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–	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Not in general, just that one aspect of porn, the silly unrealistic idea that women are over-the-top unambiguous about wanting to bang you. That only exists in porn, and feminists claims (which only come out whenever men point out female privilege in early dating). Feminists are so obsessed with never admitting a single a female privilege, to where they start spouting obvious non-sense that anyone with eyes can tell doesn't apply to the real world. Whenever a man points out how easy women have i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 05:47 PM
–	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Nobody said "men don't need to do work at all ever." What happened is this: - Men said they do all the work: approach, initiate, escalate, risk the punishment for misreading - Feminists spent years denying that asymmetry even exists. Women approach too. Women initiate just as much. And when a woman's interested, you'll know, it's obvious and in your face. Add those claims up and look at the woman they're describing: she approaches you, makes the moves, initiates sex, and signals interest so clea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 03:13 PM
–	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. It wasn't porn that lied to men, it was feminists. Porn is LABELED FICTION. The actual LYING is what happened for thirty years in every gender debate on the internet. The truth is that to get dates as a man you have to do a TON OF WORK. Approach, initiate, escalate, eat every rejection. Men said this in every discussion, for decades. And every time, out came the script (lies): If you're a HALF DECENT nice person, women will pursue you, ask you out and make the moves. Plenty of women will get in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:58 PM
–	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Yeah the gaslighters on here switch between the two. It's either nobody lies to boys, or "well using your own eyes you should have realized it's a lie and not fallen for it"	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:33 PM
–	Men should be taught that they are most likely going to be aloone if they don't improve Because it's a dating-specific skill, not a general value improvement. I get laid 20x more than I did when I was naive about the ways of the world. I am not a "better, improved person". I learned sets of dating and flirting skills. Ones that are isolated to nothing but what is required to date women. These skills do not make me a better human, citizen or anything else. Actual millionaire surgeons can go without dates, and while charming broke fboys can have a different girl over every day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/26 12:59 PM
7	When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantage I can confirm this as someone who does a lot of cold approaching. If I had a bad night's sleep or tired in any way and start conversations, they treat me like a literal serial killer. If I'm fully energized I can get responses like omg thank you so much for approaching me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 08:04 AM
8	When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantage This. A lot of issues with women and what they claim arise from women trying to claim two directly contradictory things at once. Either you admit that you can't telepathically read men's deepest personality (in which case it's not your fault if it later turns out he's a crappy guy)... Or if you claim you know everything about a guy from the way he said hello (as an excuse to humiliate unattractive guys), you can't then claim you only discovered someone's a crap person after 7 months so it's not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 08:02 AM
3	Casual sex is the only way to know you are desirable as a man. One caveat. You could be 10x more desirable than another guy who gets more hookups than you and not realize that he's putting in more volume than you. The thing is that work is often invisible. He might be getting rejected 50x more than you to have twice as much casual sex as you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/26 04:13 PM
2	The 'Mankeeping' narrative shows that women are openly hostile to discussing men's emotional labor load The part you're missing is that he had to do that a bunch of times before it worked out with you. That's the labor part. The labor part is doing something 1000 times and it going nowhere and still forcing yourself to keep going. Because even when 1 out of 100 women answers "yeah let's do that", it's still just false hope because most of the time it goes nowhere. So not only does he has to force himself through a ton of no-s to get one yes, he has to push through and keep going even when a ton of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/26 11:21 PM
0	Men Shouldn't Complain About Being Locked out of Casual Sex if They Think it's bad for Women The only reason most guys think casual sex is bad is because they're excluded from it. And the only reason they're excluded is women's laziness. Heres why: I disagree with the blackpillers who think women only want to have casual sex with chads and nobody else. Average guys can have sexual sex too, it's just that they're required to do all the work even when she is interested in him. At best she shows openness to him doing all the work until something happens. If women decreased their passivity …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/26 12:02 PM
2	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? Coincidences are a funny thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/26 06:03 PM
11	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? For men it's inverted. Men end up settling for someone better than the women they could hook up with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/26 05:41 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. This isn't a matter of opinion. Moves have a clear definition. You can't redefine things as it suits you... Perplexity: No, hinting typically does not count as making a move. Hints are subtle signals like light touches or compliments, while a move requires clearer, more direct action. Key Distinctions: Hints serve as indirect cues to test interest, such as playful eye contact, extra smiles, or casual compliments, often leaving room for deniability. A genuine move escalates beyond hints, involvin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 07:21 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. Not a move	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 07:13 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. This is exactly the type of mental gymnastics the OP is talking about. Women will invent all sorts of absurd excuses and rationalizations for being lazy. "Hints are moves" is a very popular pretzel women twist themselves into to justify being lazy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 07:06 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. A move is by definition overt. If it's not overt then it is a hint, not a move.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 06:57 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. He isn't treating women like a monolith. He's specifically giving dozens upon dozens of varied examples of excuses. Not all women use the same excuse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 06:55 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. Yeah, the amount of logical pretzels and mental gymnastics women twist themselves into in order to justify not making moves are legendary. It automatically makes me lose respect for anything else they say or claim in terms of dating and related topics. It almost makes everything else void. It's absolutely ridiculous stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 06:52 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. "He says the same shit"? Tate talks about gender. Red pill talks about gender. That's it. That's the overlap. By that logic every economist is a Marxist because Marx talked about economics. Tate doesn't call himself red pill. You and other critics slapped that label on him because it's a useful boogeyman. Talking about the same topic doesn't make someone the same movement. You want the actual red pill? Rollo Tomassi coined the term. He used it to describe the pickup/seduction community. Owen Coo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 02:31 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. You just repeated yourself word-for-word. Twice. "Loneliness epidemic" is branding. Women whine and complain about dating by writing posts like yours—endless paragraphs about what men need to fix. That is complaining and whining about dating. You do it every day. You're doing it right now. You just don't see it because it's aimed outward. And the shower thing—you've mentioned it six times now. Nobody disagreed. You keep retreating to it because you can't answer the actual question. Sixth time: S…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 02:13 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. I didn't say personality. I said behavior. They believe that attraction is entirely about what you say and do. Personality is who you are. Behavior is what you do. They even believe it doesn't even matter if you are that person, you can just behave that way and trigger attraction. Also "popular"? By what definition? The ones you have heard of and are described as red pill by others? But you only hear of the misogynists who say outrageous things for views. They don't even call themselves red pill…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 02:10 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. It's interesting how people misuse the terms. An obsession with looks is black pill. In fact for most of the existence of the red pill it didn't even ACKNOWLEDGE looks... Some history for these ignoramuses 1) Like the red pill was this movement that claimed it's all based on behavior and looks are a 0% factor 2) Then the vlackpillers came in, and these are guys who say looks is everything and HATE the redpillers 3) Than after a decade of vlackpillers, redpillers started admitting "ok looks make …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 11:00 AM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Women don't complain about dating? Your post is a complaint about dating. You just wrote paragraphs about how men need to be better. That's the female version of complaining—it's always directed outward. "Men need more confidence." "Men need better social skills." "Men need to try harder." That's how women avoid examining their own deficits. Instead of asking "how can I be more approachable?" it's "why aren't men approaching better?" Instead of "how do I signal interest?" it's "why aren't men mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 08:29 AM
4	Most people's dating advice to men is useless, ESPECIALLY advice given by women It's not that women lie, it's similar to lying by omission. It's when you tell the truth, but since you're omitting certain things it's equivalent to a lie. For example when they say the stuff about a kind man. The part thats left out is that it assumes a man above her. It's only perceived favorably when a guy who's cooler, more popular, more confident or higher status than her does kind things... When a man who she sees as an equal does a kind thing it's seen as needy or desperate. This is the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 07:19 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. "Doing it right"? That's the whole question. You're assuming women are fine at dating as your premise, then using it as your conclusion. That's circular. Previous generations of women: glances, teasing, banter, innuendo, creating openings. Current generation: wait, swipe, repeat. If that's "doing it right," your standards are underground. And nobody said "don't hold men accountable." The argument is: hold both accountable. You keep pretending that's an attack on accountability when it's actually…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 06:45 PM
2	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. You didn't answer the question. I asked: Do young women also need to work on their social skills, including flirting skills, or is self-improvement a male-only obligation? You pivoted to "women have more friends." Social skills have difficulty levels. Keeping friends you already have? Easy mode. Gossiping with coworkers? Baseline. That's 2/10 stuff—anyone can do it. Charming strangers. Creating romantic tension. Making yourself approachable. Flirting in real-time. Introducing yourself to new peo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 01:56 PM
0	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Funny framing choice. Sociologists, psychologists, every think piece about Gen Z—they all acknowledge social skills have declined generationally. Technology. Less in-person interaction. Affects everyone. You skipped that. Went straight to "men lack personal responsibility." Made a generational problem into a male moral failing. But here's the thing—even the mainstream sources that do acknowledge the generational decline still only prescribe self-improvement to men. "Young people's social skills …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 12:45 PM
2	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men Ironically it's super easy for guys to get the same power. All you need is abundance. And contrary to popular opinion you don't need to be rich or famous to get it. All you have to do is learn how to start conversations everywhere. I mean everywhere, office elevator, bus stop, supermarket check out, networking events, park while walking your dog. When you become this person your number of options grows so much that you get this sense of abundance, and ironically you act indifferent (opposite of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/26 05:54 PM
2	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Lol, thats not how it works. Lol. Trust me guys have no problem getting it up for the cute innocent chick. Furthermore, only 20% of men cheat (similar to the number for women). The reason men end up going for easy girls when they're looking for something casual is because they're easy, not because they are preferred. If those married cheater guys could cheat on their wife with a virgin, they would. It's just that the promiscuous girls are literally (no exaggeration) 10,000x easier. They literall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 08:21 PM
7	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Please elaborate. I mean I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't know what you mean and how it relates to the Madonna whore complex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 03:37 PM
13	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Nice try, but no. Men see the same women saying one thing and doing another, and they keep seeing it over and over and over and over again. Men just wish women didn't lie so goddamn much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 03:24 PM
9	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Why does that belief require "that women can't have their own thoughts, morals, and standards. That women are just prizes for men. That women cant have sex on her own terms"? Ditto. She never provides an argument or even pretends to. She just makes this outlandish claim, and it's completely unrelated to the first part, like a complete non-sequitor.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 03:01 PM
24	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Here we go again, for the 383838th time. Men only have an issue with gaslighting. They're not saying they're owed sex. They do say they're owed not to be gaslit. That's it. Women lie: x makes you unattractive, y is attractive Men go into the real world and see women constantly with x guys and not even registering y guys. They get resentful about the lying. Is not gaslighting too much to ask for?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 02:49 PM
–	Changing your behavior does not earn you a relationship, only validation The "just" is the issue. Not being someone else is only one of many things needed. As a man you can be yourself all you want, but no woman will walk up to you, ask for your number, ask you out and then lead things towards a first kiss.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 11:09 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? Yeah. They only say they're against shaming men in the abstract. But in actual practice they find a way to downplay or divert every ACTUAL case of shaming men. But we shouldn't notice this because they're against it in THEORY, just shut up and ignore their ACTIONS in practice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 05:40 PM
6	Why is slut shaming wrong? Two new strawmen in one reply. Impressive. "You want me to police every woman" - Never said that. Not even close. "You just don't like how I said it" - Classic dismissal. Reframe a legitimate observation as me being petty about tone. Here's what actually happened: You performed the exact pattern I described. I pointed it out. Now you're defensive about it. You're not interchangeable with other women because you're a woman. You're interchangeable because you ran the same script. Word for word. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:48 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? We are in agreement on the principle. But notice what happened to get here: I said women shame men for unmet preferences You responded with "women are allowed to have preferences and communicate them politely" I pointed out nobody disputed that Only THEN did you say "I agree that's wrong" The agreement was always available in step 1. But the reflex was to defend women's right to preferences first - even though that was never under attack. That reflex IS the pattern. Even women who agree that sha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:36 PM
8	Why is slut shaming wrong? Because the topic is shaming. The topic isn't the imaginary "people who say youre not allowed to have preferences", a group that is more imaginary than Santa clause, the tooth fairy and Winnie the Pooh combined.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:23 PM
10	Why is slut shaming wrong? But women are allowed to have preferences and to communicate them politely. You're repeating the pattern. Nobody ever said they don't. Not a single human ever. This STRAWMAN is always brought up whenever women's shaming is brought up. It's a way to distract.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:20 PM
8	Why is slut shaming wrong? For the 39393928383938 time: Turning someone down is NOT SHAMING. NOBODY EVER SAID IT WAS. Why are you strawmanning? We're talking about this part: where she goes into a hyperbolic shaming attack where she says it was "inappropriate and creepy to approach women at Starbucks". Will you FINALLY GET IT WITHOUT STRAWMANNING?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:31 PM
5	Why is slut shaming wrong? She performed the pattern. Me: women shame men Her: exclusion isnt shaming NOBODY EVER SAID "Exclusion is shaming", not a single person ever. That was a STRAWMAN. Nobody ever said that exclusion is shaming. THAT IS THE WHOLE PATTERN. Men: it's not ok when women shame men Women: Exclusion is not shaming Men: WE NEVER SAID IT WAS why should I defend something I never said? It's the most frustrating STRAWMAN on planet earth, and women on this sub keep doing it. The pattern Men: women shame men for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:09 PM
14	Why is slut shaming wrong? Lol. Seriously? Here we go again.... The point is that a woman who prefers XYZ guys, will shame ABC guys for being ABC guys; Even though there's nothing wrong with being an ABC guy, it simply doesn't match her preference. EXAMPLE: A woman prefers to be approached only online, and thinks all offline approaching should be seen as inappropriate because to HER personally it feels awkward (preference) A man approaches her at Starbucks. She then proceeds to write a rant about how it's "creepy and inap…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:02 PM
9	Why is slut shaming wrong? LOOOL YOU LITERALLY JUST DID IT. YOU PERFORMED THE EXACT PATTERN I DESCRIBED.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 11:46 AM
20	Why is slut shaming wrong? the part that you're missing is that when women shame they don't even see it as shaming, but as stating a universal fact. It's a common thing men constantly try to communicate on this sub. Men don't have an issue with womens preferences, but the way they shame based on a preference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 11:11 AM
21	Why is slut shaming wrong? Funny how this only applies to one gender. There's an epidemic of women calling guys a creep or loser for not meeting her personal preferences. Women shame men not meeting their preferences all the time. And it's literally for 100s of varied preferences, not just body count. Except they pretend to speak for all women and society, as opposed to a preference not being met. Whenever men point this out, they're called incels or gaslit about it. Heck this entire sub is looping on the following patter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 09:25 AM
–	Why do men think there are so many good men I have the best explanation for this kindness bs. It's womanese for "charisma". When they say kind, that PRESUPPOSES higher status. It's when someone is at a higher status than you and cares for you. But the part that they don't say out loud is that it only registers as kind when coming from above. A guy on her level doing the exact same things isn't registered as hard but a nice guy or needy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/25 07:00 AM
–	Why do men think there are so many good men Simple, because guys interact with all men, and not just the charismatic or attractive guys. Women make their generalizations of men based on which men approached them or befriended or date them. Such men are a small portion of the male population. Guys have access to broader sample sizes which are more representative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/25 06:56 AM
2	Women contribute a LOT to "nice guy angst". You responded to someone pointing out (correctly) that the rights argument for women's delusional standards doesn't match the timing. It does match the timing of social media.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 07:25 PM
0	Women contribute a LOT to "nice guy angst". You're right. Its a coincidence that it matches social media perfectly. There was even a study that showed some dating effect the very year the iphone was created. Pure coincidence	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 09:46 AM
1	Women contribute a LOT to "nice guy angst". Exactly. The timing matches the explosion of social media. A huge portion of women calibrate their sense of "normal" based on what they see in social media. Which is why they have a totally warped view of what a normal man is and genuinelly think they have reasonable standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 09:45 AM
10	Women contribute a LOT to "nice guy angst". That bad things happen to bad people. It's used by women all the time to gaslight guys about dating. For example if a guy is struggling in dating, he must be a bad person who doesn't treat women like a human being. Implying that goodness determines outcomes. Conveniently ignoring that actual scum men have rosters. It's the equivalent to saying that rich people are good people and anyone struggling financially is a bad person. That would be horrible wouldn't it? Women apply this fallacy in dating…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 09:02 AM
1	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems No women are saying that? Why is gaslighting such a popular sport in this reddit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 08:54 AM
9	Forgiveness for past sins in dating You are	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 12:35 AM
2	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems Ah, the 'deliberately misread the analogy' retreat. The analogy illustrates that something can both affect people, and one can escape it. Though the scientology analogy goes even further and is directly comparable (i.e. programming and deprogramming). You can escape programming and say that it is dangerous. Nothing to "pick". Both are true. You just can't defend your 'pick one' logic, so you're pretending to be confused. We both know what happened here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 12:31 AM
3	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems 'Some people beat cancer, therefore cancer isn't deadly. Pick one.' 'Some people escaped Scientology and now help others leave, therefore the brainwashing never existed. Pick one.' Genuinely embarrassing that you thought these were gotchas. YES you CAN simultaneously say that scientology is a dangerous cult and say that you personally overcame the brainwashing, AND also helped others deprogram. Both can be true. Seriously worried for your mental health there buddy if you thought that was a retor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 12:08 AM
3	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems I've approached more women than 99.9% of men on the planet, and have coached and helped guys to do it. The gaslighting on your part is wild. This wasn't just social media - it's been 25 years of mainstream media, TV shows, workplace HR training, university orientations, and yes, millions of online posts all hammering the same message: approaching = harassment unless she explicitly invites it. Pretending this cultural bombardment didn't happen, then calling the guys who internalized it 'sexless l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 10:20 PM
2	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems If youre reffering to "fake it till you make it" that is a thing that speeds up the process, it doesn't replace it. Instead of having to do a 1000 approaches to become confident with flirting, you might get away with a 100 if you learn some mental hacks to skip levels. Same with every step in the funnel. Some mental hacks can help, but you can't be fully confident without a sufficient number of prior succesful outcomes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 09:45 PM
2	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems You're proving his point. Yes narcissists and psychopaths can be confident without experience. That's the point though. When women insist on confidence, they're literally insisting on players, narcissists and psychopaths. You literally can't have high levels of sociosexual confidence unless you're in one of those 3 groups.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 08:56 PM
2	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems Not really if you've been told that approaching is evil unless she makes a super clear invite. And most guys don't get such an invite.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 08:54 PM
1	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems Male pattern baldness only appears at what (for until recently) were grandparent ages. Short men HAVE been weeded out lol. The average man today is a giant compared to men in roman times. Every generation is taller than the previous specifically because women cull out the shorter end. Micropenises are rare, as is gyno in younger men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 07:52 PM
-7	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems That's not what HE is saying. He's obviously talking about the women who are saying: "No good men left" and such. But women shape the offer, not men. This is also evolutionarily true. Men's traits are shaped by what women choose. And even on a current level, men offer what women will accept. This is proven by studies on gender ratios. For example in more competitive environments women ask for less, and men give less.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 09:00 AM
-1	Do you guys legitimately feel that men aren't disadvantaged in modern dating? Pretty much. When they say emotional intelligence, they really mean that he's an expert level seducer who can micro-calibrate to micro hints in 0.1 milliseconds. And these same women wonder why they always end up with fboys, when their criteria is literally "be an fboy"	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/25 11:55 PM
1	Does one ever recover from missing experiences as a youth? I give zero fucks. Living the time of my life. Sounds like an excuse you're using. There is literally no police force mandating you to live like a traditional 30 year old. That's just your excuse. Especially today when even people in their 40s are living like they are in their 20s	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:39 PM
1	Does one ever recover from missing experiences as a youth? How many people did you approach outside today?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:33 PM
1	Does one ever recover from missing experiences as a youth? It's actually easy if you have an above average dating life. I made up for it by doing better than 99% of guys. So at that point it's like (so what if I missed out on average in high school, I get to experience stuff those guys could dream of). That might seem like a difficult feat, but it's not. If you put your mind to consciously controlling your results, it's easy to have way above average results. You have to understand that the average guy lucks into a "barely better than nothing" dating li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:32 PM
3	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever This is actually reasonable, and if most women operated like you describe, the problem wouldn't exist. The issue is: Your personal policy isn't the cultural norm. The loud voices aren't giving clear guidance like "X is wrong, Y is acceptable." It's more that every single possible move is wrong if not executed with perfect smooth calibration - and lack of smoothness is treated as evidence of malintent. The messaging women receive today is: when in doubt, assume the worst. Awkward delivery? He's p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:51 AM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever The critique isn't: "Women are bad because they don't communicate more clearly." That ON ITS OWN is NOT the issue. The critique is: Women simultaneously refuse to communicate clearly AND demonize men for not knowing what wasn't communicated. Either of these alone would be fine: Don't communicate clearly + accept men will sometimes guess wrong = fine Communicate clearly + hold men accountable for ignoring clear signals = fine But: Don't communicate clearly + demonize men for guessing wrong = impo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:29 AM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Nobody said "not dating the learner" is demonization. That's a STRAWMAN at best and purposeful gaslighting more likely. Demonization means: Writing articles about how men who approach are creeps Social media posts ranting about "fucking creeps" who misread a signal Labeling awkward attempts as "harassment" Treating a mistimed compliment as morally equivalent to assault Publicly shaming men for learning errors as if they're predators A woman saying "no thanks" isn't demonization. A woman going on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:18 AM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're MISSING THE POINT. The point is that PUNISHMENTS ARE BEING METTED OUT AS IF there were clearly defined rules. We're not saying it needs to be black and white. But you can't then punish guys AS IF it were black and white. Do you not understand the difference. DO YOU SERIOUSLY NOT GET THE DIFFERENCE? Men are punished like "you evil bastard you did x, and she doesn't like x, you're evil". But nobody tells you she doesn't like x, and the rules is ONLY stated AFTER the fact. In no other area o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:00 AM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Women aren't demonized for "not wearing neon signs". We point out that its EVIL to DEMONIZE MEN for guessing wrong. Either option is fine; Women don't want to wear their preferences on their forehead. Of course. But then don't fucking humiliate a guy for guessing wrong; The part that you're missing is that WHEN women demonize guys, they do so AS IF he ignored her neon signs. You CANT ACT as if though you had a neon sign, and humiliate guys AS IF they ignored your non-existent neon sign.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:58 AM
3	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Furthermore this has been scientifically validated; They had a study where they had WOMEN look at interaction and GUESS if the woman was showing signs of interest or not. The women were NO BETTER at reading these cues than men! NOT AT ALL! And almost no better than chance. People defend women treating men like shit for guessing wrong by pretending it's possible to read cues perfectly, but this has NEVER been scientifically validated as even being possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:54 AM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Three things: Reading social cues only INCREASES the ODDS of guessing right, it doesn't guarantee it You learn through trial and error. Women today DEMONIZE errors (as if perfection was possible) There's no leeway given for the fact that PERFECTION is impossible; And you can't expect a guy to not making learnign errors (since it's a skill picked up by trial and error) As long as men are demonized for learning, we will see more men simply give up. Plenty of women treat akward approaches as "c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:52 AM
5	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever And they refuse to answer. I've been going back and forth with another feminist here, asking one simple question: When a guy makes a learning error - misreads a signal, says something flirty too soon, leans in before she's comfortable - and gets called a creep/predator... is that moral judgment valid or exaggerated? If valid: she's telling men to do immoral things anyway. If exaggerated: she's admitting women dish out unfair moral condemnation. She won't pick. Just keeps deflecting with "try thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 09:27 AM
5	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Don't bother, they always deflect and never take accountability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 09:03 AM
4	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Correct, but flirting is a skill learned through trial and error and women demonize learning errors. Point: Women demonize imperfect flirting Answer: Just learn to flirt perfectly Ok, but what about UNTIL THEN? BECAUSE MANY WOMEN HUMILIATE THE FUCK OUT OF GUYS WHO ARE LEARNING AT ANY POINT PAST 10TH GRADE.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 08:03 AM
6	Did getting into a relationship change your views/approach? Great example. I always laugh when women act like podcasters are somehow hypnotizing men into things that they've never seen. Like every guy has seen how women have completely different standards for different guys. They weren't brainwashed by some podcaster to see it. They saw it a 100 times before they stumbled on that podcast.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 09:15 PM
10	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're missing the point. Everyone is acting like men stopped making moves due to some mysterious random spontaneous phenomen, so as to not burden women with accountability for causing it. It seems we accept causality for everything else in the checking universe except when the causality links to something women did. Then it's without cause magically because the ultimate rule is women can never be tasked with accountability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 06:34 PM
8	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're either incompetent or purposefully conflating things. Failing an entire business is not on par with making the wrong move. The equivalent would be something like failing to read someone's bluff in a negotiation and saying yes too soon. Nobody writes entire articles to demonize you for not reading negotiation tactics as well as a seasoned sales pro.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 06:13 PM
7	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're gaslighting again to defend women from accountability. Fear of rejection isnt new. Guys OPENLY KEEP TELLING YOU GUYS THAT THE NEW THING THEY FEAR IS BEING UNFAIRLY DEMONIZED. Men always feared rejection, but in the past it was merely a polite no. What is NEW, WHAT CHANGED is that it is no longer merely JUST REJECTION. It is what women added on top of that which fucked up relations between genders, and since women won't take accountability, they pretend it's only about fearing rejection. W…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 06:03 PM
8	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever I was very specific in my wording. I'm not talking about business in general. I was very specific. We're talking about LEARNING ERRORS. Like small errors in calibration. The equivalent to making the move too soon or imperfect flirting or even just being awkward. In no other area of life are you demonized for learning errors and assumed to be defective for not having been born with a given skill or not being smooth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:57 PM
11	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever It is absolutely entirely women's fault that men stopped showing interest and making moves. Men didn't magically change out of thin air. It is 100000% the fault of piss poor shit communication skills on the part of women	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:54 PM
14	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're forgetting one thing. And I tell you this as a business owner. You're not declared a piece of shit immoral sinner for learning errors in business. This is the only area in life where there is an entire industry bashing learners for learning errors and impugning morality for those errors. When was the last time you saw a major publication post a column bashing a newbie business owner and making him into a piece of shit for say making an offer too soon, or not enough? Where are the tens of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:49 PM
8	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're missing the point. You blame guys as if they randomly for no reason stopped showing interest. The implication that men are these dummies who unless they're allowed to break consent will go and do nothing instead. This is the horrible narrative being spun so that women don't have to take any accountability for being such shit communicators. "We didn't say don't show interest, we just fucking suck at communication". Secondly, the point isnt just that "you shouldn't care if people like you o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:37 PM
3	Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as well You're missing the point again. Women do this in every fucking context possible. They impune morality for not meeting an unstated preference. Society and natality rates are imploding because of this bullshit. It's not just about this context. A woman who prefers you approach one way over another will label you an immoral dinner for having approached the other way. In any context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:27 PM
18	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Three things: One learns that skill through trial and error Women spent 30 years demonizing errors Women are horrible communicators about what the exact error was. HORRIBLE COMMUNICATORS Example: A man moves in closer without having first done a 3 second test to see if she's comfortable with closeness Woman: Fucking creeps, why would you approach a woman who's out with friends you fucking creeps. I'm obviously out to dance with my girlfriends not be approached by guys!!!! Argbffhrhdhdh! There's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:22 PM
3	Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as well WOAH, THATS FUCKING SCARY. So you're saying if I prefer that a rock band asked me to gest on my podcast and I prefer metal bands, I can then deem the morally repugnant for having written me this email? THAT IS NOT HOW MORALITY WORKS IN ANY OTHER ASPECT OF LIFE. And especially not if I haven't DECLARED my preferences. Fun fact: telepathy doesn't exist. You don't know a woman's preferences until you offer. In what area of life is it ok to deem an action immoral where the only way to do it right is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 04:53 PM
9	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You STILL DONT GET IT. Of course women are different!!!!!!!!!! YES. THE POINT IS 1) MEN CANNOT TELEPATHICALLY KNOW IN ADVANCE WHICH WOMAN HAS WHAT PREFERENCE 2) Men are deemed morally repugnant for showing interest in a way that specific woman didn't prefer. BUT THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW IN ADVANCE Do you get the point? MANY WOMEN ACT LIKE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCES ARE A UNIVERSAL MORAL LAW. In the past 30 years it has been normalized that a woman can SUBJECTIVELY deem your move inappropria…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 04:41 PM
15	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever The reason men think never express sexual attraction ever is because EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE WAY OF EXPRESSING IT HAS BEEN DEEMED RAPEY. Did you miss the last 30 years of demonizing men for expressing sexual interest?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 04:01 PM
4	Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as well You're not getting the point. Let me give you a different example. A guy whos her type approaches her at the cafe: Approaching in cafes is hot!!! A guy who's not her type approaches her at the cafe: stop approaching people at the cafe, you pests, ugghhh! If she said "If you're not my type don't approach me at the cafe", that wouldn't be an issue. Leaving alone the fact that you don't know until you approach, but brushing that aside, the point is that way too many women put a moral judgement when…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 03:57 PM
10	Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as well We keep spelling it out that we're only talking about the value judgement and these types of people keep pretending to miss-understand... For example take how we point out that women will place a MORAL VALUE JUDGEMENT on a guy saying hi if he's not her type. Making it seem like the very act of saying hi is immoral. Instead of admitting "he just wasn't my type". Them: Women are allowed to reject you. Get over it!!!!! Us: of course, but we're talking about the MORAL JUDGEMENT added on top. If a gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 03:50 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes the vast majority (at least 99% but probably 100%) of the content bashing men for approaching WAS A) Directed at men specifically. The articles presented themselves as telling men what to do and not do. B) They were all by feminist columnists and/or feminist websites. C) Actually attractive and cute women are now whining and complaining why men won't approach I do realize feminists did this on purpose because feminists unlike feminine women are playing the "I hit on guys" game so feminists achie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 01:24 AM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes In 15 years of following this stuff I'd say 99.99% of the stuff written didn't include specifics that would make it clear to the young reader that it's ok to approach. You're just making excuses for feminists screwing up and creating a generation of men afraid to approach women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 01:08 AM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes "Like her" refers to the woman who just says "don't approach at the cafe" without explaining that she actually means don't approach at the cafe and then go straight into bedroom banter. Young guys hear women complaining about an approach without giving context what made it bad, they just say "cafe approaches bad", Not you. You gave specifics of a bad approach. The point is women never give these specifics. They just say "cafe approach bad". You guys keep forgetting that were talking about YOUNG …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 12:30 AM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes But that's the thing. They never communicated that part. As guys we grow up seeing women like her ranting "ugggh some guy approached me at the cafe, don't approach me when I'm trying to just get my caffeine fix!", so we make a note don't approach or talk to women in cafes. And eventually that list expands to include every single possible location on planet earth because women SUCK at communicating. They DONT say: "A guy approached me at a cafe using the speed that's appropriate at a mutual frien…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 09:20 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes But that's the point. Women SUCK at communicating context. Real world example: We girls love it when guys hit on us. Same girl: uggh, I hate it when I'm just trying to drink coffee and some guy hits on me Same girl: hooks up with a guy she met at a cafe, and takes him home the same day and says how hot it is when guys have the balls to pick you up in the cafe. Difference? She was ovulating in the second situation. And the guy was an experienced lothario who knew how to communicate and read micro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:39 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes Ditto. Fortunately these days there you have threads (by ig) where you can see who these people are. The kind of man bashing femcels shit that you see on here, if you cross-reference it with who writes this kind of stuff on threads, you'll see these people look like actual bridge trolls. And on ig/facevook whenever you see women writing this kinds of misandric stuff it's always someone with like 5 friends. I didn't even think it's possible to only have 5 friends of social media. But femcels do. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:26 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes I have these types of conversations and have had them for a decade now with a ton of women in real life too. They contradict themselves in the exact same ways. It's not a reddit/online thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:21 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes You know most of us speak to women in real life and see them saying opposite things? Same woman. We all see it all the time when it comes to anything sexuality/dating reality. Like one day she'll say she hates it when guys do x, and then she hooks up with a guy coz she loves when guys do x. Same exact woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:19 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes So for example a 7 in looks with a horrible personality will still have guys pretend to like her as a person and kiss up to her and pretend that they see her as more than just a set of holes. Mids (5 in looks) with horrible personalities don't, and are relegated to "walking meat". What they don't get is that their male counterpart wouldn't even be seen as a person, he'd be invisible. She's only visible as a piece of meat, which to her feels dehumanizing. But that's because a female with no value…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 07:19 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes I mean ones who we'd rate as 2-3 in terms of partner quality overall, I wasn't talking about looks. It is typically mids with horrible personality (so a 2) who get treated as a cum dumpster and get all sorts of resentful and then spread all this toxicity online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 07:04 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes While you are correct that this is their motivation, this is not how they communicate it. It took me 10 years to realize that the women who demonize approaching are the 2s and 3s who only get approached by sleazy guys going "want some d-ck you uggo?". The issue is they don't communicate it that way! They say stuff like: "ugghhh men should stop approaching". They don't QUALIFY IT. It's only when you meet and befriend beautiful women and notice they all say they love being approached and flirted w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 06:50 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes Correction: ignore what mids say. Beautiful women don't say this stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 06:46 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes I need to correct you here. I think the part you're missing is this... You never see hot or beautiful women saying stuff like this. It's always a bunch of 2s and 3s who demonize flirting and approaching? Why? Because they have a bad experience with it. They literally get approached as a piece of meat where the guy is like "she's a 2, she should be happy I'm offering d-ck here". Chris Williamson once pointed this out in a podcast with Scott Galloway too. Anyone observant notices it's the hit, bea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 06:45 PM
10	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills I agree. This is my personal biggest pet peeve. They keep saying guys lost social skills, but conveniently ignore that women have none. They literally just wait for men to do all the skill stuff. He is supposed to know how to approach a woman and create an interesting conversation out of thin air and she's supposed to simply exist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 06:16 PM
2	Modern society won’t admit that dating is harder for the average man than average woman, because it pushes a narrative that men don’t experience disadvantages, or women have privileges. Lol when. Never seen this in over 20 years, either offline or online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 02:37 PM
11	"Both women and men believe that their gender disadvantages them. When so many men feel underappreciated and so many women feel mistreated, it creates a vicious cycle of resentment." → Research The claim being made is that men off themselves because they're too stubborn to ask for help. The truth is they ask for help and nobody gives a crap so they off themselves anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/25 11:37 PM
3	Men are shallow as well For the 5644645 billionth time: nobody has an issue with women being shallow. People have an issue with all the gaslighting surrounding it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/25 11:48 PM
1	Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward men Because women aren't required to take initiative. As a guy you have to break the distance or touch barrier at some time. Autistic women can simply wait for a guy to do it. Autistic men are in this double bind that if they don't initiate they are called cowards and blamed for being alone. But if they do come closer to try and initiate and do it for 0.7 seconds longer than a non-autist they're a horrible creep. Autistic women don't face this double bind. They can just decide to wait for a man to t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/25 07:58 AM
3	Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward men So typical. He wasn't talking about the romantic rejection itself. But how it's done, the demonization and labelling afterwards. When a socially awkward guy fumbles a date or interaction it's not just "I wasn't interested", it is complete demonization and bashing the guy because he didn't react in 0.7 seconds to a micro hint.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/25 07:49 AM
14	Women make it very stressful for men to stay single It's a myth. People can't tell your experience. In fact women go too far in the opposite extreme. They overassume skill and experience. So when she gives hints and you don't make the move, she assumes you're not interested. Even though the hint was so subtle only a player could see it. I am of course talking about ones who like you. Such a girl assumes you have a bunch of girls after you, no matter who you are because girls always assume that of a guy they like. As for the girls who don't like y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/25 08:55 PM
1	Rejection is Humiliating to Men. No they don't. They throw hints. They do believe they're being obvious, but it's only obvious to highly experienced fboys. It's called signal amplification theory.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 09:40 PM
1	Rejection is Humiliating to Men. Bs, that doesn't happen past high school. How old are you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 10:54 AM
1	Women are just as creepy as men they just get away with it. Yeah essentially women are allowed to suck or be awkward at flirting. Guys aren't. You're somehow supposed to be born smooth. Learning this social SKILL through experience (which involves trial and error) is seen as an excuse to bash men anytime they have the error part of trial and error. Essentially if you didn't master flirting by the end of high school, you're doomed to this vicious catch 22. In order to get the skill, you need experience, but you're demonized for getting the experience. It …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 09:17 AM
1	Why don't women like hearing a lot of men's attractiveness is outside of their control? 99% of the time the "solutions" are BS, and are advice that works for women, not men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 05:58 AM
1	Why do women give bad advice to men? Plenty of jerks have triple digit notch counts. Plenty of absolute sweetheart men are virgins or near virgins. You get an F for this response. The truth is that the number one thing is confidently shooting your shot. That's it. Perfect men who don't make moves sleep alone Jerks who can confidently flirt and create fun vibes never sleep alone. Do women prefer a non-jerk? Sure. But only from the guys who they see as an option. And guys who hesitate to make a move aren't even seen as an option.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 06:54 PM
3	Why do women give bad advice to men? I think your answer is closest to the truth. What I've found from looking at female friends, the advice they give is the advice that worked for them. "Just learn to relax and things will happen" was the advice I saw my best friend give to guys who struggle. Guess what... She was too rigid and closed off when guys flirted with her and to get a dating life she only needed to relax and let things happen. So she thinks that's what a guy struggling needs to do. Just relax. Not realizing guys have 28 …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 06:50 PM
12	Why are men here surprised that women give attention to men they like? There are plenty of areas where men want to have their cake and eat it too I'm sure. In this specific instance I'm commenting how women simultaneously want to complain about bad approaches, but don't want to see them stop, because they get an ego boost from rejecting men. It's the perfect way to bragplain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 05:20 PM
3	Why are men here surprised that women give attention to men they like? Don't forget they want to have their cake and eat it too	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 05:05 PM
6	Why are men putting less effort in pursuing women than before? Because every guy today has noticed how fragrantly and in-your-face women make the fboy privilege. They loudly and proudly treat fboys 1000x better than regular guys. They don't make them put in effort or jump through hoops. They'll bang an fboy 10 minutes after meeting him, but they expect the other guy to put in literally (not an exaggeration) a 1000 times more effort. If women were at least a little bit less extreme or a little bit more discreet, you wouldnt see so many guys going "no way am …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/25 03:32 PM
0	A Man is either desired by many women or no women This is true. A common gripe I've heard among guys is "why can't I just get one girlfriend? Why must I go in the journey of building a roster, to get one". Women are the ones who enforce this insane dynamic that serves no one. Any guy will tell you that if you only speak to one woman at a time, she will literally act disgusted. Talk to 10 women at a time, all 10 want you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/25 02:45 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Lol. It was better for women too. There's a reason the term situation ship didn't exist in the 90s. Women had SOCIAL SKILLS and had a LARGER pool of options. How is having MORE social skills and MORE options a bad thing? Women today are limited to dating players and sociopaths. Is that an improvement?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 08:11 PM
5	People pick and choose when women aren't a monolith. Yep. And it's the same people. There are also a lot better examples than the ones you gave. But yes feminists are notorious for speaking as-if women were a monolith. But the moment anyone else generalizes anything "women aren't a monolith!!"... Like hello? Excuse me? Just 5 seconds ago you were pretending to speak for all women and acting like you're a representative of all women and know how all women think and what all women want etc. My favorite example is when women state individual preferen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 06:33 AM
2	Women bully each other into hypergamy That doesn't even make sense as hypergamy just means dating up. Nothing to do with opinions. Like are people saying you're dating up any time you give an opinion they disagree with? How does that even work. Sounds like something you just invented. But I'd love to be proven wrong. Can you give examples of people using hypergamy to mean an opinion they disagree with?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 09:08 PM
3	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure The 90s weren't easier because women had lower standards. They were easier because BOTH genders could hold a conversation. Social media didn't just kill men's social skills - it killed everyone's. The difference? Women are the approached gender, so they never feel the consequences. A woman with zero game still gets dates because some player will show up doing conversational backflips. A man with zero game gets zero dates. Think about it: If you never had to learn to cook because food magically a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 08:04 PM
1	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. Hey I used to be black pill/antipua like 15 years ago. In fact I was one of the first leaders in the "game is a scam" movement. And most of what's taught as game is indeed a scam to sell courses. However basic sociosexual skills are in fact the real deal. Go out and test it for yourself. Walk up to 100 girls with booming voice projection, posture etc. And then approach a 100 acting like you're beneath her and she'd do you a favor. Tell me you don't see at least a 10-fold difference in results. D…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 02:48 PM
5	If you have to cold approach, that’s a sign it’s time to throw in the towel If you mean hit on yes. If you mean start a conversation with, no. I technically cold approach everywhere. Bus stop, grocery store, pedestrian walk etc... but I don't show sexual interest. I am just being social and when a girl shows more interest only then do I get flirty. Otherwise it remains at the level of neighbourly flirting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 09:35 PM
2	Let's be honest: men also have different rules for the women they're attracted to. The difference is men don't add MORAL JUDGEMENT on it. Yes a less attractive girl has to work harder to keep a guy... However men don't label fat girls "creepy" if they approach akwardly or show the slightest hint of nervousness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 01:50 PM
–	What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances? That too. When I got a sixpack I didn't have to focus on being super extroverted and charming to be deemed a cool "great guy". Girls would describe me to their friends as the coolest guy they ever met. I then gained some weight and all of a sudden I had to put in a ton of conscious effort in being charming just to not be seen as a bad person. And if I happen to be underslept, or tired, I'm seen as creepy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/08/25 06:14 AM
–	What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances? Yeah as a guy you learn this when you see who women refer to as kind in real life. It's the cool, fun, charming guy. Its kind of annoying, but a guy can be completely unkind in every other way, but if she's charming, he'll be reffered to as "kind" and "respectful" by women. Whereas actual kind guys who aren't charming enough are seen as pricks. Women just use the word differently. It means "make me feel good". "Gives me good emotions".	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/08/25 05:07 AM
1	A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid. Lol the only difference between guys who get laid and guys who don't is how often they ask women out. All this bs about women being saints who detect inner character is utter nonsense. Ironically enough, one reason assholes get laid more is because they don't care and just keep going and are unphased by rejection, whilst incels take it personally. Women created this system where literal psychopaths do best in the game, because being successful in dating women requires being impertinent to social…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/25 09:44 PM
1	Why don't we never ask men to choose better but uglier women? Wtf. No one said anything about looks. We're talking about game, not looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/25 04:39 AM
3	Why don't we never ask men to choose better but uglier women? Bs, they don't ever pick losers with average sociosexual skills. It's always an fboy that they try to fix.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/25 09:30 PM
1	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Yes we are talking about men. Does it have to be reiterated in every comment? Why did you even bother posting that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 04:31 PM
3	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating In 76% of cases it does mean sexless	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 02:05 PM
6	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Why would anyone choose to be sexless by choice, lol. Your attempt to claim a majority of single men being explained away by "they're having casual sex and calling themselves single" is cute, but the data fails you. It shows few men have an ability to have a regular sex life without a relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:55 PM
1	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating The USGSS is based on all ages and orientations. Most of the sex mentioned is in relationships (when it comes to heterosexual men). Young men are predominantly NOT in relationships Most are not having sex outside of a relationship EITHER (You do the math) If I have to spell it ou: Most men can't easily get sex out of a relationship (men in general), they only get to regular sex by getting into a relationship And most young men in particular can't even get into a relationship The men you mentione…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:45 PM
5	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating The percentage of single men who have engaged in non relationship sex over the last year is 24%. That is to say 76% have not engaged in non relationship sex. This tells us the day to day. The lifetime numbers are a little better. Up to 60% of men have engaged in casual sex at least once in their LIFE (meaning 40% haven't even once). And only 24% do so at least once a year. Does 76% not being able to get it even ONCE a year sound like something that they can do with relative ease (not struggling)…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:33 PM
7	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating In detail: Here are several flaws in the claim that "70% of men are in a relationship" and that being single makes you "below average": 1. Misrepresentation of Statistics Multiple recent studies and surveys show the opposite: A majority of young men (under 30) are single. According to Pew Research Center, 63% of men under age 30 are single, compared to only 34% of young women[1][2][3][4][5]. This means nowhere near 70% of men are in relationships, especially in younger age groups. 2. Age Matters…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:26 PM
3	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Tl;dr: Obviously we are discussing younger (dating age) men. I can't even imagine where you'd possibly get data that says "at any given time, 70% of men are in a relationship." Only guess is it's a data set looking at older married men or some weird data set distorted by older guys. Remember discussions here are about YOUNG MEN OF DATING AGE. Even those older married men, many of those men spent their 20s struggling until a reformed Stacey decided to make them a provider.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:25 PM
-2	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Same here. I love being called an incel or having a small peepee. But you know what's especially weird? They do this even on non anynomous platforms. Like on Instagram where I have a popular profile of me surrounded with beautiful people, higher status lifestyle, if I disagree with a feminist on some meme, they call me an incel. And they're actual troglodytes. Like you can see the woman (or male feminist) calling me incel is some person that has a DP like a serial killer and 15 followers. These …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:18 PM
9	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating That's because you have a skewed perspective of average based on visibility. The average VISIBLE guy doesn't struggle. The statistically average (median) guy struggles. But how would you even know? You're not friends with them, they're not in your circles. Your observed sample is already skewed. That's why sample selection is science 101. The scientific method was invented when we discovered that humans have really insanely warped perceptions about reality that don't match objective reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 12:23 PM
6	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Or you oversimplify things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 12:20 PM
7	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating They will twist everything you say to make it sound malicious, so long as it helps reduce any perception of female privilege.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 12:19 PM
3	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Get used to it. Strawmanning is a feminists favorite tool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 12:18 PM
1	Why don’t you approach men as a form of empowerment? Picking a Starbucks is literally 0.01% of things guy have to get good at to even get an early dating going. Your massive privilege blinds you though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/25 06:07 AM
2	Why don’t you approach men as a form of empowerment? Only if he's a womanizer. Regular guys wait for signals of interest, and many women don't give them as they wait for the man to show it all first.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/25 10:27 PM
1	Why don’t you approach men as a form of empowerment? If people can be "oblivious" to it, then it's not really taking a shot. Taking a shot literally means it can be accepted or rejectes. What women define as 'hitting on a man" is a joke. It's not possible to be oblivious to an actual move. If takes interpretation then it is NOT a move, but a hint.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/25 10:21 PM
2	Why don’t you approach men as a form of empowerment? Thats because as women having female privilege it is handed to you on a silver platter. You only worry about later stages since you get the early stages by there fact that you were born. Because men put in all the work in those early stages you get to not worry about them and just be a passenger as men act as the bus drivers and then you get to say that driving a bus isn't a big deal and it's all about what you do when you reach the vacation resort... Because you're just a passenger.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/25 10:13 PM
0	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. Yes women lower their standards for hot guys. But when we notice that a woman is dating a guy who doesn't meet any of her stated criteria it's not always a male model. Most of the time women contradict their stated lists for average looking guys. If it only were that simple: "women are telling the truth and their stated list is the full list, they just make exceptions for hot guys". However men are constantly scratching their heads at how what women do and say are two completely different things…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/25 05:57 AM
5	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. I disagree. That's black pill and you've labeled yourself red pill. Things like high sociosexual skills or status factor in more than looks when it comes to women's unstated preferences. Like she says she wants to date kind generous men, but she's always dating unkind selfish men. They're usually NOT male models. The unstated part is that she wants dating to happen by merely existing and she thinks that encouraging guys or making moves herself is beneath her. So she'll date guys who don't meet a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 10:05 AM
16	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. When men say they have 95% they mean based on the criteria that women list. That's the point. The list of criteria stated out loud is a lie. It's not the full list. Of course those same men only meet 2% of the full list. But that's the point OP is making. Most women only state a tiny portion of the list and pretend that's the entire list.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/25 05:34 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You went on a really completely odd weird side tangent, forgetting what thread we're on. I've tried ignoring it, but you keep swerving away from the OP's point. This wasn't about what men want or should do (they ALREADY are told that). The OP's POINT or TOPIC (keep focused here) is that men are told to CHANGE and women are told to NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THEMSELVES and simply change how they ask things of men. THAT's THE TOPIC WE'RE DISCUSSING You then proceed to ask men to change... (facepalm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 03:51 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You just perfectly proved the OP's point about entitlement. Men who wait for encouragement = 'fearful cowards with shit qualities' Women who give no encouragement = just being selective Men's dating advice: 'Stop being cowardly, transform yourself' Women's dating advice: 'Date players for experience, then find someone better' You literally quoted a sorority girl bragging that women can date hot players first, then 'partner up with a guy who is better off than the nice guy.' That's EXACTLY the en…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 03:22 PM
2	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled Nice try, but you just proved the OP's point about entitlement. Nobody's 'hand holding' men through dating. Shy men get told to completely transform themselves or die alone. Reserved women get told they're perfect as-is and deserve pursuit anyway. Men aren't asking for hand holding - they're asking for basic human signals of interest. A smile. Eye contact. Literally any indication you're interested. That's not hand holding, that's how normal human interaction works. But you frame giving zero enc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 03:13 PM
3	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You keep bringing up hookup culture like this is about cold approach. It's not. This is about your coworker, your friend's friend, the guy in your social circle - men who already know you but won't make a move without encouragement. Even in 'warm' settings where you already know each other, good guys need some sign of interest before risking the friendship or making things awkward. Women don't give it. So nothing happens. 'Those dudes aren't trying' - Right, they're not trying to turn friendship…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 03:03 PM
6	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You completely missed the point. You ask 'how is she supposed to know the shy engineer would treat her well?' She doesn't. Because she never finds out. Because he needs some sign she's actually interested before making a move - like a normal person. She gives nothing. He moves on. Story over. Your whole argument is circular: 'How can we know if these guys are good?' You can't - because your first filter is 'must approach me without any sign I'm interested.' Guess who needs a green light? Guys wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 02:45 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled Way to completely misread the point. Players don't need women to be 'inviting' - they shoot their shot regardless. That's literally what makes them players. The guys who DO need some sign of approachability? The normal ones with social awareness who won't make a move unless they sense genuine interest. The accountant at the coffee shop, the friend of a friend at the party, the guy from the gym who's not trying to hit on everyone. Think about it: Who pushes forward when a woman seems closed off? …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 02:36 PM
12	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You're proving the OP's point perfectly. The problem isn't that women have standards - it's which standards they apply to which men. Most women have two modes: 1. 'He must read my mind and pursue me through mixed signals' - congrats, you just filtered for players. Regular guys in your league respect boundaries and back off. Players don't. 'I'll make it super obvious I'm interested' - but they only do this for guys who see them as an easy Tuesday night, nothing more. So they either date players w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 02:30 PM
5	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating You've completely lost the plot. I'm talking about communication and you're deflecting to 'well men have standards too.' No shit men have standards. The difference is men don't lie. If he gets hit on by a fat chick in the dog park he doesn't say "it's wrong for people to show interest when you're walking your dog" Women will say 'approaching at the gym is harassment' when they mean 'I don't want certain guys approaching me at the gym.' That's not communicating a standard - that's being a shit co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/25 07:29 AM
5	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating You're right - it IS about consent. But that's exactly the problem - they don't SAY that. They'll say 'I hate when guys approach in coffee shops' as if the LOCATION is the issue. Then next week they're posting about the cute guy who asked for their number at Starbucks. What they MEAN is 'I hate when guys approach and can't tell I'm uncomfortable.' But that's not what they SAY. They make it sound like coffee shops are some sacred no-approach zone. This is terrible communication. A guy hears 'don'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 06:46 PM
3	Dating is not as hard for men as they claim Exactly, though we didn't need Lebesgue measure to make this point - the feminist couldn't even grasp basic selection bias, let alone measure theory.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 07:50 PM
5	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating You did it again - 'get away with more things.' That framing implies it's inherently bad behavior that hot guys are ALLOWED to do. But that's not what happens. Women don't just 'tolerate' the same behavior from hot guys - they actively CELEBRATE it as romantic and sexy. Example: Hot guy stops a woman who's clearly in a rush to hit on her? 'OMG so romantic and confident!' Not-hot guy does the exact same thing? 'Creepy predator harassing women.' The issue isn't different treatment - it's that wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 05:07 PM
6	Dating is not as hard for men as they claim You completely missed the point. The 1% figure was deliberately extreme to show why the OP's logic fails. It doesn't matter if it's 1%, 10%, or 30% - the principle remains the same: people who easily get relationships are overrepresented in what we observe because they're constantly dating, while those who struggle are underrepresented because they're not. The guy who dates 10 women in a year creates 10 visible examples of 'men easily getting relationships.' The guy who struggles for years creat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 04:02 PM
9	Dating is not as hard for men as they claim The point still stands. Even if a minority of men did something youd constantly see men doing it. That's the point. It's a way to point out a basic flaw in logic: "I see a lot of men who x" doesn't prove "doing x is easy for most men". It's a horrendous leap in logic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 03:36 PM
3	All measures to fight bad men unfortunately end up hurting normal men He said it would. We can extrapolate from all previous double standard. For example there was a website that merely indexed publically available data warning men about women with borderline, abuse records etc... The website kept getting taken offline because no host would host it. All it took was a random woman claiming it spreads hate against women. A website listing nefarious men has never gotten banned and Facebook groups on this topic are multiplying. Men are simply not allowed to share info…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/25 10:08 PM
15	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating It seems everyone has reading comprehension issues, or purposefully twisting what the OP was saying. He didn't merely say that people are more forgiving. The exact same behavior is seen as SEXY or creepy based on who's doing it. Like it's not just that she forgives the one guy when he does it. She proactively labels it hot and sexy behavior when he does it. But creepy when the other guy does. Shes not merely tolerating it, but proactively labelling it the opposite way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/25 10:36 AM
4	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more They keep missing this point. Pretending like being a simp has a higher success rate, when the whole point is it has a lower success rate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:57 PM
3	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more I'm not asking for advice. I cold approach and meet about 30 women in public every month, and have been doing it for years. I don't show upfront interest though. Only if she shows interest first, otherwise I'm the guy being social and talking to everyone. I was just pointing out that your reply is missing specifics. So to summarize, unless a man gives a compliment right on hello "he's pretending to be a friend"? Btw this is the kind of extreme moralizing language I was pointing out in the other …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:51 AM
3	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more It's kind of interesting to note though. They'll write essays upon essays upon essays of vagueness, but never give specifics. Its been like this forever. And they only give specifics when quoting negatives. Ironically different women will quote different things as negatives. But as a man the only specifics you ever get from women are "never do x", and never "do y instead". The instead is always vague. Because women quote different things as negatives there is literally no possible move you can m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:35 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Basically. It's generally a feminist trait to claim whatever owns/or belittles a male poster most. Even if it means saying completely opposite things on different days. If they want to own a guy complaining that women are too passive in dating and get dates by just existing, they will tell him that women put on a ton of effort in their clothing and makeup to get dates and get approached and asked out and to get guys to make moves. In another situation where they want to "own" a different guy the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:29 AM
3	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Nah you're just making excuses for women trying to bully guys into their own preference. It's an instinct left over from when we lived in small tribes. Women would shame men into whatever their preference was by attaching morality to it. It's not true that people attach morality to this extent. Like if I say I prefer pizza over hamburger, I will not claim that EVERYONE prefers pizza. But this is what we see with women's advice online. It always pretends to speak for all other women. Analogue (th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:24 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You missed the point. If women simply stated it as a personal preference, that would be fine. 1) The main migraine inducing issue for men is that when women give advice they frame it as a UNIVERSAL moral principle. 2) They frame it in such a way that it is the CORRECT WAY, implying MORALITY. Like it is WRONG and you're a bad person if you do x, do y instead. And then another woman is like you're not a real man unless you do x. They don't say "I prefer being approached in a club over the mall", t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:12 AM
5	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Can you provide anything specific though? What does "being honest with your intentions from the get go" ACTUALLY look like. Obviously you don't mean "Hey I'm only interacting with you because I want to get into your pants". So what do you mean, PRECISELY?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:02 AM
3	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more His point with the quotes is that women on here give guys conflicting advice, not that both quotes are coming from the same woman. Buth BOTH women are PRETENDING to speak for ALL women. You have to realize that it's super paralyzing and confusing to guys when women tell them OPPOSITE things. How do they know who they are supposed to listen to? And both (each) woman will communicate HER claim as if she speaks for ALL women, as if it were a UNIVERSAL rule. Not a preference of hers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:00 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Do you have any specific examples of way to make it obvious you find her attractive without being creepy? Otherwise this is kind of super vague and totally unhelpful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:57 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more The irony here is that a female mod was arguing the opposite with us the other day. That apparently EVERY guy can and does sexualize conversations, in fact that's how ALL relationships start. We were trying to explain that MOST guys are deadly afraid of sexualizing conversations for fear of being creepy, and that's most players, but she assured us that EVERY SINGLE relationship in the west starts with sexual banter. EVERY SINGLE one. Guys brains are exploding when seeing blue pill women saying O…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:54 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more It would help if women respected these guys. Guys who don't sexualize are seen as weak and not real men, BY women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:50 AM
10	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more The whole catch22 of this is women's lack of empathy. If you didn't master sexualizing by end of high school, you are deemed creepy when you do it awkwardly. It's almost like you're punished for daring having had other priorities in high school. The catch 22 is that in order to do it well (in a way that's deemed sexy and not creepy), you need experience. But you're not allowed to get that experience if you're creepy, which you will be if you don't have the experience. Massive catch 22.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:07 AM
8	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality Here's what you're missing: most women CAN become flirty - when they're with a guy who knows how to create that dynamic. Fuckboys, players, naturals - they bring out the flirt in women. That's probably your entire dating experience. But here's the reality check: most guys don't have that skill. They can't create that flirty vibe. They approach straightforward, have normal conversations, and make their moves based on basic receptiveness. And 'teenagers send sexy pics'? Lmao. Most guys have NEVER …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 05:25 PM
6	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality You're purposely conflating social effort with romantic effort to muddy the waters. Nice manipulation tactic, but let's clarify: Social effort: Having a conversation, responding to questions, laughing at jokes, being friendly. Romantic effort: Flirting, initiating touch, suggesting dates, escalating intimacy, making moves. These are two completely different tracks. A woman can be putting in 100% social effort (engaged conversation) while putting in 0% romantic effort (never making a single move)…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 05:19 PM
6	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality You're telling me every single relationship in America involved active flirting to start? Come on. For most men, the standard experience is exactly what OP described - they initiate, escalate, and read basic receptiveness. Not flirty banter. Just 'is she engaged in this conversation? Cool, I'll roll the dice and ask her out.' Sure, experienced players and natural flirts can draw out flirty behavior from most women - they know how to create that dynamic. But here's the thing: you're clearly movin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 04:33 PM
10	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality There's a difference between merely "not ignoring you and accepting your advances" VS ACTUALLY moving the interaction forward. Simply allowing advances and having a friendly conversation isn't putting in equal effort (in the romantic sense). In most cases guys do all the romantic effort, women just allow it. Completely ridiculous to refer to mere receptivity as effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 03:45 PM
12	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality Nah, plenty of women got into relationships without flirting, merely by "allowing" increasing levels of escalation. Some dare even say most women were/are like this, passive acceptors/rejectors of moves instead of making moves on their own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 03:42 PM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Thank you for answering. I've honestly not seen people say this for any and every type of breakup. But I don't disbelieve you as I don't follow reddit or online spaces much, so maybe it is a thing. I've personally only seen the "you should have chosen better" when a woman gets dumped after the guy used her for a little bit of sex. Which is why I made that assumption that this is what we're talking about (pump & dump or situationships)	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/25 01:31 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? No insulting ai slop. Nor am I seeking to debate anything I am genuinely curious what these other issues are. The question keeps it vague, so we all guessed wrong. It would be helpful to everyone if we knew what other issues you are asking about, aside from the ones we wrongly assumed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 10:09 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I'm genuinely curious - what broader issues do you mean? I noticed you're telling everyone they misunderstood, but you never specified what issues you meant. We all had to guess because your question was vague. In my experience, 'you should have chosen better' is specifically used for: - Pump and dump situations - Cheating - Narcissists/abusers - Men who lied about wanting relationships What other scenarios would prompt 'you should have chosen better'? Because I can't think of any beyond the pla…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 09:57 PM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? That is true and a good point yes. Agree on all counts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 08:14 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Note: for anyone reading this far. I did not delete the next 2 (last 2 comments). Mods did. It was me asking ai to comment on her math claims. 'That's not what I asked' You asked how women can choose better to avoid situations where they're told 'you should have chosen better.' That only happens when relationships go badly. So yes, this is about avoiding bad outcomes. 'You have zero insight into women's experiences' But this is about men, not women. You're not a man and can't speak to what men a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 01:02 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? 'Players have not dominated my experience' That's because you don't recognize them AS players. You think they're just 'normal confident men.' You're committing a basic logical error: 'Most moves made on me are smooth and quick' ≠ 'Most men make smooth, quick moves and don't need a boatload of encouragement" Just like: 'All Germans are Europeans' ≠ 'Most Europeans are German' If 5% of men make 95% of moves, then most moves come from players. But you've labeled them 'normal' because that's all you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 12:15 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? 'Awkwardness is not normal' Let me break this down: Awkwardness while socializing? Not normal. AGREED. Awkwardness (and hesitation) when risking romantic rejection? VERY normal for most men. But here's the key: From YOUR perspective, awkward moves seem abnormal because most moves made ON YOU come from men who aren't awkward about making moves. Do you understand the difference between: 'It's not normal to be approached by awkward men' (your experience) 'It's normal for most men to be awkward maki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 11:35 AM
8	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? You accuse me of false dichotomies, then say that unless men move 'without hesitation creating instant sparks' they must be men who 'turn into shy toddlers' around women. That's the actual false dichotomy here. Reality: Most men fall between these extremes. They can talk to women fine but get nervous showing ROMANTIC interest. Not 'shy toddlers,' just normal human nervousness when risking rejection. You're conflating different things. Growing up in co-ed spaces creates comfort with women as PEOP…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 05:25 AM
3	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? They do. But nowhere near the volume of players and narcissists etc	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 04:58 AM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Wait, I'm confused. Are you on the wrong thread? OP posted about women getting burned by men and being told they 'chose poorly.' What does your son's normal relationships have to do with that? Is your son the type of guy women regret dating? The type where friends say 'you should have seen the red flags'? No? Then how is he relevant? Or are you trying to say 'normal relationships exist'? No shit. Some women are smart and choose well-adjusted guys like your son. Most women only OCCASIONALLY stumb…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 08:25 PM
3	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I specifically wrote 'confidence (in a flirting/dating/romantic context)' and you immediately started talking about 4-year-olds playing together. Classic. You know how I know you're a woman without seeing your tag? Because NO man in history has ever conflated general social confidence with romantic confidence. Why? Because we've LIVED the difference. A guy can be: CEO of a company Life of the party with friends Great with his sister's friends Amazing public speaker And STILL freeze up trying to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 06:11 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Dude... that's LITERALLY what I've been saying this entire thread. Me: 'Women overlook 95% of good men because those men don't show interest in the way women expect' You: 'I disagree, I think women overlook good men' ??? Are you actually reading or just arguing to argue? YES, women have access to tons of good men. They just don't KNOW it because those men either: Never show interest (paralyzed by 'don't be creepy' messaging) Show interest awkwardly (no practice) and get rejected Get filtered out…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:27 PM
10	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? "Why can't a good man approach lots of women??" He can, nothing is physically stopping him from doing that. Societally however? Everything. Good men have empathy. They CARE about not making women uncomfortable. So when feminists scream that unwanted approaches are harassment, that showing interest is predatory - good men LISTEN. Know who doesn't give a fuck? Narcissists. Players. Psychopaths. Result: Men with empathy: Approach rarely, carefully, awkwardly Men without empathy: Approach constantly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:25 PM
8	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Agreed. That's my actual point. The only way things can change is if: a) Women don't punish guys for being nervous/akward (non-smooth) b) Women do the approaching Otherwise we have a system where women literally filter out good men, and then complain why they always end up with a narcissist. Yet they created a system that filters out good guys (who are 90% of the population, but get filtered out)	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:21 PM
12	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? No, but there's a MASSIVE numbers game you're ignoring. Good men CAN show interest first. But how often? Good guy: Approaches maybe 2-3 women per YEAR (doesn't want to be 'that guy') Player: Approaches 2-3 women per DAY (doesn't give a fuck) So statistically, who's showing interest in any given woman? Plus, when good men DO show interest, it's usually awkward because they have NO PRACTICE. She rejects the awkwardness. Player shows interest smoothly because he's done it 500 times. She feels 'chem…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:17 PM
14	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Just do the math - Average good guy: Makes 2 awkward approaches per year - Players/narcissists: Make 30+ smooth approaches per week For every 1000 approaches women get, 990+ are from players. The 10 from good guys get rejected for being 'awkward.' Good men exist - they just don't approach. Why? They're terrified of being 'creepy.' Meanwhile narcissists approach constantly because they don't give a fuck about boundaries. Women demand 'confidence' and 'spark'? Only players have enough practice to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:10 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? A good example that the guy is a fun date and she feels "instant spark" with him. Or how confident he is with her... Women often say it is indicative of the person being successful and having strong character in general, but that's just a rationalization. Confidence (in a flirting/dating/romantic context) correlates to nothing else except that the guy spent a lot of time practicing on a lot of women. The ability to provide a good fun date correlates to nothing in terms of overall character excep…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:00 PM
18	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Your question reveals the real problem: women don't realize how artificially limited their dating pool is. You're choosing from maybe 5% of men who find you attractive - only those confident enough to show interest despite being told it's 'creepy.' The other 95% of interested men stay silent, paralyzed by feminist messaging about respecting boundaries. They're shit scared about not doing it right and being creepy... so the wait for the perfect sign that she'll welcome the move, but that sign nev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 04:56 PM
11	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I was going to say something similar, but you came in first. But this has to be expanded. This is what it is essentially... Women prioritizing cavewoman criteria.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 04:55 PM
3	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. That is true, however it doesn't contradict what the OP wrote about. A high partner count guy doesn't mind a high count woman because he can tell she's not settling for him and he could have and would have banged her even when she was in her hoe phase. That's why. There's no "this girl rejected guys like me to bang the bot sexy guys, and now that she wants to settle she went for me since those guys don't wanna settle". If you're a high body count guy, you ARE the kind of guy she hooked up with w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 05:02 AM
–	Love and sex is not a right Oh wow love it. You're doing great work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 12:18 PM
–	Love and sex is not a right They just double down and gaslight about the gaslighting. I've been observing this stuff for 20 years and it's now come full circle. I don't know if you know the latest trend in spaces like these... But now they gaslight us that the gaslighting never happened. For example we had 25 years of feminists publishing articles telling guys not to approach. And when guys say the reason they don't approach is because feminist told us it's evil... Feminists now say we never said that. But the original art…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 12:13 PM
–	Love and sex is not a right Oh, you want specifics? Let's fucking go. 'Just be yourself' - terrible advice if 'yourself' doesn't include sexual swag, while guys putting on confident sexual personas clean up 'Women want a pleasant, stable guy who respects them' - weird how the guys racking up body counts are usually neither pleasant nor respectful, just hot and pushy enough to know when she's actually into it 'Focus on your career and financial stability' - while broke dudes with jawlines and game are balls deep in your fut…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 06:11 AM
11	Love and sex is not a right This is a purposeful distortion of what people complain about. Not a single person has ever said they're entitled to love or sex from society. What people do say (and gets maliciously twisted), is that they have been GASLIT for profit, and they feel they are entitled to TRUTH. Society gaslights an entire swath of the male population about how getting sex and love works in order to extract more work and resources out of them. When they see that the guys who get laid the most aren't following the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/25 07:17 PM
8	Women dont view having access to causal sex as a benefit There's actually an ex pua who built his entire dating system around pointing this out. That he has way more sex and much better sex than pickup artists and players, simply because he found out he has better returns if he focused on giving women great sex, so overall it's a ton of repeat business. Versus pickup artists who don't get as much repeat business and are obsessed with the vanity metric of lifetime body count. As opposed to lifetime great sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/25 02:13 PM
1	Women dont view having access to causal sex as a benefit That does actually happen. There are dating coaches where this is their entire method. Like build harems by being good in bed. So their focus is build a roster by getting better at retention, as opposed to the pickup artist strategy of 'keep having more and more one night stands until some or them become repeats" Their method is that if you're great in bed and care about her pleasure you'll get way more sex OVERALL than players and pickup artistS who put all their effort at the top of the funnel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/25 02:08 PM
1	Women dont view having access to causal sex as a benefit But the only reason they don't value it is precisely because it's so easily available to them. Casual sex is better than nothing when otherwise you can get nothing. This is true for women as well. Except for most women unlike most men, this is a cyclical/phase type thing. There are phases or days on which they want anything and even casual is better than nothing. Except because they can always get casual they don't know what they would feel like if they couldn't EVEN get that. AND WHY are we so …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/25 02:01 PM
1	Telling men to have more friendships with woman is misleading because women treat friendships and dating the same Yes, no, kinda. You're wrong and right in some ways, but also wrong. I have tons of hot female friends now. Best thing I did for my dating life. The part that you're right about is that they expect you to be cool to be around. That part is mutual to guys they want to bang. But here's the fun part. The threshold is much lower. Female friendships are the perfect way to practice being a cooler, more socially "tuned in" guy. The issue with dating has always been that unless you figured it out in hig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/25 05:20 PM
2	Men are not attracted to young women because they are "naive and easy to manipulate" but mainly because they are thinner and have nicer skin. If you are a woman and you take care of yourself, you can post-pone "hitting the wall" and remain attractive even into your early 40s. Yep. This is easily proven by the fact that older guys don't pursue out of shape overweight 20 year olds. If it really were driven by "wanting someone easy to control and manipulate", why would this be the case. In fact when I talk to male friends, the most common gripe is: man why do I have to go younger to have more options of a fit, in shape date. Like it's annoying when you notice most of the fit, in shape options are younger then you'd like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/25 02:55 PM
2	CMV: Consent is sexy Nah that's mainstream feminism. Theyve lobbied to make it mandatory training in literally every campus and institution on the planet. These aren't fringe online trolls. Feminists write entire PhDs and books about the idea and are dead set on making it a formal policy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:59 AM
0	CMV: Consent is sexy Let's not go that far. If a guy merely asks out 20-30 girls in a month he'll find his rizz raises enough to find himself acting cockier and rizzier. The issue is if he waits until he has rizz to start doing it. That's putting the cart in front of the horse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:56 AM
0	CMV: Consent is sexy Normal people don't. That's the point. We're pointing out that it's unrealistic. Feminists say that you have to verbalize at literally every step and never make a woman uncomfortable for even a microsecond (discomfort > war crimes). Truth is it's normal to misread some times, get a no sorry and move on. No big deal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:41 AM
0	CMV: Consent is sexy Yes, key word being "done right". And the only guys who can do it right are guys who are already smooth with women and can read moments so well that they don't even need lines. So it's a moot point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:36 AM
1	CMV: Consent is sexy Nice idealism. The real world progression doesn't work that way. You can't learn to flirt perfectly before you make your first move. In fact the way most people learn flirting is that they make akward moves in high school, and the gaps get naturally filled in with flirting. The only issue is guys who focused on other things and start learning later in life are given less leeway (akward moves are ok in high school but creepy beyond that). Like I can actually tell you've never actually tried to co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 09:03 PM
2	CMV: Consent is sexy The other point though, which you would know if you ever tried to teach in actual real life: the guy who can use these lines doesn't need these lines. When you get swag they come out of you naturally. That's the paradox. So saying "oh there are lines you can say", but the lines themselves can only be used by guys who don't even need to ask. What's the point of mentioning the lines if the only guys who can use them are guys who'd naturally use them anyway? No point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 08:07 PM
2	CMV: Consent is sexy That's the point though. You have to learn through trial and error, but the same feminists who came up with "enthusiastic verbal consent at every step" demonize all and any error. Fact is that a guy has to have some blunders here and there to learn. You just can't be given a method that lets you magically become smooth without annoying, or even making a couple women weirded out and even slightly uncomfortable. But literally all of the same people keep writing articles and making tiktoks about gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 08:05 PM
4	CMV: Consent is sexy It's so obvious you've never tested this in real life by giving it to akward guys. These lines said by a guy who isn't already highly sociosexually experienced would result in utter cringe. Like in order to even deliver these lines you need pretty good delivery, and ability to read the moment... in other words, you need to already be the guy who doesn't even need to do the "check verbally at every step" stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 07:36 PM
5	CMV: Consent is sexy You're forgetting that it's impossible for things to have even come this far without any prior moves and escalation. The feminists are saying you need to ask at every step, and misreading at any step is a horrible crime. Are you telling me you kept formal distance, never so much as brushed a shoulder nor even kissed... And then you talk like this out of nowhere? Obviously not. So how did you follow the feminist verbalizing model in all the previous steps? What about all the previous escalation a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 06:38 PM
17	CMV: Consent is sexy The thing you're missing is that a guy who has that level of acuity doesn't even have to verbalize. That's the whole irony. The whole idea of explicitly asking was invented for akward guys who aren't at that level. But when they do it's unsexy. The only guys who can pull off verbalizing without it being cringe are the very guys who don't even need it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 06:36 PM
1	Men, what's the worst thing that happened to you after asking a woman out? I've never visited a bar in my life. They literally don't exist in my country. We only have nightclubs and cafes. But thanks for playing. Obviously context changes things, but only whether they do it on hello or later. For example no woman will do an eye roll if you start a conversation in yoga class or running clubs or whatever. But they do other stuff later on, from what other posters have shared in this thread. It doesn't matter what the context is. A percentage of women will wreck noncharmin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 06:30 AM
19	Men, what's the worst thing that happened to you after asking a woman out? Actually I was typing that and got a notification and it got destroyed. But I'll retype it again. The most common kind when approaching akwardly was a disgusted face like she's going to puke, shake her head violently and make a scene to make it clear to anyone watching that she's disgusted that I thought I could possibly start a conversation with. Making it absolutely clear and as visible as possible to onlookers. Once when approaching, I don't know if I even got first word out, she started scre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 09:45 PM
15	Men, what's the worst thing that happened to you after asking a woman out? There's a huge selection bias here. Most regular guys almost never ask women out. They wait for the rare woman who basically throws herself at them. So most of the actual approaching is done by players who learned young. When you ask for horror stories, you're hearing from the occasional regular guy who finally worked up the courage to approach someone but came across as awkward instead of smooth. A percentage of women are absolutely vicious to awkward guys making moves, while the exact same app…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 09:07 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? This is desperate damage control. You can't admit the obvious: feminist dating advice filtered out every respectful man and left only the psychopaths. You taught decent men that approaching was predatory, escalating was assault, persistence was harassment. Only men who didn't care about your rules - actual misogynists and abusers - remained confident enough to pursue women normally. Now you're stuck with the consequences. The considerate men became paralyzed with anxiety while the predators kept…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 03:19 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? That's delusional. These guys can't even approach women because they've been so thoroughly programmed against assertiveness - but somehow they're secret wannabe abusers? They followed every feminist rule: Don't approach unless invited. Don't persist. Don't escalate without explicit permission. They became exactly what you said men should be - passive, deferential, sexually neutral. Now you claim their real problem is they want to be abusive? No - their problem is they believed your lies about ho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 03:01 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? You're proving my point. You call it 'poor treatment' when passive guys criticize the contradictions they see, but ignore actual poor treatment from sexually successful men. These rule-followers aren't abusing women - they're barely even approaching women. They followed feminist rules about consent and passivity to the letter. Their only 'crime' is pointing out that the men who ignored those rules are the ones in relationships. Meanwhile, genuinely abusive men who never cared about your rules co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 02:50 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? You're deflecting. Feminists created these 'bitter' men you're complaining about. These guys were taught that normal male assertiveness was predatory, that any persistence was harassment, that they needed explicit verbal consent for every move. So they followed the rules - waited for clear signals, never persisted, suppressed their sexuality to be 'good men.' Predictably, they got nowhere. Meanwhile, guys who ignored feminist dating advice - including actual misogynists - kept approaching with c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 02:39 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? It's simple. A guy who hits on women shamelessly gets laid. Many misogynists and psychopaths approach and hit on everything in sight and get laid a lot. This is why we say misogynists get laid. Guys who wait around for a woman to show him interest don't get laid (unless super attractive). Some of these guys get bitter seeing that much lower quality guys get laid... Feminists label said bitterness misogyny"	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 10:30 PM
1	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. What a convenient way to miss the point. The point is that it's a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny minority of men doing the vast majority of approaches. Most guys do zero, 1 or 2 approaches a year (we do have studies for this), and then a tiny fraction do hundreds or thousands of approaches a year. This is why as a woman you can be approached all the time, and we could still have a situation where most men approach. BOTH CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME if a tiny minority of men does a ton of approaches. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/25 01:17 PM
1	Approaching women who aren’t approachable Honestly when you have good vocal projection you'll find that it makes zero difference. Actually, the opposite. I've had the best things come out of the sets that looked most difficult. They seem to respond the best for some reason. But only if it's done in a high status way. Like imagine you have a winning lottery ticket and you're running after her to give her the winning lottery ticket she dropped. That kind of energy.	/r/seduction	07/06/25 07:41 AM
8	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. "Literally every woman told them" - simply not a fact We're literally on Reddit where every relationship/dating sub is filled with women telling men to 'be more emotionally available,' 'communicate better,' 'be respectful,' 'women want emotional connection.' Every day there are thousands of comments from women claiming they want nice guys who treat them well. You're gaslighting about gaslighting. On this very platform, women constantly tell men that being sexually aggressive is 'toxic' and that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:46 PM
17	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. We're reaching double-layers of gaslighting. When guys notice this stuff, they're told they're hallucinating it, and they must be incels. "It's not true that girls go for the jocks, bullies, chads, sexually agressive guys, girls just want a kind good guy". We now have a second layer of being gaslit about the gaslighting: "It's not true that women lied to you about what women go after, no woman lies about the well known fact that women go after bullies, chads, jocks, small-time criminals, narciss…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:42 PM
2	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. Ironically she keeps changing her story. In a debate with me today, her entire argument was "yes women lie, but it's your fault for believing them". Now it's that they don't lie. The thing with gaslighting, like all lying in generally is that the story keeps changing, and that is the case with OP, she can't keep a straight narrative, and her argumentation changes on who's challenging her on what. And her favorite method? Strawmanning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:39 PM
15	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. This entire post dodges the real issue: there's a curtain between the sexual in-group and everyone else, and women actively maintain different realities on each side. Every guy in the out-group grows up hearing women say they 'hate players,' 'need emotional connection,' 'want respect.' Meanwhile, behind the curtain, those same women are eagerly hooking up with guys who openly treat them as casual sex. The lie isn't about looks - though looks can get you through the curtain. I learned this person…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:32 PM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. Same thing with extra semantic steps. The behaviors you listed - not making enough eye contact, or doing too much), hesitating akwardly, etc - these ARE what awkwardness looks like. When someone is nervous or socially anxious, that's EXACTLY how it manifests. You're essentially saying 'we don't call awkwardness creepy, we just call all the symptoms of awkwardness creepy.' That's the SAME THING with extra steps. The original point stands: behaviors that stem from shyness and social awkwardness ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 01:55 PM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. Lol you proved the point. You said it's not true and then proceeded to admit that it's true. You literally described shy/akward behavior and then became defensive about how women should be able to feel creeped out by it. OF COURSE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT. You getting defensive about it proves the main point, that women get creeped out by shyness/akwardness. JUST BE HONEST ABOUT IT. It's the gaslighting and dishonesty that people have an issue with. All these lies that supposedly women "ONLY la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 02:40 PM
1	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. You wrote an entire essay, missing the point. The point is there are no inappropriate situations, only bad approaches. A man will approach a woman in a way she deems creepy, and instead of her saying that she will say "ughhh I was doing grocery shopping, it's inappropriate to approach women whilst grocery shopping". But that exact same woman would be swept off her feet in that EXACT SAME GROCERY STORE being approached in the exact same aisle by a guy who can do it well. Same situation, different…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 02:33 PM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. To add. Inappropriate situation is a backwards explanation women give after deeming a guy creepy. If he had approached smoothly and confidently (OR been hot) it wouldn't have been labelled inappropriate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:19 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. Literally every situation on planet earth has been labeled as not appropriate to approach in by some women. If guys chose to make sure he never approaches in situations that might be deemed appropriate, no guy would ever approach ever. Furthermore, it's ironically the leading cause of being seems creepy. When you hesitate and start trying to assess is it appropriate to approach or not, you actually trigger creep-radar in most girls. The literally best guaranteed way to guarantee you're never dee…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:18 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. From my experience, women act creeped out most often when a shy, akward guy approaches them non smoothly. When you ask them they claim they only use the term creepy for guys who won't take a no for an answer. That's not what we see in real world. Almost always we see the word used to describe clumsy, akward attempts at an approach as creepy. That's like 99% of situations when I see the word used. For example the biggest factor is when a guy hesitates... Like lingering and changing his mind about…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:13 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. That's because 99% of approaches are made by 1% of guys. The guy who approached you also approached 23 other women that day. Whereas most guys (like 99% of guys) are in the 0-5 approaches a year range.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:09 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. One thing that women don't understand is that 99% of approaches are done by 1% of men. I'm actually in that 1%, I probably meet and exchange IGs with at least 3-4 girls each time I leave the house. The thing is though that you have to learn how to approach smoothly in order to not be deemed creepy (or be hot, which I'm not). Most guys when they (occasionally) try to approach clumsily, it goes really bad and the women act creeped out. The reason you see most approaches going well is because you'r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:06 AM
2	Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards. Same can be said about fertility markers in women... They genuinelly contribute to healthier offspring. It's about how much weight an attribute is given tho. Let's say a man consistently dates abusive women just because they have better fertility markers than his other options. We would call him shallow. He prioritizes one set of criteria over another... as we all have to do, since we don't have access to the rare humans who maxed out on all fronts. Would he take the tradeoff in getting a "merel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/25 07:40 PM
7	Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards. No not really. Broke non tall guys with charisma can get laid too. But we're talking the kind of rizz that takes more years to achieve than becoming a surgeon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 09:37 AM
0	Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards. To be fair you can be a broke guy with rizz and get women. You're not a better human being if you spent thousands of hours trying to bang everything in sight, yet women treat awkward men like pariahs and act like having rizz is somehow a noble character trait	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 09:26 AM
38	Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards. I don't see the issue. Two different sets of attributes altogether. The "unrealistically high standards" is about shallow criteria such as height, rizz, looks. The "low standards" is about deeper character traits. Like when a woman will go for the abusive guy because he's tall and later claim all men are narcissists. So she refuses to increase her character standards (don't date narcissists) because she is obsessed with dating hot/popular guys (refuses to lower that set of criteria).	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 08:43 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational You keep changing the subject. Nobody said anything about blame or what not. It's something you keep inserting. Nobody ever said anything about either frustration or blame or any of those things. The point is that if a woman has a high count we can reasonably assume it means she's flawed in some way and couldn't get a guy to stick around. That guess is wrong some of the time, but correct most of the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 05:01 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational How could it be applied to women? There's no such thing as seducing a man into sex. He already wants to have it. I'm not justifying male promiscuity. Only explaining why one is seen as a feat of skill, and the other isn't. Think of those clips of guys doing dangerous stunts. We go WOW. We are not saying wow because we approve of it or think it's good that there's guys risking death for likes online. We're saying wow because we see the skill it takes to pull off, whilst knowing it's dumb and bad …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 04:54 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational So you admit men make it super easy for women to get laid. Glad we agree. The point is that getting laid for women requires the same skillset as farting in public. It's not an impressive feat because the only thing it requires is either impulsivity or not caring what people think. No skill required beyond that. Getting laid a lot as a man requires more skill than becoming a surgeon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 04:47 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Lol. That's literally an imaginary scenario. Becoming a good lover is literally 1000x easier than becoming a good seducer. Why would someone spend 1000x more effort at getting new lays, when he could just not suck in bed. Something that's literally 1000x easier than getting new lays.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 04:44 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Literally any woman could get a 1000 lays a month if she just put out an ad. Most boring, plain woman ever. Not even celebs can reach the powers of a mid woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/25 06:36 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational It's called heuristics. It's in every area of life. If someone is chronically unemployed we assume they're a bad employee, have discipline issue etc... They might have just had bad luck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/25 06:19 AM
2	Planning to quit my job to meet girls at hostels So? Get over that issue. It literally only takes a couple of days, or at most weeks. When you figure out most cute girls are flattered when you approach confidently, it won't feel weird. Youll love doing it. At first it will be weird and you'll be akward and the responses will range from neutral to very warm. *Even when you're akward and just starting out some of the girls will still be super nice and receptive. But keep going and you get smoother until you get to a point where 99% are super nic…	/r/seduction	28/04/25 12:17 PM
1	Planning to quit my job to meet girls at hostels Why tho. You can talk to girls at the bus stop, sidewalk, store. They're everywhere and don't need to be travelling.	/r/seduction	27/04/25 09:24 PM
6	Women more prone to express disgust and take offense when a guy perceived as "below their league" shows any kind of interest I do the same. I only start conversations for the sake of making conversations, its not a romantic approach, unless she turns it romantic But even then, the mids will invent interest to boost their ego. Like you can't even say a friendly hello to a mid neighbor. She'll talk about how this creep neighbor's is creeping on her. I do a ton of talking to people everywhere, and the beautiful girls take it for what it is, just being social. The mids quite often act like you're hitting on them even if s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 09:00 PM
0	Women more prone to express disgust and take offense when a guy perceived as "below their league" shows any kind of interest True. Which I could upvoted this 50k times. So many of the issues in modern dating are rooted in gaslighting men. Nobody wins when we lie to young men, not the people doing the lying, nobody.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 04:58 PM
19	Women more prone to express disgust and take offense when a guy perceived as "below their league" shows any kind of interest This is the correct answer. Should be most upvoted. Bragplaining is such an evil. It's a vicious cycle. Men are afraid of approaching for fear of being labelled a creep. And you have an epidemic of mids who label guys creep as a way to bragplain. My solution and suggestion to me is to never approach mids. If you only talk to beautiful women you never run the risk of a bragplained creep accusation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 04:56 PM
–	You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in dating There's no such thing as "nobody wants to date you". It's how you find the ones that do without humiliation, embarrassment and suffering. And this is the part that lonely guys deal with. Loneliness and sexlessness in 99.99999% of situations is about not knowing how to initiate dating and how to flirt. It's rare that any of these guys are completely un-date-able. For every one of these guys there are girls who would date him, but he doesn't know who these girls are as they sit around and wait for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 11:27 PM
1	The Just World Fallacy is one of society's biggest barriers to Dating for Men This is a huge one that many won't admit. We have this screwed up system where if you didn't prioritize chasing pussy in high school, you end up in a vicious cycle. Girls past high school won't give you a chance if you don't have the experience. But in order to get the experience you need someone to give you a chance. It turns into a vicious cycle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 08:48 AM
2	"Chad" is less likely to be misogynistic than a sexually inexperienced man: A study found that the more sexually experienced a man is, the more biased he is towards women. Wow I'm astonished at everyone here commenting without having read the study. Did you EVEN look at how they defined misogyny? From my experience reading studies like these, their misogyny measuring device includes things that amount to: "Believes modern dating is unfair and women keep dating a bad subset of guys". So if you define misogyny that way, of course the guy chosen doesn't think women pick the wrong guys and automatically isn't deemed "misogynistic" by the algorithm they use.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 07:15 AM
0	Men aren't approaching women due to a lack of social skills, merely because they are taught not to. Stop this "social skills" and "socializing" crap diversion. You can socialize until the cows come home but at some point SOMEONE has to make a move or show interest. THIS is the part were talking about. Moving an interaction from the merely social to the sociosexual realm. And THIS is a separate skill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 05:23 AM
1	There is no good Bluepill Dating Manual. That doesn't give the actual specifics	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 10:02 AM
1	There is no good Bluepill Dating Manual. Great point. Blue pill never offers any solutions and in fact is the main cause of incels. It is the mainstream that says "wait for dates to magically drop in your lap, and if they're not, bugger off and somehow stop existing your mere existence is making us uncomfortable" And then they wonder why you have all these young guys joining the incel movement which is basically "I wasn't popular in high school and so I'm doomed, it's over". You really can't have a society where you either figured it a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 08:23 AM
2	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. I know one who had his life ruined and proved his innocence after a long and expensive fight. The girl in question was a wannabe sugar baby who got angry that he didn't pull out a wad of cash after sex and hence decided to falsely accuse him of rape.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 06:39 PM
1	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Back to topic: he was put in that prison by a woman. Forget the extra crap that happens once he's inside. Losing ones freedom due to a false accusation is bad enough. When op says men feel unsafe around women, it's because they know any woman could point a finger and destroy his life (prison, loss of career, family, etc). Wouldnt you feel unsafe around someone that you know could just randomly decide to destroy your life?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 06:30 PM
4	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Funny. When you hire a hitman to kill someone you go to jail too. This "I'm not really responsible if I get others to do the actual violence for me" doesn't fly in court.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:18 PM
-2	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. I'm very aware of how feminists do "statistics". I recommend the bestseller book "how to lie with statistics"... You might learn a thing or two. While I haven't seen the specific study you mention, from previous research I've seen how feminists label data. For example there was a study where they asked women if they at any moment felt emotionally pressured, and if they said yes they would label it as "almost raped" even if the woman herself would never call it almost raped. You have to actually …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:17 PM
5	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. So then it's ok for a woman to put a man there because others do the deed? She only placed him in a pit of poisonous snakes, she didn't do the actual biting so it's ok? She didn't do the actual murdering, she just lied to her brothers to do the killing for her, so that makes it ok??? Wttrrffffff?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:12 PM
9	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. So then it's ok for a woman to put a man there because others do the deed? She only placed him in a pit of poisonous snakes, she didn't do the actual biting so it's ok? Thing is, everyone hates rapists. Including other prisoners. If you go to jail on a rape accusation you will be handled by the other prisoners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:11 PM
10	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. The worst case in FA is being buttraped by a prison gang for decades and/or murdered by her family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:08 PM
1	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Why are you grouping raped and "almost raped"? Should we group "ended up in jail due to a false accusation" and "barely escaped being jailed and murdered due to a false accusation"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:06 PM
16	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. He didn't say "shit beat in, raped, dismembered and thrown into a ditch" vs "accused with no consequence". You did that. You took the worst case of one and compared it to the best case of the other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 02:51 PM
10	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Why are you comparing the worst case scenario of one, with the best case scenario of the other? The worst case scenario for a false accusation is spending the rest of your life in prison as your mother commits suicide and you get buttraped daily for decades to come. That's at least as likely an outcome (if not more likely) then the (dismembered and left in a ditch) outcome for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 02:46 PM
13	"Male romantic loneliness is due to women not putting up with shitty behavior anymore" take is pure BS You were. They just misrepresented you on purpose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 06:41 PM
29	"Male romantic loneliness is due to women not putting up with shitty behavior anymore" take is pure BS I don't think the op pointed out dark triad attraction in order to say that's what all women go for all the time. I think he pointed it out to dispell the notion that women are rejecting guys for "not being good" He's not saying the opposite ("women primarily go for and seek out dark triad guys"). I think he means that the claim "you're single because you're not a good person" is easy to dismantle seeing that dark triad guys have no problem getting laid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 03:16 PM
5	"Male romantic loneliness is due to women not putting up with shitty behavior anymore" take is pure BS Thats a very common disingenuous tactic for sure. Feminists often use "social skills" as euphemism for game (sociosexual skills and success) You could have 5000 friends, i.e all the friends in the world and have no game. But some people love calling it "lacking social skills", which is just one of many ways to gaslight us that not getting laid a lot is some sort of a character flaw.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 03:12 PM
1	Expecting a partner to at least be in a similar economic position as you is entirely reasonable Put another way... Women will look at a guy with top sociosexual skills (say a full-time club organizer, dancer, artist, etc...) and find him lacking because he doesn't also have a masters. Then they'll meet a guy with a masters and call him dense and lacking in sociosexual skills (using the club promoter as a reference point). *Obviously it can be any combination of criteria. Just painting a simple example. They'll defend said criteria by saying "but why can't I insist on a guy with masters, I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 06:20 PM
1	Expecting a partner to at least be in a similar economic position as you is entirely reasonable I think what's unreasonable is the combination of criteria. No criterion alone is seen as unreasonable by anyone. It's like a girl who posted that she doesn't understand why all of her friends tell her she's unreasonable. Her side of the story sounded very reasonable... Until I grilled her for details... She wanted an educated, ambitious and successful guy (her match, reasonable) who simultaneously had the sociosexual skills of an fboy who invested his time in partying. Pick one. The combination…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 06:15 PM
6	Is it fair to say that women can struggle in dating as well? And substantially better odds at that. The odds of a mid-tier woman getting commitment from a high-tier man are like hitting the lottery. But when this is pointed to them, they say "oooh, but I once gave an average guy a chance and it didn't work out"... Like seriously? It's still like 10000x higher chance of working out than pursuing a guy out of your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 07:35 AM
1	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? What's with everyone on here projecting like this? It happens every time. I'm in the top 1% in terms of experience and did my share of playing the field. I conciously made it a focus which is why I understand both levels. Every single effing time when you guys are informed what's normal you go "well it must be a issue, you must be timid and talk to no one". You guys have exceptionally warped views of what's normal, a good 50% of men are in the cohorts of 1 partner, 2 partners or 3 partners. If y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 03:21 PM
2	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? We're talking about taking things beyond the social and into the sexual/romantic. Not "strike up a conversation", but beyond that. Most situations, the men are unsure "is she just being friendly or does she want me to ask her out/make a move". Most of the time they don't go further due to this dilemma. Not lack of interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 03:06 PM
3	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? What am I saying? I'm saying you can't make claims about the guys who didn't make a move. You're not telepathic. You don't know why they didn't make a move. Guys keep telling women that most normal guys hesitate most of the time and end up not making a move, not due to lack of interest, but because they're not sure enough that it will be welcome. You in turn insult them and call them lacking in basic social skills.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 03:04 PM
3	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? I never said you only dated players. What I'm saying (and often tell my female friends) is that the average guy only has these bouts of confidence or things aligning every now and then. If he has a 100 women show interest in him, things might line up just right like 2 out of 100 times. Like he gathers enough courage to take risks on incomplete information and it just happened to be the right kind at the right time etc... it doesn't mean he was uninterested the other 98 times. They, like you, bel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:59 PM
5	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? That's because you're not counting all the ones who didn't make a move. The invisible men. You're looking at all the men who did make a move and declaring they represent the bulk of men who wanted to make a move and anyone who didn't is uninterested or timid and anxious and lacking basic social skills.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:48 PM
3	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? It's the same in social circles. Players dominate most flirting attempts and are far more attuned to subtleties and ambiguous signals and also more likely to take risks and not wait for 100% certainty. Yes in social circles it's better, but the percentages are still heavily skewed towards most of women's experiences being with above average men. All of my female friends refer to basic normal hesitation in guys as if it were a pathology. I often point out to them that they only ever see as normal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:40 PM
2	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? I asked the AI what it thinks and it said this: She's making a problematic assumption that any socially competent man can accurately detect women's interest and should confidently act on it. Her statement implies a binary where either: You're socially skilled and can reliably interpret subtle signals (and therefore should confidently make moves) You're timid and socially awkward if you're uncertain about someone's interest This overlooks the reality that interest signals are genuinely ambiguous …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:35 PM
5	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? No, women confuse advanced smoothness with "normal". It's normal to be a little awkward if you're unsure about her interest, THAT is normal. If most men aren't making awkward moves, it's because they don't make a move unless absolutely certain, which is pretty rare due to women's ambiguous signals. It is normal to be unsure if she wants you to make a move or not. Only players are exempt of this. But the reason women don't know this is because players are doing 98% of the approaches and flirting …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:23 PM
6	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? In my estimation I think this happens because women insist on a dating dynamic that's impossible with good men. Namely they want to give minimal plausibly deniable signals of interest and still have the guy bust through those and make it happen. But good guys don't do that. They're afraid of being creepy or coming on too strong. It's not that women don't want good guys, they do. They just have this contradictory set of rules about how things should happen that precludes good guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 07:45 AM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Ah accountability, something many women are allergic to in this context. They've actually done the studies. When women THINK they're showing blatant "signals", it's completely invisible to anyone but her. In fact in the studies they had women trying to read if another woman was showing signals and they were no more accurate than the men. In other words it's a signal sender issue, not a signal receiver issue. But accepting that would take some accountability. It's easier to say the receivers are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 12:12 AM
0	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? It's just an excuse for laziness. If she gave a ton of signals and he still doesn't approach, maybe she can claim that. But let's be real, most women don't give a ton of signals before deciding a guy isn't interested. And 99.99999% of men will not approach without a signal. It doesn't matter how interested he is. Feminists have blatantly made it clear that approaching without a signal is tantamount to mini rape. It doesn't matter how interested you are in her, you must wait for a signal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 03:08 PM
0	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? You literally said "you're delusional, women don't have options because I never get approached" But that's proving the point: I never said women get approached. They don't. Because they're too lazy to invite it. You're defining having options as getting approached. I never mentioned anything about approaching. You did. All women have to do in order to uncover all those options is approach men, or at least make it blatantly clear they want to be approached. An option doesn't have 'option', writte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 03:02 PM
0	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Also, back to the original discussion, which you derailed in several layer. The point is this: - Women have a ton of options. All they have to do in order to tap into those options is actually approach or ask guys out. And if they insist that the man has to do that part, the VERY LEAST they can do is show clear interest that they want TO BE approached/asked out. The very fact that women define having options as "getting things by merely existing" is the biggest sign of entitlement. It doesn't co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 02:54 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? You keep making it about you. I don't care about you. We're talking about society at large. Now, back to the actual topic (women at large, not you); The point is that these women that you say go: "if you have to approach him he simply doesn’t like you". You do not see the laziness and entitlement in that statement?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 02:49 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? I agree, but you didn't read that part. What I said was that if women were unlazy they'd do the approaching themselves instead of bothering with invites. But women are SOOOOO LAZY they have two layers of laziness. Not ONLY do they insisist on not doing the approaching themselves (which women have historically done)... but today's women are soooo lazy that they both insist that men should come to them, and that they shouldn't do anything or learn how to make it happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 02:43 PM
3	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? I didn't say men approach. I'm saying men rarely almost never approach these days due to two things: feminists have demonized cold approach and told guys do NOT approach women unless they specifically make it clear that they're asking to be approached at the same time women are the laziest they've ever been in the history of humankind when it comes to inviting approaches... They just expect to meet men by merely existing. The very fact that you ask this question proves the point. Women are so la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 02:18 PM
4	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Where did I say "get every guy"? That's just more proof of the entitlement. Women think they should be getting a 100% success rate, otherwise it's beneath them to lift a finger and they'd rather stand around and wait for stuff to be handed to them for merely existing, without putting in effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 11:52 AM
0	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? That's because women are lazy irl. They do have a ton of options. But they'd have to put in the slightest effort like demonstrating that they're interested in being approached or asked out. Even an average woman who simply learns how to show approach invitations and make her interest clear could have a dozen dates lined up each week. But that's too much to ask for. They want to get approached and asked out merely for existing. I don't have options means: men aren't dropping into my lap by me mer…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 08:55 AM
6	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? I actually believe this. There's this paradox where men are most likely to approach less attractive women. It's because of the misconception that "ugly women are easy". So less attractive women get most of the approaches as weird as that sounds.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 08:52 AM
5	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? It's ok to have preferences, but "mentally challenged"?!?!???? Seriously. I'm happy that men didn't approach you. They could probably tell from your vibe that you're like this. So if you didnt approach when you were in your 20s it was ok because you were still timid. But if guys didn't, they were "mentally challenged".	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 08:50 AM
6	"Bar for men is in hell, most women just want a guy who treats them like a human being" is a hilarious lie. As others have pointed out, that's a situation created by many women trying to date the same guy. Why put in effort if he has all these options. Not putting in more effort than you have to isn't even a human trait, it's a trait of all organisms. You only put in as much effort as necessary. That's true across all species and organisms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 12:03 AM
1	I can't believe how many people in here still haven't read Models Models is a very feel good oversimplification that makes you feel like "you get it and now the doors to pussy are unlocked"... But then you realize nothing changed, you're no better at approaching, closing, anything at all. It's just a feel good book.	/r/seduction	01/02/25 07:23 AM
1	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. Continued Me: I don't know, you tell me Ai: I think there are a few key psychological dynamics at play: First, there's often a strong element of competitive one-upmanship in these spaces. When someone shares a serious challenge, others may feel compelled to present themselves as "above" that problem - similar to how someone might respond to someone's financial struggles with "Just make more money like I do." Second, there's likely some wishful thinking and fantasy projection happening. These res…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 08:31 PM
1	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. I asked the AI what it thinks of you, and this is what it said: This is an interesting social observation about dating discussions online. Let me break this down: The initial point about men navigating ambiguous signals is a well-documented challenge in dating. It reflects real social dynamics where subtle cues and indirect communication are common, and misreading these signals can have social consequences. The response you're describing - claiming extremely forward behavior from women - is fasc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 08:27 PM
2	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. You do realize this thread was about men, and that means the male collective most of which are average? What were you trying to achieve? Was there even any point to it? Why did you even respond to let us know that some guys have women throw themselves at them? Obviously the thread is not about those guys. Obviously we were talking about the common man whose options do not include "stand around and wait for a woman to grab my d".	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 08:17 PM
2	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. People don't go around recording conversations with their female friends so as to provide "evidence" to random weirdo LARPers on reddit. Nor do they keep a list of bookmarked parts of videos and TikToks as examples in case a gaslighting weirdo like you requests it. Can you provide evidence that average guys have random women walking up to him and kissing him, grabbing his dick and openly hitting on him to such a great quantity that he can have his pick of beautiful women to such an extent that h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 05:41 PM
2	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. If you're going to pretend not one woman has said something which is common, I will declare that you're arguing in bad faith. Most women are afraid of being too forward. Women giving fuck me eyes and touching you a lot are the minority. It is generally ugly women and feminists (but I repeat myself) that tend to be more forward and hit on men more directly. Most mainstream women (unless drunk) think it would make them appear "slutty" and still play the plausible deniability game where the best yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 02:48 PM
5	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. Nice try, but they act quite nicely around me. And through lots of dating experience I've figured out ways to test if it's just being nice or sexual interest. However most guys have not spend years thinking about or learning this stuff, and nobody teaches it in mainstream society. This thread is about the general man for whom niceness means "I might just be nice, or I might be interested"	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 10:09 AM
4	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. Wrong. The reason men think a woman being nice is a POTENTIAL sign of interest IS because THIS is how many women show interest. There's literally hordes of women we see complaining "I was so nice to him, smiling, listening intently, and he never made a move!!!! Arrrgh what's wrong with guys, why else would I be so nice to him and pretending to care about everything he says!". WOMEN created this game where nice means "I might be interested or I might just be acting nice, make a move and find out"…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 07:28 AM
1	I have a weakly held view that many red-pillers underestimate the success of the average man because they overuse dating apps, and there are tractable ways of improving their luck. To be fair it's easy. Don't approach mid and ugly women and you're unlikely to run into a woman like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 06:39 PM
8	why won't women engage with men? yeah it's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 08:01 PM
5	why won't women engage with men? What evidence do you have of this absurd claim. You can neither read minds nor have ever been a man. I assure you, most interested guys do not approach, and especially not the shy guys. Not even in those contexts. Most of the approaches you see are from a small percentage of interested men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 01:15 PM
9	why won't women engage with men? The point is that you don't know why the men who didn't approach didn't. How do you know that all men who are interested do approach? Do you read minds?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 08:07 AM
9	why won't women engage with men? So you have telepathic abilities and can read the minds of all guys who didn't approach a given girl... Interesting...	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 05:44 AM
17	why won't women engage with men? No he won't. This is similar to survivorship bias. You don't see what you don't see, i.e all the times men didnt approach . Most guys don't approach most of the time, no matter how interested. And shy guys, heck no. Doesn't matter whether in social settings or cold. Guys rarely ever approach, regardless of interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 04:44 AM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Yeah. Talking to feminists is creepy. Talking to non feminists isn't creepy. It's real simple. And I'm not being facetious, women who don't hate men are super happy when you approach them. It's really easy to recognize bitter menhaters and not approach them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:02 PM
3	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays One beautiful thing about the modern internet is that it's no longer anonymous. Nowadays guys can see who's putting out articles saying "don't approach" versus who's putting out "men please approach us" Let's just say there are some correlations. Just click on the author profile picture of any article ranting about how men shouldn't be approaching. You'll notice you go "Wth, I'd never even think about approaching her, why is she obsessed writing article about stop approaching, does anyone even a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 11:02 AM
1	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Most women aren't feminists. It's really easy to avoid being labeled a creep. Just don't approach feminists. Everyone I know who does cold approaches has noticed that you can generally tell which types of girls are going to be nice about it, and which are going to act like you're bothering them. I would spell it out, but that would be impolite here and get me brigaded. But let's just say there are certain correlations. I assure you I never approach feminists, so it always goes well	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 10:59 AM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays I'm pretty sure you saw the word "approach more". Not "start approaching at all". The other thing many have mentioned is that women tend to do it in the lowest risk situations where it's pretty much a done deal, he's just shy to make the move. I would also ads only when it's an outsized return. Women approach only guys who are many levels above them. Kind of like if I'm going to approach a guy, it has to be someone who's 10x better than I can get by waiting around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 07:52 AM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays I don't understand what you mean by low success rate. If your goal is just to exchange good vibes the success rate is quite high.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:23 PM
4	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays The solution is indeed that women approach more. That will solve so many problems. It's weird why feminists are pushing back on anyone suggesting it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:59 PM
6	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Basically if it worked it's fine. If it didn't it's wrong. Kind of like backwards rationalization	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:48 PM
4	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Good I agree. Nuanced views like this are hard to get in this sub.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:46 PM
5	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Obviously you can tell when someone is in a hurry or just relaxed shopping. That's also basic calibration. When I chat up people in the stores I ussually can't get rid of them and I end up having to cut it short. It's like they had waited all day for someone to chat them up. They plant their feet and go all in. No hurry to get anywhere. If I had listened to feminists on here I would have missed out on the most beautiful thing to happen to me. I've made so many beautiful contacts by just chatting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:25 PM
5	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Well that's exactly why it works. Any half calibrated dude would notice you're not in the chatting mood and not push it. I only now realized that many people in this sub used "approaching" as a synonym for hitting on someone. It seems I've been at cross-communication in many of these threads. When I say approaching I just mean chat. It can turn into more, but that's based on reading the situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:11 PM
5	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays That's only true if you mean hitting on someone. If you're charming and non threatening, almost like a neighbourly chit chat, it never goes wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:03 PM
0	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Yeah, they do the dumb and inflammatory thing on purpose. It's a learned pattern. At some point of development they learned it's the only way they can get males to pay attention to them. Otherwise they're invisible to the male gender. At some level you gotta feel sorry for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 08:13 PM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays I know. I'm a bit of a hypocrite. I still argue with feminists despite knowing that I shouldn't. It's like my dirty vice. Some people watch tv shows, others eat chocolate. I argue with feminists online. Logically there's no benefit to it. Anything you say will be twisted. And then when you try to untwist what she said to misrepresent you, she adds another uncharitable twist, and this can go forever. You have to remember that these are utterly unattractive women who get no attention from men in r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 08:06 PM
1	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Why are you arguing with her. Don't you notice that she's not arguing in good faith. She's twisting everything you say on purpose. One thing you have to realize when arguing with feminists is that they don't do this due to incompetence, but malice. It's not like they can't read what's written on the screen. They just pretend not to, out of pure malice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 07:59 PM
5	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays So the OP above should dump her SO... he approached her whilst shopping for books...	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 07:55 PM
14	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays A feminist in the other thread is arguing with me that all men who approach women out shopping are creeps and nothing good ever comes out of it. What would you say to her?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 07:23 PM
3	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Btw this is the main reason I'm so passionate dismantling bs advice from women. It wasted years of my life. There's a reason guys tell younger guys not to make the same mistakes and waste time listening to female advice. I'm talking to my younger self. Go get the skills first, then join hobbies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:56 PM
6	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating So what was the point of the sarcasm with rpg stats. I assure you, there was a huge difference between my 100th cold approach and my first one. Yes, I got better with more approaches. I was awkward in the first 20-30 or so. By approach 200 I was able to approach any woman, anywhere have a fun conversation and exchange Instagrams. Pretty smooth. Before this I had wasted years in hobbies not getting any better. I progressed more in 3 months of cold approach than years of hobbies. Obviously the smo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:53 PM
7	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating You know that you don't have to say you're a woman, because everyone knows by the way you wrote this. No man would write this. They're called sociosexual skills precisely because they're a skill. You're not born knowing how to flirt or move things along sexually, it comes from experience. Only a woman can believe men are born knowing how to do this or that it "just happens". It's a facet of female privilege.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:46 PM
5	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating I'm describing what it felt like at the time following that horrible advice. If you enter a hobby as a guy who doesn't get laid you just sit back and watch others who do. Hobbies are a horrible place to get your initial experience. It's a bad place to proactively hunt for dates unless you have the experience needed not to make it awkward. You will be pegged as the weird guy if you hit on girls at hobbies. So unless you can do it smoothly, you'll just have to wait until "it just happens" which is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:33 PM
5	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating I'm pretty secure and do really well today. Easily better than 99% of men on the planet. I did it by dropping the dumb hobbies and mass approaching cute girls like crazy. Got amazing experiences. Now I can easily enter any hobby and make a killing. But that's the thing. Hobbies first is reverse order. First start getting laid, THEN join hobbies for even more easy lays.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:31 AM
-1	Sexual double standard is irrational Speeding kills people. Sex doesn't. Horrible analogy. Fact is that if a guy had many women say yes to him he must have something going for him. Whereas if a woman hooked up a lot it doesn't say anything positive. It's either neutral or negative. It might be unfair to assume it's negative (as it is in most cases), but it's never a positive indicator, neutral at best.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:43 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational It's not about hard. It's that he needs to have things going for him. A woman can get laid by merely existing. she didn't need to have anything going for her except exist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:20 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational I think double standard discussions are fundamentally dishonest. They pretend that it's about prescriptive when it's really descriptive. When men get laid a lot, people go "he must have something going for him to pull that off". They're not saying "men should go around and be as promiscuous as possible". It's just that we assume there must be reasons he pulled it off. Women assume this more than men btw. Many men assume he must be a jerk. When women have a lot of partners, people assume she must…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:16 AM
11	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating The issue is that charming fboys also join the same hobbies and dominate. You might get a chance to practice basic social skills, but that's nothing. You can't go around the hobby practicing flirting or sociosexual skills as you'll become "that guy". You just have to watch as the fboys go through all of the girls in the hobby and everyone else just watches.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:30 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. How cute. More arrogant commandments. You can chat people up anywhere, exchange IGs and then build from there. My best friends are girls I chatted up with whilst we both waited for a bus. That introduced me to their hot fiends, some of whom I dated, others who introduced me to business clients. You're really angry that nobody is taking your horrible uncalibrated advice and taking it personally. There's a reason no dating coach on the planet says "if you're not getting laid join hobbies". If it w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:27 AM
2	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Hobbies work for people who already get laid. People who don't get laid don't magically start getting laid by joining a hobby	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 07:12 PM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Because they tried it and saw that it was a waste of time. Personally I wasted a bunch of years going to hobbies (that I was passionate about), only to watch the fboys dominate and bang everybody in the hobby. The guys who get laid from hobbies are guys who get laid OUTSIDE OF hobbies. The hobby is irrelevant. Hobbies are great if you're already the kind of guy who gets laid. You don't START getting laid because you join a hobby. This is the lie that guys have an issue with. Getting laid is a se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 07:08 PM
-1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise It doesn't matter if they call it basic standards. What matters is if it is realistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:52 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise That's fine. But I thought the topic was commitment? Of course plain women can bang hot dudes. Men do fuck down. I thought the topic was serious relationships? If she believes she can fuck hot guys, she's not delusional. Even male models bang warpigs. They don't make them a girlfriend however, and to think they would is delusional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:44 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise Lol, I actually work with models. Girls in porn are average and would never get a modelling gig. That's why they do porn. If they looked like models they could make money without taking meat on camera. Girls who are less attractive than a porn girl are below average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:40 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise There's a difference. Men merely fantasize about those models. They don't believe the models are "the bare minimum". A guy fantasizes about getting rich enough or famous enough to date such models. But he still dates and is attracted to the cute girl next door. Women however recalibrate their ideas of "normal" towards what's displayed in media. Like she actually expects that it's normal for men to approach and lead with movie like charm, charisma and smoothness. Normal guys are seen as weird. Gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:35 PM
-5	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise There's another way to interpret this. Remember that just one generation has a high divorce rate. Not the one before it, or after it. That coincides with when the delusion promoting waves started This generation got married before the waves started but later as the wave started mid-marriage, they developed unrealistic ideas that they deserve better Whereas a newer generation had rode the wave of delusion since before they started dating, so they don't even ever marry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:31 PM
-6	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise The thing is that due to social media and certain feminist campaigns, the percentages of delusional women are rising beyond just the mentally cray cray. Otherwise mentally sane women now have insane criteria	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:58 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise Yeah virtually 1000% of responses on this and anything in this area are some form of a straw man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:10 PM
1	In the modern dating age, the first step is the women "choosing the man", often times before he is even aware of it. In this way, women are the true initiators and selectors and men have far less power over the outcome. Yeah it's more like per month	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:23 AM
–	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Women's problem are like the problems of celebrity, men's are like the problems of the homeless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:20 AM
0	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? Kind of irrelevant when women who message are a more rare sighting than they loch ness monster.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:36 PM
1	Guys Usually Have Problems With Dating Because of Money, Not How They Look or Act I disagree. Beyond not looking like a bum (not wearing cheap clothes), simply acting like you're money is enough. You don't need the actual money. Except for gold diggers of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 05:21 PM
0	Saying the average man isn't struggling with dating is like saying the average woman doesn't get raped Guys stumbling into a relationship aren't in the "not struggling category". Many of those in a relationship also struggled before a chick decided to "adopt them" because she decided she needs a boyfriend, just for formal reasons. They're in not-very-passionate (and low frequency of sex) relationships where they worship the ground she walks on because they can't even imagine how theyd find another if she dumped them. Tl;dr guys struggling with women are definitely more than just that 38%. Many of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 08:17 AM
10	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. Why do so many of you use "social skill" as a euphemism for game? It's a completely different skillset. You can have all the social skills (you know, ones used for SOCIALIZING) and not know how to skillfully suggest casual sex. That comes from dating a lot. Again, not socializing a lot, but attempting to and getting laid a lot. Different skillsets.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 05:53 PM
23	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. I can't tell if she's dishonest on purpose or completely oblivious. But none of the guys that women sleep with on the first date do this "explicitly asking for a hookup" stuff. So I have no idea what she's talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 05:50 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Ok, so the scenario is: a non ugly, sober, young woman who's never been intimate with you ever before will go ahead and blurt out "I want your cock in me", and start ripping her clothes off. What percentage of women who want to have sex with a man will do this? Are you claiming it's 100%? Let's get really specific.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 07:18 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Ok reading your exact words now... You said that a woman should be "Telling you that she wants to get on your d so bad"... Seriously. An average not ugly, not old woman tells the average guy she's never been intimate with that "She wants to get on his D sooo bad"... You feminists don't get how many problems you create by being hyperbolic. Like did you have to exaggerate this much? As for why it doesn't happen. One of the main reasons is that young women are afraid of being seen as slutty or easy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 06:24 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Hey, don't you play that game. You didn't merely say just enthusiastic. You said "BEGGING for your d and and can't wait to RIP your clothes off" level of enthusiasm. The closer a woman is to your looks-match, the rarer this is, and also the younger the people in this situation. Younger people aren't that sexually expressive. Ugly and or older women are pretty aggressive. As are women who've been invited to a celebrity's house or a guy 6-7 levels above them in looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 05:44 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Dude I just outlined. Did you read my reply in full or not? Are you saying that it's normal for a SOBER, attractive (i.e. not ugly) woman to initiate FIRST SEX EVER with a new guy in this comical porn like fashion? Let me REMIND YOU: Were not talking about a second or third sexual encounter. But the first one ever. For two people who have never been sexual with each other before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 04:47 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Why wouldn't you want a woman begging for your d and ripping your clothes off? It's not about want, it's about whether it's realistic coming from a woman you've never been intimate with before. - NOTE, in most of these cases we're talking about the first sexual encounter between two people, i.e this is a person you've never been intimate with before * In the real world the only time attractive women do that porn-like "beg for your d" stuff is if they've already been intimate with you before. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 03:54 PM
21	Besides "clubs" or "bars" where are the most appropriate places to approach women? How would one go about it? Parks, bus stops and stores. If you learned to approach women in stores you'd have more dating prospects than you'd ever have time to date. There's an endless line of prospects, they love being approached in a store and it always goes well	/r/seduction	19/12/24 05:29 AM
18	"Bar for men is on the floor" - Is this a real statement or just a tongue in cheek phrase meant to aggravate men? Sure, in theory it is possible you haven't witnessed the hundreds of thousands of comments from feminists saying that, so you're genuinelly not gaslighting, just somehow managed to not see them. Others can decide if they believe you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 01:38 PM
23	"Bar for men is on the floor" - Is this a real statement or just a tongue in cheek phrase meant to aggravate men? At this point I think many are feeling gaslit by your comments... Reddit and all online forums (from medium to anywhere really) are filled with feminists saying that only a completely defunct defective man would ever have even the slightest of challenge in dating. In fact, they take it to the extreme. "If you're a man and not swimming in dates, just be a decent human being, and take a shower."	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:16 PM
4	Men should generally never take dating advice from women. I disagree. Even attractive men get dumped when they start acting needy and supplicating. Most women's advice is: be needy. It hurts attractive guys just as much	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 04:13 AM
1	Women Don’t Care If You’re a Player Because They Know Most Men Would They're not always cheaters, but they are always not monogamous (sticking to just one girl). Sometimes they pick the cheater route, sometimes they tell the girl they spin multiple plates. There are zero players who are only seeing one girl at a time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 11:58 AM
5	Women Don’t Care If You’re a Player Because They Know Most Men Would I've definitely noticed that it's always average girls who proudly claim they don't care about wealth and aren't really into pursuing wealthy guys. I've never seen a girl who can actually get wealthy guys say that, only girls who have no chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 11:56 AM
2	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before Really, please inform the feminists who keep passing laws and rules that say IT IS HARASSMENT. http://matingselfishness.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/asking-for-a-date-now-illegal-flirting-as-well/ Don't play that bullshit "how is it codified in the feminist movement" - WE ARE NOT BUYING IT. An idiotic or harmful law that gets passed by feminists doesn't have to be "CODIFIED BY 1000000% of all feminists EVERYWHERE" in order for us to criticize it as being borne out of feminism. It only needs to be su…	/r/MensRights	25/04/14 03:51 AM
3	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before "You didn't read the post I responded to..." Yes he did, that's why he knows you're lying. I never said "every single female ever born on planet earth at all times in history". I said "females do x" - which is generalization applying to the vast majority of females. The fact that an obese smelly feminist keeps grabbing my crotch in Dance class doesn't invalidate the fact that the GENERAL FEMALE ROLE is to be coy, passive and lazy. Exceptions prove rules, not disprove them. FACT And MY reply was …	/r/MensRights	25/04/14 03:45 AM
3	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before Its typical of a feminist to manipulate language and pretend to misread. She knows full well that the vast majority of cute, hot, feminine women expect the man to do all the work and are coy. (even a large percentage of masculine, obese feminists still expect the man to take all the risks) Even the majority of feminist activists openly admit they prefer the traditional role in mating. Non-lazy, pro-active women are a rarity even among the most hardcore of feminists. ===Khan's tatic=== She first …	/r/MensRights	25/04/14 03:40 AM
3	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before Its typical of any feminist ad-hominize any discussion on general trends in society. If a feminists points that women have the disprivilege of dealing with "unwanted attention" [A FUCKING GENERALIZATION] When a man points out that this GENERAL issue comes out of the GENERAL SYSTEM that WOMEN HAVE GENERALLY set up [a fucking generalization too] - the immediate retort is to personalize the discussion. Kuba-khan... BRAD PITT GETS MIXED SIGNALS* GEORGE CLOONEY GETS WOMEN PLAYING HARD TO GET *Jennife…	/r/MensRights	25/04/14 03:25 AM
2	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before ---> "knowing full well the answer will be no" Here's a question I've asked of feminists on this topic for 5 years and never got an answer to. CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC! I have no issue with feminists trying to dictate dating rules. The issue I have is that its all vague "It's harassment when you do it wrong, but you're not allowed to know what wrong is, you should JUST KNOW TELEPATHICALLY" AT WHICH point is it ok to make a move, and which point is it harassment? Where do you define it? Is asking a gi…	/r/MensRights	24/04/14 04:50 AM
7	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before Any discussion on "dating etiquette and gender" is AUTOMATICALLY DIS-GENUINE if it doesn't mention these three facts of female mating arrogance: 1) Females of our species are lazy and passive, waiting for the man to take all the initiative and risk 2) Females of our species SPECIFICALLY and PURPOSEFULLY send mixed and plausibly deniable signals where it can't be proven if she was interested, or was simply acting "friendly". In fact being the arrogant risk-and-rejection diverters that our human f…	/r/MensRights	24/04/14 04:38 AM
6	The Tiger Analogy (Plausible Deniability is Sadistic and Cruel) You completely misread the analogy. It's not about "rejection", it's about plausible deniability. It's about the games women play to proactively lie about and hide their interest. It's about how even after you've shown your interest in a woman, and she is also interested, she pretends not to be, keeps you guessing and tries to put all the responsibility on you for making things happen.	/r/MensRights	11/05/13 10:47 AM
4	Non-fatal suicidal behaviour, with links I have a response to this argument MRA: Men commit 400% more suicides than women Feminist: But women make more attempts statistically! MRA: Are you implying that women are less capable than men statistically and aren’t able to kill themselves? Are you saying women are less capable than men!? So… The double bind I’ve put the feminist with my retort is this… A) If she says “well yeah, women are just as capable as men to commit suicide if they really wanted to” -> THEN she has to admit the real rea…	/r/MensRights	13/03/12 06:21 AM
1	It's time to wake the A up in MRA-Let's sue the SPLC for libel Sure, but they posted a lot of blatantly and objective false information too. While you're right that "hate group" is subjective, SPLC overshot its load and also said some actual lies. Also - it's not about winning, it's about making a stand, plus publicity for the MRA. This can be used to go on all the conservative and libertarian talk shows.	/r/MensRights	09/03/12 11:20 PM
5	It's time to wake the A up in MRA-Let's sue the SPLC for libel AVfM can make that case.	/r/MensRights	09/03/12 11:18 PM
12	Wolf-whistling 'could be made illegal' under new European convention From the daily version of the article... Also among the clauses is one that will outlaw 'unwanted verbal, non-verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature with the purpose or effect of violating the dignity of a person, in particular when creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment'. Not vague at all... Now approaching, flirting with and asking women out will be a potential crime in all areas and contexts. Can someone please explain to me how this doesn't …	/r/MensRights	09/03/12 09:52 AM
2	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. Feminists are amazing at trying to univerzalize their preference. Whatever approach they prefer from a man is the ONLY right approach. It's funny, they often talk of diversity, but nobody denies female diversity of thought more than feminists. What I find funny is when they say "I'm a woman, and you should listen to me!!!" - Do they assume none of us have female friends, cousins etc? I mean, a man would have to not have left his house for decades to believe feminist homogenization. Any experienc…	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:23 AM
0	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. You sir deserve a prize. I'm so quoting you on this.	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:18 AM
1	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. Yep. I dare any columnist writing a "this jerk dared say hello to me" type-of-column, say the same thing if she had Barrack Obama, Brad Pitt or George Clooney say hi to her in the EXACT same locations, exact same body-language, exact same timing, exact same voice tonality.	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:18 AM
4	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. That's very true. I have and many others have noticed that it is never the social, charming and/or beatiful women who act rude upon a hello or an approach. Ever notice it's the ugly girls or socially screwed-up ones that react the worst? The truth is, a successful interaction takes two. Insecure people even in general try to project fault onto to the other as it is - but if an insecure person happens to be female, she has a few more excuses provided by society. She is given a list of ways and ex…	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:15 AM
2	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. I'm pretty sure the NOW will eventually try to petition for the right to be comfortable to be added to some bill of human rights.	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:09 AM
-1	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Someone the other day told me that feminism is based on wild paranoid conspiracy theories... Interesting... I walked into an elevator, and another person did too. OMG I AM BEING FOLLOWED!!! ALIENS ARE TRYING TO ABDUCT ME OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know about you, but 80% of the time I go into an elevator anywhere in any country/building someone happens to enter the elevator at the same time. Omg I have so many followers. Should I buy a vest? Are they trying to assasinate me? OMG OMG OMG	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:00 AM
0	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... You can pull this bullshit on someone who hasn't researched this stuff. After having seen the bullshit "basic social cues" trope tactic pulled by feminists I decided to research it. So far I've researched a dozen studies, and they all show that reading women's cues is always guess work. Guess what, there's studies that show even WOMEN can't read what cues OTHER women are giving. WOMEN ARE NO BETTER at telling what another woman is signalling than are men. Are the women in on the patriarchal cons…	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 11:52 PM
1	Why the Gender Gap Won't Go Away How does the US labour department sound as as reputable source?	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 03:52 PM
-2	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Some people take humiliation in stride. You're changing the topic. You're doing a bait and switch. The topic was not how someone responds to feeling certain feeling. The topic was what feeling is induced by the inducer. The point was: ---> Publicly mocking, ridiculing, AND LABELING SOMEONE A RAPIST, CHILD MOLESTER and ganging up on someone with CREEP/rapist charges (etc) has a 100% chance of making that person feel uncomfortable and humiliated. . . . ---> Chatting up SOMEONE in an elevator has a…	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 03:02 AM
0	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... I'm not sure you understand what a non sequitur is. "It can be" seems like it follows a question "Are you implying that a thing is bad?" pretty directly. There's two types of non-sequitor. Not just the logical fallacy one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(literary_device) But you're right. I edited out non-sequitor to have it be clearer. The article lost me when you showed a picture of 6 people around a small >table and said that only 2 of them would be able to hear anything she said. …	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 02:43 AM
-4	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... BULLSHIT comparison. One requires TELEPATHY, and the other one doesn't. Some women prefer being approached in private. Some prefer being approached in the middle of a big group. Some women are afraid when approached in a DIRECT manner. Some women are afraid when approached in an INDIRECT manner. Some women prefer to be approached in public wide spaces, other women HATE and freeze up when approached in those SAME spaces. For a man to know WHAT type of approach would make a woman experience a cert…	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 02:36 AM
3	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... It can be. It depends a lot on the context. It's possible to say "Hey, I > don't want to be hit on right now" without being an anti-sex zealot. That is true, but it's also unrelated. She didn't say "guys attending this conference, do NOT offer me sex" so that they guy would have known to not to do it. TELEPATHY DOESN'T EXIST - and people reviewed all her lectures. She never said it. My article looks into the lie that she's ever said "nobody ever hit on me" and that he was supposed to know that.	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 02:16 AM
0	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... I'm just saying the fear of potential assault is a little different when someone is asking you to >their hotel room, rather than to a coffee shop. So? Fear is a very individual and subjective thing It would be impossible to rape someone in a coffee shop, but not impossible to rape someone > in a hotel room. You're basically saying that if he FIRST asked her out to coffee in a cofee-house, and only tried fucking her after they had had 2 public dates, that's less rape-risky, coz she'd have had 2 p…	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 12:45 AM
2	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Often when I rant about guys who's dishonesty pissed me off enough to rant, I start out the rant with the phrase "so get this, some dude did xyz". Does that mean I am a man-hater too now? OMG I didn't know that. Turns out I hate 7 billion people now. Wow that's fascinating. And you ascertained this claim because of my the use of the phrases "get this, some dude" and "get this, some chick". WOW!!! You're good! Armchair telepathic psycho-analysis is truly something you've grandmastered.	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 12:24 AM
-7	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Bla bla bla bla. It's my ranty blog for my ranty rants. I wrote it for me and my close friends. Never PUBLISHED it to other sites or linked to it anywhere. Other people randomly discovered my blog-rant and linked to it. I do happen to also write as a contributing author to other non-blog sites. When I publish to those sites I submit higher-quality more mainstream-languaged writing. If you want to however edit MY personal rant-blog and tell me how to write my personal rants, kindly go fuck yourse…	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 10:29 PM
4	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... So? Even if A) He WAS asking for sex B) Are you implying that honest, genuine, sincere ASKING a woman if she wants to do something is bad? WTF? Since when is asking if someone would want to do something a bad thing?!? This is news to me! Would you prefer he lied, gamed or manipulated her into sex? Since WHEN is: A) Having sex a bad thing? Are you some sort of an anti-sex hating zealot? B) Since when is sincerity a bad thing? HUH?	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 10:26 PM
1	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... I didn't dismiss her based on her looks. I implied her looks were the motivations for her trying to get attention. And she tried to get that attention by humiliating some shy guy. And she didn't care that she was hurting a probably-merely-socially-akward-guy. For all we know, she might have even driven him to suicide.	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 09:57 PM
-2	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Yes, as we know, this is a very solid evidence that someone hates 3.5 billion people. If you are able to distinguish studs from ugly guys, does that make you a man-hater? Or do you believe all men are equally handsome?	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 09:56 PM
-1	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Please elaborate how this article is evidence that I hate 3.5 billion people? I use the same harsh-language whenever I write about intellectually dishonest people. If you don't believe me, look at my comments on game-frauds, and PUA frauds. I use equally harsh language when ranting against those frauds. If you want me to use nice-language when talking about this fraud - then you would be asking me to give her PREFERENTIAL treatment and treat her better than I treat male frauds.	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 09:55 PM
11	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Bullshit. I've picked up 2 female strangers in an elevator out of 3 attempts, and the one I didn't pick up is good friends with me now. The problem dorama is that Watson universalized her own neurosis as being a supposed WomanKind-preference. -> She, Watson, is a rape-paranoid-freak. So she has a preference that she be asked out with 50 people watching. -> Some other women Prefer that you propose in private, because they feel more comfortable if they don't feel like they're judged by onlookers. …	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 09:49 PM
7	Tweaking the Nose of Radical Feminism I believe the photo is supposed to represent "radical feminism", not the author of the article. Way to project there.	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 05:22 PM
1	Oh, oh, oh, Jamie's lyin' Canada is large and has many ISPs. It means the propagation hasn't reached his ISP yet. He can browse it using an american proxy though.	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 03:12 PM