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CMVanon35465768/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 02:20 PM
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Debateanon35465768/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:41 PM
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CMVanon35465768/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 07:05 PM
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CMVanon35465768/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:54 AM
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yeah and 90% of the female porsntars are in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:17 AM
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Delusioal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:16 AM
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Yeah but the point is that they don't lust for him
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:15 AM
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Oh so you actually don't mind for instance 39M with 25F?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:14 AM
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Who are you taoking about?? Jalen Green isn't 7ft. Is he dating the woman??? I thought he just got her pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:15 PM
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young men are not into older women. young men like to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:14 PM
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Not really. Guy #1 is 40. Guy #2, no idea. And I didn't say anything about the women's age. I was thinking, middle-late thirties with middle-late twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:13 PM
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I don't know, 5-10% of older women have fucked a guy 10 year younger or more?? I cannot be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:35 PM
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young men are into sex, like a lot, especially with hot women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:33 PM
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Not with the photo, but when interacting with him, in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:33 PM
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Do you feel the same about slut shaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:32 PM
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What if the man is rich? He can hire caretaking services...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:31 PM
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Some would but many wouldn't date her. She looks very fuckable but she's clearly late 30s. Most dudes in their 20s wouldn't seriously date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:28 PM
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I agree most don't, I said "a lot". A lot do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:26 PM
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So you're telling me that if guy #2 was the guy that you had that amazing conversation with you would lust after him?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:25 PM
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There are a lot of women that would lust for guy #1.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:23 PM
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Of course, most men are not attractive enough, and people of similar ages are more likely to be similarily minded, lol. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:21 PM
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Again I ask, are the older women any more likely than the younger ones to feel lust for this man?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:17 PM
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It's just too common and looks a bit narcissistic. Anyhow, the point is that if it's about their age saying that they didn't look like the guy #1 wouldn't be necesary, but you said it, because it matters if he's hot or not. So they are not "creeps", they're just ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:15 PM
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Explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:13 PM
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And you can't share interests and hobbies, and have a similar personality with a younger woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:12 PM
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Ok, so don't spend too much on your girlfriend. Noted. All good now?, are people gonna stop sticking their noses in other's businesses?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:11 PM
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She's fronting lol. Women's criticism of age gaps are not due to concern for the dudes...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:09 PM
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Oh wow, "not finding them repulsive" that sounds hot...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:09 PM
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Hot ones? Sure. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:03 PM
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Mmmmm I'm going to call cap on that...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:01 PM
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I understand...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:01 PM
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I don't think there are more single 40 year old women than men...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:00 PM
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I'm arguing that unattractive guys are going to have transactional relationships anyway and that's not the worst thing. But they shouldn't be ashamed to prefer to date women 10 years younger because they don't get the older women wet either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:58 PM
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Yeah but it is also true that you can impress younger women with less...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:56 PM
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Look him up lol he's good looking. Either way, do you really think that a 25 year old woman that would date him would only be doing it for the money? You don't think she would dig him?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:55 PM
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Here we go again making it about herself and how she gets hit on by younger men and she's "attractive and fit". Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:54 PM
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Men also like older women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:53 PM
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Of course MILFs is the most searched category, if you want to jerk off to women in their 20s you don't have to search for anything in specific!! It's the vast majority of the female pornstars and videos!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:51 PM
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A lot of unfriendly arseholes are succesfull with women. Women rated lawyer as the second most attractive profession in a 1000 person survey: The Most (And Least) Attractive Jobs For A Romantic Partner - Zippia
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:49 PM
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I've noticed a lot of women in these forums tend to make it about themselves out of the blue. Like, seriously, what the hell in the conversation prompted you to start talking about you and your friends like we know you?? (of course, no comment on the "older men that are not hot are creeps" cliche)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:47 PM
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I don't think it's that hard, honestly, as long as you are jacked, well dressed, you are not turbougly and you aren't bellow 5'7.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:44 PM
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Nah man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:42 PM
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the point is, older women don't desire those men sexually EITHER. So might as well pay for the younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:12 PM
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I agree 100% and it has also happened to me. That's why I am saying that average chumps, if they reach late 30s without being partnered, would do better to just date younger goldiggers than to date older women that also don't desire them sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:09 PM
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THe gaps widen the older people get. Which is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:08 PM
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Depends if she prioritizes money or sex appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:07 PM
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I am not talking about "Would date". I am talking about "Would fuck". I am sure he can attract women his age, my question is, will these women find him hot? Will they lust for him? And if they do, why couldn't a younger woman also lust for him??
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:06 PM
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So you find the second guy sexually desirable but not the first one. I am understanding this correctly???
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:05 PM
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You have a healthy mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:04 PM
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Yeah sure which is why many men do better in their 30s than in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:03 PM
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If you think he can charm women of different ages, then it's another matter. I think guy #1 could. I think guy #2 couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:02 PM
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I think they are infantilized by older women that don't like to confront the reality that they are not as attractive as they were, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:01 PM
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Why don't you adress my comment? Why repplying to just say unrelated shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:58 PM
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Yeah but you are talking about men attraction to women. I am asking about the other way around. Do these women find the men sexually desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:57 PM
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I honestly think if most men found themselves in a situation where they can fuck a 20 year old without anyone ever finding out, they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:57 PM
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I don`t get it, do you think they find you sexually desirable or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:55 PM
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Exactly, so if you are not sexually desired, better to pay for a younger woman than pay for an older one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:55 PM
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The question is, will that 36 year old lust for him? And if so, why wouldn't a 26 year old ALSO lust for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:54 PM
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I don't think they would date them. They would fuck them, surely. A lot of them do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:53 PM
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Do they inspire lust? Would you fuck them if offered no commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:52 PM
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And he can't offer that to a younger woman? And are his life experiences and wit going to make older women wet?? Or are they going to make him appear as a suitable boyfriend / husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:51 PM
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Yeah, that's what we are talking about here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:48 PM
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Delusional. Stats show that older men date more than younger, and it's the opposite for women. Because the things that make women attractive are more linked to youth. That's the reason so many older women stay single while so many older men remarry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:47 PM
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If a man dates a woman then both the man and the woman are dating, silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:46 PM
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Yeah, that's my point, guy #2 still would physically desire many women his age, but I don't think the women would.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:46 PM
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Right but my point is that you wouldn't date the second guy, but if you did, it would be solely for the money, right? My point is that that would also be the case for a 40 year old woman. So might as well date the younger one. I think the first guy is attractive and is what I mean when I say I like older men. I think women like you are a sizable minority, but women on PPD seem to think that situations like what you are describing (that you would date guy number 1 because he's hot and also has mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:45 PM
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I want to be clear that when I am thinking about age gaps I am thinking of, for instance, a 38 year old man dating a 26 year old woman. Not a 53 year old man dating a 19 year old. Many women would side-eye at the first type of relationship and would advise the man to date closer to his age, because the younger woman is likely only in it for the money. And I disagree. If the guy is hot, then both women find him hot. If he's not, then neither women find him hot, so may as well pay for the younger …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:41 PM
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Yeah no shit, women prefer young hot rich guys over older hot rich guys. Most young guys aren't rich. Some women are willing to date older if they have more money even if they are less hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:37 PM
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I wasn't trying to imply that it's only about money, but rather about other benefits like "stability", "emotional connection" and all that. And frankly, after a certain age is for fear of dying alone and childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:35 PM
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I think many relationships, if not most, involve duty sex once the honeymoon phase is over. And that's imagining relationships that started when young, "wife goggles" and all that. I hold no illusion that women in their 50s and 60s that are trying to date men in that age range actually lust for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:33 PM
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I think you are right, it is hope. They don't want to think about uncomfortable truths. They wouldn't fuck guy #2, "but surely some other older woman that I don't know would actually lust for him".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:31 PM
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attracted in what sense? Would an older woman want to sleep with guy #2 if there was no chance of a relationship? And how about with guy #1? What do you think the percentages are?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:29 PM
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yeah sure they want love, but i am sure they also want to be physically desired. And so do men. the problem is, most men aren't, especially when old. So might as well date the young goldigger over the old one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:28 PM
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no woman finds the second dude handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:24 PM
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Yeah but that's my point, if you cannot generate lust may as well pay for a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:22 PM
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Dude I used that guy as an example for his looks, forget that he's a pornstar, imagine he's a lawyer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:22 PM
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So far i have like 2 comments disagreeing, and other 2 comments that seem to disagree but they actually agree (they didn't read the post).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:21 PM
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So you are agreeing with me...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:20 PM
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Nobody talked about going as young as you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:19 PM
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So you think younger women find you gross but older women find you hot? that's nature and biology at work. Hasn't been established countless times that men find 20-25 year old women the most physically desirable regardless of their own age?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:19 PM
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Agree 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:17 PM
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I think women over a certain age that are still single realize that they won't get a man that inspires lusts and just settle with viable candidates to avoid being alone. Hell, I've seen it happen several times in my 20s, girls that clearly didn't think their boyfriends were hot but dated them because they were "good boyfriends" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:16 PM
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But they think younger women cannot feel physically attracted to older men but older women can, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:14 PM
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What else can he offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:13 PM
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I am talking about his physique, not him literally. Like, I had a very hot teacher in his 50s in highschool and all the girls in my class were crazy about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:13 PM
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Yeah but that doesn't adress my point. Are older women more likely to lust for older men than younger women? And if not, why would a man choose an older goldigger over a younger one?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:12 PM
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So you are saying that men aren't discouraged to date significantly younger under the pretense that those women that would date them only want their money? Because I've read that A LOT around here...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:10 PM
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It's the usual response. "Young women don't want to date your dusty ass, recessed hairline and limpy dick"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:07 PM
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Yeah, sure, suitable partner. But does she find him hot? Does she lust for him? Would she sleep with him if no commitment was offered?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:06 PM
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I've tried to ask this question like 3 times already in a span of several weeks and it always gets taken down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:06 PM
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Ok but what does that have to do with my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:05 PM
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I agree with you. I think many young women have fantasized about sleeping with a teacher or someone's dad that looks like that guy, but I imagine most wouldn't actually do it. They would get weirded out. But some would. My point is that a young woman that would date this guy would surelly find him hot, not just convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:04 PM
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Sadly every response that I'm getting I agree with a 100%, including yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:02 PM
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My point is 40+ women will want him for his money too, so better to get the hotter woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:02 PM
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About this part: Also if someone is successful but a loser (rich and ugly for example). They just don’t see it as fair. Because being rich for a woman doesn’t increase her chances for men who have all the options (rich/successful/good looking men). But being rich for a man will give him a chance to be with an attractive woman that has all the options. I think this hurst them a lot, but they don't consider that this is only the case because women dig money. So what's the point in denying it. Like…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:00 PM
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I don't think I am going to get many responses, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:56 PM
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Exactly. I think a majority of women over 18 would lust for guy #1, at least in a fantasy scenario. I don't think most would go through it, they would probably find it weird, but some definetely would. In any case I wouldn't assume a young woman that would date him was a gold digger, that guy is hot and still looks reasonably young.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:56 PM
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I know, thanks for the imput but I agree 100%. I am hoping to hear what these women have to say because it doesn't make any sense. However, a caveat that I would add is that it isn't as much about wanting those men for themselves as much as they just don't like hearing or thinking about uncomfortable truths, like the fact that men prefer younger women. I don't think they are worried about THOSE guys picking younger, as much about just stopping having options.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:54 PM
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Ok but becoming less shallow still doesn't imply that they will lust for those men, only that they will care less about not finding them hot, right? So what's the point? My as well get the younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:52 PM
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Exactly, telling a man that didn't get pussy in his 20s that he sould ignore the young women that start paying attention to him now that he has a nice car and money to spare and that he should instead choose an uglier older woman that doesn't dig him either but wants him to start popping out babies is stupid as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:51 PM

What does it mean to "abandon" the Red Pill? I am aware of how women work, and what to do and what not to do. I don't need to talk about it in my personal life, much less my dating life (women much prefer deception and subcomunication anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 04:04 PM
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Oh so you're a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:22 AM
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And you don't date anyone over 25??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:19 AM
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Yeah, how do you think that I know I have ASPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:45 PM
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I don't buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:44 PM
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I didn't like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:44 PM
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Did that make you break up with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:43 PM
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I just never really liked any of the women I slept with, but I think it's before I only went for the easy ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:43 PM
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Thanks man, your answer is refreshing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:42 PM
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That's my thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:42 PM
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I'm not sure tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:42 PM
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yeah ok but I'm not going to give up
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:40 PM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:40 PM
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Well not in my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:55 PM
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Well I don't enjoy being alone either, so I might as well try.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:55 PM
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Escorts aren't attracted to their clients. Also I think I'd like the feeling of having a girlfriend. That and the social proof it provides. Also, children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:54 PM
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I don't think I could have sex with a hooker... I would feel that I am almost raping her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:52 PM
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Will I really need to do that much explaining? How about "I was focused on my studies and didn't really put much thought into dating so I didn't really pursue a relationship"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:52 PM
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I mean yeah but she would do those same things if I had a bad month, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:50 PM
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I wasn't asking only women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:49 PM
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What if I tell her stuff that I did with the girls I slept with? Like watch movies and workout together.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:49 PM
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How did you know he did casual but no relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:48 PM
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That doesn't sound hard at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:08 PM
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I think I would be willing to do those things provided the woman also does.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:02 PM
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I was broke, so I expect to be more attractive in the future. But I wouldn't say I had a "bunch" of casual sex. Probably about 2-3 girls a year since 19.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:00 PM
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I've been in love, it's just that I have a very logical an analytical mind. It's just a way of saying that I haven't found a woman that seemed to be worth the effort they demanded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:59 PM
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When you say "attracted" you mean physically, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:58 PM
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I hope you're right...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:58 PM
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"I've dated a few girls, but unfortunately I didn't click with them... I guess I haven't found the right one yet. Anyway, these past years I've been focusing on myself and my career and I haven't put much time into dating."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:57 PM
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It's not a rule. Also, many women wouldn't be interested in a man that doesn't have the courage to ask her out even though they would never have the courage to ask him out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:55 PM
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I've learned that attractive girls are much less likely to accept casual sex, which is why I want to go for a hotter woman this time, even if I have to offer exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:28 PM
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It is. And the problem is...? The example I gave you is also a double standart.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:25 PM
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Probably this is the situation with many guys who I would say fall into the attractive enough to attract, but not so much that they are willing to do the necessary to have a healthy relationship. In my experience women only put equal effort for men that are considerably more attractive than them. Which means that guys more attractive than me have the same problem: they can only be in unequal relationships with girls on their level. It makes me wonder, though, if there's a level of attractiveness…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:17 PM
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Who said it isn't ok? I am just not attracted to promiscuous women. If a short woman was only attracted to tall men (many such cases in fact) would you use this same reasoning with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:14 PM
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But why would I be a bad partner? I am not a bad friend, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:12 PM
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If that's true then I need to get a girlfriend ASAP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:11 PM
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Ok, I'll try it next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:10 PM
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Are they happy? Are their partners attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:37 PM
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That's my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:37 PM
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I'm sorry but there's no fucking way I'm marrying a promiscuous woman. And what scares me is that I'll reach 40 or 50 and I'll stop having friends because all other men will be partnered and will have friend groups consisting of couples. That and I fear not being able to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:34 PM
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I don't know man, I have ASPD so I don't really bond with people very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:30 PM
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But I don't really get what "emotionally invested" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:29 PM
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Actually I hear that very often from other men and usually those men always have a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:29 PM
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I haven't told them that, I usually just stop pursuing and if they ask me (or more usually my friend) I say that I've lost interest. I'm not sure if telling them that I want them to put more effort would work... Wouldn't that make me look like a whiny pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:27 PM
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Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:26 PM
1

How could it be equivalent?? Finding out that the girl I dated slept with other men while starting to date me would make me vomit. Do girls really get that disgusted with men that aren't experienced??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:24 PM
1

I hope you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:23 PM
1

Isn't that most men??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:21 PM
1

That's a good answer actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:21 PM
1

I've never wanted a relationship with the women I've slept with. Because I didn't really like them. I've liked women, and often they've shown interest, but they always expect me to put so much more effort into dating them than what they are willing to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:20 PM
1

Many women will think that you will struggle with committing emotionally. What does "committing emotionally" mean??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:18 PM
1

When you’re dating someone you want to put in the effort. Then why don't women do it?? It always happens that a girl tells my friend that she thinks I'm cute but when I get her number she expects me to plan all the dates, pursue, possibly pay for stuff... I don't feel like it's a 50/50 effort at all and I see the same thing with my male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:17 PM
1

I would accept waiting for a while if it means getting a relationship. But op, if your content not being in a relationship and enjoy casual sex, why change? If you don’t want to be in a relationship your just wasting everyone’s time I feel like I'm getting older and my options are going to start to diminish. I want to have kids some day. Also, people respect partnered men much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:15 PM
1

I hope you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:13 PM
1

Wouldn't it make sense to just say that a 5 is the average attractiveness??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:11 PM
1

What would they talk about?? "Yeah I dated that guy, we broke up"...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:09 PM
1

I don't know if I will get enjoyment from a romantic connection, I haven't tried it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:09 PM
2

I've only had sex without a condom a couple of times and I will never do it again. Aren't you scared of pregnancy??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:07 PM
-1

But what if the guy tells you that he wants to pursue something serious. I've never introduced none of my girls to my friends or family... If I did that with a woman, wouldn't she take it as a sign that I see her differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:06 PM
1

I treat them with respect and I've never lied about my intentions. I don't know if I have issues with commitment, but it's true that none of the women I've been with I've wanted to be serious with (as time went by I saw I didn't like them very much). And no, I've never tried to get into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:03 PM
1

You dated a narcissist. I am not a narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:02 PM
1

Such an omission would be similar to finding out your couple months girlfriend was sleeping with other men while you weren't exclusive. Do your best. Is this a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:01 PM
2

What are those obvious reasons? You mean that when in a relationship the odds of getting into a new one in the future go down with the possibility that you'll never exit the existing one in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:00 PM
0

Because people are incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:37 PM
1

Because they often act interested but at the same time expect me to do all the work. And often want to wait several dates before having sex. But the biggest thing is that until now I wanted to sleep with several women at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:37 PM
1

Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:29 PM
2

Are you saying I won't be able to keep her? Or that she will also have problems because a mentally healthy woman won't want me?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:29 PM
1

I mean of course they'll take me over a virgin and it's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:28 PM
0

I think you are exagerating how hard it is to be in a relationship. Also, I am a fast learner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:27 PM
1

I don't know, I know plenty of men that are fucked in the head and have girlfriends
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:04 PM
2

You just said that older women aren't going to put up with me because they have experience, but now younger women are also not going to put up with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:03 PM
1

I didn't "target" anyone, they were just the girls that required less effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:02 PM
1

How was he?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:01 PM
1

If I know a girl that is 23 and has had a 5 year relationship, her n count can't be high.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 01:00 PM
1

I mean most of the girl I've hooked up with have started the "What are we?" talk pretty quick, but they were all bellow my league... I don't know if girls that match my looks aren't going to prefer a man more attractive than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:57 PM
1

What about a younger women with no experience herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:55 PM
1

No I'm fucked in the head because I have ASPD and a history of drug abuse. Just please don't string along some random girl who thinks you'll commit to her. You are at an age where people are looking to settle down and start families. If I start looking for a relationship I'm probably going to look for a girl at least 3-4 years younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:55 PM
1

You are actually right... Many of the women that have wanted more from me came up as doormats and turned me off...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:52 PM
1

Yeah, so?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:50 PM
1

I obviously wouldn't say that to a girl...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:50 PM
1

I would be more interested in a relationship if women put equal effort... but they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:49 PM
1

Most of the girls I've slept with I've known them for years... and their boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:47 PM
2

You think I'm too old to get a relationship up to my standarts??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:46 PM
-1

Why do you think I'll be relationshipping women with equal red flags?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:45 PM
2

I mean I guess I would have wanted a relationship if there was a girl that I liked but the girls that I trully like demand from me much more effort than other less attractive girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:44 PM
3

I'll look into it, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:42 PM
3

I don't know, I must have a numb dick or something, because I don't feel much of a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:30 AM
1

But why? What is it about relationships that is soo hard to do? I have friends, isn't a relationship pretty much friendship + sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:20 AM
2

Is it really that hard to be a boyfriend? To me from the outside looks easy as fuck...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:19 AM
1

How old are you? Didn't you learn about clitoris at school?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:19 AM
-2

Poor ROI, but now I'm starting to see the additional social proof and status that comes with having an attractive partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:18 AM
1

When did I call myself that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:17 AM
1

I'm definetely above average in terms of attractiveness but I am also fucked in the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:16 AM
1

Just speaking from experience. Many of the girls that flirt with me I quickly find out they just broke up with their boyfriend of 5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:15 AM
-1

Oh, no, don't worry, I am definetely fucked in the head. I have always put very little effort into dating which is why I've only gotten girls less attractive than me which is why I've never wanted something serious with them. The thing is, as a man, I've never found relationships to have a good ROI. It seems like you need to put much more effort than what the woman provides. But now I'm starting to want to have the social recognition of having a gilfriend so I'm starting to change my stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:15 AM
0

How would she see right through it?? Also, would getting 1 girlfriend and dating her for like a year solve this? Or would it still be a red flag if I only had one relationship throughtout my 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:21 AM
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Condoms. Also, contrary to popular belief, if you're good looking many of the girls you will have casual with wont have had many partners. You usually get them when they just broke up with their long term boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:10 AM
-2

yeah no shit but would it make me unattractive to women? I'm asking both for casual and for serious dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:07 AM
-2

That's my thinking, I will just say that I "dated" several girls but it didn't work with any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:50 AM
1

My idea would be to make up that I am seeing girls from a much bigger city that is around 40 minutes away by car.
/r/TheRedPill20/07/23 03:43 PM
3

What part of my previous comment makes you think that I am a garbage person??
/r/TheRedPill19/07/23 09:36 AM
3

Interesting... I have a couple of female friends, but they are pretty mid. Do you think it would still work?
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 10:25 PM
1

Yeah, you're right, but I can't move right now.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 07:31 PM
-5

I can't fake it for the girls but not the guys... a good part of faking preselection would be to have my social circle gossip about it.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 07:31 PM
-2

Really? You don't think I can use some tricks? I certainly would be very wary of seem eager to talk about my dates, but I wouldn't correct people if they assumed I was seeing girls and I would just say something like "A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell", plausible deniability and all that.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 07:30 PM
-2

Yeah, alright, but how do I get the ball moving?? Moving to a bigger city would take me at least a year, I want to fuck in the meantime... Tinder is dead in my city because of it, the low population.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 07:28 PM
3

First girl started crying without motive, she said that she was crying "because she screwed up by crying and I wouldn't want to hang out with her anymore" (but why did she start crying in the first place?? Who the fuck knows). Bitch is obviosuly crazy so I didn't want to keep seeing her. Second girl told me that she loved me like the fourth time we fucked. Was ultra paranoid about using the condoms correctly because she really didn't want to get pregnant. So I asked her "You would have an aborti…
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 07:27 PM
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The people around me would ask me to show them pictures of the girls...
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 06:15 PM
-2

That... doesn't sound like it would accomplish much...
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 06:14 PM
1

I use it but I don't get what you're saying... If I don't have a cool social circle I'm not going to be able to signal anything on instagram other than me going to the gym and meeting with my male friends twice a week for drinks. And why delete post history? I just have a couple of pictures from holidays.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 06:00 PM
10

That'd be cool but what I think is more important is a list of advice on how to signal preselection. Because to me it seems hard as fuck.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/23 05:52 PM
1

Yeah I saw that video. In my case I wasn't thinking about being a virgin and in that case I believe a 100% you should lie.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 09:19 PM
1

I'm talking when I want to stop fucking around.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 09:18 PM
1

What is is so hard about relationships that I can't learn from plating them?
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 09:15 PM
1

Not uncomfortable, just wondering what the optimal choice is in a strictly pragmatical sense.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 04:12 PM
5

Yeah I guess I'm getting too much into my head, I'm starting to think like a bitch.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 04:11 PM
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What about if / when you progress in the relationship. Basically, right now I'm just fucking around with a bunch of sluts. I'm worried I'm going to be 35 trying to date for real and have women reject me because I've never had a long term relationship.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 03:48 PM
2

That's in line which what I was thinking. Being vague but not saying the whole truth (which would be that I strictly wanted to fuck multiple girls with no strings).
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 03:39 PM
1

On a sidenote, I read in The Rational Male that "How many girls have you slept with" is the first question a BPD girl will ask you, and it checks with my experience because every girl that has asked me that was a huge girl with issues. Does that ring true ? I have no problem with the N-Count question, that's easy to dismiss. My problem is, when I decide I want to look for a LTR, what should I answer knowing that at that time I won't want to give off fuckboy vibes.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 03:37 PM
5

I guess I'm assuming that their reaction to that would be negative and suspicious when maybe they would react positively? Have you gotten that question before?
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 03:20 PM
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ok so Her: "How many girlfriends have you had? Me: "Today? Let me grab my excel sheet". Her: "Hahaha, no but foreal, when was your last girlfriend? Me: "I am actually a virgin, I've spent all my adult life in a monastery" ... I just don't see how you can just dismiss a question like that and keep the convo going without making her feel that you are hiding something.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 03:12 PM
0

And what if after a certain age this is a common question among the women I date? Again, this isn't a question that I'm getting now, most of the girls I go on dates with assume (rightfully) that I'm a fuckboy. But what should I do when I am 35 and the women I date want to know my past experience? Honestly, at a certain point I think it's normal for them to want to know. I can't just dismiss every woman that asks.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 03:05 PM
0

Really? What if she insists? If a woman is fishing for red flags I think not answering would mean to her that you are confirming her suspicions...
/r/TheRedPill27/06/23 02:57 PM
1

I would expect you to see 20 year olds as kids and be grossed by the idea of dating a 20 year old man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 10:07 AM
1

Correct. Women in their 20s are much more flaky than older women. If just for that, it's already harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 10:06 AM
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I am just a few years older, lol. And they are going to fuck someone regardless, so better if it's me. I'd love to see your reaction when you are 28 and read this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 10:05 AM
0

Many women's personalities are insufferable from day one. It's a product of nobody correcting them when they are wrong because they want to fuck them. Quite sad, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 10:03 AM
1

I mean no offense but from a biological standpoint, once the woman hits menopause what sense does it make to keep the woman? I know that love is only about attraction and jada jada but I suspect a great portion of the older married men aren't really attracted to their wives anymore, they just don't want to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:46 AM
0

No offense but you are probably not very physically attractive. The old men that aren't ugly or broke hit on hot women, not just any young woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:43 AM
0

Not true, lol. Young women that aren't hideous can.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:42 AM
1

Avaliability trumps physical attraction for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:41 AM
2

Exactly. Go to any thread on reddit discussing this topic and all the men say that women become much less flaky the older they get. Do they really think young women can be "cornered" when half of them won't even show up to their Tinder date?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:37 AM
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I mean honestly I don't care what you do and I still try to fuck 20 year olds when I get the chance, but only hookups, not relationships because that's weird. All I'm saying is, your brain isn't fully developed yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:33 AM
1

(When talking about women in their 30s) PPD Women: You guys sound like you've never met a woman in their 30s. Many look still very young and energetic!! Me and all my friends are typically percieved to be 10 years younger than our real age, and we have 100s of men trying to marry us, from ages 18 to 65!!! (When talking about men in their 30s) PPD Women: Young women don't want their beer gut, balding head and dick that doesn't work anymore!!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:32 AM
1

Checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:23 AM
1

Where do you live that 20 year olds are impressed by the man having a car? And I already said that 20 is too young.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:23 AM
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Every man in his 30s that I ever ask tells me that women become more approachable and eagier to date when they get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:21 AM
1

That's the vibe I get from them, and I'm not in their dating demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:20 AM
1

Ok, no offense but 20 is pretty fucking young. I'm just a few years older and I can tell you, in a few years you'll see people that are 20 and you'll be able to easily tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:19 AM
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Can you specify what you think makes you unappealing to 40 year old women? Because from what you say seems like you are not commitmend minded, or something like that. That doesn't mean that the women don't want you, it means that you don't want to commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:18 AM
1

I mean, this study talks about "high quality post secondary schools" vs "community college". It seems to be based in the US, so I don't think this applies in my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:14 AM
1

What you wrote talks about both men and women that date both younger and / or older.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:02 AM

They are different. They are less hot and demand commitment quicker. They want you to put more effort for less fun. Overall they are much easier to get but still it's much less fun. I know, because I'm mid 20s and have dated a 30 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:00 AM
1

A 25 year old woman has x15 more men approaching her and blowing her DMs than a 40 year old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:58 AM
2

I'm guessing you are a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:56 AM
3

What you define as the "bare minimum" is likely more than what the women offer men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:52 AM
1

That's a bunch of bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:51 AM
1

That's my perception as well, that older women are more eager to date and their phisical standarts are lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:47 AM
1

I don't give a fuck if you believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:45 AM
1

That's harsh bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:43 AM
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I don't get why they say they do, honestly. They want an equal but won't date a man that's shorter, a guy that makes significantly less, a guy less educated than them... They only want the guy if he's the one to approach, plan the dates, possibly pay for them. If he doesn't get it up, "he couldn't even get it up". If she didn't get wet, "he couldn't even get me wet". If the guy vents their frustrations with her "they are not a free therapist". Even though they unload x10 more on the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:03 AM

Dude, I'm not trying to brag, but I went from a guy with a good looking face but not physically imposing to also being jacked and it was night and day. Mind blowing, the difference. And I'm like an 8-9. Not saying Brad Pitt "drowned" in female attention, but he certainly got plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:51 AM
3

Yeah, in real life people shut their mouth. Not so tough when you can't hide behind a screen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:45 AM
5

A lot of people care. Mainly older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:43 AM
0

THANK YOU. Bitches here acting like it's statistically insignificant when there are thousends of tiktoks by bitter women complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:42 AM

The proportion of married men at those ages is pretty much the same. So you have a smaller pool but also less competition. Also, dudes in their 20s don't want them, unlike in the case of women in their 20s, who everyone wants to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:39 AM

Henry Cavill also says that he is bad with women. It's just bullshit. But I'm sure the attention Pitt got from when he wasn't famous pales in comparison with what he got after.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:35 AM
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No, they say that about 10 year age gaps among people above 25 as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:31 AM
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In your life, probably, because those relationships are relatively rare and people in daily life usually keep their mouth shut. On the internet it's said all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:28 AM
2

I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:24 AM
2

The other day I posted an open question and the mods deleted it due to "Low effort post" or some shit. So I can't make open questions to open a discussion, but if I make a claim to discuss it has to be a CMV so only people that disagree can repply. I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:23 AM
2

Yes, thanks. That's good advice. I already don't drink alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:21 AM
3

Ok, so you don't want to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:20 AM
2

Not all men are average. I am not, for one. It's not "impossible", lol. I intend to date younger when I enter my 30s, and I am pretty confident in my chances. Do you not want to answer, or do you really lack the capacity to imagine what I'm asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:13 AM
0

I'm pretty confident on my chances. I got good genes. And modern medicine and plastic surgery keep getting better.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:12 AM
1

I mean, they are not so uncommon to be statistically insignificant, lol. And I am not thinking about marriage, I'm thinking of more casual relationships. Ok, I'm thinking mainly about fucking. But also, dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:10 AM
1

I'm not talking about average men, I know those don't get young pussy. Imagine a man with that body, but he's neither rich nor famous, and answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:09 AM
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But they are on higher demand, and only a subset of them are willling to date older men, no? Honestly, I hope my experience matches yours. I'm kinda worried that I'll fall out of the young women's age range in the apps once I enter my 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:07 AM
2

I mean, fair. Dating a 19 year old is creepy and I agree that in cases like that it's a very inmature man and the women their age probably don't want him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:05 AM
3

Ok you clearly lack comprehension skills, or thinking skills in general. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:04 AM
0

How do they go directly against data? I never said they were the norm. I know they are uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:03 AM
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I mean, I don't think a woman that sees the guy like that would want to date him at all, lol. Brad Pitt was 40 in Troy. Do you think a 23 year old woman would feel bad for dating him? Let's assume he's not a rich celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:02 AM
1

Mmmm.... okay? Don't mean to be rude, but, why is it so common for women here to talk about themselves when it adds nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:00 AM
2

Makes you think what will happen when we are able to reverse our biological age. I certainly am going to do everything in my power to appear as young as possible for as long as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:55 AM
5

Totally true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:53 AM
4

I don't know, man, I certainly hope you're right, lol. It's just the math doesn't check out. There is maybe 10% - 15% of women willing to date a man significantly older. There is probably close to 90% of men in their 30s willing to date women in their 20s, lol. The ratios are very screwed. Do you have any advice on how to get younger women? For when I enter my 30s...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:53 AM
2

Ok but then the guy isn't dating younger because he can't date older. He doesn't want to date older.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:50 AM
1

But do you think that 32 old man can't date women their age?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:48 AM
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I'm pretty hot, though. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to date younger girls when I'm forty. I just hope you're right and I don't become a pariah. My mom I'm sure won't like it, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:46 AM
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I don't think it's unlikely for men to date women aged 19-24. Depends on the age of the man. You said that I was talking about 25 year old women, specifically. I was not. My argument could also be applied to a 39M dating a 28F. Or a 35M dating a 23F. Or whatever. And age gap relationships are rare, yes. Most relationships are close in age. That doesn't mean they don't happen. Honestly, have you read my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:42 AM
2

What about men that don't have money but are just very hot? Do you think people care? Bradd Pitt was 40 when he played Achilles. Do you think he could get a 23 year old? How do you think people would react if they found out about their ages?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:40 AM
0

You didn't what? Care?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:35 AM
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Still, dating a young woman would be much harder. Men can only get away with dickish behavior with women that are very attracted to them. Are there no women in their 30s who would put up with his bullshit? Really? I don't buy it. There are also women in their 30s that are a mess, insecure, etc. And regular guys that are not attractive almost never get to date younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:32 AM
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Can't you read? I said, "for instance" at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:28 AM

5'8 is not a midget, lmao. You're barelly short.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:27 AM
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I don't care what's in their minds. I care about their behavior. I've experienced countless times women saying one thing and then showing with their behavior the complete opposite. I choose to believe they are clueless because the alternative would be to believe that they are evil cunning sociopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:24 AM
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And why is it hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:21 AM
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It isn't, you're right. But it's the type of "age gap" relationship that gets on women's nerves. They don't care about 60M with 43F. The other one that people care about is the 25M 17F kind of relationship, but those are rare as fuck and everyone agrees that they are creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:20 AM
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I think most women believe that they want to date an equal, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:18 AM

Ok, I guess I see it now. I still believe my analogy is more accurate. I think a lot of what draws both short men and older women to this sort of anguish is the element of inevitability. Men can't grow taller, women can't reverse time. I think it's the feeling of hoplessness what makes them bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:15 AM
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This may be my experience, but by that explanation, I think women prefer relationships with power imbalances. At least I don't think women want to date an equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:12 AM
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My post doesn't refer to 25 year old women specifically. I don't know what makes you say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:11 AM
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Does "get along" mean "can't attract"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:09 AM
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What about men that are just attractive? Forget about money. "Those men know women their age won't put up with their bullshit" is such a common trope on Reddit, you'll find thousends of comments like that. What do YOU believe? Do you think the men that DO date significantly younger women have trouble attracting women their age?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:08 AM
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Do you mind telling me what the power dynamic was? I hear that phrase a lot but I don't really get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:01 AM

I don't see the analogy, frankly. Those men fear being settled. The women that I talk about fear being left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:00 AM

But if the girls don't like getting hit on by older men they wouldn't date them, right? So if the girl dates him, she obviously doesn't mind? Do they really believe that they are being manipulated into dating older men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:59 AM

Exactly. I plan to date women in their 20s when I'm in my 30s, and I know damn well I'm going to have to bring my A game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:57 AM

Why is it that looking for a less demanding woman is automatically viewed as a bad thing? This "they are more impressionable" shit I'm sure makes a lot of men think "Why do I need to impress a woman in the first place? It's bullshit."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:54 AM
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I didn't say that "women with opinions are bitter", lol. I don't give a fuck about you, or your husband. That has nothing to do with the point. Do you believe that men that date younger women do so because they can't get women their age? Yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:51 AM

Totally agree. And I can understand their fear, it's similar to the fear of short men: being left out by a characteristic that you cannot change about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:50 AM
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I'm not buying that you were way easier to date when you were 20. I bet you had x10 more suitors then. What about the guy you dated? Do you think he could not get women his age?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:48 AM

Of course, it's just obvious, lol. To consider that those guys pursue young hot women because the older women don't want them is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:46 AM
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What??
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:44 AM
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Why is this a CMV!?? I am sure I chose to make it a discussion. My title doesn't make any sense if it's a CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:32 AM
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That's right. Was looking for a catchy title, and I'm tired of the CMV posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:31 AM
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No, I put (quotation is called) "" to reference the common saying. And it's not a CMV, I'm sick of those. Open disscussion. (Edit: the mods did me dirty lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:30 AM
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That's not at all what they mean, not exclusively. Most of the age gap discourse is driven by men in their 30s and 40s seeking women in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:30 AM
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It's much more common than 40M 19F. I'm clarifying because, when people critique age gap relationships often refer to jeriatric men dating teens, and that's just ridiculous. Men in their 30s dating women in their 20s is much more common and it's really the type of relationship that make these women bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:30 AM
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Obviously, when there are sex bots there would also be robot chefs and maids. And you are very short sighted if you really believe "nobody is going to invest billions" into something as profitable as the sex industry, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 02:13 AM
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I didn't say she said that looks don't matter, I'm saying that she didn't say that looks matter. Even when the male cousing advised to get jacked, the woman only intervened to downplay its importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:45 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:43 PM
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Nobody "is himself". There isn't one way of being that is "your" way of being. Everyone changes their behavior and the way they present themselves depending on the situation. But, if by "be yourself" you mean "act naturally" (as in not using strategies and planning) then my advice is: If you are happy with the results, act naturally. If you aren't, then use strategies. Seduction is based on deceptin, it's in its core. Women put on make up and clothes that make them look younger and more fertile,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:18 PM
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Anywhere in the world, lol. If you are a young woman, people will try to fuck you. That's a rule of life. Some will want to date you. You need to be trully hideous if you are a woman under 30 and nobody wants to at least fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:14 PM

Because of four reasons: PUA (pickup artists) are often viewed negatively due to the perception that they lack natural charm with women. Their advice sometimes exposes unpleasant truths about female behaviors, making women uncomfortable. Women may feel used if they suspect a man is practicing pickup techniques on them. Analyzing and manipulating social interactions goes against traditional norms of authentic communication, leading to discomfort among society at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:09 PM
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Seriously, though, why wouldn't it self clean? lol. It's a robot capable of doing much more refined things, it can clean it's pussy when you are done.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:56 PM
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Thanks, but honestly this is known advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:53 PM

It doesn't blow my mind, but honestly I don't give a fuck. I wasn't even specifically talking about sexual attention. Women get much more compliments and positive encouragement in general. You guys always jump to talk about pedos whenever the topic of attention recieved is brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:23 PM

If you are one of the rare women that didn't get much attention then you are used to it. In that case your experience is more akin to that of a man. I'm talking about most women, who get inundated with attention from everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:22 PM
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yeah, no shit, my point is that most men are going to aquire more sex with more attractive women if they pursue monogamy and just dump the girl and change her for a new one than if they pursue non-exclusivity., If you can have sex with as many beautiful women as you want, great for you. It's like you didn't read my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:19 PM

I stand by what I said. The women saying this things would get depressed pretty quickly if they started recieving the same attention than the average man. And I'm not talking about sexual attention, necesarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:17 PM

I'm obviously not talking about pedos harrasing kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:44 PM

12 year old girls? What the fuck are you talking about? Are you really 12?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:41 PM

And the reason for the orgasm gap is...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:41 PM
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You really expect an hyperrealistic female robot that can perform just as well as a woman and that passes the turing test (that is, people can't distinguish her from a real woman) to not be able to clean her own pussy? Lmao. Because that's what I'm talking about. Not sex dolls, but autonomous sex robots indistinguishable from real people. We are just a couple of decades away from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:40 PM

The gym example is an exageration that only applies to a minotiry of women. But, it's true that women LOVE attention. It's like their favourite thing. They love it more than they love (like? tolerate?) men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:39 PM

I'm using a tool to assist my analysis, my goal is to hear arguments from many different positions and points of view. I am a man, unsure about what should I pursue, because I don't have all the info at my disposition. Opening disscussions like this allows me to hear other's points of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:34 AM
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Yeah, no shit, and the aggregate of all those things are what constitutes the SMV of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:32 AM
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What kind of games are they playing?? And I'm a youngster, lol, unless you mean "teenager".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:31 AM

That's correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:30 AM
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That's is absolutely not correct. You can't assign a specific number that is objective, but there are big consensus about who is attractive and who isn't. The woman told you a bunch of bullshit if she told you that men are case by case. Men are very much judged against one another, male competition of in the sexual marketplace is the basis of all sports in humanity and the motor of the wolrds economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:07 AM
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Sexual Market Value (SMV) refers to the perceived attractiveness of an individual based on their physical attributes, personality traits, social status, and overall desirability within the dating market. In essence, SMV represents the value that someone brings to the table when seeking romantic or sexual relationships. Factors influencing SMV may vary between cultures and individuals, but generally speaking, people with high SMV have an easier time attracting and maintaining partnerships compare…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:05 AM
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I don't feel too bad for them. There was a study that showed that when women are rejected (or feel they are rejected) by an attractive man, they become more vicious to less attractive men, as a way of damage control for their reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:04 AM

The logic is there for women, but for some fucking reason, thay don't want casual sex for the most part. I don't get it (I mean, I do get it when I look at the evolutionary reasons, but still).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:03 AM
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Elaborate, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:59 AM
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I would also have guessed that most bi men would prefer to just date men, given the reduced headache, but it seems that actually even bi men end up mostly prefering hetero relationships, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:59 AM

Good points, but I want to make it clear that I argued for the opposite in yesterday's post, and this article is just a reversal of my arguments done by an AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:58 AM
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Women nowadays have simultaneously a huge ego and crushing low self esteem. Social media has glogalized the sexual market place, advancements in technology and women rights have made it so most women are competing for a reduced number of men. That takes their sexual intracompetition through the roof... That's why the rates of depression and body dismorphia are skyrocketing among women. But at the same time, they have become more cruel to the lower SMV men, as a way to signal their superiority an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:56 AM
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Post nut clarity will only be achieved with a form of sexual release that it's just as good as the real thing (that is, hyperrealistic sexual robots). Almost every man in the world over 16 jacks off to porn on the regular and the thirst still is at an all time high. You are not going to get simps to stop just by shaming them. Simps will only stop when they can't differenciate if the E-Girl they're simping at is real or a product of AI. When that happens, by sheer numbers (given the extra efficie…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:53 AM

All the women here claiming that the attention they get from men is worthless would instantly have a meltdown if suddenly they started recieving the level attention and encouragement that the average man recieves. (Edit: Everyone seems to automatically think of sexual attention, but it's not only that. Average men pretty much never get attention or positive encouragement in any way, shape or form).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:48 AM
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Most "bi" girls end up realising that they very much prefer to date men romantically. Most bi people end up forming long term relationships with members of the opposite sex. Most women crave masculine energy, they want it and thay want a masculine partner. This "woman are happier single" is just a meme that's lately being popularized in femcel subs and other corners of the internet as a yet another try to diss men as inferior to women to satisfy their ego. Most people want to date, and friendshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:46 AM

They are terrified of ending up alone, lol. Not of women being happy. How much of a misandrist do you have to be to believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:43 AM
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I didn't say such thing... I'm just saying "I know plenty of short men that are married" isn't indicative to success in dating because it doesn't tell us anything about their relationship, and because getting married was extremely easy until very recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:32 AM
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It self cleans.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:30 AM
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If there's a 10% chance of him getting laid how is there a 90% chance of him using her? But, regardless... Do you dissagree with me that A LOT of teenage boys are going to be disencouraged from pursuing real women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:30 AM
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If the complain was "short men don't successfully date", then I don't agree. Plenty of short men are attractive regardless. But, ok, let's say a short guy wants to fuck many women. What would your advice be?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:29 AM
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Can confirm, and you don't even need to get that jacked. It's amazing what a few kgs of muscle and leanness does to a man... You get that and suddenly you don't need "game" or any of that shit, women become open to you and give you excuses to talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:26 AM
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I am not sure what "clear eyed" is, but being cold blooded doesn't prevent someone from being dumb, so... Also, some women are just fucking ugly, lol. Those can't get attractive men, they have to settle, hard. Doesn't matter how clear their eyes are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:43 PM
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This isn't going anywhere. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:26 PM
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That's not agreeing, lol. That's downplaying it. She didn't say "Yeah, the lifting weights is going to help a lot. But don't overdo it, it's important to still be lean". She said "don't listen to him". It's something that I've lived myself. Everytime I tell a guy that getting jacked is going to multiply the attention he gets from women by x10 any woman that is in the conversation always go "NOOOO, that's not true, we like normal men, we don't care about muscles, maybe be decently fit".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:20 PM
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The problem is that the concept of "asshole" has been so degraded lately that by now it just means a man that doesn't allow disrespect. That's why so many incels believe women only date assholes: because when they hear their female friends complain about their "asshole" boyfriends, what they don't understand is that in the female dialect "asshole" means "guy who doesn't do what I want him to do" 90% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:16 PM
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Lol yeah that's possibly the biggest lie women tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:13 PM
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PUAs are very often in opposition to The Red Pill. PUAs focus almost exclusively on game, while the Red Pill advice says that game isn't shit if you don't build the other pillars of attractiveness for men (looks and status).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:12 PM
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It's only true if you are a woman. At least because I interpret "just be patient" to "wait for the right person to come along".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:11 PM
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Ok, but doesn't tha just mean that young men need to wait for their turn to date young women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:05 PM
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Thanks for demonstrating exactly what I said in my previous comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:00 PM
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AI will have a big impact, for sure, but I think the real gamechanger will be realistic sex robots. Many people like to say that most people will prefer to date humans, but you need to understand is that for men to learn how wonderful I'm sure it is to be in a relationship with a woman, the man first needs to court the woman. And that part sucks ass, because it's putting a bunch of effort that's mostly not reciprocicated or even appreciated. How are you going to convince a teenager to go to a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:56 PM
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I just read the original comment, it was the male cousin to advice to lift weights, the girl said "don't listen to him, you can enhance your muscle but you don't want to look bulky". What do you not understand? She only mentions muscle as a reaction to the guy's advice, and only to downplay it. Like, actually read what you just wrote: Him - "I'm telling you man, lift weights it will make a difference!" Her - "Don't listen to him, you can enhance your muscle but you don't want to look bulky" Who …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:38 PM
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I said you aren't ugly, lol. Are you even paying attention? And when I said "value" I was using it as a synonimous with "attractiveness".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:32 PM
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I'm beginning to think that incels are right when they say that women are delusional about their own value.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:27 PM
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Lol what? I assure you that I'm not attracted to you, and even if I was I wouldn't waste time with an attractive woman that I don't know personally. Also, even though I believe negging to be ridiculous and it rarely works, what I said wouldn't be negging, lol. Negging isn't telling a woman that she isn't attractive, that's so stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:23 PM
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Man, you are much more eloquent than me. Could be the language barrier but I really tried to convey my article as clearly as possible and yet it wasn't as well written as your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:17 PM
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I don't want to offend you, but I saw the video you refered to and you are a 4 with a bunch of makeup. I wouldn't call you ugly, but I definetely wouldn't call you pretty, or "decently attractive". Just a low tier mid woman. I can't know for sure, but I suspect that those "grotesque looking" men you refer to are just 4s like you, but you percieve them as lower because they are men, they're judged more harshly and they can't really hide under 4 pounds of makup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:14 PM
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You are not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:07 PM
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Yeah, ok, agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:07 PM
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1-2 years sound too long for my taste...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:06 PM
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I mean, knowing that you are 23, my guess is that you move among a demographic of very uncommittal women... and maybe you don't give a lot of boyfriend vibes... Are you saying you try to get them to date you but they just want to fuck??
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:06 PM
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Man, I need to move to the big city soon...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:05 PM
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Dating is an economy, there is supply and demand... there is always the possibility to stay single, yes, but most people at some point don't want to be alone and most have to make compromises. That doesn't make their partners shit, lol. Very harsh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:04 PM
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So if you are a loser virgin you shouldn't pretend that you are not a loser virgin? I understand is beneficial for the woman that has to judge the fitness of such man, but, what does that man get from that other than continuing being a virgin loser? The point is, if you pretend not to be a virgin loser for long enough... you won't be one anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:03 PM

How could someone possibly read that comment and interpret it as anything other than the girl contradicting the guy and downplaying the importance of muscles to attract girls... It's astonishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:59 PM
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women find really jacked guys more attractive. You are thinking of steroid users. Studies show that there is no upper limit of natural upper body musculature that doesn't correlate with higher attraction. Look at this picture. Most women find the "Athletic body" as the most attractive, more than the "Fit" body.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:58 PM
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The guy correctly advised him that hitting the gym would be the most impactful thing for his dating life (in a positive direction) and the girl told him to "not listen to him", and downplayed the importance of musculature ("you don't want to get too bulky"). You are doing serious mental gymnastics if you really thing the girl was advising to build muscle as one of the most important things to get girls (anything else would be incorrect advice).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:52 PM
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Being married isn't indicative of it being a happy relationship for the guy lol. Like, I'm not some blackpiller that believes that you are doomed if you are short, but common, being married isn't a metric for success in dating, unless you are happily married. Specially considering getting married was until very recently just something that people did, everybody got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:45 PM
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Define "short".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:43 PM
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Also, it's still totally useless advice that changes nothing for the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:42 PM
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That still is absurd. What does that actually mean? If you are a loser that doesn't get pussy you are going to want to be someone else because being who you are doesn't make you happy. The best advice for that person is actually "Be someone else".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:40 PM
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It's not the only thing that matters, but it's the most important thing. If a man only could improve one thing about themselves to attract women, physical appearance would be the best choice for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:38 PM
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I think it may be a matter of location. Am I correct to guess that you live in a big city? Dating apps for my city means that I run out of girls in like a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:34 PM
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Not every woman is smart, lol. Also, I don't know what you interpret as "shit men".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:33 PM
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Something doesn't check out... My guess would be that you are a physically attractive man with some serious impediment for girls to want to date you... like being totally broke past a certain age or something like that... Am I in the ballpark?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:32 PM
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It could but it's not, lol. Biological differences like differences in testosterone or men being more numerous than women in the high end of the IQ curve make it so most great achievements are acomplished by men, given than women are more risk averse, more mediocre in terms of intelligence and less neurodivergent in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:31 PM
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I'm willing to listen to you if I can learn to become better at it, but I'm going to need more clarity than "maintain an air of mystery". What do you mean? Can you expand?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:26 PM
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Hard to believe... None of the women you fuck want to date you seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:25 PM

Are you disagreeing with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:24 PM
1

You're absolutely right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:24 PM
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Correct. They are also responsible for most of the awesome shit that happens in the world that isn't related to caretaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 06:15 PM
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I didn't know you had a vasectomy. Makes sense, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 06:14 PM

The definitions around what constitutes a relationship have changed a lot. If you told people from 50 years ago that you went out with a girl and slept with her but never met her family or friends and that after 4 months you broke it off, they would never say that was a relationship. If it was said by a woman they would think she's a slut. This is how girls get to 2 digit n-counts without "ever doing casual sex". It's just an excuse. This is also how women misdirect any accusations of sharing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 06:11 PM
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I think most average and bellow average men know that they can get a girlfriend. The complain usually is that they (correctly) percieve that the effort needed to achieve that isn't balanced at all with the effort than the woman makes for the man. They feel like two mediocre people should invest the same into the courtship, but mediocre women are willing to put in orders of magnitude less efort into mediocre men than what mediocre men are willing to do for mediocre women. They are also upset that…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 06:03 PM
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If everyone adhered to your advice there would be like 12 people dating in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:59 PM
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Straight men are the perpetrators of most hate crimes to the LGBT community, that's true. But that doesn't mean that they are the main perpetrators of homophobia per se. For instance, when contemplating a relationship with a bisexual person of the opposite sex, women are much more turned off by the idea than men. Personally, I think women are just as much if not more homophobic than men. They are just less dangerous in general...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:58 PM
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I stand by what I said. In most cases of a "casual partnership" is going to be observable that the man is at least 1-2 points above the woman. People seem to forget that male 6s can also have casual sex: they just have to go for 4s.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:45 PM
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Dude, you should always wear a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:43 PM
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True, and something that I take into account, that's why I plan on getting married at some point. But, the truth is, the market is changing. A LOT. 60% of young men are unpartnered? How many are downright incels (meaning, no sex, no dates, for years)? 30%?20%? Those are huge numbers. ​ How many umpartnered men will there be in 2040? It's predicted that half of the women under 35 will be, or something like that. The stigma probably won't last. Also, I plan on being self-employed in the long term …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:42 PM
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I don't care about the terminology. If you are sexually exclusive, you are a monogamous pairing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:39 PM
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Why, what do I get from that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:38 PM
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I've observed that women that are otherwise very liberal suddenly become social conservatives when it comes to something that they percieve as detrimental to women (particulary true when they start approaching 30). Like, if you heard the advise that women shouldn't worry about marriage when they are young and they should date different types of men to explore and discover themselves, and that it's ok because they always can just break up, everybody would see it as normal. If someone declared "th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:37 PM
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What you say is true in the current climate. That's why I think, if nothing changes, that I will start looking for a wife in approximately a decade from now. I'm not sure this is how things are going to be in the future, seeing the decline in marriage rates. You say this now, but it's quite possible that in 20 years most people are unpartnered. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Why would I be third wheeling? Couldn't I just bring my girlfriend? Why am I in your scenario a sort of mgtow guy but at th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:27 PM

Listen, I don't want to make you loose your time. I don't trust your judgement of the attractiveness of those men, and even if I did, this isn't about your personal case, this is about general trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:21 PM
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Honestly, I won't mind the robots at all. Women have lost interest in men because most of what they want from us is already taken care of: Resources?, modern technology has liberated women from domestic dutties, for the most part. Now they can use the freed time to pursue careers and make their own money. Protection? life is safer than ever, they already have protection collectivized in the form of police and army. Also, guns are easy to acquire. Attention? Malle attention is one of the things t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:19 PM
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You'd be surprised. Even then, most men should, given that women definetely do bloodless multivariate analyses, even if they mask it under an emotional state.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:08 PM
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1-3 years seems too long, according to my observations. The attractive and sexually succesfull men I've met usually have a new girl every few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:07 PM
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I mean, yeah, if I see no future I still prefer to have sex than not have sex lol. I wouldn't lie to her if she asked me, but they usually don't. Nothing wrong with enjoying exclusive sex with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:06 PM
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what?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:05 PM
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Yes, correct. Not advising to lie, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:04 PM
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Exactly, who says I don't care about her after we break up? Honestly, I've observed that women very often think wanting sex with a girl but nothing serious, or wanting to date and spend time with a girl but not believing she is "the one for all time" means that you don't care about her. It's crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:03 PM
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I mean yeah it's not that serious. Women don't care about men's struggles and they act in their own benefit. Women string guys along all the time. I wouldn't date the same woman for more than say 6-8 months if I didn't see a future with her, but... that's the point, after that honeymoon phase it's been observed that women reduce the sexual frequency and at the same time become more demanding... That's when you can separate serious couples from "flings". This is, by the way, very often how older …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 05:01 PM

"less attractive" than whom? If it's less attracctive than you, you don't, that's the basis of hypergamy. If it's less attractive than a a different guy, well... because you can't get the hotter guy into a relationship. This is something very basic. People go for the better deal they can get... In the context of monogamy, there is a 1-on-1 ratio men/women. That's why most couples are looksmatched. When it comes to casual, few women at any given time want it or are willing to entertain it, vs pra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:57 PM
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Ironically this happens all the time between couples, but it's 9/10 times the woman who does it lol. Honestly, all I'm advising is to do what women naturally do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:53 PM
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"sadly" to there not being a solution other than the robots, or "sadly" that they are going to have a huge effect on the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:52 PM
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It's not that serious. All I'm saying is, it's better to date exclusively; if at any point you are no longer interested you can just break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:50 PM
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Still, you need to make the effort to go to places where you can meet new women. Even if games just "comes natural", you are going to keep going to nightclubs and bars and you are going to keep approaching new women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:49 PM
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I don't really care about the terms. If you are only having sex with one person, and you have agreed to exclusivity, that's monogamy. Monogamy used to mean "One person for life". Now it's more "one person at a time". Hence, "serial" monogamy. You may use the term you want for the relationship you have with a sexual partner, if you are exlusive, you are monogamous, if you are not, you are non-monogamous. I'm arguing that going for exclusive pairing yields better results with more attractive partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:47 PM
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Even if I agreed, looks is just a component of smv. With casual relationships the "personality" aspect becomes less important, but there are other things to your attractiveness that are not directly factored in with looks... for instance, you may be a great lover, or you may have money to spend on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:45 PM
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Yeah, I think a lot of people are reading my post as a sociopathic rant because I've delivered a very analytical and cold approach to the issue. My point is not "Date women anticipating a break up soon", it's more like "If you are unsatisfied with your sexual life, dating someone 1-on-1 is better than searching for casual sex, because the quality of the interacion is better with a monogamous relationship, and because there are really not negative consecquences. Even for a guy just focused on sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:43 PM
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There's no solution to that other than waiting for sex robots sadly. Those will be a huge turn on the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:02 PM
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15 bunnies? Really? Very hard to believe...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:01 PM
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I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. Doesn't check out with my experience and I don't really believe women when they tell me this things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:00 PM
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Again, you must be attractive enough to plate women of sufficient attractiveness to you. Wether that is that you are happy fucking 6s or that you are hot enough to plate 8s, it's irrelevant. My post was titled "Most men". Most men aren't going to be able to plate more than 6s. Actually, more men are going to struggle to plate 4s.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 01:52 PM
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It sounds great, the problem is the quality of the girls you get. Maybe you are attractive enough to get 8s to sleep with you non exclusively; I at the moment am not. I can only get 6s. And the ratio effort / sex isn't as you describe. It requires more effort to "plate" 3-4 women than it is to "date" one. And plating requires much quicker rotations of the girls, which means more effort into constantly seducing new women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 01:46 PM
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Your handful of casual experiences that you had are not an indicative of anything, it's just anecdotes. I have the scientific paper. Again, I'll link it to you when I get out of work. That's if I actually believed that those guys were not of a higher SMV than you, which I don't. Not with consistency; I could believe a couple of lucky guys. And I didn't say you need to be particulary hot to get casual sex, I said you need to be parcitulary hotter than the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 01:43 PM
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With the casual girls, I made it clear since the beginning that I didn't want to be exclusive, I rejected meeting their friends and I didn't really invite them to many activities outside my flat. With these new women, the beginning was pretty much as "casual" as with the other girls, but I put more effort into pursuing them, payed more attention to them, invested higher effort into the dates and was willing to wais for more dates before having sex. This woman I'm dating now has already met my fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 01:39 PM
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Men get more sex in the first months of a relationship than pursuing casual sex. Most men at least. Specially if you adjust for effort needed. It's expected for a new couple to have sex at least a couple times a week, and that's a low bar. To have sex a couple times a week with a roster of women that agree to sharing you is going to be much harder, you are going to have to apply much more effort into constantly entering new girls into the rotation, since most "plates" are not going to last more …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 12:48 PM
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Were they sleeping with several girls at the same time?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 12:04 PM
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I've left the house, lol. I used to only sleep casually with girls and all I got was 6s that still got clingy after a time. Since I started to offer exclusivity relatively early, I've dated two girls much hotter. Just going out with them made other women give me eyes. And when I broke up with the first one I started to get serious signals from other attractive girls that had heard of the breakup...hence the new girl I'm seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 12:03 PM
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I'm sorry, but that's just not true. In a few hours I'll have time to look for the paper, but I suspect it's not going to convince you anyway. To me and to every man I've ever talked to about this (in real life, I mean) it's clear that women go for hotter guys for hookups (because they can) and that, as a guy, you can get hotter girls offering exclusivity than without.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 12:00 PM
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You don't need to have "no feelings" for a person to know that you don't have long term future but still want to date for a bit for fun. Also, agreeing to exclusivity doesn't mean declaring love or planning for a long term future.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:58 AM
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Reread what I wrote. I'm reffering to the sexual attractiveness of the man, not his behavior towards the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:37 AM
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The problem is, the most sexually succesfull guys that I've met have been much more serial monogamist than just non comittal people. If you as a man want to experience the validation of sleeping with a bunch of women before you settle, pursuing casual monogamy is much more effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:35 AM
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Because many men that reject relationships are misguided about the benefits that the pursue of casual sex brings. I'm appealing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:33 AM
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Women not conciously choosing to be that way doesn't change anything. This is yet another instance of behavior that comes natural to women being considered evil or sociopathic when it is advised for men, just because for men it requires a concious rationalization of the strategy instead of being based on instinct. Most of the women who serially date end up with a good deal. On average, a better deal than the men, anyway. It's not a symtom of an issue, it's biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:32 AM
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Yeah, pretty much. I find it strange how this is so controversial considering this is how many young women date. There are many 22 year old girls with boyfriends that don't expect to end up marrying the guy and are dating for fun. Women are also famous for branch swinging so I don't really see the problem. As usual, typical female behavior is judged as evil if done by a man if the man applies it with a tiny bit more systematical manner than the femenine "this is how I feel at this moment".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:18 AM
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Or maybe you trully like one of the women that you date and you end up marrying her. I'm just trying to convince the guys around here that are so unwilling to pursue relationships instead of casual sex that a relationship in this day and age is not such a big deal because you can exit it at any time with no repercutions, and in the case of the man it even becomes a bonus as gaining experience is attractive in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:13 AM
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Yeah I mean, if that's the normal course of relationships then staying in one for longer is just a nightmare for the man. The "traditional course" of the relationship may be something that satisfies women's necesities but certainly not men's, so I don't see why a man looking at that arragement would not prefer to exit such relationships. Dating a woman for 8 months is not wasting her prime years. If she wanted to continue the relationship wouldn't it be beneficial for her to maintain the level o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:11 AM
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Serial monogamy is the default dating mode for like half the women in their 20s in the developed world and nobody thinks they are sociopaths lol. I said in the text "If a relationship becomes unsatisfying, men can simply move on..." which is something that doesn't require lying and that women can do as well at any moment and in fact do all the time. That's what serial monogamy means, it's just the ability to end the agreement at any moment if a better deal appears or if the current deal isn't sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:06 AM
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Not really. What exactly is stringing them along? I said in the text "If a relationship becomes unsatisfying, men can simply move on..." which is something that doesn't require lying and that women can do as well at any moment and in fact do all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:55 AM
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There's a big consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:23 AM
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That's not how math works pal hahaha.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:18 AM
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Both things happen, men use the promise of relationships to get sex, and women use sex to get into relationships. Both are very manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:15 AM
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I personally think many times that they say that the guy actually didn't say that. It's happen to me several times, when I was clear that I didn't want a relationship and still got blamed. Here's how it usually goes: You tell her that you are not looking for a relationship. She complains that, even though she agrees to it, she doens't want to feel used. You should do activities outside of the bedroom, and if you are FRIENDS with benefits, she should be able to hang around your friends from time …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:13 AM
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If you were able to seriously date these men, this post isn't about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:59 AM
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I'm not saying "swipe yes on ugly dudes". I'm not even saying "swipe yes on dudes at your league" (curious how you automatically equate the two). All I'm saying is, if you only swipe yes on guys above your league, the only men that will swipe yes back will want casual sex. The men above your league that look for relationships are not going to swipe yes on girls bellow their league. So these women can do what they like, but they should stop bitching. Because, if they say that ALL men they encount…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:55 AM
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I meant, all of the men that reciprocicate interest. The men above your league that don't want casual won't reply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:51 AM
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I'm sorry, but you are not convincing me. Everyone has their opinion, but when they've studied it, by asking people to rate other people's attractiveness they have observed that: There's a lot of consensus about the attractiveness of people. Someone's 5 may be another's 6, but he/she will be almost no one's 9. The vast majority of couples are very often matched in "mate value". It's rare, pretty rare, to find a couple with large differences in mate vale. In fact, the literature suggests that by …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:44 AM
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I didn't say the men are free of fault. And it's not really "giving them a chance". It's going for the men that they want. Sadly for them, most women can't get the men that they want for something more than hookups. They should admit it instead of bitching about how all guys just want easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:39 AM
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That doesn't make sense. They could just stop swiping, no need to be buried in messages. Swipe through 10 profiles, swipe right in the 1-2 that are in your league and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:37 AM
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You see handsome men seriously dating ugly women in a monogamous relationship? Reallyl? How common is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:35 AM
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I'm not saying this or that side is wrong. I'm not team men, I don't give a fuck about them either. I'm just trying to figure out if my theory has any flaws because, as much as I can tell, it's pretty clear much of what women complain about when it comes to men is caused because the culture is encouraging / allowing them to open their legs after a couple of dates, instead of having sex when a relationship is already stablished. That, and seeing the online dating data it's evident that many women…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:30 AM
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You mean, am I only interested in casual sex? Yes. But I am upfront. Obviously, not to the degree that I am rude. I don't treat her "differently" because she's a 7. I don't really make that assestment in the moment. I make that assessment later if I look at it logically. It's just that you cannot control what you are attracted to, you know? The percentage of women that I find fuckable is much bigger than the percentage of women that I'd be willing to introduce as "my girlfriend" to my peers and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:21 AM
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Ok? Are you arguing that the women that complain that all the men just want sex are not making poor choices? I'm constantly hearing them complain, both online and in my personal life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:13 AM
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You are simply wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:10 AM
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There may be less than ever, but they still are the majority by a huge margin. Proof is, every woman I've ever had a (consensual) casual fling with has eventually whined about me only wanting them for sex. And what do you mean by "many of us are not"? Complaining, or looking for casual?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:10 AM
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I don't think all hot men are assholes, read my 4th paragraph. I'm pretty hot myself and I don't think that I'm an asshole. When I say "use" her, I mean in the usual PP woman definition of "He only wanted sex = He wanted to use me as a fleshlight". I would agree with you that consensual casual sex isn't using, but many women here tend to disagree. To answer your question, I don't really do that explicitely, but I certainly prioritize women that make it easy for me to fuck them. I just respond to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:05 AM
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There's deffinetely a big consensus among people about the "mate value" of individuals. It's been studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:37 AM
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What? Many? Isn't the whole FDS / Femcel deal that they are mad that men only want sex? Now it turns out that they are fine with just casual? Then what the fuck are they complaining about? If a woman wants casual, she can have as much as she wants with men much hotter than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:37 AM
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Yes, but the distribution of likes would be uniform. But it's not. Because many women go exclusively for men above their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:34 AM
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Do you have reading comprehension problems? What the fuck are you talking about? Women in my league don't get offers of commitment from men above their league, that's why those women are in my league and not theirs. Like, seriously, it's been several comments now in which you've completely made up what you think I was saying. Do you actually stop to read my messages?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:33 AM
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Oh, I know. It's advantageus to them, that's why they keep doing it. And I'm glad, personaly. But they do LOVE to complain. I just wish they could just quit their bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:29 AM
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What? I didn't talk about me. I don't know why you think I am entitled to casual sex, I'm just saying, the only men capable of pulling it off are good looking. And what makes you think that I seek casual sex with above average women? I've had casual sex and it obviously has been with women bellow my league.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:27 AM
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I don't know what anything that you said has to do with my post. And I'm not bitter, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 12:24 AM
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All I'm saying is: If all the men you date only want sex, then you are going exclusively for men out of your league. I agree that a more attractive man is less likely to lie. But many women here often say that "he only want's sex = he wants to use me like a fleshlight", and I'm bearing with them for the sake of the argument of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:57 PM
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What does that add to the conversation? I am talking about how women's complaints about men in online dating are of their own making.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:53 PM
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Read my first line
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:38 PM
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I updated my post to provide further proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:24 PM
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Why are you making shit up?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:23 PM
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She didn't really need the evidence and she's not going to change her mind even with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:22 PM
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I replied as if she said "handsome men WANT to sleep..." but know that I noticed, yeah. Does she really think that non-handsome men sleep with women casually with any sort of consistency? It's like she doesn't even make an effort to see reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:22 PM
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It's hilarious to see FDS users, who supposedly develop a strategy to get HVM to commit to them simultaneously claim that commitment is a patriarcal invention to control women. Women desire commitment more than men and are less prone to sex outside of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:20 PM
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I'm not disagreeing, lol. I just think it's better to leave this discussion for a different thread. Besides, women often claim that this happened even if the guy didn't actually pretend. It has happened to me three times. I always explicitely said that I didn't want a relationship and still they said that my behavior was misleading because I introduced them to my friends or shit like that. If you say to a women "I don't want something serious but would be fine with casual sex" most of them will …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:18 PM
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Tinder for men has a GINI coeficient worst than 95% of countries. That means that the top men hoard many of the likes. https://paulvanderlaken.com/2019/07/31/two-tinder-experiments-an-unequal-economy/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:09 PM
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I also don't believe that consensual casual sex is using someone. I'm just using the verbatim from the women here for the sake of argument. And I'm just telling this to the women that complain that ALL men just want sex. The women that are fine with getting pumped and dumped can go ahead and enjoy their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:05 PM
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That definetely happens, but women do it just as much (probably more, tbh, but that's just my opinion).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:01 PM
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How??
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:58 PM
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I dissagree. I only used Tinder for 2 weeks, but most of the female profiles consisted on two selfies and a couple lines of bio. I later created a female profile as a kind of experiment and the male profiles I saw were mostly normal. I just think women don't like men that much lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:58 PM
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The market determines your league. Who you can get for a long-term relationship, is your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:55 PM
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Because if they want a relationship they will go for the most attractive woman they can get, lol. And I don't actually think that pursuing casual is using. I'm just using the usual verbatim of the women here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:54 PM
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We pretty much never see that. The vast majority of couples are "mate value" mached. I can give you the links. I don't assume those men are more likely than not to be relationship oriented. I'm saying, the only men interested in a relationship with them are going to be in her league.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:52 PM
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Even with the gender ratio.... Fucking 4%. It's so low... When I found out about this data I was perplexed. It's so fucking low... Like, how can someone reject 95% of the suitors before they even speak... and then have the audacity to claim to be the less shallow gener?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:50 PM
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I mean, they don't even need to look for evidence on the internet. I've seen my female friends use tinder. This is so obvious by now...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:49 PM
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If you only go for men above your league, you do know. 99.9% of them will only want casual. It's like this by definition. Your league is who you can get for long-term relationships. If all the men you go for only want casual, you are bating out of your league. The alternative is that no man wants a relationship, which is obviously false.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:47 PM
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I'm not assessing their mate value, lol. I'm just saying, looking at the swipe data, it states to reason that many women are rejecting every man in their league. And the only men that are going to want a relationship with them are going to be men in their league. Like, let's be real. With women swiping right in such a small % of the profiles (again, before even getting to talk to them), one could think that they are very picky but their tastes are varied. But when you see that the top % of men h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:45 PM
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This is increasingly the case with the erosion of monogamy and chastity as the standart for succesfull relationships and societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:41 PM
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Are you talking about me? Who did I insult?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:40 PM
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Ok, I think I get what you are saying. You are saying that men don't know how to present themselves on dating apps, so they appear to be of lower mate value than what they actually are, so women in their league find them to be bellow her. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:37 PM
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No problem, but I think they are going to remove your comment because of the CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:34 PM
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If some men you try to date are like that, ok. But if it's all men, then it's obvious. I know many men using tinder and most of them don't bring up sex quickly. Hearing women in this forum say that their experience with the apps was horrible because all of them just wanted sex and nudes makes it pretty clear what the issue was.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:34 PM
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So you didn't read my 4th paragraph. And I already posted proof, it's in my post. A scientific study proving that men have higher standarts for relationships than for casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:32 PM
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In the context of online dating it doesn't make sense because women reject these men before they get to speak. In the context of real life dating you got a point, many of the men looking for casual won't say that they see them as bellow. Still, one would expect women to learn and not act as if it's a universal male behavior rather than them not acqurately assesing their mate value.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:30 PM
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Thanks, I found another article saying the same. It's mind boggling how they still try to play dumb. They could go to r/TinderData and see the difference in the posts made by males and females.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:27 PM
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Here you go: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/the-math-behind-dating-apps-women-like-only-4-out-of-100-profiles-men-more-likely-to-swipe-right/articleshow/75736043.cms And here: https://usustatesman.com/economics-of-dating-2-the-brutal-reality-of-dating-apps/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:26 PM
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Average dudes get with average girls all the time. Not as much as before, because many men today are low testosteron porn addicted losers and many women today are social media addicted sluts delusional about their real options.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:17 PM
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Men going for uglier women for casual sex doesn't mean that they don't also go for women in their league for relationships. And I'm not complaining about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:15 PM
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The only men that might want a relationship with a woman are going to be men around her league. If she only goes for men above her league, she is rejecting all candidates for a long-term relationship. What do you mean by "benefit of the doubt?". Should I assume that no man ever wants a relationship with a woman?.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:13 PM
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You didn't read it but still you are going to comment on a CMV? You are agreeing with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:11 PM
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My post says nothing about the quality of the male's profiles or how much successs they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:10 PM
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Do you need evidence to the claim that some men don't have good intentions with the women they pursue?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:09 PM
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What? The average dudes can get with average girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:08 PM
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Read my 4th paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:06 PM
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That's why my title is what it is. Nothing guarantees not getting used. Having realistic standarts mitigates the probability.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:06 PM
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I agree, I'm just using their definition of "using for sex" for the sake of argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:05 PM
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Ok but aren't comments here supposed to try to CMV? No offense but your comment is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:04 PM
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I don't understand what you are saying. You don't need to tell hot women to only go for hot men, they already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:04 PM
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You didn't read my post. Read the 4th paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:02 PM
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What are you trying to say? That NONE of the men in a woman's league will try to use it? That's ridiculous. And both men and women tend to go for mates similar in mate value for long-term mating. The probability of a woman finding a man significantly more attractive than her that wants to date her seriously is almost non-existant. If you are going to commit to just one woman and invest into the relationship, you are going to go for the most attractive woman you can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:01 PM
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I totally get it. I'm using "using you" as per the habitual PP woman definition of "he wants sex but not a relationship". I could make a different post explaining why I believe it's ridiculous to call consexual uncommitted sex "using me for my body", but for this post I just wanted to make them understand why so many women seem to never encounter a man that wants more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:58 PM
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I said nothing about infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:53 PM
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The sex was pretty damn good according to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 03:13 PM
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I mean it makes sense if both are waiting for the other to make the moves to get them horny xD. Did you hear the joke: Two women go out on a date. The waiter leaves the check. Stalemate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:17 PM
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The unhinged woman is the one saying that the other girl has a right to talk shit behind my back because I don't want to drive her around and dine her just so she can later take a train to suck another guys dick. Like, how do you have the balls to to that and then complain to my friends that I don't care about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:52 PM
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Nah, I just meant that if I'm a side piece I'm going to act like one and keep my mouth shut. I don't care who she fucks. I just am so offended by the fact that she makes me pick her up when she lives near me but she travels for hours for him. And she openly talks about it in front of my friends. Like everybody knows that she has a huge crush on this guy and she always complains that he's toxic af and also fucks other girls. She talks about him like "Things are not advancing with this guy". If th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:33 PM
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How am I wanting bf level treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:19 PM
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Are you asking me?? Oh shit I just saw that you have a little martian with long hair as avatar. Guess that means girl. Ok but how do you dance with guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 10:51 PM
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Well she told me that she wouldn't walk 10 minutes to my place, that I needed to pick her up, but then she traveled two hours by train to meet a different dude, and then she came back to complain about him to the rest of us, so... I doubt she desires me over just feeling wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:50 PM
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Nah I concede, I was wrong. My problem isn't about transactional relationships, my problem is sticking my dick in a psycho slut lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:42 PM
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What?? lmao I just need a woman to open her legs without me giving her money... it's precisely when I'm required to pay for stuff when I doubt that they really desire me...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:41 PM
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I don't want to fuck a woman unless she finds me desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:36 PM
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ANd how do you dance with girls then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:26 PM
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That would make sense if it wasn't because the other guy is doing the exact same thing (as she tells everyone) but he still fucks her. In fact, she's told others that I'm just like him but somehow I need to drive her around and the other guy doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:23 PM
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I mean that's what I do, sway back and forth. But when a girl wants to grind with mme that doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:34 PM
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We are in the same friend group, and we've fucked a few times. She doesn't want fwb, she wants attention for when her crush isn't available.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:27 PM
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I do shine at parties, just not at dance clubs. I'm a smooth talker and I always have drugs to share, but in a club that deosn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:26 PM
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She contradicts herself. She wants to not feel used but whenever we are in a group she keeps babling about her crush. I don't know if I'm supposed to be "the other" or what, but if I'm "the other" I'm not going to put more effort than the main one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:25 PM
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But what can I do? Even on molly I can't dance for shit. You think I wouldn't want to? I'd be getting so much more pussy than now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:24 PM
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It really was just once that she called me, the other times we were already at the same place. But whenever I told her to meet, she never could.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:23 PM
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I don't have any intentions. I ignore her for my own good. I still have feelings for her, but obviously i don't want her to know that. Me not caring about her doens't mean that I don't care about anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:22 PM
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I mean, I'm ghosting her, but I still have feelings for her. I want her to think I don't care about her but that doesn't mean I don't care about anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:51 PM
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No, I said that we only met when she was the one who called. Whenever it was me she wasn't avaliable. But now it's over, now she says I use her and don't care about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:47 PM
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If looking hot was enough I wouldn't have this problem
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:49 PM
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Where does the asshole part come from? But what you're saying is not engaging emotionally. You're smile and shrug would be a mechanical planned action, as I assume you wouldn't feel like smiling after being rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:49 PM
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I'm talking about the initial stages. I am sure women add a lot of wonderful things to a man's life once they are already a couple. But for the seduction process it's 95% male effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:01 PM
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We met at a club through mutual friends, she said to my friend that she wanted to me to fuck her (not that it wasn't obvious). We went out for a smoke and never came back. There was no asking out. But all the other times we've fucked have been actually when she called me. When I call her she never is avaliable. ​ Are compliments and plannimg the date gender-specific? Yes. Yes they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:48 PM
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A hooker wouldn't find me sexually desirable (probably). We already spend time together, we are in the same friend group. When she asked to go out with a couple that's in the group "You want to do double dates now?" And she denied it. Those weren't dates according to her. I just don't understand how she can expect me to treat her like a grilfriend while she fucks other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:44 PM
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You're honesty as a woman is very refreshing. And I don't think you do it with malice... But if she doesn't want fwb why was she the one to ask for it? And why does she demmand my attention while she fucks other guys? I think she's just either a trubo-slut or a fds user.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:42 PM
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Give her compliments, drive her around, ask her out, plan the dates, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:40 PM
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You are right, totally right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:39 PM
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Yeah, you're right. But I don't have any othe girls to fuck at the moment and it's going to take a while since I'm not going out much this days. By the way, is it these days or this days?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:37 PM
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I already have and she has started badmouthing me... Do you think there could be a way to keep fucking her without having to do extra work?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:30 PM
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I wish I could, but I am just not gay. So you are saying, men always have to pay, right? It's a matter of finding the better deal...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:28 PM
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Ok I get it now. My particular woman is just stupid. I guess if every "relationship" I've had has felt like a transaction it's my fault for not picking better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:25 PM
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Ok, then, what made this woman that invited me to her apartment the night we met now start demanding that I take her out and drive her around? What could have I done to make her think I'm a loser? Also, she says she wants to be friends outside of bed but never acts like one. She's never asked me to hang out or called me to see how I've been.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:23 PM
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Of course, that's what I've done. But she's now badmouthing me, telling others that I don't care about anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:20 PM
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Ok but it seems girls get mad because guys don't do stuff for them that girls never do for their men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:19 PM
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ok but don't you see how that makes it unmalanced? Why doens't SHE start showing that she's sexually interested? If men were the same nobody would be fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:18 PM
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Can you explain what you mean with the last two paragraphs? I apologize for my english.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:16 PM
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Yeah I don't know, girls seem to want you to dance with them and stuff before you fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:15 PM
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Ok but it still means that the man has to do something other that start to make out to "get her in the mood".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:14 PM
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It seems I misunderstood the meaning of the term. I thought it was about not sexual gestures.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:12 PM
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She is fucking a different guy who she likes more than me, so I don't think it's that. She constantly complains about him with the group as if nobody knew that we're also fucking (everybody does). She just wants attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:09 PM
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So it's just a matter of initiating sexual contact? It has nothing to do with wanting to feel desired by gestures outside of a sexual context?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:07 PM
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Women essentially spend much more effort looking for reasons not to fuck a guy than for reasons to fuck him. And it's natural. Once you fuck them a couple of times it starts reverting. The solution is to not complain and just take the approach that these women aren't people but just numbers, like chess pieces on a board. You don't react with emotion to their rejection, you just assimilate the new info and continue with the next one. Do you play poker? In poker you learn to not react to unlucky p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:31 AM
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I never do that and still they get mad!! Two women in my life have tried to friendzone me after we hooked up and it didn't work and the two of them got mad that I didn't want to hang out with them anymore... They said that I only wanted to fuck them if I didn't want to stay friends after they rejected me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:15 AM
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Having a negative reaction to rejection is human and natural. Women loose their minds when they are rejected. It's funny to me how all this advice about how a man needs to act and react to women means in practice that the only guys left are guys that have learnt to see women as interchangable and guys like me who just don't display emotional reactions about almost anything (sociopaths). Every woman I've been with said she loved how confident I was in my approach (because I just don't feel emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:12 AM
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Every one of my female friends that I saw using tinder used it as a game. "Ugly, ugly, ugly, handome!" "Look what this guys are telling me, it's hilarious". "My bestie helped me make a tinder and I already have 24 new IG followers". It was a validation tool. I don't buy that half the men in these apps behave grossly. Maybe they are gross, but most try to mask it. I think girls just don't use tinder to date because it isn't appealing and they don't need to meet strangers through the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:07 AM
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We can just start importing immigrants from Africa and the Middle East like parts of Europe if people won’t get their act together That's the only solution, other than artificial wombs. Import another more traditional culture that replace your own in a couple generations. Most of the developed world has absurdly low fertility rates. It hurts me because I'm not traditional and I love our culture, but it seems succesful societies are not compatible with free female sexual choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 10:57 AM
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So you are saying that even when you don't have a height advantage when abroad and also a disatvantage still women in other countries are easier and more pleasant to deal with than american girls? Man, I've never bee to the US but judging by what people in reddit say american women are the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:03 AM
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What the hell are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:59 AM
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Women only ignore at the club guys they deem ugly lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:54 AM
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Men in asia and latam are shorter on average and have a harder time groing facial hair. Both things are two of the main components of physical attractiveness in men. It's a not brainer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:13 AM
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Exactly. Women wanting an equal partner that makes them laugh and has a good personality is very 2000s, buy know most men know that attraction for women is about looks, status and money. Compatible personalities come later. Guys without looks are going to need to use their status and money, which is much higher in the foreign market than in the US / Western Europe. It's just economics. So many people saying at the same time "older men are gross, these young poor women only want them for their mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:11 AM
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I already said that these dudes are full of shit if they claim to care about traditonal values. But these women are more attractive by virtue of being less fat on average and younger than the elegible candidates that they have back home. Slim caucasian women are more attracitve? Ok, whatever. Ugly dudes are not getting slim attractive women unless they rich. And being rich is way easier for an american in the Phillipines that in their home country.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:05 AM
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Happened to me. Shouldn't have done it. Started peeing black for a week lmao. What I meanis , I'm sure this girl found me hot. Because she told me. And because she took me to the bathroom to bend her over a toilet xD. She had a boyfriend. I mean, she said they weren't a couple but she still felt bad about it. Pretty sure the guy didn't agree with her. But I digress... I'm saying that the only way that you know a girl finds you sexually attractive for real is if she doesn't anything in return for…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:00 AM
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I already conceded that I missread.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:55 AM
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I mean it's manipulation on paper and on reality but manipulation is a huge part of human interactions... I've always been fascinated by the visceral rejection that most people feel for the cinism that guys like me display. It's like everybody sees what I see but nobody wants to admit it until the right time comes... I remember when I was in second grade in class, I don't remember the context of the conversation, but I ended up replying to the teacher that I was pretty sure everybody wanted beau…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:54 AM
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I'm in the frontier between millenial and Gen-Z, so I've grown up with this, and even then when instagram started, when I was a teenager, I always thought how cringy and obvious it was but everybody acted as if it wasn't. I've always felt like an old soul, not sure if in a good sense or bad sense. Happens the same with musical taste. Lol you know what I always wonder that too Do you actually wonder or is just rethorical? Because it's a pretty easy explanation to give: It's called anterior pelvic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:46 AM
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I'm demisexual Off topic but it's hilarious to me how as a culture we've had to invent a new term for what used to mean just "I'm a woman".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:35 AM
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I'm pretty sure this post is going to be deleted, but... show enthusiasm. That's it. If the guy knows about your lack of experience, he won't mind your lack of skill as long as you are enthusiastic. Much of what makes a woman good in bed is just being enthusiastic and loud. And of course, try to guide him in what you like. Don't phrase it as a negative "I don't like this...", instead use a positive "I like it more when you...". ​ but don't want to come be too strong all of a sudden. Don`t worry …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:33 AM
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I appologize, I realise I am being insensitive, as I don't know where you live. In my country it's definetely easier to be a gay man, though. And it doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. You think you don't have to keep your date interested because you date men. And women flock to gay men, but charming women with your personality and getting to fuck them are completely different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:24 AM
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There are a fuckton of women that are adicted to the validaton that social media gives them. They post silly selfies and pictures with the clear intent to show their physical attributes to recieve attention. They keep saying that they do it for themselves but we don't buy it. It's not all of them, but it's legit half the women in their 20s. And I'm not talking about the insta-thots, I'm talking milder stuff that still comes as cringy. Even these habit that so many girls have to record whatever i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:21 AM
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Yeah, man, I get laid here (a modest amount) and still I'm thinking on visiting some of these places if I'm going to get laid more... Just the height advantage... I go from being average height here in Europe to being tall in Asia and Latam. Huge boost.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:01 AM
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Oh, I agree, but I thought at least they were willing to put in the minimal effort to maintain the relationship. I don't understand how these guys don't divorce them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:58 AM
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Then respectfully, what the fuck do you know about picking up women. You have NO IDEA how lucky you are. Do you know what I would give to be a gay man? In my life I've been hit on by strangers 6 times. Two times it was women, the other 4 were guys. Picture that. Again, no offense, but you shouldn't talk about stuff you have no bussiness with. Go talk to any bisexual guy friend or girl friend you have that have dated both men and women and ask them which gender requires more effort. I'm actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:56 AM
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How do you know what so many people do in their homes after they give birth??? And you don't have maternity leave in England, or it's only AFTER you have the baby??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:38 AM
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It sounds like your family was very poor. I'm sorry, it must have been tough. And I don't want to offend, but if your mother was working and also doing all the household chores then your father was an asshole unless he was like a fisher that spent 6 months abroad or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:37 AM
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God damn. And I bet these women would still get mad and divorce you if they find out you sleep with other women...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:34 AM
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I'd rather not tell. Western Europe. Liberal democracy. Dude, this is confirmed by every one of my friends that have a girlfriend: "If you want to get a girl you are going to have to put more effort than her because she isn't going to be interested in you if you don't. Unless she's ugly." I just saw you are gay. What the hell are you talking about then? Are you a gay man?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:34 AM
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I would assume when the woman is pregnant the guy takes up a larger portion of the work. And the woman has maternity leave. But maybe your country is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:31 AM
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99% of women don’t care about how much a guy earns, couldn’t care less whether the man earns more or less. BULL-FUCKING-SHI. I shouldn't even need to post a study, but here you have on in millions: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.61.4010&rep=rep1&type=pdf my mum went to work the morning of her c section and started back doing all the household chores 2 days later when she got out of hospital Where the hell do you live??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:28 AM
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I believe many of these people believe that looking for gold diggers in foreign countries is either pathetic and/or down right exploitative. My argument is that, for a substantial amount of men, it's either that or to look for gold diggers in their own country, who are much more demanding and also probably older and less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:18 AM
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Really? They claim that the order brides find them hot? Most of what I've read is just "If nobody finds me hot might as well pick the cheaper one that's also younger".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:16 AM
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So how do you spot these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:14 AM
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Men already compensate for it given that they make almost all of the effort in the courtship process. So many women like you seem to think they need to be compensated for the disadvantages of having a pussy while they don't seem to mind the advantages that a pussy yields. Furhermore, what you are proposing seems to be a traditional mindset "women have to deal with childbirth, therfore men need to contribute more in resources and protection". Fair enough. There are men with that mindset, but they…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:13 AM
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So are you arguing for women to be SAHM? I don't get it. If women want to have jobs the same as men and work the same hours and make sure there's equal pay between men and women but at the same time they want the man they get with to make more than then it's no wonder we're in this situation. Besides, I think it is expected that during pregnancy the man picks up a higher portion of the work, correct? So the pregnant woman can rest and take it easy?? Why does it need to be money? You sound like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:12 AM
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It's not work, what the fuck?? You have children because you want to... your body, your choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:09 AM
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What?? Nah, dude, they same the same about white women in eastern Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:59 PM
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I live in what's probably the feminist capital of the world. Not america. I didn't mention pricey dinners, all my dates have been at a bar o cafe. But still, I am expected to do most of the effort, do pretty much all of the approaches, plan the dates and in the date if have to put most of the effort to keep her interested. Or do you dissagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:56 PM
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The central premise of feminism is female empowerment. Some think this translates into equality. Others think this translates into female supremacism and misandry. That's it, the rest of your post is just rambling incoherent thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:42 PM
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A relationship based on love primary benefits women A relationship based on love benefits every part involved LMAO what are you even on about? The problem is, many men feel that their relationship / the kind of relationship they can get isn't trully based on love.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:40 PM
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Why do they marry this women? I don't understand. I've spent years without sex in the past and still I would never had started dating a girl that didn't suck dick... Or is it that the girls stop when they are already married?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:34 PM
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I think you are being a bit extreme. Women from other cultures are taught to value more other stuff in a marriage, and other cultures don't see age gaps as unfavorably as the west does. And again, do you understand how you can get a gold digging wife that won't love you but still won't divorce you because her family and peers would disown her? So loyalty =/= love.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:30 PM
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I'm not talking about being the best looking, I'm talking about being ugly lmao. Do you believe this man could find a woman attracted to him? http://www.funlol.com/13716/Ugly\_guys.html
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:24 PM
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I sure do. But thanks for the advice. Now that you mention it, the girl was super enthusiastic in everything including blowjobs, but always wanted me to clean myself with a wet wipe before... And I'm talking, from the very begginning, it's not that she had a bad experience with me...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:20 PM
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Why do these men marry them in the first place? Do these women give blowjobs only at the begginning? It's starting to scare me because last summer I became fwb with a crazily possesive chick who always gave everything she got on bed. I'm talking pornstar acting, gaging on it, whatever position I wanted, 3 orgasms/min (which I never bought anyway). This and her behaviour outside the bed scared me away and turns out I dodged a bullet, but it makes me wonder how I'm going to find a girl that gives …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:09 PM
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My example of the muslim women isn't about marrying westeners. I just looked for the most extreme example to explain how love =/= loyalty. I agree that that would be very rare. My point is, people from cultures that value loyalty and disaprove of divorce are less likely to divorce even if they are unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 11:00 PM
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Love them? Sure. Attracted to them? Doubt it. But it's probably me who's broken. I don't think ugly people are unlovable, I just think they cannot incite genuine lust. Which is, in my opinion, indispensable to want to date someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:58 PM
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I've never had a girlfriend but if I did I don't think I would want anything. I am a very austere guy and I would feel obligated to buy her something. Which is probably the reason I don't have a girlfriend lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:55 PM
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Right? When I hear married guys (on the internet, like popular cultural tropes since I am not old enough to know married men in person) talk about birthday blowjobs I always think "I don't know what's more sad, that they only get one blowjob a year or that their women care so little to mask that they do it as a favour that they give it on their fucking birthdays". And I don't understand it. Don't these men eat their wives pussy? I've always assumed oral sex is a given in any sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:53 PM
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Almost every guy is pretty ugly according to women. Even that thin, tall guy with a symmetrical face that sent a bunch of girls on bumble the same fucking playlist is "a 5 at best" according to girls here. Not only are they very severe when evaluating guys in general, when the guy is someone they don't like they'll tear him to pieces as if we didn't have eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:40 PM
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I don't want to be always the one who makes the first move. I don't want to be always the one who picks and plans the date. I don't want to pay for her drinks or dinner. I don't want to always have to be the one to ask to hang out again. I'd like to be complimented sometimes (I only get compliments by strangers and girls that are flirting. When we start fucking, the compliments end). I'd like dates to feel like two people meeting each other instead of a job interview. I have expressed this to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:36 PM
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Nah bro I don't buy that these women are seething at the thought of those men leaving. Many of them might be in a few years when there are not enough marriageable men but for now they just believe it's bottom barrel guys. For now it's just culture wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:25 PM
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Oh, I misread you. You mean that those guys get laid despite being ugly because they're not pussies. My apologies. But those guys are not ugly, stop the cap, lmao. You could have picked a better example, like the comedian that dated so many models lately.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:23 PM
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Half the times it wasn't a date. When it was a date, I just went to girls that gave me signals and were very eager to talk to me. Essentialy, making it easy (which in practice means dumpster diving). I just talk to them and after a while I tell them "Give me your number". They usually agree but ask me for what, to which I say "to share a few drinks other day" (I'm translating). I meet up with them in a bar near my flat, there I can have a few drinks and play darts and pool, giving me an excuse t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:18 PM
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Neither Tate nor Myron (had to look that one up) are ugly. They're mediocre looking. Both are in good shape and Tate appears to be very tall. Even if we say they are ugly, Tate is a kickboxing world champion and a very succesfull scammer. He's sociopathic, which is not soy at all. You can critique him, but the guy has balls. If you are autistic you will have problem seducing women with charm and social skills. Not goldiggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:04 PM
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Some women come from cultures that see divorce in a very negative light. These women would likely stay loyal because not doing so would mean scorn from their family and peers. For instance, do you believe muslim women are just as likely as secular american women to divorce their husbands? Be civil, nobody is being condescending to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:01 PM
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I believe it's a mixture of seeing what they do as exploitative and geniune concern for some of these guys because they think they can get women to love them for them in the west. That is, of course, the minority that actually have good intentions. 90% of this sub is incels and femcels shitting at each other because they feel slighted by the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:56 PM
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Yeah, that's fair. I'm tented to travel myself when I get the money seeing how many matches even mediocre looking white dudes get in those countries... It's the same with gay men... If I could take a pill that made me gay I would take it in an instant and I would be swimming in dick... But such pill doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:50 PM
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Ok, I get it, asian women are not your cup of tea lmao. I think they're pretty, personaly. Never dated one, though, I don't think I'd like them. There are not "plenty" of slim and young women in the west, half our population is overweight. But that's besides the point. Ugly guys are not going to get slim women (or any woman) to find them hot, so they might as well pay for the cheaper younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:48 PM
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I don't know if it's a harmful mindset or just realistic. ¡ I personally don't think I could love an ugly woman. I don't know how people do it, to me it seems they pretend to love each other because they don't want to be alone. Maybe they develop some sort of affinity with time? I just know I couldn't love romantically someone who wasn't beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:45 PM
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4s can get hot gold diggers if they are rich. American 4s are rich in the Philipines.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:43 PM
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It deffinetely doesn't. Still, I prefer my position to the position of half the men I know that only get sex after they have licked their girlfriends assholes enough. That's like half of the relationships I know, the girls treat them with such despair... Why so snarky though, lol? I'm not the black pill caricature you believe I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:38 PM
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Because the boxes he needed to check where not exciting to him. "He has a stable job, is nice and has a degree" are not what men want their partners to think about. Specially men that don't know what is like to have a woman ask you to fuck them in a club's bathroom (i.e., most men). They want to be desired for their bodies but that rarely happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:35 PM
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This happens so often that it's been a cultural trope for decades. They don't even need to be over 30. So many of my female friends have been shitting on short dudes or ugly dudes only to end up dating a guy just like that when they start to get desperate for a boyfriend because they've been two years single or whatever. And of course the moment they break up the guy becomes a ugly midget again...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:33 PM
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I don't think most guys care about virginity. Hell I prefer a non virgin. Excessive promiscuity, absolutely. But virginity? Hell nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:30 PM
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I don't buy it. I don't think they are that different, and I don't think that takes much consideration for these guys. It's just that these women are cheaper and younger/thinner. But I've never dated overseas, maybe I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:29 PM
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How is it cheaper than prostitution? I don't see it. I guess it depends on where you're at. But also, with hookers you get them to leave, and also you get much more variety, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:28 PM
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Most are probably atheist or agnostics or don't care about religion. People from traditional religious environments tend to get paired off with people in their community rather quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:25 PM
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Have to agree with kvakerok on this one... Love =/= faithfulness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:24 PM
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I'm not buying the other guy's bullshit... this guys are looking for cheaper pussym that's all. They are not traditional themselves. Having said that... isn't it understandable to not want to have to put massive effort?? This is probably the reason why I'm never able to fuck the same girl for more than a few times but... the moment they start to tell me that I need to put more effort my dick goes soft... why do I have to put more effort when she is never going to start picking me at my place or …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:23 PM
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They are younger and slimmer, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:19 PM
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His/her disappointment at the price they set for themselves is not proof that they are lower quality, but the fact that they are in average fatter and older than the women these men would be targeting overseas does.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:17 PM
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Most of these ugly men will be able to get with ugly women, correct. My point is, why get with an ugly woman when you can get with a hotter one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:11 PM
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Men don't care about resources, they evolved to care about looks and a feminine personality. Also, not many women that travel to poorer countries to find husbands, since women want men with high status, and they're not going to get that marrying a poor guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:08 PM
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Not all unsuccesfull men are soyboys. Some are just ugly. Others are autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:06 PM
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Agree, I don't think it's about traditional values at all. It's about easy pussy. But, they ARE more attractive. Their obesity rate is lower and these women are younger. Saying that SEA women above 6/7 are rare sounds pretty racist...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:05 PM
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I would imagine that they are much more expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:51 PM
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Exactly, for many of these men this will be the first time in their life that they get some action. If, when I get into my 30s, I start to get women of decent attractiveness putting equal effort into pursuing me... Let's just say I'm going to have a lot of fun before I decide to pick one to commit to... if I ever do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:50 PM
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This is something I don't understand... I have to make the first move, plan the date, and probably pay for the drinks, but somehow I can't expect her to be chaste? And then these women will tell me "OMG why do you expect a virgin, are you that iNSecUre??" NOOO, I DON'T WANT A VIRGIN!! I just want you to pay for your damn drinks and put equal effort. But I already know it'll never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:48 PM
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How does telling them that these women only want their wallet have a point? These men believe that the women in their country are the same, but older.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:44 PM
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There's a lot of missoginy in the RedPill. Like A LOT. Dudes that say there isn't are full of shit, considering 95% of all red pill content online consists on shitting on women because they're bitter they don't get laid. And 99% of the men that consume that content never actually apply any advice. That doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:35 PM
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I agree. But I'm talking about the bottom 20% here. Those are some ugly motherfuckers. Furthermore, if you are posing that not so good looking dudes can get laid consistently, why is it not possible that they can get laid with younger girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:24 PM
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It's not a matter of caring. It's a matter of what is more benefitial. Buy that logic guys that pay prostitutes should just admitit to everyone if they're happy. By the way, your quote is also embelishing the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:22 PM
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I'm not sure about that. But I am not a black piller so I definetely believe that game takes part in the equation. But ugly guys getting consistenly laid? As in, consistent casual sex with new women?? The few men that I've seen pull it off have been at least above average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:40 PM
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There's a lot of societal shame directed at men that date younger even if their in the same country. I'm just saying that covering it a little bit in the style of "We met when I was on a trip there and it was an instant connection" would be better than "I chose her because she is cheaper than women here".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:38 PM
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Agree, guys that claim that these women find them hot are full of shit. My point is, even if they're full of shit, it's the best deal they can get if they want to form a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:35 PM
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I'm not blaming anyone. There's no blame. It's just bussiness to this men. And, I think it's pretty clear for guys that get practically nothing in their youth and then once they start approaching 30 they start to see women (mostly ugly women) start to pay them attention. It's just a no brainer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:34 PM
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If you were a fat fuck in your 20s is possible to become good looking with age and have women actually desire you for your body. But I don't believe that's the case at all. I believe most men that start to see an increase in attention when they get older do so because they start to check boxes for the marriage material prototipe, but the women are relaxing their physical standards because they need to get serious about their real options if they don't want to end up alone. And that's exactly my …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:31 PM
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Not sure how many men believe this, but I agree it's not true at all. As a broke average height average penis guy who is still considered conventionally attractive. The thing is, if you actually try, like ACTUALLY try to improve, hit the gym, go out and approach women and try to improve your physique as much as you can and you still are unable to get casual sex... you are just not going to be trully loved by any woman. Might as well buy the best you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:28 PM
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Ok, I'm sorry, I get lost with the reddit format, I can't know who is arguing with who.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:22 PM
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I actually am quite sad with my inability to get a relationship. I just know I would be much more sad if I was like the friends I've had that try to get laid but only can after entering a relationship. At least I know I'm not ugly. My personality issues are much easier to change. It's not not having sex outside of a relationship, it's knowing that you CAN'T have sex outside of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:21 PM
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Then by that definition I am a HVM because I have had casual sex. But I don't agree with that definition at all. I'm not high value, which is the reason why no quality woman wants to date me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:18 PM
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I agree. My point is, the message should be "Why don't you just admit that women don't want to fuck you?" instead of "You are not going to get a better deal abroad, those young women just want your money".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:14 PM
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It's better, but not good. The ideal would be having women want to fuck you for your looks. But for many men is just a matter of how much you have to pay for each woman. In this case, the poorer younger one clears every day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:08 PM
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They should, I agree. Maybe not in the real world where reputation matters, but here they definetely should.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:05 PM
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I agree with you. This is partly the kind of answer that I see around here and it's totally justified. Guys that think that foreign women are going to be hot for them for being white when they get no pussy in the west are delusional. My point is that, at the end of the day, looking abroad is the better choice for them. They might try to cover the reason ("I'm not sexy, getting a poorer woman will be easier than a richer one, and neither is going to find me hot anyway") but their logic is sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 07:04 PM
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I am not a high value man at all. I'm not happy about my lack of relationship experience and I've only fucked 5s and 6s. I am not a good person, and I am not neurotipical. What I am is good looking. It is what it is, even if you don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:46 PM
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In other aspects, not physical attractiveness. If what you said was true, and they demanded EVEN MORE physical attractiveness then that would be yet another reason to look for younger women!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:44 PM
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is this a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:42 PM
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That's the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:40 PM
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Most of these guys are not traditional, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:39 PM
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I'm not buying that traditional values are the main reason. Most of these guys are not traditional themselves. Usually these people travel abroad to hook-up with a bunch of poor women. And I can't blame them since is a better deal than what ugly guys that stay in the west get.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:38 PM
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a man in this situation is either attractive and therefore they become MORE attractive or they are not attractive and therefore women in every place will want him for something different from his looks. In both cases it is advantageus to go to the place where your market value is higher and where the product (in this case, the local women) are of higher quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:37 PM
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I've never had a job at my mid 20s and I've been able to hook up. Women only require men to earn equal or more for relationships, not sex in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:34 PM
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I imagine it must suck...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:32 PM
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Jobs are exchanges of money for labour. Totally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 06:32 PM
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Are you seriously arguing that women don't lower their physical standards as they age and start to want a stable relationship more? I've seen it time and time again. Everybody wants hot partners, but most people can't, so they settle. Both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 02:54 PM
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I don't like donuts. I've never had a relationship, the few ocassions I have had sexual partners have always been casual. I'm not talking about me. If I were one of these dudes I definetely would prefer to date a younger hotter poorer more impresionable woman that just wants me for my money than an older, ugiler richer woman that is going to want me for my stable job but has higher standards and therefore is going to be less satisfied. Those two hypothetical women are the same. They don't want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 02:53 PM
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Completely agree. Dudes that think they are going to get girls hot when they're 35 when they get no pussy when they are 22 are delussional. But I think not many people here or elswere want to admit that a significant percentage of the male population is never going to get girls hot and they're only going to be wanted for what other stuff they can provide... in which case choosing younger poorer girls makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 02:40 PM
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If women don't find 80-90% of men unattractive when you only account for looks, how is it that they reject such quantities in OLD before they even get a chance to talk? And how is it that a large portion of the likes are concentrated in a very small portion of the men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 01:58 PM
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Most people have enough self awareness to know more or less how attractive they are withing their gender. I'm not talking about you, but about the general trends. An average woman is, by definition, a 5, and the average woman in these apps swipe right on less than 10% of men. This, coupled with the fact that almost half of the likes is accumulated by the top10% of the men with more likes, makes it evident that a lot of these women are rejecting any guy in their league. It's just logic and math. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:29 AM
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I already said, my experience could be different with how it works in the US or whatever the country from the study it. I find it very hard to believe that a substantial amount of people really meet online, as in, the other person isn't a friend or a colleague or a friend of a friend, or somebody you meet through an activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:25 AM
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That's my thinking too. I get laid and still would try to flee the country as soon it looked like war could break, I can only imagine how I would react if I was a virgin and I was forced to go fight a war so that the bitches that don't fuck me could escape... I'd probably join the other side, whoever that would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 07:39 PM
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I guess I agree. I am still surprised by the lack of a backbone from most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 07:34 PM
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I apologize, I missread your comment. I read the "90% off the bat" and thought that the 30-40% you were refering to were among that 10% that wasn't excluded off the bat. Women having higher physical standards for casual sex is pretty stablished though, even on this sub, to be honest. It makes sense, women are much less interested and are much less benefited from casual sex than men, and hookups have less dimmenssions than relationships so looks take a bigger portion of the consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 07:32 PM
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The pornsick problem is only a problem because it impacts the sex they have with real women. In a hypotetical future in which AI and other tech advance to the point where you can create curated porn completely identical to the real experience, we will probably have artifficial wombs and super advanced sex robots, which would make sex with real women pointless. In the mean time, it's already a lost battle. Right now there are millions of teenagers and young men breaking their balls because they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:55 PM
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But anyway, my point isn't that. My point is, if I was unfuckable, I'd probably want the most possible people to suffer before I kill myself. That's not my possition because I'm not unfuckable. But that's how I would react. Personally I like most things about my country overall, I'm just worried about the maintenance seeing so many sexually frustrated guys around me. Honestly, I think AI and pornography is the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:37 PM
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I'm not american. I like that most people around me are dumb. And I don't believe public education has been effective at making people less dumb in the decades that it has been working on my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:34 PM
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I don't know, man, lots of men become dangerous if they aren't satisfied with their lifes. Look at 20th century history. Skewed distribution of access to sex leads to unstable societies. I'm not trying to condone it or say they're justified. Just what I would expect. If anything, it's mind blowing to me how there are so few school shootings in america seeing how easy is to get a weapon. All I'm saying is, if I was born 5'4 I'd probably be happy to see muslim populaton replace western population.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:32 PM
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Hot women get less pervy messages than not hot women, that's for sure. The effort men are willing to put into them is higher, because they are more attractive. They will be more likely to take it more serious to avoid fucking up. It's the same with men. Uglier men experience the friendzone more and even in relationships they have to put more effort and get less sex and later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:27 PM
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Exactly, I've never understood the argument. If a woman swipes through 100 male profiles and only likes 4, I'm going to think that she's insane unless she's very hot. But turns out that's just the average girl on these apps. How many other women are is irrelevant. If these people mean that with time women talk among themselves and realise that more men means more men with their desired characteristics for each woman, that's fine, but don't complain about the consequences of polygamy when you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:25 PM
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I don't disagree, but obviously the goverment should allow private companies to make their own roads. If so, I'd definetely choose to stop paing for the roads through taxes and start paying for them directly. Also, I meant lower taxes, not no taxes. As in, no public healthcare or education. Essentially not paying for shit that I don't benefit from (in the case of this discussion basically means not paying for the well being of other people's kids).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:19 PM
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I get laid (sometimes). I am a libertarian for other reasons. But this is the thought process I think I would have if I was in the bottom 50% of men. Also, why does wanting to remove taxes mean I don't care about my future?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:16 PM
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I'm not saying it's illegal, I'm saying it's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:14 PM
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I believe women find most men physically unattractive. But not because of the study. It's just because of what the woman in my life tell me. Most of them end up with men that don't belong to the small of "attractive men". I don't doubt they are attracted to them, but it surely is not because of their looks. Because a lot of them usually tear their looks apart when they break up. Hell, I even have a friend that used to mock a guys looks and now she is dating him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:14 PM
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Switzerland has way lower taxes than Denmark, for instance. Two very different states, but they both exist. And even if I agreed that taxes are required to have a functioning society (I don't), if I were in their situation I would not care about the maintenance of society at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:10 PM
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No, but they are treated badly more often than attractive women. Happens the same to men. I'm just saying, 5% swipe + top10% of men getting as many likes as the bottom half means that many women are only liking men completely out of their league. the only men that would swipe right on a woman bellow their league are guys looking for easy sex. ​ They have a right to to that if what they are looking for is validation or even to have casual sex, but you don't get to complain about the behaviour of …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:07 PM
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I don't want to marry and I have no problem finding women that find me physically attractive. My problem is my personality. I'm not saying removing child support would solve anything. I'm just saying if I realised in my early 20s that I'm unfuckable and women will only want me when I have a stable job that would make me want to remove any responsibility I might have with society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:02 PM
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They are increaselly doing that, that's why the number of unpartnered men in their 20s keeps increasing. But I think it's completely normal for all these young men to vote for political parties that enphasize the need to remove the ties between state and individual (I'm talking about taxes, mainly). And I also think is expected for an increasing number of men to either look for a partner in more empoverished environmets when they "make it", and/or rejecting the possibility to pair off with older…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:25 PM
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I don't agree that everyone was looking to cuff, but even if I did, I don't see your point. Are you saying those men were particulary well behaved because the situation incentivized them to look more for commited sexual partners instead of casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:20 PM
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Then how is it that women on average swipe right only on single% of men? And how is it that a huge amount of likes is hoarded by a small % of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:18 PM
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Neither men nor women have inherent value. Their value is only decided by the opposite sex. In an environment where women significantly outnumber men men see an increase in value. We're not disagreeing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:16 PM
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I'm not assuming any of those things. I'm just saying that the complain described in my post is common and it isn't a complain to be taken seriously given that it's female choice what makes it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:15 PM
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I'm not claiming that at all. On the contrary, I agree with you. I never said attractive men are more likely to push for sex early, I'm just saying that the only attractive men that unattractive women are going to get are those that look for easy sex. And those are the only men these women will get if they reject the bottom 90% in these apps. Which it seems they do according to every piece of data presented in this sub over the last years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:12 PM
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If women don't find 80-90% of men unattractive, why do they reject them before they get a chance to talk? Also, this checks out with my own experience, and with what women say in these spaces. That they only find a very small percentage of men physically attractive. I've also played a game with several female friends of rating guys and girls that we know, and they all rate most guys bellow a 5, except for the same few guys that get a 7-8. Of course, most end up dating guys that just look like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 02:18 PM
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Tinder in a western europe country, during the begginning of the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 02:13 PM
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You don't need to swipe right on everyone, you need to swipe right realistically. And, yes, things would be better if men only showed attention to the women they want to be serious with. But such is biology. Both genders actions lead to these situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 02:11 PM
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If you're a 5, swipe right only on men that look around a 5. You can only swipe right on men that are an 8 and above, but then don't complain that these men push for sex early. That's the point of my post. Don't know if it applies to you or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 02:09 PM
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Are you dissagreeing with me? Are you a man or a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 02:07 PM
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That's literally what valuable means in the ecomomic sense. As a general rule, rarer = more valuable. Not that girls wouldn't still have the upper hand even with 1 M : 10 W ratios. That's just biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:41 PM
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My intention with the experiment was to steal "game" from other men online. It was a waste of time, but most of them were polite and not weird. And yes, I conversed with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:39 PM
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Thank you. Can you answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:38 PM
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There has been dozens of post here already showing stats. They may differ a little bit, but they all show that women swipe left on the vast majority of men. And they swipe right on mostly the same men, given the high concentration of likes by the top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:37 PM
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I don't understand your first parragraph, can you clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:36 PM
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I'm not trying to say you are a liar, but I think this is probably not the case. It's unlikely that both partners in a relationship started believing the other was out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:34 PM
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If you look for something casual then there's nothing weird about what you say. Women require an exceptional level of physical attractiveness for casual sex. They actually massively increase their standards on that aspect. My post doesn't apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:33 PM
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Are you sure you know what sub you're in? This sub definetely allows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:32 PM
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I've never been a fan of the 80/20 study, to begin with. I'll probably make a post explaining why I think it's deffective.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:31 PM
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In real life? It's false. Women are picker than men, but not nearly to the point that incels claim. On dating apps? Absolutely true? For casual sex? Categorically true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:30 PM
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"I think most men are ugly but I will give them a chance because I still want a boyfriend and the few guys I find hot will never take me seriously" is not a good look. I don't wonder so many men doubt that their women are attraccted to them. To be honest, I don't think they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:29 PM
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You seem to think that my post is of the incel type "women=bad". Nothing further from the truth. I don't believe men are more virtuous than women, and I can totally believe the 40% taken stat. My point is that this complain described in my post, that I see a lot around these spaces, is not to be taken seriously since it's women's own doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:27 PM
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This is all true but doens't change the fact that women swipe left on the vast majority of men before they even get a chance to talk. Single digit % is insane unless there's a lot of variation among each woman (I have a very particular type but evey girl is different). The data presented here over the last few years clearly shows that it's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:25 PM
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I just said, the only men willing to match with less attractive women are those looking for easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:23 PM
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Good looking men drown in pussy with not so good looking women. Even as a good looking guy you have to put a dispropotionate amount of effort (compared to the effort the girl puts) to get a relationship with a woman similar to your own attractiveness. I'm talking about young men, don't know how things change at other ages. Anecdotically, I'm a good looking man (I know nobody will believe me) with a pretty terrible personality. I get signals from lots of women, even good looking ones, but I've ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:23 PM
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Neither gender cares about ruining it for the other guys/girls. Men like to have sex and lower their standards if the sex is easy enough. Nothing wrong with that. Most women know this, but somehow they still complain in these spaces about their experience in these apps as if they didn't know what they are doing. Seems to me that they just cannot admit they have it better than men in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:17 PM
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Completely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:14 PM
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I don't understand how that makes sense. Women are not going to be more likely to pair off with attractive men just because there are more of them in an artifficial environment. You are just making my point. Girls see that there are many attractive men in these apps and this makes them more likely to match with them. Ok, fair enough. But a mediocre woman isn't going to pair off with an attractive man just because of skewed ratios. The only attractive men that will match with her are those lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:13 PM
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Your table shows a more skewed distribution for men, but somehow it's women who swipe more realistically. I never understood the "skewed ratios" argument. If a woman is presented with a hundred profiles and decides that only 5 of them deserve a chance to talk to her I'm going to think she's delusional unless she is very attractive. It doesn't matter if those 100 men come from a pool of 1000 or 10000.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:07 PM
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This is my point. I'm far from an incel that believes the market is fucked simply because the chads are hoarding the women. I totally understand why OLD isn't representative of real life. I'm just saying that you can't deliberately enter a meat market specifically designed to cater to yo, reject a massive amount of suitors before even speaking to them and then complaining that the top men on the hierarchy are not interested in taking things slow. Many girls on these apps are not matching with an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 01:05 PM
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If that's true, it is very different from my experience seing my female friends using these apps. None of them had any intention to actually meet up, they just used it as entertainment. I've read on Reddit that 90% of female user on Tinder never actually meet anyone from there, but things may have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 12:59 PM
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Exactly. Online dating isn't a common way for the opposite genders because it obviously doesn't have much appeal to women. Swiping through a catalogue isn't how women experience attraction usually. Using Instagram as part of your social tools is definetely usual, but these people "crushes" are still people in their vecinities so I don't think that counts as "meeting online".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 12:57 PM
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It doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:46 PM
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Women barely message to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:45 PM
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So your agrument is that women don't really need to put effort in bio and presentation because of simple economics of supply and demmand making them a valuable comodity? If so, I agree. I'm just saying they don't get to also complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:44 PM
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I've seen it happen in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:43 PM
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Man, 18-70 is too broad. Those are so different ages and therefore cultures. People that are 70 today were born in 1953. In 1953 most people had a couple dozen people to pick from to marry and they went to drive-in movies. Now people can meet people from other continents and video call each other while binge watching stuff on Netflx.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:42 PM
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In the article it says it's 10% of couples, and 20% of under 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:38 PM
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I'm not disagreeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:37 PM
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I made a very mid tinder profile and didn't recieve a single dick pic in 2 weeks. I'm sure they do happen and I'm sure most girls have had it happen to them at least once in these apps... but it's not as bad as they paint it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:35 PM
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You and the other woman may very well be very attractive and/or mentally and emotionally healthy women, with realistic standards. My comment is about average trends. Do you believe what I presented isn't a fairly common complain from women when discussing OLD?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:28 PM
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I'm confused... Do you disagree with me then? Do you believe this isn't a common complain from women? Or do you believe my logic isn't right? Furthermore, what do you mean with "I don't have to deal with daygamers"? Do you believe that the surge of OLD and just changes in culture have diminished the amount of these cold approachers?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:27 PM
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I didn't see him/her cite the okcupid study at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:25 PM
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Women barely message at all to begin with. You are citing study from a site 14 years ago. Very different format. Very different population and average age than today. Very different world if we're honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:24 PM
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It would be great that men went to the gym, but would the women start to go too? In a hypothetical scenario where female selection forces a large amount of the male to hyperfocus in health and looks, I can't imagine those actualized men would want to pair with fatties (which about half of people are in western countries).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:23 PM
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I've created a very mid female profile in the past and my experience wasn't worst in those aspects than my own experience as a guy. Both genders can be lazy. No bio? Don't make me laugh. "I am not here often, talk to me on Insta" is like 10% of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:21 PM
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This is my point, but probably happens more with 6s and 8s. More attractive girls have less of a need for this apps. I've seen it in real life as well. Hell, it's happened to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:19 PM
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You are totally right. Most guys want easy casual sex even if just for a time. I'd even venture to say that attractive guys may desire easy sex slightly less, since they probably have less of FOMO having already had success in that realm in the past on average. In summary, I agree that it's a myth that only Chads want casual. But, I've made a very mid female profile in the past and those guys are few. Both genders have a certain percentage that suck at these apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:17 PM
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This is the complain that I often see online as a counter to the complains of guys (as if there MUST be a counter). And, matematically, it's not a complaint to take serious
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:13 PM
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Most women never even meet someone from dating apps. It's just a validation app for most.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:12 PM
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So you agree with me? I agree that many of those women are perfectly aware. But they still like to complain as if that wasn't the natural consequence of entering a meat market and discarding the bast majority of suitors based on appearance alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:12 PM
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LMAO, I didn't know that. That's a valid complain. Do you have a link? However, that's a different complaint. Complaining about guys pushing early and hard for sex is ridiculous if you willingly enter a meat market and discard 95% of the suitors on appearance alone... and then it turns that most other women in those apps are doing the same
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:10 PM
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OLD is useless even for attractive men, in my opinion. And of course not only a waste of time but also a confidence killer for even decently attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:08 PM
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The "attractive men that don't do this shit" just don't do this shit. Their not part of the equation at all. They don't pay attention to most of the women that swipe right on them. The only men left with a relative decent match ratio are men willing to lower their standarts to get easy sex. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not suggesting that uglier men are less shady and dishonest than attractive men. I'm not saying that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:06 PM
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The single digit % of swiping right and the big concentration of total likes in the top have to mean that a large portion of these women are selecting for men specifically out of their league. Not all, not all, but the general trend. It's just math.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:03 PM
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Are they the majority? At what ages?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:02 PM
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How many people meet real strangers using social media? Not that many.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:01 PM
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I don't agree, at all. Most relationships, at least in my country (western Europe) are not started with social media. Most meet organically through friends or events, workplace, etc. Using social media as part of the process, sure, but literally meeting an otherwise complete stranger online, and meeting in person, dating and entering a relationship? Not common at all. If we talk abaut dating apps, most women that ever use it never enter a relationship because of them, and most of them never even…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 10:00 PM
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Am I missing something? Your table, to my understanding, shows that men have a more skewed distribution... I've read your link, it doesn't say anything about adjusting the data for gender ratios. I guess I'm saying I don't understand how this data that you present disproves or just relates to the data I point at... The usually single digit % that women pick on dating apps... there's dozens of discussions about that data in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 09:55 PM
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