ace_of_shovels Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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0	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Yes of course. Didn't you hear about that pug that saluted hatler? The dogs are not to be trusted.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 10:41 PM
0	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. do you just call all people you disagree with white nationalists or alt right? Don't answer that it was rhetorical. Again, I didn't call you alt-right. I called alt-right propaganda alt-right. is it not ok to be white? Is there something wrong with being white? Simple fucking question lol but I know you aren't going to answer it. Of course it's okay. That's not the point. The point of the propaganda is that it's a means of setting up the pretense that people don't think it's okay in order to arg…	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 10:29 PM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Not even sure why you're mad. I don't have a problem with you. Kinda weird that you're pseudo-defending intentionally manufactured and well-documented white nationalist propaganda but you do you I guess.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 09:25 PM
0	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. I mean sure but I wasn't calling you a white nationalist, all I did was call out white nationalist propaganda for being white nationalist propaganda (and compare it to other, similar white nationalist propaganda). The reason it's constructed as a statement that's fine on it's own is because the alt-right is obsessed with finding ways to get their ideology out into the mainstream, and it'd be difficult to do that if they instead used something more explicitly hateful and true to themselves. "It's…	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 08:38 PM
0	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. That's also the point of a live reaction video. Sure, if you're willing to show off low reading comprehension and an inability to adress when a point you make is later invalidated by the article. What's wrong with saying it's ok to be white? Lmfao "It's okay to be white" origin and usage as white nationalist slogan/propaganda "Anti-racist is anti-white" created by white nationalist to support white nationalist conspiracy theories Hence the comparison. It's good to be aware of where phrases like …	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 07:17 PM
0	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. wow its almost like he's never read the article before he records it and posts the video!!! Yeah that's the point yeah and don't call random people white nationalists, and fucking alt right. It's offensive and nothing is wrong with being right wing. I said stuff you said was alt-right propaganda. "Anti-racist means anti-white" is right up there with "It's okay to be white". Didn't say you personally were, just that you were repeating their rhetoric. Sorry it offended you. You seem to say you are…	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 07:44 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Summary: Sargon is not reading his sources and often misrepresents them, completely missing the point in ways that could be interpreted as misleading if one didn't know any better. In the case of the whole female voices for AI thing, Sargon will make points that are literally explained in the article, either accidentally agreeing with the author or skipping over things that are explained in a way that discredits the source for anyone who hasn't read it (like pointing out something is a joke whil…	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 07:03 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. yes you can't be bothered but to make a nonresponse to me in which you focus on the least important thing I was talking about, ignore all the other points I was talking about and then change the subject completely What? I'd never do that. Have a gold star and a cone hat. Cool, thanks. ... No but really I've got shit to do and don't want to play the quote-post game right now. And you're also missing lots of context from the video. I understand you not wanting to watch it, but rest assured the thi…	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 06:06 AM
0	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. I literally was not trying to "stir shit" but okay. Kinda weird that you're not alt-right but you're willing to swallow so much of their terminology, ideology, and propaganda, including "alt left". You're willing to defend a dude who panders to a racist audience (but, admittedly, does make token efforts to get them to leave him alone by violating twitter's terms of service). Dude can't even bother to read his own sources. Is that enough? Can I be done yet? I'm working on something and this subje…	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 05:40 AM
0	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. I don't think it's possible for me to take someone seriously when they take Sargon seriously and even defend his twitter porn tantrum. Fucking surreal. Have a nice day, though.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 05:21 AM
0	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Anti-racist means anti-white? Nice white nationalist rhetoric. Really proving to me that this sub is NOT inundated with the ideas of the alt-right. And Sargon wasn't kicked off twitter because the left hates free speech or whatever else you've bought into. He was kicked off twitter because he was tweeting porn at people he didn't like to get them to go away. Pretty valid reason to get kicked. But no, just like the existence of comments you don't like on this sub, I'm sure it's a whole goddamn co…	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 04:58 AM
-1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Goddamn dictionaries and their "definitions". SJW nonsense.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 04:21 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Maybe.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 04:04 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Went there, scrolled through a few weeks of shit. Seems a lot calmer than this sub. Also, this is supposedly a legal and social justice cause, right? Weird that this sub is not only antifeminist but now also anti-'sjw'. Seems pretty alt-right adjacent in terms of the designated villains. I've ignored this shit for a year, but I'm starting to doubt whether the average user here is actually a sensible person who just cares about men's rights. We are talking on a highly-upvoted conspiracy theory an…	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 03:51 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. You can think whatever you want, but they're pretty clear about their rules. If feminists are also being banned, that just shows the rules are applied to everyone.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 03:23 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Yeah, we've got some bad apples too. Cool conspiracy theory thread by the way.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 02:49 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. I don't think that the people trying to debate feminism on the non-debate sub were planning on subscribing anyways.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 01:24 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Implying that the sub is, yes. As of right now: /r/feminism: 115,625 /r/MensRights: 197,337	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 12:45 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. That's a weird stance to take considering that we get so many antifeminist posts here daily and /r/feminism barely talks about us at all.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 12:34 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Because just like we do, they don't want babies to get cut up.	/r/MensRights	11/12/18 12:22 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. If you read the FAQ, they talk about that. They say that they used to allow that, but people started changing the subject to men's issues all the time. It's not that they think men's issues are unimportant (they outright say that they are), it's that it's not the point of the sub. Imagine you're the mod of a sub for fans of apples. You enjoy calm discussion and posts about apples. However, there's a bigger sub about oranges that hates apples. Every day, users from the oranges sub go into the app…	/r/MensRights	10/12/18 11:51 PM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. I thought feminism was about "equality" whats equal about only helping out women? The goal of feminism is to identify areas where women are discriminated against or opressed and to right those wrongs. The goal of men's rights is to identify areas where men are discriminated against or opressed and to right those wrongs. The idea is that we're both helping patch up holes in equality, just in different areas. Unfortunately, people will take advantage of both movements. Whether as a platform to sta…	/r/MensRights	10/12/18 05:37 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. If I took issue with a movement focusing on it's own purpouse, I would not still be subbed here. It would be nice if they helped spread our cause, but it's easy to see why it is they don't. That's neutrality, not malice. It would be just as easy to say men's rights only cares about the western world because we don't advocate for the end of female genital mutilation as often as male genital mutilation. In reality, that's a misrepresentation. We simply focus on our cause. Placing additional values…	/r/MensRights	10/12/18 04:40 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. I can't imagine it's because they think only one kind of mutilation is bad. It's probably for the same reason we mostly focus on MGM: It falls under the direct focus of our cause. It would certainly be nice if they would support our cause by speaking out against male genital mutilation. I am very much in favour of equal rights movements helping each other.	/r/MensRights	10/12/18 04:06 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Feminism is not an organization, it's a vague social movement. According to the FAQ of this sub: "views on feminism vary as much as views on Men's Rights, if not more so, and it is impossible to globally state what a feminist believes." Considering this is the intention of the sub, I refrain from globally stating or assuming what feminists believe. More controversially, I believe that people described in the dictionary definition of 'feminism' actually exist, and that's why, just like us, there …	/r/MensRights	10/12/18 04:00 AM
3	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. This is a great response and position to have on this. We already know men's rights isn't a hate group, but people outside have that impression. We should all do our best to engage with people calmly so as to show people we really are just an egalitarian equal rights movement with a focus on real issues faced by men.	/r/MensRights	10/12/18 03:41 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Yeah, mutilation sucks. Anyone who supports it for either men or women is taking the wrong side of history on their stance of 'cutting up babies'. It would be in the best interest of both men's rights and women's rights group to end it worldwide.	/r/MensRights	10/12/18 03:37 AM
1	Tweet of the year That's not even close to a good comparison. I mean yeah, I agree. The only similarity is that they're both bad arguments. Good point, but again, the main reason is because they just don't have that many examples of "bad" MRAs. If they did, if there were MRAs who had influence who did bad things, there would be just as much whining there as there is here. Sure, it may be a lot harder to find influential people who are openly into men's rights. It's probably more controversial to say that than it …	/r/MensRights	10/12/18 03:28 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. People have come to disagreements in the comment section. It isn't a conspiracy. I worry for the people that can look in the comments and see opposing views on a sub that supposedly encourages them and start coming up with reasons it must be foul play. We should be proud that we're not an echo chamber, not fearful because of it.	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 03:53 PM
1	Tweet of the year No, sorry but I'm not buying it. Like I said, we should judge the movement primarily on what it has actually done in the real world, not their pseudo-egalitarian theories. We should judge it based on the actions of the most powerful people in the movement, most of whom are anti-male. Sure, judge the movement based on what is going on in reality. As I've said, taking issues with feminism is 100% fine. I would not agree that feminism as a whole is to blame, partly because I have had experience on …	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 03:37 PM
1	Tweet of the year Is it propaganda if it's true with no exaggerations? You think the core of the feminist movement is 'more priviliges for women at the expense of men' and that there's no exaggerations in that claim whatsoever? Are you sure about that? Bias sources relying on outrage headlines help nobody. Especially when comparing suffragettes to terrorists. I feel gross having read that. If they're sane and informed, then yeah. And I'm not sure it's "generalizing" if you look at what it's actually done. It is g…	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 11:51 AM
1	Tweet of the year Maybe that's true. In that case, we need to have serious conversations with feminists. What happens instead is that we isolate ourselves in a subreddit almost entirely comprised of outrage anti-feminist posts until we get so far into the echo chamber that we start to believe feminism is an incomprehensible beast that can't be reasoned with, only fought off with facts and logic. That's not how conversations happen, it's not how minds are changed, and it's not how understanding is met. That's how …	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 09:34 AM
-1	Tweet of the year I can't blame them if they believe the bullshit propaganda that constantly smears us or if they're a "true feminist" aka wanting privileges over men and generally disliking us. You condemn propaganda against us, but immediately after you repeat anti-feminist propaganda. Not a good start. These people shouldn't be calling themselves feminists then. It's amazing how many times this needs to be said. Amazingly, people who believe in equality of the sexes see the movement that got women the right to…	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 09:19 AM
1	Tweet of the year You have re-worded my claim in order to call it stupid (three times), you have invented straw-man arguments of 'the enemy', and you're certain that we can't "do the same mistakes and crimes" our 'enemy' has. Feminists do good and bad things. MRAs do good and bad things. More equality is always good, and the best way to push for more equality is not to condemn and ignore a group's actual arguments while isolating yourself in an echo chamber. What I think is the really "stupid/dishonest" thing to …	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 08:22 AM
-2	Tweet of the year I'm not talking about labeling yourself in particular, but just the anti-feminist stuff here. You said it's a circlejerk, and I'm trying to say it's not and how we're justified in feeling hostile towards it. Do you feel feminists would be justified in feeling hostile towards MRAs as a whole? I would say in either case the movements have such a wide spectrum of people that trying to put the blame on feminism or men's rights as a whole is pretty absurd. People under the banner of feminist include …	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 06:49 AM
-1	Tweet of the year You can think feminism has flaws. There is nothing wrong with that. But when you label yourself anti-feminist, you destroy any ability you have to convince feminists of that, because they rightfully don't want to listen to someone who is 'anti-them'. I wouldn't imagine you would be very receptive to a feminist who openly proclaimed themself 'anti-MRA', so why expect the same? This is why your attempts to communicate with feminists end in them 'refusing to listen'. Feminism isn't going away anyti…	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 05:25 AM
1	After all the brigading that we had lately, there's a real pushing to make the MRM be supportive of the feminist movement, and I think that will be the day that the MRM stop being a movement for men’s rights. Correct, and that goes both ways. Feminists should try to get along with men's rights activists; men's rights activists should try to get along with feminists. This is a pointless battle of the sexes and it's embarassing that equal rights groups have been dragged into it.	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 05:17 AM
1	Tweet of the year If a politician or public figure is using an ideology to push hateful ideas, absolutely make people aware of that. Thing is, if you want to stop stuff like that, it's difficult to raise awareness when you use rhetoric than codemns the entire movement. Being an opponent of a movement because of people abusing it solves nothing. Convincing people within the movement that they're being taken advantage of can.	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 05:02 AM
2	Tweet of the year You're essentially saying "Give me an example of the men's rights movement doing the exact specific things the group I dislike has done". You're not trying to engage conversation, you're trying to make it impossible to talk to you. I have never claimed that men's rights is a hate movement, but hateful people do use it as a platform. You clearly know this, which is why you're trying to rule them out. But you also know that these people, summed up as alt-right opportunists, don't represent the maj…	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 03:03 AM
-1	Tweet of the year Didn't say it didn't involve sexism, I said the term anti-sexist doesn't cover everything. It doesn't. Sexism is not required for inequality to exist. At the end of the day, the men's rights movements both exist to focus on inequality towards one of the sexes, they have both done good, they have both done bad, and both of them love to misrepresent the other as if they're simply a hate group, or unnecessary, or do more bad than good. Favouring one over the other is just straight-up bias. I don't …	/r/MensRights	09/12/18 01:09 AM
1	Tweet of the year Don't act like there's not hateful men's rights groups that have shifted into male supremacy groups. If all we're going to do is point to bad things people associated with movements we don't like have done, we'll get nowhere. There's no reason to condemn an entire movement based on the actions of the few. If we're gonna do that, feminism and men's rights are both evil. It's far more productive to take into account the majority who actually do want equal rights on either side. That's my main prob…	/r/MensRights	08/12/18 10:52 PM
1	Tweet of the year There's a need for people to identify as feminist because there are issues that are specific to women, same as the need for men's rights existing because there are issues specific to men. It's really that simple, there's no need to get mad at the fact people advocating for women's rights don't use the terminology you feel is more appropriate. Besides, 'anti-sexist' doesn't really cover everything. I'd agree with you that it would be better if everyone considered themselves an egalitarian first a…	/r/MensRights	08/12/18 10:31 PM
-12	Tweet of the year It's a vocal minority, just like the few feminists who actually hate men are a vocal minority. It wouldn't be fair to judge the movement based on shitposts.	/r/MensRights	08/12/18 10:09 PM
6	Tweet of the year It would be easy to write off the entire movement on account of shitty posts like this, but there's plenty of people here who just want equal rights and aren't here to bash women and feminism. Deciding entire movements are terrible based on a few bad members is how we got the whole anti-feminism circlejerk in the first place, after all.	/r/MensRights	08/12/18 10:06 PM
1	Tweet of the year By that logic, none of us should call ourselves MRAs because of association with misogynists who use the cause as a shield to hide behind. Plenty of people think MRAs are all sexist, so why haven't you jumped ship and stopped calling yourself one yet? After all, if '#notallfeminists' is apologist, isn't '#notallMRAs' as well? Of course, the reality is that the majority of people who identify as either feminist or MRA just want equal rights, and the bad name of either exists because both sides en…	/r/MensRights	08/12/18 09:58 PM
-2	Tweet of the year You've got bitter people who hate either sex who identify as feminist and as MRAs. Both movements also like to pretend the other isn't valid and only exists for hate. That gets us absolutely nowhere, as equality isn't a zero-sum game. Yes, feminists have a bad reputation at this point, but it's not worth taking advantage of and cherrypicking them, because we don't exactly have a great repuation either. God knows how easy it would be to cherrypick here.	/r/MensRights	08/12/18 09:26 PM
1	Tweet of the year So you'd consider "Men's rights activists are sexist, because if they were for equality, they'd be egalitarian" a valid argument? Because saying that feminism is 'no longer needed' while men's rights is is definitely a stretch. It would make sense if you'd only heard about straw feminism, but a lot of people have only heard about straw MRAs, so wouldn't it be best if all us equal rights movements got along?	/r/MensRights	08/12/18 09:21 PM
1	Tweet of the year Totally agree with you. Too many MRAs and feminists have decided equality is some kind of zero-sum game and figure the best way to support their group is by misrepresenting the other as a bunch of terrible people.	/r/MensRights	08/12/18 09:13 PM
5	Even young Shapiro knows. That wouldn't really do much good. One fewer person on here who actually just wants men and women to be equal, one more empty subreddit.	/r/MensRights	07/12/18 05:36 AM
2	Even young Shapiro knows. Thanks. You make a very good point, bailing on the sub because of its problems would only accelerate the problem.	/r/MensRights	07/12/18 05:29 AM
1	Even young Shapiro knows. That's what I've been noticing. It's sad that people will use a legitimate cause as an excuse for their own shitty hatred while screenshotting people doing the same in another legitimate group as an attempt to prove a point. It happens for both MRAs and feminists and the hypocrisy is staggering.	/r/MensRights	07/12/18 03:16 AM
1	Even young Shapiro knows. Agreed, the fact I'm seeing this on my front page is making me reconsider being subbed here. Is this actually a movement for equal rights, or just a vehicle with which to mindlessly bash women and feminism? I really want this to be an actual, legitimate movement, because men face serious problems, but the more shit I see from here the more I think it's just a platform for people who've picked a side in the fucking Gender Wars.	/r/MensRights	07/12/18 03:04 AM
2	Teacher recommended me for a STEM scholarship from lockheed martin, me being a straight white male, how is this not sexist and racist? This post is for sure but I hope you're aware the movement as a whole exists for a good reason. This subreddit is a little bit rough around the edges and all too willing to serve as a platform for hating the other, but I'm still subbed because I believe in the cause.	/r/MensRights	29/11/18 04:48 PM
1	Teacher recommended me for a STEM scholarship from lockheed martin, me being a straight white male, how is this not sexist and racist? If you don't want special treatment, don't apply for it. Problem solved.	/r/MensRights	29/11/18 04:31 PM
1	Teacher recommended me for a STEM scholarship from lockheed martin, me being a straight white male, how is this not sexist and racist? Giving people money is as bad as literal slavery and torture because you personally aren't given the money? Okay.	/r/MensRights	29/11/18 04:21 PM
3	Teacher recommended me for a STEM scholarship from lockheed martin, me being a straight white male, how is this not sexist and racist? Unfortunately a good chunk of this subreddit thinks a valid strategy for progress is actively dismissing conversation about the rights of literally any other group than men. Equality is not at all the zero-sum game everyone here seems to think it is.	/r/MensRights	29/11/18 04:03 PM
5	Teacher recommended me for a STEM scholarship from lockheed martin, me being a straight white male, how is this not sexist and racist? The guy you're replying to said nothing about "women and their feelings over men's". That's just the narrative you're trying to attack. In reality, both men and women face problems and it's not a competition. People can talk about ways women are disadvantaged, you don't need to get mad and say it's sexist just because men are also disadvantaged. Nobody is disagreeing with that. It's just in the best interest of everyone if we care about problems faced by everyone, rather than trying to counter o…	/r/MensRights	29/11/18 03:54 PM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! Pretty defeatist attitude but that's okay. Doesn't mean you should be telling me I want men to commit suicide and shit.	/r/MensRights	22/11/18 08:08 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! "I want men to have emotional freedom" "Then you don't want men to have emotional freedom" Alright cool, thanks for your input.	/r/MensRights	22/11/18 08:00 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! Emotional freedom means the ability to be emotional without being attacked for it. So, yes, the exact opposite of what you said.	/r/MensRights	22/11/18 07:50 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! You already said that and I already replied. Here it is to save you the scrolling: I never said that. I did say I believe social expectations have a large role in people's interactions with each other, and that plays a part in relationships and people's comfortability with sharing emotions. To deny that male brains and female brains are different would be wrong. literally all I am saying is that women have more emotional freedom than men and that should change. You can strawman me, put words in …	/r/MensRights	22/11/18 07:37 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! Again, never said any of that, don't think any of that. Don't bother replying if you just want to make more shit up about what you imagine I think.	/r/MensRights	22/11/18 07:25 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! Dude what the hell. I tried to tell you 'agree to disagree' yesterday. Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I was taking everything you said seriously up until now, considering your opinions, coming to the conclusion I disagreed but letting you know they were valid opinions all the same. Now it just seems like you're mad at me and trying to paint me as some kind of enemy of everything you stand for just so you can stay mad at me. We're both here because we support men's rights, there's no …	/r/MensRights	22/11/18 05:49 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! Fair. I'd say it's worth the risk, but that's just me.	/r/MensRights	21/11/18 10:26 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! I never said that. I did say I believe social expectations have a large role in people's interactions with each other, and that plays a part in relationships and people's comfortability with sharing emotions. To deny that male brains and female brains are different would be wrong. I do personally believe that we look at and treat men and women far too differently, and that if they were treated very close to the same, a lot of problems would go away. I can see that you do not agree with this so I…	/r/MensRights	21/11/18 06:13 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! I understand your point and the reasoning behind it, but I still disagree because of my personal beliefs. I doubt either of us will change our minds, but we understand new points of view now, so I'd say this was a worthwhile conversation. Have a nice day.	/r/MensRights	21/11/18 05:48 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! I do disregard them in my life as much as I'm able, I can also dislike that they exist in the first place. There is a reason men commit suicide at a rate many times more than women do, and that's because of emotional trauma. What's needed is social change, not looking the other way.	/r/MensRights	21/11/18 05:07 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! Are they? Isn't part of that expectation because women functionally need someone to provide for them while they're pregnant? That's only valid during pregnancy, plenty of couples don't intend to concieve or aren't planning to any time soon and men are still pushed to be providers. This is changing, but it's still an issue. It'd be nice on some level, but I actually think it's getting worse, at least in the US. Women are starting to become more financially successful than men, but they still expe…	/r/MensRights	21/11/18 05:03 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! You misunderstand me. Men shouldn't have to change at all. What is at fault are expectations that men should repress their emotions, among a plethora of other social expectations placed only on men which only serve to disadvantage them. There is nothing wrong with a man being stoic, what is wrong is people telling men they need to 'man up' (coded language intended to control men by attacking their masculinity). Men should be free to act however they want, and they shouldn't be pushed in the dire…	/r/MensRights	21/11/18 03:47 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! That's fair, but some things, such as expectations for men to pay for pay for outings and to be a provider, are purely part of a social construct that works against men. I definitely think that expecting men to not be emotional is a part of that, even if there is some biological factor. If people just treated men and women the same, and had the same emotional, financial, and social expectations regardless of sex, I think things would end up better for everyone. I'm optimistic enough to think tha…	/r/MensRights	21/11/18 01:10 AM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! Absolutely, but lots of male behaviour is just due to artificial conditioning of men in ways that disadvantage them, and that is something that should change. Since you brought up attraction as an example, the fact that men are 'supposed to' be the one to ask people out puts them at a disadvantage, and also opens up the opportunity for them to be labeled as objectifying and sexual. In this case, there's no reason for the expectation to exist, things would be more equal if the expectation did not…	/r/MensRights	20/11/18 11:42 PM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! Nowhere in the post did it say "be more like women". "Man up" is coded language meaning "stop taking issue with anything or you're not a real man". You'll see it all the time on this sub when come into this sub to shitpost. "Oh, you care about that issue? Man up and deal with it." There is a big difference between being a man and being told to 'man up' or being pressured to be macho. This is going over expectations for men set by society and the condition that men aren't allowed to want change w…	/r/MensRights	20/11/18 04:22 PM
1	22k upvotes! Bringing some awareness! It's not things about men that are inherently bad, it's social expectations that are forced upon men that are bad. Expecting men to deal with all the emotional baggage forced upon them on their own is what's 'stupid'. If more men can get help for themselved when they need it without that making them feel like less of a man, that's a positive change.	/r/MensRights	20/11/18 03:48 PM
2	Ex radical feminist speaking up after his transition to being male I don't know why you're getting downvoted, thought this sub was for equal rights of all men.	/r/MensRights	22/08/18 06:44 AM
1	Rules for Sons Yeah, that's fair enough. Sorry if I came across as harsh.	/r/MensRights	13/03/18 01:32 PM
1	Rules for Sons Yeah, that's fair enough. Sorry if I came across as harsh.	/r/MensRights	13/03/18 01:31 PM
2	Rules for Sons It is frustrating, hopefully at some point this view will become more widespread. Good on you for thinking for yourself!	/r/MensRights	13/03/18 05:40 AM
2	Rules for Sons No problem, dude. Glad you like it.	/r/MensRights	13/03/18 03:20 AM
1	Rules for Sons haha, alright. How come you posted it if you agree it's not relevant?	/r/MensRights	13/03/18 03:19 AM
2	Rules for Sons So being "politically homeless" is just not buying into pre-packaged sets of ideals? I've never heard that term. I just call that 'sanity'.	/r/MensRights	13/03/18 12:25 AM
2	Rules for Sons Okay? That still doesn't make it relevant to the forum at all. Try /r/getmotivated, they like content similar to this.	/r/MensRights	13/03/18 12:17 AM
2	Rules for Sons Sure, but it's just totally obvious. It's like saying "If you jump in a pool, consider not drowning in it". It's not useful for people that already know that (safe to say almost everyone), and on the off chance the message reaches someone who doesn't (somehow), it doesn't give any useful information on what to do at all. Plus, it's just so unbearably cheesy. And again, not relevant to the forum in any way at all. It would probably fit on one of the advice subs, or /r/getmotivated - it's just ful…	/r/MensRights	13/03/18 12:14 AM
1	Rules for Sons Nah, he had a point. This is generic old-timey advice on how to be manly correctly, it's honestly just sickeningly cliche to read. "Don’t let a wishbone grow where a backbone should be"? Really? I don't see how cheesy lines like this are supposed to help anyone but people trying to sell shirts to dads on facebook, and it's anything but relevant to the forum.	/r/MensRights	12/03/18 09:09 AM
4	Old but gold Police dismissed her claims and told her to seek psychiatric help The woman then went to see a psychic who was unable to help her It sounds like she might have misheard the police..	/r/MensRights	19/06/17 06:44 PM