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2	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Not in general, just that one aspect of porn, the silly unrealistic idea that women are over-the-top unambiguous about wanting to bang you. That only exists in porn, and feminists claims (which only come out whenever men point out female privilege in early dating). Feminists are so obsessed with never admitting a single a female privilege, to where they start spouting obvious non-sense that anyone with eyes can tell doesn't apply to the real world. Whenever a man points out how easy women have i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 05:47 PM
-1	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. You 2 seconds previously: - feminists have been "very vocal" telling men how to behave in dating. Now: - feminists never discussed dating, they're too busy with political issues. Pick one. And fine, say Jezebel, Feministe, every feminist writer on Medium and every feminist dating thread for thirty years were all fake feminists. Doesn't change anything. Men read that messaging tens of thousands of times from writers calling themselves feminists. It shaped behavior either way. Kicking them out of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 03:49 PM
0	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Nobody said "men don't need to do work at all ever." What happened is this: - Men said they do all the work: approach, initiate, escalate, risk the punishment for misreading - Feminists spent years denying that asymmetry even exists. Women approach too. Women initiate just as much. And when a woman's interested, you'll know, it's obvious and in your face. Add those claims up and look at the woman they're describing: she approaches you, makes the moves, initiates sex, and signals interest so clea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 03:13 PM
0	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. It wasn't porn that lied to men, it was feminists. Porn is LABELED FICTION. The actual LYING is what happened for thirty years in every gender debate on the internet. The truth is that to get dates as a man you have to do a TON OF WORK. Approach, initiate, escalate, eat every rejection. Men said this in every discussion, for decades. And every time, out came the script (lies): If you're a HALF DECENT nice person, women will pursue you, ask you out and make the moves. Plenty of women will get in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:58 PM
9	Society didn't lie to men about women and dating. Porn did. Yeah the gaslighters on here switch between the two. It's either nobody lies to boys, or "well using your own eyes you should have realized it's a lie and not fallen for it"	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 02:33 PM
33	Men should be taught that they are most likely going to be aloone if they don't improve Because it's a dating-specific skill, not a general value improvement. I get laid 20x more than I did when I was naive about the ways of the world. I am not a "better, improved person". I learned sets of dating and flirting skills. Ones that are isolated to nothing but what is required to date women. These skills do not make me a better human, citizen or anything else. Actual millionaire surgeons can go without dates, and while charming broke fboys can have a different girl over every day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/26 12:59 PM
7	When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantage I can confirm this as someone who does a lot of cold approaching. If I had a bad night's sleep or tired in any way and start conversations, they treat me like a literal serial killer. If I'm fully energized I can get responses like omg thank you so much for approaching me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 08:04 AM
8	When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantage This. A lot of issues with women and what they claim arise from women trying to claim two directly contradictory things at once. Either you admit that you can't telepathically read men's deepest personality (in which case it's not your fault if it later turns out he's a crappy guy)... Or if you claim you know everything about a guy from the way he said hello (as an excuse to humiliate unattractive guys), you can't then claim you only discovered someone's a crap person after 7 months so it's not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 08:02 AM
3	Casual sex is the only way to know you are desirable as a man. One caveat. You could be 10x more desirable than another guy who gets more hookups than you and not realize that he's putting in more volume than you. The thing is that work is often invisible. He might be getting rejected 50x more than you to have twice as much casual sex as you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/26 04:13 PM
2	The 'Mankeeping' narrative shows that women are openly hostile to discussing men's emotional labor load The part you're missing is that he had to do that a bunch of times before it worked out with you. That's the labor part. The labor part is doing something 1000 times and it going nowhere and still forcing yourself to keep going. Because even when 1 out of 100 women answers "yeah let's do that", it's still just false hope because most of the time it goes nowhere. So not only does he has to force himself through a ton of no-s to get one yes, he has to push through and keep going even when a ton of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/26 11:21 PM
0	Men Shouldn't Complain About Being Locked out of Casual Sex if They Think it's bad for Women The only reason most guys think casual sex is bad is because they're excluded from it. And the only reason they're excluded is women's laziness. Heres why: I disagree with the blackpillers who think women only want to have casual sex with chads and nobody else. Average guys can have sexual sex too, it's just that they're required to do all the work even when she is interested in him. At best she shows openness to him doing all the work until something happens. If women decreased their passivity …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/26 12:02 PM
2	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? Why would they go for a 35 year old woman? Any guy with options dates younger	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/26 01:20 AM
2	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? Chad isn't coming at 35 year old tho	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/26 11:27 PM
2	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? Coincidences are a funny thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/26 06:03 PM
11	Do women really sleep with the “hot guys” first and marry the average ones later? For men it's inverted. Men end up settling for someone better than the women they could hook up with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/26 05:41 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. This isn't a matter of opinion. Moves have a clear definition. You can't redefine things as it suits you... Perplexity: No, hinting typically does not count as making a move. Hints are subtle signals like light touches or compliments, while a move requires clearer, more direct action. Key Distinctions: Hints serve as indirect cues to test interest, such as playful eye contact, extra smiles, or casual compliments, often leaving room for deniability. A genuine move escalates beyond hints, involvin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 07:21 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. Not a move	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 07:13 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. This is exactly the type of mental gymnastics the OP is talking about. Women will invent all sorts of absurd excuses and rationalizations for being lazy. "Hints are moves" is a very popular pretzel women twist themselves into to justify being lazy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 07:06 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. A move is by definition overt. If it's not overt then it is a hint, not a move.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 06:57 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. He isn't treating women like a monolith. He's specifically giving dozens upon dozens of varied examples of excuses. Not all women use the same excuse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 06:55 PM
–	I find it funny the amount of excuses the women use to gaslight and justify their lack of effort on making moves on the guy they like. Yeah, the amount of logical pretzels and mental gymnastics women twist themselves into in order to justify not making moves are legendary. It automatically makes me lose respect for anything else they say or claim in terms of dating and related topics. It almost makes everything else void. It's absolutely ridiculous stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/26 06:52 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. You keep pointing to fetish weirdos and guys asking about farting. Nobody is defending those guys. They're weird. They should stop. Agreed. Moving on. And stop lying. I called the one-word-answer guy awkward—not the fetish weirdos. You're blending them together to pretend I'm excusing guys who ask about anal and farting. I'm not. You know I'm not. Now: what about normal men and normal women? Your first TikTok—the one-word answer guy—that's the one that matters. Because that's actually common beh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:34 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Nobody said men don't have social skill issues. I've agreed with that multiple times. You posting TikToks of awkward men doesn't answer the question. It's deflection. "Look at these bad examples!" isn't an argument against "both sides should improve." I could post compilations of women giving one-word answers, checking their phones mid-date, expecting men to carry entire conversations, and giving zero signals then complaining "why don't guys approach me?" When men point this out, they're told th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:23 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. That was the plural "you"—not you personally. You, the side that claims men need to do all the improving. In the mainstream you have pundits saying men need to work on their confidence, charm, start asking girls out more—never mentioning that women equally need to work on being approachable, signaling interest more clearly, contributing to conversations, doing any work. I'm putting you in that group. Because your post does the same thing. Your comment history does the same thing. You keep tellin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:08 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Let me make this simple. Dating is a two-person dance. Like tango. Both people need skills for it to work. Right now? Both sides are at 2/10. The dance looks terrible. Your solution: Only tell one side to improve. Never mention the other. No tango instructor in history has ever done this. You know why? Because it doesn't work. If only one person improves, they have to do ten times the work to compensate—dragging dead weight around the floor. The obvious solution—what any competent instructor wou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:58 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. "I'm not playing your fingerpointing game." Asking whether both genders should improve is fingerpointing? That's called equal accountability. You wrote a post pointing fingers exclusively at men. I asked if the same standard applies to women. You won't answer because: YES means your post should've included women too NO means you're openly advocating a double standard So you call basic fairness a "game" and hope nobody notices. "Created by men"? The term came from researchers. But look at who use…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 02:44 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. "He says the same shit"? Tate talks about gender. Red pill talks about gender. That's it. That's the overlap. By that logic every economist is a Marxist because Marx talked about economics. Tate doesn't call himself red pill. You and other critics slapped that label on him because it's a useful boogeyman. Talking about the same topic doesn't make someone the same movement. You want the actual red pill? Rollo Tomassi coined the term. He used it to describe the pickup/seduction community. Owen Coo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 02:31 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. You just repeated yourself word-for-word. Twice. "Loneliness epidemic" is branding. Women whine and complain about dating by writing posts like yours—endless paragraphs about what men need to fix. That is complaining and whining about dating. You do it every day. You're doing it right now. You just don't see it because it's aimed outward. And the shower thing—you've mentioned it six times now. Nobody disagreed. You keep retreating to it because you can't answer the actual question. Sixth time: S…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 02:13 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. I didn't say personality. I said behavior. They believe that attraction is entirely about what you say and do. Personality is who you are. Behavior is what you do. They even believe it doesn't even matter if you are that person, you can just behave that way and trigger attraction. Also "popular"? By what definition? The ones you have heard of and are described as red pill by others? But you only hear of the misogynists who say outrageous things for views. They don't even call themselves red pill…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 02:10 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. It's interesting how people misuse the terms. An obsession with looks is black pill. In fact for most of the existence of the red pill it didn't even ACKNOWLEDGE looks... Some history for these ignoramuses 1) Like the red pill was this movement that claimed it's all based on behavior and looks are a 0% factor 2) Then the vlackpillers came in, and these are guys who say looks is everything and HATE the redpillers 3) Than after a decade of vlackpillers, redpillers started admitting "ok looks make …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 11:00 AM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Women don't complain about dating? Your post is a complaint about dating. You just wrote paragraphs about how men need to be better. That's the female version of complaining—it's always directed outward. "Men need more confidence." "Men need better social skills." "Men need to try harder." That's how women avoid examining their own deficits. Instead of asking "how can I be more approachable?" it's "why aren't men approaching better?" Instead of "how do I signal interest?" it's "why aren't men mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 08:29 AM
4	Most people's dating advice to men is useless, ESPECIALLY advice given by women It's not that women lie, it's similar to lying by omission. It's when you tell the truth, but since you're omitting certain things it's equivalent to a lie. For example when they say the stuff about a kind man. The part thats left out is that it assumes a man above her. It's only perceived favorably when a guy who's cooler, more popular, more confident or higher status than her does kind things... When a man who she sees as an equal does a kind thing it's seen as needy or desperate. This is the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 07:19 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. "Doing it right"? That's the whole question. You're assuming women are fine at dating as your premise, then using it as your conclusion. That's circular. Previous generations of women: glances, teasing, banter, innuendo, creating openings. Current generation: wait, swipe, repeat. If that's "doing it right," your standards are underground. And nobody said "don't hold men accountable." The argument is: hold both accountable. You keep pretending that's an attack on accountability when it's actually…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 06:45 PM
2	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. You didn't answer the question. I asked: Do young women also need to work on their social skills, including flirting skills, or is self-improvement a male-only obligation? You pivoted to "women have more friends." Social skills have difficulty levels. Keeping friends you already have? Easy mode. Gossiping with coworkers? Baseline. That's 2/10 stuff—anyone can do it. Charming strangers. Creating romantic tension. Making yourself approachable. Flirting in real-time. Introducing yourself to new peo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 01:56 PM
0	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Funny framing choice. Sociologists, psychologists, every think piece about Gen Z—they all acknowledge social skills have declined generationally. Technology. Less in-person interaction. Affects everyone. You skipped that. Went straight to "men lack personal responsibility." Made a generational problem into a male moral failing. But here's the thing—even the mainstream sources that do acknowledge the generational decline still only prescribe self-improvement to men. "Young people's social skills …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 12:45 PM
2	Dating women is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than dating men Ironically it's super easy for guys to get the same power. All you need is abundance. And contrary to popular opinion you don't need to be rich or famous to get it. All you have to do is learn how to start conversations everywhere. I mean everywhere, office elevator, bus stop, supermarket check out, networking events, park while walking your dog. When you become this person your number of options grows so much that you get this sense of abundance, and ironically you act indifferent (opposite of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/26 05:54 PM
7	The overwhelming majority of women don't initiate or make the first moves because they are cowards. The part you don't get is that it doesn't have to be true most of the time. The point is that guys have been told that creep shaming is objective and taints you as a bad guy forever. It doesn't have to be every woman that creep shames. Even if it's 1 in 10, he doesn't know which of the 10 it is. Rejection is different. Even if 9 out of 10 reject you, it doesn't mean anything at a core identity level. It means those 9 you just weren't their type, nothing personal. Now as it happens that's true of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/26 11:05 AM
2	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Lol, thats not how it works. Lol. Trust me guys have no problem getting it up for the cute innocent chick. Furthermore, only 20% of men cheat (similar to the number for women). The reason men end up going for easy girls when they're looking for something casual is because they're easy, not because they are preferred. If those married cheater guys could cheat on their wife with a virgin, they would. It's just that the promiscuous girls are literally (no exaggeration) 10,000x easier. They literall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 08:21 PM
7	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Please elaborate. I mean I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't know what you mean and how it relates to the Madonna whore complex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 03:37 PM
13	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Nice try, but no. Men see the same women saying one thing and doing another, and they keep seeing it over and over and over and over again. Men just wish women didn't lie so goddamn much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 03:24 PM
9	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Why does that belief require "that women can't have their own thoughts, morals, and standards. That women are just prizes for men. That women cant have sex on her own terms"? Ditto. She never provides an argument or even pretends to. She just makes this outlandish claim, and it's completely unrelated to the first part, like a complete non-sequitor.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 03:01 PM
24	The "Nice Guy Finish Last" mindset is inherently misogynistic and shows a lack of personal accountability. Here we go again, for the 383838th time. Men only have an issue with gaslighting. They're not saying they're owed sex. They do say they're owed not to be gaslit. That's it. Women lie: x makes you unattractive, y is attractive Men go into the real world and see women constantly with x guys and not even registering y guys. They get resentful about the lying. Is not gaslighting too much to ask for?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/26 02:49 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? Nope, the defensiveness comes from the desire to downplay anything that happens to men. It's that simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/26 01:37 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? I'm not fighting women who are against shaming. I'm calling out the deflection pattern that happened IN THIS THREAD. You say you're against shaming men. Great. But look at what actually happened here: I said women shame men Multiple women responded with "women are allowed preferences" (strawman) I clarified Got "exclusion isn't shaming" (another strawman) Clarified again Got accused of blaming women here for other women's actions Got my examples lawyered into "just expressing discomfort" Got tol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/26 01:24 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? "Similar" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. You have to define what you mean by similar before it can be flattened into a yes/no binary. Here let me help you out "Similar meaning that both genders do it?" Yes. YES, yes "Similar in terms of type, I.e. both use moralized language." Yes "Similar in frequency, intensity, and social acceptance?" NO, NOT EVEN CLOSE. Not remotely. When men shame women for body count, they get called out. There are terms for it. Articles written about it. Social co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/26 01:06 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? Because we started the thread acknowleding this. I literally said "women do the same, except they do it for a gazilliob different preferences, not just a body count preference". You're diverting again, this time to something that was acknowledged in reply number one. Some men shame women for not meeting their body count preference. Some women shame men using EQUALLY loaded language for not meeting any of a 3829282 different preferences, where the preferences in question differ greatly from woman…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/26 12:10 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? I don't even understand why you're asking that? My whole point (and what men on this sub have been trying to say for ages) is that women ALSO shame. But any time that men bring this up, women defend female shaming by downplaying it, strawmanning and diverting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/26 11:12 AM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? Yes. I start there, yes. But good faith isn't a permanent pass. When someone strawmans my position - repeatedly, after correction - they've shown their hand. It's no longer a misunderstanding. It's a tactic. I didn't walk into this thread assuming bad faith. But when I say "women shame men" and the response is "women are allowed to have preferences" - that's not engaging with what I said. That's dodging it. When I clarify, and the next response is "exclusion isn't shaming" - still not what I sai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/26 10:10 PM
–	Changing your behavior does not earn you a relationship, only validation The "just" is the issue. Not being someone else is only one of many things needed. As a man you can be yourself all you want, but no woman will walk up to you, ask for your number, ask you out and then lead things towards a first kiss.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 11:09 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? Nobody said ALL negative reactions are identity-based. Strawman. Besides no definition of shaming requires identity, you just appended it in desperation, but let's play along. What I did say is that women often reject identity by pretending it was about behavior. And my examples already proved it. I didn't say "it's creepy when men approach." I said "it's creepy when SHORT MEN approach." The identity is IN THE SENTENCE. That's not a behavioral critique. That's shaming short men for daring to try…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 07:02 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? The distinction you just drew sinks your own argument. "Sexual history targets identity. Approach behavior critiques an action." Really? When a woman says short men "shouldn't even try" or guys "not in her league" are "wasting her time" - is that critiquing an action? No. It's saying certain men shouldn't exist in the dating pool based on WHO THEY ARE. The same approach from a tall attractive guy gets called confident. From a short guy it's "creepy" and "not knowing his place." That's not critiq…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 06:33 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? "Shaming = language that assigns moral fault or social illegitimacy to a person" "Wasting my time" is one of THOUSANDS of ways women frame a man's approach as socially illegitimate. Inappropriate. Creepy. Problematic. Can't even get coffee in peace. Don't know how to read signals. Shouldn't even try. All of it says: your attempt wasn't just unwelcome - it was WRONG. You shouldn't have tried. Your VERY PRESENCE in the dating pool is an IMPOSITION. That assigns social illegitimacy. That fits your …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 06:06 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? You said this is shaming: "Shouldn't exist in the dating pool" What do you think "wasting my time" means? It means: you shouldn't be here. Your presence in the dating pool is an imposition. You're doing something wrong by trying. That's not "incompatible for me." That's "you shouldn't exist in this space." By your own definition, that's shaming. And you're right - my argument IS that people are more charitable to women's discomfort than men's. That's not a "different claim." That's the whole poi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 05:42 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? You said this is shaming: "Shouldn't exist in the dating pool" What do you think "wasting my time" means? It means: you shouldn't be here. Your presence in the dating pool is an imposition. You're doing something wrong by trying. That's not "incompatible for me." That's "you shouldn't exist in this space." By your own definition, that's shaming. And you're right - my argument IS that people are more charitable to women's discomfort than men's. That's not a "different claim." That's the whole poi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 05:42 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? Yeah. They only say they're against shaming men in the abstract. But in actual practice they find a way to downplay or divert every ACTUAL case of shaming men. But we shouldn't notice this because they're against it in THEORY, just shut up and ignore their ACTIONS in practice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 05:40 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? Post your "not shaming" version to any women's sub: "I find it inappropriate when women with high body counts try to date me. Can't a guy just meet someone without promiscuous women wasting his time?" You think that survives? No "gross." Just your approved neutral language. "Inappropriate" - moralizing her choices "Promiscuous" - moral judgment "Wasting his time" - her existing in the dating pool is an imposition That gets torched as slut-shaming within minutes. You know it. Now flip it: "I find…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 05:16 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? Being "against shaming" in principle is meaningless when every time a man brings up shaming: His words get twisted He's accused of things he didn't say He has to spend 50 replies extracting the agreement that was supposedly there all along Actions > stated positions. They SAY they're against shaming men. They ACT to derail every conversation about it. That's the whole sub summarized and the women in this discussion didn't do any better. I don't care about the abstract.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 04:50 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? You said I was "blaming women here for what other women do." If it's not a STRAWMAN, then it's either a hallucination or blatant lie. Call it whatever you want. The tactic is the same: you want me to defend against something I never said. What women here do: misrepresent what the men say and divert anytime shaming males is mentioned. The women here in this discussion did it. I don't care if they're against shaming in the abstract when they demonstrated the very pattern I outlined; downplay shami…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 04:44 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? Let's test your framework. A man posts: "I find it inappropriate when women with high body counts try to date me. It's gross when they don't disclose it upfront. Can't a guy just meet someone without promiscuous women wasting his time?" By your logic, that's not shaming. He's just expressing discomfort. Describing impact, not assigning moral guilt. Articulating a boundary publicly with social commentary. We both know that wouldn't fly. Everyone would call it slut-shaming - because it uses morali…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 04:32 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? Look at what you just did. In the slut-shaming example, you included the shaming language: "town bike." In the short example, you conveniently left it out. Just a polite rejection. Of course those aren't equivalent. You made them unequal on purpose. The actual equivalent would be: Slut shaming: "He said he wasn't interested in women with my history" → Not shaming, just preference Short shaming: "She said she wasn't interested in shorter men" → Not shaming, just preference OR Slut shaming: "He ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 03:56 PM
1	Why is slut shaming wrong? STRAWMAN. I never said it's your fault if other women shame. What I'm attacking here is strawmanning used for diversion. The poster above pretended that I said "being rejected at Starbucks is shaming". I keep clarifying for the 3838383838th time that men have an issue with shaming. Pretending that men bringing up shaming have an issue with preference/rejection is a diversionary tactic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 03:36 PM
3	Why is slut shaming wrong? It's awfully convenient how women agree shaming men can be wrong too only when an experienced guy like me shows up to call out the diversions. Interesting coincidence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 03:29 PM
4	Why is slut shaming wrong? You're downplaying. No woman who complains of slut shaming is required to elaborate that she was really slut shamed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 03:19 PM
4	Why is slut shaming wrong? Icy didn't say shaming requires a slur. She said moralized language implying wrongdoing doesn't COUNT as shaming. That's literally what slut-shaming is. You don't need the word "slut." Saying she "has no self-respect" or "doesn't value herself" is moralized language - and everyone calls it shaming. You don't need the word "creep" either. "Inappropriate" and "boundary violation" do the same work. You're only conceding now because you got caught. When a less experienced guy makes this point, he ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 03:12 PM
4	Why is slut shaming wrong? Naming the pattern isn't making you a bad guy. You ran the script. I pointed it out. You got defensive. That's the whole story. We do agree that shaming is wrong. We disagree on whether the deflection you performed matters. I think it does - because it's how these conversations get derailed every single time. Take care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:57 PM
6	Why is slut shaming wrong? Two new strawmen in one reply. Impressive. "You want me to police every woman" - Never said that. Not even close. "You just don't like how I said it" - Classic dismissal. Reframe a legitimate observation as me being petty about tone. Here's what actually happened: You performed the exact pattern I described. I pointed it out. Now you're defensive about it. You're not interchangeable with other women because you're a woman. You're interchangeable because you ran the same script. Word for word. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:48 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? We are in agreement on the principle. But notice what happened to get here: I said women shame men for unmet preferences You responded with "women are allowed to have preferences and communicate them politely" I pointed out nobody disputed that Only THEN did you say "I agree that's wrong" The agreement was always available in step 1. But the reflex was to defend women's right to preferences first - even though that was never under attack. That reflex IS the pattern. Even women who agree that sha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:36 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? Agree, it's mostly online. But the same is true with all this body count shaming stuff. Its podcasters online, not your male friends saying it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:29 PM
8	Why is slut shaming wrong? Because the topic is shaming. The topic isn't the imaginary "people who say youre not allowed to have preferences", a group that is more imaginary than Santa clause, the tooth fairy and Winnie the Pooh combined.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:23 PM
10	Why is slut shaming wrong? But women are allowed to have preferences and to communicate them politely. You're repeating the pattern. Nobody ever said they don't. Not a single human ever. This STRAWMAN is always brought up whenever women's shaming is brought up. It's a way to distract.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:20 PM
4	Why is slut shaming wrong? It seems that you are viewing shaming as: using moralized language that implies some kind of wrongdoing. Wait, so when men use moralized language to imply that a woman sleeping around is some sort of moral wrongdoing, they're not shaming her?!??!	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:07 PM
4	Why is slut shaming wrong? Oh I see it. I see it thousands of times. A guy will say something, and women will pile on him CLAIMING that he said women shouldn't be allowed to have a preference. Man: This woman humiliated me for being short Women: Women are allowed to prefer taller men Man (if he bothers engaging): Of course! I'm only talking about the humiliation part. She mocked and shamed me for being short. Women: Women don't owe you a date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 02:04 PM
6	Why is slut shaming wrong? I've literally not seen that once. What I have seen THOUSANDS OF TIMES is women MISREPRESENTING what the man said. Man: I was shamed for showing interest Woman: Misreads and hallucinates words that never appeared on her screen, as if though the man wrote "how dare she not be interested"... Or whatever else she hallucinates he wrote, driven by her desire to downplay the point the man is making.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 01:48 PM
4	Why is slut shaming wrong? That's my point. Women always downplay female shaming of men to defend it. Either they purposefully dont see it a shaming, or claim it rarely happens, or any other way of downplaying it. The main point is that overall the societal messaging is that shaming women is bad, but shaming men is a non issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 01:44 PM
2	Why is slut shaming wrong? Oh the obligatory "that doesn't happen" crap. You realize every single man has seen this pattern in real life dozens to hundreds of times (women shaming guys for not meeting a preference), and then thousands of times online? The Starbucks thing is just a random example out of 150 possible ones. The thing is that it's been normalized cod women shame men for not meeting any preference. Unlike with slut shaming, it's for any of hundreds of possible preferences. In before you go: oh oh but it's most…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 01:09 PM
8	Why is slut shaming wrong? For the 39393928383938 time: Turning someone down is NOT SHAMING. NOBODY EVER SAID IT WAS. Why are you strawmanning? We're talking about this part: where she goes into a hyperbolic shaming attack where she says it was "inappropriate and creepy to approach women at Starbucks". Will you FINALLY GET IT WITHOUT STRAWMANNING?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:31 PM
5	Why is slut shaming wrong? She performed the pattern. Me: women shame men Her: exclusion isnt shaming NOBODY EVER SAID "Exclusion is shaming", not a single person ever. That was a STRAWMAN. Nobody ever said that exclusion is shaming. THAT IS THE WHOLE PATTERN. Men: it's not ok when women shame men Women: Exclusion is not shaming Men: WE NEVER SAID IT WAS why should I defend something I never said? It's the most frustrating STRAWMAN on planet earth, and women on this sub keep doing it. The pattern Men: women shame men for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:09 PM
14	Why is slut shaming wrong? Lol. Seriously? Here we go again.... The point is that a woman who prefers XYZ guys, will shame ABC guys for being ABC guys; Even though there's nothing wrong with being an ABC guy, it simply doesn't match her preference. EXAMPLE: A woman prefers to be approached only online, and thinks all offline approaching should be seen as inappropriate because to HER personally it feels awkward (preference) A man approaches her at Starbucks. She then proceeds to write a rant about how it's "creepy and inap…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 12:02 PM
9	Why is slut shaming wrong? LOOOL YOU LITERALLY JUST DID IT. YOU PERFORMED THE EXACT PATTERN I DESCRIBED.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 11:46 AM
20	Why is slut shaming wrong? the part that you're missing is that when women shame they don't even see it as shaming, but as stating a universal fact. It's a common thing men constantly try to communicate on this sub. Men don't have an issue with womens preferences, but the way they shame based on a preference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 11:11 AM
21	Why is slut shaming wrong? Funny how this only applies to one gender. There's an epidemic of women calling guys a creep or loser for not meeting her personal preferences. Women shame men not meeting their preferences all the time. And it's literally for 100s of varied preferences, not just body count. Except they pretend to speak for all women and society, as opposed to a preference not being met. Whenever men point this out, they're called incels or gaslit about it. Heck this entire sub is looping on the following patter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/25 09:25 AM
–	Why do men think there are so many good men I have the best explanation for this kindness bs. It's womanese for "charisma". When they say kind, that PRESUPPOSES higher status. It's when someone is at a higher status than you and cares for you. But the part that they don't say out loud is that it only registers as kind when coming from above. A guy on her level doing the exact same things isn't registered as hard but a nice guy or needy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/25 07:00 AM
–	Why do men think there are so many good men Simple, because guys interact with all men, and not just the charismatic or attractive guys. Women make their generalizations of men based on which men approached them or befriended or date them. Such men are a small portion of the male population. Guys have access to broader sample sizes which are more representative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/25 06:56 AM
2	Women contribute a LOT to "nice guy angst". You responded to someone pointing out (correctly) that the rights argument for women's delusional standards doesn't match the timing. It does match the timing of social media.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 07:25 PM
0	Women contribute a LOT to "nice guy angst". You're right. Its a coincidence that it matches social media perfectly. There was even a study that showed some dating effect the very year the iphone was created. Pure coincidence	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 09:46 AM
1	Women contribute a LOT to "nice guy angst". Exactly. The timing matches the explosion of social media. A huge portion of women calibrate their sense of "normal" based on what they see in social media. Which is why they have a totally warped view of what a normal man is and genuinelly think they have reasonable standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 09:45 AM
10	Women contribute a LOT to "nice guy angst". That bad things happen to bad people. It's used by women all the time to gaslight guys about dating. For example if a guy is struggling in dating, he must be a bad person who doesn't treat women like a human being. Implying that goodness determines outcomes. Conveniently ignoring that actual scum men have rosters. It's the equivalent to saying that rich people are good people and anyone struggling financially is a bad person. That would be horrible wouldn't it? Women apply this fallacy in dating…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 09:02 AM
1	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems No women are saying that? Why is gaslighting such a popular sport in this reddit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 08:54 AM
9	Forgiveness for past sins in dating You are	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 12:35 AM
2	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems Ah, the 'deliberately misread the analogy' retreat. The analogy illustrates that something can both affect people, and one can escape it. Though the scientology analogy goes even further and is directly comparable (i.e. programming and deprogramming). You can escape programming and say that it is dangerous. Nothing to "pick". Both are true. You just can't defend your 'pick one' logic, so you're pretending to be confused. We both know what happened here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 12:31 AM
3	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems 'Some people beat cancer, therefore cancer isn't deadly. Pick one.' 'Some people escaped Scientology and now help others leave, therefore the brainwashing never existed. Pick one.' Genuinely embarrassing that you thought these were gotchas. YES you CAN simultaneously say that scientology is a dangerous cult and say that you personally overcame the brainwashing, AND also helped others deprogram. Both can be true. Seriously worried for your mental health there buddy if you thought that was a retor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 12:08 AM
3	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems I've approached more women than 99.9% of men on the planet, and have coached and helped guys to do it. The gaslighting on your part is wild. This wasn't just social media - it's been 25 years of mainstream media, TV shows, workplace HR training, university orientations, and yes, millions of online posts all hammering the same message: approaching = harassment unless she explicitly invites it. Pretending this cultural bombardment didn't happen, then calling the guys who internalized it 'sexless l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 10:20 PM
2	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems If youre reffering to "fake it till you make it" that is a thing that speeds up the process, it doesn't replace it. Instead of having to do a 1000 approaches to become confident with flirting, you might get away with a 100 if you learn some mental hacks to skip levels. Same with every step in the funnel. Some mental hacks can help, but you can't be fully confident without a sufficient number of prior succesful outcomes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 09:45 PM
2	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems You're proving his point. Yes narcissists and psychopaths can be confident without experience. That's the point though. When women insist on confidence, they're literally insisting on players, narcissists and psychopaths. You literally can't have high levels of sociosexual confidence unless you're in one of those 3 groups.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 08:56 PM
2	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems Not really if you've been told that approaching is evil unless she makes a super clear invite. And most guys don't get such an invite.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 08:54 PM
1	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems Male pattern baldness only appears at what (for until recently) were grandparent ages. Short men HAVE been weeded out lol. The average man today is a giant compared to men in roman times. Every generation is taller than the previous specifically because women cull out the shorter end. Micropenises are rare, as is gyno in younger men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 07:52 PM
-7	Women logically are the cause of most dating problems That's not what HE is saying. He's obviously talking about the women who are saying: "No good men left" and such. But women shape the offer, not men. This is also evolutionarily true. Men's traits are shaped by what women choose. And even on a current level, men offer what women will accept. This is proven by studies on gender ratios. For example in more competitive environments women ask for less, and men give less.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 09:00 AM
-1	Do you guys legitimately feel that men aren't disadvantaged in modern dating? Pretty much. When they say emotional intelligence, they really mean that he's an expert level seducer who can micro-calibrate to micro hints in 0.1 milliseconds. And these same women wonder why they always end up with fboys, when their criteria is literally "be an fboy"	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/25 11:55 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Quote it. You claim you've answered. Show me where you said "YES, some women have unfairly called men creeps." Not implied it. Not danced around it. Not "said things that prove you believe it." Where did you say it directly? You can end this right now. One word: YES. If you've already answered, typing YES costs you nothing. It's just confirming what you've supposedly already said. But you won't type it. Because you never said it. Because typing YES means committing to something you've spent hour…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:55 PM
1	Does one ever recover from missing experiences as a youth? I give zero fucks. Living the time of my life. Sounds like an excuse you're using. There is literally no police force mandating you to live like a traditional 30 year old. That's just your excuse. Especially today when even people in their 40s are living like they are in their 20s	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:39 PM
1	Does one ever recover from missing experiences as a youth? How many people did you approach outside today?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:33 PM
1	Does one ever recover from missing experiences as a youth? It's actually easy if you have an above average dating life. I made up for it by doing better than 99% of guys. So at that point it's like (so what if I missed out on average in high school, I get to experience stuff those guys could dream of). That might seem like a difficult feat, but it's not. If you put your mind to consciously controlling your results, it's easy to have way above average results. You have to understand that the average guy lucks into a "barely better than nothing" dating li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:32 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever It's impossible to be trapped when telling the truth. Only manipulators, liers and gaslighters can be trapped.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:24 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever "Zero or not zero" is not a debate trap. It's counting. Has even ONE woman in history unfairly called a man a creep? This isn't philosophy. It's not a trick. A five year old could answer this. You won't answer because: If you say YES → you concede my point If you say NO → you claim women are infallible, which is insane So you hide behind "manipulative debate trap" to avoid a question a child could answer. For the record: she has been asked whether the number is ZERO or NOT ZERO, and she called b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 09:40 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever I DID NOT ASK YOU TO EVALUATE A SPECIFIC SITUATION. I am asking: Has there EVER been a situation - even ONE in the history of the world - where a woman unfairly called a man a creep/predator for a learning error? That's it. That's the question. NO = Not a single woman in the history of humanity has ever misused the term. Women are literally infallible. YES = It's not zero. Some women have overcalled it. This doesn't require context. This doesn't require details about "how he leaned in." This is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 09:08 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever "False dilemma" Okay. Let's test that. A man leans in slightly too soon. She wasn't ready. She calls him a predator. Question: Is that moral judgment SOMETIMES invalid? Not "always invalid." Not "never valid." SOMETIMES. YES → some women overcall creep/predator, the moral condemnation is sometimes unfair NO → every single time a woman calls a man a predator for mistiming, she's correct Where's the false dilemma? I'm asking if something is SOMETIMES true. To say NO, you'd have to claim women are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 08:30 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever The irony is staggering. You say context matters. You say nuance matters. You accuse men of black-and-white thinking. But the women who caused this problem never communicated the context or nuance. Women said: "Ugh I hate when men approach" "Don't hit on women at cafes" "Approaching at gyms is creepy" What they DIDN'T say: "...unless I find him attractive" "...unless the vibe is right" "...unless we've made eye contact first" "...but this is just my preference, other women differ" Men heard the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 07:58 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're contradicting yourself again. At the START of this conversation, YOU said: "Women say they want consent and men think it means never express sexual attraction ever" That was YOUR framing. YOU claimed there was messaging about consent. YOU claimed men heard it and "overreacted" by not showing interest. I spent this entire thread showing you what that messaging ACTUALLY contained. It wasn't just "get consent." That was the Trojan horse. The messaging PACKAGED as "consent" included: Every lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 07:01 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever If you approach someone at a cafe and they say it's inappropriate, so what? You keep making this about individual interactions. It's not. The messaging wasn't "one woman at a cafe might not like it." The messaging was: "Believe women. Listen to women. If women say X is inappropriate, X is inappropriate." Men saw women collectively declaring EVERY SINGLE X inappropriate. And they were told to believe women. Now you're saying "so what if she thinks it's inappropriate?" So spell it out clearly: Sho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 06:37 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever "Men who think there are only two options" No such group exists. What exists is men who are paralyzed by contradictory messaging - where every single possible way of showing interest has been declared wrong by someone invoking collective authority. You keep framing this as those men being too dumb to understand nuance. But the problem isn't lack of nuance - it's that the "nuanced" rules are: Contradictory Unstated until after you've "violated" them Framed as universal when they're actually indiv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 06:17 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Also - you cherry-picked "HR trainings" from my list and made it about workplace. But it's not even about location. It's about EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE CONTEXT being deemed wrong. When women reject a guy, they don't just say "I wasn't interested in him." They frame the approach itself as inappropriate based on whatever context existed: "It was inappropriate because it was at a cafe" "It was inappropriate because she was with friends" "It was inappropriate because she was reading" "It was inappropri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 06:13 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Wait. YOU started this conversation by saying men aren't showing sexual interest. That was YOUR claim. You said men heard "consent" and stopped expressing attraction entirely. We've spent this entire debate discussing WHY men stopped. Now you're saying "most men are living normal lives" as if there's no problem? Which is it? Men aren't showing sexual interest (your original claim) → then there IS a problem and we're discussing why Most men are fine and living normal lives → then why did you brin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 06:08 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Ok this is getting insane. It's almost like you forgot how this entire discussion started. YOU claimed men were simply told to seek consent, and those dumb men overreacted by not showing interest at all. As if the message was clear and simple and men just couldn't handle it. I've spent this entire thread showing you the messaging WASN'T "just get consent." It was "every possible way of showing interest is creepy/predatory if done imperfectly." You've now conceded: "Creepy" is subjective It varie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 05:33 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Thank you for conceding that "creepy" isn't objective and differs from woman to woman. THAT WAS THE POINT ALL ALONG. If "creepy" is subjective and varies from woman to woman: Then the 1/100 woman calling him a creep isn't delivering objective moral truth Then "believe women" as a universal rule made no sense Then treating "you're a creep" as authoritative moral judgment was always wrong Then men who internalized "if she says you're creepy, you did something wrong" were misled The messaging didn'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 05:04 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever "You don't experience it so why do you care" By this logic, people who escaped Scientology 10 years ago can't talk about Scientology. I figured it out. Most men haven't. I'm explaining why they haven't. This isn't complicated. "You want me to say whether all moral judgments all women make are right or wrong" No. I asked about a specific type of moral judgment: When a man makes a learning error - mistimes a move, misreads a signal - and gets called a creep/predator, is that judgment sometimes inv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 04:35 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Stop making this about me. I'm not asking for dating advice. I approach women regularly. This isn't my personal problem. I solved it 10 years ago. The discussion is about societal trends: Why men at large are approaching less Why men at large are making fewer moves Why women at large are complaining about this You made claims about men at large. You said men just need to do X. I'm explaining why men at large aren't doing X. And you keep deflecting to "why do YOU care what SHE thinks" as if this …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 03:25 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Every single point here has already been addressed. "It very clearly is the issue" Read it again. The critique isn't "women don't communicate clearly." The critique is the combination of not communicating clearly AND demonizing men for not reading minds. I explicitly said the first alone isn't the issue. "The vast majority of men get into relationships" And? That doesn't mean they weren't unfairly demonized in the process. That's like saying "he eventually left the hospital, so the car crash did…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 03:06 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You answered everything except the actual question. Again. And you keep framing this as what happens after she says stop. "Listen to her, stop if she wants to stop." NOBODY IS DEBATING THAT!!!! NOT A SINGLE PERSON!!! EVER!!! Of course you stop when she says stop. That was never the question. The question is: Is he a bad person for having tried in the first place? Not for persisting. Not for ignoring "no." For the initial attempt that was imperfectly calibrated. The cultural message wasn't "men w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 02:58 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're still not getting it. The chilling effect doesn't happen after an interaction. It happens before. Men aren't sitting around sad because one woman called them a creep. They're hesitating to show interest at all - not approaching, not flirting, not escalating, not making moves - because they've absorbed years of cultural messaging that says: Approaching = creepy Complimenting = harassment Flirting = problematic Escalating = predatory Misreading a signal = assault-adjacent The messaging isn'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 02:32 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever We covered this five responses ago. Nobody said there's one set of instructions for what individual women want. That's not the point. The point is: There WAS one unified cultural message: men who do X are creeps/predators. That message wasn't "some women don't like X." It was "X is morally wrong. Men who do X are bad people. Believe women. Listen to women." Men listened. To the cultural messaging. The articles. The social media campaigns. The HR trainings. The think pieces. Now you're saying "wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 02:27 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever "If someone you meet along the way thinks something about you that is bad who cares?" Thank you. You finally answered. Your answer is: Men should ignore women's moral judgments. Okay. But here's the problem: For 15+ years, the cultural message has been the opposite. "Listen to women. Believe women. If women say X is creepy, it's creepy. If women feel uncomfortable, you did something wrong." Men listened. They took it seriously. They heard women say approaching is creepy, complimenting is creepy,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 02:10 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever "What's the obsession with someone thinking you're a creep?" That's the answer you've been avoiding this whole time. You're saying it doesn't matter. Men should just ignore being called creeps/predators. Okay. So: Women call men creeps/predators for learning errors Men should ignore it and proceed anyway Men who don't ignore it and opt out are... wrong? Weak? Overreacting? You've just told men to disregard women's moral judgments. That's been my point the entire time. You can't simultaneously sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 01:40 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever The question makes perfect sense. You just don't like either answer. A man makes a learning error - mistimes a move, says something flirty too soon, leans in before she's ready. A woman calls him a creep/predator. Is her judgment correct or an overreaction? That's a yes or no question. There's no secret third option. Either: He did something genuinely wrong (B) She overreacted (A) You already answered this in your other comment. You said if someone calls you names on a date, "that person isn't a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 01:38 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever So you're saying the woman who calls him a creep for a learning error is "not a good person"? Great. We agree. Now extend that beyond one date. When thousands of women write articles, social media posts, and rants calling men creeps/predators for learning errors - are those women "not good people" too? Because that's the cultural messaging men are responding to. It's not one bad date with one mean woman. It's a decade+ of loud voices saying awkward approach = predator, mistimed compliment = hara…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 01:25 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever For the 7273838th time: NOT A SINGLE PERSON EVER ASKED NOR SAID "How to never rejected". WHY DO YOU LIE AND MAKE UP SHIT. Someone might assume you're strawmanning, but at this part it's reaching hallucination levels of gaslighting. Rejection = "He wasn't my type, not interested" Demonization = "He's a creep for trying in the wrong way/time/place" DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE? You keep answering a question NOT A SINGLE PERSON EVER ASKED and dodge the question guys are ACTUALLY ASKING. WE'RE a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 01:22 PM
3	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever This is actually reasonable, and if most women operated like you describe, the problem wouldn't exist. The issue is: Your personal policy isn't the cultural norm. The loud voices aren't giving clear guidance like "X is wrong, Y is acceptable." It's more that every single possible move is wrong if not executed with perfect smooth calibration - and lack of smoothness is treated as evidence of malintent. The messaging women receive today is: when in doubt, assume the worst. Awkward delivery? He's p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:51 AM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever The critique isn't: "Women are bad because they don't communicate more clearly." That ON ITS OWN is NOT the issue. The critique is: Women simultaneously refuse to communicate clearly AND demonize men for not knowing what wasn't communicated. Either of these alone would be fine: Don't communicate clearly + accept men will sometimes guess wrong = fine Communicate clearly + hold men accountable for ignoring clear signals = fine But: Don't communicate clearly + demonize men for guessing wrong = impo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:29 AM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Nobody said "not dating the learner" is demonization. That's a STRAWMAN at best and purposeful gaslighting more likely. Demonization means: Writing articles about how men who approach are creeps Social media posts ranting about "fucking creeps" who misread a signal Labeling awkward attempts as "harassment" Treating a mistimed compliment as morally equivalent to assault Publicly shaming men for learning errors as if they're predators A woman saying "no thanks" isn't demonization. A woman going on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:18 AM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're MISSING THE POINT. The point is that PUNISHMENTS ARE BEING METTED OUT AS IF there were clearly defined rules. We're not saying it needs to be black and white. But you can't then punish guys AS IF it were black and white. Do you not understand the difference. DO YOU SERIOUSLY NOT GET THE DIFFERENCE? Men are punished like "you evil bastard you did x, and she doesn't like x, you're evil". But nobody tells you she doesn't like x, and the rules is ONLY stated AFTER the fact. In no other area o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 11:00 AM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Women aren't demonized for "not wearing neon signs". We point out that its EVIL to DEMONIZE MEN for guessing wrong. Either option is fine; Women don't want to wear their preferences on their forehead. Of course. But then don't fucking humiliate a guy for guessing wrong; The part that you're missing is that WHEN women demonize guys, they do so AS IF he ignored her neon signs. You CANT ACT as if though you had a neon sign, and humiliate guys AS IF they ignored your non-existent neon sign.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:58 AM
3	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Furthermore this has been scientifically validated; They had a study where they had WOMEN look at interaction and GUESS if the woman was showing signs of interest or not. The women were NO BETTER at reading these cues than men! NOT AT ALL! And almost no better than chance. People defend women treating men like shit for guessing wrong by pretending it's possible to read cues perfectly, but this has NEVER been scientifically validated as even being possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:54 AM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Three things: Reading social cues only INCREASES the ODDS of guessing right, it doesn't guarantee it You learn through trial and error. Women today DEMONIZE errors (as if perfection was possible) There's no leeway given for the fact that PERFECTION is impossible; And you can't expect a guy to not making learnign errors (since it's a skill picked up by trial and error) As long as men are demonized for learning, we will see more men simply give up. Plenty of women treat akward approaches as "c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 10:52 AM
5	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever And they refuse to answer. I've been going back and forth with another feminist here, asking one simple question: When a guy makes a learning error - misreads a signal, says something flirty too soon, leans in before she's comfortable - and gets called a creep/predator... is that moral judgment valid or exaggerated? If valid: she's telling men to do immoral things anyway. If exaggerated: she's admitting women dish out unfair moral condemnation. She won't pick. Just keeps deflecting with "try thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 09:27 AM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever And they refuse to answer. I'm having a back and forth with another feminist on here, and I keep asking her: are you saying men shouldn't listen to women. And she keeps deflecting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 09:20 AM
5	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Don't bother, they always deflect and never take accountability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 09:03 AM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You just described a different style of showing interest. Cool. It still has learning errors. You might say "I want to kiss you" too soon That particular woman might find verbalizing it weird or pressure-y Your timing might be off If said awkwardly it can be creepy She might not be in that headspace yet Any method of expressing interest can be miscalibrated. That's the whole point. There is no error-proof technique. Every approach has a learning curve. So when the guy uses YOUR method, says "I w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 08:34 AM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever TLDR: Me: What about when you flirt imperfectly? You: Learn to flirt perfectly. Ok, but what about UNTIL THEN? Those learning errors? Are you admitting the judgments are overblown, or are you telling guys to ignore valid moral judgments?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 08:15 AM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You didn't answer the question. I didn't ask whether to express interest. I didn't ask for flirting tips. I asked a specific question about the moral framing. When a man gets it wrong - goes in for the kiss too early, misreads a signal, escalates when she wasn't feeling it - and gets called a creep/predator/harasser: Is that moral judgment valid or exaggerated? Because your advice is 'express interest anyway.' But if the moral condemnation is legitimate, then you're telling men to risk doing som…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 08:06 AM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You didn't answer the question	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 08:03 AM
4	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Correct, but flirting is a skill learned through trial and error and women demonize learning errors. Point: Women demonize imperfect flirting Answer: Just learn to flirt perfectly Ok, but what about UNTIL THEN? BECAUSE MANY WOMEN HUMILIATE THE FUCK OUT OF GUYS WHO ARE LEARNING AT ANY POINT PAST 10TH GRADE.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/25 08:03 AM
3	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Genuine question though, to circle back to what you advised before... You seem to be suggesting men should just make moves anyway despite the demonization. Help me understand this. If a man is told that doing it wrong makes him a creep/predator/harasser - that it's a moral failing, not just a learning error - are you saying: A) The moral condemnation is exaggerated and he should recognize it's not actually that serious or B) He should do things he's being told are genuinely immoral and ignore hi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 10:47 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Don't worry man, she'll gaslight you that these weren't your experiences. That any man you ask will tell you the same is irrelevant. We've ALL tried the asking women what they want shit, but they can never say in advance. Magically they only know what they don't want and only after you do it, but you were somehow supposed to know in advance even if she didn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 10:09 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Tl;Dr your doing bothsideism to defend women having destroyed society with their piss poor communication.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 09:38 PM
1	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever How the fuck would that work exactly? You see a woman and approach her asking how she would prefer to be approached? Then you ask hey do you prefer a faster pace of flirting or a slower pace? Ok now do you prefer a man who initiates fleeting touch and sexy eye contact or do you prefer a guy who aaits for you to do the sexy eyes first? Ok now do you prefer a guy who just goes for the kiss or one that verbally asks for it? How would that work PRECISELY.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 09:37 PM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever For fucks sake. We already went over this. YES DIFFERENT WOMEN WANT DIFFERENT THINGS. YES YES YES YES That is how it should be. YES YES YES for the 373837e7r737373847477r7r73th time, nobody says otherwise. Who the fuck are you arguing with, ghosts? That is not the issue and has never been the issue and not a SINGLE PERSON has EVER disagree with that. That is not the issue. The issue is: women SIMULTANEOUSLY not COMMUNICATING their preference and demonizing you for not meeting their preference wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 09:23 PM
6	Did getting into a relationship change your views/approach? Great example. I always laugh when women act like podcasters are somehow hypnotizing men into things that they've never seen. Like every guy has seen how women have completely different standards for different guys. They weren't brainwashed by some podcaster to see it. They saw it a 100 times before they stumbled on that podcast.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 09:15 PM
3	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever I never said anything about a rosy past. Stop inventing shit. I'm only explaining why guys changed. Men had a clear ruleset of how and what they can do when. It's women who fail to communicate, not men. The standoff is happening coz guys are going like "ok, so from now on every woman sets her own rules, ok, can women communicate their rules?" Women: NO. You should guess and if you guess wrong well humiliate you and accuse you of being a rule breaker . Men: Why can't you just fucking learnt to CO…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 09:04 PM
2	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Lol ok, random men. See that selfishness is what came back to bite women in their selfish ass. Not connecting the dots that if you demonize the wrong guy making the move, you also make sure the right guy doesn't make a move. We are bombarded with legions of women crying why men no longer approach, why the right guy didn't make a move etc. etc. This utter selfishness is why. You think that if you bash a random guy whos not your type for lacking telepathy that this will have no effect on guys who …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 08:31 PM
3	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Agreed, but the part you're forgetting is that it wasn't RANDOM AND DIFFERENT FROM PERSON TO PERSON. For centuries there was a societally agreed upon "correct" way to court women. You were moral if you did a, and shunned if you did b. WHAT IS COMPLETELY NEW AND HAS NEVER EVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY IF THE WORLD is that every woman defines the morality of something AFTER THE FACT (based on whether he was her type), and you're not allowed to know in advance, you only find out AFTER doing it and y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 08:25 PM
4	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Yes rude rejection existed before. Are you gaslighting or pretending that you have no clue what we're discussing? Women now insert a MORAL component into it. You're a BAD PERSON for having even tried. I'd never date an ugly dork like you gagah, is NOT the same as you're a creep for trying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 06:44 PM
3	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Ok the past 30 years of bashing men didn't happen and men spontaneously decided to no longer show interest at no fault of women who are fucking perfect and there's nothing women can improve in how the fuck they communicate, and everything is fucking dumb men's fault.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 06:38 PM
10	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're missing the point. Everyone is acting like men stopped making moves due to some mysterious random spontaneous phenomen, so as to not burden women with accountability for causing it. It seems we accept causality for everything else in the checking universe except when the causality links to something women did. Then it's without cause magically because the ultimate rule is women can never be tasked with accountability.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 06:34 PM
8	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're either incompetent or purposefully conflating things. Failing an entire business is not on par with making the wrong move. The equivalent would be something like failing to read someone's bluff in a negotiation and saying yes too soon. Nobody writes entire articles to demonize you for not reading negotiation tactics as well as a seasoned sales pro.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 06:13 PM
7	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're gaslighting again to defend women from accountability. Fear of rejection isnt new. Guys OPENLY KEEP TELLING YOU GUYS THAT THE NEW THING THEY FEAR IS BEING UNFAIRLY DEMONIZED. Men always feared rejection, but in the past it was merely a polite no. What is NEW, WHAT CHANGED is that it is no longer merely JUST REJECTION. It is what women added on top of that which fucked up relations between genders, and since women won't take accountability, they pretend it's only about fearing rejection. W…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 06:03 PM
8	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever I was very specific in my wording. I'm not talking about business in general. I was very specific. We're talking about LEARNING ERRORS. Like small errors in calibration. The equivalent to making the move too soon or imperfect flirting or even just being awkward. In no other area of life are you demonized for learning errors and assumed to be defective for not having been born with a given skill or not being smooth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:57 PM
11	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever It is absolutely entirely women's fault that men stopped showing interest and making moves. Men didn't magically change out of thin air. It is 100000% the fault of piss poor shit communication skills on the part of women	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:54 PM
14	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're forgetting one thing. And I tell you this as a business owner. You're not declared a piece of shit immoral sinner for learning errors in business. This is the only area in life where there is an entire industry bashing learners for learning errors and impugning morality for those errors. When was the last time you saw a major publication post a column bashing a newbie business owner and making him into a piece of shit for say making an offer too soon, or not enough? Where are the tens of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:49 PM
8	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You're missing the point. You blame guys as if they randomly for no reason stopped showing interest. The implication that men are these dummies who unless they're allowed to break consent will go and do nothing instead. This is the horrible narrative being spun so that women don't have to take any accountability for being such shit communicators. "We didn't say don't show interest, we just fucking suck at communication". Secondly, the point isnt just that "you shouldn't care if people like you o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:37 PM
3	Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as well You're missing the point again. Women do this in every fucking context possible. They impune morality for not meeting an unstated preference. Society and natality rates are imploding because of this bullshit. It's not just about this context. A woman who prefers you approach one way over another will label you an immoral dinner for having approached the other way. In any context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:27 PM
18	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever Three things: One learns that skill through trial and error Women spent 30 years demonizing errors Women are horrible communicators about what the exact error was. HORRIBLE COMMUNICATORS Example: A man moves in closer without having first done a 3 second test to see if she's comfortable with closeness Woman: Fucking creeps, why would you approach a woman who's out with friends you fucking creeps. I'm obviously out to dance with my girlfriends not be approached by guys!!!! Argbffhrhdhdh! There's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 05:22 PM
3	Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as well WOAH, THATS FUCKING SCARY. So you're saying if I prefer that a rock band asked me to gest on my podcast and I prefer metal bands, I can then deem the morally repugnant for having written me this email? THAT IS NOT HOW MORALITY WORKS IN ANY OTHER ASPECT OF LIFE. And especially not if I haven't DECLARED my preferences. Fun fact: telepathy doesn't exist. You don't know a woman's preferences until you offer. In what area of life is it ok to deem an action immoral where the only way to do it right is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 04:53 PM
9	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever You STILL DONT GET IT. Of course women are different!!!!!!!!!! YES. THE POINT IS 1) MEN CANNOT TELEPATHICALLY KNOW IN ADVANCE WHICH WOMAN HAS WHAT PREFERENCE 2) Men are deemed morally repugnant for showing interest in a way that specific woman didn't prefer. BUT THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW IN ADVANCE Do you get the point? MANY WOMEN ACT LIKE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCES ARE A UNIVERSAL MORAL LAW. In the past 30 years it has been normalized that a woman can SUBJECTIVELY deem your move inappropria…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 04:41 PM
15	Our culture promotes consent and mindfulness more than ever in history, yet people fuck less than ever The reason men think never express sexual attraction ever is because EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE WAY OF EXPRESSING IT HAS BEEN DEEMED RAPEY. Did you miss the last 30 years of demonizing men for expressing sexual interest?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 04:01 PM
4	Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as well You're not getting the point. Let me give you a different example. A guy whos her type approaches her at the cafe: Approaching in cafes is hot!!! A guy who's not her type approaches her at the cafe: stop approaching people at the cafe, you pests, ugghhh! If she said "If you're not my type don't approach me at the cafe", that wouldn't be an issue. Leaving alone the fact that you don't know until you approach, but brushing that aside, the point is that way too many women put a moral judgement when…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 03:57 PM
9	Women consider it a "betrayal" when an ostensibly platonic male friend expresses romantic interest in them ONLY IF they're not interested in him, as well We keep spelling it out that we're only talking about the value judgement and these types of people keep pretending to miss-understand... For example take how we point out that women will place a MORAL VALUE JUDGEMENT on a guy saying hi if he's not her type. Making it seem like the very act of saying hi is immoral. Instead of admitting "he just wasn't my type". Them: Women are allowed to reject you. Get over it!!!!! Us: of course, but we're talking about the MORAL JUDGEMENT added on top. If a gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/25 03:50 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes the vast majority (at least 99% but probably 100%) of the content bashing men for approaching WAS A) Directed at men specifically. The articles presented themselves as telling men what to do and not do. B) They were all by feminist columnists and/or feminist websites. C) Actually attractive and cute women are now whining and complaining why men won't approach I do realize feminists did this on purpose because feminists unlike feminine women are playing the "I hit on guys" game so feminists achie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 01:24 AM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes In 15 years of following this stuff I'd say 99.99% of the stuff written didn't include specifics that would make it clear to the young reader that it's ok to approach. You're just making excuses for feminists screwing up and creating a generation of men afraid to approach women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 01:08 AM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes "Like her" refers to the woman who just says "don't approach at the cafe" without explaining that she actually means don't approach at the cafe and then go straight into bedroom banter. Young guys hear women complaining about an approach without giving context what made it bad, they just say "cafe approaches bad", Not you. You gave specifics of a bad approach. The point is women never give these specifics. They just say "cafe approach bad". You guys keep forgetting that were talking about YOUNG …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/25 12:30 AM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes But that's the thing. They never communicated that part. As guys we grow up seeing women like her ranting "ugggh some guy approached me at the cafe, don't approach me when I'm trying to just get my caffeine fix!", so we make a note don't approach or talk to women in cafes. And eventually that list expands to include every single possible location on planet earth because women SUCK at communicating. They DONT say: "A guy approached me at a cafe using the speed that's appropriate at a mutual frien…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 09:20 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes But that's the point. Women SUCK at communicating context. Real world example: We girls love it when guys hit on us. Same girl: uggh, I hate it when I'm just trying to drink coffee and some guy hits on me Same girl: hooks up with a guy she met at a cafe, and takes him home the same day and says how hot it is when guys have the balls to pick you up in the cafe. Difference? She was ovulating in the second situation. And the guy was an experienced lothario who knew how to communicate and read micro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:39 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes Ditto. Fortunately these days there you have threads (by ig) where you can see who these people are. The kind of man bashing femcels shit that you see on here, if you cross-reference it with who writes this kind of stuff on threads, you'll see these people look like actual bridge trolls. And on ig/facevook whenever you see women writing this kinds of misandric stuff it's always someone with like 5 friends. I didn't even think it's possible to only have 5 friends of social media. But femcels do. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:26 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes I have these types of conversations and have had them for a decade now with a ton of women in real life too. They contradict themselves in the exact same ways. It's not a reddit/online thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:21 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes You know most of us speak to women in real life and see them saying opposite things? Same woman. We all see it all the time when it comes to anything sexuality/dating reality. Like one day she'll say she hates it when guys do x, and then she hooks up with a guy coz she loves when guys do x. Same exact woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 08:19 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes So for example a 7 in looks with a horrible personality will still have guys pretend to like her as a person and kiss up to her and pretend that they see her as more than just a set of holes. Mids (5 in looks) with horrible personalities don't, and are relegated to "walking meat". What they don't get is that their male counterpart wouldn't even be seen as a person, he'd be invisible. She's only visible as a piece of meat, which to her feels dehumanizing. But that's because a female with no value…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 07:19 PM
1	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes So for example a 7 in looks with a horrible personality will still have guys pretend to like her as a person and kiss up to her and pretend that they see her as more than just a set of holes. Mids (5 in looks) with horrible personalities don't, and are relegated to "walking meat". What they don't get is that their male counterpart wouldn't even be seen as a person, he'd be invisible. She's only visible as a piece of meat, which to her feels dehumanizing. But that's because a female with no value…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 07:09 PM
1	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes So for example a 7 with a horrible personality will still have guys pretend to like her as a person and kiss up to her and pretend that they see her as more than just a set of holes. Mids with horrible personalities don't, and are relegated to "walking meat". What they don't get is that their male counterpart wouldn't even be seen as a person, he'd be invisible. She's only visible as a piece of meat, which to her feels dehumanizing. But that's because a female with no value on the personality en…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 07:09 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes I mean ones who we'd rate as 2-3 in terms of partner quality overall, I wasn't talking about looks. It is typically mids with horrible personality (so a 2) who get treated as a cum dumpster and get all sorts of resentful and then spread all this toxicity online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 07:04 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes While you are correct that this is their motivation, this is not how they communicate it. It took me 10 years to realize that the women who demonize approaching are the 2s and 3s who only get approached by sleazy guys going "want some d-ck you uggo?". The issue is they don't communicate it that way! They say stuff like: "ugghhh men should stop approaching". They don't QUALIFY IT. It's only when you meet and befriend beautiful women and notice they all say they love being approached and flirted w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 06:50 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes Correction: ignore what mids say. Beautiful women don't say this stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 06:46 PM
–	Apparently even progressive women have a habit of demonizing sexuality of average dudes I need to correct you here. I think the part you're missing is this... You never see hot or beautiful women saying stuff like this. It's always a bunch of 2s and 3s who demonize flirting and approaching? Why? Because they have a bad experience with it. They literally get approached as a piece of meat where the guy is like "she's a 2, she should be happy I'm offering d-ck here". Chris Williamson once pointed this out in a podcast with Scott Galloway too. Anyone observant notices it's the hit, bea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 06:45 PM
10	The number one problem with lonely guys is not cultivating a social life and social skills I agree. This is my personal biggest pet peeve. They keep saying guys lost social skills, but conveniently ignore that women have none. They literally just wait for men to do all the skill stuff. He is supposed to know how to approach a woman and create an interesting conversation out of thin air and she's supposed to simply exist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 06:16 PM
2	Modern society won’t admit that dating is harder for the average man than average woman, because it pushes a narrative that men don’t experience disadvantages, or women have privileges. Lol when. Never seen this in over 20 years, either offline or online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/25 02:37 PM
11	"Both women and men believe that their gender disadvantages them. When so many men feel underappreciated and so many women feel mistreated, it creates a vicious cycle of resentment." → Research The claim being made is that men off themselves because they're too stubborn to ask for help. The truth is they ask for help and nobody gives a crap so they off themselves anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/25 11:37 PM
3	Men are shallow as well For the 5644645 billionth time: nobody has an issue with women being shallow. People have an issue with all the gaslighting surrounding it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/25 11:48 PM
1	Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward men Because women aren't required to take initiative. As a guy you have to break the distance or touch barrier at some time. Autistic women can simply wait for a guy to do it. Autistic men are in this double bind that if they don't initiate they are called cowards and blamed for being alone. But if they do come closer to try and initiate and do it for 0.7 seconds longer than a non-autist they're a horrible creep. Autistic women don't face this double bind. They can just decide to wait for a man to t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/25 07:58 AM
3	Women tend to be all about mental health awareness, yet practice a zero tolerance policy for socially awkward men So typical. He wasn't talking about the romantic rejection itself. But how it's done, the demonization and labelling afterwards. When a socially awkward guy fumbles a date or interaction it's not just "I wasn't interested", it is complete demonization and bashing the guy because he didn't react in 0.7 seconds to a micro hint.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/25 07:49 AM
14	Women make it very stressful for men to stay single It's a myth. People can't tell your experience. In fact women go too far in the opposite extreme. They overassume skill and experience. So when she gives hints and you don't make the move, she assumes you're not interested. Even though the hint was so subtle only a player could see it. I am of course talking about ones who like you. Such a girl assumes you have a bunch of girls after you, no matter who you are because girls always assume that of a guy they like. As for the girls who don't like y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/25 08:55 PM
1	Rejection is Humiliating to Men. No they don't. They throw hints. They do believe they're being obvious, but it's only obvious to highly experienced fboys. It's called signal amplification theory.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 09:40 PM
1	Rejection is Humiliating to Men. Bs, that doesn't happen past high school. How old are you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 10:54 AM
1	Women are just as creepy as men they just get away with it. Yeah essentially women are allowed to suck or be awkward at flirting. Guys aren't. You're somehow supposed to be born smooth. Learning this social SKILL through experience (which involves trial and error) is seen as an excuse to bash men anytime they have the error part of trial and error. Essentially if you didn't master flirting by the end of high school, you're doomed to this vicious catch 22. In order to get the skill, you need experience, but you're demonized for getting the experience. It …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 09:17 AM
1	Why don't women like hearing a lot of men's attractiveness is outside of their control? 99% of the time the "solutions" are BS, and are advice that works for women, not men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/25 05:58 AM
1	Why do women give bad advice to men? Plenty of jerks have triple digit notch counts. Plenty of absolute sweetheart men are virgins or near virgins. You get an F for this response. The truth is that the number one thing is confidently shooting your shot. That's it. Perfect men who don't make moves sleep alone Jerks who can confidently flirt and create fun vibes never sleep alone. Do women prefer a non-jerk? Sure. But only from the guys who they see as an option. And guys who hesitate to make a move aren't even seen as an option.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 06:54 PM
3	Why do women give bad advice to men? I think your answer is closest to the truth. What I've found from looking at female friends, the advice they give is the advice that worked for them. "Just learn to relax and things will happen" was the advice I saw my best friend give to guys who struggle. Guess what... She was too rigid and closed off when guys flirted with her and to get a dating life she only needed to relax and let things happen. So she thinks that's what a guy struggling needs to do. Just relax. Not realizing guys have 28 …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 06:50 PM
12	Why are men here surprised that women give attention to men they like? There are plenty of areas where men want to have their cake and eat it too I'm sure. In this specific instance I'm commenting how women simultaneously want to complain about bad approaches, but don't want to see them stop, because they get an ego boost from rejecting men. It's the perfect way to bragplain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 05:20 PM
3	Why are men here surprised that women give attention to men they like? Don't forget they want to have their cake and eat it too	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 05:05 PM
6	Why are men putting less effort in pursuing women than before? Because every guy today has noticed how fragrantly and in-your-face women make the fboy privilege. They loudly and proudly treat fboys 1000x better than regular guys. They don't make them put in effort or jump through hoops. They'll bang an fboy 10 minutes after meeting him, but they expect the other guy to put in literally (not an exaggeration) a 1000 times more effort. If women were at least a little bit less extreme or a little bit more discreet, you wouldnt see so many guys going "no way am …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/25 03:32 PM
0	A Man is either desired by many women or no women This is true. A common gripe I've heard among guys is "why can't I just get one girlfriend? Why must I go in the journey of building a roster, to get one". Women are the ones who enforce this insane dynamic that serves no one. Any guy will tell you that if you only speak to one woman at a time, she will literally act disgusted. Talk to 10 women at a time, all 10 want you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/25 02:45 PM
1	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure Lol. It was better for women too. There's a reason the term situation ship didn't exist in the 90s. Women had SOCIAL SKILLS and had a LARGER pool of options. How is having MORE social skills and MORE options a bad thing? Women today are limited to dating players and sociopaths. Is that an improvement?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 08:11 PM
5	People pick and choose when women aren't a monolith. Yep. And it's the same people. There are also a lot better examples than the ones you gave. But yes feminists are notorious for speaking as-if women were a monolith. But the moment anyone else generalizes anything "women aren't a monolith!!"... Like hello? Excuse me? Just 5 seconds ago you were pretending to speak for all women and acting like you're a representative of all women and know how all women think and what all women want etc. My favorite example is when women state individual preferen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 06:33 AM
2	Women bully each other into hypergamy That doesn't even make sense as hypergamy just means dating up. Nothing to do with opinions. Like are people saying you're dating up any time you give an opinion they disagree with? How does that even work. Sounds like something you just invented. But I'd love to be proven wrong. Can you give examples of people using hypergamy to mean an opinion they disagree with?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 09:08 PM
3	It’s not dating apps or feminism that have raised women’s standards—it’s the removal of pressure The 90s weren't easier because women had lower standards. They were easier because BOTH genders could hold a conversation. Social media didn't just kill men's social skills - it killed everyone's. The difference? Women are the approached gender, so they never feel the consequences. A woman with zero game still gets dates because some player will show up doing conversational backflips. A man with zero game gets zero dates. Think about it: If you never had to learn to cook because food magically a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 08:04 PM
–	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. You've talked to zero girls this month. It's scary. I know. Black pill is your excuse to avoid that scary rejection.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 03:06 PM
1	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. Hey I used to be black pill/antipua like 15 years ago. In fact I was one of the first leaders in the "game is a scam" movement. And most of what's taught as game is indeed a scam to sell courses. However basic sociosexual skills are in fact the real deal. Go out and test it for yourself. Walk up to 100 girls with booming voice projection, posture etc. And then approach a 100 acting like you're beneath her and she'd do you a favor. Tell me you don't see at least a 10-fold difference in results. D…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/25 02:48 PM
5	If you have to cold approach, that’s a sign it’s time to throw in the towel If you mean hit on yes. If you mean start a conversation with, no. I technically cold approach everywhere. Bus stop, grocery store, pedestrian walk etc... but I don't show sexual interest. I am just being social and when a girl shows more interest only then do I get flirty. Otherwise it remains at the level of neighbourly flirting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 09:35 PM
2	Let's be honest: men also have different rules for the women they're attracted to. The difference is men don't add MORAL JUDGEMENT on it. Yes a less attractive girl has to work harder to keep a guy... However men don't label fat girls "creepy" if they approach akwardly or show the slightest hint of nervousness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 01:50 PM
–	What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances? That too. When I got a sixpack I didn't have to focus on being super extroverted and charming to be deemed a cool "great guy". Girls would describe me to their friends as the coolest guy they ever met. I then gained some weight and all of a sudden I had to put in a ton of conscious effort in being charming just to not be seen as a bad person. And if I happen to be underslept, or tired, I'm seen as creepy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/08/25 06:14 AM
–	What is the motive behind telling men to be kind and it will improve their dating chances? Yeah as a guy you learn this when you see who women refer to as kind in real life. It's the cool, fun, charming guy. Its kind of annoying, but a guy can be completely unkind in every other way, but if she's charming, he'll be reffered to as "kind" and "respectful" by women. Whereas actual kind guys who aren't charming enough are seen as pricks. Women just use the word differently. It means "make me feel good". "Gives me good emotions".	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/08/25 05:07 AM
1	A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid. Lol the only difference between guys who get laid and guys who don't is how often they ask women out. All this bs about women being saints who detect inner character is utter nonsense. Ironically enough, one reason assholes get laid more is because they don't care and just keep going and are unphased by rejection, whilst incels take it personally. Women created this system where literal psychopaths do best in the game, because being successful in dating women requires being impertinent to social…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/25 09:44 PM
1	Why don't we never ask men to choose better but uglier women? Wtf. No one said anything about looks. We're talking about game, not looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/25 04:39 AM
3	Why don't we never ask men to choose better but uglier women? Bs, they don't ever pick losers with average sociosexual skills. It's always an fboy that they try to fix.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/25 09:30 PM
1	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Yes we are talking about men. Does it have to be reiterated in every comment? Why did you even bother posting that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 04:31 PM
3	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating In 76% of cases it does mean sexless	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 02:05 PM
6	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Why would anyone choose to be sexless by choice, lol. Your attempt to claim a majority of single men being explained away by "they're having casual sex and calling themselves single" is cute, but the data fails you. It shows few men have an ability to have a regular sex life without a relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:55 PM
1	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating The USGSS is based on all ages and orientations. Most of the sex mentioned is in relationships (when it comes to heterosexual men). Young men are predominantly NOT in relationships Most are not having sex outside of a relationship EITHER (You do the math) If I have to spell it ou: Most men can't easily get sex out of a relationship (men in general), they only get to regular sex by getting into a relationship And most young men in particular can't even get into a relationship The men you mentione…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:45 PM
5	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating The percentage of single men who have engaged in non relationship sex over the last year is 24%. That is to say 76% have not engaged in non relationship sex. This tells us the day to day. The lifetime numbers are a little better. Up to 60% of men have engaged in casual sex at least once in their LIFE (meaning 40% haven't even once). And only 24% do so at least once a year. Does 76% not being able to get it even ONCE a year sound like something that they can do with relative ease (not struggling)…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:33 PM
7	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating In detail: Here are several flaws in the claim that "70% of men are in a relationship" and that being single makes you "below average": 1. Misrepresentation of Statistics Multiple recent studies and surveys show the opposite: A majority of young men (under 30) are single. According to Pew Research Center, 63% of men under age 30 are single, compared to only 34% of young women[1][2][3][4][5]. This means nowhere near 70% of men are in relationships, especially in younger age groups. 2. Age Matters…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:26 PM
3	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Tl;dr: Obviously we are discussing younger (dating age) men. I can't even imagine where you'd possibly get data that says "at any given time, 70% of men are in a relationship." Only guess is it's a data set looking at older married men or some weird data set distorted by older guys. Remember discussions here are about YOUNG MEN OF DATING AGE. Even those older married men, many of those men spent their 20s struggling until a reformed Stacey decided to make them a provider.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:25 PM
-2	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Same here. I love being called an incel or having a small peepee. But you know what's especially weird? They do this even on non anynomous platforms. Like on Instagram where I have a popular profile of me surrounded with beautiful people, higher status lifestyle, if I disagree with a feminist on some meme, they call me an incel. And they're actual troglodytes. Like you can see the woman (or male feminist) calling me incel is some person that has a DP like a serial killer and 15 followers. These …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 01:18 PM
9	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating That's because you have a skewed perspective of average based on visibility. The average VISIBLE guy doesn't struggle. The statistically average (median) guy struggles. But how would you even know? You're not friends with them, they're not in your circles. Your observed sample is already skewed. That's why sample selection is science 101. The scientific method was invented when we discovered that humans have really insanely warped perceptions about reality that don't match objective reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 12:23 PM
6	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Or you oversimplify things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 12:20 PM
7	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating They will twist everything you say to make it sound malicious, so long as it helps reduce any perception of female privilege.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 12:19 PM
3	You're not an "average" guy if you struggle in dating Get used to it. Strawmanning is a feminists favorite tool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 12:18 PM
1	Why don’t you approach men as a form of empowerment? Picking a Starbucks is literally 0.01% of things guy have to get good at to even get an early dating going. Your massive privilege blinds you though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/25 06:07 AM
2	Why don’t you approach men as a form of empowerment? Only if he's a womanizer. Regular guys wait for signals of interest, and many women don't give them as they wait for the man to show it all first.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/25 10:27 PM
1	Why don’t you approach men as a form of empowerment? If people can be "oblivious" to it, then it's not really taking a shot. Taking a shot literally means it can be accepted or rejectes. What women define as 'hitting on a man" is a joke. It's not possible to be oblivious to an actual move. If takes interpretation then it is NOT a move, but a hint.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/25 10:21 PM
2	Why don’t you approach men as a form of empowerment? Thats because as women having female privilege it is handed to you on a silver platter. You only worry about later stages since you get the early stages by there fact that you were born. Because men put in all the work in those early stages you get to not worry about them and just be a passenger as men act as the bus drivers and then you get to say that driving a bus isn't a big deal and it's all about what you do when you reach the vacation resort... Because you're just a passenger.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/25 10:13 PM
0	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. Yes women lower their standards for hot guys. But when we notice that a woman is dating a guy who doesn't meet any of her stated criteria it's not always a male model. Most of the time women contradict their stated lists for average looking guys. If it only were that simple: "women are telling the truth and their stated list is the full list, they just make exceptions for hot guys". However men are constantly scratching their heads at how what women do and say are two completely different things…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/25 05:57 AM
5	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. I disagree. That's black pill and you've labeled yourself red pill. Things like high sociosexual skills or status factor in more than looks when it comes to women's unstated preferences. Like she says she wants to date kind generous men, but she's always dating unkind selfish men. They're usually NOT male models. The unstated part is that she wants dating to happen by merely existing and she thinks that encouraging guys or making moves herself is beneath her. So she'll date guys who don't meet a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 10:05 AM
16	This quote "the bar is in hell for men". This quote doesn't make sense all. Because that bar isn't usually meant for all men. When men say they have 95% they mean based on the criteria that women list. That's the point. The list of criteria stated out loud is a lie. It's not the full list. Of course those same men only meet 2% of the full list. But that's the point OP is making. Most women only state a tiny portion of the list and pretend that's the entire list.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/25 05:34 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled "How would unsuccessful people be getting approached?" ...seriously? Getting approached by people you don't want = unsuccessful. Getting spam calls doesn't make you successful at business. Getting job offers from MLMs doesn't make you successful at career hunting. Getting approached by players doesn't make you successful at finding relationships. This is embarrassing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 07:59 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You just contradicted yourself spectacularly. This ENTIRE discussion is about people NOT getting what they want in dating. You spent 10 replies arguing women need "better filtering strategies" because they're getting bad results. Now suddenly you claim "women are getting what they want"? Which is it? Getting what they want → Why do they need strategy guides? NOT getting what they want → Why is "do something different" forbidden? You literally argued: Women need better filtering strategies (becau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 06:31 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You're missing the entire point by nitpicking hypotheticals. The issue isn't whether shy guys are better leads. The issue is you act like it's HERESY to even suggest women could change their behavior to attract different men. You: "But women already get leads!" Me: "Different behaviors might get different leads" You: "BUT THEY ALREADY GET LEADS!" It's like you're in a cult where suggesting "maybe try a different approach" is blasphemy. In EVERY other area of life, if you're getting bad results, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 06:15 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled IF YOU ARE ONLY GETTING UNQUALIFIED LEADS Learning how to reject them differently doesn't magically make you get qualified leads. If you have tv ADS that ONLY bring unqualified leads, you change the ads, not the tone and way in which you say no.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 05:47 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled Ok, so advice on getting leads IS ONLY allowed for people who don't have any? The moment you have leads, YOU MAY ONLY focus on how to sort the leads you have gotten by chance. Because APPARENTLY there's some cosmic rule that ANY discussion on lead=getting IS ONLY for people who don't have leads? IMAGINE IF SOMEONE TOLD A BUSINESSES: "you're going bankrupt because you keep attracting BROKIES? Well just say no harder (facepalm). DO NOT think about or get advice on how to get inquiries from non-bro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 05:41 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled OMG I’m FACEPALMING. Why is it some a priori, axiomatic rule that: “If you’re getting leads, advice ONLY has to be about filtering them”? Where is it written in WHAT holy book that "doing advice" is ONLY allowed for those who don't have leads. APPARENTLY the moment you have leads (ANY leads, of any kind?) you are ONLY focused on talking about how to DEAL WITH THE LEADS YOU HAVE??? You can't possibly talk about how to get different leads!?!??! You're JUST REPEATING the presupposition, WHICH YOU N…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 05:21 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled (facepalm) You keep missing the OP’s point. Men’s advice = Change what you DO to get what you want. Women’s advice = Change how you REACT to what others do. You’re using two different standards for when “do this” advice is needed: For men, the goal is getting what they want, so “do this” advice makes sense. For women, if they’re being pursued, no “do this” advice is needed — even if they’re not getting what they want??? Pay attention: Being pursued isn’t the same as getting what you want. This w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 04:53 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You went on a really completely odd weird side tangent, forgetting what thread we're on. I've tried ignoring it, but you keep swerving away from the OP's point. This wasn't about what men want or should do (they ALREADY are told that). The OP's POINT or TOPIC (keep focused here) is that men are told to CHANGE and women are told to NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THEMSELVES and simply change how they ask things of men. THAT's THE TOPIC WE'RE DISCUSSING You then proceed to ask men to change... (facepalm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 03:51 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You just perfectly proved the OP's point about entitlement. Men who wait for encouragement = 'fearful cowards with shit qualities' Women who give no encouragement = just being selective Men's dating advice: 'Stop being cowardly, transform yourself' Women's dating advice: 'Date players for experience, then find someone better' You literally quoted a sorority girl bragging that women can date hot players first, then 'partner up with a guy who is better off than the nice guy.' That's EXACTLY the en…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 03:22 PM
2	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled Nice try, but you just proved the OP's point about entitlement. Nobody's 'hand holding' men through dating. Shy men get told to completely transform themselves or die alone. Reserved women get told they're perfect as-is and deserve pursuit anyway. Men aren't asking for hand holding - they're asking for basic human signals of interest. A smile. Eye contact. Literally any indication you're interested. That's not hand holding, that's how normal human interaction works. But you frame giving zero enc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 03:13 PM
3	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You keep bringing up hookup culture like this is about cold approach. It's not. This is about your coworker, your friend's friend, the guy in your social circle - men who already know you but won't make a move without encouragement. Even in 'warm' settings where you already know each other, good guys need some sign of interest before risking the friendship or making things awkward. Women don't give it. So nothing happens. 'Those dudes aren't trying' - Right, they're not trying to turn friendship…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 03:03 PM
6	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You completely missed the point. You ask 'how is she supposed to know the shy engineer would treat her well?' She doesn't. Because she never finds out. Because he needs some sign she's actually interested before making a move - like a normal person. She gives nothing. He moves on. Story over. Your whole argument is circular: 'How can we know if these guys are good?' You can't - because your first filter is 'must approach me without any sign I'm interested.' Guess who needs a green light? Guys wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 02:45 PM
1	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled Way to completely misread the point. Players don't need women to be 'inviting' - they shoot their shot regardless. That's literally what makes them players. The guys who DO need some sign of approachability? The normal ones with social awareness who won't make a move unless they sense genuine interest. The accountant at the coffee shop, the friend of a friend at the party, the guy from the gym who's not trying to hit on everyone. Think about it: Who pushes forward when a woman seems closed off? …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 02:36 PM
12	Typical dating advice for men vs typical dating advice for women shows who is really more entitled You're proving the OP's point perfectly. The problem isn't that women have standards - it's which standards they apply to which men. Most women have two modes: 1. 'He must read my mind and pursue me through mixed signals' - congrats, you just filtered for players. Regular guys in your league respect boundaries and back off. Players don't. 'I'll make it super obvious I'm interested' - but they only do this for guys who see them as an easy Tuesday night, nothing more. So they either date players w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/25 02:30 PM
1	Love and sex is not a right This is interesting. She's continuing to: 1 Gentlemen, she just gave us pure gold: "Romantic interest is a dime a dozen... men like you that focus on that are only interested in having a sexual encounter" So according to her, showing romantic interest = only wanting sex. This is EXACTLY the gaslighting that creates confused, paralyzed men. If expressing romantic interest makes you a predator, how the fuck do relationships start? "Actual worthwhile relationships start with finding someone that yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/08/25 06:05 AM
1	Love and sex is not a right Gentlemen, she just revealed the entire con: "An actual worthwhile relationship is not based on sexual attraction" - LMAO. Then what separates it from friendship? This is peak gaslighting. Watch how she describes her 50-year marriage examples but mysteriously skips HOW THOSE COUPLES WENT FROM STRANGERS TO LOVERS. "When those things are present no 'performance' is needed and intimacy comes naturally" - Translation: Once you're already in a relationship, sex happens naturally. No shit. But how did…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/25 08:40 PM
1	Love and sex is not a right Gentlemen, watch this gaslighting masterclass in real-time: She literally put "good girls" in quotes as if I said it - when SHE'S the one who created the virgin/whore dichotomy by separating "sex positive women" from "relationship women." I just pointed out HER framework. Notice the pattern: Me: "You need sexual energy AND respect for relationships" Her: "YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT SEX!" Me: "How do you find compatible women without expressing interest?" Her: "YOU SEE WOMEN AS SEX OBJECTS!" Me: "Sexual…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/25 08:19 PM
1	Love and sex is not a right Guys watching this comedy show: She just told you to "find sex positive women and be direct." But riddle me this - HOW THE FUCK do you identify these "sex positive women" without expressing ANY sexuality? Telepathy? A secret handshake? Do they wear special pins? According to her own rules: Show sexual interest = predator Flirt = harassment Create tension = forcing Escalate = disrespectful So you're supposed to remain a completely desexualized robot until you somehow divine which women are "sex p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/25 09:05 AM
1	Love and sex is not a right Huh, I just saw this reply. Btw, it shows how many people are reading. Gentlemen, her mask just slipped completely off: "Find sex positive women and be direct" - LMAO. After 50 posts calling you predators for showing ANY sexual interest, suddenly she admits direct sexuality is fine... just not with "good girls." She wants you sorted into two piles: sexless providers for "relationship women" and fuckboys for "sex positive women." But here's what she doesn't admit: ALL WOMEN NEED TO FEEL DESIRE. D…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/25 09:00 AM
5	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating You've completely lost the plot. I'm talking about communication and you're deflecting to 'well men have standards too.' No shit men have standards. The difference is men don't lie. If he gets hit on by a fat chick in the dog park he doesn't say "it's wrong for people to show interest when you're walking your dog" Women will say 'approaching at the gym is harassment' when they mean 'I don't want certain guys approaching me at the gym.' That's not communicating a standard - that's being a shit co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/25 07:29 AM
5	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating You're right - it IS about consent. But that's exactly the problem - they don't SAY that. They'll say 'I hate when guys approach in coffee shops' as if the LOCATION is the issue. Then next week they're posting about the cute guy who asked for their number at Starbucks. What they MEAN is 'I hate when guys approach and can't tell I'm uncomfortable.' But that's not what they SAY. They make it sound like coffee shops are some sacred no-approach zone. This is terrible communication. A guy hears 'don'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 06:46 PM
3	Dating is not as hard for men as they claim Exactly, though we didn't need Lebesgue measure to make this point - the feminist couldn't even grasp basic selection bias, let alone measure theory.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 07:50 PM
5	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating You did it again - 'get away with more things.' That framing implies it's inherently bad behavior that hot guys are ALLOWED to do. But that's not what happens. Women don't just 'tolerate' the same behavior from hot guys - they actively CELEBRATE it as romantic and sexy. Example: Hot guy stops a woman who's clearly in a rush to hit on her? 'OMG so romantic and confident!' Not-hot guy does the exact same thing? 'Creepy predator harassing women.' The issue isn't different treatment - it's that wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 05:07 PM
6	Dating is not as hard for men as they claim You completely missed the point. The 1% figure was deliberately extreme to show why the OP's logic fails. It doesn't matter if it's 1%, 10%, or 30% - the principle remains the same: people who easily get relationships are overrepresented in what we observe because they're constantly dating, while those who struggle are underrepresented because they're not. The guy who dates 10 women in a year creates 10 visible examples of 'men easily getting relationships.' The guy who struggles for years creat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 04:02 PM
9	Dating is not as hard for men as they claim The point still stands. Even if a minority of men did something youd constantly see men doing it. That's the point. It's a way to point out a basic flaw in logic: "I see a lot of men who x" doesn't prove "doing x is easy for most men". It's a horrendous leap in logic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 03:36 PM
3	All measures to fight bad men unfortunately end up hurting normal men He said it would. We can extrapolate from all previous double standard. For example there was a website that merely indexed publically available data warning men about women with borderline, abuse records etc... The website kept getting taken offline because no host would host it. All it took was a random woman claiming it spreads hate against women. A website listing nefarious men has never gotten banned and Facebook groups on this topic are multiplying. Men are simply not allowed to share info…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/25 10:08 PM
15	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating It seems everyone has reading comprehension issues, or purposefully twisting what the OP was saying. He didn't merely say that people are more forgiving. The exact same behavior is seen as SEXY or creepy based on who's doing it. Like it's not just that she forgives the one guy when he does it. She proactively labels it hot and sexy behavior when he does it. But creepy when the other guy does. Shes not merely tolerating it, but proactively labelling it the opposite way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/25 10:36 AM
4	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more They keep missing this point. Pretending like being a simp has a higher success rate, when the whole point is it has a lower success rate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:57 PM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You keep saying 'everyone deals with contradictory advice' like that's the issue. No. The issue is that "dating advice" by women uniquely comes with moral condemnation. Career advice: 'Network aggressively' vs 'Let your work speak for itself' Dating advice: 'Men who approach are predators' vs 'Men who don't approach are pathetic' See the difference? In other areas, you choose between strategies. In dating, you choose between different ways of being a terrible person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 10:31 AM
1	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You only added 'there is no universal way' AFTER I called you out. Your original comment just declared men who befriend women are 'pretending' - period. This is the exact pattern: Make universal moral claim ('men who do X are pretending') When confronted, backtrack ('well I can't speak for all women') Pretend you were always just sharing a preference You didn't say 'I prefer direct approaches.' You said men who aren't direct are being deceptive. That's not a preference - that's a character assas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 10:19 AM
1	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You say you can't continue if I keep bringing up other women, but that's THE ENTIRE POINT. Women pretending to speak for all women. You gave universal advice: 'Men who befriend women are pretending.' Not 'I personally don't like it when...' but a blanket statement about men's behavior and intentions AS IF you represent ALL women. Now when I point out other women condemn the opposite approach, you say you can't speak for them. But you already WERE speaking universally when you labeled men's behav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 10:06 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more I appreciate you sharing your experience, but here's the thing - I don't even agree with your advice to be 'direct from the start.' I think men should be friendly but maintain a flirty vibe, throw hints, show some sexual energy without immediately declaring intentions. A middle ground. But guess what? This approach ALSO gets morally condemned: Some women: 'Stop with the mixed signals, just be direct' Other women: 'Ugh, why can't men just be friends without making it weird with flirting' Some wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 09:50 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You're demonstrating exactly the pattern I described, but it's worse than you realize. These men aren't 'pretending' - they were explicitly TOLD: 'Don't be sexual, that's disrespectful' 'Just be a good friend' 'Wait for HER to show interest first' 'Let it develop naturally' They followed this advice to be RESPECTFUL. Now you're calling them manipulative pretenders for doing exactly what women told them was the right way to behave. They're not resentful because they got rejected. They're resentfu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 09:45 AM
1	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You said men who befriend women first are 'pretending.' That's not stating a truth or giving neutral advice - that's assigning deceptive intent to men's behavior. 'Pretending' means faking, being dishonest, having ulterior motives. That's a moral judgment about character, not a simple 'if X then Y' statement. Compare: Neutral: 'Being friends first might lead to the friendzone' Moralizing: 'Men who are friends first are pretending' You accused men of being fake and deceptive for following an appr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 09:10 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You're dodging my main point about empathy. I'm not asking for a manual - I'm asking women to stop demonizing men who guess wrong about their preferences. You say 'what language are you talking about?' but in your original comment you said men who befriend women are 'pretending.' That's assigning malicious intent, not just giving advice. Now you're backtracking saying you meant only 'a specific kind of man' who resents the friendzone. But that's not what you wrote. You gave universal advice abou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 09:07 AM
1	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Men aren't asking for advice that "works every time". Just advice that doesn't get pegged as immoral or fundamentally broken by entire swaths of the female population. It's ok if an approach works on 10% of women and you don't know which 10% they are. What's not ok and has been normalized is that the other 90% get to insult you because you did the thing that wasn't their preference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:57 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You're forgetting that you added moralizing. Unless a man does what you prefer "he's pretending to be a friend". Whereas a woman who prefers that it start off social and she show openness to flirting first will call you a creep by starting off with a direct display of sexual interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:53 AM
3	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more I'm not asking for advice. I cold approach and meet about 30 women in public every month, and have been doing it for years. I don't show upfront interest though. Only if she shows interest first, otherwise I'm the guy being social and talking to everyone. I was just pointing out that your reply is missing specifics. So to summarize, unless a man gives a compliment right on hello "he's pretending to be a friend"? Btw this is the kind of extreme moralizing language I was pointing out in the other …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:51 AM
3	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more It's kind of interesting to note though. They'll write essays upon essays upon essays of vagueness, but never give specifics. Its been like this forever. And they only give specifics when quoting negatives. Ironically different women will quote different things as negatives. But as a man the only specifics you ever get from women are "never do x", and never "do y instead". The instead is always vague. Because women quote different things as negatives there is literally no possible move you can m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:35 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Basically. It's generally a feminist trait to claim whatever owns/or belittles a male poster most. Even if it means saying completely opposite things on different days. If they want to own a guy complaining that women are too passive in dating and get dates by just existing, they will tell him that women put on a ton of effort in their clothing and makeup to get dates and get approached and asked out and to get guys to make moves. In another situation where they want to "own" a different guy the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:29 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You mentioned getting contradictory advice from men. But I doubt they used the kind of extreme, morally loaded language I'm talking about. I doubt their advice implied massive CHARACTER FLAWS and MORAL FAILINGS if you don't follow it. The issue isn't just contradiction - it's the severity of the moral condemnation attached to BOTH sides of the contradiction: 'Guys who pretend to be friends and hide their interest are the worst kind of predators' vs 'Men who hit on you right away just see you as …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 08:06 AM
1	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more So you admit you do it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:46 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more The manospherian guys are bullying women too. Two wrong don't make a right. I'm glad you brought up the manospherian podcasters because they're a good example. Do you think it's right when they do it? I don't. I think it's wrong when they do it and it's wrong when women do it. Difference is manospherian podcasters are 0.0001% of male population, but most women give their advice/opinion in the same way as manospherian podcasters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:40 AM
3	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Nah you're just making excuses for women trying to bully guys into their own preference. It's an instinct left over from when we lived in small tribes. Women would shame men into whatever their preference was by attaching morality to it. It's not true that people attach morality to this extent. Like if I say I prefer pizza over hamburger, I will not claim that EVERYONE prefers pizza. But this is what we see with women's advice online. It always pretends to speak for all other women. Analogue (th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:24 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more You missed the point. If women simply stated it as a personal preference, that would be fine. 1) The main migraine inducing issue for men is that when women give advice they frame it as a UNIVERSAL moral principle. 2) They frame it in such a way that it is the CORRECT WAY, implying MORALITY. Like it is WRONG and you're a bad person if you do x, do y instead. And then another woman is like you're not a real man unless you do x. They don't say "I prefer being approached in a club over the mall", t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:12 AM
5	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Can you provide anything specific though? What does "being honest with your intentions from the get go" ACTUALLY look like. Obviously you don't mean "Hey I'm only interacting with you because I want to get into your pants". So what do you mean, PRECISELY?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:02 AM
3	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more His point with the quotes is that women on here give guys conflicting advice, not that both quotes are coming from the same woman. Buth BOTH women are PRETENDING to speak for ALL women. You have to realize that it's super paralyzing and confusing to guys when women tell them OPPOSITE things. How do they know who they are supposed to listen to? And both (each) woman will communicate HER claim as if she speaks for ALL women, as if it were a UNIVERSAL rule. Not a preference of hers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 07:00 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more Do you have any specific examples of way to make it obvious you find her attractive without being creepy? Otherwise this is kind of super vague and totally unhelpful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:57 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more The irony here is that a female mod was arguing the opposite with us the other day. That apparently EVERY guy can and does sexualize conversations, in fact that's how ALL relationships start. We were trying to explain that MOST guys are deadly afraid of sexualizing conversations for fear of being creepy, and that's most players, but she assured us that EVERY SINGLE relationship in the west starts with sexual banter. EVERY SINGLE one. Guys brains are exploding when seeing blue pill women saying O…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:54 AM
2	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more It would help if women respected these guys. Guys who don't sexualize are seen as weak and not real men, BY women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:50 AM
10	Some guys really need to sexualize interactions with women more The whole catch22 of this is women's lack of empathy. If you didn't master sexualizing by end of high school, you are deemed creepy when you do it awkwardly. It's almost like you're punished for daring having had other priorities in high school. The catch 22 is that in order to do it well (in a way that's deemed sexy and not creepy), you need experience. But you're not allowed to get that experience if you're creepy, which you will be if you don't have the experience. Massive catch 22.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:07 AM
3	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality Thank you for clarifying - this is EXACTLY what I've been arguing this entire thread. You're absolutely right: romantic escalation requires taking risks and moving things forward, and historically men have carried 100% of that burden while women just accepted or rejected. Now men are saying 'if you won't take turns escalating, I'm out.' Hence women crying on TikTok wondering why men show brief interest then disappear - they're still expecting men to do ALL the forward movement while they just pa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 08:01 PM
3	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality Let's remember what started this ENTIRE debate. I said: 'plenty of women got into relationships without flirting, merely by ACCEPTING moves instead of initiating them" This entire thing was about ROMANTIC ESCALATION (i.e. moves) Your response? 'There is no relationship in the western world where women do not flirt.' THAT'S what we've been arguing about. Not whether women 'mutually engage' or 'ping pong.' Whether women can get into relationships by simply ACCEPTING OR REJECTING men's moves withou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 07:41 PM
3	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality Here's the refined and formatted response: "You're deliberately misrepresenting the argument. We're ONLY talking about FIRST kiss, FIRST touch, FIRST sex. Nobody said women are lifeless dolls. We said they participate physically without flirting beforehand. Here's reality: Women get wild and flirty with regular guys too - BUT ONLY AFTER first intimacy. Until that barrier is broken, they just reciprocate. And since most guys aren't fuckboys who smoothly sexualize conversations, there's nothing se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 07:30 PM
3	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality 'Band kids and theatre kids' - there it is. You're using the horniest 5% as your model for all male behavior. Reality check from actual data: 45% of men 18-25 have NEVER asked a woman out in person. Not once. 59% of single young men haven't asked anyone out in the past YEAR 81.8% haven't even tried in the past MONTH 27% of men under 30 are still virgins Now explain the math to me: If all these men are confidently calling women 'sexy' and flirting... why are virginity rates at historic highs? Why…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 07:00 PM
6	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality Hold up. You're claiming STEM nerds call women SEXY before they've even kissed? During the getting-to-know-you phase? This is pure gaslighting. Average nerdy guys are terrified of saying anything sexual before there's established mutual interest. They're asking about shared interests and suggesting study dates, not dropping 'hey sexy' lines to women they're not even dating yet. That's the most detached-from-reality claim you've made yet. Here's reality: Most men in the INITIAL stages (before fir…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 06:36 PM
7	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality He calls her sexy' - you just proved my point. You think that's how men approach? That's pure fuckboy game. Most guys have NEVER called a woman 'sexy' before they've even kissed. Most men just have normal conversations, then ask 'want to grab coffee sometime?' No flirting, no 'hey sexy,' no game. Just straightforward interest. You've exclusively dated players who run explicit sexual game before they've even hooked up, so you think that's normal. It's not. The average guy makes conversation, mayb…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 06:10 PM
4	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality You're creating a false binary to strawman the argument. In your world, either women are actively flirting OR men are forcing themselves on uninterested women. Here's the option you're deliberately ignoring: Women who ARE interested, who DO want the guy, who DO consent to everything - but never make a single move themselves. They just say yes. She's attracted but waits for him to approach (she might make herself easier to approach, but that's availability, not flirting) She wants him to ask her …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 05:42 PM
8	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality Here's what you're missing: most women CAN become flirty - when they're with a guy who knows how to create that dynamic. Fuckboys, players, naturals - they bring out the flirt in women. That's probably your entire dating experience. But here's the reality check: most guys don't have that skill. They can't create that flirty vibe. They approach straightforward, have normal conversations, and make their moves based on basic receptiveness. And 'teenagers send sexy pics'? Lmao. Most guys have NEVER …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 05:25 PM
6	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality You're purposely conflating social effort with romantic effort to muddy the waters. Nice manipulation tactic, but let's clarify: Social effort: Having a conversation, responding to questions, laughing at jokes, being friendly. Romantic effort: Flirting, initiating touch, suggesting dates, escalating intimacy, making moves. These are two completely different tracks. A woman can be putting in 100% social effort (engaged conversation) while putting in 0% romantic effort (never making a single move)…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 05:19 PM
6	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality You're telling me every single relationship in America involved active flirting to start? Come on. For most men, the standard experience is exactly what OP described - they initiate, escalate, and read basic receptiveness. Not flirty banter. Just 'is she engaged in this conversation? Cool, I'll roll the dice and ask her out.' Sure, experienced players and natural flirts can draw out flirty behavior from most women - they know how to create that dynamic. But here's the thing: you're clearly movin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 04:33 PM
10	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality There's a difference between merely "not ignoring you and accepting your advances" VS ACTUALLY moving the interaction forward. Simply allowing advances and having a friendly conversation isn't putting in equal effort (in the romantic sense). In most cases guys do all the romantic effort, women just allow it. Completely ridiculous to refer to mere receptivity as effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 03:45 PM
12	The Hidden New Dating Norm: Equality Nah, plenty of women got into relationships without flirting, merely by "allowing" increasing levels of escalation. Some dare even say most women were/are like this, passive acceptors/rejectors of moves instead of making moves on their own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 03:42 PM
1	Are young men failing at dating because they aren't dedicating enough time and effort to it? Yes. And women underestimate how much effort it is. It's probably thousands of hours of rejections to get to a level of calibration that women think of as normal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/25 04:37 PM
3	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. You're trying to complicate something simple. It's not about hypothetical band guys or sports teams - it's about who she treated as a sexual being vs who she desexualized. Here's the key: Even high count guys she DIDN'T hook up with still got treated as sexual beings. They got flirty energy, playful banter, acknowledgment they were men with desires. She might say 'not my type' but never 'ew, how dare you flirt.' The excluded guys? Different story: - 'Why does everything have to be about sex? Eww…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/25 07:18 AM
1	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. Wait, you dug through a FOUR DAY OLD thread to argue about preferences that 'don't matter'? That's not stumbling into an active discussion. That's actively hunting for days-old conversations about men having standards. Seven feminists now, including one so invested she's excavating half-week old threads to tell men they're wrong. But sure, these men's preferences totally don't matter... while you're literally time-traveling through Reddit to argue about them. The effort reveals the panic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/25 07:10 PM
1	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. You actually stumbled onto the perfect analogy with your nerd story. Let me fix it: Imagine the popular kids excluded you from every party, mocked you, told you 'we don't hang with nerds like you.' Then after college, when they need jobs, they suddenly show up asking for corporate connections. 'We've matured! We don't care about popularity anymore!' Would you help them? Or would you think 'You excluded me when it was fun, now you want my help when you need something?' That's EXACTLY what these m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/25 06:19 PM
1	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. Interesting pivot to religion and honor killings when we're discussing dating preferences in 2025. You say 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander' - EXACTLY. Women excluded men from casual sex? Men exclude those women from commitment. Equal standards, which you claim to support. 'These men would've fucked as many girls as they could' - But they COULDN'T. That's the whole point. Only 24-34% of young men even participate in hookup culture. They were excluded, told 'I don't do that,' whi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/25 06:13 PM
2	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. You're right about one thing - some guys do bitch about it. But here's what you're missing: The VAST MAJORITY of these men just quietly exclude high count women from their dating pool. No drama, no insults, just a quiet 'no thanks' and they move on. Just like most women quietly excluded them from casual sex without making a scene. But look at this thread. One explanation of why these men feel this way, and SIX feminists pile on. Downvote brigades. Racism comparisons. Misogyny accusations. Who's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/25 05:30 PM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Thank you for answering. I've honestly not seen people say this for any and every type of breakup. But I don't disbelieve you as I don't follow reddit or online spaces much, so maybe it is a thing. I've personally only seen the "you should have chosen better" when a woman gets dumped after the guy used her for a little bit of sex. Which is why I made that assumption that this is what we're talking about (pump & dump or situationships)	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/25 01:31 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? No insulting ai slop. Nor am I seeking to debate anything I am genuinely curious what these other issues are. The question keeps it vague, so we all guessed wrong. It would be helpful to everyone if we knew what other issues you are asking about, aside from the ones we wrongly assumed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 10:09 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I'm genuinely curious - what broader issues do you mean? I noticed you're telling everyone they misunderstood, but you never specified what issues you meant. We all had to guess because your question was vague. In my experience, 'you should have chosen better' is specifically used for: - Pump and dump situations - Cheating - Narcissists/abusers - Men who lied about wanting relationships What other scenarios would prompt 'you should have chosen better'? Because I can't think of any beyond the pla…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 09:57 PM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? That is true and a good point yes. Agree on all counts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 08:14 PM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? She's trying to exit the debate by nitpicking while avoiding the core argument. Here's what's happening: The Deflection She seized on your simplified example (where 8 men make 0 approaches) to avoid addressing the actual data you provided earlier: 29% never approach, 27% haven't in over a year, 45% of young men have never approached. She's pretending you claimed 80% never approach when you were using a simplified illustration. The AI Cope "I had an AI analyze your response" followed by "I don't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 02:59 PM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I had an AI bot analyze your response: Her Complete Mathematical Illiteracy She writes "2 men approaching 50 women each doesn't mean 80% of women's experiences are with those 2 men" - which is EXACTLY what it means. If 2 men make 100 approaches while 8 men make 0, then 100% of approaches come from those 2 men. This is basic arithmetic she's failing. Then her "80 dates" example: "1 man dates 80 women, but if those women also date 3 other men each..." She thinks this disproves concentration when i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 02:45 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Note: for anyone reading this far. I did not delete the next 2 (last 2 comments). Mods did. It was me asking ai to comment on her math claims. 'That's not what I asked' You asked how women can choose better to avoid situations where they're told 'you should have chosen better.' That only happens when relationships go badly. So yes, this is about avoiding bad outcomes. 'You have zero insight into women's experiences' But this is about men, not women. You're not a man and can't speak to what men a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 01:02 PM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? It is a flaw in logic to say that most men approach if you get approached most days. Most Germans have blue eyes, therefore most people who have blue eyes are German.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 12:49 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? 'Players have not dominated my experience' That's because you don't recognize them AS players. You think they're just 'normal confident men.' You're committing a basic logical error: 'Most moves made on me are smooth and quick' ≠ 'Most men make smooth, quick moves and don't need a boatload of encouragement" Just like: 'All Germans are Europeans' ≠ 'Most Europeans are German' If 5% of men make 95% of moves, then most moves come from players. But you've labeled them 'normal' because that's all you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 12:15 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? 'Awkwardness is not normal' Let me break this down: Awkwardness while socializing? Not normal. AGREED. Awkwardness (and hesitation) when risking romantic rejection? VERY normal for most men. But here's the key: From YOUR perspective, awkward moves seem abnormal because most moves made ON YOU come from men who aren't awkward about making moves. Do you understand the difference between: 'It's not normal to be approached by awkward men' (your experience) 'It's normal for most men to be awkward maki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 11:35 AM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I asked perplexity if there are alternatives that show most guys approach: Is There Evidence That More Men Approach More Often? No major study contradicts the finding that a large proportion of young men rarely or never approach women in real life. While some older or anecdotal sources suggest that men are traditionally expected to make the first move, recent large-scale surveys consistently show a decline in real-life approaches, especially among younger men. There is no robust, recent, large-s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 08:35 AM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? You dismiss the study? Fine. You could provide an alternative, but you can't, since it doesn't exist. How about 20 years of me working directly with men on dating? Or Matthew Hussey - one of the most famous dating coaches FOR WOMEN - explaining this exact phenomenon? I linked you to his video from 10 years ago where he tells women: 'A small percentage of men are doing most of the approaches.' This isn't new or controversial. Every dating coach knows this. Every man knows this. But you're so deep…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 08:31 AM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Let me destroy your fantasy with actual data. Recent research (Date Psychology, January 2025) found: 29% of men (overall) have NEVER approached a woman in person 27% haven't approached in over a year For men 18-25: 45% have never approached, ever Only 20% of men make the majority of approaches So when you say 'lots of women are approached by attractive good men every day' - those 'good men' are the same 20% approaching everyone. The other 80% either never approach or do it once a year. 'Maybe th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 07:11 AM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? That's EXACTLY my point. You have a warped view of what's 'normal' because you only see who approaches YOU. When a guy approaches you confidently, you think 'normal guy showing interest.' What you DON'T see: He also approached 20 other women that week. Meanwhile, 50 guys who found you attractive never made a move. We men see the FULL picture: Which guys approach constantly (players) Which guys rarely approach (most men) The actual ratio (maybe 5% doing 95% of approaches) You only see the END res…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 06:09 AM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? https://youtu.be/C9ONWHXCsrk?si=Z-3pD_S58MG5phiV	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 05:43 AM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I would actually. Over 20 years experience with this stuff. Normal men just don't make many moves. Guys obssed with getting laid literally do it 1000x more often	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 05:39 AM
8	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? You accuse me of false dichotomies, then say that unless men move 'without hesitation creating instant sparks' they must be men who 'turn into shy toddlers' around women. That's the actual false dichotomy here. Reality: Most men fall between these extremes. They can talk to women fine but get nervous showing ROMANTIC interest. Not 'shy toddlers,' just normal human nervousness when risking rejection. You're conflating different things. Growing up in co-ed spaces creates comfort with women as PEOP…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 05:25 AM
3	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? They do. But nowhere near the volume of players and narcissists etc	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 04:58 AM
1	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Wait, I'm confused. Are you on the wrong thread? OP posted about women getting burned by men and being told they 'chose poorly.' What does your son's normal relationships have to do with that? Is your son the type of guy women regret dating? The type where friends say 'you should have seen the red flags'? No? Then how is he relevant? Or are you trying to say 'normal relationships exist'? No shit. Some women are smart and choose well-adjusted guys like your son. Most women only OCCASIONALLY stumb…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 08:25 PM
3	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I specifically wrote 'confidence (in a flirting/dating/romantic context)' and you immediately started talking about 4-year-olds playing together. Classic. You know how I know you're a woman without seeing your tag? Because NO man in history has ever conflated general social confidence with romantic confidence. Why? Because we've LIVED the difference. A guy can be: CEO of a company Life of the party with friends Great with his sister's friends Amazing public speaker And STILL freeze up trying to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 06:11 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Dude... that's LITERALLY what I've been saying this entire thread. Me: 'Women overlook 95% of good men because those men don't show interest in the way women expect' You: 'I disagree, I think women overlook good men' ??? Are you actually reading or just arguing to argue? YES, women have access to tons of good men. They just don't KNOW it because those men either: Never show interest (paralyzed by 'don't be creepy' messaging) Show interest awkwardly (no practice) and get rejected Get filtered out…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:27 PM
10	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? "Why can't a good man approach lots of women??" He can, nothing is physically stopping him from doing that. Societally however? Everything. Good men have empathy. They CARE about not making women uncomfortable. So when feminists scream that unwanted approaches are harassment, that showing interest is predatory - good men LISTEN. Know who doesn't give a fuck? Narcissists. Players. Psychopaths. Result: Men with empathy: Approach rarely, carefully, awkwardly Men without empathy: Approach constantly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:25 PM
8	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Agreed. That's my actual point. The only way things can change is if: a) Women don't punish guys for being nervous/akward (non-smooth) b) Women do the approaching Otherwise we have a system where women literally filter out good men, and then complain why they always end up with a narcissist. Yet they created a system that filters out good guys (who are 90% of the population, but get filtered out)	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:21 PM
12	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? No, but there's a MASSIVE numbers game you're ignoring. Good men CAN show interest first. But how often? Good guy: Approaches maybe 2-3 women per YEAR (doesn't want to be 'that guy') Player: Approaches 2-3 women per DAY (doesn't give a fuck) So statistically, who's showing interest in any given woman? Plus, when good men DO show interest, it's usually awkward because they have NO PRACTICE. She rejects the awkwardness. Player shows interest smoothly because he's done it 500 times. She feels 'chem…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:17 PM
14	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Just do the math - Average good guy: Makes 2 awkward approaches per year - Players/narcissists: Make 30+ smooth approaches per week For every 1000 approaches women get, 990+ are from players. The 10 from good guys get rejected for being 'awkward.' Good men exist - they just don't approach. Why? They're terrified of being 'creepy.' Meanwhile narcissists approach constantly because they don't give a fuck about boundaries. Women demand 'confidence' and 'spark'? Only players have enough practice to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:10 PM
5	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? A good example that the guy is a fun date and she feels "instant spark" with him. Or how confident he is with her... Women often say it is indicative of the person being successful and having strong character in general, but that's just a rationalization. Confidence (in a flirting/dating/romantic context) correlates to nothing else except that the guy spent a lot of time practicing on a lot of women. The ability to provide a good fun date correlates to nothing in terms of overall character excep…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:00 PM
18	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? Your question reveals the real problem: women don't realize how artificially limited their dating pool is. You're choosing from maybe 5% of men who find you attractive - only those confident enough to show interest despite being told it's 'creepy.' The other 95% of interested men stay silent, paralyzed by feminist messaging about respecting boundaries. They're shit scared about not doing it right and being creepy... so the wait for the perfect sign that she'll welcome the move, but that sign nev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 04:56 PM
11	What ways do you condone women using to choose better? I was going to say something similar, but you came in first. But this has to be expanded. This is what it is essentially... Women prioritizing cavewoman criteria.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 04:55 PM
1	Love and sex is not a right "Gentlemen watching this trainwreck: She said: 'There is a distinct difference between natural chemistry and something created' LMAO. 'Natural' chemistry is just a guy who can communicate romantic interest without being awkward. Know why he's not awkward? He already learned timing and calibration through experience with OTHER women. She gets the polished version and thinks he was born that way. Adorable. She said: 'You are now singing a very different tune' Watch how the phrasing had to evolve b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 09:46 AM
1	Love and sex is not a right I wasn't responding to you, dear. You've demonstrated a total inability to read words on a screen. I'm talking to any men watching this exchange from the sidelines. Anyway, back to the men watching: Notice what just happened. She demonstrated EXACTLY the gaslighting that keeps men confused and failing: HER POSITION: Any intentional romantic escalation = "forcing" Learning to flirt = sexual harassment waiting to happen Expressing romantic interest = "only wanting sex" Men should just be polite fr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 08:05 AM
1	Love and sex is not a right And gentlemen watching from the sidelines, notice this perfect demonstration: ORIGINAL THREAD: Men aren't owed sex and love ME: Correct. They're just owed the TRUTH about how romantic coupling works, not gaslighting CHALLENGER: Proceeds to gaslight for 20+ posts Claims romance "just happens naturally" without intention Believes one day with the "right woman" things will automagically evolve into romantic coupling Thinks it will happen smoothly even if the man has ZERO intentional experience IN H…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 07:07 AM
1	Love and sex is not a right DUDE... W...T...F... You're literally clinically obsessed with 'guys who are obsessed with sex' to the point you hallucinate them EVERYWHERE. I mention romantic chemistry? You hear 'SEX!' I say escalate the vibe? You hear 'DICK!' I explain romantic interest? You hear 'JUST WANTS TO FUCK!' W...T...F The mere mention of romantic moves or ANY level of romantic intention makes you imagine some extreme shit like 'ahhhh he only wants to put his dick in as many holes as possible!' SERIOUSLY... WHAT THE…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 05:35 AM
7	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. I don't know, I have a life outside of reddit so I can't comment on everything ever said on reddit, just the thing I personally replied to. Someone was pointing out that high count guys don't mind high count girls (this is true). A feminist made a very disparaging interpretation about why low count men don't want to date high count women. I gave an alternate less insulting interpretation. THAT'S IT. On the same note. Any time I've seen guys post about it, it's in reaction to all the disparaging …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 06:23 PM
7	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. Dude, DID YOU EVEN READ the thread you're responding to? I personally don't care about a woman's count, it's not about me We are discussing guys who don't want to, and DON'T They already don't. They already apply your suggestion. The thread is about guys WHO DON'T, THEY ALREADY don't. The entire thread is about guys who reject such girls, and GO FOR lower count girls. You: So why don't they just go for lower count girls (FACEPALM)	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 06:11 PM
2	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. You're misunderstanding - I'm not one of these excluded guys. I'm explaining why THEY feel this way, and calling it 'misogyny' is missing the point entirely. These men aren't rejecting high count women because they hate women. They're rejecting them because those women were part of a system that excluded them. Let me illustrate: Woman: 'I don't do hookups' (to 70% of men) Also woman: actively hooking up with the top 20% Years later: 'Ready for something serious with a stable guy!' Excluded guy: …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 03:10 PM
6	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. Interesting progression. When I explained the 'club' dynamic: - Feminist 1: 'How can he tell?' (I explained - he was IN the club) - Feminist 2: 'This doesn't happen!' (I showed the math proves it does) - Feminist 3: 'We aren't trying to convince anyone!' (While actively arguing) - Feminist 4 (You): 'Having standards is like RACISM' The escalation is telling. You've gone from denying the dynamic exists to comparing it to racial discrimination. Why? Because you guys know I'm right. 'Undermining th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 02:44 PM
7	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. I'm not. Where have you seen me do that? I merely replied why guys with lower body counts don't like it when they discover their girlfriend had a higher body count. I was talking in third person. You can understand how people who aren't you think without being them, it's called empathy. Try it some time. Furthermore, even within that group only SOME shame women. Not all. Some low count guys both reject and shame such women. Some just prefer not to date them. Preferences arent shaming. And yes, s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 11:34 AM
1	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. Ah, the classic 'we aren't' gaslight. Let's use some math then. Studies show only 24-34% of young men get casual sex, while the top 20% of men get 80% of it. That leaves millions of men who were excluded from the 'fun years.' If you're NOT trying to convince these excluded men to accept high count women, then why are you here arguing about it? Why does every feminist blog, magazine, and forum obsess over 'body count shouldn't matter' and 'men are insecure'? The math is brutal: There aren't enoug…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 11:26 AM
2	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. If that were true (it's not, because there are more women in the club than men), why are you and other feminists like you so obsessed with trying to convince guys that they should want ex club members? Like if supposedly these girls all pair up with former fboys, then problem solved. What's your motivation to tell guys they should accept ex f-girls as spouses? It doesn't happen right? Why do you care about something that supposedly doesn't happen. Supposedly all ex f-girls settle down with an ex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 10:57 AM
5	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. You're missing the fundamental dynamic here. It's not about being 'self-assured' - it's about whether you were part of the casual sex club or not. During their 'fun years,' women don't randomly hook up. There's a clear distinction between guys who are allowed to play the casual sex game and guys who are gaslit and told 'i don't do things like that' The high count guy doesn't worry because he WAS in the club. He was getting chosen for hookups. He knows he's not being settled for because women lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 08:57 AM
2	Love and sex is not a right 2/ 'When that happens you don't have to try and create anything' - YOUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE IS MAKING YOU BLIND HERE. This LIE has created more 40-year-old virgins and incels than anything else on the planet. Guys don't have the OPTION to wait for things to 'just happen.' When chemistry seems 'natural,' it's because a MAN skillfully created sexual tension. Women's RETROACTIVE interpretation is 'oh it just happened' - NO, a guy doing it SMOOTHLY (which requires EXPERIENCE) makes it LOOK effortless. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 08:36 AM
2	Love and sex is not a right 1/ Do you really not understand the difference between SEXUALITY and SEX? I've explained this 50 times and you keep pretending I'm talking about getting my dick sucked. Either you're deliberately misrepresenting my argument or you genuinely can't comprehend the distinction. You just posted the definition of dating and it proves MY point. Notice it says 'romantic interest'? You know what separates romantic interest from friendship? SEXUAL ENERGY. Without it, you're just 'going to restaurants and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 08:35 AM
2	Love and sex is not a right "'Most people who meet someone they genuinely like don't have issues' - Spoken like someone who doesn't understand the typical male experience of having to create attraction from nothing. You have SURVIVORSHIP BIAS. The men who successfully 'express interest' - the ones you probably think of as 'normal' - they had to PRACTICE too. They approached women, expressed sexuality, crudely at first, got rejected, learned what works, developed confidence. Maybe they stopped at 15 makeouts while players w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 06:57 AM
2	Love and sex is not a right So you're a woman lecturing men about the male dating experience. Classic. 'I listen to young women complain about sex obsessed men' - But they're NOT complaining when attractive, calibrated guys flirt with them, are they? Those guys express even MORE sexuality than the 'creeps' you're talking about. The difference? They learned to express it smoothly. Here's what you don't understand: When you tell men to suppress their sexuality and 'build connections' for months, they don't stop wanting sex. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 05:46 AM
3	Love and sex is not a right Wait... I just figured it out. You're not arguing against me - you're defending your own prison. You've been so programmed to fear your sexuality that you think ANY expression of it equals harassment. You can't imagine the space between 'completely desexualized' and 'predator' because you've never learned to navigate it. There's an entire spectrum of calibrated sexuality - reading her responses, escalating when she's receptive, pulling back when she's not, creating tension through subtlety. But …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 05:14 AM
9	Men are angry about the current dating dynamics because they don't want to feel cucked. That is true, however it doesn't contradict what the OP wrote about. A high partner count guy doesn't mind a high count woman because she's not using him as a fallback option. He's never been the type of guy that women lie to and say 'i don't do hookups', in fact he was the guy that women like her hooked up while lying to the backup future provider and making him wait. He doesn't have that "this girl put guys like me in the fallback position so she can bang the hot guys, and now that she wants t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 05:02 AM
5	Love and sex is not a right You keep deliberately conflating SEXUALITY with SEX to avoid the real argument. This was never about getting laid - it's about sexual ENERGY. Flirting IS sexuality. Creating tension IS sexuality. That spark when your eyes meet IS sexuality. The electricity when you touch her hand IS sexuality. None of that is sex, but ALL of it is sexual energy. The 'good guys' were taught to suppress ALL of this. Not just sex - but the entire spectrum of sexual expression. No flirting (that's 'objectifying'). N…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/25 04:29 AM
5	Love and sex is not a right 'Beautiful attractive women with self esteem looking for actual relationships' - Yeah, they go for guys who create sexual tension. The difference between those guys and the warehouse dwellers? Sexual energy from the start. 'If you were successful you wouldn't be here' - So people who figured something out can't warn others about the lie? Should people who escaped MLMs stay quiet? Your logic is garbage. Here's what's really happening: You NEED us to be bitter virgins because acknowledging that gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 08:52 PM
–	Love and sex is not a right Oh wow love it. You're doing great work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 12:18 PM
–	Love and sex is not a right They just double down and gaslight about the gaslighting. I've been observing this stuff for 20 years and it's now come full circle. I don't know if you know the latest trend in spaces like these... But now they gaslight us that the gaslighting never happened. For example we had 25 years of feminists publishing articles telling guys not to approach. And when guys say the reason they don't approach is because feminist told us it's evil... Feminists now say we never said that. But the original art…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 12:13 PM
6	Love and sex is not a right Also. You keep trying to make this about me personally, but I'm talking in past tense. I figured out the game (beat the scam) like 15 years ago. I learned to approach, flirt, and sexualize interactions. That's precisely WHY I can speak on this with clarity. I've been on both sides. I followed the 'good guy' script and got nothing. Then I learned what actually works - being sexually confident, escalating, not apologizing for my desires (wanting to get some) - and suddenly women were interested. M…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 08:17 AM
7	Love and sex is not a right Nice try, but you just proved my entire point while trying to dodge it. You immediately jumped to 'you just want to get your dick wet' - and there's the gaslighting in action. You know what's funny? Guys who get shamed for wanting sex end up with repressed sexuality and can't flirt. Meanwhile, guys who are unashamedly sexual get both sex AND relationships. The dudes who internalize that it's 'wrong' to desire women sexually? They get neither. They can't create attraction because they've been pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 08:11 AM
–	Love and sex is not a right Oh, you want specifics? Let's fucking go. 'Just be yourself' - terrible advice if 'yourself' doesn't include sexual swag, while guys putting on confident sexual personas clean up 'Women want a pleasant, stable guy who respects them' - weird how the guys racking up body counts are usually neither pleasant nor respectful, just hot and pushy enough to know when she's actually into it 'Focus on your career and financial stability' - while broke dudes with jawlines and game are balls deep in your fut…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 06:11 AM
11	Love and sex is not a right This is a purposeful distortion of what people complain about. Not a single person has ever said they're entitled to love or sex from society. What people do say (and gets maliciously twisted), is that they have been GASLIT for profit, and they feel they are entitled to TRUTH. Society gaslights an entire swath of the male population about how getting sex and love works in order to extract more work and resources out of them. When they see that the guys who get laid the most aren't following the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/25 07:17 PM
8	Women dont view having access to causal sex as a benefit There's actually an ex pua who built his entire dating system around pointing this out. That he has way more sex and much better sex than pickup artists and players, simply because he found out he has better returns if he focused on giving women great sex, so overall it's a ton of repeat business. Versus pickup artists who don't get as much repeat business and are obsessed with the vanity metric of lifetime body count. As opposed to lifetime great sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/25 02:13 PM
1	Women dont view having access to causal sex as a benefit That does actually happen. There are dating coaches where this is their entire method. Like build harems by being good in bed. So their focus is build a roster by getting better at retention, as opposed to the pickup artist strategy of 'keep having more and more one night stands until some or them become repeats" Their method is that if you're great in bed and care about her pleasure you'll get way more sex OVERALL than players and pickup artistS who put all their effort at the top of the funnel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/25 02:08 PM
1	Women dont view having access to causal sex as a benefit But the only reason they don't value it is precisely because it's so easily available to them. Casual sex is better than nothing when otherwise you can get nothing. This is true for women as well. Except for most women unlike most men, this is a cyclical/phase type thing. There are phases or days on which they want anything and even casual is better than nothing. Except because they can always get casual they don't know what they would feel like if they couldn't EVEN get that. AND WHY are we so …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/25 02:01 PM
1	Telling men to have more friendships with woman is misleading because women treat friendships and dating the same Yes, no, kinda. You're wrong and right in some ways, but also wrong. I have tons of hot female friends now. Best thing I did for my dating life. The part that you're right about is that they expect you to be cool to be around. That part is mutual to guys they want to bang. But here's the fun part. The threshold is much lower. Female friendships are the perfect way to practice being a cooler, more socially "tuned in" guy. The issue with dating has always been that unless you figured it out in hig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/25 05:20 PM
2	Men are not attracted to young women because they are "naive and easy to manipulate" but mainly because they are thinner and have nicer skin. If you are a woman and you take care of yourself, you can post-pone "hitting the wall" and remain attractive even into your early 40s. Yep. This is easily proven by the fact that older guys don't pursue out of shape overweight 20 year olds. If it really were driven by "wanting someone easy to control and manipulate", why would this be the case. In fact when I talk to male friends, the most common gripe is: man why do I have to go younger to have more options of a fit, in shape date. Like it's annoying when you notice most of the fit, in shape options are younger then you'd like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/25 02:55 PM
1	CMV: Consent is sexy Incorrect. You don't develop flirting skills by just talking to people if you're not going on dates. Flirting is literally a subtle way of communicating that you already go on dates. You can't fake it. You start dating and making moves first, and then you find that you start developing flirting skills and find yourself flirting with new people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 07:10 AM
1	CMV: Consent is sexy What I'm saying is that you can't practice rizz if you're not going on dates. You can get dates without having rizz. The only thing rizz does is increase batting averages and soften rejection. You still have to ask girls out rizz or not. The best way to develop riz is go on a lot of dates, make moves, and the rizz will come.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 07:01 AM
2	CMV: Consent is sexy Nah that's mainstream feminism. Theyve lobbied to make it mandatory training in literally every campus and institution on the planet. These aren't fringe online trolls. Feminists write entire PhDs and books about the idea and are dead set on making it a formal policy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:59 AM
0	CMV: Consent is sexy Let's not go that far. If a guy merely asks out 20-30 girls in a month he'll find his rizz raises enough to find himself acting cockier and rizzier. The issue is if he waits until he has rizz to start doing it. That's putting the cart in front of the horse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:56 AM
0	CMV: Consent is sexy Normal people don't. That's the point. We're pointing out that it's unrealistic. Feminists say that you have to verbalize at literally every step and never make a woman uncomfortable for even a microsecond (discomfort > war crimes). Truth is it's normal to misread some times, get a no sorry and move on. No big deal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:41 AM
0	CMV: Consent is sexy Yes, key word being "done right". And the only guys who can do it right are guys who are already smooth with women and can read moments so well that they don't even need lines. So it's a moot point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:36 AM
1	CMV: Consent is sexy My communication skills are why I meet tons of women. They're also how I dated tons of them - because unlike you, I learned to make moves and convert those conversations into something more than friendship. You're lecturing me about communication from the sidelines while I'm actually out here succeeding, in real life, actively. The irony of a married guy who's been off the market for years telling someone who's actively dating multiple attractive women that they need to 'work on communication' i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 06:00 AM
1	CMV: Consent is sexy The rest was easy' - yeah, because you waited for guys to make it non-platonic. That's the luxury of being a woman - you can focus on 'communication' and 'connection' because you're not the one expected to risk rejection at every step. Guys don't get to sit back and wait for things to 'click.' We're expected to make the move or nothing happens. Ever. You'll have ten great conversations, amazing connection, and she'll still end up with the guy who actually knew how to touch her arm, move closer, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 11:07 PM
1	CMV: Consent is sexy This backwards advice is EXACTLY what wasted years of my life back in the day. I spent forever trying to 'learn to flirt first' before making moves. Complete bullshit. You claim 'making a move means asking someone on a date or trying to kiss them' - wrong. Making moves includes EVERY escalation step: the hand on lower back, prolonged eye contact, sitting closer, subtle touches. ALL of these can be 'creepy' if misread, and you WILL misread some while learning. That's how you learn. Here's what ac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 10:38 PM
1	CMV: Consent is sexy Nice idealism. The real world progression doesn't work that way. You can't learn to flirt perfectly before you make your first move. In fact the way most people learn flirting is that they make akward moves in high school, and the gaps get naturally filled in with flirting. The only issue is guys who focused on other things and start learning later in life are given less leeway (akward moves are ok in high school but creepy beyond that). Like I can actually tell you've never actually tried to co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 09:03 PM
2	CMV: Consent is sexy The other point though, which you would know if you ever tried to teach in actual real life: the guy who can use these lines doesn't need these lines. When you get swag they come out of you naturally. That's the paradox. So saying "oh there are lines you can say", but the lines themselves can only be used by guys who don't even need to ask. What's the point of mentioning the lines if the only guys who can use them are guys who'd naturally use them anyway? No point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 08:07 PM
2	CMV: Consent is sexy That's the point though. You have to learn through trial and error, but the same feminists who came up with "enthusiastic verbal consent at every step" demonize all and any error. Fact is that a guy has to have some blunders here and there to learn. You just can't be given a method that lets you magically become smooth without annoying, or even making a couple women weirded out and even slightly uncomfortable. But literally all of the same people keep writing articles and making tiktoks about gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 08:05 PM
4	CMV: Consent is sexy It's so obvious you've never tested this in real life by giving it to akward guys. These lines said by a guy who isn't already highly sociosexually experienced would result in utter cringe. Like in order to even deliver these lines you need pretty good delivery, and ability to read the moment... in other words, you need to already be the guy who doesn't even need to do the "check verbally at every step" stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 07:36 PM
5	CMV: Consent is sexy You're forgetting that it's impossible for things to have even come this far without any prior moves and escalation. The feminists are saying you need to ask at every step, and misreading at any step is a horrible crime. Are you telling me you kept formal distance, never so much as brushed a shoulder nor even kissed... And then you talk like this out of nowhere? Obviously not. So how did you follow the feminist verbalizing model in all the previous steps? What about all the previous escalation a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 06:38 PM
17	CMV: Consent is sexy The thing you're missing is that a guy who has that level of acuity doesn't even have to verbalize. That's the whole irony. The whole idea of explicitly asking was invented for akward guys who aren't at that level. But when they do it's unsexy. The only guys who can pull off verbalizing without it being cringe are the very guys who don't even need it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 06:36 PM
1	Men, what's the worst thing that happened to you after asking a woman out? I've never visited a bar in my life. They literally don't exist in my country. We only have nightclubs and cafes. But thanks for playing. Obviously context changes things, but only whether they do it on hello or later. For example no woman will do an eye roll if you start a conversation in yoga class or running clubs or whatever. But they do other stuff later on, from what other posters have shared in this thread. It doesn't matter what the context is. A percentage of women will wreck noncharmin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 06:30 AM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? You're claiming 'can I kiss you?' makes women MORE attracted? Sure - masculine feminists might get excited by consent negotiations. This discussion is about the other 99% of women. You know the feminine ones that guys noticed were getting swept up by the rule breakers. Your whole premise is that attraction is fixed - either she likes you or doesn't. That's delusional. Everyone knows attraction changes based on behavior - humor increases it, neediness kills it, confidence builds it, awkwardness d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 10:06 PM
19	Men, what's the worst thing that happened to you after asking a woman out? Actually I was typing that and got a notification and it got destroyed. But I'll retype it again. The most common kind when approaching akwardly was a disgusted face like she's going to puke, shake her head violently and make a scene to make it clear to anyone watching that she's disgusted that I thought I could possibly start a conversation with. Making it absolutely clear and as visible as possible to onlookers. Once when approaching, I don't know if I even got first word out, she started scre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 09:45 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? You just contradicted yourself. You admit attraction isn't binary, then claim it should only go UP when men follow your advice. That's not how attraction works. Sexual tension is fragile. A woman at 70% attraction wants to be swept up in the moment, not asked permission like she's signing a form. Your 'can I kiss you?' breaks the spell. By your logic, if she really liked him, she'd get MORE turned on by bureaucratic consent negotiation. But we all know that's bullshit. Women get turned on by con…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 09:28 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? CAPS LOCK doesn't make you right. Attraction isn't binary - it exists on a spectrum and your advice only works if she's already at 100%. A woman who's 70% attracted is warming up, tension building, ready to be swept away. Then he asks 'can I kiss you?' and drops her to 40%. You just sank a ship that was sailing fine. This feminist insistence on waiting for 100% attraction creates incels. They wait forever for women to throw themselves at them - which only happens if you're a celebrity, in a porn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 09:22 PM
15	Men, what's the worst thing that happened to you after asking a woman out? There's a huge selection bias here. Most regular guys almost never ask women out. They wait for the rare woman who basically throws herself at them. So most of the actual approaching is done by players who learned young. When you ask for horror stories, you're hearing from the occasional regular guy who finally worked up the courage to approach someone but came across as awkward instead of smooth. A percentage of women are absolutely vicious to awkward guys making moves, while the exact same app…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 09:07 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? 'Can I kiss you?' Thanks for proving my point. That's exactly the antiseptic, passion-killing advice that creates incels. Watch how women actually respond to jocks who just go for it - pure desire, genuine passion. Then watch their polite rejection of the guy who stops mid-moment to ask permission. Women don't want contractual consent negotiations, they want men who create electricity. And there you go again with 'Twitter posts' - as if this messaging isn't everywhere. Schools, media, HR departm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 07:17 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? You're being deliberately obtuse. You know 'asking someone out' doesn't solve the problem. Guys see jocks hooking up constantly without formal dates, often in plain sight, no dates required - parties, dorms, casual hangouts that turn sexual. These men escalate physically, make bold moves, push through token resistance. They don't ask permission for every touch. Meanwhile, the rule-follower asks a girl to coffee, sits across from her making polite conversation, terrified to even touch her hand wi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 07:07 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? Not a feminist' but perfectly parroting their talking points and defending their ideology. Sure. And there's the gaslighting again - 'you chose to follow what you read online.' No, young men are taught this in schools, media, and society from childhood. It's not some obscure internet advice - it's the dominant cultural message about how men should interact with women. Notice how you frame it as 'not talking to women' - another euphemism. I talked to plenty of women. What I didn't do was escalate…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 06:59 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? Classic feminist tactic - make it personal when you're losing the argument. I figured this out 15 years ago, but I'm passionate because I remember the years your lies stole from me and see young men unnecessarily suffering. The bitter phase is when they first start figuring out something is wrong, during which phase you guys bully them. And notice your euphemism - 'socializing.' We're not talking about chatting at parties. We're talking about sexual escalation, showing desire, making moves, pers…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 05:55 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? Nice deflection. Cold approach, social circle, workplace - doesn't matter. The dynamic is the same: you taught men that showing sexual interest and escalating is predatory. Guys who 'get to know someone over time' still need to make moves eventually. But you've convinced decent men that expressing desire makes them creeps. So they stay in the friendzone forever, waiting for women to make the first move that never comes. Meanwhile, men who ignored your rules - whether cold approaching or in socia…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 05:36 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? This is desperate damage control. You can't admit the obvious: feminist dating advice filtered out every respectful man and left only the psychopaths. You taught decent men that approaching was predatory, escalating was assault, persistence was harassment. Only men who didn't care about your rules - actual misogynists and abusers - remained confident enough to pursue women normally. Now you're stuck with the consequences. The considerate men became paralyzed with anxiety while the predators kept…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 03:19 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? That's delusional. These guys can't even approach women because they've been so thoroughly programmed against assertiveness - but somehow they're secret wannabe abusers? They followed every feminist rule: Don't approach unless invited. Don't persist. Don't escalate without explicit permission. They became exactly what you said men should be - passive, deferential, sexually neutral. Now you claim their real problem is they want to be abusive? No - their problem is they believed your lies about ho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 03:01 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? You're proving my point. You call it 'poor treatment' when passive guys criticize the contradictions they see, but ignore actual poor treatment from sexually successful men. These rule-followers aren't abusing women - they're barely even approaching women. They followed feminist rules about consent and passivity to the letter. Their only 'crime' is pointing out that the men who ignored those rules are the ones in relationships. Meanwhile, genuinely abusive men who never cared about your rules co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 02:50 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? You're deflecting. Feminists created these 'bitter' men you're complaining about. These guys were taught that normal male assertiveness was predatory, that any persistence was harassment, that they needed explicit verbal consent for every move. So they followed the rules - waited for clear signals, never persisted, suppressed their sexuality to be 'good men.' Predictably, they got nowhere. Meanwhile, guys who ignored feminist dating advice - including actual misogynists - kept approaching with c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 02:39 PM
1	If women love misogynists, then why do so many men here struggle? It's simple. A guy who hits on women shamelessly gets laid. Many misogynists and psychopaths approach and hit on everything in sight and get laid a lot. This is why we say misogynists get laid. Guys who wait around for a woman to show him interest don't get laid (unless super attractive). Some of these guys get bitter seeing that much lower quality guys get laid... Feminists label said bitterness misogyny"	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 10:30 PM
1	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. What a convenient way to miss the point. The point is that it's a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny minority of men doing the vast majority of approaches. Most guys do zero, 1 or 2 approaches a year (we do have studies for this), and then a tiny fraction do hundreds or thousands of approaches a year. This is why as a woman you can be approached all the time, and we could still have a situation where most men approach. BOTH CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME if a tiny minority of men does a ton of approaches. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/25 01:17 PM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise Exactly. I think that's why she stopped responding when I pointed this out. The math isn't mathing. If everyone already knows (aside from the most outrageously basement dwelling autistic homeschoolers) why do women lie at all? Like why would you like and hide something that everyone already knows (supposedly). Makes 0% sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/25 11:03 AM
1	Approaching women who aren’t approachable Honestly when you have good vocal projection you'll find that it makes zero difference. Actually, the opposite. I've had the best things come out of the sets that looked most difficult. They seem to respond the best for some reason. But only if it's done in a high status way. Like imagine you have a winning lottery ticket and you're running after her to give her the winning lottery ticket she dropped. That kind of energy.	/r/seduction	07/06/25 07:41 AM
8	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. "Literally every woman told them" - simply not a fact We're literally on Reddit where every relationship/dating sub is filled with women telling men to 'be more emotionally available,' 'communicate better,' 'be respectful,' 'women want emotional connection.' Every day there are thousands of comments from women claiming they want nice guys who treat them well. You're gaslighting about gaslighting. On this very platform, women constantly tell men that being sexually aggressive is 'toxic' and that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:46 PM
17	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. We're reaching double-layers of gaslighting. When guys notice this stuff, they're told they're hallucinating it, and they must be incels. "It's not true that girls go for the jocks, bullies, chads, sexually agressive guys, girls just want a kind good guy". We now have a second layer of being gaslit about the gaslighting: "It's not true that women lied to you about what women go after, no woman lies about the well known fact that women go after bullies, chads, jocks, small-time criminals, narciss…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:42 PM
2	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. Ironically she keeps changing her story. In a debate with me today, her entire argument was "yes women lie, but it's your fault for believing them". Now it's that they don't lie. The thing with gaslighting, like all lying in generally is that the story keeps changing, and that is the case with OP, she can't keep a straight narrative, and her argumentation changes on who's challenging her on what. And her favorite method? Strawmanning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:39 PM
15	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. This entire post dodges the real issue: there's a curtain between the sexual in-group and everyone else, and women actively maintain different realities on each side. Every guy in the out-group grows up hearing women say they 'hate players,' 'need emotional connection,' 'want respect.' Meanwhile, behind the curtain, those same women are eagerly hooking up with guys who openly treat them as casual sex. The lie isn't about looks - though looks can get you through the curtain. I learned this person…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:32 PM
8	Society did not “lie” to you about what was and wasn’t attractive to women. You are not a “victim”. Shes strawmanning on purpose	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 03:03 PM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. Same thing with extra semantic steps. The behaviors you listed - not making enough eye contact, or doing too much), hesitating akwardly, etc - these ARE what awkwardness looks like. When someone is nervous or socially anxious, that's EXACTLY how it manifests. You're essentially saying 'we don't call awkwardness creepy, we just call all the symptoms of awkwardness creepy.' That's the SAME THING with extra steps. The original point stands: behaviors that stem from shyness and social awkwardness ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 01:55 PM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise Ok, since you've been making it needlessly personalized and doing the classic projections and assumptions stuff, I can share something personally. I actually lived both sides of this. Got obsessed with the gym, put on serious muscle, learned from mentors to be sexually aggressive. Finger banging girls after clubs, getting blown in bar bathrooms - the whole deal. Then I got injured, lost the physique, gained weight, and OVERNIGHT the same approach got me 'ewww I'm not that kind of girl,' 'I don't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 12:07 PM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise The nuance is this: young men are lied about the picking process. It's like being lied to about the LOCATION of the audition room of given the wrong script. They're not angry they didn't get the role. They're angry they were lied to about the location.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 11:51 AM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise Ok, so let us get this straight for the record. The only guys who are excluded from finger banging in bathrooms at 12 are antisocial autistic nerds. Everyone else is on it? I am just confirming this for everyone else reading.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 11:21 AM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise So you believe the average guy is privy to bathroom fingering at 12? You think this is normal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 11:04 AM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise You're literally describing the top 20% male experience and thinking it's universal. 'Why didn't you listen to other guys your age?' The average guys were hanging out with other average guys who got the same messaging and were equally gaslit and clueless. The guys fingering girls in bathrooms? That wasn't common knowledge - it was happening in a completely different social sphere that most guys weren't even aware EXISTED. You keep saying 'it was OBVIOUS what attracted women' - obvious to WHO? Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 10:29 AM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise You're literally proving my point. You've now shifted from 'nobody lied' to 'okay they lied but it's your fault for believing them as a child.' You keep ignoring that it wasn't just mothers and Disney - it was EVERY GIRL THEIR AGE saying the same thing. The girls in middle school and high school weren't saying 'be sexually aggressive,' they were saying 'ew, guys only want one thing' while rewarding exactly that behavior. And this fantasy that all boys had access to some secret masculine knowledg…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 10:00 AM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise Nice victim blaming. You're forgetting that we're talking about vulnerable young boys and young men. YOUNG. This is the newest trick nowadays "oh it's your fault you got gaslit, you should have known better than to allow yourself be brainwashed when you had literally zero life experience and we're the most vulnerable". We're not talking about adult men, but impressionable young guys. And you bringing up guys beating each other up and fingering girls in the bathroom just proves the point. Those g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 09:42 AM
3	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise The 'scam' is the disconnect between what men are told attracts women versus what actually works in practice. Growing up, guys hear: 'Be nice, be yourself, be a good provider, be emotionally available, be respectful, and love will find you.' They spend years following this playbook - building careers, being supportive friends, waiting patiently. Meanwhile, they watch guys who ignore all these 'rules' clean up in the dating market. The bad boy who ghosts women, the player who treats dating like a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 08:45 AM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise Men aren't angry about women not picking them. They're angry about being lied to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 08:33 AM
1	I think men act and feel more entitled to romantic success than they realise They're not angry because they believe they're owed a partner. They're angry because they were lied and scammed about it. Society and women lie to guys about how the game works so as to get guys to benefit women and society and be nice little worker bees. So when guys finally get they've been scammed, now they're called entitled.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 08:30 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. Lol you proved the point. You said it's not true and then proceeded to admit that it's true. You literally described shy/akward behavior and then became defensive about how women should be able to feel creeped out by it. OF COURSE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT. You getting defensive about it proves the main point, that women get creeped out by shyness/akwardness. JUST BE HONEST ABOUT IT. It's the gaslighting and dishonesty that people have an issue with. All these lies that supposedly women "ONLY la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 02:40 PM
1	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. You wrote an entire essay, missing the point. The point is there are no inappropriate situations, only bad approaches. A man will approach a woman in a way she deems creepy, and instead of her saying that she will say "ughhh I was doing grocery shopping, it's inappropriate to approach women whilst grocery shopping". But that exact same woman would be swept off her feet in that EXACT SAME GROCERY STORE being approached in the exact same aisle by a guy who can do it well. Same situation, different…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 02:33 PM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. To add. Inappropriate situation is a backwards explanation women give after deeming a guy creepy. If he had approached smoothly and confidently (OR been hot) it wouldn't have been labelled inappropriate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:19 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. Literally every situation on planet earth has been labeled as not appropriate to approach in by some women. If guys chose to make sure he never approaches in situations that might be deemed appropriate, no guy would ever approach ever. Furthermore, it's ironically the leading cause of being seems creepy. When you hesitate and start trying to assess is it appropriate to approach or not, you actually trigger creep-radar in most girls. The literally best guaranteed way to guarantee you're never dee…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:18 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. From my experience, women act creeped out most often when a shy, akward guy approaches them non smoothly. When you ask them they claim they only use the term creepy for guys who won't take a no for an answer. That's not what we see in real world. Almost always we see the word used to describe clumsy, akward attempts at an approach as creepy. That's like 99% of situations when I see the word used. For example the biggest factor is when a guy hesitates... Like lingering and changing his mind about…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:13 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. That's because 99% of approaches are made by 1% of guys. The guy who approached you also approached 23 other women that day. Whereas most guys (like 99% of guys) are in the 0-5 approaches a year range.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:09 AM
0	Women tell that men don't approach women because they're scared. One thing that women don't understand is that 99% of approaches are done by 1% of men. I'm actually in that 1%, I probably meet and exchange IGs with at least 3-4 girls each time I leave the house. The thing is though that you have to learn how to approach smoothly in order to not be deemed creepy (or be hot, which I'm not). Most guys when they (occasionally) try to approach clumsily, it goes really bad and the women act creeped out. The reason you see most approaches going well is because you'r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 08:06 AM
2	Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards. Same can be said about fertility markers in women... They genuinelly contribute to healthier offspring. It's about how much weight an attribute is given tho. Let's say a man consistently dates abusive women just because they have better fertility markers than his other options. We would call him shallow. He prioritizes one set of criteria over another... as we all have to do, since we don't have access to the rare humans who maxed out on all fronts. Would he take the tradeoff in getting a "merel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/25 07:40 PM
7	Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards. No not really. Broke non tall guys with charisma can get laid too. But we're talking the kind of rizz that takes more years to achieve than becoming a surgeon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 09:37 AM
0	Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards. To be fair you can be a broke guy with rizz and get women. You're not a better human being if you spent thousands of hours trying to bang everything in sight, yet women treat awkward men like pariahs and act like having rizz is somehow a noble character trait	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 09:26 AM
38	Redpill men complain that women are too picky, but they also complain when women have low standards. I don't see the issue. Two different sets of attributes altogether. The "unrealistically high standards" is about shallow criteria such as height, rizz, looks. The "low standards" is about deeper character traits. Like when a woman will go for the abusive guy because he's tall and later claim all men are narcissists. So she refuses to increase her character standards (don't date narcissists) because she is obsessed with dating hot/popular guys (refuses to lower that set of criteria).	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 08:43 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Nobody is taking away your freedom by not making great assumptions about you. You can have all the variety you want. You're free to do so. People are free to assume it means you couldn't keep a guy to stick for more than sex. I don't care what it makes women think, it's a fact. Mens criteria for sex are lower. When a man looks at a pool of a 100 women, maybe 95 are good enough for a one night stand, and maybe 2 are good enough for more than that. What this fact causes women to feel is irrelevant…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 02:23 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational It can't, because men and women are different. Women don't let basic men stick it in. A man needs more than just a stick to even have sex in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 02:09 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Fault and shame for what exactly? That a woman wasn't good enough for more than sex? Her not being good for anything more than sex is her fault. She chose to be basic. The men who don't require more in order to stick it in didn't make her basic. She chose that. She chose to only meet the criteria for sex and nothing beyond that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/25 01:36 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Except guys who can't get women to stick around can't even get dates. As an undesirable guy you can't rack up the numbers. Undesirable women can rack up numbers, because many men have no standard aside from "she has holes".	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 07:30 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Hahahahahahab	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 07:27 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational You keep changing the subject. Nobody said anything about blame or what not. It's something you keep inserting. Nobody ever said anything about either frustration or blame or any of those things. The point is that if a woman has a high count we can reasonably assume it means she's flawed in some way and couldn't get a guy to stick around. That guess is wrong some of the time, but correct most of the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 05:01 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Nobody is shaming women for it. We're just making probability based assumptions. If a woman has a higher number it's more likely to be due to her not being able to get men to stick around, rather than a high desire for variety. The assumption is wrong some of the time, but correct most of the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 04:56 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational How could it be applied to women? There's no such thing as seducing a man into sex. He already wants to have it. I'm not justifying male promiscuity. Only explaining why one is seen as a feat of skill, and the other isn't. Think of those clips of guys doing dangerous stunts. We go WOW. We are not saying wow because we approve of it or think it's good that there's guys risking death for likes online. We're saying wow because we see the skill it takes to pull off, whilst knowing it's dumb and bad …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 04:54 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational So you admit men make it super easy for women to get laid. Glad we agree. The point is that getting laid for women requires the same skillset as farting in public. It's not an impressive feat because the only thing it requires is either impulsivity or not caring what people think. No skill required beyond that. Getting laid a lot as a man requires more skill than becoming a surgeon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 04:47 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Lol. That's literally an imaginary scenario. Becoming a good lover is literally 1000x easier than becoming a good seducer. Why would someone spend 1000x more effort at getting new lays, when he could just not suck in bed. Something that's literally 1000x easier than getting new lays.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/25 04:44 PM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Literally any woman could get a 1000 lays a month if she just put out an ad. Most boring, plain woman ever. Not even celebs can reach the powers of a mid woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/25 06:36 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational It's called heuristics. It's in every area of life. If someone is chronically unemployed we assume they're a bad employee, have discipline issue etc... They might have just had bad luck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/25 06:19 AM
2	Planning to quit my job to meet girls at hostels So? Get over that issue. It literally only takes a couple of days, or at most weeks. When you figure out most cute girls are flattered when you approach confidently, it won't feel weird. Youll love doing it. At first it will be weird and you'll be akward and the responses will range from neutral to very warm. *Even when you're akward and just starting out some of the girls will still be super nice and receptive. But keep going and you get smoother until you get to a point where 99% are super nic…	/r/seduction	28/04/25 12:17 PM
1	Planning to quit my job to meet girls at hostels Why tho. You can talk to girls at the bus stop, sidewalk, store. They're everywhere and don't need to be travelling.	/r/seduction	27/04/25 09:24 PM
6	Women more prone to express disgust and take offense when a guy perceived as "below their league" shows any kind of interest I do the same. I only start conversations for the sake of making conversations, its not a romantic approach, unless she turns it romantic But even then, the mids will invent interest to boost their ego. Like you can't even say a friendly hello to a mid neighbor. She'll talk about how this creep neighbor's is creeping on her. I do a ton of talking to people everywhere, and the beautiful girls take it for what it is, just being social. The mids quite often act like you're hitting on them even if s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 09:00 PM
0	Women more prone to express disgust and take offense when a guy perceived as "below their league" shows any kind of interest True. Which I could upvoted this 50k times. So many of the issues in modern dating are rooted in gaslighting men. Nobody wins when we lie to young men, not the people doing the lying, nobody.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 04:58 PM
19	Women more prone to express disgust and take offense when a guy perceived as "below their league" shows any kind of interest This is the correct answer. Should be most upvoted. Bragplaining is such an evil. It's a vicious cycle. Men are afraid of approaching for fear of being labelled a creep. And you have an epidemic of mids who label guys creep as a way to bragplain. My solution and suggestion to me is to never approach mids. If you only talk to beautiful women you never run the risk of a bragplained creep accusation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 04:56 PM
–	You are not a victim just because nobody wants to date you. Loneliness and sexlessness is just an unfortunate by product of free will, which proceeds all other rights in dating There's no such thing as "nobody wants to date you". It's how you find the ones that do without humiliation, embarrassment and suffering. And this is the part that lonely guys deal with. Loneliness and sexlessness in 99.99999% of situations is about not knowing how to initiate dating and how to flirt. It's rare that any of these guys are completely un-date-able. For every one of these guys there are girls who would date him, but he doesn't know who these girls are as they sit around and wait for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 11:27 PM
1	The Just World Fallacy is one of society's biggest barriers to Dating for Men This is a huge one that many won't admit. We have this screwed up system where if you didn't prioritize chasing pussy in high school, you end up in a vicious cycle. Girls past high school won't give you a chance if you don't have the experience. But in order to get the experience you need someone to give you a chance. It turns into a vicious cycle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 08:48 AM
2	"Chad" is less likely to be misogynistic than a sexually inexperienced man: A study found that the more sexually experienced a man is, the more biased he is towards women. Wow I'm astonished at everyone here commenting without having read the study. Did you EVEN look at how they defined misogyny? From my experience reading studies like these, their misogyny measuring device includes things that amount to: "Believes modern dating is unfair and women keep dating a bad subset of guys". So if you define misogyny that way, of course the guy chosen doesn't think women pick the wrong guys and automatically isn't deemed "misogynistic" by the algorithm they use.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 07:15 AM
0	Men aren't approaching women due to a lack of social skills, merely because they are taught not to. Stop this "social skills" and "socializing" crap diversion. You can socialize until the cows come home but at some point SOMEONE has to make a move or show interest. THIS is the part were talking about. Moving an interaction from the merely social to the sociosexual realm. And THIS is a separate skill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 05:23 AM
1	There is no good Bluepill Dating Manual. That doesn't give the actual specifics	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 10:02 AM
1	There is no good Bluepill Dating Manual. Great point. Blue pill never offers any solutions and in fact is the main cause of incels. It is the mainstream that says "wait for dates to magically drop in your lap, and if they're not, bugger off and somehow stop existing your mere existence is making us uncomfortable" And then they wonder why you have all these young guys joining the incel movement which is basically "I wasn't popular in high school and so I'm doomed, it's over". You really can't have a society where you either figured it a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 08:23 AM
2	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. I know one who had his life ruined and proved his innocence after a long and expensive fight. The girl in question was a wannabe sugar baby who got angry that he didn't pull out a wad of cash after sex and hence decided to falsely accuse him of rape.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 06:39 PM
1	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Back to topic: he was put in that prison by a woman. Forget the extra crap that happens once he's inside. Losing ones freedom due to a false accusation is bad enough. When op says men feel unsafe around women, it's because they know any woman could point a finger and destroy his life (prison, loss of career, family, etc). Wouldnt you feel unsafe around someone that you know could just randomly decide to destroy your life?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 06:30 PM
1	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Downplaying > it's not so bad. If a man suffers decades of trauma due to a false accusation, this isn't as bad as a woman experiencing perceived possibly attempted assault.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 05:15 PM
1	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. You sure invested a ton of effort trying to downplay the suffering of FA victims. When this was pointed out to you then you switched to pretending like you were only arguing about which one is more likely to happen. Something you invested no effort in proving nor arguing until it was made clear how atrociously pro-sufferring you are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 05:09 PM
1	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. So if they're not identical, one shouldn't count, it's ok to dehumanize men and inflict decades of suffering on them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 05:01 PM
2	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. So if they're not the same, then it's ok? As a man knowing that a woman can merely point a finger at you and destroy your life and inflict decades of suffering shouldn't count as being unsafe... Because it's "not the same TM"	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 04:39 PM
4	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. You're literally arguing that destroying someone's life is fine as long as you didn't specifically intend the worst outcomes. That's exactly what criminal negligence means - you're responsible for obvious likely consequences. And using SA statistics to justify false accusations is horrific. Both things can be wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 04:15 PM
1	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Also, stop pretending it would be fine if there weren't gangs involved. Decades in prison, destroyed families, suicides, losing everything - these are all forms of violence too. You're just trying to minimize devastating harm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:32 PM
2	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Deliberately putting someone in a situation where they'll likely be harmed makes you responsible for that harm. That's literally why we have laws about criminal negligence and depraved indifference. It's literally a crime. Getting the police to arrest and detain innocent people is a crime SPECIFICALLY because you got someone to inflict violence in your name (in this case the state).	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:31 PM
4	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Funny. When you hire a hitman to kill someone you go to jail too. This "I'm not really responsible if I get others to do the actual violence for me" doesn't fly in court.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:18 PM
-2	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. I'm very aware of how feminists do "statistics". I recommend the bestseller book "how to lie with statistics"... You might learn a thing or two. While I haven't seen the specific study you mention, from previous research I've seen how feminists label data. For example there was a study where they asked women if they at any moment felt emotionally pressured, and if they said yes they would label it as "almost raped" even if the woman herself would never call it almost raped. You have to actually …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:17 PM
5	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. So then it's ok for a woman to put a man there because others do the deed? She only placed him in a pit of poisonous snakes, she didn't do the actual biting so it's ok? She didn't do the actual murdering, she just lied to her brothers to do the killing for her, so that makes it ok??? Wttrrffffff?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:12 PM
9	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. So then it's ok for a woman to put a man there because others do the deed? She only placed him in a pit of poisonous snakes, she didn't do the actual biting so it's ok? Thing is, everyone hates rapists. Including other prisoners. If you go to jail on a rape accusation you will be handled by the other prisoners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:11 PM
10	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. The worst case in FA is being buttraped by a prison gang for decades and/or murdered by her family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:08 PM
1	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Why are you grouping raped and "almost raped"? Should we group "ended up in jail due to a false accusation" and "barely escaped being jailed and murdered due to a false accusation"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 03:06 PM
16	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. He didn't say "shit beat in, raped, dismembered and thrown into a ditch" vs "accused with no consequence". You did that. You took the worst case of one and compared it to the best case of the other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 02:51 PM
10	Data show men are as unsafe around women as women are around men. 40% of women could imagine making a false assault claim against men, while 32% of men could imagine forcing women to do something sexual against their will. Why are you comparing the worst case scenario of one, with the best case scenario of the other? The worst case scenario for a false accusation is spending the rest of your life in prison as your mother commits suicide and you get buttraped daily for decades to come. That's at least as likely an outcome (if not more likely) then the (dismembered and left in a ditch) outcome for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 02:46 PM
13	"Male romantic loneliness is due to women not putting up with shitty behavior anymore" take is pure BS You were. They just misrepresented you on purpose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 06:41 PM
29	"Male romantic loneliness is due to women not putting up with shitty behavior anymore" take is pure BS I don't think the op pointed out dark triad attraction in order to say that's what all women go for all the time. I think he pointed it out to dispell the notion that women are rejecting guys for "not being good" He's not saying the opposite ("women primarily go for and seek out dark triad guys"). I think he means that the claim "you're single because you're not a good person" is easy to dismantle seeing that dark triad guys have no problem getting laid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 03:16 PM
5	"Male romantic loneliness is due to women not putting up with shitty behavior anymore" take is pure BS Thats a very common disingenuous tactic for sure. Feminists often use "social skills" as euphemism for game (sociosexual skills and success) You could have 5000 friends, i.e all the friends in the world and have no game. But some people love calling it "lacking social skills", which is just one of many ways to gaslight us that not getting laid a lot is some sort of a character flaw.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 03:12 PM
1	Expecting a partner to at least be in a similar economic position as you is entirely reasonable Put another way... Women will look at a guy with top sociosexual skills (say a full-time club organizer, dancer, artist, etc...) and find him lacking because he doesn't also have a masters. Then they'll meet a guy with a masters and call him dense and lacking in sociosexual skills (using the club promoter as a reference point). *Obviously it can be any combination of criteria. Just painting a simple example. They'll defend said criteria by saying "but why can't I insist on a guy with masters, I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 06:20 PM
1	Expecting a partner to at least be in a similar economic position as you is entirely reasonable I think what's unreasonable is the combination of criteria. No criterion alone is seen as unreasonable by anyone. It's like a girl who posted that she doesn't understand why all of her friends tell her she's unreasonable. Her side of the story sounded very reasonable... Until I grilled her for details... She wanted an educated, ambitious and successful guy (her match, reasonable) who simultaneously had the sociosexual skills of an fboy who invested his time in partying. Pick one. The combination…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 06:15 PM
6	Is it fair to say that women can struggle in dating as well? And substantially better odds at that. The odds of a mid-tier woman getting commitment from a high-tier man are like hitting the lottery. But when this is pointed to them, they say "oooh, but I once gave an average guy a chance and it didn't work out"... Like seriously? It's still like 10000x higher chance of working out than pursuing a guy out of your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 07:35 AM
1	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? Most young men are utterly confused by the contradictions. It takes a while until they untangle the bullshit. It doesn't help that nonfeminist women don't say shit. The only voices featured in the media are feminists screeching that you shouldn't make a move unless a woman is literally begging you. They do now have mandatory training in schools teaching them that they should never ever make a move on a girl unless explicitly asked to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/25 01:33 AM
1	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? Except you're missing one piece. In fact this ONE piece is the difference between this and previous generations of men. YES, It is masculine to take risks. But it is not masculine to do something immoral. If a guy is ONLY hesitating due to a fear of rejection, then YOU WOULD BE RIGHT. The part that you're missing is that guys today are bombarded with feminist messaging that it's WRONG to make a woman uncomfortable. Men aren't afraid of rejection. They're afraid of doing something wrong, somethin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/25 01:22 AM
1	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? You said: "If a guy is secure in himself and has normal social skills he will pick up on the possibility of a woman liking him and ask her out." In no reasonable reading of this text can this read as the same claim I made (and then you adopted pretending it was your position all along). Your text above can either read as "every time", or if we're being charitable "most of the time". In no interpretation of the English language can it read as saying "some of the time".	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 11:42 PM
2	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? Youve changed the claim to agree with what I'm saying. That's exactly what I said. That average guys gather the courage SOME of the time and sometimes it's clear enough (things align) to where some of the time they hit it off and get with someone. That's how average normal guys get those partners. That's not what you said originally though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 07:23 PM
2	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? Those words never left my mouth, you keep reading words that were never written. You literally hallucinate things that never appeared on your screen. I do not prescribe, nor care to. I don't care what people should do or not do. I'm merely challenging your claim about what IS. You CLAIM that normally adjusted men with basic social skills can read the level of signalling that women emit today and do not hesitate, ever. I'm challenging this claim. Not whether guys should or shouldn't do this or th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 07:04 PM
2	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? You keep changing the topic and going into mile wrong rants off topic. Nobody cares what you like or don't like or what you did with whom. This reddit isn't about you. I was challenging your idea that normal guys can always tell a woman is interested and always make a move. The math for that claim doesn't add up and you keep skirting the issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 06:50 PM
1	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? Look up modal averages where's it broke up by 1 partner, 2 partners, 3. Or ask your AI to explain modal averages to you. Not sure where you got this. Because that's what the math says. One of those things have to be wrong then. Redpillers say most guys rarely get opportunities because women are giving most of the opportunies to and chasing chads. The common retort is "nah uh, average guys get opportunities all the time!" So do you disagree with that and agree with the redpillers? Remember in ord…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 03:48 PM
3	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? Dude you keep using the term awkward. That's you projecting things. You keep calling guys awkward, we keep telling you guys that NONAKWARD NORMAL GUYS hesitate most of the time. I said most normal guys hesitate and aren't sure if she's interested, you literally read it as if I wrote "most guys are akward". YOURE READING THINGS THAT WERE NEVER WRITTEN. There's literally tens of thousands of articles, interviews and surveys with guys telling women that in today's climate they hesitate due to the h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 03:37 PM
1	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? What's with everyone on here projecting like this? It happens every time. I'm in the top 1% in terms of experience and did my share of playing the field. I conciously made it a focus which is why I understand both levels. Every single effing time when you guys are informed what's normal you go "well it must be a issue, you must be timid and talk to no one". You guys have exceptionally warped views of what's normal, a good 50% of men are in the cohorts of 1 partner, 2 partners or 3 partners. If y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 03:21 PM
2	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? We're talking about taking things beyond the social and into the sexual/romantic. Not "strike up a conversation", but beyond that. Most situations, the men are unsure "is she just being friendly or does she want me to ask her out/make a move". Most of the time they don't go further due to this dilemma. Not lack of interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 03:06 PM
3	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? What am I saying? I'm saying you can't make claims about the guys who didn't make a move. You're not telepathic. You don't know why they didn't make a move. Guys keep telling women that most normal guys hesitate most of the time and end up not making a move, not due to lack of interest, but because they're not sure enough that it will be welcome. You in turn insult them and call them lacking in basic social skills.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 03:04 PM
3	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? I never said you only dated players. What I'm saying (and often tell my female friends) is that the average guy only has these bouts of confidence or things aligning every now and then. If he has a 100 women show interest in him, things might line up just right like 2 out of 100 times. Like he gathers enough courage to take risks on incomplete information and it just happened to be the right kind at the right time etc... it doesn't mean he was uninterested the other 98 times. They, like you, bel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:59 PM
3	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? That's because you're not counting all the ones who didn't make a move. The invisible men. You're looking at all the men who did make a move and declaring they represent the bulk of men who wanted to make a move and anyone who didn't is uninterested or timid and anxious and lacking basic social skills.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:48 PM
3	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? It's the same in social circles. Players dominate most flirting attempts and are far more attuned to subtleties and ambiguous signals and also more likely to take risks and not wait for 100% certainty. Yes in social circles it's better, but the percentages are still heavily skewed towards most of women's experiences being with above average men. All of my female friends refer to basic normal hesitation in guys as if it were a pathology. I often point out to them that they only ever see as normal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:40 PM
2	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? I asked the AI what it thinks and it said this: She's making a problematic assumption that any socially competent man can accurately detect women's interest and should confidently act on it. Her statement implies a binary where either: You're socially skilled and can reliably interpret subtle signals (and therefore should confidently make moves) You're timid and socially awkward if you're uncertain about someone's interest This overlooks the reality that interest signals are genuinely ambiguous …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:35 PM
6	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? No, women confuse advanced smoothness with "normal". It's normal to be a little awkward if you're unsure about her interest, THAT is normal. If most men aren't making awkward moves, it's because they don't make a move unless absolutely certain, which is pretty rare due to women's ambiguous signals. It is normal to be unsure if she wants you to make a move or not. Only players are exempt of this. But the reason women don't know this is because players are doing 98% of the approaches and flirting …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 02:23 PM
6	If Women Truly Want Good Men, Why Aren’t They Their First Choice? In my estimation I think this happens because women insist on a dating dynamic that's impossible with good men. Namely they want to give minimal plausibly deniable signals of interest and still have the guy bust through those and make it happen. But good guys don't do that. They're afraid of being creepy or coming on too strong. It's not that women don't want good guys, they do. They just have this contradictory set of rules about how things should happen that precludes good guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 07:45 AM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Ah accountability, something many women are allergic to in this context. They've actually done the studies. When women THINK they're showing blatant "signals", it's completely invisible to anyone but her. In fact in the studies they had women trying to read if another woman was showing signals and they were no more accurate than the men. In other words it's a signal sender issue, not a signal receiver issue. But accepting that would take some accountability. It's easier to say the receivers are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 12:12 AM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Lol. Someone still has to ask whether it's offline or online. Eventually someone has to ask.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 06:33 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Not assume. Ask. You know that little thing men have to learn to do or die alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 05:39 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? And what do women need to do to gain that clarity? Just exist?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 04:23 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? But they are. When women say they don't have options, what they mean is "I don't have options by merely existing therefore I dont have options" That's lazy. Having options doesn't mean you exist and you're given stuff. You still have to put in some effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 03:39 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Can you define options? Because in an earlier reply you conflated having options with "getting approached". How do you define having options? Let's start there	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 03:38 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Coming off stupid didn't tackle any of my points. You literally defined "having options" as getting approached. Did you or did you not? What specific part of this do you have an issue with? "Yooo stupid" isnt a response. Get back to the actual topic. How do you define having options?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 03:36 PM
0	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? It's just an excuse for laziness. If she gave a ton of signals and he still doesn't approach, maybe she can claim that. But let's be real, most women don't give a ton of signals before deciding a guy isn't interested. And 99.99999% of men will not approach without a signal. It doesn't matter how interested he is. Feminists have blatantly made it clear that approaching without a signal is tantamount to mini rape. It doesn't matter how interested you are in her, you must wait for a signal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 03:08 PM
0	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? You literally said "you're delusional, women don't have options because I never get approached" But that's proving the point: I never said women get approached. They don't. Because they're too lazy to invite it. You're defining having options as getting approached. I never mentioned anything about approaching. You did. All women have to do in order to uncover all those options is approach men, or at least make it blatantly clear they want to be approached. An option doesn't have 'option', writte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 03:02 PM
0	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Also, back to the original discussion, which you derailed in several layer. The point is this: - Women have a ton of options. All they have to do in order to tap into those options is actually approach or ask guys out. And if they insist that the man has to do that part, the VERY LEAST they can do is show clear interest that they want TO BE approached/asked out. The very fact that women define having options as "getting things by merely existing" is the biggest sign of entitlement. It doesn't co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 02:54 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? You keep making it about you. I don't care about you. We're talking about society at large. Now, back to the actual topic (women at large, not you); The point is that these women that you say go: "if you have to approach him he simply doesn’t like you". You do not see the laziness and entitlement in that statement?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 02:49 PM
1	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? I agree, but you didn't read that part. What I said was that if women were unlazy they'd do the approaching themselves instead of bothering with invites. But women are SOOOOO LAZY they have two layers of laziness. Not ONLY do they insisist on not doing the approaching themselves (which women have historically done)... but today's women are soooo lazy that they both insist that men should come to them, and that they shouldn't do anything or learn how to make it happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 02:43 PM
3	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? I didn't say men approach. I'm saying men rarely almost never approach these days due to two things: feminists have demonized cold approach and told guys do NOT approach women unless they specifically make it clear that they're asking to be approached at the same time women are the laziest they've ever been in the history of humankind when it comes to inviting approaches... They just expect to meet men by merely existing. The very fact that you ask this question proves the point. Women are so la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 02:18 PM
4	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? Where did I say "get every guy"? That's just more proof of the entitlement. Women think they should be getting a 100% success rate, otherwise it's beneath them to lift a finger and they'd rather stand around and wait for stuff to be handed to them for merely existing, without putting in effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 11:52 AM
0	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? That's because women are lazy irl. They do have a ton of options. But they'd have to put in the slightest effort like demonstrating that they're interested in being approached or asked out. Even an average woman who simply learns how to show approach invitations and make her interest clear could have a dozen dates lined up each week. But that's too much to ask for. They want to get approached and asked out merely for existing. I don't have options means: men aren't dropping into my lap by me mer…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 08:55 AM
6	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? I actually believe this. There's this paradox where men are most likely to approach less attractive women. It's because of the misconception that "ugly women are easy". So less attractive women get most of the approaches as weird as that sounds.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 08:52 AM
5	Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already? It's ok to have preferences, but "mentally challenged"?!?!???? Seriously. I'm happy that men didn't approach you. They could probably tell from your vibe that you're like this. So if you didnt approach when you were in your 20s it was ok because you were still timid. But if guys didn't, they were "mentally challenged".	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 08:50 AM
6	"Bar for men is in hell, most women just want a guy who treats them like a human being" is a hilarious lie. As others have pointed out, that's a situation created by many women trying to date the same guy. Why put in effort if he has all these options. Not putting in more effort than you have to isn't even a human trait, it's a trait of all organisms. You only put in as much effort as necessary. That's true across all species and organisms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/25 12:03 AM
1	I can't believe how many people in here still haven't read Models Models is a very feel good oversimplification that makes you feel like "you get it and now the doors to pussy are unlocked"... But then you realize nothing changed, you're no better at approaching, closing, anything at all. It's just a feel good book.	/r/seduction	01/02/25 07:23 AM
1	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. Continued Me: I don't know, you tell me Ai: I think there are a few key psychological dynamics at play: First, there's often a strong element of competitive one-upmanship in these spaces. When someone shares a serious challenge, others may feel compelled to present themselves as "above" that problem - similar to how someone might respond to someone's financial struggles with "Just make more money like I do." Second, there's likely some wishful thinking and fantasy projection happening. These res…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 08:31 PM
1	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. I asked the AI what it thinks of you, and this is what it said: This is an interesting social observation about dating discussions online. Let me break this down: The initial point about men navigating ambiguous signals is a well-documented challenge in dating. It reflects real social dynamics where subtle cues and indirect communication are common, and misreading these signals can have social consequences. The response you're describing - claiming extremely forward behavior from women - is fasc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 08:27 PM
2	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. You do realize this thread was about men, and that means the male collective most of which are average? What were you trying to achieve? Was there even any point to it? Why did you even respond to let us know that some guys have women throw themselves at them? Obviously the thread is not about those guys. Obviously we were talking about the common man whose options do not include "stand around and wait for a woman to grab my d".	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 08:17 PM
2	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. People don't go around recording conversations with their female friends so as to provide "evidence" to random weirdo LARPers on reddit. Nor do they keep a list of bookmarked parts of videos and TikToks as examples in case a gaslighting weirdo like you requests it. Can you provide evidence that average guys have random women walking up to him and kissing him, grabbing his dick and openly hitting on him to such a great quantity that he can have his pick of beautiful women to such an extent that h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 05:41 PM
2	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. If you're going to pretend not one woman has said something which is common, I will declare that you're arguing in bad faith. Most women are afraid of being too forward. Women giving fuck me eyes and touching you a lot are the minority. It is generally ugly women and feminists (but I repeat myself) that tend to be more forward and hit on men more directly. Most mainstream women (unless drunk) think it would make them appear "slutty" and still play the plausible deniability game where the best yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 02:48 PM
5	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. Nice try, but they act quite nicely around me. And through lots of dating experience I've figured out ways to test if it's just being nice or sexual interest. However most guys have not spend years thinking about or learning this stuff, and nobody teaches it in mainstream society. This thread is about the general man for whom niceness means "I might just be nice, or I might be interested"	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 10:09 AM
4	Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency. Wrong. The reason men think a woman being nice is a POTENTIAL sign of interest IS because THIS is how many women show interest. There's literally hordes of women we see complaining "I was so nice to him, smiling, listening intently, and he never made a move!!!! Arrrgh what's wrong with guys, why else would I be so nice to him and pretending to care about everything he says!". WOMEN created this game where nice means "I might be interested or I might just be acting nice, make a move and find out"…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/25 07:28 AM
1	I have a weakly held view that many red-pillers underestimate the success of the average man because they overuse dating apps, and there are tractable ways of improving their luck. To be fair it's easy. Don't approach mid and ugly women and you're unlikely to run into a woman like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 06:39 PM
8	why won't women engage with men? yeah it's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 08:01 PM
2	why won't women engage with men? Doood we already established you don't mean cold approach. I'm asking you in the context of ACQUAINTANCES.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 03:49 PM
3	why won't women engage with men? I am asking you precisely to DEFINE what do you mean by "if a man likes a woman he will ask her out"? Because to most sane people that means all men when interested in a woman, will ask her out. Even the shy guys. *(With qualifier: has to be acquaintance or online) If you mean something else, please be PRECISE.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 02:44 PM
3	why won't women engage with men? Ok, so can we be precise. Are you claiming that if a guy is interested in someone and they know each other, he will ask them out? This is an absurd claim.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 02:27 PM
3	why won't women engage with men? You can approach in social settings. You entered a discussion about approaching to add that people can show interest, but you used the word approach, when what you meant was "fess up their feelings after a long time of knowing them". Why not just say that? Who the heck uses the term "approach someone" to mean "fess up to having been interested all along to someone you've known and talked to for a long time". You know full well nobody uses the word "approach" with that meaning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 02:21 PM
3	why won't women engage with men? Ok, so your claim is that if a man is interested in a woman, he will show interest if he's known her for a long time and theyve talked a lot before. Still disagree with this claim.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 02:04 PM
2	why won't women engage with men? Do you know what the word approach means? If they already know each other and have talked for a long time and theyve known each other for a while, how is it approaching?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 01:53 PM
4	why won't women engage with men? Why are you combining two uncombinable things? Putting "sending messages and approaching in social settings" in the same category is like placing skiing and horse riding in the same category. What's the point of conflating them? Online only a tiny percentage of men get any results, it's an entirely different universe. It's 1000000x easier to send a message online than show interest in real life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 01:40 PM
4	why won't women engage with men? What does this have to do with approaching people in real life? Most guys get ignored online. What is your point? How are you relating this to approaching?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 01:28 PM
5	why won't women engage with men? What evidence do you have of this absurd claim. You can neither read minds nor have ever been a man. I assure you, most interested guys do not approach, and especially not the shy guys. Not even in those contexts. Most of the approaches you see are from a small percentage of interested men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 01:15 PM
9	why won't women engage with men? The point is that you don't know why the men who didn't approach didn't. How do you know that all men who are interested do approach? Do you read minds?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 08:07 AM
9	why won't women engage with men? So you have telepathic abilities and can read the minds of all guys who didn't approach a given girl... Interesting...	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 05:44 AM
17	why won't women engage with men? No he won't. This is similar to survivorship bias. You don't see what you don't see, i.e all the times men didnt approach . Most guys don't approach most of the time, no matter how interested. And shy guys, heck no. Doesn't matter whether in social settings or cold. Guys rarely ever approach, regardless of interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 04:44 AM
1	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Disagreement is picking fights? You targeted me. Should I just let you target lies and misinformation at me and not respond?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:52 PM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Know what? That I've studied feminism for 20 years? Guilty as charged. I do admit that for 15 of those years I was gullible and believed that feminists have good intentions and only cause mass suffering due to complete incompetence. I finally accepted it is due to malice, not incompetence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:40 PM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays They are	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:36 PM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Incel community lol. We've been dismantling feminist lies since the 80s. Warren Farrell did most of the pivotal work. This preceeds "the incel community" by about 30 years. The incel community is a tiny group of frustrated teenagers. Using them as your current boogieman is pathetic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:14 PM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Yeah. Talking to feminists is creepy. Talking to non feminists isn't creepy. It's real simple. And I'm not being facetious, women who don't hate men are super happy when you approach them. It's really easy to recognize bitter menhaters and not approach them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:02 PM
1	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Well you can go and befriend cute girls in real life and see that not one of them says this stuff. Funny story, the number one fantasy for women is to meet a man whilst out grocery shopping. These feminists are weird outliers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 02:32 PM
3	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays One beautiful thing about the modern internet is that it's no longer anonymous. Nowadays guys can see who's putting out articles saying "don't approach" versus who's putting out "men please approach us" Let's just say there are some correlations. Just click on the author profile picture of any article ranting about how men shouldn't be approaching. You'll notice you go "Wth, I'd never even think about approaching her, why is she obsessed writing article about stop approaching, does anyone even a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 11:02 AM
1	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Most women aren't feminists. It's really easy to avoid being labeled a creep. Just don't approach feminists. Everyone I know who does cold approaches has noticed that you can generally tell which types of girls are going to be nice about it, and which are going to act like you're bothering them. I would spell it out, but that would be impolite here and get me brigaded. But let's just say there are certain correlations. I assure you I never approach feminists, so it always goes well	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 10:59 AM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays I'm pretty sure you saw the word "approach more". Not "start approaching at all". The other thing many have mentioned is that women tend to do it in the lowest risk situations where it's pretty much a done deal, he's just shy to make the move. I would also ads only when it's an outsized return. Women approach only guys who are many levels above them. Kind of like if I'm going to approach a guy, it has to be someone who's 10x better than I can get by waiting around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 07:52 AM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Sure, people still go on dates, but the dates aren't on the 20th century model of screening for a relationship. Then getting into a relationship, and only later having sex. The women expect the men to smoothly move forward sexually, or be deemed as "lacking in chemistry". The fact is that most relationships in the modern western world start sexual. And then people see where it goes from there. Whether it turns into something more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 07:21 AM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating That's how it works in the 21st century. Unless you're in the Mormon belt or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 07:12 AM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating All relationships start with sex first	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 05:49 AM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Why did you write them? The topic was getting laid. So you were being dishonest and manipulative? Why bring up having a conversation? Why to someone saying if no sign of getting laid within 3 months you bring up "hahah try 3 days". Not a single person on the planet denies you'll get into conversations by joining a hobby at straightaway. How is that an appropriate on point response?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 03:18 AM
1	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays That's a lie.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 03:15 AM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating But that was the topic of the thread was it not? The topic wasn't "if you're not having conversations with female humans join hobbies". The topic was "if you're not getting laid join hobbies" Then I said guys should feel free to give it 3 months and if they're not magically getting laid maybe reconsider the value of the advice. You mocked the 3 months with "haha try 3 days"	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:29 PM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays I don't understand what you mean by low success rate. If your goal is just to exchange good vibes the success rate is quite high.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:23 PM
4	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays The solution is indeed that women approach more. That will solve so many problems. It's weird why feminists are pushing back on anyone suggesting it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:59 PM
6	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Basically if it worked it's fine. If it didn't it's wrong. Kind of like backwards rationalization	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:48 PM
4	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Good I agree. Nuanced views like this are hard to get in this sub.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:46 PM
5	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Obviously you can tell when someone is in a hurry or just relaxed shopping. That's also basic calibration. When I chat up people in the stores I ussually can't get rid of them and I end up having to cut it short. It's like they had waited all day for someone to chat them up. They plant their feet and go all in. No hurry to get anywhere. If I had listened to feminists on here I would have missed out on the most beautiful thing to happen to me. I've made so many beautiful contacts by just chatting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:25 PM
5	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Well that's exactly why it works. Any half calibrated dude would notice you're not in the chatting mood and not push it. I only now realized that many people in this sub used "approaching" as a synonym for hitting on someone. It seems I've been at cross-communication in many of these threads. When I say approaching I just mean chat. It can turn into more, but that's based on reading the situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:11 PM
5	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays That's only true if you mean hitting on someone. If you're charming and non threatening, almost like a neighbourly chit chat, it never goes wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 09:03 PM
0	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Yeah, they do the dumb and inflammatory thing on purpose. It's a learned pattern. At some point of development they learned it's the only way they can get males to pay attention to them. Otherwise they're invisible to the male gender. At some level you gotta feel sorry for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 08:13 PM
–	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Is this creep in the room with us now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 08:08 PM
2	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays I know. I'm a bit of a hypocrite. I still argue with feminists despite knowing that I shouldn't. It's like my dirty vice. Some people watch tv shows, others eat chocolate. I argue with feminists online. Logically there's no benefit to it. Anything you say will be twisted. And then when you try to untwist what she said to misrepresent you, she adds another uncharitable twist, and this can go forever. You have to remember that these are utterly unattractive women who get no attention from men in r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 08:06 PM
–	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays No you haven't. Nobody approaches feminists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 08:02 PM
1	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays Why are you arguing with her. Don't you notice that she's not arguing in good faith. She's twisting everything you say on purpose. One thing you have to realize when arguing with feminists is that they don't do this due to incompetence, but malice. It's not like they can't read what's written on the screen. They just pretend not to, out of pure malice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 07:59 PM
5	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays So the OP above should dump her SO... he approached her whilst shopping for books...	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 07:55 PM
14	It is up to Women to be proactive in the dating market nowadays A feminist in the other thread is arguing with me that all men who approach women out shopping are creeps and nothing good ever comes out of it. What would you say to her?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 07:23 PM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Actually most experienced men have switched over to instagram because the benefits are much larger than asking for numbers. We asked for numbers like a decade ago. I love how me responding to you is proof that I'm a loser. But I guess you responding is... "A knowledgeable person responding in order to dismantle bullshit"? Oh wait, but that's what I think. I love these double logic hat tricks you keep pulling out. Earlier you implied that a guy who doesn't get laid just needs to join a hobby and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 06:38 PM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating I didn't read that. So you admit you made a fool of yourself by assuming the phrase meant "have a ton of sex" 🤣 not only did you assume it... You said I had said have a ton of sex and the proof is on the page 🤣	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 06:18 PM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating There's a difference between dating and "dating skills". As someone academically trained in social psychology, anthropology and sociology, I just might be able to differentiate between different lenses, which you don't seem to. There's a difference between studying dating as a sociological phenomenon or a cultural phenomenon or studying the actual MECHANICS involved. That's why we have different disciplines FFS you arrogant ignoramus. Nothing in your sexual health training teaches you about the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:31 PM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating You and the reading comprehension issues. I said I convert 100% to an Instagram exchange. And I do. As you advance you improve not just how you approach, but also the ability to know which situations lend themselves best to making a new friend. Take a relaxed person in the grocery aisle vs a woman rushing somewhere with a grumpy face. Here's one secret. I don't hit on them. And the exchange is for networking/friendly purposes. This is what I teach guys. I only escalate to flirtation if she does …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:22 PM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Fun fact, miss sex obsessed. It's not even specific to dating advice for men. It's general personal development lingo. 'Take massive action" is used in advice on pretty much anything you can think off, all the way to some marketing and business advice. It just means get those early failures and reference experiences as fast as possible. I still can't stop laughing how your sex obsessed brain interpreted it as "go have a ton of sex" 🤣	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:48 PM
1	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Well, you're right. If you're going to say everything I say is 100 made up. There's no point in this discussion. Anyone reading this can test it out. Go and spend 3 months in hobbies, see what happens. Don't waste years hoping that it starts working. It's not you, the advice is horrible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:26 PM
2	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating There's absolutely nothing in psychology that is relevant to flirting skills. Not a single thing. Social psychology was invented precisely because traditional psychology is so impractical for things like these. Your arrogance knows no bounds. You've never been a man. Never coached guys on how to start dating. Ive been in this stuff for 20 years, since the early days of male dating communities. Watched and seen hundreds of guys personal journeys, coached both free and paid. Personally worked with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:19 PM
2	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Lol. In dating communities for men the term is used to encourage guys to approach women. "I creep them out" eh? 😂 That's why 100% of them add me on IG and come to events I invite them to and bring friends and like all my stories. Because that's what you do with guys who creep you out 🤣	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:12 PM
2	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating No need to genderize it. I'm equally passionate about anyone spreading misinformation that destroys years of one's life. Whether you're selling a get rich scheme, a pick up artist preying on insecure men or a feminist giving destructive "advice" you're in my sights.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:07 PM
3	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Lol no. The word sex didn't appear anywhere. You projected. I was talking about flirty interactions, not "massive amounts of sex" 😂 It takes like 20-30 approaches to just get over your nerves, then like 30-50 to get accustomed with making things flirty etc etc.... You just can't get that amount of reference experience in a hobby because you'll be pegged as the weird guy hitting on everyone in a weird way. That's why get experience in hobbies is such bad advice unless you're already the smooth gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 01:01 PM
3	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Btw this is the main reason I'm so passionate dismantling bs advice from women. It wasted years of my life. There's a reason guys tell younger guys not to make the same mistakes and waste time listening to female advice. I'm talking to my younger self. Go get the skills first, then join hobbies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:56 PM
6	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating So what was the point of the sarcasm with rpg stats. I assure you, there was a huge difference between my 100th cold approach and my first one. Yes, I got better with more approaches. I was awkward in the first 20-30 or so. By approach 200 I was able to approach any woman, anywhere have a fun conversation and exchange Instagrams. Pretty smooth. Before this I had wasted years in hobbies not getting any better. I progressed more in 3 months of cold approach than years of hobbies. Obviously the smo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:53 PM
7	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating You know that you don't have to say you're a woman, because everyone knows by the way you wrote this. No man would write this. They're called sociosexual skills precisely because they're a skill. You're not born knowing how to flirt or move things along sexually, it comes from experience. Only a woman can believe men are born knowing how to do this or that it "just happens". It's a facet of female privilege.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:46 PM
5	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating I'm describing what it felt like at the time following that horrible advice. If you enter a hobby as a guy who doesn't get laid you just sit back and watch others who do. Hobbies are a horrible place to get your initial experience. It's a bad place to proactively hunt for dates unless you have the experience needed not to make it awkward. You will be pegged as the weird guy if you hit on girls at hobbies. So unless you can do it smoothly, you'll just have to wait until "it just happens" which is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:33 PM
5	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating I'm pretty secure and do really well today. Easily better than 99% of men on the planet. I did it by dropping the dumb hobbies and mass approaching cute girls like crazy. Got amazing experiences. Now I can easily enter any hobby and make a killing. But that's the thing. Hobbies first is reverse order. First start getting laid, THEN join hobbies for even more easy lays.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 10:31 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational So I was right. You were a victim of a man who cheated on you and then lied that he can't help it. That's an utter lie. Men don't accidentally cheat on impulse. It's premeditated. It's not even possible to cheat on impulse or at the spur of the moment. Men consciously decide to pursue sex like you consciously decide to get a high paying job. It takes hours of work and effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:55 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational Who's crying that they can't help what? I don't even understand. You have to have some theory of mind and understand that people don't read thoughts. I am only going off of what was said in this thread. Not other threads in this post or other posts you read. We werent sitting next to you when you read them and got angry. We don't know what you're talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:46 AM
-1	Sexual double standard is irrational Speeding kills people. Sex doesn't. Horrible analogy. Fact is that if a guy had many women say yes to him he must have something going for him. Whereas if a woman hooked up a lot it doesn't say anything positive. It's either neutral or negative. It might be unfair to assume it's negative (as it is in most cases), but it's never a positive indicator, neutral at best.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:43 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational No, just because you look like someone who has no real world experience. The amount of hysterical rhetoric isn't indicative of someone with a normal social or dating life. So either you got unlucky and had a few traumatic experiences, or no experience at all. Normal people don't act like this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:42 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational So then what are you blabbing about? You don't even have dating experience and just sit on reddit working yourself up?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:38 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Accountability is about taking accountability for your own actions. Like you taking accountability for choosing that psycho that cheated on you. Not us taking accountability for him cheating on you. We can't take accountability for others. You chose him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:35 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Yes, this was from a thread with a guy confused why women say contradictory things about being asked out on a date. You can comment there if you'd like and challenge us within context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:31 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational So my guess was correct. That's why you're acting this weird. Some dude cheated on you, then lied about it. It's not our fault you felt for a psychopath. Make it a learning lesson. Guys don't accidentally get laid. If he cheated on you, it's because he decided at least many hours before and probably days and weeks in advance..it didn't just happen in an accidental moment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:27 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Ok, so you believe that if someone replies to something he must have read every single comment written in the subreddit and take it into account and telepathically read what you're thinking? Yes, that is crazy. I can only respond to things said in "this thread", not things said by all men everywhere that you ever read.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:23 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational What are you even talking about? Are you confusing two different threads or even two different conversations? Nobody in this thread mentioned assault nor was it part of this discussion. You then started quoting random things written somewhere else. Are you hallucinating then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:17 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational You know that men aren't telepathically linked right? I'm not tied to random trolls who say they're men that you read online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:12 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational What... Are... You... Talking about. Are you sober?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:03 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational What are you talking about? It's the opposite. A hot woman only represents possible sex (1 in 30 chance). If you invest hours upon hours trying to charm her, she might become interested. A woman being in the same room as you is equivalent to a job recruiter for a high paying job being in the same room as you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:01 AM
3	Sexual double standard is irrational Let me guess. Some guy cheated on you, then said he couldn't control himself. News flash. He lied to you. For him to cheat on you, he had to put hours of intentional concerted effort to get to that sex. It didn't just happen in a moment of poor self control. That's not how sex happens for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:56 AM
3	Sexual double standard is irrational Wow, you really suck at reading comprehension. The discussion is that self control isn't even a factor when it involves work. Self control is like stopping yourself from eating the cake standing right in front of you or saying no to someone offering you cocaine. Getting laid for men is like getting a hyper competitive job. The phrase "self control" doesn't apply. Imagine if someone said "you need self control not to get that high paying job"	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:52 AM
3	Sexual double standard is irrational I literally have no idea what you're talking about? I don't think anyone does. Did you get cheated on by some dude who had a fattie throw herself at him and he didn't say no? Because literally nobody here knows what you're talking about and you seem obsessed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:38 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational Lol self control. You're projecting. He's not a woman. As a woman you have sex thrown at you and you need self control to say no. As a man you go and make sex happen. There's no "self control"... That concept doesn't apply. What are you talking about? Like a man has to consciously invest hours going toward the goal of getting lead. These are hours of conscious work toward a goal. It's like saying "he should have the self control to not make money". Getting laid is like making money for men. You …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:25 AM
1	Sexual double standard is irrational It's not about hard. It's that he needs to have things going for him. A woman can get laid by merely existing. she didn't need to have anything going for her except exist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:20 AM
2	Sexual double standard is irrational I think double standard discussions are fundamentally dishonest. They pretend that it's about prescriptive when it's really descriptive. When men get laid a lot, people go "he must have something going for him to pull that off". They're not saying "men should go around and be as promiscuous as possible". It's just that we assume there must be reasons he pulled it off. Women assume this more than men btw. Many men assume he must be a jerk. When women have a lot of partners, people assume she must…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 04:16 AM
11	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating The issue is that charming fboys also join the same hobbies and dominate. You might get a chance to practice basic social skills, but that's nothing. You can't go around the hobby practicing flirting or sociosexual skills as you'll become "that guy". You just have to watch as the fboys go through all of the girls in the hobby and everyone else just watches.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:30 AM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. How cute. More arrogant commandments. You can chat people up anywhere, exchange IGs and then build from there. My best friends are girls I chatted up with whilst we both waited for a bus. That introduced me to their hot fiends, some of whom I dated, others who introduced me to business clients. You're really angry that nobody is taking your horrible uncalibrated advice and taking it personally. There's a reason no dating coach on the planet says "if you're not getting laid join hobbies". If it w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 03:27 AM
2	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Hobbies work for people who already get laid. People who don't get laid don't magically start getting laid by joining a hobby	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 07:12 PM
1	There are 2 harsh truths that men and women have accept sooner or later. Because they tried it and saw that it was a waste of time. Personally I wasted a bunch of years going to hobbies (that I was passionate about), only to watch the fboys dominate and bang everybody in the hobby. The guys who get laid from hobbies are guys who get laid OUTSIDE OF hobbies. The hobby is irrelevant. Hobbies are great if you're already the kind of guy who gets laid. You don't START getting laid because you join a hobby. This is the lie that guys have an issue with. Getting laid is a se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 07:08 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise But there's no proof of this. It's just female insecurity and projection. You think because the media shows hotter girls than men see outside, thst men would recalibrate their criteria to deem that the minimum? But they dont. Women do that. Regular guys still drool over and act needy over basic mid chicks. It's women's brains that are wired to calibrate their attraction criteria based on what's seen as the criteria of society, not men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 04:10 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise I don't follow. So... "Because there are many types of girls in porn, a guy can choose a girl who is his type"... Ok I agree so far. Thherefore that's the same thing as men existing on only dating supermodels... Therefore men are just as delusional as women? I don't follow the logical chain there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:06 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise Sure, but what's your actual point? There are a couple of pornstars who could do regular modelling. They make millions in porn whereas they would only get the odd modelling gig here and there. Since by modelling standards they're just one of many models, nothing special.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:00 PM
-1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise It doesn't matter if they call it basic standards. What matters is if it is realistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:52 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise Ah the good ol bait and switch. You're correct, but you changed the guy type. Yes, regular guys are desperate and try to lock in a girl the moment she sleeps with him and get super jealous and possessive. All true. But nobody ever said that women have a problem getting commitment from regular guys. Not a single person has ever said that, not even once. The claim is that they are delulu because they try to get commitment from guys out of their league (which they do)	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:25 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise So you're saying there's no difference between a porn girl, lingerie/fashion model and a supermodel? Because there's levels to this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:20 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise That's fine. But I thought the topic was commitment? Of course plain women can bang hot dudes. Men do fuck down. I thought the topic was serious relationships? If she believes she can fuck hot guys, she's not delusional. Even male models bang warpigs. They don't make them a girlfriend however, and to think they would is delusional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:44 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise Lol, I actually work with models. Girls in porn are average and would never get a modelling gig. That's why they do porn. If they looked like models they could make money without taking meat on camera. Girls who are less attractive than a porn girl are below average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:40 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise There's a difference. Men merely fantasize about those models. They don't believe the models are "the bare minimum". A guy fantasizes about getting rich enough or famous enough to date such models. But he still dates and is attracted to the cute girl next door. Women however recalibrate their ideas of "normal" towards what's displayed in media. Like she actually expects that it's normal for men to approach and lead with movie like charm, charisma and smoothness. Normal guys are seen as weird. Gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:35 PM
-5	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise There's another way to interpret this. Remember that just one generation has a high divorce rate. Not the one before it, or after it. That coincides with when the delusion promoting waves started This generation got married before the waves started but later as the wave started mid-marriage, they developed unrealistic ideas that they deserve better Whereas a newer generation had rode the wave of delusion since before they started dating, so they don't even ever marry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:31 PM
-6	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise The thing is that due to social media and certain feminist campaigns, the percentages of delusional women are rising beyond just the mentally cray cray. Otherwise mentally sane women now have insane criteria	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:58 PM
1	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise Yeah virtually 1000% of responses on this and anything in this area are some form of a straw man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:10 PM
8	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? "I (mid woman) can't get Chad to commit to me, I have it just as hard as average guys who have to swim through oceans of humiliation and rejection to get a date. Same thing."	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:46 AM
5	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Only true if you compare average women to top 1% men which is what women do. Yes, charismatic (or famous or good looking) men have it way easier than mid women. Average guy vs average woman... Not even close. Absurdly easier to be average woman ve average man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:44 AM
5	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? It is because women have it 10,000x easier. Just like billionaires have it 10,000x easier than the homeless. It's the difference in severity that makes it absurd.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:34 AM
3	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Nobody denies that's true. Just like it's true that billionaires have challenges. Bringing it up in a discussion on homelessness is weird and out of touch tho.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:25 AM
7	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Imagine if someone talked about the challenges of the homeless and someone replied "but billionaires have challenges too!" You wouldn't find that response absurd?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:23 AM
7	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Sure, both billionaires and homeless people have challenges, but saying it like that is absurd.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 06:12 AM
6	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? The "DaTINg iS ChaLlenGinG FoR EvEryOnE" statement. Women's challenges are like a rich celebrity complaining about papparazi. Mens challenges are like starving in a desert. Both have challenges is a joke.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:38 AM
1	In the modern dating age, the first step is the women "choosing the man", often times before he is even aware of it. In this way, women are the true initiators and selectors and men have far less power over the outcome. Yeah it's more like per month	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:23 AM
8	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Women's problem are like the problems of celebrity, men's are like the problems of the homeless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:20 AM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Nah, all women have two sets of standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:57 PM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Wrong again. Spent a decade picking up women, i.e on the fboy side, now no longer young. Fun fact, never had a male friend and all my friends are female. Bet you couldn't guess that one due to all the weird ideological assumptions either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:00 PM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Ah the good old mixed caps quote... The best way to announce you have no logical arguments to provide. Now as opposed to your claims. We actually have the data. The modal average for guys is 2-3 partners, which highly correlates with serial monogamy (i.e. 2-3 serious relationships)... whereas the 1% of distribution curve in men have a 100 partners. The same percentile on the female side (1%) are at only 20 partners. Meaning the top men have 5x as much, that's all coming from the casual sex side.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:54 PM
0	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? Kind of irrelevant when women who message are a more rare sighting than they loch ness monster.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:36 PM
1	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? It's a logical inference. Like 2+2=4 Now many women like to gaslight men because they know regular guys wouldn't be happy with this unfair arrangements, so we hear all these absurd distortions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:01 PM
3	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Sure, interesting then how is it they were always conservative with regular guys? Were they half-mature? And isn't it a funny coincidence that they add the other half of maturity (conservative about fboys?) right at the moment when fboys no longer ask them out. Funny coincidence that one	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 05:54 PM
1	Guys Usually Have Problems With Dating Because of Money, Not How They Look or Act I disagree. Beyond not looking like a bum (not wearing cheap clothes), simply acting like you're money is enough. You don't need the actual money. Except for gold diggers of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 05:21 PM
1	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Wait, there's knowing and then there's knowing. if you just know them, then you don't know what their dating life is like. If they're cool enough to discuss things like each others' sex lives they're cooler than average if women feel that sexually comfortable with them. Have you ever looked at the data? There is actual DATA on this. The modal average for men is 1-2-3 partners in a lifetime. LIFETIME. Meaning they only had sex with 1-2 girlfriends and then a wife. The arithmetic average is higher…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:38 AM
1	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? That's the visibility bias. You only see what you see and don't see what you don't see. Actually regular guys are invisible and your definition of regular scales up to what you actually see (the visible men)	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 02:31 AM
1	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Acquaintances yes, friends no	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/25 12:39 AM
1	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? If they've had casual sex they're not regular guys. Because casual sex requires game, which isn't something regular guys have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 07:23 PM
1	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? That's not realistic at all. If it were regular guys would have experience with casual sex and they don't. No correlation at all???? How can you ask me to assume good faith when you're going to such absurd lengths. Btw I never said hottest guys because it's not about looks. I don't mean regular in terms of looks, but regular in terms of "game", I e not charismatic players.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 07:13 PM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? But it's related, because you're pretending it was about "time of life" versus "type of guy". It's not that she had lots of sex only. She had lots of sex with a different set of guys who make her much wetter than you and she was one of those girls that rejected guys like you. "She didn't reject you personally" is not the point. She was engaging in the process which left guys like you shut out at that age. The process isn't just about age. The process includes rules like "shut out regular guys".	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 06:13 PM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Ok you got me, I secretly spent my life paying for sex like you, I'm just pretending I didn't to make a point. Back to your point. While ive never paid for sex, I can't possibly imagine how it wouldn't be "going through the motions". If she's not excited about banging you and only renting her body to you for resources, I can't imagine that kind of genuine enthusiasm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 06:07 PM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? To be fair I've only experienced the wild sex version. As I've never paid for sex nor ever accepted jumping through hoops. Either she is so attracted that she can't wait to bang me and doesn't need wining and dining and courting, or go find one that does. If a woman wants you to jump through hoops 'or do more' before sex, she's not attracted enough to you. Unfortunately many men resort to this and accept subpar sexual attraction as the norm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 05:46 PM
4	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Don't have to go that far. It's mostly about the level of investment required. When they have sex with fboys it requires minimal investment of time or effort from fboys. His D alone is enough to have sex with him. Whereas regular guys are either completely shut off out, or they are only an option for "serious dating" where they have to provide more than just sex and jump through all kinds of hoops for much less enthusiastic sex. Regular guys are completely shut out of "casual dating".	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 05:43 PM
1	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? But preferences don't change. Women would still prefer a guy who makes them so horny they do wild crazy things... They just have to settle for less exciting guys. Women don't start to prefer less sexy man. That's bs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 04:28 PM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? You're changing the topic. You first said it doesn't happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 04:24 PM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? It happens every day. Most women have a "fun phase". Most guys never have one. Most guys end up marrying a woman who had a fun phase while he didn't get to have one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 04:20 PM
3	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? That's not the same thing at all. Having a woman screwing your brains out like it's her life's mission to drain your DNA vs a woman going through the motions is not the same thing. Whether former slut settling or paid worker.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 04:17 PM
1	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? You're being dishonest again. It isn't only "late bloomers" and "socially stunted" guys who are excluded from girls' experimentation phases. In general women do their sexy phases with guys above their league. Basically female fives hookup with male eights. When they can't get them to commit they settle for guys their own level (and produce dead bedrooms)	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 03:32 PM
3	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? They're not trying to get with him sexually, but do they marry them for protection and provision.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 03:25 PM
3	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Yeah exactly. She's just as unexcited about johnny average as she was when she was in her "hoe phase", but now she needs someone to provide, so she declares herself "mature and conservative" to justify the dead bedroom. If fboys hit on her, she'd cheat on johnny in a nanosecond and recreate those same porn scenes all over again.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 02:55 PM
3	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Sure they can get laid. Not with fboys though. When women get older they can still get laid, but no longer with guys who make them wet and give them that desire to act out pornographic scenes. So they "become conservative"	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 12:57 PM
5	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Except she was conservative with regular guys back in her fun phase too. That's the part guys mind. Fun phase: She acts like a pornstar with fboys, acts conservative with regular guys When she ages: Acts conservative with regular guys, no longer chosen by fboys... Pretends it was her choice and her values changed Convenient how her values changed at the exact time when fboys move onto younger models	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 12:51 PM
4	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? No, because they settle down with a guy they wouldn't have even replies to back in their fun casual days. He wasn't good enough for that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 12:31 PM
2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? I didn't get your point. Can you clarify in a more readable manner?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 12:18 PM
-2	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Nobody said partners need to be treated the same. It's just that a committed relationship is an investment for guys and they don't want to make that investment into a woman who isn't that into them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 08:24 AM
-3	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? This is a dishonest take. It's not that women do that mind of stuff for a period of time and move on. That implies they do this in general, omitting the main factors, namely that women do that kind of stuff with certain kinds of men. You realize guys were younger at one point as well? They saw girls their age for through that phase and exclude regular guys from it and do it with fboys only, right? Do you think guys are blind? Also it's awfully "convenient" that women "move past that kind of stuf…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 08:23 AM
5	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? Because they want to know that the attraction is genuine. If you did 10x more adventurous and wild things with a precious partner, that means you're settling for him. You think of him as settling. Nobody wants to be a consolation prize. All guys want to be the guy you would bang even if you knew you'd only get a one night stand out of and never see again. If he's not attractive enough for a one night stand, she's not the right girl to commit to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 08:18 AM
7	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? I feel that's a dishonest take, because men were that age too and noticed how women treat different classes or guys. When guys are in their 20s they notice that girls their age are super unrestrictive with fboys but act like a nun with regular guys. So when later they marry a regular guy, saying "oh I was unrestrictive in general" is an absolute lie. I mean there are women who are unrestrictive in general, but those are a minority. What men have an issue with is that women exclude from the casua…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 08:16 AM
0	Saying the average man isn't struggling with dating is like saying the average woman doesn't get raped Guys stumbling into a relationship aren't in the "not struggling category". Many of those in a relationship also struggled before a chick decided to "adopt them" because she decided she needs a boyfriend, just for formal reasons. They're in not-very-passionate (and low frequency of sex) relationships where they worship the ground she walks on because they can't even imagine how theyd find another if she dumped them. Tl;dr guys struggling with women are definitely more than just that 38%. Many of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 08:17 AM
10	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. Why do so many of you use "social skill" as a euphemism for game? It's a completely different skillset. You can have all the social skills (you know, ones used for SOCIALIZING) and not know how to skillfully suggest casual sex. That comes from dating a lot. Again, not socializing a lot, but attempting to and getting laid a lot. Different skillsets.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 05:53 PM
23	If you cant admit you want a hookup, dont get angry you cant get immediate sex from your date. I can't tell if she's dishonest on purpose or completely oblivious. But none of the guys that women sleep with on the first date do this "explicitly asking for a hookup" stuff. So I have no idea what she's talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 05:50 PM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. They're not caveats, they're asking for PRECISION. Because like the typical feminist you try to bury gaslighting under vagueness. I'm asking you to DEFINE what you are saying PRECISELY, so that you cannot hide behind the vagueness. We have to DEFINE what it is that we're discussing before we can discuss it. For example: No man on the planet disagrees that after you've had sex once, women can get quite bold in how they show their enthusiasm for your d. No man on the planet disagrees that a larger…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 04:06 PM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Ok, that's all I wanted to know. You believe that a woman, if interested in having sex with you, will do things such as: grabbing your d and dragging you by it verbally say things like "I want your cock inside me" "can't wait to f you" And if she doesn't do things at this level of explicitness, she doesn't want to have sex with you. If this were true (that all women who want to have sex with you) show enthusiasm so boldly, everyone would have this criteria just like you do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 03:53 PM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. You keep refusing to answer the question. I'm asking you how often does it happen that if a young woman wants to have sex with a new person that she displays SUCH level of enthusiasm THAT boldly. Just give me a freaking answer. Is it most of the time, some of the time, rarely? There's a reason I ask that question, and there's a reason you refuse to answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 03:17 PM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. My point is that the percentage of young, non ugly women who are THAT explicit with a new guy isn't very high. Can you finally answer the question? Do you believe that all (or at least most) young women when they want to have sex with an average guy are going to be this explicit about it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:23 AM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Yes, that is the ideal all men would love to have happen any time a new woman wants to have sex with them. But I posit that the percentage of non ugly women who are that explicit isn't very high. You keep dodging the question. I don't even know what we're debating, when you won't even clarify what your claim is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 06:05 AM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Ok, awesome. So can you now, finally specific about what your actual claim or goal is. Please be specific. Are you saying that a woman only wants to have sex with you if she is THIS aggressive and explicit? (D grabbing, verbally talking about how much she wants to f you etc) If no. What percentage of women who want to bang a man for the first time are this explicit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 05:51 AM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. I have as well, many times. Not on a first date though. Just to clarify: This is a woman you've never been intimate with before, correct? And she grabbed your d before you initiated sex. She initiated it by grabbing your d and leasing you to the bedroom?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 05:47 AM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Ok, give me an example of comparable enthusiasm that doesn't involve her explicitly talking about how much she wants to f you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 05:41 AM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Wait "have sex as fast as possible"? Are you trying to sneak in a topic change? Are you trying to say sex is only consensual if a woman is horny to the point she wants to have sex as fast as humanly possible? Let's be specific here about what you're saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 05:19 AM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Ok, so it's the same thing then. Just more phrasings? What percentage of women who want to have sex with a man will go out and blurt out a phrase like this? Are you claiming it's 100%? Let's get really specific.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 05:11 AM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. "I have no idea why you think attractiveness relates to horniness and enthusiasm." It doesn't. It does however relate to risk taking. Beautiful women can afford to choose the strategy of being more subtle. Ugly women have to be more aggressive. Feminists (an interest group for ugly women) have an inherent interest in promoting the idea that you should err toward more sexually aggressive women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 09:14 PM
1	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. I'm asking you so that I UNDERSTAND what it is that you're saying. I want to know what you're saying precisely. Comparable enthusiasm? I don't think anything comes close to a woman blurting out "I want your cock inside me" and then ripping her clothes off, but do share. Curious to learn.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 09:05 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Ok, so the scenario is: a non ugly, sober, young woman who's never been intimate with you ever before will go ahead and blurt out "I want your cock in me", and start ripping her clothes off. What percentage of women who want to have sex with a man will do this? Are you claiming it's 100%? Let's get really specific.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 07:18 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Ok reading your exact words now... You said that a woman should be "Telling you that she wants to get on your d so bad"... Seriously. An average not ugly, not old woman tells the average guy she's never been intimate with that "She wants to get on his D sooo bad"... You feminists don't get how many problems you create by being hyperbolic. Like did you have to exaggerate this much? As for why it doesn't happen. One of the main reasons is that young women are afraid of being seen as slutty or easy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 06:24 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Hey, don't you play that game. You didn't merely say just enthusiastic. You said "BEGGING for your d and and can't wait to RIP your clothes off" level of enthusiasm. The closer a woman is to your looks-match, the rarer this is, and also the younger the people in this situation. Younger people aren't that sexually expressive. Ugly and or older women are pretty aggressive. As are women who've been invited to a celebrity's house or a guy 6-7 levels above them in looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 05:44 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Dude I just outlined. Did you read my reply in full or not? Are you saying that it's normal for a SOBER, attractive (i.e. not ugly) woman to initiate FIRST SEX EVER with a new guy in this comical porn like fashion? Let me REMIND YOU: Were not talking about a second or third sexual encounter. But the first one ever. For two people who have never been sexual with each other before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 04:47 PM
–	The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. Why wouldn't you want a woman begging for your d and ripping your clothes off? It's not about want, it's about whether it's realistic coming from a woman you've never been intimate with before. - NOTE, in most of these cases we're talking about the first sexual encounter between two people, i.e this is a person you've never been intimate with before * In the real world the only time attractive women do that porn-like "beg for your d" stuff is if they've already been intimate with you before. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/24 03:54 PM
1	What is meant by "women live on easy mode"? It's easy mode offline. Men literally have to do all the work and initiate everything. Doesn't matter if the first approach is online or a hello offline. Men literally have to do ALL THE WORK. There's like a 100 mini steps from hello to things becoming romantic, and men are expected to do ALL OF THEM, and take a risk of being judged harshly at every step if they god forbid do them with any less than James bond suaveness. Doesn't matter if the first 1-3 steps happen online or offline. Women are l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 12:08 PM
21	Besides "clubs" or "bars" where are the most appropriate places to approach women? How would one go about it? Parks, bus stops and stores. If you learned to approach women in stores you'd have more dating prospects than you'd ever have time to date. There's an endless line of prospects, they love being approached in a store and it always goes well	/r/seduction	19/12/24 05:29 AM
18	"Bar for men is on the floor" - Is this a real statement or just a tongue in cheek phrase meant to aggravate men? Sure, in theory it is possible you haven't witnessed the hundreds of thousands of comments from feminists saying that, so you're genuinelly not gaslighting, just somehow managed to not see them. Others can decide if they believe you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 01:38 PM
23	"Bar for men is on the floor" - Is this a real statement or just a tongue in cheek phrase meant to aggravate men? At this point I think many are feeling gaslit by your comments... Reddit and all online forums (from medium to anywhere really) are filled with feminists saying that only a completely defunct defective man would ever have even the slightest of challenge in dating. In fact, they take it to the extreme. "If you're a man and not swimming in dates, just be a decent human being, and take a shower."	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:16 PM
4	Men should generally never take dating advice from women. I disagree. Even attractive men get dumped when they start acting needy and supplicating. Most women's advice is: be needy. It hurts attractive guys just as much	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 04:13 AM
1	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships It's more to do with levels. Women only hit on guys above their own level. Attractive girls are just as likely to hit on guys as less attractive girls. The difference is the below average girls hit on average guys, and attractive girls hit on billionaires, celebrities and chads.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 10:55 PM
2	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships I think this explains why feminists claim you should wait for women to throw themselves at you. But unless you're Chad, the only women who throw themselves at you are ..	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 10:50 PM
1	Literally no man is “mad that women can choose their partners now.” This has absolutely nothing to do with TRP or men’s frustrations whatsoever and needs to stop being used as a deflection. Nobody is saying people shouldn't be allowed to make bad choices. It's just that the discussion is shut down anytime anyone points out that women might be making bad choices. There's a knee jerk response "oh so you want to lock women up and choose men for them'. The fact is that most women have extremely warped views of what is normal, and end up in one situationship after another with the fboys. And nobody is allowed to point out that she might have blinders on and ignoring the 95% of guys who …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/24 08:59 AM
1	Women Don’t Care If You’re a Player Because They Know Most Men Would They're not always cheaters, but they are always not monogamous (sticking to just one girl). Sometimes they pick the cheater route, sometimes they tell the girl they spin multiple plates. There are zero players who are only seeing one girl at a time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 11:58 AM
5	Women Don’t Care If You’re a Player Because They Know Most Men Would I've definitely noticed that it's always average girls who proudly claim they don't care about wealth and aren't really into pursuing wealthy guys. I've never seen a girl who can actually get wealthy guys say that, only girls who have no chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 11:56 AM
2	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before Really, please inform the feminists who keep passing laws and rules that say IT IS HARASSMENT. http://matingselfishness.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/asking-for-a-date-now-illegal-flirting-as-well/ Don't play that bullshit "how is it codified in the feminist movement" - WE ARE NOT BUYING IT. An idiotic or harmful law that gets passed by feminists doesn't have to be "CODIFIED BY 1000000% of all feminists EVERYWHERE" in order for us to criticize it as being borne out of feminism. It only needs to be su…	/r/MensRights	25/04/14 03:51 AM
3	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before "You didn't read the post I responded to..." Yes he did, that's why he knows you're lying. I never said "every single female ever born on planet earth at all times in history". I said "females do x" - which is generalization applying to the vast majority of females. The fact that an obese smelly feminist keeps grabbing my crotch in Dance class doesn't invalidate the fact that the GENERAL FEMALE ROLE is to be coy, passive and lazy. Exceptions prove rules, not disprove them. FACT And MY reply was …	/r/MensRights	25/04/14 03:45 AM
3	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before Its typical of a feminist to manipulate language and pretend to misread. She knows full well that the vast majority of cute, hot, feminine women expect the man to do all the work and are coy. (even a large percentage of masculine, obese feminists still expect the man to take all the risks) Even the majority of feminist activists openly admit they prefer the traditional role in mating. Non-lazy, pro-active women are a rarity even among the most hardcore of feminists. ===Khan's tatic=== She first …	/r/MensRights	25/04/14 03:40 AM
3	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before Its typical of any feminist ad-hominize any discussion on general trends in society. If a feminists points that women have the disprivilege of dealing with "unwanted attention" [A FUCKING GENERALIZATION] When a man points out that this GENERAL issue comes out of the GENERAL SYSTEM that WOMEN HAVE GENERALLY set up [a fucking generalization too] - the immediate retort is to personalize the discussion. Kuba-khan... BRAD PITT GETS MIXED SIGNALS* GEORGE CLOONEY GETS WOMEN PLAYING HARD TO GET *Jennife…	/r/MensRights	25/04/14 03:25 AM
2	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before ---> "knowing full well the answer will be no" Here's a question I've asked of feminists on this topic for 5 years and never got an answer to. CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC! I have no issue with feminists trying to dictate dating rules. The issue I have is that its all vague "It's harassment when you do it wrong, but you're not allowed to know what wrong is, you should JUST KNOW TELEPATHICALLY" AT WHICH point is it ok to make a move, and which point is it harassment? Where do you define it? Is asking a gi…	/r/MensRights	24/04/14 04:50 AM
7	Gather round boys, Miss Marcotte is providing us her lesson on the social graces a boy must follow to ask a girl on a date and not be seen as a cad. Oh EvilPundit, your hair is mussed! Fix that before Any discussion on "dating etiquette and gender" is AUTOMATICALLY DIS-GENUINE if it doesn't mention these three facts of female mating arrogance: 1) Females of our species are lazy and passive, waiting for the man to take all the initiative and risk 2) Females of our species SPECIFICALLY and PURPOSEFULLY send mixed and plausibly deniable signals where it can't be proven if she was interested, or was simply acting "friendly". In fact being the arrogant risk-and-rejection diverters that our human f…	/r/MensRights	24/04/14 04:38 AM
6	The Tiger Analogy (Plausible Deniability is Sadistic and Cruel) You completely misread the analogy. It's not about "rejection", it's about plausible deniability. It's about the games women play to proactively lie about and hide their interest. It's about how even after you've shown your interest in a woman, and she is also interested, she pretends not to be, keeps you guessing and tries to put all the responsibility on you for making things happen.	/r/MensRights	11/05/13 10:47 AM
4	Non-fatal suicidal behaviour, with links I have a response to this argument MRA: Men commit 400% more suicides than women Feminist: But women make more attempts statistically! MRA: Are you implying that women are less capable than men statistically and aren’t able to kill themselves? Are you saying women are less capable than men!? So… The double bind I’ve put the feminist with my retort is this… A) If she says “well yeah, women are just as capable as men to commit suicide if they really wanted to” -> THEN she has to admit the real rea…	/r/MensRights	13/03/12 06:21 AM
1	It's time to wake the A up in MRA-Let's sue the SPLC for libel Sure, but they posted a lot of blatantly and objective false information too. While you're right that "hate group" is subjective, SPLC overshot its load and also said some actual lies. Also - it's not about winning, it's about making a stand, plus publicity for the MRA. This can be used to go on all the conservative and libertarian talk shows.	/r/MensRights	09/03/12 11:20 PM
5	It's time to wake the A up in MRA-Let's sue the SPLC for libel AVfM can make that case.	/r/MensRights	09/03/12 11:18 PM
12	Wolf-whistling 'could be made illegal' under new European convention From the daily version of the article... Also among the clauses is one that will outlaw 'unwanted verbal, non-verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature with the purpose or effect of violating the dignity of a person, in particular when creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment'. Not vague at all... Now approaching, flirting with and asking women out will be a potential crime in all areas and contexts. Can someone please explain to me how this doesn't …	/r/MensRights	09/03/12 09:52 AM
2	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. Feminists are amazing at trying to univerzalize their preference. Whatever approach they prefer from a man is the ONLY right approach. It's funny, they often talk of diversity, but nobody denies female diversity of thought more than feminists. What I find funny is when they say "I'm a woman, and you should listen to me!!!" - Do they assume none of us have female friends, cousins etc? I mean, a man would have to not have left his house for decades to believe feminist homogenization. Any experienc…	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:23 AM
0	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. You sir deserve a prize. I'm so quoting you on this.	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:18 AM
1	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. Yep. I dare any columnist writing a "this jerk dared say hello to me" type-of-column, say the same thing if she had Barrack Obama, Brad Pitt or George Clooney say hi to her in the EXACT same locations, exact same body-language, exact same timing, exact same voice tonality.	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:18 AM
4	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. That's very true. I have and many others have noticed that it is never the social, charming and/or beatiful women who act rude upon a hello or an approach. Ever notice it's the ugly girls or socially screwed-up ones that react the worst? The truth is, a successful interaction takes two. Insecure people even in general try to project fault onto to the other as it is - but if an insecure person happens to be female, she has a few more excuses provided by society. She is given a list of ways and ex…	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:15 AM
2	My comment on the Feministe.us 'men saying hello to women is now sexist' thread will probably not pass moderation but I put some work into it so I want to share. I'm pretty sure the NOW will eventually try to petition for the right to be comfortable to be added to some bill of human rights.	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:09 AM
-1	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Someone the other day told me that feminism is based on wild paranoid conspiracy theories... Interesting... I walked into an elevator, and another person did too. OMG I AM BEING FOLLOWED!!! ALIENS ARE TRYING TO ABDUCT ME OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know about you, but 80% of the time I go into an elevator anywhere in any country/building someone happens to enter the elevator at the same time. Omg I have so many followers. Should I buy a vest? Are they trying to assasinate me? OMG OMG OMG	/r/MensRights	07/08/11 12:00 AM
0	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... You can pull this bullshit on someone who hasn't researched this stuff. After having seen the bullshit "basic social cues" trope tactic pulled by feminists I decided to research it. So far I've researched a dozen studies, and they all show that reading women's cues is always guess work. Guess what, there's studies that show even WOMEN can't read what cues OTHER women are giving. WOMEN ARE NO BETTER at telling what another woman is signalling than are men. Are the women in on the patriarchal cons…	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 11:52 PM
1	Why the Gender Gap Won't Go Away How does the US labour department sound as as reputable source?	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 03:52 PM
-2	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Some people take humiliation in stride. You're changing the topic. You're doing a bait and switch. The topic was not how someone responds to feeling certain feeling. The topic was what feeling is induced by the inducer. The point was: ---> Publicly mocking, ridiculing, AND LABELING SOMEONE A RAPIST, CHILD MOLESTER and ganging up on someone with CREEP/rapist charges (etc) has a 100% chance of making that person feel uncomfortable and humiliated. . . . ---> Chatting up SOMEONE in an elevator has a…	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 03:02 AM
0	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... I'm not sure you understand what a non sequitur is. "It can be" seems like it follows a question "Are you implying that a thing is bad?" pretty directly. There's two types of non-sequitor. Not just the logical fallacy one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(literary_device) But you're right. I edited out non-sequitor to have it be clearer. The article lost me when you showed a picture of 6 people around a small >table and said that only 2 of them would be able to hear anything she said. …	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 02:43 AM
-4	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... BULLSHIT comparison. One requires TELEPATHY, and the other one doesn't. Some women prefer being approached in private. Some prefer being approached in the middle of a big group. Some women are afraid when approached in a DIRECT manner. Some women are afraid when approached in an INDIRECT manner. Some women prefer to be approached in public wide spaces, other women HATE and freeze up when approached in those SAME spaces. For a man to know WHAT type of approach would make a woman experience a cert…	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 02:36 AM
3	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... It can be. It depends a lot on the context. It's possible to say "Hey, I > don't want to be hit on right now" without being an anti-sex zealot. That is true, but it's also unrelated. She didn't say "guys attending this conference, do NOT offer me sex" so that they guy would have known to not to do it. TELEPATHY DOESN'T EXIST - and people reviewed all her lectures. She never said it. My article looks into the lie that she's ever said "nobody ever hit on me" and that he was supposed to know that.	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 02:16 AM
0	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... I'm just saying the fear of potential assault is a little different when someone is asking you to >their hotel room, rather than to a coffee shop. So? Fear is a very individual and subjective thing It would be impossible to rape someone in a coffee shop, but not impossible to rape someone > in a hotel room. You're basically saying that if he FIRST asked her out to coffee in a cofee-house, and only tried fucking her after they had had 2 public dates, that's less rape-risky, coz she'd have had 2 p…	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 12:45 AM
2	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Often when I rant about guys who's dishonesty pissed me off enough to rant, I start out the rant with the phrase "so get this, some dude did xyz". Does that mean I am a man-hater too now? OMG I didn't know that. Turns out I hate 7 billion people now. Wow that's fascinating. And you ascertained this claim because of my the use of the phrases "get this, some dude" and "get this, some chick". WOW!!! You're good! Armchair telepathic psycho-analysis is truly something you've grandmastered.	/r/MensRights	06/08/11 12:24 AM
-7	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Bla bla bla bla. It's my ranty blog for my ranty rants. I wrote it for me and my close friends. Never PUBLISHED it to other sites or linked to it anywhere. Other people randomly discovered my blog-rant and linked to it. I do happen to also write as a contributing author to other non-blog sites. When I publish to those sites I submit higher-quality more mainstream-languaged writing. If you want to however edit MY personal rant-blog and tell me how to write my personal rants, kindly go fuck yourse…	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 10:29 PM
4	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... So? Even if A) He WAS asking for sex B) Are you implying that honest, genuine, sincere ASKING a woman if she wants to do something is bad? WTF? Since when is asking if someone would want to do something a bad thing?!? This is news to me! Would you prefer he lied, gamed or manipulated her into sex? Since WHEN is: A) Having sex a bad thing? Are you some sort of an anti-sex hating zealot? B) Since when is sincerity a bad thing? HUH?	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 10:26 PM
1	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... I didn't dismiss her based on her looks. I implied her looks were the motivations for her trying to get attention. And she tried to get that attention by humiliating some shy guy. And she didn't care that she was hurting a probably-merely-socially-akward-guy. For all we know, she might have even driven him to suicide.	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 09:57 PM
-2	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Yes, as we know, this is a very solid evidence that someone hates 3.5 billion people. If you are able to distinguish studs from ugly guys, does that make you a man-hater? Or do you believe all men are equally handsome?	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 09:56 PM
-1	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Please elaborate how this article is evidence that I hate 3.5 billion people? I use the same harsh-language whenever I write about intellectually dishonest people. If you don't believe me, look at my comments on game-frauds, and PUA frauds. I use equally harsh language when ranting against those frauds. If you want me to use nice-language when talking about this fraud - then you would be asking me to give her PREFERENTIAL treatment and treat her better than I treat male frauds.	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 09:55 PM
11	You know Rebecca Watson, who equated being politely invited to coffee with rape? Well, (surprise of surprises) She LIED to cover her tracks... Bullshit. I've picked up 2 female strangers in an elevator out of 3 attempts, and the one I didn't pick up is good friends with me now. The problem dorama is that Watson universalized her own neurosis as being a supposed WomanKind-preference. -> She, Watson, is a rape-paranoid-freak. So she has a preference that she be asked out with 50 people watching. -> Some other women Prefer that you propose in private, because they feel more comfortable if they don't feel like they're judged by onlookers. …	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 09:49 PM
7	Tweaking the Nose of Radical Feminism I believe the photo is supposed to represent "radical feminism", not the author of the article. Way to project there.	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 05:22 PM
1	Oh, oh, oh, Jamie's lyin' Canada is large and has many ISPs. It means the propagation hasn't reached his ISP yet. He can browse it using an american proxy though.	/r/MensRights	05/08/11 03:12 PM