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Epic grift
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 11:59 PM
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And i was adding that I've never seen a guy give a girl shit as he would when bantering/ball busting with other guys, or to a level where even most people would.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 09:25 PM
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I wasn't responding to you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 09:18 PM
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I don't really get why you guys associate flirting with women/etc with ball busting and banter. Ball busting and banter between guys is wildly different, but something I entirely understand and get, while flirting isn't. Also generally speaking people with aspergers can develop the skill over a lot of time and with therapy and etc, and it's not really "autists are just bad at it", they just don't usually understand it's even happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 07:55 PM
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I mean if banter is just calling eachother fags and the n word over and over ig. 4chan is pretty nasty imo but that could be just me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 07:54 PM
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I banter with my friends and its mostly fine. My aspergers doesn't prevent me from an inability to be involved in ALL social situations (I can still get sarcasm a decent amount). But in general when dealing with women and flirting, it's not very successful and generally speaking I've had more success just finding the few women that enjoy someone being direct. Its not common, and that's fine. And not everyone that enjoys direct people is a good person to date. Like I said, complaining about peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 06:08 PM
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I view it very differently. Banter and flirting often involve different topics, different relations to the people you're talking to, generally a different level of subtlty, etc etc. I pick up "banter" way better than when someone claims they were flirting. People have different views on this stuff. Esp people with mental disorders like AS
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 05:53 PM
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I can't really have a view on it as someone with aspergers because I rarely ever realize it's even going on. Its not really that people that are aspies have trouble with them, most of them dont even realize these games are happening. They (including me) are pretty bad at subtlty, which is something we CAN pick up on, but to a very limiting degree. Banter and playful conversation are different imo from what that post referred to as childish games, IE flirting/shit tests/etc. I find the former nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 05:49 PM
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If I was seriously attracted to her, then probably yeah. And by that I dont mean "if she's got a pretty face and a nice pussy", just someone who is enjoyable to be around. Considering relationships I've had have either only been about sex, or only been about chilling out and being together basically like friends with a lot of cuddling and tiny amount of sex, it doesn't really bother me much. The latter is generally way more enjoyable, as fucking eventually feels boring after awhile, and spending…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 12:12 AM
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"peak male status is at 36" That ain't it chief
/r/ExRedPill12/04/19 11:51 PM
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I can't really say I agree, but that's just personal experience. It might just be because many of my male friends are very mentally occupied, gay, or ace (mainly the first but there are a lot of the latter 2 here), but I think the idea that men are just horny fucks who would rape if given legal immunity and would fuck every pussy they could is mostly a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 11:21 AM
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Honestly, this post is pretty flawed solely because some of these aren't "female privilege" and have existed for awhile, but I'm honestly really weirded out by all the "WELL, UM, ACTUALLY, THIS CANT HAPPEN BECAUSE MEN ARE ALWAYS THIRSTY AND HORNY AND ALWAYS CAN AND WILL WANT TO FUCK" posts that assume that's a given, which disturbs the hell out of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:07 PM
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Idk if that books gonna be very TRP leaning (or very heavily compatible with TRP people believe) and stoic Philosophy has so far been pretty lackluster imo, but I'll read it. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 12:18 AM
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No, it's not stoicism. It's just generally a common practice that many of them have accepted. Overall I think it's pretty goofy you're comparing the increase in productivity and positive lifestyle choices a supposedly stoicist mindset has given you to the really really odd philosophy purported by TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 12:09 AM
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I mean, online stoicism and the TRP brand of stoicism is pretty trash (tbf most philosphical interpretations by TRP people are ungodly, have you seen that post about Nietzsche? Yuck), but it's fair to say it can bring productiveness. However I only really like "Aureliusian" stoicism, and find most other stoics to be really bad (especially Epictetus). "Aureliusian" stoics are probably the only people I've ever seen that are genuinely MGTOW, in the sense that they are hetero but have essentially t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 12:02 AM
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No. Stoicism is just really bad macho posturing tbh. Hopefully everyone will read Deleuze, Camus, Sartre, and Gramsci though, leading to a truly enlightened society where everyone votes for Jeb! Bush.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:56 PM
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This is literally just a slightly smarter version of the Navy seal copypasta
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:48 PM
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Well obviously I think I'm generally going to be able to handle them better solely because they're not really concerned with me being a naturally emotional disgusting barely-humanoid creature in their eyes. Just with me being blind/arrogant/brainwashed by ebil feminazis!! And I definitely agree, but what I was really trying to focus on is that it is mostly made up of lonely men who are brainwashed into thinking their problems are societies problems, back that up with garbage data, and then deman…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:55 AM
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Yeah I mosrly agree. As a guy I can't conclusively say anything from personal experience that would apply to everyone, but I agree on their studies being mostly BS. They're generally very poorly done, data is analyzed very poorly or blatantly incorrectly, or the very people initiating the study have poor credibility. For the most part though, I do agree, but I usually try to be my nicest to TRP people who aren't "um, ok blue-pilled beta leftist faggot" types and are honestly just confused lonely…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:40 AM
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Would you say beta men could be masculine, or that the traits they show could be masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:08 AM
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Yeah, but I mean I think most RP theory isn't exactly comfortable thinking people contain multitudes and depth, or says that thinking those exist is mostly just BP brainwashing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:05 AM
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That's fair. However some shit tests seem to be purported as more biological responses then something women have total control over, so I guess it doesn't exactly matter what you say, just matters what they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:03 AM
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it just means he's setting the goals Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. I can't agree really that men should be the ones setting the goals, but like I said I'm not critiquing your relationship! I'm just stating personal disagreement. Not saying your relationship is worse or not as well off. Men venting doubt and anxiety to their wives on a regular basis are probably going to annihilate any sexual attraction in the relationship I can't speak for married men, but none of my exes particularly cared…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:02 AM
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Interesting. Would you say most of the science and studies TRP guys cite from weird sources like psychology today are valid, or mostly bs too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:53 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:21 AM
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Showing your SO posts on PPD to debate them is a wack ass power move. Bigger power move to own them in debate is just calling them a libtard soyboy cuck. Or actually debate them if you're a nerd. w/e
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:18 AM
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Thanks for the response. Im interested in what you mentioned about associating developing beta qualities as listed there with growth. Do you think you like your husband "more" now after hes developed them? Would you say its natural and healthy and good for people to shed alpha traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:14 AM
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Thanks for the answer. If you mind going into it, what exactly did he find bad about the concept of shit tests? I don't personally believe in (most) of the, but I'm still curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:12 AM
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I see. I cant necessarily agree that men should be taking on every decision and steering it always, but I think doing what makes you happy and your relationship enjoyable is probably best. I also cant agree that having to do all of that doesn't make men anxious, but generally speaking I think more healthy relationships have that anxiousness vented away or handled by that man's SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:11 AM
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Appreciate the responses to all the questions. Best wishes/bonus points sent
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:06 AM
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I can somewhat relate to that feeling of generally being isolated from your family because of general practices they have/do. I appreciate your answers. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:03 AM
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I speaking as to what ive seen many TRP men say in their subreddit(s). Most of them are really believe in love as a genuine concept outside of evopsych shit. I dont particularly care about the "real theory" if most of the people im seeing disagree but associate with the label. Core concept of what you mentioned doesnt really sound bad, but i have yet to be convinced TRP is actually that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:56 PM
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Alright. What do you mean by passivity though?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:53 PM
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Ngl texas is a very blessed place. I've lost a lot of firsts there, and had lots of fun with family and friends. Thanks for the intense reminiscing of trying bud light with my grandfather as a highschooler.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:53 PM
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I mean, most men dont feel comfortable showing any, and i think generally men probably should be showing most of their soft characteristics to atleast one person in their life, as i think its healthy to not bottle those up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:49 PM
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I see. Would you say the RPW philosophy on men, women, and "healthy relationships" is generally correct, or have you just adopted the position out of love/devotion/support rather than some world-view conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:48 PM
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Would you say that's mostly just because of how you've influenced him, or other factors? Also, what ethnicity is his family if you're comfortable answering. That seems like every Italian family I've ever seen but it could be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:45 PM
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The moment i read "never been the life of the party big drinks beer, smokes weed, watches football, and shoots guns" i got the most intense nostalgia for trips ive taken to texas. Thanks Oh and thanks for the response but the intense texanisms were better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:44 PM
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Interesting. Thank you for your response. Also that part about your husband being soft around you is exactly how my ex used to describe me. I think generally men need to show a soft side around someone or else they either end up very emotionally unstable at times or just very unstable constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:36 PM
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Sure, i dont think the connotation of the n word really stick there. But i think it's still odd when i get a bulgarian woman telling me to avoid Spanish speakers because "they are theifs and robbers". True, is difficult to categorize all of them into one looks style, but there are minor similarities no? It could be said that most of the aggressive and pushy women that fit that bill are simply an exception or the people more likely to go to the US. When i visited Russia it didn't really seem like…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:33 PM
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As a more serious question though, do you particularly care that much that your husband doesnt fit that description? Do you feel like you desire more alpha men ever? Also this is going off of the (dumb) TRP logic that love doesnt factor much into relationships as that is mostly a concept to cover for the (supposed) natural evolutionary desires of the human mind. If those questions come of as rude, i just want to preface (is it sufface because its the opposite of preface?) with that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:22 PM
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Sent. Thenku for response.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:17 PM
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By racism i mean a lot of EEWs make odd comments (my friend is Ukrainian and refers to rap as "black people degeneracy" and refers to blacks universally as "criminals and rapists") about people of other races and generally speaking are very reactionary when it comes to race as a concept and how to view others of other races. High standards is something that I think might just be with EEW women that live in the west, but from what I've seen EEW women either have incredibly low standards for what …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:15 PM
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Eastern Euro women are generally extremely racist in my experience. They also have insanely high standards for men (EEWs.living in the west btw) that far surpass the actual credibility that "normal" hypergamy has for selecting decent male partners efficiently and well (if you can even really argue that hypergamy is a thing but we can just roll with it), are very unneccesarily pushy and aggressive, gossip to an extreme and frankly annoying level, and overall aren't very desirable imo. They're dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:02 PM
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I'm not gonna really comment on the rest of your post, but I'm glad you atleast accepted that there could be a misunderstanding. I'll take the time to read this and analyze it when I can. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:47 PM
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Epic
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:28 PM
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Comedic mocking as in it was actually intended to have a comedic effect, and also actually made fun of something. This wasn't comedic or really even good mocking because all you did was see i said "like" once and repeat it a bunch throughout your response because I guess that's funny and somehow mocking me? I don't really understand how me saying like once translates to "UM, LIKE, LIKE, YOURE A MARXOID LEFTIST FAGGOT LIKE, LIKE". Also, you're just deflecting at this point. Just answer what you'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:21 PM
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Yeah but it's not even comedic. All you did was capitalize on the fact that i said like once and just repeated it a bunch. That's not even comedic mocking. Also, could you at least answer my question instead of insulting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:18 PM
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I don't even get how this was supposed to mock me. Is this something about valley girls? Or liberals all being from California? I don't get this. And id like to know what Marxist theory you've read if you're calling liberals Marxists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:10 PM
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well sourced It's not well sourced when the sources are just garbage anecdotal YouTube videos. You're just upset that they give you a bad name Still waiting on an explaination as to how exactly they are leftist aside from "they are". Honestly you havent made an argument beyond saying you dislike what im saying No, I have. You just refuse to acknowledge it because you want to believe entirely unbacked or really poorly backed things because it doesn't at all fit your narrative. I don't debate peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:06 PM
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Have you... actually read anything Marxist? Like, at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:03 PM
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why you emotional, dummy I'm really not. It's just kind of boring to get the same old "academia is just leftist reeducation camp" meme argument by people who watch 4 YouTube videos about liberals and then conclude that academia is just now lost all it's credibility. Yea, I know tlu wouldn't cause they give you a bad name. They're part of the left AND are the mainstream. Man did you just not read anything I said?? Honestly, I don't know what to say. But if you want to delude yourself with this id…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:00 PM
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Lmao, imagine unironically thinking Berkeley and Yale are the dictators and supreme commanders of academia. Oh damn, some dumb professors and parents got angry at a sociology professors because he sent a bad email. The left has RUINED academia's credibility I see. This idea that all of academia is just filled with manhating safe-space loving leftoids who want to spread the gospel of marx, Lenin, and Engels is laughably absurd. This shit about men being garbage and trash and all rapists and to bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 01:54 PM
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Yeah, problem is i dont actually take myself as seriously as people to spam garbage studies at me about "da real natur of women!!". I dont actually present anything to be laughed at in an academic setting, so i dont really get what youre going at. To be candid, yes, evopsych is a field. Unfortunately, it's objective and actual conclusions by RP people are what would be laughed out of academia. Personally I found that part of your comment to be kind of confusing, because I was mainly directing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 01:47 PM
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I've never, ever, ever heard a man brag about his wife "being obedient". That would get universal condemnation and cringe in my circle and probably the same from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:32 AM
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Epic response
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 05:06 AM
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Yes, I am. Because I'm actively involved in academia and have many family members who are in academia, and its not at all "infected by the left". Lumping the entire left together (and presumably what they think) just shows you don't understand how these fields acrually work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:56 AM
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infected by the left Lol. Ok buddy, just because you saw 3 YouTube videos about conflict theory and then read the grievance study affair Wikipedia page doesn't mean this myth that "LEFTITS CUNTROL DA COLLEGES, DERES NO CREDIBILITY ANOMOREE!!!" doesn't make that true. This meme about "leftists destroying and dominating academia" is mostly BS, but I guess I can't really argue with someone who will straight up deny reality and refuse to interact with anything that contradicts their narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:37 AM
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It's kind of depressing that this post is getting downvoted. But then again, I never expected PPD people to take Sociological theories that don't fit their narrative seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:30 AM
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I'm not gonna lie, but this is DEFINITELY me when im driving.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:09 AM
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NGL, evopsych is basically just astrology for white people that aren't college students or extremely active on Twitter. This kind of stuff would be laughed out of a serious academic setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:05 AM
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Fun fact: testing for male birth control was successful, but most men it was tested on claimed they wouldn't use it because it actively interfered with their relationships, sex drive, and libido. Always remember that we live in a very normal society pls. Thenku.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:03 AM
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Some of the "a lot of good things" from that sub might be influencing you in this, and tbh if you feel like you have a strong enough connection with her, it might just be best to be brutally honest and say what you're feeling, and get her perspective. Getting that would probably help you overcome this issue. Also, ik the "just go to therapy" thing is a bit of a meme, but trust issues is one issue that therapists are very good at dealing with.
/r/ExRedPill05/04/19 12:31 AM
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What's the right reason exactly??
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 06:02 AM
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What
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 02:17 AM
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you will talk about a girl from college No, I won't. I'll just lol at this study that has shitty conclusions, poor methodology, and doesn't even link the study in the document it cites (psychology today is also very reductionist and isn't very respect among psychologists and Sociologists). This is hard stats, but the stats are garbage and if this is your evidence for the majority of all women everyone to be attracted to DT traits, then sorry bud, idk what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:57 PM
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How
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 09:06 PM
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There is something wrong with anecdotal evidence fundamentally, it logically doesnt make sense. And personally, I've acted nothing but courteous in all our conversations, but whatever. Assume what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:24 PM
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I mean, it's a leap of faith you can take. I just don't really see it as viable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:23 PM
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Exactly. People often associate SF either witg "NorCal PNW" or "Socal surfer vibes" and its honestly neither. It's very different compared to the rest of NorCal and most of SoCal. I find it odd when people associate SF with either, considering our dating sphere is nothing like socal or PNW.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:14 PM
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Stop with the AWALT argument. To compare what you said to saying AWALT is beyond intellectually dishonest. You guys are the ones finding outliers. You guys are the ones finding minor examples of people breaking the mold to prove a point. Saying "stop with NAWALT, generalizations are correct because field reports!" is such a contradictory statement i don't even know where to start. The example you used is beyond poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:13 PM
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1) calling me a dumbass doesnt prove your point, just makes you seem like an asshole yourself. 2) your only evidence for your claim is "well I've seen quite a lot of comments from there!" which I don't count because again, that follows faulty TRP logic of anecdotal experiences. Dunno what to rell you man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:10 PM
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I never said you were MGTOW. Didn't imply it. That wasn't what I meant. What I meant was I never mentioned MGTOW. Dunno how that disproves what I said about or is related. No heavy assumption at all. I mean, it is. You stated yourself that you don't have any concrete data or evidence to back it up, just that "a lot" of comments and posts on MGTOW are from divorced or married men. I'd say that concluding from that that "most/many MGTOW are married and have dating experience" is an assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:09 PM
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Is there any particular explaination for why PNW is "aspie af"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 04:37 PM
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This doesn't really apply to SF lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 04:25 PM
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I mean, you can think that. Id expect evidence to show that many are though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 03:56 PM
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What contradicted it was what ive mostly heard and seen here and on TRP about the "true nature of women" and "what they're biologically attracted to". Specifically that all of them have similarities and that it's "blue pilled trash" to believe people on an individual basis can be different in tastes and attraction. I never said everything on TRP is bad, just the studies of "how society REALLY works" or "how women REALLY think". This really isn't about "RP being mean", I don't fucking care of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 03:55 PM
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That's a pretty heavy assumption. Any way you can back that with evidence? (Also i dont think I ever mentioned mgtow. Mgtow imo is fine as a core concept, the community is kinda sad)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 03:52 PM
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Yeah, that's my point. Seeing as a lot of people use tinder (more than okcupid) the assumption is that tinder reflects the modern dating work, ergo meaning hypergamy exists, etc etc. But that assumption is mostly bullshit considering that no one looks on tinder for LTRs and it's generally not really that monolithic. But what can be concluded is that tinder is fucking trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 11:51 PM
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I mean, at most the okcupid and tinder studies show that dating is becoming so commodified because of tinder that its ruining people's lives and making most people miserable (IE creating a sexual marketplace that limits your ability to show your value and worth in a relationship down to your looks and your 100 character bio). Beyond that though, they just assume this is the norm and then go full "women love dark triad cock" which mostly negates any point they could convey to someone else in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 11:34 PM
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Bottom line is just this: do what will make you happy, and distance yourself from stuff that is making you unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 10:49 PM
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Idrk what to say then. To each their own, I'm not here to convince you. All I can really say is that I have found TRP to mostly be untrue through my relationships, and I think it's hilarious when people from RPW or TRP mock the idea that people individually can be different enough to not be generalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 10:20 PM
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The "just be yourself" advice goes beyond just telling a guy "just be yourself" when he's approaching a girl. It's about being yourself so you attract women that actually would enjoy being around that type of person. There's obviously the confidence aspect, but I think confidence plays more into the idea of "actually making sure women know what you are like". Pretending to be someone you aren't because your girlfriend finds it hot is imo more beta than being an orbiter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 10:14 PM
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If you are feeling like shit because you read them, yes. Even the ones that are anti-RP. This isn't just me saying "REJECT THESE PEOPLE, THEYRE LYING" stuff, this is just life advice. If you feel like you're actively being brought down mood-wise because of these communities, don't use them or anything related to them. If you're somewhat attached to them, they can be difficult at first to move away from, but eventually you will mostly forget about them. Also, keep in mind, I know the whole "be yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 09:59 PM
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Yeah, in my experience the very surface level TRP stuff can be useful advice (work out, try getting hobbies so that you can improve yourself and not be entirely reliant on getting pussy to be happy, etc) but the moment it dips into psychological or sociological analysis, it just shits the bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 08:39 PM
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How many women have you dated?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 07:43 PM
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I see. Well, sadly, I don't know if I can give you much advice, but what I can tell you is you should just avoid all RP communities together (or even RP related ones, if you're feeling like shit. This includes BP and PPD). The second is that you should see what women are looking in a friend, and analyze yourself and try to think about why you seem to attract this type of woman, and if you even do only attract them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 07:41 PM
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I definitely still think that, for example, attractive people have it (somewhat) easier than unattractive people, that there's some guys who will orbit and labor intensely for girls because he thinks there's a small chance he could get his dick wet, and I do still think that women should be the ones approaching atleast a portion of the time, but don't because they believe it's easier and that there isn't any pressure on them (when there is on men). However, I mostly think women are generally not…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:46 PM
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This could just be a case of you assuming her behavior. It happens a lot and it's not something to feel bad about. But how do you think it was really centered around validation her and blowing up her ego? When analyzing the actions of anyone, male or female, you have to understand that sometimes we totally misinterpret whats in between the lines and what the undertones of something are (a good example of this is RP guys saying "women saying they want nice, kind, emotional guys is just a shit tes…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:29 PM
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Then I don't see why being a RP redditor is on your radar. Disengage with pointless communities like these and live your life bruv. Stop pushing the "PARETO PRINCIPLE APPLY TO WOMEN HYPERGAMY IS BIOLOGY WOMEN ONLY WANT CHAD COCK YOUR WOMAN DOESNT LOVE YOU" bullshit. Reorient your life to stop spreading pessimism, because it's generally not gonna convince anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:03 PM
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Mm, this doesn't really seem like erotomania if it's actually true and you are correct that she's just using your for validation, it just seems like her being a bad person. I suggest trying to avoid people that you think use you for validation. Only be friends with people that will reciprocate the praise and validation you give them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:01 PM
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Sure, but I feel like debunking some random study I find online isn't as productive as, say, someone who's red leaning sending me something and then me analyzing the study and seeing if it's correct or incorrect. I don't actually think RP is totally incorrect (hence why I'm purple), but I expect worldviews to have concrete ideas backing them rather than poor studies, which is what i usually see. (And even poorer conclusions from these studies)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:59 PM
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Honestly, I'm fine with anyone believing anything, but RP people can be pretty annoying when they constantly try to push their views onto you, along with MGTOW people. It's happened to be online and irl, and the latter was pretty surreal to hear someone unironically say out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:54 PM
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I myself attract these type of woman because I am emotionally unconscious myself? This is where a therapist would help massively. Contrary to what RP people tell you, therapy and Psychological treatment can be pretty helpful in overcoming this kind of acute erotomania. You might just be attracting this type of woman, but the first step to attracting the type of woman you want is to figure out what they want in the first place. This is (one of the few times) where Reddit could actually help, or o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:51 PM
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Yeah, Reddit can be really overly pessimistic. If you get your entire worldview and view on the female mind from PUA and Reddit, you're gonna end up being fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:41 PM
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Sure, but if you date one (shitty) girl and then say "welp, women must love dark triad, it's just biology", of course you're gonna get shit on by BP people. Because you can't just make your conclusions off of one person. Going outside and dating doesn't mean just dating one person's and going to the park and then returning to Reddit for 16 hours day. It's about doing that consistently and reintegrating into normal society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:13 PM
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I mean, you can go ahead and not believe me. I'm just providing my experience, I dont seek to really convince RP people by citing specific sources because they're debunked constantly. If you want to cite some stuff you can, but I'm never gonna write a masterpost about "wHy RP iz Rong!!!!" because you can believe whatever you want to believe, doesn't concern me if you are RP. This was a threat about someone asking if people can be ex-mgtow. I answered that with the fact that i am and why. What so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 04:13 PM
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What steered me away was actually what a lot of RP people consider confirmed their beliefs: actually getting a girlfriend and actually dating someone. I also began to think about how a lot of what RP relies on is individual field reports, huge generalizations and assumptions, and just poor data analysis and measures of human value (IE measuring intelligence through IQ, which isn't done by most academics because IQ isnt very widely respected among most of academia). I personally used to despise w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 04:06 PM
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Can I get evidence for the higher IQ stuff, women spending more, and of women working fewer hours in low skill jobs? My point was that generally speaking, the studies RP and Blackpill people cite are very, very poor, and there is almost always something faulty in them (either in methodology, conclusion from data, data presentation, data selection, etc). I can't off the top of my head name any, but if you have any studies to cite, please do! I'd love to take a look.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 03:51 PM
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No, because im not lonely enough to care if women are retarded. Get a hobby
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 03:48 PM
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I used to be pretty heavily entrenched in AWALT style believes and very heavily susceptible to MGTOW, but I mostly worked out my issues with therapists and friends, and then began questioning the "science" all these RP losers actually cite, and having been interested in Sociological and Psychological studied for awhile (and having family members and friends who majored in those specific fields and worked in them for awhile), I was able to get actual scientific opinions on this that concluded tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:48 AM
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Good meme bruv. Sad to say that isn't reality but hey, once a redditor always a redditor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:43 AM
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Yeah, usually actual RP guys who call other men soyboys and are assholes generally aren't liked beyond being fun flings. And the RP posts saying "IT GOES BEYOND JUST LIFTING AND CONFIDENCE, DARK TRIAD THO" are mostly living in a Reddit bubble and fantasy, like a lot of PPD people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 04:09 PM
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I mostly agree with this. PPD gives you a pretty biased perspective of both genders, because generally speaking going outside and actually experiencing reality is different from hearing men describe that time their girlfriend said "you know ovaries means I don't like to make decisions right?" or women say "uh, yeah, women don't actually like men, we just like you're ability to impregnate us. We aren't attracted to you".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 09:00 AM
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This is a pretty heavy assumption. The assumption that men's "material needs" can just be met, and then the last of their desires can just be fucked out loved out of them, is very very generalizing and very incorrect imo. All humans still have desire after they achieve what they've gotten. If you want a good example, read anything by Schopenhauer on desire and how it is basically endless for every normal person, not just women. Schopenhauer is a bit of a nihilistic edgelord in the books, but the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 10:05 PM
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this place is a cliquish shithole To get into that clique of people that are immune to punishment and criticism is by constantly posting. Oh, and don't be BP. You can be RP tho that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 09:16 PM
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I've dated men for 3 years as a guy. Stop using anecdotal evidence. You're contradicting your own statements of "exceptions arent the rule" and your rebuttal is "well, uh, ive experienced it, sooo". Data isnt the plural of anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:42 PM
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You seem to be assuming MRP (and their entire group) is the rule, rather than exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:35 PM
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I don't care what you think Lol. Just because you cant provide evidence other than "Google X" doesnt mean youre correct. You can't handle basic argumentation and get frustrated when I ask for something incredibly integral to an argument like a source and you just say "find it yourself lol". I already know you're insanely biased and fail to do even basic social analysis on something that isnt purely biological, but either way, goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:39 PM
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life's biggest unfairity Hard doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:23 PM
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There are straight women in this thread talking about watching it. Cool, i dont care. That's anecdotal evidence. Data isn't the plural of anecdote. Im not gonna Google it for you. Then don't claim something like that? It's pretty dumb to just say "look it up lol". It's a pretty big deflection and it portrays that you dont really have evidence and are expecting me to find it myself, which isn't how arguments work. There is straight porn geared towards women, but they just prefer lesbian porn. Yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:10 PM
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But no women are not going to approach men on general and that is not going to change Lol @ this. Pretty massively unsubstantial generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:05 PM
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hurr durr Google it No, fuck off. You can't just say "lol it's common knowledge" without providing actual fucking evidence. If that was the case, i can just claim that North Koreans aren't starving and have lots of freedom. My evidence? It's common knowledge lol. Common knowledge is such a cop out and just proves you have zero argument and are making shit assumptions without any backing, and know you're incorrect so you refuse to provide evidence. Also, the conclusion you come from this complete…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 07:50 PM
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Ok, do you have a source for that? A place with data and evidence to back that up? Stop just plucking things out of thin air, stop thinking what you say is fact, stop using your feelings as an argument. Provide actual data.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:11 PM
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the fact No, because you need to actually provide evidence for it to BE a fact. Just because you feel something doesn't mean it's true. Facts don't care about your feelings, they aren't built by them or really even influenced by them. Just because you feel that straight women choose to watch naked women over naked men really doesn't make it the case, and because you keep deflecting back to your original point, it's very easy for me to just say you're BSing, generalizing, and assuming something w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:40 PM
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You can't just say something and expect people to believe it. I want a source. I dont care if you do it. I don't care if your friends do it. I want stats, evidence, actual facts. Not just "lol i like lesbian porn so this means women don't actually like men".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:51 AM
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Yeah im saying there is fuck all evidence of this being the case. Please provide a source before ignoring what i said lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:28 AM
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straight women watch lesbian porn because they don't find men attractive enough There's some serious projection going on in this post lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 11:03 PM
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(M) Honestly, I just feel extremely masculine after a workout, when I accomplish something and finish a lot of work for school or a project, when I'm able to discuss something im passionate about, and when I'm just generally in a good mood. However I'm not really pathetic enough to feel ashamed of my "feminine" features (I have pretty long eyelashes, I've been told multiple times I have a "girly ass", etc). I feel even a lot of shy guys feel very very confident, assertive, etc when they're in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 02:15 AM
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tinder represents the modern dating economy Lol @ this thinking. This is just a slightly better version of the okcupid shit. 80/20 rule basically only applies to people who date online, which newsflash usually leads to shitty, short term relationships. Don't use tinder or okcupid to date. I think the "advice" for shy men that "Online dating is your friend" is really counterproductive. Online dating minimizes most people down to shitty, small bios, and their looks. That's not reflective of how at…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 09:23 PM
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It is. Trust me, i have no animosity towards pretty much all women. I just think it's necessary to point this stuff out, just like it's necessary to point out the privileges men get (and like men's privileges, not everyone wants them and a chunk of men don't even benefit from then), especially in regards to marriages (the societal expectation now being women should be the caretakers of the kids, whether they have a job or not). I also now usually use system and privilege in quotes in regards to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 08:31 AM
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No, because the idea of objective sexual taste is mostly fantasy. But that goes against TRP so thats just cucked bluepill BS /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:43 PM
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men can be so short sighted Havent even seen this comment you're bringing out of thin air. What was this even supposed to be for?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:37 PM
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This.... isnt true. This is a really unbased, unbacked, and false assumption. Men treating eachother like shit and mostly just being surface level friends is common, but not universal. The imply you simply can't get the level of intimacy from men that you can get from women is just literally false.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:33 PM
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I never denied that. Just that this entire sub constantly talks about specific aspects of dating constantly. Seems like the place to talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 07:39 PM
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I think there is a consensus among a lot of women on the dating scene that there is a shortage of attractive men who are LTR-interested. I mean, I can agree on that I guess. I don't personally care that much about my partners looks, but I am willing to accept that women can disagree with my tastes, that my personal preferences don't mean much, and that women generally seek that, and that it's not very common among men to be like that. They have the "privilege" of being some Chad's plate and hopi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 06:13 PM
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dating is a sucky PITA for both genders...it's not a "privilege" that matters for a lot of people, so whatever. I agree. Dating can be a pretty shitty experience for both genders and i dont think women have a universal better time, nor do I think women have it easy. I think that there's big disadvantages on both sides. But I never claimed otherwise, all I said was that in regards to starting a relationship/doing a cold approach, women generally have an easier time. However, this isn't universal,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 05:33 PM
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I mean, I don't necessarily disagree. The core concept still applies, and what my point is that it seems mostly pointless and unnecessary to have this "system" where there's pretty much zero pressure on women and most of the pressure on men (in regards to approaching). What I'm saying is that even if you can compare this to markets and say that the sexual market "just works that way" (side note: the sexual economics/sexual market theory has proven to be mostly incorrect, and that the dating sphe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 03:11 PM
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Caring itself is an abstract concept, I can't really say women don't care about men because I literally never claimed that. Caring itself doesn't mean anything because emotions are just things that influence us to take acton. And saying "strange women you'll never meet" is a bit odd and kind of irrelavent, and i really don't get what you're arguing for. I care for the wellbeing of pretty much everyone and seek to put that into action, which is why i support stuff like gender equality, feminism, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 03:01 PM
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I personally care, apparently, more than you about people I don't know. Deeply? No. But is there still a decent amount because I actually am a positive person who cares about others regardless of if I know them? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 02:39 PM
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I can agree that individuals alone cannot actually change anything, but that doesn't mean you're only options are A) become a politician to change that or B) accept it as a fact of life and just try to vent it out of your system or emotionally overcome it. Also, I don't really think legislation will ever actually change this. On a fundamental level, legislation rarely changes society in a drastic level unless society itself has been agitated to a point where it accepts the change, or where it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:51 PM
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I mean, that's a pretty vast generalization, that I can't say is that true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:29 PM
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I don't see them passing laws or changing cultural landscape, so no. Can't really say this is a decent reason, considering organizations like the Bolsheviks in the Russian Empire didn't really have many "politicians" and still radically changed society. This is because the bolsheviks not only had a programme, they encouraged their party members to actively try to participate and spread those ideas, virtues, beliefs, and desires for change in society among the populace. I think western people are…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:28 PM
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Yeah, I can't really agree. The idea that we can just simply chalk this up to biology is imo not really something I can agree with. It's moreso about the actual act of approaching/initiating, not about "casual sex". I can't really even say I fully agree with the statement that women have a "much, much easier time getting casual sex", but again I don't really see how that's relevant to this. (Another note, I can't really say the generalizations you said, even if they are "on average", are correct…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:13 PM
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In my experience, women are totally fine with accepting that the privilege exists. How they act on it is different though. The majority, from what I've seen, said something along the lines of "I guess that's a privilege, but I don't see how we can stop it in the first place", and then chalk it up as "it'll pass eventually". Basically, they just push away the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 01:10 PM
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That's fair, but in this regard it's not really a huge appeal to emotion. This observation about female privilege (in this regard) is mostly for feminists and people who purport gender equality and equality of the sexes, and an appeal to that belief. For most women I know, many recognize the privilege after a bit of talking, but most come to the conclusion that it will sort itself out and that it really doesn't matter in the long run. The other parts justify it by saying "if it makes it easier f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 06:39 AM
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Eh, I don't agree that women can't have empathy for men. I saw the question you asked awhile ago and id like to note that PPD is a huge bubble, and you should take everything here with a grain of salt. You're gonna do much more convincing outside of here than inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 06:29 AM
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publically expressing anything further right-wing than a center-left view will be met with extreme public derision 1) this isn't a right wing opinion, it's literally in support of feminism and equality of the sexes 2) where do you live lmao. People expect right wing opinions all the time where I am. That's nonsense. The ration among women is even less, at best, than 50-50 I'm sorry but this generalization and take is just really not something I can believe, because my own experiences and reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 06:20 AM
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Yeah, if you do it stupidly. If you just calmly try to introduce the idea (especially if you have already built a rapport with the person), I highly doubt they'd do something like that. The idea that every feminist is an SJW asshole is just simply not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 06:07 AM
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I hope so too. It could be either one, but I think if you're just immersing yourself in PPD/TRP, you're gonna imagine it's heterosexual relations. But most more academically fluent people can agree that relations between the two, though facing some pretty big problems and hiccups, aren't threatened to a society-destroying level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 05:36 AM
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Misogyny begitting misandry and back and forth. Ugh. Amen there. I guess I can only really comment on the now because my politics is mostly relative to the post-2016 political sphere and what happened then. But what I can say is that the rejection of hardcore radical feminism is pretty good, and women who champion gender equality and feminism are starting to realize that if they want to dismantle the patriarchy and stop the horrible acts men seem to commit all the time, they have to recognize th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 05:15 AM
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thanks for at least recognizing that Well I mean, that's basically one of the biggest critiques of feminism imo, that feminism basically just brushes off any kind of idea of there being female privilege in any aspect. Like I said women obviously have many things to be angry at men over, and women are right to be tired of a lot of men's shit, but unless confronted, this is a rarely discussed issue that imo applies to pretty much everyone. Dating sphere is discussed a decent amount, but in circles…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 04:58 AM
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I agree with most of what you said, and im thankful that you are able to recognize that and not just default to "whelp, sucks to be you" or "it's just biology man". However.... Most women have experienced nonsexual rejection from men for much of their lives, I can't really say men most of the time haven't, ESPECIALLY men with social anxiety disorder(s), Asperger's syndrome (like myself), and people who are just extremely shy. Obviously im not saying women have to cater specifically to men who ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 04:49 AM
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No, what I was saying was that if a man said "women, you need to start approaching men!" he'd be destroyed online as a self-entitled "incel". That's quite possible, but I don't really think that's very well phrased. Women don't NEED to approach men. But women SHOULD recognize that they have that privilege, and women who espouse gender equality and the destruction of unnecessary privileges SHOULD be fighting against stuff like this too. I would agree that some feminists are like that. I don't kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 04:33 AM
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I think that overall the intentions of this post are good (trying to point out that there is obvious unnecessary female privilege), but I mostly lose you when you say that pointing these things out automatically gets you called a mysogynistic entitled asshole. Most women (aside from PPD users but w/e) after being shown that yes, this is a privilege and does count, mostly accept that. And the ones that fight for stuff like gender equality (IE most feminists or left-leaning women) will accept that…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 04:24 AM
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I think aside from the examples here and what the OP said, they do bring up a decent point about how women basically encourage this idea that men have to be the one to approach, and are the ones who should be expected to approach, and most don't really seem like they want this to change. Now this obviously doesn't apply to every woman (it's mainly just PPD users honestly), but it's worthy to point out that a lot of people purporting gender equality and equal treatment of women fail to recognize …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 04:20 AM
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I already stated they did, I literally stated it right after what I said about men assuming stuff about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 09:01 PM
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I mean, I think it mostly does depend on the person. This sub likes to generalize people a lot and i think it's mostly because people here like to assume that because they had one girl say something, they can automatically assume this goes for every other woman (or if a girl experiences something with a man, this can go automatically for every other man). Like, there's some women who have little sex drive for anyone that isnt "Chad", and some women who are really horny constantly all the time. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 08:23 PM
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Typically on the rare occasion I talk about this with girls, theres mostly either a recognition of the privilege after a few kind-of-not-really excuses, or a back and forth after that on the privileges and disadvantages of women and men in the dating sphere, so yeah, generally speaking this complaint or declining of privilege is mostly online, but its worth addressing. ​ I can't really agree to this part about humans being naturally lazy though. Humans get bored pretty easily, even with the shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 04:57 AM
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Apologies. I still think it's something women need to consider though. Women cant really just say "welp, sucks to be you" (they don't usually outside of this sub and r/RPW) and accept a female privilege. Obviously I believe women aren't actually that privileged, and there's a lot stacked against them and a lot of benefits that men have, but in recognizing male privileges I think it's worth it to consider that women do have some privileges too, and in a fight for supposed gender equality it's Par…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 04:40 AM
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Ok? I still think it's mostly bullshit that people (mainly on PPD) fall back on the excuse that "it hurts us more". It still hurts like shit to get rejected, atleast for more shy people, and it's still pretty scary. Why does it automatically default to men exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 11:45 PM
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Because you're definition of a "good man" is so hyper-particular that most men can't fit into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 08:52 PM
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The idea that women are just naturally more insecure or naturally predisposed to not wanting to approach men isn't biological. If it's not just blatantly incorrect (I didnt even see evidence shown for the approaching of men one, you just said "they won't do it" and compared it to men putting on makeup), it's mostly just social pressure. Men are socially pressured to not express emotion, to find insecurity to be unnatural, to be weak, and to be ignored or bottled up. The idea that men are just na…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 06:17 PM
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I still stand by the fact that most excuses and reasons given for why women shouldn't approach are mostly BS, and they're generally shitty "unspoken rules"/expectations (and mostly unnecessary).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 05:14 PM
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I think this narrative that "women shouldn't ever approach, men always should" and chalking it up to biology is really stupid. Both genders should societally have no expectations of how they approach or if they should. Both genders should have the opportunity to and be socially accepted when they do. I also think that the thing that I occasionally see some women say (stuff like "it hurts us more") is mostly BS (as a justification for letting this continue. It still hurts guys, which is why more …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 05:00 PM
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it's because they're just different This is a extremely reductionist way of thinking. You're basically crediting all these SOCIAL expectations and standards to BIOLOGY, when most of them simply aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 04:52 PM
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