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| 5 | ppd pics threadhttps://imgur.com/a/fq2SGWu | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/20 01:53 AM |
| 28 | Why isn't there a REAL equivalent for female dating statergy for men?Yeah, one of the perks of being a woman is that, by nature, there's a significant amount of value you have that can't be taken away -- due to a woman's ability to bear children, which is a highly limited resource (compared to what it takes on a man's side) and the extremely high inate biological drive of men for sex (even if a woman is no longer fertile). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/20 07:49 PM |
| 19 | Why isn't there a REAL equivalent for female dating statergy for men?If a woman can get far more for sex than a relationship, and a woman is only interested in her best/top-tier options, those options will tend to be just for sex. And... if women are only going for their best/top-tier options, that implies by definition that men tend to only have opportunities with their worst options, and thus will be tend to be interested in just sex with the women that are interested in them. So the options men tend to have is sex with worst options or no sex at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/20 07:26 PM |
| 121 | Why isn't there a REAL equivalent for female dating statergy for men?Fundamentally, FDS is about women reconciling what they can get for the lowest levels of commitment (just sex) vs. what they can actually attract at higher levels of commitment (like marriage). If women didn't overwhelmingly lead with sex before any form of commitment, and saved themselves for higher levels of commitment, there would be more of a place for men to be looking for more than just sex -- since it would be bundled with a reasonable level of commitment between two people, and not just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/20 05:49 PM |
| 6 | Should men start to put as much effort into appearance as women?Right, as said before: Overwhelmingly, men will never be selected for anything that can be readily changed. To the extent that something can be readily changed, there's no advantage selecting for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/20 03:20 PM |
| 9 | "The decline" is largely a myth - female promiscuity isn't new.4 other primary drivers, in addition to that: Basic protection/security - Used to be provided by men in the context of tribes. That's now outsourced to the state. Provisioning - Used to be provided by men in the context of families. Now, women are income earners, and there is far less incentive to be with a man because of provisioning abilities/potential and much greater incentive to get with a man who's genetically attractive. The older a woman gets, she has even less of an incentive to priorit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/09/20 10:06 PM |
| 0 | Women vs. Men who sleep aroundArguments by analogy are worthless, except for helping to understand. If an analogy isn't accurate, especially if in important ways, it's worse than worthless, since it's misleading. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/20 12:26 AM |
| 5 | Women vs. Men who sleep aroundWomen's actual behavior reflect a strong preference for highly attractive men, despite them likely having had more/many partners, and despite the downsides. If women could take a pill that would give them 5 more years of extended fertility, women would be chasing the more highly attractive, but less likely to commit men, that much longer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/20 10:43 PM |
| 8 | Women vs. Men who sleep aroundIn my original comment, I didn't excuse cheating. That is a negative aspect to promiscuous men and women. Promiscuous men are still highly desired by women, due to other factors. However, promiscuous women are poor choices across the board for higher commited relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/20 10:40 PM |
| -1 | Women vs. Men who sleep aroundAn analogy isn't an argument. An even bigger problem is that analogy doesn't even reflect reality. Maybe 50 or more years ago, when female promiscuity was shamed -- as it should be, but only for women who desire/expect higher commitment from men (the ones who don't do whatever you want) -- in terms of the analogy, it would probably be more accurate to say that a woman that slept around was "opened by many keys". Women's options for men were just what were available to them pretty locally. So yea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/20 10:36 PM |
| -1 | "Men love better then Woman"You should consider whether it's just a coincidence that all of the following can be explained by a single reason: That women can go a decade (a decade!) of their life consistently propositioned by and with consistent interest from men, yet many who want to get married are increasingly unable to do so (that should be about as big of a red flag as you can get). Women openly complain of having to "settle" for what they can get at the highest level of commitment. Women are increasingly getting marr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/20 08:54 AM |
| 3 | "Men love better then Woman"Sound, well-thought-out argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/20 08:38 AM |
| 1 | "Men love better then Woman"Have you considered that women are the least loyal at the highest level of commitment (marriage)? Women overwhelmingly the ones initiating divorce should be the primary anchor to that question. Not saying the factors you mentioned shouldn't be considered. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/20 08:26 AM |
| 1 | "Men love better then Woman"Most men would be much more motivated to have sex with their wives, compared to what they could get for casual sex (assuming their wife is happy to have sex with them). Whereas most women could get much more attractive men outside the marriage or after divorce under circumstances of less commitment. they seek someone different from their wives. they're polygynous You are right, but miss a key element. Men have 2 possible sexual stratagies. Highly attractive men can easily get with other women ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/20 06:40 AM |
| 1 | "Men love better then Woman"Most married men would be able to find an affair partner if they really wanted to, I would agree, but it's harder for men, and men's options for lower commitment get much worse. Casual sex is in fact out of the question for many men, since for casual sex avarage women can get quite attractive men. So then average men, if they want casual sex, they'll have fairly undesirable options if they take that route. However, my point is about the level of commitment in relationships. At the highest level … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/20 06:11 AM |
| 1 | "Men love better then Woman"The most attractive men, sure, will have plenty of decent options for low commitment levels, but most married men won't. I would generally agree that men become more attractive to women, if they are married. However, the options married men have at lower levels of commitment, like casual sex, still go way down, whereas women's (including married) go way up, the less commitment there is involved in a romantic relationship -- after divorce or if a woman cheats. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/20 05:36 AM |
| 1 | "Men love better then Woman"Men's options get much less (in terms of quality/quantity) as the level of commitment decreases, the opposite is true for women. That's due to the most basic of human biology. Sperm is cheap. Eggs are expensive. Today more than ever, here's what we see very broadly in relationships: That women can go a decade (a decade!) of their life consistently propositioned by and with consistent interest from men, yet many who want to get married are increasingly unable to do so (that should be about as big… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/20 05:20 AM |
| -2 | "Men love better then Woman"Don't overcomplicate it. Many women will read "men love better than women" and scoff in disagreement. Likewise, many men would be nodding their head in full agreement. Well, isn't that interesting? The difference comes down to pre-marriage vs. marriage -- or more generally, the level of commitment of a romantic relationship. Women can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men it's the exact opposite. Women that are younger and not married, as sa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/20 04:45 AM |
| -1 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?It only matters insofar as women desire relationships at higher levels of commitment from men. Most women say they do, but their actions compromise that from happening. Here's a pretty fundamental principle that applies broadly: For any given woman, the greater degree she has engaged in sex with the best she can attract at lower levels of commitment, the greater degree she'll be dissatisfied with what she can actually attract at progressively higher levels of commitment. Likewise, for that same … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 06:19 PM |
| 3 | Why don't the simps and pickmeishas just date each other?Absolutely delusional if you think that. Although - it does nicely shift responsiblity for any decisions and outcomes from women themselves onto some external circumstance that's entirely uncontrollable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 09:56 AM |
| 7 | Why don't the simps and pickmeishas just date each other?Fucking love the narrative of some external force acting upon a non-participating object (women), who are victims of men who "treat them like trash" and who they can't get into stable/loving relationships with. Re-read my comment, more carefully. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 05:09 AM |
| 36 | Why don't the simps and pickmeishas just date each other?It has nothing to do with "daddy issues", any weird psychological faults, etc. Remember this: Women, as a gender, can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men, it's the exact opposite. Society used to shame women for getting with men at low levels of commitment, because it would compromise what would happen (or fail to even happen) at higher levels of commitment. We royally fucked up. At least from the standpoint that being able to love the bes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 02:22 AM |
| 27 | The Red Pill teaches dudes how to not get played by the games women play - And Women hate seeing their own game being played against themMen: I'd happily settle for my RMV match. Women's idea of settling for what they can get for higher levels of commitment, especially marriage, is one of the most bizarre thought patterns that exist. Settle? Compared to what? Because you could get for sex men that were more desirable? Because you had short term relationships with men more desirable? If guy X is who you choose to marry, was he not your best choice of the men that would be willing to commit to marriage to you? This is what's so del… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/20 06:51 AM |
| 3 | Database of 2 million United States paternity lawsuitsI *think* it's what happens when a lawsuit is needed because the paternity of a child is in dispute. So... it's not a good sign if a woman is involved in that situation... | /r/MGTOW | 12/08/20 03:26 AM |
| 3 | Database of 2 million United States paternity lawsuitsI typed paternity 2020 and got about 40k results. It goes back in years. | /r/MGTOW | 12/08/20 02:44 AM |
| 4 | Its not that Men here don't have actual experience, its that the men who've seen the worst of women are drawn here the mostPeople who got lucky dating don't know what TRP/FDS TRP/FDS are really just effects of the same cause, which is women's approach to dating today: What's the best I can get at the lowest levels of commitment possible (sex only) in the *hopes* that it will lead to a commited relationship. FDS is about solving modern women's problems: Getting commitment, getting "strung along", "being used", turning your FWB into a relationship, how to get over someone you never actually dated, etc. TRP is more or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/20 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Divorce initiation and rates are not valid evidence for gendered emotional attachment differences nor a gendered difference in the effects of pre marital n countThanks :) The stuff posted by Mimoxs is bottom of the barrel. Saw her trolling about the average guy having super high standards. Seems there's no limit. Funny, on a related note, I'm actually working on https://www.judyrecords.com at the moment and... it's actually the largest free US divorce database on the Internet :) Might check out the discussion later! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/20 06:56 PM |
| 32 | The reason you weren't/aren't a player is because you're a low SOI, neurotic nebbish dweeb. Not feminism, society or your mother.It's not complicated. The reason it's harder for men today is simply due to women pursuing the best they can attract at the lowest level of commitment possible -- sex only -- in the *hopes* of a relationshp. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i46egl/the_problem_is_not_and_was_never_your_niceness_it/g0g5se9/?context=3 And that's the same reason that women are basically selecting themselves out of the market for higher levels of commitment, and have created a supply of women less l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/20 05:48 PM |
| 4 | "Depressive symptoms were associated with engaging in casual sex differently for males and females. Males who engaging in casual sex reported the fewest symptoms of depression and females who had a history of casual sex reported the most depressive symptoms."Don't quite agree. Women are depressed from casual sex because it usually leads to non-commited relationships, where they hoped for more. They have an attractive guy for sex, and they want to secure higher commitment/more investment/resources/provisioning with the same dude. Women can always get more for sex at lower levels of commitment, so they want to convert up into higher commitment. To get the best they can at the highest level of commitment (marriage), they have to reconcile what they wan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/20 12:43 PM |
| 4 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (02 August 2020)Yeah, agree. The higher level of commitment in a relationship, the more women will tend to be pulled away from those relationships. Today, women start with the best they can get for lower levels of commitment, and are often in "commitment challenged" casual sex non relationships more and more. So you have unstable relationships pre-marriage. When women are able to get with men for high levels of commitment, especially marriage, they often view it as "settling" for these men, and have compormised… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/20 12:21 PM |
| 1 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellThank you :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 07:14 PM |
| 2 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellNobody is going to say "just let them starve, this is a punishment for being a slut." That's morally repulsive and bigoted. If the consequence was dire, women would place the utmost importance on selecting men to have a child with, and society would shame those men to an extremely high degree. In the cases where it did happen, it would be rare. In those rare cases, women would have to rely on friends and family for support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 06:23 PM |
| 2 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellThe father forced to support the child, good. Everyone else paying you (indirectly through tax breaks, welfare), bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 06:15 PM |
| 4 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellRemoving incentives is not punishing, even though it may seem like it, very superficially. And remember, when other people are being forced to pay, in part or in whole, for children aren't theirs, it's actually accurate to say that they are the ones punished, if anyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 04:19 PM |
| 2 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellNot only that, but others being responsible for you is a really good thing if you're a single mother. That would be a great deal for you. See how that's destructive? Who else is that a good deal for? Does it even make sense to make others responsible for you like that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 04:04 PM |
| 7 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellYou can't punish the woman without hurting the future of the child. The alternative is to incentivize widespread destructive behavior with worse consequences. The maximum application of women's reproductive strategy is inherently exploitive -- child with one man, others paying partially or fully (unknowingly or by force). By incentivizing that, it's throwing gas on fire. By altering incentives initially, you will have far less adverse effects in the end. (The maximum application of men's reprodu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 03:52 PM |
| 1 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellAssuming details about my life, further extrapolating logic, makes sense. By the way, I'm not against sluts. I am against sluts portraying themselves as good choices for more commited relationships, especially marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 03:45 PM |
| 1 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellYou can have an "isolated" nuclear family, in the sense that's it's a separate and distinct family unit, and still have extended family involvement all you want. The group cuck is in reference to your latter comments, referencing a household with only one parent. If the other original isn't there, why not just have others foot the responsibility. A "what's so bad about that", "it seems like a better outcome" kind of attitude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 03:11 PM |
| 7 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellSo don't incentivize the behavior. If those countries with poor social support systems gave less support, women would be faced to act even more carefully. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 03:00 PM |
| 13 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellHaving nuclear families with a mother and father does not prevent having more involvement with the extended family. as for out of wedlock children, i don't think that's the worst that could happen to a kid I can increasingly understanding this from a woman's point of view. You get to have a kid with someone who you wouldn't otherwise be able to get for a higher level of commitment and investment, and then others pay. Cucking the group instead of a particular guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 02:46 PM |
| 27 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellThat's why we need to incentivize people being responsible for their own actions (and children). Not others being responsible. When you have to live with the consequences of your decisions, you are forced to be more careful about those decisions. Then you can't just blame non-commital men as if you are a passive participant in an unfortunate outcome, because you have to strongly factor in how likely they are to stick around if you (not others) have to bear the burden of the consequences (for exa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 02:07 PM |
| 11 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellI get where you're coming from, and see inherent advantages of being more involved with extented family, etc. There's nothing wrong with that. Extended family helping under their own accord and agreement, sure, no problem. That you expect the village to do their part is what's wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 12:49 PM |
| 24 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellThere's no problem with people family (or friends for that matter) volunteering their resources for others. That's different from what you say in your post: "everyone is expected to do their part" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 12:39 PM |
| 36 | The decline of the traditional nuclear family in the Western world isn’t necessarily the worse thing as there are alternative family arrangements that could work as wellIn essence we have more of a it takes a village mentality in regards to raising children where everyone is expected to do their part. To the extent the biological mother and father are not responsible for their children, others are. There's no way around that. No other 2 people on the face of the earth have a greater incentive and interest in the outcome and success of the child's life than their own mother and father, and additionally, there's almost no greater incentive to contribute to societ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/20 12:25 PM |
| 5 | Q4W: What percentage of women do you estimate marry men that they aren't sexually attracted to?Interesting. It seems in many ways the "classical slut/whore" actually seems less damaging than women today who go through the serial monogomy carousel -- where with each partner, they are fantasizing about a future with, kids with, what life would be like together, and at least a solid month or 2 of hot sex to sear in those fantasies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/20 10:42 AM |
| 3 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimWhy thank you :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 10:46 PM |
| 13 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimI pretty much agree, except that first sentence. I'm for freedom in sexuality. See my comments here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/i3goqm/how_many_of_you_would_ban_casual_sex_if_you_could/g0bcuin/?context=3 What I don't agree with is women leading with sex with the most desirable men they can attract at the lowest levels of commitment, and then as they seek higher levels of commitment they unenthusiastically and begrudgingly "settle", in their minds, as the shot clock on the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 05:46 PM |
| 2 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victim:) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 05:38 PM |
| 17 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimWomen were the one who fucked this up. Women decide when sex happens, I would agree generally. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/hquscf/the_prisoners_dilemma_and_the_present_dating/fy0piiv/?context=3 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 05:09 PM |
| 2 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimThe point you should take away is that niceness is largely not the determining factor. The post suggests that you can be nice; I'm saying that niceness changes isn't going to buy you a whole lot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 04:19 PM |
| 3 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimWomen today probably had no foresight about whether that would affect their ability to love/bond with who they could get for higher levels of commitment, and probably had no foresight either about men accounting for the prevalence of women taking that approach and rejecting higher levels of commitment with women on that basis in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 03:47 PM |
| 11 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimIt should tell you that being nice/not isn't what's most relevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 03:27 PM |
| 7 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimMen can work with more than just looks, but it's more difficult today as women are income earners themselves, and the value add isn't what it used to be for men. But I agree, the idea of a "nice guy" being boring is probably more of an underlying proxy actually of just being with a really cute guy/dude that's got a high value relative to the gal, that she *might* be able to get for a relationship. That alone is excitement itself, and has nothing to do with being boring/exciting as a person. In f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 03:18 PM |
| 14 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimSo if hot, fun, confident assholes likewise don't have a problem with women, what does that tell you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 03:12 PM |
| 13 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimWellll, you won't find many short/bald guys that can be assholes to women and they'll still line up -- unless they're filthy rich maybe :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 03:09 PM |
| 2 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimI don't think I suggested anything regarding that. There are plenty of those men complaining about that, not uncommon I'd say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 03:05 PM |
| 13 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimYeah, they are more or less reluctant backups, if it comes to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 03:01 PM |
| 39 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimbeing asshole because being an asshole should be a deal breaker Yeah, that's a good observation. The fact that women still want the men who treat them worse, should be a hint that it's not about nice/asshole ness either. Good looking, confident, guys who are nice will do fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 02:59 PM |
| 14 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimIt's necessarry to ask but not sufficient. You either get friendzoned or rejected. If a woman has better options than you, that will be the deciding factor in whether she pursues that possibility. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 02:56 PM |
| 15 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimCorrect, it's not really about nice or not, it's more or less just a retroactive label women use to describe a guy they are not interested in. Women essentially use the same language both pre-marriage and in divorcing. Pre marraige - He's a nice guy, but I'm just not into him. I didn't feel any chemistry. Divorce - He's a good guy and great dad. I love him, but I'm not in love with him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 02:54 PM |
| 11 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimhot, fun and confident Yes, it's a good combination for being able to be an asshole and still have women want you :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 02:52 PM |
| 18 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimThey are in fact competing for casual sex, actually, yes. Because that's how most women lead in the effort to pursue relationships. Casual sex first, before commitment. I'd argue that the increasing rage, as you say, is more or less due to increased frustration of men in general as the friendzone has increasingly widened as women have, not to put it lightly, become whores -- engaging in sex at the lowest commitment possible as a general practice. We're seeing the effects of that more and more si… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 02:47 PM |
| 37 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victimThat's why you don't need to make another useless post about the overrun topic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 02:40 PM |
| 59 | The problem is not and was never your "niceness". It was/is every other unattractive trait you selectively choose to ignore so you can play the victim(No downvoting gals, but I'm gonna be highly critical. If you appreciate men's point of view, really, you should leave an upvote, and if you disagree, feel free to explain.) Fundamentally wrong about "the problem". You do have some great insights and suggestions, though. It's just because men choose to ignore other traits so they can "play the victim". Well that's just dumb as fucking hell. The real reason so many so called "nice guys" exist: Today more than ever, men are not competing with what… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 02:36 PM |
| -1 | The desire for simultaneous abundance of partners is not male exclusive - most women would have "harems" in an ideal reality/fantasy if they could, just like menThere's no logical reason for a woman to reject this. God damn, ununbelievable. #1 - Any man potentially willing to invest resources in you will be extremely averse to investing in a woman that's fucking a harem of other men. #2 - The men that are willing to fuck you along side another man/men, will ONLY be willing to invest the time to fuck you. That's fucking it. You're not going to be getting any material investment of extra curicular time/resources from them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/20 07:52 AM |
| 4 | Are women more accepting of a cheater than men? If so why?Yes, for a variety of reasons. Addressed this already here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/hymhvy/if_the_n_count_obsession_is_about_avoiding/fzdxl0k/?context=3 For promiscuous men vs. women, the difference in value to the opposite sex, the ability to love their partner, and the nature/fallout of infidelity are near polar opposites. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 09:19 PM |
| 2 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?Look, observation is a scientific measure at it's core. You're not going to get a double-blind placebo controlled trial of what we're talking about. Even scientific papers obout these topics are often observation-based themselves. First principles - the first of which I gave is a scientific, biological truth, also not disputed. If you want to dispute something, go ahead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 05:18 PM |
| 2 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?I've made my points. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 05:02 PM |
| 2 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?To correct - Women do marry men they're not head over heels for, out of an idea of "settling" and begrudgingly. That's most women today. Looks like you might have mistyped that part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 04:43 PM |
| 1 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?Pretty easy, actually. Some logic | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 03:55 PM |
| 4 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?Yeah, many many times have there been scientific articles given supporting the undesirability of promiscuous women, to give an example. Usual complaints follow about not bringing anything new to the discussion and inability to rebut the basic claims. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 03:10 PM |
| 10 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?That's why I compared it to the farthest thing from rocket science. Anyway, here's all you need to know. Sperm is cheap. Eggs are expensive. A woman can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men, it's the mirror opposite. You don't have to search far and wide to get a general understanding of women's main problems: trying to get commitment after sex has happened (think serial dating, fairly early stages of getting to know each other, lots of fuc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 02:44 PM |
| 2 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?Seems to me that men’s options are infinite if they are willing to pay. Do you think men who have been to young, thin, good looking hookers are incapable of loving their wives? That's a great question. I think it could prevent men from loving their wives like they otherwise could, always thinking in the back of their mind how she was the most amazing he'd ever been with, yeah, that would definitely suck for her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 02:27 PM |
| 7 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?Men are also trying to have their cake and eat it too -- having with sex with the most desirable women they can attract at the lowest levels of commitment You're right there. The important distinction is that men's options get much less (in terms of quality/quantity) as the level of commitment decreases. That's why what a men can get for casual sex doesn't affect them from loving their partners at higher commitment in the same way as women, since men's options are much better the higher commitme… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 01:43 PM |
| 7 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?If you disagree, tell us why. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 12:14 PM |
| 0 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?The situation isn't quite that simple. You're specific interpretation is more or less self serving of women's interests. Already explained in my comment to this post what the dynamics actually are and how the balance of interests are negotiated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 12:01 PM |
| 35 | How Many Of You Would Ban Casual Sex if You Could?Well, if there was perfect information about a potential partner's history, then generally: men would individually ban their commitment to women the more promiscuous they were women would become less promiscuous to the extent they wanted to attract the most they could at the highest level of commitment they desired. In that scenario, eventually the women that wanted marriage would probably be holding out until then, or at least to a great degree. So in a world of perfect information you would ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/20 11:09 AM |
| 2 | OLD would be a lot easier for young men, if older men would stay in their lane....Women decide when sex happens. As a very basic measure, if women secured a commited relationship before having sex, that would improve things a vast amount. Instead, single women take the approach "what's the best I can possibly attract for sex, have sex with, and then try to convert that into some form of commitment". Sex first is itself what allows women access to more desirable men they could otherwise not attract. It'll be a tough sell to them. They get to do this and additionally claim vict… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/20 08:02 PM |
| 2 | Who might have made you red or pink pilled and why?Sure, good point. Let's split the difference then, as doctors more or less have the most prestige/status as far as occupations go. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/20 04:56 PM |
| 4 | Who might have made you red or pink pilled and why?I get where you're coming from. Girls/women don't instinctively know how big of a gap there is between what they can attract at low commitment levels like sex vs. marriage. Women who have taken the approach you mentioned, taking shots at their ideal men even if there's no commitment, probably had no foresight about whether that would affect their ability to love/bond with who they could get for higher levels of commitment, and probably had no foresight either about men accounting for the prevale… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/20 04:50 PM |
| 3 | Who might have made you red or pink pilled and why?Doctors are 1/1000 per capita. Let's say half men. So 1/500. That's a top .2% guy. Factor in good looking top 20% to be generous. That's .04%. Not 4%, but less than 1/20th of 1 percent. So a 1 in 2,500 guy. If only she went to nursing school. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/20 04:25 PM |
| 4 | Who might have made you red or pink pilled and why?The problem is that women aren't able to fully love the men they can get for the highest level of commitment, after they fully give themselves to and fully love more desirable men they could attract, but could only attrract at lower levels of commitment, or no commitment. Women today are more and more in a de facto "what can I attract for sex zone" in the hopes of a relationship. The difference between what a woman can attract for just sex vs. the highest level of commitment is immense. My mom h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/20 03:34 AM |
| 4 | How do you explain girls dating average guys when they are in their prime?Good point. Remember a guy lamenting in some podcast, as he described it, he was able to get interest from girls in high school, but after that they fell off the radar for him, or rather he fell off their radar. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 05:26 PM |
| 2 | Men lie to women, women lie to themselvesNo lie. It's about saving the marriage and for the good of the family. I think it's core to female biology that they want to get with men, and get impregnated, by someone other than their commited partner. What ever a woman's able to snag for a commited partner, her options in terms of quantity/quality of men for lesser commitment will increase greatly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 04:00 PM |
| 2 | Who might have made you red or pink pilled and why?Can you clarify some? What kinds of discussions/comments? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 03:05 PM |
| 3 | What are some signs a guy has a high n count?Yeah, I understand. For goodness sake though. This is why I think saving sex until marriage is the ideal. As long as a woman chooses who she marries (which is what we want!), it guarantees that a woman can take her best option for who is willing to marry her, and then you build a life together. That's the most likely scenario to produce 2 people who view each other as the love of their life, to stay together to raise a family, and stay together supporting each other growing older. Sex is a uniqu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 02:02 PM |
| 5 | Who might have made you red or pink pilled and why?I didn't even catch that. This is the mentality of modern women that I find disgusting that they think they are worthy of higher levels of committed relationships, when they have, in fact, compromised their ability to love and bond (especially sexually) with the men they can actually get at higher levels of commitment, especially marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 12:51 PM |
| 5 | Who might have made you red or pink pilled and why?Men are usually the ones to either start or end relationships There's a bigger picture to this view. It's not quite true. The difference is pre vs. marriage. Pre-marriage, women are busy aiming for the most desirable men they can get for sex and then trying to get higher levels of commitment. At the highest level of commitment, it's most certainly not men usually ending the relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 12:33 PM |
| 36 | Who might have made you red or pink pilled and why?My mom. I was discussing women/modern dating with my mom and brother a while back. About how it's so difficult to attract women if you're not a top-tier guy. Because you're not competing with what a woman can have for a relationship in most cases. You're competing with who a woman is in a casual/non-commited sexual relationship with in the *hopes* of getting a relationship. At the end of the night, I grabbed a picture that I thought looked pretty good of my dad I saw laying around a few days ear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 12:24 PM |
| 4 | What are some signs a guy has a high n count?Why weed out men whose children will have the best chance at social and dating success? Find someone who would describe themselves as a "nice guy" who doesn't want to rush things. The best way to find out the best you can attract at higher levels of commitment is to delay having sex. Then, the guys who would have only been interested in sex will self-select and move on from pursing you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 12:16 PM |
| 1 | I always wondered why women move on so quickly. I think the answer is simply OPTIONSWould suggest you read my comment here. It explains why more than just "options". https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/hq9eyo/is_monogamy_a_liedoomed_to_failure/fyyjqg8/?context=3 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/20 12:42 AM |
| 1 | Women create "nice guys".the modern norm of sleeping with people to shop for potential exclusivity Do you call yourself wife material? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/20 12:40 PM |
| 2 | Women create "nice guys".It has nothing to do with "being nice". Changing the "niceness", strategy, or anything "nice or not" related of so called "nice guys" wouldn't change the end result -- being categorized as just a "nice guy" that a woman isn't interested in/friendzoned/whatever you want to call it. As long as women are taking the best they can attract at the lowest levels of commitment, "nice guys" are just simply not a woman's best option for what she access too and what she's aiming for -- regardless of nicenes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/20 05:23 AM |
| 6 | Women create "nice guys".Yes, it's just a retroactive label women use to describe a guy they are not interested in. Women essentially use the same language both pre-marriage and in divorcing. Pre marraige - He's a nice guy, but I'm just not into him. I didn't feel any chemistry. Divorce - He's a good guy and great dad. I love him, but I'm not in love with him. And after having kids and securing childrearing resources, what's the point of sticking around with the best you can get for marriage? At lower levels of commitme… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/20 02:29 AM |
| 1 | Women create "nice guys".I don't know your circumstances so this is just a stab in the dark. If your approach was to get the best you could get for the highest level of commitment at your peak sexual desirability, you'd probably be able to get a pretty desirable man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/20 02:20 AM |
| 2 | Women create "nice guys".Changing the "niceness"/strategy of so called "nice guys" wouldn't change the end result -- being categorized as just a "nice guy" that a woman isn't interested in/friendzoned/whatever you want to call it. As long as women are taking the best they can attract at the lowest levels of commitment, it's just that they are simply not a woman's best option and what she's aiming for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/20 02:11 AM |
| 20 | Women create "nice guys".This is how Rollo put it in a podcast I think. It's a good take. When a woman actually gets with a guy who she sees as above her own level (this is why egalitarian relationships are nonsense), she looks up to him, she admires that guy. That says to her hindbrain, to her friends, to her ego: this is the kinda guy I can get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 04:36 PM |
| 4 | Women create "nice guys".Do men want to get with a woman for a long term relationship or marriage who's been going from casual sex relationship to casual sex relationship, before "sacrificing her standards" and "settling" for what she could actually get, for a commited partner? That? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 03:19 PM |
| 14 | Women create "nice guys".Only at the highest level of commitment will it be true that: - For the man, that will be the best he can get. - For the woman, that's the best she can get as well. That's the most likely scenario to produce 2 people who view each other as the love of their life, to stay together to raise a family, and stay together supporting each other growing older. Whether that's you're goal or not, I can't say. But I'd put a stake in the ground and take a stand that situation is a worthy goal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 02:32 PM |
| 23 | Women create "nice guys".Unlikely, but that's not to say it doesn't happen ever. Again, men can get far more far a relationship than casual sex. And more for marriage than a given relationship. Casual sex is itself what allows women access to desirable men they *might* be able to get for a relationship. You made my point. For women today, it's dream guy or bust, with modern serial dating of casual sex relationship to casual sex relationship. As I've said before. Women today go from fully loving men they cannot have, to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 02:18 PM |
| 13 | Women create "nice guys".That's right. The first definitive explanation for the increasing existince of nice guys/friendzoning. I've said previously, one principle explains almost all dating/mating behavior: Women can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men, it's the mirror opposite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 02:00 PM |
| 23 | Women create "nice guys".Do men want to get with a woman for a long term relationship or marriage who's been going from casual sex relationship to casual sex relationship, before "sacrificing her standards" and "settling" for what she could actually get, for a commited partner? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 01:59 PM |
| 29 | Women create "nice guys".Because channel's like Matthew Hussey's exist. Think he's by far the most popular women's dating channel. What's overwhelmingly the main topic? How to get the guy to commit. Not to marriage. But from a sex-only non-commited relationship. And so goes serial dating, as you mention. From non-committed ex to non-commited ex to non-commited ex. And so on and so on and so on. Combine that with women marrying later and later and increasingly describing either having to settle or not even be able to get… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 12:02 PM |
| 155 | Women create "nice guys".Wrong. It has nothing to do with what men are taught. The real reason so many so called "nice guys" exist: Today more than ever, men are not competing with what single women can get for a relationship. Men are competing with what single women can get for casual sex in the *hopes* of a relationship. That's why there are so many "nice guys" now. To the extent women engage more and more with the best they can attract at lower levels of commitment, the greater extent more and more men will fall into… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 11:02 AM |
| 0 | Is there a difference between having a height preference and having a weight preference?Were talking about physical traits. However, non-physical traits like you mentioned just now will be selected by the same principle: Overwhelmingly, men will never be selected for anything that can be readily changed. To the extent that something can be readily changed, there's no advantage selecting for it. Take a "good job". Well, if you consider average or somewhat above average "a good job", that's not going to buy you much as man, only to the extent you're kicking ass significantly beyond o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 08:44 AM |
| 1 | Is there a difference between having a height preference and having a weight preference?Re-productive, potentially childbearing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 06:18 AM |
| 1 | Is there a difference between having a height preference and having a weight preference?We're talking about physical traits, atm. Genes + money/status/power/etc are what's selector for overall. Due to a basic welfare floor and before a certain higher amount at which there are diminishing returns, the money side is selected for similarly. Probably genes are more favored now than they have been since basic civilization started. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 02:52 AM |
| 0 | Is there a difference between having a height preference and having a weight preference?It's possible to change, with extreme measures, yes. Because of this, it's your genetics (as they are much less readily changeable) that will still be what's selected for. That you are tall, because an operation, is far less important (arguably you're saddled with medical complications and debt because of it to boot). Consider hair loss, which is at a sort of middle groud at the moment. Men are heavily selected on hairline genetics today, but the cost of hair transplant procedures and solving th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/20 01:05 AM |
| 26 | Is there a difference between having a height preference and having a weight preference?To add another point: Overwhelmingly, men will never be selected for anything that can be readily changed. To the extent that something can be readily changed, there's no advantage selecting for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/20 09:25 PM |
| 2 | Simp double standard.That would be an evolutionary win for the woman -- and quite exploitive at that. Impregnated with good genes, someone else pays: Tax payers on the hook for lowering the woman's tax burden. An any eventual future boyfriend that supports the child. The woman isn't a sucker, in a way a simp suggests. She's suckered everyone else. Fucking love the narrative of some external force acting upon a non-participating object, and is a victim in this scenario. Disgusting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/20 06:38 AM |
| 1 | Like it or not, it's women that are more lookist than menGeneral re-productive health is what matters for women, evolutionarily speaking. Monogamous pairing off actually puts stress on re-productive quality/genes for women also. Re-productive quality is what matters for men. Being healthy isn't a differentiator. Being healthy enough for a man to re-produce isn't what makes him valuable, genetically speaking. You see this reflected our dating/mating today. Being young for women makes them very attractive. Any decent looking young woman will be quite at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/20 05:00 AM |
| 3 | Like it or not, it's women that are more lookist than menThat exceprt might sound careless, I agree. But I would tend to agree strongly with it. Why? Whatever level of quality of a man that a woman can get for higher forms of commitment, by definition, she would be able to get more desirable men for just sex. And hence there's a strong reason why a given woman would want to be impregnated by someone other than their more commited partner. Before humans knew what the hell was going on, I'm sure that happened on the regular. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/20 04:51 AM |
| 2 | Like it or not, it's women that are more lookist than menI think the rationale is fairly straightforward for that. Makeup for women is about expressing youth, their main source of value, reproductively speaking. Youth is a proxy for their ability to have offspring and for the offspring to be healthy. For men, why are things like makeup not important? Also simple. Because it would be an evolutionarily poor decision for women to not to primarily select men (outside of provisioning) based anything that can be readily changed. (It's not an absolute, becau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/20 04:40 AM |
| 11 | If a woman's value decreases with age and n count, how is hypergamy possible.Men inherently care about it, by and large. I can understand having a skewed percetion if you're a woman, because to the extent you get with men who are only interested in sex with you, men won't tend to make a fuss about it. So men that are relatively high value compared to a specific woman will tend to care little, but men overwhelmingly care for more meaningful relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/20 03:49 AM |
| 4 | If a woman's value decreases with age and n count, how is hypergamy possible.A woman doesn't need to be propositioned every day, multiple times a day. But women in general go through their lives getting consistent attention/propositions/interest from men, married or not. The important point is the inherent quality of her options for lesser commitment, relative to what she's got currently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/20 02:43 AM |
| 11 | We know your opinion on female promiscuity. What about male promiscuity? What do you intend to offer to this equation?Exactly: For promiscuous men vs. women: the difference in value to the opposite sex the ability to love their partner and the nature/fallout of infidelity are near polar opposites. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/hymhvy/if_the_n_count_obsession_is_about_avoiding/fzdxl0k/?context=3 Too many re-hashed arguments. Will make a post to put this issue to rest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/20 02:38 AM |
| 15 | If a woman's value decreases with age and n count, how is hypergamy possible.Monkey branching and the "maybe I can do better" urge is primarily a woman-only phenomenon. Here's how it works: Women can attract far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men, it's the exact opposite. That's why for women only, the higher the level of commitment a relationship is, the correspondingly greater degree she'll want better. A man's options get lesser/worse the less commitment he offers (think casual sex), so the higher the level of commitme… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/20 02:09 AM |
| 2 | If women cared about male n-counts then how come they still sleep with/date men with high n-counts?Pretty much. For better or worse, but probably worse. To clarify, men aren't dating up. Across if they're lucky. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/20 05:42 AM |
| 7 | If women cared about male n-counts then how come they still sleep with/date men with high n-counts?Here's the jist: Women can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men, it's the exact opposite. Now... If a woman can get far more for sex than a relationship, and a woman is only interested in her best/top-tier options, those options will tend to be just for sex. And... if women are only going for their best/top-tier options, that implies by definition that men tend to only have opportunities with their worst options, and thus will be interested… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/20 03:38 AM |
| 20 | If women cared about male n-counts then how come they still sleep with/date men with high n-counts?Agree, actions > words. Only basic rationale is needed to explain why. I've done so already: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/hymhvy/if_the_n_count_obsession_is_about_avoiding/fzdxl0k/?context=3 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/20 03:31 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about “The Secretary Problem” (link in text) as a strategy for dating (interviewing) to find a long term partner?The fundamental premise isn't valid. If women overwhelmingly pursue their best/top-tier options, those options will tend to be just for sex, and they aren't even in a position to choose marriage if they want it, with those men. That is, until they start trading off the desirability of the guys they want most for the guys that will commit. And at that point, there's a 0% chance the option for highest commitment will be anything close to what they could get for sex-only non-relationship relationsh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/20 02:33 AM |
| 142 | If the n count obsession is about avoiding infidelity, why aren't male n count discussed?Because the fact that a man who has had many women interested in him and has been with many women, but chose YOU for commitment is the exact opposite (he could have had any of those girls but he choose ME) of a woman who's enthusiastically given herself to many men she couldn't have and had to unenthusiastically and begrudgingly "settle" for you as the shot clock on her fertility and youthfulness is running out. A man will be able to get the most he'll be able to get at higher commitment levels,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/20 08:48 AM |
| 1 | Why are men bothered that they wouldn't be a woman's first choice?The unfortunate part is that women aren't lowering "their standards" relative to what they could get for the commitment level they've had, but lowering their "standards", relative to what they could get for lesser commitment, which was often sex-only non-relationship relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/20 04:19 PM |
| 9 | Why are men bothered that they wouldn't be a woman's first choice?Because women can get far more for sex than a relationship. And far more for a relationship than marriage. And for men it's the exact opposite. The man will be able to get the most he'll be able to get at higher commitment levels, like marriage, while for women it's the opposite. That's why sex in marriage only is unique because it's the only level of commitment where for both the guy and gal, each will be the best the other will be able to get/have. To the extent a woman has sex at lower levels… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/20 03:28 PM |
| 5 | Why are men bothered that they wouldn't be a woman's first choice?Because you want to be in a situation where you love the woman as much as she loves you. At the highest level of commitment -- marriage -- that's overwhelmingly not the case today. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/20 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Is monogamy a lie/doomed to failure?Modern culture more or less preempts women from being able to be satisfied with what they can get for the higest level of commitment, as they tend to serially date men for what they can only get for short term or non-relationship relationships. For men, the more commited the relationship, the more the deck is stacked against you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/20 08:11 AM |
| 2 | Is monogamy a lie/doomed to failure?I hear you dude. You have to remember though, there's a very fundamental dynamic at work: Women can attract far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men, it's the exact opposite. That's why for women only, the higher the level of commitment a relationship is, the correspondingly greater degree she'll want better. A man's options get lesser/worse the less commitment he offers (think casual sex), so the higher the level of commitment, the more men will t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/20 07:35 AM |
| 1 | Can a LVM transform himself into a HVM?You should add more details about your particular situation. Even the most helpful advice will have to be quite general. Maybe that's ok for your purpose, but just fyi. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/20 12:13 AM |
| 6 | Do these young men REALLY value virginity and/or a low "N-count" in women, or are they simply afraid of comparison?Agree :) Btw, is it me or do posts critical of women tend to get downvoted by them? I have yet to downvote a post because I disagree with it myself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/20 12:26 AM |
| 25 | Do these young men REALLY value virginity and/or a low "N-count" in women, or are they simply afraid of comparison?Only basic reasoning needs to be applied. For any given woman, the greater degree she has engaged in sex with the best she can attract at lower levels of commitment, the greater degree she'll be dissatisfied with what she can actually attract at progressively higher levels of commitment, since a woman's options (both in terms of quantity and quality) are greatly restricted the higher the level of commitment. That's really all you need to know. It's really that simple. To clarify: There's almost … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/20 09:29 PM |
| 0 | Is there any way for low-to-average women to desire low-to-average men?Yes, I think the most you can hope for is something like this: https://ask.metafilter.com/191446/What-happens-when-you-marry-someone-you-love-but-arent-deeply-in-love-with See the comment "posted by Sweetie Darling at 11:09 AM" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/20 11:02 AM |
| 1 | Is there any way for low-to-average women to desire low-to-average men?I don't think that's possible. Not in our current culture. I was discussing women/modern dating with my mom and brother a while back. About how it's so difficult to attract women if you're not a top-tier guy. Because you're not competing with what a woman can have for a relationship in most cases. You're competing with who a woman is in a casual/non-commited sexual relationship with in the *hopes* of getting a relationship. At the end of the night, I grabbed a picture that I thought looked prett… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/20 10:48 AM |
| 2 | I met my LTR from being FWBs. Why do people here seem to think all women who have casual sex can never be considered for an LTR?That's correct. They would be more likely to cheat, I'll agree there. The point is that promiscuity effects women in a polar opposite way compared to men. Less commitment for a man implies worse options for him, while less commitment for a woman implies much better options for her. At the point of highest commitment/marriage, that's when a man will have his most attractive options available in his life, and picks from that. While for women, at the point of marriage, what she can get for the high… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/20 07:13 AM |
| 2 | I met my LTR from being FWBs. Why do people here seem to think all women who have casual sex can never be considered for an LTR?Women can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men it's the exact opposite. If you understand that, the rest will follow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/20 06:53 AM |
| 7 | I met my LTR from being FWBs. Why do people here seem to think all women who have casual sex can never be considered for an LTR?Generally speaking: Women who seek the most attractive man they can get in the context of the least amount of commitment (sex only/FWB) will: Repeatedly strike out at getting progressively higher levels of commitment Be unable to fully love/be into the men they can actually get for higher levels of commitment (especially marriage) Women can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men it's the exact opposite. It bears repeating: The fundamental und… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/20 05:44 AM |
| 1 | How much drinks that are consumed on the first date influences your chance for a one night standYes, how many drinks are consumed influence the chance of a one night stand, of course. But, women are looking for a reason to have sex early with the right guy. There's a deeper underlying cause of sex. How many drinks are consumed are more a function of how much the woman wants to have sex with the guy in the first place. "Oh, wow. We had a few drinks and one thing led to another and we ended up having sex. I'm not easy, this doesn't usually happen." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/20 02:35 AM |
| 4 | What advice should Western society give to young women ( <27) who are not conventionally attractive (e.g., 3-6/10) but are looking for marriage / LTR and possibly children?Beyond misinformed. Saying "any age", as if the general statement wasn't off enough already... Google "what age men prefer women". Read the articles and check out the graphs under images. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/20 06:47 AM |
| 5 | What advice should Western society give to young women ( <27) who are not conventionally attractive (e.g., 3-6/10) but are looking for marriage / LTR and possibly children?The problem is: Women take this approach: "What can I get for sex and try to turn THAT into a commited relationship." Instead of: "What can I get for a commited relationship and THEN have sex". But there's almost no limit to what a decent looking, young woman can get for sex only or a non-commited/FWB relationship. Now most men are simply "out of the running" for what a woman is aiming for and has access to (and the friendzone area becomes correspondingly much larger). But... now women more and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/20 06:24 AM |
| 0 | What advice should Western society give to young women ( <27) who are not conventionally attractive (e.g., 3-6/10) but are looking for marriage / LTR and possibly children?Exactly. A woman's attractiveness to men is highest 18-22. A woman will be able to get the most when she has the most to offer, regardless of the commitment level sought. Let's say she's a 6 and 18-22. Casual sex - 6s to 9s and maybe an occasional 10 Relationship - 6s to 7s with maybe a shorter term 8 Marriage - 6 to 7 guy, then build the rest of your life together, probably decent looking, established in his career That's why it's a double clusterfuck that women optimize for short term relation… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/20 06:15 AM |
| 1 | Women are objectified for their looks while men are objectified for their looks and income.FALSE: Men are objectified for their looks AND wealth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/20 05:47 AM |
| 15 | Just trying to reel in a good fish with her blown out net.... 😂Bingo. And as long as women are only pursuing their best/top-tier "options", then men by definition will only have interest/opportunities with their worst options, and thus will only be interested in sex, as a general rule. What a clusterfuck of a relationship market, much less marriage, that's for sure. | /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen | 20/07/20 01:33 AM |
| 14 | Just trying to reel in a good fish with her blown out net.... 😂They're not just looking to get fucked, of course. They start casual in the hopes that a relationship develops. That's women's approach to modern dating. A high body count is usually the end result of that. | /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen | 20/07/20 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Are female standards going up?5'10 is short for many women's looks standards, until they have to "settle", but probably actually even then still. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/20 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Are female standards going up?Of course. Think of it like this: It's not that you're competing against guys who she could have for a relationship, it's that you're competing with guys she's willing to commit to having sex with on a casual/non-commited basis for what she *hopes* will lead to a relationship. So you're basically competing with what she can get for casual sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/20 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Are female standards going up?Unfortunately, what women can get for casual sex/non-commited relationships becomes the bar for what they expect. These women are more or less corrupted on being satisfied with what they can get for higher levels of commitment, because those men won't be as attractive compared to what they can get only for sex/non-committed relationships (and that gulf is large). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/20 05:26 PM |
| 1 | It is within "Good Taste" for a man to order for his date.It's a moot point. In general, you'll see courtship behavior when an average guy has opportunities and interest with average women. As long as women tend to favor pursuing men that they only get for casual/non-commited relationships, you're not going to see any courtship behavior like the ordering or guiding you describe, regardless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/20 06:23 PM |
| 7 | Rode over 100 people but now wants a committed relationshipI don't think communication is the fundamental issue. The reason women take on FWB is because that allows them access to a higher-value guy, that they *might* be able to get for a relationship. The alternative is a lower value guy that's a sure thing (at least in their mind) but with no upside. So if they communicated what they want, they simply wouldn't be able to get with the higher-value maybe-relationship guys. So if she's a 7, there's no reason to get with a 7 for a relationship. At least w… | /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen | 18/07/20 10:46 AM |
| 1 | The fact that men care about n-count at all shows that men are instinctively repulsed by committing mongamously to non-virgins; if they weren't, there would be no discussion about "what degree of past sexual activity" is tolerable. It would just be "past is past"Women can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men, it's the exact opposite. The fundamental underlying problem is that if a woman has spent her efforts giving herself to desirable men she can only get for sex, she is more or less corrupted on being satisfied on what she can get for higher levels of commitment, because those men won't be as attractive compared to what she can get only for sex/non-committed relationships (and that gulf is large)… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/20 06:56 PM |
| 1 | "My Boyfriend is Upset I've Destroyed My Ability To Pair Bond by 21, AITA?"Women can get far more for sex than a relationship. Far more for a relationship than marriage. For men, it's the exact opposite. The fundamental underlying problem is that if a woman has spent her efforts giving herself to desirable men she can only get for sex, she is more or less corrupted on being satisfied on what she can get for higher levels of commitment, because those men won't be as attractive compared to what she can get only for sex/non-committed relationships (and that gulf is large)… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/07/20 01:00 PM |
| 0 | How is FDS manupulative?And using the prospective relationship as leverage to try to get a relationship with the higher-value FWB. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/20 10:55 PM |
| 11 | Can a man actually accurately assess someone’s n-count?It's a given that: Any decent looking, young woman has constant, non-stop romantic interest from men. A woman sure as hell isn't going to be wasting her most attractive years being celibate. It's a better question to ask which types of relationships she's likely pursued: Has she been single for most of her dating life? Or, has she had a few long term relationships? (which would be easy to vet/validate, and assume mostly single if not) If she's mostly been single, you can assume she's got a highe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/20 11:38 AM |
| 18 | the prisoner's dilemma and the present dating situationThe problem is: Women take this approach: "What can I get for sex and try to turn THAT into a commited relationship." Instead of: "What can I get for a commited relationship and THEN have sex". But there's almost no limit to what a decent looking, young woman can get for sex only or a non-commited/FWB relationship. Now most men are simply "out of the running" for what a woman is aiming for and has access to (and the friendzone area becomes correspondingly much larger). But... now women more and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/20 08:55 AM |
| 1 | [Q4All] Where do you stand on the recent supposed rise in young male sexlessness?It comes primarily from serial casual/non-commited sexual relationships over a period of time. Leading with sex over and over with the hope of a relationship. Probably the #1 topic of Matthew Hussey's (largest?) YouTube dating channel for women: HOW TO GET HIM TO COMMIT! (i.e., how to get the guy you're having casual/non-commited sex with to commit to a relationship) (#2 most popular topic: How to get over heartbreak/how to get over someone you never actually dated/were in a relationship with) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/20 01:18 PM |
| 6 | [Q4All] Where do you stand on the recent supposed rise in young male sexlessness?5. Promiscuous women should be shamed, not for being promiscuous, but rather if they represent themselves as a good condidate for marriage. So shamed and not wifed up. Almost all women have heard the quote "don't be someone's priority if you're just an option". But consider the flip side, where the man a woman "settles" for might be her 20th option, or more. Just think about the underlying dynamic of the situation: Women can get far more (in terms of number/quality of men) for sex than a relatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/20 02:49 AM |
| 1 | "Nice Guys" Get Us...EventuallyTranslation: Nice guys aren't out of my league. I'll keep aiming high while I still think I have a shot. If I can bring myself to it, when I'm ready for a nice guy, I hope you'll be there for waiting for me! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/20 12:50 AM |
| 2 | Man emotionally abuses and manipulates 23yo woman shortly after LTR endsSomeone somewhere said this and I think it bears repeating: Women don't like "bad boys". Women like attractive guys, and excuse their bad behavior. | /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen | 10/07/20 05:03 PM |
| 1 | "Soft Harems" Question: Who are the top 20% of men supposedly sleeping with?Agree, men and women should be able to do freely what they want. However: Almost all women deceive men about their sexual history. Especially when it comes time to get into LTRs/marriages that they would otherwise not be considered for. If men by and large don't value a woman who has slept around a lot, a woman who's done such can't turn around and say they're LTR/marriage material. So while there's no "fix" to be applied, you could say "market adjustments" will/are taking place where men are mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/20 06:51 AM |
| 14 | "All of a sudden we're meant for each other" by u/Fleeb4MrZurkonWe should call this 2nd phase the commitment carousel, as women "settle" and "sacrifice" their standards and work their way down as they try to find a long term relationship/marriage. Of course their "standards" were based on what they could get for sex and "dating", not a long term relationship to begin with. So cock carousel -> commitment carousel -> then shit hits the fan. This quote from Fargo sums it up nice: "A whore's life is five good years, five bad years, and then some half-dick sweat … | /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen | 26/06/20 11:45 PM |
| 2 | "When I was single, I would have to have someone to sleep with on a regular basis so I didn't sleep with everyone I came in contact with. Now, the thought of having sex feels like more work then pleasure...but I do love my boyfriend and I want this to work. I feel the stress of relationships past."Right, women take their best option, and lead with basically casual sexual relationships. So it's not that you're competing against guys who she could have for a relationship, it's that you're competing with guys she's willing to commit to having sex with on a casual basis for what she hopes will lead to a relationship. Have a look at the YouTube channels for Matthew Hussey and Attract Great Guys. Women's dating experience doesn't primarily happen in the context of committed relationships. Women… | /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen | 16/04/20 06:55 AM |
| 2 | The Problem with Female Promiscuity (the sad story of Lizzy; the sadder story of Lizzy's boyfriend)Thanks man. Yeah, leading with any kind of "I'm interested in being your boyfriend/LTR" vibe is an underlying signal itself that she can do better than you. When you do/say anything that effectively conveys "you're one of my best options" that itself implies the opposite from her perspective, which is that you're not one of her best options. And that's why as a guy, don't bother wasting your time with your best options, because that means you're probably one of her worst ones. The most highly de… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/04/20 06:40 AM |
| 3 | The Problem with Female Promiscuity (the sad story of Lizzy; the sadder story of Lizzy's boyfriend)Have a look at the YouTube channels for Matthew Hussey and Attract Great Guys. Women's dating experience doesn't primarily happen in the context of committed relationships. Women primarily have serial casual relationships with really desirable guys with the hope they can get them to commit. You might be surprised at just how much content of those channels is geared toward getting guys to commit to a relationship (there's no issue getting sex, obviously) or getting over an "ex" (not necessarily a… | /r/TheRedPill | 13/04/20 05:21 AM |
| 2 | The Problem with Female Promiscuity (the sad story of Lizzy; the sadder story of Lizzy's boyfriend)Women take their best option, and lead with basically casual sexual relationships. So it's not that you're competing against guys who she could have for a relationship, it's that you're competing with guys she's willing to commit to having sex with on a casual basis for what she hopes will lead to a relationship. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/04/20 06:22 AM |
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