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This subreddit as well as mens redpill subreddit are both brainwashed. Guys, get off the computer and get outside and live a normal life. Stop using stupid terms like SMV and other acronyms that are used in redpill. It just destroys your mental health. I have noticed that both men and women due to redpill forgot how to be normal people. Mental health is vital for a healthy life and that’s why you’d better get off subreddits like this.
/r/RedPillWomen05/07/22 12:42 PM
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Guess what? You are not a loser. Having no sexual relationship doesn’t make you a loser. I know many people out there who are virgins thinking the same thing. In reality many people find it hard to find a suitable partner and no, hookups or short term relationships are not considered success. Basically, people who are lonely happen to be in this situation either because they don’t meet enough people or have absolutely no motivation doing so due to difficulties they face in life. Imagine a man wh…
/r/seduction28/12/21 11:24 PM
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They don’t hold a sheer amount of power. It is just an illusion. It is unsuccessful guys that have such thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 10:47 PM
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Easier said than done. It's all a matter of self-esteem.
/r/seduction07/12/20 09:28 AM
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Haha...my life in a nutshell!
/r/seduction06/12/20 06:23 PM
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u/savevideo
/r/PussyPassDenied05/12/20 04:43 PM
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I am not interesting in absolutely no way, because I don't say anything or behave in a certain way. I would say I don't exhibit needy behaviour as I used to, but again I don't say anything and still gain a lot of attention. I am not arrogant or cocky by any means. Besides, I sufferes from low self-esteem for the most part in my life. I haven't tried approaching women, because I am recovering at the moment from low self-esteem. I am reading "Six pillars of self-esteem" by Nathaniel Branden. The o…
/r/seduction01/12/20 01:38 AM
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Neediness kills attraction and it is the reason why men get rejected in 99% of the times. Neediness can be expressed in different ways including eye contact. Thus, fixing eye contact can lead to better results. In general, try to kill neediness in your behaviour.
/r/seduction15/11/20 07:57 PM
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Yeah this is absolutely true. I am a math geek and I tend to overanalyze things and miss what is happening in the present.
/r/seduction19/10/20 09:41 PM
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Tbh, I really don't understand how I should talk to women. I mean, if the woman is not comfortable hearing you then any dating advice is pretty much pointless at this point. And I can't exactly determine what makes a woman comfortable or uncomfortable towards me. Seems like I make every woman uncomfortable
/r/seduction17/10/20 11:04 PM
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It's super easy. Just text me and tell him you want to hang out with him sometime or that it's been long since you last saw him and thus you would like to have some fun by watching netflix together
/r/seduction17/10/20 12:42 PM
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My problem is that girls don't seem to enjoy talking to me, no matter how I approach. I am simple in my approach and don't try to look cocky or arrogant.
/r/seduction14/10/20 10:02 PM
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Thank you, I will check it out
/r/seduction26/09/20 12:16 AM
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This is basically the female dating strategy. If a man is not desirable by many women then he is not worth it, although he might be attractive to them. This is exactly how women "logic" works.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/09/20 10:51 PM
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The attention I receive from women has diminished. It might be because I lost confidence or that I have become unattractive but who knows what the real reason is. I haven't approached yet but still my approaches in the past were not successful either. It is just that I don't get that much attention. It is as though I am nonexistent which makes me question my overall attractiveness and doubt whether I should approach. I have become very hesitant and self-conscious due to my hair loss. I understan…
/r/seduction21/09/20 08:52 AM
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Yes, it is not possible to know the reason. The same happens with rejection, since there are many reasons for it to take place and most of the times it does not have to do with you. However, I find it hard not to take it personally.
/r/seduction21/09/20 02:24 AM
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Tbh I never actually understood how this can create attraction. I mean, if a girl is not physically attracted to a guy then there is nothing the guy can do to attract her. I believe that men and women both value physical attractiveness.
/r/seduction21/09/20 01:43 AM
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Thank you for your reply. I guess I'll have to handle tons of "eye contact rejections" and I already sense how detrimental this will be on my psychology. I have just finished reading Models by Mark Manson and I have the impression that the statement: "Women are attracted to different things" is not really true and I fail to understand how this conclusion can be made. I firmly believe that both men and women think the same way.
/r/seduction21/09/20 01:37 AM
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This is some honest comment here. Thank you for your reply.
/r/seduction21/09/20 01:31 AM
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That's excellent advice. But it works for those who have "abundance mentality" and those who have this mentality usually have many options (abundance mentality -> abundance in reality).
/r/seduction19/09/20 07:08 PM
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In the same way women don't value virgin men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 09:58 PM
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That's very well put. It's so true that it has to do with being natural and the way kids grow up. I can now relate that during my childhood I wasn't as boyish as I wanted to be because my parents were strict and put many constraints.
/r/seduction07/08/20 02:50 PM
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Exactly, that's how society conditioned men to be but in practice a different attitude is what is more effective. Thank you for your reply
/r/seduction07/08/20 02:23 PM
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Thank you for explaining. Yes that is what I found confusing. I was talking to a girl that was all feminine and gentle little princess and I ended up adopting her energy because I was afraid to come off as too strong. This is where I think I lose it because I either am too "aggressive" or too "gentle". I am working on finding the middle ground.
/r/seduction07/08/20 01:35 PM
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Thank you. So should someone be straightforward and remain "masculine" with a girl that is gentle and feminine? I always had the impression that girls needed a special way to talk to and that they are not like boys and this exactly becomes very confusing. At least that is how society teaches us to behave in respect to women.
/r/seduction07/08/20 12:40 PM
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And all these combined with body language can make a good impression, I guess
/r/seduction07/08/20 12:14 PM
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You are right. Thank you
/r/seduction07/08/20 12:13 PM
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There have been times girls were playing with their hair and looking at me but not simultaneously
/r/seduction07/08/20 04:23 AM
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That's exactly how I thought about it. Thanks
/r/seduction07/08/20 04:22 AM
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Thank you for your reply! Do you always make eye contact when being loud and outgoing?
/r/seduction07/08/20 03:49 AM
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Thank you for the advice. That girl I talked about in the post, also rubbed my arm which was unprecedented
/r/seduction07/08/20 03:47 AM
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Zero. No one marries someone they are not sexually attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 08:09 AM
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I mean just by looking at someone standing still can you tell if he is confident?
/r/seduction05/08/20 09:18 PM
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Can you tell if someone is confident just by looking at him?
/r/seduction05/08/20 04:46 PM
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Yes! A man will have sex with a woman as long as he has the option to do so. I am talking about the vast majority of men (like 95% if not all men). Men who say they only need one woman in their life (a wife) simply say so because they don't have many options, struggle in dating and hope to find the perfect one. They usually say: I only need one. But it doesn't mean they wouldn't love to be successful with women. It is just that they can't. Thus practically every man would seize the opportunity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 02:05 AM
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Tbh I don't really care. I find shy girls cute. But girls rarely approach. I've never been approached btw.
/r/seduction04/08/20 03:20 PM
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I agree with the whole confidence thing, but it is the bare minimum because without confidence people will show disrespect and there will be many difficulties concerning getting a proper job, making new friends and in general living a full life. You have confidence because you want a better quality of life, not because you want to date that chick. Therefore, confidence is the bare minimum to succeed in life. However, one must have true value.
/r/seduction03/08/20 08:35 PM
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I agree with you. Being attractive to a woman is not enough because you should be confident as well charismatic to keep her interested. However, it determines whether you have any chance with the specific woman. It is what it is.
/r/seduction02/08/20 01:58 AM
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Man you must have big balls to accept the challenge
/r/seduction11/07/20 08:44 AM
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It is highly unlikely a woman approaches a guy and gets rejected. The only thing a woman has to do is: 1. Say hi 2. Smile 3. Ask for his number 4. Go on a date It is a no brainer. It is that simple for us guys. Also, we will not ghost you
/r/seduction07/07/20 11:19 AM
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Well, I always take care of myself and my BMI is healthy. It is hard to approach a woman that has given no IOIs but the thing is you lose many chances. I only approach women that show interest because it is much easier and "safer". However, a really confident guy approaches without expecting any sort of validation from the woman, which is the hardest thing to do.
/r/seduction28/06/20 07:36 PM
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I have a aquare bubble butt and I workout to make it strong
/r/seduction26/06/20 09:34 AM
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Can we say that it is more likely to reject someone we found unattractive rather than someone who wasn't that experienced in the interaction?
/r/seduction25/06/20 07:49 PM
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First of all, I don't use online dating. Secondly, I am not complaining that women don't give feedback. It is pretty normal to not give any feedback, I wouldn't give it myself. Thirdly, it never happened for a woman to approach me, so I have never rejected anyone.
/r/seduction25/06/20 07:27 PM
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Now that I think about it, I have noticed that when I am confident women notice me. But when I am not confident it is like I don't exist. When I say "not confident" I don't mean that I slouch or something but I mean "not using all my posture muscles".
/r/seduction25/06/20 07:25 PM
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The good news is that they are not disgusted by me and are polite, something which did not happen the first time I approached girl. Those who were receptive were very polite and willing to talk. In contrast, those who were not receptive were polite but still rejected me. The strange thing is that those who rejected me were in the beginning checking me out.
/r/seduction25/06/20 07:21 PM
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Can you please explain the fifth point? What does BTS mean? Also, I have a bubble butt, does this make me feminine? Does a bubble butt look feminine on a man?
/r/seduction25/06/20 07:17 PM
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The analogy makes perfect sense to me. Thank you
/r/seduction25/06/20 07:10 PM
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Totally agree with the last part. I am judging based on my own shitty experience (bunch of rejections) thus unless I see a difference myself it would be really hard for me to understand how confidence can create attraction.
/r/seduction25/06/20 02:16 PM
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Man i think you are exaggerating. Confidence can increase your chances but the most important part is for the girl to like you. If this is established then confidence can take you a great step further. This is how I have it in my mind.
/r/seduction25/06/20 02:00 PM
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Not necessarily, higher in league. Even average girls play it hard to get
/r/seduction25/06/20 11:37 AM
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Yes I do lift weights. I am Greek and I am 5'5. I study in medical school and I am an athletic type
/r/seduction25/06/20 05:17 AM
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Good! I have tried many things but I really can't change anything. Everything goes like shit
/r/seduction25/06/20 12:57 AM
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I don't have a great life and it would be bettee for a girl to not get involved in it. This is about me for the last 22 years of my life
/r/seduction25/06/20 12:51 AM
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Like what shit?
/r/seduction25/06/20 12:41 AM
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What you are saying is basic interactions with other people. It doesn't make you stand out
/r/seduction25/06/20 12:25 AM
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I don't understand how confidence can be translated to something visual and thus make someone stand out. Tge only example I can think of is when someone slouches or has a bad body posture then it is visible that the person lacks confidence.
/r/seduction25/06/20 12:13 AM
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I have approached ten consecutive times and I always feel like a piece of shit.
/r/seduction24/06/20 11:55 PM
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I am just going to talk about myself. I am not ugly or untidy. I do take care of myself and try to be neat. When you go outside and noone pays attention to you, it means that women do not see your value as a man. In other words, they don't consider you a valuable partner. You can't really do anything about this. I am confident but it doesn't increase my value in any way. Also, I have stopped approaching women because it is just not worth it. Being humiliated for approaching a woman means she is …
/r/seduction24/06/20 11:53 PM
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Attractiveness. Attraction is not a choice
/r/seduction24/06/20 11:45 PM
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Bravo! I wish all parents were like that! This is what a caring mother should be like. No it is not awkward. She is doing the right thing. She wants you to grow like a man.
/r/seduction24/06/20 11:44 PM
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Creepy is someone who makes a woman feel uncomfortable. This might be because he invades her personal space (e.g. touches her, harasses her etc.) or is unattractive and thus unwelcome. Women translate "unwelcome" into "creepy" without any second thoughts although unwelcome does not mean creepy. So basically what matters is the woman's opinion even if she is downright wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 11:41 PM
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I mean low value women complain. And no, lots of women are not a approached by high value men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 08:39 PM
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Exactly, that is why they reject them and complain about not being approached by high value men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 06:06 PM
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It has to do with value. Women of high value get approached by men of high value and thus do not make such complaints, whereas women of low value do not get approached by men they consider valuable and therefore carp about being alone. The same happens to men that get rejected by women a lot. The difference is in the type of rejection. Women do not get rejected (as often as men do) because they hardly ever approach, but they do get rejected in the form of not being approached. If a woman is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 04:21 PM
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Yeah, PUA tells men to approach any girl they like, which for me is kind of stupid. You end up being a salesman and get rejected right to your face. That sucks and it is detrimental to touer confidence which is a prerequisite to make the next approach. So, it really depends on who you are. There is a newly created PUA community where I live that offers bootcamps and I have noticed that in all their in-field videos the guys that approached the girls where tall and muscular. I haven't seen one vid…
/r/seduction15/06/20 01:05 AM
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Women wear make up, take care of themselves, do manicure, pedicure, go to beauty salons for the men they find attractive. They don't do all this shit or wear heels for long hours to attract men they find unattractive. This is common sense. Yes it is true that women lie about their preferences but they do this to not seem shallow. Men would do the same if asked what they prefer. In general, I don't understand why there is this general belief that women think differently from men. They are humans …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 11:59 PM
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In your post you said you won't have to do anything more than other black dudes to attract women. Did you mean you are successful without trying harder or that you will just expect the girl to be attracted to you based only on your looks. You just give the impression that PUA helped you to get laid but did not make you hotter. That's why I said that you should focus on the result rather than how you made it. You admit you are not that successful because you have to approach many girls to get lai…
/r/seduction09/06/20 10:45 PM
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Absolutely agree with you. "Be yourself" is the worst piece of advice someone can get when he enters the dating field, because being your true self does not mean possessing an attractive personality. If for someone being himself means saying a lot of dumb shit then no he should not be himself and must try to change himself. Not everyone's character or personality is charismatic and perfect in the same way that appearance isn't perfect. Thus, someone needs to put in really hard work to change him…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 08:03 AM
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It depends. Men that get on with women see them as simple people like everyone else. In contrast men that struggle to make friendships with women, are socially awkward, or considered unattractive have it really hard talking to women and thus socializing with them. They usually end up having only male friends and act creepy every time they see a girl in their community as if she is some kind of an alien. Usually these men are considered and nerds. Most men perceive women like any other one. Btw "…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 09:19 PM
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The same happens with us men. Attractive friends gain a lot more attention than unattractive ones.
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/20 03:02 PM
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Yeah exactly. I just wanted to put it mildly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 11:29 PM
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High value men do not "please" anybody because they get what they want. In contrast low value men try to "please" women because they think this is the only way they can get pussy, but the truth is that by "pleasing" they appear as nice guys and thus don't get anything in return or just get exploited. High value men (aka successful men) know this and that's why they don't chase after women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:50 PM
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To get a high value man, the woman must be a high value herself. If she is not high value, no matter how hard she plays she will not get the high value man. As for the high value woman, she can choose the man she wants by filtering out all the low value guys. In general dating has to do with value.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:32 PM
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Look men do their best to win a woman. A pretty woman is a trophy for a man and he will do anything to achieve it even if he is required to invest financially. The thing is that these men are total idiots because pretty women just exploit them for financial reasons. A woman that likes a man is ready to go on dates, kiss and have sex. These should happen within one or two months because otherwise in the majority of cases it is considered as exploiting the man and men know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:25 PM
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Those men just are not attractive and thus complaint about not being able to attract the opposite sex. Successful men do not carp about women judging men by looks which in fact is absolutely fine. Men as well show favouritism towards attractive women and respond positively to them. They even do favours in a bid to impress. The same happens to women. Everybody knows that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:19 PM
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The short answer is yes. If a man knows (because he is attractive) he can bang a lot of women then he will, especially if he is in his early twenties. When a man has a lot of choices then he will not stick around with one woman. He will move on, just because he can. Those who can't do not risk and try to commit. So basically most men want to be desirable but not everyone is and thus do not have many choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:12 PM
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22M N=0
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 09:04 PM
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It depends on what you consider a good mate and at what point you are in life now
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:56 PM
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Obesity is very unattractive because fat accumulates everywhere including face
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:54 PM
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Men will do everything to impress a woman. They are capable of pretending to be anyone, just to make a good impression and get results.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:01 PM
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They must be very dumb I guess. Try finding girls in the library
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 06:21 PM
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Yeah, I get what you mean. Many beginners that aspire PUA believe it will make them stand out like an 8 or 9 after learning their stuff, but the truth is it won't. You are born an 8 or a 9, you don't become one. If someone is a 6 and does exactly what an 8 does believing he will be equally successful then he is doomed to failure. Sure there are people that don't take care of themselves, are fat and because of that are considered "ugly". These people can improve themselves by losing fat, exercisi…
/r/seduction05/06/20 06:20 PM
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Women in their prime years are very picky when it comes to dating but as they get older they lower their demands and seek men that are reliable and won't dump them after five dates. Basically this happens when women want to settle
/r/seduction05/06/20 05:35 PM
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Look nobody wants a stupid woman, the same way nobody wants an ugly woman. The truth is that everyone wants everything, which hardly ever happens. Both intelligence and looks are taken into consideration when assessing a possible mate. But the first thing both men and women notice is the appearance which is necessary for physical attraction to be established. If there is mutual attraction, then flirting takes place. A woman must be very stupid to kill a man's attraction, which is rare. I mean sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 02:38 PM
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I would disagree with the statement. I do care a lot about education and success because it shows what a person has achieved in life. People that don't engage themselves with activities, or don't work are pretty much useless. Although women work more nowadays than ever before, there are still more "useless" women than men. We are now witnessing a transition to become a society where all men and women work. As for women that are only interested in instagram, there are the ones that make money fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 02:23 PM
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Yeah, facial hair makes someone look older. For some people it suits a lot, so they make a routine taking care of it and thus look groomed. It vastly depends on the facial structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:21 PM
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I see. Yeah only a full shaped beard can help. He also is fat so this makes it even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:15 PM
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True, some people are born to have a beard because it suits them a lot. It depends on facial structure. If someone has a round face then growing a full beard and giving shape to the beard can make the face look less round. So, it can improve the overall appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:02 PM
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Well, it depends. If someone has a good bone structure (prominent jawline, hollow cheeks, high cheekbones aka attractive face) then shaving makes him look groomed and young. But since not everyone has those features, trimmed facial hair can give some definition to the bone architecture. So, yeah it is some kind of a mask that hides imperfections which pretty much everyone does in one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 11:35 AM
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I saved your comment and will stick to it. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 11:14 AM
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I am a man (22). I always felt alone and never fit in with this society.
/r/RedPillWomen02/06/20 09:57 PM
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People end up lonely or isolated as you saib because they have some psychological problems or are going through difficult moments in their lives. The thing is men are taught not to express their problems or emotions because it is not considered masculine. Thus men have to deal with their problems on their own, otherwise they are considered worthy of pity. In contrast, women have more supportive social circles. Female friends usually share the burden of the problems that their friend has by givin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 09:38 PM
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Well said but women don't like when men reveal their emotional side. It is a turnoff for a woman although she complaints that he is not emotional
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 08:07 PM
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Women are not attracted to different things. They take into consideration appearance and of course status. These are the most important things for a woman. Personality plays a negative role if somebody behaves like an asshole. But generally it is appearance and status and the rest is being polite, kind, caring etc.
/r/seduction31/05/20 10:14 PM
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I understand your point, you are just trying to better yourself and move to the next level which is absolutely fine. But the vast majority of people on PPD and seduction have a hard time finding a date. As for if I am attractive or not, I have mixed feelings about it. I workout and I am slim and I take care of myself. At school I have been bullied for being ugly whereas recently a girl told me I am handsome. Thus I have mixed feelings about my appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 12:26 AM
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This. This is absolutely to the point. Just the search history can say a lot about somebody.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 10:25 PM
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I agree with you on the fact that people who are successful with dating don't waste their time with subreddits and shit. They just straight go out dating and getting laid. That's what successful people do in the field of dating. The rest (ugly, autistic, awkward, reserved) just engage with subreddits like this and r/seduction trying to figure out how to get laid and stop gettinfg rejected. Attractive people have so many things to do and chances to take. They don't waste time on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 10:23 PM
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I am 5feet5 male 22 years old currently a medical student. I am slim with an average face, workout, take care of myself. I am unsociable always been a loner even in primary school. I am subscribed on PPD, seduction, dating, trying to be able to find a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 10:16 PM
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I have tried a lot of times approaching the opposite sex but I ended up failing. It is just I am unwelcome and tbh there is nothing someone can actually do about it. Sure, there are some guidelines someone can follow but if there is no initial attraction between them, I think that the chances are very slim. Some say that a man should approach with confidence which is absolutely correct but this makes sense when someone can predict the opposite reaction. Confidence means when someone knows the wo…
/r/seduction30/05/20 09:56 PM
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Man I have the same height as you but I really struggle in the dating field, which sucks. I guess you must be very attractive. In general, someone knows if he is attractive when he gets attention from the opposite gender. If he doesn't get attention then his chances in the dating field are usually low.
/r/seduction30/05/20 09:21 PM
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Following social cues is key. Approaching a woman that is listening to music or talking on the phone is stupid. Bearing this in mind there is nothing wrong or creepy in flirting with strangers. And as for where and how people meet, I would say that there are no rules or restrictions when it comes to meeting new people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 11:00 PM
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Yeah, it is true that attractive people are treated better by society. It is the so called halo effect and it applies to both men and women. Chads do get a lot of attention and it is true. The same is true about attractive women. But the majority of people are not Chads nor Staceys and thus considering every guy that is not a Chad, a creep is a very dumb thing to do. My point is that the majority of men is not creepy and should not be considered as such if they behave non creepily. We are not di…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 10:54 PM
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Man I really don't know what to say. I am not Chad. I would say I am average looking dude but I don't act creepy, you know
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 10:48 PM
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Yes that is the point of my post, to say that confidence is key to not be considered creepy. Men should just not give a fuck, that's it, because true confidence means you are not even trying to look confident or show that you are confident. Besides, fake confidence is very unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 10:47 PM
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Have you ever been calles creepy or being treated like shit by a woman that you approached? I once been rejected without even getting to talk to the girl. She pretended to be talking on the phone as soon as she realized I was approaching her. But tbh at that moment I was focusing more in my studies (i am a nerd) and I didn't really take care of myself. I was skinny (but when i approached her it wasn't visible because I wore a jacket, whatever) which made me look ugly and unattractive. I then tri…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 10:43 PM
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Then we men are shallow as well. Do you like ugly women? I guess not. Most of the times some people are ugly because they just don't take care of themselves. For men it is: haircut, facial hair, unibrow, acne, yellow teeth, bad posture, being overweight or very skinny. If people took care of themselves then everyone could be become more attractive than they really are. People are unattractive because they don't want (they are not motivated) to invest on themselves and become their better selves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:54 PM
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Attractive women also get away with more than their less attractove counterparts. And so what? Is there something we can do about it? Does it mean unattractive women are creepy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:42 PM
-1

Well, basically approaching and flirting happens between strangers until they get to know each other. So a stranger approaching a woman is nothing criminal nor creepy unless he invades her personal space. If she responds positively then there is a chance they will meet up. If she rejects him, then there is nothing wrong or creepy with that and he can just leave. talking at them uninvited can be at least borderline creepy, yes. If every man waited for an invitation then the world would be underpo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:22 PM
1

When you say ugly do you mean utterly ugly? Like blindingly ugly? Or maybe you mean people not taking care of themselves? There is a huge difference between the two
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:18 PM
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Do you know why they invade people's personal space? Because they can, it is that simple. People tolerate their shit because they don't mind, they even like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:14 PM
1

u/retentiontemporary How would you respond to this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:13 PM
1

Look, everyone has a different story on this. I am not saying that attractive men do not get away with more. They do in the same way as women do. In my post I wanted to concentrate on specific types of behavior that makes some look unattractive and creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:12 PM
1

Why did you ask your boyfriend in the first place? Since you decided dying your hair, then do so. What is the point of asking if you are determined to do it? If you are asking for your boyfriend's advice then do as he says. Seems like you are putting yourself in this situation without realizing it.
/r/RedPillWomen26/05/20 10:07 PM
1

Some women do this. The same women label anyone that disagrees with them, "incel"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:51 PM
0

But this does not have to do with your husband. It has to do with millions of black people that are treated the same way, which really does not make sense except if people are dumb enough to label someone creepy based on their skin. If this is true then we have a global problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:49 PM
2

If you just take care of yourself nobody will consider you creepy. I am a living example of this. Until I began taking care of myself I have been considered creepy. I still get rejected but I am not depreciated or looked down on because I simply do not tolerate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:47 PM
3

What does this mean: "simp reduction to a cuck torte." I am not familiar with slang expressions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:41 PM
2

Man I don't know...most men saying that women condone attractive people invading their personal space have not witnessed nor have experienced something similar. I can't know for sure if what you are saying is true, but good for you. I personally don't know anybody from my social circle that could support your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:39 PM
1

Do you have an example to back it up? Have you experienced or witnessed anything similar?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:24 PM
2

Exactly but flirting is a mutual thing which means that both people consider their conversation as a flirt. There is no such thing as one-sided flirt. Then it is a flirt but an invitation to flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:16 PM
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Women cannot be creepy, because they don't usually approach and secondly because when they act "creepily" they are considered as shy and not as creepy. And women acting shy means they are attracted to a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:14 PM
1

Then she probably made it clear she is attracted to you. Do you have a living example from your own experience to prove this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:11 PM
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Nope, if you are attractive you cannot get away with invading a woman's personal space.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:00 PM
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I was brought up with mindset that I am a gentleman and I should be kind and nice to women and respect them because they are like little princesses that are sensitive, insecure, unable to stand up for themselves and needing protection. I have come to understand that women are not as feminine as I have imagined (or have been taught to think) and that still waters run deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:02 PM
1

or incel
/r/PussyPassDenied23/05/20 10:27 PM
1

Yeah that totally makes sense. Tbh I enjoy being approached but most of the time it is women in their thirties and taller than me whereas I am 22, which makes me feel like a young boy in front of them. This is the reason I am sometimes insecure about myself
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:20 PM
1

I really don't know how you draw these conclusions. I guess you are experienced and have approached a ton of guys. So you think that beta makes are approached more than Chads aka alpha males? I always thought of the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:02 PM
1

I have got some unknown words: alpha widow (alpha male but for women?), betabux. They why do you approach them and not Chads since they dont like you. I think Chads will like you more
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 08:52 PM
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For example I don't like when a woman doesn't respect me and some think it is attractive and makes us guys get attracted to you. See that's what I meant by bitchy behaviour. Why do you think getting his self esteem low helps build attraction? Does it make men like you? How do they respond at the beginning?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:35 PM
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Some women express their attraction to a guy by being mean to him. They do it on purpose and they think it is a way of expressing attraction. Some guys get annoyed, others enjoy and respond by flirting back trying to maintain the attraction. Others act overconfident by showing off themselves and do things they have not taken any permission like touching, smoking annoyingly in front of the guy and not respecting personal boundaries in general. So yeah it is possible but it is rare. It is the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:29 PM
1

It has nothing to do with being a feminist. Most men desire to be approached and complimented (and I am saying this as man) because it is so rare that we can vividly remember the last time it happened to us (which can be years ago). So if you feel like approaching do not even hesitate as long as you don't act like a bitch which is a huge turnoff for the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:15 PM
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Why do you think feminists like sluttiness. I fail to understand this. I personally am a feminist (in the sense of gender equality but not in the sense of extreme feminism that we see today from some people) and I don't have any problem with the "sluttiness". What really bothers me is a bitchy behaviour. There are women that don't behave sluttily but are deep down bitches. But the fact that I am a feminist doesn't have to do with me liking slutty behaviour. Most men like it anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:11 PM
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Are redpilled men turned off by sluts? I think it is about blue pilled men. Red pilled men are approached more often because they are considered confident, experienced and prudent whereas blue pilled men are considered "losers". Blue-pilled (aka nice guys) are approached by women that are mature and want to settle. I was approached by older women although I am 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:26 PM
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Yes it's a good thing wome are allowed to do the approaching but they usually don't. That's the issue. It is still considered to be a move a man should make first
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:35 PM
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It is not a rant. It is food for thought and discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 12:04 AM
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I get your point. It is by tradition expected for men to certain stuff one of which is making the first move. For example, men are usually leaders (CEOs), drivers, strong, bread-winners, miners, soldiers etc. It is a set of traits traditionally characterizing men. This is slowly changing. Women are working as well. Some become leaders, drivers and in general occupy many of the same jobs as men do. So I would say we are in the changing era where women are changing and become as successful as men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 06:18 PM
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It is just that men are considered to make the first move, which is a gendered trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 06:02 PM
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Most don't really want to be approached. People are not always ready to be approached but it also true that they don't want to be approached by certain people. So yeah both sides are true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 05:35 PM
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I agree with you on the fact that character cannot compensate for looks. They are completely different things. Looks create physical attraction which is absolutely necessary for a relationship or just a date whereas character creates an emotional and mental connection. One cannot replace the other. But it is true that people will overlook most character flaws if the person is good-looking except if he is a real asshole. Look I am short (5ft5). Yes there are women that would say:"eww it's disgust…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 05:33 PM
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Were you ever insulted because you approached a woman? I was never insulted but I was once looked down on and some other time given a "body language" message of "dont approach me".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:52 PM
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Man I am sorry to hear that. I am short as well. I am 5 feet 5. I have been despised for my looks during high school. The first time I approached a girl I was rejected without even having talked. I was skinny with a very bad posture (and when i say bad i mean really bad). After graduating from high school I hit the gym which helped me improve my posture and become more confident in myself. I noticed that people started to respect me and want to talk to me and hang out with me. Then I began appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 02:18 PM
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Love is an emotion and like all emotions it comes and goes. There is love as long you enjoy each other. As soon as you stop taking joy of each other (e.g. after years of marriage) then all that feeling of love you had just vanishes. This is easy to notice when there are financial problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 11:31 PM
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Yeah absolutely. Communicating and socializing with the opposite sex is mistaken as flirting and sexually approaching. It is what it is. That's why we usually see a bunch of girls hanging out or just a bunch of guys only. You might boys and girls together but in each case the number of one gender will be a lot more than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 11:26 PM
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If a woman is attractive she will be enjoyable in bed even if she does absolutely nothing and lets the man do what he wants
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 11:23 PM
1

If you think about it 28% might seem to a lot but in fact is the minority of men if we compare it to the rest 72%. Most men are not sexless. The gauss chart explains this very vividly. For every trait there are people that have it the worst be it looks, money, education etc. So yeah that 28% are inadvertent losers. It is absolutely natural thing to happen. The same thing happens about height, IQ etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 11:21 PM
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Absolutely not, except if women treated me like crap by looking at me with a condescending look, then yes. There is nothing bad about getting rejected as long as you are being respected. Then that's fine by me. I think many people who have managed to transform themselves in some way by becoming noticeable after being considered unattractive in the past, will be filled with negative emotions and contempt, which in some sense is understandable. This applies to both men and women especially when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 11:04 PM
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I didn't say that looks are everything but more that they play an important role in initial mutual attraction. It is the first thing people pay attention to. Of course, intelligence, personality have as well an important impact because they indicate who you are. When I say about a friend asking another to show his or her SO I mean close friends and it is something that is not considered and in fact is very common among people. Women and men as well like to comment and talk about their friend's S…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 05:36 AM
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Everything matters, and height as well. And when I say everything I mean: appearance, hair, money, personality, character, build, strength, education, IQ, skills, dick size etc. Yes it is true that woman don't like short men. If you ask a woman if she would date a short man the answer will be a definite "NO". But the answer will remain the same if instead of "short" you say: ugly, bald, poor, bad personality, bad character, fat, weak, uneducated, low IQ, without any skills, small dick etc. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 11:53 PM
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No, I don't. But when it comes to dating physical attraction is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 11:32 PM
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When it comes to marriage people evaluate each other's genetic material. The first indication of genetic material is appearance. Attractive people are considered higher quality over their counterparts because they are carriers of good genes whereas ugly people (a minority) are considered lower quality except if they have an invaluable personality. This is how things take place in the real world and how people evaluate each other. For sure, people should not judge based only on looks but it is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 11:29 PM
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Just because a man has excelled in some area does not mean he is entitled or deserves a beautiful wife. No one is entitled to anything. There aren't man that would say: I want an ugly woman. Or women that would say: I want an ugly man. Everyone wants someone they like. It is as simple as that. Beauty is sometimes subjective hence the different tastes people have. It is true that an attractive/beautiful wife raises a man's value and makes others jealous of him. The same happens with women having …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 11:19 PM
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Things are changing lately in the dating scene, but what holds women back from approaching is being considered "easy" or "sluts" which I think is a false judgement. Social beliefs don't change from one moment to another
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 08:45 PM
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A lot depends on the circumstances. People are not always willing to be approached. For example, if a woman walks fast, or speaks on the phone or talks to someone else then approaching her is not the best thing to do. Some people don't want to be approached and it has nothing to do with the person approaching. People are more receptable when they are relaxed which is something you can definitely tell. Thus, look out for relaxed and approachable body language. It is easier said than done but sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 04:01 PM
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Not always (e.g. they are shy)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 12:46 AM
2

For most women it is flattering unless someone invades their personal space
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 10:44 PM
2

You must be very attractive and approachable I guess. If you are slavic like your username suggests then that explains a lot to me. Slavic women are the most beautiful. Does it bother you being approached?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 10:21 PM
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It is a general complaint women express.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 09:25 PM
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I get what you mean. But standing and having a woman touch with her boobs multiple times is not a sign politeness for sure. I don't consider every type of behaviour as a sign unless I am pretty sure about it. It is easy to tell if it a sign or not. And no, the bus was not full
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 05:34 PM
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Then only chad would have girlfriends, which is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 04:49 PM
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I am a man, lol. I know how to tell if she is into me or just being nice. A man understands that. If I feel like a woman is interested I will not hesitate to make a move. The thing is that they show visible signs (e.g they accidentally touch with their breasts, hands or handbag, ask what time it is when they've got a smartphone themselves, sit next to me and all this happens when I am on the bus) and when I approach them they get that expression on the face like: who the fuck are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 04:47 PM
2

Thank you for all your replies. There are so many comments that I can't get through them all. I didn't think my post would get so much attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 04:38 PM
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Yes absolutely true. The thing is that after a few rejections it becomes debilitating for the majority of men, which in end just give up. They lose confidence and then it is a vicious circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 04:23 PM
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I don't know man. It seems like there a lot of parameters which a man needs to get right to get by. I have the feeling that dating has become rocket science. There are so many details to watch out for. I really don't understand why it is so complicated. That's what I am trying to find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 03:40 PM
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Thank you for your reply! It is just that you don't feel respected when someone talks shit to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 03:10 PM
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I think you are in the minority of women that are active in terms of dating. The problem is not the rejection a man receives. I would say that it is normal to happen to anyone. The problem is how somebody gets rejected. If a woman looks down on a man with a condescending look then that is not rejection, it is making the other person feel worthless. It is rude. There is always a polite way to reject someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 03:04 PM
1

I disagree with you on the politeness. It doesn't have to do with dating at all. It applies to all human interactions. If someone talks to you politely you have to be polite as well if you have manners. If you don't have manners then you are not worth talking anyway, but you can't always predict this. You can get over with being rejected and there is nothing wrong with that but getting degraded and receiving condescending remarks is unacceptable for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 02:57 PM
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I agree with you on that nothing is guaranteed, but we are talking about the majority of men which means that there is a real problem in the dating scene. I accentuate on the fact that many women complaint about not being approached. You took my phrase out of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 02:51 PM
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I agree with you on the fact that rejection motivates self-improvement to some extent. But when it keeps happening to a man for consecutive times then he loses confidence and interest and is unwilling to try again. This applies to the majority of men that have practically stopped approaching women. No one enjoys getting rejected especially in an abrupt and condescending way. If men are polite to women and show respect then women should also be polite in their response without degrading them. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 02:43 PM
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Absolutely not. But women many times create the eye contact themselves and when men approach them they behave like: " what are you doing here?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 07:35 AM
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We have to understand that humans have developed over a huge period of time. They have managed to create societies, laws, governments, excel in science, art etc. But no matter how much humans have evolved, they still remain animals. At the end of the day we are animals and driven by animal instincts. What holds us back for exhibiting such behaviour is the set of values we have been taught and the social norms we adopt. However, sex is an animal instinct that people possess and sometimes cannot b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:36 PM
2

Yes this makes sense, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. I guess child free relationships are the best
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 12:26 PM
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Not worth the cost means losers. Is there another way to interpret this? Explain
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:18 PM
2

So chads govern the dating scene, is that what you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:01 PM
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Can you elaborate on the "relationship material"?@
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:00 PM
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You mean that those men are just losers
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:47 PM
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Yes absolutely, but I compare men now with men in the previous decade. I have friends that are confident, have their shit together, fit and normal looking yet are single many years now. This is quite common today and I can't find a specific explanation for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:47 PM
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Haha, in general unattractive people are invisible, be it woman or man because what catches the eye of a person is the attractive image of the opposite sex. It is indeed true that creepiness has to do with appearance. If somebody is considered creepy by a woman then the reason is his face and not his manners (in the majority of cases). As for poor people, they have to be extremely poor to be visibly poor and therefore "invisible" to women. A dude with an average paid job is not considered poor. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:08 PM
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Adele is not fat. She has a healthy looking body. No need to get extreme in losing weight. A rule of thumb is to have a normal BMI. That's it, nothing extreme. I wish models weren't skinny but instead had normal healthy weight. Due to all this shit media is projecting, women become self-conscious and get exteme trying to imitate models. Just don't do that...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 12:42 PM
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It is not always possible to change the situation. Hence the term "incel" which means involuntary celibate. People might get satisfaction but it doesn't mean that they lead a healthy happy life. Saying that these people are dumb is also false, because it is not about intelligence. Their sexual market value is low and there is pretty nothing they can actually do. The only exception to this rule that in some cases can do wonders, is if they have fat to lose. I've seen people losing fat and their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 12:34 PM
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This is a desperate and miserable situation to be in and most importantly it is unhealthy. He might get temporary pleasure from it but we can't even think about any quality of life here. So let's be honest he is not happy with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 12:21 PM
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There are people of any kind. Girls like these exist especially in younger ages where people are ruthless in general, both boys and girls. In high school, attractive people have great advantage over their less attractive counterparts. But still girls like the ones you've just described are a minority and should be avoided. It is pretty easy to see which people are toxic, and there is no need to have them around.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:24 AM
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I agree with you on the fact that society is dynamic which means that people adapt to changing circumstances and this applies to the relationship between men and women. As time passes by, society changes and so do the people it contains. Therefore, if women's mentality changes then men also change their attitude because they are adapting behaviour to the new conditions. Same happens with women. As for masculinity I would say that it is about suppressing yourself, becoming emotionally stable and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 06:56 PM
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If a woman considers a man incel just because he disagrees with her, is simply stupid. And tbh I haven't come across with such women. I guess you are talking about a minority
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 02:08 AM
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I absolutely agree with you on this. But there are different types of incels. By definition incel means involuntary celibate which does not contain any negative aspect, right? It is "some" aggressive incels that have created their own "f*cked up" culture which makes every incel seem bad. For example, I am an incel but I do not hate women. Why should I hate women? Have they done anything bad to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 02:03 AM
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Every woman wants to feel beautiful. I think it is an innate desire of femininity. That's why putting make up on (aka taking care of yourself) is something all women do because they want to feel desired and be considered perfect. So it is not about insecurity, besides women don't want to be discrimminated against their counterparts that put make up on. I think that even if a man wears lift, the majority of women would not care. They might get surprised but only because it is uncommon and not bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 01:55 AM
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I don't consider it masculine to wear lifts. See, women and men are different but equal. There is a range of "masculine" behaviour that is typical/characteristic of a man e.g. confidence, security etc. Respectively, femininity is considered as normal for women. As you can understand social norms have created a set of rules for the way men and women should behave, dress etc. It would be weird seeing men wearing skirts wouldn't it? Or putting makeup to hide acne, wearing heels etc. Therefore, it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 01:46 AM
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I haven't heard of women complaining about men wearing lifts and I don't think normal women (which is the majority) would say that. There is an exception to every rule, so it might as well be possible for such women to exist. In general men do not wear lifts. I personally do not know anyone wearing lifts or having ever thought of wearing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 01:30 AM
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I really don't understand why there is so much negativity around women's preferences. I am 5feet5 and as a man I am short but there is nothing I can do about it. It might be that I never had a girlfriend due to my height but I can't know for sure because women won't give any feedback and even if I ask for it they will lie as to not hurt my feelings. Bitching about it does not help at all. It seems like you had negative experience with women. I guess we should try the best we can. Good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:28 PM
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No, because sooner or later my SO will discover my shortcomings. It will show that I am insecure about my height and I know for sure that insecurities turn women off. You can fool others (at the beginning) but you cannot fool yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:08 PM
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I am 5feet5 and would not wear shoe lifts to seem taller. It would be as if I am fooling others as well as myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 10:29 PM
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we have a way better chance than ugly girls do. Agree with this point to some extent. We don't live in the era when men could be ugly and this would not be a problem. Nowadays, women want someone as good as they are, which makes sense. So, this means that an ugly man probably won't have any better chance than an equivalently ugly girl. women judge us more on appearance and other things such as confidence etc than on looks I think that you are contradicting yourself. Maybe you meant that women ju…
/r/seduction31/07/19 07:57 PM
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Well, you said it, you are good-looking. Thus it is relatively easy now to improve your skills in other areas to enhance your attractiveness. You have the foundation, all the rest is just practice. And tbh I don't think that the other stuff matters as much apart from the approach anxiety which certainly needs to be overcome. And one last thing, women are not attracted to wit unless they are physically attracted to someone.
/r/seduction31/07/19 01:20 AM
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Aaa...ok i get what you mean ... thank you!
/r/seduction25/07/19 02:11 AM
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Man I don't understand what you are saying. I am not a native speaker, hence I might not be familiar with slang...
/r/seduction25/07/19 01:53 AM
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Can you please clarify what you mean by fucking close?
/r/seduction25/07/19 01:39 AM
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