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I personally dont think too much about looks when it comes to leagues. I dated a girl who was very physically attractive but she didnt feel out of my league. I got the number of a girl who was attractive but also incredibly ambitious and accomplished. Student at an Ivy school, Type A, had big goals, she felt way out of my league and i chickened out, never called her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:22 PM
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Can i ask why its called alpha widow? The alpha died? A widow wasnt dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 12:12 AM
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Have you considered that maybe women arent easily represented by feminists or tiktok? Theyre a large group of people who are extremely different from each other. Toxic masculinity men probably can find girls too. Just like the feminists can find men. Theyre not going to be the same people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 03:15 PM
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tried exactly 4 times. then nope, im done for life. its over.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 12:15 AM
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you might get it one day. its sometimes a part of getting older, being with someone longer. youre not always going to have mutually passionate sex. one person might be tired? i maybe phrased it more harshly than i had to, but its just not always going to be about orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:08 PM
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Nah, youre giving people too much credit for knowing exactly what makes them attracted to someone. I think most people wont be able to get very granular about it. At best, summarize some general guidelines.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:59 PM
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How often are you going to get a no with an exact prescription of when that will become a yes? Even the people who flip flop themselves usually cant pinpoint the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:54 PM
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Why waste your time trying to figure out whats conditional and whats absolute, then figure out how to meet the conditions in the conditional no, just to get a “yes” which also must be a conditional yes? Just look elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:45 PM
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Youre not free from your influences but most of my expectations were just from myself. Never interested or expected ONS despite seeing plenty of media portraying it, but interested in FWBs even though it just started being a thing when I wanted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:43 PM
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wait what about the 80s got you that idea??
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:31 PM
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Some of these questions are way more personal than just having sex. I think these should be discussed eventually but 2nd date?! Thats crazy talk. Asking someone if or how often they masturbate is crossing a line that you really should not be crossing until youve had sex multiple times. And you DEFINITELY need to have sex to determine comparability. No amount of questions substitutes for that. They can help i guess, but theres no substitute for actually getting into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:21 PM
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Yeah, but the biggest differences are not related to feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:03 PM
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Youre free to be wrong about statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:35 PM
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Im all about using statistics correctly. Not a woman btw. Perfectly fine to have opinions unrelated to statistics. Misusing statistics is the worst. At best its ignorance, at worst its deceptive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:33 PM
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Maybe there are a few over 30, but if they havent been in a committed relationship, they would similarly not be a great source for anything related to cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:11 PM
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If thats what youre disputing thats fair. I dont agree but a fair point of disagreement. We dont have any numbers way of knowing…but i feel like i know lol. But it seemed like he agreed and just justified lumping them together because it was reported together in a statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:55 PM
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Thats a problem of your usage of statistics. Why would you target advice to a subgroup of some statistic that only applies to people outside of that subgroup but part of the statistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:43 PM
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A woman starfishing probably DGAF about an orgasm gap. She probably just wants it over with. Pretty sure these are different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:40 PM
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First generation of men in a post feminism world… im guessing every generation of men born after like 1920 has heard this in some shape or form.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:38 PM
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It kinda makes sense in a traditional relationship that the woman is treated like a princess for a while. if it ever goes anywhere, in that same traditional relationship, the rest of their time together might be a bit of a horror show for the woman (at least to me, id NEVER want to be in the shoes of a traditional wife).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 11:47 AM
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she’ll probably be willing to do a lot, but if you don’t in her eyes do the same for her, she’ll eventually grow resentful and either leave you or get get toxic. you can’t just take advantage of that willingness forever without reciprocation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:14 AM
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is this the tale of a passport bro or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:01 AM
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changing your mindset is the most realistic change you can make. are you going to change the fact that you’re 5’7 or autistic? I’m also 5’7, asian but otherwise not in your boat. what can you do except accept the hand that you’re dealt? you basically hit the nail on the head, when confronted with a problem, people try to solve it. how can you still get a win despite all of the disadvantages you have? how are any of the red and black pill stuff helping you here? the black pill just tells you to g…
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:20 AM
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Men cheat more and have historically cheated more, but the gap may be tightening. What makes you think the narrative here is reliable? Especially about cheating? These narratives are typically spun by 20 yr olds who would never have had an opportunity to cheat in the first place…what would they know about this??? https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:52 PM
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Thats like 50 years ago. You said 20. Also it was the 60s?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:23 PM
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Women have had economic freedom for a good amount of time. And tinder “allowed” women to date based on physical attraction?! Wut?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:16 PM
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Im not sure where youre getting “most” but clearly theyre not ok with the parameters of the relationship, hence cheating. If it was open i dont think you could define it as cheating, so theres something theyre not happy or content with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:33 PM
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Sometimes they do. But by that logic anyone in a relationship is automatically content…which doesnt check out with even the tiniest bit of scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:27 PM
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“It is said” by who? Men cheat more than women, so its not like men are easily contented either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:48 PM
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Half of women are single moms? Maybe read what youre citing just one more time?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:01 PM
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doesnt the red pill try to propose way simpler logic for men and women? men want to spread their seed far and wide, get a harem full of women, women want to lock down a high value man. men value this, women value that. chad carousel, settle for beta. all these really dumbed down ways to understand attraction. there is some reasoning to attraction if you take a step back and look at it from a larger perspective. people date within their socioeconomic class, within their education level, within a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:59 AM
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so you went through hell to find a good girl that you’re cool with…and then you cheat on her to spite all the bad girls you didn’t like and were mean to you? wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:11 AM
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i dont think when people make these claims theyre implying all or even most men/women are something, just that they think in a healthy family this is their role. men also start caring about sexual assault a buttload more when they have kids. don’t want your sons raping anyone, or your daughters getting raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 01:07 AM
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if you cherry pick a few elements from trp, maybe. not the harem of women, borderline sexual assault, make me a sandwich, calling women hoes, etc. thats going to get your son kicked out of school and in jail. edit: also not the men are born with no value, women are born with value garbage, slut shaming, obsessions with numerical values, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 01:03 AM
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in your supposed scenarios, the man cheating is way worse. he betrays his wifes trust for NO REASON. why didnt he just go to the gym for exercise? why lie to his wife? this has the potential to destroy a healthy relationship. the woman cheats because she wants someone new, ie its essentially already over. minimal harm. leaving your supposed scenarios, and coming back to reality, theyre equally bad lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 12:57 AM
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Thats reasonable for the purposes of this post. Though “ugly” is not the right characterization. I do often see this cited to bolster arguments which just assume that the women wouldn’t look at “ugly” guys using this specific old af post, which would be an inaccurate interpretation of what it actually showed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:02 PM
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That same thing showed women predominantly messaged men who were rated below average. Men messaged the most attractive women way, way more than the less attractive women. It really either shows the men on OKcupid at the time were less attractive than average men (this is extremely old so possible) or women had an unrealistic “average” but decided to message what they believed to be below average men anyway. Perseverating over this like 15 or something yr old blog post while only cherry picking t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:30 PM
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You said “all dating apps have similar dynamics.” Thats what i was responding to. If you agree the 5% thing is only relevant to tinder, and wouldnt apply to FB or reddit, thats fine. “swiping” isnt a good estimation of dating up or down since only 1 in 200 some swipes lead to anything. So you would have to account for the filtering that occurs after swiping to judge dating up or down. Personally i really dont get this sex drive/date down thing. I never really did that. The better match you find,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:02 PM
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Even if all social media functions as dating apps, you cant just assume their metrics will mirror tinders just because. On tinder the swipe rate is 5%. That doesnt mean youll see the same thing for whoever uses FB. Can you clarify how it skyrocketed in 2012? Was personally a pretty good year for me lol. What age group suddenly became sexless? Like <21 or older than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:45 PM
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The statistic is only relevant to tinder. How do you know how many men are being picked with FB or reddit? Dating apps existed before tinder. Is sexlessness among men aged 20-30 that different between 2000 to 2010? Then 2010-2019 (lets skip covid)?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:51 PM
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Is 3:1 not big enough? Whatever the remaining delta is can be explained by pickiness or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:26 PM
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No idea the reliability of that method of testing, but its hard for me to see the relevance if its going too far back in time. Would be interesting to see how they came up with how many women reproduced, but certainly a different methodology. Trying to coalesce data from 2 methods of possibly wildly varying reliability is dubious, and in reality, doesnt form a great coherent statement unless you throw the caveats in. Like if there was a confidence interval for the male method, and the female one…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:25 PM
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This would need way more context to have meaning. Is this some estimate based on genetics? If so that could easily include info from when we werent even genetically modern humans yet. Is this some estimation from recorded history only? I would consider it pretty garbage without context.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:04 PM
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Whats the basis of the 80% thing? This is likely dubious, or simply untrue. The tinder swipe statistics are likely true. I believe this is mostly public info. But tinder is filled with way more men, so it makes a lot of sense for women to be pickier. Not being picky means being completely dumped on with messages. Not sure about virginity or sex within a year. The last statement doesnt even make sense. A third of men didnt reproduce but most women did? Isnt 2/3 of men most men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:59 PM
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if its hard for most people, its more or less fair? its not supposed to be easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:34 AM
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most of the posts start with “we couldnt keep our hands off each other” “we had sex every time we saw each other.” a lot of them devolve because of health issues, age, kids, all reasons not related to attraction for a deadbedroom. even for the ones that have attraction issues, that likely developed over time. its really hard to believe that starting humping like bunnies is a situation where there was never any attraction and it was all fake. there are a few posts that say it started off at best …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:59 AM
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i definitely dont have to be immediately smitten with them. but at some point, that would have to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:50 PM
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A. This isnt a woman only thing. Its hard to know exactly what you like. People pop up and challenge that all the time. B. I dont think your very shallow summary of what people like really is any better. edit: why do you people keep bringing up deadbedrooms lol. deadbedrooms dont have anything to do with this. if there was no physical attraction the bedroom would never have been alive in the first place. if it changed over time, theres almost certainly much more to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:34 PM
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Do you mean ALL of these traits simultaneously? Then yes, but 10% of men are easily effortlessly (relatively speaking, putting in the work but not grinding all the time) intelligent and capable, or effortlessly good looking or whatever. Not everyone cares about every single trait that can be deemed “valuable” equally. Even people grinding arent likely covering every potential source of value. A woman can easily value a few things, pick a dude who is effortlessly in the upper echelon in a few of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:36 PM
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Charisma and looks dont always take effort. You can have an extremely comfortable lifestyle without excessive grinding, if youre really smart, like a dermatologist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 01:01 PM
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Why is this a dichotomy? How are they mutually exclusive? A guy isnt only valuable if hes grinding all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:52 AM
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aren’t deer and lions very polygamous with similar dimorphism? i think theres definitely stronger associations elsewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:39 AM
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why does sexual dimorphism affect monogamy or polygamy? why wouldn’t this be more decided by the child rearing process which is quite prolonged for humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:36 AM
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anyone has every right to leave for any reason. i still don’t see how this issue is goofy, or worth ridicule. this situation is a lot closer to normal sex than your VR headset scenario. most women have a hard time orgasming with penetrative sex only. some extra effort often has to be put in to take care of it entirely, or get her close enough so she can orgasm with penetration so why is it so different using a vibrator vs oral or your hands?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:17 AM
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As soon as something gets hard, just start lying and deceiving. thats how you do it boys. cant get something you feel entitled to? trick someone into giving it to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:23 AM
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i dont see how this is not part of the natural selection process. its not entirely random. its based on the mans genes. the sex ratio is deeply skewed towards men in china. the natural rate is around 105:100 male:female.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:06 AM
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i agree with you but some people do that, like simps, so it could be advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:56 AM
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its probably not an illness if they can do it themselves. but i agree its a problem. what makes it ridiculous? seasonal depression is a problem. its not ridiculous, and people stay in relationships with seasonally depressed people often enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:53 AM
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i just dont have the right context. does this mean dont spend a lot of time chasing 1 woman? or dont try to go after women at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:35 AM
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most of these examples dont indicate the woman is interested in ending things. one of them even says that the dude is the one who ended it for this reason. i dont think someone having difficulty orgasming means theyll definitely make a big deal out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:32 AM
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there is a problem. thats why its an illness. i dont think difficulty orgasming with someone else rises to that level, but you could say its a problem. what makes it ridiculous?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:29 AM
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Why is it “ridiculous” lol? Is ED ridiculous? Women tolerate ED all over the place. Theres a reason those drugs are money makers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:02 PM
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Is this a no sex before marriage thing? If not it really doesnt matter; i doubt this factors in much at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:08 PM
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Im cool with BJJ and judo. Maybe wrestling, too much skin to skin for me maybe. I really dont want to get kicked or punched in the head though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:56 PM
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Context? Do you mean “dont try to look for women to date?” Or “dont literally run and chase after women?” Do lots of men tell you not to look for women to date?!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:52 PM
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This is a pretty weird point of view that makes women not sound human at all. If youre with a group, and you start talking to a woman you just met in that group, how are you invisible? Even if shes not attracted to you youre not invisible, she might even remember your name for quite a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:43 PM
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No, but i dont think its super easy to get anyone to feel about you the same way you feel about them. Thats pretty hard. Stop thinking about what women want, what women complain about, women like this, women dont like that. Just think about the person in front of you. What does SHE want? What does SHE like? In the end “all women” is absurdly broad, most accurate generalizations going that broad will fail like 30-50% of the time when applied to an individual. Thats assuming the generalization is …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:23 PM
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Its like selling a house. You know there is an estimated market value, but depending on your timing, agent, listing strategy, and just luck, you can either get 15% more than that within a week or have to settle for 5%-10% less after waiting months. Individual people are buying, with their individual sense of values. You may think the house around the block is comparable, but individuals can prefer it heavily over yours for completely odd reasons, or maybe even very logical reasons youre not awar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:29 PM
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Its not only for the guy, but shes not likely to make that decision and then make career sacrifices unless there is the financial security of marriage. If thats what the guy wants, and the woman isnt dumb, you only have marriage (some fringe exceptions if youre very wealthy).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 04:33 PM
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by work i mean mechanically function, not work out. im specifically referring to how hard breaking up is, even when you know you should, so im referring to cases where it hasnt worked out. in a leverage situation, the instant its lost is the instant things end. if you want a fundamentalist relationship, you have to take the drawbacks too. you cant have it both ways. as an average guy you get virtually no choice, just whoever is available/arranged, you barely meet your wife before marriage, you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 03:58 PM
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Your frame of mind here is kind of crazy. Why should you have leverage in dating or relationships? Thats pretty messed up. Thats basically coercion. And even if not, once you lose that leverage youre instantly done? Thats typically not how most relationships work. There is a bond there that typically can be hard to break even if “leverage” is lost, especially temporarily. As for the general substance of your post, im not sure there is a problem. People use a variety of strategies, and most men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 02:22 PM
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vendor lock in is essentially unavoidable unless you are more or less happy living a life that’s similar to being single, even when you have an SO. this really sucks out many of the practical, financial benefits of a relationship though. sharing a piece of property using 2 incomes, having kids, etc. dont get married too early be quick to abandon relationships you got into while you were very young, and delay marrying these partners until you’re much older line up your ducks early and make sure e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 02:25 AM
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only a dumb woman would give stuff up for you, including having kids with you and taking some time off from work, without marriage. The upside is basically encouraging the woman to make financial sacrifices for the life that you want; for the benefit of the family. This applies to me personally, since I’m not like the best home maker. I have male friends who cut down on their hours and their wives are the primary bread winners, so this benefit isn’t exclusive to men; women who are primary breadw…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 01:06 AM
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this isnt exactly a part of the scenario described. there wouldnt be much opportunity for this type of social proof to come up in the early early stages of the “typical” initial stages of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:59 PM
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As a man i really get #2 also. Attractive women are magnetic, and i do feel an urge to say something to them, but unless im in the right frame of mind, and comfortable with them, i almost never do any more than that. I have to be single, in the right mood, in the right setting etc to try to have a long conversation. Otherwise i might say a few words, try to illicit a smile and move on. For #1 no one is policing your thoughts. Just dont be rude. If you see a beautiful woman in nice clothes do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:29 PM
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Man
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:03 PM
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It depends on your age. Most women arent picky about current success at younger ages. They marry some guy within 3 years of their age typically so if youre both young, theyre unlikely to care much about current money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:02 PM
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Imo i see way more women with homescreens and profile pics of their wedding photos than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:19 PM
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I agree with 2, thats about it. Whenever youre with anyone, man or woman, if important needs arent met, the clock does start ticking. Depending on how strong the relationship is, it can go ticking for a while though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:16 PM
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i think as a whole, the aggregate spectrum of emotions that men and women feel may differ, but its really hard to quantify what emotional means. men feel more anger in their lives probably than women, for instance. i really disagree with the bigger picture and foresight. men are emotional also, and the emotions men are prone to are also prone to causing shortsightedness, being gullible, etc. it would take a lot to show that women are significantly more shortsighted, or gullible when men fall for…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:09 AM
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who knows, maybe? but on an individual to individual basis, it probably doesnt matter what the trend is as a whole. as a man you can easily meet a woman who loved you more intensely than you have loved anyone else. or vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:03 AM
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This is just a load of confirmation bias? Being older also lessens the impact of an age gap. But instead of considering that you automatically start associating it with some sexual value thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:37 PM
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K but the original comment was asking if the married dudes were married to virgins or hos. My point is that the ideal point is in the middle. You arent a ho just because youre not a virgin, and looking for a chaste until marriage girl is not the best idea.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:31 PM
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Wanting premarital sex and someone who is chaste until marriage is even more contradictory.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:25 PM
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So you dont want premarital sex?! Generally not a good idea to get married before knowing wtf is going to happen in the bedroom.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 04:56 PM
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but why cant they criticize you? if theyre less than 6 ft, curry or whatever, and doing fine, why cant they criticize your outlook? isnt your whole point that they stand no chance?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 03:52 PM
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This isnt something i would ever say, since I think you really should be looking, but a lot of stuff does fall in your lap. Even if youre supposed to initiate, you never know when youll be introduced to someone you really like, who has been single just around 3-6 months, and is also into you. That kind of situation is pretty rare and there is a good chance you just encounter it, since even if you actively look, thats a hard thing to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:43 PM
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Why? If theyre doing great, and youre 6ft, not ugly, and cant get a number…isnt that basically what theyre criticizing?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 03:37 PM
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Why is this a binary? The vast majority of women are neither virgins nor hos. Unless your definition of ho is basically not a virgin? That presents a lot of problems. You dont want premarital sex?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 03:35 PM
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Maybe most people would be better off with a happy medium, but i truly prefer not getting random attention. Id rather control who i talk to, when and where. I would hate getting approached randomly when im not ready and by people who im not interested in. I dont think attention for the sake of attention is all that great. It only feels great when you want to reciprocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:19 PM
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How does having kids benefit men? It doesnt “benefit” anyone unless you want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:49 PM
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what. are. you. talking. about? you know who cares the most about climate change? its not a male female thing…its a coastal/islander thing.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 04:07 AM
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“women are massive narcissists and believe that the female form is peak attractiveness…” how did you intend for that to be interpreted? the whole post is a troll, so i just responded to the funniest part.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 04:05 AM
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lol WHAT? all gay people are narcissistic because they like the same gender? get outta here.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 02:32 AM
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uh wtf? some of these things are very contradictory. not good enough in bed AND not chaste enough? why would a chaste girl be good in bed? she wouldn’t be having sex due to chastity, how is anyone supposed to know how good in bed she is?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 12:21 AM
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you can freely say you prefer lower N, but when you add “disgust” lol what do you expect? if a woman said short guys disgusted her, do you think the reaction would be less angry?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 12:16 AM
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Cheating doesnt always lead to paternity… so i see that being deceptive about paternity is an additional layer of immorality, but thats its own thing. I disagree with everything else. What do you mean a woman can make guy friends but a man cant make female friends?! Are you saying the same woman has this issue? This is really the problem of an individual. Its not a general rule. Time and resources are just as valuable for a woman as a man. For women of childbearing age interested in having child…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:49 PM
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Oi, expert in psychology and evolutionary science here, ready to “prove” that the blackpill is basically reality…
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:44 PM
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this really isn’t the core issue. the core issues are usually health, life situation, or overall relationship related. not because sex is boring. your solution may fix boring sex, not so much no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 11:15 PM
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the purpose of life isn’t to have children, its to pass on your genes. you can do that without having children. like ants and termites. on different levels, it doesn’t even have to be genetic. you could enrich a group, allowing other members to pass on their genes and increasing the numbers in that group. there’s nothing inherently more meaningful in participating in natural selection, than say, something like nationalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 11:09 PM
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i dont think cost of living should be a big deal. 5 years isnt enough to substantially alleviate these issues. youd basically have to be married by 21 or so to experience support in the education department. other than dodging student loans, i dont see how it benefits the couple to have just a timing difference in their careers. it makes sense if both people want kids, but at different points in their lives. otherwise. its probably more optimal to be closer in age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 07:55 PM
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i dont see a contradiction here. a thing can be rare and bad at the same time. niche problems are obsessed over by some individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 02:35 PM
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i have no distrust of promiscuous women overall. even if youd rather not be in a long term relationship with them, i don’t see it as suggesting any character issues the way a 30 year old consistently trying to date 18-19 year olds does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:16 AM
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i dont care enough to do anything about it unless im close to the women in some way, they are consenting adults. i care enough to judge them for it though. i wouldnt want my daughter around an older guy attracted to teens. i dont think these are particularly likely to be upstanding people. of the random prejudices people can have, this is probably one of the more reasonable ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 03:36 AM
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im male and sexual. i recognize when certain behaviors are inappropriate. you might understand if you had a wife, or even better, a daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 03:25 AM
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dunno who would call you pedo for liking 22-24 yr olds, esp if youre 23. even 18 is whatever for you, but it is quite cringey to specifically target teens when youre in your late 20s or older. not pedophilia, just off putting. not sure where youre getting peak fertility includes 18-19, but even if true its still creepy. its a life experience thing, not a fertility thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 03:02 AM
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Dunno wtf an anchor baby is and how youre suppose to see that but other than 6, 2, and maybe 5 to an extent, how are you supposed to miss all these signs before getting married lol? At some point thats on you.
/r/AllPillDebate03/09/23 06:11 PM
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Women who want rich guys is met with just about as much derision as men who want virgins. This is a pretty dumb thing to want though, unless youre a fundamentalist who believes in no sex until after marriage (which is still dumb in its own way). If you believe in sex before marriage, you expect this woman to just strike gold with you suddenly, as her first boyfriend? Theres no room for failure? Youre limiting your options for no reason there really.
/r/AllPillDebate03/09/23 05:25 PM
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this is either a sexual kink involving some dominance in bed, or referring to a man taking over something the woman was doing, and presumably doing it better, more efficiently or something like that. I think in most couples you can point to specific instances where the sexual kink and/or the taking over is loved by the woman, but its pretty bad advice to follow. many women won’t always want you to be dominant in bed, or they may like you play that role but you should still be listening to them, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:37 PM
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i disagree this is a real problem. 60s are getting with 60s all the time. the less common instances where a 60 needs an 80 shouldnt be fixed for the reasons i described. they feel what they feel, and theyre likely to eventually come to regret ever lowering their standards at some point. theyll just have a rough time. in the op you mentioned their standards were only recently allowed to manifest, but now thats artificial? is it genuine and suppressed or artificial?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:58 AM
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i still dont think thats great. do you want to be stuck with someone who decided to lower their standards just to be with someone? i dont think that bodes well for your future. even if she managed to temporarily accept you and felt some genuine attraction, the resentment and regret will eventually pop up. i do believe people can mature and standards can mature, but assuming theyre fully matured, straight up dropping them because they couldnt be met isnt something id want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:48 AM
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not sure what age range youre thinking of but probably? same age range women are successful since more modern times? anyway my point is mainly that this decade comparison is kinda goofy. i was successful when i was ready to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:43 AM
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why would you want a situation where someone lowered their standards for you? thats definitely not an option. i think the whole problem is way overblown and only exists on tinder, where men greatly outnumber women. im struggling to understand how women are suddenly able to “manifest” their standards in a way that men arent also also able to? if younger marriage was deeply encouraged and expected, men would also be under the same pressure. if arranged marriages were common, neither men nor women …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:36 AM
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most men get married earlier than that. by the time theyre 40 theyre likely the last unmarried friend. one other guy might be divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:44 AM
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i mean yes for half of it? i was technically adult for around half. not that mature, but a technical adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:15 AM
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Can you explain this? Isnt he a comedian? If its a schtick hes not really a simp. Its a joke. I dont see how MAKING money off simping can still be called simping. Tbh i only know steve harvey as a comedian and dont know what youre referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:31 AM
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Society isnt only your 20 yr old girlfriends. Your uncle, aunt, mom, grandpa, all ask “when are you going to have kids?” “Youre not getting any younger.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:30 AM
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Ok that sounds about right…how is this an epidemic? Maybe when youre like 19? Older simps arent as common.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 10:11 PM
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So a simp is anyone who gives attention to women in hopes of sex? So just talking to someone at a party is simping? Shouldnt a “simp” have a more restricted definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 09:32 PM
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What even is a simp anymore? A simp used to be a guy who was basically a doormat to a girl with no promise of anything romantic. But some people here just consider any guy in a committed relationship a simp?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:51 PM
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its probably over. she already ended it. trying to start it up again may work temporarily, but just not likely to work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 03:39 PM
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a study like that lacks real world reference. you can’t “trade” features in reality, so its not convincingly able to get over the hypothetical nature of the question. regardless of the results, it doesn’t prove the black pill. here are just some issues: since it’s so hypothetical, it severely depends on the interpretation of the question from the subject and the limits to their imagination. you’ve only asked about personality, so at best, it could show that women care more about attractiveness t…
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 05:13 AM
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You shouldnt be funding science. Science doesnt prove anything. Thats not how science works. Theres not going to a great study since its a social science, its predictive value will be low. Im no expert on social science but theres basically no way to investigate the “black pill” or something that nebulous. You could only investigate a few much more narrow questions. If the question is whether women only care about physical attraction, you would have to essentially demonstrate they dont seem to c…
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 04:52 AM
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the time is such a weird thing to care about. it’s really not that important even if we’re only talking about sexual compatibility. a woman who orgasms in 5 minutes could require some activities that you don’t enjoy, always insist on getting that out of the way first, and then kind of deadfish the rest of the way, the woman who orgasms in 20 minutes can get there doing what you like, still enjoy it if she doesn’t get there, have similar foreplay sensibilities (imo this is the most important thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:21 PM
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50% is a total exaggeration. I wasn’t really “dating” until the later part of that decade, but more asian women were with asian guys than not, and even the ones that were not were not all like “no asians.” it’s gotten better but it wasn’t that bad back then. I actually don’t think the asian women angle has changed that much; just non-asians are way more accepting now than before, which accounts for the largest change. I remember basically never flirting with non-asians. If it ever happened it wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:14 AM
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i feel like you just gave a whole lecture with no support. where are you getting that the BEST predictor of women having less intercourse is neuroticism? these personality tests are largely crap. they’re barely internally valid. people will score differently on different days. the best ones are at least somewhat better than the others in this regard, but ALL personality type tests are utterly useless at predicting anything. it’s simply a pretty unscientific approach to form these discrete person…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 03:58 AM
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I had the most success between 2010-2020 so im gonna vote for that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 10:54 PM
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Depends on your age. Some people can take longer to mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:32 PM
1

Im pretty open on a moment to moment basis about how i feel, even if it makes me vulnerable. I never discuss my general negative feelings if i have them. I dont know if thats a male thing or just my personality but i would much rather deal with that myself. I think people closest to me can vaguely read it, but we dont talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:45 PM
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Both groups do it, not all individuals do it. Everyone settles on some things, but many people get a lot of what theyve always wanted. People just want to feel like they both made a great choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:29 AM
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Id argue its better than having 1 person raise them until theyre 5. Daycare is great for kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:07 AM
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I think it goes both ways. The man should probably look for the same in a woman. The actual current situation doesnt matter nearly as much as the trajectory unless youre older.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:05 AM
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Lol what? The career woman is funding the childcare if you get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:03 AM
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2-3 really varies. If your wife is introverted she will likely appreciate you as her best friend. If youre introverted theres no reason to do 3, if you think going against your nature like that is necessary to maintain the relationship, thats not an ideal situation (not the end of the world, but not ideal). 5 is a chicken and egg issue, but definitely worth trying. I agree with 1 and 4. However, you can let yourself go a little for a little while probably with no issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:48 AM
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It does vary. I prefer to be rejected by people who i just met or are not very familiar with in a non-awkward, indirect way. I also normally am similarly indirect. For people im better acquainted with i prefer a simple straight rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:42 AM
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Is this post only meant to internally compare people within the sub? Or to all men? If all men, plenty are really dumb.
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 03:03 PM
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I was talking about the women in those clubs full of feminists.
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:54 PM
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why isn’t there a “dumb” -4 points lol?!?!?!
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:46 PM
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im a straight man.
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:44 PM
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are you referring to china? they’re the most populous country, and 55% male, so yeah, incels there actually make sense. way more men than women. not all smart though, i promise. also, if you’re pointing there specifically, they care A LOT about intelligence in partners. women in china virtually NEVER even look at anyone of a lower education level. id say intelligence is maybe as important as looks, maybe you are right in that it’s less, but you have like 10 categories of a detailed breakdown of …
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:43 PM
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im saying people who tell you not to approach people in bars aren’t inherently feminist. any random woman can hold that opinion. its not related. youre in high school lol. you dont even have the requisite life experience to judge whether thats a reasonable ask or not. dunno about your school but in mine they were popular, outgoing, ambitious. random mix of attractive and not attractive, but mostly well connected with lots of friends.
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:34 PM
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how can you judge “genetic trash” with only looks and not something as important as intelligence? will anyone think your genetics are great if you’re really, really stupid?
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:28 PM
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your hypothetical person doesn’t sound like a feminist. they’re not all that concerned with incels, even if they have feelings about them. telling people to not approach people at bars is not really a feminism thing. feminists may say that, but randos can as well, its not really that important a topic, esp now. there are probably clubs in your school filled with feminists. you dont have any political action clubs? debate teams?
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:26 PM
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why is dumb as bricks vs einstein not on this genetic assessment? how can you be some genetic adonis and dumb as rocks?
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:18 PM
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i don’t think most people who do this are rapists. just that rapists would gravitate towards this type of situation and are maybe overrepresented. still likely a small minority. rape doesn’t have to be violent, and can still involve some part of the dating process. rape has potential consequences anywhere, but happens anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:51 AM
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k? you dont think instincts guide people to be multifactorial when looking for someone to have kids with? how do you think humans made it this far if our criteria were so dumb?
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 03:42 AM
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lol why would you think instinctually, the feelings for offspring depend on remotely the same criteria as feelings for a potential mate?
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 02:50 AM
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JUST KNOW YOUR OWN LIKES AND COMPATIBILITY BRO…oh wait, thats actually great advice.
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 01:09 AM
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Are you saying people who move mainly for work reasons? I would agree, but people who move mainly for sex are upwardly mobile?’ edit: my personal bias is that my family are immigrants. but hard disagree on your assessment that they’re more likely to fall for a gas station worker, in the US at least. chances are, you have to immigrate through education or work, something like childcare, unless you win the greencard lottery. i’m assuming they’re not wealthy, so if they do it through education, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:58 PM
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Polygamy is illegal in most western countries? So monogamy is enforced. What youre advocating for is the removal of choice which is not something people are going to turn their back on. This isnt a great concept i agree. But the pill alternatives are worse. Either “its over before it began for you” or “all women want these set of qualities.” A more practical look is much better, but that would be hard to condense into a simple message.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:11 PM
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As a an apparent right winger based on context, how many do you know intimately to be able to get a good statistical estimate of their inner motivations?!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:00 PM
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i don’t mean the potential rapist part to be offensive, i just mean that without any other knowledge, someone who comes to a country seemingly only to have sex has a good chance to be a rapist. the opposite is true too, someone from that country who seemingly only targets foreigners has a good chance of being a grifter. the leftover part was mean, lol didn’t mean for it to come across that way but i was trying to put myself in the pov of a family member of a well-to-do girl from that country.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:13 PM
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sorry? ive known lots of people who spent a prolonged period in other countries (not necessarily popular ppbro spots), but never met a ppbro who does it mainly for sex. whats the most offensive part of that characterization?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 12:54 PM
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its both physiological and a lack of attention. most women cant orgasm with piv alone, most men can. there’s probably going to be a gap if all quickies involve only 1 person orgasming. quickies are also common at different points in life; when you’re younger and trying to dodge parents, or older and trying to dodge kids. the lack of attention could be selfishness and/or a lack of communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 12:39 PM
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i’m more outspoken for it after getting hot sex, repeatedly, and then taking part in the consequences; pregnancy, kids. i dont do it for sex, i get that either way. i kind of do it because of sex though. when i was much, much, younger, i waffled between pro-life and pro-choice. after watching someone carry a baby for 9 months, i basically consider it a human rights violation to force someone to do that against their will. doesnt matter that it saves a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 12:27 PM
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how? i’m saying there are predators among them. they can be exploiting you too. if anything, the racism is from the ppbro. 2 consenting adults can have sex, one or both can still be racist, i don’t see how that’s related. like i said, the vast majority of people who do this are probably great. how do you not see the racism and/or predatory nature of going to poorer countries just to have sex with women? on the flip side, there can easily be a predatory element in women who exclusively target vul…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 12:02 PM
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This is simply a situations where deviants flourish, including on the other end. Its not only the travelers who are predators. I agree its not inherently predatory to do what you say, but a substantially disproportionate number of people who travel MAINLY to have sex with poorer women are predatory. Most women arent indoctrinated to be dragged into a situation like that. Hence the stigma from both ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:58 AM
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I dont agree with your justification though. Yeah, its fine for women in poorer countries to want a better life, but its frowned upon in both societies because of the predation. I WOULDNT want my daughter to pursue this route. Id love for them to marry into wealth probably, but not a passport bro. Ideally she would go to the wealthy country and find someone, not try to mooch off of crappy leftovers who may or may not be rapists. Edit: i dont think all or even most people who move to poorer count…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:44 AM
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Its not inherently predatory to move somewhere else and bang some people. Its just a situation that is rife with predators. Minimal accountability, desperate marks. This is on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:23 AM
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Are you arguing for or against at this point? Are you trying to exaggerate my point to absurdity? Since i already gave a clear example where a race to victimhood is a mindset problem. Whats the difference between being a snowflake white person thinking the world is against them and being a man thinking all women hate/oppress/malign them? Both are a mindset problem.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 02:38 AM
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Its not a solution to racism. It is a solution to some white snowflake syndrome where they think the world is some reverse racist cabal. Like i said, many social issues. When did i say all?
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 02:19 AM
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Changing your mindset is a great solution to many things. Not climate change, but many social issues. Stop constantly racing to be the biggest victim.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 02:02 AM
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Lol whats a manlet? I agree with your first idea that 29 is extremely late for a first date, but 5’7 is nowhere near that extremity in height. Im 5’7 and did fine since 21.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 01:59 AM
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You can just have sex without marriage. Thats not really a great reason to get married. Certainly a part of it, but thats not the core exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:43 PM
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Child care has value. The state is paying for that. Its easy when what men do translate to monetary value but you ignore what the women who “take” do. There are more single moms than single dads. If they up and died the burden of caring for those children would fall on the state. Thats a form of value. The basic exchange for a married couple is a partnership. Both people do whats necessary to benefit the partnership. You dont get married for sex unless youre a fundamentalist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:19 PM
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Can you explain what women get from the state that men dont? Caring for a child is costly, not really covered by welfare entirely in nearly all cases. What do they personally get? Why would they choose to singularly bare the responsibility of a child with a meager handout, as opposed to raising the child with the help of a partner? Men can also get on government assistance, with or without a child. Dont project what men want. What are all these doctors and engineer men doing marrying and having …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:12 PM
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are you talking about a friend group or community? most breakups don’t involve anyone leaving the community. if someone is saying they got raped, then a person might get ostracized, but it’s not exactly like most breakups end with those kinds of accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:17 AM
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the age range, the sampled women can be somehow more likely to be in relationships than the sampled men, since it’s self-reported, the idea of what being “in a relationship” means something different to the sampled men vs sampled women. I think most surveys have more young women in relationships than young men (many likely due to the reasons above, i’m gonna assume polygamy isn’t significant), but the most absurd splits like 60 something vs 30 something are probably also just outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:12 AM
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i feel like you basically get the idea, but just decided to rope in your hatred of women for no reason. the more logical way to interpret the same idea is that women feel safer since she thinks the guy won’t do truly awful things (whatever that means in the community) to her without consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:59 AM
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isn’t a simp someone who basically won’t get any but still worships a girl? i think the guys your referring to are actually getting some though. you could argue many are betas?
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 03:52 AM
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Yes but it really depends. Its definitely not sustainable if shes the only one who wants to do it all the time. Id do it if im tired but almost never when im stressed. I like to deal with stress alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:33 AM
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Its social proof, but even without that, in communities that dont socialize that often, its still accountability. Either way, it really alleviates a number of red flags so the threshold for getting any contact info or meeting is much lower. At least theyre confident youre probably not a grifter or rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:06 AM
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Isnt this basically just a more long winded “be yourself?”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:55 AM
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Uh what? Do you have some absurdly narrow definition of a compliment or something? No one has said youre smart, cute, handsome, clever, capable, literally anything positive about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:23 PM
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Are you talking about weddings or a marriage? Theres no point in the marriage without the law. That IS the point. Dont get married otherwise. The law part of the marriage allows you truly be a partnership, where you can divy up responsibilities without 1 partner feeling threatened by their choices. One person can make earnings sacrifices for the benefit of the partnership without feeling the looming pressure of being left high and dry upon getting dumped. Lets say a married couple has 2 kids. 1 …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:56 PM
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k maybe my example was too long. you’ll be missing out on plenty of 4th dates simply by virtue of the fact you decided to actively avoid complimenting someone. you likely won’t miss 4th dates simply because you gave 2 compliments across 3 dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:27 AM
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honestly not aware of the satire thing, but if it’s satirical doesn’t that suggest it’s not a legitimately held set of beliefs by the people performing the satire? just from reading these subs, it seems like it’s more thrown at people, than something someone will actually identify with, which is not like the red pill, since people actively identify with it. what’s a core belief of the red pill? the gym thing isn’t? like virigns only please? it could just make you a plain creep? going back to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:24 AM
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maybe improve yours? you don’t start arguing about “why” until there’s some established basis. if that basis isn’t agreed upon there’s really not a huge argument to be had about “why” since we can’t even agree that it’s true. your whole post is accusing bluepillers of gaslighting and casually just suggesting it’s widely accepted that women like murderers more than average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:15 AM
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how long can you keep a relationship without EVER complimenting the other person? you can get first dates without compliments. try a 3 year relationship with 0 compliments. not impossible…but you’d probably be dumped simply for the lack of compliments by a number of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:10 AM
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it’s not made to oppose the red pill. the red pill was made to oppose general social norms, hence its name. it’s a fringe idea by nature, so you’re either part of it or not. if you’re not, people who are a part of it will call you “bluepilled” even though that descriptor means almost nothing. if you agree with some of the ideas, like lets say, going to the gym will make you more appealing, you’re still just a regular dude. unless you’re part of the whole shebang you’re not red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:08 AM
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the study still characterizes this as an alternative strategy. more substance users, psychiatric issues…more children doesn’t mean more options. is this even a lifestyle you would consider? are those women women you would consider?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:05 AM
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i ditched most of my friends when i got into relationships. not maliciously, just gradually through a lack of maintenance. some of them might have ditched me for the same reason too. i really just prefer having a few friends, ideally one of them would live with me and regularly have sex with me. it’s so very hard to maintain many friendships, and they never filled the void of a partner. it’s not really about an experience, like going out on a date or whatever. there’s a committed directionality …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:59 AM
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compliments show interest. you’re going to miss the boat on a lot of people if you never show interest. they also set a mood if they’re welcome. as long as you don’t overdo it it’s more or less necessary for most people. honestly i think the text length matters infinitely less than perseverating over text length. you’ve stopped before you ever got started if you’re engaging in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:46 AM
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i hate when posts just start with a really crazy assumption. can we please show how women, as a general whole love criminals and murderers before arguing about why? like do you think your average murderer has more/better women after them than your average optometrist? nah dude, that optometrist is where my money is at all day every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:37 AM
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i’m pretty sure good looking people should want to improve themselves also. i don’t think anyone would want to stay with someone who has nothing going on, is going nowhere and has no ambitions. less good looking people maybe have to pass a few more bars before getting dates or girlfriends, but whether you’re good looking or not, if you’re going nowhere you end up in the same place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:31 AM
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how can anyone tell how attractive you are online? you really dont need to crack the top 20% or whatever, as long as you’re not actually being creepy and doing it at socially awkward times, with people you have 0 rapport with, or people who are clearly not in the right state of mind. you won’t be accused of harassment in all likelihood if you don’t persist, or aren’t 0-60 with everything. just give the person an opportunity to shut it down. gaming is just normal…no one assumes you’re a virign if…
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 05:26 AM
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cute/sexy: how is it criminal for young men to do this? it maybe manifests differently in men and women, but flirting is pretty normal. if you act a certain way as an older man or woman, it can come across as weird. hobbies: which hobbies? even something as non-productive as “gaming” is normalized. fishing, camping, running, leather work, there are plenty of largely male hobbies that are seen as cool. hard working man: how is this not attractive? if hard working is a trait, its almost always bet…
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 02:04 AM
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how is this the first thing out of their mouths, and theres a prior established physical attraction? like how are you getting that attraction if there are no words? youre just that good at reading non-verbal cues and theyre always that obvious?
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:51 AM
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usually i tell the other people here to touch grass, but it seems like you need a bit of grass too.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:47 AM
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A leader can delegate lol… But on a serious note; your problem seems easier solved by reconsidering what 50/50 means rather than jumping to men should do almost everything. Just factor the pregnancy, periods, and menopause in. Most men probably dont want to be in your uncles situation. Im not looking for a dumb as rocks ward. If they are happy to then power to them but for most people its probably not going to work. There was a period where i did almost everything, and my wife “just” took care o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:10 PM
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Youve already presumed some crazy stuff so the whole argument feels like a straw man. I mean, yeah if men and women truly have those 2 completely different standards, violating 1 of the 2 constitutes physical assault, and a violation of bodily autonomy, while the other is at worst some grifting, but usually is just a consensual agreement over money? Also if a womans prime directive is resourceful man, arent you saying that directive is gold digging? How is gold digging a misbehavior in that case…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:44 PM
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Mainly health, hormonal changes, and overall dead relationship. Occasionally asexuality, sexual trauma, mismatched libidos, porn (? That one seems oddly common but i dont quite get it). Just based on the sub. I wouldnt know otherwise. I do know that health is huge. People age. Antidepressants are extremely common and a common side effect is libido related. Most i would say are not preventable between those specified people, but preventable in that they could have broken up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:17 PM
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Part of the reason the red pill is a thing is because it is incredibly specific, easily attributed to a very small subset of people. Individual beliefs are maybe quite common, but that package is the red pill. Theres is really no easy bucket to put all bluepill people into like that. If all of society thought looks were very important (pretty sure they already do) you still would have no way of forming a cohesive system of beliefs that everyone seems to share. By nature, the red pill HAS to be r…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:02 PM
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I had a manic pixie dream girl phase too. Im sure some people dont grow out of some preferences but i pointed this out because you wanted to draw a pattern about girls having immature phases and how some of them have commonalities. My point is if they ARE phases from very young years and have been outgrown, they are inherently immature and not some insightful look into what they truly want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:52 PM
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I grew out of simping and holding on to crushes as a teenager. Many People dont actually form a mature sense of what they want until later in life. Teenagers essentially are just playing or practicing at romantic relationships in a lot of cases. Some might have matured quicker, but if you “grow out” of a phase when youre just in your early 20s, chances are that phase represented an immature idea of what you wanted. Its also not like everyone has the same “phases” how many soon to be 24 yr olds d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:19 PM
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Im married, which is pretty lucky on my part since ive never been confident i could pull that off.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:52 PM
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Personalized advice isnt usually bad. Its good to get a little from friends. Its pretty problematic to give very general dating advice then point out super specific details. Youre going to get into the weeds of “what men/women want” which is almost always problematic. For people looking for that advice, theres not really a lot thats generalizable. Be yourself, know what youre looking for. Ask friends for more specific advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:46 PM
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it may or may not last but i dont get how youre creating sexual tension with no physical manifestations like touching? i also dont see what this attraction has to do with a relationship lasting. theyre not really related. arranged marriages can last. relationships with physical attraction can burn out fast too. whether a relationship lasts is based mostly on other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:46 PM
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Certain girls…dont try to make sense of it. Its not everyone. People are weird and illogical in all sorts of unique ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:24 PM
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I thought pretty highly of my outward appeal when i was single, but was worried it would be hard for me to carry a long term relationship. Im only 5’7 but Im pretty good looking otherwise. Definitely to a select group of people. I was in excellent shape and ran tons, just not jacked. I think im interesting, know several languages, have hobbies, decently smart, pretty funny, i was on a good career path, mental health, stable family. My social skills were pretty meh and socializing can make me pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:04 PM
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Relying on techniques seems like a pointless move. Just take care of yourself, whatever that means to you, and try to meet the people you like in a logical place. I really dont think the bluepill is a way of thinking. Its not a unified ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:44 PM
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I definitely dont agree that calling a boyfriend “daddy” in a sexual way is ubiquitous. Its definitely isolated to certain cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:23 PM
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Oppa doesnt mean daddy lol. Its “bro.” Who says “baba?” What language is that referencing since a lot have a word for father that sounds like that…which one is sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:55 PM
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If its a 1-10 rating whats the point if setting 9 and 10 to nonexistent? Might as well make it 1-8. Or adjust 10 such that it exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:45 PM
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If they dont exist, your rating is obviously the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:35 PM
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how about this then, successful people are more often nice, or appear nice, than clearly deceptive, mean, vicious, etc. sure drug dealers and fighters are exceptions. success often revolves around gaining other peoples affection, loyalty, trust, and/or respect. being nice and respectful is usually helpful in accomplishing this (but far from the most important method of doing so). most successful people who are ruthless dont appear so. so if you can pull that off, sure. most people arent built li…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:40 PM
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Nice is just respectful and courteous. You dont have to be a door mat. You dont even have to be magnanimous. Refusing to help someone at cost to yourself can be done nicely. As for CEOs, its not about comeuppance. Its just true, along with plenty of other professions where lying about certain things is criminal. Plenty of people can get away with little lies, but things like ponzi schemes always fail. It sounded like you were accusing everyone of lying to the top, but thats just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:56 PM
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Where have i implied people get their comeuppance? I specifically mention that there are people who are successful and arent nice, but they appear nice. My point is only that its a basic expectation. Even if youre not nice, you pretty much should pretend to be. Its not advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:18 PM
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What about well below average but not incredibly ugly? Most of those people are likely hopeful still. Edit also how does an average guy be blackpill and make it work? Isnt it chad or beta for life or whatever?
/r/AllPillDebate24/08/23 02:43 PM
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A little hope? Its really just natural to reject the blackpill. If all people gave up so easily on things they wanted, and adopted a fatalist approach to everything, no one would be alive. Instead of thinking “im doomed.” Most people would think “how can i make this work?”
/r/AllPillDebate24/08/23 01:59 PM
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no one has ever said being nice is what gets you ahead, or is a ticket to a good life. its the most basic of expectations. that would be like saying wearing clothing that’s not full of holes will get you ahead. even people who aren’t nice but are successful appear to be nice. CEOs don’t have to lie. lying gets CEOs jailed. they climb over other people but in a competition, doing so isn’t really not being nice. people who can lie and appear nice are naturals anyway, there’s no point in trying to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 11:03 AM
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like i said, it can just not be on her mind. do you mean a date? or a party? i agree if shes showing you no interest on a date. but if you meet at an event or party, and nothing happens, that doesnt mean anything.
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 10:51 PM
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Yeah OP thinks if theyre not pursuing you its just over. Thats such a self defeating outlook. Just because theyre not jumping your pp doesnt mean they think youre ugly. You dont know until you ask.
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 09:57 PM
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There is no ticket. The redpill is no ticket. Being nice is just part of being a decent person. Decent people > than awful people. Be nice to your dates, coworkers, friends, this isnt dating advice. This is just a bare minimum level of expectation in any social setting. If bluepill is general society, we could not be screaming loud enough to move on if theres no interest, what are you talking about? Bluepill is so diverse since its really just the non-cultish contingency. My only advice is to kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:28 PM
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They can also not be in a place to care. There are tons of attractive people on the street. Theyre not jumping every last one of them are they?
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 09:21 PM
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Thats when you know you need to break up?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:21 PM
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Why does everyone think its only looks and personality? Both are important in dating, even initial attraction, but neither are as important as life direction, socioeconomic aspirations/status or intelligence. Youre probably not ending up with someone way dumber or way smarter than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:35 PM
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If the only reason you want to be with someone is validation, yeah stick with hookups. If youre actually going to spend a lot of time with someone, you should enjoy it. If chad got married, hes had to do all of those things. Its just part of being with another human being. You have no idea how peoples emotions work at any given time. You could have met a woman when she was in a tough place, maybe she just broke up with someone. Meet her again a few weeks later, then again another month or 2 late…
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 04:23 PM
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Lol no. Read the posts by men. Depression, meds, medical issues, menopause, all common causes. Youre projecting. Edit also you dodged my point that these women are still thirsting despite the medical issue.
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 03:49 PM
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Most of the women posting there are thirsty AF for their husbands with ED or depression or just no interest. Read the posts from women. It usually goes something like “i know im attractive and get male attention but i just want my husband.” Most of the men posting are similar as well. Thats most of the sub.
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 02:27 PM
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Give up their careers for the sake of love? What are you talking about? Who does that? Give up a dead end job maybe? But you give up a career for kids. Whats a shit test? My wife didnt entirely give up her career but took a few years off for kids. Trust me, she took that for the team. I wasnt the slave, she was. Wait till you take care of a 2 month-3 yr old, or 2-3 of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:03 PM
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huh? thats the right information. thats exactly the data point the blog is proposing to illustrate how people behave with that looks rating. otherwise, who cares? what does the look rating mean if you cant translate it to a behavior? its just a thought. if youre not interested in looking at the actual hypothesis, dont try to use the data and fill all the missing pieces in with your own assumptions.
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 04:52 AM
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i always planned dates and for as long as ive been a legit adult ive paid for most of them. never chased anyone for weeks though after my first or 2nd year of college. i dont think the date planning is a loss, i prefer it. i pick what i want to do, what i want to eat, where i want to go. i try to be considerate but im still the one making the decision, which i much prefer. paying for it is the price for that privilege really. the girl buys me random gifts sometimes, or cook or bake for me, or in…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:28 AM
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nah, look up what a null hypothesis is. what confirmation bias is. you cant ever know if something is “true” because at any point, with the right observations, it can be shown to be false. there is no Truth that can be known by a human brain. basic science 101. edit sorry, this is only for theories about observable phenomena, you can know abstract things like 1+1=2, but you wouldnt need to do an experiment for something like that would you?
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 04:00 AM
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thats basically what you do. you get a hypothesis, and you try to disprove it.
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 03:49 AM
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im not trying anything. try to take the entirety of a data set rather than cherry picking one point and filling the rest in with your assumptions? the messaging is a key point in the actual blog post. if you arent willing to look at it, dont look at the blog post at all its meaningless. wtf does a 1-10 rating mean? if i asked a woman how they would rate your ping pong skills 1-10, do you think it means something other than their judgement of your ping pong skills? does that serve as a good surro…
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 02:32 AM
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its a delusional outlook. thinking women are hypergamous is just a delusion. no matter how it works, people generally match 1:1. the straight population is roughly 1:1. meaning no one is hypergamous. at best it can be said men and women look for different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:37 PM
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uh no…im pretty sure this is ascribed by red or black pill people. if bluepill represents general society, (which based on the matrix analogy it should) we think lots of things matter. not just looks and/or personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:34 PM
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id appreciate it if my wife or girlfriend said it and meant it? but not too early on lol…otherwise its a yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:30 PM
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then what explains why the 9’s and 10’s got like double the messages of 5s? all the men sampled were also 9 or 10 lol? and all the women decided they were 5? this makes no sense.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 10:31 PM
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So its delusional to view the info from this data set in a way that doesnt match your world view, but not in any other way? Hm. Yes women get way more messages than men, men send way more messages than women. I dont think this matters in terms of hypergamy. Women still reply to messages. Those unattractive women WERENT getting messaged on okcupid, so i dont see how they could be getting tons of matches. If youre a woman, dont do a lot of messaging and the only guy who messaged you has messaged 1…
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 10:22 PM
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Just be racist against yourself dont include me in it dang.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 10:17 PM
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I dont see how what you have said excludes hypergamy. The men were disproportionately messaging the best looking women, ie theyre sending messages to women above their looks level much more than at their looks level, and probably not at all below. Doesnt this sound like hypergamy? Meanwhile in the same group of people the women replied to a variety of looks level guys.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 10:17 PM
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They are divided by their averaged looks rating. Why does it need to be the senders rating? That wouldnt be in line with how the rest of the data is aggregated. Message volume is important, why would you expect specific message content info in a set like this? Its not first message its message volume. Yeah, men shoot their shot, but according to these data theyre disproportionately shooting for the most attractive women. Women reply to a variety of people in terms of looks, hence the high messag…
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 10:08 PM
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First this is from like 2009. Second if you read the rest of the stuff in that article, the message rate of men to highly attractively rated women was insanely high in terms of volume vs less attractively rated women. Message rate for women for less attractively rated men was very high. Not even a bell curve (i guess this makes sense since the men werent rated on a bell curve in terms of looks). The whole thing actually seems to show that men have an acute sense of attractiveness distribution th…
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 09:08 PM
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you should lead with all the important things, including wealth, just be upfront about all of that. its really your job to figure out who is a good match is after. theres nothing wrong with someone who cares about wealth or status; i think most of us do. just make sure theyre not selecting solely based on that. if theyre a rough match in terms of wealth or status, theres a good chance theres going to be other connections that are there, even if wealth was an important factor in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:07 PM
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None of these are inherently misogynistic. 2 is a gross invasion of privacy. 1 and 3 is not bad advice at a party thats crazy. Some parties are date rape central so it makes sense to protect yourself if youre not familiar with this person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:05 PM
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Youre only 22… some people are late bloomers. Youve passed the average age of losing your virginity. It would be horribly defeatist of you to think that its now over.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 03:13 PM
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Wait why BIPOC? East asian men are all good now? Just be east asian is a thing?
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 03:07 PM
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The iq keeps increasing what are you talking about. Every now and then the baseline for 100 needs to be adjusted because its increasing.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 02:50 PM
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For your purposes, misguided. If you really enjoy living in that country though go for it. Youll need a plan to survive there. Be prepared to make sacrifices to your lifestyle. Theres a reason people want to leave those countries. There are pluses too though, probably very good food for cheap prices, really tasty fruits. Stop presuming women are hypergamous. Its just a conceited world view. Theyre looking for who theyre looking for, just like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:49 PM
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This probably happens all the time. Most people are only available at certain points in their lives. You can easily meet people who you would be great with but werent really both available at the same time. I met my wife while I was in a relationship. We were just acquaintances for a few months with the bare minimum social contact until several months after my relationship ended. If she wasnt single at that time we never would have been more than acquaintances. I think its not worth dwelling ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:54 PM
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Im putting feelings aside. I dont think you are. How is promiscuity encouraged by family court encouraging promiscuity? Just think of it this way, would a rational woman choose to be a single parent on some bum child support over having a traditional family at the outset? Probably not. Thats kind of like saying publicly funded healthcare encourages getting sick. As for promiscuity, im just talking about social norms. Its way more accepted for a man to be promiscuous than a woman. If women need T…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:37 PM
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the redpill is androcentrist. what even is the bluepill? general society? its not gynocentric. this is a case of taking an absurdly fringe idea, putting common sense next to it, then saying theyre both fringe ideas just because theyre radically different. just because female promiscuity is relatively ore accepted, doesnt mean its encouraged. its still way more stigmatizing than male promiscuity. where are you getting the female imperative from? why would a woman sleep around to get genes then tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:22 AM
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There arent any benefits to having kids except having kids. This applies to both men and women. Sometimes they may end up benefiting you financially but they almost never do. There are more drawbacks to having kids as a woman, but there arent really any benefits for either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:40 PM
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i agree that a little embellishment is fine, but if you know youre getting filtered out because of something you have to embellish, and you think you would be successful if only not for that filter, you might as well change arenas. get out of OLD. even if you want to meet people online, do so in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:57 PM
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not if you want a house
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 12:58 PM
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some crazy straw men here… just check that deadbedrooms sub, there are plenty of women posting. most people aren’t complaining about plainly being denied. there’s often an underlying issue, like psych meds, health reasons, SA history, sexuality, etc. the more common reasons are held by women more often. women have more difficult to fix health issues preventing sex, more likely to have SA history, so men are a majority for the complaints, but it’s not overwhelming. most people see sex as importan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:01 AM
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No more 1 child policy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:10 PM
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Never use surveys of future intentions to determine marriage and birth rates. People change their mind about that stuff. What percentage of chinese people are married under 35? Way more than 15% id bet. Also china has a giant imbalance in M:F so you would expect all of this to be on the lower side.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:52 PM
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divorce happens because of incompatibility more than anything. looks don’t play that much of a role. it’s pretty quick to understand, “i made a huge mistake” in the looks department. it’s the other stuff that takes longer to surface. I also don’t get this female brain thing. men don’t have personality types? i’m pretty sure that’s decently important to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 11:28 AM
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many people are pretty smart. I have no idea why the specific mile time would matter, but i think you can sense when someone is on the up and up so there’s really no need to wait for a peak. most women would probably prefer getting married within 5 years, so they’ll probably just use their judgement on whether you’ll make 6 figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:41 AM
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only as a setup, not explicitly to only get laid. my female friends were just generally more involved. they criticized who i did or didnt sleep with or date, or communicated approval. my male friends never cared.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:02 PM
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this is typically what happens, so i think its fine in that typical scenario. the higher income earner often has the more demanding, and/or less flexible job. the lower income earner usually steps up by being more flexible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 04:59 PM
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average ones make that much? i honestly have no idea, but yeah i assume they can easily get there on the high end, but you gotta be really good looking and/or at the top of that profession to get with that girl with those life goals i think. if i just totally underestimated how much average bartenders make maybe i just used a bad example.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:58 PM
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i think its usually the other way around. how much looks can make up for status? not that theres a really narrow range, but if you dont fit a womans socioeconomic aspirations you really have to be very good looking. its unusual for college educated women to be with non college educated men. if some woman has a masters degree and dreams of a posh suburban, upper middle class life and youre a bartender, youd have be amazing looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:00 AM
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id be surprised if this was duplicated. that individual year is so preposterous and such an outlier that it really should be further supported before simply adopted. i dont think other years or sources duplicate anything remotely close. whats happening lol are the other generations ditching their women and gobbling up gen z women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:40 PM
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do monogamous, straight or bi men significantly outnumber monogamous straight bi women? there might be a gap in what men and women consider a relationship, but it would take more info to assume its some poly set up. could simply be a timing issue between 2 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:37 PM
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Are you very young? Plenty of young people are unmarried, unmarried people have periods of being single, so theres a decent chance younger people are single. Older people are less likely to be single. Your logic here also doesnt make sense. Relationships are 1:1. If almost everyone is in a relationship, that means its easy for both men and women? How can it be hard for men but almost all men are in one?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:45 PM
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You could just achieve this by masturbating all the time? I dont think this will work. Theres still a creeping loneliness and longing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:01 PM
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Stop trying to find relationships at work this is the worst idea. Be work friends with your work friends. Dont be like besties.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:23 PM
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Are frat boys not more likely to commit SA? my school was SA central and most of seemed to happen at frat houses. In reality not all frat boys are attractive though.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 06:46 PM
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Never been to marriage counseling, have had complaints about not doing enough stuff. Nothing serious, but common spat. Your assessment of doing more work leading to more distress is entirely off base. Some individuals may disagree about how much work theyre contributing, but it makes 0 sense that contributing more will cause more issues. Thats just detached from reality. Im curious what 70-30 split is in your example and how that worked out? The individual tasks are not equally difficult, equall…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:30 PM
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get better friends. sure, carry stuff, drive them if you go somewhere together (fix stuff? what?), but get random stupid gifts, get food cooked for you, cookies baked for you, get invited to more parties than you have to host…why only look at the bad side of having female friends? it really sounds like this person viewed friendship as a stepping stone to something else, which is deceptive.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 01:17 AM
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political spaces for awful people? it sounds like your bitterness has basically occluded all of your intelligence. i would not dream of speaking to or thinking of the female attending physicians i work with this way lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:08 AM
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oh lol youre both here. congratulations and good luck!
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:52 AM
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“…let me touch them all the time…” you sound kinda young…ready to be getting married?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:38 AM
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is it the western women or the competition? plenty of immigrant women around the west, many well to do and single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:45 PM
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Im considering it now. I dont want that iud to be in there forever. Once i summon the courage to get a surgical procedure ill just get it over with. Never had even minor surgery or tooth extractions so im mainly terrified by the procedure and pain. The threat of an accidental pregnancy is perversely exciting, might miss that a bit, but not much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:08 PM
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Lol no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:36 PM
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I dont get this cyclical self loathing where youre good looking, fit and successful, and now no one can love you for you but only for your qualities? I dont know how but you have to get over that. Having some success IS a part of you. You have to have certain basic qualities to do what you do, so its not worth filling yourself with so much self doubt even if a girl does like you. Maybe look for women who are similarly capable, and if they are not as well off as you, appear to have the potential …
/r/AllPillDebate15/08/23 09:25 PM
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Part of vetting is instantly ruling out; what i was commenting on was the “marry on the spot” requirements you listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:39 PM
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Most women wont marry anyone on the spot? No matter how good the pitch seems, it needs to be vetted before youre gonna throw your retirement funds in there for investments. Pretty sure some level of due diligence is always required before marriage. Even arranged marriages have tons of due diligence from the families. You definitely dont need to be all those things to get someones attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:07 PM
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I will say the dehydrated body builder look is the most insane look to pull off physically. It requires an absurdly low body fat percentage with big muscle mass which just isnt how peoples bodies work naturally. But its not really much of a strict standard. You can be jacked with decent body fat and seen as attractive, skinnier like a boxer or runner and seen as attractive. Women also have lots of genetics in beauty standards, big boobs, nice hips, long legs. Etc. I think both are equally unreal…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:31 PM
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Nothing good. Youd probably come across as needing a lot of validation. Im pretty aloof when i meet people at first as a guy, even if i initiate the conversation. Its really hard for me to fake a lot of energy. I dont really stop being aloof until im actually interested in hearing what someone has to say because they seem interesting, or until the subject of conversation is something i really care about. if some girl told me i was aloof during our first conversation id probably see her as exhaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 04:43 PM
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you kinda listed a bunch of options right there… some people just dont like meeting random guys who they know nothing about. i also dont see whats wrong with being aloof at first. you are a stranger. if she doesnt immediately end the conversation, youre still meeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:12 PM
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i don’t think any woman i’ve been close to had really bad mood swings during their period. Mainly just some extra irritability and pain. i know it’s not that uncommon, but i don’t think it constitutes the majority. its not really unequal if one person is more emotional than the other anyway. 2 different humans will not be the same emotionally, not the same biologically. what if you had chronic lower back pain due to a hernia? wouldn’t you want a little understanding for that? if you meet a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:34 AM
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Got it. Broncos fan.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 02:28 AM
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Oh boy..
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:19 PM
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Thats a nerd fantasy. but i would be surprised if most people who arent black or red pilled actually thought that reflected reality. Are bluepilled people almost everyone who isnt black or red pilled or a tiny subset of people who believe personality is the only thing that matters? Most people think lots of factors matter, and disagree maybe on the rank order of importance. Personally i think personality matters about as much as appearance, and other important things like sexual chemistry, but s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:19 PM
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No bueno unless youre both happy fighting all the time… Are you sure you wouldnt be happier with someone less clingy and you just have some lingering affection for your ex?!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:55 PM
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I dont think bullying is an attractive trait. How is creating this giant conspiracy against some shy kid a big dog move? Its just petty. The revenge is a bit crazy esp considering this was done as a kid, but you never know what will trigger someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:31 PM
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Its really bad if youre not clingy. Its a tough dynamic if one person is insanely clingy and the other is not. It can still work out i guess. If youre really clingy its probably not the worst. Your example is kind of extreme though. Are you sure youre just not over your ex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:25 PM
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Is there a standard bluepill thought process? Is basically everyone who isnt red or black pilled blue pilled? I think there is an insane degree of variability between bluepillers if thats the case. As for the competition my point is we are already competition saturated. A viewpoint change wont change how cutthroat the world already is. We would just be competitive over fewer things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:41 PM
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Most people have very different views on dating. Its the red and black pills which claim to know with absurd specificity what nearly all men and women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:03 PM
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Being yourself doesnt guarantee you a partner. It just speeds up finding the right partner if you end up with one. The world is already competitive. Theres plenty of pressure to compete all the time, not just when it comes to dating. If everyone believed in the red pill theyd all compete in the same tired categories like going to the gym or day trading crypto. In the actual reality we live in, people find a far more diverse set of things to compete in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:18 PM
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Can you share the news? Not only do you know the nature of what women want you also know the nature of how all men feel? Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:13 PM
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What the heck is the blue pill? Is it just common sense? Theres so much room for disagreement amongst this non-pilled group, no one assumes a truth. Its pretty easy to detect a falsehood though. Creating value being born with value, everyone has some out of 10 rating thats totally objective, not subjective at all, women being hypergamous in some way, chad carousel, basically hours worth of nonsensical theories, backed up by a single tinder statistic, and virtually no experience (for most of thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:10 PM
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i dont know about you, but i also wanted not stupid, within 3 years of my age, mentally healthy, not traumatized, in a specific socio economic group, not overly ambitious or lazy compared to me, not desperate, several months removed from last relationship, not wishy washy about dating and labeling relationships, and a few personality traits that i like?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 02:43 AM
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it was easier to maintain friendships with women for me, since they were much more active about doing stuff together. i rarely initiated hanging out with any friends so male friends kind of came and went, since they werent that active in initiating hanging out either. if anything female friends’ families cooked for me and invited me over quite a bit which wasnt reciprocated all the time. i picked them up and drove the ones without cars if we went out together, but overall they probably gave more…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 08:48 PM
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lol still bitter about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:45 PM
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Im actually on board with this one…genetics are important as well as circumstances. And genetics extend beyond height and jawline lol.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 05:09 PM
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How about the living, successful kids hypothesis? Theyre alive so they have a shot at reproducing and theyre successful so can raise their kids well with lots of privileges and get similarly successful great grand kids?
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 05:06 PM
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I think the confidence in this case isnt as narrow as youre portraying. Even if youre not a big leadership kinda guy, you can still be confident in a sense. Id think of confidence in the dating advice sense as non-defeatist. Dont give up before you start, dont give up way too early. Dont think you have no shot. I dont think its that boring or shallow, since its just not a good quality for humans in general. It might be a little shallow if its the only quality someone cares about. Plenty of girls…
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 05:00 PM
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Which one is the defining one for alpha as opposed to the healthy part? The leadership? i dont think hes a leader. I would never think of calling him a beta though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 11:42 PM
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His nickname is beastmode. Youtube it and watch a highlight. Hes amazing. Also loves skittles and has a famous interview where he basically doesnt say anything to reporters. Hes a character but not much of a leader imo. Would that make him a beta lol?!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 11:37 PM
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So if russell wilson is an alpha, since hes the leader, what would that make someone like marshawn lynch? A beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 11:30 PM
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Introverted women exist lol. Probably more prevalent than introverted men. Theyre not all nerdy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:40 PM
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actuaries, nurses and pharmacists (women predominate) dont make money? doctors are close to 50/50. they dont make money?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:26 PM
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there are quite a few. and quite a few more where women are the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:05 PM
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Depends on what you study, but fair point about the d&d groups. My point is different people go for different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:58 PM
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Any time you come up with some really specific things that women want, it really just says youre not meeting enough women, or not meeting the right women. Women get together with people from their d&d group, study groups, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:43 PM
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you could end up being the one traded. read the sub, plenty of women posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:49 PM
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cheating implies dishonesty. if she asked me beforehand, and for whatever reason, i agreed, i don’t think that’s cheating. if she knew i didn’t want her to have sex with anyone else, but did it anyway, that’s really the main problem. i’d personally rather it be for money, but i don’t think either would be forgivable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:26 AM
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incredibly huge turn off. i end up in conversations about it and blood type based personality crap, but most people kind of just read about it without acting. I think people who act on it are pretty scary. i get this volatile feeling from them. I have such a low tolerance for this prejudgement stuff even people who are way too into their myers briggs or similar thing scare me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:19 AM
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i was thinking more like physical loss of libido due to age related health issues, not loveless marriages. i do love reading that sub though and seeing peoples reactions. i would be way more tolerant of a dead bedroom at a younger age than a lot of those people. if your spouse develops some health issue at like 42 and loses all sex drive, i think you should probably just call it on your sex life. had some kids, wild times, move on, rather than jeopardize the life you built together.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:27 AM
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You realize people age? Im not that old yet, but i lurk to mull over my future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:08 AM
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Lol im actually on that sub all the time. Its the natural end to most relationships. Someone will lose their libido first.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:03 AM
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until recently its not been much of a choice, since the country is not nearly as accommodating to various skillsets as cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:33 PM
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I have no stats to back this up, but i think women probably propose more often than men. The men proposing is only ceremonial. The discussion of marriage starts from the woman usually. Most women dont just sit and wait quietly for the men to propose in a cohabiting, long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:32 PM
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Yes but theyre not the largest population groups. Everyone in the middle are the largest numerically. They have fewer or no kids as the cost of living goes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:19 PM
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Im 5’7, foreign, and still a normie with more or less the life you described except the 2nd paragraph. Any normie that settles down with the 4th woman must have a good idea of what hes looking for and who would be looking for him. Picking randos doesnt give you that rate of success. Its not simply confidence.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 09:01 PM
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All of sedentary, agrarian, written history, maybe. Thats only a tiny amount of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:32 PM
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Wealth gap between richest and median not men and women. Middle class people are finding it harder and harder to get financial security at earlier ages. This and/or insane costs of living are probably what drives birthrates down. Feminism is negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:53 PM
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The regret is not because of feminism lol. Girl bosses are that way because thats what they want. Women regretting not having children are much more likely to just not have felt enough financial stability in their younger years because the wealth gap is so insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:19 PM
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No…what? Very good is not lottery winning. Being very good at something, like say, getting into med school, being a non d1 college athlete, or something like that isnt a lottery winning amount of talent. Its just very good. Thats just a skill anyway. Plenty of other attractive qualities aside from looks and skill, if you arent great at anything. I just brought up skills cuz its easy to explain. My general point is looks are far from the only attractive quality about people. People find a high va…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:13 PM
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If youre the best youll be swimming in it. Just be very good.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:59 PM
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debatable, but my point is there are plenty of things that are attractive beyond looks. 2 major ones are skills and intelligence. its kind of weird to think that given how complex humans are, we would still only sexually select based on ht and facial features. wouldnt make a lick of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:58 PM
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you gotta be good though lol. the attractive part is skill. good buskers probably also play regular gigs. i bet most of them are doing fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:55 PM
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why would gate keeping commitment be relevant to guys who cant find dates? this is specifically referencing guys where commitment is a possibility. but its definitely not 10% of men like the op is suggesting. 90% of men would marry basically anyone who would go out on a few dates with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:52 PM
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Go to a smaller concert with a musician whos physically meh.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:55 PM
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Men are often the gatekeepers of one specific level of commitment; marriage. Beyond the whole element of tradition, women tend to want to get married sooner than men, especially if they want kids, which often creates this dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:29 PM
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Go to a concert
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:27 PM
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Based on what? Ugly or average people who are good at certain sports, good at playing music or acting, even chess or competitive video games (theres this LoL pro who has a wife way out of his league who screams her brains out at his matches), are all probably doing fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:34 PM
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Af/bb is just a projection of your own hopelessness. Not that its not true, its just not prevalent. You think that even if you get someone, they couldnt possibly love you, and no one can possibly love anyone like you. Im a married dude, not an alpha, with a wife who loves me. I know plenty of other married couples who are also parents. Theyre not all alphas or whatever, and they seem pretty loving to me. Youre not relegated to some gold digger if youre average looking. Looks are not nearly as im…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:20 PM
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how are they not? you just plucked them out of thin air. why height is or isnt on this list has no justification. you only talk about how height is independent from the other fundamentals, not why its more or less fundamental than say, looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:26 PM
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im trying to say your point of view on height can easily be flipped to any of what you consider “lovable” qualities, such as looks. in the end, youre left with “if any thing is a deal breaker, you cant truly love your partner.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:24 PM
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i guess if you define love in a very specific way. but even then, theres nothing special about height compared to your arbitrarily chosen fundamental priorities. ugliness doesn’t effect goals, doesn’t make you tall or short, doesn’t make you a moral or immoral person. if good looks is a dealbreaker you can’t love your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:26 AM
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i would hate being asked out by random people. id much rather ask people out and get rejected than do rejecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:10 AM
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People are a holes? Difficult to get along with? Im not that easy to get along with either. I just dont see how you go from that to the red pill, women hypergamy, must be virgins or whatever. you really just need to find a mentally and emotionally stable person which is very hard.
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 10:03 PM
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Didnt mention it but 3. I didnt have sex with many people. But i had a lot of it? After 21 or so i didnt spend a lot of time single, or without an exclusive fwb. Edit im not “pilled.” Dont really know what bluepilled entails but im definitely not black or red. I think all of that is pretty delusional. Its also not like i wasnt trying. I got rejected a lot.
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 08:06 PM
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You dont need to convey romantic interest. Just convey interest. Avoid conveying your feelings about directionality too early. This advice isnt universal, since its probably not awkward if youre both open and clear about wanting a romantic relationship (there is a specific type of blind dating in china where both people are open about wanting to get married eventually), but in the absence of that knowledge, you dont need to express your personal feelings on what you project the relationship migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:25 PM
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Its a bit of a charade, and hard to explain. But i think you can still be direct if you just think about it in a specific way. You definitely dont need an excuse to talk to someone. Its nice to have something to talk about, like an event or something, but you dont need to make something up. You talked to this person because you wanted to. No need to hide that. I think you SHOULD hide your intentions down the line, if youre thinking that far ahead. Dont ask someone to meet up somewhere later righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:53 PM
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Didnt have any romantic encounters in high school. Had lots of friends though and stayed in touch while in college. They introduced me to lots of girls. Definitely not a chad, but probably pretty appealing to a certain demo, especially at a surface level. Im not always easy to get along with though. Had a relationship with one person i met online in some quasi dating/hobby meetup thing. Ended up meeting a wife through my friends. Im pretty sure i was not naive. Didnt start meeting anyone until i…
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 03:31 PM
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If we are speaking in general, dont go looking for general in places where the population ISNT general. Just because its general, doesnt mean every environment will reflect it. Women who arent interested in commitment may congregate in specific places and make up the overwhelming majority in that place, even if your assessment of what women generally want is true. Whats the average marrying age for women? Its getting older but still not particularly old. Like 27? Considering an established relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:14 PM
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A. even if you’re right about the general population, most doesn’t equal all. this means you can have pocket environments where the characteristics of the general population aren’t reflected. ie tinder. B. i want a hot, famous, accomplished musician to be with me exclusively. id be happy with other people though. it’s not meaningful to list pipe dreams. plenty of women get married, at young ages, to people who aren’t at least many of those qualities. C. do you think women have a constant want fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:50 AM
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i always paid for everything during dates, that’s just a gesture, its not much money. by the time they move in they better be contributing. men should be natural providers? but so are women. either money, or something else that’s very financially valuable, like childcare. ive never wanted a freeloader. most fathers leave their families?! can we get a citation there? also by “leaving” if you mean divorcing when the kids are already in like high school, but still being a part of the kids lives and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:29 AM
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why are you assuming you know what ALL women want? think of it this way different women want very different things at different times. where are you going to find women who want what you’re saying? maybe not tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:16 AM
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the issue of rape is just a question for people who dont support abortion rights. people who actually support it do not care about cause. the only debate there is timeframe. “what about rape” isn’t an argument for abortion rights in anything but the narrowest of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:08 AM
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it removed a federal, court ordered protection against abortion. states are flocking to vote on the issue. see ohio. federal legislation can address the issue and either ban abortion everywhere or protect it everywhere if passed. even if this financial abortion custody thing becomes a major issue for women (like i said, it won’t, women don’t care about this niche scenario compared to…you know…being forced to go through a 9 month pregnancy and then childbirth when they don’t want to, that’s way m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:05 AM
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this is only a point of contention for people who don’t support abortion rights to begin with. it’s not really a common argument for abortion rights in general. “my body my choice” basically sums up the pro abortion argument. it’s a bodily autonomy issue. it doesn’t matter how the fetus was conceived, it has no right to force a woman to undergo a potential ordeal, commonly filled with health complications, causing permanent changes to her body as well. that’s really the core argument for anyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:51 AM
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lol no..no. even if this will be an issue, it won’t, the solution will be abortion rights. not whatever convoluted financial abortion you have in mind. how strong is the “financial abortion” lobby again? it’s not exactly a widely supported issue even among men right now. there’s basically no way this will be an issue for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:38 AM
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is this actually true? you can file civil suit for rape, so if you did that, couldn’t you sue for your child support back lol? anyway, i agree, this is messed up. still has nothing to do with abortion rights. changes to abortion rights aren’t related to your issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:35 AM
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what are you talking about? you just described a case where child support had to be paid because one party wanted custody. you have no chance at “financial abortions.” you cant unilaterally give up a child thats been born. the issue is about whether its ok to force a woman to undergo pregnancy for the sake of the fetus against the womans will. it has nothing to do with financial abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:33 AM
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You lost me at “nature of women” and “hypergamy dictates.” Its easy to lecture if you can just presuppose any random facts you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:39 PM
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Youre overestimating how difficult it is for that seed to be there. You dont need to be a romance novel protagonist. I thought charlize theron was the most beautiful woman i had ever seen when i was 19. Ive never dated a girl i didnt find sexually attractive but still didnt date anyone that looked remotely like her, not even same hair color.
/r/AllPillDebate09/08/23 01:36 PM
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youre just moving the bar to some convenient place for you such that’s it’s just beyond reach. I don’t know why you do this. Its NOT attraction that drives a woman to have her only kids with these avg height or short guys? its not attraction if they have a healthy sex life and it basically doesn’t take much to turn her on? it’s not attraction if lets say she’s been with 3-4 guys before them, but they have had sex with her 50x more than all of them combined? it’s ONLY attraction if she basically …
/r/AllPillDebate09/08/23 10:58 AM
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Is porn a good representation of what sex is like? Hey youre the one who pulled the citation. But you want to ignore its primary point in the survey of actual people, but harp on this goofy point about romance novel protagonists? Anyway 95% is clearly absurd. Just walk around. Plenty of avg height or below avg height guys out there with wives kids girlfriends. If it was actually 95%, like 80% of women would be single.
/r/AllPillDebate09/08/23 02:18 AM
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Only 76% stated they felt better with a man taller than them…thats way more forgiving than even i assumed lol. Im short for a guy but easily taller than 50-60% of women. romance novel is not reality its fantasy. You dont need to be some womans wet dream to get laid.
/r/AllPillDebate09/08/23 01:56 AM
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Most women? As in like 60% of women? That should easily be workable. 40% of women is plenty. Lots of your traits are to some extent inflexible. Many of them will rule out large groups of women, but you can easily be left with plenty of willing suitors. Theres really no need to be that hung up on 1 singular feature.
/r/AllPillDebate09/08/23 01:40 AM
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Its a weird thing to harp on. Even if men are more attractive at 30, its no reason to waste your 20s stewing if you want to find someone. I got the feeling students always preferred other students when i was 20…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:37 AM
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No one is owed sex, or love, but some baseline respect is just part of being a decent person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:03 PM
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I mean online dating was big in my 20s too. Im not that old. Get away from online dating if you dont want to be judged as quickly on looks. My point isnt the looks; its thinking you know your future so well. Thats not changing over time.
/r/AllPillDebate08/08/23 10:05 PM
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If people are monogamous, and theres a roughly equal number of men and women, everyone settles in some regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:39 PM
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This is some exceptionally braindead advice. Use your eyeballs, use your social skills. Why do you have to employ this idiotic method? Not only are you not being genuine, youre likely to scare off the exact type of person youre looking for. If by some miracle you end up marrying someone, youre going to reminisce about how you tried to deceive her on your first date? Edit: if youre into commitment oriented people, be into commitment yourself. Label your relationship quickly, meet each others frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:02 PM
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Eat some soondae or soondae chigae Edit woops i meant soondae gookbap.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:35 PM
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Its the frequency. When i was in my early 20s some women in their mid-late thirties randomly grabbed my ass at a club, didnt interact with me and just laughed about it amongst themselves. I wasnt particularly bothered since this is the only time something like this happened to me, but it wasnt pleasant or a confidence boost. I thought it was funny but also rude. If this happened to me all the time id be pissed about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:23 PM
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Its not supposed to be easy…
/r/AllPillDebate08/08/23 02:03 PM
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I dunno your friend, but i run, and know some runners who are skinny but very fit. They dont struggle.
/r/AllPillDebate08/08/23 01:54 PM
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How is that guy a 4 and your friend a 4??? If your friend is a 4 that guy is a 2 lol. But we are really off topic, my point is there is 0 objectivity in out of 10 ratings. That girl probably agrees with me more than you.
/r/AllPillDebate08/08/23 01:49 PM
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Your arguments come from really specific standards…which is my point this x/10 is entirely subjective. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/15ixdy1/would_this_on_the_surface_be_an_example_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1 That guy is a 6 and your friend is a 4? In what world?
/r/AllPillDebate08/08/23 01:43 PM
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This just goes to show these out of 10 ratings are hilariously stupid. This guy is a 4/10? What? Hes at least a 6-7. this 24 y/o overweight fat, white, kinda neckbeardy looking guy was supposedly a 6/10 on a similar sub. But this probably in ok shape, nice to look at asian dude is a 4?????
/r/AllPillDebate08/08/23 01:34 PM
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You do you, but for something long term, which it sounds like it is, I dont think too much desperation is healthy. I think the two of you were nice people and it ended well, but that coulda gone worse. I dont live in asia, but i have family there and visit. Urban asian men typically have a significance for urban women. I never asked why but my guess is that desperation is scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:04 PM
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Anything that begins with “women want…” and “females do…” “women are…”, basically anything about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:50 PM
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i get that, but the girl isnt living in that urban area without you…cant you pick a city girl lol? why pick someone whos situation is that desperate?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:40 AM
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no, you’re not an a hole for breaking it off early. but what are you doing man…why are you dating girls who live in shacks? cant you passport bro in an urban environment at least?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:37 AM
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maybe on balance? but considering it’s a widely prevalent, non-pathological trait, and has been prevalent throughout written history, how are you drawing this conclusion? if there is some biological pressure against it, it’s not really strong given how many people are still introverted. its way weaker imo than a statement like “stupidity is viewed negatively biologically.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:40 AM
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theres some serious strawmanning here. when have you heard people say not to choose the right woman? choose the right woman; know who the right woman is for you. just dont be told who this woman is based on the stupid red pill standards, which in the grand scheme of things dont matter. do you want a family? what lifestyle do you want to live? what area? do you want a homemaker as a partner or someone more independent? how do you imagine this woman expresses affection towards you? how distant/att…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:39 AM
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I definitely didnt know jack even at 18. Didnt think i would make much money, thought id be more of a dream chaser than practical. Thought it would take a miracle to find a girlfriend. By 21 it was like 180.
/r/AllPillDebate07/08/23 07:50 PM
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Yeah but he did not appear nba bound at 14, let alone one of the best players in history. Wasnt even varsity freshman year. no one knew what he was at 14. Maybe individual personality traits are bad indicators. But its not common sense that they are, and if you picked some 14 year olds to predict their peers futures, i bet they wouldnt be much better than wild guesses.
/r/AllPillDebate07/08/23 07:42 PM
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you cant tell if a 14 yr old is going to make it to the nba. michael jordan was a nobody at 14, and prospects that look amazing at 14 fizzle out. you cant tell much about someones potential at 14. it doesnt matter if kids can tell if other kids are attractive, can they predict the future and tell who will be attractive as an adult and who will end up as a heroin addict? nah.
/r/AllPillDebate07/08/23 05:28 PM
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If you had real critical thinking skills, and any sense of what is knowable, you would see how ridiculous thinking of yourself as an incel at 14 or even 19 is. Giving up at 14 is both hilarious and sad.
/r/AllPillDebate07/08/23 04:18 PM
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You cant judge someones intelligence by their dumbest statement. Brilliant people say dumb things sometimes. Ignorance isnt necessarily a sign of stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:07 PM
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iunno if it’s really that hard to get…it prevents arguments and negative feelings, which can kill sex. sex itself helps squash negative feelings so it becomes a positive feedback loop. it’s not like you need the woman watching you cook to get turned on. that would be a weird kink.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:27 PM
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i don’t think your examples show simping, if they are in fact “pick me” it would be closer to a “nice guy,” in that the implication is that there is deception going on, and the girl isn’t being entirely truthful. i’m not familiar with anyone you are referencing, but if that tweet is out of character as you say, that’s kind of the definition of “pick me.” She’s exaggerating her views to appeal to a certain group. you say it’s tongue in cheek but without a deep, deep knowledge of this persons view…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:22 PM
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i feel like most people get in worse shape for the first year or 2 in a relationship.
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 11:19 PM
1

Thats my point. Drop the misogyny and youll see how much sympathy you get. Try purplepilldebate or dating or something. Ive seen posts like that in ppd, even if the misogyny is mild theres some sympathy.
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 06:50 PM
1

These studies are often limited, but the delusion here is thinking this study shows women have higher standards. It shows the opposite if anything. In reality, women have higher standards for certain things and men have higher standards for others.
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 06:16 PM
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i don’t think the initial message matters. isn’t it a tally of messages using okcupid? i doubt they immediately get personal contact after 1 message. even if it was only tracking the initial message, men clearly do not have an even distribution of messages, which suggests their standards are too high, and they’re the ones who are celibate by choice (if they’re celibate). that’s taking your study at face value. there are numerous issues trying to break down relationships based on only 1 criteria.
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 12:46 PM
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lol nothing there indicates women have higher standards. they have a skewed view of what an average amount of physical attractiveness is, but THEY STILL MESSAGE the less than average guys. the men message the most physically attractive women at an insanely high rate compared to the average rated women. if anything this shows men have unrealistic standards lol.
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 11:39 AM
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i’m just speaking generally, not specifically about what you have or haven’t said. showing that you have no empathy just isn’t going to get you any either. women probably also don’t like the fact that you don’t think of them as people. where are you getting this 50/80 thing? tinder? that’s actually not an unrealistic number on tinder. there are more men than women on tinder. why wouldn’t their standards be higher?
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 11:24 AM
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how many women do you think go out there trying to put some unambitious 9-5er on child support from the get go?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 11:14 AM
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there are plenty of incel men who get sympathy. stop pretending to know what all women want. stop insinuating that youre too nice and women dont like that (this does imply that you feel you deserve sex for being nice). stop with the paranoid persecution complex saying all women laugh at or hate you. Essentially, make a male version of a post like this, say you’re a 30 yr old virgin in a sympathetic sub (not this one) and you’ll get plenty of sympathy. vent about how hard it is to find someone, h…
/r/AllPillDebate06/08/23 11:07 AM
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definitely was a consideration when deciding career trajectory. made me more risk averse, and i felt some pressure to start making more money sooner. i ended up never needing that realized money like i thought i did, and the trajectory alone was good enough, but i do remember feeling the pressure. i imagine women have a wide variety of needs in this department, so its not like i picked some median or mean income requirement and worked towards though. i more based it off what i perceived to be my…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:16 AM
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Youre discounting romantic feelings and feelings of attachment, so whats left? Unconditional love thats free from a “this isnt what i signed up for” realization? How long do you think it takes for something like that to develop? A woman can leave a man if he suddenly feels unmotivated to work, gets fired and doesnt find a new job because of depression or whatever. What if a woman develops a heroin addiction while with you? You wouldnt come to a similar conclusion that maybe its best to leave des…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:41 AM
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Your definition of love is way too restrictive. You just up and unconditionally love your girlfriend of 1 yr?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:18 AM
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i cant imagine how you are seeing this unless your definition of “love” is insanely narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:11 AM
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did you get broken up with once or something? i promise women can love. ive been in relationships where i clearly had the stronger feelings, and in relationships where she did. iunno what you mean by provide, but relationships are almost never unconditional. wait like 10-15 years for that. its not fair to expect that from either the man or woman. just because love isnt unconditional, the personal attachments are real. even if the conditions are broken, lots of feelings will be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:09 AM
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ask them out right away most of the time. dont waste time if thats what you want. there are some exceptions to this. like if you suddenly see this woman a lot incidentally, due to mutual friends, or some hobby, you can take your time. in this case, you are seeing them anyway and not wasting any time. just dont be wishy washy. dont invite people you want to date to do stuff as friends. thats wasting time and somewhat dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 01:57 AM
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not a woman but when men are younger, it doesnt matter nearly as much how much they currently make.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 10:05 PM
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Not answering the question but i just want to contextualize this. These are maybe some of these are starting salaries for working class jobs. For instance, if you gained some skills as a medical tech, you could move on to more specialized technical jobs and make 50-60k. A little ambition and time can get you much further than the salaries listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:16 PM
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lol makes me kinda happy that this is the result honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:22 PM
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Zero sum to describe this fails on a fundamental since one of the major outcomes is sex and babies, which is added value. Why is it a war…this seems like a totally inappropriate analogy from the start. If anything a marital spat would be a way better analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:07 PM
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You know people leave relationships for reasons other than a mismatch of an out of 10 rating you decided to assign right?
/r/AllPillDebate05/08/23 01:53 PM
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i hate video calls, but if a coffee date replaces some of that, how is that a lower standard? a coffee date involves more effort and planning than video calls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 12:56 PM
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it should benefit both the man and the woman. beyond the cultural importance of marriage, which is weaker and weaker now, the financial importance is a safety net. your assets are shared, meaning each individual doesnt always have to be thinking about individual income, and can financially help in other ways. keeping 2 kids out of daycare for an extra year can easily save as much after tax money as the bread winner brings in. this money savings isnt realized for the individual providing childcar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 12:47 PM
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most people dont live a groundhog day life. even if you think they do, if you got to know them more, youd probably see theyre always trying new things in some fashion. even if they eat the same food.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 12:26 PM
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what are you smoking? tons of 5’7 tech guys. by dad bod i mean not muscular, not skinny, not exceptionally fat, with a bit of a belly. im talking about people who are in the top 50% of guys in terms of looks, not top 20.
/r/AllPillDebate05/08/23 03:37 AM
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a coffee date is just part of that process. id much rather do that than spend a lot of time trying to get to know someone over texts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:32 AM
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I only agree if you had some solid meaningful interaction before hand. If you only had a short conversation or met online coffee date is almost necessary. Do you want to be stuck having dinner with someone who you suddenly realize is nowhere near what you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:07 AM
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What im saying is theyre bragging about these 5’7 guys at a whiteboard doing whatever these tech project planners do, these dad bod guys with their 2 yr old in a pool or something. Some of them are good looking, but most are just average looking.
/r/AllPillDebate05/08/23 01:24 AM
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Gotta say; this place is really not a representation of normal men.
/r/AllPillDebate05/08/23 12:17 AM
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Nah. Plenty of women brag about smart and successful boyfriends. Probably more than someone who is just physically attractive. Moving further into the relationship though, most of the bragging is centered around fatherhood.
/r/AllPillDebate05/08/23 12:16 AM
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Well not so much this since youd probably want to bag a rich one and they will have other girls into them probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:53 PM
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Lol sure, asian countries have a lower gdp per capita…but there are also way more asians in general. Many of them are filthy rich. Crazy rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:45 PM
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Its fairly clear that a woman can “have it all,” many do. Someone has to sacrifice for kids. They dont have to give up their career, but someone has to take the sick days, do the pickups and dropoffs. It can theoretically be 50/50 but its usually not. It doesnt have to be the woman though, and a woman can be a great mom despite being less involved than the dad. Kids are often going to strain a marriage, i dont think it matters whether theres a career there. Doing stay at home parenting has its o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:26 PM
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This just sounds like garden variety nihilism. This dude was probably having a grand old time at one point in his life. The end isnt going well, but thats better neither the end nor the middle going well. There are disease modifying drugs for alzheimers now, if that makes you feel better.
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 10:00 PM
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Its not a buzzword…yeah selfawareness means what you say in the context of studying animal behavior, or infant development. No one thinks thats what it means when talking about normal, functional adults or young adults. Its not like its language only used in the dating world. People talk about lack of self awareness at work too.
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 05:04 PM
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why does a statement like that instantly trigger a persecution complex for you? self awareness can mean different things to different people, but i would interpret it to mean understanding your own needs and wants, and it also implies being upfront about it. its not that men arent self aware, plenty of people arent self aware. i wouldnt want a wishy washy woman either.
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 04:04 PM
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Marriage should be ( and often is) a good financial deal for both people, not just the woman. A. A second income helps tremendously when buying property, even if its less than yours. You dont NEED to be married, but youve already adopted most of the drawbacks if you co-own a house so you might as well be. B. Even if a woman gets the apparently better financial deal at divorce, its not necessarily accounting for the entire time of the union. If they made career sacrifices to take care of 3 kids, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 01:48 PM
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And i agree it should be more equal. However on a personal level my preference is not to make those sacrifices. I think i would if it made sense, just not my preference. I dont think its that hypocritical to think society should be more 50/50, but have a personal preference only for one of those 50s.
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 01:36 PM
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i’m not talking about independence or gold digging, i’m assuming it’s a 2 income household, but in a garden variety relationship, these are things that 1 of the 2 people may have to sacrifice. sending 2 or 3 kids to daycare can easily be more expensive than the aftertax take home of 1 income. 1 person may get a huge raise by moving, and it makes financial sense for the other to tag along and worry about finding a job later. it just so happens that women tend to make these necessary sacrifices mo…
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 12:13 PM
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maybe not early in the dating part, but women are more likely to leave their jobs if the man needs to move for a job, more likely to take time off from work for kids, etc. preferential treatment based on gender isn’t uncommon for a man either. most of it just comes up a little later.
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 11:51 AM
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if you are a whacko who ever thought all women were princesses, then yeah, you’re in for nothing but disappointment. but i’d be willing to bet plenty of women (not just unicorns) are smarter than you, less hedonistic than you, and less self important than you. maybe many are also dumber, more hedonistic and more self important. your expectation was f’ed from the start. relationships with another person aren’t going to be easy or sunshine and rainbows.
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 11:42 AM
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im more likely to like someone who will treat me preferentially. its not a world view we are talking about here, or an opinion on society, its a personal relationship.
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 02:05 AM
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i dont know that the idea of benevolent sexism being associated with malevolent sexism is established, but lets suppose its true. i dont think this means anything about feminists and gaslighting. people can be a little dumb sometimes and not put 2 and 2 together. they get roped by the benevolence and miss the sexism. not everyone is 200iq and woke, including feminists. i dont think this should surprise anyone though. i struggle to understand how anyone who has any semblance of interactions with …
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 01:52 AM
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she was in the normal mental space for sex. i dont think an involuntary physical reaction is the best judge of mental space. it wasnt exactly changing over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 01:17 AM
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i mean, y tho? even if i was an incel id rather not under go regular penile injections just to get rid of the penis feels…id rather just find a prostitute. also numbing agents dont change your drive so could easily lead to more distress.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:37 AM
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maybe, but its subclinical, she wasnt getting any ativan for something like that. whatever the cause, the result was a little pain. i just dont think its unheard of to feel pain during sex for a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:01 AM
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i doubt it was a diagnosable issue since it went away with a minute of penetration, and doesnt recur if we have sex regularly. shes just sensitive. im sure other people are similarly on the sensitive side.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:56 PM
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no what i mean is a medical reason thats not related, but prevented us from having sex. the pain is from the sex. its not related to the cervix either, she felt pain with any sort of penetration, including ob exams. no health issues noted from the ob exam, just got really tight. wasnt hard to get over, but was painful for a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:17 PM
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iunno about this, sex can easily be painful under the wrong conditions. when i was with a virgin we tried to have sex like 3 times before it was tolerable. my wife feels pain if we havent had sex in a long time for some medical reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:08 PM
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So 2 things: youre probably not going to spend tons of time with your mouth where the semen goes. Thats not really the best way to do it if youre shooting for an orgasm. Not a lot to worry about there. How is touching someone elses residual semen with your penis better?!
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 10:07 PM
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I have no idea how reliable androgen exposure is as a surrogate for promiscuity, but supposing it is, even the article itself indicated that precursors from 3m years ago, prior to the studied group, were more monogamous. So its not like human and human ancestors were always promiscuous or monogamous. It varied. Its also relative to other humans. Androgen exposure could not be used as an absolute indicator of promiscuity. More promiscuous doesnt mean predominantly polygamous. It could just mean l…
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 06:34 PM
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neanderthals arent modern humans. not the same species but existed at the same time. why would neanderthal mating practices be relevant if you could just look at humans from the same period instead, since we are human and not neanderthal? id be interested in where you get that there was no monogamy there though. monogamy doesnt have to mean pairing for life. like i said though, just because polygamy is acceptable and practiced doesnt make it prevalent. a society can still be primarily monogamous…
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 05:24 PM
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Wtf is your idea of genetically unfit? How the hell is acquiring resources not at least one of the primary determinants of genetic fitness in some evo psych sense? Even the people who practiced polygamy were being judged mainly on resources. Also, just because polygamy is practiced or permissible in a society doesnt mean it was prevalent.
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 05:04 PM
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Phd programs often have just a few people. High chance 0 of the men are single. Based on the comments it sounds like the general area possibly including the institution is predominantly white.
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 04:51 PM
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Why are women working more? If it was accidental it suggests these women would have had children if they didnt feel the need to be so present in the careers. If its accidental, i would guess its a money issue, not a culture issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:14 PM
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I dont get this train of thought. Theyre 2 separate things… even if she has sex with you early, if she also starts calling you her boyfriend early, introducing you to her friends early, maybe even telling you conversations shes had with her family about you early, the whole combination doesnt scream promiscuous. Just fast. Someone whos wishy washy, doesnt want to label anything and also has sex early is more suggestive of someone promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:35 PM
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I get that its awkward before meeting but sometime early this should be laid out. Esp that premarital sex thing. Thats probably a dealbreaker for some people and good to get out of the way. I personally wouldnt even marry before cohabitation. Better to learn these things earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:23 PM
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Im sure it wasnt a paradise but property price to single income ratio was obviously better then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:36 PM
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No? Out grandpas worked less for more. Property is way less affordable now than in the past. Since living expenses in general are probably the biggest or 2nd biggest expense for most people, and rent is way more of a financial drain than ownership, their cost of living would have been significantly lower simply by virtue of a greater opportunity to own property.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:54 PM
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Its not a problem. I just think this study is goofy. If you added some questions that actually involved some mechanical acts, those would be way more associated with orgasms than physical features. The conclusion that orgasms are some evo psych thing doesnt make a whole lot of sense in that regard.
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 01:51 PM
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i dont get this logic. sticking your mouth in is cuck, but sticking your dick in is not?
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 12:31 PM
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uh i’m pretty sure she’d be happy dating within her own race. in the comments the focus in on the fact that there are mostly white men where she is and she’s interested in moving elsewhere to a place with less white people lol. just because she doesn’t want the arranged marriages doesn’t mean she only wants white guys lol. i’m just wondering though, who you think her “male equivalent” is? she says she’s average looking, with a good personality etc…and she’s a phd student. her male equivalent isn…
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 03:59 AM
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dunno, i think it’s generally ok to have high standards as a man. just don’t have gross standards, like <20 y/o when you’re like 28 or 30. pretty sure men don’t get reamed for having standards like independent (not a gold digger), smart, capable, educated, some specific religion, caring etc. i don’t even think standards like slim, or fit or physical appearance related stuff is frowned upon.
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 03:51 AM
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birth rate is way more associated with cost of living than dating culture. birth rates in urban chinese areas are low too, but their dating culture is very different from the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:42 AM
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other than toys, the men that make women orgasm more are the ones who go down. its just mechanically more likely. is that associated with toxic masculinity or no?
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 12:09 AM
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generally a bad idea to marry your high school sweetheart imo. find someone after youre an adult and have more direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 11:46 PM
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the only way to be confident in commitment is your own social skill. are you able to recognize if the man is interested in or ready for that? are you able to communicate thats what you want and let the people who dont want that drop you? i dont think some arbitrary time for sex is important. im sure there will be understanding about virginity, (tbh probably less about trauma unfortunately) as long as you communicate both your interest in sex and commitment. men interested in commitment and somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 11:43 PM
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if i was dating a different girl every week i wouldnt be ltr material lol. i wasnt single for more than a few months though. my anecdotal experience may not be representative of everyone, but neither is yours. are you not also getting many of these general truths from anecdotal experience? your conclusions are far too specific to be from studies. like i said, even the ones with opportunity to do so wont stick it anywhere, like nba players. they still find a wife and get involved with their limit…
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 10:27 PM
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Yes im sure some soft polygamy is going on, but this goes against your entire premise of something being generally true. Its rarely true. Im only some of those criteria? Im 5’7, not especially good looking, not white, and didnt have problems after passing like 21? I was making negative income when i met my wife, but she probably saw some semblance of stability in my future. Like i said, if youre ltr material, open to kids at a young age, you have a lot of options. Similar to how women on tinder …
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 10:00 PM
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Men follow the dual mating strategy MORE than women. How else do you explain why more men are looking for casual sex? More women are interested in commitment sooner. If you are a man 23-30 (even moreso if on the younger end) independent, ready for commitment, and ok with kids, you’ll being in a really advantageous pool. I dont buy the soft polygamy thing and honestly have no idea how you would conclude something like that. Far from generally true.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 09:17 PM
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Marriage is a financial partnership. If you want a financial partner, marriage is the best way to do that. How are you going to convince a woman to move with you, have kids with you and stop working, even for just a few years, if you dont give her the financial stability to make those sacrifices? Of course the woman has to be pretty special; not just your feelings for her, but her aptitude for the type of financial relationship. I dont think anyone would advocate for doing this with just anyone.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:09 PM
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How are men having more trouble in relationships than women? How exactly does this work without polygamy and a strong imbalance in pure numbers? Youre right, it is generally true that women can get casual sex easier than men. I just pointed out the reason to illustrate that only makes sense because of the imbalance in numbers. This isnt true for relationships so cannot be extended to that. I would argue its generally harder for women 23-30 to find relationships they want than it is for men. A go…
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 08:55 PM
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Most of what you just said isnt even generally true. Most men are not less attractive than most women. Maybe if you only use hookup scenarios, this could be true? But its obviously not in general. Hookup scenarios represent more men than women. Women can get sex easier than men because more men want sex with random women than vice versa. There are always more guys at clubs trying to bring a girl home than vice versa. More guys are trying to find casual hookups online than vice versa. Most people…
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 08:22 PM
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hip hop culture is the world? why is a subculture representative of everything? its also not a monolith. im a man not a woman. had lots of female friends when i was younger. all had more ltrs than casual partners. even ones who did have casual partners had fwb arrangements. none of them were into having sex with as many people as possible. stupidity is prevalent because humans are often stupid? marriage is prevalent because humans are often monogamous?
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 12:53 AM
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you cited your own reddit comment? lol? anyway, its obviously not a competition we are all engaged in. why the hell is marriage so prevalent across cultures and history? why is infidelity frowned upon?
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 12:29 AM
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sure, in some arbitrary competition, where you tell people what they should be doing, you win by banging as many people as possible. theres clearly a reason why its easier for women: fewer women actually view this as a goal, leading to a large imbalance.
/r/AllPillDebate31/07/23 11:17 PM
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nah, i’m a older person who is married, and knows married people. a few of them split up because of cheating. you think any 2 people are equally likely to cheat? you don’t think it takes some specific personality traits to deceive the person you live with for months or years?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 03:49 AM
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Most “better” men arent out there looking for married mothers to pluck. Not sure what world youre living in.
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/23 11:24 PM
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The capacity to be monogamous is a part of a persons personality. So if you only look for looks, you could easily end up with someone who has the capacity to carry on multiple affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 11:22 PM
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I think youre underestimating how shes supposed to find someone while taking care of a child. Can you explain what your expecting might happen as a single mom with full custody?
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/23 10:57 PM
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I guess that makes sense, but its her personality thats going to make sure she only has sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:53 PM
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then how is she doing the hypergamy thing?
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/23 07:07 PM
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but y tho? to go after some chad while maintaining sole custody? you know if he gets custody, she pays child support?
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/23 06:53 PM
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HES THE FATHER OF THEIR CHILD? Thats one big reason.
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/23 06:35 PM
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n count isnt that related to enjoying sex. thats more about being adventurous and/or fickle. you can have an n count of 1 and have sex 3 times a day. i think youre also mixing opinions from 2 different groups of people. women who have casual sex wont like commitment (at that point anyway) and are probably fine with guys having casual sex. the ones that probably find it annoying are the ones who DONT have casual sex, want an ltr and stumbled upon a number of fboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 05:54 PM
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its important, im not disagreeing with your title, but how can you say its way more important than personality in the context of expected monogamy? the capacity to cheat on someone or not IS a component of personality. dont expect monogamy unless you find someone who has the personality for it. in the specific context of maintaining monogamy, personality is WAY more important than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 05:47 PM
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nothing wrong with it. not sure what specifically makes short shorts feminine. but you like what you like. i just think you really should be looking at more important comparability related stuff first. the features you describe are just quirks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 05:42 PM
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just looking at all the great apes, you see a wild variety of behaviors around dominance and sex. trying to cherry pick a few and applying them to humans is more likely to be from your own bias than anything. humans have extremely different physiological features around mating and sex (always engorged breasts, no seasonality for mating, longest child rearing period of any animal, dumbest and least capable offspring at birth, list goes on) along with very different social structures compared to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:39 AM
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this is a hairbrained solution to a non-existent problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:27 AM
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leagues aren’t only about looks. i was happy going for girls who are probably more or less attractive than me. it was genuinely intimidating going for girls significantly smarter, more ambitious or more accomplished than me. Also not super interested in girls significantly dumber, or less ambitious than me.
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/23 03:52 AM
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iunno, it could work out. i’m 36, have kids, and what your describing hasn’t happened. hasn’t happened to all the dad-bod looking guys who drop off their kids at my daycare either.
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/23 03:46 AM
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thats not the final judgement. he can open his mouth, be a complete idiot and get rejected. a not so good looking guy can get an “eh” response in looks, but be clever, knowledgeable and funny and get a number. look at an average couple on facebook. that average guy somehow piqued a girls interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 12:22 AM
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youve already assumed this dual mating strategy is a common thing, its not. if anything its more on the male side (find hookups and then settle with a good wife) considering tinder has much more male users than female. many women basically start looking for “betabux” as soon as they can, or just people who are ltr material.
/r/AllPillDebate28/07/23 10:47 PM
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In that case my interpretation would be to be more honest and/or more selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 07:08 PM
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Then whats your point? If both parties are equally active both would get approached equally frequently. My issue was with the OP believing expecting to be approached is a privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:39 PM
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Nothing. The girls is trying to reject you nicely. Youre not “too nice.” Just find someone who likes you for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:13 PM
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To each their own, but being expected to be the active person is better than being expected to be the passive to me. And its hard to say that a personal preference one way or the other is some privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:12 PM
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You can have a grievance with society, but not a lot of these, and at least half if not more of the blame falls on men. If a woman can expect men to approach her, or have casual sex, or most of what youre saying, it takes a man to do these things with her in a heterosexual context. As for some of your weird ones that i dont get: Are you saying men cant dress and present themselves well? Why is expecting to be approached a privilege over approaching someone? Id rather approach someone than expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:32 PM
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if you like committed relationships, i don’t see how your relationship of lets say, 2 years, will have you suddenly change your role in the relationship just because of the marriage. the difficulty of divorce is basically the key feature of marriage. the other tax and medical benefits are more minor. in a marriage, your assets are shared, which is why divorce can be difficult. this means one of you can feel “taken care of” or safe if you have to give something up for the benefit of the partnersh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 10:42 AM
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in my early 20s a lot of my closest friends were girls. i’d spend most weekends with them at times. they weren’t unattractive and had a number of relationships. ONS basically never happened. i dont recall losing anyone when we were supposed to leave together. 40 is straight up insanity. even for men, you’re getting to a point where it can easily be unsafe. how likely is it that 1/40 turn out to be a stalker? i think the highest ones were 6 at the time. i went from 0-2 at the same time, and the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 10:32 AM
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maybe different professions, but i don’t think i’ve ever seen this. when i made it to grad school, the girls were mostly with other grad school guys. rare for them to date down in that respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 10:14 AM
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my dude, im thinking you dont know what consent means. only the woman consents? so if some woman wanted you to stick it in her youd have no choice? to pass an std, unless its rape, both people need to make it happen. but you arbitrarily only blame one. it takes a man and a woman to make a woman pregnant. both need to do something. why do you only blame the person that ends up with the pregnancy? she couldnt have been pregnant without a man. it takes 2 people to make this thing happen, but you ar…
/r/AllPillDebate28/07/23 12:32 AM
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Im a man and ive had plenty of agency. Ever hear of the saying “never stick your dick in crazy?” Great piece of advice imo. Are you saying this is pointless since youre forced to stick your dick wherever its wanted? Lol similar to pregnancy, i dont think you know how a strawman works. Im objecting to something you said verbatim. Im not rephrasing your argument then arguing against that. Let me explain pregnancy here: it takes a man and a woman for one woman to get pregnant. If it takes both peop…
/r/AllPillDebate27/07/23 09:51 PM
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So men have no agency. They basically sit there with a “will you fuck me” sign and just take whoever bites? Get real. Do you know how pregnancy works? Can a woman get pregnant just by herself? You know something has to happen before that right?
/r/AllPillDebate27/07/23 09:31 PM
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IT TAKES 2 TO CONSENT AND GET PREGNANT WTF?! First where are you learning your biology? Second please rethink your idea of consent.
/r/AllPillDebate27/07/23 09:23 PM
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It takes 2 to spread stds. It takes 2 to have kids. Whats your fixation on blaming women for this?
/r/AllPillDebate27/07/23 09:13 PM
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Why older than 25? Being younger isnt somehow worse. Im most of these things. Not that kind, not that manly (depending on the definition), watch porn more than once a week usually.
/r/AllPillDebate27/07/23 09:11 PM
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i dont have a survey to prove that a majority of women wont end up in the BB scenario, but based on my own experience they dont. all of my male cousins are “betas”. they didnt struggle with ltrs in their 20s. their girlfriends/wives adore them. i struggled as a teen but spent very little of my 20s single. but whether the majority do or dont isnt even important. you hit the nail on the head, are the majority of the women your friend will encounter going to have that history or mindset? your frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:36 PM
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Nah, even in metro areas you get ruled out immediately if you arent situationally a match. No amount of alphaery makes up for a level of education requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:21 PM
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Focus on the BB not being true. Shouldnt be too hard. Its pretty easy to find anecdotal examples of AF being true, and it probably is. But BB isnt, and you shouldnt have a rough time seeing that. BB isnt true because you really just have to find your type. If there is a desirable beta out there, they dont have to pick someone who is “settling” for them. If they want an instagram model, thats what they might get. But there are plenty of great women who would be head over heels for a smart, capabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:18 PM
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outside of a dating context, i meet countless women through my job, and i think what you’re describing is virtually non-existent. i’ve never met a woman who instantly hated an empathetic person. in the specific context of dating, i’m sure some women are turned off by it? but my guess is thats rare. as a general rule, social skills are attractive and anti social behavior is not. there are all kinds of weirdos out there though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 10:16 AM
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lol just listen to yourself. ive never been a fuckboy, so i guess that makes me a beta? but when i was young and actually looking for a relationship, no single mother would ever be in my league. i also didnt see many running around who were my age. what well to do “beta” in his 20s would go for a single mother? if this was a genuine strategy its obviously a garbage one that very few women willingly employ. especially “high value” women.
/r/AllPillDebate26/07/23 11:33 PM
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explain the dual mating strategy and how it works? are you saying women find an ltr guy, then routinely cheat on this person once, to get pregnant, then have the ltr guy take care of the baby? this is routine and happens more often than not?
/r/AllPillDebate26/07/23 11:06 PM
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I disagree that its not logical. Just because TRP over generalizes a few loose observations to form this insane theory, doesnt mean the logical approach is bad. For instance, going for people who would go for you is a simple logical approach thats pretty good. Try to meet the type of people who would like you. Knowing what type of situation you want your partner to be in and rejecting people who dont meet that criteria is also important. Dating is emotional, but you can apply logical filters to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:12 PM
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Please show them. You basically cited something thats saying its not normal for women to not enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 03:53 PM
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Ive never had a pill but had a few creeping red pill thoughts at one point in my life. I simped a little, got friendzoned, was told “why cant i find a nice guy like you” and drank the koolaid. I got a little older and realized she was just trying to reject me nicely, and difficulty with her bf at the time was what lead her to say those things. He was almost certainly nice to her at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 03:33 PM
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Why do you do this? You dont even understand what youre citing. You just read a headline and absorb it automatically to affirm your crazy view on women. Notice; this is a clinic. A very well known health care institution. Why do you think they write this? Maybe because a women who doesnt enjoy sex is considered at least possibly pathological? i.e abnormal? So really youve just cited a source that says essentially; “if youre a woman, and you dont enjoy sex, consider seeking medical advice.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:54 PM
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Agreed, but: Younger than 30 is way too early. Giving up is no excuse for the misogyny. Engaging in that just makes people rightfully hate you. Youre not being bullied in that case, you are the bully.
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 08:59 PM
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Agreed, but: Younger than 30 is way too early. Giving up is no excuse for the misogyny. Engaging in that just makes people rightfully hate you. Youre not being bullied in that case, you are the bully.
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 08:58 PM
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I think its closer to making you realize youre being a horrible person just because you gave up too early.
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 08:33 PM
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Whats wrong with this? Relationships probably end. Average men have situationships too. They just call it something else, like fwb. If more women want relationships and more men want casual sex youre going to thrive when youre the minority and suffer when youre the majority. Why would you expect otherwise? Women could easily say they have few options for men who want committed relationships and/or children at younger ages. Both groups are overrepresented in certain pools.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:06 PM
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you’ve just straw manned. no one there was saying you are a beta just because you don’t do casual sex. you’ve taken what they’ve said, in the context of a normal world view, and spun it into a chad-betabux narrative. you see an imbalance of attention on tinder that hugely favors women. how are you making sense of this in real life in any context other than casual sex? there are roughly as many women as men. so if tinder has way more men than women, maybe think of a situation where the opposite i…
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 11:09 AM
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its not bullying to just repost the crazy stuff people say. i’m sure IT crosses into bullying sometimes, but most of the time, its just reposting content from the source. do you think women get harassed more by some incels, or incels get harassed more by some IT people or people like that?
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 11:00 AM
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tinder is only a small portion of life, its not an accurate sample of it. far more men use tinder than women.
/r/AllPillDebate25/07/23 10:56 AM
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How is that not circumstantial? The wedding guest proves you have a social circle, the dmv doesnt. Meeting people at a place where you have already essentially been vetted by a mutual friend is a circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:44 PM
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To your overall point, some people get personal. Many of the posts on this sub are blackpillers personally attacking everyone else, even in the titles. The use of data is dubious at best. Theres certainly no data to suggest some chad-beta-woman narrative is widespread. Most of it involves cherry picking stats from social science studies and interpreting them to fit a specific narrative, even though in the actual study, those findings dont support the wild conclusion that ends up being spun. Conf…
/r/AllPillDebate24/07/23 08:16 PM
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Why do posters on incel tears represent all normal people? I feel like your argument would need more substantial evidence. If you took single and non single people of any age, im guessing the single ones will in aggregate be less attractive? If you expand that question to single for greater than 6 months i bet the difference would be even more pronounced? Wtf is a post-wall woman? In what world is being a father liberal or conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:38 PM
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theres no one way to improve yourself. follow your own ambitions and work on what you want to work on. cool skills are often seen as attractive, along with ambition. being too prescriptive about it doesnt make sense. not all women like 1 type of guy, wouldnt you rather find someone who likes the type of person you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:06 PM
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not sure what commitment minded language is but i imagine not complimenting vs complimenting was the biggest difference, and maybe having sex earlier. thats a key component early on for telling if someone likes you. 1-2 months no sex without a hook like consistent complimenting or other signs like that is gonna feel cold to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:59 AM
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birth control can have an effect like this, but i dont think youre looking at it right. if there are libido changes its really across the board. so i think its effect on her commitment and care for you is minimal. if a girl breaks up with you its not likely due to the birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:46 PM
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If it works for you, theres no reason to stop. Its just not a good general rule, since a few drinks and a meal is really not much for what you want to end up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:36 PM
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This is obviously not a smart move…if your goal is sex, a few drinks and/or 1 dinner is more than worth the potential for months or years of it. I agree to never do dinner on the first date, but drinks arent that expensive. I think if you can gauge how its going, dinner is fine for a second date. I dont think ive ever gotten to sex without either alcohol or food in a dating situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:47 PM
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If youre worried about a scam, thats kind of crazy. Who is going to message you for a week, go on a coffee date, then after all that work get a dinner and a few drinks from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:43 PM
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pretty sure most people would consider grad student as a status in and of itself. other grad students arent likely to go for people who dint have any higher ed. not everyone needs a guy with a lambo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:27 PM
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more selective single people is better than more people married out of desperation, but i dont think comfort has much to do with it. i think its more related to cost of living. there is a huge motivating factor for women to couple, much more so than men. if the woman wants to have kids, there is a sense of urgency that isnt there with men. this leads to a strong need for commitment. even if men wanted to have kids at an equal rate as women, they dont feel the urgency as much. if having kids is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:21 PM
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definitely not the worst. your statistics dont exist in a vacuum. some are related to others. for instance, in the relationships where men earn much more than the woman, the woman likely takes more of the responsibility for the kids. as a man, how can you get a family with kids in a situation where you are presumably making much more than the woman and the woman will be expected to sacrifice her earnings to take care of the family? without the security of child support and alimony in case you br…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:46 AM
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being a player involves a certain personality and guile, which many women probably arent attracted to. so apart from that, youre mostly right. i just dont get your point, and i dont see how it only applies to women. youve basically laid out the fact that attractive people attract people. women want an attractive person who wont act on other people being attracted to them. how do men not want the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:58 PM
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what about what youre saying is gynocentric? a man might be called controlling for not wanting women to behave in certain ways. thats ok in its own way. you tolerate what you tolerate. but women are called the same. women who dont let guys have female friends are called controlling, want to check the guys phone periodically, etc. just find one of those women and it will be a perfect match.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:53 PM
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warm approach is so much easier and less of a time waster. you know nothing about the people you cold approach. with a warm approach you can know more about them quickly, making decisions easier. you have to follow more social rules, but thats what makes it more welcome by many people than cold approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:42 AM
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why would you think the women arent honest here? youre so stuck in your blackpill garbage you dont see the most obvious answers. obviously the vast majority of women will say no. however, if this dude is really so appealing, 1-2% of women will still say yes. if every one of the 1-2% of the women who would tolerate it liked this guy (since hes so perfect) hed be getting more action than he can handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:28 PM
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The man is more likely probably. There are fewer barriers for men as a whole. No period, (no ovulation either but i think the negative drive with the period trumps the positive with ovulation usually?) pregnancy, breast feeding etc. Even assuming the general sex drive is the same, the woman will have more gaps prob. Even if some women dont go through some of these scenarios, many do. Obviously speaking only from minimal experience. Not a large sample size to draw from.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:15 PM
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Its not just being wrong. Its having such a defeatist, victim mentality thats shameful. The world didnt conspire against me. My situation wasnt helpless. Id say we are equally pathetic. I only shared a few braincells btw, not the crazy hateful ones.
/r/AllPillDebate20/07/23 06:43 PM
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It only matters if theyve been in several and you dont want one. Having been in one isnt a big deal and isnt all that different from other atypical arrangements like fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:22 PM
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Nah. Women and men want different types of relationships at different frequencies. Not really easy for women to get what they want either.
/r/AllPillDebate20/07/23 03:38 PM
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Lots of features are viewed as genetically inferior. Being dumb for instance. Hence why smart, high achieving (not even high earning) people are attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate20/07/23 03:01 PM
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Im not fat, old (arguable) or a lady. I may have shared a few braincells with some of you when i was a teenager, but quickly realized how dumb that was. I argue to deal with the shame i feel for ever thinking like that.
/r/AllPillDebate20/07/23 03:00 PM
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Whats a first gen by your definition here? I dont disagree that its harder for the men vs women, but i dont think its particularly easy for the women either. Maybe just to get some, but finding an actual partner is hard either way. I think the gap between the m and f is purely from external perception. There are as many goody two shoes boys and girls. Being goody two shoes also does not hurt the ability to find someone imo. Its simply a different crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:18 PM
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No. You should be comfortable and find ways to enjoy your life without a romantic partner, but if you want one you really should be looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:37 PM
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Everyone who thinks they are nice guys are really just “nice guys.” I dont think “nice guys” cant be genuinely nice, but theyre not nicer than the next average guy. Theres no real measure of niceness you could use to find true nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:59 PM
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But whether theyre shallow or not has nothing to do with the existence of “nice guys” or not being honest about their shallowness when rejecting “nice guys”. Theyre just independent issues. The most honest reason girls dont like “nice guys” probably isnt shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:51 PM
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I agree “nice guys” shouldnt be demonized. Back before inceldom was very huge “nice guys” were still around making posts about getting friendzoned. To my recollection, people were not that angry to these people when responding. The anger comes when theyre all into the manosphere and start the conversation with “women are shallow” or something like that. That kind of combative premise is going to illicit defensive responses. Regarding the overall argument, i dont agree that nice guys show women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:33 PM
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maybe those pieces of advice are found in trp and from regular people, but i think the interpretation “you don’t deserve affection as you are now” is trp justification for it. most people would probably convey something closer to “stop being so desperate and things will go your way.” i think that’s a somewhat important distinction. trp will judge you. assign you some greek letter. most normal people won’t judge your entire value based on your ability to get attention from a woman. the advice off…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:09 PM
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most people probably struggle to even define their own dating preferences so i imagine they’re not as superficial as you think they are. i’m sure there are women that more or less are how you describe, but I think in most cases, the “nice guy” is failing to see his own bias. I once thought this way but quickly learned how stupid it was. The nice guy is the shoulder to cry on (hence why he thinks he’s a nice guy, he’s not simply polite to strangers). the crying is happening because of some other …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:55 AM
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1 is the closest probably. i honestly cant imagine what being in the most fringe cases is like as a normie. but 2 is not true. when i was young and stupid i also had some creeping thoughts that height was going to bury me, my face didnt have sharp enough features, nice guys finish last, etc. its embarrassing to think i pitied myself. yet thats only a fraction of the amount of self pity blackpillers have. things kind of all of a sudden clicked for me when i really focused on actually looking for …
/r/AllPillDebate19/07/23 12:57 AM
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Your stat doesnt show what you think it does…under 30 is young. If you cherry pick an age group, it doesnt show how hard it is for men and women in general. More single women age out of that group and go on to be single forever than men. Ultimately in a monogamous society with balanced male to female ratio, its gonna even out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:15 PM
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I never thought id mostly agree with something from trp. Thats insane. I think the inability to handle rejection, to empathize with women as humans and see that preferences vary is a childish mindset. Not to mention the crazy contradiction of thinking life is the absolute worst without a woman, but also hating them deeply just makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:44 PM
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Ive never in my life had this happen to me. Im pretty bad with social literacy to be honest, but no one has ever thought i was trying to hit on them when i wasnt. Ive only approached random women like a maximum of 10-15 times in my life too, so every other interaction i have with women (i dont work from home and have worked customer facing jobs, +random interactions when outside) is a non-hitting on situation, and no one has commented on it. Im not saying this doesnt happen, but its hard for me …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:30 PM
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Its not a looks/personality dichotomy. Thats my point. Things that are neither personality nor looks can be attractive or not attractive. And “best” isnt the same as most attractive to me, but heck yes. When you think of someone who would be attractive to you, you only think of an image? A voice or demeanor doesnt come to mind? You dont have a “type” in any sense other than looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:06 PM
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Its not the only thing. You can have way lower standards for friends than partners. You plan to live with your partner at one point (im assuming). You see your friends periodically. Its totally different. even only considering casual sex, people can find non-physical traits attractive. any type of performance, competition, sports, art, or some weird hobby like woodworking, all can be attractive, and not physical characteristics. And like the commentor said, its not ONLY some feeling of attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:53 PM
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Sure but whats your point? Who is saying personality is important for something like an instagram photo? Are we not talking about matching with people here? If so, by definition, personality, and anything other than physical attractiveness doesnt matter, because we are only talking about physical attractiveness? I dont see how it could be possible to disagree. Its like saying physical attractiveness is important when evaluating physical attractiveness. Edit also to your first point, the original…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:37 PM
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Youre barking up crazy tree here. The point is that many things are important, certain things are more of a dealbreaker than others. No matter how handsome a woman is, not a man is not going to work for some people. Not everything boils down to looks. Even if looks matter, its probably not the most important thing. Its also not just looks vs personality, there are so many other important factors. Many (most?) will sooner settle for someone less physically attractive but a cleaner social/politica…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:17 PM
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youre forced into a little community high school and early in college. you think your mind can be made up before you even get out into the world? if anything, you need to be a chad to slay in a set community. when you get to broaden your search and make a bigger network is when you dont need to be a chad. you can find someone who is specifically looking for someone like you.
/r/AllPillDebate18/07/23 02:24 AM
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how well can you KNOW your destiny? its pretty premature. youre not in hospice yet man, all kinds of unexpected things will happen to you.
/r/AllPillDebate18/07/23 12:21 AM
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i was a virgin at 18. i didnt know what i wanted, didnt know how to interact with girls, didnt know what about me could be appealing. never had a girlfriend, kept thinking i got friendzoned; i ended up a normie. you cant know that much when you are 18 or 20.
/r/AllPillDebate18/07/23 12:17 AM
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didnt realize the 20 was current. thats WAY too young to even consider giving up, or thinking you are or arent destined for something.
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 11:46 PM
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how old are you though? tried for how long?
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 11:28 PM
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im a man, but i still believe this is true. not in the way the psychologist is talking about, exactly. just because it hasnt been studied doesnt mean its bad advice. girls who are desperate arent attractive. neither are guys. girls who seem like theyre jumping from relationship to relationship with no time between are a red flag. im guessing its the same with guys. its not that you CANT love someone if you dont love yourself, youre just not likely to find love. even if you find someone, not bein…
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 10:42 PM
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first off, it takes 2 to tango so its obviously not only womens fault. also the solution to not having stds is to…have multiple wives…right…just make outbreak city.
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 10:34 PM
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Youll never be perfectly happy with a partner either. You can be happy being single, and still be happier when you find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:03 PM
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I dont know if he was maybe just mansplaining or not…i dont know if his intention was to stop or injure you. If i got a long term partner into something and she gradually got as good at it as me or better, id probably still try to hang on to the mentor role for longer than its warranted. I feel like this inevitably happens in most relationships. You get a little fat the first year and out of shape. Having too much fun, take a break from working on yourself so hard. Then you feel the need to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:57 PM
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Lol what studies would draw this insane conclusion? I literally cant imagine a study to test something like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:16 PM
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If you go for mail order brides or sex tourism you have to prepare to be scammed potentially. I feel like thats common sense. In many asian countries dating apps are used for serious dating, like meet the family and sort the finances before having sex type dating. Theres apprehension about using it for hookups because of a fear of predators. Not all countries so who knows, but youd be best served adopting some of their local ideas around these things. Dont assume tinder here is the same as tinde…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:10 PM
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whats the demo that reads it though? just anecdotally i feel like romance novels are often an older women thing? could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:01 AM
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lol what? straight to sunken cost fallacy if someone doesnt ditch a girl theyve had sex with once?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:17 AM
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pretty sure theres a good chance both the man and woman choose to date option b. but option b only likes either enough to date a bit. so it doesnt work out either way. whats your point here? neither the man nor woman get option b.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:08 AM
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here we go. yes feminism is to blame for this supposed world where 90 women line up for the attention of 10 men or whatever is being theorized here. yes, that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:02 AM
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honestly we would just get desensitized. no picture would do it for us anymore. i dont think guys cream their pants past age like 13. i dont get what technology has to do with anything, im pretty sure a majority of women hot enough to be instagram models still choose not to. because privacy is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:10 AM
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marriage is a partnership so should benefit both people. if there is a dual income dynamic, it allows for one partner to sacrifice on the income/career end and maybe move or something to benefit the other partners income/career without worrying that theyve screwed themselves if a breakup happens. if the partnership wants to become a breadwinner and homemaker dynamic, the homemaker can give up a career without worrying as much also.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:06 AM
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i dont get it. if youre allowing for it to go that far it might make sense to measure it by dates. like why would a quick kiss on the lips after the first date, another one after the second, and a full makeout after the third, be indicative less chemistry compared to 5 dates with no kiss lol? kissing is such a plain expression of affection that its perfectly appropriate to throw one out there before that passion hits. and people havre such different boundaries and habits that it probably doesnt …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:31 AM
1

im not a woman, but pretty sure theyre happy to do it sometimes. i just wouldnt want the expectation of not being the initiator. initiating is not a bad thing. rejecting someone is anxiety ridden too. not having someone you like come up to you would be way more frustrating than going up to everyone you liked and getting rejected each time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 08:46 PM
2

1 and 3 just sounds like it took some time. not quite a 180 to me. i think you dodged a bullet with 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 08:15 PM
2

male peacocks just kind of wait for females and take whatever they get. this isnt the case with people. both parties make a selection at some point. you cite a study about physical attractiveness determinations with exposure <1 second. nowhere does this show the determination wont change after 1 second, or that its hopeless once a negative impression is made. you have to be in a pretty deep denial to think people actually hold their 1 second opinion forever in a social setting. plenty of ugly mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 08:08 PM
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We dont work like peacocks, its not like the male is standing around with a little display and having females look around and select. Someone is doing some sort of initiating and someone else is agreeing, so both end up selecting. Men typically initiate so that’s a form of selection. I also dont get the point of the second paragraph…its pointless when someone has already made up their mind…sure. So just check what their conclusion is if you care to know? I disagree that women make up their minds…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:31 PM
1

B. dating girls outside of your league in terms of looks isnt a big deal. a girl outside of your social status league is harder to overcome. even if she seems to like you, it just feels more awkward and scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:35 AM
1

i mean for a body count to go up, it takes 2 people. so the womans body count is jointly caused by some guy and the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:03 PM
3

it seems unfair to say this. its certainly not appropriate in many situations but at events and bars i feel like a little social interaction with strangers is expected. as long as theyre not rude and read social queues just reject them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:56 PM
1

lol ok says you, i dont think real humans would do this. do you think women or men like sharing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:52 PM
6

how are 3 and 4 common sense anywhere except china where there is an actual imbalance in the male to female ratio?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:29 PM
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A. SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN is usually only said by pseudoscience hawkers, like dr oz or whatever. B. even the headline isnt saying what youre saying
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 06:41 PM
1

i still dont get it. women are the gatekeepers. so men are the gate knockers. why is it the gatekeepers fault and not the gate knockers fault when they both agree to open the gate?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:36 PM
1

this is just my personal take, but if you think a girl is flirting with you, she probably is. flirting means almost nothing though. if a girl flirted with me when i was single i would try to flirt with her a little too; its almost like a compulsive response. it usually didnt lead to anything. just a bit of fun i guess. if shes got it down bad for you, im sure she will make it known. but if she thinks youre interesting it might not be that obvious. just ask. if you dont want to make it awkward sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:11 PM
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Dunno the numbers but the difference i would guess is either 0 or 1. Youve already stipulated horny, theyre not going to want to wait in line. I kinda was in a situation like this at a kind of boot camp. There were more men than women, but the same number of men and women had sex within the group. Several men and women were left over, but everyone who had sex with someone else in the group paired off. Even though there was definitely not going to be a serious relationship since the duration of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:29 PM
1

either physical protection, or “its time to propose to me.” depends on the context really.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:58 PM
1

i think thats a little reductive and dismissive of a persons actual agency here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:51 PM
1

uh i think that was a gross misinterpretation of my point lol. my point isnt that body count matters for both men and women, its that it doesnt matter to either. hence why both men and women with higher counts are doing fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:45 PM
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if it was just not all men have the potential to be attractive, why is there so much discussion about the specific traits women find attractive? if it was just that simple, and you accepted you couldnt be sure who is absolutely hopeless, there wouldnt be such a prevailing defeatist attitude. i agree with your phrasing of what the blackpill belief is, some people will end up unattractive. men and women. but its not so easy to tell that its worth giving up if thats what you want, especially not at…
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 03:40 PM
0

yeah i might have given up eventually, but i highly doubt i would have given up before my mid thirties at the earliest. many incels havent given up per se, but the chad carousel beta buxx narrative delusion is tantamount to giving up. youve already devalued yourself, dehumanized women, etc. rather than thinking about how you can change yourself, or how you might change how youre meeting people, you kind of adopt a defeatist and hopeless attitude. being rejected sounds bad, but i think feeling ho…
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 02:51 PM
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I love how the blame for body count falls only on the woman. A woman has to have sex with someone. That other man was happy to do it. So if you are complaining that women arent of a certain quality based on your standards, and those standards are more and more outlandish relative to the rest of society, a lot of it is on you. Also women you describe probably exist and are abundant in certain social circles but are you going to be appealing to them? You cant demand a million things from your part…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:15 PM
1

I think this is a case where the word confidence means a variety of actually observable behaviors which people can differentiate but if you boil it down to a simple statement like “people like confidence” it lumps things together that people differentiate in reality. I dont think “salesman-like” would be an appealing quality in most settings, not just dating. Salesman are confident but theyre other things too which many people might feel are negative qualities. I think the confidence thats appea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:00 PM
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Then why phrase it that way? Why not actually give a way better piece of advice? Instead of trying to guess when someone says the opposite of what they mean, just try and empathize and understand what your partner wants? Why say it like “women sometimes say the opposite of what they mean” as if its a landmine that needs to be navigated?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:44 PM
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Generalizations arent inherently bad based on populations, but if its rooted in observations within scientific studies, like the generalizations in medicine, you wouldnt end up with conclusions like “women dont say what they mean.” You really have to add a lot of bias, often sexist (depends), to end up with a statement like that from some scientific study. Its not sexist because you intend to help men, its sexist when you dehumanize women in that attempt. Not saying all dating advice ends up doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:39 PM
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Advice about “what women want” are often sexist. Unless its something generic, like “women like confidence.” It suggests that women have some lizard brain that men dont. Even within the examples you said yourself, if you were self reflective, youd see men also say the opposite of what we want. Youve never said something because it was some platitude and socially expected, only to later realize it wasnt something you wanted? Never felt impatient about something you at one point said to take your …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:28 PM
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is the core of truth simply that some people will end up alone? i really don’t think its as generic as that. the “why” is the more defining characteristic to me for what incels believe. incels believe women have some simple and basic ti-83 formula for determining if men are worthy or not. incels believe women have life exceedingly easy and only men struggle. if the core of truth was simply that people would end up alone, and you actually empathized with women who also end up alone, there wouldn’…
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 12:10 PM
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is the core of truth simply that some people will end up alone? i really don’t think its as generic as that. the “why” is the more defining characteristic to me for what incels believe. incels believe women have some simple and basic ti-83 formula for determining if men are worthy or not. incels believe women have life exceedingly easy and only men struggle. if the core of truth was simply that people would end up alone, and you actually empathized with women who also end up alone, there wouldn’…
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 11:56 AM
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i guess i was once a bluepilled incel, i wouldn’t have described myself that way. pretty sure i was never that miserable. I never felt so bad about it that i wanted to give up. i kept meeting girls through friends, events, or school. I kept finding girls i liked so i kept asking. kept getting rejected, or if not rejected something got bungled along the way. but i assumed it wasn’t going to be easy. i enjoyed whatever situation i met them in, and still got some of their numbers after getting reje…
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 11:43 AM
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you have the actual non-abstract study and it doesn’t have the numbers for 2 key endpoints? that’s sketch. i can imagine why the angelina jolie number would be higher lol most women aren’t as attractive as angelina jolie. my point is the attraciveness delta is similar for men and women. 57-23, and 97-80. both men and women value attractiveness roughly equally. men just have a higher baseline. so it’s not like women being more likely to an attractive guy is something unique to women.
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 10:32 AM
1

yes women can do that. do you think thats happening intentionally? its encouraging women to have kids with some extremely fit man and go on food stamps? the obvious observation here is no. food stamps are not encouraging anything. i dont know why divorce law favors giving custody to the woman, there may be a good reason or not, but everything else follows the kids. if men got the kids more often, women would be paying child support, so no of course men should not be able to dodge that. its sad i…
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 04:34 AM
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i’m not saying you want them, or all women want them…but many do…who knows who convinced them but it sure as hell wasn’t me. so even if the “patriarchy” did it, many wants kids before they even meet the person they end up having kids with. i’m married now and my wife made it clear that she wanted kids. when i told her i wasnt sure she told me she’d leave me if i didn’t decide by the time she was 30. i have no intimate knowledge of those conversations between my friends who are married but they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:27 AM
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i feel like you just extended the rant but didnt address the inconsistency. how does this relate to hypergamy? how can women practice that and abuse welfare or foodstamps but at the same time have kids with average guys then divorce them? what you think is a gynocracy is just designed to benefit the kids. divorce law and family law are all kid centric. not woman centric. it favors the woman because the woman has the kids usually. lots of single mothers are on welfare, but instead of seeing that …
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 03:17 AM
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i don’t agree at all about women choosing to be childless. lots of women specifically want kids. and make a point to make that clear early on in a relationship. many men wants kids too, but most of the women who wants kids feel a ticking clock. men don’t feel that pressure without the woman reminding them usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:04 AM
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never really cared. they probably are more reserved about sex? only really interacted with 1 but i thought i made some clear implications about sex and she didn’t read it that way. didn’t end up being a big deal. after the age of like 24 though I was kinda scared of dealing with people who hadn’t had any long term relationships before. i was a disaster in my first one, didn’t know when to break up, didn’t know my own deal breakers, and i was afraid of meeting people like i was then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:57 AM
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anecdotally its usually the women who want to get married and have kids. men probably do too, but feel much less time pressure about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:47 AM
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why does participating in the sex industry more as a an entire sex have to do with meeting standards? the reality of a monogamous relationship is that both people meet each others standards. i don’t think it should be particularly hard work for either though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:42 AM
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dunno what you’re reading but when most people talk about standards they are talking about more than looks. AT LEAST age is included. but more likely, all kinds of factors are included way beyond that. that’s what constitutes high standards. i don’t think anyone is saying your standards are too high, with standards meaning only looks, then in the breath saying looks don’t matter. if anyone says that, they’re likely referring to the host of other standards people have other than looks. it’s also …
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 02:24 AM
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what are you smoking? how has the state encouraged hyperagmy? you think women would like to have kids with some good looking dude then go on food stamps with the baby as a single mom? seriously? like they actively WANT this outcome? wtf is a post wall ex-carousel rider? anyway if you get one of those you’ll have kids and get them taken away? well which is it? women only want men way better than them and won’t have kids with anyone else and will just use food stamps or they’ll have kids with you …
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 02:12 AM
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I don’t think the only reason men stay single is because their standards are too high, but I don’t see how anything you say refutes the fact that many men are single because of that? that’s just a common reason for any person, man or woman, to remain single despite their best efforts. i do want to address 3 and 4. there certainly aren’t discrete tiers. I don’t think there’s an agreed upon tier list of men with discrete cutoffs. it’s pretty much a spectrum, and it’s extremely subjective. to a pop…
/r/AllPillDebate15/07/23 01:56 AM
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this might happen and maybe ends up helping you out in some small way, but trying to detect and play on it doesnt make sense. if it helps momentarily so be it but you probably dont want to draw attention to that guilt. itd probably be better to take whatever opportunity it provided and replace that feeling of guilt with something more positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:56 PM
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These babies get made somehow though…
/r/AllPillDebate14/07/23 08:28 PM
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There are just fewer single people as the age goes up
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:02 PM
1

If people were actually doing the 2nd one I dont think theyd be saying how mean women are all the time? The pure vitriol about how mean women are really suggests theyre not doing the 2nd one. Ive done the second one and been rejected, but always fairly nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:50 PM
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Getting rejected doesnt have to be humiliating. Some women might be mean but most will let you know subtly, at least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:44 PM
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Why not bars? If a bar is full of married people go to a different bar. Many bars have at least some women who are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:40 PM
1

Ive never been rejected like that with cold approaches. Just do it in a setting where it might be appropriate and dont talk about hooking up or her physical appearance right away. Let her reject you without being rude. Friends are scary but some couples started out as friends so its obviously worked out like that sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:29 PM
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Most of these touch grass responses are to the most dehumanizing stuff you could say about women. If you genuinely asked for advice without assumptions about how women cant help but throw themselves at chads or whatever, youd probably get some better advice and less touch grass responses. Youll still get some, because some people are aholes.
/r/AllPillDebate14/07/23 06:28 PM
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no difference between angelina jolie and friend would surprise me, especially in the context of the chart you linked. so the social appropriateness of straight up asking for sex is a confounder, but it still seems trust is important since the hypothetical johnny depp thing might get significantly higher than 57%. i dont think the chart is making your point either. women are less likely to agree than men for any level of attractiveness. men are still less likely to agree to average women vs attra…
/r/AllPillDebate14/07/23 04:22 PM
2

people have different preferences when deciding business partners. some are ok with doing business with people without many connections to themselves as long as the pitch is good, and others only like to do business with people within a close network. why cant this be the same for romantic relationships? some people might just HATE being approached. this says nothing about the fact that they want to have sex or not. this says something about how they prefer to find people. they might want an ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:52 PM
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Maybe, but a charming guy who has 9 women walk away because hes not attractive can still get laid by the 1 woman who doesnt. The creepy ass giving off stalker vibes guy might get a response from all 10 women but wont get laid. That first response isnt the most important.
/r/AllPillDebate14/07/23 02:02 PM
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the difference between friend and johnny depp is the attractiveness. but to check if generically attractive with the absence of a sense of trust was extremely important, you would have to check whether an attractive man randomly asking for casual sex would get a significant response. probably not. the consequences are the same for men and women. was there not a significant gap between angelina jolie and friend for the men? that suggests that men are aware of that too. if that gap is smaller for …
/r/AllPillDebate14/07/23 11:42 AM
1

So if you never want kids all you will ever do is masturbate even if you get married? Youre just using your wife to masturbate lol?
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 08:50 PM
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Wouldnt do it when straight up asked by a stranger is not the same as wouldnt do it. The study is SPECIFICALLY regarding casual sex, so at best, you can conclude its harder for men to have casual sex since women have a higher bar for that. Theres nothing here to suggest finding a relationship is harder for men. That idea basically doesnt make sense, since there are about as many men as women, and the vast majority of people practice monogamy. If you want to see a more genuine advantage for women…
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 07:05 PM
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The difference between 0% of strangers and vast majority for johnny depp is absolutely explained by the sense of trust. You even cite that more than 0% of women are ok with having casual sex with their best male friend. That clearly indicates trust is important. 0% of strangers, significant % with friend. The fact that best friend is < than johnny depp doesnt mean as much as you may think. Having sex with your friend can have consequences which may be a factor. Im also curious how the heck 75% o…
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 02:09 PM
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Whats wrong with 20s? That sounds like a good age to meet a serious boyfriend or girlfriend. Good chance shes been with at least 1 person for a decent length by that point, which is a good thing. Also, just because a womans past relationships werent great, doesnt also mean she was looking actively for bad boys. Some pretty milktoast 19, 20, 21 yr old guys have girlfriends.
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 01:39 PM
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there are plenty of good stable careers that pay less than actuaries, but are still filled with women who are probably looking for risk-averse men. many medical technicians are probably happily with skilled tradesmen like an electrician or something. i see your point that some profiles of women who have dated many men are jaded, but i don’t think it makes sense to only view the worst examples. the worst examples of male dating profiles make want to call the police on them. just avoid the worst o…
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 11:20 AM
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never heard of female dating strategy before you mentioned it. is it a subreddit or a podcast? either way i don’t see how that’s relevant to my point that baggage is less negative than people think, and dating someone who’s never had a serious boyfriend before is scarier. whats the problem with being appealing to women who aren’t appealing to you? i feel like that’s no more than a slight annoyance at worst. women who are similarly on a stable career path are also more likely to find guys who are…
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 04:57 AM
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are you catching people on the immediate rebound or something? most people get over breakups. their boundaries change, but my point is thats for the better. you dont want someone who doesnt know what they want, doesnt know what they will tolerate, is insecure in general about relationships because they cant read the writing on the wall and dont know how to handle a breakup. dunno who you are hanging out with but having a good career path is typically pretty appealing to many groups of women. i a…
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 02:35 AM
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some people are so misogynistic, so misanthropic, hateful, spiteful, so self defeating, and seemingly hopeless that it seems like they might need therapy. some of these posts are dark as shit. i doubt the suggestion is specifically meant to fix someones view on dating.
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 12:21 AM
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plenty of women are happily married to randos. there obviously arent that many “alphas.” its pretty defeatist to automatically presume all women want something that you arent. think about the women you want to be with (dear god dont say someone “young”), what hobbies, skills or quirks does this woman have? where can you find someone like that? think about the type of girl who would like you. where can you find someone like that?
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 12:13 AM
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have you ever heard the saying “first love never works out?” baggage isnt as detrimental as you make it out to be. being clueless about yourself, and yourself within relationships is at least as bad. their profiles may be more jaded, but theyre probably pickier in a good way. they know what they want, what they will accept. i dont see how tinder changes a womans preference for risk. having a good career or a path to one is still a big plus.
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 12:03 AM
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ive had a few. all of them i met as a teenager or very early 20s. none from after that. none have tried to date me, but at that young age we did on rare occasion get drunk and touchy feely. nothing too much, and we oddly just passed it off as no big deal. after getting older, we found partners and grew apart a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:07 PM
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fair enough. what studies though? here are some general ways to interpret studies wrong: 1. not reading a study but another type of academic article altogether, like an expert opinion piece. 2. cherry picking statistics within studies that are secondary (if it is an experimental study) to support a point thats not the actual matter or question being studied 3. thinking a study can be applied broadly when its actually much more narrow (thinking a study about tinder means something about all men a…
/r/AllPillDebate12/07/23 10:56 PM
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Is your implication here that any sex without the intention of having kids is the same as hooking up? It seems like youre creating a dichotomy here but to me, there is a whole universe between hooking up and having kids. Like having a wife but using protection? If you genuinely feel that only sex where you are trying to have a baby is passionate, there should be a new sexual orientation created just for you. Do you think about your future baby when having sex? If youre married and you suspect or…
/r/AllPillDebate12/07/23 06:45 PM
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I mean yeah, you would probably want to find someone who would not take advantage of you. If youre not interested in kids or cohabitation, of course dont get married. Divorce is only a weapon a woman can hold over you if you make a lot more than her, like millions more. If so, yeah, marriage is a terrible idea. If you make like tens of thousands more, then it starts making sense. Its much more of a double edged sword in this case. Splitting up has minimal financial benefit for her, and since you…
/r/MGTOW09/08/19 11:54 PM
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Im someone who has asked a woman to take time off work to take care of kids, to find a cushier, less stressful job so that she can be the first call when the kids are sick. Just because someone loves you, doesnt mean they just give up their self interest. Even with the financial security of marriage, these were extremely tough conversations. I imagine she would have up and left if I asked the same and she knew that she would never be paid for that sacrifice, and I could leave at any time, keep a…
/r/MGTOW09/08/19 10:40 PM
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Pan out? Yeah its not always going to work out. But without the financial guarantee of the legal implications of marriage, how are you going to get someone to do any of the things I said? You plan on getting someone to quit their job to take care of the kids for a few years? Quit their job to move with you? They would be losing tons of money, and if they thought you could leave them with no compensation for their sacrifice at any time, why would they do it? Are you interested in landing a sucker…
/r/MGTOW09/08/19 09:56 PM
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Your assets are at risk because thats the point of marriage. You tie 2 peoples financial futures together. You should look at it like a business partnership, but with life oriented end goals. I thinks its not too difficult to protect your premarital assets, but you cant protect assets gained as partners. Find someone worth partnering up with. With a partnership, either individual can make financial sacrifices for the benefit of the partnership. whos going to leave their job and move so you can g…
/r/MGTOW09/08/19 07:29 PM
2

Like any games, or any topics they know more about than you do. Its the “dont show them up” mentality many women have on earlier dates.
/r/MGTOW09/08/19 02:54 PM
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No one should rush into marriage in terms of how long they should be in a relationship for. Wait at least a full year, but 2 or more is better. But as a married man with kids, if you ever want kids, have them when you arent old. Unless youre worth 10 million or more. If that means getting married young, do that.
/r/MGTOW09/08/19 02:37 PM
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If you have kids, you get to not be pregnant. Decent deal. Women also tend to let you win a lot early on in a relationship at the things you would otherwise lose in.
/r/MGTOW09/08/19 02:34 PM
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