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| 1 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityOK then, could you please tell me the difference between "being fine with" something and "not caring about" it? | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 05:40 PM |
| 2 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityGenitalia's help, in the early stages of life, identify with a gender Transsexuals aside, I take it. the way others will treat you your entire life Before puberty, parents aside, people treated me based on my appearance and (gendered) name. Since puberty, people have treated me based on a combination of my appearance, name and hormones. Anybody who knew me well enough to find out which genitalia I had, had already established a pattern of treating me a certain way. I imagine it could certainly b… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 05:10 PM |
| 2 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs Realityanother ridiculous strawman Oh come off it, it was a reductio ad absurdum if it was anything... who said anything about "fixing" gays Well you were saying that the body should have more authority than the brain, and as much as transsexuals are "supposed" to have the vagina or a penis they were born with, gay people are "supposed" to have straight sex in order to reproduce, and everyone's "supposed" to never use contraception as it would defy the (from the genome's point of view) point of having … | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 04:43 PM |
| 5 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityHere's where they're up to so far: Gender Dysphoria: a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months duration. As far as I know, pretty much every doctor who'd heard of it had been calling it gender dysphoria, not gender identity disorder, for quite some time, aside from those few working at nationalised places where there was a vested interest in not legitimising us due to the perceived cost. Edit: Actually, the rationale tab is much mo… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 03:07 PM |
| 4 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityIn that case, your opinion will change on May 2013, which strikes me as rather odd but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 02:38 PM |
| 1 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityBecause the body might be in perfect condition or perfectly healthy(where as the brain, in this situation, obviously isn't). Well, in this situation, technically both are healthy, just not suited to one another. Frankly I consider it barbaric that you seem to be taking the position of thinking a body has more rights than the person in it. Such thinking, if it were taken to its logical conclusion, would abhor contraception instead of rape, for instance. But... regardless, who said anything about … | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 02:30 PM |
| 3 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityI'll suppose another hypothetical situation where the true psyche of a true woman is born into a male body. I think that is the idea of how some trans gendered people feel. It is indeed, with the scientific evidence to back it up. .^ | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 02:12 PM |
| 3 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs Realityyou are pretending that people don't care about their partner being transgender You explicitly specified: hypothetically if transgenders were completely accepted and seen as normal and people had no problem sleeping with a transgender equivalently to how they would sleep with a non-transgender You told her to pretend that for the sake of argument. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 02:03 PM |
| 6 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealitySo, hypothetically if transgenders were completely accepted and seen as normal and people had no problem sleeping with a transgender equivalently to how they would sleep with a non-transgender, it's ok to NOT say that you're trans... Well, yes. I have Welsh ancestry, and as it's completely accepted and normal to have such, and no one has trouble (as far as I know) sleeping with people with such, it's OK for me to not tell people I have Welsh ancestry before having sex with them. If there's anyth… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 01:58 PM |
| 2 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityThey probably also wouldn't want the reminder that anyone would care about something so trivial. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 01:53 PM |
| 3 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityWell, you could ask something like "sorry, I just have to ask, you're not transsexed, are you? It's just I'd rather not have sex with a transsexual, and you really can't tell these days, so I'm making a point of asking every woman I sleep with now, just to be on the safe side." That should sufficiently get across that you don't think she has particularly masculine features, but rather it's an important thing for you that you only have sex with cissexed women. I can't think of a way of phrasing i… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 01:46 PM |
| 2 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityMy point was just that the proportion of transgender people could plateau at a level low enough that still makes it perfectly viable to assume someone's birth gender based on appearance. So we may not reach the point when the average person has a transgender person in their extended family, school, or work. Sadly, that may indeed be true. I'm not sure exactly how many people are gay, bisexual, pansexual or asexual (at least 1 in 10?) but there are certainly far less people who are transsexed (ve… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 01:34 PM |
| 2 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityIt looks like roughly 1 in 500 people is born transsexed. Whether you're likely to meet a transsexual depends on how popular and sociable you are. Whether you're likely to sleep with one depends on how promiscuous you are. Of course, this figure is indeed probably constant. It's just that now such people can actually take hormones and have surgery to somewhat fix their bodies. The rate of people changing sex should increase until it levels out at roughly every transsexed individual, so 1 in 500.… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 12:23 PM |
| 3 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs Realitymistakes and delusions Transsexual women don't think they have female bodies. They think they ought to have female bodies because they have female brains. And they are correct. genitals are a part of it(both in the sense that they are part of one's biology and affect the way someone experiences the world) Dare I ask how your genitalia have affected how you experience the world? I suspect you're actually referring to your gender identity and sexual hormone levels more than anything else. you prob… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 12:10 PM |
| 1 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityWhy should we, when there is a direct conflict between the psyche and one's physiology, automatically assume that the psyche is the incontestable authority to follow or even blindly take for granted that the body is what needs to be "fixed"? Because people are brains, not bodies? Why on Earth would someone want to hack away at a brain instead of the body it's in when there's a discrepancy between the two? Also, because of consent. trans theory is directly opposed to the basic principles of sexua… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 11:43 AM |
| 4 | Trans Women Disclosing - Hypotheticals vs RealityI do not believe it is possible to biologically change someone from one gender to another. You are correct (although it's certainly possible to hormonally change someone, but that's just one aspect of someone's sex). The thing is, transsexual women already have a female brain even before taking hormones, and transsexual men already have a male brain before taking hormones. It's not that these people are changing their sex so much as fixing their bodies as much as they can, albeit in a limited fa… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/11 11:25 AM |
| 1 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'You sound like a perfectly normal woman to me, with a perfectly normal female gender identity. You just don't buy into stereotypes and deviate a little from the norm, but as I say, so do I. :) And yeah, I don't get why people might imagine you'd rather be a man, but then again I also don't get why they're so surprised that I would transition in the first place given that I'm a lesbian. I think it just betrays a fundamental misunderstanding most non-LGBT people (and even a few gay people) have ov… | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 07:51 PM |
| 1 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'Yes, I agree with all that. There'd likely still be some gravitation to gender roles that correlates well with your gender identity, but it wouldn't be an exact match, which is a good reason not to force it. It sounds like we're quite similar in defying gender norms too, so yay! | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 04:55 PM |
| 1 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'If men and women have different brains with different structures, their innate psychology will tend to steer them toward different interests, different aptitudes, different strengths, different ways of approaching and accomplishing things. Only on average. You can still have the occasional woman with a fairly masculine brain and vice versa, the same way height correlates well with gender on average but not all the time. It's useful to say that women usually have different interests to men the sa… | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 04:08 PM |
| 1 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'I hear most groups that anyone can claim to be in have the same problem. :) See, for example, any given religion. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 04:03 PM |
| 1 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'Sadly, no, they receive a webbed neck and other unfortunate ailments. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 03:45 PM |
| 4 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'Gender roles are (at least mostly, it seems) arbitrary and societally instilled. Gender identity is innate. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 03:39 PM |
| 2 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'men should have the right to live as women if they choose. Transsexual women are not men. Perhaps a better example is transsexual men, so we might more aptly say: "men should have the right to live as men, even if they were originally female bodied." (This is in addition to what throwawaydirl quite rightly says about transsexualism not being a choice.) | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 03:21 PM |
| 2 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'How do you respond to assertion that sex is a genetic characteristic as opposed to be being based on hormones or morphology? That's a bit simplistic. I can name at least nine chromosomal sexes, seven of which you probably haven't heard of: there's XX, XY, XO, XXX, XXY, XXXY, XYY, XX male and XY female, at least. And these are just out of ones that have been spotted in humans. There's also (not instead) your hormonal sex, which makes more of a practical difference, changing how you think and givi… | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 03:15 PM |
| 2 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'While some people do seem to be genderless, in terms of their gender identity, most still seem to need to change their body to better match who they are. Be careful not to confuse gender identity with gender roles. Like yourself, I don't particularly think of myself as female or male. When I'm dressing up to go to the theatre, sure, I'll wear a nice dress, but usually I just wear jeans and a t-shirt with no make-up or anything. My hobbies are mostly seen as stereotypically masculine, such as pro… | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 02:45 PM |
| 1 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'The Transsexual Empire is indeed the original and worst. Don't forget its modern imitators, such as Bev Jo's (seemingly unpublished) The Pretenders. Dirt Who seems to be friends with Bev Jo, rather unsurprisingly. most of the feminists I befriend and/or know are very egalitarian It still amazes me that some aren't. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 02:28 PM |
| 1 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'We're proof that gender identity isn't socially constructed. Gender roles still probably are to a very large extent. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 02:25 PM |
| 8 | As the mod of mensrights, I openly argue for the rights of anyone 'who presently has, used to have, or desires to have a penis.'I wouldn't classify not being attracted to trans people as "transphobic". Well, are you not attracted to such a person because their features are too masculine for a woman, or too feminine for a man? That's unfortunate, but there's not much you can do about that. Or are you attracted to someone, but once you learn of their medical history you don't want to admit to yourself anymore that you're attracted to them? That points to an internalised transphobia and/or homophobia. You can't really spot … | /r/MensRights | 09/05/11 02:21 PM |
| 1 | The two black women beating up the white girl in mcdonalds has taken an interesting turn, looks like this was a possible hate crime, the victim was transgenderd .Leaving aside my insistence on making the pedantic observation that humans are a species of animal (sorry, I'm a stickler for these sorts of things), your argument is that thinking you're a cat and thinking you're the opposite sex are similar, right? As in, equally invalid? My refutation to that is that the current state of neurology seems to point towards transsexual women really having brains that lie within the expected observable range for being female, not the expected range for being male,… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/11 08:16 AM |
| 1 | The two black women beating up the white girl in mcdonalds has taken an interesting turn, looks like this was a possible hate crime, the victim was transgenderd .Because he's being bigoted. He's talking incorrectly about a minority group he knows nothing about. When confronted by members of said minority group (this goes for his other comments, not the above one), instead of learning from them, he's reasserting his own incorrect beliefs, in spite of scientific evidence to the contrary. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/11 03:19 PM |
| 1 | The two black women beating up the white girl in mcdonalds has taken an interesting turn, looks like this was a possible hate crime, the victim was transgenderd .There's a difference between "being born with the mind of another sex" and being "considered" a trans person. Bearing in mind that "transsexual" means someone whose brain's sex and body's sex are crossed (literally, crossed sex), would you mind enlightening us all as to the difference? Or do you just mean that transsexuals weren't acknowledged as such until recently? | /r/MensRights | 25/04/11 03:13 PM |
| 1 | The two black women beating up the white girl in mcdonalds has taken an interesting turn, looks like this was a possible hate crime, the victim was transgenderd .Ah, the old furry argument. ;) Due to how evolution works, you can't give birth to a member of a different species. You can, however, give birth to a girl, a boy, or someone with a gender in between. This baby's sex can also be female, male, or somewhere in between. Hopefully the two (the brain's sex and the body's sex) will match up, and usually they do, but that's not always the case. The exact causes aren't properly known yet, but it looks like there are a few genetic and hormonal reasons why… | /r/MensRights | 25/04/11 02:55 PM |
| 1 | The two black women beating up the white girl in mcdonalds has taken an interesting turn, looks like this was a possible hate crime, the victim was transgenderd .Separatism doesn't seem to breed equality to begin with, to be honest... :) | /r/MensRights | 25/04/11 02:23 PM |
| 1 | The two black women beating up the white girl in mcdonalds has taken an interesting turn, looks like this was a possible hate crime, the victim was transgenderd .this came from a gay guy i used to go to college with , many seen trans girls as gay men who just went to far I'm curious, what do such people think about transsexual lesbians, or for that matter, transsexual men? The focus on straight transsexual women is, of course, a result of the media generally depicting things from the point of view of a straight man who sees other people as being there for his own benefit. I'd kind of expect a gay man to not fall into this trap so much. I would ask the sa… | /r/MensRights | 25/04/11 12:25 PM |
| 1 | The two black women beating up the white girl in mcdonalds has taken an interesting turn, looks like this was a possible hate crime, the victim was transgenderd .As someone in the UK... I think it's more that women and men get similar bathrooms, completely ignoring that the line for the women's bathroom is always much longer so warrants a bigger room with more actual toilets in it. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/11 11:52 AM |
| 1 | What's MensRights' opinion on transsexuals using men's restrooms?Bear in mind that when you have SRS (if you even do, as it's not a particularly great operation for transsexual men, whichever specific version of it you go for) and when you update your legal sex are not going to be the exact same date, and neither are likely to match when you start to look like the right sex, at which point it becomes dangerous for you to use the bathroom you used to use. | /r/MensRights | 17/02/11 01:13 PM |
| 2 | What's MensRights' opinion on transsexuals using men's restrooms?Those are not all mutually exclusive, by the way. :) | /r/MensRights | 17/02/11 01:04 PM |
| 2 | What's MensRights' opinion on transsexuals using men's restrooms?Like this, I'd imagine. | /r/MensRights | 17/02/11 12:53 PM |
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