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Social Issuesaugustfell/r/MensRights03/06/15 05:06 AM
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Feminismaugustfell/r/MensRights10/11/15 04:56 AM
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False Accusationaugustfell/r/MensRights16/06/15 05:40 PM
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Social Issuesaugustfell/r/MensRights12/06/15 11:34 PM
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Feminismaugustfell/r/MensRights11/08/15 01:38 AM
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Social Issuesaugustfell/r/MensRights22/10/15 05:50 PM
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Generalaugustfell/r/MensRights19/07/15 11:52 PM
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Questionsaugustfell/r/MensRights09/11/15 07:12 AM
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Feminismaugustfell/r/MensRights16/10/15 06:46 AM
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Social Issuesaugustfell/r/MensRights13/08/15 08:56 PM
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Generalaugustfell/r/MensRights03/11/15 08:42 PM
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Questionsaugustfell/r/MensRights16/11/15 05:49 AM
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Activism/Supportaugustfell/r/MensRights02/06/15 07:32 AM
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I just want to iron out the inconsistencies. If we're going to say "we're all the same," then our social norms should reflect that. Or, if we want to keep those social norms, then we need to stop saying we're all the same.
/r/MensRights09/07/19 06:05 AM
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Or you can just do Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
/r/MensRights31/03/19 03:23 AM
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There is a giant firewall in many people's minds separating race and gender (or any other oppression category). Example: I remember feminists in my newsfeed sharing an article about a black man who had been falsely imprisoned for years by a rape allegation. They lamented how terrible it was. Yet these very same feminists support the notion of "believe all women" and campus tribunals. In their minds, there was no contradiction.
/r/MensRights15/03/19 03:20 AM
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But can I identify as Parent 1? And isn't there a non-binary continuum of infinite parent-ness between 1 and 2?
/r/MensRights25/02/19 05:26 AM
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This comment pretty much summarizes the problem facing men's rights. Someone's willing to explain the dark side of feminism, and how it, in practice, does not stand for equal rights. But you basically refuse to listen because you're "surrounded" by feminists. If they are really your friends, they wouldn't mind you reading criticism of their ideology.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 01:16 AM
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"This story is real. However, for privacy concerns I've changed names, dates, locations and any other falsifiable details for the sake of the privacy of all involved. While some parts may differ from my Senate testimony, rest assured that this book contains the exact story I was prepared to tell the FBI, had it chosen to give a full investigation that lasted past the midterm elections. For grammatical clarity, I have recruited two co-authors, Toni Morrison ('I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings'), an…
/r/MensRights08/10/18 05:49 AM
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Too much for 30 seconds. Nothing will sink in. My suggestion would be to pick one point and find a memorable way to convey it.
/r/MensRights08/10/18 05:12 AM
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I agree, for the most part. Though I interpreted it as they didn't step in until it was clear that the fight was one-sided, in the same way refs stop fights in MMA.
/r/MensRights30/09/18 06:05 AM
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To be honest, I was impressed that she took it and kept fighting.
/r/MensRights30/09/18 06:03 AM
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Yeah, but those are all choices. /s
/r/MensRights30/09/18 06:01 AM
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I've said this many times before: This is actually the most effective way to push for men's rights. I hate that that's the case, but that's what we're up against.
/r/MensRights30/09/18 04:28 AM
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Principles are about process. Radical Leftism is about outcomes.
/r/MensRights28/09/18 04:07 AM
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Just define "MRA" as "someone who doesn't think men should be treated like a door mat." And that anyone who isn't an MRA is a sexist.
/r/MensRights26/04/18 01:32 PM
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Men are stronger and more physically aggressive than women, so yeah, I'd be more nervous for my safety if I were a woman alone with a guy who was attracted to me. BUT, while as a guy I'd be less nervous about my physical safety, I'd be more nervous about my legal and professional "safety." Why are you thinking of murdering women, Mr Rogan? Why are you thinking about how easy it would be to rape them? That's what I find weird. He's trying to get into the mind of a woman who would be scared. It's …
/r/MensRights08/12/17 05:31 AM
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When people describe nerds today, it's as if they're describing the very jocks who bullied me at school. Those dude-bros who talked about "nailing chicks" every day. Perhaps it's mostly a myth to get people to believe there's a problem in tech that needs to be fixed (via feminism, public shaming and government regulation and indoctrination). There may be a grain of truth to the "brogrammer" stereotype in that there is a lot of money in tech now, which makes nerds more attractive to women than th…
/r/MensRights08/12/17 05:19 AM
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Ahh, so I have to produce evidence, but you don't? Nice one.
/r/MensRights18/11/17 08:10 PM
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You're assuming that feminism is equally distributed across races and cultures. Do you have evidence that that is true? Because it seems that feminism is disproportionately represented among middle- to upper-middle class Western white women.
/r/MensRights14/11/17 03:41 AM
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it means they can't find actual sexism.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 03:43 PM
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No, most feminists are not white. how can you explain 'White Feminism' It was a minority of feminists who were basically complaining that the majority of feminists are white
/r/MensRights06/11/17 01:43 AM
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they will not be respected by black feminists. But most feminists are white. And they can't criticize black men without coming off as racist. It's a nice piece of armor to have.
/r/MensRights05/11/17 09:34 PM
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Nah, I think this is a good thing in the larger picture. Men of color can establish a men's movement that would be resistant to SJW attacks (because racism). It might even get some positive coverage by the media. White men would likely benefit indirectly from this.
/r/MensRights05/11/17 03:13 AM
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Modern feminism has a zero-sum mentality-- if a man gains, that must be a woman's loss.
/r/MensRights04/11/17 01:01 AM
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Doesn't testosterone also have psychological effects as well?
/r/MensRights29/10/17 05:39 PM
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If this were repackaged as an article called, "How Kangaroo Courts Hurt Women," it would gain more exposure than the run-of-the-mill stories about young men. OP, perhaps you should approach a mainstream outlet with your story. And don't make any references to men's rights.
/r/MensRights29/10/17 05:34 PM
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Black men are way more under-represented at universities than black women, so perhaps she doesn't have any black male students.
/r/MensRights20/10/17 04:07 AM
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I'd love to hear a judge cite The Police to justify a male teacher hooking up with a female student. "Young teacher, the subject, of school girl fantasy... she wants him, so badly, knows what she wants to be."
/r/MensRights08/10/17 05:32 AM
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communism and feudalism was so much better than capitalism...
/r/MensRights08/10/17 04:56 AM
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"And what social scientists are finding now is that there is a correlation between equal division of labor and better sex." I remember reading an article that said that men who did stereo-typically female chores got less sex.
/r/MensRights06/10/17 03:47 AM
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Well, at least this is an improvement. Instead of being rooted in "hate" and "misogyny", we've been downgraded to mere "ignorance." One day we might be worthy of just being ignored.
/r/MensRights29/09/17 04:51 AM
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“The woman does get her Ph.D. but then becomes a stay-at-home mom, Maybe that's what she wants to do. and it just enables the career of the man,” Maybe she wants to be married to a successful man.
/r/MensRights29/09/17 04:39 AM
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It's like those movies whose writers are worried that the audience is too dumb to know who the bad guy is, so they have him abuse a woman or child for good measure.
/r/MensRights23/09/17 06:48 AM
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Now it's time to push further and threaten to cut the federal funding of schools that voluntarily maintain the kangaroo courts.
/r/MensRights23/09/17 06:40 AM
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I think the big difference is that the Left has actively attacked men for being men, and have targeted the men's rights movement. For the most part, conservatives don't even talk about men's rights. Whereas on the left, MRA's are equated with nazis and men are patriarchal oppressors. So yes, conservatives may not offer much direct support, and may incidentally support policies that hurt men, the straight forward attacks on men are coming from the Left. Radical Feminism comes entirely from the Le…
/r/MensRights23/09/17 05:05 AM
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So what are your recommendations? By your reasoning, women always win. I guess we should just all go home and not even try? My point is that there's an opportunity for MRAs to be on the same side as racial-minority SJWs and to change policy in a positive direction. No?
/r/MensRights21/09/17 05:49 AM
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Most I know acknowledge that they need to be addressed, they just haven't taken up the mantle. I hear a lot of: "Yeah, men have real issues, but we have to work on the most pressing issues first... which are women's issues." This reminds me of authoritarian regimes that promise democracy... when the time is right. Neither have conservatives though. People forget we don't get much support from them either. Both sides have failed to give support. But it has been mainly one side that has been activ…
/r/MensRights21/09/17 05:40 AM
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I think that's only because feminists are either ignorant about the effects on black men, or because they are deliberately hiding it. Black men are higher on the progressive stack than white women in a direct comparison. And I think BLM trumps women in general. If any real evidence ever came out about black men being hurt by white women in kangaroo courts then feminists would lose the argument and we could see real change. I do agree that, on a day-to-day basis, feminism exerts more influence (d…
/r/MensRights21/09/17 05:20 AM
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SJWs briefly ponder who should be framed as the victim before giving up and ignoring the story as too complicated
/r/MensRights21/09/17 03:53 AM
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Meh, if one party is fucking up I think it needs to be called out. On MRA issues, Dems are fucking up more than the GOP.
/r/MensRights21/09/17 03:44 AM
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I blame specific Democrats for supporting misandrist legislation and policy (e.g. Obama, Kristin Gillibrand, etc), but even blaming an entire political party for the agendas of a few within it is unproductive. You seem to be suggesting that feminism/anti-MRA is a small movement within the Democratic party. This is incorrect; it is very much mainstream Democrat/Left. Obama ran his campaign appealing to the "War on Women." Hillary Clinton ran her campaign as a "Let's break the glass ceiling." The …
/r/MensRights21/09/17 03:40 AM
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Because SJW logic says that men are privileged, so they can't be oppressed as a class. Also, race is a sexier, click-bait topic. Lastly, men typically don't want to celebrate victimhood status, so in a way we can blame our fellow men for not making it a gender issue.
/r/MensRights20/09/17 04:59 AM
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Chill out and keep partisan politics out of this sub. Even mainstream leftists deserve some blame for this. They formed a protective membrane over the SJWs and looked the other way as kangroo courts proliferated. They did something similar with Antifa. I'm glad they're speaking out now, but they're late.
/r/MensRights20/09/17 04:30 AM
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It's crazy how quickly the media jumped on "our" side on this one. I wonder why.
/r/MensRights13/09/17 04:19 AM
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is that really an area that we want to get mixed up in? we're already mixed up in it when certain feminists point at people engaged in traditional gender roles and label it an "oppression" that needs to be countered by government/corporate programs, social shaming and a dose of cultural Marxism.
/r/MensRights12/09/17 03:02 AM
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It's a discussion of gender roles, which is discussed all the time here. It also shows a prominent person going against the feminist narrative, which is also discussed here.
/r/MensRights09/09/17 06:01 AM
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Unfortunately, it's going to take years for this system to be rolled back. There are way too many people who have an institutionalized interest in it. Also, a lot of the administrators will drag their feet on reforms while they wait for Trump to be replaced by a Democrat in 2020. To make actual change in the next three years DeVos needs to make serious threats of pulling federal funding for schools that maintain the kangaroo-court system.
/r/MensRights08/09/17 03:50 AM
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honestly, I think the worst part of it is that it splits people apart just as they are pulling together.
/r/MensRights31/08/17 05:08 AM
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who said he learned economics? Depending on the school/state he might have little or no training in it.
/r/MensRights31/08/17 04:59 AM
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^ "When Hollywood makes a movie about Hurricane Harvey"
/r/MensRights29/08/17 07:35 PM
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SJWs have accomplished a lot by being un-tactful.
/r/MensRights29/08/17 07:22 PM
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maybe it's their belief that women don't have what it takes to engage in law enforcement. It would be interesting if feminists complained about this.
/r/MensRights22/07/17 08:09 AM
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I came here when a commenter on HuffPo literally wrote, "Go back to Reddit, MRA." At the time I didn't know what "MRA" stood for, nor had I ever been on Reddit. So I decided to check it out. This sub was around 100,000 then. I have mixed feelings about the rapid growth since it's also an indication of how bad things have gotten.
/r/MensRights30/05/17 10:07 PM
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I think it's good that people take the chance to speak out. We need people like that. Otherwise, there would only be a handful of people speaking out for true gender equality. They just need to do a better job protecting their anonymity and creating a backup plan if/when they get doxxed. However, you're right about the risk. I would counsel a friend to thing twice before ranting, even if he has taken steps to protect his identity.
/r/MensRights30/05/17 05:24 PM
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Way too many landmines in your proposal. (Hypothetical counter-arguments in quotes) Today things are fine. "Says the White cis-male. Yeah, I'm sure slave owners thought things were just fine." But you can't change these kind of opinions complaining "Because MLK and Ghandi just complained and didn't accomplish anything /s" only culture can change them, and that's already happening. "It's happening because feminists have dared to challenge rape culture." By complaining and blaming men you are just…
/r/MensRights30/05/17 05:20 PM
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Because nowadays you can lose your job or even go to prison for expressing the wrong ideas.
/r/MensRights30/05/17 04:19 PM
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unless there's censorship, in which case the censor decides for everyone else.
/r/MensRights17/05/17 02:53 AM
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"freedom of expression" is more than a legal principle; it is a philosophical principle. Facebook can censor, but it doesn't mean that they should censor.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 08:52 PM
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Yup, it always comes down to "who decides?"
/r/MensRights16/05/17 08:47 PM
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Who are you willing to trust with the job of deciding for everyone else what is "objectively wrong"?
/r/MensRights16/05/17 08:46 PM
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interesting point
/r/MensRights16/05/17 08:42 PM
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"Alternative facts" are okay, but "alternative narratives" are not, even when supported by actual facts.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 08:40 PM
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Bad analogy. In a lottery you can win something desirable. "Russian Roulette" would be more accurate.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 08:35 PM
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"Terrorism doesn't happen as much as you think. I guess we don't have to worry about a Muslim person being wrongly accused of being a terrorist. Yeah, Trump would love that kind of reasoning..." "Black men falsely accused of rape? Yeah, fuck'em, right? They're always guilty, that's what you think, right?"
/r/MensRights05/02/17 11:57 PM
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There are SJW-friendly ways of bringing up MRA issues, though. For example, just talk about the issues "men of color" face, and you'll get a pretty big intersection of issues men in general face. Of course, you can't use the label MRA.
/r/MensRights19/11/16 06:45 AM
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it's very anti-SJW and anti-feminist. Close enough.
/r/MensRights14/11/16 06:41 AM
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Can't wait to hear feminists thump their chests about the sacrifices they will be making in the unlikely, future war scenario. This could end bad: To be prepared for the mere potential of an influx of female draftees, they'll demand half of all generals be women, more gender education indoctrination, and Title IX style justice. Yeah, this can end bad.
/r/MensRights28/04/16 04:12 AM
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Unless it is taught by departments like evolutionary psychology or economics it is likely to get "captured" by SJW ideologues.
/r/MensRights28/04/16 03:47 AM
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I don't get it. Do you get busted if you are manspreading and you refuse to make room for someone who wants to sit down? Or are you just instantly nailed for spreading your legs, regardless of the context?
/r/MensRights23/04/16 05:28 AM
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My preferred solution: Gradually, and subtly alter the display, using the same font, chart types, colors and positioning, but change the numbers and the explanations. See if the RA notices. He probably won't, at least for a while. However, in the meanwhile, you will either have an MRA sounding board, or proof that no one is paying attention to this thing. Whatever you do, take an "after" pic.
/r/MensRights17/04/16 06:09 PM
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whoops, sorry! There have been a lot of actual Marxists/Socialists on this sub recently...
/r/MensRights17/04/16 01:01 AM
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Agreed. I think it's terrible when I hear anti-SJWs say they're quitting Twitter/Facebook because of its leftist slant. It's where the action is, so we need to be there.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 06:44 AM
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Money reflects scarcity; it doesn't create scarcity. If you get rid of money, and there will still be people who have more stuff, and who are capable of producing more stuff, than others. And some people will have stuff of higher value than others, whether you measure value in terms of money, goats, virgins or favors to be given. In short, getting rid of the thermometer won't make the room less hot.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 06:34 AM
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or maybe the players could demand a "Safe Space" after a particularly bad loss.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 06:29 PM
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I want to see a Muslim athlete say it's against his religion to have females in his locker room. SJW heads asploding.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 07:21 AM
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As a bonus, here's Shapiro responding to a feminist who throws the dictionary definition at him. (There's a weird camera issue the first few seconds.) Link should skip to 1:02:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8MPw1RvbMo#t=1h2m46s He gives a very cultural conservative reply. Not my preference, but oh well.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 07:08 AM
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From the RSU president: “the mandate of the group runs contrary to our core equity values of the organization.... The acknowledgement of patriarchy… is one of our core values.” Creepy. Notice that "patriarchy" is not viewed as an assertion of fact, to be verified by empiricism. It is a "value", to be accepted as dogma. The student body has adopted a religion.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 06:33 AM
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Institutional... check. Sexism (against men)... check.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 03:37 AM
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As with all keyboard warriors, however, they never materialise in real life. Oh, so you mean these aren't real, credible threats men are making? Maybe they should be ignored then. Oh wait, that would rob feminists of the victim narrative and they'd actually have to defend their wage gap claims...
/r/MensRights07/04/16 05:10 PM
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No, it's not a scandal. Tournaments will use different balls to create the desired effect, given the court surface and environmental conditions. Rather than thinking of it as women's balls being faster, think of it as men's balls being slower. In general, tennis tournaments have made an effort to slow down the pace of the men's game so that points last longer and the serve is less potent. They have done this through the balls and the court surface. But when both men and women are at the same ven…
/r/MensRights05/04/16 10:54 AM
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Hey guys, keep in mind the issue is never revenue alone. Both Demand and Supply must be accounted for. Revenue addresses the Demand side of the equation. The Supply side relates to how much pay is required to get men and women to play. This required amount is probably different across the two groups. So even if men bring in less revenue, they have to be paid more to get them to play if they have greater earning opportunities elsewhere (such as a pro team).
/r/MensRights31/03/16 05:55 PM
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Implicitly he seems to be saying, "No true leftist/socialist government would oppress its people." Of course, I never bothered to pin him down on his definitions. But I think it's a good guess.
/r/MensRights28/03/16 04:51 AM
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practically all the things we talk about fall under socialism. First, you are overly broad. We can build more shelters for homeless men without moving to Socialism, etc. So why not just say, "Let's get some petitions for male shelters"? Second, what seems to bug most people on this forum is the inequality in treatment across men and women, not the absolute amount of resources given to men. For example, if we eliminated female-specific programs (as opposed to creating counterbalancing male-specif…
/r/MensRights28/03/16 04:42 AM
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We don't have left or right governments. We have right governments. Sounds like a "no true Scotsman" fallacy. showing feminists how they are being manipulated We really don't need to give them another reason they are victims.
/r/MensRights28/03/16 04:11 AM
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You're making the mistake that just because two elements are in the same system that they are not in opposition to each other. This is incorrect. A system can have conflicting elements, and it's likely the case that the "system" is attempting to balance or represent opposing forces. What you've done is committed a guilt-by-association argument. In a libertarian regime you would not have the government systematically discriminating against men such as through affirmative action mandates or in fam…
/r/MensRights27/03/16 05:52 PM
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Getting Farrell onto the main TED stage would be an even bigger win than Casey Jaye's documentary. One thing that stands out about Farrell is how damn nice he is. He is clearly compassionate and understanding to both sides of the issue. He is pro-male without seeming to be anti-feminist. If someone has crossover appeal, it's him.
/r/MensRights26/03/16 07:02 AM
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middle class college women punching down and trying to stop the men at the bottom getting help Feminists are too "smart" for that. Don't underestimate them. If they want to attack working-class men, they usually do so by invoking the misogyny that working-class women face. If the topic is homelessness, they will talk about homeless women. Even when they are clearly dominating a field, such as college education, can still paint themselves as victims of rape culture, and therefore make the discuss…
/r/MensRights26/03/16 06:49 AM
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His over-reaction basically confirms that he agrees she's ugly. Do politicians not understand politics any more? His "over-reaction" was deliberate. If you're a public figure and someone insults your wife, you need to turn into an angry gorilla, otherwise people will think you are simultaneously weak and heartless. Both those things will cost you votes. There was an infamous case of this in U.S. politics. In the 80s a presidential candidate (either Mondale or Dukakis), who opposed the death pena…
/r/MensRights26/03/16 06:14 AM
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I like how you projected far into the future like a chess player. However, I think there are some weak links in your logic. First, the Left defends radical Islam without asking for anything in return. It's almost a knee jerk reaction for them to stick up for the "underdog." So I don't see the pressure for radical Muslims to moderate. Second, I don't see radical Muslims disliking Western feminists any more than regular Western women. My guess is that they view both of them as equally bad. It is l…
/r/MensRights26/03/16 06:05 AM
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Absolutely right. Unfortunately, the SJW ideology demands a boogie man to unify against. Right now that boogie man is the White Male. Either you would have to get the Left to reject the need for a boogie man, or you would have to get them to switch to a new boogie man(such as "Wall Street", or "capitalism," or whatever). Sanders is doing a decent job pushing for such a switch, but I think it will quickly fade if he doesn't become president (which is likely).
/r/MensRights26/03/16 05:30 AM
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The right end of it produces doing nothing It has been producing anti-feminism for a long time. The non-SJW Left is playing catch up. the right platform actually provides no platform for change anyway. Its primary platform is in preventing bad change. Combating radical feminism is much of what this forum wants. However, I agree that an overarching commitment to helping everyone in need would make it easier to help men. As it stands now, helping women is treated as a special case and men aren't v…
/r/MensRights26/03/16 05:20 AM
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multiple SJWs insist that it doesn't really matter if RooshV isn't an MRA hey, as long as it promotes a "discussion" it's okay...
/r/MensRights25/03/16 08:19 PM
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Oh, and apparently MGTOWs have hired a "spokesman."
/r/MensRights25/03/16 06:54 PM
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Hey Dregoba, I didn't downvote you. I don't downvote just because I disagree. Yes, I agree that anyone, including Shapiro, can be tempted into inconsistent positions trying to chase ratings, money, or whatever. Definitely a lot of media outlets are chasing the anti-Trump clicks, and I do think it is somewhat skewed against him.
/r/MensRights22/03/16 02:11 AM
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There was a witness. The video also undermines the primary defense the campaign used: Corey was on the other side of Trump and that it was probably the Secret Service agent who grabbed her. The video shows Corey crossing over and reaching towards her. Add that to Michelle and the other reporter as witness and it's pretty clear.
/r/MensRights21/03/16 08:12 PM
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that's an old article. Trump has done a lot, since, including giving people pats on the back for manhandling and punching people.
/r/MensRights21/03/16 08:10 PM
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Shapiro is a purist conservative, and has been pretty much his whole adult life. Trump isn't really conservative, whereas Cruz is the only conservative left in the GOP race. Since Shapiro is the editor-in-chief it shouldn't be surprising that his site is going to favor Cruz over Trump. This is consistent with his values that can be verified from his past work. It's not as if he suddenly "sold out" to Cruz. If that were true, he wouldn't be saying that Trump's nomination is a lock.
/r/MensRights19/03/16 09:43 AM
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Breitbart put up a hit piece on him the day Shaprio resigned, including comments that he was looking for a job at Fox. Breitbart quickly took it down and replaced it with an apology, claiming it was an internal joke that accidentally got published. Shapiro hates Trump because Trump isn't a true conservative and because he has authoritarian tendencies. He quit because Breitbart choose an allegiance to the Trump campaign over the truth. Look up Ben Shapiro on youtube and you'll find a ton of his p…
/r/MensRights19/03/16 09:32 AM
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Actually, several other people also resigned, including Shapiro's dad, who was working as a copy editor, and the publicist. They quit because Breitbart leadership didn't want to get into a fight with Trump because either, 1. They have an ideological allegiance to him, or 2. They make a ton of money by covering him. Either way, they put their relationship with Trump ahead of sticking up for their reporter. Losing Ben Shapiro is a pretty big deal. Breitbart is anti-SJW, anti-feminist, and will sti…
/r/MensRights18/03/16 07:11 AM
1

Also, I predict the "MRAs Boycott Ghostbusters" viral article. It's probably already written. Roosh V will somehow be involved.
/r/MensRights06/03/16 09:16 PM
1

They should have cast hot actresses and made the uniforms tight and Tomb Raider like. Then they could throw in some feminist themes. Something along the lines of Charlies Angels would have something for everyone.
/r/MensRights06/03/16 09:12 PM
3

Sounds like an opportunity to get Bernie supporters into the anti-censorship movement.
/r/MensRights27/02/16 08:53 AM
1

So do Asian males pay more?
/r/MensRights27/02/16 08:48 AM
1

Actually, as I understand it there are two justifications that are being combined: The woman's right to privacy, combined with the implicit assumption that the fetus is not human. After all, the right to privacy does not allow us to kill people in the privacy of our own homes. So there must be some implicit assumption that the fetus isn't a person. This is why so many scholars, even liberal ones, think Roe v. Wade was terrible reasoning. i.e., the right to privacy alone does not let us do whatev…
/r/MensRights19/02/16 11:23 PM
2

Edit: Just googled again - the link seems fixed now. Are you sure that wasn't Google adjusting to your search history?
/r/MensRights12/02/16 06:47 AM
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There's a silver lining here. It's politically acceptable to talk about black men, latino men, gay men, immigrant men, muslim men, etc. But that's a huge chunk of the U.S. male population (and on track to being the majority). I think "intersectional MRM" is one way the regular MRM can get accepted into the public debate. No, it's not ideal, but it's way better than being totally ignored. The hard reality is that if we successfully turn this issue into a general MRM issue then it will completely …
/r/MensRights07/02/16 09:16 PM
3

Autocompletes help people who don't know exactly what they're trying to find. A lot of people will be mislead into the wrong tag. This will impact "recruitment." Also, people are lazy and small inconveniences can vastly change behavior. For example, the biggest determinant of whether someone is an organ donor is whether or not they have to sign an extra box on a driver's license application.
/r/MensRights15/01/16 05:14 AM
1

I find this disturbing. Feminists are so tied up in SJW doctrine and politically correctness that they won't even stand up for their own in the face of actual rape culture. I'm a bit shocked. I didn't think anything could stop the feminism train. But I guess they'll have to let Breitbart and Milos do the dirty work for them.
/r/MensRights07/01/16 10:35 AM
1

I guess women were "pushed" into medicine and law, too.
/r/MensRights27/12/15 11:01 PM
1

Marxism leads to socialism, which inevitably leads to the exclusion of some group. This time around it's MRAs. The lesson here is that Marxism doesn't work the way it is advertised.
/r/MensRights27/12/15 10:33 PM
1

first, you are commenting on a youtube video on youtube. So youtube wins regardless. Second, usually when you comment on a video, you are playing back only an excerpt, not the entire video. Archiving a webpage diverts traffic away from the host website and copies the entire content of that webpage.
/r/MensRights09/12/15 07:54 AM
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I had my misgivings about archiving when I first joined this site, but eventually started doing it myself. However, I think the author has a good point. Perhaps a better solution is for our "scouts" to make posts summarizing the offending articles, and including enough quotes to give a good feel of the article without violating fair use. Of course this would take more work, and we'd be relying on fellow posters to make accurate representations, but maybe this would be a step forward for this sub…
/r/MensRights08/12/15 05:48 AM
1

hmm... anyone know of a related meme? Couldn't find one.
/r/MensRights08/12/15 05:31 AM
1

Especially if their data set included a ton of community colleges and commuter schools that have no or little campus housing or night life.
/r/MensRights07/12/15 07:25 AM
3

Because women are systematically excluded from saving others' lives... except when they're acting as nurses and doctors and saving lives that way, but the patriarchal narrative does not allow us to recognize that as such... /s
/r/MensRights05/12/15 12:24 AM
28

don't forget the welcomed gaze that was later regretted.
/r/MensRights04/12/15 08:27 PM
2

my first reaction was, "Ouch!" I'm not used to CHS being so blunt, but I guess that's what Twitter requires.
/r/MensRights04/12/15 07:55 AM
3

are those all different women?
/r/MensRights04/12/15 07:07 AM
1

This is good news, both in terms of policy and in terms of media coverage.
/r/MensRights02/12/15 07:54 AM
6

Good point. With the Big Biz and Military Industrial Complex I got the impression that this cartoon was designed to have an appeal beyond the normal "choir."
/r/MensRights01/12/15 06:31 PM
9

Lol, I was expecting a TED Talk like stage and lighting. Oh well, the smeared chalkboard and obsolete slide projector in the background will have to do. The fact that this even happened is a huge victory.
/r/MensRights01/12/15 04:09 AM
3

Women want men to protect them. When MRA's bring up men's issues, many women (with the assistance of feminists) interpret that as saying, "We won't protect you." Ultimately, genes and/or culture goes against the MRA story.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 06:10 AM
1

Wait, so the bus driver is instructing the kids to do this? Ask your kid, he should know.
/r/MensRights19/11/15 05:32 AM
1

I don't see IRL protesting playing a useful role for the movement. Any effective protest would have to be centered around ONE issue, but I think too many men would be embarrassed to protest key issues, such as false rape allegations (people might think you've been accused of rape), domestic violence ("gee, look at those pussies"), or anti-feminism ("So, you don't want women to vote?"). There are plenty of things that can be done that doesn't involve traditional protesting. If you're in school, s…
/r/MensRights18/11/15 06:06 AM
2

I floated this story past some SJW friends and even they thought this went too far. Please share/post/retweet this link along with some commentary. The SJWs won't have much of a rebuttal to it and it clearly makes them look terrible. Furthermore, I suspect that even feminists with boys might find this repugnant. Bookmark it and bust it out occasionally in the future.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 01:34 AM
9

the scary thing is that all this logically follows from SJW stances on adult inequality. If you want to impose equality of outcomes, you actually do have to start indoctrination at a very young age (not that I support that).
/r/MensRights17/11/15 07:27 PM
2

so, I take it there's no video archiving service? We should come up with a procedure for dealing with videos we don't want to give clicks to.
/r/MensRights17/11/15 03:19 AM
1

So the feminists, as usual, go mum for a week or two. I think the real reason they go mum for a week is that they realize it would be in poor taste (and would backfire) to take this tragedy and use it to try to score political points. Furthermore, the news is crowded with Paris talk, thus making it harder to have their message heard. We would be wise to be similarly cautious. It's actually unfortunately that International Men's Day will be somewhat overshadowed by this event.
/r/MensRights17/11/15 03:16 AM
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Think we're gonna see some massive celebration of masculinity because of it? No, because it will be negated by the fact that most the terrorists were men. In the current climate, it will be easier to celebrate masculinity when men are saving women from something aside from other men, such as fires, wild animals, etc. Bringing up gender roles in this scenario is break-even at best.
/r/MensRights17/11/15 03:09 AM
2

I think people on this forum have helped raise awareness simply through their participation here and on other commenting platforms and social media. Their "views", "likes" and retweets also help build up the MRM and anti-feminists like Straughan, Sargon, Sommers (and perhaps Cassie Jaye), who in turn have a larger effect. In my perception, men's issues are gaining more traction in the MSM, and I think much of this has to do with a strong grass-roots internet movement. I know it sounds silly, but…
/r/MensRights16/11/15 05:39 AM
2

I think there's a much more simple explanation. According to SJW philosophy, your social standing in the SJW world is directly related to your level of "oppression." Thus, claiming oppression has become incentivized. found new ways to appear unique and different in the crowd. I disagree with this assessment. Most SJWs I know and have heard about are big time conformists. They actually don't want to be "different" from the SJW brethren. However, they want to rise up in the hierarchy by performing…
/r/MensRights16/11/15 05:32 AM
0

For people who don't like collectivism but are unfamiliar with feminism, it would be useful for them to know that feminism is collectivist. More importantly, it is a philosophical trait of feminism that is often overlooked and therefore not discussed. By applying a word to this trait, it draws attention to it. I think it's important for MRAs to be able point out and discuss the philosophical underpinnings of feminism, especially since such collectivism goes against traditional Western values.
/r/MensRights16/11/15 05:15 AM
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This is the perfect opportunity to drive these points home - and many more - regardless of how you feel about it. I just don't see any strategic advantage to anything you're saying. In fact, I see a ton of effective feminists rebuttals, and even MRA criticism, to what you are implying. Also, in what capacity did men protect women in this scenario? Is there some high-profile story of random men protecting women? Here are some straight-forward critiques to what you are suggesting: You: "Male polic…
/r/MensRights15/11/15 07:29 PM
1

I never said they were synonymous (i.e., identical). There are different ideologies that can fall under collectivism. For example, both Nazis and Neo-Progressives are collectivist, though they are substantively different in many ways. Actually, I imagine there could be a form of MRA that is collectivist (thus sharing a trait with feminism), but fortunately that isn't the dominant strand in the MRM.
/r/MensRights15/11/15 07:11 PM
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I don't get your point. Feminists could easily say that radical Islam is just an extreme form of patriarchy and that this attack shows that there needs to be feminism in the Middle East.
/r/MensRights15/11/15 05:39 AM
2

feminism is collectivist in the sense that is anti-individualistic (see the first paragraph in wikipedia). Group traits take precedence over indivdual traits when evaluating social conditions and recommending policy. Thus, in feminism, the fact that a particular man is poor is not enough to overcome his membership in the "men" category, which on average earns more than the "woman" category. Thus, such a poor man is in no need of public help because his group as a whole is in no need of such help…
/r/MensRights15/11/15 05:24 AM
5

in other news, the terrorists were known to be reading MRA sites prior to the massacre /s
/r/MensRights15/11/15 04:44 AM
1

The "challenges" enfold up distracting from the cause. Simple things like changing you Facebook avatar are much more effective at generating awareness and peer pressure. Not shaving is closer to changing your avatar than dumping ice water on yourself.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 11:40 PM
1

what grade level is this?
/r/MensRights14/11/15 06:46 PM
2

I'm sorry for my misleading post. The graphic above refers to degrees "earned", not actual money earnings. I should have said, "out achieving." Yes, men earn more, on average mostly due to certain career choices. Women could earn more by entering the right fields and increasing their hours worked. However, this might not make them happier. I know many educated women who consciously earn and work less in order to spend more time at home.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 01:30 AM
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If the husband is pulling his weight on the home front, helping to take care of the kids and the household, I doubt there is much marital strife. From what I've seen, this still causes problems. I have a lot of highly educated, female friends. In the cases where the man is the "house husband" and the cases where the man is part-time worker and part-time "house husband", that becomes a serious source of friction in the relationship. And most these women consider themselves feminist. I could be wr…
/r/MensRights14/11/15 01:25 AM
1

though only recently has the aggregate numbers reached parity, women began out-earning men in terms of college degrees in 1981: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-REGjzKeq_LY/T53intthiXI/AAAAAAAARXw/PHTklVvROe8/s1600/degrees1.jpg
/r/MensRights14/11/15 12:19 AM
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no one thought it was a national crisis to have more college educated men than women in America all the way up to 2010. That may be because the "problem" was already well on its way to a solution seeing how more women were going to college starting in the 1980s. If you didn't see Lurker_IV's link, here's a key graphic: https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/collegegap.jpg when more men than ever in American history are currently getting 4 year college degrees, can we really say that this…
/r/MensRights14/11/15 12:13 AM
5

Trendy awareness campaigns are what works.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 11:04 PM
3

It's a great thing that she included the trailer. That's great publicity, albeit put into the wrong context. The funny thing is that any woman who reads this article and thinks, "Oh, Red Pill guys sound sexy!" will be sorely disappointed when she watches the trailer. Red pill theory is based on film The Matrix Based on the movie? "Took its name from the movie," perhaps?
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:14 PM
2

link? But if true, I'm guessing its because it's related to style considerations...
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:01 PM
5

This graph is misleading in the context you bring it up. Of "Americans 25 and over" includes 55-year-olds who grew up in a time when more men were going to college. What is relevant to MRAs is the percent of people of age, say, 22-27, who have completed 4 years. Those numbers should show a female advantage, i.e., the female advantage among younger cohorts is so strong that it overpowers the male advantage in older cohorts.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 09:52 PM
10

Slate: "Men need to talk openly about actual problems they face." (MRAs proceed to talk about actual problems men face.) Slate: "Those MRAs need to shut the fuck up (Because men need feminism to talk about problems that men face... and their main problem is their poor treatment of women.)"
/r/MensRights13/11/15 06:13 PM
3

Exactly. Probably more boys would be interested in computers and programming if it were framed in terms of cyber warfare and espionage. Robotics? Obviously for the sake of robot battles.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 05:44 PM
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"girls need a safe space" + "girls need to be included" + "boys are in the junior patriarchy" + I don't see boys wanting to go to an all-girls event. So I'm pessimistic about turning the tables on this one, although it'll be interesting to see what the courts say. In the meanwhile, maybe we can come up with indirect ways to create "boys" events. "ADHD students at risk STEM night"?
/r/MensRights13/11/15 09:23 AM
3

So, suppose there is a union between Black Rights Activists (BRAs) and feminists. What could come of it that hasn't already happened? Keep in mind that for this coalition to survive, feminists would have to keep BRAs happy, and vice versa. Maybe I'm a bit too optimistic, but I just see this as SJWs pickup up "pet" issues when they come up. A few months later some other issue will come up and feminists will go running towards that issue, not so much as feminists, but as SJWs.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 04:28 AM
2

when is the debate?
/r/MensRights13/11/15 02:59 AM
1

the central problem is the embrace of collectivism and identity politics, at the expense of individualism. Everything else follows logically from there. I think Sargon nailed it with his recent videos on Liberalism and Neo-Progressivism.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 01:08 AM
1

I wonder how much of this is black feminists, rather than black women.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 12:55 AM
7

too bad the headline didn't describe her as a "feminist professor."
/r/MensRights13/11/15 12:33 AM
2

not really. From what I remember, most production decisions are in the hands of the private sector, so I wouldn't call the EU system socialist. btw, I recommend the book "The Road to Serfdom", for an argument regarding socialist decision making. It's short and a classic.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 12:15 AM
2

Socialism is inherently divisive. In this case, instead of arguing about which industry should be given resources, they are arguing about which gender.
/r/MensRights12/11/15 08:50 PM
1

I don't see the all-male football teams going on strike against rape culture. I think it would be very hard to turn a race movement into a face+gender movement because doing so would reduce the size of its membership (in this case, alienating black males). I agree with the OP that getting administration to buy into the "systematic oppression" is a win for SJWs, but most schools already seem to buy into that idea, so this isn't really a new development.
/r/MensRights12/11/15 09:34 AM
2

I'm a bit confused about the distribution timeline. When does she plan on releasing it to the general public?
/r/MensRights12/11/15 04:05 AM
6

wow, imagine if a Black Rights club had to give "guarantees" they wouldn't rob White people. Stupid.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 10:38 PM
1

I just don't see online death threats being very compelling. They'll have to include a car bomb going off, an IRL stalker, and maybe bring John Malkovic out of retirement to play a creepy bad guy.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 10:26 PM
3

Would this movie even be marketable? How could they dramatize online harassment?
/r/MensRights10/11/15 08:56 PM
3

you could say that you practice abstinence, and that sexual assault classes implicitly condone premarital sex. Further, you can argue for an abstinence-only program. (Basically, it's an analog of the anti-condom argument.)
/r/MensRights10/11/15 08:31 PM
1

yeah, but I figure a complaint would be taken more seriously if it's backed up by proof that could be used to win lawsuit.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 08:27 PM
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and I could claim that they would have allowed a woman to do it. i think you might need proof of this. Maybe get a girl to ask the same thing, or pretend to be a girl. Also, religious exemption? Also, try to get other guys to resist, as well.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 10:47 AM
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They are relentless and finding patriarchy everywhere. This reeks of privileged people with nothing better to do.
/r/MensRights10/11/15 05:00 AM
1

but why those expectations and not the reverse? Arguably, it is underlying traits from evolution that is the ultimate cause. Look up some videos with Gad Saad on youtube for a thorough explanation
/r/MensRights09/11/15 11:49 PM
1

there are downsides to women's position as well. Their mate value declines faster with age, and as their income rises they find it harder to find a mate. They can equally claim "unfairness."
/r/MensRights09/11/15 11:35 PM
2

I agree women have a right to work. Just to be clear, when I speak of gender roles, I'm not talking about seperate legal rights, I'm talking about what cultural expectations we will tolerate and promote.
/r/MensRights09/11/15 11:29 PM
1

but how does this apply in practice? If feminists attack traditional gender roles (such as male breadwinners), what should the MRA response be? From what I noticed, the MRA reply to the pay gap myth is, at its core, a defense of a gender role.
/r/MensRights09/11/15 11:04 PM
1

No they can't because there isn't a damn thing you can do when she changes her mind. that's why I would recommend to men, "Be prepared to be a bread winner, or at least be an equal earner, or don't get married... for your own sake." part of the reason why i stopped posting here is because the movement is overrun IMO with tradcons. Really? How so? I've found plenty of anti-tradcon sentiment here. This very pro-tradcon thread is listed highest among "controversial", so it seems like there are like…
/r/MensRights09/11/15 09:30 PM
1

it's all about how it's packaged. I could easily see a Republican saying, "We're not going to let these deadbeats cool their heels in jail instead of being out there working, paying taxes, and supporting their child." I can also see Democrats being opposed to this saying, "Failing to support your child is a crime that we won't let go unpunished." I'm not sure the specifics of the bill, but even assuming that we let child support debt accumulate, even conservative economists realize the incentive…
/r/MensRights09/11/15 06:28 AM
5

If feminists are going to discount choices then they must acknowledge workplace deaths. If they are going to acknowledge choices then they can't push the 77% argument. We should not allow feminists to have it both ways. If they decry the 77% wage gap then it's fair for MRAs to push the workplace-death argument.
/r/MensRights09/11/15 02:30 AM
3

yeah, but there are both men and women who are non-feminist. They should be able to set whatever standards (including tradcon) they want. Or are you already assuming feminists have won?
/r/MensRights08/11/15 09:48 PM
3

Most women aren't feminists, so I think it's fair for them to want a traditional courtship and/or family life.
/r/MensRights08/11/15 08:06 PM
1

Take this with a grain of salt. They just want to oppose Obama on basically anything. If a Republican president floated this idea, there wouldn't be much opposition of Republicans, and you'd probably see resistance from Demos.
/r/MensRights08/11/15 08:03 PM
9

Brilliant. So when they finally accept 50% of DV is done by women, it is reinterpreted as women defending themselves.
/r/MensRights08/11/15 07:43 PM
9

this article suggests that men are avoiding college because of rape accusations. This a is a leap of logic and unsupported in the article. Just because some men may be avoiding rape accusations, doesn't mean that that is what is driving the trend. More likely, declining male enrollment is caused by something else. I would like to see a study that tries to identify the impact of rape accusations on male enrollment. Also, I'd like to see if there are more applications sent to all-men's colleges. U…
/r/MensRights08/11/15 07:31 PM
1

funny how facebook is, in effect, the internet's identification authority. Do they detect fake accounts?
/r/MensRights08/11/15 05:31 AM
1

I think 30 minutes would actually be most effectively spent on the internet. Plenty to do, such as writing letters to journalists, commenting, contributing to online databases, speaking out on social media, etc. IRL activism takes more time and 30 minutes is barely commute time.
/r/MensRights07/11/15 11:15 PM
0

Imagine the SJW outrage if the kid happened to be Native American...
/r/MensRights07/11/15 06:53 AM
1

like the tech world, there's some overcompensation going on.
/r/MensRights07/11/15 05:18 AM
12

"But women are the key to humanity's survival! Oh wait, I'm reducing women to reproductive objects and caretakers! Help!"
/r/MensRights06/11/15 08:31 PM
1

That means you're not obsessed with race, gender and sexual identity politics. That's a good thing :)
/r/MensRights06/11/15 08:24 PM
1

Jonathan, in any of those 100 is there a case of a Black male accused by a White female? I hate to bring race into it, but a story like that would generate much more sympathy and coverage than if the accused were white.
/r/MensRights06/11/15 01:19 AM
6

We need to re-package the story as, "Feminist filmmaker harassed online by White male after gay man shows support."
/r/MensRights06/11/15 12:21 AM
1

There's no need for coverage. The good 'ol boys network will make sure we watch the movie at the next Patriarchy meeting.
/r/MensRights06/11/15 12:17 AM
2

I think it's important that when we say "feminism" we mean specifically Third Wave. Second Wave (e.g., legal equality) no longer needs to be called "feminist." It is "normal." Most people support it, and as such, there is no need to give it a label other than something like "egalitarian." We also need to hold the Third Wavers accountable and not let them hide behind the good actions of their predecessors. It reminds me of how modern U.S. Republicans brag about having ended slavery while simultan…
/r/MensRights05/11/15 07:32 PM
0

Jackie made specific claims against a specific organization and a specific person regarding a specific event, which necessarily entailed specific punishments. The university then forced frats to close. this guy claiming that male computer scientists should immediately stop mentoring female subordinates or even so much as speaking to them From what I gathered, he was recommending to not be alone with a woman, which is far from not talking to them. It's simply acting prudently, and something many …
/r/MensRights05/11/15 07:22 PM
2

It is possible to support feminism and MRA at the same time, because the problems both genders face are not mutually exclusive. Depends what you mean by "feminism." Most MRAs support things like equal protection under the law and protection from discrimination. But what most MRAs think of when they hear "feminism" is the persistent demonization of men, patriarchy theory, legal discrimination against men, censorship, indoctrination and the wholesale dismissal of men's issues. That is the type of …
/r/MensRights05/11/15 07:13 PM
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Sargon and Thunderf00t are not MRAs because they don't talk much about men's issues. If they do, it's only tangentially. They are anti-feminist, which is a necessary (imo) but not sufficient condition for being an MRA. lovely that I'm being down-voted for defending the idea of supporting Men's Rights on a Men's Rights website. Incredible. You got downvoted for insisting what others should feel compelled to bear our label. Let people do what they want and just be happy we have these great guys on…
/r/MensRights05/11/15 08:13 AM
3

She makes the (common) leap of logic that, because most pole hoggers are men, then all men must have some feeling of entitlement to public space. She further assumes that the men that are doing this are doing it against women, rather than against anyone else, man or woman. Standard BS. Well, at least "man" isn't in the buzzword.
/r/MensRights05/11/15 08:07 AM
2

I love this entire series because it addresses the foundation of feminist/SJW thinking, rather than just specific issues.
/r/MensRights05/11/15 07:53 AM
1

In the U.S., I wouldn't be surprised if they allow for consent classes and gender studies classes to "count towards" your innocence, should you happen to be accused. As men "voluntarily" sign up for such courses, it will be used to justify further funding and expanding such programs.
/r/MensRights05/11/15 06:49 AM
3

waiting for the "news" stories claiming MRAs are boycotting Canada because of this.
/r/MensRights05/11/15 06:34 AM
1

I don't see her backstabbing anti-feminists/MRAs. At the very least, it would be a bad business since those are the most promising audience demographics. I don't think any amount of editing gymnastics would be sufficient to bring in a significant feminist audience, given the title, the backers, and the subjects. Add to this selfish motive, is just pure human decency. She would have to be a terrible person to pull a bait and switch, especially given how much contact she's had with MRAs. Any stati…
/r/MensRights05/11/15 05:48 AM
2

Even better would be "maester."
/r/MensRights05/11/15 05:39 AM
0

activities such as complaining about discrimination.
/r/MensRights05/11/15 05:32 AM
0

so when will the left criticize SJWs? Until then, it looks like conservatives are key allies.
/r/MensRights05/11/15 05:21 AM
8

no, I think the attacks (by one guy) started after the movie got it's main funding. The donations poured in when Milos wrote a story about Cassie having funding problems because feminists weren't supporting it. That's a far cry from Cassie screaming, "harassment."
/r/MensRights05/11/15 05:12 AM
3

One big difference though is that when MRAs attack false allegations, there's usually a specific person suffering a specific fate (such as student being expelled). In this article, no specific person has been accused or suffering from a punishment. This article is more like a "watch your back because some nebulous group is out to get you."
/r/MensRights05/11/15 01:15 AM
1

No, I think feminists will have to tread carefully here, and I think their current silence (aside from Futrelle) shows that they are. I think they'll paint Cassie as someone who was duped and instead go after the interviewees, especially the men. There will also be memes and articles attempting to debunk what is said, which isn't a bad thing because at least it will be on topic.
/r/MensRights04/11/15 08:05 AM
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"Here's to men's health," as men put mustard on their fatty, processed, nitrate-laden hotdog. Oh well, it's something.
/r/MensRights04/11/15 07:54 AM
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I didn't know that. I'll look into it. Thanks.
/r/MensRights04/11/15 05:43 AM
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that's fine, but keep in mind that one of the recommended readings for this sub is an evo-psych book ("The Blank Slate"). those guys are as credible as creationists Evo-psych generates testable hypotheses. Creationism does not. That's a huge difference. You lost me at Evo-Psych. I always hear dismissive comments about Evo-Psych, especially from SJWs. But I rarely hear any substantive criticism. Care to offer any?
/r/MensRights03/11/15 09:21 PM
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A little more: I like this book because it mostly focuses on gender differences. Chapter 2 to 7 (out of 8) discuss some specific topic related to gender differences. I like how the book often details how the other discusses methodology, from theory, to hypothesis, to evidence, and explicitly compares evo-psych with the "Standard Social Science Model" (SSSM) and even feminism and patriarchy theory. It had some interesting tidbits, such as: -How both male scientists and male criminals become less …
/r/MensRights03/11/15 09:13 PM
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part of the problem is that feminism promotes a type of denial and repression. In the past, older men and women would inform young women, "You know, when you get older, you'll want to have a kid and focus more on home stuff." But these nuggets of wisdom have been branded as patriarchy. So instead, every generation has to re-learn the same hard lessons.
/r/MensRights03/11/15 06:32 PM
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I'm offering up a credible solution for men to alter those stats for the future It's not a credible solution if it requires men to collude with one another, which you're assuming is possible. It isn't. If enough men decide to only marry up, that means there will be some attractive low-earning women that are single. And that means I'm going to break my pact with the guys so I can hook up with the low-earning hotties. Of course, a bunch of other guys will have the same idea. Therefore, your plan w…
/r/MensRights03/11/15 08:18 AM
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and perhaps a few wise men who foresee future dissatisfaction on the part of the high-earning wife.
/r/MensRights03/11/15 08:11 AM
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This. I suspect feminists turn into tradcons once they're married with children. For the sake of both husband and wife, they should both be aware that this will happen and plan/reconsider accordingly.
/r/MensRights03/11/15 08:08 AM
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yeah, I remember thinking we might be too harsh on their assertion. They did have some supporting evidence, but I honestly didn't bother to follow up on it. It's possible we blew off a totally legit claim. I like the idea of the one blue guitar string, so that's too bad.
/r/MensRights03/11/15 04:56 AM
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I downvoted because it's mostly incorrect. Pro-MRA posters and articles are frequently criticized by commentrs here for insufficient empirical support, misogynists are routinely downvoted to collapse, and many posts relate to racism and classism.
/r/MensRights03/11/15 01:12 AM
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yup. Like that one article that said feminists were trying to undermine Cassie Jaye. Commenters slammed the article for not providing evidence. Or that "1 in 6" guitar string campaign where commenters mostly rejected that number very readily. I'm impressed with the level of skepticism here.
/r/MensRights03/11/15 01:07 AM
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Try to privately recruit members first, so that you're not by your self when trying to start it publicly. If possible, find members and issues that will offer you political protection. For example, men of color, gay men, and veterans would be nice to have. Also remember that female MRAs are very powerful to have.
/r/MensRights02/11/15 07:39 PM
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feel free to give us some timestamps of note!
/r/MensRights30/10/15 03:35 AM
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Looking ahead: should we try to reclaim the term "Red Pill" in anticipation of increased search traffic? get ready for the pro-feminist counter documentary that will claim to "debunk" Cassie's movie or steal its thunder.
/r/MensRights28/10/15 12:02 AM
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If she makes a hit-piece, her career as a documentary filmmaker is over. or she could be the new Michael Moore. Not that I think that will happen.
/r/MensRights27/10/15 11:57 PM
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has this ever happened to a significant degree? Especially with regard to concerted efforts to undermind a project?
/r/MensRights27/10/15 11:39 PM
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that's what I was wondering. Pretty scary if true.
/r/MensRights22/10/15 07:00 PM
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We should get a "cute non-feminists" perpetual thread going.
/r/MensRights22/10/15 05:17 PM
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I suspect it is more likely that women have already obtained every privilege available to them. Feminists are hard at work inventing new privileges to gain. Anyone distancing themselves from them is a plus. Having said that, interesting observation you've made.
/r/MensRights22/10/15 04:41 PM
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or people who google "the red pill," then browse TRP, then think, "Oh, so this movie is about those pick up artist guys." Then they either watch it and are disappointed about these whining manginas, or they don't watch it because they wanted to hear about social issues.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 07:47 PM
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Ignorance is not the same thing as dumb. There are plenty of people who are ignorant of the MRM and TRP, and those are the most important people to reach.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 07:40 PM
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it would be awful if I donated money to get a particular message out, and instead a different message was sent out (whether or not I agreed with it). I agree with much of TRP, however I also think it doesn't address all the things I'm interested in.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 07:36 PM
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the more we engage, the less they can run their mouth offs unchallenged. Feminism became a dominant ideology precisely because not enough people challenged it. Now it's gotten to the point that if you challenge it you're branded as a hater. Fortunately there are still people out there who are in a position to challenge them without fear of real retaliation. Sarkeesian wants to regulate internet speech. We shouldn't take our attention off her.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 07:30 PM
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mra's are the only ones talking about this conflation and so are conflating it. You're not making sense. If MRAs "conflated" the two they wouldn't be aware enough to talk about other people potentially "conflating" it. What you're contending is happening is literally impossible. Quit defending the movie because you're doing a terrible job of it.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 08:48 AM
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Dude, you're whining about the (supposed) whining. MRAs get accused of "whining" when they complain about discrimination and work-place deaths. Giving constructive criticism over the title is nothing in comparison. At the moment the people making the inaccurate conflation are mras. Wrong. They are making the distinction, and predicting the conflation (or total mis-identification). Relax. And don't try to blame me if this thing doesn't get funded. Take a deep breath.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 08:26 AM
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I'm not conflating the two. I'm saying other people will. They will google "the red pill" and find that sub. And if they haven't seen the movie yet, they probably won't be able to tell it's the wrong sub. Another plausible scenario is that they get roped into TRP when they get there and become apolitical, which is bad for MRM.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 08:15 AM
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but people will only hear MRA "whining" if they come to this sub. And if they come to this sub then there's no need for them to see the documentary. The real battle ground is for neutrals, who aren't here yet to witness such "whining."
/r/MensRights21/10/15 08:09 AM
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Thunderf00t is making an important point-- the people who are harassing him are effectively threatening everyone else with getting fired if they dare to challenge the SJWs. If Thunderf00t can shame, ridicule or sue these people into ceasing their harassment tendencies he will clear the space for others to criticize SJWs without fear of real world retribution.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 07:59 AM
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but at least we do care about boys. So that's a good place to start.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 05:52 AM
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if people google "the red pill" that subreddit will be the top result. The documentary was at the bottom of my page 1 rearch result. Hopefully it will rise several spots in the future. Also, for nonredditors "the red pill" is too vague, imo.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 04:53 AM
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"How much sales do you think you're going to lose out on due to the cryptic and misleading title?"
/r/MensRights21/10/15 02:38 AM
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let's beg her to change the name. Or at least add a subtitle.
/r/MensRights21/10/15 12:24 AM
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MRM focuses on legal issues. As far as I can tell, TRP does not. It seems to accept the legal environment and focus on individual attainment within it. Both movements have their uses.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 06:26 AM
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I'm all in favor of positive media. I just think it would be even more positive if the documentary's name weren't both cryptic and misleading. Even something as bland as "Men's Rights Activists: Backlash to Feminism" would be both informative and compelling to both sides as well as those in between.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 03:05 AM
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no, it just creates more confusion, which will be exploited by anti-MRAs. If the movie comes out, I hope TRP puts up a sticky to clarify the distinction.
/r/MensRights18/10/15 07:56 PM
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It is standard for SJW's to go out of their way to attack MRA's supposed intentions. This is convenient for them since accusations of bad intention are usually unfalsifiable. Is our only correct response to steer them back to actually addressing the issues? Or is there a parallel strategy that we can pursue?
/r/MensRights18/10/15 07:46 PM
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I wonder how much this had to do with the name change.
/r/MensRights17/10/15 09:15 AM
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We might have to start small with just "TED Boys." Some people can appreciate boys and boys' issues. But "TED Men" will be perceived as redundant by most people, for the usual reasons.
/r/MensRights16/10/15 07:25 AM
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I re-posted this link to Sargon of Akkad's new video series to emphasize the importance of studying and attacking the intellectual foundations of SJWs. We need to start thinking about how to counter each of these foundations and to consciously take shots at those foundations when we debate with feminists, especially with an audience present. How do we get people to break out of (or avoid) the identity politics mindset and begin to respect individuals? How do we expose political correctness as an…
/r/MensRights16/10/15 07:08 AM
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congress will never go for it. Any such bill would probably never make it to the floor. A lawsuit, however....
/r/MensRights16/10/15 01:33 AM
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kinda defeats the purpose of opening up combat positions to women...
/r/MensRights16/10/15 01:31 AM
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With the Internet if you want to educate yourself you do not need a University or a degree! It's not just about the learning; it's about having something you can put on a resume.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 01:09 AM
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I think it's more about the type of students these programs attract.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 01:02 AM
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how about wrestling her to the ground then cue the sexy music? On a related topic, in general it would be wise for men to learn wrestling as self defense against women since it does not involve hitting or otherwise harming the person.
/r/MensRights14/10/15 08:29 AM
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Even if this is sympathetic to the MRM, won't this just be preaching to the choir? Of does it have "swing vote" potential?
/r/MensRights14/10/15 07:27 AM
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Women subject to the draft? Obviously the draft must be unconstitutional!
/r/MensRights14/10/15 07:22 AM
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I second thunderf00t. He's both smart and funny and has pretty good production value. He'll intersperse clips, mostly from his opponents, with his commentary. He's pretty good with the sarcasm and satire, as well.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 06:11 AM
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Traditional masculinity is exemplified by the army guy who took 7 bullets to his body trying to protect his classmates. Traditional masculinity would kick a guy's ass for harming a girl. The Oregon shooter was a "beta" (or "omega"), which suggests a lack of masculinity, not excess of it.
/r/MensRights10/10/15 06:45 AM
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so maybe Canada is a glimpse into the future of the U.S.: As feminism continues to gain more traction in the U.S., hopefully more U.S.-based MRAs will rise in prominence.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 05:57 AM
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Or maybe they are more whipped, which caused an MRA backlash.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 05:55 AM
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I would say that number should be even lower due to the tendency for geographic and social racial segregation.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 11:55 PM
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I'm not sure where I stand on this one. Stand, get it?
/r/MensRights03/10/15 05:12 AM
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In a similar trend, both underweight and short women also reported fewer sexual partners than bigger peers. This seems to be a contradiction. Shouldn't short women get the most guys since there are more guys that are taller than them?
/r/MensRights02/10/15 05:43 AM
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Here's an "optimistic" hypothesis: He walked into a classroom that was mostly female (because of the subject matter, or because of the school's overall demographics), and that's the only reason he only killed women. Any info to falsify/verify this? Were there any men shot in the leg?
/r/MensRights02/10/15 05:28 AM
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To get her to shut up ASAP: If she's white, tell her to quit with her white feminism. Tell her that her white feminist views are racist (i.e., her "sagging jeans" comment) and Eurocentric (how about addressing Third World feminist issues, rather than First World problems?). Tell her to check her white feminist privilege. Change the topic to race, class or LGBTQ, which are certainly more urgent issues than her white feminist concerns. If she refuses to go along, that's her white feminism being ra…
/r/MensRights01/10/15 07:13 AM
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yeah, that's how I expect real change to happen. As women earn more, they will have to cough up more money and politicians will finally take notice.
/r/MensRights30/09/15 06:38 PM
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Here's a site with some references. I'm not sure if it's associated with this company though. https://1in6.org/the-1-in-6-statistic/
/r/MensRights30/09/15 04:38 PM
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The good news is that in the HuffPo comments section most commenters, including women, seemed to be in favor of getting police involved. Many posters were shocked that people would oppose this bill. And there were many men and women arguing for due process and rights of the accused. This is one of those feminist issues that doesn't resonate well with normal women (unlike, say, the "pay gap" issue). Feminists will look dumb if they make a lot of noise about this issue. So I hope they do.
/r/MensRights30/09/15 07:44 AM
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What I really don't get i this sudden insistence that people not just be on your side, but also have exactly the same politics you do. It's actually really important to feminists. God forbid that someone shows you can be a good liberal without being a feminist. Feminists want feminism to be essential, not optional, for being a good liberal (or person).
/r/MensRights29/09/15 06:50 PM
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It's a brilliant move: Set up the strawman and watch as people stampede away from that characterization ("I better not mention false accusations or people might think I'm a brogressive.")
/r/MensRights29/09/15 06:39 PM
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Now that feminists are a dominant ideological force they can build their numbers through intimidation rather than inclusiveness or rational discussion. In particular, they can bully liberals/progressives by threatening to annul their feminist credentials, effectively excommunicating them.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 06:35 PM
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this is my main concern about the decline of organized religion. I'm worried that some people actually have a need for it and they will fill the void with another ideology that is, for all intents and purposes, another religion.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 06:13 PM
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The scary thing is that these people could be very intelligent, yet they have realized that these type of articles meme better and manipulate more effectively. We should at least give them props for being amazing propagandists. I would actually like too see the MRM do more of this sort of stuff.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 05:59 PM
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Femtitlement. That's a good one. It should go into some sort of glossary in the sidebar. Seriously.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 05:42 PM
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Keep in mind that Marxists believe everything comes down to class and economics; race and gender relations are just byproducts of that. Thus, Marxism is actually at odds with standard SJW theory, and both sides are aware of it.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 06:45 AM
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depends on what "progressive" even means. I've always associated it with class issues, rather than race/gender. I suppose the feminist author is trying to make identity politics play a more prominent role under the progressive banner. I'm not naive enough to think that a country of 300 million can survive in the same way a country of 5 million can. All else being equal, a country of 300 million can be much more prosperous (per person) because it allows for more internal trade and specialization,…
/r/MensRights29/09/15 06:08 AM
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Feminists are very good at coining terms and using it as a substitute for an actual argument. Unfortunately, it's politically effective.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 04:59 AM
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Sweet. Now college guys just have to form an "exchange program" so they can hook up with girls at different colleges.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 04:29 AM
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this was about women without high school degrees. That's probably not the type of people trying to defy traditional gender roles.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 04:14 AM
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The University of California's attempt to ban intolerant speech.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 10:29 PM
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Yeah, and White supremacy is better for all races. There's really no need for the NAACP when you have the Aryan Nation fighting for everyone. /s
/r/MensRights28/09/15 06:09 AM
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Simply remaining on the internet, trying to raise awareness won't work. I somewhat disagree. The past few years has shown that internet activism can be very effective (if not always wise). I think the sudden rise in feminism is in large part due to social media and women's greater predilection to "share" links. Cecil the Lion, Memories Pizza, and now Ahmed the Clock Maker are similar phenomena. The most effective thing you can do online is to be openly active in your own personal social media ci…
/r/MensRights28/09/15 05:03 AM
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"Female" is often used to encompass both "Woman" and "Girl." I'm not surprised the police and military might use "female" since often times it's not obvious whether a female is a woman (18+) or girl and making assumptions about it might be counterproductive (such as when trying to identify a suspect). Without using the word "females" people will have to say "women and girls," which is a pain in the ass. Same goes for "males." Also, I think a lot of political correctness about what words to use a…
/r/MensRights27/09/15 06:36 PM
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Wait, the author treats MGTOW as the same thing as The Red Pill. I thought they were distinct. Amirite?
/r/MensRights27/09/15 06:49 AM
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Although I assume being able to navigate unfamiliar territory is an important skill. By giving them a sneak peak you are effectively lowering the standards.
/r/MensRights26/09/15 05:06 AM
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So feminists group us with PUAs and TRP'ers. Who could we group in with feminists, if we wanted to pull the same trick? Female suicide bombers? Negligent moms? Statutory rapists?
/r/MensRights25/09/15 08:06 AM
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it makes them look like idiots to our eyes. To the MSM it's truth.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 07:59 AM
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internalized misogyny. Must be fixed... /s
/r/MensRights24/09/15 06:38 PM
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the problem with this is that people don't have to be "out" about their homosexuality. So what can really be happening is that "out" homosexuals earn more (in some countries.) This leads to the question, why would "out" people earn more or less than straight people? It could be that successful people feel that they have more slack to come out. Or it could be that confident people are both more willing to come out and to be more successful.
/r/MensRights24/09/15 06:37 PM
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"But she's going to be slut shamed, which is worse than any prison sentence." or maybe, "Males have more power than females, so it's a much bigger crime when a man rapes an underage girl. In fact, a woman can't rape an underage boy because rape requires power, which women don't have."
/r/MensRights24/09/15 05:38 PM
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feminism has a ton of logic to it, in the same way religion does. But in both cases, their logic is a closed system, resistant to outside testing. By the nature of their assumptions they cannot be proven false, which is why their ideology can survive for thousands of years. Contrast that to scientific hypotheses, which will often be disproved in some way. This is not a bad thing about science; it is what makes science useful and drives progress. A scientific theory does not have to be provable t…
/r/MensRights20/09/15 08:24 AM
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they also like to say men don't suffer "as much." Although I don't think that line would work in the case of suicide.
/r/MensRights20/09/15 07:47 AM
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slut walks are more about being against slut shaming. Thing that bugs me the most is that women are the biggest perpetrators of slut shaming.
/r/MensRights20/09/15 12:02 AM
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this article is subtly pro MRA. Did you see the graphic of men vs. women suicides in the article? I'm impressed that they showed it. this is probably a strategy we need to use and support more often.
/r/MensRights18/09/15 06:06 PM
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Feminists usually respond to men rights arguments with a knee-jerk hostility and anger. That suggests it's taken seriously. Ridicule does not rule out fear. If anything, it is a coping mechanism, and one that's not exclusive to feminists.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 11:44 PM
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Because "men are doing it to themselves." The assumption behind this thinking is that of collectivism. As if all men are really one organism that chooses to hurt itself.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 05:27 PM
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What an awesome ally! Smart and funny. Light, but to the point. And omg hot.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 06:33 AM
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MRAs are taken very seriously by feminists, because MRAs are viewed as a serious threat to their power (rightly so). It is for this reason that they are hostile to the idea of men's rights. Of course, their hostility is reinforced by society's traditional beliefs about masculinity.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 05:50 AM
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It's a sport, and sport is ultimately about entertainment. I think it would be entertaining to see co-ed sports teams compete. I suspect other people would too. That's why there's pairs figure skating. That's why mixed doubles tennis coexists along with men's and women's doubles.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 07:28 PM
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I'm pretty sure there would be a minimum number of females required. Think of it like mixed doubles tennis.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 06:11 PM
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this thread is proof that the reporter was misogynist /s
/r/MensRights14/09/15 05:51 PM
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I hear there are co-ed Ultimate Frisbee teams, and that the sport is trying to get into the Olympics partly as such. That would bbe interesting.
/r/MensRights14/09/15 05:49 PM
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I agree. I'm generally against affirmative action, but as long as it's around we should apply it to men as well.
/r/MensRights11/09/15 07:25 PM
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This raises an interesting question: Do you guys support affirmative action for men?
/r/MensRights11/09/15 08:15 AM
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Beyond a reasonable doubt Clear and convincing evidence Preponderance of evidence Could've done it
/r/MensRights11/09/15 02:40 AM
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This is practically a genre now: The guilty male bemoaning his multitude of privileges. I've read a bunch of them, but this is the worst so far. And his solution is totally counterproductive: There's nothing like a fat nest egg that makes people unambitious. "Go ahead an major in Art History because you have $3 million coming your way." He should have at least kept his plan a secret. If he really wanted his daughter to earn more money, he'd tell her, "When you're done with your bachelors degree,…
/r/MensRights09/09/15 06:23 PM
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Original link (It's a good article, so let's give it clicks). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11849100/Why-does-speaking-out-about-the-issues-men-face-always-trigger-a-furious-reaction.html
/r/MensRights08/09/15 06:19 PM
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Because doing so undermines the foundations of feminism. This, in turn, would shatter the egos of millions of SJWs and cast doubt upon the institutionalized, vested interests that feminism justifies. I don't see a way around this conflict, aside from the MRM turning into a mouthpiece for feminism.
/r/MensRights08/09/15 06:15 PM
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"I think the person who asked for the date should pay." "Have you ever asked a guy out?" "No." (Real conversation)
/r/MensRights08/09/15 04:34 AM
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that is totally fair. It's really only irking when feminists want the best of both worlds.
/r/MensRights08/09/15 04:31 AM
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but we mustn't clutch at straws when making the case, or we won't be taken seriously. Anecdotes are powerful on the internet. One good story is more powerful than a mountain of statistics. Sad but true. Feminism became a dominant political force based on this and a compelling narrative. Meanwhile, MRAs frequently use solid statistics and reasoning, yet are still not taken seriously. Let's not tie our hands unnecessarily.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 09:47 AM
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not sure I agree with this, but it's a fascinating idea.
/r/MensRights03/09/15 10:16 AM
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The HuffPo comment section: Guy makes rational argument. Feminist responds: "Oh my god, an MRA. Go back to Reddit." I had no idea what an "MRA" was, and I'd never been on Reddit before, so I decided to check out both.
/r/MensRights03/09/15 09:51 AM
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obviously this is proof that college women have internalized patriarchy and rape culture...
/r/MensRights02/09/15 07:11 AM
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from the first quote, it's probably both.
/r/MensRights28/08/15 08:06 AM
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Women are far more susceptible to being murdered at work than men. While women have a lower workplace fatality rate — there were 302 fatal workplace injuries involving female workers in 2013 — 22 percent of them involved a homicide, making it the leading cause of death. For men, just 8 percent related to a homicide The worst part is how the writer bent over backwards to avoid mentioning the number of male deaths.
/r/MensRights28/08/15 08:04 AM
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No. Just because the majority of those who are affected or those affected to the largest extent are men does not mean it is a Men's Rights Issue. Wow, that statement seems totally contrary to MRM. This is an important philosophical point, so it's worth discussing. The vast majority of suicides are male. Is that not an MRM issue? Legal gender neutrality does not imply it's a gender-neutral issue. For example, if the government put a cap on the number of hours someone can work, or how much they co…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 06:29 PM
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students on academic scholarships as the students on academic scholarships don't generate any revenue Academic scholars bring legitimacy and prestige to the school (which can ultimately lead to revenue). That's what they are being paid to do. It's a different "job" from an athlete in many ways, so I think it's an invalid comparison you are making in the first place. But, even if it were a valid comparison: So you're basically saying that as long as some other type of inequality exists, then any …
/r/MensRights14/08/15 06:13 PM
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so even when a man face problems, those are directly arising from men in power. That's proof that just because there are men in positions of power, that doesn't mean those few men are acting in the interests of men in general. Thus, the privilege of a handful of men does not imply privilege for the masses of men. Men's rights does not mean we oppose women; we oppose anyone antithetical to men's rights, whether they are man or woman.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 05:46 PM
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power through claiming powerlessness
/r/MensRights14/08/15 05:40 PM
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the evidence places the ball squarely in the court of female mating choices. "But women didn't have choice..."
/r/MensRights14/08/15 05:39 PM
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the zero percent of revenue men's athletes receive to the zero percent of revenue female athletes receive, the difference will always be zero Good athletes receive scholarships. Not only does tuition and room have monetary value, but scholarships often include a stipend of some sort. To avoid arguing over semantics, perhaps we can agree there's a "compensation" gap that is nonzero. No?
/r/MensRights14/08/15 01:11 AM
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it's not equal if male athletes pull in more revenue and prestige yet are being paid the same.
/r/MensRights13/08/15 11:23 PM
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Memes are our friends (when they're not our enemy). Someone do a fact check, though. I figured out how the author got the number: It's from 22 suicides every day since 1999, or 2236516.
/r/MensRights13/08/15 08:58 PM
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Sure, most men aren't top-level college athletes, but then again, most men aren't falsely accused of rape. College sports, especially men's sports, is big business in the U.S., and many athletes are compensated far below what would be their market value. Furthermore, many of these athletes are black and/or come from a disadvantaged background. More reading here: http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-ncaa-athletes-be-paid
/r/MensRights13/08/15 08:30 PM
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not if you don't look it
/r/MensRights12/08/15 12:23 AM
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(1) Hasn't this pretty much always been true. If so, it does explain the change in attitudes over this time period. (3) But has policing increased over the period of time that clubbing has declined? (4) Weren't cabs always expensive? And shouldn't the presence of Uber or other ride-shares make it easier to go clubbing? (2) Not sure about how we could measure the effect of this. But I'm thinking it would have more of a suppressing effect on bars and house parties, than big clubs. Edit: Fixed last…
/r/MensRights11/08/15 07:20 PM
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It has long been speculated the combination of red pill knowledge and growth of MGTOW would detrimentally affect the profits of clubs. Maybe we are starting to see that. It's probably technology that's driving the phenomena. Technology (social media, video streaming, hook up apps, etc) has raised the opportunity cost of going clubbing by creating low-cost alternatives, thus people do it less. A secondary effect may be stagnating wages for young people.
/r/MensRights11/08/15 07:15 PM
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understanding the opponents and/or potential allies of MRM is relevant to MRM. At the very least, feminists of color might provide us with some ammunition useable against the majority of feminists.
/r/MensRights11/08/15 06:17 PM
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Men who miss out on university also miss out on the debt burden. Men falling behind in education is actually part of patriarchy's plot against women.
/r/MensRights11/08/15 05:50 AM
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It's definitely dangerous to go that route, fighting fire with fire. But I was wondering if it's possible to invoke race when cutting down white feminists, while simultaneously advocating for men of all races. Regardless, we should be aware that an MRA of color would have significant protection against feminist counterattack or criticism. I actually think white feminists would be terrified of a black male MRA. He wouldn't even have to mention race issues to get SJWs to tread carefully lest they …
/r/MensRights11/08/15 05:40 AM
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First thing that came to mind is that MRAs of color could put white feminists on the defensive by getting them to "check their privilege." Of course, I don't know how many MRAs of color (MRAoC ?) there are...
/r/MensRights11/08/15 02:38 AM
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Complaining on the internet is how you get things done nowadays! Seriously. Ask Walter Palmer (aka the "Cecil" killer), or Tim Hunt, or the owners of Memories Pizza... There is no longer a clear line between "in real life" and the internet. Effective political groups realize this.
/r/MensRights11/08/15 01:55 AM
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MRM doesn't seem to want to thrust roles upon others, traditional or otherwise. But to the SJW mind, that is "approval" of the patriarchy.
/r/MensRights09/08/15 02:41 AM
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I think MRM is split on this one, with the most outspoken being against. However, if you believe in a genetic basis of gender differences you have to acknowledge that free people will tend to conform to traditional roles by simply pursuing their own preferences, and elimination of such roles would require countervailing ideology or legislation.
/r/MensRights09/08/15 02:29 AM
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"Why call it feminism if the "correct" meaning of the word is gender egalitarianism?" It's the general belief that women are behind on all the categories that matter, thus to achieve equality, the conditions for women, specifically, must be improved. So the emphasis is on women. Combine that with the idea that more specific terms, rather than more general, make for a more powerful political force. This is why they say #blacklivesmatter and not #alllivesmatter, or "gay rights" and not "human righ…
/r/MensRights07/08/15 09:05 AM
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which means our movement will be seen by reddit and the national media as a hate-movement it already is
/r/MensRights06/08/15 05:44 AM
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I'm just curious. How did his personal info get out when he tried to stay anonymous?
/r/MensRights06/08/15 03:51 AM
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Female virginity was prized historically because that was one way to increase certainty over paternity. In other words, you get a virgin bride, have sex with her, then you are pretty confident that her child is yours. Feminists might say that when a woman is devirginized, it's not so much the man "infecting" her, but rather the woman becoming "used goods." The analogy is relevant, since this is one way that women are viewed as baby-making objects, to be controlled by the man. I see where you're …
/r/MensRights05/08/15 09:08 AM
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no, identity politics (whether race, gender, etc.) is very much anti-individual. "Individualism" is considered hopelessly naive and dangerous. Of course, allegiance to the group is gained through opposition to some other group. Thus, there is a heavy element of hate in many of these groups. Of course, SJWs would probably say that they can't hate, because hate = antipathy + power, or something like that.
/r/MensRights04/08/15 07:08 AM
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I suspect many people here engage in social media by sharing, liking, and commenting MRA views. I know that sounds trivial, but don't underestimate it. I suspect the recent surge in both feminism and gay rights is driven mostly through social media. Nowadays, you can change the world behind your computer screen.
/r/MensRights04/08/15 05:32 AM
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Don't get too excited. High-level MMA in the U.S. is a virtual monopoly, headed by one guy. Rousey complaining about pay inequality is tantamount to her criticizing her boss. She isn't going to do that, for obvious reasons.
/r/MensRights03/08/15 09:27 AM
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Disagree about the promotion part. I think it would draw in feminists to the UFC. After all, feminists want women in the military, police and fire. Girl power! The downside is not her getting hurt; it's her getting hurt and losing. That makes everyone look bad, including the guy who beats her. Whereas, if she gets hurt but still wins, that makes an even better story. Of course, the UFC could pick a weak opponent, who she'd have a good chance against, but that might make it more of a circus event…
/r/MensRights03/08/15 09:08 AM
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we will have to be more accepting of other people's thoughts and ideologies. that is, unless those ideologies are being crammed down our throats through bullying, legislation and administrative power. Then it makes sense to criticize, no?
/r/MensRights01/08/15 11:29 PM
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yeah, but it's a matter of priority, emphasis and first reaction. Men are often perceived as cold and uncaring when they are thinking about how to fix or manage some problem, and they are often chastised unfairly for it. Read "Men Are from Mars, Women are from Venus." That pretty much sums it up.
/r/MensRights01/08/15 08:34 AM
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let's get some White parking while we're at it.
/r/MensRights01/08/15 08:18 AM
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pretty standard. The typical anti-death penalty narrative is that the accused is the victim of the system. But in the case of men (as a class), they presumably are the system, and presumably have complete agency, thus they deserve the harshest punishment.
/r/MensRights01/08/15 08:09 AM
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I'd be a listener. I tried listening to old episodes of A Voice for Men, but the personalities were terrible. That's what it really comes down to. The hosts have to also be entertainers as well as have chemistry between them. But I'm going to need your guys' help. A podcast done by one person isn't going to go anywhere. Not necessarily true. You can be responding to what others say in the news or in email. Cite them, then respond. Karen Straughan has this style down and she's a huge hit. Try it.…
/r/MensRights01/08/15 04:36 AM
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So these guys are supposed to sit around their parents' house, potentially for years, while their lawsuit against their former school goes through? Even if these guys want to clear their name, they should still be able to go to college while the legal process runs its course. This women helps guys get into college. There's no reason why these same guys can't hire another lawyer in parallel to sue their old school. You want these guys to be a martyrs for the MRM. I call bullshit on that. I don't …
/r/MensRights31/07/15 07:41 AM
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4-6% is what is left over after all other effects have been accounted for. They don't know with certainty what is causing this leftover gap. In such a situation, they resort to considering reasonable theories that might explain it. Discrimination is one such reasonable theory. To whittle away at the discrimination argument, you would have to present competing (theoretical) explanations. Some competing explanations are: "Compensating differentials" -- men take more unpleasant jobs, and are paid m…
/r/MensRights29/07/15 08:24 AM
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If you want to understand "society", stop thinking about society as a whole and start thinking about its components. It could very well be the case that women are equally as into sex as men are. However, women want to avoid the "slut" label, so they downplay their sexuality. Men aren't thought of as "sluts", but rather "studs", which makes them seem more desirable and raises their status among men and women. Therefore, men up-play their sexual activity or sexuality. The net result is that, by li…
/r/MensRights29/07/15 08:04 AM
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The only testimonies seem to come from the two female fighters and one of their coaches. All three have a reason to paint this guy as 100% guilty. I'd take this with a few grains of salt unless we hear from other witnesses or the victim. This is pretty scary, though. I suspect a woman who is trained in the martial arts might still be able to get away with beating up a guy without just cause.
/r/MensRights29/07/15 07:30 AM
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Feminists' use of "patriarchy" is designed to be unfalsifiable. You can't falsify it any more than you can falsify the existence of God. However, you can cast doubt about its usefulness as a theory, in the same way you can with religion. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is one way to counter God without having to necessarily falsify it. Perhaps we need to come up with an FSM analog to patriarchy. Also, let me try my hand at feministing to prove my point about "patriarchy": 90% of inmates are male. P…
/r/MensRights29/07/15 06:59 AM
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From the abstract: We find that as much as 95 percent of the overall gender gap in starting-salary offers can be explained by differences in college majors selected
/r/MensRights28/07/15 10:22 AM
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men aren't so much human beings as they are "human doings." They are judged by others and themselves based on what they have done to make a living, done to make a difference. If they feel they have failed to reach an adequate level of accomplishment, they feel useless. And men who provide no use have no value in society's eyes, and that's tough to live with. I'm sure there are other factors involved, as well.
/r/MensRights28/07/15 10:09 AM
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SJWs would literally say, "Those entitled white men would rather kill themselves than see their racist patriarchy get whittled away." They would then go on a rant about how there's not enough compassion in the world...
/r/MensRights28/07/15 10:01 AM
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One problem: The instant a boys' class shows better results than girls', feminists will demand girls be let it. Of course, they'll gladly let a class stay all boys if they're doing terribly.
/r/MensRights23/07/15 05:43 AM
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Of course they are. Egalitarianism is a front for patriarchy.
/r/MensRights22/07/15 07:00 AM
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this is standard operating procedure for mainstream media. I would love to see a mainstream writer for once mention "groups such as feminists and ISIS..."
/r/MensRights22/07/15 06:59 AM
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Disagree. Reducing demand is more effective than reducing supply in the long run. The problem with reducing supply is you drive up the price, which increases the profitability of entering into the market as a new supplier. This is why the "war on drugs" is non-stop. Every time a dealer gets taken off the street, new dealers pop up because they sense a business opportunity. (It's also why dealers want each other dead.) Whereas, reducing demand lowers the price, which, if anything, will cause some…
/r/MensRights22/07/15 06:42 AM
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I wanted to respect women Watch Swingers, starring Vince Vaugh and Jon Favreau
/r/MensRights22/07/15 06:21 AM
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Any difference between men and women can be useful to men's rights, even if that difference makes men seem more fortunate. In this case, in a debate over health issues, it's nice to not get caught off guard if this topic is brought up.
/r/MensRights22/07/15 06:06 AM
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Integrating many black men's rights into the MRM would be a huge win for MRM. This is because many issues facing black men, such as education, violence, due process, marriage/family, de-industrialization, and discrimination, are just magnifications of the trends facing men generally. Furthermore, because of our politically correct culture, it is acceptable to talk about black men's lives, but not men's lives, generally. Thus black men are an excellent "in" for the MRM. Having said that, the chal…
/r/MensRights22/07/15 04:36 AM
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Because: sexism + power = prejudice + power oh wait--
/r/MensRights21/07/15 08:32 PM
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if results don't match your politically correct objective, create a new metric so that it does.
/r/MensRights21/07/15 07:10 PM
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but here's where feminism comes in: Women are pressured into pretending that they would be just fine with a low-earning or otherwise low-status man. They tell themselves, and they tell the guy that they don't mind. But eventually they will, and that's a huge problem, and it ultimately stems from a type of deception and self delusion. the problem is magnified when children come into the picture. I've seen a ton of my cool, feminist friends turn into the stereotype of the traditional wife because …
/r/MensRights21/07/15 06:43 PM
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agree that it's multidimensional, although I think education, earnings and status are all positively correlated, though imperfectly. But in the long run, I think money does establish influence status signifiers. A lot of details also change the calculus. An owner of a chain of liquor stores might be unmarriable to a female lawyer, but a Silicon Valley programmer with no college degree would probably be more marriable to the same woman. Similarly, a PhD degree in finance would probably have more …
/r/MensRights21/07/15 06:24 PM
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maybe he was attempting to appeal to both working-class men and middle-class women. If so, nice try. If someone can do that successfully, they will be president.
/r/MensRights21/07/15 05:00 AM
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Good catch. "This non-issue is still an issue because the way I feel about it." That's pretty brilliant rhetoric, actually.
/r/MensRights21/07/15 04:24 AM
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I guess the difference is that the wealthy guy probably wouldn't join a public movement dedicated to demonizing and suppressing golddiggers and blaming them for most of life's ills.
/r/MensRights21/07/15 04:20 AM
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but what if she decides that she doesn't respect because you don't earn as much? Then you suddenly have to worry about earning as much.
/r/MensRights21/07/15 04:03 AM
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except that the definition of a "good job" and "educated" will rise as women have better jobs and become more educated. There are many women out there for who "educated" means Ph.D., MD or law degree.
/r/MensRights21/07/15 03:57 AM
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"Would you data an unemployed woman?" Guy imagines a hot, unemployed waitress. "Yeah."
/r/MensRights20/07/15 08:16 AM
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I don't think wealth makes women horny - we all know gold diggers don't find their husbands hot This is true by the definition of "gold digging." But I wouldn't classify this as the same thing as hypergamy. "Gold digging" is hypergamy minus the attraction. Also, I suspect earnings is more important than wealth. A man who got rich by winning the lottery or inheriting it would probably be perceived as less attractive than the guy who got there by becoming a CEO.
/r/MensRights20/07/15 08:10 AM
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So how does a man show he has "his shit together," aside from earning more money?
/r/MensRights20/07/15 07:45 AM
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People plan their life's based on this lie and then get to a point where they are stuck. Bingo. I wonder how many women graduate with SJW PhDs and finally admit in their 30s that they want to live the gender norm. And I wonder how they rationalize this to themselves.
/r/MensRights20/07/15 07:38 AM
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but don't give too much help, or you'll be coming off as condescending or creepy.
/r/MensRights20/07/15 07:09 AM
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Mainstream media believes boys already have, or will have, all the power. They want a campaign teaching boys to not abuse their power and to be "sensitive." A campaign along the lines of what you are suggesting would have to be run by MRAs, a group whose reputation is superior to only pedophiles, white supremacists and ISIS. Who runs LikeAGirl, anyway?
/r/MensRights20/07/15 06:25 AM
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All it does is take the conversation off of labels and on to issues. Issues are what the dialog needs to be based on. Absolutely agree. SJWs love labels, and it would be nice to avoid them entirely, especially since many would love to label something "MRA" so it can be dismissed immediately. Which makes me wonder, how do you respond to the question, "You're not an MRA, are you?"
/r/MensRights20/07/15 06:12 AM
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That's a great approach. Or maybe you can just say, "What does feminism do for me, a guy?" Ideally, this puts them on the defensive, trying to explain how feminism is "for guys also." It has the bonus of both criticizing feminism while pushing forward men's issues, and does so without coming off as whiney. It's funny (and sad) that people have more respect for a man being selfish than for a man sticking up for men who are suffering.
/r/MensRights20/07/15 06:03 AM
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wow, that's so sad. I guess logic, evidence, due process, and freedom of speech are also suspect.
/r/MensRights20/07/15 05:51 AM
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Thanks. In a way, I was defining anything that demonizes/punishes men as being "radical." I was going for the subliminal message of, You wouldn't want to be radical, would you? It has its pros and cons.
/r/MensRights20/07/15 05:45 AM
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Just say: "The type of feminism that promotes the rights of both men and women? Or the type of radical feminism that seeks to demonize and punish men and boys?" (Yes I know the first type of feminism doesn't exist. But it's supposed to exist, so you may as well hold them to it.) Whatever you say, your answer: Should not be an unqualified 'yes' Should not sound defensive And if you're in a hostile environment, your answer should be self-contained, so that if you are cut off, censored, or your opp…
/r/MensRights20/07/15 03:39 AM
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Interesting how race wasn't explicitly brought up.
/r/MensRights19/07/15 11:54 PM
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Can't she argue that she's being denied social status? It reminds me of the gay-marriage vs. civil union debate. If civil unions gave all legal privileges of marriage, then would the LGBT community be happy with civil unions? Answer is no, because it supposedly implies a lower social standing.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 07:48 PM
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and to stay accused of not "doing enough" for the household.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 07:36 PM
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typically it seems to take about 2 years of serious training (3-4 times a week, 1.5-2 hours a session) for women to develop their skills to the point of being able to reliable control and then take out an untrained man. I was initially optimistic about BJJ as rape protection. But if this guy's numbers are correct, that's way too much of a time commitment (unless she enjoys it as a sport). I mean, the "wage gap" could probably be eliminated if she spent that time working at her job. Probably the …
/r/MensRights16/07/15 04:25 AM
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Awesome. Nice to see some ridicule aimed at rad fems. Maybe this is a sign of MRM's progress.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 03:58 AM
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Well, being exempt from the draft lets people (including some MRAs) denigrate the potential sacrifice she (and women, generally) might have to make for her country. So perhaps there is a loss of respect from men, which may manifest itself in job opportunities. She may also try to argue that, in the event of war, she will miss out on the opportunity to bond with other draftee women, who might one day help with career opportunities. In the event of an actual war, having many veterans be women (thr…
/r/MensRights16/07/15 03:42 AM
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Political correctness makes it difficult to portray "minorities" as having serious flaws in their character. That's something to reserve for white males. Of course, interesting characters usually have some sort of moral shortcoming or lack of competence. As a consequence, white males have even greater access to great roles, while all too often "minorities" get boring side roles (e.g., the black judge in American movies).
/r/MensRights15/07/15 05:16 AM
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What topics did you want to cover? Just domestic abuse and the pay gap?
/r/MensRights15/07/15 04:52 AM
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Keep in mind that most feminists have a degree of hypocrisy when it comes to gender roles, so this probably won't go well. If it does, you've at least found a principled feminist, which may or may not be a good thing. Also keep in mind that you would draw the ire of traditionalists, men and women, who see your behavior. And this can come back to haunt you. i.e., "That dude did nothing to help that poor woman. He must be a total asshole."
/r/MensRights12/07/15 08:18 PM
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The central challenge: The failures of babying women is interpreted by the media as proof that babying is needed. And a cycle is formed.
/r/MensRights12/07/15 07:52 PM
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From a strategic point of view we will probably need to demolish the "wage gap" fallacies before we can get real attention on boys in school. The reason is that too many people assume men are favored in the workplace, and therefore they conclude that male deficiency in school is irrelevant. (And there are also probably a number of sick feminists would are simply happy that boys are doing bad in school.) Come to think of it, the "wage gap" is pretty much used to justify ignoring every other male …
/r/MensRights12/07/15 07:14 PM
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Women who finished in the bottom of the academic world make up most of our teachers. I know people who go into teacher tend to score towards the bottom of standardized tests. However, are you saying that female teachers are lower quality than male teachers? That's an interesting assertion, and very important if true.
/r/MensRights12/07/15 07:04 PM
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interesting hypothesis. It would be nice to see it tested.
/r/MensRights12/07/15 08:23 AM
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hmm... I don't think it's conscious most of the time. For example, men will work just as hard to impress other men. They will also spend time trying to impress anonymous people on the internet. Sometimes, they will just try to impress themselves.
/r/MensRights12/07/15 08:14 AM
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So obviously we need to limit the work week, limit work loads, and limit the number of men that go into high paying specialties...
/r/MensRights10/07/15 06:32 PM
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Memes. Research, design, production, and distribution.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 07:23 AM
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Here's some evidence, though not applying directly to Wimbledon http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/11/25/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/Tennis.aspx
/r/MensRights10/07/15 03:13 AM
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This argument uses the exact same logic of the wage gap myth. Perhaps that is the point. With this table, you can say, "Well, according to your wage gap logic, the men at Wimbledon are being underpaid!" I agree with your overall sentiment, but I also think it's good to have something on hand to illustrate the absurdity of certain arguments. But as you have pointed out, we need to be careful how this is used.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 03:04 AM
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Since their main customers are probably young people, they should be charging 0.93 per dollar, based on this oldie but goodie http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/12/11/on-pay-gap-millennial-women-near-parity-for-now/
/r/MensRights10/07/15 02:34 AM
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Ideally, women would also clearly communicate when they are interested, since reluctance to do so is partly what creates much of the confusion. But realistically, women don't want to be labeled "sluts," so they tend to downplay their interest. If this tendency can't be overcome, perhaps focusing on "no" is the only way to go.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 02:18 AM
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thanks. I'll look into it :)
/r/MensRights09/07/15 08:01 PM
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hmm... so should MRAs accuse the "rape culture" propagandists of promoting racism?
/r/MensRights09/07/15 07:53 PM
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Agree with your general point, though keep in mind I was talking about feminists, not women in general. I would also say "accountability and responsibility in a broader societal sense." "Accountability," because feminists don't want women to bear the blame for certain outcomes, "responsibility," because feminists don't want women to be compelled to change or restrict their behavior to achieve certain outcomes.
/r/MensRights09/07/15 09:07 AM
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Perhaps, but feminists have created a certain narrative (myth) that describes what this power is, how it originated, and how it is used. It is that particular narrative that I think is incorrect.
/r/MensRights09/07/15 08:53 AM
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Feminists feel threatened by responsibility. The myth of male power is what allows them to escape it.
/r/MensRights09/07/15 08:38 AM
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Because her supposed "action-hero" status really just a product of objectification and fetishization by men: Ripley is surrounded by creatures that want to rape her and force her to have their baby, which is a fantasy of sexualized patriarchy that the audience is invited to participate in. Furthermore, despite the ostensible gender-bending, she reinforces gender norms by performing all the parenting duties for Newt, while the man, Hicks, is absent with man-flu. Lastly, Ripley labels the (female)…
/r/MensRights09/07/15 07:59 AM
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Most of modern feminism is built on the assumption of The Patriarchy oppressing women. Feminists risk being victims of their own success by ever admitting to being a dominant political force. That's why they fight so hard to maintain the underdog facade. I wonder what their contingency plan is for when people catch on...
/r/MensRights08/07/15 03:09 AM
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The more popular the opinion, the less intellectually rigorous it has to be. And hating on MRA is pretty damn popular.
/r/MensRights08/07/15 02:52 AM
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That was my first thought. But I think it's incorrect. From what I see of the usage, "humanism" is used in opposition to ideologies that seek to create out-groups. So the out-groups would be precisely the people who hold those divisive ideologies. How can this work in practice? As a balancing force, pulling in groups that would otherwise be left out of the discussion. "Humanist" is a positive label for someone who might normally have a negative label, such as "anti-feminist" or "anti white-male …
/r/MensRights08/07/15 02:48 AM
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"But even if there are differences, such rhetoric could be used to maintain a sexist and racist power structure. (Therefore I will assume it can't be true)."
/r/MensRights07/07/15 02:07 AM
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Agreed. How we think of celebrities either influences or reflects how with think of normal people. From the article: Ben Affleck [....] He’s a dude. Therefore, he’s going to be fine. Yes, because things always work out for "dudes," therefore their welfare should be of zero concern. That's a major pillar of feminism, and major obstacle to the MRM.
/r/MensRights01/07/15 08:06 AM
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I think everyone wants what "works." But traditionalists tend to be more risk averse when it comes to jumping on the latest thing that seems to work, and that they tend to think non-traditionalists are short sighted and rash when it comes to the same thing. For example, progressives think that many traditions (including religion) no longer "work" because they are maladapted to modern needs. Of course, traditionalists can see the same data and instead conclude that modern ailments are instead cau…
/r/MensRights01/07/15 07:47 AM
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but maybe they'll do the divorcing at a higher rate..
/r/MensRights30/06/15 08:26 AM
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maybe this is more a case of men being more tough on themselves or each other.
/r/MensRights30/06/15 06:26 AM
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But what was the rationale behind women getting equal pay at (most?) of the slams? I recall it was some sort of moral argument. The point being, if women are going to make some sort of moral argument for equal pay, should men be able to make some moral argument?
/r/MensRights30/06/15 06:22 AM
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is like arguing that pro bowlers should be paid several times more than Ronda Rousey, or that top women's golfers should be paid more than Lebron James. Except that you are comparing across sports, whereas men's and women's tennis is still tennis.
/r/MensRights30/06/15 06:16 AM
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fascinating definition of conservative. It seems to unify a bunch of elements. However, I disagree with the your definition of traditional., though.
/r/MensRights30/06/15 06:04 AM
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or maybe they'll require men to undergo VR rape themselves as part of sensitivity training...
/r/MensRights29/06/15 04:28 AM
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Just say, "If you believe in gender equality, you should be an MRA." Then mirror their reply.
/r/MensRights29/06/15 04:21 AM
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hmm... I imagine a system where two people can "hook up" via Occulus. So I wonder what would happen if a guy "raped" a girl vitually. Would that be "harassment" or just the equivalent of tea bagging in FPS?
/r/MensRights28/06/15 07:40 PM
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Absolutely. Keyboard wars matter. I think it's a big reason why gay rights have accelerated, why the anti-"confederate" flag movement accelerated, and even why feminism accelerated. Hopefully the MRM follows that pattern.
/r/MensRights28/06/15 07:26 PM
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For instance, if men typically score higher on an IQ test than women, it means the results were biased in favor of men. I don't think this is true. A difference in scores by itself is not sufficient to qualify as "bias" in the social sciences. Let's take the more obvious case of IQ differences between whites and blacks (whites being higher), which is around a full standard deviation (something like 100 vs 85). One purpose of IQ scores is to predict performance in something like work or school. S…
/r/MensRights28/06/15 07:09 PM
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One study There have been many studies on this topic. Do a search and you'll find them politically motivated study Most social science studies are "politically motivated" in some way. Why else study the issue if you didn't think it was important?
/r/MensRights28/06/15 06:48 PM
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The best possible counter to this is for more and more men to choose careers in education. There are plenty of male college professors, yet universities are hotbeds of feminism. Simply getting more MR-apathetic males or, even worse, white knights, wouldn't do anything; it could actually make it worse by better camouflaging sexism against male students. The problem is with feminism, not with females. We need more MRAs, of any gender.
/r/MensRights28/06/15 09:46 AM
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this article was so bad I wasn't even offended. Judging by even feminists' own standards this was weak.
/r/MensRights28/06/15 09:17 AM
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here are alternate articles, and the guy's name: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/peter-ludlow-sexual-assault/
/r/MensRights28/06/15 08:56 AM
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The existence of God is not falsifiable, even if it is verifiable. Lack of falsifiability is basically what makes it an unscientific hypothesis. Perhaps "patriarchy" suffers from the same issue, at least in the way SJWs use it. http://science.jrank.org/pages/9302/Falsifiability-Popper-s-Emphasis-on-Falsifiability.html
/r/MensRights28/06/15 08:47 AM
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feminists argue that men themselves are victims of patriarchy (which is why they say MRAs should support feminism). Of course, this word usage then becomes either a misnomer or a contradiction. But SJWs don't really think that deep.
/r/MensRights28/06/15 08:26 AM
10

that's an important distinction.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 08:13 PM
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If you have a man that is more qualified than a woman applying for a position, what is the problem? Just to play devil's advocate, I'll give you some common answers: the "qualifications" are bogus, and are used to perpetuate a cycle of oppression of women and to preserve the "old boy's club." women think differently from men, and the company would benefit from having more diverse viewpoints. there's a 23% raw gender paygap, and getting women into higher corporate positions will help close the ga…
/r/MensRights27/06/15 09:44 AM
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Directly, not much. Feminists' main techniques won't work for men. For example, complaining about being oppressed works wonders for feminists, but is disastrous for (the mostly male) MRAs. Therefore, caution is advised when trying to glean lessons from feminists. However, much of these problems would be eliminated by having women argue for men's rights. Therefore, one important objective for the MRM should be to recruit and support female MRAs. Unfortunately, the feMRA subs are dead. However, I …
/r/MensRights27/06/15 09:30 AM
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This article brings up an important point that MRAs often fail to in debates: Higher male variance in key traits is possibly more important than higher averages in determining outcomes. And when combined with higher averages, compelling arguments can be made. On the other hand, I believe Larry Summers made the same argument and it cost him his job at Harvard.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 08:18 AM
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One thing I hate about feminists is that when faced with the idea that men could possibly be disadvantaged in one area of life, feminists' knee-jerk reaction is to go on attack/defense, claiming "biased study," "patriarchy," or "let's work on issue X, Y, and Z, before moving on to that issue." I see some of the same logic going on in this thread. Let's not reduce MRA to a gender-flipped version of feminism. Both men and women are discriminated against, just in different ways. In the case of stud…
/r/MensRights27/06/15 07:02 AM
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you're probably just looking at the wrong studies.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 04:45 AM
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Depends what the "issue" is. One issue is that some professors's careers are affected by their evaluations. The other issue is that people are biased in the first place. I'm all in favor of fixing "root causes," but that sort of thing usually takes time. In the meanwhile, professors are essentially being discriminated against.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 04:32 AM
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"Defending" can only work for so long if someone wants to hurt you and running away isn't an option. Offense can be used to defend yourself. And being able to strike the groin is a great equalizer when there's a big size disparity.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 02:58 AM
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Everyone should learn self defense, and learning to kick the groin effectively should be part of that program. This could help guys as much, if not more, than girls. But yeah, the presumption that boys are merely potential criminals is terrible.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 02:53 AM
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that's easy. They just include an "adjusted score" with the proper modification.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 06:44 AM
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If the studies are good, yes. Keep in mind, though, that teachers/professors grade school work, whereas students write evals. So my standards of evidence would be higher when over-riding the opinion of a prof, compared to that of a student.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 06:43 AM
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there is a real gender bias, though. For example, there was a study of an online course featuring identical content, where the only noticeable difference was the name of the instructor. Women scored less, even of questions such as "promptness," even though there was objectively no difference. I wouldn't be opposed to correcting for this, as long as the adjustment amount is updated regularly and it's not being combined with some other kind of affirmative action.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 05:48 AM
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Apathy can be defeated. However, men are different from women, therefore different strategies must be employed to get men's attentions and/or to protect them. Unlike women, who are willing to support the rights of women they don't know, men instead tend to show a strong loyalty to men they have bonded with. Therefore, I'll go ahead and make a crazy recommendation for college men -- join a fraternity. Frats take great pains to protect their "brand." They tend to keep their parties and events orga…
/r/MensRights26/06/15 02:43 AM
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That will never happen. As male numbers drop, word will get out that if you go to college you'll have a ton of girls all to yourself. This will encourage more men to join. In other words, the "equilibrium" male enrollment rate will never get too small. And if it does, it's not because they are avoiding women.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 02:03 AM
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If feminists were to talk about Third World issues it would make their complaints about the First World look trivial by comparison. How else could they foment outrage over the pay of Hollywood actresses?
/r/MensRights24/06/15 09:41 PM
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nice buzzword. We need more of them like this.
/r/MensRights23/06/15 01:55 AM
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Are there a lot of academics who self-identify as MRA? I would think that on a lot of campuses the professors would be fearful or ashamed of being "out of the closet" MRA. And if there's a void of MRAs, I imagine there would be female "gender theorists" willing to educate young men about how much privilege they have.
/r/MensRights22/06/15 07:14 AM
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That would be very vulnerable to being hijacked by SJWs if done too quickly. Before men's studies programs start, there needs to be a strong foundation of MRA academics in related fields, such as sociology, psychology, economics, and the humanities. Once that foundation is there, a men's studies program can open with these confirmed MRA academics lecturing under the heading of "men's studies." Eventually, this can lead to its own department. (This seems to be how women's studies programs get sta…
/r/MensRights22/06/15 06:35 AM
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Oh nice, feminists want to work together with MRA's for the common good. And I guess it starts by misrepresenting and ridiculing MRAs.
/r/MensRights22/06/15 05:59 AM
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Yeah, a lot will get lost in the inevitable feminist counter-attack. I imagine a sarcastic meme reply, "Little Sarah was sexually assaulted by 5 boys and her teachers did nothing about it. I guess that's because 'boys will be boys'..." Also, commenters will easily say, "Who will lead our adventures? GIRLS!" And the line, "Boys are so much more" would bother a lot of moderates. Too much unnecessary exposure to attack throughout this meme. Also, this meme is way too abstract and general. Good meme…
/r/MensRights21/06/15 06:22 AM
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Wait, where was the apology? I don't see one at all. And are they ending the campaign? Did they pull down the video? Are they running a "Happy Fathers Day, DAD" ad?
/r/MensRights20/06/15 06:25 PM
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It's scary when a information-based monopolist decides to push political views.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 06:22 PM
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the problem is feminist activists have an incentive to create antagonism and to not really solve problems. It's really an issue most institutionalized special interests face, it's just that they are way more institutionalized than MRAs and other groups.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 06:19 PM
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Masculinity is supposed to be fragile. That's how men are manipulated. "Be a man", "man up", "you have your panties in a bunch", are all designed to manipulate based on the threat of taking away manhood. Men, women and feminists all do it.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 06:06 PM
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the operative word is "could." Until it actually happens, they'll just bank on it being unlikely. They might be sympathetic to the cause, but it takes a dedicated group of people to do something active.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 05:31 PM
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this wasn't a white frat.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 08:46 AM
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I would say, "Maybe the guy sitting is unemployed or gets his wages garnished." The real point being, why use group averages when we can get individual numbers? Maybe the rule can be, the poorer person gets the seat, no matter what their gender. Personally, I think it's sad that chivalry is dying, but that is the logical conclusion of feminism, so it may have to.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 06:44 AM
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Agree, but as pointed out by /u/xynomaster, it's hard not to come off as a political opportunist (unless you happen to be a black MRA). It's an important angle you've found, we just have to tread carefully. Feminists pick their targets carefully, usually making sure they are white males (one exception being the "Cat Call" video). So the connection has to be pointed out somehow. But how to do that tactfully? One way is by sharing instances of false accusations against a black man (such as Jarrett…
/r/MensRights19/06/15 06:35 AM
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bingo. SJWs got confused that year. This time around, the white woman beats the old white man, no matter how progressive he is.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 12:51 AM
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the important issue is consistency of terminology between men and women.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 12:29 AM
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That doesn't mean they support men's issues. Barack Obama and Democrats got elected in 2012 by appealing to women, and accusing men of waging a "War on Women." That men outnumber women in the small number of leadership positions does not mean these leaders care about the masses of men. Here's another angle: Barack Obama is black. Does that mean black people have most of the power? Similarly, does Obama focus on black issues? In short, ruling elites don't necessarily care about normal people. Pow…
/r/MensRights18/06/15 05:23 PM
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maybe you should tell feminists that they are our natural allies (and that we are theirs). Unfortunately, from what I see in the U.S. and U.K., they seem to view any attempt to address men's issues as a threat to their existence. Maybe you're new to this sub, but there are full-blown attempts to censor men's groups. In principle, you are right. In practice, in the Anglosphere, there are too many feminists who want to see men's issues (and their advocates) swept under the rug.
/r/MensRights18/06/15 08:44 AM
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but those women are just echoing social constructions /s
/r/MensRights18/06/15 08:26 AM
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or it means that some male writer wants to show how manly and politically correct he is. Feminists may be scared. But White Knights are just chasing opportunities.
/r/MensRights18/06/15 08:21 AM
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your non-understanding of postmodernism probably just shows that you are rational. From what I recall, one of it's founders basically said that he didn't want his book to be fully understood.
/r/MensRights18/06/15 08:01 AM
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maybe because they've had more time for a backlash to develop. Hopefully there's an impending backlash in the Anglosphere. Other hypotheses: Sweden has had a socialist-like heritage, which means they're more egalitarian, generally. Feminism in countries like the U.S. may have been influenced by identity politics born from the conflict-ridden race relations. Interesting question, though.
/r/MensRights18/06/15 07:54 AM
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This is the type of framing that I like to distance myself from, even though I agree with the more broad point that men and women have both faced challenges, just different ones. I absolutely agree. Is it even possible to answer these types of questions? How do you compare apples to oranges here? Yeah, men could go to debtors prison, but women in the 1800s UK had a 5% chance of dying during childbirth, per childbirth. Not to mention the fact they couldn't vote til the 1900s. How do you deem one …
/r/MensRights18/06/15 07:43 AM
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When Rachel Maddow brings up these issues, I'll feel the same way. I'm wondering if it might be better if liberals were the ones bringing up these issues. "Faux News" taking an MRA issue reinforces a bunch of negative stereotypes about MRA. Additionally, I'm worry that the Fox political base won't really do anything with this issue.
/r/MensRights18/06/15 12:03 AM
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OP, did you make this image?
/r/MensRights17/06/15 11:45 PM
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Mandatory reading. Attacking SJWs at an empirical level only goes so far when faced with an ideology that espouses ignoring or twisting evidence to their foregone conclusion. This article goes straight to the heart of the matter by addressing SJW's underlying philosophy. We need more of this here, in the media, and in debates wherever they take place.
/r/MensRights17/06/15 11:39 PM
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"But that's blaming the victim!" [throws study away] /s
/r/MensRights17/06/15 07:59 PM
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But I think he's right; men tend to not support men's causes, monetarily or otherwise. That's one of the weaknesses of MRM that seems to be widely acknowledged in this sub. Yeah, I was a bit disappointed that he seemed to give off a homophobic vibe. But then again, at around 12:00 he attacks "conservative pricks" and "white trash trailer park dudes." So maybe he's one of those people who bag on everyone, which I wouldn't mind so much. I actually found him to be very entertaining. At the least, I…
/r/MensRights17/06/15 09:19 AM
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This TJ guy is pretty charismatic and funny. He'd be a powerful player in MRM, but he'd have to tone down the homophobic stuff... although he seems open to insulting everyone, which makes him less threatening. MRM getting some talented black men as representatives would be HUGE. White feminists and white White Knights would be terrified.
/r/MensRights17/06/15 08:50 AM
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Because in many cases you're getting someone who was going to major in English Lit or Sociology (i.e., they didn't have much interest in STEM), and you convince them to give STEM a shot. It seems reasonable that these types of people who get nudged into something would have a higher drop out rate, either in college or afterwards. A cycle is formed when policy makers see that higher drop rate and use it to justify nudging more people into STEM (who are in turn, more likely to drop out).
/r/MensRights17/06/15 08:44 AM
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Holy shit, this TJ Sotomayor guy is bad ass. He could be a major player for MRM if he wants to. I'd love to see him square off against a white feminist. MRM gaining black spokesmen would be a HUGE. Homophobic comments could be a problem, though. Oh, and should we get a boycott of Angel Soft going?
/r/MensRights17/06/15 08:24 AM
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on average they're a tad brighter than us. I'm reading all these articles about how women in general are outlearning men in general In terms of IQ, women are not smarter than men. They do seem to have more discipline when it comes to school, however, and that goes a long way. Men seem to have discipline and focus problems in school, especially when the task at hand has no obvious relation to some clear objective. They set aside their petty differences and build with each other no matter what. I'…
/r/MensRights17/06/15 07:39 AM
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Those are all great questions. And they will mostly get ignored, interpreted as "patriarchy", or used to rationalize existing or new anti-male policies. No matter what the findings are, the answer will be, "more feminism." For example, researchers have known the truth about the "pay gap" for decades now, and it is currently smaller than it's ever been. Yet the 23% or 25% numbers are still being thrown around as fact by the MSM, feminists and politicians. Should we do yet more studies saying the …
/r/MensRights17/06/15 03:36 AM
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Are you happy taking a back seat and letting someone else get the limelight? If so, you could recruit and/or support female MRAs (feMRAs). FeMRAs have way more influence than MRAs simply because they are harder for feminists to censor or argue against. Furthermore, White Knights are too timid to criticize them effectively, and regular men can't call them "whiney manginas." FeMRAs can blog, vlog, protest, give campus lectures, get interviewed, and write for publications, more freely and with more…
/r/MensRights17/06/15 12:18 AM
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not sure about this approach. There already is a ton of research to refute SJW BS; it's just being ignored. What good are more studies that get ignored?
/r/MensRights16/06/15 11:18 PM
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You're right, the "Men's Rights" label is a tarnished brand. Instead, how about: "Men's Well-being Society." Or, "Men's Health Society," where "health" is broadly interpreted.
/r/MensRights16/06/15 09:08 PM
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Same experience here. Earlier this year, SJWs were posting about all the black males being killed by police. This would have been a great opening to talk about males in general being killed by police. Of course, these issues come and go, but we should have some ready-to-go memes on standby for the next time this issue flares up.
/r/MensRights16/06/15 08:53 PM
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More likely, they will focus on the fact that this guy is black and they will say that white men don't face such problems. And if MRAs bring up cases of white men wrongly convicted, they will accuse MRAs of not caring about minority men.
/r/MensRights16/06/15 06:19 PM
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Female attrition in STEM subjects has nothing to do with the “messages we send young girls” about what they could be when they grow up Actually, it does affect attrition but for entirely different reasons -- we are basically bullying women and girls into fields many of them are only marginally interested in. These women are going to be more likely to drop out since they weren't that interested in the first place. Of course, feminists will interpret the attrition as sexism, and demand more "outre…
/r/MensRights16/06/15 06:04 PM
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yes, there's always a time and place for topics like this. But in a typical discussion with a feminist and/or neutral party, there are going to be plenty of current issues to discuss and a limited time and space to do it in. It's about being right and being effective and efficient. Whatever you think of women's power political and economic power 100 years ago, it is most likely worse than it is today. (Keep in mind that 100 years ago, women could not vote in the U.S. and faced tremendous labor d…
/r/MensRights16/06/15 09:31 AM
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Got to admit, we do have a "Whites Only" image problem. Here's a big reason why: Take the issue of rape. Feminists and feminist-leaning media outlets do a good job making sure high-profile rape cases involve only white male culprits. Thus, the authors of the "rape culture" narrative have preferred to center on white frat boys, who epitomize "privilege", rather than, say, black athletes. The downside for MRM is that when we jump to defend these men from SJWs, it is almost always going to be a whi…
/r/MensRights16/06/15 08:31 AM
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Purely from a tactical point of view, this is a losing argument. People are so convinced of historical oppression that you'd be in the same category as creationists. Why not just say, "Things are much different now" and proceed with current facts?
/r/MensRights16/06/15 04:49 AM
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Yes, feminism is sufficient to protect men's rights... if you believe men's rights aren't being threatened.
/r/MensRights16/06/15 02:31 AM
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I agree about men needing to help with the kids. I was was just talking about the breadwinner and stay-at-home dad issues, and that I suspect even most feminists themselves would not want a stay at home dad as a husband. I would be interest in seeing actual data on this, though.
/r/MensRights16/06/15 02:22 AM
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The biggest problem is that most males and females will ignore these laws because they are unsexy. This will then leave men open to prosecution at any time.
/r/MensRights15/06/15 11:21 PM
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But that involves risk. Apparently the strategy they are using is to let men take the risks, then swoop in once it's an established company. Oh, and if the company fails, nevermind. Also, garages are symbols of patriarchy.
/r/MensRights15/06/15 11:03 PM
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be careful about unnecessary jabs... it just makes MRMs look like a bunch of misogynists. Besides, I think you were wrong. As much as women talk about equalizing child rearing and reversing gender roles, it's a lot of BS. I suspect most women would prefer the man to be the bread winner. In fact, I know a lot of feminists who would prefer their husbands to be the breadwinner.
/r/MensRights15/06/15 08:57 PM
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the most common I've seen is a white knight is a man who defends a woman simply because she is a woman that seems to be the older usage. In particular, the original white knight and damsel are both traditionalists. But the MRA usage is with regard to defending female feminists, or pushing feminism in general. Of course, there are probably a ton of male feminists who are mainly doing it to impress females, but usually we won't really know someone's true motivation. I guess "White Knight" is derog…
/r/MensRights15/06/15 08:47 PM
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that's for U.S. data, and across a wider age range. Typically, the gaps get wider at higher ages. And since the U.S. is less regulated and unionized that many other Western countries, I would expect wider dispersion in wages.
/r/MensRights15/06/15 04:59 PM
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Given this experience, hopefully he's having second thoughts about not being anti-feminist.
/r/MensRights15/06/15 04:46 PM
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So if a man supports feminism, he's a white knight. What's it called when a woman supports MRM? Whatever the term, we need more of it. Excited for having Lauren, but kinda bummed she did some climate denying, mainly because it hurts her credibility.
/r/MensRights15/06/15 05:39 AM
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sounds like a spurious correlation.
/r/MensRights15/06/15 05:31 AM
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I don't think so. I suspect most sex isn't even done with the intent of having children, anyways. I mean beauty itself is supposed to signal reproductive fitness. Given the West's declining birthrate and our medical technology, by your reasoning beauty shouldn't matter anymore. But if anything, we're more obsessed with it than ever before.
/r/MensRights15/06/15 05:29 AM
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yeah, but she doesn't have any power so it's not sexist /s
/r/MensRights15/06/15 03:37 AM
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Hmm... so we can "bomb" rival countries with feminism instead of actual bombs. I wonder what the state of feminism is in China. Anyone know?
/r/MensRights15/06/15 12:26 AM
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recruit in subs related to humanism, socialism, libertarianism, anarchy, basic income, altrism, etc.
/r/MensRights14/06/15 07:14 PM
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"male privilege" + male disposability + feminism + male apathy and machismo
/r/MensRights14/06/15 11:00 AM
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You might be able to identify a handful of issues they concur on. A nice starting point might be their joint dislike for /r/theredpill philosophy. But for the most part, your plan won't work. Most feminists believe in some type of equality of outcome. Or at the least, they view differing outcomes as prima facie evidence of sexism and power imbalance (against women). Based on this, they will advocate for policies that MRAs would never stand for. Feminists would probably demand up front that MRAs …
/r/MensRights14/06/15 10:45 AM
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Because just because some men are primarily in control of society doesn't mean that all men benefit as a result of every action they take Based on the reasonable principles you stated, you are correct. You should be able to be both a feminist and an MRA. But in practice, the answer is no. This is simply because most feminists have a zero-sum view of gender. They believe any compassion directed towards men is a threat to the feminist movement. This is partly because feminists have framed the issu…
/r/MensRights14/06/15 09:55 AM
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I first thought the man's "spare room" referred to having a man cave during marriage. Hoped it could be a legit MRM issue. Oh well.
/r/MensRights14/06/15 08:53 AM
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"toxic masculinity," another buzzword like "rape culture," which somehow manages to bypass critical analysis and be taken as fact. We really need to start coming up with our own buzzwords. Of course, I hear men aren't as good in their verbal skills, probably due to toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights14/06/15 07:49 AM
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I'm still a bit confused by the definitions used. Is an unwanted kiss or touching considered sexual assault in the study?
/r/MensRights14/06/15 06:55 AM
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it was an accusation of sexism, spurred by a man exercising his right to refuse service. It also sheds a light on the victim industry. Very relevant to MRM. By the way, let's get it straight. Criticizing feminists is "misogynistic", not whiney. Addressing the suffering of men gets called "whiney."
/r/MensRights13/06/15 11:59 PM
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Wow, I didn't know feminists were so powerful in Germany. I guess the U.S. isn't as bad, after all.
/r/MensRights13/06/15 12:11 AM
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Not mentioned in the podcast is that many colleges have restrictions on the ability of sex offenders to attend. Makes me wonder what these people are supposed to do for a living.
/r/MensRights12/06/15 11:39 PM
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Height also matters for DNA choice, as well. If you look at sperm banks, women tend to choose the sperm of tall donors (in addition to the sperm of donors who are healthy, intelligent, well adjusted, successful, leader types.)
/r/MensRights12/06/15 06:31 PM
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We can't really look to Hollywood on this one because they can create the illusion that men are taller than they actually are. Tall women may get fewer roles because they don't want the women to be towering over Tom Cruise, which would probably disappoint the women more than men. As for why Hollywood prefers short people in general, my theory is that it makes it easier to work a camera around them. But the real answer is probably a google search away.
/r/MensRights12/06/15 06:25 PM
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I saw plenty of outraged men here, I don't know what she's talking about. It's like every time a men's issue hits mainstream, they have to deny that MRM was ever concerned about it. Then she says MRM is more about attacking feminism. Well, maybe it's because feminism denies men need help with anything. The good news is that this article is still probably a net gain to MRM. Maybe that's a new tactic we should adopt; push the MRM agenda while bashing the MRAs boogieman.
/r/MensRights12/06/15 06:11 PM
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You should be confused, because those types of "society expects" explanations are terrible. The best explanation is actually quite simple: Men don't want a slut as a long-term partner because that could lead to them being cuckolded (which men consciously or subconsciously want to avoid). Women sense this, which means they want to avoid appearing to be a slut or "easy." This is something that even feminists acknowledge. Therefore, many women will downplay their sexuality and act like they don't w…
/r/MensRights12/06/15 05:36 PM
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But there is an inherent lack of equality in opportunity It sounds crazy to the uninformed, but that is actually the bone of contention. Key counter-arguments to what you are saying are: Women are more likely to graduate high school and college, and get better grades. Studies that control for a variety of factors have vastly reduced, ruled out, or even inverted any measureable gender gap. Choices that women make (such as the decision to work less than 40 hours per week, or to refuse to work odd …
/r/MensRights12/06/15 06:37 AM
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they both hate red pillers?
/r/MensRights12/06/15 06:13 AM
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The problem is their definition and measurement of "equality" and subsequent interpretation and policy prescription. For example: Suppose janitors (mostly men) make more money than child care providers (mostly women). They see this as "inequality", and assume it is caused by some "institutionalized" sexism, and conclude that the way to "fix" this is by leveling wages across these occupations and by recruiting women to be janitors (but not recruiting men to be child care workers). I don't care wh…
/r/MensRights12/06/15 05:51 AM
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Come to think of it, I think your proposal is inefficient. You see, male feminists exist mostly because they are trying to impress female feminists. If we reduce the number of female feminists (through conversion, demoralization, prevention, etc.), we will also reduce the number of male feminists. "Two for one", so to speak (though the actual ratio would probably be less). By contrast, if we were to reduce the number of white knights, more knights would come out of the woodwork, falsely believin…
/r/MensRights12/06/15 03:05 AM
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Women being more sensitive would certainly explain a lot. Trigger warnings, censorship, refusing to debate. It's sad because I have had a lot of feminist friends who put up a tough front, yet are secretly sensitive/normal. It leads to all sorts of miscommunication and ends up sucking for everyone involved.
/r/MensRights12/06/15 02:42 AM
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sorry, I'm a bit of a traditionalist. But what bugs me about feminism is that the guy rescuing the woman would get zero recognition ("What do you want, a cookie?!), and possibly receive criticism of some sort ("You just assumed she needed help? This is what's holding back women!"). Then there's the obnoxious celebration when roles occasionally get reversed, i.e., a woman going into a burning house and rescuing a man. And of course, the assumption that patriarchy must be behind the dominance of m…
/r/MensRights12/06/15 02:22 AM
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How would you propose we do this?
/r/MensRights12/06/15 02:09 AM
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the problem with "voat.co" is it's going to be a lot harder to recruit members from the outside with such a weird url. Also, are the Swiss politically correct?
/r/MensRights11/06/15 11:31 PM
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I agree with much of what you said, but it's all beside the point I was trying to make. The OP seemed to want to invoke the draft in order to point out to feminists, "See, men have it bad, too." I think this is a huge tactical mistake. The draft should be brought up as a human rights issue, not as an issue to hammer Anglosphere feminists in a men vs. women context (in part, because it will not work). See me reply to /u/tygertiger below. Thank you for your open-mindedness. These internal debates …
/r/MensRights11/06/15 09:21 PM
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On the contrary, feel free to advocate... just don't do it while you're addressing feminists or feminism in the anglosphere (which OP seemed to be trying to do, and which this sub does most the time). Because if you do, here's how it will turn out: SJW_1: "Women are paid 25% less than men, and 1 in 5 women get raped." MRA: "Yeah, well, men in Lithuania are being drafted into the military. And if World War III breaks out, men here will be drafted, too." SJW_2: "That's terrible! If the draft ever …
/r/MensRights11/06/15 09:04 PM
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To the down voters, /u/CORNDOGCOMMANDO /u/Vault_Tec_Boy /u/ILookAfterThePigs /u/thelandofdreams /u/redditorriot As I said above, I was specifically talking about countries that do not have an active draft. Most of Redditors are from the U.S., India, UK, and Canada (Reddit Big 4), and none of them have an active draft, and probably won't in the next decade. But I agree, if you live in a country that has an active draft or is on the brink of war, I encourage you to address the draft as a major men…
/r/MensRights11/06/15 04:58 AM
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my guess is "trigger warnings" were becoming the butt of jokes, and making feminists sound juvenile. So they switched to a phrase that sounds more conventional.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 07:43 PM
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Unless you live in a country with an active draft, I don't think this issue is useful for MRM. The U.S. hasn't had a draft since the Vietnam War, and we've since been through three major wars. On top of that, feminists will say women are "drafted" all the time to cook, clean, and work for 23% less pay than men. I don't agree with those arguments, but that's what will come out, and people will eat it up.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 07:32 PM
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reminds me of an old SNL skit where Eddie Murphy disguises himself as a white man. I'd love to see a gender flipping version. https://screen.yahoo.com/white-000000112.html
/r/MensRights10/06/15 05:32 PM
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no, it's a start.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 05:24 PM
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takeaway: We need more lesbian allies.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 05:21 PM
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So does this count as patriarchy? I think we need a new word, like testostarchy, or something.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 05:16 PM
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unfortunately, when it comes to female assailants, men tend to be, uhm, tight-lipped.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 05:01 PM
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it's nice to see people talking about "theory." As long as people buy into these theories, no amount of evidence against them would matter. Do you think it would be worthwhile to attack SJWs on a theoretical level? And if so, what do you think would be a good way to go about it?
/r/MensRights10/06/15 04:34 PM
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Important, and useful: Step 1. Get people talking about black male deaths, which even SJWs will be sympathetic to. Step 2. Expand to talking about male deaths. Step 3. Apply this pattern to other issues. Example: Many Black men have been falsely accused of rape by White women. In many cases it was likely a deliberate deception. SJWs themselves will admit to this. Then pivot to talking about men in general being falsely accused. If they deny it, call them racist apologists.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 09:13 AM
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But this is the type of stuff that can be thrown in SJWs faces. It is also a great "beachhead" to talk about male deaths in general. The upshot being male "privilege" isn't what they make it to be.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 08:56 AM
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The OP was asking about men's dislike for MRM (actually, "men's advocacy", but I'll use MRM for short). Do you really think men dislike MRM because of MRM's selfishness? MRM seems far from selfish. In fact, in a way, they sound like typical activists who just happen to be talking about a very broad range of men's issues, as well as to be arguing for men and women regarding equality. I also think its clear that many of the MRA aren't advocating just out of their immediate interest, either. (I act…
/r/MensRights10/06/15 07:46 AM
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no, I'm saying we need to downplay that strategy and emphasize others. For example, rather than the emphasis of "male as victim", the emphasis of "feminists as fascist nutjobs" would gain more traction among men and possibly women. This is often a subtle difference, but it is significant. For example, take the Rolling Stones false rape allegation. Rather than focus on the suffering of these poor frat boys (a demographic few will find sympathetic), focus on the radical feminist writer, the derang…
/r/MensRights10/06/15 07:28 AM
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I think you have some good points. But I'm not talking about good vs. evil. I'm talking about good vs. "neutral" or ambiguous. You don't have to be a do-gooder to be respected and liked. I'd go as far to say people admire men with a bit of a "bad boy" streak. Tyrion is way cooler than Ned Stark (and even John Snow, imo). The Hound is probably more admired than Podrick. Han Solo is way cooler than Luke Skywalker, even before he joined the Rebel Alliance. A "manly man" probably gets more women tha…
/r/MensRights09/06/15 07:36 PM
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I think this is only somewhat true. Men and women will also respect other men who are working to further themselves. Business men, athletes, adventurers, hedonists who don't give a fuck about what others think, are often admired by both men and women (as long as they don't trample babies along the way). What men and women can't stand, though, is the male whiner and weakling. Yes, this is sad, but I think resources would be better spent trying to change something else.
/r/MensRights09/06/15 05:13 AM
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I like that you address the re-framing that is needed, but I think your specific examples would run head-first into the SJW firewall. For example, a common reply will be, "Why do boys need better schooling? They end up getting the good jobs anyway..." and "If you want equality, we need to shut down the patriarchal machine first." But I absolutely agree. Saying, "We need compassion for men" is the worst possible thing to say. Some strategies I think are viable are: Pointing out the absurdities of…
/r/MensRights09/06/15 05:01 AM
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men's liberation requires men to learn to ask for help, show their pain, etc. I hope to God MRM doesn't depend on that, because I just don't think its plausible. For the most part, men compete with other men for status and attractiveness to other women. "Asking for help" and "showing their pain" puts them at risk of losing both those things, especially at the hands of other men. It's different for women's lib, because "asking for help" and "showing pain" are things that women are both willing to…
/r/MensRights09/06/15 04:41 AM
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yes, but I'd be irritated if other stories exclusively used the second set of graphs, which could easily be misinterpreted as saying female vets have a higher suicide. Although a "coat tail strategy" might be a way to go.
/r/MensRights09/06/15 03:52 AM
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A female voice for men's rights is a many times more powerful than a male voice. I hope you can use voice to help us out. Even something small, like posting in your Facebook circle can make a difference. Thanks.
/r/MensRights08/06/15 05:38 AM
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Overall, a win. Even sympathetic journalists have to cover their ass and throw in a few SJW standard lines. This one probably used the minimum amount of them to keep his job.
/r/MensRights08/06/15 05:25 AM
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the scary thing is that, since feminism has infiltrated the mainstream, it's entirely possible that this woman was the best candidate, at least in terms of her technical ability, and that her extracurricular SJW indoctrination made her commit this absurdity.
/r/MensRights08/06/15 01:42 AM
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This professor can't be racist. Racism = prejudice + power. For the professor to have Power, she would have to be in a position to deny someone an opportunity... oh wait...
/r/MensRights08/06/15 01:35 AM
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More SJW rhetorical judo: Boys drop out of school? Privilege. Proof: Insert names of some business leaders. Boys with learning and emotional disabilities? Privilege. Proof: Insert names of some geniuses. Men go to jail. Privilege. Proof: Insert names of some male civic leaders. Men commit suicide. Privilege. Proof: Insert names some male artists and musicians. Basically, issue that might garner some compassion from a normal human being is reinterpreted as something to feel envious and resentful …
/r/MensRights06/06/15 11:41 PM
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The quote seems to contradict its vision of "no longer believing that when she is in a relationship, she is a man’s property." Men: "loving", "respectful" = active, subject Women: "valued", "safe" = passive, object Sounds like a father's advice to his son on how to take care of his first car.
/r/MensRights06/06/15 04:46 AM
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yeah, pretty weird...
/r/MensRights05/06/15 04:58 PM
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I would go with "attention whore" since what got her in the spotlight in the first place was her own doing. Also, I would guess that performance artists and actors tend to like attention.
/r/MensRights05/06/15 04:56 PM
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wow, that might even be brilliant. It'll be interesting to see how feminists react to this. Although last I've checked I've seen no mention on slate of huffpo.
/r/MensRights05/06/15 04:53 PM
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is she a feminist? If she's a traditionalist, at least she's being consistent.
/r/MensRights05/06/15 04:35 AM
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YOU are in control of how much information or personal details you wish to share with others on the internet. the word "responsibility" has been replaced with "blaming the victim."
/r/MensRights05/06/15 03:08 AM
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Because on the Internet, straw men win wars.
/r/MensRights05/06/15 02:50 AM
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You've gotta admit, feminists kick butt at coming up with buzzwords or buzzphrases, like "Mansplaining" and "Rape Culture," and insinuating them into popular culture. Where are the MRA buzzwords? Maybe we need to have weekly contests to come up with some.
/r/MensRights05/06/15 02:46 AM
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I agree. Science is not about lab coats, it's about the methodology of formulating and testing hypotheses. Granted, it is mostly a non-experimental scientific field. But then again, astronomy and human evolution are also mostly non-experimental.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 07:27 PM
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I omitted economic class because, rhetorically, it seems like it couldn't really stand as a male issue. The instant I talk about say, homeless men, the SJW response will be, "What about homeless women? They have it worse because they could be overpowered and robbed/raped." Whereas, other issues tend to be more resistant to these type of replies. For example, even the SJWs themselves were meme-ing stories of black males being shot or otherwise killed. I did not see any attempt to try to turn it d…
/r/MensRights03/06/15 07:20 PM
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I guess its more the country sacrificing its men, rather than the men sacrificing themselves.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 08:50 AM
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Yes, hence "portraits" and not, "selfies I took when I got my draft notice," lol. I agree, this is very SJW-friendly stuff, which is why I think it's a great way to address men's rights without getting the usual eye rolling. MRM needs more memes with this tone, seeing how the SJW's have tons of it and have turned MRAs into internet pariahs. Fwiw, I'm not against the draft in emergency situations, but I posted this mostly for it's MRM P.R. value.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 08:23 AM
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No, it's probably better, especially if they haven't had formal "training" in feminism (e.g., in a SJW college major). If you do happen to run into a trained feminist, you will run into their underlying philosophical assumptions. I classify them as: "Collective Justice" -- the belief that moral and legal judgements should be based on group characteristics, rather than an individuals' characteristics. Thus, when MRAs point out situations where a particular group of men face anti-male discriminati…
/r/MensRights03/06/15 08:09 AM
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This is actually a bad sign since the school is essentially sheltering their radical feminists from outside scrutiny, while simultaneously fostering their growth. It's akin to schools hiding their admissions policies because they don't want to admit they use racial preferences.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 05:45 AM
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They've been pretty empathetic so far they don't sound like typical feminists. Are you guys college students? message of "we are all oppressed together" Yeah, definitely don't turn it into a zero-sum competition for victimhood.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 05:27 AM
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This would be a good meme. I think it's something that brings to light male gender-role stereotypes as well as the sacrifices that many men make. And it does so in a way that doesn't scream "MRA." In fact, I got this link from a non-MRA woman. Share it if you like it.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 05:19 AM
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Sounds like a trap. Be careful!
/r/MensRights03/06/15 03:41 AM
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That could be a good thing, seeing how a government men's site could easily get hijacked by feminists: "Prostate cancer is terrible, though not quite as terrible as breast cancer..." "Anger issues can lead to high blood pressure, but more worrisome, it can lead to domestic abuse..." "Safe sex is important, and it begins with the affirmative consent of your partner..." "To access our full health database, share our 'safe space' meme on your Facebook or Twitter..."
/r/MensRights03/06/15 02:11 AM
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I was thinking entirely of rhetoric, in particular, internet shares and meme production. Never thought of the infiltration angle, since that sounds tedious.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 01:45 AM
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Men were, and still are, viewed as more threatening, whether they are gay or straight. Men's issues are gay men's issues.
/r/MensRights02/06/15 07:40 AM
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I still see a lot of the "boo hoo" from feminists when boys are mentioned. There seems to be a belief that pro-male bias will somehow carry them through. What these feminists fail to see is that the boys who drop out of high school or college won't even be in a position to benefit from the supposed sexism that she cites, especially if they wind up in prison or not working.
/r/MensRights02/06/15 05:07 AM
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he should have. With the "preponderance of evidence" standard, he probably had a better chance getting her expelled or to scare her into dropping the case, than simply defending himself. The lesson here is offense is better than defense. And, if necessary, it seems like manufacturing evidence is also a reasonable play, since there doesn't seem to be any rule against it.
/r/MensRights02/06/15 04:28 AM
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Put a feminist spin on anything nowadays and you'll gain political traction.
/r/MensRights01/06/15 05:27 AM
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For a typical male, I think the obstacles to advocacy (using their real name) are, in approximate order of biggest to smallest are: Looking unmanly in front of non-feminist women Judgement and ridicule from non-feminist men, especially if women are present. Resistance or indifference of non-feminist men who would rather focus on the positive rather than the negative. White Knights Female Feminists I was also going to list "ignorance," but I wasn't sure where it would rank.
/r/MensRights01/06/15 05:03 AM
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What the problem is, is that men are afraid to discuss there issues around women. Unfortunately, "advocacy" involves discussing things around women, even if it's through social media. This means most guys will be "in the closet" regarding these issues, which is a huge political problem; because of their silence, the public narrative will continue to have an anti-male bias.
/r/MensRights01/06/15 04:37 AM
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What's your data, and what are you even trying to argue?
/r/MensRights01/06/15 04:09 AM
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Do you really think married men aren't under more pressure to be employed and the bread winner? Even if men and women had the same labor statistics and trends (they don't), all that is needed is for men to be more emotionally invested in being the breadwinner for them to be over-represented in the suicide rate. Keep in mind that the number of unemployed, underemployed, "discouraged workers", and/or low earners are measured in millions, whereas suicide is in the 10s of thousands.
/r/MensRights31/05/15 04:58 PM
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How many women do you see marrying utterly unemployable or constantly in/out of work men? As I said above, a guy can have a decent job when he gets married, but his entire occupation/industry gets slammed by imports, automation, outsourcing and/or a change in consumer demand. He becomes "structurally unemployed," which is usually a long-term prospect. Your preexisting depression/suicidal tendency theory also seems spurious given that a proportion of these men will have commited suicide having ne…
/r/MensRights31/05/15 08:03 AM
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That was one of my points. Hence, "spurious correlation." Men may be more likely to want to kill themselves over their unemployment, nonemployment, or low wages (perhaps because society still expects them to be breadwinners). On top of that, during the Great Recession, male unemployment was higher than female. Check out this interactive graph that indicates a significant gap between men and women unemployment. http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2013/ted_20130806.htm Also, keep in mind, the "recovery" o…
/r/MensRights31/05/15 07:24 AM
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Great question. I believe the /MR suggested reading, "The War Against Boys," by Christina Hoff Sommers, addresses this question. Unfortunately it's not on Audible, so I haven't read it. But you've just inspired me to read the Kindle version some time in the near future. Post again if you come up with any interesting classroom ideas!
/r/MensRights30/05/15 06:39 AM
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The lack of any official structures for the MRM makes it hard to hijack. Feminists have gender studies departments and women's centers, which could, in theory, be hijacked and occupied for decades by whoever. In contrast, the MRM relies on a bunch of websites and a few subreddits, which could be replaced and repopulated in years, if not months, if they were ever hijacked. This is why I'd be suspicious of something like a campus "Men's Center." It's an easily hijackable structure.
/r/MensRights30/05/15 06:07 AM
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In the case of men, I suspect divorce is probably more of a symptom, rather than a cause, of suicidal tendency. A man who is chronically unemployed or otherwise low-earning may become depressed and suicidal. He is also more likely to get divorced. This creates a spurious correlation between divorce and suicide, when the actual connection is between economic stress and suicide. Another, more direct, possibility is that it could be the case that a wife is more likely to leave a clinically depresse…
/r/MensRights30/05/15 05:33 AM
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regardless of the larger context, that's a pretty good quote.
/r/MensRights29/05/15 06:31 PM
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the upside is that Hillary is probably less feminist than a male equivalent, who would have to go out of his way to show his White Knight credentials. And if Hillary wins, guys can just say, "Enough of the sexism talk, we have an effing woman for a president!" Assuming she goes up against a male Republican in the general election, she might even do some electoral poaching by giving lip service to some men's issues.
/r/MensRights29/05/15 06:15 PM
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and to complete the self-fulfilling prophecy she'll choose a SJW major in college.
/r/MensRights29/05/15 04:23 PM
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Imagine the real damage that is done when male students are afraid to ask for help..
/r/MensRights29/05/15 05:51 AM
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"But why is this a problem if men end up earning more than women anyway? This is actually proof of male privilege!" Then you mention how the actual wage gap is either small or nonexistent. You may even mention that when these male dropouts become unemployed, go to prison, or claim a disability, these terrible results are not reflected in wage data. You could go further and mention than many women want to be married to a bread winner, and are thus also hurt when these men don't succeed. Then the …
/r/MensRights29/05/15 05:46 AM
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So, does this mean more attention and resources will go to suicide prevention generally, thereby helping men as well? Or will feminists be able to capture all the benefits in the form of women's centers and women-only suicide prevention?
/r/MensRights28/05/15 05:05 PM
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I gotta admit, that's some pretty brilliant jedi mind shit.
/r/MensRights28/05/15 05:01 PM
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I wonder if this is partly because women are being encouraged to close the gender gap.
/r/MensRights28/05/15 03:28 AM
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Ramsay Bolton is an unambiguous bad guy and a total psychopath. That a character like him would rape a main character is neither gratuitous nor a promotion of "rape culture." If Tyrion or Jon Snow did something similar then they might have a point.
/r/MensRights28/05/15 03:01 AM
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it's relevant, but in an indirect way. It shows the power and the assertiveness of SJWs, which I suppose is useful in the same way checking the weather report is. Additionally, it shows how popular the notion of the complete social construction of gender is, which is often used as a rational for believing that any differences between men and women must be caused by some type of institutionalized power imbalance.
/r/MensRights27/05/15 08:08 AM
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MRA's are much more guided by their opposition to modern feminism, which argues that girls are institutionally oppressed and thus in need of special treatment, while boys are institutionally privileged and thus in the need of special restrictions. The conflict between feminists and MRAs centers around who is the oppressor and what is the privilege.
/r/MensRights26/05/15 09:42 PM
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Christina Hoff Sommers is great, but are there any other female researchers/popularizers doing similar work? If CHS were to suddenly die I imagine there would be quite a void.
/r/MensRights26/05/15 06:20 PM
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yeah, instead of acknowledging when a relevant fact has been pointed out, they'll argue about how such a fact distracts from other issues, or how that particular fact might be misused by someone with bad intentions. Then the fact is promptly forgotten.
/r/MensRights26/05/15 06:16 PM
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I agree we must defend our rights. But, ideally, we could do it without infringing on other people's property rights. Even war should have its rules. But I understand that we want these rules to be enforced bilaterally, so ideally we would work out an agreement with the other subs... One more consideration we should have: Commenting into the offending article is one important way to let the MRA message be heard, and I don't know of a way to do that without increasing that articles traffic. By us…
/r/MensRights26/05/15 05:45 PM
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I made a comment on meta, but I thought I'd start a discussion here also. Isn't archiving a type of piracy? I mean, shouldn't writers and sites be able to get paid for the content they create? Don't we have the choice of not reading their drivel if we don't like it? I understand that opposing camps are doing the same thing, and that makes it hard to unilaterally "disarm." I'm torn on the issue and just wanted to hear people's thoughts.
/r/MensRights25/05/15 08:46 PM
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the vast majority of professional-level economics studies on wage disparities use regression analysis of some type. It's pretty much the default approach. So Google any economics article on the topic and you will see the credible sources you are looking for. The general finding is that gender disparities shrink when regressions are used. iainmf posted a link above from the U.S. Dept. of Labor that also uses regression analysis. It's a good study pretty much in line with the economics mainstream.…
/r/MensRights25/05/15 08:24 PM
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You will have to understand rudimentary "Regression Analysis" to understand the wage gap. Simply comparing men and women within the same occupation is misleading because there are many other confounding variables and will skew the averages. Regression analysis allows for those variables to be accounted for.
/r/MensRights25/05/15 11:19 AM
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/when-men-behave-badly/article24565759/ What is missed here is that risk-taking is a double-edged sword. When risk leads to failure, those people are often branded losers and are swept under the rug or are openly ridiculed. But when it leads to success, they're called brilliant and are admired and envied. To paraphrase Christine Hoff Sommers: "Men tend to fail and succeed more spectacularly than women." Unfortunately, when the media talks about gender i…
/r/MensRights25/05/15 10:40 AM
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this seems to be the normal pattern among advocacy groups of all stripes
/r/MensRights25/05/15 08:54 AM
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You got to admit, it's a pretty brilliant project; every moment is a photo-op waiting to go viral. I can't imagine what the MRA equivalent would be...
/r/MensRights25/05/15 05:55 AM
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