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Lol @ “light up a room.” If that is what “the wall” means, then it exists for only like 15% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:34 PM
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Having a different perspective isn’t lying, dude. I haven’t accused you of lying. Have some basic decency in an argument. My point throughout this conversation has been that sexism is never justified but the context of what’s being said matters. We aren’t even arguing about anything meaningful anymore. Take care.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:28 AM
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I DARE you to point to where I was "justifying" mens sexism Lmao, you were justifying it on the basis that it’s a “backlash” to “anti male rhetoric.” And you’ve now repeatedly downplayed blatant misogynistic comments that are pervasive in manosphere spaces on the basis that they’re either equivalent to what women say about men or “just metaphors.” As if “metaphors” can’t be dehumanizing or sexist. Please take this opportunity to clarify and condemn sexism against women if I’m somehow mistaken. C…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 04:58 PM
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Alright, I think we’re done here. No one in that thread used the word “evil.” Some of the comments were ridiculously over the top and I would call them sexist; some I would not call sexist. Not sure what more you want. Women have suffered oppression and mistreatment from men for centuries. It’s real shit that goes way beyond comments on the internet and it has destroyed women’s lives. And there is still significant social and political inequality in the west, to say nothing about the rest of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 01:40 PM
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If you are generalizing a whole sex as evil then that is textbook sexism I agree. Some of those comments were on the verge of saying that, and I agree they’re sexist. I disagree that those comments represent anywhere close to the majority of the comments on TwoX, and it sounds like I’ve spent more time there than you have. About 1/3 of the posts there are literally women seeking help and support for sexual assault and abuse they’ve suffered at the hands of men. you can prattle on about oppressio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 11:20 PM
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Ok, this is too much to respond to in detail. I don’t agree that even an unhealthy obsession with your own perceived oppression necessarily makes a person sexist. It can, but it’s not automatic. I think many of those comments are hyperbolic, and might even agree some are sexist. But they are equivalent to many things I’ve seen on here from men who make negative generalizations about women, and if those are the worst examples you can find on TwoX, they pale in comparison to other comments I’ve se…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:59 PM
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Look, if you don’t believe women have legitimate claims of discrimination and oppression, past or present, then every conversation about that obvious fact will strike you as “misandrist.” Facts matter, history matters, and certain groups of people have very legitimate complaints about social, political, and economic inequality. You can disagree with those claims and/or argue about the extent to which those conditions still exist today, but they are not ipso facto sexist/racist/whatever just beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 05:48 PM
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Yeah, read the second paragraph of my last comment again. This is exactly what I mean. I think a lot of the posts on TwoX are circle jerk self-defeatism and oppression porn, and that’s why I don’t go there much. But to insist that posts and comments like that are remotely equivalent to the pervasive, in your face misogyny that you see in manosphere spaces is just a straight up lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:06 AM
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I'll give you a C+ for effort at trying to explain away the rank misogyny in each of those examples. Not even close on the first and third one. And I'm really doubting the pervasiveness of comments on TwoX that expressly say "men are evil." I just searched on there and found a single example with no upvotes. So, I'm not buying that. There is a substantial difference between complaining about how members of the other sex have treated you and sometimes making unfair generalizations about them and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:31 PM
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You really think this sub is more anti female than a sub like twoxchromosomes is anti male? Obviously, yes. Find me comments on TwoX equivalent to calling women "the inferior form of human," joking about "human trafficking" women, and whatever the hell this is, and then we'll talk. Those examples don't even scratch the surface of the shit I've seen on PPD. The tendency of some men on here to resort to violent fantasies and claims that women shouldn't have any civil rights is astounding. I have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:22 PM
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It’s called a durable power of attorney and it’s been recognized in every US state since god knows when.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:18 AM
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Define “inordinate commitment.” What are men who are obsessed with the sexual histories of their partners providing to women that men who don’t have this particular issue are not? I think it’s far more about the man needing to feel “special” himself. And his inclination to see sex as fundamentally debasing to women and women as trophies rather than partners. Every woman you’ve ever wanted, or gone on a date with, or had sex with, or dated seriously, or married has had sexual thoughts about many …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:55 PM
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That was a lot of words to just say that those men don’t respect women as full people with their own interests and set of desires, see sex as something that is done “to” women rather than something women independently seek out, and feel like they own their partner’s sexuality. without that veneer of specialness, if a man saw his woman like any other woman,as just a woman, it would be very very hard for that man to make extraordinary commitment to an ordinary person. And yet somehow women (and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:56 PM
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The consequences are irrelevant. Consequences are everything. I care about equal rights. Hilarious. And it wouldn’t be forced birth because you signed up for that when you engaged in sex. “Forced birth” is exactly what outlawing a safe and effective procedure that ends pregnancy would amount to. You have no concept of what the physical consequences of pregnancy are for women; I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy to be forced to go through that against their will. End of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 07:16 PM
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First, let us revisit the absurd initial statement you made: Men do not ‘control where they put their sperm’ Next: Men should just be able to give notice and opt out as well. Abortion is the right to end a biological process occurring inside a woman’s body. Women have no right that men do not also have to “opt out” of financially providing for an existing child. The consequences of this absurd policy would be that (1) abortions will skyrocket because men will be “opting out” left and right and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 07:01 PM
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Lol, this conversation started with you claiming men have no control over whether they reproduce. It took a while, but hopefully that’s been settled. I definitely acknowledged a certain type of inequality, but not the one you’re suggesting. “Post conception rights” for men would just further entrench women’s inequality and would immensely disadvantage children. It’s a ridiculously terrible and untenable solution that will never be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:22 PM
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This is completely absurd, and I have to assume you’re trolling. If you don’t want to get someone pregnant, take responsibility for yourself like an adult and sort out a form of contraception that works for you and your sexual partner. Last time I checked, men control their own dicks; it’s an appendage of your body. There is no equality in reproduction. The fundamental biological inequality is that women bear the entire physical burden of pregnancy and labor. That’s why abortion is her right, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:02 PM
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Lmao, do you have hands? Put a fucking condom on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:25 PM
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Dude WHAT? This is too much, even for this sub. Never thought I’d see the day where a red piller claims he literally has no control over where he ejaculates. If your jizz free flows out of your penis like menstrual blood, you should seek immediate medical attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:20 PM
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Wut? This has to be a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:08 PM
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Having a choice about how your relationships are structured is a fundamental component of equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:05 PM
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Hear hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:01 PM
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Dude, no. A human being cannot have an orgasm if the organ that causes orgasms isn’t being stimulated. How are you not grasping this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:56 PM
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I get what you’re saying. But a lot of bad things have been the default for centuries, including women’s wholesale subservience to men, and those things have and can change. It took me several years of shit sex with different men to start demanding what I want and need. Sure enough, I now enjoy the sex I have, and PIV has been less than 50% of my sex life for years. You seem to be approaching this from the perspective that women just need to adapt to what it is men want and expect. I completely …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:50 PM
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I just don't buy the idea that the relative rarity of female orgasm is due to negligent men without a master's qualification in clitoral stimulation. That’s not at all what I said. Read it again. These parts of the anatomy are very much adjacent; an adjustment in angle of penetration would help increase pleasure. The clitoris and the penis are made of the same tissue. Try having an orgasm sometime without direct stimulation of your penis. I’m sure you’ll find it very difficult. In many cases wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 07:08 AM
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Pelvic floor muscle spasms. No idea what you mean by this. There's women who can orgasm with barely any physical contact... probably not with an average man though. There are also men who can do this. It’s a minuscule number. Your comments suggest a lot of confusion about women’s sexual functioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:29 AM
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The mechanics of having an orgasm don’t depend on your level of attraction to your partner. Obviously lack of arousal would also contribute, but I’m talking about basic anatomy. PIV is an incredibly indirect way of stimulating the clitoris, and for most women it will never be enough to reach orgasm, “despite their partners doing everything they can,” if “everything they can” only includes PIV. > From an evo perspective the female orgasm exists to raise the chances of conception I’ve never heard …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:33 AM
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This makes me sad, and it is not my experience of sex as a woman. What you’re describing is absolutely the traditional conception of sex, which is very one-sided in favor of men’s pleasure. And it’s definitely true, as you describe, that many women don’t experience orgasm or much pleasure during partnered sex with men, primarily because most men are focused on PIV and the vast majority of women don’t orgasm from that. But sex is only “for men” if we let our antiquated social scripts win out. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:55 AM
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Username on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:52 AM
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The look threshold can be higher or lower depending on how much the man compensated with other things (rich, famous, money, status) and a man with good looks needs far less of the others than the other way around “Rich, famous, money, status” all = status. Having status within whatever social context, usually combined with the positive personality traits that got him there, can make a man more attractive. and a man ugly enough likely won't be able to make up for it regardless of what else he has…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:49 AM
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Third, the premise of this post is a pointless pissing match over who has it worse. These posts and posts like it do nothing to heal the divide between men and women, which is what this sub should be about. I have no immediate comment on anything else you’ve said, but I did have to laugh at this. The entire purpose of this sub is to have a pointless pissing match over who has it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:51 AM
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There’s a lot to respond to here. But I’ll just note a few things: A ton of women who say that appearance doesn't matter nearly as much as personality, or charm, or having the spark, the chemistry. That is definitively not the same as saying appearance doesn’t matter or isn’t a significant component, which is what you claimed above that women were saying. What those women are saying aligns with how my attraction works, and I imagine the vast majority of women would endorse the same thing. A guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:37 AM
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coming from the gender that assumes the worst in men over a... handful of comments Lmao, I should have noticed the “black pill” flair before I tried to engage with you. then why is OP telling men to read romance novels to better understand a small percentage of women who are old you cant have it both ways. There’s this amazing concept where two distinct people can have different perspectives. Have a wonderful day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:37 PM
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First of all, you can’t assume anything from a handful of Reddit comments. and who cares about percentage Lol. If it came out that 2% of women read one or more romance novels per year, and the average reader is 42 years old, I would hope you’d be open to changing your mind about how representative those books are of women’s general preferences in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:06 PM
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No, I don’t think women complaining about those tropes proves your point. I think the existence of those tropes in romance novels shows there’s a market for erotic novels containing them. So, yes, some portion of women like reading stuff like that. How is that a revelation? And what percentage of women even read romance novels with any regularity? Is it even 5%?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 07:38 PM
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Most people lie to themselves about one thing or another, but the attraction one seems to be extremely consistent and prevalent across most women I've ever met, talked to, or heard talk about what they find attractive. I don't claim to know better than them how their own attraction works, I just notice how consistently what they say and what they believe about their attraction, consistently fails to match up with the choices and actions they take. The two cannot be true without there being some …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 07:24 PM
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You just accused “most” women of not understanding how their own attraction works and “lying to themselves” about it. The number of times I’ve seen claims like this on here from men is truly amazing. I can’t even imagine the level of inflated ego a person must have to assume they know better than another person how that person’s own attraction works. As I’m sure you’ve heard, women are not visually stimulated the way men are. There are many other, more seemingly subtle factors at play in women’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 06:18 PM
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Lmao, and it’s impossible to have a discussion with someone who reflexively accuses you of lying or being too dumb to understand yourself. You could not be more condescending if you tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:10 PM
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So your conclusion from a series of posts by women complaining about the depiction of men in romance novels is…that all women are happy with that depiction??
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:09 PM
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Yeah, hard to tell. 6 tops, probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:53 AM
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https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-photos-of-men-considered-average-looking-by-women The first guy is very much a “5” to me, or maybe a “5.5,” just going off his face. The others are all below that. Really, you need to see someone’s full body (in motion) to judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:36 AM
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Non sequitur. Men place far more emphasis on looks than women do. Men have the ability to compensate for less than stellar looks with other traits; women do not. If you are surprised to learn after reaching adulthood that the less physically attractive you are, the less attention you’ll get, you’ve been living in a comfortable delusion that no woman has had the luxury of experiencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 07:39 PM
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That’s the root of the fallacy though. It’s markedly easier for a 6’5 guy to slam dunk a basketball than a 5’5 guy, making it less “impressive” for the tall guy to do it. Does that mean the tall dude should be shamed for what comes easier to him? It just doesn’t follow. Something else is going on if his abilities make you want to disparage him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 02:26 AM
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Ha, I was referring specifically to PPD. I’m convinced the women who come here are all masochists. Twitter pales in comparison to the shit I see here on a daily basis. There's a universal shared perspective and comedians that are able to tap into that are the most successful. Ehh, I think it’s obviously true that cultural attitudes play a huge role in what and who is considered funny vs. unfunny. If your fans and detractors basically divide along gender or other group lines, something about thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:16 AM
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I didn’t say anything about introverts vs. extroverts. Being introverted doesn’t mean you can’t be funny or have social skills or social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:32 PM
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🤦🏽‍♂️ You've missed the part where I wrote that men absolutely love funny women. Also, attention seeking behavior from a man is just as unattractive, jokes or no jokes. Alright, I think we just disagree here. I do think (many) men like a certain type of funny woman. But it’s not the same type of “funny” that is accepted and valued in men. Take the exact same behavior, and a man will be labeled hilarious while a woman will be labeled off-putting and attention-seeking. The more vulgar the humor, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:16 PM
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I’m not getting the distinction in this context. People vie for social status with social skills; men often use humor to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:56 PM
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what you've described crosses into attention-seeking behavior. To me a woman who constantly seeks to be the center of attention of a group via humor is no different than IG influencer posting thirst traps to get those likes & views. Distasteful at best, annoying and unhealthy red flag at worst. At no point did I describe a woman “who constantly seeks to be the center of attention.” Being funny among other people will naturally draw attention to you, it’s unavoidable. But you describe the double …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:23 PM
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not once did any of my actual personality, character, values, or interests really come into play in any of those interactions. Superficially maybe, due to the halo effect, but they were never the main factor. This is the same revelation that every reasonably attractive woman has at some point, often before she reaches adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:59 PM
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Understood. I don’t think physical attraction is the only important factor for any healthy person looking for an LTR. But I think it’s obviously true that looks play a greater role in male attraction and longterm relationship satisfaction than they do for women. Some men on here constantly complain that they’ve somehow been “lied” to by women their whole life and have just recently woken up to the uncomfortable reality that merely being a “good person” isn’t enough to attract someone and get lai…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:23 PM
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Being funny is related to social status, and men care less about that in women than women do in men. Many men actively dislike women who seek social status. They don’t like being outshined by women, and being funny can make you the center of attention. Same reason men often have a visceral dislike for female comics. That said, I’ve definitely had men become more interested in me after finding out I’m funny. I have a sort of dry, understated sense of humor though, which I think is more palatable …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:10 AM
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No, actually it isn’t. Women base what is “hot” to them on what other women think or what is trendy. Hence why creatures like Mac Miller, Jeremy Allen White and Pete Davidson are considered sex symbols. Maybe this is true for like 20 year olds, but in my experience this drops away really fast once you're past college age and much more narrowly focused on what you want/like vs. what your friends think. Among my friends, there has always been a lot of disagreement about what guys are attractive. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:21 PM
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It's not that much surprising - but still it is a bit sad that relationships are very transactional and that so many people can be really nice when they want something or feel that you're equal or better, and totally switch their attitude when they consider themselves better. I agree, and think this applies equally to men and women. I have better experience dealing with men - they are less calculated and more naive sometimes, at least when they are young. Keep in mind that men will often treat y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:00 PM
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Can you clarify what you think women are lied to about? My experience has been that men's standards for women are pretty close to what I learned when I was pre-teen/teen.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:38 PM
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I'm continuously amazed that this is a surprising conclusion for men. Women have been bashed over the head their entire lives with the reality that practically the only thing that determines whether men are interested in them is how they look. It's something I understood at age 12. Welcome to the real world I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:17 PM
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I’m not sure what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:33 PM
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This is the last time I’ll interact with you. Downvote away. You keep making false claims. California is not an “exception.” 45 states in the U.S. have anti-discrimination laws applicable to public accommodations, and all of those prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex. A man could absolutely win a lawsuit in those states if a hotel, restaurant, bar, etc. discriminated against him based on his sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:27 AM
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What is “winning” in this situation? Is it just schadenfreude because you feel women are invading male spaces (and what spaces, specifically)? What’s the end goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:08 AM
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No defense? Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:47 AM
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Where did I say or imply that? I find it ironic that blatant sexists are in the comments here lambasting women for not “choosing right” when you are included in the category of men they should avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 10:10 PM
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Alright. I expect total consistency from you then. No man has anyone but himself to blame for how a woman treats him, because he picked her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:41 PM
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You can come up with a better sexist insult than that. Put some thought into it. The principle is the same: you are responsible for your own behavior. The ultimate solution to physical or emotional abuse is to treat your kids well and raise both boys and girls to respect each other and themselves and to know how to set healthy boundaries. People who don’t have that background and skills are susceptible to becoming abusive or being abused, emotionally and/or physically. But it’s pretty safe to as…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:40 PM
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A guy in my neighborhood went on a rampage and shot his wife in the head. Her fault, I’m sure. Or how about my friend’s dad who chased her mom around the house with a knife when she tried to leave him. It’s just so much more logical to blame the woman (because women love assholes, am I right?) than the deranged abusive piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 06:18 PM
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Toxic men don't cause problems for me, they cause more harm to women, it's the women's complains that are annoying. Like date those assholes in peace and shut it, we don't want to hear it What amazingly selfish and cruel things to say. You caring more about “complaints” of abuse than abuse itself is all I need to know about you. Take your own advice and stop complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:16 PM
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Jesus Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:25 PM
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Women's negative comments usually aren't so blatantly ridiculous and awful. But they are pretty close. Sorry, they aren’t pretty close. They’re not even in the same universe. They will run the gamut of gender stereotyping, including, but not limited to, portraying men as soulless automatons only seeking sex, incapable of higher emotions ("those are just code words for sex", etc) Sure, gender stereotyping is pervasive on this sub. It’s sort of the point of the sub. It can feel very unfair and off…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:14 AM
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Private all-male clubs are pressured, sanctioned, smeared and, when all of that fails, sued into bankruptcy by women for the only crime of not accepting women. Let’s stick to the claim you made: “It’s illegal for men to form men-only spaces.” Your first two links have nothing to do with legal challenges or legal rulings. Your third link involves a place of public accommodation — not a private club — and a decision of an administrative law judge that was not a final judgment and had no force of l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:56 AM
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No, it's not. Dude seems to have no understanding of the distinction between a public accommodation and a private club/organization. Sex-based discrimination in public accommodations is prohibited in the vast majority of states, and the laws are equally applicable to discrimination against men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:09 AM
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Fine. I will say, my perspective from what I've seen on here is that women very often go to great lengths to engage with men who harbor immense resentment towards them simply because they are women, and intentionally ignore blatantly sexist insults to do so. Just within the last few weeks, I've experienced: A man going on a rant about how "women are the inferior form of human" and calling me a "dumb bitch" after I challenged him; A guy making a joke(?) about "human trafficking" women; and Anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 11:39 PM
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The unrestrained glee/disgust mixture that women express here at the suffering of loser men is striking. Can you link me to some examples of this? I've been on this sub for over a month and honestly have yet to see this from any woman on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 09:10 PM
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That's not what the article says: males, but not females, are more empathetic towards female targets and targets who they perceive as deserving of help. Females, in contrast, appear more indiscriminately empathetic. Although speculative, it is possible that these sex differences in empathy may be the consequence of different evolutionary selective pressures on males and females, in addition to females’ role as primary caretaker, with females exhibiting stronger links between emotional and cognit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 09:08 PM
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It’s a review of numerous studies over several decades, and it notes where the evidence has been consistent and where more research is needed. The review discusses prosocial behaviors in addition to the ability to recognize others’ emotions. Pretty amazing you were able to dismiss it within five minutes. I’ll go out on a limb and assume you didn’t read even a fraction of it. Replication crisis included, I’d venture to say it’s better evidence than your personal perspective. I’d be interested in …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 09:00 PM
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Your personal views are not borne out by the data: In terms of affective empathy, females, compared to men, show higher emotional responsivity and mirroring responses to others’ pain, as well as better emotion recognition abilities. Relative to men, females also seem to engage more emotional areas during social cognition. Females also tend to show more prosocial, altruistic behavior as well, which supports the notion that affective empathy drives prosocial behavior. On the other hand, when it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 08:26 PM
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What? Multiple experts are quoted in the article as stating that the majority opinion is that’s it’s a statistical phenomenon and not caused by pheromones or some other biological process. At best, the evidence that it happens at all is mixed, and your evolutionary theory about why it happens is completely unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 05:42 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2024/04/22/women-menstruation-periods-synchrony/ The majority opinion is that it is a mathematical coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 04:10 PM
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This. It’s about showing interest and investment, not “dominance” or “leadership.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:50 PM
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As the “dumb bitch” in question, it seems necessary to say that dude was spouting off about how women are “inferior” to men. One click on his profile revealed comments on PPD from the very same day talking about how he “hates” his wife and mentioning he has multiple daughters. Telling him to go fuck himself and divorce his wife seemed quite appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:31 PM
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And what about men who do care for their kids and share domestic chores? And he commits to her alone, too. There are a lot of different ways for a relationship to be unequal. I’m sure you’re aware of the very common modern complaint from women that they are working (ie financially providing for their family) and yet still expected by their husbands to manage the household and perform the majority of domestic chores. I pledge allegiance to no one. You don’t have to “pledge allegiance” to anyone t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:59 PM
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Where does she invest or provide for him? She doesn't. That's the gross imbalance that favors her. He has to work for her, not vice-versa. That's benevolent sexism. That he gets nothing of equal value in return is the problem. She invests by committing to him alone, handling the majority of domestic matters, and carrying, birthing, and caring for their children. That’s basic evo psych. I’m not understanding why you think that’s not something of equal value. Women see the drawbacks of being a kep…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 09:41 PM
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where did you get "benevolently sexist" = "wanting commitment" from that article? It’s in the very first paragraph of the article and the abstract of the study: “We propose an alternative explanation drawn from evolutionary and sociocultural theories on mate preferences: Women find BS men attractive because BS attitudes and behaviors signal that a man is willing to invest. Five studies showed that women prefer men with BS attitudes (Studies 1a, 1b, and 3) and behaviors (Studies 2a and 2b), espec…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 06:12 PM
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From a healthy man’s perspective: Physically attractive to him Fun and not difficult to get along with Roughly equal intelligence Shared values, possibly shared worldview Some overlap in interests Willing to commit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:04 PM
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So have I, as I’ve said, and the vast majority of people will not end up in a relationship like that. Honestly, the article you linked has little bearing on this issue. In 2019, the majority of women said they preferred working outside the home (56% of women vs. 75% of men). Women thinking some “benevolently sexist” ideas are attractive, under those researchers’ own theory, indicates those women are looking for commitment. That’s not “preferential treatment,” it’s a basic desire for security bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 02:44 PM
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🙄wanting a man to provide for you without being subservient to him is the very essence of wanting to be treated better than men. Being provided for is being treated better. Alright, we’re not going to agree. I strongly disagree with you. There are a small number of women in my life who are stay at home mothers while their husbands are the sole income earners. Each of them is providing great value to the life of their partner by taking care of their children and essentially managing the entire ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:58 AM
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Women want all the perks and none of the drawbacks. Lmao okay. Don’t you think men would prefer to maintain the norms from the past that benefit them while shedding the negatives? Nothing in that study says women want to be treated better than men, just that women tend to be more attracted to men who want to keep certain superficially positive aspects of traditional gender roles. I haven’t interrogated the methods of that study, but I’ll accept the results. I would certainly not be represented i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:23 PM
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You are adding your own view that 1950s gender roles result in women being “treated better” than men. That’s an amazing claim, one that I can’t imagine any reasonable person agrees with, and it’s not at all supported by those studies. I have the precisely opposite view. A man who expects a woman to be subservient to him, to defer to him, and to forgo any financial independence of her own, is certainly someone who thinks men deserve preferential treatment in that aspect of their relationship and …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:25 PM
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Women are attracted to benevolent sexism - meaning they want preferential treatment. That’s interesting, but it doesn’t demonstrates that women “want to be treated better than men,” which was your original point. According to that article, “benevolent sexism” = adherence to stereotypes about women and traditional gender roles (i.e., man as provider and woman as dependent), which definitely does not automatically mean “preferential treatment” for women. Does a man who expects to be the “leader” i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:16 AM
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Women want to be treated better than men and be given special privileges, no shit. What’s your basis for believing this? When the chips come down it'll be the man sacrificing for the woman in womanfantasyland. All for nothing in return. I’m literally about to sacrifice my body so that my partner and I can have a child. The odds are very low that he will ever risk his physical health for me to that extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 04:50 PM
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Bold claim. How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 07:50 PM
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Talk to the dude who just repeatedly insisted women are inferior to men and then deleted all his comments. Also, not at all the point I was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:45 PM
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Conversation over. I'll give you some parting advice: Divorce your wife and cut all ties with your daughters. Save them the grief of having to make that decision themselves when they become adults and inevitably must come to terms with having a moron misogynist for a father. You may be the most miserable person I've encountered on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:07 PM
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Dude, I never once said anything about anyone being physically superior or inferior. I don't measure the value of human beings by their physical capabilities. Get it? You are seriously unwell. I see you have a wife you hate and a daughter. Extremely disturbing stuff. You haven't contributed a single useful thought to the conversation. I'm guessing you'll settle for negative attention from women online because your life is so depressing otherwise. Does me telling you to fuck off make you feel bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:43 PM
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Lol, at this point I think it's fair to say *your* brain would be improved with a lobotomy. Please seek help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:27 PM
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Ah yes, silly me for not making a counter argument to “women are the inferior form of human.” Genuinely, what the fuck are you talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:59 PM
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I’m sorry you’re hurting. Is this what you want your life to be? I hope you can claw your way back to the surface someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:44 AM
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Nothing you’re saying has anything to do with my original comment. Go be an hysterical sexist on someone else’s post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:46 PM
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Lmao ok. By that logic, we should eliminate all men’s divisions below the top tier at every age level because those are just “leagues of losers.”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:32 PM
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Huh? What do women’s sports have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:15 PM
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All this falls under the umbrella of power, because it achieves prosperity. I need to think about this more. Some wires are getting crossed here, but I’m having difficulty putting my finger on it. This is such a libfem doublethink that I keep wondering how anyone can say it and not be willfully ignorant about the inherent contradictions. Yeah sure, you're a girlboss outside, but a submissive slave inside and those two are totally, completely, wholly unrelated. What insight do you have into it? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:12 PM
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Masculinity encompasses many traits in addition to and apart from a preoccupation with dominance, aggression, sexual conquest, and power for the sake of power. I'm sure you recognize the downsides of those aspects of masculinity. A man can embody healthy masculinity by being physically and mentally strong, courageous, goal oriented, etc., while not being hellbent on dominating everyone around him. A lot of men like that exist. You also seem to be confusing the concept of "patriarchy," which is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:36 PM
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You’re mixing several concepts together. Masculinity is not the same thing as the patriarchy. Women can be attracted to and value positive aspects of masculinity and still want to work towards a system where men and women share more equal social, economic, and political power. And, yes, obviously women do not want to be considered and treated as second class citizens. I’m surprised any of this is a revelation to you. ETA: I can’t imagine the average woman would agree she wants an “enlightened de…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:59 PM
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It depends on what you mean by “sexual attention.” I’m in an LTR but still attracted to other men, obviously. If I’m passing by an attractive guy and I can tell he notices me too, I enjoy that. I like to know I look good, so some passing glances out in public are nice. But anything that veers into leering or staring or actual sexual comments is not ok. I’ve had male colleagues in a professional setting look me up and down right in front of my face. That’s creepy as fuck and not enjoyable. And an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 04:14 PM
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There’s truth in this. Women are bad at showing passing interest. But I will die on the hill that so many men could be so much more attractive if they just figured out how to dress themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 11:07 PM
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Same. I got more attention from men, and especially more men I’m attracted to, when I had a pixie cut in my late 20s than when I had long hair in my early 20s. My fiancé loved it and would clearly prefer that I go back to that. Seemed to rule out more socially conservative guys, which was an added benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 05:33 PM
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Your pretentiousness is quite off-putting. I’ve attempted to engage in good faith with your comments. Just sticking to the things you’ve said to me: Me: You seem to be suggesting women should have never entered STEM fields You: Yes, I do actually. … Me: Do you object to affirmative action or do you object to women’s participation in particular fields. You: To both. Am I missing something professor?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 01:47 AM
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You’ve shifted from “women should have never entered STEM fields” to what is a much more reasonable seeming and defensible position about affirmative action. It’s an interesting and not so subtle tactic, if that’s what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:13 AM
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To both. Fascinating. Do you think women should be legally barred from certain professions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:49 PM
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Do you object to affirmative action or do you object to women’s participation in particular fields. Pretty easy to draw a distinction between those two ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:28 PM
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That's a good thing. Women should be mentored by other women. Or should pick jobs/fields more appropriate to them. Quite the statement. It’s a “good thing” that women struggle to advance in their chosen field because of the boys’ club that persists? You seem to be suggesting women should have never entered STEM fields or law or any other profession traditionally dominated by men. What fields do you think are “more appropriate” for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:15 PM
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Something is wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 09:17 PM
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This guy gets off on the vitriol he gets for making these ridiculous posts. He’s probably furiously masturbating while he reviews the comments. Collectively ignoring him would be the best method. Shoo pest.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 07:20 PM
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Top notch contribution, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:15 PM
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Explain it to me then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:57 PM
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Can anyone explain why there's an evolutionary biological need for women to orgasm, but not orgasm from penetration, which is how babies are made? You need someone to explain to you why sexual pleasure has an evolutionary purpose? Also, what does that have to do with this topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:52 PM
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Well, as noted throughout this thread, no complaints =/= satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:46 PM
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I half agree with this. Women, especially young women, are often uncomfortable being vocal about what works/doesn’t work for them. And a lot of women know what works for them solo but not with a partner. US culture around sex is particularly uptight, and sex ed is basically nonexistent, so young men and women learn about sex from mainstream porn, which is fake bullshit. I think this puts both men and women in the terrible position of feeling like they have to fill a porn role during sex, which i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:37 PM
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Odds are your dick will not do the trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:14 PM
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This happens all the time. You can be hot and exciting in some ways, but if we lack shared values or you’re not all that intelligent, you’re casual only and not relationship material.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:03 PM
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A better description from another thread today: the general consensus being that many women will spend the majority of their 20s and possibly early 30s having random, unrestrained sexual fun with noncommittal alpha bros. But then when they decide to settle down and start a family, these women will look for a stable, committed provider man who she'll have infrequent sex with, and the sex that is had will be fairly vanilla. This is so far from reality I don’t know where to start. To the extent the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 03:37 PM
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I actually laughed out loud at this. No. Mostly because neither of those concepts is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:32 AM
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It’s impossible to ignore the child’s interests in a conversation about child support. The legal standard in child custody and support cases is always what is in the child’s best interest. I hope you’ll seriously consider the implications of your position for children. You gave me some things to think about. Thanks for the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:15 AM
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I come at this from the perspective that a child’s needs take priority over an adult’s interest in being free from a financial obligation. Can we agree on that? Being forced to pay for a child they do not want, have no desire to be in the life of, and was completely unplanned and/or previously agreed upon not to have. This is not an inequality. Women face identical legal requirements. It's called adoption, or surrendering of parental rights, not abandonment. Men and women have the exact same rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:08 PM
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What is the inequality, exactly, that paper abortions for men would solve? Women and men currently have the exact same obligations under the law when it comes to financial support for a child. Women cannot abandon an existing child anymore than men can. Yes, women can have an abortion. But the right to abortion isn’t based on some right to be free from a financial obligation; it’s based on the right to bodily autonomy. Men have no similar bodily autonomy interest when it comes to carrying and bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 10:04 PM
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Alright, I take it you don’t want to continue this conversation. I’m genuinely curious how an “egalitarian” adopts your viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:35 PM
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Interesting. What if he doesn’t agree and wants me to at least financially contribute, but I don’t want to? It sounds like you’re saying there needs to be agreement between the two parents. Edit: If that’s what you mean, that’s not all that different than what we currently have. One parent can just choose not to pursue the other for child support, but that option is there if they need it. Between a parent paying for their own child and the rest of society potentially footing the bill because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:47 PM
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Not if the child is given up for adoption. Adoption requires consent of both bio parents, with very limited exceptions such as in the case of rape or if the bio dad is unknown. So, equal terms. The issue with paper abortion is that it gives one parent the right to financially abandon an existing child and saddle the other parent with all responsibility. Isn’t that bad for children? Should tax payers be forced to pick up the slack because one parent didn’t want the kid? Should women also have the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:30 PM
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Of course adoption should be available. How is that analogous to paper abortion? The law does not force men or women to be a part of their child’s life. It does force both, on equal terms, to financially support a child they created.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:04 PM
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It would 100% create a situation where (1) single mothers will have even fewer resources than they already do to raise children on their own, (2) many women will be effectively forced to abort wanted children because they would not be able to financially support them by themselves, and (3) taxpayers will be required to foot the bill for expanded welfare programs to support the children of men who abandoned them. I honestly don’t see how anyone could view ”paper abortion” as anything other than a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:49 PM
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Wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:48 AM
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Oh I totally agree. I read RatchedAngle’s comment as making the same point. I don’t think the word “used” makes sense in that situation. No one is being used if both parties are on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:32 PM
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The trick is that you aren’t actually using them and they know you actually aren’t but instead are engaging in a believable role play that is emotionally stimulating This is not the kind of “being used” that women are upset about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:25 PM
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The idea that a man is always taking sex from a woman is like saying women don't enjoy sex. That's just stupid. I think that was essentially the point being made? I.e., it’s difficult for women to feel validated by sex when the cultural narrative is that sex is being “taken” from them (even though that narrative is wrong). Let's not forget women who are into hookups feel that they are "taking" sex from a guy. I’ve personally never heard any woman speak this way about a casual hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:21 PM
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Sure, they’re definitely related. But she’s probably also concerned about judgment from her social circle more generally, including female friends, and she doesn’t want to be castigated as a “slut” for the rest of her life. The way men can “help” women feel more comfortable in their sexuality is by challenging the cultural narrative that a woman’s n-count has an inverse relationship with her value as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:38 PM
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I think it’s probably not true that women generally wish they were having more casual sex than they are. For those who do want that, I imagine fear of judgment is the biggest factor holding them back. And yeah no one wants to be “used,” but that’s more about men not caring about their sexual pleasure and men lacking basic respect for their casual sex partners. If you want more women to fuck you casually, stop calling them “used cum rags”!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:33 PM
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Lol what is the point of this. She’s literally married to Ashton Kutcher IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:15 PM
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Huh? Sex work is “real” work. And I wasn’t expressing “sympathy” for sex workers (although I do feel sympathy for them in many contexts), I was explaining why I find men who visit prostitutes unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:25 PM
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I’ll momentarily set aside the ethical issues of sex trafficking and women having to resort to sex work due to circumstance, which are pretty much impossible to divorce from this question. Casual sex for me was always about mutual sexual chemistry and enjoyment. Prostitution is not. She’s faking being into you and most likely faking any sexual pleasure. A guy who doesn’t care about that and wants to have sex with someone who isn’t into him is very unappealing. Not sure that piece of it is a mora…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:37 AM
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Right back at you. This is pretty basic stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:20 PM
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What a silly argument to make. No one is biologically limited in sexual attraction to a two-year period. A guy who says he has a cut off for attraction at age 20 is also attracted to 15 year olds. No question, and I don’t need more information.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:08 PM
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You didn’t understand my point. Purely having attraction to a 20 year old is not the issue. The issue is saying that “20 or so” is the upper limit for your attraction. Totally reasonable to assume the lower limit is well below 18 in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:56 PM
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Completely non responsive. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:45 PM
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Once you know what the clitoris is, making a woman cum is a skill that one learns relatively fast. Maybe for you. Certainly not for the men I encountered in my late teens and early 20s. Partly my fault, but I was very inhibited by a cultural script that women are supposed to just passively go along with things and not make any noise about what we actually want. The thing is, teenage boys and young men need to be both taught female anatomy and have impressed upon them that communication is key to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:31 PM
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Yes. So are gals, for that matter. Agreed, but the male orgasm is much easier to achieve and often doesn’t depend on the skill set of the other person or their willingness to actually listen and learn what their partner likes. Young people today have nowhere to turn to in order to find out how to enjoy, grow and love their sexuality. I agree. Young men and women both get their idea of sex from porn because all adults in their life, including their parents and their educators, are too afraid to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:45 PM
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When guy tells you he has “very little attraction to women over the age of 20,” where do you think the low end of that range is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:28 PM
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Sex ed that teaches teenagers some very basic information about the clitoris and the female orgasm would do wonders for young women and young men. I don’t know what your definition of sex positive is, but it took me years to enjoy partnered sex because guys were absolutely clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:25 PM
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Hope she aborted. Stay away from children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:07 AM
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Borderline pedo. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:04 AM
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Unfortunate. Height and dick sound fine. Receding hairline and past your prime in age not great, and income could be much better. But the prostitutes are what really bring you down. I’ll keep those things in mind when evaluating what you post on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:58 AM
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Full head of hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:48 AM
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Let’s add age to the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:37 AM
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Sure, if every red piller would be okay with a tag indicating their height, income, dick size, and virginity status. You can go first hunny.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:31 AM
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You clearly have no idea what women get pleasure from. Like most women, I don’t orgasm from penetration alone, but I still get pleasure from penetration, and it’s pretty amazing when you combine penetration with something that will lead to orgasm for me. You seem very confused. This whole thread is a PSA for why we need better sex ed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:36 PM
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Male “pleasure” isn’t “mandatory” for conception either. Ejaculatory anhedonia is a real thing. Sexual pleasure for both parties is what keeps them both motivated to have sex in the first place. If we were a species where one sex felt zero sexual pleasure, we’d be long gone. Is this really necessary to explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:32 PM
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Female orgasm is pointless evolutionarily speaking. Sure, “pointless” in the same sense that food tasting good is evolutionarily pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 04:42 PM
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As a rule, the less experience someone has, the more I would be concerned they are susceptible to manipulation. But I also think a guy who goes for late 20s is categorically different than a guy who goes for very early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 09:51 PM
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Cool. Let’s aim to do that without erasing 70 years of social progress. Have a great night.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 01:30 AM
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I’m very glad your views are losing the culture war, and that my future daughter(s) will be even less encumbered by that bullshit than I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 12:33 AM
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Something tells me most women are not lining up to have kids when they’ve barely emerged from childhood themselves. Which is, like, the main reason that most women are now having kids later in life. A policy like that would just further entrench women’s social and economic disadvantages, which I suppose is your M.O.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 11:36 PM
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Lol, incentivizing 50% of the population to not pursue an education or enter the workforce during their prime years for doing so would certainly be an economic catastrophe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 11:24 PM
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Can you imagine the red pill outrage if women aged 18-25 were paid by the government just for being women? Also, that’s definitely unconstitutional in the U.S., and it would be an economic catastrophe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 11:05 PM
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It can be a “tremendous privilege” depending on what your preference is, who your partner is, and the health of your relationship. Stay at home parents are notoriously prone to depression due to social isolation, loss of personal identity, and power imbalances and financial inequality within the relationship. Over half of women prefer to work outside the home. Nearly 1/3 of women who are stay at home mothers would prefer to work outside the home. Interestingly, 1/4 of men would prefer to be home…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 10:41 PM
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My main point is that men need to stop telling women what women want and what a woman’s “value” is in the world. It is up to individual women to decide what they want and what their purpose is. The mantra that a woman’s only purpose is to be a mother and a wife benefits men at the expense of women. I care about women having opportunities to self actualize as individuals. You seem to believe that women are uniquely unsuited for working in an office. I completely reject that. I would love it if we…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:07 PM
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But didn't you just say they wouldn't date you if you worked at Wendy's? Do you understand that healthy relationships involve more than just physical attraction? Those men absolutely valued that we could have meaningful conversations about our mutual areas of study/interest, and I’m sure they liked the social validation that came with dating someone who was “going places.” But yeah "valuing a womans accoplishments" and "being attracted to a womans accomplishments" are two very different things. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 08:17 PM
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But those same guys would have likely dated you if you worked at Wendy's. It’s hilarious how untrue this is. I’m sorry you can’t relate, but some men value competence and intelligence and accomplishments in their partners. And I never would have met them if I had been working at Wendy’s. I used to tell her all the same kind of shit. "I liked the fact that you <add made up reason>". I feel very bad for your wife. If I never found you attractive none of that other shit would matter. This is litera…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:32 PM
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Cool. None of that is reflected in my experience, or the experience of any highly educated and accomplished woman I know. If you don’t care about a woman’s accomplishments, fine, that’s on you. But there is no shortage of educated, accomplished men who do value those things in women. And I’ve never had any difficulty finding them, precisely because I run in the same academic, professional, and social circles as them. So, yeah, getting an education and a relatively high status job has absolutely …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:10 PM
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If this is true for women, it’s also true for men. But no one is going around telling men that they’ve been sold a “diabolical lie” that they have any purpose beyond being a father or husband. Financial independence is objectively good for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:16 PM
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Women’s suffrage followed WW1. The only reason it was on the table in the first place was because women organized and pushed for it for like 70 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:00 PM
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If you are mean to a woman and she doesnt stick around its because she didnt like or value you anways. Do you actually believe this? Why would anyone “actually like you” if you’re “selfish and treat her like shes nothing special”? What a fucking awful way to live your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:30 AM
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You mean like she hasn’t dated anyone? Or just men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:02 AM
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How many wars have you fought in to “earn” your right to vote? Do you know what a “right” is?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:59 PM
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Lol ok. Fantastic argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 06:17 PM
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Men paying for meals is a social norm, and one that many women are happy to not go along with. You see it outside the dating context constantly. Go to a restaurant with a group of people and often the highest status/most financially successful dude at the table will pay for the group. What often gets ignored in these conversations is that men frequently want to pay and often feel emasculated if they’re denied that opportunity. Im always happy to pay for myself or for both of us, but it would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 06:10 PM
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Then what’s the point? Men being oppressed in one sense doesn’t mean women haven’t been oppressed based on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 03:08 PM
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This has to be an epic troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 03:06 PM
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Of course I'll believe my wife over someone I don't know Glad to hear it. I’m sure you’re aware there are a multitude of situations in which fighting back is not an option (especially for women) and there is no video evidence. Thankfully, more women are willing to make a scene now and report assaults to the police, precisely because of the social progress we’ve made in recent years. > I don't think rape is per se particularly special or different to other violent crimes like assault, armed robbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:22 PM
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I’m not trying to solve a riddle here. You can explain yourself or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:37 PM
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Most men in history were peasants, had really difficult lives, worked hard to ensure their families survival and were also oppressed by local feudal lords who were a tiny minority. Women were mostly peasants too…?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:49 AM
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Yeah, I felt the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:46 AM
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Generally, I don't believe anyone without evidence. Testimony is evidence. If your wife came home and told you she was groped at the grocery store, would you believe her? I don't treat rape as a particularly egregious crime that deserves some special pleading. Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:36 AM
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Alright, pointless to argue, but slipping “pro abortion” and the others into a list of “arbitrary” turn offs is odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 09:54 PM
1

Ok fair, although I think it’s deeper than disliking smoking depending on your reasons. The others seem to reflect fundamental political, social, or religious views.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 09:12 PM
2

Other than your aversion to K-pop, I don’t see how any of these things are “totally random” or “arbitrary.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 06:49 PM
4

and women know why. Insecurity?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 06:48 PM
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This is really not arbitrary. Food is a major part of an LTR. I’m vegan and could never be with someone who (1) doesn’t at least understand and acknowledge the ethical issues with choosing to eat meat and dairy and (2) isn’t willing to eat vegan food with me regularly. It’s good to recognize ahead of time that you won’t/can’t do those things because it will inevitably become a problem later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 04:32 PM
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Am vegan. Can confirm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 04:24 PM
1

C’mon, let’s not pretend that men don’t also do this. I’ve been with multiple men who love it when other men check me out in public. Everyone gets a little ego boost from being with someone other people want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 12:08 AM
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My strong assumption is that faking it is more likely. New guy doesn’t know what you need to get off, teaching him takes time and effort and can be somewhat socially uncomfortable when you don’t know him well. But you’re still into him and are enjoying the sex and want to show him that, so you make what you see as a little white lie. Not condoning it, but I think it’s fairly common.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:35 PM
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Very well could have faked it the first few times, you’ll never know. But, yeah, the excitement goes down as you get used to your partner, which can mean slower or less intense arousal. But less overwhelming excitement =/= boredom or disinterest.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 09:04 PM
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I never said there wasn’t a biological component. There’s pretty clearly a feedback loop between average sexual interest and what’s considered socially acceptable to talk about. I’m not pinning this on men alone; it’s a societal issue, and one women should be (and are) working on. We were just expressing our very hormone addled feelings. I think there’s a lot of social pressure on boys to participate in that type of conversation, even if they don’t really want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:24 PM
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Lmao crawl back into the hole you came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:13 PM
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I’m not talking about “intuition,” I’m talking about life experience and maturity level. People of any age (and gender) can be “played.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:09 PM
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Sorry you feel that way. Fortunately, your mindset is less socially acceptable these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:07 PM
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30 is a safe bet. Maybe a couple years under 30. She’s had several years to date men and likely understands that a major reason a 50 year old man is interested in her is her age. She can make an informed decision then if she wants to be involved in that. I’m also less concerned about the intentions of a man who goes for a woman in her late 20s/early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:00 PM
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In general, sure. But graphic discussion about sexual desire isn’t part of teenage girl culture anywhere near the same extent. It’s the focus on “I’m horny” that is accepted and encouraged in men and not in women, although that’s very slowly changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:31 PM
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I’m no fan of male circumcision, but it’s a far cry from what happens to girls in Nigeria (and many other countries). I hope you’re level headed enough to understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 02:28 PM
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Thanks for sharing. I don’t think we’ll agree on much in this area.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 01:57 PM
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I mean, ok, the outlook is substantially bleaker for women if you require we take into account every culture in the world. It also makes it extremely difficult to have a conversation about this topic because the cultural consensus in Nigeria is undoubtedly very different than the one in western countries. How is female masturbation viewed in a country with one of the highest rates of FGM? Not sure you found the right clip. But jokes often reflect something that’s normalized. I.e., it’s funny bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 01:47 PM
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not over a positive view of masturbation per se. In fact, oftentimes male masturbation is viewed negatively among both boys and girls. I’ll agree with you that masturbation, regardless of gender, is generally not expressly encouraged. We’re still squeamish as a society about sexual pleasure for its own sake, and there’s a sort of “you’re a creep” sentiment that can go along with male masturbation that doesn’t apply to female masturbation. But masturbation is still normalized more for boys/men th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:42 AM
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Genuine question: how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:56 AM
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Partnered male sexuality is normalized. I totally disagree that it’s limited to “partnered” sex. Boys are expected to have sexual desire for girls as teenagers, and they often bond over explicit discussions about girl’s and women’s bodies. There is no equivalent social norm for girls. men pick up and retain the habit more often I think it’s pretty well established that women have less spontaneous desire for sex than men. Personally, I had no problem picking up the habit as a 13/14 year old and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:44 AM
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You may be right. The nerve endings are more concentrated, making the clit more sensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:30 AM
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Sounds like your penis isn’t involved in sex either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:05 AM
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This is an interesting question. I’ve never felt “shame,” per se, but more like a fairly intense discomfort with talking about masturbation with other people, including (and perhaps especially with) other women. My sense is that it’s entirely a social issue. Male sexuality is normalized in a way that female sexuality is not. Cultural conversations around sex have generally been about men wanting it and women acquiescing, so to admit your own desire for sexual pleasure as a woman feels taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:00 AM
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I’ll do you a solid and inform you that the clit and the penis are made of the same tissue. The clit has double the nerve endings as the penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:39 AM
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Concerning if true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:37 AM
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Lmao we should move the whole OP to the automod section then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:33 AM
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Lol this has to be a troll post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:31 AM
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I don’t have the time or motivation to disabuse you of your total confusion, but I’ll just say “no.” The clitoris isnt even part of the vagina, saying "clitoris stimulation" makes a woman orgasm is like saying picking your itchy nose makes you orgasm. This is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:25 AM
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Every woman faces consequences of purity culture, promiscuous or not. It’s essentially the notion that women don’t own their own sexuality. When women have sex, it’s not an exercise of their own sexual agency, it’s something they “allow” a man to do to them; it’s something a man “takes” from her. And women’s sexual pleasure is at best unimportant and at worst threatening. There are a million different ways this affects women’s lives. Feeling disconnected from or even ashamed of your own sexualit…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 05:25 PM
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You made a normative claim. “Actions have consequences” isn’t an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 03:11 AM
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You need me to walk through what sexual repression and equating a person’s value to their sexual “purity” does to a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 02:59 AM
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Anti-slut shaming and the sexual revolution more broadly are/were a response to a purity culture that pervaded women’s lives. You pointed to the existence of a social movement to try to disprove the problem it was addressing. That doesn’t make any sense. Women still face all kinds of negative social judgment for their sexual behaviors. You are clearly a participant in that judgment. there is a social penalty if a man dares shame one in public! That’s a good thing, no? But when it comes to virgin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 11:33 PM
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Lol it’s too bad you weren’t born in the 1910s. You would have fit right in with the aging intolerant sexists at the height of the sexual revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 10:41 PM
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Sounds like you and I agree that promiscuity doesn’t impact women’s ability to find a committed relationship the way red pill claims it does. But the consequences of purity culture for women run far deeper than just finding a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 10:29 PM
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Lmao what do you think precipitated the anti-slut shaming movement?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 09:54 PM
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I’m just responding to what you wrote; the notion that someone shouldn’t be “taken seriously” because of their sexual history. Definitely a toxic viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 09:52 PM
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“Slut shaming” has been around forever. You must be very young.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 09:45 PM
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Interesting how men inundate this sub with claims that all men care about n-counts and don’t respect promiscuous women and then turn around and pretend that women face no social shame for being promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 08:05 PM
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I don’t care what you want. I care about your toxic views poisoning other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 07:46 PM
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Wildly untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 06:22 PM
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Already do, but would never say a person shouldn’t be taken “seriously” because of their sexual past. I far more harshly judge men who are obsessively bitter they don’t have the opportunity to be promiscuous. That is wildly unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 04:20 PM
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Are the past behaviors of men and women judged the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 05:17 AM
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You’ve been insinuating you apply a double standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 02:35 AM
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but for some reason it’s taboo when it comes to women’s sexuality It’s the double standard. It’s really not that hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 01:35 AM
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Is what it is. Super easy to say when it doesn’t happen to you. ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:54 PM
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Sure, the variance may be greater, but women regardless of their qualities will always be clumped at the bottom. To be successful as a woman, you have to stop caring about whether men respect you, because the odds are they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:35 PM
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Fair enough, I’ve done the same. But being a woman will always be negative points for me, and I have to be that much more competent than the men around me to get anywhere near the same amount of deference and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:25 PM
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I mask it fine now and think I mostly come across as reserved and potentially aloof. My partner is similar, and I’ve seen the way strangers treat him vs. me. It can be night and day. I’ve experienced men I’ve never met before shake the hands of all of my male colleagues and ignore mine. All things held equal, men get more respect than women, hands down. It has a massive impact on a person’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:50 PM
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I’ve said this before on here. As a fairly physically attractive woman, I acknowledge the relative privilege I have had in attracting people I also find attractive. The advantages of being a (attractive) woman pretty much end there. The male version of me would be physically attractive and very shy. I would have had a harder time making friends and dating. But the amount of respect I would receive in my daily interactions and especially at work would be amazing to experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:54 PM
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If true, it's unfortunate that so many men have lived so long under a delusion that they don't actually have to be attractive to attract women. If that were all red pill was peddling, I'd be fully on board. But it's not. The rest of the bullshit drowns out any potentially redeeming aspect of the ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 06:17 PM
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Lol okay. They should wake up to the same reality that women have been forced to accept since childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:01 PM
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My strong assumption is that we're all quite good at predicting which people will be perceived as most attractive by others. If we're just talking physical attractiveness, you will see very attractive women with a wider range of men than vice versa. I'm sure you've noticed. If "hive mind" just means there are recognizable patterns in the behaviors of both men and women, again, it has no particular meaning when directed at women on here like it's some sort of revelation. What women do is they go …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:54 PM
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What are the stats on how well women predict which men are most attractive to women? If everyone is a "hive mind," the term is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:27 PM
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Snaps for an actually sort of insightful post. Lacking critical thinking, having your opinions/takes spoonfed to you so you are unable to defend them and lack conviction. This describes 80%+ of the human population. We divide along political lines, blindly accept what we’re told to believe, and very few people engage in critical thinking. Reflexively taking a contrarian view without honestly considering the other side’s arguments is just as low IQ. Women claim they all have varied taste in men b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:11 PM
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Your point about a supposed “collective mentality” makes no sense. By your own logic, black people should not advocate as a group for police and criminal justice reform because not every single black person has experienced police brutality or mistreatment in the system. Men should not advocate as a group for whatever men’s issue because they haven’t all experienced the same thing. People coalesce around shared interests while recognizing we are very different in other ways. Giving an accuser the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:16 PM
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And what if he says he was the victim of an attempted mugging at gun point but the perpetrator ran off?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:32 PM
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What would you accept as a falsification of this? Find me evidence of a major feminist organization admitting they intended the slogan to mean what you claim and I’ll change my mind. Until then, common sense will be my guide. >"We're not going to say what we mean, and then get upset if you don't figure it out." I literally argued with people who defended this notion (e: that it means to believe the women over the man, and to presume guilt). I assume you can read and process spoken language. I im…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:16 PM
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You’ll need to back that up with something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:39 PM
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Your ability to miss the point is impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:27 PM
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Victims don’t get put on trial bro, and you’re conflating legal proceedings with social relationships/public opinion. If your friend tells you he was mugged last night, I expect you to reserve your judgment until the offender is convicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:52 AM
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My view is that “believe women” was a flawed and clumsy slogan that has allowed the detractors of women’s social progress to seize upon an obvious but bad faith interpretation of the phrase to try to undermine the whole movement. It wasn’t smart activism because it wasn’t effective, and I wouldn’t have chosen it myself (so much for the hivemind). Still, everyone with an IQ above 70 is capable of understanding that a two word slogan can’t fully explain an entire concept and all of its nuances. Fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:36 AM
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“Believe women” is a response to a very long history of women being unbelieved and dismissed when they reported sexual harassment or assault. “Women support women” is a statement of solidarity because women have shared challenges that arise from being women. Neither of those statements imply women are all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:34 AM
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It was a genuine question, but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:19 AM
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Where’s the contradiction? You can advocate based on shared interests while still recognizing individuality. That’s how all civil rights and social movements have functioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:47 AM
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You seem to be conflating red vs. blue politics with the pills. There’s some crossover there, but I’m not totally following. What is it that changed your mind about sex/relationship dynamics?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 08:59 PM
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Approximately five hours. We’ve now been together for 8 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:30 AM
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Sure. Everyone should have realistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 09:07 PM
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thinking working out for a year is enough to give you abs It is if you have low enough body fat. I understand the broader point. It takes a lot of work for a man to reach what is advertised as the ideal male physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 08:40 PM
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People in general who don’t work out are clueless about how much work it takes to have visible results. Not sure why you’re pinning that only on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 05:13 PM
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Cool. He asked a specific question and I answered it. This turned into the dumbest argument I’ve gotten into on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:16 AM
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He didn’t ask for an example of “oppression”; he asked for examples of women being paid less than men based solely on gender. That’s what I provided. The level of reading comprehension here is impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:19 AM
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Ok, I’m going to help you out. What you’re looking for is evidence of a widespread pattern of women being paid less than men for the same work, same hours, same experience level, etc. There are no individual examples that will satisfy you. I don’t know the stats on that, and I’m not personally all that invested in the gender wage gap discourse. You’ll need to find your debate partner elsewhere. I do want you to understand, though, that paying women less than men for the same work is by definitio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:03 AM
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Lol this is just too good. According to your own logic: Rape is illegal. No one can give me an example of a rape that wasn’t illegal. Therefore rape doesn’t exist. 🤔 You’ve clearly got it all figured out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:17 AM
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Dude I gave you a link to a website with at least a dozen examples. You realize “pay[ing] men more than women, based solely on gender” is the definition of sex based employment discrimination, yes? You asked for examples of something illegal. I gave you exactly what you asked for. Can’t wiggle out of this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 11:51 PM
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Can you name one organisation, that pays men more than women, based solely on gender? This is what you asked for, no? I aim to please.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 11:14 PM
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Sounds like a great lawsuit. Sorry that happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 10:59 PM
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I’m sorry what? You’re going to need to clarify what you think is ILLEGAL here. Edit: Never mind, I get what you’re attempting to say, although it makes zero sense. You asked for an example of sex based pay discrimination. That is illegal, and it happens all the time. Get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 10:40 PM
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Some light reading for you. https://www.eeoc.gov/fact-sheet-notable-eeoc-litigation-involving-pay-discrimination EEOC v. Lacey's Place LLC Series Midlothian d/b/a Lacey's Place,, No. 2:22-cv-02161 (C.D. Ill. May 26, 2023) (gaming parlor chain resolves lawsuit alleging pay discrimination and retaliation against female workers). EEOC v. Mechanical Design Systems, Inc., No. 8:22-cv-02463 (D. Md. May 9, 2023) (HVAC company resolves lawsuit alleging discrimination against female employees paid less t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 10:29 PM
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It’s more like a tool for identifying men I would like to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 10:20 PM
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That would depend on the specific content of the OF account. Calling something “pornography” doesn’t mean it’s automatically unprotected. That’s why states can’t just decide to outright ban (adult) porn. The point is it would be legally very stupid for a school district to impose a blanket ban on teachers engaging in “pornography.” Much smarter to consider it on a case by case basis if it comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 10:06 PM
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Sure. And distinguishing obscenity from speech that has artistic value is a notoriously difficult project. Few public school districts would be willing to invite the inevitable 1A lawsuits that would arise from putting a “no explicit content on the internet” clause into a teaching contract. I can’t even imagine how a provision like that would be phrased to avoid being unconstitutionally vague and overbroad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:32 PM
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Well, redpill isn’t right, so I don’t have to change my behavior at all to disprove its application to my life. It has led me to run quickly away from guys who show signs of agreeing with it. So there’s that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:02 PM
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This would be an obvious first amendment problem for a teacher working in a public school.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:32 PM
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No one addresses the argument because the “consequences” seem to be largely fictional. I would love to see a study or two on how hard it is for women with an n-count of X# or above to find commitment in a relationship. My strong sense is that the stats aren’t in your favor. And your analogy makes no sense. Having (safe) sex is low risk and can be a lot of fun. It doesn’t harm anyone. The bogeyman that some abstract future man isn’t going to want you isn’t the nightmare scenario redpillers seem t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:14 PM
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I don’t identify with anything you’ve said. Men get called rapists when it appears they’ve raped someone. I’m sorry you’re so angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:32 PM
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Can you explain what you meant by the part I quoted? Edit: Never mind. You’ve made your worldview very clear elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:22 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:21 PM
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those of us who are sexual are going to find a way. Mark our words. This isn’t helping your reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:55 AM
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Again, the point ✈️🙆‍♂️💥. Those deserving of the prize will obtain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:43 PM
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Meh. He’s particularly inflammatory. You may be right, it gets to me more than the other garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:14 PM
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Huh? If you’re not aware of all his other posting on this sub, sit this one out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:11 PM
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The point is flying over your head. Good luck with your gainz.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 05:35 PM
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I think people are entitled to basic respect. That’s the difference between us. You treat people like shit and then expect a good relationship to fall into your lap? It’s not going to happen bro. Water seeks its own level. You don’t know how to respect yourself, you’ll attract others with low self respect. Forgive me for thinking you have nothing useful to say about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 03:22 PM
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It’s pushback against the dominant notion in the 20th century that one of women’s primary purposes was to serve men and look good for men. Take a look at old ad campaigns for beauty products and clothing. They’re amazing. It’s no longer socially acceptable among women to say that you are self improving to appeal to men. Of course that’s still a part of it, just like part of men’s self improvement is to try to appeal to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:36 PM
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If a woman is feigning those things, it is not even in the ballpark of implying you want a relationship and stringing someone along for sex and then bragging about it later. Get it? No one said anything about “soulmates” or “the one.” The point I was making is that love is an emotion and emotions involve neurotransmitters. No shit. Saying your orgasm wasn’t “real” or your anger wasn’t “real” because those things involve neurotransmitters is some teenage pseudo intellectual BS. I guess I’m unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:10 PM
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Sounds like straight up deception and manipulation bro. “The orgasm is a fictional concept, it’s all just dopamine release.”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:21 AM
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It’s a list of three things, friend. Follow along.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 11:59 PM
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Alright man, you reap what you sow. You come on here and gloat about manipulating and deceiving people and playing power games. Perhaps you can fool a bunch of other sad and lonely men into thinking you’re “winning.” But if your real life thoughts and behaviors are anything like that, no one with any self respect will ever love you. If that’s what you “want,” you’re right on target.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 11:58 PM
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It’s the underlying theme of everything you post on PPD. Sex with you is a win for you and a loss for her. You’re constantly engaging in “power plays” with women. You don’t see it? It’s kind of fun going back and forth with you on here because you’re ever so slightly smarter than the others. But at the end of the day, it’s just as sad. This is me being genuine. Maybe it’s a LARP, I would never know, but based on what you post you clearly have a difficult time establishing meaningful relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 10:28 PM
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Yeah I mean you’re just totally missing my argument at this point. You think dicks are gross, I get it. And if you want to insist that “whore” isn’t a term used to demean women specifically, then…that’s your prerogative I guess. Weird take. Let’s go back to the main topic of discussion. Address the example I posted and explain why “used,” “cum rag,” etc. are not dehumanizing terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 09:46 PM
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Well I mean you keep insisting that banging you is a devastating loss. I’m starting to believe it must be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:21 PM
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I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. But yeah, society falls apart when different factions can’t even agree on the definitions of words. Your point will not be well received by those who accept that “feminism” is about social and legal equality for women, which is its basic definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 08:05 PM
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Oh I wholeheartedly agree. “Simps” violate your third point, so I was confused by your response to me. What you describe is a mentally healthy person, who will obviously have more success in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 07:58 PM
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Well then. I guess we all get to make up our own definitions for established terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 07:50 PM
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Lol are you really that bad in bed that every time someone has sex with you it’s a loss for them? You should work on your self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 07:47 PM
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Please explain your definition of “feminism.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 07:30 PM
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You’ll need to elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 07:21 PM
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Confidence, self-respect, and kindness without expecting anything in return are all good qualities that attract people to you? Who could have guessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 07:14 PM
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I’ve always wished I could date women. ☠️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 03:10 PM
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“Most” is hyperbolic, but I’m sorry you feel that way. It’s your decision whether you want to sink to the same level. If you do, you have no room to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:14 PM
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So many of these things are also true for attractive women. Attractive, charismatic, self assured people attract others to them, which just reinforces the positive characteristics and attracts more people to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 11:34 PM
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Of course not. Not all women are whores and not all whores are women. It does not follow that “whore” is not a gendered insult. It was created to refer to certain women. 99% of the time it’s still used against women. I’m sure you know that. Being called an incel already isn't offensive to most men. I was trying to find an example that would resonate with some men. Frankly, the world has come up with many more ways to insult women, so I can’t come up with a comparable term. The n-word is not a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:13 PM
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Calling a woman a “whore” has nothing to do with her identity as a woman? Bold claim, and it contradicts the other points you’re making. The insults that offend are the exact insults that speak to societal views. If we didn’t have a history of devaluing people on the basis of race, the n-word would not be offensive. If society didn’t attach value to men for their sexual experience, being called an incel wouldn’t be offensive to anyone. I think you hit the nail on the head, though, with your repe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:04 PM
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This is a totally reasonable and consistent perspective to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:18 PM
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Good perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 07:06 PM
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Insults directed at someone for their group identity, including racist and sexist epithets, are offensive precisely because they are intended to say something damaging about a person’s value as a human. It’s saying you are lesser than because you are black; you are lesser than because you are a woman. I could call a man a whore all day. It won’t hurt him because society doesn’t view his worth through the lens of his sexual “purity.” You call a woman the same thing, it will often hurt her. She en…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:36 PM
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They’re permanent but can be intentionally reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:01 PM
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Lol it’s all over this sub. I’m amazed you can’t see it. Would you be content with your mother or sister being called a “used cum rag” because it has nothing to do with her value as a person? It’s just a man expressing an innocuous preference? I’m thinking about it so much because this sexual purity shit pervades the life of every woman you’ve ever known. I realize this sub is full of sad men who can’t get laid, but this ideology, which seemed to be on the decline for many years, has resurfaced …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:51 PM
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Men who use words like “used,” etc. are saying that promiscuous women are unworthy of basic respect. Explain to me how that doesn’t go beyond “RMV.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:33 PM
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You have a lot of very confused ideas about women. You sound young, and so do the women you’re talking to. Young women and young men have roughly the same level of sophistication when it comes to who they’re willing to hookup with. So, almost none. For young women looking only for casual sex, physically attractive and confident = fuckable. Your ex friends are not saying those misogynistic things to the women they’re sleeping with. If they were, they would have a much harder time getting laid. De…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 02:13 PM
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Cool, well, I appreciate your input but you’re not actually grappling with the points I’m making.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 01:35 PM
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You’re interacting with the dregs of society. Don’t let their attempts at externalizing their misery seep into your brain. Sounds like your current relationship is infinitely healthier. Your “value” is exactly what it’s always been, and you deserve a person who recognizes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:25 AM
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Then you’re in luck! Water seeks its own level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:33 PM
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I actually don’t think it’s difficult to “grasp” what’s going on. Many men have an impulse, perhaps driven by an evolutionary process, to find women who’ve slept with other men disgusting. But for many men, it’s not enough to just avoid that individual woman. He also has to warn all other women that if they dare to enjoy sex with different men, they’ll become “used,” a “whore,” pick your favorite in vogue incel adjective or noun. These are not merely expressions of preferences, they are expressi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:01 PM
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Because outside of sex females have very little to offer a man to justify a relationship. All you had to say was this. No woman with an ounce of self respect will ever take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 08:45 PM
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Dude. You spent so much time in your OP outlining rules for responding to your post in the name of having a “substantive conversation.” You’ve now moved the goalposts several times and set such vague standards for an answer you’ll accept that’s it’s impossible to interact with you. Good luck on your journey to find a forum for your grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 08:27 PM
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Huh? I’m trying to be charitable here. I gave you an example of an issues that is widely accepted by the mainstream as a major challenge facing men. You promptly rejected that example, without any evidence, as something that wouldn’t be “believed” or “met with sympathy” if an individual man “voic[ed] a complaint” about it. I then asked you where you would be raising such a complaint, which you did not answer. So I gave you an example of an online forum where those complaints are voiced on an hou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 08:05 PM
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It’s super shitty. I’m sorry you went through that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:28 PM
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Because those men fundamentally believe women are beneath them. She should voluntarily “submit,” give up her own financial independence, and accept her place as inferior to him. If she goes along with what he wants, she’s just confirming her inferiority. Thank god that’s not representative of most men in 2024.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:13 PM
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Yikes. Are your feet on the ground? Have you seen an image of the earth from space? Your limitations are pretty incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:02 PM
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So you have no evidence for your claim. Got it, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:51 PM
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You spent 75% of your post condescendingly telling women how not to respond to your post and failed to explain your question properly. Check out r/findapath. It’s almost entirely struggling young men getting compassion and life/career advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:49 PM
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Find three examples from PPD and link them. I won’t hold my breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:19 PM
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Yeah, calling women “hoes” and then following that up with “it’s just a joke, you prudes” is not going to endear you to women. That is the precise language that signals to women that we are not respected and not welcome. Good on you for recognizing it, albeit belatedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:34 PM
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I would strong recommend that you stay far away from that content. It’s made to engagement farm bitter men, not you. It’s reality distorting and has nothing useful to impart about how regular men and women think about sex or relationships. Don’t let that stuff invade your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:12 PM
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I’ll ignore all the inaccuracies in what you just said and ask what it is you want, specifically? Where exactly would you be voicing these “complaints”? I see posts every day on popular subreddits from men who feel lost in life and have struggled to find gainful employment. The responses are overwhelmingly compassionate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 04:30 PM
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Good point. It goes back several decades. Richard Reeves published a very well received book last year on the same subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 04:19 PM
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They are received like it’s a legitimate concern that should be addressed. Hence the constant attention and reporting. What else do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:59 AM
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To me, it’s a game. That’s all it is. Sex is adult play time. Sex can be many things. Sometimes you want to have romantic passionate sex, sometimes you want to put on a persona and bang one out. Sometimes it’s somewhere in between. I don’t like being “choked,” per se. But I like a hand on my neck. I wouldn’t like a hand on my neck if I thought the dude might actually hurt me or if there hadn’t been an understanding ahead of time that it would happen. I don’t get off on being in actual physical d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:45 AM
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Sure, and so are a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:26 AM
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Let’s focus on having an actual substantive conversation (I know it’s hard). Don’t move the goal posts of your own OP. You asked, specifically, what injustices or circumstances men are “permitted” to complain about and have that be received as legitimate by the general population in a public forum. This topic is discussed every week on major news networks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:21 AM
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Yeah, I think you would be met with mostly sympathetic comments. Don’t take a chunk of flesh central to sexual functioning without consent. From 2015: “A YouGov survey conducted earlier this year found that young people were more skeptical about the practice than their elders: only 33 percent of 18-to-29 year-olds said that male children should be routinely circumcised, compared to 43 percent of 30-to-44 year-olds, 52 percent of 45-to-64 year-olds, and nearly two thirds of seniors.” https://www.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:15 AM
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Men/boys falling behind in education is a wildly popular topic of discussion in the media.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:58 AM
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Circumcision.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:49 AM
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Society has had an irrational problem with gay people forever, and that’s obviously not an RMV issue. Does a homophobic straight man think a gay man is more morally reprehensible if he’s slept with 20 men vs. 5 men? I doubt it. The obsession with sexual purity is reserved for women. Women who disparage bi men as disgusting should be ashamed. ETA: I’m not buying the “this is only about RMV” argument. When you call a woman “used” or a “slut” or “whore,” you are obviously expressing something beyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:38 AM
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Ok. Well my point was about the disparaging language itself and the notion that women’s value as people is diminished by the number of men they’ve slept with. Like I said, preferences are fine and you can have a different standard for yourself than you have for others. But women don’t seem to moralize about their preferences in men the way some men do regarding their preferences in women, at least on this issue. I find it interesting, and have yet to see any redpiller acknowledge it. Thanks for …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:20 AM
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I agree that we should approach teenage boys with an understanding about what’s going on developmentally. Same for teenage girls, who are also experiencing puberty and figuring out who they are in the world. The emphasis though should always be “only you control how you treat other people.” Women and girls are painfully aware that how they dress affects how men and boys treat them. If you wear a revealing outfit, you should expect some passing glances. That’s fine. “Staring,” though, is dangerou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:43 AM
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Yes, I’ve seen several instances where it’s the same person doing both things. I misread your second point the first time around. So it’s only sleeping with men that degrades a woman’s value? What’s the logic behind that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:07 AM
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No one is talking about value as a human. See redpillers say this and then go ahead and treat women like they’re worthless humans for having an n count above 2. You can’t talk out of both sides of your mouth. Besides, I haven't really seen men who sleep with many women saying that women who sleep with many women are lower value, so it' snot about exact same behavior either. That is a constant topic on this sub and elsewhere. Men who claim to have dozens of sex partners who disparage women with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:08 AM
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So should we teach boys how to control themselves and respect women and girls? Or should we teach girls that if men or boys harass or assault them it’s their own fault for dressing a certain way?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:02 AM
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I’m sorry you’re experiencing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 11:59 PM
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The amount of women that make fun of short guys or make them feel inadequate is MUCH greater than the amount of men saying they wouldn't date a whore. Well that’s not true on this sub. And it’s definitely not true throughout human history. You're trying to make it sound like it only goes 1 way. It doesn’t only go one way. That was my point. You know, the golden rule and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 11:37 PM
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I don't know how to spell this out more clearly to you. I can see that. The point I’m trying to draw out is that “used,” “whore,” whatever, are thrown around by men to make women feel lesser than as people for…having and enjoying sex. Go ahead and put the word “incel” in the same category. It’s used by women (sometimes) to make men feel lesser than as people for not being able to get laid. If a man expresses his preference for a virgin, fine. If, in the same breath, he calls high n count women “…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 11:03 PM
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You called it a “biological reality.” What is the biological change you’re talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:40 PM
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Ok, let’s go with a hypothetical where contraception is used and she doesn’t get pregnant. Is she still “used”?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:35 PM
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It’s a biological reality that a woman is “used” if she’s had sex with many men? Can you tell me what biological change occurs after a woman has sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:30 PM
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I advance mens issues without attacking women Wonderful. Keep doing that. For one example when people said women who have sex are dirty, especially in a system that did not recognize womens agency, the man made them dirty. The feminist framework means men do things and women are passive. If that is true it says more about men then women. Womens sexuality was policed but more because women were deemed able to do so. The hjab has many reasons, one of them being the view that men are so sex brained…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:28 PM
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Do you think a man is “used” when many women have had sex with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:12 PM
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Women use incel to mean a guy who can't get laid, that's the truth. Point taken. I agree it’s used this way sometimes and may be intended to make a guy feel like he has less value as a person because he’s (assumed to be) a virgin. If he’s not also using incel rhetoric, I think it’s pointlessly cruel to call him an incel. Will you address my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:08 PM
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Incel is an identity that generally signifies a man holds a certain set of very negative beliefs about women. A nice guy is a man who does kind things for a woman under the guise of being a friend but only because he expects sex/a relationship in return. Do you think those terms speak to a man’s inherent value as a person? Will you answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 09:59 PM
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Are women treating short guys as having their value diminished? If they are, they suck and should stop. Then why do you accuse men of treating high body count women as their value as a human being diminished? I don’t know what you do, but calling women “used,” “cum rags,” etc is commonplace among redpillers on PPD. What do those terms mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 09:37 PM
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Preferences are fine. Treating people like their value as a human is diminished when they’re engaging in the exact same behavior as you is hypocritical. The principle applies to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 09:23 PM
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People often misinterpret my shyness/social anxiety as me being stuck up when really I’m just too anxious to interact with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 09:02 PM
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Ok. Law 101: Laws get struck down when they violate the constitution. If there is no due process right implicated, there’s no legal violation for “denying due process procedures,” and the law will not be struck down. Get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 08:47 PM
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Legally stripping students of due process under title ix means they don’t have it as a right. Due process is in the freaking constitution. A constitutional right cannot be superseded by statute or a regulation. Federal statute and regulations may very well violate that right. They cannot legally strip a constitutional right from someone. Do you understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 08:27 PM
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I’m honestly at a loss as to how to respond to you. The articles you linked acknowledge that students have a constitutional right to due process. People are mad because they think the new Title IX regs violate that right, among other concerns. Hence the claims that Biden is “stripping” students of their right to due process. I don’t know how else to explain that to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 07:58 PM
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I don’t understand why you’re so insistent on being wrong here. I deleted some of my other comments because they were overly harsh, and I’m genuinely not trying to be an asshole. But you keep repeating the same false things. I am a lawyer. I represent public institutions. The right to due process comes from the U.S. Constitution. It applies to the government. Public colleges and universities are the government. Congress cannot lawfully take away a constitutional right by statute, and neither can…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 05:18 PM
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Could that be a result of the view society has about men and womens sexuality? Yes, of course it is. Treating female sex predators like they’re harmless and adolescent male victims like they’re not victims is a serious problem. We do both men and women a disservice when we paint men across the board as sexual aggressors/predators and women as asexual, passive, and lacking in sexual agency. we view womens sexuality as part of their whole being and holistically. I strongly disagree that women’s se…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:43 PM
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The real answer is that very few people in the U.S. are politically engaged enough for this to even be on their radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:52 PM
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It’s a complicated area. I don’t blame you for misunderstanding it, but you’ve been spreading false information all over this post. “The right to due process is grounded in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which provides (among other things) that no one may “be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” Because this “Due Process Clause” constrains government actors, and state colleges and universities are government actors, this means that students at state…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:30 PM
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Cool. I’m a lawyer. I work in a very related area. Your confidence is many steps ahead of your knowledge on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:17 PM
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Our legal system is required to offer due process. Colleges are not. Where are you getting this information? Look it up on Google, you’re wrong. Biden’s mandate specifically denies due process. Many legal experts are frustrated by this believing colleges SHOULD offer due process but under title ix mandates, the opposite is true. They are arguing the new regs deny due process. That only matters because public institutions of higher education are required to provide due process.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:15 PM
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You should really do your due diligence on something before spouting off on Reddit. Pretty much everything you’ve said on this post is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:06 PM
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Sorry, you have no idea what you’re talking about. The government is required to provide due process before depriving a person of a liberty or property interest. For that reason, due process is required in all sorts of nonjudicial proceedings—evictions from public housing, deportation of immigrants, adverse employment actions of public employers, and student disciplinary proceedings at public universities and colleges. Due process means fundamental fairness, usually notice and some opportunity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:00 PM
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Republicans are outraged, mostly about the inclusion of protections for trans students. Here’s a much better article than the one OP linked: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/2024/04/19/biden-administration-finalizes-title-ix-overhaul
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:28 PM
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Public colleges and universities are also subject to the constitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 07:17 AM
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Yeah, that’s exactly what I meant. Thanks for your charitable interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 12:33 AM
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If people shame him then hes right to shame others. That wasn’t the order of operations there. We dont abandon principles when it’s inconvenient. I agree. There are thousands of other better bases on which to criticize Trump. But it’s hard for people to resist low hanging fruit when someone is so depraved and pointlessly cruel to other people. My point is men being body shamed isnt recognized so people will think it happens to women more. This is a bias. I point that out in the middle of my post…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 12:31 AM
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Down vote me into oblivion if you like. I never thought I’d see the day men played victim on body shaming. That’s not a game you want to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 12:00 AM
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I’ve been nothing but polite to you. If you want me to understand your point, you need to explain it better. Trump is an interesting case. I would agree with you, except he’s spent the bulk of the last 9 years ridiculing both men and women for their appearance. Don’t dish it if you can’t take it. Chris Christie is a better example. Ironically Trump is the one bashing him for his weight more than anyone, but I think it’s reprehensible generally to attack public figures for their weight or appeara…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 11:58 PM
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I’ve been nothing but polite to you. If you want me to understand your point, you need to explain it better. Trump is an interesting case. I would agree with you, except he’s spent the bulk of the last 9 years ridiculing both men and women for their appearance. Don’t dish it if you can’t take it. Chris Christie is a better example. Ironically Trump is the one bashing him for his weight more than anyone, but I think it’s reprehensible generally to attack public figures for their weight or appeara…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 11:57 PM
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Men’s bodies are not picked apart, examined, objectified, and ridiculed, publicly or privately, anywhere near the same extent women’s are. It’s just an obvious fact. That was Eilish’s point. Yes, men should not be body shamed either. She was not shaming men’s bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 09:47 PM
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I’m not following. Eilish said, “Nobody ever says a thing about men’s bodies.” If a man said, “Nobody ever says a thing about women’s bodies,” that would be laughably inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 09:36 PM
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Yeah, I get it. But you can’t change minds without trying. Let them dig their hole and then realize they’re all alone down there. Might spark something in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 09:21 PM
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You may be right about the masturbation comment, but there are obvious historical reasons for that. The factual accuracy of the statement about public perception/discussion of men’s bodies is why there was no backlash.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 09:20 PM
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I agree there are men’s issues that should be taken seriously by feminists and others. I am not aware of any “healthy” men’s groups discussing those issues. IIRC, Billie Eilish pointed out that men are not judged for their bodies to the extent women are and made another comment about how she enjoys masturbating. Do you think she deserved backlash for saying those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 08:57 PM
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Alright, this has devolved past the point of continuing on. Your scenario doesn’t fit the definition. You wanted a FWB relationship, she didn’t. As a result, you got dumped. That’s it. Being proud of misleading someone isn’t going to change that. ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 07:25 PM
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…and she got sex. And then she dumped him. So is she the pumper and dumper??
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 07:10 PM
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Lol what kind of debate is there to be had? Your responses aren’t giving me anything to work with. If you are the dumpee and not the dumper, by definition you did not “pump and dump” someone. You got dumped because you were being deceptive and she found you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 07:05 PM
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You’ve entirely lost me. If you are aware of your own intentions to never pursue a relationship with someone, you know they want a relationship, and yet you do not tell them you feel differently, you are the asshole. Is that what you’re gloating about? What a flex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 06:53 PM
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I’m not catching your meaning. I assumed your scenario (2) went down like the last paragraph in my last comment. If you’re saying you strung all these women along by giving them the impression you wanted a relationship and then eventually they caught on and dumped you…we’re in an entirely different arena.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 06:39 PM
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Fair enough. I feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 06:26 PM
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The internet is your oyster. Just one example from urban dictionary: “Dating someone until they give up some sex then breaking up the next day.” https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pump%20%26%20dump I.e., leading someone on and then dumping them after sex. It is definitively not the same thing as having a casual relationship where one party catches feelings, voices said feelings, and then ends things when it’s clear the other person doesn’t feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 06:24 PM
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Ah ok, makes sense. I think leading with sex can set you up for a rough time (regardless of your gender) if you’re not also open to a short term or purely casual relationship. It wasn't always some devastating issue though bc I don't view sex as something a man tricks me into, barters for or takes from me. This is the distinction that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 06:14 PM
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Are you a high libido sex positive woman? In my experience, women who feel that way are on board with the casual nature of their sexual relationships and are not likely to experience “pumping and dumping” the way redpill defines that term.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:52 PM
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Dude I’ve repeated twice now that you’re inventing a new definition of a term that has an accepted meaning on this sub. What’s your response to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:46 PM
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I’m sending this to your grandmother.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:28 PM
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When women then don't get boyfriend duties, sometimes they get mad and leave. But it doesn't change the fact that they wanted a relationship and I didn't. This is what I'm constituting a pump & dump. You’re creating a new definition for the term then. By your own description, they dumped you. Don’t be surprised that people disagree. I think you're trying to rationalize it exactly in the way I describe to protect your ego. If that makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:20 PM
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It’s really hard not to point out the apparent motivation behind your post when it’s right there in plain view. I couldn’t resist, so sorry. To respond to your OP, you’ve twisted the meaning of “pump and dump” to suit your own purposes. Pumping and dumping is having sex and dropping the person. You did this to the women in (1) but not (2). You wanted to continue a purely sexual FWB type relationship, they didn’t. That’s not a pump and dump. You didn’t somehow “win” while they “lost,” and framing…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:37 PM
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Why are you so obsessed with “power”? Do some introspection. Healthy adults don’t approach sex and relationships like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:08 PM
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I’m obviously not stressing for pussy. That’s not obvious to me at all. You made a whole post about how the women you’ve slept with may think they ended things with you on their own terms but HAHA they didn’t. What’s the point other than some fantasy power trip? The rationalization is coming from inside the house….
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:59 PM
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What’s there to “rationalize”? Sounds like the women you mention in (2) learned you didn't want a relationship and moved on like mature adults. Normal people don’t put redpill labels on their sex lives. This post just sounds like you’re salty they ended things before you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:29 PM
9

Are you saying other men find solo men threatening in a social setting? How are you managing to blame women for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 01:46 PM
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Do y’all understand that those variables were almost certainly controlled for in the studies he’s talking about? It would be quite the oversight if health factors and socioeconomic status weren’t taken into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:52 AM
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You did not do a good job of explaining your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:17 AM
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I’m continuously astounded by the number of men who come on here and claim that any woman explaining what she wants/likes in men is either (1) a filthy liar or (2) so dumb she has no insight into her own feelings or sexuality. “For every man who says he likes blondes there’s a man who says he likes brunettes. These silly men can’t make up their minds!”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 10:58 PM
2

I’m really not trying to be rude but this is ridiculous. Men who are attracted to women find women to be “more cute, alluring and attractive.” Straight women are not attracted to women so by definition do not feel the same. This shit is not objective. You are defining the female experience from a male perspective. Not surprising, but very tiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:13 PM
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Sure, I would likely have some fleeting thoughts about why he’s a virgin and how that affects his views of women. The only real negative association I have with male virgins is that they’re more likely to identify as incels and believe in all the associated woman-hating BS. If he is clearly not that, I would be more curious than judgmental. Also, most women are pretty socially perceptive. If she’s hung out with him a few times, she may not be all that surprised by it. Different women will have d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:12 PM
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what if the thing that is going on is that he doesn't know how to talk to NEW people but once things warm up he's fine This would not be a significant problem for me. I was painfully shy in my teens and early 20s, still struggle to be myself in front of new people, and have a lot of compassion for people with social anxiety. I don’t “hunt” for issues. would u say your approach when talking to a guy who is in his 20s/30s as a virgin is different than talking to a non virgin guy? I don’t usually k…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 12:25 AM
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Most men gain experience with relationships in their 20s, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 03:38 PM
1

Look, I understand there is a strong correlation between being a 30+ year old virgin and having some significant issues that will not make you attractive to a potential partner. My point is that it is not the state of being a virgin that is off-putting to me. I would not automatically rule out a guy merely because he’s a virgin. If a guy is unsuccessful with women because he’s some combination of below average looks and low social intelligence, it makes far more sense to focus on those things as…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 02:43 PM
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Saying you're okay with atttactive virgin is like a man saying he is okay with dating a sex worker as long as she didn't do sexual acts with anyone. Lots of men date former sex workers on the condition that they are not engaging in sex work anymore. I can see that nothing I say will satisfy you. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 02:21 PM
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It is not per se, as a rule, a dealbreaker for me. For example, if a guy had debilitating shyness in his teens and 20s that prevented him from going out and meeting people but he’s had extensive therapy and is committed to improving his life, I think that’s admirable. If he was otherwise attractive, genuinely respected me, and had qualities I liked, I would consider him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:46 PM
2

Cool, I said I wasn’t repulsed. Do you want me to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:17 PM
5

There are some universal fundamentals that only experience can teach you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 12:29 PM
5

Hey you’re making fair points. He wouldn’t. But I need to look out for myself. how can someone who has no experience know what he wants, likes or needs in a relationship and from their partner? That would be part of the problem for starting a relationship with him. At this stage of my life, I’m done training men how to function in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 12:14 PM
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Yeah understood, but my point stands. Edit: I’m not repulsed by virgins the way redpillers seem to think all women are. But if you’re 31 and have never had a relationship something else is going on and that thing is probably going to be a problem for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 11:55 AM
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All bad choices, but 3 is far preferable to the others. 200 n-count is an order of magnitude too high, and I’m not interested in a man who sees escorts or who thinks women need to stay at home. 2 also fits the MAGA stereotype, so hard pass on that. “Almost no standards” is a major red flag for 3, though. Probably would go on one date and catch a really weird vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 11:46 AM
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Spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 02:12 AM
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Lol I hope this is a troll. Any woman with a modicum of self respect would drop you at the first hint of any of this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 09:39 PM
1

Ironically, this is the perfect description of red pill ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:11 AM
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Agreed. Redpillers in the replies don’t realize how much they’re telling on themselves. It’s insulting to men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 12:45 AM
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Ok, you’re changing the subject but I’ll bite. Have you not reflected on the phenomenon for these women to struggle with depression, lack of intimacy, debates over family vs career? I don’t see how those issues are unique to women, save for some nuance on the issue of balancing family and career. I’ve never been more depressed than when I was directionless in my mid-20s working menial jobs that didn’t require critical thinking. I’m an attorney now, and I’m damn good at it. I feel engaged and use…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:49 PM
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I’ll take your word for it. Have a wonderful day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:51 PM
1

You’re conflating income and intelligence again, but go off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:46 PM
1

Yet men are ok with this and often do marry women with lower intelligence I really doubt it’s a widespread phenomenon for men to marry women with significantly lower intelligence. Sounds lonely and unfulfilling. I see no evidence for that in my daily life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:47 PM
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You’re reading a lot into a study that says nothing about any of that. And I was asking about financial success specifically, not intelligence. I agree that smart women want smart men on their level. If that means they’re attracted to fewer men, so be it. Wanting an equal is not “hypergamy.” And trying to be with someone significantly dumber than you long term is miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:01 PM
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You are really on one today. Back to the swamp with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:33 PM
2

I don’t think Andrew Tate has a single genuine relationship with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:50 PM
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That is generally not because those women have agreed to “share” the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:50 PM
1

Yeah, not what I was looking for. Funny that women with higher IQ are less likely to get married. Maybe they know something.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:44 PM
2

Do you have any studies for that, specifically addressing the standards of financially successful women? In my experience, women who are very driven and accomplished also want driven and accomplished men. Shes looking for her equal, not someone better than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:15 PM
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but the whole thing with men is we won't marry some old bag for her money. We won't sacrifice attraction for money. If a woman raises her standards when she’s financially successful, it’s because her bar for what is attractive is now higher. She’s not going for some ugly old dude just for his money. You seem confused. I’d be interested in seeing any empirical evidence that shows that very successful women expect men to make even more than them. I’m surrounded by incredibly smart accomplished wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 01:03 PM
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Hm. Financial security is important to everyone. I will never allow my ability to support myself and my future children to be dependent upon my relationship with a man. And I’ll never get myself in a position where I’m pressured to stay in a bad relationship because I’ll be in dire straits if I leave. potentially self sabotage your attraction to great men who otherwise make less than you? This is a bit silly. I would guess men who make a ton of money also “raise” their standards for who they’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:26 AM
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Alright, not my personal experience but I accept that might be the case for most women. I think the way you phrased it is somewhat misleading. I doubt there’s any correlation between a woman’s financial success and men’s attraction to her. It might cause some insecurity in some men, but it’s hardly a “handicap” for the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:55 AM
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Ok, you’re talking about a woman raising her standards based on how much money she makes. Her “options” only become more limited in the sense that she has raised the bar for what she wants in a man. She still has the ability to date less financially successful men if she wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:42 AM
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The fact that this question comes up so often shows how wrong redpill is about what women want. Women do not want this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:17 AM
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Yeah, I’d have to look at the literature again but if I remember correctly there are a bunch of studies showing that verbal intelligence in particular is associated with socially liberal views.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:03 AM
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How does becoming successful limit a woman’s options?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:37 AM
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Yes, intelligent accomplished people tend to be more socially liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:14 AM
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Profession and educational attainment are status signifiers, so I think it makes sense that men would be less concerned about those things in their partner than women. I do think men care about women’s intelligence and competence. Some men online will claim otherwise. That has not been my experience in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:47 AM
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I can’t tell if you’re lying or just extremely delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 05:14 AM
4

Excuse me?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 05:01 AM
4

Something is wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:01 AM
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Lol. Less divorce does not necessarily equal happier marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 11:58 PM
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So you’d be happy having sex with a woman you’re not attracted to for 50+ years?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 11:54 PM
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That was hardly the only problem, but a big one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 11:52 PM
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Yes. I will always acknowledge that if I were a guy, the level of shyness I had in my teens and college years would have probably resulted in me being a virgin throughout that stage of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 09:25 PM
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I’ve seen this pattern. Obviously it is not universal. Just my personal experience but men seem to jump into a relationship with two feet very quickly while women tend to be more cautious. He’s all in, infatuated based mostly on physical attraction and sex, while she’s a bit slower to build a connection and doesn’t get sucked into infatuation mode as much. He’s so intent on planning things and progressing the relationship that she doesn’t feel like she has much room or opportunity to “lead” the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 07:44 PM
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Yes, I’m serious. Thanks for your insightful comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:37 PM
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For me, personally, my view on this has changed some as I’ve gotten older. When I was in my 20s, I was mostly looking for a genuine connection and relationship, and felt like I couldn’t get that with guys more than a year or two younger than me because they were too immature. (Mind you, I wasn’t interested in a relationship with men more than a few years older than me either.) My sex drive is higher now in my early 30s. If I were single, I’d probably consider 25 year old dudes for hook ups, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 04:53 PM
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Let’s agree to disagree. I don’t identify with anything you’re saying about money. I’ve never valued men for their money. In fact, it’s viscerally unattractive to me when man have flashed their money/possessions at me like I’m supposed to find it appealing. I currently do, and probably always will, out earn my partner. I might feel similarly to you if I were a man, and I think you certainly would feel similarly to me if you spent some time being objectified and valued almost exclusively for your…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:20 PM
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Alright I take your point that certain qualities are more prevalent in young people. But the things men tend to fixate on, at least expressly, are physical features and not personality characteristics. That’s what I meant. My physical features are not “me” anymore than a man’s height or abs or jawline or money is “him.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:26 PM
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Youth is a stage of life that has nothing to do with who I am as a person. At least money correlates with ambition, competence, and work ethic, which will benefit a person’s own life outside of any dating or relationship context.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 08:12 PM
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While I appreciate the sentiment, women don’t talk about men’s “expiration date” the way men talk about women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:21 PM
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It’s shitty to feel like other people only value you for something external to who you are. The fixation on women’s youth is similar, but it’s physically impossible to maintain unlike money.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:41 PM
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I genuinely do not think that is true for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:15 PM
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Yes, I think women who feel that way should be upfront about their intentions also.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:14 PM
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I don’t think that’s a great analogy. If I knew my attraction to a guy would dry up if he started balding, and the guy knew for a fact he would start going bald in 7 years, then I should absolutely not pursue an LTR with him. I think part of the issue here is that men almost never talk about whether/how they maintain attraction a longterm partner who is inevitably going to age.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:12 PM
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Appreciate the honesty. Most men let themselves go and are not very attractive after 30, too. But I think women are more able to see the value in a person beyond their looks. I will say, in order to date ethically, you should be honest with the younger women you’re dating about your intentions and how you feel about older women. Give them an opportunity to bow out and not waste their time. I think most women will find your mindset shallow and really unattractive, unless they’re down for a purely…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 05:27 PM
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Are you planning on finding an LTR? What happens when your now-23 year old girlfriend is 30+? What is the incentive for a woman to enter a relationship with a man who will think she’s unattractive in 7 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:18 PM
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There’s some sort circular reasoning going on here. The purpose of the rebranding is to attempt to destigmatize that type of work. It has not yet been successful on a wide scale. You are correct that women who engage in sex work are still insulted and denigrated for what they do. The point is to change that. You saying, “well society’s going to think you’re a degenerate slut anyway” is just begging the question. Kids born out of wedlock used to be called “bastards.” “Born out of wedlock” is desc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:30 PM
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Alright, good chat. Would be interested in hearing your definition of “affirmation.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:17 AM
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I don’t know what “affirmation” means in this context. This is not a debate post. Dude straw manned what I said so I responded in kind. You seem equally disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:01 AM
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I don’t know what “affirmation” means in this context. This is not a debate post. Dude straw manned what I said so I responded in kind. You seem equally disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:59 AM
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I don’t understand the question and I won’t respond to it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:45 AM
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I really appreciate all of your responses here. A lot of it just strikes me as intuitively true. I’ve had a hard time articulating some of this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:39 AM
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Hard to answer without a more specific question. I will emphasize the importance of having a good haircut and well groomed facial hair. Like go to an actual salon if you can afford it. Solicit input from women in your demographic. Ive seen several guys go from unattractive to attractive just from a haircut.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:22 AM
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I’d be interested to hear your analysis of the “n” word, or any other racial epithet. Is your argument really that it’s all the same so who cares what word you use?? “Sex worker” is an intentional rebranding. The whole point is to emphasize that sex work is labor and remove the stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:57 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:50 PM
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You can't learn someone's personality without connecting with them emotionally I can observe someone interact with other people without ever interacting with them myself. By sexual attraction I didn't mean you being ready to have sex with the hot guy you run into on the spot, I meant you having sexual thoughts about him and considering such possibility at all based on his looks alone. I don’t have sexual thoughts about men based on looks alone. I may be more open to the possibility, yes, but aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 09:23 PM
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Tell that to my fiancé who did not immediately make my “hot” alarm go off but who I bang like an animal several times a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:46 PM
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Tell that to my fiancé who did not immediately make my “hot” alarm go off but who I bang like an animal several times a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:46 PM
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Good response re looks threshold. I tried to explain this elsewhere and it was hard to put into words.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:35 PM
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Yeah, I can notice in a few minutes of talking or observation if I’m attracted to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:30 PM
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Let me say it more clearly then. In my experience, looks alone are never enough to make me sexually attracted to someone. You can be hot as hell and I won’t want to fuck you unless I like other things about you. The hot guy I described above will get my immediate attention quicker than other men, but he still needs to demonstrate something beyond looks to make me sexually interested. On the other hand, a guy could be totally mid but smart and funny and that will make me want to fuck him. Yes, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:14 PM
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We are not alien species, so there is overlap. But we have different levels of sexual motivation (in general), which makes a big difference. I am almost never sexually attracted to someone based purely on looks. Even for the “hot” guy who would immediately catch my attention, it’s still more of an aesthetic attraction until he demonstrates that his personality is also attractive. Like I’m not going home and fantasizing about banging the hot dude I saw at the grocery store. Men who are less good …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:23 PM
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I think this is hard for women to answer because we’re not attracted to men in the same way they are to us. I work in a midsized downtown area. I see quite a few men (probably 5-10) on a daily basis who are attractive enough that if I interacted with them and found their personalities attractive, I’d be into them. Men I actually find hot on looks alone? Probably one or two a year, and the “hot” part usually requires looks + style. Same dude with bad hair and bad clothes would not catch my attent…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:21 PM
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Women call men incels as a go to insult a lot of times when men don’t agree or toe the line. Feminists are predominantly guilty of this as well which is ironic to say the least. Insinuating a man is a virgin when he disagrees with some woman is the go to insult modern women have. I would love to see an example of this. No one on this thread has provided one. As for (2) women take their frustrations on them being unsuccessful relationship wise on men all.the.fucking.time. Men are manchildren, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:24 PM
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I have one set of eyes, thanks. If you have two that may be the source of your problems with women. I’ve read the comments. There is no equivalency between (1) women calling men incels or whatever when they post their misogynistic screeds online about how women are all sluts who get used by chad and (2) men taking out their anger at being unsuccessful in sex and love on a woman whose post doesn’t even mention men. Please make it make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:02 PM
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Please enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:51 PM
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Alright, whatever. This is depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:08 PM
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Alright I mean that’s apples to oranges. That guy wore a shirt covered in half naked pornified women in a situation he knew was going to be heavily publicized. I don’t remember the incel comments specifically, and I’m sure you and I would agree that the total pile on he received was uncalled for. But isn’t it understandable that women would be upset? Like just a little bit? There really is no equivalency here. This woman posted a video about how she’s sometimes sad about being 32 and single but …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 06:34 PM
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Can you identify an example where a man posted an innocuous video like this and was inundated with comments calling him a virgin or incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 05:39 PM
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It is absolutely a gendered issue. There is no equivalent concerted effort by a portion of the female population to knock men down a peg and make them feel like shit about themselves. That is a uniquely male impulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 04:31 PM
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Ok but who’s clowning on those men? From what I’ve seen, it’s mostly other men and at a much smaller scale than what’s directed at women. The hate and ridicule women get online is unparalleled.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 02:22 PM
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Yeah, that’s tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:25 PM
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Has someone told you it’s because of your ethnicity? Do you find that women have to have “big flaws” in their face or body to be unattractive to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 01:45 PM
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Huh? OP was trying to point out some supposed hypocrisy of women for both wanting physically attractive men and being creeped out by men approaching them in particular ways. There is no hypocrisy there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 03:09 AM
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I hear what you’re saying. There is a threshold of physical attractiveness that men need to meet to be successful with women. If you’re below that threshold you’re going to have a hard time regardless of how stellar of a person you are. It doesn’t necessarily mean there is something wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:56 PM
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I mean I think the difference women are pointing out there is that we don’t just zero in on specific body parts and think about attractive men in primarily sexual terms. Everyone likes attractive people. To most women, a guy’s personality likely can’t make up for being butt ugly. But my attraction to a guy who’s decent enough looking but nothing special can absolutely build from not immediately attracted to very attracted based on his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:40 PM
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Not really sure. Maybe you can infer from that that he’s accomplished at his job and well liked among his peers? Those are good qualities for a person in general, but not something that would necessarily make me more attracted to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 09:35 PM
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Yeah you are completely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 08:32 PM
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In the abstract, number 1 hands down. Good looking, good style, close enough to my age, has his shit together. I actually prefer introverted men as long as they are able to be social when needed. The only thing number 2 has going for him according to your hypothetical is money and “business social status.” Otherwise, he’s out of shape and bald. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 08:11 PM
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I don’t understand the motivation to continue to insist that every man a woman has had sex with before you is some alpha chad she wanted to marry. Women are telling you over and over that that isn’t our experience. Ignoring all the AF/BB rhetoric, your post can be summed up as saying that both men and women settle for their best available option. No shit. That’s the reality of human relationships. Where’s the hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:43 PM
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I always thought “the ick” was internet lingo for a turn off that shouldn’t rationally be a deal breaker but just is. Like being obnoxious to waiters is a completely rational reason to be turned off by someone so wouldn’t fall into that category. The ick is more like being turned off by a guy because he clears his throat in a way you don’t like but can’t really put your finger on why it bothers you. I think women are much more likely to be turned off by men for smaller benign reasons like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 05:30 PM
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Look I can only speak for myself. The constant online fixation on the subject by some men does bother me. It indicates that there’s a decent sized group of men in the world who feel hurt and left out in sex and romance (probably justified) and project that hurt outwardly on women collectively (not justified). Those men seem far more interested in controlling women for their own sexual benefit than in working on building a society where the interests and needs of both men and women can be met. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 10:30 PM
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Ah ok. It’s impossible to argue with an omniscient being so I’ll end this here. I can tell you from personal experience that there are a lot of self possessed women in the world who like sex and have enjoyed having it casually with different men for some period of time in their lives, and then have gone on to fall in love and have lasting fulfilling relationships with people who respect them and treat them as the full complex individuals they are. I’m sorry if you have felt personally left out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:55 PM
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Well ok then it sounds like those women haven’t experienced any negative consequences. Are you mad you can’t force them to feel shame?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:17 PM
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Lol ok. If knowing that you’re being shamed is all that it means to “take accountability” then women have fully taken accountability for all of the things you mentioned in the OP and you have nothing to complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:07 PM
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It sounds like you’re arguing that no one ever has a right to question or disagree with another person’s judgment or treatment of them. That’s not a coherent worldview. By your own logic, men being shamed for getting into age gap relationships are just rightfully experiencing the consequences of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:34 PM
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I really don’t get what you’re on about. Adult humans can (and do) have agency and also have valid complaints about how other people treat them. Also, we usually don’t demand “accountability” from someone who hasn’t committed some sort of harm. Take your body count example and flip the genders. A man has a promiscuous past but ends up finding a woman he wants a relationship with. Does that woman somehow have license to play with his emotions and use him for validation/sex/money/whatever just bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:56 PM
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I’m not sure what repercussions or claim of victimhood you’re talking about, but that has nothing to do with the point I was making. Go ahead and be upset that women are finally becoming more empowered to seek what they want in life, including sex and relationships on their own terms. But insisting that young women who are making conscious decisions about what they want and acting on their own desires are just being used or “giving up the pussy” or whatever is ridiculous. Just admit you’re threa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 11:11 PM
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It’s the “getting played” and “giving up” language that pisses women off and reflects a terrible understanding of what most women are doing when they have multiple sex partners in their 20s. Imagine, if you can, a world in which women have sexual agency and actually enjoy having sexual connections with different people. This is also where some men’s expectations conflict with women’s own interests and well being. If you want to end up in a fulfilling, healthy LTR, you often need to play the fiel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:24 PM
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