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I think men wayyyyy underestimate how important the ”wooing” is to women. Not as a process but as a practice within a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:36 PM
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Why would the attractive men date women less than what they can get? And, who do the attractive women then date?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:19 AM
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Yet... they complain about hypergamy AND about "beta bucks"...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:19 AM
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I'm talking about actual dyadic long term dating
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:17 AM
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That's not dating unless the people are into polyamory.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:01 AM
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Yes, this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 11:04 PM
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That's called fucking though if we want a short one word.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 10:28 PM
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But how would women be able to date up if all women do that there are no men left for the attractive women to date up?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 10:02 PM
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Right but that doesn't make them able to date attractive men no? I mean, Tinder or whatever is used by men for hookups, and since men swipe on all women it gives women incentive to be even more selective, because no woman wants a man who would have taken just whatever. And as said, it's a certain type of women that use Tinder, and it's not for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:42 PM
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That's not dating though. "From my experience, on average, women have many more options than men and it’s easier for them to date and to date up compared to men." But how is that statistically possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:12 PM
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Well honestly, I don't only see people date their looksmatch in terms of attractiveness, but many couples look like they could be vaguely related.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:05 PM
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I guess, but the study said that some women rated some men as very attractive whereas other women didn’t find him attractive at all. This was rarer for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:48 PM
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This study showed there was less consensus among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:31 PM
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Yep, agree. Many men fail because they try to attract all sorts of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:46 PM
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I read a study: Previously, the researchers had judged each of the photos for various factors of attractiveness, including how seductive, confident, thin, sensitive, stylish, curvaceous (women), muscular (men), traditional, masculine/feminine, classy, well-groomed, or upbeat the person in the image looked. Thin and seductive, that's what men find attractive in women. But the ladies are less in agreement over what makes for a hot guy, new research finds.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:37 PM
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Both of these women are severely obese. And no, according to studies on attractiveness slimness is one of the most important things in how attractive a man finds a woman, ideal BMI is around 19 or so (drops clearly below 17, but gradually after 19), and even in african communities more important than WHR. Slimness is a more predictable fertility indicator. (Slim low whr > slim high whr > average low whr > average high whr > fat low whr > fat high whr) This is the same as saying a chubby man depo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:33 PM
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1) I don’t know, as we grow older we consider a larger age span as belonging to ”our age group”. If I date a man that is 27 i consider him to be in my age. 2) Women are made to go for respurces especially when those are scarce, aka older I guess. 3) That’s why some men become more attractive in their late 20s compared to earlier, but aging is not neccesarily the same tbh because a young but fully grown man might lack neoteny but he still doesn’t show signs of aging. Aging is wrinkles, grey hair …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:53 PM
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A 24 year old woman will view 33 year olds differently than someone 27 or 28
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:28 PM
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Dating 25-30 and being 33 is different
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:15 PM
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Funny thing seems like all my friends are the exception then ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:06 PM
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So, me as a 24 year old COULD imagine 35. In a very worst case scenario. Preferably 30 is my upper limit. And 27 is better than 24. That women will date a few years older is one thing, but that has to do with emotional maturity, commitment mindedness etc. We prefer not to though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:06 PM
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Then don’t tell women here on low n count, but the women you deal with?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:02 AM
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I remember online when men in my country complain so much about inexeperienced women. One wanted to dump a girl after getting to know she was virgin. I only complain if the guy thinks differently of himself and the virtue is chastity ie whether he has turned down or rejects sex. Incel virginity isn’t worth anything. As a low N count woman it has never been a good thing to feel like you would be chosen because of those factors, because it feels like they like you as a person less if they put valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:59 AM
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Women seem to understand this more than men so
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:57 AM
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Nope, In countries with higher equality age gaps in relationships are smaller. I mean that’s what I think too. I’ll have a job myself and can live well on not much money where I live. Zero incentive to even care about his education or income, more allowance to care for attraction and love and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:56 AM
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Both, modern men apparently value resources in a woman more than did men before. But more the latter. We can see that in Scandinavia for example where age gap relationships become really rare. When a woman provides for herself why chose someone older with money? And women in their 30s who just want to have sex go for men in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:52 AM
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No we are not /24 year old
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:51 AM
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And sperm quality? Literally even young men nowadays have shit sperm quakity, half of couples at 30+ struggling to conceive do so because of the guy etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:50 AM
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Worse sperm quality
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:49 AM
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Yes! Women have higher sexual disgust than do men, and show the highest disgust in the area for sexual promiscuity. This idea that “but it’s different for men” is bullshit. It might give men status among other men, but that can’t be confused with what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:38 AM
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Women have higher sexual disgust than do men, the sexual disgust is the strongest in regards to promisciousity. So the problem is not men disliking it in women but thinking they are exempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:36 AM
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I am bothered because men think they are excluded from it or sometimes feel entitled to someone with low N count or shit their pants when women say they will not date someone who watches porn. I say this as a low N count woman who will not touch a man with a high one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:35 AM
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No. Women have even higher levels of disgust towards the opposite gender in terms of sexual promisciousity(but are maybe slightly more willing to not prioritise or care) so where is the blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:32 AM
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I guess but even then a 25 year old woman in the workforce will go for the 28 year old guy in the workforce. It happens, but most women seem to prefer a smaller age gap, like a few years older that’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 05:26 AM
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Well, a 20 year old woman might go to 24 or 27, but I just rarely see those prominent age differences. I know one woman at my age (24) who is with a man in his mid 30s or even bordering on late 30s and tbh she was simply obsessed about social climbing. Else I don’t really know women my age who are interested in 30+ guys. 30 is an ok upper limit, but that’s my point. Women want slightly older men, but in the context of an adult, it is someone of the same age if I born 98 date someone 95.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:46 AM
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Older is way different if you mean like 3 years or 10. And I’m sorry but no. Old men do not getter better. Men become more fit to be father’s and providers but objectively look worse. Most women in their 20s want men in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 01:08 AM
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Most women look bad at 40 or 50. But I just don’t see that tbh. The bone structure, the facial fat, the lack of sun. Scandinavian women in the US however age TERRIBLY.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 11:26 PM
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Europe is a large continent. I live in scandinavia and frankly I see a clear difference with americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 11:18 PM
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Ok. Significantly younger. No it isn’t. Older age signals bad sperm but good provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:44 PM
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I mean, many men in their 30s would not date younger women because young women albeit attractive might be more emotionally immature. Men do get worse with age in looks, but women will look past that and are attracted to the personaloty of men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:19 PM
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Because that’s the point of SMV this and that, the dating pool. How many people are attracted to you. To a 20 year old it doesn’t matter nor does it to older men because those young women will already be out of the dating pool and dating equal age men. 30 in what sense? 38 or 32? Where I live they rarely date young women. In part because the women don’t want to, in part probably because of non looks based factors, in part because it is looked down upon and is seen as trashy, it is also low statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:17 PM
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Obviously melanin protects from sun damage. But what you are missing is that this damage is relative to the amount of sun the skin is actually being exposed to. In a place with not much or strong sun, skin with melanin will maybe even fare worse because of vitamin D deficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:14 PM
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What does that have to do with the wall?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:05 PM
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No because if the sun is so mild that it doesn’t really age the skin. UV index 0. Heck it’s to low to produce any vitamin D between october and april. The melaninated skin makes it even harder and gives non white people here health problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:04 PM
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But that’s exactly my point? Sun damage depends on the sun. If you live closer to the poles you don’t have sun that damages. If anything, they have to little sun to properly develop vitamin D and have a lot of health issues due to to little sun.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 08:10 PM
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In terms of attractiveness? Oh you do. In terms of People wanting relationships? Nah, though young women don’t want to be with older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:55 PM
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Men already have the wall as the baseline I would argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:53 PM
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I think declining looks is an american thing because you have white women living in a very southern latitude and eating shitty food. The rest of us live at a latitude our skin is developed for and do not wrinkle like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:45 PM
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Where I live I just don’t see men wanting to date young women, they are to ”emotionally immature”. And to a 20 year old woman it means jackshit that a 50 year old could be her dad guy finds her hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:44 PM
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Yeah, and I think this made for example my friends get an overly negative view of for example my ex. You mention the negatives because you want support or advice - not to badmouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:42 PM
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Men want to bang as many as possible but invest resources in the best they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:40 PM
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Women have higher sexual disgust than men and especially high in regards to promisciousity because it’s the highest risk for female reproduction
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 10:41 PM
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I do? And couples are of women of all heights 🤷‍♀️ as said, this very slight tall preference men have according to studies does not translate into practice because those studies show that its essentially when she gets really short like 4’11 or taller than them where height matters, else they don’t seem to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 10:01 PM
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Yeah ahaha which is a bit funny bevause men speak of the wall here - yet i think women are more picky ablut looks than men to experience attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:10 PM
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Right, but according to PPD relarionships is about looks and respurces 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:09 PM
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Yeah I can realise this too. I’m 24 and 29 and 20 is such a huge difference. I think for our age groups age gap relationships are harder because of the milennial-zoomer divide. This is why my ex (26 will be 27) said that while an age gap is fine in theory, this makes him prefer someone older over younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:06 PM
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And the man is maybe boring to her and gets old, younger men then become appealing. In those few age gap relarionships I’ve seen, especially ending in divorce usually end up with the woman marrying someone in close age.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:04 PM
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I read that the best predictir for a lasting marriage is getting married between 25-32.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:27 AM
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Tbh men sleeping arpund seem to be ALL abojt validation
/r/seduction13/07/22 12:23 AM
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Ok sure but in a less consumerist way I guess. Company, connection, personality blabla over money and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:21 AM
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Oh lol, I took these statistics from another post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:06 AM
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My ex said this, he would prefer someone a bit older over clearly younger because of the milennial-zoomer difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:58 PM
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I think this might be a factor. In age gap relationships it seems to be much more looks-money and that will not be enough after a certain while because for a marriage to last there are other factors that matter morez
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:36 PM
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”Same way men love super large breasts” But they don’t on average
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:57 PM
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No and that’s not toxic masculinity? Toxic masculinity is abusiveness, which to me isn’t masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:00 PM
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Whatttttt? Most women think that they are ugly but try to tell themselves they aren’t because admitting uglyness is the ultimate defeat for a woman. Women are extremely extremely extremely insecure about their looks and I wonder in what world you live in?????
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:55 PM
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Yes haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 12:21 PM
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So every fifth man is an ”alpha male”? Oh lol. If I go on this incel wiki bullshit my ex was a ”Chad”, only had two 6s though, not that much money. He was not at all interested in casual relationships, extremely monogamously minded. Also very picky with women, I guess that’s the difference. He wanted ”emotional connection”. Yes more attractive men have the option to dumpster dive, but there is nothing saying that that’s inherently what someone wants. This alpha male stuff to me is more medium me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:23 AM
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My issue is not that, my issue is you thinking that nobody should have an issue with promiscious men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 05:29 AM
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What are you talking about? But yeah ”nobody” might go to McDonalds even if McDonalds is full of customers. A person with values and who doesn’t see themselves as absolute trash don’t want a manwhore. Women who have casual sex like that obviously aren’t measuring up men to the same standard as do women that want a commited relationships nor do they care about the same things. Some study on PPD here showed that promisciousuty in men is judged harder, and that both men and women prefer non promisc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:49 AM
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Some charge 180? So you go to prostitutes? No, I agree. Thing is, it’s no different for men in the sense that treating sex as nothing special. There is a difference here. Many men that are virgins are so because of other non desireable traits, chastity is a moral virtue implying a choice. I promise you, no woman wants a manwhore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:37 AM
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I wouldn't be in a LTR with a man who sees humans as a living masturbation tool. I don't care if it's a master key, it's a shitty key if it compulsively feels the need to open all the locks just because. Ideally there should be one key that works on only one lock. Giving commitment is a prerequisite for a relationship, as is sex I guess. None of that is some sort of "price". It's not a value or virtue to give a woman commitment, because else it wouldn't be a relationship? And we are talking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:16 AM
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Small age gap lowers the risk of divorce too
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:33 AM
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Yeah I don’t get this. He is free to be a hypocrite but truly, why would a chaste woman want to be with a manwhore?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:02 AM
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”I will treat her/our sex as nothing special”. I agree with your point but. You seem to imply you sleep around. Why should a woman then consider sex with you as anything special?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:58 AM
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The goal and aim is sexist so?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:50 AM
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Both for men and women it tends to be someone uglier
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:50 AM
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Yeah ahaha, and personality as well in this context.
/r/seduction11/07/22 02:56 PM
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Or the first cathegory of women know that they are lower ”market value” and act accordingly.
/r/seduction11/07/22 12:16 PM
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No, hypersexuality as a clinical disorder is different from general aggressive sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 11:22 AM
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Yeah I do, and I want traditional gender roles. I don’t operate well under modern equal roles. But some people are different.
/r/ExRedPill10/07/22 09:57 PM
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I didn’t know you meant clinical hypersexuality. I just meant that aggressive sexuality and even very overt sexual behaviour tends to be more masculine, and chastity and mellow behaviour more feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:56 PM
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I don’t get it, what’s so bad about having masculine traits? I can be very very pragmatic, that’s a masculine trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:00 PM
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Adhd is more common in men and associated with for example lower digit ratio. It’s a masculine bejaviour, you are a woman therefore feminine but it’s still masculine…?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:02 PM
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Hmmmmmm. No. The men I’ve been with/am with (two) have been a bit to autistic for that. Especially my first boyfriend would have been super happy cuddling and watching a movie. I am a bit of a planner. In the current idk. I really appreciate though and see it as a sign that they care so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:35 PM
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I think this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:33 PM
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No but insecurity is not masculine. Or maybe it is in actuality but is not associated with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:22 PM
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One group of tactics called benefit-provisioning are low-risk approaches that emphasize the positive aspects of the relationship. Examples of these tactics include showing affection (e.g., giving gifts, complimenting the person’s appearance) and providing various types of support (e.g., financial support; love and care during illness). The second group of tactics, called cost-inflicting, are high-risk behaviors that make it costly for a partner to leave the relationship. These behaviors include …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:21 PM
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It’s in part biological though. I mean of course it’s still feminine because you are a woman, but it’s still a masculine behaviour. It’s not neccesarily a negative thing, but aggressive about sexuality is a more masculine behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:18 PM
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This so much. And they want to pursue so so so so so fast!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:10 PM
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Yeah men just want a woman, they don’t want you… Felt like this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:09 PM
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Hahahah Yeah this. They often don’t seem to care who you are as a person, how you function, what you need and want and wish in life. Feeling like some sort of pet sometimes ngl.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:08 PM
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The insecurity whether a man has sincere intentions, and it’s impossible to know because men will do anything to give a nice impression. Men being very nice to you irl and then seeing people write the cruelest things online. Was it all fake? Men being so sweet and kind until you get attached to them and then their personality changes and there are signs of slight abuse. This is hard. Most men lie a lot too in my experience. Often because men are terrified at the idea of a relationship ending. Kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:07 PM
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Hyper masculine and hyper insecure just doesn’t mesh. Insecurity is not masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:51 PM
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No??? Responsibility towards others is a masculine virtue…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:44 PM
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Absolutely not. Responsibility is a masculine virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:42 PM
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I’m german and 24. Or eh I live in Scandinavia but alas.
/r/ExRedPill10/07/22 03:53 PM
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Why? It’s men talking about how to ”use” women, that our value is only in our looks, it makes it impossible to trust men having sincere intentions. I idealised men before. Now I don’t. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/vv3any/this_sub_is_toxic_for_women_as_well_as_men/ifhm42c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:20 PM
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Just woke up. Google?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:19 PM
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Why did you make auch a long post about your femininity lol? You have nothing to prove here, my point is that aggressive sexual behaviour is masculine even if it is about a woman. But yeah it’s common for women to not be beloveable as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:18 PM
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It was the result of What I read men write from TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:43 AM
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In the US maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:10 AM
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No. Sorry to dissapoint you but if that’s what you expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:17 PM
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As the price? What do ypu talk about with any chick? Well obviously not!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:17 PM
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No? Where on earth do you have that statistic from?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:16 PM
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Any loser can be husband material? What are you talking about? You really think women marry any guy with a grin and a wallet?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:09 PM
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Honestly this. Comfort and safety is really important for my arousal 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:07 PM
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I have never had casual relationships nor do I want to but that’s my mentality as well (i.e. if he isn’t hot enough) so idk what they talk about that relationship would mean that they are less hot 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:05 PM
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I don’t think that’s the case
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:55 PM
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What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:55 PM
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Women are the ones that chose the partner 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:41 PM
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I wouldn’t say there is an aggressive sense of femininity. Just because a woman is aggressive about her sexuality doesn’t mean that it’s feminine because she is a woman. Else I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:44 PM
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In terms of big 5? Moderate agreeableness, moderate introversion-extraversion, conscientious, I guess moderate openness, and moderate neuroticism. Confident but not cocky- knows how to lead and be assertive but doesn’t do it to prove himself, optimistic but realistic, a good listener, good at consoling, can take leadership decisions, stoic but still can show his emotional side. I value intelligence super much and being able to connect intellectually, so that’s important. Not some sort of knowita…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:43 PM
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24,2
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 06:04 PM
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There is a difference though in showing interest or talking about it and so on and actually doing it 🤷‍♀️ Obviously there needs to be chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:56 PM
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It has to do with that 1) women don’t consider a man to be serious or that he has feelings for her unless he Waits, she wants to make sure he isnt just using her 2) people can change their minds
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:46 PM
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Never had troubles finding men for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:29 PM
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Lol so you want a LTR only for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:08 PM
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Yep, and that first after they said they wanted to marry me or like, saw that as the future they envisioned. (However, I know people who have and I think people should be allowed to change their mind. My sister where I do not know the details but she has a BC of like 5 or so, and had one casual iirc where she was ghosted- the guy wasn’t even attractive, thinks that society tricked women into sleeping with men to quickly or easily for example. She is entitled to change her mind.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:05 PM
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I don’t consider a relationship serious if a man wants to have sex immediately, it shows he only wants to use me (since men have sex with about anyone) and doesn’t have serious intentions. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:26 PM
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Women chose the man, it’s we women who have to worry about that men who are notoriously known to take whatever comes across them, to be worried about that he would have chosen someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:24 PM
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It was never a game for me either. I got infatuated, dated the person, fell in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:22 PM
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Yes. I was at first idealistic about men. Me and my ex broke up because his mentally ill mother tried to sabotage our relationship because she thought he didn’t have serious intentions with me i.e. she thought he was with me for looks. After 7 years eh. He was more sad than I. I end up on TRP and convince myself that it was because my SMV was to low, I wasn’t attractive enough, so he didn’t fight enough for it, and people will only ever care about me and I’ll only ever be valued for my appereanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:20 PM
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I’ve never participated in hookup culture. However I can answer this anyway because of relationships not working out I guess. For husband material the person is attractive, good personality, good goals, we ”connect”. He makes me feel protected and safe (That’s also partly based on looks ngl). Goals I don’t care about in the sense of ambition, more goals regarding the relarionship. I do want him to have a job of course but idc about money beyond that. Oh and he is intelligent. I reject men that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:14 PM
13

Many men want LTR over STR 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:07 PM
0

Studies show that less attractive men tend to use more ”cost inflicting mate retention” instead of ”benefit provisioning mate retention” which is associated with more attractive men. Women also perceive men that use cost inflicting late retention to be less high value. Cost inflicting is more red pill strategy. I think some of this is cultural though, meaning what men chose or do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:05 PM
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I guess younger people, not a 50 year old dating a 15 year old. But in the US it’s more taboo to have a 15-19 relationship than 25-40 and that’s weird to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:03 PM
1

Wait, what is wrong with the thread? Age of consent? Thing is, in my country it is 15 and it’s between 14-16 in pretty much all of Europe. Didn’t think it was that controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:53 PM
1

But they don’t? I mean 18 year old women date 20 year old men for sure. (That’s a weird part about american culture. 17 years and 364 days? Ugh anyone dating you is a pedophile! One day older? Go make an Onlyfans kween!) And at 14 or so, most people don’t date.I don’t consider 18 or so ”older men”. They are just older than minor women. But ok, 15 and 17?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:46 PM
2

Well, people will date anyway just someone their equal age. 26! They got together in highschool though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:43 PM
0

The taboos in the US are not regarding 45 and 25 (that’s a social taboo here) but 15 and 18 or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:42 PM
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I’m a woman myself. And for that, no it’s not that rare. Average guys have relationships here precisely because they can get extra status points from their age by dating someone younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:41 PM
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Because of his money and age. Old men are not sexually arousing due to any looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:40 PM
1

Well, muricans. It’s not controversial in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:39 PM
0

”Western man,date minors!”. Ok, ”the west” is as much Europe as it is the US, I would say Europe more so than the US. I’m from Scandinavia… age of consent in Europe is usually 14 or 15, and some countries have 16. Turkey has 18 afaik, but the rest doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:36 PM
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Nothing wrong, but this contributes to male singlehood. 18 year old women will either date 20 year old men, or the popular 18 year old ones. This leavrs the other men single I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:36 PM
1

Why a show?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:21 PM
0

Well, yeah? It’s not normal apparently for a 18 year old to date 15-16 year old women in the US. Non dramatic here. Almost all men I know had their relationships that way, fairly rare for younger men to couple up with equal age women. That was only THE most popular that could.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:16 PM
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Not where I live, well other than for STR. Older men I guess not unlike older women might stop prioritising attraction and go for other things, idk. Depends on which men, but obviously younger men don’t go for older women lol? Point being, for a woman at 30 the issue isn’t her desireability only but that men at her age that are still single are usually the bottom. Top men here tend to have coupled up early with top women 🤷‍♀️
/r/ExRedPill09/07/22 03:14 PM
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The ”top men” aren’t even ”on the market” for them anymore, they are not going for younger women. They are with a woman of equal age that they got together with when they were young.
/r/ExRedPill09/07/22 02:47 PM
1

Women can 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:46 PM
5

Yeah this. It just for me furthers the incentive to date men with options even if I find the other man attractive and with good personality 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:42 PM
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Then these men make fun of women when they want to feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:41 PM
2

That’s not comparable because with makeup you know she doesn’t have butterflies as eyelashes, golden eyelids, deep red lips. Men can wear makeup if they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:59 PM
2

I think all men have alterior motives, even when they probably haven’t. It’s worse treatment what you are describing. You aren’t even seen as human anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:57 PM
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Women use the LTR strategy as their main one, even men have that as their primary one. It tends to mean that men court women more and are more romantic and more marriages, family and children. It would be the opposite which favours ”AFBB”, which is only a name of two opposing forces, not an actual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:56 PM
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Hypergamy doesn’t exist as most women end up with a ”match”. It also means looking for the most commited man… insofar as it exists it means that men can really feel like they are chosen. Many women feel like this in relationships. They really chose the man, to the man she could have been whatever.
/r/ExRedPill09/07/22 01:52 PM
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Do that if you hate your wife and children and want to make your new girlfriend feel like she is replaceable and you only picked her for her youth (this is why I try to avoid older men) and don’t know what love is. The larger the age gap the more likely it ends in divorce, and this holds true even comparing five years with zero so you do you. Just buy an escort instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:40 PM
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Female leverage in dating leads to commited relationships. Male one to hookups. According to a study too. It’s good that women have the upper hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:34 PM
1

1) Stay with your gf and do nothing with that other woman 2) Break up with your gf and do something with the other woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:38 AM
1

Never date men if they have this mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:37 AM
0

Fucking idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:36 AM
2

Same. This is all such a “blackpill” on the male gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:34 AM
2

This sub and “the red pill” made me more misandrist. Almost idealised men before.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:33 AM
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Younger women (I guess I count as younger still lol) might have higher SMV but tbh a lot of men do prioritise other things as well making them go for women their age…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:32 AM
1

Better treatment “because they are sex objects”. How is that better treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:15 AM
3

I never understood how men are so stupid and can’t imagine what a woman looks like without. And we as women are apprently the native gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:14 AM
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Uhm, then you aren’t compatible as partners. Both should want a long term (i.e. meaning to last for the future) commited relationship and physical intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:12 AM
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Ok, some promiscious dumpster dive woman proved me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:13 AM
1

Well do you think women were in those harems of free will?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:13 AM
1

Men haven’t gone away for me but whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:12 AM
1

Oh I am but this idea that women in their 20s show signs of aging is absurd to me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:12 AM
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Where it starts? With what signs? Maybe for american women who get way to much sun for their etnicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:14 AM
1

Figuratively speaking. Sooner then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:55 AM
0

Right but feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:55 AM
1

Well not immediately but before the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:10 AM
2

Why do men seemingly ”catch feelings” immediately? As a woman I can experience attraction immediately, but feelings take time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:25 AM
3

This whole ”provide” bullshit. Most men don’t have any providing to come with. Women work 50-50, and in addition take the toll on their bodies and take care of children. If men ACTUALLY did that, well then you might have gotten married at 20 and she would be in love in addition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:43 PM
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Up until the 1960s or so that was the meaning of commitment. Had sex once? Well, people had to get married. Men wanting relationships and calling that commitment is just wanting to have access to sex and cuddles for a prolonged time, it doesn’t mean they have serious intentions. That doesn’t give commitment in a way women want it, it’s the way men want it. Still ”gatekeepers of commitment”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:35 PM
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Nope. Commitment means continuous commitment including promise about a future in which children can be raised. Look at it from an evolutionary perspective. Something akin to marriage. The rest is not much. It’s just essentially fwb. My mum calls adults who just have relationships for fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:29 PM
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Most women don’t. She doesn’t feel like this guy really chose her so of course she doesn’t feel as much ”desire”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:28 PM
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Ok cool, but women are not to value it you mean? Especially without asking for commitment? That happens when ”Chad” dumpsterdives. Else not at all. Why would she feel special if it shows that he didn’t chose her? He married her because that’s the best he could get and meanwhile jacks off to porn. Not a recipe for any ”sexual excitement” on the female side. This whole idea that women are soooo turned on by hot men because of their sheer looks in the same way men who see the female body as an obje…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 06:59 PM
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Women than men? In places where That’s the case there is a lot of casual dating, not commitment etc, no families and marriage. More men than women? Romance, marriage, families. Lack of casual dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 06:51 PM
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You need money to raise children simple as that. Even in the stone age it was the richest men that had the harems not the most handsome. Where I live men don’t provide anyway lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:44 PM
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”Who could fuck her in her sexual prime” ”No men here value women only for sex” Chose one. The man she marries gets the children, and you care about ”fucking her in her prime”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:42 PM
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”She wants you to pay for her kids”. Eh it’s your kids as well? What sort of weird logic is this! Yes, women want resources insofar that that was the prerequisite for children to survive. Men want to ensure paternity, however… since investment in children has been far superior in terms of reproductive strategy, men have that as their primary one. For both men and women that has been the most important way for children to survive and thus we are hardwired to pursue those types of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:38 PM
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Relationship is not commitment. Marriage and ”I’ll build a future with you so we can have children and raise them” is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:34 PM
1

What counts as eastern societies?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:32 PM
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This only warps perception of attractiveness of women according to a study, i.e. women are seen as uglier than they are relative to the population. For men it didn’t have that effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:27 PM
1

That’s not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:09 AM
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I see it as giving sex to someone. Precisely because it’s something that is done only with ”the chosen”. Aka in relationships only, no casual. Especially if you look at it in an evolutionary context, you sort of ”give” your body to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:05 AM
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Makeup and angles? What are you talking about? Most divorces are initiated by women and are more common the older the man is relative to the woman. What are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:01 AM
1

Yes!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:00 AM
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Men aren’t polygamous. Men are only slightly more polygamous than women, and still have LTR as the major mating strategy. And women have definitely that as major mating strategy, that’s why ”Chad” has to dumpster dive. But yeah, this is the hypocrisy about RP. Women sluts bad. Women hypergamy bad. Female chastity and female adversity to promisciousity (generally women slutshame more) is strongly associated with hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:56 AM
1

Yeah and men don’t like women that are slim I’ told etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 10:35 PM
1

Of course it helps
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 07:08 PM
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Yeah men looooove hearing praise. Love.
/r/ExRedPill07/07/22 03:39 PM
1

I actually find this bejaviour a bit, like peacocks on a zoo. However. Many women don’t think that at all, and instead say that you should emphasise slimness, not emphasise breasts and figure and such BECAUSE what men find attractive and different male preferences correlates with whether they are STR or LTR minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:01 PM
1

No I mean, logically speaking. Obviously it still panics me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:48 PM
0

Yeah, I’m however not interested in 40 year old men looking for sugar babies. In fact, I think the wall will be a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:39 AM
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Its not halo effect. It’s that less desireable men are bitter and thus hate women. Making themselves less desireable. But it’s not halo effect. Studies do show that they listen more attentively, are nicer, spend more money as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 10:50 AM
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No, but Madonna-whore or male dual mating strategy isn’t really about looks. If anything ”beta female” is likely maybe higher in looks, or at least has traits that signal ”long time fertility” (slim body, pretty face).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:40 AM
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They do. Statistic shows that the men women fine ideal for STR and LTR are practically identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:35 AM
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Perceive as promiscious based on looks then. Whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:09 AM
1

Oh, now you throw rp-rhetoric out of the window?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:37 AM
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"I think 30 is a good age where it's undeniable a woman used to be hotter (assuming she hasn't had massive weight loss etc). You compare that 30 year old to the 24 yo and you go, oh, the 24 year old was hotter." I would say, at 30 the aging process starts. The only thing that happens at or before 30 is eventually drier skin and maybe maybe some fine lines if she didn't use sunscreen. I live in Europe though, in the US there is essentially to much sun for the skin of white people and people seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:36 AM
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no, that shows she cant get commitment from "handsome" guys
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 11:55 PM
1

Why would she have casual sex then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 11:37 PM
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Oh, no they aren't really. It's the incels that do. If you have to worry about your man traveling to asia, well then you should worry about your own value. I don't find scandinavian men attractive though lol so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 11:31 PM
1

Yeah ok I guess TRP teaches men how to dumpster dive :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 11:30 PM
1

Here is the thing. I see older men dating older but less ”attractive” women instead of younger and ”fresher” women where I live. Men value looks yes, but this is some male cope that a man will be able to get some hot young woman when they are older. Right, their beta traits increase per age. They are valued for their providing traits (I’d argue alpha looks traits are providing too… strong body means better hunter and can get more resources from other men and protect her and the own reasources).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 11:14 PM
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It tells more about you as a man than it does about female nature what you learn from that. Yeah well, to bad for you women are now finding out your ”strategies” and Will become even more picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:59 PM
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In my experience it’s the handsome men that are the nicest, see women more as people, don’t hate on women’s bodies etc etc. It does seem like it’s a revenge fantasy men loser men have though, as a way to get power.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:58 PM
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See, not our attractiveness, our value. No, but old men aren’t either. Yes, being a beta which people here despise. However I don’t know. Where I live (Scandinavia) men don’t offer as much. Providing doesn’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:56 PM
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Just do nothing and say calmly that that was not the intention?
/r/ExRedPill06/07/22 10:38 PM
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Our value is directed to youth. Hah. You just proved me right. Sure, however. I’m questioning this narrative. People over a certain age interested in dating is way more men than women. In practice, men over a certain age tend to date women in their age range (or a bit younger). SMV might be the highest at a young age, but not RMV to these men. Yeah so why scare women into that their men won’t find them desireable when they hit the terrible age of 30? Yeah so? We know that already lol RP doesn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:29 PM
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I’m not doing it. Only hypergamy, which makes sense and is a good thing. Avoid crap men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:24 PM
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Not really. This whole idea that women aren't aware is stupid because we will use anti wrinkle hand cream already at 15. There is no rocket science to the fact that beauty fades with age. It made me wonder however what the point is to be with a man at all if you apparently becomes so undesireable as soon as you turn 30 that your man doesn't want you. Funnily enough I know guys my age who will google up a certain woman the age of my mum at cornhub but whatever. So my theory is that a lot of this …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:17 PM
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No, I was idealistic about men and looked up to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:12 PM
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Hypergamy? Hostility towards men? Well, not really. I was picky before but I was naive about men in my first relationship and saw you as human and almost a bit idealised men. But now, yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:11 PM
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It does lol. It just proves why women should be chosy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:10 PM
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All this talk about the wall this and that made me less interested in most men. TRP made me more hostile towards men and if anything, even more hypergamous (or rather, picky)...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 09:46 PM
5

Arousal non accordance is a thing too. 20% overlap between physical reaction of vagina and mental feeling of arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 07:39 PM
3

Yes this! It has to do with how the woman feels not how the man is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 07:38 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 07:37 PM
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There is ”provide” and there is ”provide”. It is totally reasonable for a woman to want a man where they can afford raising a child? It’s like being upset if men don’t want infertile women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 07:00 PM
1

A woman posted a photo on men wanting beauty long term and hotness short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 06:56 PM
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No but often they are, not very intellectually stimulating and for me intelligence is a top sign of HVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:35 PM
5

Yes often I see those men as kind of… dumb?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:35 PM
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Hahahah nr 6 though, that is a lot about male status among other men because if to big it will easier hurt for the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:34 PM
1

Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:58 PM
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I read that study as well. Men die more often ”of heartache” than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:52 PM
1

Wdym?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:49 PM
1

Eh I tried to give information which could be relevant for rating
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:05 AM
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Yeah but even if it’s good for the man he doesn’t seem to enjoy it AS MUCH. Like male orgasms they seem underwhelming. Good sex for women is ”stars in the eyes and feels like fainting”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 03:49 AM
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Sure but that’s not representative of all woman. A guy goes dumpster diving and draws conclusions of all women. Not at all though, because that’s essentially the same as pursuing. Pursuing means the man has to chase me and put in work, and I should put up quite some standards for this. What you are describing is the woman pusuing the man still, and very blatantly so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 03:33 AM
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I will not be offended (I learned that guys simply don’t do it to offend but often don’t understand what will be taken badly or not), and it’s not the attention itself that is wrong but it gives the sign that the man is not interested in something other than sex. That’s the issue. I would do that with any guy and this idea that ”if he is hot she will throw himself over him”. Well, maybe if he is dumpster diving.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:26 AM
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I don’t go to clubs, I feel like that’s essentially human zoos. I would be somewhat offended but also not offended because what is ”creepy” is sometimes ehhh male nature. Pretending to be a prude I still don’t get what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:15 AM
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Ok the first I can get, the second maybe though with a partner you should be comfortable about all your sides tbh… but I think it’s offensive to the partner to ”love but not be attracted to”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:13 AM
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I know some women do, but PPD tries to draw conclusions from all women based on a subset of few. I take offense that you seem to insinuate that I’m lying. For me, I kind of see it as humiliating or pathethic to have to pursue a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:12 AM
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What is a shit test? If he didn’t pass my looks threshold I would politely decline him and likely still be nice given that I like him. Would do the same if he passed my looks threshold but not my personality threshold. That happens more often in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:10 AM
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Timidity? Virtue? The three first, maybe yeah? Idk. As for the last: I’m not pretending to be a prude, I am one and am that with men I feel attraction to and are interested in as well. I might joke and such about it. But no, I will act the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:09 AM
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Yes I am white. Also, my preference is strongly to central-south-east Europe. Scandinavian looking doesn’t cut it for me. Not does typical british or so. I don’t feel like men in Scandinavia where I live even look good. Basically, he should look like he could fit into my family in terms of phenotype. That ranges from central european looking to sicilian with peak for jugoslav looking. It’s not self hating, the opposite, he needs to look like me 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:04 AM
1

Was she scandinavian 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 02:01 AM
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I have body dysmorphia so I can’t. I also will pick apart my body and can’t see it holistically. There are also individual preferences. I’m I guess 5’4-5’5, slim, ”trim hourglass” (I have a good WHR at 0.65 but my hips are medium I just have a small waist”) and largeish boobs but not huge. I think my butt isn’t good enough but it’s I guess proportional to my body. If someone is into an extreme hourglass juicy look I’m not for them. Face is… kind of ”harmonious” in the sense that no feature reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:58 AM
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I think it becomes subjektive to much. All I agree with is to put it in cathegories of ”attractive” ”medium” and ”unattractive” but I don’t think all 9 look better than all 7 etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:49 AM
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Height is a positive trait in terms of reproductive fitness BUT… 70% of a mans looks come from muscle, then comes face height etc. Really guys seem to think height is all. I reject taller guys with bad face and body over shorter guys with good face and body.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:47 AM
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Ehh apparently being the equivalent of a D instead of DD (actually larger cup and smaller band which means same volume but narrower and poutier breasts) on a narrow frame 116 lbs woman is already enough of a flaw to think of ”improvement” so it depends on standards as well or how much you nitpick someone elses appereance. For someone like me with BDD everything can be a flaw as well so…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:45 AM
0

This is like the truerateme system. It’s normal distributed. The 7 are the very top of the real world, the 8 and 9 (no 10) are essentially Hollywood stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:43 AM
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I talked about this before ahaha how I feel like while looks is no matter because both my ex and my current boyfriend are exactly my type, I sort of want both of the good sides of their bejaviour/personality which probably doesn’t exist: not in the sense that I won’t get it but just that it can’t even exist in both people. First one was very kind, understanding, would put so much time to listen to my problems and console. Second is so willing to do things for me, try to solve problems, spends a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:40 AM
1

All women think their man or ex or whatever is an alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:35 AM
1

Idk, I know men that think like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:18 AM
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I think the best ones have a small age gap because it’s usually based on that you like each pgher as people, less ”resources <-> sex/looks” transaction. When you get older or something happens that is what matters. I tend to prefer guys that are a tad bit older but only like 3 years maybe. I could do with someone older… like in their 30s is fine but maybe not perfect. Looks wise younger guys are fine but I wouldn’t date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:18 AM
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His body is disgusting. His face is, if I look past that I’m only attracted to white guys, good looking. But not my taste either. Can’t rate because his body makes him a 2/10 immediately, but looking past that well he looks attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:13 AM
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When I want a guy I still wait for him to pursue me 🤷‍♀️ Men are the pursuer, the predator that catches a prey 🤷‍♀️ The lamb doesn’t chase the wolf…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:12 AM
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Why is there sexual pressure and holding back in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 01:11 AM
0

Women aren’t stupid. Even if I physically desire someone I won’t give myself away. We can think logically yk…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:59 AM
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Wetness not per se, women have pretty strong arousal non accordance (only 20% accordance). If she isn’t relaxed she might get less wet. Some women get more wet during phone sex for example compred to real sex with that person… The other things I agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:58 AM
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This is for men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:56 AM
2

Yeah I don’t get it; why be in a relationship without attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:42 AM
1

Why is fwb sex better than ltr?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:42 AM
2

Men stop putting in effort. In my previous relationship we had that issue. He would just want it randomly without any flirting and warming up and I said if he wants it to be like in the beginning he should act like in the beginning. That’s ”true” initiating. We talked about things a lot though, things got better than in the beginning. This is not losing attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:40 AM
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I always had the experience it’s more enjoyable for the woman. No man seems to describe it as ”stars in the eyes and feel like fainting”. Male orgasms seem so underwhelming too etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:36 AM
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Uhm. Women aren’t more attracted to a hookup. It means she doesn’t want a relationship with him. This means that he has some flaws. Wrong personality. Men in relationships are chosen because of personality but they have BOTH looks and personality. This is not as pathethic as but almost as stupid as I am when I think I’m less attractive because men usually make relationship attempts to me and not sexual ones and I think ”they are only with me for my personality”. That’s just not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:32 AM
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I didnt get it either, please tell?:)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:27 AM
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I don’t get this. To me, NO guy can have sex right away. None. Where is this assumption that women give away free sex and then to you as a poor bastard she will settle down for. According to a statistic it’s the same men women want STR and LTR with. The only situation where I can see it happening is when a woman does it because she wants a relationship with him and hopes sex convinces him. But that’s if anything with the relationship incentive. Most women don’t do things like that and it’s the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:18 AM
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No. I was with my ex for 7 years. It never faded. However when there was stress and such that took away from time spent together. People become fomfortable and don’t go on dates, don’t ”seduce” each other. No more effort. Stress and routine comes up and gets in the way. Flirting stops. At least for many, but that’s not neccesary.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:56 PM
1

Norling special. Hair is long and wavy or in ponytail. Makeup natural I guess. And some normal dress. Thing is most women where I live dress like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:32 PM
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What does that have to do with what I’m saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:29 PM
5

OLD has nothing to do with this and is not used by most womn
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:00 PM
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But that means nothing to women. That doesn’t mean that women see themselves as attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:42 PM
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No, as in, women see themselves as lower. Showing it off is not an indication of body image. I’m a woman and I’ve talked with other women and what you say isn’t true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:42 PM
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Most women have bad body image and try to concince them of the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:16 PM
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Women tend to have way worse body image than men. I would say that men are more accurate and women underestimate themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:51 PM
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Most do: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232545568_Attractive_Women_Want_it_All_Good_Genes_Economic_Investment_Parenting_Proclivities_and_Emotional_Commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:37 PM
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It’s bevause housework = stress = libido killer
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:28 PM
1

Did you court her like before? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:27 PM
2

Well yes this is how female nature works 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:23 PM
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I’m making a comparison. The first is how male sex drive works, the second female.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:10 PM
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Oh what did you do?
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:09 PM
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”Fuckkkkk i want to eat bacon and eggs need to get ittttt!!!” ”Wait someone did bacon and eggs in the kitchen? I didn’t even think of it but that will be so nice I REALLY want it now”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:55 PM
1

Short isn’t even prefered in height. Being tall until you are taller than the Guy is a positive but men care very very little, so its just a small difference. Thank you 💜
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 02:53 PM
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Women use it. This is how women understand the hierarchy. Beta female: A female who is subordinate to an alpha female but superior to an omega female A woman who has stereotypically feminine traits, such as being gentle, nurturing, and emotional. The kind of women men marry. An adult female human who has debilitating low self-esteem. A beta female will imitate the alpha female to an almost pathological extent, leaving one to question whether a beta female has any personality of her own. While sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:35 AM
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Well I’ve gone full circle and I usually say that I seemingly think like a man on this matter. Women DO call ”relationship material” women as ”beta females”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:22 AM
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I think it’s because if men treat women like shit which TRP promotes we don’t want to do stuff, it has to be worth it in other ways to endure it.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 04:12 AM
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I guess becaude to us that means desireable?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:11 AM
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The red pill?
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:53 AM
1

I notice this is something women perpetuate. I think ideally he would want both. (Though men are obsessed about dicksize. Just because a tiny one isn’t good doesn’t mean that clearly over medium is good, some men would be worse off with a bigger one because it would start hurting the woman)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:53 AM
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That I see myself as less attractive due to being someone people want for LTR/fall in love with, whereas other women are seen as ”sexy” I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:39 AM
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I think this is important. While you can’t judge that about looks, sex and desire for women is very much abojt how the man makes her feel. Just a man looking good doesn’t cut it at all for women sexually whereas a man that knows what he is doing is. Intense and such is good but easy orgasm for men isn’t because it means they can’t focus as much on the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:38 AM
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Yep and for me, it strenghtened my bond to them when they did. I loved/liked them more.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:28 AM
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I’m not sure because I see men as heartless that only want to use women for sex and we women deserve no better because that’s all We are good for men don’t care about anything else. I think that getting female froends is a good idea.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:26 AM
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BPD is very solveable with therapy. DBT especially is very effective. This is what is interesting about TRP because it works on a pathological assumption in women. And yes BPD is not a secure attachment (studied to be psychologist, now having a break).
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:23 AM
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Yes I noticed TRP wants to enhance anxious preoccupied relationships in women and promote avoidant in men.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:21 AM
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I read that this is a myth
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:17 AM
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I thought about crying. Men that are crybabies are a turnoff yes but for me when my partners have cried it strenghtened my bond for them because I wanted to console them and I just liked them even more. Very few men are cry babies and cry very very rarely and bold it in. Men are the emotional gender but tend to undershare their emotions. I know many women breaking up with their men because the men weren’t allowing themselves to be emotionally vulnerable. Never knew a woman who broke up with a gu…
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:16 AM
1

What sort of women did it give?
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:11 AM
1

I think TRP confuses it. Some men can be rejecting or cold or detached because they have many options so they don’t have to care to make a woman like him. But that says nothing about that behaviour and has more to do with who he is else. This idea that a woman wants rude men is weird as she is indeed looking for a partner someone who makes her feel safe and protected. Even those strong alpha blabla men represent that to women as he Can fight of threats and by his looks will be the best hunter (p…
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:10 AM
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”Besides being fit” - there is a study where men prioritise being fit and in good shape above WHR. It’s the most important thing in Bodil attractiveness for women! And C-cups is not small, it’s medium.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 03:00 AM
1

Oh same. TRP was like gasoline on my BDD fire.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 02:58 AM
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The information isn’t correct. I’d say TRP is 20% actual studies 30% misinterpretation of said studies 50% misogynism and male tactics how to use women for sex veiled as studies
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 02:56 AM
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This is very funny bevause as a result of TRP I started seeing men like that (and women as worthless non human beings that are only good for sex and whose value is in our looks).
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 02:54 AM
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I have the same mindset and I started internalising that I’m not worth anything after 30. 5.5 years to go. In a way TRP has a kind of sad view on men as well as simply sperm donors where most men have zero value, so they need to put women down to feel better about themselves. No idea. Yet, I internalise that view. I’m nothing but my looks and my womb. That’s all.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 02:41 AM
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Haha yeah it’s really weird and this makes women more suspicious of men in general and less willing to give them a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:26 AM
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Yes this is What I guess I don’t get, yet this paints it as that the beta female is inferior and jelous of the alpha female’s desireability and good looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:25 AM
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It’s a choice to not act like one yeah. And I’m myself very picky with relarionships and don’t do casual sex. Plus: Why would I want to be that? Or i mean act like it. It gives me absolutely nothing. This… it’s not only in terms of a choice but in what cathegory people put you into in your normal attire I guess. Yet I guess I saw myself as looking ”unsexy” as a result of being put in LTR cathegory. It’s very rarely sexual attempts, but easily romantic. I’d turn down the sexual ones but it’s men …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:23 AM
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Yes this and don’t bother learning how to talk to women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 01:36 AM
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What icks?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:29 AM
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I know but why is it evolutionary beneficial for some women to be only attracted to masculine men but beneficial for some women to like less masculine men as well? How does that tie in to disgust? There is probably an evolutionary explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:31 PM
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Right, but the incentive for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:16 PM
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Well this is beta vs alpha female. The beta, the girlfriend or marriage material is seen as inferior to the ”hot alpha female”. Sort of that the beta female is ”men taking what they csn get” whereas the hot alpha female who is dominant and assertive and sexually promiscious is the superior one because she is hotter and the beta is inferior of her. Wikipedia and Urban dictoonary but these are things women talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:15 PM
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Right but why are some women biologically driven to be more selective than others?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:40 PM
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Yeah, well women talk about ”alpha females” and ”beta females” and that there is hot vs boring and stable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:39 PM
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Yes I don’t think it’s related at all but for some reason it seems to work like that association wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:28 PM
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Women men want to have relationships with. Women that are put in LTR cathegory over STR cathegory.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:27 PM
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Well it sort of makes sense, the guy is willing to offer more for the sex 😂 Women call relationship material women ”beta females” though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:16 PM
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This is actually interesting though, please someone who can read a study come and read this 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:13 PM
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Women call this being a ”beta female”. A female who is subordinate to an alpha female but superior to an omega female A woman who has stereotypically feminine traits, such as being gentle, nurturing, and emotional. The kind of women men marry. An adult female human who has debilitating low self-esteem. A beta female will imitate the alpha female to an almost pathological extent, leaving one to question whether a beta female has any personality of her own. While she may imitate and follow the alp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:00 PM
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What are you talking about? I think those women are disgusted easier by sex, but not as much with masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:56 PM
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Because she seems more loyal maybe. Some study about men perceiving women that they think are attractive as promiscious looking. And it’s not a cope? It’s the opposite. It’s in a way how I feel inferior to other women that men put in STR/hot slut cathegory. I’m their girlfriend not the ”superhot” person they want to look at at cornhub or actually truly desire. Essentially internalised Madonna-whore complex Where I think ”men can love me thus not desire me as much as those women”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:55 PM
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I think for women it’s natural because sex carries a higher risk. I just wonder the biological reason behind or association between disgust - preference for masculinity and sex as a risk. What causes some women to be more high disgust than others? I know women in general are more high disgust than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:44 PM
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It said testosterone negatively correlated with dyadic desire. To the partner? Hm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:37 PM
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She isn’t bitchy and doesn’t seem like it but seems a bit, distant, super polite but very formal, reserved if you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:19 PM
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But I agree here on both. Women don’t have the same sort of libido as men as in ”I WANNA FUUUCK” just randomly and needs to fill a need. Women have receptive desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:18 PM
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Being scared of being raped is just innate and an innate cause of lower desire. Sex for women means eventually being lonely and pregnant, it’s dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:16 PM
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What is dyadic desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:15 PM
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Women do have a lower disgust threshold AND women who are more easily disgusted prefer more masculine men than those that aren’t as easily disgusted!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:11 PM
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I’m talking about LTR :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 08:21 PM
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Yep; but some other men seemed to answer in your name and seemed to say that 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 08:14 PM
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So the openness and willingness and availability and invitingness is what is considered attractive about that? Oh and of course showing her attractiveness. Makes sense. I think for us women we don’t understand male sexuality and for me it goes ”that woman must have something about her appereance which makes me less attractive”. In my head, sexual attention = attractive. If a man doesn’t give that, it means she isn’t good looking. But now that I think of it, if I look at someone like Catherine De…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 08:05 PM
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Good point! What are those giveaways? I’m a bit asking in regards to myself I guess. I had some few people make STR attempts actually (generally men tend to put me in LTR cathegory but want to sleep around with other women which made me think I’m less hot and less desireable and I almost see myself as not sexual lol in terms of identity, am usually told beautiful which in my country sort of associated with paintings and respect rather than sexual compliments) but that was usually randoms who did…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:52 PM
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I don’t search for male validation. It doesn’t mean anything I guess, like I wouldn’t get anything from likes or men making sexual attempts. It would be very concrete compliments if anything. But in the end you get the impression that those women That do those things are more attractive. I think this is why a lot of These women (promiscious Women) Have Very high self confidence Because they think it means they are super attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:36 PM
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Sure, but this is what clashes with prioritising looks in LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:23 PM
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Well you see, it’s women that are deemed attractive. This is why I sometimes feel like men want to be in relationships with me fairly easily, I never felt any troubles in dating ever, but always felt like ok this means that they desire other people more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:23 PM
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I guess yes, but more what it means. I’m usually put in LTR cathegory and it made me feel like I’m ”safe and comforting” but not what someone TRULY desires. If I make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:21 PM
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Not at all extreme fitness. Just normal going to the gym and eating healthy. Huge muscles are a turnoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:07 PM
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I think we women always think like this, What does she have that I don’t have that makes him be different to them. They do show desire and such but I always think ”if it wasn’t for his feelings, would women like me be the ones he googled on cornhub, men show desire to some degree for all women”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:06 PM
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Yep, but I guess it’s what they would prefer I wonder about. Would men want the mousy woman for a relationship and then oogle over women on cornhub who they ”truly” desire? In my head it’s the opposite (Madonna whore complex, women that they desire they don’t want to marry, women that they desire they don’t truly desire) i.e. hot women are not seen as relationship material and I read a study on how men perceive attractive women as promiscious looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:02 PM
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Right and I read a study where attractive women are perceived as more promiscious looking and this is where it confuses me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:00 PM
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Right but what they prefer, how they operate within the choices they have
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:00 PM
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How would they react to someone above their SMV? Wb RMV? Because in a LTR the RMV can compensate for SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:56 PM
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For me, men usually seem to see me as LTR and want to commit and it makes me feel like I’m the boring ugly person that they see as ”loyal looking” but don’t truly desire. Loved but not desired (beyond baseline).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:32 PM
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You as in women. English language sucks you can mean anything lool.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:28 PM
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That’s a good reasoning
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:20 PM
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This is funny because if most men went to the gym and worked out they would have a hot body. It’s very easy for men to be physically attractive in terms of body. Same with face, so many men have unatrractive faces because they are fat, then they lose weight and their face looks good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:17 PM
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Ok so for you it’s that you find BBL less attractive? That’s good. The other ones basically implied you wanted less hot women for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:13 PM
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I think this is why high BC is disgusting to me. It shows someone sees the other person as a human tool for masturbation pretty much. That’s disgusting to me. Liking casual sex is a red flag, hook ups as well. I can’t say a number because I think context matters a lot. Was it in relationships? How old was he? How did it happen and why is the number the way it is? At 5 I start feeling disgust I think. Had you asked me at 20 I would have said at 3 is disgust. I think it matters how old he is. A gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:54 PM
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What is humility vs ego driven?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:44 PM
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Not in my experience. We have ”the magic height 180” here as well. Which is one inch shorter than in the US but people do like round numbers 😂 I think it points to good genetic fitness or something, it’s not about the taller the better. But yeah I think that’s what I read. Height is positive in women unless taller than him. Meaning that men like women that are tall compared to other women but short compared to themselves, but ultimately it’s not important to men at all but merely theorethical. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:24 PM
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So you think it’s attractive and hotter but want her to be less attractive in order to minimise competition from other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:22 PM
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Yeah I think men are also more willing to be in a relationship for the sake of it than women. Men have had it tougher to reproduce always, so they have a mindset where they are more likely to think ”doesn’t matter, had sex”. The fact that he could carry on his genes means enough. This is why men love when women say ”I’m yours”, are turned on by ownership in bed, etc. Even if he has options he has a different evolutionary imperative. For women sex was such a high risk it’s better to not reproduce…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:56 PM
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Yes and it sucks that men have low standards because you feel replaceable. This is one reason why women like men that have high standards or desireable or are distant because IF he commits it validates their own value.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:53 PM
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Red pill men think they cheating or abusing her will make her like him more
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:26 PM
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1) I notice this too. The men that are successful with ONS are not always the most attractive at all. They look somewhat good, but usually have a specific personality and motives. Where I live it’s the ”polyamourous feminist liberal” guys. Or rather those guys who say they are only to get into women’s pants. They often know how to talk with women. 2) Yes this. A lot of ”Chads” people mention I would reject because they aren’t my type. 3) Yep Then the statistic isn’t really true and some of those…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:37 PM
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I know men that try to act like that and most women if treated like shit will leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:28 PM
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I’m talking about how men view women though? And yes, because to Scandinavians it’s baseline. 6’0 is average height here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:26 PM
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Wow. That’s terrible really. I feel bad for the woman you get together with if you have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:25 PM
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Dumb. Women in their 20s in relationship want the same. Sorry, but some looser is not seen as more secure. I’m talking about relationships btw. No. Plus sorry a man doesn’t become a Chad or whatever just because he uses those tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:24 PM
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I perceive height for men to just be ”different flavours of icecream”. Some might have their favourite I guess but it’s not like for (most) women. I read it might favour tall a bit though because men prefer partner to be 10 cm shorter and women 20 cm taller or something like that. (Is that even true above average height? Even in our tall country 180 cm, 5’11 is seen as the magic number despite women being taller than in the US etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:03 AM
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Because two pertain to traits related to attractiveness which is just a preference, the other implies behaviour and it’s not even consistent (I would say women are the only one’s that can be virtuos in regards to sexual partners, because of abundancy, women and le Chad that wants a relationship not casual sex). A man with high N count will demand one moral standard for a woman but not for himself. That’s just way different than height which can be more about personality traits i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:57 AM
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What is that dumb shit? Women search security and commitment in relationships. Women want to feel special. TRP works to get sex from mentally unstable women, not long term commited relarionships. No successful marriage worked with ”spinning plates” or ”dread game”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:55 AM
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Women want to feel special as simple as that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:34 AM
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Men that use TRP tactics on me will end up broken up with. A partner should make you feel safe and appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:57 AM
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Yeah I guess, but they are OTT imo. It becomes very performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:49 AM
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Eh not really. Two men with equal attractiveness can behave confidently vs not confidently. It’s the second that comes off as a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:49 AM
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Uh how is that comparable
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:21 AM
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Even as women in male dominated spaces it’s the men that approach and initiate. Often more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:20 AM
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A woman wpuldn’t automatically know unless he acts or looks in a way that is a giveaway. And no it’s an attitude as well. Men from more south or east in europe tend to be more confident (on the surface) compared to men in west and north so the latter often feels more like simping. Some bravado goes a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:19 AM
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I don’t see how it has any sort of relation to waiting versus not waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:16 AM
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Never said that, studies show men don’t care much in practice at all, yet the dream girl is considered to be on the tall side.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:59 AM
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Some study showed men don’t care much abojt height at all as long as she is shorter than them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:58 AM
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Why do you like it for casual but not long term?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:57 AM
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It exists. I don’t know if 110 lbs at 5’4 is tiny. I’m 116 at 5’5 and just think of myself as slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:57 AM
1

Scandinavia
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:53 AM
1

No I think the tone comes across. Men without options or whatever can still act confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:53 AM
1

Ok, but this is not an issue like that. Not waiting wouldn’t have given any benefits so whatever. And it’s not about being paranoid; it’s just that I don’t see any benefits of just going into bed with someone so quickly. This doesn’t mean you can’t show any interest but I’m talking actual sex here. Why? It’s not projektion it’s just that I don’t like the idea of having sex with someone who isn’t serious about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:25 PM
1

It doesnt seem desperate, kind of hard to explain. Not like he is desperate for just anyone. Like in movies or how men in Southern europe do it lool.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:20 PM
1

Yep! But sometimes you get to know someone organically and some don’t care anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:20 PM
1

I don’t see this as comprable because waiting doesn’t mean lack of loyalty. Just No clear expression thereof. Sleeping with other women does mean that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:19 PM
5

I mean some men like short women but it’s like a ”fetish” thing almost. But yes I always saw my not tall height as a negative. I read a study men prefer women to be like 8-10 cm shorter? Average man is 183/6’0 here so. A tall woman is Already shorter than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:09 PM
1

Why would a woman put herself in a position like that though?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:47 PM
1

Because the STR and LTR guy look pretty much the same and are placed the same on the chart. Not like women go for the guy ok the left for STR and guy on the right for LTR. They go for masculine but not ubermasculine for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:46 PM
1

Not waiting wouldn’t have changed a thing either. So what is your point? Idk if it’s a dead bedroom per criteria I just experienced a steep decline in sexual interest and it doesn’t relate to this AT ALL.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:45 PM
1

So do men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:44 PM
1

It’s not about rejection, it’s about gender dynamics. The man is the predator and the woman the prey. Pursue a man is like reversing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:44 PM
6

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:43 PM
6

Ideal male body is toned and fit. Muscular but he still looks efficient and not bulky. Frame medium I guess? Ecto-meso can look good or meso. I care a lot about face though and the faces I like (disagreeable looking, sharp features, very masculine but not in a rough way) don’t exist on taller and muscular guys (their features get so large they look a bit soft and unrefined) so either shorter and more muscular or taller but a lean build. Still muscular but will look slim. Lean muscular here is go…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:41 PM
18

Where I live tall is the ideal for women. Long legs. Not like supertall but 5’7 or 5’8.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:36 PM
1

A 6’4 is a lanklet, that’s not more attractive than a moderately tall guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:04 PM
1

Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:01 PM
1

Ok ok let’s assume the Numbers are normal distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:01 PM
1

Yeah, that’s what I mean. Sure, women won’t sleep around with ultra ugly guys (though I would say high BC for men is not synonymous with attractive), but a woman waiting has more to do with the woman and what she wants than whether the man is attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:00 PM
1

Yes haha it seems like it’s only entitled incels who are upset about not getting sex soon, whereas attractive or high value men are fine with it. Might even take it positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:59 PM
1

No, theybwant to be chased by women and by not simping trying to give the ”impression” that they are high value. It has nothing to do with women not liking simping. Sweet talk and love bombing is a thing for a reason, though it’s done with confidence so the woman feels pursued not like he is desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:55 PM
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Why would a woman sleep with a man then go for an uglier guy? I don’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:48 PM
-3

You really think ugly men have to wait when they don’t have q chance in the first place? As you can see, it’s essentially the same man on this picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:38 PM
1

Less likely if he is putting in the effort, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:37 PM
1

No, it shows that women want a whole package and don’t settle for looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:37 PM
1

As said, the men women want for STR and LTR are practically the same. It’s this wrong idea that women will sleep with Chad and then let any ugly guy wait. No, they don’t let him wait in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:36 PM
1

No, I didn’t say women aren’t. I say women in general even those that do casual sex care about waiting if they have feelings for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:34 PM
1

Lol you think all it takes is above a 5 and the whole female collective Will just throw themselves at him?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:33 PM
2

No, that it looks like it is achieved that way. Obviously most men will aghieve it like that. Why? Because it looks ”fake” I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:33 PM
1

Yes!!!! This.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:32 PM
1

Why would women suddenly date ugly men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:31 PM
1

Don’t ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:30 PM
1

Well, that would prove why waiting was the right choice if he is only in it for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:30 PM
2

Women don’t wait with ugly guys either, they didn’t have a chance in the first place 🤦‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:29 PM
1

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232545568_Attractive_Women_Want_it_All_Good_Genes_Economic_Investment_Parenting_Proclivities_and_Emotional_Commitment ”Women” In general men chase women not the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:28 PM
1

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232545568_Attractive_Women_Want_it_All_Good_Genes_Economic_Investment_Parenting_Proclivities_and_Emotional_Commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:27 PM
2

Yes, men seem to think guilt tripping women into sex will work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:26 PM
1

Where does the assumption come from that this so called ugly guy has a chance at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:25 PM
1

Honestly don’t ask me, I don’t do casual sex. I just explain the rational of making men wait. I guess hurt is the reason for waiting as I said. If a woman wants a relationship she feels used if it shows that he doesn’t want more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:23 PM
2

Men compete for women not the other way around in general. But ok, proves that all men care about is ”getting laid”. Why not go to prostitutes then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:21 PM
1

Ok so let’s use that as a proof for the collective of all women. Plus, what makes most men think they will be waited for at all? Ie have a chance at allz
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:19 PM
-3

I guess this is why it might be bad to tell men how women think
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:18 PM
1

What’s so funny? Wait until marriage, yep, waiting is a way to ensure this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:56 AM
1

Oh I meant this idea that we are essentially schimpanzees.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:54 AM
0

They don’t ”have to”. It’s to show that they want the woman for more than just p&d. Or it’s a way for men to have less responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:47 AM
1

I’m not sure but yes often it is probably subconsciously putting themselves in good light, social awkwardness etc. Other times it’s manipulation. I never understood that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:45 AM
0

Well, agree. I’m not saying it is right or wrong btw I just explain how women think. Chad? Now here comes the assumption that any guy can be relationship material for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:41 AM
3

What do you mean with the first? I don’t see the correlation. In many cpuntries in Europe men support abortion more than women do btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:40 AM
-3

No it means that you are hot AND have a relationship quality. Men want to have sex with all sorts of women so how should a woman know if a guy is really interested in anything more?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:38 AM
1

Not if he does the same for 50% of women. Ar you the bottom of that or the top?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:25 AM
1

Yep. I also don’t want to give men advice because they tend to use it to manipulate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:22 AM
2

Yes this so much
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:22 AM
1

With what? I mean that I agree that women like (the illusion of?) that a man is not judgmental and ”embraces her sexuality”. I realised that this probably transfers to relationships in my regard (as someone who doesn’t do casual sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:05 AM
-4

Do you think women are that ”easy” that all it takes for them to have sex with an attractive man is him being attractive? Point is that it has to do with her caring about him wanting a relationship. It has nothing to do with his attractiveness but rather that she wants to be with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:03 AM
1

But it’s not a common behaviour. Most women that have sex are in commited relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:51 AM
-4

Because I am a woman and can understand the logic. If I ”had to” I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:50 AM
1

What do you mean? It’s humiliating to pursue a man. It’s like the prey trying to catch the predator. Can’t explain why, but I wouldn’t be interested in a guy like that even, in the sense he wouldn’t ”physically excite me”. I guess? I don’t know. I don’t say it’s a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:49 AM
1

Well yes, this is something I think women should consider for sure. If a woman has sex or is physical to early then the man might think badly of her so it’s a double edged sword. Yet in the end, it IS about wanting to make sure he is in it for more and it’s not about the other guy being more hot and he being less hot… it’s about personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:46 AM
2

How would I know?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:45 AM
0

I think this might be a reason too. Now, she has no assurance that he doesn’t actually despises her or looks down on her, but they like the illusion of having their sexuality appreciated and not being judged but appreciated for it. I value the physical, attraction, sex sort of dynamic in a relationship. I don’t do casual sex, I do ”have sex with men that want to marry you”. It hurts me if someone clearly choses me despite desire, not in part because of it, and I think it relies to what you menti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:45 AM
1

I don’t do hookups or STR so ask other women more in detail. And no for STR the women don’t like their personality so they don’t care if he is only in it for sex because they wouldn’t want a relationship with him anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:40 AM
0

If they are interested in relationships with him they will have him wait, obviously they want sex with them but they want to know that he wants more first. Even women in STR often hope for relationships (but also the reverse).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:38 AM
1

Most women will go for their version of alpha bucks. Actual dual mating strategy is for low value women. In practice it’s just two forces in play where women want both, and in the stone age the strong muscular guy was the best beta because he could hunt (food, resources) and fight (protect her) better. At the whole spectrum of men, the difference is SMALL between STR and LTR ideal. —— Yes they would, it would hurt. To me? It’s humiliating. —— It’s not so different from who they want relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:30 AM
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You are a guy, don’t answer. I don’t do casual sex so… but if I was forced to or whatever: personality less important, looks equally important as for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:07 AM
-1

Then those people shouldn’t be with each other :) Or they could get an arranged marriage I guess???
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:00 AM
2

Men hate the friendzone so much but it’s a good way to get a woman. Friendship with some mind flirting. Then of course we might ”friendzone” a guy, but that doesn’t mean we want to meet the guys we are interested in differently. Idk, dating culture has come to my country and I kind of hate it because now men want to go on dates so early instead of things growing organically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:08 AM
3

Yeah I don’t mean OF. I meant that a sign of being HV is doing those things TRP deem as beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:07 AM
2

Muscular is good but a bit to dry I guess. Slightly much. Depends on what is fit? I’m slim and have toned muscle I guess, but I lack the testo to build much. It is just common that women like muscle, but not bulky.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:05 AM
3

well, then you never know whether they truly desire you. or men just approach women they think they have a chance on?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:25 AM
2

Looking like it is achieved in THEORY without the gym/body building
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:34 AM
3

Right but men seem to be so bad at judging how a woman looks naturally. Makeup is bad not per se because ugly but because they can’t understand how a woman looks without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:58 AM
5

Same! I also like muscles but it should look… natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:41 AM
3

That is not athletic to me but a bit overtrained. Most athletes don’t look like that, because that inhibits mobility. Best by far is /fit/. By far. And I think many women agree. That’s a really really nice male physique. “Built fat” guy looks good and not fat at all but he could loose some body fat. Ottermode looks good but that guy is to lanky for my taste! Muscular is good but a bit to much. The other muscular ones don’t look natural. It looks like the male version of plastic surgery. A guy sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:39 AM
-2

No, women talk with men in a curve which responds fairly well to how “good looking” men are. Men talk to women more the more attractive she is, so why does the normal distribution thing matter? For me there is this issue. Men aren’t “beautiful”. Women are beautiful. Men are hot, which often means some features which just aren’t “beautiful” but indeed very hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:20 AM
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Yeah I would feel that he is superficially attractive but any sort of physical reaction nope. I mean sure, if I already feel attractive in that sense it’s easier. Hard to say. All I know is I can’t pursue a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:17 AM
3

Because it’s about imagining being a woman in a sexual sense
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:13 AM
1

Yeah, but I’m not talking about ugly men here per se. Nor are many men who convince themselves they have failed in this regard ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:09 AM
1

“Game” affects how I perceive someone visually. And honestly most people I see here have no problems with their looks, they fail because of their game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:08 AM
1

It might not be because of you. I wouldn’t use a dating app because you never know how many other women he has swiped on, did he swipe on you because YOU are desireable or interesting or did you just happen to show interest? Is he into something serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:18 PM
5

No. It means that it doesn’t matter to the degree men think it does! I don’t care about a huge dick. Does it mean I want a micropenis? No. Of course we need to say we don’t care because else men think that we want our cervix to hurt and for it to be impossible to enter even when wet. Men are OBSESSED about having a huge dick, so when we say we don’t care it’s from that POV. Like when you see guys complain that their dick is “only” 6 inches… It’s not about general things. Same things goes for men…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:16 PM
3

Because women want to imagine being the woman! Female sexuality is kind of egoistical, it’s about feeling attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:13 PM
3

^ yep
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:12 PM
4

Some of you guys fail because of HOW you approach a woman. YOU aren’t getting rejected, your advances are. I know many men where I in theory have no issue with them, but they lacked ”game”. To many men try to infer things in regards to their hotness or value, but very often it comes down to social skills. Men seem to loathe the friendzone for example, yet to early advances have been a deal breaker often for me. Men that seem desperate (not towards me, but in the sense that they would take any wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:06 PM
3

Nope nope nope. Rich people don’t think they are rich. Why? Because they compare to even richer people! Hedonic threadmill sort of way. If you hear you are pretty you learn that you are valued for your looks. This means you are never good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:04 PM
1

I’m not talking about myself but people I know. People with “higher value” care more in a way, are more insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:04 PM
1

True! Men don’t get it. And for ourselves, to boost our confidence. This is the most important thing. At some level it relates to what men find attractive, but even then it’s just a tool to further ourselves. That’s why women at the same time complain about male advances. Because it’s not about men in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:02 PM
1

Healthy masculinity > soft guy > toxic masculinity Healthy masculinity contains a certain level of softness still. Toxic masculinity is weaker than it all, weaker and less masculine than a soft guy. But I sort of agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:59 PM
1

Well yes, and then men try to “become” masculine by being toxic and that is just even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:59 PM
2

The problem is the drinking but the thing is, they shouldn’t have gotten drunk in the first place. Being drunk literally turns off the brain in a way, people might think “oh wonder what happens if I jump out of that window” and act upon it because they can’t think of it in context or consequences nor understand that it’s just a random thought. They don’t think, they just act. So yeah in a way drunk people make shitty decisions they didn’t even want to. They get personality changed. I would assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:53 PM
-1

I live in Sweden, and it’s seen as neutral to negative. Not high, but many men would not want a virgin for example because she will be less able to please them bla bla bla. In terms of “oh but that’s for short term”. They don’t seem to care much at all in regards to LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:51 PM
-1

I don’t think inexperience is a bad thing. I prefer a man with low experience, but it should be an active choice. Like, if you watched a gazillion of hours of pornography and would have wanted STR if you had the options, your virginity or low BC isn’t worth shit. Chastity is good. That’s not chastity because it’s a moral virtue. The red flag about low experience is that they might not know what a woman looks like, they might not be humble and put all responsibility on the woman. But that’s also …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:49 PM
1

Both. I need a physical bond but it relates to the emotional bond and without the emotional bond the physical just… isn’t there? The person is attractive in theory but it doesn’t make me attracted to them. The physical is more a threshold thing and some men are hot in looks but act and behave unsexy. A man who has good ”moves” or demeanor is automatically way more sexy to me. For me giving my body is a big thing. It’s very vulnerable. I’m maybe one of those women who don’t feel like it’s a compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:44 PM
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Oh women are supposed to be able to recognise who is fake and is pretending, yet men don’t even seem to understand that yes, in a bra breasts look different and no, this woman does not have dark red lips and golden eyelids naturally. And WE are the naive gender??
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:34 PM
-1

I notice this too! How some low value men (unattractive but also unattractive personality) will pull that one. Meanwhile men that are ”high” value are actually nicer, more polite and actually want to commit. It’s like it’s some sort of power trip.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:31 PM
4

Wrong. Studies show masculine men tend to be nicer to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:29 PM
5

Yeah, and studies show masculine and high value men tend to be nicer to women and also spend more on them 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:28 PM
4

It’s not attractive to me if a man is willing to take whatever comes across him, how am I to feel special then? That if anything furthers women’s desire to avoid these men. That makes women more picky!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:18 PM
1

Didn’t you see the graph?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:18 PM
1

Confident, “come hither” attitude. Nope, and this is female sexuality working differently. Women and this is shown in studies are attracted to seeing a man’s reaction to them, and “men are turned on by sexy women, women are turned in by them being the sexy woman”. I can find him sexy in theory, but it wouldn’t “do” anything for me unless he also has that behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:43 PM
2

But mature for a 20 year old isn’t necessarily as mature as a 28 year old. My mum claims and I even sort of agree, that men under 30 are barely dateable. But yes the 20 year old. My 30+ year old friends who only wanted STR tend to go for younger guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:24 PM
2

But is a 20 year old more mature? I think I will subconsciously think he is less mature if he looks younger. A 28 year old doesn’t look aged either. Models tend to look to pretty and not as masculine so. In theory by those descriptions the 20 year old but he needs to have “sexy” behaviour and make me feel sexy to sexually desire him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 07:18 PM
-2

Men rated women like a normal distribution curve, women rated men ugly (but men don’t understand that how they carry themselves plays in a lot…) but messaged according to it, whereas men meaaages attractive women much much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:12 PM
1

Well yes, I also notice that men who have less options might actually be more ”picky”. Or rather, they are willing to settle but they adjust their preference not based on real women because they don’t have much experience, but with some really weird extreme pornography or Instagram. Not even normal pornography (and I don’t mean normal in the sense of softer) as most women I’ve seen there are pretty but normal looking. It feels so pathethic really. No reason for a woman to be with a man like that…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 03:12 PM
4

How is this done by women? Those people in power aren’t women!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:45 PM
4

Well yes, I also notice that men who have less options might actually be more ”picky”. Or rather, they are willing to settle but they adjust their preference not based on real women because they don’t have much experience, but with some really weird extreme pornography or Instagram. Not even normal one as most women I’ve seen there are pretty but normal looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:25 PM
26

That study is so weird because it’s men who went for looks in that study.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:21 PM
1

Oh digit ratio… i have a very very ”feminine” one, much longer index finger. I always wondered how that plays into my preferences in men (I prefer very disagreeable facial features for example) or how dating works for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:44 AM
2

I think this is the issue for many men on trp. They aren’t to ugly for women, they are to autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:48 AM
0

That’s not due to looks… Funny how rp:ers loathe the idea of betahood but that’s exactly why older men can secure younger women…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:47 AM
3

A study shows that baldness decreases ”beauty” but increases perceived social dominance (which is a sexy trait). Personally I think it really depends on whether it suits the face. Some people really look their best with shoulder lenght hair, some people would do better with a buzzcut even if they had hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:46 AM
3

I’m 24. I guess peak attractiveness is maybe late 20s. Depends on the man. Some men lose babyfat and get more attractive with age. Objectively 20 year olds look good but their behaviour seems immature based on their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:54 PM
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I think younger men are objectively more attractive (”good genes, healthy”) but feel less attractive. I think it’s a biological cope or something like that that we feel like men with age look better as we age ourselves. It wouldn’t work very well if we desired young men when young men are most desired by and desire young women. I associate young look with immature behaviour so there is that. Well, I’m still young but old enough that men in their 30s aren’t ”disgusting” anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:51 PM
-1

Most women have higher EQ than that, might work destroying some woman with insecurities or low self worth. Fuck that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:23 PM
1

Ok so ”raising” price might work to some degree but this is mostly really really stupid. One can pretty much infer value without that, and it is just pathethic. Mostly it actually reads as such a tactic based in insecurity, a man of actual high value wouldn’t have to care about appearing higher value.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:51 PM
1

But no, a man acting like that will remove any interest and I mean it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:46 PM
5

No, she wants a man that is the best value, why on earth do you think women want to be treated like they are below 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:24 PM
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…And aren’t satisfied when they get it.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy29/06/22 05:24 PM
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Calls my breasts (they are approx like Laty Perry) medium size and is very dissatisfied I am now at 19.7 BMI. I don’t know what he compares to. Fatter or larger women? Women on 🌽hub with implants? He said he stopped watching it years ago and I belive it, but… brain is still fried from plastic when that’s his perception.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy29/06/22 05:18 PM
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Hm maybe we have a different definition of chubby? Like, even at a healthy BMI half of women are overweight by fat percentage. Slim or normal is for example Halle Berry. Women praised online nowadays carry a substantially larger amount of fat and are liked for being ”thicc”, even if it’s not THAT great of a fat distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:40 PM
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I noticed that men prefer chubby women today (not fat but like, above 30 percent body fat). This is to some extent an american thing but it’s cultural influence is affecting us as well. Sure, but she is still hourglass. Plus sized models are legitimately fat bordering landwhale, I’m talking about normal chubbiness, which is prefered over being slim. Hollywood stars might be slim but it seems like chubbier is ”sexy” or whatnot. No idea, don’t ask me. Ask those other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:29 PM
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Nope. It’s ”I want to secure the best” and it also relies on commitment I guess. That’s why female lack of promisciousuty ties in with hypergamy to raise the price of sex etc. A woman must perceive herself to be very low value to accept being treated like shit. That’s literally not hypergamous at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:23 PM
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Or you look at the actual pill and notice that the generic brand of medicine is the exact same thing and that the other one tries to scam you. Women are however often like this, and even with things like painting preferences and such they go with the majority. But that’s only an indication of possessing traits that are considered good, but in the end it’s the traits. Just because something plastic is being sold by Gucci and the women in the hood want to buy it doesn’t mean that it’s good wuality…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:22 PM
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Why would it make me feel better that men don’t like fat women? I really wish they didn’t and that slim was the trend again. But nope. Americans don’t even call Halle Berry hourglass and want some BBW with some nice meat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:18 PM
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What is this bullshit? Someone who treats me badly or is distant removes my attraction from them. Hypergamy is also ”don’t want to be treated like shit”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:27 PM
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No idea. Don’t ask me, it’s not in my wish that the looks hierarchy is reversed in terms of weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:15 PM
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If 30 is the average then 26 or so becomes the idea of slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:00 PM
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But the standard for normal has shifted given that the average american woman is obese now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 01:47 PM
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Nah there are guys who do genuinely prefer fat. And fat doesn’t mean landwhale here. And not thinking about women who simply have more weight in breasts and thighs but are overweight. Isn’t BBW fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 01:32 PM
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The female menstrual cycle makes it hard to say an average. In addition things like stress or negative life events can impact quite severely. For women it’s hard to talk about libido because we don’t have a drive in the same sense as men, but I would say I have both sensitive brakes and accelerators. So in a good situation, every day I guess on average. And since female sexuality is receptive it’s hard to know on beforehand if one would like it. It is actually recommended to adjust in accordance…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 01:30 PM
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No, men seem to prefer fat women. ”Yeah she has some belly but look at those breasts”. I saw a meme on a man (some viking movie?) getting a woman as a price, she was slim and in good shape scandinavian, and the point was that ”what a bad price I would take BBW porn over her”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 01:09 PM
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Men and porn because that creates the incentive for thottery on social media
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:35 PM
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Hahahahah my brain started working the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:34 PM
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Men like fat women nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:22 PM
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Yeah. This.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:18 PM
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It matters, absolutely. And I do care and don’t find fat men attractive… but female attraction is not solely based on looks. Men are just more willing to settle, but overall men care more about looks. How a man carries himself, makes you feel etc matters A LOT. More. Kind of depends what is meant. For me just looks don’t cut it and as long as he passes a treshold. ”Men are attracted to hot women, women are attracted to them being the hot woman”. So focus on looks sure but also on other things. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:06 PM
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Oh absolutely. On average a BFP in the 20s is healthy for women. BMI is somewhat accurate (but sometimes to lenient, as 50% of women with a healthy weight are overweight by bfp) for women because of lower amount of muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:18 AM
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I don’t know. People say it’s men who p&d and that’s true but very often le chad is the one wanting relationship and women put him in the STR cathegory.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:44 AM
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Yeah, if a guy is attractive but we don’t share any interests at all, personality clash, we don’t seem like it will work out in the long run… he is not interesting anymore. Looks are sort of a cutoff (and it’s not as extreme as people want to think, in addition most women have a ”type” so it’s not neccesarily all will agree that these guys I like look as good as I think they do) but beyond? I’m not fully his type physically? Not interested. Doesn’t carry himself well? Not interested. So much in …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:41 AM
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Most women at healthy BMI are overweight per fat percentage if we want to go that route…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:11 AM
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I’m not so sure about that it’s always like this. I’d have more issues with a guy finding other women more attractive than having a better personality etc. The physical part is very important for many women still.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:36 PM
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Men need to ensure paternity and in additions haven’t been as ”sure” to reproduce. It is also humiliating relative to other men. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:28 PM
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I mean, me myself also don’t really carry weight in my midsection. It carries a smaller health risk than abdomnial fat, but it’s still not peak health.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:03 PM
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Men just don’t get help but can often be worse. They commit more suicide too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:25 PM
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Women are inclined to anxiety too, we should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:21 PM
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Because they are at a healthy weight. I hope so… we had a thicc trend somewhat so it did affect it, but not like what you describe at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:56 PM
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Many women don’t flirt at all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:33 PM
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But aren’t they slim with hourglass and fat distribution in “curve” areas. I don’t know if it fully will. There is a noticed shift for sure! But with celebs losing weight and removing BBL or implants and the y2k trend I don’t know if it will catch up again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:34 PM
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I’m a woman 😈
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:53 PM
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Yes I’m mostly talking about WHR, and that yes some areas carry more fat. That is curvy here. Like a lot of thicc women don’t really have that great WHR and would not be considered curvy even if they have a big ass. Is Halle Berry slim thick? Is Doja Cat still that now that she has gotten in shape?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:53 PM
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Yes ahaha!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:48 PM
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Proactive. When I’m single it’s like, Why would I care as much? For myself sure, but there is nobody to appreciate it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:20 PM
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Is Amara La Negra slim thick? She has a broader frame and is clearly overweight. Maybe I saw the wrong pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:55 AM
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I mean you can be fat and have a good fat distribution at the same time? Voluptous (we don’t really have a word for that, full body maybe) is a specific type of fat imo. I think we would say ”carry the extra weight well” here. Where is the limit though in regards to slim thick? Like is it skinny fat (with good fat distribution)? Muscles aren’t that though but hm. Hourglass is liked here; but we care a lot about it in the frame, not as a result of fat per se even though it’s both fat distribution…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:54 AM
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Can’t see the second woman really But yes it’s fat or chub (but with good distribution).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:34 AM
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Heavier weight women. Like to me in my language thick means fat quite literally, so I always found it weird, but it’s a bit of a loaded word anyway. I’m not sure what slim thick is even, I guess it’s being a bit chubby but on a smaller frame so it doesn’t look large.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:04 AM
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92% of women and 42% of men (or something like that) were against premartial sex before the sexual revolution. Well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:28 AM
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This is why i call myself PP even if I agree with some of the science (and some is just twisted and shows that people don’t know how to read science…). Red pill advocates ”dread game” and it just doesn’t work. Not according to studies either. This mean misogynistic man is not manly to me, quite the opposite as he feels like he needs to ”prove” his manliness. It seems insecure. Women know this, lower tier ”but I’m the nice guy” men tend to be the rude ones. Some study showed that more masculine m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:24 AM
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I think many studies suggest that BMI is more important than WHR even if that’s an independent factor. Oh and as for ass, some study showed asians prefer small ass, white europeans medium but toned/shapely, latin americans large and african americans or africans huge. Basically, it varies depending on demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:16 AM
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This is normal in older generations (milennials and gen X even boomers), richer areas, whiter, more european. I guess lower income brackets here can think that a larger woman looks good too. As said, playmates are considered more attractive than Kim K or ”thicc” women. That’s not so weird, it was the standard for a long time and even in the so called 50s, the look was still playmate over modern ideals. In most european countries it’s also breasts over ass, you can see that in the US as well wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:33 AM
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Oh lol I talked with a guy who said pretty much that the issue is that even if a woman has a small waist, it’s not a good thing if the rest is ”wobbly”. Fleshy is not good, but it’s fine if it’s muscle. WHR still matters here. But I think the ideal is hourglass rather than thicc. I still don’t think Kim is the ideal at all in New York or for higher income demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:21 AM
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No but look at the video. That’s ”shapely” at most now. I grew up with playmates (or women like that) being considered the ideal. Then sure, the gym trend came, but it was about muscles, not fat. Then Kim Kardashian came and now it’s fat again. Saw her referenced as ”chubby” here. Well, the average american woman is obese. So yeah. Large women as long as the waist is small, and it doesn’t even have to be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:13 AM
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Where I live, my social circle, fatness is not common among ethnic swedes. Know few who have a BMI over 25. So I can’t really compare much but most women gain weight not in their midsection. As for that: Then you are still fat, but it’s good proportion. But that stays generally at a lower weight too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:11 AM
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It just doesn’t work that way because women don’t tend to gain weight in the waist. Basically, McDonalds to looksmaxx. But yeah this is the new trend. I notice a clear shift as a result from american cultural influence. The women in ”baby got bunz” would be considered subpar to an average McDonalds goer. Not in my country I guess but still. Women my age have become fatter too (whereas women around 30 aren’t) so it’s probably a correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:09 AM
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Well, it’s ”fat, as long as it goes to the right places”. If a woman keeps the same proportions but gains weight it’s a matter of fat. I actually doubt you can have a sub 30 bfp and be ”thicc”. Oh unless it’s muscles and from the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:06 AM
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Yeah, it’s normal for 5’9” to be 160. I live in Scandinavia and the average is 5’7” so even here that’s much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:03 AM
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This is not true. Few men have enough money, and many women want their own money. My mum is a SAHM which is super rare here but my dad ”lives off her” just as much, he couldn’t have gotten that far in his career without Her support.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:59 AM
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I’d think it’s normal weight (but not slim) if you are 5’9”. At 5’5” it’s fat because it’s overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:54 AM
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No? Fat is not about proportion. If you carry an excess amount of fat you are fat even if you carry it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:52 AM
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Yeah and 160 lbs is overweight if you aren’t tall. Well, back in the times that was what mattered. Shape, how it looked relative to the waist. To much fat was not good even if the proportion was. Now, it’s the bigger the better, just go to McDonalds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:49 AM
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Well it shows that it’s upkeep that is the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:47 AM
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Sure, that’s why I know guys my age Follow women my mothers age on instagram who happen to be famous 🌽stars…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:47 AM
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They were used to doing more than fine, and if good whr (without being thick) that was considered curvy. Thinking about figures à la playmates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:46 AM
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That still requires a certain level of weight. Like even if your ass is proportionally there and you are slim, thicc is a wrong word because you can’t have a fat ass. I gain weight not in the mid section, doesn’t make me less fat when I gain weight just because the waist stays slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:45 AM
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I guess when you are used to fucking amazing, very good or not bad feels ”terrible”. How did she do with the self esteem issue? I think that’s maybe harder because it’s responding to yourself rather than your environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:00 AM
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Nope, fat is thiccc. What you call slim is BMI 24 or so. Actually being slim (and not even thin, just in good shape) is a disadvantage because you aren’t as ”juicy” or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:06 AM
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At 27-30? Usually there is no visible change for a woman at that age. Drier skin I guess happens at 30. Is it an american thing since you are so close to the equator?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:05 AM
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Yeah men will say that and then go and search ”hot milf” on 🌽hub…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:04 AM
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I think this is very true and many people brush it of as vanity and don’t understand how hard it feels. It’s about the loss, not neccesarily that the end result is bad in itself. What did she learn?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:03 AM
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I don’t know really. But as said female sexuality and sex drive is related to feeling confident in appereance and sex appeal. When women do it they get validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 01:41 AM
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Yes! I don’t want any casual sex at all, all those options don’t matter. SMV is not about sexually being desired by many men and actually having them as options and using them, but to leverage the one so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 01:33 AM
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Serious and stable but someone they can have fun with too. Like the man with a stable home to after traveling sort of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:59 PM
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I know, I meant that it‘s probably genetically designed that way to increase reproductive success.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 01:26 PM
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It’s maybe a taste wise adjusting or cope given their options. It’s good for them if they prefer women other men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 03:13 AM
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Also, “oh men would date anyone”. If a man truly doesn’t care that’s not something positive from a woman’s perspective! Truly, getting to know that “fat, skinny, large or small breasts don’t matter” might even be a dealbreaker. One person I knew had very specific preferences which aligned perfectly with how I looked. (healthy lower end BMI, small WHR, larger breasts but like, naturally large, smaller frame). He said he would consider around 20% of women “attractive enough”. He would clearly thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:02 PM
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There are a subset of men considered “fat admirers”. Most men find BMI 18.5-20 ideal, but a subset of men like a lot of different body types but even prefer fatter women which other men ditch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:53 PM
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Yes! I’m 116 lbs, 5’4, 0.65 WHR, small frame and would in terms of cup volume fit in a 75E bra or now slimmer 75D (but I have a narrow ribcage and would wear 65 so it’s 65G or spill out at 65F). I was told my breasts were not big and that I was not ideal, I needed to gain weight. Ideal is fatter. Where I live I don’t see fat people, and I just don’t see women with proportionally larger breasts than me. Well, except for implants but most people don’t go larger. In my perception, being fat is a be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:51 PM
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That’s not something in favour of men. “Oh I like everything” is not a good selling point for men. If I have a trait considered desireable by people with options or just the average guy, someone saying “oh I don’t care” is not something I take positively. That’s only positive for a woman who is fat (though I’m questioning the narrative that fat is a bad thing), for other women it’s like intentionally lowering their MV.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:42 PM
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No, men seem to like a bit higher BPF. It’s a disadvantage to be slim even if hourglass because it means you are less “thicc” (by virtue of your size). Slim frame is also a disadvantage because you look slimmer when you have less broad bones and muscles. This american standard is spreading to the EU as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:40 PM
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Today a lot of men have adjusted their preference towards fatness. Being slim and hourglass etc. is not something desireable anymore. Look at “Baby got back” and who were supposed to represent big butts. Those women have really good butts for being slim but nowadays someone would think a BMI 30 woman is preferable. The looks hierarchy is reversed. Same goes for breasts. It’s a prerequisite to be fat essentially. Back in the days or according to studies the ideal was slim, low side of healthy BMI…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:34 PM
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But getting bored is not about polygamy or the nature of getting bored but because men on general don’t have a grasp on female sexuality. So women get less interested and have less sex with their partners. Like polygamist tendencies maybe it can be called I don’t know. Humans are monogamous and it’s deemed to more effective for men too, but not “regardless of what”. If a man is not “reproducing” and a woman does not ensure commitment, then that might lead to wanting to look for another partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:23 AM
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I guess there are exceptions but this also shows the purpose of red pillers. This guy doesn’t seem emotionally mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:22 AM
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Yeah I think TRP might apply to low quality men and women. That’s what I read about AFFBB as a study. Only women with low mate value practice it. For others it is two forces who go a bit against each other and women try to find one man who has both.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:14 AM
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Women tend to drop in desire towards their men after a while, usually because he doesn’t pursue her and puts in the same effort again. Women grow bored quicker of the sec than the man does but it’s because it becomes worse. I was in a relationship for 7 year. It really comes and goes and was the best quite a while in. According to studies both men and women are monogamous mostly, yet men are slightly more polygamous than women. If it was so opposite “women are monogamous and men polygamous” we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:11 AM
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