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I mean...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:02 AM
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AAAnd you blocked me lol. Couldn't stand the heat, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:53 AM
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So we both agree that you [...] don’t find your age match attractive. Whoa, what the fuck? We never discussed my preferences in the slightest. this guy don’t find your age match attractive. And I never even spoke on this guy's preferences. The ONLY thing we agreed on (that I agreed on long ago, so for you to deny it in your second-to-last reply is asinine) is that there is there is statistical trend data that exists in regards to dating. You're basically continuously misrepresenting my thoughts …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:56 PM
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You've gotta be kidding me. So you FINALLY agree You've made a ton of empty statements, unsure which one you are accusing me of agreeing with. after dozens of comments denying it. Denying what, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:05 PM
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Not sure what we're supposed to do that with that info. So what if he doesn't like his agematch?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:29 PM
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I didn't. I told you ages ago that I chimed in to cite that you were active in other threads but abandoned this one. Then, once we settled that, and you started responding again (which shows that you weren't abandoning the conversation, thank you for that), I asked you what the point was of citing the study that you did. You've yet to answer that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:08 PM
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So you agree I literally never commented on what he feels - I don't think I'm some omnipotent prophet who reads a few lines and then magically believes I know everything another person is feeling about complex topics. All I've agreed on is that you pulled up some graph showing surveyed interest of dating partners. We level-setted on that a zillion years ago. But since then, my only question to you on that topic has been "what's your point of posting that?" To which you keep responding by making …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 04:47 PM
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No one ever denied his post history, and therefore your meaningless claims about my "fEeLz" will continue to be meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:45 PM
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LMAO back to square one. You just made a completely unprovable and baseless claims about my opinion And re-stated a fact, with no follow up in any form. And around in the circle we go once more...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:41 PM
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No one got defensive, huffy, or angry when you stated that. These continued comments are only happening because your circular logic is; state fact -> make completely unprovable and baseless claims about my opinions on the fact -> back to state fact. So, let me ask again - what’s your point of stating the fact? And as an aside, why do you believe that calling some “angry” is some sort of logical win for you? Someone’s emotional state doesn’t mean anything in a discussion about statistical trends …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:27 AM
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Again, no one disagreed with your statement of that fact. I never even shared an opinion on it. What is your point about that fact? Why do you keep talking in circles?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:56 AM
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Why do you believe that the act of baselessly assuming someone's feelings about something is some sort of logical win for your stance?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 11:57 PM
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Ahh, great, soundbytes that leave out context. Yeah, probably the best time to disengage with you. Good luck with things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:49 AM
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If that's how you need to twist what I've said for you to engage with it, then I'm sorry. Good luck with things!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:10 AM
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Here, let me open up all your recent responses to me and answer them all here. Response 1 You said I was “trying to corner you” that was an assumption of my behavior. And since I wasn’t aiming to corner you, there is no logical or factual basis for what you said. You just felt cornered. I was just asking. Your initial representation of what I said was a straw man. It's a manipulation of the discussion, which is argumentative aggression. Thus, saying you were "trying to corner me" is a valid repr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:00 AM
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Yeah, cite where I insulted you. It's only now you're showing your true colors and are worthy of being shown how poor your character is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:08 PM
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Okay, so you're just a rude person. I don't really feel the need to continue talking to you - you're playing victim saying that I'm "attacking you personally" when all I'm doing is dismantling your flimsy logic, and then when YOU'RE caught doing something pompous and assumptive, you refuse to back down. You've decided to grind your axe and then play dirty. I don't really see the need to continue conversing with you, since all your points are now moot, showing how poor your character is in this c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:04 PM
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Will you now apologize to me for pompously and assumptively stating: If your goal was human harmony you would be encouraging men to learn how to handle being rejected in a way that doesn't harm harmony. As if I do not? A short search into my profile would show you HOW MANY of my top posts are of coaching social skills in a highly self-responsible way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:59 PM
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Men are responsible with learning how to handle rejection. Women aren't responsible for having to teach that to men. That's not their job. I don't know why your thought space always tries to frame "doing good upon others" as "labor." It's insanely narcissistic. The way you keep framing ANYTHING a woman might do for a guy as "job," "responsibility," and other words that make it seem like this massive undertaking, even something so simple as saying the phrase "take rejection gracefully." Your thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:42 PM
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And actually, funny enough, I literally wrote an entire fucking post on taking rejection gracefully LMAOOOOOO.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:28 PM
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Women who often deal with men being angry at rejection don't also then have to teach those same men how to handle rejection. What makes OP or myself the "same men?" Or, are you saying - because the redditor in q experienced shitty men, it's acceptable for her to label ALL men as shitty men and be completely unhelpful, even though she actively chose to engage in this discussion? Sounds a bit bigoted, does it not? And As a reminder, I never told the redditor she was solely "responsible" for teachi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:20 PM
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You perceive good faith as being perfectly helpful. False. I perceive good faith to be "understanding where the other person is coming from, and giving them the tools necessary to navigate their relevant reality." I mean, once I finally understood how much you carry a vitriolic view of the generalized male, it was easier to empathize with why you stated something so unuseful as your first comment on this thread. Finally found a good-faith representation of who you are. I'm definitely getting the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:02 PM
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I realized you're a different redditor. I think it's everyone's job to perpetuate human harmony. If you're going to comment on a OP's question, as that other Redditor did, you take on a small, microscopic bit of responsibility to them, the conversation, and wherever the conversation goes. So, I believe that in the same way that men are expected to protect, provide, and placate women's emotions, in the name of a harmonious society, women can take on a microscopic iota of care in regards to men ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:49 PM
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You're making a reductionist claim. From your selfish perspective, it makes sense. So let's just end the conversation here, you clearly have not even an iota of good intent for anything that isn't female.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:44 PM
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When we come to a place of discussion, and a person asks a question about the dynamics of an intricate situation, typically people who have good-faith intentions give input with the goal of a more harmonious civilization, one where empathy is the basis and a relevant reality is the primary focus. Not purposeful obfuscation and then admittance of hatred/apathy afterwards. But at least we got there and uncovered it!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:52 PM
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Read our thread of discussion a bit higher up. The person you're conversing with never came to this thread with the intention of communicating anything helpful. Their responses are strongly couched in hatred and self-preservation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:50 PM
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There it is, OP - she never cared about you. So you can do what you want with her comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:44 PM
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It's honestly impressive how layered your manipulation is in this thread. My hats off to you, because it's fun to debate people who are this insidious. Let's start at the beginning. Your first response to me: How are women not selfless in relationships? But men are? Can you list some examples. Is a straw man. I never said women are not selfless in relationships, and that men are. You're asking me to prove a claim I didn't actually make, so I cannot give examples of a false representation of my p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:43 PM
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Why would you feel cornered? It's not a matter of feeling, it's matter of the logical line you're following. How are women not selfless in relationships? This assumes that I stated that women are not selfless in relationships. I never stated that, and therefore, the assumption is false, so I cannot explain "how" it's true if the assumption is false. I am asking you to elaborate on what you said, and what the implications are, No, you presented a false representation of what I said, and then push…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 05:51 PM
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No, it's my claim that if you perceive my initial comment as teaching, you had some remarkably horrible teachers. This is unuseful ad-hominem, attempting to paint me as uneducated by attacking my teachers. This is also going to be a strong point of contention between us, because what you did was squarely an act of teaching, but you refuse to accept that reality. Ah, so talking about majorities isn't relevant now huh? lol The massive, overwhelming majority of men are not predatory or violent. It …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 05:46 PM
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Everyone is different. That's not a platitude. That's reality. This framing of reality is unuseful to understanding a wide-view, holistic perspective of reality. What one person wants and values will be different than what the next person wants and values. Your patterns will break down when it comes to individuals. This is objectively false. Trends have been observed of what men and women receive well and don't receive well. And those who are successful in dating align their behaviors to what wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 05:22 PM
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Speaking as someone who was adjunct faculty....absolutely not. Whichever school you went to should lose accreditation lol Is your claim that only those who have some sort of accreditation can decide whether teaching is occurring or not? Interesting gatekeeping - seems to function more to absolve you of accountability on your engagement with this thread than to give any useful representation of reality. And similarly, women from a young age are taught to manage encounters with predatory and viole…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 05:16 PM
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It's not my job to teach men it's interesting, because OP was a man asking a question about dating and relationships. You answering is squarely in the frame of attempting to "teach." But you've adamantly stuck to trying to focus in on a small subset of humans who have no dog in the dating/relationships race... how exactly was what you said supposed to be helpful? Why did you engage at all? On the thought of the "it's not my job" rhetoric... It's interesting - men of society have a ton of jobs in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:50 PM
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men bothering us So men "interacting" with women at all is now "bothering?" and not all of you take rejection kindly. So in lieu of teaching men to take rejection gracefully (something you see me do in SEVERAL of my historical posts on the subject of dating), the solution, from your perspective, is for every man to assume every woman doesn't have an interest in dating, that they're "bothering" the woman, and to just never engage? Especially when, in the majority of instances, women don't make th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:35 PM
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I have no idea what the average woman wants, because I have no idea who qualifies as the average woman. If you don't know, it's not a strong stance from which to comment. Would be good to do the quick google or ask ChatGPT to get learned before commenting. The "average" opinion on dating can be gleaned through survey data, swipe behavior, OLD profiles, an aggregate of interviews - all sorts of things. And context matters - this is a conversation about relationships, so people who don't want rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:19 PM
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Are you stating that women are the majority of dating-aged humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:11 PM
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I never said it was wrong, but it's bad faith. Things that are accurate can be bad faith. It follows the trend of the modern social rhetoric purposely obfuscating useful trend observance to help create a blueprint for relationship-seeking. Guys get this a lot - "everyone is different" doesn't teach them anything about what the majority of people respond well to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:54 PM
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A) You're trying to corner me into admitting that I said "women are selfish and men are not," which I never said. B) You're trying to claim that if I don't agree that I said that, then my commentary on the social rhetoric is invalid. If women are not behaving this way to you, then why does it matter what they are being told? Crazy question, feels purposely obtuse. Apply this to racism. "If people are not racist, then why does it matter that they're being told to be racist?" Do you not understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:53 PM
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It's just weird to assume everyone feels the same way you do I don't know that anyone did this. Again, we can follow statistical trends. When an obvious majority of people want the same thing, it's in bad faith to obfuscate that reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:39 PM
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What is your point with this crass rephrasing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:36 PM
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Updated the other comment - I take back when I said about the "valid explanations for stopping responding" - the reason why I called out your abandonment of the discussion is because I saw that you were active on other threads, yet left ours unanswered. It's not happening at this moment, but you were active a couple hours after that first comment that I commented on, but hadn't responded to that discussion thread. It is evidence of you abandoning the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:21 PM
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How are women not selfless in relationships? No one actually stated this outright. The closest thing I can find in my statements is: modern society tells women they "deserve" everything without any real selflessness in relationship. So I never said they're not selfless in relationships, I said modern society tells women they are correct to be selfish in relationships, and that they don't tell that to men. But men are? There are examples of men being both selfish and selfless in relationships. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:18 PM
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Frustration isn't really a good excuse for ignoring the fact that not everyone even wants a relationship A solid majority of humans want a relationship. And, when considering for my second paragraph - the primary trend is of humans wanting relationships, and thus, a discussion in good faith to helping people with a blueprint of relationship would be primarily focused on that majority of people who want a relationship. To base a response that's "meant to give framework..." on a minority of people…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:16 PM
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This doesn't really help the discussion. Typically people come up with these questions in a quest for a blueprint for relationships. The "everyone is different" platitude just stops the discussion from happening. It ignores that humans do follow certain patterns/trends of behavior, and you can act in alignment with the patterns/trends tied to what people respond well to, and maximize your opportunity for relationship by doing so. In this case - he might not be asking that question directly, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:06 PM
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Can you go into a bit more detail? Because this statement is largely based in feelings. What about when times get tough and the feeling of enjoyment isn't the primary feeling being felt? Because realistically, that happens as a part of the human experience. Feelings ebb and flow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:57 PM
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So you also don’t find you age match attractive My girlfriend, soon-to-be fiance, and I are past our 20s, and a few years apart. but felt defensive when your fellow man was called out. a) Again, I don't understand how a false statement about my "feelings" is any sort of logical win for you. b) I didn't even engage with that topic. I primarily was calling you out for abandoning ship. Which I promptly realized might not be of the best form. You also shamed me for not replying while at work when it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:33 PM
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About finding your age match attractive. I never said anything about finding my age match attractive. Read the usernames you're interacting with. My first comment in this thread (which I deleted, but you engaged with anyway) was that you abandoned conversations after being pressure tested. I deleted it because a) you're on a witch hunt, and have already decided on your world view from which you're spewing vitriol - you didn't come here to gain any understanding. and b) because I realized there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:29 PM
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Virtue signaling about what, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:15 PM
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Aaaand abandoned again, when called out. I'll say what I deleted again: This is your thought space's idea of accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:28 PM
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Why do you believe that citing a false representation of my emotional state is some sort of argument win? You still haven't said anything meaningful. I agreed with you that this statistic exists. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing here, so let me ask again - what are you attempting to accomplish?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:36 PM
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Lol. Alright, you're chasing down an argument. Let's go for it. What exactly are you aiming to accomplish with these stats? Yes, there is a general trend that men find women in a certain age range attractive. The reasons for this have been re-hashed a zillion times over in this sub. So what, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:33 PM
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Whatever "evidence" you need to cherry-pick and massage to hold whatever world view gives you the most comfort - go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:59 PM
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Nice, you seem to think you have the world figured out. Unsurprising of you to present thoughts this way. Congrats, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:44 PM
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Convenient excuse. But the reality is plausible deniability is a powerful tool of manipulation. So I can't contend with it. Take whatever you want from this interaction - good luck with things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:30 PM
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Interesting take. Did you read my comment before it deleted? Because, if so, you'd realize that all I did was state facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:20 PM
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No, I didn't block you. I deleted it, I had a comment but then decided not to get involved. Some people are just too far gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:14 PM
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Funny, /u/last-guitar-6532 was active four hours ago, but seems to have abandoned this conversation when caught in a lie. This is her thought space's idea of accountability, everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:08 PM
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Lol, victim narrative when it fits ya. Love the manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:09 AM
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Do we? Where are you seeing this? Hahaha, it's baffling that you can, in good faith, ask this question. Lying through omission is a thing, and for DECADES, the narrative has been worked to ensure that women's interest in the physical attractiveness of a man is either outright ignored, or minimized, when they're evaluating partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:07 AM
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And the worst part is - coaching men out of that habit of buying into the false narrative is considered a hanging crime by the modern social thought space. Dispelling the lies = misogyny, to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:00 AM
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women haven't been afforded the some freedom to express their tastes over the last millenia Funny, because this also ignores that the massive, overwhelming majority of men were also not afforded freedom to express their tastes over pretty much all of recorded human history. and have instead been told by men via cultural and society at large what to think and feel. It was an infinitesimally small percentage of the population that held power and influence over everyone else. And yes, they were of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:55 AM
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Lol if its thats hard to not be considered a problem then unfroutnately you are a problem. Aaaaand shaming to manipulate the narrative?! Oh my! LMAOOOOO the majority of you are the dudes that give women baggage 💀 No - because those men would be the top 1% that all the women flock to. Said top 1% doesn't have time to waste on Reddit, trying to speak sense to the PPDers who use shaming and manipulation as a primary debate strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:11 PM
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But somehow, all the traditional pressures on men are still alive and well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:13 PM
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Dude, if you really believe that the masses flock to a political party on specifical policies that solve serious issues - you're gonna have a rough ride with reality. Lipservice is everything in politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:08 PM
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Yeah but if your doing the same thing as the jack ass did wouldn't you like to know and change for the better? Problem is, you gain PTSD from the shitty dude and then think everything is shitty acts. When in reality, it's your perception that's broken. Wouldn't you like to prove your partner wrong? No. Why? Men want peace in relationship, not another mountain molehill of delusion to climb. Or is it possible that you are obviously doing the same thing the jack ass did? It's possible that innocuou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:04 PM
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I hadn’t visited in a while, looks like you’re right. But a quick Google search shows that it was archived. So does it exist? Yes, it still exists in archive form as a historical chronicle of the preceding sentence to where I quoted its existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 06:12 PM
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Edit: I just realized I replied to the comment a level down from the one I meant to. Apologies. Just as violent/ abusive men and chronic deadbeat dads find victims There's a high chance that this is significantly less common in the male population than predatory women. Society wouldn't function if the general populace of men were this selfish, psychopathic, abusive and narcissistic. And when men exhibit these traits and are caught, they are typically thrown in jail for it. In order for humanity …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:32 PM
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This is basically what you're exemplifying right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:18 PM
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It'll take some effort to track down the examples, but I'm quickly learning that it's not worth it to do that on this sub, bc people rarely come here to discuss in good faith. Better to just let you live your perception of reality while I live mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:29 PM
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And the gynocentric narrative constantly aims to frame them as angels.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:50 PM
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People use insults, because they want to insult another person Good deal. So we can use this behavioral trend as a data point to establish, then, that women are not infallible, contrary to what the gynocentric narrative keeps pushing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:19 PM
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I think we all know that ad-hominem is a very childish reaction. Just because there are people who engage in it, doesn't make it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:06 PM
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Pretty squarely non-sequitur but ok lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:55 AM
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Yeah, maybe we just table it, bc it's abstract and I'm tired and I can't really go into depth on the architectures of it. Just do you, big homie!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:52 AM
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Cool, if you don't wanna engage on this topic that's fine. But also: I reject your attempts to hold me accountable for things I've never said by associating me with random people who have said those things Isn't that... kinda what you did by using that long list of citations of random dudes' definitions of hypergamy? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:53 AM
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Convenient response.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:51 AM
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Then why is it the first response from women when men make a disagreeing statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:44 AM
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Apologies for the delay! My GF and I went on a fantastic weekend getaway. You seem to perceive this whole thing as an attack on all men and an effort to promote women over men. The modern gynocentric thought space as a whole does exactly that, liberally. The author is making a critique about a very specific subset of guys, that you just acknowledged exist. No, because she wouldn't use the "all or almost all" phrasing or talk about men in generalities in the quote. This is common in the gynocentr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:41 AM
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So it's interesting - typically people of your narrative do not believe that the tenets of "femininity" - as defined largely by men over history - were all that beneficial to girls and women. So, given that fact, wouldn't swinging the other way, like society is now - where the massive, overwhelming majority of "what masculinity is" is defined by women in young boys' lives and then the gynocentric narrative in adult males' lives - be about exactly as detrimental to boys and men? Like, if guys suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:15 AM
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Wouldn't it be "dumb" for a person to want someone taller, stronger, smarter, with more money than them? Mechanically, that's admitting a lack of intelligence and capability directly lol. This isn't the stance I'm taking, just that making an inverse logical line to show that yours doesn't exactly hold well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:08 AM
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There’s something to be said about one side being the one blamed for everything bad, and the other side being celebrated as if all their actions are always good. If you haven’t tuned into the popular western social narrative at this point, I suggest you do so and see who they’re unilaterally shit talking and who they’re unilaterally celebrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:06 PM
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Sorry I hurt your feelings! Geez. You keep citing my emotional state as if it's some big "gotcha" to your argument points. It's not, unless the only realm you understand is impression management - a common theme of gynocentric argument. Like that whole line about a woman’s job to bring you peace or whatever. That’s silly. Thanks for sharing this opinion - I suppose I can wish you luck on hetero dating endeavors based on this comment. Sure that is the reality you’re proceeding but it doesn’t make…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:13 PM
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Absolutely! Let it sift through the baseline shit that then sets the tone for the more advanced stuff. Once you read that article, we can discuss the more advanced topics upon which that article can rest as the basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 08:26 PM
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It’s cute that you know the word solipsism you’re doing a great job using it. Patronizing doesn't make your invalid point any more valid. That dude you linked to when speaking with other commenters adopts a patriarchal view and seems to think men are the real victims of society and women. Men are victimized by society differently than women are. But on the side of the author's "patriarchal structure make dominated social structure," perception of reality refuse to accept a) that fact, and b) tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 07:07 PM
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Women are repelled, as they should be. And yet, they liberally sleep with top-level-attractiveness men, many of which who exhibit the indicators of following RP philosophy, even if not directly named as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 05:29 PM
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I think the big issue with that quote is that the author displays insane solipsism. Women typically lead their romantic love with deferential respect. (edit: Every statistical indicator shows that women would rather be in a relationship with a man who has higher status, money, height, strength, etc. indicators than her.) So, in her solipsism, she can only perceive what men do to each other as "All or almost all that which pertains to love." Thus, can only call it gay, due to shortcomings in her …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 05:23 PM
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I think you’re misunderstanding it because you’re having a very limited view of the term love. LOL. Author exhibits an extremely solipsistic view of love, you claim that my view of love is limited bc I disagree with author's framing. many heterosexual men can’t love women in the same way that they love men because they see women as unable to play the same role in their lives as the men they admire. Which is an insanely crass and blatantly false understanding of the way men perceive the world. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 05:15 PM
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I mean I don't think she's meaning to argue that list is exhaustive of all that pertains to love. We'll have to disagree here. She says, "all or almost all." So I'm interpreting it differently than you (ie. reading the exact words she used). Language needs to be precise, the concept of "but you know what I meant" is squarely covert and manipulative. That's a much smaller list. The size of the list of words is irrelevant. Her whole (highly invalid) point is to make it sound like what she calls "l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 05:06 PM
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I found something that aligns with my world view and already has it written out. Why would I write it all again?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:59 PM
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See, the hate is so deep you think you don't have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:58 PM
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You refused to answer questions False. and posted videos instead. And videos can't hold answers?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:50 PM
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I'm good on discussing this further with you, you have too much hate to speak sense to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:48 PM
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That person never came to the table wanting to have a good-faith discussion. Follow our conversation to the end to see all the sickening manipulation tactics used.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:36 PM
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Why would I want to watch some manosphere shit? Ahh, and there it is. You just came here to shame and spew "us vs. them" hate rhetoric. We're done here, then. You've proven, over and over again, that you never came here to discuss in good faith. Good luck, it's typically a life of misery to be this twisted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:30 PM
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You want me to give you definitions when you won't? I literally gave. you. a. video. with the definitions. YOU are the one refusing to have a single semblance of comprehension skill and watch that video. They can be done in a romantic relationship but they are always paternalistic. Word, good luck with that world view. Nope. Great, so I'm debating with someone who blatantly denies reality, and then they ask dumb questions like Why can't you debate your own opinion? It's not my opinion that's the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:21 PM
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You tube isn't a source. What is your definition of a "source," then, and why isn't it one? It shouldn't be that difficult to debate your own opinion It becomes more difficult when the other person comes to the table straw-manning my stance. If you'd meant that he would respect her too, you should have said that. You didn't. I didn't say that because that wasn't the point I was making. You twisted my words to all of a sudden mean that the man isn't respecting the woman. You very clearly said he …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:08 PM
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Why can't you visit sources to better understand a stance? Or is it that you never replied to my comment to have a good-faith discussion? Certainly seems the case when you straw-manned me by spewing this bullshit then claiming I said it: And isn't it weird that he doesn't appreciate that "peace' through mutual respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:53 PM
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No, I'm good, thanks. I gave you sources for context, watch them if you have a problem with what's said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:43 PM
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What you mean by respect. The video I linked covers this. What you mean by peace. This covers it decently. When does he provide and protect? Throughout the relationship. You did No, I didn't. I even stated, in this edit: this is not to say these items aren't a small part of the love men exhibit. But it's not the overt starting point that it typically is for women. Not to mention, the concepts in the first video I linked in this comment, where "respect" manifests differently for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:39 PM
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What does this actually mean? What about it is unclear? When? Your questions are weirdly ambiguous. When what? When does he appreciate that peace? When does he provide and protect? What are you asking, exactly? And isn't it weird that he doesn't appreciate that "peace' through mutual respect? Who says he doesn't? Respect just means different things in different contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:33 PM
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Read my edit. to equate "all or almost all" of love to ONLY those traits is an insanely incomplete comprehension of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:14 PM
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Yes. edit: Actually, let me clarify. Yes, but also, I disagree with the author's framing. All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight men reserve exclusively for other men. Those traits she gave after that sentence: The people whom they admire , respect, adore, revere, honour, whom they imitate, idolise, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honour, reverence, and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:56 PM
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Ah shit. Here we go again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:39 PM
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OP's quotation speaks in complete circular logic, while simultaneously appearing too stupid to understand the yin and yang of the situation. The people whom they admire , respect, adore, revere, honour, whom they imitate, idolise, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honour, reverence, and love they desire... This is SQUARELY how women generally love. Whoever wrote this bullshit is sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:22 PM
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Let me know your thoughts on what you see in the video. Then we can talk further on some of the other items, like height.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 02:42 AM
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1) Welcome to the "pills!" It's a cesspit haha. Lots of angry, damaged people, coming here to spew hate more than actually come to common ground and mutual understanding. So, take what you can from it and be on your merry way, at some point the anger is just masturbatory victim mindset - from all sides of the fence. 2) That video might help you a lot, based on what you've said. Some of your issue could be from bad coaching of the modern gynocentric thought space, other bits inaction, and then of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:12 PM
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Advice is sold to them as the be all, end all. So I think this is a nuanced conversation. I've actually talked a lot on this sub about how the modern, gynocentric thought space gives horrendous advice to men about dating. This video goes over it all extremely well, but of course, I've been dragged through the mud for linking this creator, so readers do with the content what you will. But the other day, I had a man on this sub claim to be an "attractive incel." He just would not remove this block…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:40 PM
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Very fair point. All these things together simply increase the CHANCES of finding love, but like you said, the relationship isn’t rigid. That’s one thing guys need to get over haha - I’ve seen a lot of dudes who think life is like a video game where “leveling up” means guaranteed increases in power and achievement of goals. It’s just not that direct a relationship. But that said, the hard work is worth it, and I think that’s what the incels miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 01:05 PM
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You've been quite active since both my last reply to you and /u/bigmadlad's, and you have gone radio silent to both of us. This can be labeled as ghosting the conversation. It's exceptionally insidious behavior, because it shows you never came to the table to find common ground and end this debate with constructive goals. That's tenfold more evident from all the manipulation tactics you used in my thread of discussion with you. If this is the best a college professor can do, we are doomed as a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:47 PM
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You could probably learn a lot from this video: https://youtu.be/0jZVoxp5wHY?si=uJeAonIfvQONgURR
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:46 PM
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It's crazy, bc she keeps screaming "entitlement," while no one has stated anything about it. My hypothesis is that it's projection at this point - "I get mad about others not giving me what I want because I DESERVE those things... so that must mean that the only reason why anyone else has a problem with the people I'm defending is bc they feel ENTITLED to something."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:42 PM
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My only agenda is to make sure that others are aware of what men like you prioritize. Good, I'd like it to be known that "men like me" prioritize the truth. You keep trying to claim that you didn't say this or that. Because your primary tactic in this discussion has been misrepresentation and manipulation. But the very video you linked makes it clear that the goal is to get sex out of women. Sex is one of the many things that come as part of developing relationships. And that "hoeflation" makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:09 PM
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convince yourself that women exist for men's use and pleasure. Yeah, no one stated that or is aiming to craft that narrative. Anyone who uses YouTube videos on "hoe math" is beyond the pale. More ad-hominem, no actual substance. My answers are for young women who often lurk places like this. Gotcha. (I work at a major university and I know more about young women than you will ever know) Congrats on the job! But sad to see someone so responsible for the youth of the future engage in such insidiou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:32 PM
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That person is loosely engaging in a Kafka trap, where someone who gets upset by something is then labeled guilty because of that negative reaction. It's an absurd logical fallacy, one that works in the world of impression management but is generally a very flimsy debate tactic when attempting to get down to objective truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:57 PM
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Your arguments are weak. Great opinion, but you're not exactly the decider of truth. You haven't addressed the main point There have been several points made, by others, me and yourself (kinda). Which one are you labeling as the "main" one, and why are you presenting it as this extremely obvious truth? you have used the dodge of "straw man". Of course. When my points are misrepresented, I'm not going to argue in support of a point I didn't make. Society is not gynocentric because you cannot get …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:53 PM
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The fact you typed so much shows you're definitely taking this personal edit: educate yourself on the Kafka trap. Because that's what you tried to lay here, and sorry to say that it's going to fail, becuase it's merely a fallacy. You used ambiguous language to frame something as "could be" a personal attack, thus I asked the question. you're the right person who needs to hear what I just said. Ehh, doesn't sound like it. What's worse is that you haven't actually logically defended any of your cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:38 PM
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Men wanting to use women for sex and trying to bribe her into it, is not women being handed the world. No one said that was the case, but nice straw man. Women are individuals, what attracts one does not mean that it will attract another. But behavioral trends across a group of people can be observed. And some video on "hoe math" is not a source worth considering. This is an ad-hominem against the creator, not any of the points made. You, like most men here have some weird idea that because your…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:35 PM
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When you say "you're," are you attempting to make this a personal attack against me? Because... A) That's pretty flimsy reasoning. irrelevant studies What makes the study I linked irrelevant? speculations Yep, I'll admit part of this is speculation, but a plethora of stats can be strung together to create basis for this speculation. If you're interested, I can bring some stuff together for ya. statistics Statistics are a big portion of how to understand the world. Unsure if you mean to claim sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:27 PM
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1) Not as true in the modern generation. 2) Good chance that the ones who did attain companionship, didn't do so from a place of options. 3) Good chance the people who chose these lower-value men, weren't choosing them because they had genuine, burning desire for them, but rather because they were the "safe bet." 4) Good chance those relationships are the makeup of r/deadbedrooms None of that is really a win in my book. The win would be to have the options, then choose for yourself which you'd l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:18 PM
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Just another example of how no one single thing is going to completely change the game. A guy needs to: Get fit/muscular Dress well Build personal purpose, where chasing that purpose nets them knowledge, intelligence, and resources (money) Learn charm and charisma Befriend women Create social circles and be (close to) the center of them All in parallel. If this is too much, guys can decide to go their own way and live a life of celibacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:03 PM
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It was hilarious to watch the solipsism Isn't the fact that they changed the verbiage when presented with evidence of contrary to the original statements... DIRECT evidence of the thought space NOT being solipsistic, and considering for other perspectives? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 01:04 PM
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Been a day, OP's been active 2 hours ago, and yet nothing in response to this. No edits to the original post, either. I don't know what's worse, spreading misinformation or ghosting when they've been caught. This is what we mean by "skirting accountability."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 01:01 PM
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There are some things women display more than men do and men display more than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:59 PM
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r/thisguyfucks edit: or is it r/ihavesex...?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:56 PM
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You are not entitled to a woman Of course not. No one stated that. But, funnily enough, somehow women DESERVE the world for merely existing? Why can't men like you just allow women to enjoy their lives? Who said not to? There's lots of joy that can come from being forthright about reality. They don't have to justify who or what they like No one's asking for "justification," it's just an ask to be forthright about the indicators that actually attract them, and not the dumb "be nice" bullshit the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:38 PM
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I think it is a combination of the violence and the yas-queening that goes on. Honestly, we don't hold ourselves to standards because to some people, standards feel like oppression. Solid analysis on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:45 PM
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Which most of us already do. Way too much of an obesity epidemic for this to be true. Here's a good video on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:24 PM
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Does it? Because lies hurt everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:21 PM
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Parts of this maybe help, but still hints at a hakuna-matata perception of reality that doesn't really jive with the way the world works. I also said it’s up to a couple to divide labor equally, considering every person possesses different skills and aptitudes. Apologies, I missed that part. Issue with this is that I don't think relationships are 50-50. It's 100-100. You give your ALL to help your partner. Which includes a man doing those things around the house, AND a woman helping a man with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 05:36 PM
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I mean, sure, get indignant and shame, but it doesn't really help the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 04:08 AM
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Men also need to become more attractive. They will gain the interest of a larger set of women if they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 05:37 PM
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You’re partially right. It’s true that women who state the “secrets” outright are dragged. But, simultaneously, it’s an architecture of failure to NOT state the “secrets” for multiple generations and then create multiple generations of men who have no idea what the blueprint for success actually IS. Refer to this video, it provides a great breakdown to fill the gap of what’s not said by the gynocentric social narrative, WHY it’s not said, and how to deal with it as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:54 PM
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The other reason is that the gynocentric social thought space blatantly lies about how women evaluate men. If women were forthright from the jump about their shallowness, it’d be no problem. The problem arises when the gynocentric narrative tells men to be “nice,” and then said “nice” men are treated as radioactive. This video is probably the best breakdown I’ve ever seen of this dichotomy between what’s said vs. what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:50 PM
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We’ll definitely have to agree to disagree. Because the BP rhetoric you’re conveying is “no one’s responsible for anything,” and somehow magically the world (and relationships - just the one of several examples that I used) is/are still just supposed to work. Sorry, but to the people who have to actually accomplish the things that perpetuate the world (and relationships), that’s a delusion coming from a place of existential luxury. This lays it out pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:33 PM
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My question to you was: Okay - but what exactly do you believe a woman's job is, anymore? Because from the looks of it, your thought space refuses to acknowledge ANY responsibility to society by women. With the phrases: what exactly ANY responsibility I used a few vehicles to convey that I was broadening the scope of the discussion to something bigger than the subject you originally commented on. Apologies if that wasn't clear - but I also don't believe anyone discussing in good faith wouldn't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 11:17 PM
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Yeah I didn’t ask a damned thing about women’s responsibilities in relation to men’s mental health. I asked what you think women’s responsibilities to society are as a whole. Sure, it’s an answer, but it’s a reductionist answer aimed at shaming, so yeah, I don’t like the answer. But I also do, because you’re being forthright about your thought space’s quest for power over anything else. I think it’s interactions like this that work to expose the underbelly of thought spaces like yours, allowing …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:14 PM
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Alright dude. You do you. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:30 AM
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Thanks for being forthright about your thought space and its goals. I suppose we can put the ethics conversation to rest, because your refusal to zoom out is the crux of my issue, and you continue to not want to do so. So it's best to disengage at this point. Appreciate you taking the time to respond and articulate your thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:29 AM
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Try again, I wrote why I needed to delete that last comment. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1kmcnv1/women_are_turned_off_by_any_proactive_behaviour/msgupv3/ Bud, I’m having a conversation with you, not going through debate class. But you keep pushing for debate. "believe what you want, but" "I'm not here to argue with you, but" - you can't just state something then do the exact opposite of that. You think everything a Model UN - it’s not. I think if someone is going to state s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:16 PM
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last comment got deleted bc I used a non-NP reddit link. You read that too literally…by “argue” I meant be combative. LMAO so, you're purposely using imprecise language and then deciding on the precise definition when it supports your narrative. For some reason you’re taking a really defensive stance I... literally agreed with you with my first comment reply? And even clarified that in a later comment. And then literally told you to "do you," as in "no longer need to discuss." But you keep press…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:53 PM
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You read that too literally…by “argue” I meant be combative. LMAO so, you're purposely using imprecise language and then deciding on the precise definition when it supports your narrative. For some reason you’re taking a really defensive stance I... literally agreed with you with my first comment reply? And even clarified that in a later comment. And then literally told you to "do you," as in "no longer need to discuss." But you keep pressing. You have hardcore DARVO going on at this point. So, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:49 PM
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I’m not trying to argue with you proceeds to make an argument after being told to "you do you" and the topic was put to rest Lol. You're citing exceptions/generally inaccessible anecdotes of situation as some sort of invalidation of general trends/the norm. Sorry, but that's a logical fallacy that I can't get on board with. We're not gonna agree. And that's fine. Like I said, Alright dude, you do you haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:57 PM
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literally nothing in this comment at all addresses what I said. See, the thing is, what you said is meant to highlight/hyper-focus on something that can be very easily painted as negative, egregious, heinous, etc.. the central point is, women didn't have rights, feminism was created to address that. Correct - in recent history, for certain facets of life, it's true. I agree with you (edit: with those important qualifications), and am happy feminism has been able to establish rights. (edit: I sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:13 PM
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Yeah, I had a feeling you'd say something snarky as opposed to actually answer the question. At least you showed your cards. All the privilege, none of the responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:03 PM
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Alright dude, you do you haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:54 PM
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Sorry, I was unclear in my reply. I was agreeing with you, and in my comment I meant: And they (women) very gladly accept it ("it" being men doing covert things to get women to be attracted to said men), so long as the guy doing it is... "hot." Although your latest comment seems to be one of a very weird dynamic... I don't think it's the norm for extremely attractive men to not have all the options, unless they are actually expecting women to approach them... which, as we know, is a fool's expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:49 PM
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when men do it. As if it's even up to the men. Fun to conveniently leave out that dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:40 PM
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Y'know, reading this deluded-ass comments thread has me wondering... maybe we should leave this sentiment alone. Maybe we should continue to let people think some pie-in-the-sky unexplainable forces of hakuna matata and mercury being in gatorade is why people are attracted to other people. Makes it easier for the people willing to put in the work on the skills of charisma, flirting, game, and all that. They can chuckle to themselves while their romantic partners believe the heavens aligned for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:50 PM
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The honest ones gotta be protected!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:43 PM
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edit: good point. And women very gladly accept guys doing covert things to get said women attracted to said guys), so long as the guy doing it is... "hot."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:41 PM
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This sub is a cesspool of people who can't think beyond an impulsive and almost child-like level of intellectual engagement. It's funny you say this, because, on the one hand, your claim is: Women literally didn't have rights, bub. When, on the other hand, women have virtually always had the right to LIVE and procreate at the expense of male life. edit: a popular example is the right to vote. Sure, they got the right to vote, thanks to feminism, but then never had to then sign up for the draft. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:56 PM
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Ehh, the female life has always been more inherently valuable than the male life. This is based in biology. And therefore, all social structures constructed around that is just lipstick on the pig that is our basic evolutionary human instincts. So, yes, humanity has always given more of a damn about women than men - with maybe a couple sways here and there over the course of history at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:23 PM
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Okay - but what exactly do you believe a woman's job is, anymore? Because from the looks of it, your thought space refuses to acknowledge ANY responsibility to society by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:22 PM
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I think the fact is, we need to be honest about what attracts whom. With dating apps being the shallowest way to date, girls need to optimize for the shallowest elements of men's desire (something they mostly innately understand from basically the first time they started feeling attraction to men - so I'll skip that in this post), and guys need to optimize for the shallowest elements of women's desire (a concept that is purposely obfuscated by the gynocentric social narrative). It's tough for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:25 PM
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A contract that, when broken, typically heavily favors one party.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:47 PM
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Frfr. It's sickening that people can parade around this level of sociopathy so proudly in modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:45 PM
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I think it's self-sabotaging for both genders. It leaves a black hole and a bottomless pit of greediness in relationship. So while women would be able to get the companionship, it won't be fulfilling. And then, of course, same for men, they just won't get companionship in the first place. But I see your point of "they still eatin tho."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:45 PM
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The filter works. We might differ in opinion here, boss. What you're describing in your latter paragraph is late-stage free-market dating, a mirror of late-stage capitalism, where the plutocrats hold all the wealth, all the power, and write the rules to keep it that way, until it all falls apart. It's a pretty bleak, entropic outlook. Sure, from an individualistic standpoint, it works for an independent actor, when it's self-serving. But at a macro scale, this is how civilizations go from hyper-…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:22 PM
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Appreciate it! Still getting downvoted to shit haha. But that's true of a fair amount of my comments. That said, generally, the refutations either a) don't exist (the debater ghosts the conversation), or b) devolve into straw men, goal-post-shifting, shaming, rallying, innuendo, and ad-hominem. This generally comes from the more voracious members of this sub, and end with mostly me saying something along the lines of "okay, then I suppose our perceptions of reality are different" and bidding the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:49 PM
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Not your fault This is the important part of this post. Dads and healthy male role models have generally been ripped away from boys in modern society. They are all left being raised by women. Why is that an issue? Women's social dynamics are different than men's. Studies show that generally, women perceive agreement as the zenith of operational state in social circles - at virtually all costs. Men, on the other hand, see accomplishment as the zenith of operational state - at virtually all costs.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:38 PM
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Yes, people have individual preferences but some characteristics tend to be more in demand than others. I appreciate someone pointing this out. The "eVeRyOnE iS dIfFeReNt" platitude is wholly and utterly pointless, because we can observe statistical trends about behavior and human nature. OP could only write this post from a position of marketplace privilege. Where the commodity she's selling is inherently valued, so she has the luxury of "choosing her buyer." For most men, the commodity is wort…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:56 PM
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If this is wholly, 100% true, then y'all are in the minority. Every measurable survey done on this shows that the massive, overwhelming majority of people WANT to be in committed, long term relationships. Sure, the amount of relationships and families have been trending down, but this can be attributed to other factors forcing people to be in these non-relationship situations. The sentiment that you're posing is, more often than not, either a cope, or temporary, for the larger majority of people…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 01:17 PM
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The flipside can be an issue too. A "never settle" narrative ends with people being lonely for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:00 AM
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Posted this in another comment: She's loosely trying to say, "if men love women unconditionally, why are there so many reports of men leaving dating and society bc 'the juice isn't worth the squeeze?' That'll never happen bc by y'all's logic, y'all love us unconditionally, right? RIGHT?!?!?!" The issue with OP's postulation of this "gotcha" is that the general sentiment around this wasn't that the relationship between men and women was FULLY unconditional, and not at least somewhat transactional…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 11:36 PM
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She's loosely trying to say, "if men love women unconditionally, why are there so many reports of men leaving dating and society bc 'the juice isn't worth the squeeze?' That'll never happen bc by y'all's logic, y'all love us unconditionally, right? RIGHT?!?!?!" The issue with OP's postulation of this "gotcha" is that the general sentiment around this wasn't that the relationship between men and women was FULLY unconditional, and not at least somewhat transactional. It's just that the modern gyno…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 11:26 PM
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It'll happen, boss. There are some wild people here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 06:09 PM
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I said nothing about looks The reason he brought it up is because to ignore it is to present a bad faith representation of reality. At best, it's delusional. At worst, it's part of that constant impression management agenda pushed by your gynocentric social narrative, attempting to frame women as people who don't largely make dating decisions based on the physical attractiveness of men. The men you're thinking of - that have the capacity to even get a smile from a woman, let alone a date, romanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 06:07 PM
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Can't help but agree with you. OP is discovering the duality of impression management.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 02:26 AM
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Does anyone think these things happening to men by women isn’t vile? Of course the overwhelming, near-unanimous majority agrees that these things are vile. Is it that men, and by extension, society, protect women by considering these things vile Weird sentence. You're saying that we label these things vile, and that's the protection? If that's the statement you're trying to claim, then that's a weird sequence of events... we label these things vile because they harm the victims. That's how label…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 02:16 AM
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Please get the help you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:54 PM
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Hahaha, you OPENED this conversation with me by nothing but a bad-faith representation of men's motives and desires. Strong DARVO vibes here. You really need healing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:48 PM
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What I said was about ethics, but what you said isn't. I never said it wasn't. What I said was shaming, but yours isn't. I never said it wasn't. You're moving the goalposts of discussion now. Congrats, another manipulation tactic. Truly wishing you the ability to be more conversationally ethical in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:43 PM
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Yet we’re supposed to think of her as some winning hero? Impression management is a gynocentric initiative that is engaged in with the utmost urgency.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:35 PM
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You're just extremely advanced at manipulating conversations. So if you made it about ethics I never said I did or didn't. why wouldn't I stick with that theme? So are you now admitting that you did comment on ethics? Thus, your prior statement of "not making it about ethics" was a blatant lie? Appreciate you being honest, finally, albeit in a convoluted and manipulative way. Your original comment also has a hint of shaming Sure, I would present a social narrative that does the things I've state…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:24 PM
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Okay..? Great, you accept that you made a failed point. Appreciate it. So your original statement doesn't make it about ethics? I never said I did or didn't. You're the one who claimed you "didn't make it about ethics." Are you new to this sub? lol No, but I noticed that you're just continuing to chase down a shaming mechanism and perceive this to be some sort of logical win. Something that's certainly common on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:13 PM
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I'm going by what a majority of men who I have seen discuss the topic say. I mean, sure, this nebulous statement can exist, but without backing it kinda just sits there, without any value. How did I make it about ethics? Lol. By: I simply pointed out that they aren't kind to be altruistic. To make a claim in relation to altruism is a direct action to "make it about ethics." Again, I'm going by what men say...especially the men here. Not sure what you keep referring to, but still don't understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:02 PM
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You can't debate a person's preferences, or contend them, or disagree with them That's not what I debated. I debated your observation that: I don't think there's a problem with someone only wishing to date the top 1% I contended this by saying it squarely IS a problem. No one else has an explicit say in a person's preference. I also, as an aside, contended this by saying that social conditioning contributes to a person's personal preference. And social conditioning comes from people outside the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:52 PM
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I'm selfish because I think others are selfish? Interesting. You are projecting selfishness onto men en masse. This projection can be hypothesized to be from one's own selfish motives. Any man with other motivators wouldn't use their kindness as an argument against women not needing men lol This is simply an "appeal to motive" logical fallacy, and elicits innuendo and shaming as aggression tactics. There's no real basis to this conclusion, it's flimsy at best. Ethics has nothing to do with it. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:47 PM
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You took examples of the most egregious actions in relationships and are attempting to present them as the norm/status-quo/majority experience. Sorry, but it's an extremely small minority of interactions as a whole that have these horrendous things happen in them - with a small minority of bad actors, who are generally severely reprimanded for such actions (edit: and it's generally men who execute the punishment against these bad actors). But of course, "any amount" of these things happening is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:32 PM
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Okay, you posted a point and it was contended* - that's how the internet works! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:25 PM
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Oh well you posted a point and it was debated on, that’s how the internet works! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:12 PM
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I’m lucky to already be out of the game, with an amazing lady. I appreciate the well wishes!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:36 PM
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I wasn’t saying that as an attempt at debate Ehh, you contradicted statements I made. That elicits debate on the internet. it’s just my personal view That you presented as an objective description of reality. And I presented a different observation/description. Not everyone has the 1% approach And yet, every measurable indicator shows that, in modern, “free-market” dating, a MASSIVE, overwhelming amount of people DO take this approach. Just look at OLD statistics - a microcosm of human trends at…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:55 PM
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Ahh, is that a shaming tone I sense? Sadly, you kinda told on yourself with this statement. 1) one would need to have a hyper-selfish perception of reality to make a statement like this, with the tone of it being the way it is. 2) one would also need to be solipsistic, and refuse to accept that there are other motives and drivers of action, than the ones they understand, to make a statement like this. 3) one would have to believe that any exchange-of-value as inherently unethical and/or one-side…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:49 PM
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I suppose a hyper-individualistic social narrative (kind of exactly like the one I described in point a) would cause someone to have the kind of world view you just stated. So, I'm sorry you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:45 PM
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I mean, that's not really a defensible standpoint against the counter-arguments I've made, but sure, stick to your guns! I can appreciate the conviction. To reply to something you said, though: Not something that anyone else has a say in. Yeah, let's be real, a massive portion of attraction comes through social conditioning. This is why the "ideal male/female" studies done show so much variance across cultures of what's considered attractive vs. unattractive. It's why there's correlation between…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:43 PM
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I don't think there's a problem with someone only wishing to date the top 1% The issue with this isn't personal. It's a breakdown of society at large. It creates large harems with droves of listless lonely people. Having "realistic expectations" in dating - for both men and women - allows for more men and women to be happy with a relationship with someone "on their level," creating a balance of the overall population - allowing us to perpetuate the human race (with an underlying tone of satisfac…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:31 PM
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I don't think anyone's denying this. I think the issue with it is: a) a social narrative that makes women feel ENTITLED to these offerings of kindness b) a social narrative that continuously shits on the men, whose majority existence is centered around helping, protecting, and making life easier for... women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:16 PM
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short/average men in relationships and doing fine. This is not a win. In modern society, the sensible deduction is that romantically-inexperienced-men's status quo is to be taken advantage of, when they're in relationships. A few factors contribute to this: A modern gynocentric thought space that tells one gender they're "perfect the way they are" and "worth it" and "your mistakes aren't mistakes" and spews constant narratives that allow them to skirt any semblance of accountability and/or ethic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:59 PM
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Lol. Privilege is invisible to those who have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:28 PM
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It doesn't matter. It's a place of privilege to be judging what kind of attention you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:22 PM
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Why are you framing "serious relationship" as a goalpost here? Do women get into a "serious relationship" with every guy they find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:40 PM
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Super liking means nothing. Me: "here's measurable, statistical evidence that you're wrong." You: "I'm going to ignore basic facts in my assessment of the world, because my feelz are more important than the truth."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:32 PM
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Are just you going to ignore that accusing me of being someone who’s going to edit posts and then claim “I didn’t say that” is a personal attack, as well? Jesus, the manipulation of discussion is the only “defense” you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:33 PM
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You are upset because you can’t change what you said. What the fuck is wrong with you? You just ASSUME that the status quo is that the person you're interacting with is so fucked in the head that they'll just gaslight you? Jesus Christ, I can't help but feel sorry for you, if you've had such a shitty life that THAT'S how you view people you interact with out of the gate. But then again, the question of the "choices you're making" can be cited as well. You contradict yourself Contradictory situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:04 AM
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1) If you understood the basics of permalinks and quotations, no one would be "falsely accusing" you of anything. You seem to exist under the assumption that those not of your thought space are just liars by default, and refuse to acknowledge the flaws in your own reality, so I can't really help you on that. 2) Two things can be true at the same time. Getting sex can equal validation and attention, and getting pumped and dumped can be evidence of not being attractive. Believe it or not, physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:28 PM
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Welp, you've chosen your boogie man. Stay miserable, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:26 PM
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A) Do you not know how to quote on Reddit? Use the "Formatting Help" guide to educate yourself. B) Being the object of desire for sex == being given attention and validation. Unsure why that's so hard to comprehend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:07 PM
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I can't speak for that person, but probably because you are using wild statements to try to frame men in a poor light.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:05 PM
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Attractive enough to smash. Women find the overwhelming majority of men too unattractive to even look at. Which means, at the baseline, women are inherently getting more attention and validation than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:01 PM
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Because your thought space's agenda constantly aims to obfuscate that fact. With men, we don't sugarcoat it. But y'all always find a way to deny, deflect, and distract from your shallowness, in a precise manner that's most convenient for your argument at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:59 PM
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No man called your framing a "gotcha" here. You're the one creating the silly framing - your response here is actually drivel, with no meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:08 AM
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But when we observe measurable statistical trends, it objectively is: Indeed, male subjects (super)liked 61.9% of the female evaluated profiles, while female subjects (super)liked only 4.5% of the male evaluated profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:07 AM
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I mean, by their slippery slope logic, even doing that - getting "practice" - is grounds for expulsion from the genepool. "You should just KNOW." That's right, from birth. No coaching, no training, no guidance allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:55 PM
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For someone to be bothered by a person taking social/dating skills courses - assuming they're not just misandry/misogyny courses - reflects a pretty twisted understanding of reality. Ethical people respect those who do hard work. And it's hard work to go from socially/romantically UNskilled to being socially/romantically skilled. If someone is evaluating someone (who is, by all other accounts, an attractive person/potential mate) as less solely because they have this twisted world view that "it …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:34 PM
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Eh, I'm the opposite. Was left, became right, my dating shot into the stratosphere. If we took a survey, imma bet my version is more accurate a representation of what happens than yours is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:06 PM
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How was it that I knew ahead of time you were going to dodge? Because deep down you know when you're dealing with someone who isn't going to fall for your manipulation attempts. Did I "manipulate" you into dodging? No, quite the opposite. Your manipulations are being stonewalled, and you're applying the label "dodging" to that process of someone not falling for your manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:44 AM
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Why is it that the people with your flair always try (and fail) to use the same manipulation tactics? Reframe a response in bad faith Ask some sort of condescending question that leads into the moved goalposts or reduction in your bad-faith reframe Repeatedly scream "answer muh questionzzzz" well after it's clear the responder isn't falling into your blatant manipulation traps It's almost as if the only kind of communication your thought space knows is manipulation. Goes to show how questionable…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:19 AM
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You're not "asking if he goes shopping." You're using the above sentence as a leading statement to try to logically corner someone who answered your question in good faith. And then using reductio ad absurdum in the following sentence, where you cite "men's grocery stores." Manipulation of a discussion is crass. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:15 PM
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Says the person who is hunting down this microscopic minority of guys who would "go to self-checkout when there's a female cashier" and covertly lambasting anyone who tries to discuss the topic of gender-based avoidance from any other behavioral perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:48 PM
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Because for the last several decades, your social thought space has been on a witch hunt to end proactive interaction between men and women. And now, you're #surprisedpikachu that it's ended?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:46 PM
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You're seriously underestimating the amount of invisibility that the massive, overwhelming majority of men experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:40 PM
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Funny how silent they are about this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:05 PM
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It's not really gender bashing, it's more just extremely faulty debate structures and manipulation tactics as opposed to honest, good-faith discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 04:45 PM
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When has OP ever made a statement in good faith on this sub? Everything is reductionist when it's convenient for her argument, exaggeration when it's convenient for her argument, and constant disrespect to anyone who presents a viewpoint different than hers. At some point, it's not worth arguing with someone so lost to their own radicalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:39 PM
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She’s just giving a possible reason it came to be, not that we aren’t more evolved than that and don’t ever chase but more like “how did this start” Correct, she is not making the “we’re more evolved” claim in this case, because it benefits her narrative to omit that claim in this context. It is very common, however, for defenders of the gynocentric thought space on this sub to lambast evolutionary psychology in other contexts, and say things like “what are you, some kind of animal? We’re clearl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 12:56 AM
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And I'm explaining that these kinds of citations, in the environment of the gender debate theme that this sub is dedicated to, are used insidiously selectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 10:36 PM
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Yeah, it's really funny how evo psych is conveniently cited when it conveniences them, then lambasted when it's presents inconvenient truths to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:57 PM
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The women just said, "personal preference" This is a popular gynocentric thought-terminating cliche that absolves the party in question of any deeper dissection of reason behind choices. And, to question beyond that is labeled "misogynist." It's self-serving, but also self-destructive, because if you don't question these blanket statements, and shame any questioning, there's no progress in understanding towards reality (in this case, the reality that yes, women are ferociously shallow and brutal…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:43 PM
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No idea what you're on about, I don't personally follow politics to that level of detail, but this is worded as a loaded question, so please just make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:30 PM
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At the top levels of anything, competency is required more than anything. No one cares what gender you are when you're spending 16 hours a day in a lab breaking the edges of human knowledge. We also know that men gravitate towards things, and women gravitate towards people, as main points of interest in life. No one's against more women being in the top positions of power. But the top is a brutal place to be, and lonely. There can be variables considered around this subject beyond "misogyny."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:29 PM
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America will likely never invoke their draft again, LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:25 PM
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"Misandry" is the world you're looking for. Although the popular thought space might argue that it doesn't exist, bc patriarchy or smth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:23 PM
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In the spirit of the whataboutism that's common on this sub, let's not forget that the other side isn't great with rejection either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 08:29 PM
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just that our hands are literally full atm. It's interesting, because another common narrative is "equality isn't a zero-sum game." But funny how it turns into one at the earliest convenience. They don’t give a shit about my feelings or happiness. But they do - literally all advanced consent laws beyond gr@pe are centered on a woman's "feelings" about sex. It kind of brings the following sentence into question: We’re playing defense rn, and y’all are asking why we’re not playing offense. At this…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:17 PM
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I mean, if your best argument against a greater social commentary is that the person citing it is "throwing a tantrum," then we're done here. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:58 PM
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Let’s leave that behind us. But the problem is, your side of the fence isn't actually fighting to help boys and men who are now being left behind in this modern society. Which all goes right back to /u/3bola's comment, where the gynocentric thought space leaves men to fend for themselves on their own struggles, but will shift the entire structure of humanity to solve women's struggles. Yeah, I clearly think men hold inherent value as a human and you don’t. Why is that? I didn't say I personally …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:43 PM
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You keep saying “We’Re DoNe” and yet you’re still here lmao. Because you keep failing basic understanding. Won't re-hash again, since there a skull thickness I keep running into. Good luck with life!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:27 PM
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The draft is cruel and inhumane btw. I mean, I appreciate the sentiment, but that's not how thousands of years of humanity have gone. Men are, by default, expected to die in sacrifice for women's lives, and to uphold society. It's just the way the world works. No, dude that’s how it is for everyone. If you’re a human then you deserve a life well lived and supported, full stop. I think this is where our perceptions of reality differ, from the ground up. That's simply not how the world is, and boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:25 PM
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Because these anecdotes are constantly hammered as the norm of men in the gyno-centric thought space, which conveniently forgets about all of the normal people that take the hint, accept the ghost, and move on without causing issue. It's a microcosm of how the gyno-centric thought space ignores all the things men do to help build and protect a society in which women can have freedom, such that they can continuously push the "men are trash" rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:19 PM
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I didn’t miss anything…though. Lawl. Kay. You said I was trying to dismantle your argument but I just asked you a question lol. Sorry, but this - Whether you think it’s reductive or not is kind of irrelevant. Is a statement where you're trying to dismantle a comment I made. Man, it's getting exhausting to repeatedly explain to you all your debate failures and how the basic structure of conversation goes. How dare I not want to fuck men I’m not interested in! Yeah, no one said that. You've chosen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:14 PM
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I think you missed mine, but we can just agree that each of us has a rhetoric we're considering for. I bet you're a pretty awesome person aside from this interaction. Stay awesome, you!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:09 PM
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Not when bodily autonomy is a topic of conversation. It's funny how this is always brought up, as if men have bodily autonomy at all. From the moment we are born, we're hammered with the rhetoric that we're worthless unless we accomplish and provide. We don't live an existence with bodily autonomy - we accomplish with it, in order to provide. Our bodies are tools used by the ruling class and by the women and children in our lives. I understand that in society, a woman's sexual autonomy is consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:04 PM
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I asked you what your solution was. Yeah, and for the nth time - I answered, and you missed it. What’s reductive about what I asked? You are aligning with the reductive theme of this comment by refusing to acknowledge that it's reductionist, and then repeatedly asking a question I already answered. It seems that it's YOU who lost the plot. Actually I am part of a team called myself. I mean, this is kinda where it ends. You're proudly selfish. We're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 04:00 PM
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When pointing to superstructures that cause men to struggle, it's "infantilization." Yet, as is common on this sub, when pointing to superstructures that cause women to struggle, it's "oppression." Interesting how these conversations go.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:57 PM
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Sorry, I was saying the person you were responding to was behaving in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:44 PM
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I guess one would rather use these structures of logic to deflect than admit an issue. That's fine, just breaking down society or w/e.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:44 PM
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Whether you think it’s reductive or not is kind of irrelevant. Yeah, that's not how this works. You are pointing at my comments and attempting to dismantle my opinion on things. Thus, you cannot skip a part of what I've said and pretend it doesn't exist as a primary theme to the conversation. You keep moving the goalposts and expecting me to just accept that. I’m asked YOU for a solution when you were the one arguing about a “problem.” Exactly - that problem being how reductionist the original c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:41 PM
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This is a common tactic. Flipping between general social commentary and personal anecdotes whenever it fits their argument. "I can only talk about me" - well, why have you been talking in generalities until this point?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:24 PM
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You said the other persons comment was reductive yadah yadah so I asked what your solution was. Hun, you must've missed our entire interaction thus far, then. I told you, the solution is to acknowledge that it's reductionist. You still refused to admit that about the person's comment I was pointing to. If you admit that they were reductionist, and that yes, there is a certain theme of the conversation around male struggles being "go fucking deal with it," and that your dry questioning of "so wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:16 PM
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How is acknowledgement going to change women’s preferences? Who said anything about changing women's preferences? Now you're pretty much rambling lol. I urge you to give actual solutions. To what, my dear? You still haven't stated what you want me to be the only person creating solutions for here. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:09 PM
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Not being able to adress an issue for fear of generalisation sounds like a critical thinking problem. Hahahaha, man, the number of social issues this could be applied to. But, funnily enough, it's the superstructure in place that creates that "fear."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:08 PM
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Acknowledgement doesn’t solve the problem. Actually, acknowledgement can solve an issue of misrepresentation. That's literally exactly what it'd do - for an incorrect representation of something to be understood as incorrect by either the offending party or someone siding with that party - a la, you. you’re just yelling into a void at this point. The reason it's "the void" is because your cohort refuses to acknowledge the issue. The solution is either get with the program or get lost. This is va…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:06 PM
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Does that make it okay to shit on the men too? We could, collectively, be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:00 PM
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Umm well you’re the one with the issue I took issue with another redditor's reduction of /u/3bola's comment. The solution would be to acknowledge that this is the case, instead of goalpost-shifting and ignoring that misrepresentation. Why should I be the one to provide the solution? You're part of the team, and you asked the question of solutions, so come with suggestions. Just say you don’t have an answer instead of beating around the bush and deflecting. Funny, because you deflected by jumping…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:00 PM
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We're talking about negative aspects of dating, so of course people will bring things up. So we agree, this is just yet another thread of bashing men, with the theme of treating them as a monolith. Glad we cleared that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:55 PM
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You're asking the question as if the onus is squarely on me, which further perpetuates /u/3bola's comment. If you actually wanted a solution, you'd come to the table with suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:53 PM
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Where did it say anything about women being discriminated against? I figured you'd be able to pull together the internal monologue of "ah, yes, my world view is a bit off, seeing as women are more successful in what I believed was a man's structure, designed by men for men. And the sciences that are the bedrock of how these structures are created are dominated by women, and thus, they might skew towards treating boys like broken girls." But that might've been out of reach for you. I can cite fur…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:51 PM
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Look at the consensus in this post's comment. The major theme being perpetuated here is that these occasional experiences are the only theme worth discussing around how toxic and horrible men are in dating. Something doesn't need to be said outright, for it to be hinted at by a narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:43 PM
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Why would anyone else feel responsible for something that by definition requires two consenting people to participate? Yeah, I suppose no one that's part of any sort of team in any capacity should ever feel responsibility to the mutual goal that team is aiming for. /s - you understand how selfish a take that is, yeah? When one cohort that's part of a team is set up for failure, everyone that's part of that team suffers, and the collective goal doesn't get accomplished. If we decide that society …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:40 PM
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For every weird guy, there are likely a thousand in any given girl's inbox who "took the hint" and disappeared into the ether. But, of course, it wouldn't serve the narrative to paint the cohort in question as sane and reasonable, so we over-index on the psychos and say "all X are like that." edit: not to mention - the question of "selection skill" could be posed here, as well. Why are people choosing the psychos?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:26 PM
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ignore facts LOL, you have to be the next level of delusional to say something like that in this situation. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/boys-left-behind-education-gender-gaps-across-the-us/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/18/us-women-are-outpacing-men-in-college-completion-including-in-every-major-racial-and-ethnic-group/ https://www.forbes.com/sites…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:25 PM
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People have a really and habit of not accepting no. This is majority untrue. The overwhelming majority of interactions where one person ghosts are left just as that - nothing. But, of course, it wouldn't serve the narrative to paint the cohort in question as sane and reasonable, so we over-index on the psychos and say "all X are like that."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:19 PM
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For every weird guy, there are likely a thousand in any given girl's inbox who "took the hint" and disappeared into the ether. But of course, they're invisible, because it's the pyschos we like to index on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:17 PM
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This is unrepresentative of the massive majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:16 PM
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This is a reductionist take. 1) he said education too. 2) "dating" is the first (extremely critical) part of a series of themes that progress to the perpetuation of humanity. I guess if you don't feel any responsibility to that pretty important element of existence, then yeah, I can see where you consider these topics "two vastly different levels dude."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:14 PM
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Why do they always cite some obscure historical superstructure that's long outdated and pretend that's what's got a hold of society now? Virtually everything about psychology and social science is gyno-centric, the fact that the school buildings were built by men ages ago has absolutely no relevancy to how boys are treated like broken girls in today's schooling structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:08 PM
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The massive majority of "attraction decisions" are made in a split second when seeing a person or their photos. No one is calculating BMI in those moments. Also, you wanna talk "clueless?" This is the common perception of a "dad bod," from the fairer gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:33 PM
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Which is insane, because his entire stance was "wHo ThE fUcK cArEs" before I pointed out the obvious issue with that stance. Started caring enough to get indignant and nasty REAL quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 02:41 PM
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You just cited a blatant lie called into the police station, and are presenting it as fact. A review of Tinder messages showed the service member believed he was meeting an 18-year-old, the statement says. The woman's profile indicated she was 18. When officers followed up with Brainard about where the information about an underage girl came from, the statement adds, “she could not answer.” What the literal fuck is wrong with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:41 PM
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Worcester where the six people charged in the plot are students, there was “absolutely” no evidence that the man students accused of being a predator had been seeking sex with a minor Reading. Fucking. Comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:02 PM
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it’s honestly no one else’s business. Except when people make it their business and threaten your life for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:55 PM
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If your child doesn’t like sports they’re already at a disadvantage socially Agreed, but this “go to the gym” schtick needs to finally die. Disagreed. It's obvious that being physically fit - and at least somewhat muscular - does wonders on your ability to attract a mate. Your child isn’t going to automatically become more successful because the patriarch tries to make him into an Ubermensch No one said that it happens automatically, but there's certainly a significantly higher chance. women and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:19 PM
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You're going to get crucified for this. Look at all the responses. "It's not a skill, and if it is, it's manipulation, and means you're making fake relationships and deserve to be hung for being so disgusting." They can't even conceptualize that it takes a unique set of behaviors and - yes, skills - to attract someone. They also can't seem to conceptualize that using those skills and having a meaningful relationship can exist in unison. This is why the "do you ask a fish how to fish" question is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:08 PM
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It’s done a good job of creating an environment like this one, so I think the intentions of this modern deployment of the philosophy can be questioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:11 AM
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Or, as a parallel, have your life ruined for saving a someone’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 05:08 AM
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it’s not?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:56 AM
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You don't make yourself and your thought space look any better with this. So like, congrats on poking a few flimsy holes, you still haven't addressed the crux of his argument, which is "it's dehumanizing to reduce men to stats." “That didn’t happen; and if it did, it’s lies and doesn’t matter anyways” And that's bascially what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:55 PM
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Except the "shrill misandric feminists" are celebrated and given a stage in the social thought space. There's something called "attention real estate." Which is a zero-sum game, bc we only have 24 hours in a day, and most media celebrates misandry and labels any citation of male needs as "misogyny." And now we have multiple generations of boys who have no clue how to be men. Soooo... it's not as unimpactful as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:53 PM
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I love how it's meaningless when it fits the narrative, but so commonly on this sub people of the gynocentric thought space talk about how male commentary on women (mostly on the internet) is sooo dehumanizing and terrible and misogynist and insert whatever horrendous adjective here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:18 PM
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Yeah, and in the massive majority of relationships and interactions women have, they are not victims. But the gynocentric thought space ensures they are terrified of those bad interactions that victimize them... at every turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:17 PM
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I don’t, because those are common “stats” thrown about by men in the manosphere about men A) So you just engaged in whataboutism. "He started it" only works on the playground, big homie. B) Just because statistics DO exist that support a particular thought space, does not mean that using stats of rarity is any less dehumanizing. There are lots of things that happen rarely to women, that are huge talking points in the gynocentric social narrative. Even Hilary said "Women have always been the prim…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:15 PM
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So it's pretty clear we diverge in our handle of reality. There's a lot of "this is the way the world SHOULD work" in your replies, with a perception of the world that paints it as abundant and just and kind still, when the lived experience seen by most men is much darker in the modern era. Idk when you got married, but the rules you're claiming, don't apply anymore. Happy you got out when you did. I got out a couple of years ago, but waded through the last decade of bullshit and watched all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 06:19 PM
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If they don't measure up to your needs, express that. This is the failure point, because even defining your needs as a man is considered "misogyny" by society. For the last several decades, boys have grown up being told they should feel guilty simply for existing, that they're toxic, that they're trash... and then people blame them for not having standards as adults? How, in that environment, can one expect these boys/men to even know what their own standards are, when everything they want/need …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 02:58 PM
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Yeah, your responses aren’t the win you think they are, but feel free to repeat exactly what I just disproved. Good luck with things!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:51 PM
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this post is about men, first and foremost. if you see the word deadbeat and associate it with men, that’s a you thing. You are saying the word "deadbeat" in association with men, and then denying the relationship when it's obvious, and turning it on me. Peak gaslighting. i have no problem with taxes going to the well being of a child. But that's not true, because your next statement: i do have a problem with someone who is perfectly capable of providing for their child and chooses not to, regar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:32 PM
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so let one man not pay for his own kid that he created, so that all men pay a little more in taxes? “everyone” probably includes the father. the whole point of this post is that dad gets to bail and everyone else foots the bill except him. From context clues, it's pretty obvious that when you say "people," you are referring to men who abandon financial responsibility to a child. And you're calling them deadbeats, regardless of situation, just by the basic fact of them not taking financial respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:22 PM
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i don’t want to pay more taxes so that people can be deadbeats. And this is your view of men. Glad we got directly to the misandry so quickly!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:04 PM
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It's just broken people being broken, and why screening is so important. Women are significantly more advanced than men in soft skills and soft power. Given this, broken people can present as trustworthy, for a long time even, and end up taking down a genuinely good person through it. And society has essentially labeled any coaching to guys on the screening process as "misogyny."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:01 PM
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By your logic, he's part of everyone. He'll be paying taxes into the system. So he's footing the bill as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:50 PM
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The main argument for abortion, and my only argument for abortion, is bodily autonomy. When the government forces a man to pay child support for a kid he never agreed to, this impedes on HIS bodily autonomy, because his body must be used to work to make money that is then extorted out of him by the family courts and then given to someone who has their own self-interests to manage before the child in question. One of the core differences between an abortion and the so called “male abortion” is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:48 PM
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so let one man not pay for his own kid that he created, so that all men pay a little more in taxes? "All men" would include the father too. Unsure what you meant to accomplish with your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:28 PM
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In evolutionary history, children created in the tribe were raised by everyone. Hyper-individualism and the "nuclear family" is a much more recent phenomenon that we, realistically, hadn't evolved to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:16 PM
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This is just lip service, though. Why hasn't anyone (edit: from the camp who claims "equality") put this in front of legislators, the same way it was done for abortion rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:15 PM
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You make it sound like women aren't significantly more advanced at soft skills than men, and aren't extremely good at presenting as trustworthy for extended periods of time until they get what they want. But, realistically, what you said is the right answer. Guys should be extremely vigilant about birth control, given the social condition around unwanted pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:14 PM
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I can only see this being reasonable in an instance where both halves of the couple sign a contract agreeing to the terms ahead of any potential pregnancy occurring. Same with consent laws, but we decided to throw those into action anyway. Otherwise what's to stop men using this as a reckless form of birth control? I mean, the current situation doesn't stop women from using this as a reckless form of income. We know there are plenty of men with breeding fetishes What part of the internet are you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:06 PM
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It's crazy how much delusion can be casually sprayed into the internet abyss like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:47 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLWUU5wLqys
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:42 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLWUU5wLqys
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:42 PM
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I think this entire conversation has been you adding things that don't exist to my statements, so I say we just rest it here. I'm not really trying to defend statements I never made.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:37 PM
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We seem to be talking about different things here. Either way, good luck with things!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:36 PM
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I wouldn’t expect such a man to throw me on the bed and ragdoll me. Strong evidence of a dualistic mating strategy that most men don't hold. Men generally want the freak in the sheets to also be their lady in the streets. Women are more comfortable with those two people being different human beings in their lives. So I don’t get how such men expect passion and wild sex, when they are clearly inhibited. To clarify, men expect desire passion and wild sex. They are confused, when it's been given in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:30 PM
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Ahh, so your postulation in the prior comment is actually just an extrapolation using what you claim are "synonymous" arguments... that I never actually engaged in. Well, glad we've cleared that up. But, I'll respond to what you've said here: a) is superfluous. This is unfortunately not reality. A person's past matters. It's the only grounding indicator we have on what kind of character they are. b)--unsatisfied with his sex life as preexisting condition. I never commented on that, but I wouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:11 PM
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The fundamental premise behind your position is that he already is actively accepting an unsatisfying sex life because he's rationalizing something about her past. Said another way, you fundamentally are arguing that an unsatisfying sex life is acceptable if the woman doesn't have an unacceptable history. I'm struggling to see how this is the premise, as I certainly don't believe that either of those are rational. Can you cite what sentences I've stated that are giving you that impression? Just …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:19 PM
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Whatever helps ya sleep at night, hun!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:13 PM
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Sorry, been on PPD long enough to see bait when it's obvious. You keep having fun with your strawmen. Hope they're everything you want and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:45 PM
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Retroactive jealously can definitely be detrimental - and I think women experience it just as well. So maybe we do generally align there. Can I just pat us on the back for a second, for having a constructive PPD discussion? No name calling, no witch-hunting, no manipulation, no crassness. I appreciate you being a great discussion partner, and also modding this sub with your kind, respectful, no-bs discussion style!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:39 PM
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I mean hey, you came here to find and make enemies, so I understand why you'd use this self-constructed theoretical sentence as something to argue against.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:35 PM
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Appreciate the anecdote!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:30 PM
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If primal lust is what he desires, then he needs to inspire it. You’re not going to debate her pussy into feeling flutters. Yep, I agree! If he can’t inspire organic affection and lust from her, he can be mad all he wants, but it’s no one’s fault. I think that's where we partially diverge, a la my "partial agreement." And that's fine! So, your current "press" is more on the "next steps" elements of the conversation, and by and large I agree with what you're saying. He's gonna need to take action…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:28 PM
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But he and OP have to understand that women are not going to sympathize with a man whose main issue is his gf has experienced someone before him. And noting OP’s replies, that is the primary issue. Hmm... I would press this, since it feels like a slight oversimplification of what OP/psychoticmonk are saying. It seems more to be about a) not knowing about the past, the person in question not being forthright about the history, and also b) not being open to (or wanting) the same, explorative and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:14 PM
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I think the issue is that your advice tracks with people that have abundance in choice when it comes to relationships, dating, and mating. Men, by and large, as we know, do not have abundance in choice for those things, like women do. For us, the phrase "then just leave" or "then just go find someone who xyz" isn't easy. It's probably one of the most challenging, and also most evolutionarily important, things that a man needs to do. So while psychoticmonk's comment is crass, it comes from the fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 06:44 PM
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Miss me with this bullshit. Skill issue. First off. You saw my post and decided to respond to me. Not the other way around. You posted an opinion on the internet. I presented a modifier to have a constructive discussion. That’s how conversation works. Second. Being an incel is not a mental condition. You keep saying this, I never disagreed. You’re either trying to convince yourself now, or just arguing with the ether. I don’t give a fuck about “aligning” or whatever the fuck that’s supposed to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 05:27 PM
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You are now intentionally gaslighting and twisting facts. Let me break down what’s happened so far. I ask if incel can be mental condition driven you claim “incel isn’t a mental condition.” That is very blatantly not what I was asking. I ask for us to align better to have a more civil discourse. you ghost. I state that the act of twisting my words, and then ghosting when asked to have a civil discussion, breaks down society. you twist THAT statement, and claim that I am saying that “calling out …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:48 PM
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Yeah, you've imagined up a whole new claim and are now hard-charging with it, congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:54 PM
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As I presumed you’d respond. I’ll let you take the last word on this discussion, I know a lost cause when I see one. Appreciate you being momentarily more respectful to me than you’ve been to many others you’ve been interacting with here. Good luck with things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:18 PM
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Your post starts by insinuating that men aren’t providing and protecting. Then, you have consistently tried to use reductionist language and sarcasm to deflect any claims made against that insinuation. Beyond that, you stated that you’re more interested in finding men offended by your post. As if it’s somehow a valid argument that “if they’re offended by the accusation, they must be guilty of what they’re being accused of.” This entire behavioral structure and all the claims you’re making point …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:12 PM
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But they mostly can't... because other men are forcing them to do those things. So, protection? There it is right there. There are several other examples, but based on your interactions in this comments section, you didn't come here to actually get an answer to the questions you asked, you asked them rhetorically in order to create opportunities to express your own personal bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:10 PM
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That's a mispresentation of what I'm saying... seems common with your discussion style. I suppose I know a lost cause when I see one. It's clear that you didn't come here to discuss in good faith, only to vent your own bigotry. Good luck to you, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:03 PM
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I see you've been active and commenting since we last chatted. It's a shame that when a person is called to have a more civil discussion than they are at the time, they go silent. Just know that this is an active contribution to the destruction of these discourses, and, by proxy, society. Anyone who engages in this behavior is not a bystander, and not a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 11:29 PM
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I already answered you. I didn't ask the question - "is incel a mental condition." I asked if you believe it can never be mental-condition-driven. So you never actually answered my question. I already answered you. Being an incel is not a mental condition and nothing you say can change that. Okay, I suppose being underweight isn't necessarily a mental condition either, but it can be caused by a mental condition. Being a red pilled man is closer to being mentally ill than being an incel Interesti…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 11:57 PM
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You never actually answered my questions: What is your definition of what it is, then? What do you define incel as? Do you truly believe both of these things can never be mental-condition-driven? Please let me know. I'll answer yours as soon as you answer mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 08:00 PM
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Both Women and men have eating disorders though.. so this is asinine to bring up. You're hanging onto the wrong part of this statement. If they replaced "woman" with "person," (edit: or replaced "eating disorder" with many other ailments) the function of this statement still stands. Being an incel isn’t a mental condition. What is your definition of what it is, then? Just like how being broke isn’t one either. Do you truly believe both of these things can never be mental-condition-driven?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:17 PM
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You not replying is malicious compliance to the “sub rules” to avoid taking the accountability of accepting the guilt of misandry that you’ve talked yourself into. Either way, wishing you the best, and some hope. You seem deeply troubled, so I hope you find a more healthy world view one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:49 AM
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Ehh, 70% of media relationships are female-focused. So even outside visual attractiveness, males are not thought about my media.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:22 PM
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A) Are you accepting that you're a misandrist, by your own words? B) To abandon a debate before concluding is a very active contribution to the destruction of society. I made a statement. You were not accused directly, you were given an opportunity to correct your ways. You didn't abandon the debate, so good on you. I don't see an actual response to my question though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:52 PM
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You've been quite active since I responded to you. Your response would be appreciated. To abandon a debate before concluding is a very active contribution to the destruction of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:02 AM
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I don’t identify with any movement besides the red pill And I am saying that TRP is 100% misandrist Ergo, you accept that you are misandrist, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 07:22 PM
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Only a sith deals in absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:03 PM
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1) doesn’t relate to me, you are arguing with a straw man. 2) soundbytes can get popular. 3) still gonna ignore that RP can have misandrist statements, especially in the way you’re reinterpreting and presenting them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:14 PM
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1) I never claimed to be red pill. 2) who says there can't be misandrist rhetoric in soundbytes of rp? Especially when chosen to interpret it all the way you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:23 PM
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like being vulnerable and able to communicate one’s emotions and needs. The problem with this is that the expectation is for these things to be expressed in a neatly packaged present, complete with bow and a thank you card. In reality, male vulnerability is having a terror that you will die alone and/or fail your family and be thrown out on the street, because a primary driver in a man's value is to accomplish and (at least show the capability to) provide. And that's not just a sentiment, that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:33 PM
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You didn’t say “some women” act this way. I did say "start trending." At the beginning of a trend, it is not assumed that a massive majority of people cited are engaging in a certain structure. Furthermore, I even stated that it's not in any way justifying a "hate" of women in any way. There is no value in bigotry, but there is value in identifying social trends - even if it doesn't paint the subject of analysis in a perfect light. Women (and, more broadly, people) can be imperfect and that's ok…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:42 PM
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I didn’t. I said that it’s something that can exist. Can you please use citations when making accusations? And also - will you address the misandric rhetoric you’ve been expressing, or is that being actively deflected?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:57 AM
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Haha to be frank, not that strong, but I'm sub-6ft so I was def way more invisible than the taller guys. bench: 185 squat: 225-250 dead: stopped deads, but was at 315 at one point. More than anything, I was doing 100 pushups and 25 pull ups daily, that volume training did a ton to help my strength training "take hold," so to speak, and help me keep that muscle size I had (with a layer of fat over it that I shredded through alternate day fasting and very strict keto).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:02 PM
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Had an OLD profile on a bunch of apps - would get 1-2 matches a month. Got shredded, posted a single photo in my profiles of myself with abs. 1-2 matches a day per profile when I was super active, 3-5 matches a week when I was paying less attention. ^ Crazy thing is, the women I've talked to think even that is crazy low. The game is simply different for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:57 PM
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Irony. We be gettin' that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:49 PM
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Your analysis is that women are delusional and only going for rich and powerful men and egoistically not giving the normal Everyman a chance because they believe they “deserve” it. I simply stated that the entitlement exists/can exist. You added all the extra stuff. That is hate filled and vitriolic. I don't think citing that something can exist is any of that. This isn’t a shaming tactic. It’s a fact. To call something that is simply stating that "a certain social condition can exist" as "hate …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:49 PM
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Considering that you speak of women this way In analyzing social conditions? and have comments saying society is gynocentric, The popular modern social narrative/rhetoric is gynocentric. I find it laughable that you think this is somehow a confirmation bias. Don't know why that's funny. You clearly hate women Objectively false, but a common shaming tactic used by those who align to the gynocentric thought space. believe women are only going after the top 5% of men and only want hot and powerful …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:14 PM
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We only need each other in the societal sense. Then the statement "we don't need men" is objectively false, because it is framed in an all-encompassing, generalized way. And while women may not directly be getting these messages, we see what men write online every day in comment sections on social media. And it’s always a hateful message to the woman the men are commenting on. Again, seems to be a confirmation bias based on your own history. Sorry that this is how your world view was shaped.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:30 PM
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So this makes a few assumptions: Dating coaches are inherently bad (I don't believe this is true) The men struggling with dating are inherently vulnerable (This isn't necessarily true either) There are viable alternative options to teach men how to date (Would love to hear what other options one believes there are) Profiting from a service is inherently unethical (Hmm...) I'd love to hear your comments on each of these bullets.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:24 PM
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Your original comment The link in the quoted text isn't to the OKTrends study. So the statement you're pointing out doesn't depend on solely the OKTrends study to warrant its validity - I have a few things posted, and again, say "there are several more," and also use the phrase "behavioral trends at large" to account for things beyond the study. It's correcting your incorrect assertion So this is false, as you are just incorrectly perceiving my stance, and defense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:28 PM
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Furthermore, that commenter doesn't seem to realize that her final bullet, where the author is pretending to give grace to men, is very clearly just lip service so she can "check the box." Literally all of the messaging around that single bold sentence is unabashed hate rhetoric with insanely flawed premises. EOD, it's still very obviously a misandrist piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:02 PM
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This is still whataboutism. The male behaviors are an independent topic, and have no bearing on the female behaviors we were discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 04:38 PM
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By that logic, everyone is. Unsure what you aim to gain with this line of logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:25 PM
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I don't see men creating spaces of support for each other. Then you're not looking. We have had lots of spaces that are being actively actively dismantled. And I don't mean "talk it out" coddle groups I'm glad that you appreciate how mens' support looks unique. dating roaches. Dating is a paramount struggle for men, there is no abundance like there is for women. So I don't understand why the sentiment on men supporting each other here is "wait no not like that."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:25 PM
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you all Who, exactly? npcs? By what account?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 03:30 AM
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Main stream media sending generic positive messages is nothing compared to millions of actual real everyday men telling women repeatedly how repulsive and undesirable they are. Hands down. A) I doubt a single woman is getting 7-figures of interactions with different humans, let alone all of them being men. If we take male/female population balance into consideration, then they probably don't talk to more than a handful of people a day. I doubt all those people are men telling these women such he…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 04:31 AM
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What lie? There's a pretty clear discrepancy here between the two actions being measured. That would be considered lying in at least one of the frames of measurement. Them believing they think those guys are below average looks isn't evidence they wouldn't give those guys a chance I went back into the OKTrends study, and found the line you're refencing. "when it comes to messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve." Which means that your statement of : women s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 04:13 AM
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I did use pretty blunt language and accusatory rhetoric, I’ll admit. But there were no personal attacks, just an attack on subject matter. I’ll answer your points asap, apologies for the delay.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 04:52 AM
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Didn’t forget about ya, but will be mobile for a bit, so answering other topics before I get to you. Appreciate you breaking it out and not omitting or ignoring like many people do on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:45 AM
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women sent more messages to men they rated as below average than men sent to women they rated below average. Soooo… guys actually behaved in the way they said they would (walked the walk, so to speak), and the girls just… lied? Either outwardly or to themselves? Not exactly a win haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:43 AM
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🤣🤣🤣🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 01:38 AM
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oh jesus christ I'm not answering all that Then you have failed the debate. specially since you are revising stuff that's been discussed here a million times As did your points. If the OK cupid study was a person it'd be able to drink and vote by now Which means the stratification has just gotten worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 08:25 PM
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Glad to have such a great debate! Keep being awesome, new PPD friend :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 07:49 PM
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I'll look past the condescending tone you finished with, to address your points. But please note that it's that exact attitude that makes you lose any common ground that could have existed between you and another party. If you're fine with that, and find being pompous to be more important than being civil, then know that you are a direct and active contributor to the dismantling of society, not a bystander, and not a victim. OLD studies mean nothing because women and men are not free to choose, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 07:47 PM
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And I countered that point by saying quite a few things, which you haven't addressed. If your defense was silence, then we can accept that as a defeat. Thanks for discussing :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 07:28 PM
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You've been active since I responded. It would be ethically responsible of you to reply to my comment and, if you agree, admit your wrongs, or if you disagree, defend your disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:37 PM
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You've been active since I responded. It would be ethically responsible of you to reply to my comment and, if you agree, admit your wrongs, or if you disagree, defend your disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:36 PM
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I mean, in this context, "watching what women do" paints an even worse picture. The overwhelming majority of OLD studies - here's one, but there are several more - show a ridiculous amount of congregation amongst only the top 5-10% of men. At EOD, it's proven that women are at least just as shallow as men, and way more brutal about it. And inb4 "well that's online dating" - OLD is done in the privacy of one's own device, with no repercussions of any decisions made. Thus, it is a very truth-telli…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 05:45 PM
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So if I find someone beautiful that you don't who gets to decide which person's "truth" matters more? It's not a matter of "mattering." The truth kinda just exists. You're moving the goalposts. A person who has 100 men line up for her on the "market" doesn't automatically have a better life or more value than someone who has 3. The terms "better life" and "more value" that you're using are nebulous, and not directly related to the discussion we were having - moving the goalposts more. All that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 04:38 PM
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Sorry, I simply don’t agree that beautiful young people with illnesses are rare enough to be an edge case. Okay, well, we can disagree on that. I can't get behind the idea that generally uncommon exceptions disqualify the norm. I think it’s more accurate to say that society has decided that beauty is a variety of attributes that are correlated with but not directly predictors of health. I can get behind that, although we can remove "but not directly predictors" because, functionally, that is cit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:46 PM
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Why do you assume that your "truth" exactly matches other people's truth? Ahhh, so this might be a point of huge divergence for us. There is no such thing as "your truth" or "my truth." There is "the truth." And, in the case of social factors, "truth" is set by what is most commonly accepted at a macro scale, across humanity, or at least the social context of a particular cultural market. I can grantee you that we disagree on the "truth" about a lot of things If you do not believe in a single, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:38 PM
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This feels like a false dichotomy. That's fair. "Wholesome and supportive" can include lighting a fire under one's ass, and there's no reason it couldn't. You're correct. Maybe support each other by lighting a fire under each other's asses for wholesome causes So, I think here is where there might be some divergence. You use a key phrase... "wholesome causes." "Wholesome" is a relative term, because to men, that includes becoming "better." Well, what does it mean to become a "better" man? One th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:33 PM
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most of the attributes that make up conventional ideals of beauty are correlated to health Which is why, on a first impression basis, we use the correlations to make judgements of humans. but they aren’t linked that directly either. Correlation is a statistical indicator that we can go by. A beautiful woman with type I diabetes or anorexia or a brain tumor is objectively unhealthy This is pretty rare, and honestly fallacious to bring up in this context. Edge cases don't really deconstruct the st…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:08 PM
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If you can't see any beauty in things or people who aren't near perfect that is fine Beauty in things that aren't near perfect can exist, and be visible, this isn't a statement I ever said or agreed with. if others can why not just let them? I can. But I just don't commend lying. I just don't get why it bugs men when women are nice to each other Men tend to value truth, being nice is secondary (albeit can still be valuable and done in alignment with truth). Sounds like you are of the camp where …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:02 PM
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Just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 08:32 PM
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Do you have no positive opinions of your friends? I have very positive opinions of my friends! Why do you think it's automatically a lie? The general consensus in society is that being unhealthy is a huge detractor from overall beauty. Overweightness is one (very visible) indicator of unhealthiness. I would be a lie-through-omission to tell someone that they are "beautiful," in generality, when their general beauty is actually being marred by a huge detractor to their beauty. Any social narrativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:59 PM
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Gender percentages of the world population have stayed consistent You're right, but this is a non-sequitur statement, because no one questioned gender percentages or cited relevance to a fertility crisis. birth rate is still increasing. That's objectively false. Source 2 Its getting harder to live in 1st world countries and less people are having kids because of it thats the answer. It's true that this is disproportionately affecting the first world... but this is exactly where "the bar is on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:54 PM
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Maybe because men tend to berate women online. A) For every "berate," there are multiples more examples of media published to "uplift" women in modern society. And beyond frequency, the attention real estate taken up by those "uplift women" narratives is dramatically higher than the attention real estate taken up by the "berating." That is, i. more popular influencers uplift women than berate men, and ii. uplift women messaging gets more shares, more likes, more views, and more attention. B) Als…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:46 PM
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Where'd you go? To abandon the discussion when called out on a logical fallacy admits unsavory intention. Would love for you to follow up and prove that you aren't actually emulating (or being) an unethical person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:13 PM
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Thats what "your side of the fence" argues when they go off about "responsibility". Is it, or is this just another misconstrual? We can agree to disagree on this point, unless you have specific indicators in which this is the general theme of "my side of the fence..." unsure what side you think I'm on haha. It's always about sexual appeasement Again, let me know where! you cant backtrack when it implicates you. This statement would have to sit on the premise that you can prove the other two. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 06:02 PM
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And yet you are as dependent on those very men for your own protection This is true. but exempt yourself from the social "responsibility" of fulfilling their sexual desires. A) I don't agree that this is a social responsibility? B) They're majority straight, they wouldn't want me. Not exactly sure what you aimed to achieve with that sentence. None of these "needs" are gendered. What "needs?" Responsibility isnt gendered. There are flavors of gendered issues that have gendered elements of respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:53 PM
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we do that to our friends because we like our friends. Soooo you lie to your friends? Some friend lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:47 PM
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So here's where the nuance comes in. For decades, that "deserve" phrase has been used for women's desires. "You deserve everything." Combine that with the "men are trash" rhetoric, and you get a society that starts moving towards two things: entitlement, where people falsely believe they "deserve" to be given things, and won't settle for less Shame, that then materializes into giving the "deserved" thing when they truly don't deserve it in the first place. Examples include: Women "deserving" com…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 04:35 PM
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I'm saying that whole idea of "deserve" is dumb, and yet, it's touted hard by the gynocentric thought space towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:52 PM
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let it all burn. Username checks out. I don’t mean this as a flex… But for real man, if I didn’t have my extremely sane, smart, driven, kind, sweet, loving, caring, empathetic, accountable, beautiful girlfriend, the people (and namely the ones who argue for the gynocentric stances… who tend to be women) on this sub would lead me to believe that we are utterly and completely fucked in the level of narcissism, manipulation, and blatant psychopathy and/or insanity that’s rampant (and celebrated) in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:49 AM
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But it's bad when guys do it, and "empowerment" when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 09:19 PM
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I'll answer both your replies here. I don't need men because I don't want anything except freedom. Freedom is afforded to you by men who keep bad actors away from taking your freedoms. Protection is not freedom But it is. because no one protects you from the "protectors". You seem to be speaking from the anecdote of being a child abuse victim. The massive majority of "protectors" don't need to be protected from. Self defense weapons provide freedom Who manufactures those? Who does the manual lab…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 09:18 PM
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I wouldn't go so far as to pin this lack of clarity on "any woman," because I have personally met (and dearly held on to) women who "can see the forest for the trees," so to speak, in my life. Some do exist who can see the stratification, who empathize, and who are sound in their perception of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 09:07 PM
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We have a fertility crisis happening in most of the world, and that's going to make us go extinct, but the popular social narrative has decided that it's misogynist to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:58 PM
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You missed a lot of topics we had been touching on, but only one where I actually asked you a question. So that's the only one I'll point in this "things you missed" post You dismiss the fact that women are more likely to be depressed wait, didn't you just say We are and never will be accountable for your feelings. So like, by your own logic, who's responsible for that hmmmmm? (edit: I'm not saying this is sound logic. I'm simply calling out your logical fallacy. Of course depression can be affe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:53 PM
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I don't care if men support my cause. You might say that, but you objectively need to care if men support your cause - because they will be the ones carrying out the force your cause requires to get what you want/need. I would rather have freedom Protected by who? Yep, men! and responsibility for my own protection Okay, but that's not how it works. than deal with the problems you dismiss No one dismissed them, I'm just saying they're not supportive of your side of the fence's overarching narrati…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:45 PM
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Of course I'm happy to argue with a misogynist such as yourself. I'm not a misogynist. I truly love women - the good ones. Based on your manipulative argument style, it's clear that you are not a good person, so I'm afraid I can't love you. You dismiss the fact that women are more likely to be depressed wait, didn't you just say We are and never will be accountable for your feelings. So like, by your own logic, who's responsible for that hmmmmm? attempt suicide by the same means they use to comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:32 PM
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Everyone who disagrees with you is "manipulative". People who use copious logical fallacies in argument with me are manipulative. I've had very great debates with people who bring sound logic to the table, without misrepresenting my points or asking bad faith leading q's. But this is not one of those cases. But you prove my point. What point? You've tried to make a lot, and I'm not sure any have landed the way you think they have. In spite of the support they get from other men But don't get fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:22 PM
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Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. Direct contradiction to: If people say things you don't like (and men say a lot of things I don't like), have standards for the quality of information you consume. Violence against women, including maternal mortality, will never go away Violence against everyone will never go away, because there are bad actors. no matter how much men want to flatter themselves as protectors Condescending comment (again, losing men), but also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:14 PM
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Yes the effect (feelings) are entirely your own jurisdiction. And yet, your side of the fence constantly blames men for women's feelings. No one will ever have responsibility for it but you. That's not the agenda your thought space pushes. It's the man's fault when women have bad feelz. A social media anecdote proves my point. How so? If people say things you don't like (and men say a lot of things I don't like), have standards for the quality of information you consume. This goes directly again…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:10 PM
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Lol, salt bug is salty, chasing down all my comments, hmm? Womens suicide (and homicide) are affected by their aversion to risk and physical violence. Debatable. Could also be because they actually live way less dreary lives than su!cide-risk men. Because society is constructed around protecting them. But men have no problem raping women in the military. This is false in majority. Men at large DO have a problem with that kind of heinous behavior. It's not the norm of reality. This is cherry-pick…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:06 PM
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Nothing is stopping you from providing this luxury to other men. That's what the manosphere is doing lol. Even the influencers they follow don't provide support. They do, they just do it in a different way. And, unfortunately, have a lot of shitty messaging (or at least, messaging that can be soundbyted into shitty messaging) in there as well. we're used to the hate tbh Very microscopic amounts of the population hate women. And they're crucified if they do. It's easy to hate manipulation, though…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:59 PM
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You don't support us. False. We can't ask you to do anything good for us And yet, you do. because we're busy dealing with all the bad things done to us. Which, compared to the overwhelming majority of things that happen to you, are a small amount compared to the good. Society is built around protecting female life. Meanwhile you want us to do for you what you would never do for another men. Actually, that's exactly what we do. We hear each other out, we listen to each other, and other men have b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:56 PM
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We are and never will be accountable for your feelings. And therein lies the main problem. You simply can't even conceptualize that your actions will have an affect, and that you can be held accountable for your actions. Men are crucified for affecting womens' feelings all the time, Just look at this prime example of how a woman talks shit, then gets blasted back, and everyone makes the MAN look like an asshole. Saying "we aren't accountable for the effect we have on you" is absurd logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:52 PM
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This is called a Kafka trap, and it's a logical fallacy. You're continuing to act in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:25 PM
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What lived experience? Which? The lived experience that modern media bombards women with entitlement messages, and bombards men with "you're worthless" messages. Am I supposed to bend over backwards for you because of your algorithm? No, and I don't know why you would ask this bad-faith question. My side didn’t lose men. You did. Men are responsible for what they do And your side is responsible for how they communicate to men the men who care about me still do Glad you have men who care about yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:23 PM
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Because that's a non-sequitur question, in bad faith, like all your questions. You citing your mood isn't valuable in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:17 PM
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Of course, you don't cite the questions you're referring to. Please cite if you want to have any sort of meaningful discussion - you don't. You asked the first, vitriolic, false binary, misrepresentative question. because being a good person is a naaah I need to gain something?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:14 PM
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Another point - I said something, without emotion in it (even though you have lied and claimed that I was "giving an emotional rant,") - and you thought the best plan of action was to not take your own advice, and devolve to insults. Soooo - you're guilty of being emotional and it causing damage to the discussion. I'd recommend you take ownership of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:12 PM
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You didn’t cite anything. It was an emotional rant. Denying and minimizing the lived experience. That's why your side lost men. The algorithm Scapegoating so no accountability need to be taken by the people who push the lived experience I stated above. That's why your side lost men. It’s not a reflection of the real world Denying and minimizing the lived experience. That's why your side lost men. If your side of the fence comes talking about why women suck That's not what was said. That's a fals…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:04 PM
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It’s hard to listen when you start off combative and accusatory. Funny of you to to that, when your first comment to me was a condescending You’re so mad🤣🤣 After I cited a pretty obvious trend about the messaging common in the popular modern social thought space. So, funny that you're the one to lecture me about this. you will have to provide evidence. Is this entire thread not evidence? Everyone arguing for your side of the fence came with derogatory comments, and then started the blame shiftin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:55 PM
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I LITERALLY FUCKING DID WHAT THE LITERAL FUCK
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:31 PM
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Because your horrendous questions are not in good faith. why do as women need to teach ADULT men how to be good I never said women need to teach adult men to be good. Are you not suppose to know already as a person how to be a good one as a full adult? When your thought space pushes "man bad," with a flimsy and useless model of "good man" that doesn't even consider for the reality of how men are evaluated, then the message of how to be "good" gets lost. And it's not just women who did this, its …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:30 PM
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What problems are there that women can do anything about? The problem that people like you don't actually listen to the gripes men share, and then deny and deflect them when they do cite them. For some reason, you absolutely must try to chase down "evidence" on these things (which you promptly try to dismantle), and then expect us to take your claims about "grifters" and whatever the fuck else as gospel. Please, please, PLEASE reach into the deepest parts of your brain to find the cognitive func…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:24 PM
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Hahaha I swear it's like talking to a fucking brick wall that doesn't understand the basics of following logical points down a line, and can only move goalposts, misrepresent, obfuscate, deny, lie, and lambast. I'm simply going to continue to say - your attitude in all these posts is exactly why your side of the fence lost men. If you can't comprehend that, then that's on you at this point, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:15 PM
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You keep blaming average women for not fucking with average men Dude, what the fuck, it's like y'all are literally just parrots who spout the same mindless shit over and over. I cannot comprehend why you think this is a defense. A) EVERYONE SHARES BLAME for society going to shit. Yes, women included. B) That said, no one is telling women to open their legs for every Tom, Dick, and Harry. You oversimplify and misrepresent the message over and over and over - I swear, are all of you just the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:10 PM
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what do you do to support women?? Virtually all of society is structured to support women. Why don't women k!ll themselves at nearly the rate that men do? Why don't women die in war? Why is it that when women are in trouble, it's the largely MALE police force that comes to their rescue? Why is it that when your car breaks down, it's the largely MALE mechanics that fix your car? Who does the mining for the raw materials that are then refined into the pink products you buy? Who builds our roads, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 06:00 PM
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What denial and deflection though? Nobody has demonized an entire gender. You’re mad at nothing arguing with strawmen you created in your head. And of course, you turn this into a war on women by so excitedly running to "misogynistic media." Those types that decided to go for grifters like Tate and the like were never on “our side of the fence” Another denial. You truly don't understand what this attitude you and your side of the fence keep purveying creates. And of course, you're still trying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:54 PM
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It's you who has the cognitive failure here - you answered ME, and just started shifting around goalposts so you can turn this into an argument. You never came here with any intention of true understanding, and it's obvious you're acting in bad faith, because you keep lying and misrepresenting my points, and that's about the height of your cognitive capacity. The failure is hilarious, but there's no point in talking with you further.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:50 PM
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The problem is exactly the denial, deflection, and defiance you’re exhibiting now. There is no empathy in the way you and your side of the fence discuss these things with men. It’s all leading/rhetorical questions, and then denial, and then whataboutism. You and what you’re doing right now are the problem. The problem that has caused men to leave your side of the fence en masse, for the likes of shitheads like Tate. If someone like that is giving hope to men, you should really be evaluating what…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:33 PM
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Hahaha and there you have it - deny, deflect, defy. Man: “I’ve cited a problem that uniquely affects men.” You: “it’s not real. And besides, what’re WE supposed to do about it?” And you lot wonder why your social rhetoric group lost men at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:03 PM
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Bravo, my friend. Well-said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:36 PM
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Posted this in another comment. I think another issue is that the entire structure of how men need guidance is different from women. From the time we're children, it's been studied to find that girls and women create connections based on agreement, and guys and boys create connection based on experience/shared tribulation. So this "wholesome and supportive" bullshit really does nothing for men. We need content creators who tell us to get off our asses, and make something of ourselves... because …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:28 PM
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I think another issue is that the entire structure of how men need guidance is different from women. From the time we're children, it's been studied to find that girls and women create connections based on agreement, and guys and boys create connection based on experience/shared tribulation. So this "wholesome and supportive" bullshit really does nothing for men. We need content creators who tell us to get off our asses, and make something of ourselves... because while they won't admit it direct…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:27 PM
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/u/daisythebarbarian would love to see what you have to say about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:22 PM
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Actually men and women paired equally if we are going to trace its traditional roots. But that's not how it's going now. It's pretty well documented how things have gotten. Here's a really good analysis of how bad things are now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:19 PM
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Already address this rhetorical line.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:12 PM
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It's funny, because we support women too. But somehow, your side of the fence feels absolutely no desire to support men. And then you're surprised Pikachu when your side of the fence loses the male gender. How is this so hard to comprehend?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:59 PM
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just throwing words without any explanation. This exemplifies your lack of critical thinking ability. Literally my entire post was an explanation of how your side of the fence lost men at large. You blamed women A) Of course, further misrepresentation. Who said anything about women, alone? There's a whole group on your side of the fence, gender be damned. B) And you don't believe that women can share the blame on men's issues? Oh, but all of women's problems are men's fault? Funny how that works…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:52 PM
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What makes you think that's a sound argument? You create an environment in which you've demonized an entire gender, and then have the entitlement to push narratives like this... people are gonna get upset. Like, do you really think demeaningly saying "aww honey you're so mad" is going to help stop men at large from continuing down a path of intaking masculinity lessons from the male influencers? It's an insane strategy to believe that preturbing someone (or citing that someone is preturbed) is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:46 PM
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Isn't this hilarious to watch? Now she's denying her own lies. Only certain groups can have the privilege of existing in such a delusional and incendiary way and think they're in the right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:43 PM
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LOLOL funny how the timeline is always shifting to fit the narrative, and the parts of the timeline that don't fit the narrative are conveniently ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:41 AM
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I mean, that's an objective lie through omission about what happened, but not your first lie. I had wrote out an emphatic response, but you're right. I'll get off it. I know a lost cause when I see one. Good riddance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:33 AM
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If you follow the rest of the discussion thread, she literally just keeps doubling down on misrepresentative lies, and then tries to say I’M being disrespectful. The fact that she can be so emboldened to adhere to absolutely no logical line besides lies is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:14 AM
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A REASONABLE DISCUSSION?!?!?! Literally your first sentence to me was a blatant misrepresentation of what I said, using shaming and innuendo to try to paint me in a negative light. The respect stopped there. Jesus Christ, you lie and lie and lie and then double down on the lies. It’s insane. Edit: and of course you make this gendered. I never assumed your gender, this has nothing to do with that and everything to do with your lies and incendiary comments. You’d get treated exactly the same way i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:08 AM
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Love that Time Magazine was the one to debunk you. My girlfriend chuckled at your pea-brained insult. Funny how you still conveniently ignore where I responded to your thought with respect. It's that kind of disgusting attitude that is exactly what tears the world apart. Congrats, you're actively making the world a terrible place. You're exactly the villain you think you're arguing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:35 AM
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And yah, likely it will become that, with the way gynocentricism celebrates delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:06 AM
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I met you with respect and you conveniently ignore it. Anything to justify your rage against insert person who doesn’t mindlessly agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:04 AM
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Men here and elsewhere admit all the time their grandfathes and fathers used to have good lives in the past You realize that the last 100 years isn't all of human history? And that before that, most humans lived in peasantry? If anything, they're still an apex in this discussion of "having it good." The massive majority of humanity existed with less luxury than current-day rural Somalian tribes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:14 AM
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Haha damn, a solid thought. So I did a little snooping after I read this, here's a data table regarding the male vs. female ratio of populations across select countries in 1950, post WW2. Looks like your hypothesis barely holds, but honestly with only weak justification :( But it was a great thought!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:10 AM
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While men don't deserve sex from women, But somehow all women deserve that 6 foot tall, 7 figure paycheck, 8 inch dingaling man. And deserve to have all their dates and their nails paid for. And deserve to be celebrated for plastering their assh0les all over OnlyFans. And deserve to be blunt, combative, and rude and it just be accepted. And deserve all the things guys bust their asses to hopefully get a glimpse of in their lives (care, happiness, love, camaraderie, parenthood, appreciation, unco…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:58 AM
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Yeah we are done. Good riddance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:42 AM
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This is formatted as Their example ===== my subject: Upper class person ==== men Working class person === women And so, society not giving a fuck about men's problems is just, because it's like seeing a rich person complain about being slightly less rich. And thus, I explained that Upper class person ==!== men I understand that they weren't talking about "members of the upper class that were men," they were using "upper class people" as a comparative object. I was stating that using that as a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:25 AM
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You want women to take accountability for the poor state of men today That's not what I said, and I'm unsurprised that you tried to misrepresent me because that's as high as you can logically aim, but I'll humor you and also say... believe it or not, accountability can exist in portions. People like you talking the way you are certainly create a poor state for anyone you interact with. I can guarantee You can't guarantee shit lol. The men and women in my life are amazing people, and we support e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:07 AM
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Apex fallacy. You look at a microscopic minority of powerful men throughout history who had all the privileges women had, with the power that they did as well, and think "oh, all men have life that easy." When in reality, the massive, overwhelming majority of men for pretty much all of history have scraped by. For you to equate the normal man's struggles to that of the plutocrats having mildly inconvenienced lives is insanely out of touch with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:48 PM
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How many pregnant women live perfectly fine through their pregnancy in juxtaposition to those who are killed via homicide? You just don't seem to comprehend how microscopic a ratio of people that is. Just because you don't have rage-baiting media and statistics presented to make you mad about it, doesn't mean very successful pregnancies with healthy children aren't the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:42 PM
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Men throw that word out like it’s some kind of catch all trap for all that ails men against women while defining nothing. Probably because for men, responsibility is a given. We are the catch-all of responsibility. And if you don't, as a man, you are crucified and considered hang-worthy. You pick up everyone's pieces as a man. You take responsibility for everyone around you, innately, unasked and unthanked. It's funny how your side of the fence needs to work so hard to try to define into tiny li…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:40 PM
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HAHAHAHA! You respond indignantly, in bad faith, misrepresenting my point. I simply match your energy, and then you think YOU won. That's rich. Yeah, you never came here in good faith. You found the problem and straw man you wanted to fight. But, I'll entertain your question: My solution is for the likes of your side of the fence to recognize that exactly the indignance, misrepresentation, deflection, and lack of good faith that you conveyed in your initial comment reply to me is exactly what ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:13 PM
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you don’t like Since when are my feelings about something a valid point against an overarching social pattern? women have removed themselves from certain responsibilities when it comes to uplifting men. Yes, there is a severe issue with an entire gender not believing they have a responsibility to society - and, by proxy, another gender... this is literally empathy 101. Because a few men mistreated a few women, in the past you guys completely abandon supporting us? And then expect US to support Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:06 PM
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Ahhh, yes, exactly the kind of misrepresentation I'd expect from your side of the fence. Anyone with half an atom of mass capable of cognitive function in their brain can see that I'm framing the positive reinforcement women receive (from both women AND men) as a good thing. And, by contrast, how men not having that (from either gender) is bad. But not everyone has that half an atom.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:43 PM
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Funny that you have so many "supposed to be"s for guys, but your side of the fence's rhetoric doesn't allow for women to be held to any level of accountability. Can't even be forthright about how shallow women can be, how manipulative they can be in argument, and how they can lack so much cognitive empathy that they'd have arguments like the one you're making now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:36 PM
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And because your thought space believes women are infallible, virtuous and completely just, they have absolutely no responsibility to society - and, by extension, creating an environment in which men can thrive, too. Men are completely at fault, and never responsible for anything good. But then, when someone attempts to call out your misrepresentation of OP's complaint, you quickly jump to reductio ad absurdum. Yep, this tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:07 PM
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Okay, so a) you just refuse to admit that there is an apathy towards mens' issues, and that media shits on men. and b) your method to this particular issue, of most media generally being shitty to men, is to close my eyes and ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA" when it comes up. Okay, I can do that, but what about the millions of young boys who hear and see this everywhere they go? At the mall? In advertisements? In basically all forms of media? But nope, let's not think critically on all of that. Le…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:04 PM
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I didn't vote for Trump, if that's what you're getting at. All these additional things you're saying are anecdotes, directly opposed to the way you approached the argument. You of course, still feel the need to reduce everything to sex. No one said "dating" was solely why men are radicalized. But you did. Again, you never came here to have a good faith argument, and you just misrepresented and then started popping in all these personal anecdotes as if your entire argument up until now wasn't str…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:55 PM
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LOLOL, and there it goes again. "You have issue with something? You sure it's real? And have you tried solving it, you fuckhead?" is basically your stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:25 PM
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Talking a lot, but not saying much. You basically said everything on the premise that someone actually cares. But, as you've proven, your side of the fence does not. We advocate to ourselves, in silence, because no one congratulates us for performing basic human duties like they do for women. Your side of the fence lost men because of how you're talking, right now. Just spewing all this empty sentences, with shaming and rhetorical questions, without actually showing an iota of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:24 PM
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A history lesson would also reveal some biological lessons for you too - like the fact that due to a woman needing at least 9mo to gestate and at least a couple more years to care for children until they become contributing members of humanity, their lives are inherently more valuable than mens, who perform their reproductive duty in 30 seconds (15 seconds if she's really hot). And thus, virtually all of society has been structured around protecting female life at the expense of male life, with …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:21 PM
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Ahh, more apathy, shaming, arrogance, deflection, and innuendo. That's the only thing your side of the fence can do. Way to prove my points right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:17 PM
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Jesus. Literally everything you write is assumptive misrepresentations and shaming, it is your only strategy. I never suggested ignoring. I suggesting actually comprehending, instead of doing your best to misrepresent. You hear "I'm being blamed for men not having sex" when what was said is "women are picky." You don't listen, you just hear what you want. You make this about sex, which is a manipulative way of shaming because the modern social thought space has squarely demonized male sexual des…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:12 PM
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This has nothing to do with popularity. You took a microscopic element of my illustrative example and decided that you're going to attack THAT. Did you not see this statement: "infinite positive reinforcement tiktoks to watch." That would have nothing to do with popularity, it would literally just be engagement with a media platform. Virtually everything about the modern messaging aimed at women is supportive. Popular or not. Guys do not receive this luxury. The massive majority of the messaging…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:29 PM
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And here's your problem. You think "gaining" and "being good" are mutually exclusive. These male influencers didn't rise to power because men are so shitty that they just have this undying need to be terrible human beings. They rose to power because your side of the fence never admitted that being seen as a "good" man by women and society is inextricably linked to being able to gain accomplishment... in virtually every facet of life. Your side of the fence decided to make your entire message to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 08:22 PM
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You saw a critique and immediately used "reductio ad absurdum" and shaming. It shows that you didn't come here to find agreement, you came here to spew vitriol. With the number of people who speak like you do on this sub, it's fair to hypothesize that your attitude probably represent the majority of people in your thought space. If this is your idea of a constructive discussion, it's no wonder the world is falling apart. Just know you're a direct contributor to the divide you claim to hate so mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:50 PM
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Incredibly well said. The movemement can't even conceptualize that they're alienating an entire gender, because they simply don't see that gender as real human beings - except the ones at the top and the ones who present danger - and even in those cases, they're just objects, either for resource/power attainment or threats to be avoided. Funny how objectification has swung in completely the opposite direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:43 PM
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Men always see anything not centered in them as bitterness. This is rich, coming from someone who decided that the best answer they could give OP - in a post about what guys are currently struggling through - is an answer that makes everything about the prior struggles of women. That’s indifference. And what you don't seem to capture is that it's this exact indifference, at a macro scale, that has driven this massive wedge between the genders. It's not a flex, it's nothing to be proud of, it's d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:09 PM
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The messaging, however, is different towards struggling men and struggling women. For struggling women, there is a ton of support, positive reinforcement, and encouragement to do whatever necessary to support herself... even unsavory things. If she gets a shitty comment on her IG post, there will be 42 others say "YAASS SLAY QUEEN" and infinite positive reinforcement tiktoks to watch. For guys, it's simply... "You reek of privilege, why the fuck are you complaining?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:30 PM
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Nowadays, they are rarer than they ever were. Decades of "you deserve everything and are responsible for nothing" messaging can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:55 PM
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When cornered with logic, they resort to shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:14 PM
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OP fails to understand that the situation she described is a privilege to experience. Have pretty much everything critical taken care of for you, and all you need to do is worry about relatively surface level shit, or stuff you're naturally inclined to take care of (family, home), as opposed to whether there will be food on the table, a house over your head, or clothes on your back. It's a scathing indictment on the state of the modern social narrative to simply ignore the back-breaking work and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:03 PM
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Right? Like who the fuck wouldn’t want everything in their life taken care of, only thing we need to do is be modest? 🤣 privilege is invisible to those who have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:51 PM
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Saying what one means and understanding proper terminology before using it is also an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:48 AM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:22 PM
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This feels like if OP is gonna be so pompous in her post about things, she should at least get the terminology right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:22 PM
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Lmao OP doesn't realize this post isn't the W she thought it'd be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:20 PM
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In our current society In our day to day life All you've done is conveniently reduced the scope of the discussion to a context in which enough variance can happen for your talking points to fit. They're irrelevant to the broader context being discussed. What you’re describing is a dystopian fantasy, not reality. I urge you to zoom out, and think bigger. Because when you do, you'd see the broader, much more important, more relevant (to OP's post... and, honestly, reality as a whole) context of "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 08:09 PM
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Relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:51 PM
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Relevant reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 04:51 AM
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Meh. My gf is an extremely smart, driven, and powerful woman, makes more money than me, is pretty feminist, but is unlike the ones who use talking points like yours, she doesn't deny that men are seen as disposable and are being disenfranchised in modern society. She doesn't lack the accountability of modern feminists, either. She's pretty fucking amazing, so don't worry, I have great feminists in my life, but they don't speak like you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 02:07 AM
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You're aggressively conflating social rhetorics from a bygone era with today's highly misadrist era. And also using completely misrepresenting my point... I literally said We're not even saying there's anything wrong with men dying to protect you And somehow you think I'm demanding groveling. We have NO shortage of praising men for their accomplishments You're also conflating a small subset of extremely powerful men appreciated for whatever they do, with the massive majority of invisible men who…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:52 AM
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See? You can't even give basic credit where it's due. We're not even saying there's anything wrong with men dying to protect you, and yet you are so indignant about anyone pointing that fact out. You just need to be the victim. All this started because you kept denying that society acts in a way that exhibits the disposability of men. Your indignance against the reality of the positive impact of men on humanity shows just how disposable you see them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:06 AM
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100% of births are done by women. Yeah, and you would never get to the point of getting those births "done" if it wasn't for the protection given by men. If men didn't protect women prior to conception, during gestation, and at least until the children are adolescent and puberty has hit, we wouldn't have a human race to discuss. Lions, tigers, bears, natural disasters, wars, famine... lots would kill you. And men were disposed of, dying in the process of protecting you from those things. They're…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:03 AM
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Birth rate is about 50% male and female over the course of human history. And children's lives are considered more valuable then men's lives. Plus, men need to sacrifice themselves so women can survive the child rearing process. So that fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 11:24 PM
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<3 :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 10:55 PM
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Yep, not a flex. But delusion tends to breed apathy. Still, good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 10:54 PM
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Your best attempt at a logical line so far has been "trust me bro" so not expecting much from ya. Still wishing you luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 10:53 PM
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Those aren't mutually exclusive populations, and your reply was innately a poor attempt at a flex. Better luck next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 10:44 PM
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If you believe apathy is that much of a flex/achievement, congrats to you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:53 PM
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I'm happy you've chosen your delusion, I hope you live a happy life in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:47 PM
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Because her postulation is empty. There's no basis upon which she's saying it's "not because men are disposable." And everything else is just noise. The fact is society is constructed as a whole to use men's lives to perpetuate female lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:39 PM
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alternative reasons How are those alternative reasons mutually exclusive to men being considered disposable? anecdotes Exception doesn't nullify status quo. justified why women need Whataboutism. edit: Dismantling it meaningfully would mean you'd need examples in which massive swaths of women's lives were expended for the sake of protecting men's lives, which has only rarely happened in human history. But the inverse is the norm of conflict and reality as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:39 PM
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You make it sound like disposability is something inherent to only men Did you read OP's post? Female life has intrinsic value that male life does not. Y'all are blessed with a womb, and also need 9 months to complete your part in the procreation process. We cannot bear children, and we take 30 seconds to complete our part in the procreation process. So our disposability is significantly higher, by multiples.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:36 PM
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isn’t because society thinks men are disposable. You've said this over and over, but haven't really dismantled it meaningfully. All the other citations of reason you've given are simply things that can exist in parallel, not substitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:44 PM
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You're not gonna get a straight answer on this topic, bud, especially on this sub. Everyone is gonna work their hardest to obfuscate the basic realities of millions of years of evolution. Women like men that are competent and physically attractive. Men like women that are empathetic and physically attractive. For either scenario, a "good" guy/girl is going to be those qualities with a dash of treating people in an ethically sound way. It manifests differently across genders, but saying that is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 08:43 PM
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FEMALE circumcision is meant so the woman doesn't get pleasure out of sex. Hahaha, you might not like this. (TLDW: MALE circumcision was for pretty much the exact same reason.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 08:37 PM
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Anyone who feels the need to say "fuck your feelings" and "mind your business" without having the aptitude to understand that it is very much everyone's business... is pissy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:45 PM
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Yeah, when you use words and language structures that indicate a shitty attitude, you'll be called out for the underlying emotions you're exhibiting. TLDR: The shoe fits.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:25 PM
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Yeah, your anger is misdirected, child. I am not a plutocrat. I don't control any of this beyond a single vote. And it's pro-choice, if we're clear. But lumping me in with shitty people is exactly why your social narrative is tearing the world apart. Congrats, your attitude is only making life harder for your own self.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:18 PM
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A very sound argument. You have made the world a better place with this level of deep, critical thinking and articulation. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:03 PM
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We do, by way of social services that we're taxed to pay for. Your apathy and attitude in regards to something that's impactful to everyone in the world isn't a flex. They're actively destroying modern society. Congrats on your contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:00 PM
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Handled perfectly!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:57 PM
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Because the existence of children has absolutely zero impact on men, of course! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 06:39 PM
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The person you're responding to is broken, and refuses to admit it. I went down a very long path of debate with them, and it proved that the person never came to the table with an intent to find clarity and understanding, just project their own personal flavor of damage onto the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:35 PM
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I'm sorry that that's your stance! Dating (and empathy) is innately a social issue. But I suppose if you came to find issue with the people making points that are outside of your own, you've done accomplished your goal. While I doubt you and I will end up in a place of understanding, hopefully our discourse eventually brings people to a more empathetic place. Appreciate the conversation, and wishing you the best of luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:28 PM
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Where did I say I speak for all women? getting women to value something they don't value. You may not have meant for it to sound this way, but generally to not put in the disclaimer that you're speaking for only yourself or a subset of people would mean that one is speaking for the whole labeled group. It's okay, misunderstandings are a part of the process of sharing ideas. Appreciate you clarifying. you just have some issues I would prefer that we avoid using ad-hominem attacks, but I'm sure yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 08:48 PM
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Well, I would bet your husband is at least somewhat physically attracted to you. And I'm sure vocalizing it would be nice. Maybe a thing you could ask him! And if he says "no I don't really care to compliment you physically, and it wouldn't be nice for you to like it when I do," then I suppose it was an exercise in futility for you personally, but... I think it's always valuable to consider for one's blockers, and how their statements can effect society at large. Injecting nuance helps people be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 08:25 PM
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Congrats! If we're sharing anecdotes: I'm happily in a relationship, I compliment my gf sexually and physically on the regular, and she doesn't bat it away. It's made me feel extremely cherished, and increased our closeness. She's also insanely smart and I show her lots of investment outside of the physical/sexual compliments. We have a great relationship. Meanwhile, I would try to do that with in prior relationships, and they would shoot it down, even though I'm being good to them and showing o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 08:15 PM
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Well, if you've chosen this evaluation structure, I hope you are at least forthright with yourself about the unoptimal nature of it. It can cause one to distrust a person with genuinely good intentions, and is perhaps punishing someone (ie. a new compliment-giver) for something they had nothing to do with, in the evaluator's past (ie. all the complimenters from before). And if socialized and popularized, it contributes a much more unempathetic dating environment for all. Hope you can one day con…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 08:06 PM
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no one can force themselves to value a compliment My point is that when other factors are present, they can reconfigure their evaluation criteria, and they can value the compliment. Context increases nuance. Things can be bad in one context, but good in another. Your claim is that a physical compliment is bad, especially if unsolicited by a stranger. My claim is that a physical compliment by someone who shows other investment indicators is good. I'm simply adding nuance to re-structure the evalu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:58 PM
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I don't think this is a discussion of obligation or rights, it's a discussion of ensuring one's evaluation structures are sound. My point is that it would be overly pessimistic, and unconstructive to a mutually empathic dating model, to paint a person as worthy of rejection only because they may have complimented one's physicality, or desiring sex, when that person is showing that they are good-natured in other ways. Of course one always reserves the right to reject, but rejecting on poor evalua…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:49 PM
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Just to make sure I'm not misrepresenting you - is your argument that dating cannot have ethical structures tied to it? Like, people can't be good or bad in dating? I just wanna make sure we're focused on coming together to mutual understanding here, as opposed to attempting to drive a wedge between ideologies with not-so-great discussion tactics, such as ignoring modifiers to a point and/or questioning whether ethical structures exist. Feel like it's a great place for us to go, so please let me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:41 PM
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Right, and my counter-point is that would be a poor evaluation and unjust way to respond when the person is showing other indicators of being good to the recipient. Logical line: You stated a, I stated a+b, but you responded with "but I'm saying a..." What I'm trying to note here is that I've acknowledged your a and am adding b, which changes the nature of the equation as a whole... hope that makes sense!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:02 PM
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So I don't think you meant to avoid this topic, but in my comment I said: and it comes along with other indicators of investment, such as asking to be exclusive or talking about constructive conflict resolution, etc etc, then the sexual interest should be received positively (provided you're attracted to the person). Kinda the whole point of my comment... It would be more valuable coming from someone who treats you well and shows commitment...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:46 PM
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As with everything, there's nuance to this. I worry that the demonization of male sexual desire like this would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If a man is showing sexual interest, and it comes along with other indicators of investment, such as asking to be exclusive or talking about constructive conflict resolution, etc etc, then the sexual interest should be received positively (provided you're attracted to the person). I say this bc I know more than a few people who throw out any…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:35 PM
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It's fair for you to have an opinion! One would suspect that there were unsavory intentions based on our patterns of interactions, and the final point is somewhat ad-hominem, which is typically what is done when one doesn't actually have an ideological footing to stand on. I certainly don't mind though - either way, wishing you the best of luck in your endeavors, and hoping that your future interactions don't serve to continue to drive a wedge between ideologies with gossiping/shaming/rallying u…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 05:14 PM
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Checking in on this! Highlighting red herrings is puzzling, but I would love to share ideologies, provided both of us are coming to the table without any ill-intent. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:43 PM
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So I'd press y'all to read "The Power of Habit." It postulates that even when you start doing things that don't feel right at first, the more you do them, the more they become a part of your identity. This can extend to thoughts as well. So going to the gym becomes an obvious external habit. But also - when one feels a negative thought coming on, they can follow it up with a positive one immediately. The more one does this, the more it becomes habit to give themselves positive affirmations. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:41 PM
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One thing to note here is that performance is a spectrum. You getting a bit better means you will garner a bit more attraction. Just because you're a bit behind, doesn't mean you can't start cultivating the right habits to achieve dating success. Chads are gonna Chad, but that doesn't mean you should stop searching for love on THEIR accounts!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:35 PM
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Checking in! Would love to level-set and share ideologies in a structured and un-murky format, provided both of us have well-intentioned goals. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:32 PM
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Checking in! Would love to continue our discourse, I think we're on our way to finding meaningful understanding across ideologies, assuming that's our goal, and there's no ill-intent, mutually. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:30 PM
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Modern society's gynocentric thought space is pretty much open misandry bc a handful of powerful men behaved shitty. This is why #wastehistime, #menaretrash, #killallmen, etc. etc. can trend and become the dominating sentiments of modern society, where school districts can literally go into classrooms and teach young boys to apologize for being male, and women can constantly mistreat men who have done no wrong to them, but are seen as justified in it bc a couple fuccbois broke their hearts. Puni…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 02:15 PM
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I'm struggling with a few of your points. Women have dating apps if they want to sample men And they consistently complain about how much they hate them. I don't think anyone loves dating apps except extremely hot guys who have a sociopathic streak. she is by default not interested and not in that "mode" of sampling random men. I don't know that it's this binary. Generally, when out and about in public, a single person likely has the prospect of making a fun romantic connection in the back of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:11 AM
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In the same way that a microscopic minority of women would react in this way to a guy politely accepting a rejection and walking away, a microscopic minority of men go to bars looking for fights. Let's just keep reality in mind when we're on the internet! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:56 AM
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Just so we level set on what we're discussing here: which reply are you referring to as weird? My first one or second one? Please kindly quote it if you could. which comment are you referring to as the one whose point I missed? Please kindly quote it if you could. where are the "facts of the situation" you're referencing? Please kindly quote them if you could. I truly just want to make sure we're on the same page before we discuss, as I'd hate to misrepresent your points. As for your final two s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:26 AM
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A few comments on this sentiment: Women rank men just as much. They just don't overtly use the number scale in the gynocentric social thought space. edit: I take that back, height is a pretty strong scaling indicator women use. Women dehumanize men just as much, if not more. Male minds do well with numbers and concrete structures of progression. It's why you'll see guys use numbers to describe lots of things in life - and also why so many men are drawn to STEM fields. Being on a number scale doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 11:29 PM
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Oddly specific callout, just from a logical standpoint. If it's a general theme that women can be casually misandrist in Western society, there's a good chance that that generalization can extend to girls who leave America and pursuit of romance externally. I am just puzzled as to the motivation for why you'd call something this specific out... it seems a bit red herring to the overall point that the original commenter is making.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 11:20 PM
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Is this how it happened? Or were they quietly doing what they were doing (or sharing just within their own circles), and then being shamed by gynocentric social media accounts, and then just decided to own it once they started seeing attention/traction, thus spurring more men to hop and be like "y'know what these fellas are onto something..." Furthermore, "passport bro" is meant to be derogatory, which is what the original commenter misses. There's an overarching Western social thought space the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 11:15 PM
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That wasn't your original statement... you've moved the goalposts to a completely different topic altogether. Which discussion would you like to pursue? If you're looking to shift focus, at least address my response first before shifting. It's the ethical thing to do :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 10:59 PM
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…if some men don’t want to be called weird, creepy misogynists, perhaps they should stop being weird, creepy and misogynistic 🤷‍♀️ I don't think that punishment (or negative reaction) implies guilt. There's a large modern trend in which certain thought spaces say things along the lines of "maybe you wouldn't have a problem with [insert ideology] if you weren't [insert being guilty of what that ideology stands against]." Not exactly a sound logical line - but a strong use of gossiping/shaming/ral…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 10:52 PM
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Checking in on this! Excited to discuss further :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 10:44 PM
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Hey, next time, would love to hear an apology or some sort of acknowledgement of the overall abrasive conversational style you were using. But I appreciate the tone of this reply much more. So your claim is that statistical indicators do not indicate any problems with the current dating market. 1st link: The overall figure of 31% saying they are single only paints a part of the picture. If you notice, 51% of people aged 18-29 are saying they are single. It's almost double that of next two older …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:54 PM
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Like I said, you have the plausible deniability to give exactly the excuse you just did. But you could have phrased that sentence in a lot of non-personal ways. You chose to word it personally, however. So one cannot help but suspect insidious intention. Especially with your tone/attitude until now - sarcasm, eyeroll/facepalm emoji, and victim blaming. It's all behavior of someone who tries to use indignance as a defense. Beyond that, you've left the actual conversation we were having abandoned.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:49 PM
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Ohh hahaha, nice, no one wants to date you You have plausible deniability that you weren't trying to be rude and attempting to insinuate a lack of sexual performance on my part here, but I think it's pretty clear what you were trying to do. Let's try and not use personal attacks in such a dirty way, and be better people, maybe. The link has empirical data done in studies. It's also pretty common knowledge that narcissists feel heightened levels of entitlement. So, the data and the correlations a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:33 PM
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Genetics play a massive factor. And very few men are genetically predisposed to have a physique like this with minimal gym effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:21 PM
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Is your stance that this is not true? You do not believe there has been a dramatic increase in these qualities? Do you deny the detrimental effects of social media, onlyfans, and instant gratification on society? edit: and it's caused increased superficiality and unjust evaluation? It's even been discussed right here on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:20 PM
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Is your stance that this is not true? You do not believe there has been a dramatic increase in these qualities? Do you deny the detrimental effects of social media, onlyfans, and instant gratification on society?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:17 PM
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Your stance assumes that there isn't a systemic way in which the evaluators of the "common denominator" are not just in their evaluations. The "just world fallacy." The problem is, there has been a marked increase in shitty characteristics. This is being purposely obfuscated by society, too. The "common denominator" could actually be a good person, but the overall standards have been raised edit: twisted to delusional levels, and said "common denominator" does not meet the insane thresholds nece…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:36 PM
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So your two points are: 1) Everyone is different 2) Bad people suck. My counterpoints are: 1) Generalities can still be mostly true. 2) The amount of shitty people has seen a marked increase in recent times. So, we have to wade through significantly more bullshit to meet a smaller number of good people, using meager guidance that is completely obfuscated because the modern social thought space shuns generalizations and the "everyone is different" platitude doesn't give anyone meaningful guidance…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:28 PM
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Thing is though - it actually takes the average dude insane work to even look like Leo did in WOWS. And most women would label that "undefined" or "soft." There's significantly more leeway in women's body types.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:14 PM
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Exceptions do not discount general trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:05 PM
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