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one of my exes was shorter than me by about 3-4 inches oh, and for the bonus question, 33%. I've dated 3 men, one shorter, one my exact height (5'9), and one taller
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 09:05 PM
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a kink is just something you associate with sexual arousal/pleasure, often at an early age; the more you think about it/perform the kinky act when masturbating or having sex, the stronger the association gets. it's conditioning. there was an experiment done in the 60s where they took a group of subjects (men) and showed them pictures of boots followed by pictures of naked ladies. it didn't take long before the men associated boots with arousal (developed a boot fetish).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 03:14 PM
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what you're saying is counter to everything that makes TRP "the red pill". the entire point of TRP is that RPs are "unplugged" from the feminist agenda and understand "the truth" about women and society. if TRP's stance is now "well, it might not be true but we don't really care" then the debate is pretty much over
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 02:57 PM
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it was a trap all along
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 11:06 PM
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they wouldn't get along with sluts on the contrary, they bang sluts on the regular. then they brag about having casual sex with a stranger, while shaming people who have casual sex with strangers. only it's different because they say so biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 08:35 PM
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As a recreational rapist did you not get enough attention when you pulled this line out the last time?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 08:27 PM
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and? if they're all liked by <.01% of FB users I still don't see how that makes posts like OP's "normalized in mainstream female culture"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 08:10 PM
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lots of people use FB (FB is mainstream) compared to how many people use FB, few people liked that crazy FB page (that FB page is not mainstream) kinda how like subreddits aren't automatically mainstream even though they are on a mainstream website
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 07:43 PM
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Mainstream refers to a current of thought that is presently widespread considering how many people use Facebook, a page with 100k likes is not mainstream enough for me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 07:16 PM
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Your definition of mainstream isn't popular posts on face book yours is? maybe you should get off facebook
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 06:05 PM
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they reek of attention-whore ism. nothing says "I need external validation" quite like a 1.5 k word essay about how you had sex last night
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 06:04 PM
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my point is that I wasn't "itching for a fight," I just expected replying RPs to "explain away" the video, and I was trying to understand if you were taking a position or just posing rhetorical questions to the aether
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 10:44 PM
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"explain away" means "1. : to get rid of by or as if by explanation. 2.: to minimize the significance of by or as if by explanation " so expecting RPs to refute it isn't exactly outside the scope of the post
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 10:21 PM
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I was just trying to understand your point in the context of the post. OP was asking for a refutation of the video, and you seem to be saying that in modern society there are few if any direct consequences to defecting that affect the defector, so defecting is the optimal strategy. have I misunderstood?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 10:06 PM
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so your point is, there are generally no consequences to defecting (that affect the defector) so it's best to just do whatever you want and to hell with everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 09:56 PM
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on that we agree
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 07:17 PM
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You are going on a date to obtain sexual relations yeah. I wouldn't take a ONS to a restaurant with a dress code though. if she's more than a ONS, it's an investment in the relationship. I find this hard to believe. [sigh...] (http://i.imgur.com/QwASiwZ.png) if you still don't believe me just look it up yourself. my opinions are formed from women actually working in the industry. as are mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 04:50 PM
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You've still paid to go to a fancy restaurant you wouldn't have gone to otherwise though. ok... but you're still getting a fancy ass meal for your money. if you don't want to shell out, go somewhere else. virtually no escorts or hobbyists use Adult Work in the US and besides, it's not any safer than posting an ad on BP. it seems like you're the one who is out of touch
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 04:26 PM
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so... you agree that paying for a prostitute and taking a girl out are two different things. ok. thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 04:09 PM
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I think you are lying to yourself. oh shit, you got me. now I suddenly understand the error of my ways. please baptise me in red pills Why don't you just state it as such? because that's not what I meant. all things the same I would rather date "a man who can't attract women" who hasn't visited a prostitute versus "a man who can't attract women" who has visited a prostitute. it's not that I don't want a guy who has to pay for sex, it's that I don't want a guy who wants to pay for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 03:49 PM
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Either way you're paying for it. so if the girl pays for her half, suddenly it's different right "average working girls" post on backpage or walk the street offering $20 BJs. they "screen" for safety and LE, but if you think most prostitutes enjoy their work or look at most of their clients with anything but disgust, you're delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 03:48 PM
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Do you also think people get drugs by going to the ghetto and asking around? lol. do you think there aren't open air markets in large cities where people do in fact literally drive up to the corner guy? you guys are naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 03:47 PM
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BDSM is still based on mutual enjoyment
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 03:38 PM
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Couldn't you make this argument about any sexual encounter? "If you didn't take her out to dinner, she wouldn't have fucked you." no. maybe you could, but explicitly paying a professional to provide a service is different to me than engaging in a courting ritual I get it, you have friends who are "high end" escorts. that's a lot different than the average working girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 03:03 PM
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but the fact remains, if money weren't involved, they wouldn't fuck those men. personally I could never fuck a prostitute for that reason alone, and I wouldn't want to be with a man who could. that's leaving aside the fact that you can never really know if the sex worker you're visiting isn't being coerced. If they don't like someone because they're too creepy or seems dangerous or something they'll turn the business down. yeah... because streetwalkers are notorious for being picky. you have a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:50 PM
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I want to meet the woman that sends nudes to her boyfriend after he implies he's going to cheat on her for a month. seriously. because that shit would not fly with me or anyone I know
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:33 PM
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the ability of (some) men to even maintain an erection when they know full well the other person has no interest in having sex with them baffles me. sex should be about mutual pleasure and enjoyment, and anybody I have sex with should view it similarly. I do not want a partner who is okay with fucking someone who views them as, at best, a paycheck. I think prostitution should be legal and I wouldn't shame a guy for seeking their services. I just wouldn't date him. I'd rather date a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:23 PM
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25, 3
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 02:47 PM
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dude what is your damage? I get it, you want to argue with someone, so go pick someone else's comment to read too much into and then get offended by it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/15 05:59 PM
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you're twisting my words. I speak only for myself, and I said "if"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/15 04:57 PM
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okay. and?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/15 01:53 PM
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I didn't mean stuff like dressing up to see grandma or being polite in the workplace. I mean if he genuinely had a completely different personality around me compared to everyone else, that it's all an act and when I'm not around he's a total dick to everyone or something. that would bother me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/15 01:47 PM
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I watched it before, but didn't give it my full attention. thanks for the explanation, it makes a lot of sense. the answers in that thread were not what I expected, I find it weird how BPs tend to recommend therapy when the purpose of therapy is also to learn how to better follow the script. in reality maybe they'd feel the same way about a guy who "needs therapy to be a decent human being" /s theres a guy here with flair that says "PPD turned me red" and now I see how
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/15 02:08 AM
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well sorry you misunderstood me, I thought I was clear
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 10:50 PM
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no, I don't. I have no idea why you thought me saying "if I found out my SO was manipulating me, I would be upset" meant "if I found out my SO improved himself, I would be upset". the very reason I included the word "truly" was to differentiate self-improvement from actual manipulation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 10:36 PM
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I need to listen to this again when I'm not busy but is he basically saying that people speak in veiled terms because of the potential negative social consequences of direct speech?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 08:56 PM
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I actually agree with you... the replies in that thread are weird, they're tantamount to "self-improvement is manipulative." I admit I had a knee-jerk reaction initially because one thing I love about my SO is his (perceived) genuineness. if I found out he truly was being manipulative, I'd be pissed. but, idk, I've changed a lot in the past 5 years, my SO probably wouldn't even like "5 years ago me" so it would be stupid to get upset over him reading a guide on how2date especially because I bene…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 04:59 PM
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I spent a long time thinking about this question and I guess at the end of the day it shouldn't matter where personality traits come from. what's the difference between hearing and adopting "dress well" from TRP vs a different subreddit vs your gym buddy vs a therapist vs your mom? nothing, if you really have adopted that personality trait. IMO a personality trait is only "fake" if it appears only around certain individuals or in certain situations. if my SO acted one way around me, and a differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 04:38 PM
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because he read about it on TRP, and that's the spin they put on it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 04:53 PM
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average guy. I'm an average looking girl. it works
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 04:49 PM
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it's considered a paraphilia. so, basically, it's their fetish
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:31 PM
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because people double down when confronted with evidence counter to their beliefs: In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 01:09 AM
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boobs
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 05:26 PM
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nah. the real irony is OP praising (pedestalizing) RPW for "embracing femininity" and being nice, submissive women and then directly linking to a post in which the OP is an unrelenting, judgemental harpy. there's also irony in this: Just because RPW like the idea of the Captain/First Mate dynamic and YOU don't, doesn't make THEM bad people coming from the same mouth that derides "filthy sluts". being disdainful towards people makes them disdainful of you. who would have thought
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 05:16 PM
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you're basically saying you act ladylike around your guy and then behind his back you act differently. it's just interesting to know you have two disparate personalities
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 12:53 AM
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oh so you're just pretending to be feminine
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 12:27 AM
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so RPW are just regular women with a superiority complex
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 11:59 PM
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yes but RPW are supposed to be lady like, feminine, submissive so what part of being a judgy, catty special snowflake who goes on the internet to humblebrag about how many dicks she hasn't sucked falls under these adjectives?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 11:53 PM
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No shit. I'm not the one judging people for their lifestyles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 11:39 PM
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it's the disdain with which they view people who don't subscribe to their lifestyle. that post in particular boils down to "look at me and how not like these sluts I am."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 11:01 PM
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not only will they wrong others not only will they wrong others "wrong" is a moral judgement. all the hamstering in the world won't change that and ah yes, the "individual poster's opinion." the upvotes and comments agreeing with him don't count, natch. oh, and just because he mentioned le magic buzzword amorality, that negates his point about immoral behavior yes, seriously. retire your hamster, he's not doing a good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 09:56 PM
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look harder. the part about good and evil is in the OP. it took me 2 minutes to find 1. An example of a RP post using moral language 2. A RP post by a "Vanguard" shunning RPs who hide behind "amorality" when committing immoral acts. RP is just as judgemental as BP, you just pretend to be above it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 09:47 PM
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lol, a natural subconscious behavior is now "blue pill faggotry." okay. on a side note I'm enjoying how much RPs are bickering with one another in that thread
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 09:31 PM
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I snort 7 moralities erry day tho the quote literally mentions "good and evil". do you even know who Marcus Aurelius was? does the OP of that TRP post? ETA: I had a little time so I found a quote from an upvoted TRP post from last year: Not only do women believe themselves to be perfect little angels, but if you were to accuse them of doing something wrong, they become deeply hurt. They actually, really, truly do believe themselves to be just in all that they do. And they don't think they're bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 09:29 PM
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TRP avoids value and moral judgments like 'good' and 'bad' like the plague. are you fucking kidding me? there is a sticky on the front page that quotes Marcus Aurelius: When you wake up in the morning, tell yourself: The people I deal with today will be meddling, ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest, jealous, and surly. They are like this because they can’t tell good from evil. Love it. Something to always keep in mind so that you're not caught by surprise and thrown off balance. those sure sound lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 09:17 PM
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Anyway, the thrust of it was that TRP basically represents the cult of the penis. Whatever the penis likes, is good. Whatever the penis doesn't like is inherently bad. So, basically it's fine to spit on and mock people the penis doesn't like, because they are literally bad people. Follow this forward to feminists, whores etc. It's fine to mock them, laugh at their suffering because the penis knows all and judges all. makes a lot of sense
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 09:10 PM
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resentment is like eating rat poison expecting the rat to die. what good does it do anyone to go around resenting everyone that's hurt them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 10:18 PM
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holding onto anger turns it into resentment. a lot of RPs seem to not only be angry, but resentful towards everything that reminds them of the lies they were told (women and feminism).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 05:42 PM
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because I don't like being angry. I'd much rather not be. when you walk around constantly seething under the surface it'll boil over eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 02:56 PM
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That is what he's saying though. Unless it's illegal, he doesn't care. Most reasonable people, yes, but there are tons of bullies in the adult world. Bullies who fuck 10 women and lie to them all, and get praise heaped upon them. I'm done with this sub. I'm done trying to explain empathy to people who just want to circlejerk about their own lack of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 11:21 PM
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Seems like arbitrary and dangerous ground to stand on. A teenage boy and a teenage girl have sex. In some states, he is a statutory rapist. In others, he's not. Which morality do you uphold? Better yet, a woman is raped. In some regions her rapist must marry her. Surely according to your logic, we should uphold this moral standard
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 11:02 PM
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Lol. Upholding the law is literally policing morality. If someone stole from you, you'd report it, because you are judging their action to be wrong and in need of rectifying. Or are you telling me you'd let it slide because you don't "police morality"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 10:40 PM
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Did you read this whole thread? He's not willing to condemn immoral acts, or stand up for the victim... Unless he's the one being victimized, apparently. Then suddenly morality is important. It's disingenuous, hypocritical, and frankly cowardly to get on your high horse and claim to be above calling someone else's behavior immoral until they're doing it to you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 09:27 PM
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(as is often advocated by those who see that situation as "of course she has to lie - he's a shallow, insecure possible hypocrite for even caring in the first place!"). yeah, that's crazy, but so is arguing that the terms "player" and "lying whore" are interchangeable. there is a reason RPs don't call cheating men "lying assholes."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 07:54 PM
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I think BP/PP reasoning will be really similar to yours it helps clarify my reasoning and position when I have to defend it from people with a vested interest in tearing it down it is sobering to realize how narcissistic some people are maybe what I write could convince someone, somewhere, to ignore RPs when they say crazy shit like "all women want to be raped" yes, I like to argue. if you're in a debate sub and you don't like to argue, you're in the wrong place I need to stop coming here tho. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 07:16 PM
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wow. so you'd be okay with someone stealing from you because they're just following their own moral compass? you wouldn't judge someone for hitting your wife if they thought she deserved it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 06:59 PM
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oh, I was being sarcastic. I know you exist. I'm not sure deti does
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 06:23 PM
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if only there were a middle ground, where men could take the best parts of BP advice and the best parts of RP advice and enjoy fulfilling relationships with the opposite sex without being taken advantage of or taking advantage of others what a pipe dream
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 05:44 PM
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jeez. if my only options are supplicating betas and cheating alphas, I'd rather just get a dog
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 05:35 PM
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I'm in a relationship so I've got that covered, but just in case, can you give me a field guide on how to avoid them? because cheating isn't limited to red pillers, and red pillers claim that bloopers can't spot them IRL because they look and act like average, attractive men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 05:28 PM
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because it "worked miracles" for him? Why does TBP not only deny the effectiveness of RP tactics, they claim it is manipulative, harms women, only attracts damaged women, or that some of them are on par with rape? I don't know. even though I mostly argue with RPs, I'm not really a bloop and I don't subscribe to those ideas (except when they are on par with rape. like that RP post "all women literally want to be raped" for example) Also, does demonstrable evidence, that my advice will bring resul…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 05:25 PM
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it has everything to do with empathy. the reason the situation is upsetting is because she can imagine being that girl, and she can imagine the same thing happening to her. if you could empathize, you would understand. regulating and policing the sexual conduct of men who have nothing to do with her yeah, until it happens to her. then what? is it really shocking that people discourage immoral behavior like cheating, because they don't want to be cheated on? drop the SJW language. it's not convin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 05:18 PM
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human behavior must be very confusing to you. you're essentially asking "what is empathy" she can place herself in the situation. she can imagine how she would feel if it were her in a committed relationship with a serial cheater. and she knows that if it happened to another woman, it could happen to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 05:10 PM
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solipsism is expecting people on the internet to give you advice that conflicts with their own experience
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 05:05 PM
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they don't care. hell, some of them are proud of being liars and players. the part that actually bothers me is this: Sexual strategy is amoral. Plenty of women manipulate guys to their advantage. Yes, many of us don't like it, but do we fault them for it? No. It's in their nature to be machiavellian. bullshit. Men and women today need to be cognizant of players and lying whores. it's right fucking there. men who deploy "amoral sexual strategy" are players. women are lying whores. TRP does NOT vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 04:58 PM
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they give advice that works for them. it's stupid advice if you're unattractive or want to get laid right now. it might be decent advice if you're attractive and don't mind waiting. none of this has jack shit to do with "having a good life" or "the struggle of man." you guys have a victim complex to rival feminists'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 04:47 PM
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and as we all know, people never change. that's why all RPs are still beta losers who can't get laid /s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 04:42 PM
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okay. I do, and I still think it's overdramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 04:10 PM
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what is complaining about having to put effort in to get results, if not entitlement? do you complain about having to work to get money? having to do well on tests to get a good grade? if you want to reach above your natural means, you have to work for it. you want to bang the hottest chick or every chick you see? put your nose to the grindstone. I think BP advice works for BPs. meaning guys who don't care about banging everything that moves. who, like you said, have "natural outcome independenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 04:10 PM
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you claimed BPs "have a good life" because the men seem to have had an easier time attracting women. that's it. If you are not attractive, you need to step it up, be proactive, and not just be nice and friendly but flirt and tease to create some tension and build attraction. and this is something worthy of being called "the struggle of man"? even naturally handsome, 10/10 men approach, flirt with and tease women. less physically attractive men have to compensate with personality or "RP tactics",…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 03:29 PM
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title is misleading. your post has nothing to do with having "a good life," unless you genuinely believe having to put effort into your appearance and approach is "a bad life." to your actual point - I was a kissless, boyfriendless virgin til I was 21 because I was fat, plain, acne-covered, awkward, and kind of a crazy bitch. do you think I blamed men or got angry at them for not wanting to touch me with a 10 ft pole? do you think I got pissy because as I grew up, literally everyone told me "rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 03:07 PM
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the entire comment, or just the part about the spreadsheet? cuz the spreadsheet part was funny
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 10:55 PM
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ok. just to be clear i don't think he should be banned. i just choose not to engage with him and other people i consider "over the top" and, yeah. downvoting here is stupid and irrational
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 10:48 PM
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no, but according to a comment you made on this very post, "repeatedly posting over the top material" = trolling. though to be fair, we'd have to ban half the people in this sub if that were the case. the RP downvote brigrade is really on the ball today, huh? speaking of which, downvoting is against the rules. I should page the mods to protect muh karmas
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 10:13 PM
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I'd consider JP a troll. he may genuinely believe what he's typing but he is so intentionally over the top and provocative about it also that guy in the other thread who said he picks up chicks by giving them a spreadsheet of all the other women he's fucked. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:38 PM
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the first rule of troll club is you don't talk about troll club but seriously what are the chances of them admitting that? kinda ruins the point. if anything people tend to pull out the "lol i troll u" defense when they weren't really trolling in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:32 PM
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seriously, this warranted an entire post? like there are no RP trolls...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 09:19 PM
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ok. you diverge greatly from TRP's stance on the topic, but at least you are not a hypocrite. one last question. your wife will be "tarnished" as soon as you consummate your marriage. what then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 05:37 PM
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the double standard is viewing sexual activity as inherently tarnishing for one partner, and not the other
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 05:18 PM
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both of those are status things, though, not promiscuity things. one thing I agree with RP on is that women generally want a guy who has options. they want to feel special, like he could have bedded [insert hot female celebrity] but chose her instead. that's what romance/erotica novels like 50 shades are based on, the fantasy that a high status man with so many options would choose an average woman, upon whom the reader projects herself. it's not about how many girls you've fucked. it's about ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 05:12 PM
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so you're tarnished too? anyway my point was people kinda resent being told that not being a virgin makes them less valuable, especially when it's a double standard. it sounds a lot like... hmm... "shaming language."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 04:43 PM
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there is admittedly a fine line between narcissism and self esteem. the point mostly was low empathy combined with a fragile ego = men who use "shaming language" about and to everyone under the sun, manipulate others for their own benefit, but can't handle being told fucking a married chick is wrong. RPs seem to handle their own disposability by making everyone else disposable, continuing the cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 04:11 PM
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because that's what TRP says? lock and key analogy? promiscuity "uses up" women but not men? don't be obtuse. unless you really are a virgin yourself. are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 03:35 PM
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probably the implication that non-virgin women are "tarnished," but your dick has been in an untold number of sluts and you're not "tarnished" as a result
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 03:18 PM
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if you can make a compelling case that, for example, SRS is full of hysterics, or TBP is full of borderlines, then go for it. it wouldn't bother me. the diagnosis angle really bothers you. would you accept my argument if I said "TRP is a safe space for men with a deep need for excessive admiration, no empathy, and an inflated sense of self-importance; "Male sexual strategy" is how they feed their fragile, damaged egos"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 03:10 PM
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is it men, or alphas? because beta shaming is rampant over there
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 02:57 PM
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I'm taking a very small, fringe population that exhibits and up voted narcissist behavior /worldview and calling them narcissists, yes. If you want to find a tiny population of generally hysterical women and call them hysterical I'd have no problem with that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 02:06 PM
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it is hard to have a discussion about fucking women if we get bogged down in moral bickering about which women we should fuck in the first place. Only because you make it difficult. Don't want to be criticized for fucking married women? Don't do it, or don't talk about it. Pretty simple it's just the hypocrisy that struck me. "shame anyone you want, except one of us, then you're banned." sounds like a case of can dish it but can't take it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 02:03 PM
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TIL red pillers are strawmen
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 01:51 PM
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it's common for women to be hysterical? but hysteria used to be considered a mental disorder. that's a fringe case! how dare you. you're making an arbitrary distinction. perhaps you'd have a point if I was making an argument that all men are narcissists. but I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 01:31 PM
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you previously implied that if women didn't go to TRP they wouldn't be shamed by RPs. I responded by implying it's likely at least some of them shame women directly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 01:26 AM
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so the solution is to breed more people with less empathy. sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 01:24 AM
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you'd have to be really naive to believe there's no significant overlap between men who call women sluts behind their backs and men who call women sluts to their face
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 12:15 AM
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Most people with NPD go undiagnosed. They rarely seek help, especially men. Would it really surprise you to find out there were many narcissist red pillers?the mere fact that morality discussion is banned due to "broknighting" should tell you this is a group without enough empathy to fill a thimble, cone on, this is like getting upset someone at TRP said women are hysterical. whether or not I call it narcissism, red pillers still generally have no/lo empathy, use and discard others with no regar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 12:00 AM
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it's just a CMV. nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:52 PM
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yeah none of that has anything to do with their desire to be protected from the same shit they spew about people not in their in-group
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:43 PM
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"yes"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:38 PM
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it's a personality disorder, nothing like bi-polar, and AWALT does indeed cover the narcissistic tendencies of modern women, does it not? what else would you call someone who totally lacks empathy, has an overinflated sense of self-importance, can't take criticism, and has a deep need for excessive admiration? if you can think of a different word, by all means if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, can i call it a duck only so long as "duck" is not in the DSM?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:37 PM
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yeah, that's good. take the hurt, disenfranchised men and teach them to become what they hate. teach them to use other people as means to an end, teach them to care only for themselves, teach them that morality is for suckers -- the exact attitudes that caused them so much hurt in the first place that'll show 'em
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:33 PM
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er, no. it's more of an observation than anything. an amusing one considering how much joy they seem to take in shaming women/"manginas"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:28 PM
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it just sounds like hand-holding to me. shouldn't men be able to make up their own minds? isn't that what being alpha is about? not following blindly, but taking in all information and drawing your own conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:21 PM
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psychopath =/= narcissist anyway, what do you think about the mods banning shaming language? it didn't make sense to me considering how much RP shames women, until it clicked that RPs have such fragile egos they can't stand being judged for doing something wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:17 PM
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I'm using "All Red Pillers Are Narcissists" (ARPAN) in the same way you use AWALT. here I will even use your own words For many [ARPAN] defines a curve of RP behaviour, with all RPs somewhere on the curve. so what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:13 PM
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if I searched and found a thread shaming men for fucking married women, and it was downvoted to hell with comments raking OP over the coals, I'm pretty sure I'd get the message I know what free speech is, I was using it colloquially
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 10:09 PM
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I think it's very SJW if you to take 120k people and say "they all suffer from the same psychiatric disorder, and I've figured out its this one based on reading a few hundred posts and comments". RP bases a lot of its theories on anecdotal evidence, so why isn't that good enough to make a blanket statement about 120k people? there are 3.5 billion women in this world and yet AWALT is RP doctrine
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 09:58 PM
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it's about trying not to confuse the message on a site where damn near EVERYONE would like nothing more than for the message to never be spoken again. AFAIK downvotes are enabled on TRP; surely you guys could just push all that shit to the bottom. why do you need the mods to protect your feels by banning free speech?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 09:56 PM
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the same sentence? no. but they're both criminals, although we don't really hold children responsible for their actions. vile, depraved men? sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/15 01:06 AM
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so you want to protect depraved, vile assholes from going to prison with all the other depraved, vile assholes why?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 11:13 PM
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how many ads have you seen that depict a woman spanking a man? I'm honestly curious to see them if you have any
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 08:48 PM
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because you can check if a gun is loaded or not in less than a second. similarly, you can tell pretty early on if someone is a narcissistic child-like harpy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 08:44 PM
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"all guns are loaded" will serve you well in guarding your feelings (and your wallet), but not in treating non-narcissistic, bitchy, manipulative women like narcissistic, bitchy, manipulative women; I guarantee you there are attractive women out there who will not respond to "RP tactics," but perhaps there are enough that it doesn't make a difference to you -- you're fine with plating or LTRing a bitch if she's hot enough? okay. go forth and fuck til your dick gets raw. what struck me about that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 07:30 PM
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yeah I guess we can agree on that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 07:16 PM
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really weird chicks Yeah... not being a narcissist is really weird :/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 06:13 PM
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then replace GF with wife. same hypothetical. you're nitpicking to dodge the question
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 06:00 PM
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yeah, good cuz you still don't get it. if you want to move to Norway and your hypothetical GF wants to move to Australia, you have 3 choices: compromise. move somewhere else or stay where you are give in to your partner and move to Aus break up and move to Norway by yourself if we assume 1 and 3 aren't options, the ONLY WAY to resolve the issue is to "give in." one person MUST get their way -- so the other MUST give in. the only way you will get to move to Norway with your GF is for HER to give …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 05:40 PM
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I understand your viewpoint on AWALT. other red pillers have different viewpoints. Did you read that thread? they flat out stated they know some guns aren't loaded but they choose to pursue the ones they know are loaded anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 05:35 PM
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what aren't you understanding? if there is a tie, one person must give in in order to break it. The person giving in is therefore the tie breaker
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 05:22 PM
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Yeah... I don't understand how something can be both literal and not at the same time. It's almost like you guys make whatever argument is convenient
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 05:07 PM
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If there is fundamental disagreement, someone has to "break the tie". yeah you missed my point I guess. The person who gives in is the person who breaks the tie. otherwise there would still be an impasse
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 05:06 PM
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yeah, and my argument would be that in another 10 years, when another decision needs to be made, maybe the "not Captain" will be the one to make it... so it could even out and be equal. even though I am in a Captain/FO -ish relationship, I think it's kind of simplistic to argue there is always A Captain and any decisions made by the FO is simply delegation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 04:52 PM
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I know Proto is the Captain in his relationship. my problem is this is so nebulously defined: the person who has ultimate responsibility for the overall direction and course of the relationship; and who "breaks ties" and "makes tough calls". if I'm having an argument with my SO and I give in to him, does that make me the Captain because I broke the tie? if I'm out running errands and he's not around and I have to make a "tough call" about something related to the household, am I the Captain? how…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 04:49 PM
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I'm not questioning your relationship dynamic. I'm questioning the logic of deti's argument. GreasyPole had it right above -- whoever breaks the inevitable "ties", whoever resolves the impasse; that person is the Captain. a tie is broken when one person gives into the demands of the other, but would you say that person is "the Captain"? personally I think it's totally possible and common for both people in a healthy relationship to don the "Captain's hat" at different times. relationships don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 04:42 PM
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What if the set "women" and the set "women responsive to RP" are the same set. they're not though GP. look at this thread. there seems to be a divide in RPs between the "AWALT is literal" camp and the "AWALT only applies to some girls/hot girls" camp. color me confused
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 04:33 PM
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I'm confused. if the Captain is always the person who does not acquiesce to their partner's position, what /u/ProtoPill described is actually switching roles with his wife. he "gave in" to his wife's desire to remodel their home, so in that instance, she was the Captain, no? or was he the Captain because he "broke the tie" by acquiescing to his wife? but then why isn't she the Captain when she "breaks the tie" by giving in to his requests? there's something faulty with the logic here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 04:27 PM
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over 9000, at least
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 12:43 AM
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it sounds to me now like AWALT is a rationalization for pursuing girls who are like that - - if all women are like that then it can't be men's fault for choosing to fuck/date childish narcissists. which sounds a lot like "all men are assholes (because I'm attracted to/choose to date asshole men)" this has always been my base impression of TRP though. you tend to pick hot women with shitty personalities and then complain about how all modern women have shitty personalities. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 05:41 PM
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ah. so you guys know not all women are "like that," you just pursue the ones that are anyway. kind of like how TRP says women say they want "nice guys" but then go for Chad and bitch about how men are all such assholes the male hamster at work?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 04:07 PM
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...how? I understand that murder is not the same as infidelity. the legality has nothing to do with my argument, though. even in a world where school shootings were legal, killing several children would still be morally wrong, as would selling someone the guns knowing full well what they would be used for
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 02:54 AM
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you really misunderstood my analogy. it has nothing to do with the legality of it. it has to do with choosing not to participate in wrongdoing
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 01:43 AM
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I don't see how your comment follows from mine since I didn't talk about the illegality of anything there
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 12:43 AM
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fucking someone is not being proximate to an event if the event is fucking if a woman cheats, the guy she fucks is as culpable as the gun the murderer used because she "used" him in order to cheat. if it wasn't him, it might have been a different gun, but if guns were sentient, it might have chosen not to be the one to kill. hopefully you understood that, I'm rushing this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 12:41 AM
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OK so you're upset about my word choice. is "participates" better?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 11:40 PM
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altruism is not inherently universal. this is the definition I am using: behavior of an animal that benefits another at its own expense. there is no definition of altruism that states it must be universally and constantly applied
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 09:50 PM
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you're being intellectually dishonest. you know as well as I do the US is not a truly representative democracy. as an individual I have as much control over what the government does as I do over the price of tea in China. the most I can do is vote, and write to my elected official -- which I have done. if you have another, better analogy to give me I'm listening, but this one isn't applicable. ETA -- and honestly, if the consequence of not participating in infidelity was jail time, I wouldn't ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 09:48 PM
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stop banning people/dissenting opinions. that is probably my biggest criticism of RP -- it's a curated echo chamber
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 09:39 PM
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not equally, but I do genuinely care about the general well being of others, regardless if I know them, unless I am given reason not to. sure, if someone has wronged me or someone I love, I will not extend my altruism to them, because I know it will not be returned and I will potentially be taken advantage of. reciprocal =/= universal
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 09:37 PM
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not really. I have no control over what the government does with my tax money. you have complete control over which women you approach. plus, if I don't pay my taxes, I will go to jail. OTOH there are no consequences for not fucking a married woman other than not getting your dick wet in that particular hole. last, the pittance I make is a drop in the bucket compared to the federal government's budget. a better analogy would be me directly and completely funding a kickstarter campaign so someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 09:27 PM
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yeah. some people will always desire to have a disproportionate level of power. some people will always be purely self-motivated. there's enough food in the world to feed everyone, and yet people starve. it's sad
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 06:14 PM
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don't get me wrong, I'm sure it happens. I just think it's far from typical
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 06:07 PM
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yeah. fortunately one of the best things about being human is the ability to overcome basic instinct
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:48 PM
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eh. How much gossip do you think is 100% factual though? IME it's at least half lies and exaggeration
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:42 PM
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it's not just humans. several animal species have been identified as participating in "altruistic" behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:36 PM
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I'm actually kinda more concerned that your employees are that aware of their children's sexual exploits. I'm having trouble picturing your typical teenage boy/girl texting their dad/mom about the sweet gangbang they just had
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:34 PM
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well, yeah. there are people like you in this world that only play for themselves. tit-for-tat or reciprocal altruism guarantees the best outcome for all players involved, but only if everyone is playing the game the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:31 PM
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the "finding yourself" always involves gangbangs during summer abroad programs you seem to me like a reasonable, rational person... is this what you really believe? how did you come to the conclusion that the typical young American woman has gangbangs on the regular?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:21 PM
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because I wasn't approaching it from a "risk to self" perspective. some people think about things other than what is best for them. reciprocal altruism was selected during the evolution of our species
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:15 PM
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"the trader principle" nah. I googled that and it's different. this is what I found: The trader principle states that man should trade value for value as opposed to force for value or non-value for value. but reciprocal altruism is trading non-value for value, knowing that the other party will be more inclined to make a non-value for value trade back later on. if the word altruism is too triggering, try tit-for-tat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:06 PM
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it's not ridiculous. it's direct, you just can't get past the disparity between murder and adultery. but I understand now. your perspective is one of self-interest above all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:02 PM
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thanks for explaining. why is rational self-interest the only thing that matters? are you familiar with the concept of reciprocal altruism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 04:48 PM
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that argument never made sense to me. yeah, maybe she would cheat with some other guy. so what? that doesn't make it morally neutral to be "the other guy." if I were at a gun store, buying lots of gun and ammo, and I told you, the cashier, that I was planning on shooting up the local elementary school, would you sell me the guns anyway? granted, I will get them somehow regardless (unless you call the police, another viable option). but do you really want to be "that guy"? most people feel a mora…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 04:42 PM
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ok. you believe nothing is immoral, or nothing is immoral within the confines of the law?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 04:37 PM
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okay, so you don't think it's wrong to help someone do something that is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 04:26 PM
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no, you never had an agreement with her SO, but you are aware that she is breaking HER agreement and you are facilitating that. The fact that you can emotionally divorce yourself from the consequences of your action does not mean your action has no consequences. You are directly participating in causing harm to another person's relationship; if adultery was illegal you would be an accessory.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 04:18 PM
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you wanted to be treated without your consent being taken into consideration. nope, sorry. that is the whole point of a safeword. for it to really be rape, she would have to safeword and you would have to ignore it. having a safeword means you ALWAYS take her consent into consideration. black-and-white worldview, yeah... because "all women want to be raped" is a very nuanced position.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 08:38 PM
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lol you don't see how a person would be offended by the implication that they want to be raped? jesus christ
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 08:12 PM
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I'm not really worried about it... downvotes serve no function in a debate sub where most if the comment chains are just 2 people arguing. thanks, though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 07:12 PM
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I've always said, you go for people in the hookup scene, you get people in the hookup scene. is it really so shocking that someone you met at a bar/club/tinder and had a ONS with is promiscuous, prone to risky behavior (like sleeping with strangers) and "only offers" sex (which is exactly what you were looking for)? I don't get the complaint about not cooking and cleaning either. If anything I have noticed more women turning back to domestic arts. RPs should look into the kink community honestly…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 07:06 PM
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you agreed with me and got up voted whole I got downvoted. This place is truly a RP circlejerk
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 06:53 PM
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how is she doing it wrong? he admits she's not "LTR material" but they've been together 5 months and he expressed no intention or desire to leave. the stuff about "just in it for her looks/the practice" is obvious hamstering... she has him by the balls and she knows it. more trouble than she's worth? undoubtedly... but he's the plate here, not her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 03:44 PM
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too emotional to answer simple questions, downvotes due to disagreement Congrats, your Woman Club membership card will be in the mail in 4-6 weeks
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 08:19 PM
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um what demands have I made of you? when did I say anything about kowtowing or not saying no? you're burning an effigy and throwing every woman on the planet onto the pile. go take your volume of psychological issues and project them on someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 08:06 PM
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i'm throwing out your first sentence because i disagree, but i'm not willing to get into a debate about it right now If you give people what they want instead of fighting them, they tend to act nicer afterwards acting out because you didn't get what you wanted is a little developmentally arrested... and very emotionally-driven. but DAE women are ruled by their emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 06:49 PM
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then I'm confused as to what the "feminization of society" has to do with men refusing to play nice unless they get what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 06:31 PM
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oh, i see. you see "being nice" as feminization. carry on then
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 06:23 PM
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If you want men to act nice [...] Give them what they want. leaving aside the implication that you expect women to have sex with you purely for your own benefit, this is one of the most childish things I've read on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 06:04 PM
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you can be a nice, stable man AND a bad boy. just like how men want a nice, stable girl who's also their personal pornstar/slut
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/15 06:23 PM
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if you weren't rude to me, I wouldn't have been rude back. I treat people how they treat me and I don't take shit from strangers just because they think being older means everyone should kiss their ass
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/15 04:00 PM
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oh, you were being smug and condescending because you thought i'm a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 10:51 PM
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if all "older women" are like you I hope I die before I reach 30
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 08:09 PM
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why, were you tempted to make a rape apologist response?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 07:23 PM
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the passive aggressive smilie face really sells me on your point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 06:54 PM
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variable. accepting some aspects of what TRP says about men and women as true has had little if any appreciable impact on my life, but then again I am in a LTR and our relationship was pretty "red" to begin with. I will say tho that TRP and PPD have given me increased empathy for men in general OTOH a promiscuous or formerly promiscuous woman would have to "accept" that she has been "used up" and her prospects for finding a life partner are limited. it would suck hard to learn that men (who clai…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 05:50 PM
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lol ok
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 05:18 PM
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yeah well that's pretty delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 05:13 PM
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yeah I don't really disagree, but what's your point? it's not really common for a 35 y/o overweight (why are you using scare quotes?) man to marry a 27 y/o good looking model either, unless he's rich/famous
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 04:34 PM
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Still, I think her experiment is slightly more informative than someone making an assertion based on their observations. why, because she wrote down her observations and got them published? i agree that it's about equal, though. the problem is we tend to be blind to our own... dare i say, privilege, and assume the grass is greener.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 06:53 PM
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If someone knows things will turn out alright in the end and still has a suicidal reaction to an experience, that experience probably isn't amazing. well, yeah. but the reason she had a bad experience isn't necessarily because she was a woman passing as a man and not vice versa. personally i don't think it's inherently easier being a man vs a woman, btw. just taking exception to your example as proof that it's harder to be a man
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 05:16 PM
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How does her experience of being driven almost to suicide by living as a man long-term fit in with your view that men have it better than women? What would explain that? i haven't read the book, but the wikipedia article sheds some light: Vincent writes about how the only time she has ever been considered excessively feminine was during her stint as a man: her alter ego, Ned, was assumed to be gay on several occasions, and features which in her as a woman had been seen as "butch" became oddly ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 03:32 PM
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You should fear anyone who has enough power over you that they can ruin you life in an instant so i should fear everyone? because at any moment, any person could kill my boyfriend and burn down my apartment. or kill me. should i live in fear? check my comment. i didn't say "TRP is irrelevant" i said "the purpose of TRP is irrelevant". and to our discussion, it is. empathy is different from understanding. i'm glad you have better relationships now, but i don't understand why you don't care to dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 11:55 PM
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yeah... honestly i relate to them a lot and i wish i could get them to see how irrational it is to take a few bad experiences and write off half the world's population as evil
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 10:58 PM
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I'm not scared of women hmm... from a previous comment you wrote: that apathy directed at men is what is so frightening to many ok, so maybe you're not afraid of women, but apparently a lot of men are. because women hold power over them. honestly, should i fear men who hold power over me? We're getting off topic. Just because other things are also dangerous doesn't mean that we can't discuss women (that's what TRP is for, sexual strategy for men). we're not in TRP, so what TRP is for is irreleva…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 10:50 PM
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How come every single woman I talk to on Reddit has a rape story? Seems convenient to every argument. Then again this is the Internet - you can be anyone you want to be - so I take each example with a grain of salt (ties into my overall point - lies, manipulation, selfishness, victimhood, etc...) lol. dude, what is your damage? you don't know me. afaik we have never before interacted. calling me a liar is a pretty shitty thing to do when all i was trying to do was illustrate my point. i_dont_bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 10:35 PM
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I know for a fact that if there was any personal benefit to the act whatsoever, you would destroy my life and whistle in bliss as you went about your business afterwards. dude, i am going to stop here. you don't know me or anything about me, but i'm going to tell you now. i have been raped and beaten. i was sexually abused (by a man le gasp) during my entire childhood, scarring me physically and mentally for potentially the rest of my life. and yet, i am in a loving relationship with a man. i do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 09:18 PM
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i don't know what to tell you about reproduction. yeah, if a guy wants to raise a kid that's biologically his, he has to find a woman to bear his child. that's the way it's always been, and that's the way it may always be. life isn't fair. i suppose in this way women have power over men. but i don't know why that means you should fear us. Women people have the ability to make your life amazingly fulfilling, or hellishly painful. And they don't seem to know or care. ftfy. do you think men are uni…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:50 PM
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Want to get a man assaulted? Tell a bunch of your male friends he did something mean to you. Get them riled up enough and they'll throw punches first and ask questions later. i need new friends. Want to get a young man kicked out of college? Say he raped you. Even if your case is thrown out when tried with the lowest standard of evidence possible, you can just keep repeating your claim and gain national celebrity in the process. are you saying that being falsely accused of rape is a common exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:39 PM
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Women aren't out to get you. However, they will drive a bus over you jesus. all of you guys sound so incredibly fearful. as an anxious person, I can relate, but I also recognize irrational fear when I see it There is no conscience felt over harm exhibited on men. i mean, you are literally trying to tell me i'm a misandric sociopath because i am a woman. i can tell you that's absolutely false. whether you believe me or not is up to you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:09 PM
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Women don't give a fuck about us, and at the same time they hold tremendous power over us really? what tremendous power do i have over you? seriously i want to know, because i'm missing out on some kind of superpower
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:04 PM
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A thinking man will use his rational mind I see no evidence of that here. women aren't out to get you. most women you meet don't give a fuck about you, and they're certainly not hiding in the bushes waiting to assault you. but nothing anyone says, and no "good women" will be enough to ever convince you, because you've already made up your mind that all women are evil and just waiting to reveal their true colors. I honestly sympathize, though. you sound very afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 05:57 PM
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why is it such a bad thing to use AWALT until proven otherwise i dunno. why is it such a bad thing to assume you'll get food poisoning every time you eat, after getting it twice? it's irrational, and it will probably prevent you from eating many delicious foods. you might even starve to death. If I said, A man is much more likely to rape than a woman. Is that a harmful stereotype? no. but "using" this stereotype to live my life would be... ill-advised. honestly, i've been raped and i went throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/15 10:53 PM
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i know, we had this conversation already and i still don't understand why that makes AWALT any better. personally i don't go around assuming men are rapists because that would be fucking paranoid. AWALT is equally paranoid
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 04:27 PM
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n/a. I don't do ONS/FWB and I don't plan on getting married I have a couple hard and fast rules. I have a chronic health condition. if it seems like they can't or don't want to take on that burden, there's no point in going further. I also need someone of a similar or higher intelligence, which can be difficult to find. we also must be compatible sexually, which means same/similar kinks and a high libido fairly low standards physically, fairly high standards character/personality wise
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 09:39 PM
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to me it's about as useless as "all men are rapists," a feminist line RPs seem to... dislike. but they (feminists) even use it the same way TRP uses AWALT - all men are potential rapists, just like all women have the potential to cheat on you with Chad Thundercock and then divorce rape you. funny how that works re: AWALT... yes, your wife may greet you with a blowjob today and divorce papers tomorrow. you can do your best to make sure that doesn't happen, but at the end of the day, it might anyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 09:04 PM
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I think an important aspect to ask is who is stopping the relationship most of the time unfortunately i think this has very little to do with love; people often stay in loveless relationships because they are afraid of change or being alone, and many people who break things off still feel love for their ex, at least initially. perhaps women do initiate break-ups more readily, but i'm not convinced it means anything other than that. anecdotally, i've been the dumper in most of my relationships...…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 08:47 PM
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i was talking about people who come out of the gate with name calling and ad homs, not "offensive" ideas or analogies. your link is an example of the latter. I'd bet that my comment there leaves a bad taste in your mouth though. this is part of what i was talking about though. the sneering.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 12:34 PM
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i get downvoted a lot so in my experience RPs are quick to downvote as well and honestly, why should I engage with someone who's just going to insult me? it's not just my feelz, there is no point in debating because RPs already decided I'm an idiot feminazi slut and should be treated like a child.. it's a waste of time, I'd rather peel potatoes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 02:46 AM
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RPs troll a lot and are really quick to insult or act like you are beneath them just because you disagree. even when they drop the pretense and just speak directly, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me reluctant to engage. not all of them are like that... er, I mean, ARPALT
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 10:54 PM
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we really shoot ourselves in the foot having this culture that is so uptight and prudish about frank discussion of sex and kinks. how many couples have left talking about their sexual wants and needs and limits until after they run into a huge problem? i'm consistently floored by the deadbedroom posts that start with "we barely had sex as it was, and then it got worse." if sex is important to you (and for most people, it is), find someone who matches your libido and kinks as closely as possible.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 05:13 PM
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i mean, we can rationalize anything. he is more afraid of the consequences of leaving than the consequences of staying. fine. he should stay and try to make the most of it. therapy can help but if he asked me what he should do, I'd say divorce seems like the best option,and it's certainly not an invalid option, especially if he wants both sex and a clear conscience. you can tell me I give shitty advice, but it's not invalid
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 04:15 PM
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well that's unfortunate. i have a lot of sympathy for men who feel trapped in sexless marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 03:32 PM
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I made an appropriate analogy, you just didn't understand it. my point was "I will not consider X" does not make X an invalid solution to your problem. drug addiction is actually pretty analogous to a bad relationship when you think about it. at some point you gotta wonder, why do I keep going back to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 03:30 PM
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oh, he should try TRP. at least the self-improvement stuff. but he should try it without the goal of getting his wife to desire him, because if he clings to that goal and TRP doesn't work, he'll feel even worse than before
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:45 PM
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well, in this analogy, the employee refuses to quit and look for a new job. so yeah, if he's not going to do anything about it, he needs some help accepting his shitty job
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:46 PM
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you're the one who sounds butthurt dude. i'm not even blue. he explicitly states he considered divorce and will not go that route the fact that he refuses to consider divorce does not make divorce an invalid option. that is a really stupid way to look at things. imagine i'm a drug addict. my life is in shambles, my wife left me and took the kids, the dog and my fleshlight. i can't get a job because i fail drug tests or get fired for being high at work. what would your advice be? but wait. i will…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:41 PM
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well gee dude if you eliminate all other options besides TRP advice, of course TRP is the only acceptable answer. he should get into therapy by himself. he needs help accepting the reality of his situation, and the choices available to him. divorce may be a suboptimal option but sometimes we only have a bad choice, and a worse choice. it sucks. this is part of why I don't want to marry or have kids
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:16 AM
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i think they resent the implication that women are materialistic i do too, i guess i could have put "he didn't call me on my birthday." same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 10:18 PM
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How is that logic idiotic? What other likely conclusions could you draw from either of those situations? people change. Tina no longer wants to sleep around; Bobby no longer wants to give gifts or lavish women with attention. neither is wrong; neither is inherently disrespectful to their current partner, because they do not behave that way anymore. look, either your partner in the present lives up to your expectations, or they don't. if all Bobby buys Tina for her birthday is a card, and that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 10:15 PM
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the last part of your reply touches on a common criticism of RP: if all it takes for men to get laid is self-improvement, why come to RP? i think RP just meets men where they are: bitter and angry at women, other men who get laid, society, etc. RP validates their feelings, gives theories on why the "SMP" is the way it is and gives advice on how to game the system. though honestly, TRP seems much different to me than it was 1.5-2 years ago. I checked the front page just now and it was actually re…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:52 PM
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how are they not the same? hell, i can even apply the same idiotic logic: "Tina used to sleep with any guy who hit on her, but now we're on date 3 and all I've gotten is a kiss. Those guys didn't even have to pay for dinner once! She doesn't respect me. Next" "Bobby used to text Sarah all night and day, shower her with flowers and gifts, but all he got me for my birthday was a card. They weren't even dating! He doesn't respect me. Next."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:24 PM
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they have to reach that minimum attractiveness bar FIRST and then their brains are an asset. ok. so surely you can agree that the minimum attractiveness bar is set really high for some women, and really low for others. would it be fair to say that RPers are trying to max out their attractiveness to get the highest quality mate, because higher quality mates generally have the minimum attractiveness bar pretty high? if the whole hypergamy thing just boils down to "don't take your SO for granted" t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 06:06 PM
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Woah. Where you getting that from ? Intelligence is an Alpha trait. We don;t tell guys to hide it. lesson 9 in Pook. one of the "Harsh Truths": Women are not attracted to genius, only strength and imagination She'll be out looking for that intelligence with the better looking guys. She'll pick a guy dumber than you, providing he is still smart, because he's hotter. He actually turns her on ! i'm willing to admit i may just be an outlier, but good looks do nothing for me without intelligence. my …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 04:57 PM
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i'm not done yet but the impression i'm getting is that these are just run of the mill self help crap. the advice might work, but the theories and terms are just bullshit used to sell the advice. like i can see how telling a nerdy, awkward guy that women don't care about intelligence AT ALL, rather they're attracted to beefcakes, might help his approach. but i know for a fact that's not true; it's just that a guy just can't lead with his intelligence if he's trying to pick up a barfly for a ONS …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 04:20 PM
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Ayn Rand was very anti-feminist. as far as libertarianism, I dunno. I generally agree with the philosophy that everyone should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't infringe on others' rights to do what they want. but I also think people should be given access to food, clothing and shelter, especially considering if you are naked and/or homeless in modern society, there's a strong possibility you will be harassed, jailed or institutionalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 03:50 PM
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lol, actually glancing at the first pages of these I might prefer Rational Male to the Pook one. alright, thanks for the recs, i'll return when i finish
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 04:48 PM
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look, when you guys say "you just don't understand" I think it's a rhetorical tactic, but I'm willing to put my beta bux where my mouth is, so recommend me a book or two and I will read them, cover to cover, and come back to discuss. and I'm asking you because I already looked on the TRP sidebar and couldn't find mention of a single book...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 04:10 PM
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love is an emotion, no more or less
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 11:34 PM
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I guess I don't understand the rationale behind making it a rule, or reporting people who break it. I think PPD is taking itself way too seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 11:24 PM
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I don't want to debate AWALT with you. if that's the only part of my comment you want to talk about, I'd rather just end it here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 11:10 PM
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3 are so broadly stated, using all, as to be incorrect. is AWALT not "core RP" now? otherwise, like I already said, my relationship is pretty red pill and I don't doubt that SOME things said in RPW, MMSL and elsewhere in the "pillosphere" might apply. but I'm still struggling with why I should care. like I said, I will never be fully red because, okay, I disagree with at least 1 core tenet of RP, and 2 that are "supported by a significant part of the community." I'm sure there are more that I ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 10:58 PM
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what is the point of requiring flair if we can still put whatever we want on it/have colors other than red, blue and purple? serious question
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 10:29 PM
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I didn't say they don't know what girl game is, I said they don't engage in it. if you really care, personally I don't do my hair beyond running a brush through it or putting it up and I wear makeup rarely. my bf appreciates it even more when I do, because he knows I'm going out of my way to look nice for him, which I don't do for other people my relationship is pretty "red pill" (traditional) and I have no problem accepting that. what I have a problem accepting are all the wacko beliefs about h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 10:15 PM
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i think many of the women who complain about RP game do not engage in "girl game," though, which is a disconnect. in fact much criticism of RP seems to come from women and men who have found RP ideas to be poor or incomplete descriptions of sexual dynamics due to conflicting life experience. and that's why im purple, not red. well, that and you guys are a little 2edgy4me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 09:09 PM
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you and everyone else did an excellent job of missing my point. everyone alters their appearance. why is wearing flattering pants different from wearing foundation?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 07:58 PM
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if you feel lying and wearing makeup are equally acceptable, act accordingly. I personally don't care. i just think it's silly how RPs get their undies in a bunch because women are socialized to be attractive as possible at all times... which means wearing makeup. I mean, you're in a club. There's a girl with no makeup, and one obviously wearing makeup. The one wearing makeup looks hotter. Which do you take home? if you say the hotter chick you really have no leg to stand in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 07:55 PM
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By wearing makeup you are presenting yourself in a way that isn't a true representation how do you figure? when I wear makeup I am presenting "this is what I look like with makeup on." unless the makeup is very subtle, it would be obvious I am wearing it, and if the makeup is very subtle, it's not far off at all from how I really look, so it's not deceptive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 01:28 PM
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would you call wearing clothing manipulative? after all, that's not really what you look like
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 01:25 PM
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Some even go so far as to say the effect of dread is attainable entirely through self-improvement. and this is what i don't understand -- the sidebar glossary of TRP states dread game is intentional and the goal is to change your partner's behavior. but almost all you guys use a much different definition (the quoted text above). can it really be "dread game" like /u/Nitzi says if you're just walking to the store and your gf catches another woman ogling you? shouldn't that just be part of you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 03:41 PM
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not robbery. also not someone I'd want to spend any amount of time with
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 11:42 PM
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i can't speak for all women but the hierarchy for me is bad sex < food <good sex. which i don't think is particularly shocking or noteworthy. I can think of a hundred things I'd rather do than have sex that isn't pleasurable. food is just one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 03:01 PM
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Then why is it that BPers overwhelmingly argue against TRP using examples of various "locker room talk" ideas they have found rather than arguing against it using the much more moderate, far less hyperbolic ideas as examples? I don't know, maybe you should ask them? i don't speak for blue pillars. I don't even consider myself "blue" I would actually believe that you are not being disingenuous if you actually formed a rebuttal that started with, "Yeah, I get that this RP idea is hyped up with a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 12:13 PM
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okay, so you think it's prudent for men and women to assume the worst about each other until proven otherwise. that's all i wanted to know A woman who insists on having a neutral, "safe" date before she is willing to meet any man, operates under the m'fucking assumption that any man could potentially be dangerous to her wellbeing - something that is actively encouraged by society. What is so difficult to understand about that? there's nothing difficult to understand, it's just irrelevant and you…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/15 12:35 PM
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i offered a counterpoint in my first comment. OP's premise is that people don't look past the "locker room talk" to the good/philosophical parts of TRP, and that's why BPs see TRP as so offensive and worthless. my point was that it's not the "locker room talk" that makes TRP offensive to me, but the beliefs proliferated in TRP. if you really want me to use his analogy, i have walked past the locker room to the courtyard and found the ideas there offensive. faux intellectualism because he wrote a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/15 12:25 PM
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i didn't say women treating all men as potential rapists is reasonable, nor did i make any value judgements about your personal philosophy. i asked a simple question, and since you won't answer it, i can only assume you think your position is fair, but the same flawed logic is unfair when it's women assuming all men could be rapists
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/15 12:13 PM
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OK but you didn't answer the question. I was purely interested if you think it's fair to assume all men are rapists given that you assume all women are harpies
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 10:37 PM
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i can deal with analogies. OP can be boiled down to "There is more to TRP than the intentionally offensive parts, but when BPs read TRP, they're looking to be offended, so they never go past the 'locker room talk.'" why not just say that? there was no need for an analogy, because OP is not discussing a complex or technical issue that the average adult would be unable to comprehend without further elaborate explanation. good analogies don't take 1000 words to explain you guys have an analogy obse…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 09:31 PM
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my question was why do men like Bob continue to pursue women like Cindy. the only answer i could come up with is that they can't do any better, which shouldn't be the case -- so i'm asking you for a different answer. you seem to be saying (M)WALT which, while i disagree, is a satisfactory answer
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 08:29 PM
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i get that guys CAN pursue a relationship with a woman like that. i still don't understand why they'd want to. is it because they're settling?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 08:17 PM
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because it makes no sense to me that a guy would intentionally pursue an abusive woman unless he's a serious masochist
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 08:08 PM
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i wasn't trying to say there was a problem, just that they're signing up for misery. basically my question is, keeping in mind abundance mentality, why pursue these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 07:56 PM
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in the given scenario there's nothing wrong with his actions. actually, walking away would be the right thing to do imo. what i don't get is when the Bobs of TRP try to stay and plate/date their Cindys
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 07:52 PM
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is fucking someone out of spite a self-defense tactic? doesn't really sound like it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 07:45 PM
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so now Bob wants revenge on Cindy and seeks to force her, and future women in his life, into submission? Bob should get a hobby, or a therapist
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 07:40 PM
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i don't understand how your comment is relevant to the problem of red pillers seeking out manipulative and abusive women to fuck/date. having unrealistic standards is not abusive or manipulative
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 07:26 PM
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if you're genuinely interested, in the course of our little thread here i have gone to the store, come back because i forgot something, gone back, and now i am preparing to bake croissants. but you're right, i should probably stop wasting my time talking to you. enjoy your day
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 05:18 PM
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i typed to correct your assumption and inform you i was uninterested in debating with you. i see that, too, was pointless
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 05:09 PM
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there's healthy skepticism and only putting your trust in trustworthy people... and then there is specifically seeking out manipulative women and attempting to "force [them] into submission."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 04:17 PM
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no, i just know when it's pointless to debate with someone. this is one of those times
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 04:08 PM
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But I'm not above and beyond assuming that every women I get to know could be of the type TRP warns me of until I know her do you have a problem with feminists who assume every man is a rapist or abuser before getting to know him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 04:00 PM
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The Red Pill aims to force these abusive and manipulative women into submission, by beating them at their own game i found the problem. no wonder you guys think "all women are like that" if you only go for women who are like that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 02:06 PM
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the usual. women aren't loyal or empathetic, women don't love men in the same way men love women, "Briffault's Law," promiscuity inherently "uses up" women but not men, women have no idea what they actually want, all women desire the same things... it goes on
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 01:09 PM
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Was your view of what we believe drawn from the locker room, or the courtyard ? well since the courtyard and locker room are imaginary concepts you created and have the final say over, i'm not sure how i would ever know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 01:05 PM
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what is most offensive to me about TRP is your beliefs, not the way you express them. I am way past the point of caring about RPs love of shock humor and edgy assholes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 12:15 PM
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RPs seem to labor under the delusion that if someone can't prove you wrong, you must be right. they've set certain beliefs up to be unfalsifiable. ex: all women are x (hypergamous, promiscuous, disloyal, immature) or would be if they had the chance. if a woman says she's not, she's lying or doesn't know what she wants; if a man says it, he's a beta mangina and needs to swallow the pill. seriously, how can you argue with "all women would cheat on a beta husband with an alpha stud" other than to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 12:54 PM
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CMV: red pillers just can't handle criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 10:16 PM
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good question
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 08:23 PM
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because there is sidebar material explicitly claiming there is a red pill philosophy, and a glossary of terms with concrete definitions. but reading what RPs say here about RP, it's whatever you want it to be, so effectively nothing ideologically
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 07:41 PM
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AWALT cannot "work," it is a belief. what works is the actions you take in accordance with that belief, but the truth of your belief isn't proven by the success of your actions
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 03:26 PM
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if AWALT doesn't predict behavior, and is only about womens' desires, it's unfalsifiable and there is really no point in debating it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 01:32 PM
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while what you're saying sounds reasonable to me, I've had too many run ins with red pillers who use AWALT to dismiss any woman's experience if it doesn't match up with their pre conceived notions about women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 11:52 AM
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care to explain? if you're saying neither will i, you're right. i'm not the one claiming to know what all women are like though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 11:46 AM
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i understand what ppd is, i've been here over a year
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 12:30 AM
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because i used to read BP, i'm familiar with RP, and i have opinions and like debating? i didn't realize being an active reader of one or the other was required to participate here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 12:24 AM
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it should be said, all of my comments are about PPD because i don't read either RP or BP i don't see "rp doesn't work" much, but i guess i was wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 12:13 AM
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very few people try to argue that TRP doesn't work. partly because there is no way to know for sure if you're telling the truth that it does and partly because for a lot of people that isn't the point. the point is the theories are wrong, or at least incomplete
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 11:41 PM
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that doesn't make any sense. AWALT is ivory tower speculation because you will never know if all or even most women are "like that"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 11:39 PM
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You guys don't stop at theories. AWALT is basically doctrine
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 11:14 PM
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This post is meant to clear up how I see TRP and that's as far as we will ever get. every red piller I've talked to/argued with on this sub seems to have their own take on TRP which may not even line up with actual posts and sidebar material. i could take 10 highly upvoted TRP posts, show them to 10 red pillers, and get 10 different opinions on each. that's fine, but it means we'll only ever be able to debate on an individual level anyway... if all you care about is whether you get sex or relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 10:01 PM
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yeah... that doesn't contradict what i said, but i'm glad we cleared that up i guess
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 07:40 PM
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yeah no I get that you value being a smart-ass, but being a smart ass doesn't make your point more valid. Imo it damages the person's credibility when they're unwilling to just say what they mean
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 06:10 PM
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I dunno. if I had to guess I would say 25%. They're out there, it's just hardly the universal experience RP paints it as
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 12:54 PM
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not really. a rhetorical question is hardly a trump card
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 12:40 PM
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all of these revenge stories, whether in TRP or FPH or wherever, read thusly to me: I was bullied, so I became the bully pretty sad for everyone involved
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 11:12 PM
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Does it matter if the average partner count is lower when what TRP tells you helps you get laid? it should. TRP claims to offer men the truth about society and women... when they're not claiming it's just about self improvement... when they're not claiming it's just about getting laid...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 10:51 PM
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yeah, and the solution to that is making women register for the draft, or abolishing the draft, not taking away the right to vote from half the country's population
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 09:00 PM
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no, RPs just seem to think "what about le female agency????" is some kind of trump card
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 07:36 PM
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that would be a pretty stupid thing to say, but hey, go for it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 07:35 PM
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dude. that wasn't dread game. that was your dad and your mom just living their lives. if your dad did those things to intentionally incite jealousy in your mom, that would be dread game i don't know how much clearer i can put it: the definition of dread game is that it is intentional. if you have a different definition of it, maybe you should take that up with TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 05:53 PM
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no, I think you don't understand what it is. "soft dread" is still intentional, and the goal is still to change your plate/gf/wife's behavior i don't think it's evil. i think it is manipulative to indirectly try to change someone else's behavior, and i think it's bad to intentionally cause hurt (jealousy/insecurity) in someone you supposedly care about
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 02:55 PM
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The blue pill gets up in arms about GLO saying to treat women like children, as if that's reason to scrap the red pill or see it as a cesspool of hatred but they don't abandon feminism when Sally Miller Gearheart advocates for the genocide of men personally, i have stopped calling myself a feminist because of the "kill all men" crowd so it's not hypocritical for me to wonder why reasonable red pillers continue to associate with and defend the extremists of trp The blue pill gets up in arms about…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 02:36 PM
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to be dread game, according to the definition, it has to be intentional. so no, if you just one day decided to start working out and eating better, and you got more attention because of that, it wouldn't be dread game. it has to be intentional, and it has to be with the goal of changing your partner's behavior. it's not all nuclear, but it is all manipulative. i'm saying it's more PC-friendly than real dread game... because it is
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 02:33 PM
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ah "female agency," my new favorite RP gotcha buzzword anyway, it's a private school and probably in the handbook that they can expel whoever they want. i think their decision in this instance is fucked up, and that was not rape or anything like it, but i don't know that there's anything he can do. maybe sue his accuser in civil court
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 10:03 PM
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i asked if you knew what it was, not if you could parrot it to me. i'm still curious when RP started presenting itself as more PC-friendly because looking good and having time away and [purposely] inciting jealousy in your partner to change her behavior are not the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 09:56 PM
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when did you guys reinvent dread game to mean "be confident and attractive"? Just wondering. You know what the actual definition is in the TRP sidebar right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 09:43 PM
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i find it funny when one of your main gripes is being against freedom of speech, and then you go and complain about other people exercising it. this is a common theme among reactionaries
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 04:51 PM
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several comments back i actually went to TRP, searched "dread game" and looked at field reports just so i wasn't talking out of my ass. they are there. guy is out with girlfriend, she's behaving poorly, he responds by making her jealous. also just guys being dicks to their SOs because dread game. look, the RP glossary definition clearly states dread game is intentionally making your date/gf/wife jealous or more interested in you, with the goal of changing her behavior. if the goal is not to chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 03:34 PM
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but every field report I've read on trp that involves dread game, it is covert. Not being covert would defeat the point. If you're trying to make your gf jealous by flirting with other women, are you really going to announce it to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 02:06 PM
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how can you not see that what you said (dread game is not for correcting problem behavior in women) conflicts with the very definition of dread game (purposefully making your woman feel jealous to correct her problem behavior)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 09:55 PM
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Men have no obligation to stop a woman from being single and it's certainly not abusive to end a relationship. i don't know who you're replying to, because i never said they did Dread game isn't the answer for a woman acting in ways that you're not comfortable with from the TRP glossary on the sidebar: Dread Game - Purposefully inciting jealousy in an LTR by openly getting attention from other women. Soft Dread is similar, but less open. With Soft Dread, the attention doesn't even need to be rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 09:19 PM
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i will look in my comment history when i get home because i know i directly responded to one RP who was advocating an ultimatum. the context was OP's wife wanted to go to a bachelorette party out of state; the red piller advised telling her that if she went, he would divorce her. letting your SO see that you have options and don't need to stick around if she won't make you happy we're saying the same thing, just using different words my alternative is simple. it involves not trying to control an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 08:49 PM
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no? i've seen red pillers on here and other places advocating ultimatums. "dread game" is all about hanging the threat of leaving over your hypothetical SO's head, isn't it? maybe you don't directly say it, but through words and actions the message is still received: if she doesn't reform, you will leave. or am i misunderstanding? i mean, it's right there in your initial phrasing Dread game: "Look, I have the option to walk away so you better deliver if you want me to stick around[...]"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 06:08 PM
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we don't make threats "do this or i will leave" is a threat. you can call it "boundary setting" if you want, but it still fits the definition of a threat
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 05:22 PM
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he can still satisfy his polygamous urges by (discreetly) sleeping around the discussion is about loyalty. cheating is disloyal. so, you agree promiscuous men are more likely to be disloyal?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 02:09 PM
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non conformity is just a stupid word people use to justify their shitty behavior. see, I can twist words too and yeah, it sounds exhausting trying to control another person's behavior to the point where you inject artificial drama in order to destabilize your own relationship. but, you know, takes all kinds
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:45 PM
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you have a different opinion than me, therefore you are wrong and that's what I hate about TRP i don't think this post belongs here. you disagree, therefore i am wrong and deserve to be downvoted. okie dokie
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:05 PM
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Jealousy, drama, dread. All of these things are healthy in moderation and essential for relationships. They should be constants. ok, well agree to disagree i guess. that sounds exhausting and immature as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 06:03 PM
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he admitted he didn't even read the OP, so his advice is especially useless. anyway, this A man on a mission pursues sex and escalates boldly because he doesn't have time to waste sounds like what OP has already been doing, but it's not working. he's tired of being the one to always initiate. he wants passion. he wants his wife to WANT to have sex with him that is the issue that needs to be addressed. do you think ignoring her is really going to make her want him, or that it'll provide anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 05:25 PM
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i still fail to see the relevance. i think he just wanted to vent tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 05:11 PM
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... but his wife emailed him and it seemed at the time of the post that he might send it. and i suggested individual therapy for both. but honestly, he should probably end it. i wasn't aware ppd had become /r/advicefrombothpills. it would belong better at trp, marriedtrp, or relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:44 PM
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i think it doesn't matter as much as anyone on the internet will have you believe. i have never been slut shamed, partially because i do not broadcast how many people i've slept with, and partially because the people i've slept with have given precisely zero fucks about it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:21 PM
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yeah, there's no way to know. but most of the time acting on our feelings is illogical, and the logic comes later when we rationalize it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:10 PM
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Insecurities can be grounded in legitimate concerns yes. however, basing your behavior off emotional response is illogical
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:55 PM
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the response from men in a gender neutral world without gender roles would simply be "yeah, so what? Maybe I am maybe I'm not, what's it to you?" what's stopping you from responding this way now? i mean, you're completely right --- who cares if some random thinks you're insecure? everyone feels insecure from time to time. if you feel insecure because you're worried that you won't measure up to your partner's previous lovers, well... that's pretty normal. it would be kind of illogical to base you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:48 PM
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so end it; cheating is gutless
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:22 PM
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ok first does this really belong here? second i think you should get your OWN individual therapist, and encourage her to do the same. a lot of the time, jumping straight into couples therapy is a mistake because one or both people have issues that have to be addressed individually before they can even begin to work on their relationship. last... Bluepers would say that I should send the letter, because......communication! hahaha no. in order for communication to occur, you both need to LISTEN to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:29 PM
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He needs to ignore her and LIFT did you read OP? he's been LIFTING for years. circlejerking about weight lifting is one of the most useless things about TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:27 PM
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one of those things that while interesting has little to no bearing on any given individuals life
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:06 PM
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if the story is true, should have gotten a different therapist. but prior to that, he should have ended it. why would you even want to stay in that relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 02:34 PM
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i don't have the time, energy or desire to debate this with you. govt gets gfs is not the only one, though there really aren't a ton of incel activists... that was kind of my point with the original comment. i'm sorry you took it so personally
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 10:37 PM
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i specifically said incel activists (there are more than 1). not incels. cool your jets
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 10:11 PM
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yeah... you're in high school dude. people change a lot from when they start high school to finishing it, and they tend to change even more through college and into adulthood. if anything that's the lesson to be learned here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 09:42 PM
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the only people who would answer no to this are incel activists who think women should be doled out to men like welfare or something
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 06:31 PM
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they should all move to different cities and try again, especially Nancy because she has her head screwed on backwards if she has unlimited options and she's chasing these two
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 03:12 AM
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Actually there are "professional cuddlers" and even "cuddle parties" where lonely, touch-starved people congregate to engage in nonsexual touch. I think it's kind of brilliant actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 09:25 PM
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... what kind of clients do you think visit prostitutes? male models? they're used to fucking unattractive men. that's how they make money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 09:22 PM
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if my friend's husband threatened to divorce her because she asked if she could go to a bachelorette party, I'd tell HER to talk to a divorce lawyer it must be really sad to believe that the only way you can maintain a relationship is with threats, or that a relationship in which you must resort to threats is worth saving
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 08:48 PM
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it's not who says something but what they say Actually, it's both. Or else why does TRP have ECs?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:40 PM
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I'm "BP" and I have no desire to marry my boyfriend. As an aside hat RPW post is crazy. No one fucking cares if you're married or not. I don't know anyone who "looks down" on women in committed LTRs. You are not a defective woman if you don't get married. Jeez.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 12:35 PM
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I'm sorry but you are still missing my point. Semantics aside, they run sobbing to the internet and the media... Who fucking cares? Why does women not "taking it in stride" bother you so much? Why react at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 04:17 AM
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Who gives a fuck if some woman feels momentarily "creeped out" or uncomfortable? That's kind of my point. It's your prerogative to openly leer at every woman you see. It's their prerogative to react however they choose. What exactly is the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 12:03 AM
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No, I meant homely. As in plain. And if you want someone attractive, you need to be attractive yourself Well... yeah. That's common sense. So what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 10:00 PM
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A man needs to pay attention to his grooming, his skin/complexion, his fashion sense, his shoes and accessories, the whiteness of his teeth, his fingernails, his facial hair or lack thereof, his head hair or lack thereof, the car he drives, the condition of his house or apartment...the list goes on and on. Then there's the issue of his body: is it too skinny? Too fat? Too deformed? Is he too muscular? Not muscular enough? Only if you want a mate that is also neurotic about those things. People h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 09:48 PM
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Yeah, creepy is in the eye of the beholder, and there's no objective measure for when behavior crosses the line. But OP is basically asking "Why can't I openly stare at women without them being offended" which, another way, is "why can't I do things without consequences." I don't understand why it's such a big deal to be offended by something, or express the offense. I mean, you look at a girl in the street, she catches you and gives you a dirty look. So what? Your choices are: 1. Stop looking 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 09:44 PM
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If you're *embarrassing and offending women by the way you look at them in public, you might want to be a little more subtle about it. *edit, misread
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 05:42 PM
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Thank you for that valuable contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 03:45 PM
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"There are good people and there are bad people." "You can't have a functional life if you don't believe in evil." Interesting sentiments from a red piller, and I actually sorta agree. Wonder what TRP thinks about that considering the whole moral relativism thing. Otherwise, it seems to just be another "we should go back to being caveman, there were no PC police back then" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 11:46 PM
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Yeah... I was thinking about this the other day and I think TRP is so angry because the only people who stick around are those for whom it doesn't work, and they just get increasingly angry and bitter which feeds the echo chamber. If TRP really does work so well, and improves the lives of all who do it the "right way," why are they all still so angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 11:25 PM
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Anything that requires higher effort than "lame mundane rhetoric" would be wasted on you, since you resorted to calling me a caveman and making baseless assumptions to attack my character. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 06:44 PM
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Except red pillers, in this sub and elsewhere, use "AWALT" to silence men and women who have different experiences than described in TRP. It's a nice thing to keep in mind, but like most of the "good" parts of TRP, it gets lost in over-the top, reactionary and antagonistic rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 04:10 PM
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So you think you have a valid argument that refutes what is said in this quote just by using the word "incel" to mock it ? Um, no. I was more mocking the fact you quoted the whiny protagonist of a novel in order to bolster your point. The fact that it sounded like an incel activist wrote it was just icing on the cake. also lol @ your pathetic attempt to "shame" me. I'm in a happy monogamous relationship. And we have lots of sex. Therefore, I am a terrible human being. Checkmate, sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 04:06 PM
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What is the book you're quoting from, an incel manifesto? Oh... it's a novel. A work of fiction. Great. People who sleep around are hoarding too If no one slept around, there would be no one to sleep with, so you would have an even harder chance of getting laid, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 02:31 PM
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The way you explained it makes sense, though I'm not sure about the numbers you used... or the dichotomy. My guy has a lot of "beta" traits as far as I can tell, but he has "alpha" ones too. There is a power dynamic to our relationship; in fact, our relationship is pretty RP in a lot of ways. But he also has a submissive and sensitive side that is just as attractive to me; I feel a deeper bond with him because he is open and very expressive with his feelings. If I truly am a speshul snowflake an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 02:27 PM
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Okay... So women can be happy with a beta, only sometimes not? I understand trp less every day
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 12:08 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:15 AM
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What makes you say you're in a relationship with a betabux? I'm using TRP terms. I love him and am more attracted to him than any of my previous partners, but TRP would probably call him beta. Were there no good guys available to you when you were younger? Were the guys with more substance scared to hit on you because of your looks or did you just pick the pretty ones over them because that's what young people usually do? See my other comment. I don't think guys of substance were scared to hit o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:14 AM
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never went out of your way to hit on "higher quality" men, which I assume are hot nice guys Not really. My first boyfriend was a player, but I wised up to that shit quick, and I dated a "hot nice guy" in college. By and large, though, the guys who hit on me back then were assholes I had no interest in. That's why I don't relate to anything TRP says about women and sexual attraction... I don't "go for" assholes. I did once, I learned, and avoided them forever afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 01:40 PM
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The article in the OP is about relationships, not casual sex, so no it does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:08 PM
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Under 20, virgin, thin, submissive... I was a red pill wet dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 11:57 AM
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At 19 was younger and thinner and spent more time on hair, makeup etc. AND I was a virgin. And the guys that hit on me were mostly douchebags... Attractive ones, but still douchebags. All being physically attractive did was attract other physically attractive people, and people who place a lot of importance on looks. That's not who I am. So I am chubbier and older and sluttier and in the best relationship of my life with a beta bux, I guess. But I'm happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 11:55 AM
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I wouldn't change anything. I have had higher SMV in the past and it did not attract higher quality mates, actually the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 03:16 AM
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We all get criticized sometimes. Try not to let it get to you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:18 PM
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It's called using absurdity to prove a point Yeah, well, you failed. Trolling makes you look like... a troll. yes, I am literally ripping women's degrees off their apartment walls and fucking a hole into them No one said you were, you're just too dense and sensitive to understand I was questioning your choice of language, and that's it. Resorting to hysterics when you cannot make a salient point on the actual discussion isn't a good look, sweetie.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 08:04 PM
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I don't care what you want to fuck. If it was just about fucking this conversation wouldn't be happening. The article and discussion are about LTRs, and if you're arguing that all or even most men exclusively select for sexual attraction when choosing a long-term partner, you're pretty deluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:59 PM
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not insecure and threatened, it is not attracted to Yeah, I'm saying they are one in the same. You can't really be attracted to someone if you're threatened by them or they make you feel insecure (well, you can, but men generally aren't). I'm also not arguing that men are wired to be attracted to intelligence, I'm arguing that men aren't wired to be attracted to stupidity. Or, they are, but just in the way that being stupid makes a woman an easier conquest. Pretty+dumb vs ugly/fat+smart is a fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:52 PM
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K. My point was intelligent women make you and many other men feel insecure and threatened, but I don't blame you for letting your feels get in the way of understanding what I said. Should I use smaller words?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:31 PM
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I've never had a problem finding men for whom my intelligence is a turn on, not a turn off. Personally, I agree with this passage from the article you linked to: You may be sensitive, sweet and insecure, but your intelligence makes you threatening. You may not have muscles and a big d*ck, but men will look at you as competition. I think men who like dumb women (and there are a lot, to be sure) like them because dumb women are non-threatening and easily manipulated. I can't fuck your masters degr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 07:12 PM
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My BF is the person I've been the most sexually attracted to out of all my past relationships, and he seems more beta than alpha to me, though I can't find a good list of alpha vs. beta qualities on TRP. (He is a large part of why I think red pill is bullshit - he's a somewhat socially awkward nerd who works in IT, average looking, didn't have a great job until very recently, introverted, doesn't go out with friends much at all... pretty beta right? And yet he's never lacked for sexual partners.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 02:21 PM
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I mean... in general I guess. I can't really think of an example where shaming is an appropriate or effective way to get what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 10:30 AM
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If you’re an empowered, sex-positive woman who hates The Red Pill and all that it stands for, what’s your screening strategy? How do you avoid accidentally fucking a guy like this? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and fucks like a duck... Or in other words, are you really an asshole if I can't tell you're an asshole? If I am looking for a ONS and a guy is SO good at pretending to be smart,attractive, funny, unselfish in bed, and generally respectful of women, that I wouldn't even know …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:05 PM
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just so you know I slut shame men and women Okay, well most people in TRP exclusively shame women. So, barring that, I just think it's catty and juvenile and signals insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 07:17 PM
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The only difference is that TRP shames women for doing the same shit men are expected to do, ostensibly because evolution. No you don't understand, it's different!!!! Separate but equal!!! /s Seriously this is the big disconnect. TRP seems to either believe itself incapable of hypocrisy, or not care in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 07:05 PM
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women actually have a dual mating strategy? Um, yeah, if you consider "looking for a hookup" and "looking for a relationship" a "dual mating strategy" then I would say yes. Except the strategies are not being deployed at the same time. Being easy and looking for sex with hot guys on Tinder and being all prude and looking at job credentials and accommodating personality in a husband? ...no. Are you okay? It looks like you reached really hard there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 03:23 PM
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How does TRP having less subs than Mens Rights make it significant? Anyway to answer all your questions... I think the mods and ECs aren't evil, but narcissists who have found a captive audience of men with chronic low-self esteem, insecurity and social difficulties (primarily with women, but not exclusively). I consider TRP to be a fad, a reactionary fringe group that will perhaps not die out in the near future, but remain just as irrelevant to the real world as it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 02:37 PM
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Because they are on Tinder and just looking for a hookup? One of the many self fulfilling prophecies of TRP. Seek out women in the casual bar/club/hookup scene, get butthurt when they care about the same superficial shit you do, conclude AWALT because you can't see past your own dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/15 09:47 AM
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TRP solipsism at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 08:21 AM
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Oh, ok. Well no disagreement there
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 12:47 PM
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Tbh I don't even know what your point was supposed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 05:41 AM
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do you really think the mods have time to put up with people arguing with them, Then don't engage. There's no need to fucking BAN someone because the mods are cranky about their inboxes blowing up. yeah [..] Is it possible for red pillers to avoid being condescending, or do you have to do that in order to keep your membership? My point was right and wrong are taught, not inborn, and our values are determined partially by culture, upbringing, and our immediate environment. That includes people wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 05:32 PM
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I get it. Your empathy only extends to your in-group. The fact that you all feel you have been "subjected to severe emotional [control/manipulation]" and then you turn around and discuss how you might apply that to others... don't you see a disconnect here? Why continue the cycle? Why not just be a support group?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 04:37 PM
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you can get banned for disagreeing in a way that is not constructive or contributes to the conversation Or if you contradict an EC or mod. Seriously, it's structured like a cult or gang. You don't question your superiors. no one asks other people to define right and wrong for them ...yes they do. All the time. We TEACH children right and wrong. Guilt and shame are social motivators for behavioral change. Have you never asked for advice from anyone, on anything? You've never asked a teacher, frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 04:18 PM
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Ok so the part about speaking in general, might want to edit it out? This is from the person you originally replied to: says he's "a bit crazy" but intelligent, SO intelligent. Nearly everyone wants to comment on how brilliant he is. /u/dis_mah_mobile_one[1] even compares him to Plato and Socrates. They even show sympathy as /u/vengefully_yours[2] puts it "What might he have been if he were born in another time or another country where academia wasn't filled with PC bullshit?" I think it's clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 04:08 PM
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"red pill is like a salad bar take what you want and leave the rest" Yeah, and I still maintain that is a copout. Dude, you can get banned there for disagreement; it represents a cult more than a salad bar. People who improve the lives of others ask questions about what whether they are doing is right or wrong. That's all I have to say about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 03:56 PM
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I think one can still enjoy his music and art talent without supporting or empathizing or sympathizing with what he did So? I'm not the person you replied to but if you can and wish to listen to that guy's music, that's your prerogative. Meanwhile, I'm going to consciously choose not to consume entertainment media made by child molesters or homophobes. It's almost like people have different personalities, beliefs and value systems. A book writer who doesn't like gays suddenly makes his books har…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 03:20 PM
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Some people say we already have a skilled labor shortage, but that's false. I think this sort of fear mongering is exactly what MGTOW hope to achieve, and I don't buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 02:34 PM
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subjected to severe emotional control at a societal level That sounds awful... it must be so... moralizing emotional manipulation is banned Oh, nevermind, carry on. But seriously, how can you write that comment and not even notice the hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 02:14 PM
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someone who essentially improves the lives of those around him This is not TRP. That's the opposite of TRP. TRP, last I checked, literally advocates doing whatever you need to do to get what you want. "Sexual strategy is amoral." It's cool if you want to come up with your own thing and call it Red Pill... but that's not TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 02:13 PM
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So... most of the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 02:09 PM
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I took a brief look at the front page. If posts like this http://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2opcw2/if_you_think_were_getting_it_on_tonight_without/ and this http://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2onxlf/denying_wife_cuddling_and_affection_when_shes/ Are considered "success", I guess we have different metrics for it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:59 PM
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Yeah, I mean I don't think for a minute that everyone who subscribes to TRP or some of its concepts hates women. Hell, my own relationship kind of fits in the dynamic described. On TRP it's just wrapped up in this toxic, bitter garbage and if dudes can remove that part and only take the good, power to them. I just get weirded out when even the reasonable ones leap to defend the hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/14 12:56 PM
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I thought of making a thread the other day asking if TRP is prescriptive or descriptive, because I've been reading this sub and occasionally TRP for a long time and I still have no idea. But the boxing analogy kind of falls apart because red pillers aren't hitting each other in the face. The hate speech isn't directed within their in-group, it's directed outward at another group. Even if it doesn't leave the confines of that sub (which is bullshit, I've seen red pillers being misogynistic outsid…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/14 12:26 PM
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Um, no. I specifically said I don't think sociopathic is the right word and I don't really think unfair is either... Nonsensical is probably the best fit. If men value chastity so gosh dang much, why are they chasing skirt? To achieve the social status required to settle down with a chaste girl? Then... were it not for the women he had sex with along the way, he'd never get the girl, so really you should be thanking all the sloots you bang! The cognitive dissonance is astounding. But yeah, this …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 05:51 AM
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I said nothing about fairness... Is this tangent really directed at me? The fact that women and men prefer different traits in their mates doesn't change that you are both having sex. Together. And it's incredibly, I dunno if sociopathic is the right word, but it sure seems crazy to look down on your sex partners for... Having sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 02:16 PM
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None of what you said explains why it makes sense to look down on your sex partners for having sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 02:10 PM
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Just because you choose to view it as a fundamentally different activity for unknown reasons, doesn't make it a different activity. You have sex with a woman. You are both having sex, together. The fact that you have different reproductive organs, different brain chemistry, different goals, different whatever does not negate the fact that you are both doing the same activity together, just like if you and a woman are, idk, playing a board game together, it doesn't mean that you're actually playi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 07:14 PM
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Yeah... This makes no sense. Having sex is having sex whether you're a man or a woman. It's the same activity. In your analogy, you would both be housemaids cleaning a house together, but you look down on your partner even though you're doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 06:53 PM
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The second part of your question... haha, what? Do you really think it's common for even promiscuous women to have a partner count 5 to 10 times higher than that of the men they're sleeping with? Ignoring the fact that women on average have a lower partner count than men, how do you draw the conclusion that men who are fucking casually dont rack up numbers in the same ballpark?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 05:46 PM
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t is difficult to take seriously someone who, in response to some widespread issue, says 'it could be because of the man's actions' when they have never once said 'it could be because of the woman's actions'. Yeah... funny that. Flip the genders around and you have TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 07:06 PM
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But that's their problem, lol. Being threatened by a woman having had a partner with a "higher SMV" reeks of bitterness and insecurity, regardless of whether it's true or not. I fail to see how it's her fault if he gets pissy upon realizing she used to have casual sex. And honestly the whole attitude of this is pretty much reducing the value of a romantic partner to sex. I guess maybe that's part of the problem, I didn't read into it that the hypothetical woman lied about her past. As written, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/14 05:46 AM
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Yeah, I know, and I'm saying it makes absolutely no sense. If all you want out of a girl is sex, you're not going to stick around for a few months. At that point you have more invested, and I think it takes a truly bitter individual to get upset that the girl you're dating used to "give away" what you have to "work for." It's one thing if she lied about her past... I get being upset about being lied to. But being upset by the very concept that her relationships with other men were different than…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/14 03:56 AM
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Criticism is not censorship. Someone pointing at something someone said and going, "Hey, that's fucked up" is not censoring, or silencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 07:47 PM
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I think this is where the OP's statement comes from
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 05:14 AM
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And again we circle back to, if all you get out of a LTR is pussy, why are you in an LTR? Relationships are about a lot more than sex. If you merely see the time you spend with a woman dating her and the effort you put into the relationship as a vehicle to sex... then yeah, I get your position. But then I'd ask, why are you pursuing someone romantically if all you want is to fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 12:20 AM
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I don't like being called a slut. I have a visceral reaction to it, even if it's some idiot I don't know randomly messaging me "Hi slut" as just happened recently. I don't know if shame is the right emotion to place with it. I find it dehumanizing I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 08:02 PM
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But in a LTR, he doesn't get less sex. He would be getting much, much more sex with her than a ONS, so in that frame reference, all the effort would be worth it because it's a return on investment, right? I get it. Guys want sex and want to feel "sexually valued." But guys typically also don't consider a woman who puts out too soon "girlfriend material," which leads to women withholding sex if they're interested in a LTR. That's how we get to the point where a girl is holding out because she val…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 07:54 PM
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But taking it slow implies that the woman values the relationship with the dude more, not less, while spending less money on a chick implies the opposite. Or do you think not putting out early implies she places less value on the relationship? I think I get what you're saying if literally all the guy wants is sex; sure, if she makes this guy wait or spend money on her or whatever and he finds out later she usually fucks on the first date. He feels ripped off. But (for most people) a LTR is much …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 06:11 PM
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The linked post is interesting, if a bit strange ( aside: never understood the idea that if someone's had casual sex before, that taking it slow for a LTR makes the guy feel like a chump for "putting in effort for what others get for free") if that's how men view sex. I admit if a guy randomly told girls he loved them having hardly known them, I'd be put off... but that's because I also don't tell people that I love them easily, nor fall in love easily. I guess I still feel it is hypocritical to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 05:26 PM
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You know what else is tiresome? Seeing red pillers completely dissociate themselves from the unsavory aspects of the sub. Perhaps even if we ignore the fact that TBP is a satire sub, if you could find me a comment on TBP that says all fathers are worthless perverts, you'd have a point. The words aren't plucked from thin air. They come from your sub, from upvoted comments, mods and ECs. I didn't say you, personally, believe this. But don't act like I'm just making this shit up. Sadly, I don't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 06:13 AM
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I think it's incredibly sad you basically had to ask "How can a woman be attractive/valuable to a man other than using her vagina?". That is virtually the same thing since sex = value of vagina in this case. You may want to take a critical look at TRP then, considering how many upvoted comments I've seen talking about how women offer nothing except 'holes'. I think annierex asking that question is well within the context of the way TRP seems to view women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 12:50 AM
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Sexually speaking, most submissives (male or female) are not lifestylers. There is a stark difference between liking kinky sex or being a "weekend" sub and living a 24/7 power exchange. What is your view on men who have a preference for submissive women? As above, if there's something "wrong" with them, why is that? I don't have a problem with this. My problem is (and I notice this more with RPW than TRP, but the attitude is there as well) those who believe a 24/7 power exchange is not only norm…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/14 04:03 PM
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Why tho
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 02:46 PM
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Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 05:02 PM
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lol, I read it and I still don't understand why you're equating BC with eugenics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 04:11 PM
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why not sterilize low income women? Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 03:53 PM
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Thanks for the graphs. I wish the RP readership had the same options as BP readership question, just out of curiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 07:29 PM
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I totally believe that this comment is 100% truthful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 07:44 PM
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Even if I agreed with the core ideology... I like to think I would retain enough self awareness to not get sucked in by or participate somewhere that creams itself over truly batshit posts like this thing on the front page of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 07:28 PM
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I think the implication is that it kind of counters the "riding the carousel to the wall/spinsterhood" narrative. If women's SMV absolutely plummets and they get all used up around 30, why are 30-something women having more sex than their 20-something counterparts?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 06:59 PM
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Yeah, to be honest, I'd consider it if I was really into him and he wasn't saving it for marriage, extremely religious, or asexual, but I would probably hesitate. Someone who is my age or older and a virgin is probably not sexually compatible with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 03:02 PM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 12:07 AM
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Right? Saving this thread for when RPers whine about that or that all RP answers get heavily downvoted while BP comments are upvoted. Good shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 11:25 PM
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because he has insecurities too, but he keeps them hidden so as to appear more attractive to you But you missed the point of my question. If I act a certain way around someone and they fall in love with/love me for this personal quality, even if it's a falsehood, it is still a quality about me and not how I make someone feel. I guess your argument is that men alter who they are around women to make women 'feel' a certain way, and therefore women don't love men for who they are... but that's beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 05:47 PM
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Going back up to your first response to me, you said man's vulnerabilities make him look like a worse provider/protector and so make a woman who loves him less attracted to him. So... wouldn't that mean that the woman is question is less attracted to (in love with) him because of inborn personal qualities and not the way he makes her feel? If I love someone because he is a "strong provider/protector," that isn't a way he makes me feel, that's who he is a person, isn't it? a man's vulnerabilities…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/14 07:05 PM
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40 lines of "butt butt butt" My only regret is that the purge is over and I can't make this shitpost now
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 08:14 PM
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Okay, that makes more sense than the 'unconditionally' bit, but at the same time, I dunno. I hear my female friends lamenting all the time about the lack of 'emotionally available' men. Personally if a guy can't/won't confide in me/be vulnerable with me, it's a red flag and a turn off. The argument is that women love men for how they make them feel whereas men love women for how they are. I see the same problem though... how could anyone realistically make this determination? I think both men an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 08:04 PM
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it meaning different things to the two sexes. Where does this idea come from? In reading the Tomassi link jacks1000 provided, it sounds like this guy just made it up. How can you honestly know whether a woman (or a man, for that matter) truly loves you unconditionally? You can't. There is no way to measure it. I don't know why RPers cling to the idea that women are incapable of unconditional love. Enlighten me?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 07:45 PM
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Who do you hang out with? Where do you go to meet women? I honestly think TRP is a self-fulfilling prophecy in this regard because if you go to the club to meet someone for a ONS... you are going to meet people looking for a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/14 12:43 AM
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Some people seem to find fat women attractive Yeah. Also, some people find serial killers attractive, too. And actors. And politicians. I'm still confused as to what your point is or why you think these search results have any bearing on what women in general find attractive (if that is the "theory" being discussed). edit: I just googled "Channing Tatum is ugly." Try that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/14 05:53 PM
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What is your point here? I can google "fat women are sexy" right now and find tons and tons of BBW fetish sites and people talking about how sexy overweight women are. Yet somehow, I feel like TRP would disagree vehemently.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/14 04:36 PM
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I think you are confusing the idea that women express emotion more openly than men with the idea that women are more emotional than men. There is a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/14 08:06 PM
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When? Right after I spermjacked my 3rd husband and divorce raped him. This was, of course, before I acquired my soft harem of beta orbiters. Why? Why not? Sexual strategy is amoral, after all!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/14 07:42 PM
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The majority of men have so little sex in comparison to his sex drive that they are willing to fuck their own hand as a substitute Or they just like to masturbate? Women do it too, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/14 10:11 PM
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Baby I was born this way
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/14 06:51 PM
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Oh boy. We're not talking about threats, though. We're talking actual attempts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 08:15 AM
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That is partially the author's fault for using a poor example and beginning with such an eyeroll-worthy paragraph. Why do you think women attempt suicide much more often than men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 03:56 AM
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dykes so debate such good faith wow
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 12:25 AM
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knowingly deceiving your husband into paying for this affair-child that he thinks is his own It's shitty behavior, yeah, but I still disagree that it's a crime, or theft really. But I think this is where we will just have to diverge because you seem to be looking at this from a purely transactional standpoint. The guy gets attached to the child, believing and treating the kid as if it's his own. They have a parent/child relationship that won't suddenly evaporate if/when the dude discovers it's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:10 PM
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Anything that disproves or contradicts my preconceived beliefs is wrong!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:01 PM
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lmao Pls report this comment too
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:41 PM
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uhhh you're implying all of TBP enjoys reading "rape stories" and spends all day trolling TRP looking for them, then equating that to closeted gays (or people who have rape fantasies) fapping over stories about gay sex (rape). What am I missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:17 PM
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If someone is raped, they can sue their rapist for damages in civil court. If obtaining sex by deception is rape, then damages could in theory be awarded. Still not seeing a strong argument for why paternity fraud should be a crime. I think it's abhorrent, but not theft.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:16 PM
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If you're arguing that TBP is full of people who secretly have rape fantasies, you are directly implying that TRP is full of rapists. Point proven?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:02 PM
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I am grouping them because you equated them in your OP. Also because I think it's logically inconsistent to argue that, via deception, obtaining money & time invested is a crime while obtaining sex & time invested is not a crime. It's really not all as complicated as you make it out to be; if both parties are deceptive, they should both be criminals, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 04:52 PM
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Okay, since you won't answer my question, I'll ask another. Out of the two of us, which is arguing that consent (to give money or sex) is invalidated by deception?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 04:22 PM
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lol, asking for evidence to back up your claims in a debate sub is so pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 04:03 PM
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If she explicitly promises something in return, sure. But it's not like anyone is going to call her out on it in this gynocentric society we live in. So if a man did the same thing, it would also be theft? If one of your friends lied to you in order to get you to buy them a beer, is that theft? Just to be clear. No, of course it isn't the same magnitude, but it logically follows. Any money spent/time invested out of deception is necessarily theft, and necessarily punishable by law. According to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 04:02 PM
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A woman deceiving her husband into raising this child and allowing him to invest his money Okay, so if a woman uses deception to get a man to buy her dinner, is that also theft? And to continue this analogy, if a man uses deception to get a woman to sleep with him, is that rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 03:44 PM
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it's accepted by most Um... no. I don't think most women think becoming physically violent with their partner is totes okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 01:04 PM
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Yeah, and TRP is #3 in /r/WhiteRights... so you're all racists right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 12:31 PM
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Convenient
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 03:13 AM
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Now imagine that there is one anonymous message board on the internet where people could congregate and air all of their pent up grievances and issues with the sport of baseball and its inability to be criticized in any way. Y'all are so fucking alarmist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 02:13 AM
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In b4 "welcome to TRP, the sidebar is made up and the points don't matter." Seriously though, I am kind of tired of the disparity between the way red pillers talk about TRP in this sub and the way TRP is. There's a reason why TRP is reviled, and it isn't because of "locker room talk" and the desire for "political correctness" and censorship (ironic). I don't understand why moderate/"lite" pillers who defend TRP here are so adamant about ignoring the core ideology (and yes, there is a core ideolo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 01:56 AM
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Critera - intelligence, similar sense of humor, sexual compatibility including physical attraction, emotional stability and openness, devotion, kindness "Nope" - bigot, very religious, dishonest/manipulative, if they have kids or a strong desire to have kids (not a parent, do not wish to be), sense of entitlement I do not intend to marry. For the record, I'm bi and my answers apply to both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 08:44 PM
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Here's the attention you're seeking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 08:13 PM
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I had the same thought, but I don't think so. I do think this whole exercise is stupid and pointless, though. Surprise, when mods openly announce and advertise their complete and total absence from a sub, it gets trolled. Point proven?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:25 AM
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Liberal feminist 41 Women of Color 26 Socialist feminist 21 Cultural feminist 19 Radical feminist 18 Conservative 12 A lot of those questions were hard to answer, I think I answered Neutral on some things out of perplexity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 06:13 PM
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Would it be better to rephrase as I think what people see is a misogynist extremist who killed several people and a place where misogyny is accepted and at times encouraged I didn't create the definition of misogyny, and if you can't see it accepted and at times lauded in TRP and the manosphere in general, you are blind. I find it confusing and strange that the fact that quotes from Rodgers' manifesto directly line up with some "Red Pill truths" is being so readily dismissed. The rest of the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 05:42 PM
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I think what people see is a misogynist extremist who killed several women, and a place where misogyny is accepted and at times encouraged. It's not surprising that a link is drawn. I think it has far less to do with "choking on the pill" and far more to do with the fact that attitudes like Rodgers' are not condemned within the "manosphere."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 01:51 AM
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I really like the new CSS
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 12:56 AM
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You're basically saying "all opinions that are inaccurate are inaccurate." So that's kind of pointless. Anyway, did you get lost on your way to /r/changemyview? I have no idea what this has to do with TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 12:55 AM
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Confidence is a positive and thereby inaccurate opinion. Huh? All positive opinions are inaccurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 08:11 PM
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Maybe I'm being dense or too literal but I don't understand the partners per year question, that's since I've become sexually active right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 02:16 PM
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Isn't it just a way to make her feel insecure? Why would you want to do that to someone you're in a committed relationship with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 05:12 PM
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Why is it a pet peeve? Saying "women have X characteristic" implies that is something unique about women, otherwise why say it? If men also have X characteristic, and since AWALT, AMALT... well, shit, what's the point of making the statement? One of the basic premises of RP seems to be that men and women are different, so it seems valid to point it out when statements about women in a general sense are also applicable to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/14 08:06 PM
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It's the same study he links to everyone who asks for evidence, and isn't topical in the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 09:16 PM
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It's being dishonest and manipulative. If that's your paradigm, more power to you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 08:52 PM
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What is the "RP principle of preselection?"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 11:51 PM
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But you haven't shown me anything that says men aren't marrying, just that they, like women, are marrying later. Given what you just said, I have an even harder time understanding why RPers look down on 'sluts' because it means you get the milk for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 09:44 PM
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It would be easier if my opponent had a coherent position. I honestly think it's pointless trying to macro-debate, since anything claiming to refute or support "Red Pill truth" will be immediately shot down as "there is no RedPill truth." It really only makes sense to debate with individuals who state opinions rather than TRP or TBP as an entity, and to that end, I can't really tell you what TRP belief this study would update.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 09:28 PM
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They complain about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:37 PM
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It's not late women, though. The article is referencing women in their early-mid 20s wondering where "all the good men" went, and it says absolutely zilch about number of sexual partners. You're drawing conclusions from thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:22 PM
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That's not what it says, though. Read the preceding paragraph. Women in their 20s tend to be more successful than men their age. Again, what does this have to do with sexual promiscuity and difficulty finding a husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 06:12 PM
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Did you read the 2nd article? It did mention "where have all the good men gone," but in relation to men in their twenties: Still, for these women, one key question won't go away: Where have the good men gone? Their male peers often come across as aging frat boys, maladroit geeks or grubby slackers not in reference to not being able to find a husband in their 30s. Nothing in either of your links really says that women struggle more to marry later, or that it has anything to do with being sexually…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:59 PM
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Average marriage age has increased for both genders. What does that have to do with "riding the cock carousel into spinsterhood?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:50 PM
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If I understand correctly, I think the standard RP answer is: women and men are "different," and it's therefore not hypocritical to look down on women who "ride the carousel" while themselves being the carousel. I think the rationalization is that promiscuous women make poor choices for long-term partners because it means they will cheat, and that all the casual sex somehow "uses them up" and makes them unattractive while makes men more attractive(?). The reality seems to be that promiscuity and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:06 PM
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I have seen redpillers state that the traits women look for when selecting mates varies and are guided by their menstrual cycle. In other words women’s mate preferences shift between fertile and nonfertile times of the month to reflect ancestral fitness benefits The study suggests this is untrue, so I would suggest updating that view. But alas, I was being tongue in cheek, and thus have failed your game.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:38 PM
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I think "women aren't run by their periods" is a sufficient update.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/14 09:18 PM
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Your questions were addressed to me and very loaded. Maybe someone else will come by and attempt to answer them. As I do have empathy for men's issues, and I do not have a problem with men sharing experiences, I can't. My comment certainly isn't preventing anyone from discussing anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 08:06 PM
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I have no problem with men sharing their experiences and I never said that I did. I'm not sure why you're going after me so hard on this. I made the comment on this thread because it's like, the 3rd rape post in as many days not including the "Red Pill and Abuse" topic and I just don't understand the obsession in here with rape. Actually, I have more of a problem with the idiotic hypotheticals and circular arguments spawned by the numerous "Is it rape????" topics than I do with this thread. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 07:33 PM
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Huh? If you check my comment history I complained on another rape post too. Actually 2 of them, I think. This isn't a support sub, it's a debate sub, so that's a terrible analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 06:51 PM
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it's all The Red Pill's fault because he read that stuff and, as we all know, The Red Pill is all about abusing and manipulating young girls with low self-esteem. I don't think that is the problem people are having with the post on TRP. I think the problem is an EC is talking about it like a success story of sorts. This abusive asshole "maintained frame," got what he wanted and to hell with her feelings because she kept coming back and "reinforcing his behavior." And if some guys take this to he…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 09:18 PM
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Subjective does not mean meaningless. Just because it is fathomable that someone, somewhere might interpret "Want to have sex?" by itself as coercive, it does not mean that someone saying "Want to have sex? If you don't, I'll kill your family" is not clearly coercive or does not invalidate consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 07:13 PM
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it's just an example of coercion being subjectively interpreted Yeah, and I'm going to spare you the counterexample that is completely biased towards MY point, because it's pointless. Asking someone if they want to have sex is not coercion. Initiating sexual activity is not coercion. Did you read the comment where I defined the word? Force and threats, intimidation, manipulation. It can be subjective, but not as completely nebulous as you're arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 06:25 PM
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That's how you imagine it. She said no multiple times, and you have no idea what he said to her to get her to agree. In fact, we don't even know that she DID agree, only that "eventually we were having sex," meaning, she stopped resisting. There is always some degree of coercion from at least one of the parties in sex otherwise it wouldn't happen. I could not disagree more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 06:15 PM
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coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats Obtaining consent by coercion is rape
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 05:56 PM
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Seriously. Could we get a moratorium on rape topics for like, a day?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 03:56 PM
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If your normal sexual encounters regularly involve someone saying no, I would seriously begin to question how normal they really are. I don't know how else to clarify this. I just showed you a source that says up to half of rape victims may not actively resist and a large minority feel totally paralyzed. But you are telling me, if a woman says no, more than once, and does not resist, it's not rape. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 03:47 PM
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I guess so. I just kind of wonder, with all the worry about women making false rape accusations, why a guy would risk it. It's much different in the context of an established relationship, but with someone you hardly know, ignoring a "soft" (?) no and making the determination on your own whether they're playing games or uncomfortable seems like playing russian roulette.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 10:18 PM
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I guess, in the end, I have difficulty understanding why erring on the side of caution is such a strange concept. Like the person you're replying to said, IF it was unwanted, it would be a horrible experience. Why risk it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 09:57 PM
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Didn't you just argue that a verbal no is not enough? Doesn't that imply it is somehow okay to ignore a "no", as in, "push through" and continue whatever activity you're engaging in? But yeah, look up Tonic Immobility and freeze response. Here: Victim Reactions During Rape/Sexual Assault A Preliminary Study of the Immobility Response and Its Correlates Clearly, active resistance is a critical factor in rape, yet anywhere from 12 per cent (Brickman & Briere 1984) to 50 per cent (Amir 1975) of vic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 09:54 PM
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Saying "no" and then going along with it because you can't think of anything else to do... I just said no a couple of times and it should be enough It's actually very common for victims to freeze in response to rape, which is why a repeated verbal "no" should be more than enough and "pushing through LMR" is playing with fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 09:28 PM
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Oh look, another rape topic. Rape: having sex with a person who does not consent, has been coerced to give consent, has withdrawn consent, or is unable to consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:07 PM
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"full" and "stretched out" doesn't have to mean (and ime, does not mean) "painful"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/14 03:50 PM
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I don't think it's rape, just a scummy thing to do. And yes, if a drunk person rapes someone, it is still rape. aside: I wish I understood PPD's obsession with rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/14 06:21 PM
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You are trying really hard to miss their point, which is, just because some people claim something "works," does not mean that it is good or that it even does work. Do you know how many people believe in and rave about, say, homeopathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/14 04:46 AM
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Is this really a debate topic, or a circle jerk over body type preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 07:15 PM
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No, the arguments used to justify circumcision cannot be used to justify cutting off a finger. Having all 10 fingers intact does not increase the likelihood of having cancer of the hand. The odds of you needing to have surgery as an adult to remove a finger are astronomically low compared to the chances of needing a circumcision as an adult due to medical complications. They are just not comparable. And, seriously, rape? You're really, really reaching now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 11:34 PM
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Sure you can. You don't even need a religious reason, though truly only God knows why you might choose to do that. To be more on point, I don't really have a dog in this fight. I don't disagree that circumcision should be banned, but I don't necessarily agree that it is abusive, and I certainly don't believe it is comparable to insane analogies such as cutting off your nose or gouging your own children's eyes out. Such arguments really screw the pooch for your cause (banning circumcision) becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 10:51 PM
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I've found, that in order to justify taking away the religious freedom of others, Intactivists tend to get more dishonest, exaggerate more, use language for shock value Can I gouge out my children's eyes if I believe that's what God wants me to do? You couldn't have proven their point more clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 09:10 PM
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How in the world is the claim "RPS trolls" made invalid by not mentioning other people who troll?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/14 01:54 AM
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It is frustrating to debate with someone who 1. relies solely on their own personal experience to make a point 2. dismisses others' personal experiences out of hand. I can understand SpermJackalope's frustration and it is also why I chose to not engage you further elsewhere in the thread. Personal attacks? You mean like calling someone emotionally immature and unstable and accusing them of crying? Or is it fair game because you didn't start it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/14 07:53 AM
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Do you think it could be possible that you perceive women as emotionally immature because you approach interactions already holding that belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/14 12:12 AM
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Okay but doesn't "accepting" something mean, accepting that it is true? How can you accept something and still believe and act as though it is false?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/14 08:23 AM
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More generally, red pillers find it hard to believe that women emotionally mature (regardless of what science says) I'm sorry, but isn't this the crux of the problem? You literally just admitted TRP ignores science when it comes to their beliefs due to anecdotal experience. Not only does this seem HIGHLY illogical, but how can anyone make a cogent point that you wouldn't just discount due to experience, considering you won't even accept scientific literature?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/14 01:23 AM
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