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I really can't stand people that don't understand statistics and relative scale. That's unfair. I understand those concepts just fine. You spoke in absolutes and I responded to those absolutes. That doesn't mean I don't understand things that you appeared not to be talking about or applying. Like, as if they aren't looking for the problems with him before having kids with him. As if they don't know. No, they knew. I never said anything about women looking or not looking for problems with men bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:55 AM
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Guess I'll have to see how I feel in about 2 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:36 AM
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The truth is that people will radiate towards you if you simply treat them as a person. So much agreement with this. It's a whole lot more authentic and rewarding than manipulating people too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:30 AM
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somebody based off their personal experience advised me people would look up your account info and treat you worse if they found out you posted there Geez, that's shitty. So much for "community." I think the tipping point was some guys saying it's ok to mistreat women because all but the "unicorns" are bad and they don't have time to sort out on the possibility of a girl being said unicorn so they are ok with mistreating all women even if they might hurt a good girl in the process. Yep, definite…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:22 AM
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I'm guessing you're not a cat person... (Isn't that like reddit treachery? 😉)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:12 AM
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So why chastise women for choosing attractive men if you choose women solely on the basis of looks and sex? ETA: I'm not sure why I didn't comment on the rest of what you said earlier, because it's some really bad science... it makes the next generation as dumb as this one and down the line it goes If women would breed with the smartest men, who the hell knows how far we could go. But they don't care about that. This reads like incel content. You do realize that genetic aspects of intelligence a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 02:37 AM
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Dont care about internet strangers fee fees I'm not just talking about women on the internet. Unless TeRPs are all psychopaths/extremely skilled manipulators, I have a hard time believing that no woman will pick up on any of the negative beliefs espoused by TeRPs. But I guess one of the RP rules is not to care about women's feelings at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 02:30 AM
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ITT: Some very good answers and then some guys who apparently find it very difficult to come up with something nice to say about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 02:19 AM
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I don't think playing the lottery is the best example of ambition... I think when most people consider ambition, they think about it involving hard work or determination. In this case, the lotto scenario seems more like an example of risk-taking or risk-aversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:32 AM
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What are you getting at with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:24 AM
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So all in all, the people who are the ones who needed to hear it either don't think they are a problem or don't care. And the guys who are innocent feels falsely accused and targeted and respond in the only way they can, by alienating women. I agree that this is a reasonable possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:19 AM
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Never heard of this video (albeit I'm not super up to speed on MeeToo). Thanks for the link. Will watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:16 AM
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I actually don't know any specific colognes (where I know both name and smell) off-hand. I'm sure I'd like some, but I think a nice, clean smell is sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:14 AM
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Great. This is just an aside, but based on your recent post (photo therein), you're a physically attractive person. You probably don't need all of this RP stuff to get anywhere with women. I'm not sure what you're looking for (sex or a relationship, though I know most RP advice is geared towards casual sex and "plating."). Regardless, you could probably get what you want without resorting to RP tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:53 AM
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Just because I call myself red pilled doesnt mean I agree with everything any other person who calls himself red pilled has said Fair enough. Pick a given claim please Please tell me a few of the RP claims that you do believe, and I'll choose from those. In response to the above, I don't want to pick something other TeRPs say that you don't agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:41 AM
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Cool. I was a young college girl and am now an older college girl. I know 0 women who have left one man for another, and only 2 who have cheated. I have a number of close male friends who discuss their dating experiences and not one has ever mentioned being involved in a branch-swinging scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:36 AM
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How many real-world, firsthand examples do you, ChaddamHussein, have for any given claim that TRP makes about women? And what proportion of all of the women you've met do those examples represent? And what proportion of the female population do the women you've met represent? TRP also seems to believe that women are responsible for their negative circumstances because they "chose poorly." So, if you and other TeRPs are having negative experiences with women (that some men aren't having), who's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:34 AM
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Some do. Some claim that a large proportion of women are branch-swingers. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/8ytct5/q4bp_whats_wrong_with_generalizing_all_women/e2dlymj
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:28 AM
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Well, then I think it's pretty unreasonable for TeRPs here to claim things like "90% of women are branch-swingers," "women want men to die in a fire," etc. based on a few of their personal experiences. These are actual examples from recent PPD discussions. These claims are inflammatory and insulting to a large number of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:25 AM
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You didn't, but much of TRP does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:20 AM
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From our other comment thread, I now know that you don't believe TRP to be definitive science. Unfortunately, some people do seem to think that what I quoted is scientific fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:20 AM
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As is for all branches of science Indeed. But this is why a multi-system approach is necessary. TRP should be considering more than just evo psych and anecdotal evidence (which is not science). field testing the ideas yourself and seeing what works and doesnt work, keeping and building on what works and discarding what doesnt work is pretty scientific. True to an extent, but one's personal experiences cannot be used to explain all of humanity, even if other people in the Manosphere express havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:18 AM
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an exciting high status badboy on a motorcycle who has DT traits generally give many young women more tingles than a pretty boy with model looks but is a boring chump I weep for science.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:12 AM
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Are you going to negate the fact that men also go for women who are highly attractive in the physical sense, and that those women might have negative traits that might be passed down to their children? It's absolutely false and unfair to suggest that women are the only ones out there looking for someone "pretty."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:10 AM
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Just because it brings down women from their pedestal of being angels with no faults doesn't mean it is insulting them. Yeah, that's most certainly not all it does. On the topic of reality and accuracy (which does matter too)... TRP should be aware that there are criticisms of evolutionary psychology. It's not perfect, nor is it correct in all of its ideas. I've studied psychology fairly extensively. One single branch of the field cannot be used to explain human nature. TRP cherry picks informat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:50 PM
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Because it doesnt affect us as much, it is relevant to understanding its root from an evolutionary psychology perspective, but not relevant to sexual strategy and navigation of the modern SMP. So, the more negative modern view of hypergamy is talked about more, as I said. In this vein, most TRP discussions I see treat hypergamy as a negative thing. What do you disagree about? I disagree that TRP is neutral. It's often judgmental and used as a way of insulting people under the guise of "this is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:29 PM
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But The way it is expressed in modern society is how TRP often talks about it. I don't see nearly as much discussion from TRP about hypergamy as an evolved psychological trait that makes women want to instinctively ensure that the man who's going to take care of them and their offspring with his genes in it while the woman and her offspring both are vulnerable for the next 15 years has the best genes and provider/protector traits that the woman is able to secure. TRP can talk all day about how i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:19 PM
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This is the problem I have with some of the RP responses on here. If bloops or women don't treat people with respect, they're horrible. If TeRPs don't treat people with respect, it's because they're "enforcing standards" or "setting boundaries."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:12 PM
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when all women have to say is that trp/men in general are a bunch loser manchild virgins who they wouldn't give the time of day I think that's an exaggeration. I see lots of women here treating men with respect. Respect for TRP seems a little lower, I'll grant you that, and there are some exceptions to women being respectful. Treat people how you want to be treated. That's my philosophy too (see flair), and I'm a woman. Never called anyone a loser manchild virgin as long as I've lived.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:05 PM
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+1 for a good answer and a laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:02 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:59 PM
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Well, at least that's one person. I think it would do many people here some good to be less rigid with their generalizations and recognize that people (both men and women) are individuals and don't all fit into neat little AxALT boxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:53 PM
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Well, I mean from an RP perspective, it usually comes across as a negative. TeRPs seem to have a lot of judgment to pass on women and negative things to say about hypergamy ("Women are branch swingers!" "She can't be trusted!" "Your girl is loyal? Just you wait! Eventually her true nature will emerge." and so on). a danger to my financial and emotional well being Sounds kind of negative to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:46 PM
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I know, right? I was shocked to hear about them. I looked at a globe and a map on the wall and wondered, "What's all this other stuff?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:42 PM
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It is interesting. I think it's also important in discussions about crime (and other topics) to remember that the U.S. is not the only country in the world. Gender differences in the U.S. may not be the same everywhere. For anyone to make claims about men or women (or any other group) based on observations in a single country or worse, a single jurisdiction or region within a country, is not prudent nor necessarily accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:35 PM
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Isn't hypergamy usually seen as a negative thing? If so, this comes across as more of a backhanded compliment than a true positive trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:30 PM
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These fbi statistics are 5/6 years old. I've got you. I linked to some more recent stats. They show similar values.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:18 PM
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Women are just as criminally inclined as men. They're just not as good at it. The 2015 FBI Crime in the U.S. stats suggest otherwise (been trying to find a 2016 or 2017 version of this table, but I'm not having much luck). https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-42 Prostitution and commercialized vice is the only category for which more women than men were arrested. This is consistent with Canadian statistics and a textbook I have as well. ETA: I think what …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:09 PM
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Well, saying that women have less ambition isn't exactly positive...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:48 PM
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Well said, and betrayal is indeed a negative human behavior, not unique to one gender or the other. In this branch-swinging discussion, it seems that TRP wants to discount that some men also leave women for others they consider better (on top of discounting that there are many women who don't).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:42 PM
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Very well said, shoup.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:30 PM
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All women are like that, but not all women are like that to the same extent. Can I ask, does TRP actually think that way? I don't often see discussions about nuance, mostly just straight-up "AWALT."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:19 PM
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That was your ex-wife, not every man's ex-wife. Not every man's current wife. Not all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:10 PM
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Oh yeah, wouldn't have gone there anyway, but thanks for the warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:08 PM
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Yikes. What does it stand for?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:54 PM
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You just made /u/angels_fan's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:41 PM
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If 90% of women are like that According to whom, though? The TRP sidebar?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:38 PM
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As someone who's experienced both sexual pressure and pressure to sign up for a gym membership, I will tell you that yes, it is different. Edit: Could whomever is going around downvoting my comments please cut it out? Nothing I've said here is invalid, I haven't downvoted anyone, and it's against the rules of the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:23 PM
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You're looking at this very myopically. There are other factors at play besides free will and agency (which women have, just like men do). The woman's self-esteem, feelings of safety, possibly psychological effects of being pressured. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be, and it's not all the woman's fault as your comments seem to suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:22 PM
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Oops, I definitely didn't pick up on that. I'm sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:08 PM
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Again, what is PSL?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:06 PM
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I'm talking specifically about rape, not high-pressure seduction tactics. Edit: My above response was addressing gym membership vs. That is rape. End of story. I admit I didn't read that comment thoroughly. I now see that it was comparing the gym scenario to high-pressure seduction tactics/harassment as described in the OP, and not specifically to rape. My mistake. That said, I think there are still differences between high-pressure sales tactics and high-pressure seduction tactics. I'd argue th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 11:15 AM
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This should be freakin obvious! Indeed. It's unfortunate that it needs to be said, but alas...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:58 AM
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"Projecting" may not have been the best choice of word on my part, so I changed it above. I don't mean to suggest that Lewis wants women to die in a fire, but rather that most women don't fit the description he's presented. You bring up an interesting point though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:52 AM
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Work 14 hours a day, every day (100 hours/wk = hourly wage times 130 every week, if you work at same place every hour) if you must. Cut back heavily on sleep and leisure. Use every other waking hour on school. That's unrealistic, not to mention extremely unhealthy and unsustainable. I say this as someone who has a degree and is completing another while working multiple jobs. Most non-students don't even work 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. Where in a 14-hour workday would someone have time to go …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:26 AM
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Multi-varied analysis I'm sorry, but I have to say this because you've mentioned the term multiple times: it's multivariate analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:24 AM
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a study of other studies For the record, meta-analyses are generally considered useful in research.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 07:26 AM
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I watched a show on how police can coerce confessions out of people who are not guilty. I've learned about police interrogations and false confessions too. This is true! ETA: You bring up an interesting point with respect to a person's state of mind under pressure. Definitely a factor to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:48 AM
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It's tough and frustrating, and the gym's practices may be unethical, but it's absolutely not the same as rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 06:22 AM
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Women want unattractive men to die in a fire. I'm a woman and I have never said, thought, or wanted that. I also don't know of any other woman who does. Can you please stop extrapolating your idea of women's thoughts to us all? Edit: Changed word to avoid confusion Edit 2: Added missing question mark
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 04:01 AM
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Here's another example. Sections of direct quote: Cavill gave voice to what a lot of men believe: and yes, there are a TON of women flinging rape accusations and sexual harassment accusations and misconduct accusations at men all the time for merely coming up and talking to them. Men are accused of misconduct and sexual harassment for merely existing, for merely taking up space in the vicinity of a woman who isn't attracted to them. And today, it's not a great leap to go from he sexually harasse…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 03:03 AM
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I'm very sorry for your loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:54 AM
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There are some people on PPD who seem serious when suggesting that men are accused of rape/sexual assault for hitting on women (I believe someone already linked to an example from the Henry Cavill post; edit: I've linked a second example elsewhere in the comments and there are several more in the Cavill discussion, albeit mainly from the same user). There have even been claims that women make such false accusations simply because the men approaching them were unattractive. they are just colloqui…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:37 AM
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I don't think so. For one thing, the question's asking about male friends/acquaintances. Secondly, it's asking about accusations of rape/sexual assault for approaching and talking to a woman, not in existing relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:31 AM
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Well if she says yes then she must have enjoyed the "harassment" Or she was afraid, or felt worn down and like she couldn't say no...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:09 AM
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I'm guessing he says stuff like this never happens? I don't think OP said that. I don't think anyone is claiming that this never happens, just that it doesn't happen as often as some people think. I'm not OP though, so he can clarify for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:02 AM
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I agree with this, and I think it applies to a number of issues, not just that of false rape accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 01:59 AM
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You have every right to keep trying after she says no and you should. Why? To get what you want? Why not just respect the no?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:18 AM
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We all know at least one story. I don't (granted, I'm not a man and that's why I didn't comment, but none of my male friends have ever experienced this as far as I know). Looks like a few other people have said they don't know anyone this has happened to either. Also, some of the comments say, "I/my male friends have never been called a "rapist" or formally accused of rape/sexual assault for merely approaching and talking to a woman, but I've/a friend has been accused of _____ (stalking, being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:07 PM
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Yeah, judging by comments on the Henry Cavill post (and in past discussions), some of them seem pretty serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:58 PM
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There's just no rationalizing with some people. I applaud those who've tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:52 PM
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Why is this so hard for some men? Once the mood is gone, it’s gone. Right? If people want to avoid treading into assault territory and rape accusations, one of the best (and most simple) ways is to stop when someone says no. It's not rocket science. If you think something you do might be perceived negatively or bring forth negative consequences, maybe don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:42 PM
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Good question. If that's the study, I don't see anything specifying that the men were poindexters as Lewis claimed. Somehow I doubt that a reputable study would have suggested that women only expressed being harassed by poindexters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:35 PM
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it's ... almost criminal to catcall a woman Where? Are there any laws about this? Court cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:19 PM
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OK. You're not a man, so you don't have to be concerned about being accused of sexual harassment. Lawyers here, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't sexual harassment a non-gendered term? Isn't it something that both men and women can perpetrate or be accused of? I'm sure more men than women are accused of it, but I don't think only men need to be concerned about their actions. Edit: Accidentally added a word
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:16 PM
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My bad. I should have said sexual assault. Updated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:12 PM
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Those women should probably reassess their choice to say no to men they want to pursue them. Is it a widespread issue though?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 10:07 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's in response to this post. I'm also pretty sure that u/Cuckleberry-Finn is on the side that thinks these accusations aren't happening as much as some people believe (OP, please correct me if I'm wrong).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:56 PM
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That is not hard data to support Lewis' claim because I'm pretty sure he's twisting the words of the study to fit his narrative. I doubt the 30% of women polled only felt that it was sexual harassment because they thought the men in question were unattractive. Unless he can show us that the study did in fact use those words, I'm not buying it. Also, regardless of the wording, a single poll or study isn't proof of anything. To get close to showing causality or reliable trends, the data needs to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:43 PM
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Agreed. I also don't like the idea of being completely out for oneself and doing whatever it takes (at the expense of others) to get what one wants. By all means, people should have standards and set boundaries, but that to me does not mean undermining the standards and boundaries of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:38 PM
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but it's only "threatening" if poindexter's doing it Why do you keep saying this? Is there any (legitimate, scientific) evidence to back it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:35 PM
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Well this ain't the Salvation Army! You're funny. I like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:29 PM
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Oh, I'm not the only one, whew! I just came back after a few weeks of not posting and was wondering the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:28 PM
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It just mixes some healthy practices ... with ways to make women lower their standards (like refusing to compliment without it also undercutting confidence) I think this is an interesting point that illustrates a bit of a double standard with TRP. It tells men to have and enforce standards while suggesting that the standards of women be lowered or not respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:52 PM
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You sound like you’ve got it going on. Very reasonable too. Seconded!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:46 PM
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They could also be married/ltr. Just as an aside, it's possible for sexual harassment assault and rape to occur in marriages/LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:38 PM
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Thank you for pointing this out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:19 PM
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Well said. Going to college, getting a job, working hard, and being a devoted husband and father are all very attractive things, but there are also other things (including physical appearance and personality) that make a man attractive to an individual woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:14 PM
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being attractive to women is by far the greatest motivator for most guys. That's still not something that only RP teaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:10 PM
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If someone says no, and another person continues to badger them, that's harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:57 PM
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Treat each other with respect isn’t a hard thing to do. Couldn't agree more. I'm glad your marriage is recovering.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:53 PM
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What's fogging?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:38 PM
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Q4Al There sure are a lot of people here named Al. 😉 I'll let myself out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:24 AM
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doesn’t innately encourage people to hate themselves or others I like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:21 AM
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Scientist here and in agreement. Calling RP "science" is a bit of a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:15 AM
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I don’t think the oil has anything to do with my preference
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 04:58 AM
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I’m not complaining about anything. “Complaining” seems like an odd choice of word. What I meant is that legally it’s difficult for a person to be convicted of sexual assault. It’s a difficult charge to prove. I didn’t say anything about gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 04:53 AM
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This is for intimate partner violence, though, not specifically sexual assault. I've studied both topics, and from what I recall you're correct in saying that most intimate partner violence is bidirectional. That said, intimate partner violence ≠ sexual assault. You're also correct that more men are sexually assaulted than the public likely believes, but the statistics you've listed can't be used to prove this. They'd need to specifically address sexual assault only. Edit: I'm reading through th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:37 AM
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Thanks! I was actually a reddit lurker in general and created my account to post here on PPD. I've hardly posted elsewhere yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:17 AM
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No, just found this place about a month and a half ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:13 AM
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Not sure what you mean by this. How do you know me?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:11 AM
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It's actually quite difficult to be convicted of sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:05 AM
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Do you have a source for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 03:03 AM
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😍 This thread brings all the ladies to the yard... Hahah
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:57 AM
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Seconded. I love being social and relating to people IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:50 AM
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I used to be one of those lurkers, but then one day something snapped (as it does). lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:49 AM
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Mmm, one of my favorite cheeses. (And that's a tough choice to make!)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:47 AM
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I'm all for this wholesomeness. /u/concacanca, if someone doesn't want their share of candy floss, I'll take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:47 AM
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I think the second guy's good-looking. 🤷 The others are a bit too jacked for my liking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 02:38 AM
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Do you have evidence that no female firefighter has carried a man out of a burning building? This is a weak argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 01:09 AM
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What is the definition of "toxic masculinity," by your understanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 01:08 AM
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To be fair, this isn't the most neutral source of information. Of course an MRA website is going to say negative things about feminists. I'm not trying to defend radical or current feminism (I actually don't know a whole lot about it). I'm just suggesting that a more neutral source might be helpful in this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 01:06 AM
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Don’t expect a man to pay for your mistakes, especially if they aren’t even his. What's with this assumption from some men that women are just looking for men to pay for children that aren't their own? I'm a child of divorce and no man except my father has ever paid for anything for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 12:54 AM
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Thanks for saying this. I too resent the idea that women don't work hard at their jobs. These blanket statements are very frustrating. I work very long hours and don't always get all my breaks either. I often stay late. I'm putting myself through school and have done so as long as I've been pursuing a post-secondary education. I could throw in more anecdotes, but I'm sure they wouldn't be taken seriously either. Point is, I work very hard and there are many other women who do too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 12:26 AM
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An IUD can be pretty invasive, for the record.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 12:16 AM
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People can vet and make the best educated guesses they can. Yes, I know you can't predict how people will respond to aging or having kids. But you can vet for character and common interests and core values, and having core values in common and for basic character will get you to a right answer most of the time. As much as I disagree with some of the other things you've said, I do agree with this. I think it's important for men and women to properly vet their partners, and IMO it's not more impor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 12:14 AM
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Fictional erotic novels do not refute actual, documented biological knowledge. An author of fiction isn't necessarily going to draw on science for his/her writings. ETA: The fact that you seem to want to accept anecdotes and fiction over scientific fact leads me to think you really want to believe in a sick idea that women, deep down, want to be raped or enjoy being taken advantage of. This is concerning on multiple levels. You've talked about your 4.0 and that you're on reddit in class. If you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 11:39 PM
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True. We can only do our best.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 11:35 PM
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I almost spat out my coffee. This is excellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 11:34 PM
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Are you sure this is not a response masking an uncomfortable truth Yes. Actual science refutes what you're proposing. I mean check all the male protagonists in erotic novels, brute muscular guys who over power women despite her saying no and through lust get her to agree to the act of sex Erotic novels are generally fiction, for one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 11:33 PM
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Equalina is correct. This builds on what I've said in this comment thread as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 11:23 PM
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Apparently it still doesn't prevent the spread of questionable information and poor science. There are certainly people out there who believe they've hit gold with some of the stuff they find online. I mean, look at the conclusions this OP has drawn about female orgasms by reading reddit threads. So incredibly incorrect. Not to mention, I'm guessing there are some people who can't find nuance in suggestions that women like aggressive men, etc. A bunch of the time it's just the blind leading the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 11:14 PM
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Some of the most cringeworthy beliefs I've ever seen put into words.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 11:12 PM
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I don't see how that answers what I said. Are you saying you don't care if she has an orgasm? Or are you saying that "jackhammer" sex is enough? Or something else entirely? A man I was with who many would consider very attractive gave me "jackhammer" sex and it was the worst sex of my life (aside from sexual assault). Painful and certainly not pleasurable. He was also super selfish - it was all about him. That was the only time we slept together and I never want to experience that again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 08:26 PM
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Women don't need "talent" in bed. I disagree. Most women don't want "jackhammer" sex. Remember that discussion we had yesterday in your other thread about orgasms? Many women have trouble reaching orgasm because they or their partners don't know the "right way" to please them (based on their individual bodies). That takes talent (as well as selflessness and a willingness to learn). Edit: Added a few words
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 08:11 PM
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This is an excellent idea. Logical. I like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:52 PM
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Most men can't sustain a lasting marriage because they don't know what they need - they probably think they need to be good husbands and good fathers, but they are wrong. I'm curious. What do they need?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:33 PM
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Not all douches are attractive, nor are all attractive men douches... I don't think physical attractiveness is the main factor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:28 PM
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Honestly no, I don't know the men here entirely. You're correct in saying that and I'm willing to admit that my perception could be wrong. HOWEVER, the way some men here talk about women is not okay with me, regardless of how fired up they are. I'd never talk about men the same way. debating how women have the law and courts on their side. Though I mentioned "some of the men in this thread," I'm not basing my opinion solely on what they've said here. There are a couple of users in particular who…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:43 PM
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It's a slippery slope. My thoughts as well. This is why providing vague or questionable information and advice (e.g. "women want aggressive men," push through LMR) is a bad idea. Some people are likely going to misunderstand and take it too far. One can hope that people will be able to find nuance, but it's certainly not something we can bank on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:20 PM
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Tomorrow? You're giving these people too much credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 03:04 AM
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Woman here. By the sounds of it, If I were to end up with a man like some of the men on TRP or in this thread, I'd have gone wrong somewhere. It would be an indication of me having made one of the "shitty decisions" they're blaming women for making. If I were to end up with a man like some of the men on TRP or in this thread, I'd probably rather someone shoot me and put me out of my misery. Some of these guys are yelling, "Stop banging douches/assholes!" as they act like complete douches/asshole…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 02:47 AM
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The guys you're responding to want to tell us that women blame men for everything, as they sit here and blame women for everything. The pot calling the kettle black.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 02:35 AM
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High-level? Maybe in the RP sphere, but at least one of the people you've listed is an awful human being. Roosh brags about having raped women and thinks rape should be legal on private property. That guy's going to fix society? Give me a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 02:14 AM
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to make the right decisions The right decisions according to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 02:12 AM
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Countries cucking themselves to foreigners. I truly cannot take an argument like this seriously. Please, people, stop using "cuck" as everyday language.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 02:03 AM
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FYI, people are allowed to post off-topic comments under AutoMod.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 01:56 AM
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This is very concerning to me. Probably more concerning, however, is that these are the conclusions OP has come to after having tried to research the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 01:44 AM
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It's not about women not accepting it, it's about the fact that one therapist's experience (read: anecdote, not empirical study) is not enough evidence to settle on a number that represents how common this is. Taking a person's opinion at face value, without conducting an actual scientific study, is poor science.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 01:41 AM
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We already know that mere touching and PIV does not lead to arousal nor does it lead to orgasm As explained in my other responses, this is false. The correct statement would be that mere touching and PIV do not necessarily (or do not always) lead to orgasm, but they can. Mental/psychological arousal is helpful but not necessary for orgasm to occur. (For the good of us all, please no one read this as, "Cool! I don't need to do anything to make my partner feel good!")
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:59 PM
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How many people do you think are aware of this? I'm not sure, but not enough. It's not uncommon for sexual assault victims to feel extreme shame if they experienced orgasm during assault. Also, the existence of this post illustrates a need for more education on the subject. How many of them should be made aware of this ? As many as possible, I'd say. HOWEVER, the fact that orgasms are a physiological response doesn't mean that people should do away with things like foreplay or psychological arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:12 PM
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I don't know how common orgasm is in a marriage or a committed relationship. Perhaps there are statistics somewhere that would provide some insight. Yes, even against her will. Think about it like this: If you're extremely ticklish and someone tickles you, just willing yourself not to respond isn't necessarily possible. Or if you try to hold your breath, eventually your body will respond automatically (i.e. unconsciously) in such a way that encourages you to breathe. There are some responses in …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:55 PM
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How common is what in a marriage or a committed relationship? I'm not sure what you're asking. Regarding your second question, my understanding is that a "dead bedroom" is a lack of sex, not specifically a lack of orgasm. I think the general situation is someone, for any number of reasons, not having an interest in or wanting to engage in sex. You may have heard before that many women have trouble reaching orgasm, and that being relaxed or psychologically aroused can help. Those things are true.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:48 PM
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An orgasm is a physiological response. [ETA: To be more specific, it is a response controlled by the autonomic (involuntary) nervous system.] Psychological arousal is not necessary for an orgasm to take place. Source: I've studied Anatomy and Physiology, as well as Psychology and sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:25 PM
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Women dont value the relationship. They feel as if they have to 'pay' by going fishing, or boating, or camping, or shooting, or drinking beer at a sports bar, or going to the rodeo together, or the drag stip, or any number of things guys would love to have their girlfriend along for. This is simply not true. I'd love to do most of the things you've listed. I'd call them fun shared activities, not "payment" for the commitment of my partner. I already do some of those things on my own or with frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:10 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:00 PM
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It's nice to see people acknowledge that being shitty is a human issue, not a gendered issue. (There seem to be a fair number of people being shitty in their comments while calling the entire opposite gender shitty.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 09:54 PM
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Thank you for this, sincerely. It’s nice to see something positive and that doesn’t lambast an entire gender or group of people. Bit of a breath of fresh air. Edit: Forgot a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 09:23 PM
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May I ask - do you believe that all women engage in casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 09:20 PM
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One major issue with this argument is that rap music isn’t telling people to behave in a particular way. TRP is. TRP is directly giving people advice, telling them to go out and treat women like “the oldest teenager in the house,” push through LMR, use dread game, etc. I don’t think people’s main issue with TRP is that its users say misogynistic things. I think it’s that the sub is telling people to do misogynistic (and even sometimes abusive) things, and celebrating their “successes” in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 08:34 PM
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This post is asking only for us to say something positive about the other side, but it still appears most comments are talking about negatives, e.g. “Here’s something positive, BUT...” It’d be nice if we could have just one post where we stick to the topic and say nice things about each other without adding negatives. The negatives are discussed all the time. Just my opinion...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 08:26 PM
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Sounds like you have a pretty narrow view. There are men out there posting shirtless mirror selfies and women not participating at all. Some people are into "that sort of shallow attention and ego-fueling," some aren't. It's not a men vs. women thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:42 AM
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I'd be interested in seeing the stats on education for Reds vs. Blues from the recent PPD survey. Paging u/PPD-Angel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:36 AM
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I truly do feel for you and I'm sorry you've had to go through all that. The court of public opinion is much too loud and people can be exceedingly cruel. That said, I don't think what you've experienced is happening on as grand a scale as some people say, and I don't think we'll reach a point where simply asking someone out will legally be considered assault. I think it's awful that people make false claims, but it's due diligence on the part of the authorities to investigate any claim of assau…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 03:56 AM
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This is incredibly well written and probably one of the best posts in the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 03:47 AM
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I think he is talking about the girls who go clubbing and getting laid while keeping a guy on the back burner that they “want to marry when We’re ready” etc. I think some of the men here believe that this is more common than it actually is. I've never had a guy on the back burner, nor have most other women I know. I only have one friend who's got a guy she might/might not want to marry but isn't dating him, and that's because they fundamentally disagree on children and she wants to figure out if…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 03:21 AM
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Reddit.com is a men's website Pretty sure that's not the case anymore, considering the existence of subs created by women for women (and subs that welcome women even if not specifically written for them).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:53 AM
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I am pretty sure I read this on an scientific paper too. Well, that's something I'd like to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:51 AM
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There may be people out there who think that way, but I disagree with them. I'm a woman, a sexual assault survivor, and someone who's studied sexual assault. I don't view approaching as assault, nor do any of the men or women I know. This is a fear I see perpetuated online but have never personally seen come up in real life. It's the same with false rape accusations. I don't deny that these things happen; they absolutely do. However, I think people have created extreme fear about these issues an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:13 AM
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Me too. I have engaged and married male friends who are very happy (and I'm close enough with them to know if that was not the case). None of them were pushed into marriage by their fiancées/now-wives; they all wanted it for themselves. Heck, in one married couple I'm friends with, the woman never intended to get married and said they'd probably just have some sort of unofficial party one day but be together forever. It was the man who wanted to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:11 AM
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Beta bob gets hammered by law if he approaches. 50/50 chance you are going to jail, gotta risk it for the biscuit... This is so blown out of proportion. No one is going to jail for simply approaching a woman. Approaching is not assault, and there are no laws suggesting that approaching is assault. I highly doubt there ever will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:02 AM
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And, no, nobody is going to be metoo'd by simply approaching a woman, so put that card right back in your deck. THANK YOU. That is such an overblown fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:59 AM
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Do women on PPD routinely say, "All men are like that"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:45 AM
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I'm a woman who's not even married and I still find your post insulting and not applicable to me or many other women. I'm not running around having my fun and planning to tell the man I end up with how lucky he is to have me. I've always been relationship-minded and wanted to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:29 AM
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Just like false rape accusations, women wanting to divorce men for all they've got, etc. Deciding worst case scenarios are the norm seems to be a common trend with some users on reddit and on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:55 AM
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For what it's worth, I don't see all men talking about marriage the way you do. Some men express being happy in their marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:53 AM
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All millenial women are sluts. No need to look for the non-sluts. Excuse me? I'm a millennial woman and I am not a "slut." I don't partake in casual sex and have never been interested in doing so. I also don't judge women who do enjoy casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:35 AM
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20s, female. Here are some of mine... That all women ride the CC. I've never been interested in casual sex and have always wanted to find an LTR that eventually leads to marriage. That women aren't loyal and will branch swing at any chance they get. I've never cheated nor had any desire to. I've never left a man for another. Men have left me to play the field or to chase other women, but I've never done the same. I'm fiercely loyal. That all women actively manipulate men for their own benefit. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:19 AM
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I'm a slim woman and I've been told many times that I'm attractive (in case this information is important to the discussion) . I've never had any interest in branch swinging either. I'm fiercely loyal. Some guys here refuse to accept that women like us exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:07 AM
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Just updated the OP to fix this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 11:48 PM
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Cool. Thanks for the info!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 11:39 PM
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Feminism doesn’t really serve attractive women well. In what ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 11:29 PM
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To me, it sounds like an RP relationship is closer to fake. So many puppet strings. How is that authentic...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 11:16 PM
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Yeah, "pushing through LMR" is a bad, bad idea and a slippery slope. See my previous comment on the matter. It seems there are some men here who are afraid of false rape allegations, but in some cases these are also men following questionable RP advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 11:12 PM
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This is disgusting. A truly high-value man wouldn't do this kind of crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 10:58 PM
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Based on what you're saying, I think dread game is playing with fire. I think it's extremely possible that a non-negligible number of men will take it too far and really hurt someone (though, it's already damaging by virtue of the fact that it's psychological manipulation).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 10:54 PM
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Yes, this is important information. Numbers don't mean much without context.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:56 AM
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I'm in a STEM field. This is my second degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:50 AM
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I understand in a way. I've been a student for a while, which limits the amount of time I can work and thus limits my current earning potential. If my career goals work out, though, my finances should correct themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:32 AM
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I agree the Dark Triad thing is cringey and has the potential to be really abusive. Can someone explain the Dark Triad a bit to me? (Oh god, what am I getting myself into?)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:22 AM
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Thanks! Much appreciated. I think it's some sort of stomach bug. (And I'm a her.) :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:16 AM
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Correct. I'm actually laughing a bit because I thought about the potential confusion as I typed that. I'm away from my family and do miss them (especially on Fathers' Day, holla!), but yeah, I've spent this weekend ill and at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:14 AM
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Fair enough. I share some of your beliefs. I view TRP as psychologically damaging with approaches and philosophies that only further perpetuate problems with no net positive societal outcomes for both men and women. I agree with this and think you've worded it very well. Unrelated: At the risk of sounding like a total smartass, I've noticed a lot of people saying "tenants" on PPD. It's actually "tenets."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 02:10 AM
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Blue pill wants to wipe the gene pool clean of less than subpar men. They want to keep failing men from reproducing I've never seen this anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 02:08 AM
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But you see their "field reports" where they supposedly approach girls at bars negging, which is obnoxious. Those are effin' cringeworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 02:05 AM
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The fundamental problem with women in LTRs to this meta debate, is they will sacrifice a LTR for a STR (the real deal). They will fuck the stripper, even if the man will pretend to be one, figuratively speaking. This is the gender shock men go through when they realize that women don't value LTRs in the way they do. Men are willing to sacrifice fucking the actual stripper to have a wife because they value loyalty (generally), but there's a catch. This isn't to say that "women don't value loyalty…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 01:58 AM
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It has no impact on society. I disagree with this part. Teaching people to manipulate others to satisfy their own desires does affect society, and negatively. Also, it's possible for there to be multiple issues affecting society at once. I'm not defending radical feminism. What I'm saying is that people can be concerned about stagnating wages and high unemployment rates while also being concerned about other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 01:46 AM
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How does that apply to women only? I've seen plenty of men not want to have any responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 01:23 AM
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If a man has a "paternal frame" in that it seems like he'd be a good father to our (hypothetical) children, that's sexy. If he treats me like a child, that's not and he can go away. ETA: Forgot a word
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 01:22 AM
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Why doesn't he just leave instead of resorting to actual or threatened cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 01:17 AM
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It's really interesting that you mention this, because doesn't TRP talk a lot about how women are so impulsive and emotional (and often in an insulting way)?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:58 AM
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Exactly. It's a personality inventory, an assessment tool. Humans like to classify things and themselves/each other (exhibit A: RP, BP). It doesn't claim to be the be-all, end-all of personality description.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:51 AM
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How long did the MBTI take you to do? Was it one you found online? I haven't done it before but I learned a bit about it in a Psych course a number of years ago. Can't remember much about it other than what the acronym MBTI stands for, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:49 AM
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Haha, okay. I hadn't picked up on that. Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:46 AM
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Ah, okay. Interesting. My post was mainly inspired by the recent PPD survey, which included "no pill" as an option for the question, "What is your pill color?" I might've also seen at least one person with "no pill" in their flair. I was thinking about where I fall in the Pillsphere and didn't have a clear understanding of what this option meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:41 AM
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rather than teaching English in Asia Hey, this actually sounds really cool! Makes you unique and probably an interesting person to talk to. Also, it sounds like you've done things to help other people, which is admirable. I don't think income is the most important factor in RMV, but again, I'm not super clear on what RMV includes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:27 AM
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I wondered this a bit too. Could they also include things like comments you've received from others on your appearance or desirability?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:25 AM
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with borderline Has this user said that before, or did you armchair diagnose him with a mental disorder?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:21 AM
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You mean redeeming as in relation to my reddit username? Yes. You've also displayed a decent sense of humor, so that's redeeming!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:20 AM
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"Mean and manipulative" is how human sexual and romantic relationships work. IMO, it doesn't have to be that way. I don't treat people like that and I won't tolerate that from someone else. I've been treated like that before, and it's not enjoyable. Ergo, I have raised my standards. I want a man who's respectful because that's how I myself aim to be. Just ask all the incels that get laughed at for approaching a girl or the thirty five year-old woman that gets rejected at every bar she goes to. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 12:10 AM
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Many scientific (and especially medical) terms have Greek or Latin roots. Interestingly, I Googled it and uber alles is actually German. Maybe this was a poor example of TRP trying to be scientific, but that is something that they do. I should have said that the silly terminology makes me laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:54 PM
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even a below average overweight woman can have 100+ matches in a few days using Tinder. Not every woman gets 100+ matches in a few days. You also have to consider the fact that many men swipe right on everyone and then choose who to unmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:49 PM
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It's mean and manipulative, though. There are other ways to show you're a "high-value" man besides allowing the woman you're with to think you might leave her. Hell, if you treat her like that, she might even leave you. This is my main criticism of TRP advice outside of the basic self-improvement stuff: it's unkind, selfish and manipulative. It suggests that people stoop to the lowest level to achieve their personal desires. Seriously, if a woman loses or never has a man like that, she's better …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:45 PM
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TRP calls this tingles uber alles I'm sorry, but lol. Most of the time when TRP tries to be scientific, I have to shake my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:39 PM
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Scent indicating facial symmetry (chemistry & beauty) Wait, is there actually a scent indicative of facial symmetry? Do you have a source for this that I can have a look at?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:35 PM
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I've done fine enough for myself without needing to be agressive and narcissistic. And please do continue this way. Signed, Me and probably other women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:33 PM
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lol, thanks for the laugh. Surely you must have some redeeming qualities!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:30 PM
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I personally don't know even one woman to whom this applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:25 PM
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That said, you were correct that negging in most forms is unattractive too. If a guy calls me or anyone else a "bitch" or a "hoe," or tries to "playfully" treat me like crap, and thinks that that's going to attract me to him, then he's sorely mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:19 PM
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Well, there's a difference in what these terms mean. Confidence involves believing you're a valuable person and acting in accordance with that. Arrogance involves believing and acting as if you're better than others. IMO, arrogant people are assholes and that's not sexy. I don't want a guy who thinks, "I'm better than you, and I'm better than that guy over there." I want a guy who thinks all people have something to offer, and who doesn't spend energy ranking himself above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:15 PM
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TRP saw a study, cherry picked one sentence of it and made up the rest. As a scientist, it gets really frustrating to see so much of this on the internet. TRP is pretty bad for it. It's especially aggravating when you try to explain to someone what a study actually says or what its biases are and they continue to rant that they're right because they can't accept otherwise. You don't even have to be a scientist to understand the basic concepts many studies are getting at. You just need to be able…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:08 PM
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Yeah, that stuff is disgusting and extremely manipulative. I'm currently studying psychopathy (among other things) and some RP behaviors, dread included, make me think of that. Of course, RP ≠ psychopathy and I'd never condone diagnosing anyone without proper assessment. ETA: An interesting and relevant quote by Dr. Robert Hare, one of the foremost researchers on psychopathy and the creator of the Psychopathy Checklist-Revised, the international gold standard for psychopathy assessment. He descr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:37 PM
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I will confirm that arrogance in a man is a major turn-off for me. In fact, it's probably one of the biggest turn-offs. Confidence is sexy, arrogance is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:30 PM
2

I mean this non-snarkily (just trying to help you out in case anyone gets confused): Gate (swager) It's "gait" and "swagger."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:27 PM
2

Good analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:24 PM
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aggressive is saying you will do what I tell you sweetie Ew. I would quickly get away from any guy who talked to me like that. He would not be getting sex from me. Then again, I'm also not interested in casual sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:24 PM
2

to cover not only dropped food items but now also... Lol. Nice one, OP!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:19 PM
2

But individual liberty does call for judging people by individuals and TRP and MGTOW both fail that standard. Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:17 PM
1

Username does not check out
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:04 PM
1

Oh, interesting. I used CMB for a brief time too (I'm not currently dating and not the biggest fan of using apps for that). Was it a feature that only men had?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:03 PM
1

And the only reply you might have is that women are discouraged from STEM Actually, no. I wasn't going to say that. But since you've already decided what my responses are going to be and have your mind made up, I'm not going to bother discussing with you. Women rarely win noble prizes, still. It's Nobel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 07:47 PM
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We have the pill due to male scientists. Like every other significant advancement. As a scientist, I agree that science was necessary for the existence of the pill. However, I resent your suggestion that only men are responsible for all significant advancements.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:03 AM
1

Popular dating app I used to use could give you your percentile rank among all men That's interesting. I didn't know any apps did that. Mind if I ask which one it was?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 10:21 AM
2

Congratulations! That's a beautiful ring. I like the color combination on the band in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 05:20 AM
1

Wish you the best! Glad you've got lots of support from those around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 05:15 AM
1

Can't argue with that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 05:14 AM
2

What is RP for women all about? Asking in good faith, as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 05:13 AM
1

Having a gym at home sounds great!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 05:10 AM
1

The latter is certainly a possibility. I still don't think that means it's a movement that women created. I'm not absolving women of all responsibility, but I don't think it's fair to say that MGTOW is entirely their fault as if the men who partake in it had no choice whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:20 AM
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Okay, if that's happening, it's not cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:16 AM
2

Isn't this similar to TRP? Or is the view of TRP that all women have the potential to be hypergamous? Or have I missed the mark completely?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:14 AM
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I think they should change their name to men ruminating about women from a distance or MRAWFAD. This is probably the most accurate definition of what they're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:12 AM
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[women] created this monster I don't think that's a fair statement. Men who identify as MGTOW choose to give up on women and talk hatefully about them. Those men have agency just like anyone else. Perhaps they can't change the hand they've been dealt in life, but they can certainly choose how to respond to it. If they choose to respond hatefully, that's not on women. It's on them. I've had many bad experiences with men, including things that were completely out of my control, such as assault. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:09 AM
1

Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:04 AM
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Does this happen? I don't think I've seen it before. The only people I've ever seen use the term "MGTOW" to describe someone are people self-identifying with the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:00 AM
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Apparently you, a woman, can't speak to the lived thoughts and experiences of (at least some) women, but a man can. We need to be told what we're thinking. 🙄 I'll add that I, a second woman, have also never met another woman who cares about MGTOWs affecting them or leaving the dating pool. If hateful people leave the dating pool, good riddance. If indifferent people leave, that's fine. ETA: I want a man who wants to be with me. I'm not going to chase someone who doesn't. I'm also not going to bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 10:26 PM
3

You can't see me because I'm leeeeaaaaaving. (But I'm still here.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 10:20 PM
2

It's a sad state of affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 10:19 PM
2

If you click the first link ("General Survey Results"), it all comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 10:14 PM
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As sublime and others have said, the ones fleeing aren't the problem. The ones who claim to be fleeing (i.e. going their own way) but aren't are the ones people here take issue with. If not just because they bash women, they're also being very contradictory ("We're going our own way and not thinking about women, but here we are talking about women and reminding everyone that we're going our own way and not thinking about women.").
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 06:42 PM
3

Kind of had a chuckle at that myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 06:08 PM
2

Have you not heard about the male teachers/coaches also having sex with students? I'm not denying that female teachers have sex with male students, but you're only looking at one side of an issue that involves teachers of both genders...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 04:58 PM
1

Thanks for doing this! It's interesting. Reading through the results. Might post back with some more specific thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 04:37 PM
3

Uhhh...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 04:13 PM
1

Was born past 1900 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 04:12 PM
1

My guess is the answer to this will be no.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 06:45 AM
5

Exactly. There it is, the hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 06:42 AM
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I was just going to say this. If it’s unusual behavior for someone, it might be worth checking out. ETA: It can also be possibly indicative of a tumor or brain injury, particularly involving the frontal lobe, which is responsible for impulse control among other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 05:58 AM
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ITT: Delusional men who think literally anything about a woman’s appearance or actions is an indication that she rides the CC. (It’s apparent some people just have preconceived notions and will come up with whatever explanations they can think of.) A few reasonable responses sprinkled in. I like PPD, but damn. Sometimes I just have to roll my eyes at the things some people say here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 05:43 AM
3

Rude and unnecessary
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 05:38 AM
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I know. Sometimes I’m shocked to find out that some of these people are almost twice my age. (I’m in my 20s.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 03:24 AM
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Yup! Then you get the hypcritical motherfuckers (men AND women alike) who will screw people over continually then the moment they get screwed over they start moaning about it. I see so much of this on reddit. I’m still pretty new to PPD, but I see it a fair bit here too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 09:41 PM
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Well said. I wonder how many men already blame women for everything, then find TRP and think it’s the most amazing thing ever because it allows them to channel their negative feelings into action to get what they want (as opposed to men who don’t already think that way finding TRP and being “converted”).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 06:56 AM
1

I’ve never heard as much from the horse’s mouth, only from guys on Reddit saying it’s a thing that feminists say. This seems to be a theme
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:47 AM
1

“Anything I dislike about the world is feminism’s fault!” - An unfortunate number of people
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:44 AM
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Well said! I’m a woman, but I have many male friends, coworkers, etc. I’ve never heard any express fear over being falsely accused of rape. (I expect someone will suggest that these male friends probably talk about it, just not to me/other female friends. I doubt it.) I mentioned in another thread that I also spend lots of time on a university campus in a big city and never hear about false rape allegations there. Only on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:34 AM
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“Bill, tell them what they’ve won!”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:28 AM
1

That’s a nice compliment. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:26 AM
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Agreed. I thought this might be an interesting subject to discuss. Opened the post and saw it was just more of the same feminist bashing that happens in other threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 05:18 PM
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Is this supposed to be a “gotcha” to someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 05:17 PM
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I think it's really interesting, the seeming disconnect some TRPers have between engaging in behaviors that could lead to assault (e.g. pushing through resistance) and being extremely fearful of rape allegations. I'm pretty sure you can (generally) avoid one by not doing the other. Edit: Typo
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 05:26 AM
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OP, I agree that this is an important topic, but I feel like the discussion here is focusing much more on feminism (and its supposed evils) than the issue of female-perpetrated rape and its impact on male victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 05:09 AM
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I’m just happy researchers are finally starting to examine this topic. It’s infuriating it’s taken this long, but we have feminism to thank for that in large part, I suppose. I was with you until this part. I think it's very important that male victims receive the same consideration and support as female victims. I don't believe that this is all feminism's fault. (And I'll clarify that I don't think all feminism is good either.)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 04:53 AM
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I wonder this about some posters on reddit too. I could be wrong, but I don't think there are as many false rape allegations as some people think there are. I say this as someone who's spent a lot of time in a university setting, where one might expect this topic to come up. I also live in a big city. I never hear about false rape allegations outside of the internet. I'm not saying they don't happen. I just don't think they happen to the extent that some people believe. I think a lot of people a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 04:24 AM
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RP for long have been aware and talking about how women are better than man in social skills, detail awareness and reading others... Maybe I haven't spent enough time around here or on TRP, but I don't think I've seen much of this. Even if I have, I certainly don't see it as often as negative things like "oldest teenager in the house," "hypergamy," etc. I feel like this is only really brought up as a defence when TRP is criticized for lacking respect for women. I don't get the impression that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 03:58 AM
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You know what'd be awesome? If people stopped perpetuating behavior that they themselves dislike or feel harmed by. I can understand the frustration and pain that might lead someone to think, "They did it to me, so I should do it to them," but I think we as humans would be better off if we made an effort to behave more respectfully and treat people the way we'd like to be treated. "An eye for an eye" just keeps the cycle going. I've had a number of negative experiences with men and in past relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 03:43 AM
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Let’s add “plates” to the list as well. I won’t paint all TRPers with one brush, but I do get the sense that at least some seem to think or act as though women deserve less respect than men (or at least less respect than they feel they themselves deserve).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 02:49 AM
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I think you misunderstood my question. Admittedly, it wasn’t super clear, so my apologies there. I was just asking if you could provide some examples of genetic gifts in women that would make you rate them 7 or above. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 05:21 PM
1

I find in order for me to rate a girl a 7 she must have some genetic gifts. Do you have some examples of genetic gifts?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 01:54 PM
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I’m not coming at this from a Blue Pill perspective. I’m a Scientist. I’m coming at this from a logical/analytical perspective. I also have a fairly large Psychology background, including studying Intimate Partner Violence. Trends aren’t everything, and what is the trend you speak of even based on? I’m not personally aware of any studies showing a correlation between physical attractiveness and propensity to beat one’s partner. Are you just referring to your own observations?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:31 PM
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Not sure if this relates to what you’re saying, but IMO, anyone using RP tactics who acts like an asshole is only making the problem worse. There’s something to be said for having integrity and not stooping to the level of the lowest common denominator even if shitty behavior “works.” I’m not suggesting that RP = asshole by default, but assholery (RP or not) is unfortunate in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:27 PM
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Right. What I’m saying is that I didn’t argue your claim that that more women engage in “thot” behavior than men engage in asshole behavior. All I said was that 90% of women being “thots” is an overestimate. You’re arguing against a point I didn’t try to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:20 PM
1

Extreme black and white thinking and only being able to handle absolutes simply isn't the logical way to solve complex problems Well said, not just in the context of this post but in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:57 AM
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You hit them just below the knee, the leg comes up. Yeah, but that's a reflex. Not all human responses are reflexive. Many are much more complex than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:56 AM
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I never claimed that more men are assholes than women are "thots." I only disagreed that 90% of women are "thots/branch swingers." Unless you can back up your stated value of 90%, you haven't proven my point false. And, by the way, seeking validation on social media partying around unchecked hypergamy are not female-only behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 02:26 AM
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Some people, mostly women, are wrong about their definitions. Are you talking about dating-wise or in general? What are you basing this on?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 02:23 AM
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But will this level of misogyny compare to the men who just straight up beat women, who are not quiet nerds? Being a nerd and beating women are not mutually exclusive. Not all abusive people are good-looking, popular, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 02:16 AM
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True, but it's not "most." I guess it's more on OP to back up that claim though, since they're the one who made it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 01:40 AM
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Most guys around me shift the "average" to 60%, maybe because it's passing marks in nearly every school Kind of off-topic for me to ask, but really? Most schools I know (and all of those I've been to) use 50% as a pass. I know that some use 60%, but I don't think it's nearly every school.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 01:34 AM
2

But how is that evidence of "most men" being unable to get a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 01:23 AM
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I think people assholeness is prevalent. I think so too. A lot of people seem to have done away with basic respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 01:21 AM
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thots/branch swingers are 90% of all women Yeah, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 01:16 AM
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He's such a tool, an open douchebag, yet I've seen women throw themselves at him and shun the man he's picking on as a means of bolstering himself. It works. It's shameful and cringy but it works. That's truly unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 01:12 AM
1

There's an error in Question 26 (How long have you been participating on r/PurplePillDebate?): Option 1 should say "< 6 months" rather than "> 6 months." Should be interesting to see the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 04:53 AM
1

This happened? Jesus. That's disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 03:18 AM
1

No one deserves abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 06:39 AM
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a good amount of evidence I think I've only ever seen one study posted here on the topic. I can't remember but it may not have even been a quality source. Could you point us to some of this evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 06:06 AM
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That’s heartbreaking
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 01:18 PM
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That's my stance too. A guy who doesn't respect me or my boundaries is not the 12/10 man of my dreams. I wouldn't want to keep him around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 01:15 AM
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Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 12:58 AM
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“Do you not work out?” “Why are you so short?” “Shouldn’t you be done school by now?” I don't think I know any woman personally who'd ask a guy things like this. These questions just seem rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 12:56 AM
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Thanks for this. It's a little more clear than the definition in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 12:54 AM
1

May I ask how many men you've seen this happen to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 06:37 PM
1

In my opinion that situation is the exception not the rule I think so too. The idea here that women want to use marriage to destroy men and take their resources comes across a little paranoid. I don't doubt that it happens, but I don't think it's the motivation of most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 06:30 PM
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I think that everyone has problems getting the relationships that they want.....as relationships are some of the hardest things that faces most guys\girls in life because it involves the emotions\desires of another independent thinking person. I think this is a really good point. I think some people assume that others are having an easier time than they really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 06:00 PM
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no anal that's only to keep Chad around What's this assumption about? I'm a woman and I don't want to have anal with any man, regardless of whether he's a "Chad." It's just not something I'm interested in. I don't have certain sexual acts that I'd do with some men and not others. I remain consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 05:54 PM
2

Maybe she doesn’t want to be, and that’s okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 12:52 AM
3

Same. Female, late 20s, 6 partners. Never lied. I think I’ve only ever been asked my count once, if ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 12:37 AM
5

That may be true, but babies in their first week of life do not represent all "young children."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:44 PM
5

I don't think goat is the delusional one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:36 PM
3

Some of the comments aren't doing TRP any favors. If anything, they make TRP look like absolute trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:33 PM
5

Divorce and single mothers - the worst evils according to the Red Pill. Not like crime or violence or murder...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:24 PM
2

It's probably best for humanity if that doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 08:00 AM
5

Whether or not this is true, women sure like it when you act like you're superior. Nah. Many of us look at a guy like that and think, "He's egotistical and not worth my time."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 07:38 AM
8

Please provide us with this empirical data (real Science, not pseudoscience).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 07:37 AM
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And Redpilled men give a damn about who a woman truly is? You’re not making a very compelling case here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 07:11 AM
5

Holy shit, the generalizations. I’m a woman with a STEM degree and working on a second. Where do you get the idea that all women with degrees majored in Gender Studies? Your view of the world is obviously very narrow if you believe even half the things you’re saying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 06:55 AM
5

Yeah, that’s laughable. I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a woman here who’d be attracted to you based on what you’ve posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 06:41 AM
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Your views on women are disgusting. If you’re a Redpill man, your comments clearly refute your claim that Redpilled men respect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 06:31 AM
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“My definition of respect is the exact opposite of what you’d find in a dictionary.” - OP
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 05:52 AM
3

I just want to take a minute to appreciate your flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 05:13 AM
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