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The way I keep thinking about it after NoFap is; ride the Lamborghini to impress your friends but, the fun is in the Subaru Impreza set for rally racing. And if you find a Lamborghini that can rally race you've hit gold. You know those Subarus like it dirty. (Disclosure, I drive one myself.)
/r/seduction13/09/15 06:22 AM
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Lesbians? They would have mommy issues.
/r/seduction06/05/15 08:18 AM
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Jealousy has nothing to do with confidence. Let that sink in for a while. No matter how confident you are, how many women you've slept with, how many times you've done this "same ol' routine", you can still get jealous. It is due to attachment; you've invested your time and effort in this girl, and you want something out of it. If you just did your opener, and a girl says she has a boyfriend I doubt jealousy would be the first thing on your mind. If you've been on a few dates, clicked really wel…
/r/seduction24/11/14 09:49 AM
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This is pretty good.
/r/seduction14/11/14 03:18 AM
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It is always difficult at the beginning; /r/Meditation would be a good place for you to start. The key as always is to make small changes, and sustain it. When I started meditating, I could barely manage 5 minutes and now I'm comfortable with 20. It's still nowhere near what others can achieve, but it is considerable progress on my part and it motivates me to go for the next milestone.
/r/seduction03/12/13 03:42 AM
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You are right that seduction and PUA is about seeking constant self-improvement. After a certain point, some of us would decide that we have enough skill with opening, escalating, and closing and move on. After all, there are only so many openers, games, gambits, flim-flams, bamboozles and techniques before it begins to seem the same. I've been asking "what comes after PUA?" for the longest time, and after searching for a year settled on an answer.My next stage was to explore relationships, and …
/r/seduction05/09/13 05:35 PM
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It worked for me.
/r/seduction02/04/13 01:02 PM
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On my 35th birthday, I was asked this by quite a few people. I took a line from Style's book: "Old enough to do it, young enough to do it right"
/r/seduction02/04/13 09:13 AM
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The difference to me is in the pursuit of knowledge. A reader looks through the material and understands the message; a learner will question everything the material is saying and verify those facts. It's the difference between knowing the material and knowing the theories and concepts behind the material.
/r/seduction01/04/13 12:59 AM
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Reading. Learning. Since I started reading Seduction material, I have developed an interest in psychology and behavioral science. Not one to do things in half measures, I started reading up on a lot of the research that the material is based upon as well as related topics like body language and relationships. Earlier this year, I discussed about biological and hormonal differences between men and women with one of my ex-coaches and I was invited to give a talk about the topic. I'm no professor, …
/r/seduction27/03/13 08:50 AM
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Giving value means that you recognize the needs or wants of others and act to fulfill them. Validation is one such example. By qualifying and then praising or approving a quality in someone, you can give value to the receiver's need for validation. Making people laugh, or showing them something interesting, or telling them an interesting story would also be giving value as it fulfills a need for entertainment or fascination. The trick is to do it without wanting anything in return, and being con…
/r/seduction27/09/12 10:46 AM
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Learn to have a strong frame (Inner game), build rapport, and give value. These were my biggest learnings from being a PUA, and has tremendously helped my career and other aspects of my life.
/r/seduction27/09/12 08:56 AM
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And you mentioned Crinos form earlier, I thought you were geek. /neg
/r/seduction27/09/12 08:50 AM
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To be fair, he said "mentality" not "reality". :P All that's needed is to believe that there are other options out there. If you have the right skillset, the right resume, and can demonstrate that you are able to perform in the job it's possible to land another one. All this economy means is that the employers can be more picky, while employees are put in competition. It's no different from dating.
/r/seduction29/08/12 06:42 AM
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One thing I would like to stress, especially to people who are applying the seduction concept to work is value. Bring value to your managers, show value to the people that interview you, give value to the meetings/projects you are doing. You want to be seen as a leader and influencer in whatever your area of responsibility is. When you talk about your role, or explain your job whether it's in an introduction to a colleague (from another office/region/branch) or during an interview, don't talk ab…
/r/seduction29/08/12 06:40 AM
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I took a line from Style (credit where credit is due) when the age issue cropped up. Her: How old are you? Me: Old enough to do it, young enough to do it right.
/r/seduction27/08/12 08:01 AM
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This is a very detailed guide, thanks! I like the breakdown and the explanation of how to pull it off.
/r/seduction27/08/12 07:50 AM
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Smile, eye contact, slow "Thank you", nod slowly. Act as though you took it to hear and it was the most genuine compliment you've ever received. Then keep talking about whatever you were talking about, or change the subject. I saw a talk on Charisma, and this was supposedly what Bill Clinton does. The pause is all important before responding, to show that you are letting the compliment sink in.
/r/seduction27/07/12 03:47 AM
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There's always the token "we shouldn't be doing this", or "we're going too fast" resistance which is what I was referring to.
/r/seduction18/07/12 02:35 AM
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You may be downvoted, but I can confirm this. When I give a girl oral, I tend to get them to stick around a lot more. I also get almost no resistance to sex when I go for penetration. Whoever said "there are two things you should acquire a taste for: beer and pussy" is on the money.
/r/seduction17/07/12 09:11 AM
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Not just Seddit, but my local community (we hate the term "lair") has been posting and discussing your blogs. So thanks from all of us from somewhere SE Asia.
/r/seduction18/06/12 08:40 AM
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Better yet, fuck her THEN call her the next day.
/r/seduction13/04/12 07:14 AM
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The thing about natural game is that the focus is not on routines or lines, but rather on concepts and techniques which anyone can apply to any interaction. It is the "frame" that matters, and not what you say; hence the need for congruency. Wannabes and "mainstream" people that come in can use these and see immediate effect. A bootcamp I attended has shown this to be true over and over. As for the scene taking a nosedive, I think that if you are a serious about practicing the concept of Game th…
/r/seduction03/04/12 08:00 AM
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I do Vipassana meditation which focuses on being aware of your breath. I sit cross legged, with my palms facing up and keeping my back straight. Close my eyes, and count my breath. Every time a stray thought pops into your mind, acknowledge it and restart the count. The idea is for you to discipline your mind and body, as well as to be aware and acknowledge your thoughts and feelings. You can download this ebook free as a start: Mindfulness in Plain English And you can find more information here…
/r/seduction21/03/12 03:02 AM
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As someone who is a sedditor and a buddhitor, and in his 30's... I would heartily recommend meditation. The whole purpose of this is to sit in quiet and be aware of your own emotions, thoughts, fears, desires etc. By recognizing and acknowledging them, you have taken the first step into controlling those emotions. I have personally done this myself, coming to terms with my insecurities and my anger towards life in general. Let me know if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them as I c…
/r/seduction20/03/12 08:25 AM
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Don't you wish you could give yourself blowjobs then?
/r/seduction19/01/12 06:36 AM
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Use it to start something. They've "opened" you, take it from there.
/r/seduction02/12/11 06:36 AM
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From my experience, you can't control rejection but you can reduce flaking. Rejection occurs for many reasons, not all of which are within your control. She may be in a committed relationship, she may prefer a different "type" (and you have not hit the right buttons), she's not having a good day etc. Flakes usually occur because you have not built up enough comfort or connection before asking them out/calling them.
/r/seduction24/11/11 06:16 AM
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You're welcome!
/r/seduction15/11/11 04:03 PM
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If her behavior is unacceptable to you, I would talk to her about it the first time, remind her the second time, and dump her on the third incident. Remember that even in a relationship (short or long term), you still have to screen for the qualities you like. Withdrawing attention does not solve the problem, and if you've dated the crazy sometimes therapy (from a trained professional) might be the only solution. If you care enough for the girl, discuss the incident, the behavior and her beliefs…
/r/seduction15/11/11 03:05 AM
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Zapp FTW! No AA, plows through every single objection, and a sexy learning disorder!
/r/seduction28/10/11 06:08 AM
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how would one go about differentiating a slut from a whore in such a situation?? Money. Sluts do it for free, whores do it for the $$$.
/r/seduction08/08/11 03:08 AM
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It's useful whenever you are talking to a cow-orker.
/r/seduction14/07/11 08:28 AM
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I recall hearing something similar, and I'm not too sure but I believe it's mentioned in the RSD Blueprint. First disc or two should have that bit.
/r/seduction12/07/11 05:39 AM
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Exploitative or not, I'd fap to that, but you're entitled to your view.
/r/seduction11/07/11 04:29 PM
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There's one that says "Do you know what semen tastes like?"
/r/seduction02/07/11 09:59 AM
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If you pick one of them, you can start telling her she needs to see a doctor, that you're seriously worried etc. In fact, you can even suggest she should go cool herself and isolate the other one. All of this is in a joking tone, of course. Or you could play "doctor": tell one of them to go home, take two asprins and call you in the morning, and that you'll take care of her friend.
/r/seduction01/07/11 08:01 AM
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Now all we need is someone to cue in the cheesey music and sound effects.
/r/seduction14/06/11 05:34 AM
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The first rule of pirate bay is that we don't talk about pirate bay. Anyway, most of their torrents have been taken down.
/r/seduction30/05/11 02:34 AM
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For all the nay-sayers who think that looks matter, go do a search for Sean Stephenson. If a deformed midget in a wheelchair (all respect to him, but that is what he is) can date decently hot women, we able bodied people have no excuses except the ones we make up for ourselves. I'm not saying that you should not do anything about your weight if it bothers you; instead I'm saying that your self-esteem is what truly matters. If you are having a fulfilling life and enjoying your lifestyle and body,…
/r/seduction20/05/11 11:06 AM
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If you like this, the follow up Before Sunset is good too. As is Vicky Christina Barcelona.
/r/seduction20/05/11 08:58 AM
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It is an excellent post, but as someone who is studying Buddhism I don't see very much of it in the quotes (granted I'm new on that path). The quotes given by the OP certainly are inspirational and relevant to inner game, but I doubt its source. ThrowawayPUA commented similarly, but with more solid points.
/r/seduction12/05/11 06:26 AM
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He got someone else to help him do it, probably.
/r/seduction06/05/11 08:04 AM
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If you use it often enough it is a line.
/r/seduction05/05/11 03:51 AM
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TLDR: Your status is what you decide it is.
/r/seduction19/04/11 09:07 AM
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This comment also is applicable if girls fish for compliments or assurance on any of their physical assets.
/r/seduction17/04/11 04:44 PM
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TIL: "nice guys" are the male equivalent of sluts. Never really looked at it that way before.
/r/seduction13/04/11 05:32 AM
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I think she likes me and is trying to avoid admitting it. I think she wants me to show her signs that I like her so she can be the one to reject me. She hasn't done it yet and I know it's something that's probably crossed her mind. What do you guys think? She wants your attention. You've proven yourself to be pre-selected (by hanging around other chicks), and confident in your behavior. It's POSSIBLE she likes you, but since you've already identified her as crazy why don't you just let her down …
/r/seduction07/04/11 08:25 AM
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This is a good recommendation. Also the "Annihilation Method" by Style is full of routines as well, as are most of Mystery's videos.
/r/seduction06/04/11 04:50 AM
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Actually, I'd say that experience is just as important as knowledge.
/r/seduction05/04/11 02:43 AM
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We don't have anything against them either... I don't know if that's a problem or not. :P But seriously, thanks for all the good work you've done helping AFCs find their game. Sometimes it's not about "forcing PUA literature down their throats", but giving them advice that they need in everyday language. Little tidbits of information or handy tricks might help more for these people. At least until they realize they can change and ask for more help. Then shove them a few books and tell them to RT…
/r/seduction04/04/11 04:08 AM
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An insane genius? I think so.
/r/seduction15/03/11 03:52 AM
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I believe that it is not what you say, but WHO says it. The frame you take, based on your identity influences how you say it as well as colors how others interpret the words that come out of your mouth. Take the line "I'd love to get up to the mountain more but I just can't afford the ticket prices" as an example. Imagine those same words being said by say Bill Gates, and a poor struggling student. The emphasis, the body language and their very identity affects how we would imagine them saying i…
/r/seduction08/03/11 08:30 AM
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This is good stuff! I'd vote for this to be in the sidebar.
/r/seduction06/03/11 12:10 AM
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I have seen that post, and remember reading it while it was fresh. I found it enlightening, thanks!
/r/seduction05/03/11 03:49 PM
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Keep livin the good life!
/r/seduction05/03/11 06:11 AM
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Exactly my point. Thanks. :)
/r/seduction05/03/11 03:36 AM
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Yes, I agree and hate the term "pick up" as well. However it is a name that stuck because at heart that is what the skillset is used for by most people. I don't find it offensive or morally objectionable or discriminatory enough to get up in arms about it though. The purpose of these "pick up" skills is to understand and consciously alter our behavior through altering our beliefs and identity. It is only through understanding that we get adept at those skills and get the results we want. I've al…
/r/seduction05/03/11 02:18 AM
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Hey Nick, thanks for taking the time to write out such a thoughtful response! That's a lot of good stuff right there, and it does make sense. Looking back, I've made many of the mistakes above and can see clearer now why those relationships failed. Do you have any resources on this that you could recommend? Books, DVDs etc? Having started my journey as a Keyboard Jockey a long time ago, I still think that understanding before doing is pivotal to my mastery of a subject.
/r/seduction05/03/11 02:08 AM
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The whole PUA movement to me is about developing a skill that I was one lacking. The branch of maintaining a relationship is as interesting to me as starting one and I'd like to hear both of your takes on how to build a lasting relationship if you're so inclined to share. What do you do differently to build lasting relationships instead of "picking up women"? What do we learn in pick up that is applicable? (And what isn't?) I'm crossing my fingers that you take the time to answer these questions…
/r/seduction04/03/11 06:29 PM
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I agree with that principle, but this has nothing to do with it. The OP perceives that getting sexual with her is hurting her. This may or may not be true, depending on how the situation is handled. What's more crucial at this point (in my opinion at least), is for the OP to understand that sometimes it is not possible to please everyone. There are consequences to every action (and not all of them bad), and one should not go through life trying to avoid stepping on toes. It is sometimes necessar…
/r/seduction02/03/11 04:37 PM
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This. Stop this. You can't go through life without ever hurting anyone. Choices you make always have consequences, even if the person you hurt is yourself. What you should understand is that you may think you are "not hurting her", but what you are giving up in exchange is your identity. Get yourself together, figure out what you want and act accordingly.
/r/seduction02/03/11 09:32 AM
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I'll agree with you, but decline to comment on Neil's character. I've never met him in person, and only watched his DVDs. Neil's contribution, IMO, is the expansion of the M3 model. While Mystery and Neil taught the same system they each have their own stories and routines. That itself has value, as it shows how two different people using the same system can have similar success with women. It has allowed me the chance to analyze what were the common success traits, and mimic those in my earlier…
/r/seduction02/03/11 04:57 AM
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Like it or not, Neil and Mystery brought us the basics of Game or "PUA techniques" as we know them today. Ross Jeffery may be known as the father of seduction science, but the M3 model is pretty core to almost every system out there. The details may differ, but the structure of "Attract, Comfort, Seduction" works. Like it or not, give the devil his due.
/r/seduction02/03/11 04:18 AM
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Yeah, I thought of that Bernard Shaw quote too. Thing is, the only thing I don't agree with the whole convo is the price.
/r/seduction02/03/11 04:11 AM
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Simply "Have fun". It's a reminder that if you enjoy yourself, the people around you will enjoy your company more.
/r/seduction01/03/11 02:41 AM
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I'll second that. I read her post and thought it was great that she shared her view as a female. It is a valuable insight, and well thought out and written; one that most men don't often see. It's a shame the community reacted so poorly, and I sincerely hope we didn't scare her away or deter her from posting.
/r/seduction28/02/11 09:24 AM
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I threw up a little in my mouth when I read that.
/r/seduction25/02/11 02:46 AM
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Please post it on YouTube. I (and I'm presuming other as well) would love to see that video.
/r/seduction23/02/11 04:38 AM
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A little late to the party, but one thing of value I learned from my last interview (which landed me my current job) is to have a portfolio of your work. This is common in the creative field, but for a desk monkey that does Excel spreadsheets and PowerPoint work? OMG! It was only during that interview that I realized how much value it showed. Looking back with my boss, he commented that it was what clearly set me apart from the other candidates.
/r/seduction20/02/11 01:42 AM
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What knowledge, skills, and qualities that we learn in Pick-Up are applicable and helpful in maintaining a healthy relationship? And as a caveat to the above question: How can we best develop these skills and qualities? I ask this question because David Wygant aims his products to women as much as men. Now that I am much more confident socially, I have no trouble attracting women. Keeping them is the issue I now face. Please upvote this if you would like to see this question answered.
/r/seduction17/02/11 07:10 AM
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First thing I thought of was "Whose Line is it Anyway" and the bald jokes that go on in there. Go watch a few of those clips, and watch for Colin's reply to them. Edit: Try this one.
/r/seduction07/02/11 04:48 PM
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I love gaming in social circles. The "make friends" and "talk to everyone" route is fine, but not necessarily for everyone. I'd advise you to figure out what you like doing, and join a club or at least meet people who share the same goals or interests as you. You can either join forums or hang out at places where people partake of these interests. From there you can make friends and build social networks away from these interests. An example would be hanging out at comic shops, and then bringing…
/r/seduction07/02/11 06:41 AM
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Awesome guide Throw, thanks for the recommendation!
/r/seduction05/02/11 10:53 AM
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Thanks for the link! Watched the video and learned a lot.
/r/seduction01/02/11 12:41 PM
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If she's hard to get, get someone else. That has always been my philosophy, first coming from a perspective of laziness, and now from a perspective of understanding how the game works. If she's making you work so hard on getting a date, you're better off moving her to the back of the queue.
/r/seduction27/01/11 04:23 AM
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With my schedule, I usually don't like re-confirming or reminding people about meetings. (At work, my PA handles things like this.) However, I do have to constantly reschedule and there is usually a fair amount of changes to my schedule so I would usually leave the location of dates or outings open and only confirm the day and time I'm meeting people. That has also worked as a good anti-flake measure. I'd usually text people where I will be and make arrangements to meet a few hours before. If a …
/r/seduction26/01/11 09:39 AM
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I read that line and thought the same thing. Please go into details, I'd love to know what others are doing right. To the OP: Make it a new post if you like!
/r/seduction05/01/11 09:03 AM
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Internet hi-5 for having the same answer. This has worked very well for me in the past.
/r/seduction05/01/11 05:35 AM
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It hasn't been said yet so here goes: If a girl isn't interested in hanging out, then you may not be interesting/attractive to them. Build your value as a person, as a friend, as a man. Do they enjoy your company? Do you have any interesting stories to tell? Is interaction between you and the girl(s) fun? From the kind of responses you're getting, my gut feel on the above questions would be a solid "no". Don't be discouraged though, a lot of people who are in the Seduction community started that…
/r/seduction05/01/11 04:02 AM
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I know, she had me at Squish Mitten too!
/r/seduction03/01/11 03:10 PM
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"Have fun." When I first started going in field, I'd usually ask my wing what the objective was for the night thinking it would be a number of approaches, or phone number exchanges, or kisses, or pulling a girl from the club. Instead, "have fun" was the only response I ever got out of him. Try it, it'll make sense eventually.
/r/seduction03/01/11 01:29 AM
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↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A Select Start
/r/seduction28/12/10 07:33 AM
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Whatever your age, whatever your level of game, it's never too late to start. Think about how many days you have ahead of you, and how you'd like to spend those days. At 32, you've got another 40+ years if you live to average age. That's a good 15,000 odd days of life expectancy left, and it's a very very long time to spend miserable about yourself. By the way, there are no shortcuts to things that are worth obtaining. Learn and practice, and do it one step at a time. Set goals for yourself, sta…
/r/seduction28/12/10 07:19 AM
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Carpe Diem indeed. I'm gonna text my girl now too.
/r/seduction28/12/10 02:57 AM
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The bright side about this is that the girl will be totally new to all the techniques and routines that you run. This will be exploratory for her as she delves into her first relationship (and maybe sexual experience). You will have to take the lead, and unless she's naturally very dominant or confident, you can also expect to prompt communication with her. Just recall your first relationship, and all the anxiety and thrill. Now imagine it was with a HB10. That's what it should feel like for her…
/r/seduction27/12/10 09:03 AM
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Holiday pictures and Facebook. My friends frequently comment and post on each other's walls and photos, and it's a good way to fill in the gaps where you're away. Of course if you're Spinning Plates (I've always wondered when anyone would use that in a post), you may want to use this sparingly.
/r/seduction24/12/10 03:39 AM
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Relationship_advice is that way.
/r/seduction17/12/10 09:11 AM
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The idea of a disqualifier is to disarm a girl by seeming that you are not a suitor. The all time classic "you're not my type" worked well for me in the past. Boring but effective. You don't want to dwell on it too much IMO, just something you put out there and move on.
/r/seduction17/12/10 12:47 AM
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I do not see what is wrong or un-alpha about admitting your mistakes. Apologies should not be dished out lightly or frequently, but there are times when apologies are necessary. Sure, an apology gives away your power but it mends a damaged relationship and hopefully allows you to proceed only if it is sincerely given.
/r/seduction13/12/10 05:19 AM
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If you don't like it GTFO, or do something positive to change things. I do not see how making a post like this contributes anything to this forum, nor how anyone who shares your view or other grievances would contribute to changing things.
/r/seduction10/12/10 05:30 AM
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No one's asking you to lie. But if you're not genuinely interested, neither will she be.
/r/seduction06/12/10 09:17 AM
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The girl knows that she's being picked up, she gave out her number to a stranger. That's why you don't want her to regret it later. Staying around for 5 minutes assures her that your interest is genuine, and she's not just another notch on your bedpost.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:25 AM
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Can I hit on you? I use a variation of this line, but not as an opener. Usually in conversation I would ask if she's single. (I don't bother with women in relationships to avoid unnecessary complications.) If she responds that she is, I'd say "Good, I'm going to hit on you. What's your number?" If I'm doing it right, I've already built enough rapport and comfort which allows me to take things to the next level.
/r/seduction06/12/10 05:07 AM
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Must be a very nice ass to hug that long.
/r/seduction06/12/10 03:56 AM
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The link is pretty confusing without the paper that goes along with the table. Note also in the discussions segment there are some limitations to the study.
/r/seduction03/12/10 07:15 AM
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Why not? I regularly spend on dinner, drinks and gifts for friends if I'm in the mood. A gift is given freely and without expectations, and among my friends we don't squabble over money. On the flip side, we don't abuse that privilege or each other's friendship and generosity as well. That's what makes the whole thing work. Edit: I thought I should add this below. The difference here is that buying drinks/dinner for people is something I do naturally among friends. I am not buying drinks for peo…
/r/seduction03/12/10 04:20 AM
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Not really the same thing. I wouldn't fuck either of them, by a male friend has at least earned my trust and friendship. An unattractive female is just that.
/r/seduction03/12/10 04:19 AM
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When I want to do something nice for a girl I have NOT slept with, I'll usually ask myself if I would do the same for a male friend. If the answer is yes, I go ahead. If no, I don't.
/r/seduction02/12/10 05:41 AM
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"How many?" Usually gets a laugh out of the girls.
/r/seduction01/12/10 03:09 AM
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There are two kinds of motivation: Moving away from Moving towards What you've suggested in just the first, to motivate himself not to get shot down again. There's also the promise of a better social life, more self confidence, and a better understanding of his desires. With that achieving his goals whether it's a relationship, sex or social will be easier. Also, I'm a big advocate of baby steps when moving out of your comfort zone. Steps you take should stick. I can't remember where I read this…
/r/seduction27/11/10 04:35 AM
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Wasn't "Attraction is not a choice" a David DeAngelo line?
/r/seduction27/11/10 04:05 AM
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For most people rejection or "getting blown out" isn't usually so life shattering.
/r/seduction26/11/10 02:10 AM
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I've read through a few of your responses here...nothing works because of your frame of mine. Think you're unattractive and your body language and "twitches" become unattractive; think otherwise and the opposite happens. Try working on your inner game, and take time out to sort out the following: Your core values Your identity & Archetype Lifestyle & Status Grooming & Body Language The above points should address why a woman is attracted to you. If it doesn't sound good, work on it. "Outer game"…
/r/seduction23/11/10 10:57 PM
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Ooh, I was on holiday for the last week. Thanks for sharing this here otherwise I would've totally missed this. And welcome to Seddit!
/r/seduction23/11/10 10:45 PM
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Yes, so that means your actions will not be non sexual and silly. (Link is SFW.)
/r/seduction19/11/10 01:29 AM
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Yeah, we shook hands and I escalated to a friendly touch on the shoulder. Just remember to keep it appropriate in a professional setting, but kino is important here as well... just keep it non sexual (and save the silly for someone else).
/r/seduction18/11/10 03:57 PM
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If you go by this, both introverts and extroverts can be just as personable, but introverts just have a lower endurance for the activity. Nailed it right on the head. As an introvert, you'll probably be more selective on who you build rapport with as you have a lower tolerance of being around people.
/r/seduction18/11/10 03:55 PM
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I was an introvert, arguably I still am. The whole PUA stuff to me isn't about faking extroversion or even becoming an extrovert. Look beyond the routines, the gimmicks and the canned lines and you will find that it is about being socially aware. Understanding things like body language, leadership, charisma, and having strong beliefs & values (or "inner game" as it's called here) doesn't matter whether you're an introvert or an extrovert. From there you'll learn how to act in social situations i…
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:48 AM
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Not everything is about game. Once she's attracted, you can drop more of the game-y stuff. Your goal is to get her out, show her a good time, have a good time yourself, and leave her wanting more. What happens in between is "game", not figuring out how to get her out. She already asked you "How about another time?", showing that she is interested in going out with you. Save the game for when it's needed.
/r/seduction17/11/10 05:52 AM
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If she asks "how about another time?" then treat her like any other human being and work out a schedule with her. She wants to meet you, and I honestly don't see a problem with compromise. Usually my response would be along the lines of "Okay, how about Tuesday or Thursday next week?" If she's genuinely busy, then ask her for a day she's available. If she picks the day, then tell her you'll pick the place.
/r/seduction17/11/10 05:32 AM
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Viagra. Lots of it. :) On a more serious note, if there are 2 available guys and 9 women vying for male attention you're already seen as the prize since the males are a scarce resource. All you need to do is to be sure on what you want, single out a girl and keep escalating. Talk to everyone, be social, be fun, but once you've figured out who your target is, I'd isolate and spend some alone time with one of them.
/r/seduction15/11/10 04:13 AM
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The "common misconception" with regards to romance is that the guy chases the girl and wins her heart. The seduction community turns that on its head and transforms the guy who goes around chasing girls into an attractive male instead. It opens up alternatives for those who do not like the idea of hitting up every girl and buying them drinks in exchange for a glimmer of hope for romance.
/r/seduction08/11/10 03:16 PM
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The problem I'm having now is that I'm getting the feeling she wants me to initiate the next "talk" but my instincts are yelling NO at me. If you've been reading seddit then you would've picked up that talking about feelings is a bad bad idea. Assuming you want in her pants, rationalizing or convincing your way into her pants never worked. Just find an opportunity to get a kiss, and sexually escalate from there. The relationship can come afterwards. If you don't want to fuck her, then it doesn't…
/r/seduction08/11/10 08:39 AM
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Great! Good luck, and have fun!
/r/seduction05/11/10 01:15 AM
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Choices. You need choices man. Get out there, meet more women you want to date. If one flakes on you, there'll be others. I believe the saying is "Don't make someone a priority, when you're just an option to them".
/r/seduction05/11/10 12:54 AM
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One of the main tenets is that no girl is special unless she has earned it. Flaking is definitely not "earning it". So she's smart/funny/hot/sexy/etc, but until she actually dates you or sleeps with you, she deserves no special treatment. If you like her that much, and since she has offered to reschedule, then make another date with her. If you are is awesome to her as she apparently is to you, she wouldn't flake (if she flakes twice, move on).
/r/seduction04/11/10 09:10 AM
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I read that any girl who finds an excuse to be on your bed wants to make out. Well I've missed a couple of those opportunities now. If you've missed it, you've missed it. There'll be other women.
/r/seduction03/11/10 06:59 AM
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Don't convince her into it, seduce her into it. Sex is an emotional decision for girls, not a logical one. This once, it's okay to think with your dick and not your brain. Trust me.
/r/seduction02/11/10 05:11 AM
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Hint: If she's naked, she wants to have sex. You just need to make it happen in a way that she doesn't seem like a slut for doing it.
/r/seduction02/11/10 02:49 AM
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And also one that incites the female in question to pursue her object of affection with more fervor.
/r/seduction01/11/10 03:37 AM
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Essentially, what I meant was to take a figurative step back in your interactions with her. If you're already hanging out with her among mutual friends, then just treat her like a friend of a friend.
/r/seduction01/11/10 03:27 AM
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Just treat her like you're meeting someone new for the first time. Introduce yourself again etc. Don't bring up the fact that she flaked. If she apologizes for flaking, then fine... if not just pretend that it never happened and don't escalate with her. She's made her stand, you can make yours but there's no point lowering your value by making a big deal out of it or showing any negativity.
/r/seduction31/10/10 04:40 PM
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This is good, but don't stop there. Tell something about the person you're introducing. Doing the opening for someone helps heaps, but ease him into conversations too.
/r/seduction31/10/10 04:36 PM
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The important thing to note is the context in which those canned lines are said. It's not just how Mystery says it, but what he means in the situation where he says it. You'll have to watch his body language and understand what is going on in the interaction, before you understand what he is trying to achieve by saying those lines. As a beginner, I was using those same lines but all I was doing was screwing up. It's not just the lines, the vibe or the energy, but being calibrated to the situatio…
/r/seduction29/10/10 07:33 AM
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Did you manage to get laid? :P
/r/seduction29/10/10 12:23 AM
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I've not figured how to get them intersted, but there's this thing called the "moment": Make eye contact with the girl. Hold eye contact while she looks away. She looks back and makes eye contact again and smiles. Approach and open. The key is when she re-initiates eye contact, which is an IOI. If she doesn't, it usually means she's not interested (yet). You can still approach, but it is harder. If they maintain eye contact, then smile. Her reaction to that should indicate if she's open or not.
/r/seduction28/10/10 10:53 AM
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I came across a comic that suggested the idea of going as "God's Gift to Women". Simple enough a costume, with a lot of cocky funny built into it. But you've got to be able to back it up. At the worst, it's worth a few lolz.
/r/seduction28/10/10 06:44 AM
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I agree with where you're coming from, but there is wisdom in learning from naturals. As much as I like to follow programmed interaction models and such, I will not turn away any learning opportunity. What this post has that the others do not, is that the OP clearly demonstrates the mindset of the natural and tries to share a valid point. I would hope that you (and everyone else) can see the value in that as opposed to the "just be confident and fuck more women" type of post.
/r/seduction27/10/10 04:17 AM
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I love hearing from naturals because of how simply they put things. We theorize, we hypothesize, we plan, and in the process sometimes we forget the most simple of things. Have an Seddited upvote and orangered!
/r/seduction26/10/10 11:21 AM
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I'm in agreement there. Usually the message as such works better for me: Drinks tomorrow. <Time>, <Place>.
/r/seduction22/10/10 05:43 AM
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Great! Then keep doing what you're doing and escalate. Good luck!
/r/seduction22/10/10 03:48 AM
3

If she says you give off a player vibe but still hangs out with you, then you're doing things right. Remember what the other extreme of not being a player is? It's being what we call an "AFC" in PUA Lingo. Ideally, you want to push to the "Player" end of the spectrum every now and then. As long as you do have genuine moments where the both of you connect on non sexual issues like music, food, or other hobbies or interests I do not see the problem. If a girl ever accuses me of being a player, I u…
/r/seduction22/10/10 01:50 AM
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If you're not comfortable in clubs, then don't do it in clubs or where at least the music isn't as loud. I used to hang around outside the clubs, or in the smoking areas and pickup there. Talking is an important part of my game (I don't know about the rest of you), so I try to talk to people somewhere where I can have a full conversation without screaming at the top of my lungs for 5 minutes per set. Another option would be to just do social circle and day game instead. No one says you have to p…
/r/seduction16/10/10 05:56 PM
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The voiceover on this video is FUCKING EPIC WIN!!!
/r/seduction16/10/10 04:13 AM
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I would respectfully disagree. Mystery Method is the foundation upon the entire industry is built. The "stages" that he describes were crucial in helping me understand the waypoints in a seduction, and how each component plays a role in getting a girl to lower her resistance. As to your other question, I'd admit to having spent over a year as a Keyboard Jockey, trying to understand as much as I can before heading out to the field. In addition to Mystery's M3 model, I have studied David DeAngelo,…
/r/seduction15/10/10 01:25 AM
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"First learn walk, then learn fly. Nature's rules, not mine." - Mr Miyagi
/r/seduction14/10/10 08:07 AM
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Every single person, no matter who they are, have amazingly attractive qualities, they just do not know how to express them. It took me a very long time to figure that out. I'll probably elaborate on this further soon. Thanks for your post! I like the way your discussions are going, and your experiences are similar to mine except that once I dropped the "gamey stuff" and rapid fire routines I have not fully replaced that void. Sure, I have some topics that I bring up, some lines (or "sound bytes…
/r/seduction14/10/10 01:03 AM
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Someone you just met? Buy a drink or two and expect nothing in return. That alone will make you stand out as a gentleman. Or it will result in you being a few dollars poorer with nothing to show for it. She's got money, she can buy her own drinks like everyone else. If the girl in question is a friend of mine, then I have no qualms about buying drinks, food or whatever. I do the same for the guys too so it really is no big deal to me. That's the litmus test... if a girl you're interested in asks…
/r/seduction13/10/10 02:34 PM
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However there is an upside to all of this. I changed, I got in touch with my awesome side, and I am reaping the rewards. All because I am honest with myself, honest with the girls I meet, which leads to honest (and awesome) interactions. Could you elaborate on what you mean by "got in touch with your awesome side"? What is the difference between then and now in more detail? Aside from honesty in your conversations, what do you do differently? I am sincerely curious as to what you switched your g…
/r/seduction13/10/10 02:27 PM
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As much as I dislike canned material, the Mystery Method Model is excellent for understanding the stages of a pick up. It looks to me like some step was skipped in your attempt. Did you qualify? If you did not let her know the reason you are attracted to her, then in her opinion you may just be a horny guy. Even if she let you make out with her, it does not mean anything more to that in a club I'm guessing. Did you build comfort? Resistance is usually put up because of she thinks she would be se…
/r/seduction13/10/10 02:22 PM
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It hurts to read this thread... reminds me of what I could've ended up if not for PUA.
/r/seduction12/10/10 05:09 AM
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OTOH, you could always get out of the car before you meet her. Whether you chauffeur her in is probably something you should decide on though - wouldn't want to seem too keen. I'm with you on being a petrol head and this is what I do. I usually come out for a smoke while waiting for her so I can initiate kino right off the bat.
/r/seduction12/10/10 12:16 AM
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We kissed a bit more, she left. We hung out again, I helped her paint and we ended up watching a movie, her falling asleep, and then waking up and we had a great conversation about relationships, etc. If you're already kissing her, it's a matter of getting over her resistance and escalating physically. You're focusing too much on the conversation and what she says she wants. If you can't isolate and escalate further (due to either a lack of opportunity, logistics or skill), then by all means bai…
/r/seduction11/10/10 08:39 AM
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Much as we wish it weren't so, walking up to a target and saying (for example) "I'd like to sleep with you" is unlikely to be successful, regardless of your confidence level. I'm here to burst your bubble: Look up the Apocalypse Opener. But to the rest of your post on the mechanics of pick-up and openers, The most important thing is grounding; you have to give a context as to why you're talking to her and it has to be believable.
/r/seduction11/10/10 01:27 AM
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At 19? You've got a long life ahead of you, and I'm glad you took action early. Stick by your goals and congratulations!
/r/seduction11/10/10 01:24 AM
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I'd agree that you'd have to stick out, but the downside of "fun" conversations is that you do not connect with the girl. If you do not build comfort, your follow up with them is flaky from my experience. What has worked for me in the past is to find a common ground, and make arrangements to an activity together. Like ice-skating or watching foreign films or whatever else you may be interested in. Building attraction on those day-2's is a lot easier than trying to cram everything into one short …
/r/seduction11/10/10 01:21 AM
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The thing about speed dating is that the opening is done for you. She expects to have to have a conversation with you during the evening. This takes away a lot of approach anxiety. The question then is how you build attraction, hook and close in your limited allotment of time with a girl. The other issue you would have to consider is whether to build rapport (comfort) or demonstrate value. Whether you should talk more or let her talk more. It's a delicate balance between the two, and I have not …
/r/seduction09/10/10 04:49 PM
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Actually, we're the subreddit that just happened to get the following from those interested in the Seduction Community. r/PUA unfortunately didn't catch on, and I am unaware if there are any more subreddits for our particular interest around.
/r/seduction09/10/10 04:37 PM
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I verify the link works.
/r/seduction08/10/10 05:20 AM
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He's my hero too! When I grow up, I wanna be just like ThrowawayPUA!
/r/seduction05/10/10 05:59 AM
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Doesn't have to be done logically. You're just pointing out your disappointment that she didn't see past other people's opinions, and the connection between the both of you is gone.
/r/seduction05/10/10 05:20 AM
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I'll agree with mechanate's view, however I don't think ignoring it is the way to go. She's put up resistance that needs to be broken down. Just point out the good (non-sexual) things that happened between the both of you: the conversations, the jokes or adventures you both shared and mention how that is important to you. Then tell her you're disappointed that she thinks it's all a ploy and be prepared to walk away. Throw the ball in her court.
/r/seduction05/10/10 03:38 AM
1

In short, just take everything you've learned and throw it out the window.
/r/seduction05/10/10 03:00 AM
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And I would say you are entitled to your opinion. I'm sharing what has worked for me. I personally prefer an indirect approach, and context helps to break the ice. I can steer conversations from there. Going up to total strangers and striking up conversations may work for some people, but it is also extremely difficult to do. If you have mastered that skill, then you are ahead of me in that area at least. takes off hat to you
/r/seduction05/10/10 02:38 AM
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A frame is basically the context to your words and actions. It's more than just "being in character", it is the why and the how together. In the "not creepy" example, the frame would be "I'm a college guy in your class, coming up to say hi". Your choice of words, actions, and topics of conversation would initially display that frame.
/r/seduction05/10/10 02:35 AM
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The reason I'm saying the last one is the least creepy is because it shows context. You're not using that line on every girl. You actually know where you saw her, noticed her, and want to say hi. It has to be genuine, and you have to be able it to hold that frame (especially if you're faking it).
/r/seduction04/10/10 01:58 PM
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It could be creepy, just depends on the context. Very creepy: "Hi, have I seen you before?" Moderate creepy: "Hi, you go to X school right?" Less creepy: "Hi, you go to X school and are in Y course right?" Not creepy: "Hi, I saw you in Professor Z's course, just wanted to come up to you and say hi. I'm (legallyunderage)." And then launch into a conversation from there.
/r/seduction04/10/10 07:24 AM
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Celibate troll is celibate.
/r/seduction04/10/10 05:50 AM
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She says she wants you and you say nope? There's a time for game and routines, but when a girl expresses an interest to fuck, why in the name of Mystery, Savoy and Juggler would you turn her down? If sex isn't your goal, say so plainly and LJBF her. If it is, you had your chance and missed it.
/r/seduction04/10/10 05:48 AM
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Try Robert Greene's Art of Seduction. He covers the archetypes of seducers pretty well, and one chapter is dedicated to Charismatics. As he explains it: Charisma is a presence that excites us. It comes from an inner quality—self-confidence, sexual energy, sense of purpose, contentment— that most people lack and want. This quality radiates outward, permeating the gestures of Charismatics, making them seem extraordinary and superior, and making us imagine there is more to them than meets the eye: …
/r/seduction04/10/10 05:22 AM
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It's a conversation. That means there is more than 1 person talking, so let the other person talk. Usually after a "LOL" message there will be a follow up. Wait a little while, see if anything comes up. If the other party says something, go with it. If not, it's a hint that you may need more rapport or it may be a bad time for the other party (she may have something else more pressing).
/r/seduction04/10/10 05:07 AM
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Or she could be a tease and is only keeping the OP around as an orbiter. My guess is that the OP needs to amp up the teasing and attraction, before trying again for the kiss.
/r/seduction29/09/10 02:18 AM
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I'm surprised that this hasn't been said in six hours since the post went up: KINO! As a female, break the kino barrier first. Not all men are comfortable with touching a girl. If you touch them, it gives the signal that it's alright. It also leaves a huge impact if you just gently touch their arm when greeting or parting, even if that is the only kino you do. And if you like the guy, by all means escalate. Unless you jump on his dick or plaster your face to his, he'll still think he's seducing …
/r/seduction28/09/10 01:42 AM
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I still have times when I have difficulty finding the zone, however I'm the complete opposite of you. I am at my best when I am in a familiar place, whether it's my favorite cafe or a club where I know all the bouncers & DJs. Find whatever works for you, but the most important thing is that you're comfortable there.
/r/seduction27/09/10 09:04 AM
2

I approve of this thread. Talk nerdy to me.
/r/seduction27/09/10 04:03 AM
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Funny how this topic pops up so many times. It's been covered before, and there are a few good ones... one of my favorites goes like this: HB: I have a boyfriend PUA: Cool, want another one? ** Mini FR** Last weekend, I was talking to a set and one of the topic was about how I had a harem that night (surrounded by a bunch of women). One of the girls quipped that she had a boyfriend, to which I snapped the response "cool, how many?" (I did this again on another girl in the same group just seconds…
/r/seduction27/09/10 03:53 AM
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A well written, well thought out resume should do the qualifying for you. A good headhunter to push your candidacy goes a long way. With those, and a decent job history, you should be able to go into an interview pre-qualified. You may have to requalify yourself in the interview, by then the interviewer should already see the value you bring and qualify the company to you. Take your time to ask the right questions (it helps if you have experience on the other side of the interview table). Once t…
/r/seduction27/09/10 03:44 AM
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7 Up(votes) I couldn't resist the pun, and always appreciate reading your FRs. Go for it!
/r/seduction17/09/10 09:07 AM
2

David D has a course on this. "Meeting Women Online"
/r/seduction16/09/10 04:55 AM
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"The Art of Seduction" is not a guidebook. There are no instructions or detailed how-to sections. What it is good for, is to understand the different Archetypes of seduction, and what makes each type work. It is an extremely strategic piece, that is good for working on your identity and frame. However, if you're looking for more practical advise, go with RSD or David DeAngelo. They don't give routines as much as Mystery does, but they are a lot better structured than Greene.
/r/seduction15/09/10 09:25 AM
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Good timing on this, RedPoleQ just released a MP3 on the subject of Game in Japan. You might find this relevant.
/r/seduction11/09/10 12:17 PM
2

"Try to position yourself between their butt cheeks"? Sounds like a theory I can get behind.
/r/seduction10/09/10 03:42 AM
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Working on my inner game. Stuff like your openers, routines, and "techniques" can be easily learned. Inner game is the glue that holds it together. It gives you congruence, so that when you tell a story, crack a joke, make a move, or do anything it will carry a touch of your personality.
/r/seduction09/09/10 06:54 AM
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Reminded me of an undead only guild on my Warcraft server... <<Dead girls can't say no>>
/r/seduction04/09/10 05:40 PM
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If there's one thing I learned in this community is that there's no sure way to know if they're into you or not. IOIs, mixed signals, even the fact they get into your bed is not a sure indication that they're into you. If you want to develop it further, do it. Either you succeed or you get friendzoned, mope about it, develop one-itis, then come back for help to get on with your dating life. :P
/r/seduction03/09/10 02:26 AM
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Yeah, I think that's a better way of phrasing it. Thanks!
/r/seduction01/09/10 03:27 AM
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Women say that they want this or that because those things are associated with power, masculinity, or other attractive traits in their mind. Someone with workboots and workpants may come across as having muscles and be physically strong in their mind. Same thing with police uniforms and authority. That's the same reason why most males fantasize about girls in a catholic schoolgirl outfit. There's no point trying to pull off a look if it's incongruent with your own style and identity. If you're a…
/r/seduction31/08/10 05:34 AM
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Tease: Someone who acts like she wants to screw someone, but doesn't. Slut: Someone who acts like she wants to screw someone, and does. BONUS! Bitch: Someone who acts like she wants to screw you, and does somebody else. Edit: I like slack31337's definition better.
/r/seduction31/08/10 04:19 AM
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Cooking. I was fortunate enough that one of my close friends is a gourmet chef and I got to hang around his kitchen before he moved to another country. It is also an excellent creative outlet for me, as my job (and personality) is otherwise highly technical. It's a great topic to discuss with girls, and a huge DHV when you know how to whip up a good meal and how to serve not only appetizing but also visually appealing food. Learn how to mix your spices, fruits, sauces, and the basics of preparin…
/r/seduction25/08/10 04:01 AM
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The problem with texting, SMSing, IMing and such is that these methods do not convey tonality, facial expression or body language. It's easy for messages to be taken out of context, and for sarcasm or playful jibes to be lost on people. All part of the game, just take it as you were blown off and go to the next.
/r/seduction25/08/10 01:52 AM
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I usually tell them that their bag doesn't match my dress and shoes.
/r/seduction23/08/10 03:38 AM
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Your question is genuine, and the downvote undeserved. Seddit may not be the place to help you though, we are mainly focused on males seducing females here. Unfortunately that is a totally different skillset from what you are looking for. Why don't you try asking in 2XC or Relationship Advice? Alternatively, if you would like to post your question and ask for a male opinion (as cliché as that might sound...) go ahead.
/r/seduction17/08/10 09:16 AM
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Which is a perfect time to hang out with them and their friends. Social circle game, anyone? It cuts the bullshit of cold approaching, and is a much better game to play.
/r/seduction17/08/10 03:50 AM
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I disagree with a real life lair. Everyone has a different agenda for learning the Pick-up Arts, and people are at different levels. Find a few people, or Wings, to develop and grow with and they will be more valuable to you than going out to a club with a whole bunch of people from a lair. Having a close Wing understand your style, your frame and watch you in action, you will get better feedback compared to watching 10 to 50 PUAs of varying expertise go to a club and try to score.
/r/seduction17/08/10 03:05 AM
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Never heard of it, but why don't you go post as a male and see the results you get? Then come and give us a FR.
/r/seduction13/08/10 03:34 AM
2

Fucking kangaroos is a tricky thing...you have to catch them in mid jump so their ladyparts are at the right angle. It helps if you have strong leg muscles, or are on a pogo stick.
/r/seduction12/08/10 02:51 AM
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Only way to find out is to put it to use. If you've got the material it probably means you have thus far not been very successful with women. How much worse could you get? I can say it works, but more importantly it opened my eyes to how social interactions work. It made me more aware of body language, it made me more aware of the differences in how males and females communicate. I made me realize how important it is to kino (touch) to emphasize my points as I talk. That is more value than repea…
/r/seduction11/08/10 09:28 AM
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Hey Synroc, read the article I posted on the Apocalypse. It works best on girls alone as they will not be judged by their friends or peers.
/r/seduction06/08/10 05:41 PM
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Well have an upvote for having the stones to try it anyway! Let us know how it works out for you in the club.
/r/seduction06/08/10 05:34 PM
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Also on the topic of direct game, I read or watched an experiment somewhere where a guy goes up to women and asks "wanna fuck?" The result was 30+ slaps and/or rejections before 1 said "okay, let's go". I can't find the clip or recall where I saw it otherwise I'd post it.
/r/seduction06/08/10 12:19 PM
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And also, get her help. A female wingman, aka Pivot or Wingwoman, is priceless! They open sets for you much easier, and give you more value as you're seen with a hot girl.
/r/seduction06/08/10 07:31 AM
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The more direct you go, I've found that the better you have to hold your frame. Case in point: The Apocalypse Opener. And before someone asks, no I did not come up with it and it is not my preferred method.
/r/seduction06/08/10 07:28 AM
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http://www.fastseduction.com/ http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/fswiki.cgi It's not on Reddit, but there already is such a resource out there. No point reinventing the wheel.
/r/seduction04/08/10 05:35 AM
1

The question is not "how do I pimp this ride?", it is "how much do I want to spend to pimp this ride?". Off the top of my head, I could probably imagine you going Japanese VIP style with a minivan. Spray it black with chrome rims, drop your suspension, get the darkest tint, and install luxury cushions, a kick ass entertainment system, and other doodads.
/r/seduction03/08/10 02:43 AM
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Here are my tips: Have a wide selection of music. Keep a pillow (and nothing else) in the back seat. Keep a few bottles of mineral water handy. Have a box of kleenex stashed somewhere. Makes it more welcoming place to cuddle and ease into the seduction. Protip: The rubber in condoms degrade in heat, so don't leave any in your car.
/r/seduction02/08/10 11:47 AM
2

TIL the meaning of Eponysterical. :)
/r/seduction02/08/10 03:04 AM
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It probably is empowering, if they notice it. Most men, myself included, don't.
/r/seduction02/08/10 02:27 AM
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Woah, you're right... this FR is pretty Epic. I was watching Randy Pausch's talks (there're two of them on the net at least), and your message about "living each day for today" reinforced that message.
/r/seduction02/08/10 02:24 AM
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And I guess the point is that just because someone seems like an expert does not mean that they are actually an expert. I disagree. Experts are experts not because they never fail. They are experts simply because they have more knowledge and experience. Even with mPUAs and Seduction Gurus, there will be people who are unavailable to them (married, lesbian, or simply unavailable). There will also be people who will not like their personality; you can't get along with everybody. What you should be…
/r/seduction28/07/10 03:34 AM
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Only if you invite 3 & 4 to watch.
/r/seduction28/07/10 03:30 AM
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Awesome! When I hit my 50's I hope to still pull 20 somethings and 30 somethings. You sir, are an inspiration to us all.
/r/seduction23/07/10 01:39 PM
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Why you little whippersnapper! Get off of my lawn! No seriously, you would not think I'm elderly if you met me. Remember: You're only as young as the women you feel. :)
/r/seduction23/07/10 08:02 AM
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I believe that with any kind of advice, the onus is upon us to understand where they are coming from and the context of the advice. Whether we have male or female opinions, it's about asking the right questions to get the answers that will best help ourselves. If female advice fucked up your chances before, it wasn't the fault of the girl that gave you advice; it was your understanding of that piece of advice. Now that most of us here are aware of the concept of game, we should apply those teach…
/r/seduction23/07/10 02:37 AM
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she's asking me to take her to bed, obviously I can't, so I say soon. Good. Don't bend over backwards for her. Don't address her anger or her tantrums, if it's unwarranted. If she's asked you to take her home, you're obviously doing something right. Keep doing it, and don't miss the chance the 2nd time it comes up.
/r/seduction22/07/10 07:23 AM
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First of all, if you think she's out of your league she probably is. You don't deserve her. Secondly, how you game a "hard 9" is the same as you would game anyone else. Show value, intrigue her, engage her emotionally etc.. and of course Kino escalate. If you don't know all this, then any answer here probably won't be of any help to you... sorry buddy. There's no quick fix for seduction... work on it slowly and make the changes stick.
/r/seduction22/07/10 07:18 AM
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Let's hear a better alternative then? Or are you just driving by with an argument... oh wait....
/r/seduction22/07/10 04:46 AM
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it's more of me trying to become the man I know I can be I know exactly what you mean. I was an introvert, and still am an introvert. I attended a workshop by The Asian Rake, and what he shared with the participants really helped me along in finding the Man I wanted to become. This little titbit was handed out during the workshop and I have not found any reference to it online (if anyone knows what I'm talking about and wants to post a link go ahead): Basically, the Rake explained that we should…
/r/seduction21/07/10 05:51 AM
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• Always be in the moment. Say things relevant to the current situation, and do things spontaneously. Planning, recalling information, talking about your past self and bringing up old conversation topics are all indicators of thinking hard—a low status move. This doesn’t mean you should always be living in the moment, that’s being too indifferent. Like everything else, make sure you make approximately 4 spontaneous behaviors for every planned behavior. Any more detail on this would be much appre…
/r/seduction15/07/10 06:10 AM
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If you have an attractive frame, and an interesting life you will draw people to you no matter what you do. The challenge then would be separating work from play. PUA is about social skills, not just getting laid. The concept of value, status, and building comfort and connections can be used as easily in the boardroom as the bedroom. Question is: do you really want or need the potential drama of having a jealous landlady or room mate? That being said, social gatherings and meetings are much easi…
/r/seduction15/07/10 03:12 AM
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There's no shame in spending time reading and more importantly understanding what you read. Being a keyboard jockey (KJ) while you figure this stuff out may not necessarily be a bad thing; the reason why people condemn keyboard jockeying is because they only stay in theory mode. I spent a year as a KJ to understand the differences in styles of the different systems, find the similarities and then figure out how that works into my identity and personality. Granted, I could wear a funny hat, spew …
/r/seduction15/07/10 02:52 AM
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Or better yet, show her those apps from your iPhone.
/r/seduction14/07/10 06:20 AM
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I love this response! Got a laugh out of me, I can only imagine what women will say. :)
/r/seduction14/07/10 06:17 AM
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I'll agree with this except without the authoritarian approach. With the demands of my career, I cannot afford to waste time on flakes. Having her make it up to you is one thing, but there isn't a point if she is not sincere about making amends. Not managing her time and schedule means that she won't be able to around manage mine, and that's a sign that the relationship is heading south even before it starts. From the OP's post, she sounds like a cool girl that canceled once. I'd be willing to g…
/r/seduction09/07/10 05:36 AM
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Remembering too many details about past conversations is trying too hard. Remembering a few select details shows that she left some impression on you, and is a good launching point into another interaction.
/r/seduction30/06/10 08:30 AM
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Note that you will need no seals to perform this so you will have a free hand the whole time: you can use it for kino. Thanks! I lol'ed so hard my chakra came out of my nose.
/r/seduction28/06/10 09:29 AM
2

Try getting the "K-lite Codec Pack" (Google it). It's the first thing I download when I'm on a new system so I can watch videos.
/r/seduction28/06/10 03:15 AM
4

In short, "fake it till you make it"?
/r/seduction24/06/10 03:29 AM
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In my experience, there are some people that are resistant to change no matter what other people demonstrate is possible. IMHO, PUA works for people who are genuinely in need for a change, recognize it, and are willing to put in the effort to understand. The last part for me was the hardest, and I believe it is the same for many others. For me, it involved reading, watching videos, and actually thinking about and understanding the underlying messages. And then testing it in the field. It is not …
/r/seduction22/06/10 08:33 AM
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David D is great for getting a taste of a lot of different ideas and topics, but by no means should you take his advice. If you learn about a particular topic from him, do your own research on it, get into it further, before you decide yes this is the way to be. This applies to all points of view. In my Keyboard Jockey days before I stepped out as a PUA, I was revewing and cross checking all the material I came across to understand what they were saying. Spending all that time reading and unders…
/r/seduction14/06/10 05:58 AM
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Since learning that myself, I now delay the number close. Try to bring the girls into your group or just carry on the conversation with them. When they are interested and more invested in the conversation (or your social circle), numbers will be exchanged naturally.
/r/seduction14/06/10 02:24 AM
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And they also accelerate your hair-loss if you use them too often. Try switching to a more appropriate shampoo for your scalp and pick up a few haircare products. I've been losing hair since I've hit 30, and looking at my dad, I've got another 10 years before I need a comb-over (or have to go bald).
/r/seduction08/06/10 02:23 AM
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Seems that the INTJ personality type is more common on seddit than the norm. I'm a borderline I/E, but have the NTJ part down as well.
/r/seduction08/06/10 02:19 AM
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I'm Spartacus!
/r/seduction06/06/10 05:51 AM
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Agreed. I'm the one with the dick, I carry the condoms. It's not guaranteed that any girl will keep condoms at her place, and at the very least I know it's my preferred brand and model.
/r/seduction02/06/10 04:26 AM
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And the other half would be made up of red lasers and blue lasers? :P Thanks for posting this, I saw it and wanted to share it with Seddit but you beat me to it by a day. :)
/r/seduction31/05/10 02:57 AM
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"What's your sign, baby?" is a bad pickup line. If you know numerology, you could start off with a cold read based on her name. "So when's your birthday?" is a good way to transition and talk about astrology after that. It's worked for me, even outside of wiccan conventions. Of course you have to have a genuine interest in astrology, and at least understand a fair bit of it. If you're just winging it, then you're probably best restricting your use of it to wiccan conventions.
/r/seduction28/05/10 06:06 PM
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Usually works best after I've done some palm reading (I actually learned a very little bit of this from books I bought in Hong Kong). I just go into it with minimal leading in, when there's a lull in the conversation. It's not so much something I steer the direction of the conversation in. I've seen my wing use it in a group as well, again in the "comfort" phase of the interaction. He threw the scenario out there, and solicited answers from both guys and girls... did a little teasing with the gi…
/r/seduction28/05/10 06:04 PM
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Chick crack is a catch-all term for stuff that gets girls to buy in to conversations: Astrology Palm Reading Numerology Kokology (go Google this if you don't know what it is) Cold readings of any sort It works well as a transition from opening to something else, and if your set buys in, it's easy to get into a real conversation from there.
/r/seduction28/05/10 02:15 AM
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You're already deep into the friend zone. And I'll bet he'll stay there. This looks like a severe case of one-itis.
/r/seduction26/05/10 09:08 AM
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I was just gonna ignore his comment as he seemed troll-ish, but thanks for backing me up. Elana's paper (it's a pdf link) covers her short journey through the land of PUAs, it's an interesting read from an outsider sociologist's standpoint. I was an academic (worked 4 years in research) once, so I appreciate the time and effort she put into her paper. Her brother (Passion in the community) is a PUA that she saw turn his life around, and also was Elana's stepping stone into the community.
/r/seduction24/05/10 09:50 AM
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(if you don't see what I did there, well, then that's unfortunate) /golfclap
/r/seduction24/05/10 05:30 AM
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On the assumption you're not a troll, I've no idea where you get the idea that they teach "unemployed losers" to "get a better life by lying". I've read most of the Pickup literature, and met a fair number (I'd say more than 50) people that would call themselves PUAs. Aside from the students, I have never met anyone I would call an "unemployed loser". Sure, they come from all walks of life and socio-economic backgrounds but the one thing they had in common was a desire to better themselves. I'd …
/r/seduction24/05/10 02:53 AM
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Sheriff, thanks for this AMA. I've seen Bootcamp instructors here before, but I always appreciate the insight, the chance to ask questions, and an alternate view on issues the community is facing. Most of them are fairly single-minded about getting laid when they go out for fun. For me, the night ends when I'm tired, whether or not I get laid, because I enjoy SLEEP. This is my main pet peeve when it comes out to sarging with other PUAs. They keep pushing for guys to open, and I got really pissed…
/r/seduction24/05/10 02:32 AM
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I've been wondering the same thing, but I suppose it's a matter of frame? I'd love to hear the expert opinion on this. Have you karma back! (Someone else downvoted you to 0.)
/r/seduction24/05/10 02:19 AM
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Different approaches for different folks. As long as you get out in the field and put the knowledge to use, that's a success. It doesn't matter (to me at least) how many sets a PUA opens, or how many lays he's got. As long as there is self-improvement, I think that's an achievement. I remember the first time I opened a set it started a downward spiral as I got my confidence shaken bit by bit as I got blown out of sets. I would have given up and thrown in the towel if it wasn't for the encouragem…
/r/seduction21/05/10 07:18 PM
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Yup, that's a very good approach to take. Build your social circle, and remember that at the end of the day it is real people you're dealing with; the people you open are not just HB(Insert Number Here) or Cockblocks and AMOG-fodder.
/r/seduction21/05/10 07:12 PM
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Yeah well you're definitely right, but I'm still a geek at heart and appreciate more information. A lot of systems using the M3 model in different guises, but somehow the Venusian Arts Book helped me to understand it best. The whole book was really about the M3 model, and each of the phases. Doesn't help much in the field, but I found it a cornerstone for my game.
/r/seduction21/05/10 08:58 AM
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It's your call. She said she has a boyfriend, but she gave you her number anyway. I wouldn't drop her totally, but I would respect her relationship. You can still be friends, and hang out with her (as friends). There's lots to be said about social proof and having good looking, interesting friends around you when you're out. I'd even invite her boyfriend along in a group. Alternatively, if you're both cool with it you can try and seduce her anyway.
/r/seduction21/05/10 08:04 AM
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The M3 model still has its place. The idea of attracting/qualifying, building comfort, and then seducing is a good framework to work with. While the model itself may seem rigid and not a good representation of what actually happens in field, I have found that it's a good marker on where my interactions are going. The books you recommended are excellent books in itself, but the whole Pickup framework works best (for me at least) when you get a clearer picture. The M3 model is the skeleton, and th…
/r/seduction21/05/10 07:59 AM
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Ahh, the sitcom spinoffs that situation could result in are endless!
/r/seduction19/05/10 04:18 AM
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I don't think there's a legal readily available pill you can take to solve this unfortunately. I'm curious as to what the illegal options are then. :P Seriously though, don't do drugs. Just busy yourself with other stuff and you'll get back in the groove eventually.
/r/seduction19/05/10 04:15 AM
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I'd suggest you look up the book "How to become an Alpha Male" by John Alexander. Rather than figuring out which behaviors are Alpha or Beta, just develop some Alpha characteristics and habits. You'll find yourself slowly moving away from being submissive and approval seeking. This process will take some time, so take it at your own pace and don't be too hard on yourself if you slip up every now and then. This is an excerpt from the book "How to Become an Alpha Male" by John Alexander (page 25):…
/r/seduction14/05/10 02:04 AM
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I used to accept that I would take about 5 dates before I get laid (to build comfort, attraction and what not), and timed it as such. If you're not in a relationship (or your conscience doesn't get in the way) I don't see the problem of fucking someone else while you wait for the current chick to open up. On that note, I have just foregone sex with a girl, and dropped her, because I waited too long. I believe that somewhere, someday I'll find a girl that's just as sexual as I am, and with all th…
/r/seduction29/04/10 02:22 AM
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Oh, and don't try to make him jealous. That will ruin it for you. I don't know a PUA who will tolerate a girl trying to make him jealous. I wouldn't.. that just gets you dropped. So would the reverse be true? I've heard differing views on this. I'd love to hear your take on "jealousy plotlines".
/r/seduction28/04/10 06:04 AM
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I find the Archetypes are extremely useful for understanding my own style of seduction, and what makes each type attractive to certain Once you get that, you can branch out on how to improve your game. It's not practical knowledge, but it is a good high level strategic guide on seduction. Not a necessary read, but it helped me when I was people. Once you get that, you can branch out on how to improve your game. It's not practical knowledge, but it is a good high level strategic guide on seductio…
/r/seduction26/04/10 03:55 AM
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There are a few things to note when talking to a shy girl... Talk about a subject that actually interests her. It helps if you are widely read, experienced in the world or have a genuine interest in whatever it may be. Ask the right questions. Go beyond the facts, and get to the emotion of the questions. If she likes reading, don't just stop at her favorite books or authors... ask what she likes about a certain genre. The 2nd point is what allowed me to most of the sets I open. It may take a whi…
/r/seduction22/04/10 05:12 AM
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If he doesn't try, you make the move. There's a saying in the Seduction community that guys should push till we "make the 'ho say no". In this case, flip it over and escalate till he tells you in no uncertain terms that he's not interested. Here are some tips for you: Sleep naked (or in your underwear at least) Cuddle Initiate kino (touch him in non sexual ways) Have condoms ready, in case he's a dumbass and didn't plan to get laid If all else fails, you're female. Getting laid shouldn't be that…
/r/seduction16/04/10 03:57 AM
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You definitely want to take the opportunity to check out the asset in question. It's obviously an invitation to do so. So, ask her to spin around if it's her ass she's talking about, or if she's in your lap and talking about her breasts, you reach for one. LOL, well said. A line that has worked for me before is "I can't tell when you're in that dress".
/r/seduction14/04/10 06:45 AM
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Most of my game is geared for Social Circle, and I've almost given up cold approaching totally. Work is not a place I'd recommend; there's enough written about office romances and "getting your meat where you get your bread". Interest groups/clubs - Join meetup.com or check your local forums. The benefit of this is that no matter who you meet, there will be a reason for you to talk to him/her. You will also share at least one thing in common which will make rapport building easier. Friend of fri…
/r/seduction13/04/10 05:28 AM
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I'd admit that a lot of these pieces of advice come across colored by the chauvinistic frame of the writers, but it does not diminish the effectiveness of the advice. Eye contact is a powerful thing, and it fits any successful frame/identity.
/r/seduction05/04/10 07:28 AM
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Usually I joke that I am actually a virgin with a huge grin on my face so they can tell Im kidding around. Hey! I use that line too! I usually follow up with an even bigger lie after that to give them an idea I'm joking.
/r/seduction31/03/10 07:45 AM
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I started out wanting lots of chicks now I just want a really quality one to settle down with. That's a good problem to have. I started out wanting to find the "perfect ten". Many (unsuccessful) relationships later, I'm not so sure what my goals are with women anymore. In the meanwhile, I'm happy to use whatever game I have to get myself a leg up in the corporate world.The ability to project confidence in the boardroom, and to build rapport with management is priceless.
/r/seduction25/03/10 02:56 PM
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Takes hat off Well done sir, well done! Wish I could say the same. I'd buy you a beer if I ever met you.
/r/seduction25/03/10 02:51 PM
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The few times I've tried to setup a moment where I could slow things down it seems like she tries to get out of the situation as fast as she can. If she does that, she's just not comfortable or attracted to you enough to let you seduce her. It seems like you're in her frame, she's not in yours. You need to control the interaction, the kino escalation, and the seduction. I'd say she's just stringing you along, and you should move on. Come back and game this girl later on if you feel like it, but …
/r/seduction25/03/10 08:10 AM
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Yeah, peacock the alien!
/r/seduction25/03/10 06:39 AM
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If your game is good enough (or your life was a porno), I'd say this is a good start to a three way. LOL Seriously though, I watched something about situations like this on "The Men's Room" (Google it). Frank B. Kermit is the interview you're looking for. The idea is to bring both of them out together, and let the jealousy build. A word of caution though, your game needs to be rock solid. I asked 2 girls out once, and blew it with both of them.
/r/seduction24/03/10 01:26 AM
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I'll third Double your Dating. If you don't want to get into all the acronyms, Double your Dating is a "light" read compared to the rest. I started with that book pretty much. The downside is that DeAngelo doesn't cover the stages as well as Mystery Method or Magic Bullets. A good 2nd read would be "How to become an Alpha Male". I believe that's by John Alexander. That book gives you a good idea of the concepts that every PUA uses to approach, build rapport, and seduce women. IMO, every system, …
/r/seduction24/03/10 01:16 AM
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Platforms. I believe Style wore them and if anyone asked he used to retort "they gave me access to this much more woman". Alternatively, you could learn to game better, develop self confidence, and realize that as long as you're well groomed and come across as having attractive characteristics height is not really an issue.
/r/seduction22/03/10 08:02 AM
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I like the fact that this guy has flunkies.
/r/seduction20/03/10 05:06 PM
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It's (usually too much) food that makes the girls go round.
/r/seduction19/03/10 03:41 AM
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money makes the girls go DOWN FTFY
/r/seduction19/03/10 03:39 AM
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Nope, you just have to realize that you have value. Then figure out how you can BRING VALUE to people's lives. If you can bring value to a girl, she would want to hang out with you. It's up to you to take it from there.
/r/seduction19/03/10 02:55 AM
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People with good taste (now that I'm older). Funnily enough, there are older guys who have problems with younger women as seen here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/b9f30/anyone_know_resources_for_an_older_guy_to_pick_up/
/r/seduction12/03/10 08:22 AM
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Well, CONGRATS! If she's hanging out with you this much you're well on your way. One thing I learned on my journey is that just because you don't fuck the girls you meet on the first date does not mean you've screwed up. People are different, with different approaches. Even the "Master" PUAs don't get every girl every time. The PUA path is a journey, and as long as you're both enjoying your dates, it's a win for both of you. On a more personal level, any developments you make I can see are congr…
/r/seduction11/03/10 05:42 AM
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David DeAngelo has a program on online dating if you're interested. There are also some guides on online and IM game floating around the Internet if you dig around enough.
/r/seduction10/03/10 01:21 AM
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Thanks for the recommendation, I've never heard of "Bang" before. Will check it out and add it to my collection.
/r/seduction09/03/10 06:41 AM
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Nothing wrong with learning self confidence, sorting your values, building good voice, tonality and body language. Being sociable does not equate delinquency. If he gets laid in the process that's his "problem", IMO. Being alpha and confident is a habit best developed young, and the longer you wait the harder it becomes as beta male "nice guy" behavior sets in. Trust me, I was 30 before I learned any of this stuff and it took me a long time to get over my ingrained beta programming.
/r/seduction09/03/10 03:19 AM
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I do feel kind of stuck, like I'm looking for one more thing before I 'get out there'. Mostly I stick with my group of 5-8 guys, so I don't meet many new girls (smallish school too) and don't want to fuck up. Start putting into practice what you know. It's the little steps you take that will eventually pay off. I started by watching videos, reading and understanding, I took 6 months before I tried some techniques I learned on a date. That was where I started to make sense of the material. The mo…
/r/seduction08/03/10 09:09 AM
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If they're making out already attraction isn't the issue. The fact that she is scared of going back into a relationship would suggest that she needs more comfort. I would do some long term projections, and "get to know each other better". Basically, she wants to know that you won't disappear after the two of you knock it in the hay. You're going to be threading a thin line between a relationship and a hookup if you're not serious about her.
/r/seduction08/03/10 04:56 AM
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There's a post by Steve Pavlia about polyamorous relationships, I think it might be helpful to you. Check it out here: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/01/polyamorous-relationship-qa/
/r/seduction05/03/10 07:00 AM
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There was a podcast about "Dating younger women", I think it's by The Chick Whisperer (X&Y Communications).
/r/seduction05/03/10 06:57 AM
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Thanks! I've been a redditor for some time (without an account), and practicing PUA for almost a year good to have found this subreddit.
/r/seduction05/03/10 03:57 AM
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Only if you believe that being nice and being attractive are mutually exclusive.
/r/seduction05/03/10 02:07 AM
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From what I remember of the Juggler Method is that he focuses more on conversation and escalation. RSD's "natural" program focuses on mindset and frame. Of course there are similarities, and they both tend to avoid routines but I still believe that routines have their place. I mentioned this in another post somewhere that routines are like training wheels, they make your learning experience faster and easier. I'd keep a few on hand for situations where the conversation runs a little dry.
/r/seduction03/03/10 09:16 AM
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These are gimmicks and you don't need them to game. Having said that, these gimmicks have two very good uses: This acts as a set of "training wheels", and it gives you a routine to run when you have no idea of anything else. You will need to move past this one day, or stagnate. As a "fall back" item. When you run out of things to say, or get caught in a brainfart moment, pull out one of these to push a conversation forward. Game cannot be 100% routine, even at the beginning but having these up y…
/r/seduction25/02/10 08:40 AM
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Let's just hear all of it! I'm a skeptic as well, having read the reviews online means very little to me without real first hand accounts. I'd be more interested to hear about the difference in your results with and without the pheromones.
/r/seduction25/02/10 05:32 AM
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The more I read and experience about life, love and pickup artistry, the more I can't find a bible on women and dating.
/r/seduction25/02/10 02:20 AM
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It sounds to me like you listen to them, but you don't pay close attention to them. People normally have "hook words" or leading topics especially if they are the ones doing most of the talking. If a girl is talking about her classes, there's a whole slew of conversation options that branch out from there. It's all about looking at the seeds. See what catches your fancy, if she talks about literature, history and math for example you could ask about any of these topics. e.g. "So what do you like…
/r/seduction24/02/10 03:20 AM
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Note that IOIs in the workplace may not mean that they are interested in you romantically or sexually. Interactions between departments, and co-workers are all about shifts in power and leveraging to get your objectives. It could very well be that they are standing there giving out perceived IOIs so you could help them with a project, or support them on an agenda in a meeting. Alternatively, "rubbing shoulders" with you might also be a DHV to other colleagues if you are successful in your career…
/r/seduction24/02/10 01:53 AM
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I'd just like to say thanks for sharing this. It's nice to hear the other side of the story. I also appreciate you taking the time to answer the questions, some of the comments are really mind-opening for me.
/r/seduction22/02/10 08:13 AM
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