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Ah, I see, will do. Thanks for the heads up!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 02:54 PM
2

Really? Why? As far as I'm aware I haven't broken any rules... Honestly at a loss here!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 01:21 PM
2

Er, semantics. I'm sure you know what the intended meaning was.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 09:42 AM
7

that would make me just a client, right? Yup. The same way she'd be just a client to you. Why hold others to different standards than you do yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 10:10 PM
2

If you buy into the more misogynistic aspects of TRP (read: AWALT), I don't see how you wouldn't become depressed to be honest. You're resigning yourself to resenting half of the people around you. If you choose to reduce what you see in the world to sex appeal and a shallow reckoning of people's 'value', then you're going to really really struggle to be happy in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 06:59 PM
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Wasn't directed at you! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 11:26 AM
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If that's the case, then TRP is following us, not the other way round. Some things are common sense. There might be some overlap, I don't deny it - but it doesn't make a relationship 'Red Pill'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 11:26 AM
1

Do you deserve respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 12:01 AM
2

they think about when they touch their clit Speak for yourself sis.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 11:50 PM
2

So if I were to say TRPers are universally arseholes it wouldn't be hate? It would just be a rational observation, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 11:47 PM
6

Hate to tell you bro, but you can't just point at things and call them 'red' because you like it and they happen to work. I'm in the same position as OP (happy 5 year LTR), and we're pretty 'blue'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 11:44 PM
4

I stopped reading when you made the assumption that attractiveness and intelligence are mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 10:34 PM
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Well, they shout each other down with cried if 'beta!', but they don't actually allow for dissenting opinion. So yes, it is very much a 'safe place' for Red Pillers...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 10:30 PM
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And where does r/TRP play into this comment? Because it sounds like you've described it exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 10:29 PM
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First off, I apologise for the delay in replying. While I've been on Reddit a little, I wanted to be able to have the time to respond to this properly. What is missing in your list, for me, is "understand the woman's behavior." That is as critical a component to romance as "understanding your customer" is to business. Hmm. I think we might fundamentally disagree here because I'm of the belief that people are inherently different, and that one product cannot cater to/apply to an entire consumer-b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 10:08 PM
3

There are many more members of TBP that the people who post there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 12:33 PM
3

The 'average' women today probably IS a casual feminist. As a feminist myself, I have to say I don't think this is the case at all. My SO is also a feminist, and he also probably wouldn't fit into the category you're hoping.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 11:12 PM
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3) Normal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 11:09 PM
2

Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 11:07 PM
3

Most 'feminists' identify with that term casually though, so it's not a very great indicator of anything at TBP. It's a pretty big umbrella, and I think the only common denominator among the 'feminists' at TBP is a distaste for TRP. the fact that you don't find a single one with a blue flair who has something bad to say about feminism is quite telling as well And you don't see many Red flairs who have anything negative to say about MRAs...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 11:06 PM
3

Yep haha - just see above! So bitchy about feminism...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 11:03 PM
6

TBP doesn't exist to pick apart and closely analyse TRP though - it's about poking fun at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:52 PM
4

They refuse to understand TRP because they're a little afraid that they might like it. Nah, that's not it. I understand TRP pretty well. I just also find it hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:48 PM
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Cognitive dissonance. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:47 PM
1

I haven't had the time yet but I will reply to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 10:17 PM
1

I can make statements too you know. All men are gay. Every single one. There's a study supporting it I read some time. You want to see it? Google it, and I'm sure there'll be at least one page out there that will tell you that. The original poster argued that women are happier when they're of unequal status to their partners, and claimed that this was 'strongly supported' by evidence. I quite reasonably asked to see that evidence - as instigator, the onus is on him, no matter that you deny it. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 10:11 PM
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No worries - life is busy! I think I might drop the economics argument for the time being because it's getting a little contrived - we seem to be at the point where the topics of business and romance diverge too much to be readily comparable. I do take your points from the analogy - I'll summate it very basically to a 'know the environment you're working in' argument and go from there. I attribute a lot of the "failure" I see regarding Red Pill to ignorance of the principles rather than to the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 07:49 PM
4

Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 06:37 PM
0

Wistful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 06:37 PM
0

Well, it's you guys and the rest of the world. Why are you on this sub if you're not seeking to make others understand your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 05:55 PM
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Calm down mate,...Insert 'Bluepillers' if you like. I address the need for clarity above. If you can't define what you mean, you'll struggle to make anyone understand you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:24 AM
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Yes, but when you claim something like this, the onus is on you to back it up - not the challenger. That's the whole point of debating; it's not my job to find your sources for you. I can't stress enough how much credibility you lose when your only reply is 'Google', and I'm going to have to call bullshit at this point unless you can prove otherwise with an actual source. Give me the exact source where you found this information and we'll leave it there. The fact that you still haven't is tellin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:20 AM
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Fair enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 10:48 PM
1

Uh yeah I'm sorry but 'Google it' doesn't count as a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 10:47 PM
1

No - but low-brow publications like the Daily Mail often get the the facts wrong and infer false conclusions; and so their interpretations of the study are most definitely suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 05:52 PM
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scale back the absolutism The Red Pill sidebar also says women are literally children Indeed. An observer would be forgiven for thinking that the absolutism originates with TRP. To be fair, it's pretty hard to 'discuss concepts and how they apply' if the Red Pill goalposts keep changing. Is AWALT literal or not? Pick and stance and stick with it - if you keep adding loopholes and caveats it makes it very difficult to actually debate with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 05:18 PM
0

I dunno. That sounds a lot like hamstering to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 05:12 PM
2

FTFY So AMALT bothers you? Why isn't AWALT AP[eople]ALT instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:26 PM
7

One study Well, that's one more than TRP has backing up some of its conclusions...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:21 PM
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which is actually incredibly strongly supported when sorting by myriad socioeconomic metrics, such as income, height, race, "desiredness", etc. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 12:10 PM
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In a nutshell: I guess people assume that the kind of men who might be opposed to even non-radical feminism are the same who tend to have had little romantic success with women and thus feel a certain amount of resentment towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 06:26 PM
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Yeah, but the thing is, the whole point of TBP is to poke fun at TRP; it's a sub for that specific and defined purpose and that purpose alone. Other subject matters are irrelevant on TBP, and hence do not come into the conversation - which is why they 'rarely differ from the same platitudes'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 06:03 PM
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Cute negging attempts. Do I get to call you dawg?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 10:02 PM
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I don't disagree, I'm not afraid of anything here, and I don't really think you're harming anyone except yourselves, so carry on. It's cute that you guys keep downvoting me, and I'm very flattered. <3 <3 <3
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 09:17 PM
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I already had the whole Cosmo vs TRP debate a few months ago (hint: they're not equivalent), so I won't get back into that. Suffice to say, I think it's fair to make the assessment that a good chunk of Terpers hold a significant and particular resentment of women. I just find it interesting that TRPers are so ready to get up in arms about what 'feminism' means for men while turning a blind eye to all the bashing of women that goes on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 09:06 PM
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Go to /r/twoxchromosomes and find a domestic abuse thread You said it, not me. Edit: You can't think of a reply so you go through my posts and downvote me instead? Classy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:47 PM
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Wait. Women in work/education is equivalent to domestic abuse..?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:44 PM
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Yeah. It's as funny as saying TRPers don't hate women, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:42 PM
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Yeah, I'm not doing that. One: it's none of your business. Two: you've already proven yourself pretty ridiculous if you can't begin to imagine that people can be happy and not be Red Pill. Edit: Actually, maybe I will go into a little detail, since I've just shown him this and he was rather amused by it all. He thinks TRP is a joke - I mean literally, he's not convinced you guys are for real. I guess we can add the facts that he's a feminist and doesn't act like an 'alpha' moron to the list. He …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 06:29 PM
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Why? Because you can't possibly accept that there are other ways of doing things? I can't speak for OP, but my SO is definitely far off from bring Red Pill, and he's pretty happy. Edit: for the record, it wasn't me who downvoted!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:23 AM
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I'm here to have a critical debate. Part of that is applying scrutiny to what is being said. I critically evaluated your statement and came to the conclusion that it was rather unfeasible. Now, are you prepared to back up the arguments you make, or are you just here to spout half-truths?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 10:03 PM
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That's why I specify 'practicing'. I'd certainly notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 09:57 PM
2

Uh huh. 'Extensive experience', huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:43 PM
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one of two things probably happened. One, I didn't fully understand the models of behavior mapped by economics, or Two, the economic model is wrong, at least as far as my business is concerned, and I need to use a new economic model. Well, this is a pretty shaky foundation to build your argument on (I'm not trying to be inflammatory, I appreciate that decent analogies can be hard to come up with!), but I'll try to reply in kind. You do not need an understanding of economics to run a successful b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:41 PM
2

Excuse me for jumping in here, but this is nagging at me. Very few people carry over their behaviour from /r/TheRedPill even to other subreddits, much less real life. Isn't the whole point of TRP learning to make some change in your behaviour/attitide towards life in in general, and towards women in particular? Even if he never spoke about it, I'm sure I'd be able to tell if one of my male friends suddenly got into TRP - I don't really see how one could practice 'true' TRP and not display some o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 06:25 PM
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'Blue pill types' = pretty much all of society. Blue pill is just not Red Pill. There IS not 'Blue Pill' ideology, and hence no 'Blue Pill type'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 06:18 PM
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Yup, a few of them have indeed (or are engaged to, in one case)! I will add that many of my peers are the career-driven 'liberal' type, so marriage isn't really high on anyone's agenda either way - it's more about the LTRs here, and in that case the consensus seems to be that the past doesn't matter. Honestly, I'd argue that these type of dudes (i.e. the ones not preoccupied with partner counts) are actually more likely to get married/LTR, being that they're rather well-adjusted and all that...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 07:34 PM
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23, female, nobody's business but probably not what RPers would badly like to believe of me. (For some extra background, I'm a working professional, take care of myself, and happy LTR'd with gorgeous guy RP might consider 'beta'.)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 03:15 PM
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I don't get it either. Granted, I'm saying that as a chick, but many of the guys I've spoken to about this (including LTR) don't give a hoot. The ones that do tend to have some other hangup about women or about themselves and their own self-worth. Also thankful I'm not out to impress any RPers! All that babysitting of egos...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 03:10 PM
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lol. Point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 03:06 PM
2

So it's only ever Red Pill if it's successful? Isn't that kind of, well, cherry-picking? If you're just ignoring all the unsuccessful instances in favour of the one successful instance, can you confidently say it works?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 02:59 PM
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Rather off-topic but: In a successful application of TRP no one would even know that you were interested in that particular girl [...] It's funny that. It seems like the only encounters TRP ever actually deems as being truly 'Red Pill' are ones that were successful. When you try Red Pill tactics and you're not successful, they say you weren't truly Red Pill. It's like TRP only wants to claim success stories, and wholly disowns the myriad unsuccessful stories...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 02:56 PM
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Sex [...] harms exactly nobody. Well, except maybe the manly pride of insecure TRP guys. Let's keep it real - if anything bruises a TRP ego, it's other people's sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 02:46 PM
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If Terpers had to provide verification for their posts and 'field reports'? TRP would fall apart. That sub runs on bullshit and exaggeration. Without it, they'd have to get used to tumbleweeds. Oh, I'm sure there'd be one or two verifiable stories, but I think for the most part it would be a pretty quiet haunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 02:38 PM
2

Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 08:11 AM
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I'm sorry you've been having trouble with your vagina. That must be problematic for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 10:22 PM
1

Fair enough. Just that you see this kind of thing from TRP all the time, where there are these huge sweeping statements made with no evidence to back them up. Indeed, from where I'm sitting, all of TRP is based on this kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 10:10 PM
2

Well, we disagree. We'll leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 09:22 PM
2

You're wasting your time with this guy. He likes to try to discredit you by prefacing just about all of his bullshit points with 'I'm sure a big fat feminist wouldn't understand'. He's like an old broken record.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 09:21 PM
1

except RPers. RPers will tell you all sorts of shit about how hunter gatherers lived, then not back it up and yet insist on the validity of said shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 08:05 PM
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Serious question: are you being ironic?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 08:02 PM
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Tagging trolls? We can do that? Please, you must teach me this wondrous trick!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 07:42 PM
2

Oh, so in your world, getting raped is the same as having consensual sex with someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 07:39 PM
2

...it isn't possible that she just believed he was innocent and didn't want him to be charged for something he (apparently) wasn't guilty of? It kind of seems like you're just looking for a reason to point the finger at women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 07:31 PM
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Yes, that does seem to be the only way some men might ever get laid. I can see why you'd wholeheartedly support this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 07:19 PM
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Oh dear. You sound very oppressed my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 06:52 PM
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Well, obviously talking about the ideas of TRP to a boy and bringing him up as an actual practicing TRPer are two different things. I don't actually think the former would do much harm, so long as he had some positive guidance - but I'd be worried about the latter, when it comes to actually passing on such attitudes about life and human relationships to young boys. This is because TRP simply does not teach its followers to value people as human beings. Everything in TRP comes down to SMV, and wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 06:51 PM
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I'm not interested in arguing on TRP terms that AWALT, so if that's the only way you can look at this then I'm out. You could be hit by a bus, but you also tale proactive safety steps to try to assure it doesn't happen- same as dread game and assuming the worst of women The safety precaution in this scenario is choosing your partner wisely: look before crossing the road; consider before entering a relationship. Dread game is akin to the aforementioned constant paranoia that will interfere with o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 10:38 PM
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By this logic the only way I can prevent someone stealing from me is by threatening to steal from them first. The truth is, if you're with the type of person who's going to cheat on you, there's really nothing you can do about it. To echo what others have said, you choose your partner carefully - and beyond that, you are absolutely powerless. It's like worrying about being hit by a bus - it could happen; but worrying about it all the time isn't going to get you anywhere. Indeed, worrying about i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 09:21 PM
2

So the only options available are 'tatted up Sex and the City Chick' or 'Red Pill Woman'?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 04:36 PM
2

So when a woman declines sex, an act that she barely needs to participate in I feel sorry for you bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 03:13 PM
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Hah. By that same standard there seems to be an epidemic of low-to-non-existent libidos among Terpers' sexual partners. How curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 03:10 PM
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lol. Her boyfriends sound Red Pill because she has sex with them? I hate to break it to you, but you don't need to be Red Pill to get laid or have a happy relationship. Most happy relationships are NOT Red Pill, which is a relatively new phenomenon. A lot of Red Pill stuff, (such as take care of yourself, don't put pussy on a pedestal, project confidence) is just common sense to most guys. They aren't Red Pill secrets. By your standards, if I told you about my relationship you'd probably say my …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 02:54 PM
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Eh, fair enough - I'm often the same!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 02:33 PM
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someone who would want to have sex with them when they didn't want it. Isn't that the whole point here? Why would anyone ever have had cause to say 'no' if their partners only ever initiated sex when they both wanted it? I'm not going to say 'no' to sex if I want it. What kind of horrible relationships do they have? It's a bit presumptuous/wistful thinking to assume that Blue Pillers are married to the kinds of people who would 'take not share' sex - just like it's presumptuous and wistful think…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 02:11 PM
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I think the disconnect for me comes from reading the TRP main sub and RoK, and seeing what they say about the 'never say no' thing. From the TRP male point of view, it sounds like they believe women should have much less agency when it comes to sex - to the point that it would surely be less than enjoyable for the woman. I get that these guys aren't who you're married to, but I think the incredulity comes from more from the TRP side of things. I don't actually see anything unreasonable about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 01:42 PM
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Nice one keeping it classy dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 01:17 PM
0

Fair enough. I doubt he will come back, but he could prove me wrong...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 05:27 PM
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What? why would he back it up with such an inconsequential thing as evidence? Just take his word for it, dude. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 05:19 PM
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? And you conducted this conclusive study yourself, did you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 03:56 PM
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And now watch the hamsters shuffle in...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 10:11 AM
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Sorry about the delayed reply, I'm a bit Reddit-deprived this week. It seems we do broadly agree! I've basically been arguing that there's an evolutionary reason that men and women value sexual activity differently. I hope (hope) we agree on that point at least. We do. I probably didn't make it clear enough, but I definitely accept as fact men being evolutionarily programmed to - well, to hit everything in sight, and that women are not. My whole point, (and this is really my only point), is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:00 AM
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I'm quite happy to debate with most of the people on here, who back up the arguments they make with actual reasoning (shocking I know) and don't just go 'uh sluts are sluts cuz they're sluts, duh!!1' or 'Sex for men is totally different, ya stupid feminist!'. lol, believe me, I am not even remotely daunted at the thought of taking you on. The problem isn't me, it's you. A glance through your posting history made it clear that reasoned debate is just not one of your strong points, and I'm sorry b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:24 AM
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2/2 I think I've got a pretty good handle on why men don't like them, as I hope I've shown you in the last few comments. You've coherently pointed towards the reasons some men might not feel comfortable around sluts. I don't deny that this phenomenon exists. I just don't think they're very valid reasons in the cases where the double standard applies (e.g. stud guy expecting virgin wife) given the reasons I've outlined myself. It's a whole range of things, like does she lie to him, does she make …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:38 PM
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TL;DR It's social, rather than bio-evolutionary, factors that play into the negative interpretation of female sexuality, and given that female sexuality no loner holds the risks it once did such a cultural aversion to it is no longer appropriate. Also, this is getting obscenely long, so I had to split it into two. >_> 1/2 Hmm. I think there are two threads to this debate: 1) the evolutionary reasons for male and female sexuality being held different standards, and 2) the rationale behind maintai…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:31 PM
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I'm really not. If we're just playing Guess My Age however, I'm done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:11 PM
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so as long as she is attracted to me she shouldn't have problems with receiving pleasure. I'm sorry, but I have to tell you. You're doing it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 08:10 PM
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And? All the pro-TRP posts on here can be summed up as TRP = good. That's kind of the whole point? I gave my honest opinion on TRP and why it will harm OP. And what's your won comment doing? I see no refutation of any of my points. Your own comment = TL;DR: pointless comment is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 07:33 PM
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A little tip if you're hoping to engage someone in a debate: don't be immature and throw insults around about feminism. Kay? This is a debate sub, not TRP. I'm not going to bother engaging you, because your arguments are flimsy and frankly you don't seem like a very challenging opponent. If you want to open up a debate come up with some reasons to back up your assertions, and try to act like you're older than 13.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 07:28 PM
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Uhm hamstering = the mental gymnastics involved in convincing yourself of something stupid, right? You asserted that sex =/= sex, and then tried to defend that stance; so yeah I think you've got that one down pat. I didn't take any time to respond because the assertion you made had no reason behind it to refute. Just another bunch of assertions. This average feminist sees a hamster in our midst.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 07:17 PM
1

My age is neither relevant to this discussion nor any of your concern?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 06:57 PM
1

A woman who has a lot of sex isn't getting the same benefit from it that a man would. A man has a bio evolutionary incentive to have lots of sex with lots of women in order to spread his sperm. Yes, but as humans what makes us different from animals is that we're increasingly able to overcome our evolutionary programming. If we're so driven by these strict natural laws of gender and procreation, why then do any 'high value' men settle down with just one woman? Why would any woman choose to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 06:55 PM
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You don't seem to have addressed any of the points I made and there's no attempt at a refutation of my argument, so I'm not sure what purpose this comment serves? You've basically said 'the case is X', and then provided no backup for why you believe X to be the case - so it totally fails as any sort of rational argument. And then when you failed to make a reasoned argument, you fell back on the 'personal attacks' you love accusing others of - heh, calling me a slut, what a stellar argument you m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 12:14 PM
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You're a fragile little soul, aren't you? All these 'cute little personal attacks'. You provided no argument in your own comment and instead opted to police my response time, so there was no argument from you for me to refute with ad hominem. I simply suggested that I had other shit to do. I've responded to ThorLives, and will not have a fit if he proves to be a busy person too. Unless you have something to add to the discussion, feel free to get lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 07:03 PM
2

the guy who's good at exams and gets an A average is less worthy of praise than a guy who works his ass off and gets a B+ average. I think most of us would agree. I suppose you could make the argument that the A average student is worthy of less praise, but at the end of the day he is not going to be a less capable doctor than his B+ counterpart. I mean, I see what you're saying about effort-in praise-out; but in practical terms I don't see how this translates to A student being any less worthy …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 06:02 PM
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Isn't this what TRP calls 'hamstering'..? Because despite your words, I'm still pretty sure sex = sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 05:28 PM
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My analogy wasn't the best no - I admit, it was the first one that came to mind. However, in terms of the bottom line being one person having to work harder to obtain 'it' (sex/graduating), I think it holds that the end result is the same - both parties are graduating, and both parties (slutty man and slutty woman) are having the same amount of sex. I don't see why this should play into as assessment of and lead to some differentiation between each parties status as a good doctor or a sexual per…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:52 PM
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lol dude, excuse some of us for having a life. I was getting round to it... Edit Aww, did I hurt your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:14 PM
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Nope. Can't say that I'd given it much thought to be honest - especially since I see little point in engaging you in debate if you've convinced yourself from the outset that any arguments I make are already invalid. Since you ask though, I will point out that your argument against TRP being a hate group is based on semantics ('group' vs 'organised group'). I know you think it's shocking that others see a person spouting hatred towards a group and might assume that person was hateful, but that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:05 PM
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Exactly. That's because there's no sizable social stigma attached to men having a lot of sex. Calling a woman a 'slut' is hurtful precisely because women having a lot of sex is frowned upon. Why else isn't there a word for a male 'slut' (unless you count 'man whore, which I believe is relatively new)?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 09:00 PM
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...You're a troll, right? I honestly can't tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 08:36 PM
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Wow, another one? You're on a roll.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:54 PM
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Does this basically boil down to: women are sluts because of differing testosterone levels then? o.O
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:26 PM
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Do you have a source on this? Also, as far as I know, no link has even been made between number of casual sexual partners and the number of successful exclusive romantic relationships one has accrued.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:22 PM
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They are more prone to infidelity I think we need some sources on that one...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:21 PM
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But doesn't that make men the sluts? If it's so easy to obtain sex from a man, but it's difficult to obtain sex from a woman..?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:18 PM
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There's a leap of logic here though. A counter example: two medical students - one finds it incredibly easy to retain information and excels in exams, the other finds it more difficult to grasp the curriculum and has to pull more all-night study sessions than his more gifted counterpart. Arguably the latter student works harder for his degree; but the end result is the same as both graduate well and go on to practice medicine. Does this mean the doctor who didn't have to pull so many all-nighter…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:11 PM
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Dude you need to chill out. Even TRPers are becoming wary of you...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 01:25 PM
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From reading through your comments on here, it sounds a lot like you've already resigned yourself to a bitter hatred and may as well join Red Pill. All I can say is that if happiness and companionship are what you're looking for in life and in your relationships, you won't find it through TRP. It may help you to get laid by virtue of some new-found faux confidence - not that the notion that confidence helps you get laid is new. But in terms of relationships, why do the great majority of people m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 01:20 PM
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No, but in reasoning with OP it was probably useful to give some personal insight on women, as opposed to all the blind assertions about women that men on TRP make...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 12:37 PM
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o.O But there is no Blue Pill doctrine... TBP as a sub doesn't advocate anything except poking fun at TRP. And y'know, being diametrically opposed to much of TRP, I suppose we advocate silly little tid-bits like seeing women as people - but aside from that there's...well, there's no nothing at all except lols. Also, TBP is populated by people who have read TRP sidebar and have concluded that the whole thing is laugh-worthy. Hence the lols. So I think it's not so much a case of convincing OP to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 12:33 PM
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Are you serious though? I'm copy-pasting the Wiki definition of 'hate group' for quickness: A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society. Red Pill philosophy is pretty much a manifesto for why you should hate and/or mistrust all woman, while advocating emotional manipulation (read: bullying) of other pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 12:08 PM
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It's embarrassing for you because you so clearly haven't done your research before spewing pseudo-scientific 'facts' all over this thread, and the reality of the situations is pretty much the polar opposite of what you were trying to assert, so I guess I'm saying you couldn't have been more wrong? Like I said, Wikipedia is just a good TL;DR starting point. Ah, a penis size insult. The last refuge of the insecure. I must say, I didn't think you'd use a size joke so soon. lol, I'm a chick mate so …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 11:13 AM
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Hmm. His comment sounds a lot like a baseless assertion, and I imagine it probably is loaded with that very double standard. 'This should be so because I say so, but only exactly how I say it'. I don't know how much sense can be extrapolated from that kind of blind prejudice. His assertion just can't stand up to rational reasoning; hence the downvote, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:19 PM
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He can;t answer. He'll just downvote you instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:36 AM
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Not a chance. Assertions abound.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:32 AM
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There's really no difference. That's the riddle. Masculinity is dominant leadership. Femininity is submissive compliance. Can't you see how this is purely a social construct though? The difference between the physical (sex) and the mental (gender) was outlined above - and these frames of reference you discuss (masculine and feminine) belong squarely in the mental. Therefore, what constitutes masculine or feminine can be defined arbitrarily; and in reality these traits are fluid across the gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:26 AM
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I'm not certain, but I believe that technically speaking the 'female/woman' (and male/man) assignations are labels pertaining to sex and not to gender (the difference between each being as discussed above). I'm not sure what the label for a feminine man would be, if there even is one. Perhaps someone else on here has more insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:06 AM
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Uh-Oh Well, that's a bit embarrassing for you, isn't it? TL;DR: Science suggests the opposite - that female is the default developmental pathway for a fetus. Based on your kind of logic, we might surmise that men are (literally) just women with overgrown clitorises. You need to do some reading. I thought this was like, general knowledge? I have linked to the Wikipedia entry for ease of access, but medical journals would provide more insight. Edit: By 'gender', I'm assuming you meant 'sex', based…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 10:57 AM
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Uh-huh. Sure. So we just cannot get away from that bottom line in every scenario: Blame Women. God forbid we have a constructive discussion, right? Once more you have completely misconstrued the points I'm making. I'm not saying that porn necessarily makes men into bad lovers. Many women now admit to and a majority probably do watch porn, but the general consensus is that most porn is really not all too instructive for either gender, no matter what you say. And now you're just pulling a whole bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 05:51 PM
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No, you just seem intent on blaming one gender for things. Like I said, I'm not playing a blame game, and chicks definitely have to do their part and communicating what they like. But when it comes down to it, 'I blame women' is just not a rational response to the question of sexual skill. (If anything, porn - as someone mentioned earlier in this thread - probably has a lot to answer for here.) I kind of feel like you're just arguing over my head without listening to me. I'm not making any accus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 05:20 PM
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lol I love how the guy takes absolutely zero responsibility in any scenario. Again, spoken like a true Red Piller. I don't actually disagree about the communication thing and I think both parties have to work together at things like this. I'm not playing a blame game here at all; hence why I called out an_absolute_rose. But I'm hardly divesting women of all responsibility for their uh, 'bodies, choices and actions' by suggesting that 'I blame women' is an irrational response to this problem, am …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 04:54 PM
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lol. I believe the point in question was cunnilingus. Is it your girlfriend's fault if you're bad at going down on her?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 04:37 PM
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I blame women. Spoken like a true Red Piller. That about sums things up for a lot of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 04:40 PM
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Red Pill is a little above and beyond your standard gender traditionalism, though. If you prefer taking care of things at home while your partner works and takes care of the finances, keep doing whatever you're doing. If you want to internalise ideas about your being an emotional teenager and literally being lower value than your husband, forsaking any stake in your own person, then go with Red Pill. But don't be fooled into thinking Red Pill is just about traditionalism. That's an insult to tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 03:03 PM
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Heh, it happens!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 08:06 PM
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Yes but. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:11 PM
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Must be why other forums and pop culture in general always proclaim that you need to tip toe around calling your SO fat and physically unattractive. Again, this is why I said Context and subject matter are everything. How would you feel if your SO told you that you looked fat? That you smelled really bad all the time? That you were losing your looks? I don't think either gender likes to hear these things, and neglecting to point them out is called telling white lies - and there's a big differenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 06:07 PM
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lol sure. I have absolutely no doubt that TRP subscribers are being honest, but it doesn't mean it's healthy. I'd say most men don't think so negatively about women, and that they can be honest about fact this and NOT meet hostility. Nice to see a well thought-out response to my points though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:57 PM
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I'm not sure I buy into the whole 'happy wife, happy life' thing myself. You might have a point about men suffering in silence and women being more vocal, why ever that is (?). However, this study observed that 'much of [a good marriage] comes down to the spirit couples bring to the relationship. Do they bring kindness and generosity; or contempt, criticism, and hostility?' or, in general, emotional availability. Emotionally contented couple; happy marriage, is what I took away from this. I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:24 PM
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Uh no, women go ballistic because of the absolute rampant misogyny on that sub - and while we're at it, so do many men; so does that mean that men go ballistic when confronted with honesty too? And exactly which group of women are you talking about here? Asserting that women in general just don't like honesty with no regard for the subject matter is a rather flippant approach to the issue. I know TRP's whole thing is to generalise all women everywhere, but I'm quiet certain that women might reac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:16 PM
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They don't? Do most people then describe healthy relationships as emotionally closed-off/manipulative and mistrusting? I don't think what we call white lies like the example you mentioned necessarily run counter to the generally open and honest nature of a relationship. My partner can tell me he thinks this (in reality rather shitty) cake I just made tastes great without sacrificing the honesty at the core of our relationship. It's the graver things - like trying to manipulate your partner into …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 05:01 PM
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I'm pretty sure most people define a 'healthy'' relationship as one that is open and honest...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:19 PM
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Yes but I don't think 'releasing your inner beta' really counts when it's all part of some larger, controlling mind game...It's still pretty much the antithesis of what this article flags as leading to a happy marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:16 PM
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Why? They discovered what they were looking for; it's emotional availability that leads to a happy marriage. Ergo, happy men and happy women. No? It's only complicated if you seek to make it so...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:14 PM
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Gilmore Girls might be fiction, but I have to say I think the 'hot giys get all the girls and average guys get zilch' is a bit of an unfounded cliche too. I think either ('average' guys/'average' girls, 'hot' guys/'hot' girls) scanario is just as likely to occur, and I saw both pairings in roughly the same ratio in high school. As fond as TRP is of anecdotes (which is frankly all this is anyway), surely this counts for something? Frankly, it’s offensive as hell to tell an awkward loser of a man,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 03:28 PM
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Oh look, it looks like the lady version of TRP. And it looks like it's equally reviled, based on the comments on the article...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 09:27 PM
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Haha, I love that you were downvoted. Twerpers cannot admit that you exist. Edit: I am sitting here laughing at you, little downvote TweRP. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 06:00 PM
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Did I draw too much of an assumption from your comment about unequal contributors to society not deserving equal respect? It suggested that you deemed unequal distribution of respect an appropriate state of affairs, which is surely a hindrance to egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 05:33 PM
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Hey I'm not for forcing them to either, we agree there. I believe u/BluesF was referring to 'physical jobs' when he said that men are generally more suited. Computer science and engineering are not heavy labour fields, and it hasn't been shown that women are less suited than men to these career paths - just that they tend not to chose those them as often. As far as I'm aware, there are no attempts to 'force' women into heavy labour jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 04:17 PM
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I like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 03:04 PM
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So you're basically just looking for an excuse to come out an say that YOU think men and women shouldn't be equal, aren't you? Obviously there are physical differences between the genders - men tend to be physically stronger/faster than women, and of course their physiology in general is different. There are even some areas where I could agree with TRP ideas about men and women being attracted to different characteristics in the opposite sex - though they I think they're a lot more limited than …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 03:02 PM
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Which labour-heavy/physical jobs or fields though? Can you name any of these fields from which 'those better suited' are forced out?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:37 PM
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Thing is though, that's exactly what feminists are advocating for. They want women to be able to contribute equally in society. It's people like you who seem to want to prevent this, and then whine about women not contributing as much...You want to have your cake, and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:30 PM
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lol. source.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:24 PM
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Holy shit! Did your girlfriend really do that?? One time?! Wow. EVERY woman on the planet must be like that ONE TIME she did that one thing...I bet you would never do this, you alpha stallion. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:10 PM
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I don't respect ianturpiesmoustache's debate style. Okay, first, I'm calling you out on this too. Again, I think you just got lazy or realised you that you could not provide an answer that would work for TRP theory. Red Pill is nothing but dodgy advice, and so my assessment of Cosmo as Red Pill for girls plus click bait to have the appearance of an innocent lady ragazine is basically accurate. I can't say I've ever taken much interest in Cosmo myself but I'm familiar with the kind of stuff it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 09:26 AM
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Wow there. That's one way right there - you pose a statement as a question, then can be comfortable waiting for someone else to put far more effort into answering it than it took to ask it to begin with. lol. I don't know if you've ever actually tried to have a rational debate before, but that's kind of how it works. You've posited something - in this case that women 'act like teenagers', a rather wild and unfounded claim and one that does require some addressing if you hope to defend it - and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 07:17 AM
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No. I think you're just really struggling to answer the question u/ianturpiesmoustache has asked you repeatedly in this exchange...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 11:20 AM
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Bit late to the gig here but reading through this I couldn't help but notice. You basically compare: 1) not disclosing number of previous sexual partners to rape. 2) Making the decision to have casual sex to raping and killing with abandon. You go on to claim that this is faulty reasoning. In classic examples of hyperbolic comparison and then straw-manning, you made such leaps of logic and asserted that they were ridiculous. All you have dismantled here is your own faulty reasoning - and you see…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 10:46 AM
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Red Pill definitely comes from the same kind of place 'Nice Guy' does. It's also the same place that the concept of the 'friendzone' hails from - basically, a shallow perception of 'what women want' based upon the false premise that there is some special combination of behaviour that will get you laid; calculated attempts at romantic maneuvering. I think it all stems from the same place of resentment that wooing tactics have not worked. If you're naturally a 'nice guy' there's no problem; it's e…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 07:04 PM
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Oh right, my bad. In that case, I posit the same question: have you ever actually experienced a loss of respect for a man as a result of his showing emotion? And how exactly, in your opinion, does a man define and want respect? You seem to be suggesting that respect as defined by a man is different from the kind of respect a women wants to give him, is that correct? But if that kind of respect can be lost by his showing emotion, then it probably isn't truly respect, but just an empty set of rule…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 04:47 PM
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But really, what makes you so sure of that? It's interesting that you keep suggesting you know what women want more than they do. Are you a woman yourself who has experienced a loss of respect for a man because he showed emotion? I'm guessing you're not - but even if you were, everyone is different. As much as I don't think personal anecdotes should really apply to any of this, I will say that if a guy feels that he is able to express himself and be emotional with me, I would only feel more conn…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/14 01:12 PM
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So in that equation, an expression of powerful emotion can only ever lead to a realignment of power in the relationship..? It's always so interesting to hear what Red Pill think women want and what women know they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/14 02:40 PM
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[TRP Men are] not interested in wifing up women that think having premarital uncommitted sexual relationships are totally fine. Just to be clear - the same standard does not apply to men? Men are free to have as many partners as they like on their road to a committed relationship and will not invoke a lowering of their value as a husband/long term partner? As I understand it, Red Pill men are encouraged to sleep with many partners. If you're truly looking for a 'chaste woman' to partner up with …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 08:03 PM
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