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Well, according to some of the kookier feminists, bullets, torpedoes, missiles, skyscrapers and yes even planes are phallic symbols, so you may be onto something. Don't even get them started on the Washington monument.
/r/MensRights04/12/15 03:31 AM
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False. Female judges are even more likely to give women the pussy pass than their male counterparts. http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6809&context=jclc
/r/MensRights04/12/15 03:16 AM
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But when police found she had the phone, she tried to blame her son I'm on the verge of rage-quitting Men's Rights.
/r/MensRights04/12/15 02:40 AM
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Republicans have historically taken the same stance on anarchists, communists, and "Islamic terrorists," sorry to say. Guilty until proven innocent. I think it's important to recognize our own biases. The modern "left" has failed miserably on the issue of due process rights for men accused of sexual crimes; the right has failed miserably on due process rights for men accused of "terrorism," even though many "terrorist plots" are essentially engineered by the FBI and various intelligence agencies…
/r/MensRights04/12/15 02:29 AM
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if a wife owned property before marriage, the husband would become the legal owner of her property (to her exclusion). So women could own property then. Feminists told me they couldn't. And once they were married they could run up debts and the husband would have to pay for them. Not too shabby. I wonder why women desired to get married if the institution was so oppressive? Internalized misogyny? ;) wives were permitted to own, buy, and sell property! I may be wrong about this, but weren't husba…
/r/MensRights04/12/15 01:23 AM
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Excellent. Nice addition to AVFM. All feminists (99.9% or more) believe that “patriarchy” (rule of the fathers) is the cause of all the negative things in the world, so, if the feminist in question sees divorce as a bad thing, the odds are close to one hundred percent that she will blame “patriarchy” as a proxy for blaming men – in this case, for divorce, despite the fact that 2/3 of the people who file for divorce are women. Blaming the “patriarchy” in this case is a political ploy to deflect c…
/r/MensRights04/12/15 12:41 AM
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“Well, I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved on evidence,” Clinton responded. So...guilty until proven innocent. Isn't that, you know, the exact opposite of how our legal systems are supposed to function?
/r/MensRights03/12/15 09:55 PM
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Another home-run by Janice. "Anti-sex, anti-love, anti-human leviathan." An excellent description of feminism.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 09:21 PM
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This could also be an opportunity. The boys can reject feminism and quote people like Warren Farrell. They can do reports featuring video clips by Karen Straughan. They can cite statistics showing that males are now the disadvantaged sex. Etc.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 09:04 PM
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"Everything is sexist" - Anita Sarkeesian
/r/MensRights03/12/15 08:55 PM
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Janet Bloomfield has an interesting take on this. She welcomes combat units for women but only if the men and women are segregated. If they are eg 50-50 the men will have to pick up all the slack, increasing risk; additionally, the male protective instinct will cause the men to protect the women, thereby putting their own lives in danger at the expense of group cohesion. Sexual dynamics will also diminish the "brotherhood" and cause conflict. However, if there are women-only teams the females wi…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 08:46 PM
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Yes that actually makes sense.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 07:34 AM
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Take it up with the state department imbecile.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 07:28 AM
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Did you miss the part where she was talking about AMERICAN patriarchy, and gave you a specific timeline (18th century to 20th century)? No. That's why I explicitly referred to those time-frames. That has zero to do with queens and ancient Egypt. I wasn't talking about "queens" but ordinary women. Women in Ancient Egypt had same legal rights as men: http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/world/2015/08/13/31628859/ It says "women," not "queens." You're also throwing out strawman arguments by claiming…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 06:38 AM
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Women were discouraged and even prevented from participating in a vast majority of fields, and could generally only find "assistant" work (i.e: typist) or "craftwork" (i.e: seamstress).' Would you prefer they worked as coal miners, lumberjacks and soldiers? I didn't think so. So even if women wanted to participate in all those things, most of them simply weren't allowed. False. Women were indeed "allowed" to enter said fields. Throughout history there have been women called "Queens", for example…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 06:01 AM
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Remember 10 years Go being a feminist was about getting longer maternity leave It was also about the Duluth Model, which criminalizes male victims of domestic violence; distorting statistics about rape; falsely claiming that male rape victims aren't actual victims (Marry Koss); spreading disinformation that males receive a larger paycheck than females "for the exact same work"; demonizing male sexuality; openly arguing for the destruction of the family; claiming that masculinity is responsible f…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 05:00 AM
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Cheers brother.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 04:40 AM
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I suspect it can go either way. I was lucky enough to have loving parents who never divorced, so I can't say I really understand the experience of boys raised by feminist single mothers. But I imagine that for every boy who is twisted into a simpering white knight, there is another who becomes a misogynist (hating every woman except his mother, of course, ie displaced aggression). In any case, single mom households are certainly not healthy as a rule. Often the boy will be subjected to parental …
/r/MensRights03/12/15 04:28 AM
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Fair enough. I would love to see both Karen and Milo do an AMA on r/MensRights.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 04:01 AM
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It would also mean that women would have to die on average as early as men; make up 50% of workplace deaths; be imprisoned as much as men and for equal lengths of time; receive an equal amount of health care funding to men; etc. etc. Feminists are decidedly NOT supportive of equality of outcome. They are female supremacists.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 03:20 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3v5c1o/man_fired_over_calling_feminist_clementine_ford_a/
/r/MensRights03/12/15 03:05 AM
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I can't remember the exact wording, but she was challenged on the "feminist" label recently. She said something like, "if it pisses you off, imagine how much it pisses off feminists." There is something to be said about allowing feminists an "out", ie allowing them to keep their identity while supporting men's rights. Sun Tzu argued that you should never leave your enemy with no choice but to fight you.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 03:03 AM
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Traditional conservatives have never actively stood in the way of the MRM or any of our goals. I'm gonna have to strongly disagree on that one. Hell just last month: Of the 2.2 million people incarcerated in the United States, about half are parents, and at least 1 in 5 has a child support obligation. For most, the debt will keep piling up throughout their imprisonment: By law or by practice, child support agencies in much of the country consider incarceration a form of “voluntary impoverishment…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 02:53 AM
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So you think people who say mean things on Twitter should lose their jobs?
/r/MensRights03/12/15 02:36 AM
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He's really an excellent advocate for men and boys. He's decent, I agree. I was referring to his far right wing politics. Many of the issues affecting men derive from traditional conservatism, which he supports.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 02:32 AM
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He knows he would suffer some pretty severe criticism (as well as applause) if he did an AMA on r/Mensrights, so evidently he's taking the easy route and going to a right wing safe space.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 02:25 AM
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but when a woman gets shot in the head for trying to receive an education, that is oppression. I thought we were talking about the first world? If you want to discuss atrocities in war zones then we can, but it's not particularly relevant. when women are stereotyped and treated like idiots when they're in stem fields Evidence? Last I heard women received a 2:1 advantage in STEM. That's discrimination against men, not women. being harassed on the street is awful and often fucking terrifying. don'…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 02:22 AM
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i do care about boys and men and i do want to fight for their rights but it pisses me off that all the people here mock feminists for bitching about being oppressed saying irrational nonsense and then do the exact same shit I'll try to explain this in simple language. Oppression means the exercise of "unjust power." When a feminist is upset about a man sitting comfortably on the subway, that is not oppression. When a man is forced to pay alimony to his wife under threat of incarceration, and can…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 01:34 AM
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Ford is one of the most loathesome feminists on the planet. Right up there with Marcotte. Strangely, a lot of MRA's are defending her on the other thread, insisting that saying a mean thing to a woman on twitter should result in losing one's livelihood. When even MRA's are defending "special snowflake" policies on social media you know we are in deep, deep trouble.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 01:21 AM
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neither men nor women have it worse The stats say otherwise, and by massive margins: http://www.realsexism.com Unlike feminists, men are not playing the victim. Men and boys are being victimized -- period. No man wants to admit this because it goes against our gender role and our natural instincts. But after 150 years of feminism we really have no choice but to fight back. We've tried ignoring them. We've tried mocking them. We've tried obliging them. But it is never enough. They keep passing mo…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 01:13 AM
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"I'm raising my son to hate himself and become a doormat for the opposite sex." Sickening. I hope these idiots realize that boys are already perfectly capable of expressing their feelings. The reason we have traditionally taught boys to develop stoic traits is that -- once puberty hits -- the empathy suddenly disappears, and they have to stand on their own two feet. Men do not have the luxury of behaving like women. Not only are these feminists not helping their boys develop, they are essentiall…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 12:40 AM
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Doesn't seem like your opinion is unpopular here at all. Evidently there are a lot of special snowflakes here who think saying a mean word on twitter is reason enough to rob a man of his livelihood.
/r/MensRights02/12/15 11:53 PM
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The US has supported many Arab nationalist dictators, the key is they do not support communist or Soviet sphere of influence-leaning governments. Nope. Mossadegh drove Communists out of Iran. The State Department described him as "essentially a rich, reactionary feudal minded Persian." But he was falsely portrayed as a Soviet stooge and communist and overthrown by the CIA. His replacement was a fascist. You need to read books not published by the Pentagon, kiddo.
/r/MensRights02/12/15 04:53 AM
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Milo is a far right wing Christian (?), if memory serves. I'm a libertarian socialist but I have no problem making alliances. Presumably right-wingers feel the same about left wing MRA's. We don't need to agree on politics to support men's rights. I do however predict that there will be splits when the movement achieves critical mass. How many right wing MRA's would support a tax increase on the rich to fund homeless shelters? How many left wing MRA's would support ending affirmative action? (I …
/r/MensRights29/11/15 10:06 PM
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You're wrong that feminists get banned from here. But it's certainly true that non-feminists get banned from socialist subs. So I think your sub is a positive development. Cheers.
/r/MensRights29/11/15 09:50 PM
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I appreciate the even-handed response. For the record, I don't think continued invasions and large bombing campaigns is the way to go in the region That's great to hear. And many, many distinguished former intelligence officials from CIA and other Western intelligence agencies have argued same. The question naturally arises as to why Western powers continue to pursue policies that exacerbate terrorism rather than alleviating it. Here I might quote Cicero: "The sinews of war are infinite money." …
/r/MensRights29/11/15 02:48 AM
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They honor kill their rape victims. http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-censorship/honor-killings-and-husband-killings-what-they-wont-tell-you/ Meanwhile the left claims we have a rape culture I'm a leftist and do not believe that we have a rape culture. They stone women to death for minor transgressions. As they do men, and much more often. It could even be argued that primitive Islamic tribal societies are more gender egalitarian than our own. In the aforementioned societies both men…
/r/MensRights29/11/15 01:10 AM
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But...womynz have no institutional power! And feminists are totally, like, anti-establishment!
/r/MensRights29/11/15 12:41 AM
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Evidently not, since I'm currently being downvoted (though still currently at plus 2) ;) Edit: down to zero now. Such much for MRA's placing facts before emotion.
/r/MensRights29/11/15 12:38 AM
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Islam is a barbaric religion Pretty much all major religions are "barbaric" in the sense that they derive from the values of people who lived hundreds or thousands of years ago. There is no evidence that Islam is any more "barbaric" than Judaism or Christianity. Indeed Muslim women were given rights to divorce long before their Christian counterparts. All of the Abrahamic holy books contain passages endorsing atrocities. Eg Samuel 15: 1-3 "Thus says the Lord of hosts, 'I will punish the Amalekit…
/r/MensRights29/11/15 12:26 AM
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Long post as I think this is an important issue. I am a traditional leftist in my politics but anti-feminist and anti-SJW. I also hang out with feminists in my social circles, so perhaps I can help explain what is going on here. Simply put: Janet's theory is false. I am hoping that I will not be down-voted just for expressing a different opinion. [Edit: predictably I am being downvoted below by feelz before realz MRA's. Tribalism is intense; perhaps women aren't the only ones who allow irrationa…
/r/MensRights28/11/15 09:58 PM
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Don't impart your disability onto others.
/r/MensRights26/11/15 04:13 AM
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I didn't say anything about a percentage. I don't know what ADHD's rate of occurrence is, but I'd wager a guess that it's anywhere between 5-15%. So you would drug 10 percent of children? Sorry, I stopped right there.
/r/MensRights26/11/15 03:12 AM
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I fully sympathize with you. But don't you fucking dare try to claim that 20 percent of young boys need to be medicated. That's just fucking sick. You piece of shit.
/r/MensRights26/11/15 02:55 AM
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Sorry I don't quite get it. Yes take precautions. That's really all there is to it. Take fucking precautions. Why not?
/r/MensRights26/11/15 01:12 AM
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Hey, those aliens are friends of mine.
/r/MensRights26/11/15 12:51 AM
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we don't understand the brain well enough to put children on these powerful drugs. On that we can agree.
/r/MensRights26/11/15 12:34 AM
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I'm pretty sure that 20% of boys aren't defective. So fuck you. I had a childhood friend who could take apart and re-assemble just about any piece of machinery. He was diagnosed with "ADHD", became increasingly strange, and committed suicide in highschool. I'm not claiming that a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of boys may need some sort of treatment in this regard. But I'm pretty sure it's not 20 percent, and you are also failing to recognize that the symptoms of "ADHD" are pretty much identical to t…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 11:41 PM
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That's an interesting point and I don't think you should be being downvoted. But remember that feminist history is revisionist history. Cleopatra was not oppressed. And no man in history has ever sent off women to die, unlike most female rulers from Cleopatra to Margaret Thatcher. A recent paper here noted that Queens were MORE likely to engage in war than their kingly counterparts. Edit: the alleged "powerlessness" of women throughout history is also absurd, considering that women were able to …
/r/MensRights25/11/15 11:37 PM
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whereas males are structurally in power Are blacks in power because Obama is President? No. Politicians don't give the slightest fuck about "average" people, especially not poor people, whether black, white, red, yellow, trans, male, female, little grey alien. Identity Politics is obvious nonsense. Marx must be rolling over in his grave.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 11:22 PM
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Men's Rights Edmonton did exactly that. In response to an appalling "don't be that guy" campaign by the Canadian government, which basically said, -- "hey douchebag, don't get a chick drunk and fuck her while she's unconscious, mmmkay?" they put up posters saying "don't be that girl," which urged women not to claim "rape" after waking up next to some guy that she wouldn't have fucked if she were sober. The response by feminists and the police was less than laudatory.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 11:19 PM
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Don't worry, not all of us are racist assholes. I fully support the MRM in India. You guys are actually way ahead of us.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 11:03 PM
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They didn't have the internet in the early 20's. Just FYI. We have achieved more growth in the last year than the previous hundred years.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 10:58 PM
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Try to remember that my post was about how most women are NOT on our side. I know you'd deal with that if you could. But you can't. So you're trying to deflect criticism from women and put the blame on some other group. Whatever. I agree with you that most women are not on our side -- at present. I'm also willing to admit that women do not have the same degree of empathy toward men as vice versa, and that there is probably an evolutionary reason for this. I'm not opposed to MGTOW either -- I sup…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 09:08 PM
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You are seeing more and more people freaking out at the harder and harder to hide injustices. You are not seeing any change in TPTB though, are you...? Major social change seldom happens over night. The MRM has only entered the public debate in the past few years.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:59 PM
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They're not the ones who wanted no-fault divorce. They got their asses run over on that one. Probably the most well-known no-fault law was enacted in the state of California, and signed by Governor Ronald Reagan, coming into effect on January 1, 1970 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fault_divorce What about abortion? So what we see historically is that Roe v. Wade faced six Republican-appointed Justices, five of whom ruled in favor of Roe. http://vox-nova.com/2008/05/21/are-liberal-judges-to-bla…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:55 PM
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That's not what I'm seeing. I'm seeing more and more people rejecting feminism and speaking out in support of men's rights.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:45 PM
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It's not men, or even social conservatives, fighting shared parenting all across the country. If I'm not mistaken Repubilcans have repeatedly blocked attempts to reform child support laws so that men don't get imprisoned if they come up short. I haven't heard any Republicans demanding that men not be subjected to draconian punishments. Or decriminalizing drugs and prostitution. Or that men not be subject to the draft. Or not be raped in prison. Or ending MGM. Or ending the Duluth model. In fact …
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:36 PM
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I honestly think most men's and father's groups (National Parents Organization comes to mind) would be better off running PSAs for men to avoid marriage and family. Resources being diverted to "education" would be better spent by educating men to avoid marriage and family, rather than trying to convince people men are something other than ATMs and cannon fodder. Okay, well I can respect that argument as it at least offers a path forward.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:31 PM
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No, he's definitely got a better understanding of free speech than you do. Posts are routinely deleted by the mods here with the suggestion that they should take it to "men's rants." That would be my suggestion for GoHo, whose posts seem like a feminist caricature of an MRA. If a poster was constantly spamming "I hate niggers" or "I hate jews" 100 times a day he's simply derailing fruitful discussion and wasting everyone's time.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:29 PM
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Absolutely. Appeasement didn't work for the Nazis and won't work for feminists either.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:23 PM
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The Guardian, a once reputable publication, will be recognized by future historians in the same manner as "The Daily Caucasian" and other white supremacist newspapers from the reconstruction era in the US.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:14 PM
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you're delusional Perhaps. But consider this: when the lesbian Norah Vincent tried living as a man for six months, she started with the preconception that men lived life on easy mode. In short order she came to the exact opposite conclusion, recognizing that females are the privileged sex. She also stated that women haven't the slightest clue how hard it is for men and boys. Add feminist dogma and revisionist history and you have a poisonous mix. If females aren't naturally inclined to empathize…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 08:07 PM
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I'm not unaware that "free speech" in the context of this sub means "say whatever I like." It means we can have different views on feminism, politics etc. If my every second post amounted to, "women are nothing but cunts and gold-digging whores" I would expect to be banned.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 07:35 PM
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We have a woman problem. I disagree. But let's assume you're right. What is your solution? Seems to me that there are only three solutions: MGTOW Overthrow your government and re-institute some sort of patriarchy (you sure as hell won't be able to vote in a patriarchy considering that women make up the majority of voters). The Men's Rights Movement I don't see how we are helping (3) if we prove our critics right by blaming "women" rather than feminism. And really, that would make us no better th…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 07:32 PM
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I suggested that when the guy first started posting. I have no idea why he hasn't been banned. Although considering that he spends about 8 hours a day on the forum he would just create another username. The interesting thing is that almost half of his posts are perfectly logical.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 07:18 PM
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Perhaps this will enlighten you: Since the publication of Edward Said's Orientalism in 1978, however, much academic discourse has used the term "Orientalism" in reference to a patronizing Western attitude towards Middle Eastern, Asian and North African societies. In Said's analysis, the West essentializes these societies as static and undeveloped—thereby fabricating a view of Oriental culture that can be studied, depicted, and reproduced. Implicit in this fabrication, writes Said, is the idea th…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 07:10 PM
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Great post minibagel. It is depressing to see how easy it is to turn men against one another when you introduce the issues of race and nationality. Men in India are not fundamentally different than men anywhere else. All societies are gynocentric. Under patriarchies both men and women have their advantages/disadvantages. It's just that when it comes to third world countries we only ever hear about the problems faced by women. Introducing feminism to India would be just as catastrophic as it has …
/r/MensRights25/11/15 06:59 PM
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Women are extremely oppressed in India Horeshit. You're simply a racist who likes to think your culture is vastly superior to any culture populated by brown people.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 06:51 PM
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You will never get anywhere as many female MRAs as there are male feminists. I'm not convinced. I think most women are simply ignorant of the problems affecting men. The internet has the potential to fundamentally alter the dynamic.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 06:31 PM
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There have been cases of feminists trolling this board, leaving misogynistic comments, then having other feminists upvote them. Just something to keep in mind. There are no doubt a small number of misogynists who post here, but they are usually downvoted. The vast majority of us agree with OP. I think any fair person would have to admit, however, that there does seem to be a pretty large empathy gap between the sexes, and it's natural for men to be angry when their suffering is met with mockery …
/r/MensRights25/11/15 06:29 PM
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Looks like a great sub but sadly there aren't many posts there.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 07:22 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels.html WASHINGTON — A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers. The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being f…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 05:53 AM
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Well that's a relief, I suppose.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 05:48 AM
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We demonize white people as much these days as middle-eastern ones. But that's not why we don't want refugees from Syria. We don't want them because we don't owe them anything and they pose a serious threat to western life. You do realize that there wouldn't be a problem if the US and its proxies hadn't been funding radical Islamists in Libya and Syria and creating a civil war to topple Assad? You personally may not be responsible for these actions but to the extent that you support covert proxy…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 05:36 AM
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Touche.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 04:31 AM
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Essential viewing.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 03:18 AM
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Today, in affluent liberal societies, women and men have gained unprecedented freedom from traditional rules. Fixed that for Cathy. She is also strangely silent on the paradox revealed by the Scandinavian nations and the Israeli Kibbutz: the more freedom men and women have, the more likely they are to gravitate toward traditional gender roles. The mistake feminists make (including Young, who is one of the saner gender ideologues) is that because they liked playing with trucks instead of dolls th…
/r/MensRights25/11/15 03:09 AM
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People are upset that a free (karma) yoga class was cancelled for what appear to be dubious and unfounded reasons. I think there has been a trend of over-accommodating entitled young persons that is leading to the censoring of free speech. People cherish free speech and free expression, so people’s frustration with the larger issue of walking on eggshells so as to protect the “feelings” of overly entitled so-called “crybullies” is being channeled into this because it’s such a clear-cut case of a…
/r/MensRights24/11/15 10:16 PM
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Amending University and College Policies Colleges and universities in the United States have already started the process of drafting policies with respect to sexual assault and harassment. These policies have been criticized for being overly draconian and for violating due process. Recently, a number of Harvard Law professors openly criticized Harvard’s new sexual assault and harassment policies as violating an accused’s individual liberty and rights. What standard will colleges and universities…
/r/MensRights24/11/15 10:06 PM
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I can't believe this woman still has a job. Why aren't the parents getting involved?
/r/MensRights24/11/15 09:53 PM
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What a brave young man. He should start recording the actions of the feminists attacking him and upload the footage to the web. See how they like being bullied.
/r/MensRights24/11/15 09:49 PM
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Female "privilege" is not being able to walk down the street at night without being afraid of being grabbed by some creepy fucking psycho. Men are much more likely to be attacked by some "creepy fucking psycho" while "walking down the street at night." Perhaps you need to work on not being a chickenshit. Female "privilege" is being labelled as a 'slut' if you have respect for your own sexuality, whereas a man is respected for the same exact thing. Take it up with your sisters. The reason slut-sh…
/r/MensRights24/11/15 06:56 PM
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