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Women dont like average though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:28 AM
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Which is why he was talking about romantic opportunities. If it was only sex then yeah, you can just go to grinder or have sex with a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:31 AM
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Shouldnt it be question for blue pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:51 AM
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Yes, you have valid arguments which proves the point of it being a societal issue imo (because you started by saying how it is just men sending other men to war or something).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:32 AM
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They dont have to say it because it is so obvious that men are conscripted that there is no societal discussion about it. It is not a topic in any elections.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:06 AM
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I am assuming that members of the house are somehow elected by the general public. If that is the case then why you dont see this as a societal issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:57 AM
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"like most countries, half of those votes are always gonna be men. therefore, how is it dependent on women?" I would just say that it is a societal issue like most similar gender issues / expectations. There are some issues caused by one gender of course, but laws are not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:41 AM
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But we need a term to describe (the most) attractive men because they play so important role.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:28 AM
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Do you know that women can vote in governmental elections to choose leaders of their country?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:25 AM
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Is taking only options available to you really a choice in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:37 PM
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By red pill alpha fuck (the boyfriend) and beta bucks (the husband). But it seems your boyfriend is also a beta cuck. Who is a stag btw?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:47 PM
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This is indeed some strange case where both alpha and beta are cucked in a way :D
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:17 PM
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Yes, she seemed like a combatitive hack that is so common here. But come on, men expect women to cook? Where are you from, Russia or something? :D Because in progressive former communist countries that is not the case at all. As you stated, women have always been working. It is not like usa where women got the chance to open bank accounts starting from the 1980s or something. Everything is very 50/50 here / there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:39 PM
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Maybe I wasnt clear but the issue is when woman is not expected to hold the traditional roles then expecting men to pay is a problem. Otherwise probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:54 PM
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I think he dropped the ball by saying that these are men's expectations. Maybe in his country it is like that but as someone from a progressive former communist country - this is not true at all. No one expects women to do the domestic labour by themselves. So this is where the toxic dynamic really comes into play of "oh, I will not be a stay at home wife but will still expect men to pay the bills". But in the situation described by you / previous commenter - your comment is totally fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:38 PM
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So maybe they have a point then. Conservstives and feminists finding common ground horseshoe theory :D
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:52 PM
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Maybe that men cant go into women's bathrooms falls into that category?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:26 AM
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I am always wondering about men of certain (minority) ethnicity - is it acceptable to generalize about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:25 AM
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You are probably not the only woman but you are in a strong minority with these kinds of attractions. If we would all just go by personal experience then shouldnt red pill (men) win because they have much more experience? You are just one woman and go by that, maybe you observe your friend group also. By being a man you get to know what different women tend to like and notice patterns there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:27 AM
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Yes, feminism is the biggest motte and bailey there is. Bailey is all the regular nonsense we know about it but motte is "we just want equal rights guys, how you can be against that?"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:38 AM
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It is just motte and bailey. Bailey is the actual definition of giving power to men and then the defensible motte is how it is actually bad for everyone and we should fight against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:32 AM
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I am not blue piller, but I dont fully subscribe to red pill views either and I want to see some valid blue pill debunking of them. I think that we should go back to basics what being blue pilled means - being in a comfortable illusion (vs being red pilled - knowing the uncomfortable truth). Regarding dating the comfortable view is that women like kind and hard working men. I dont think that the Disney movie view is that women are actually working the same or even more - this does not seem to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:24 PM
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Maybe I just misunderstand hypergamy then, but it could be something else then like "men have to be working hard and women dont have to work as much" or something. Yes, I think according to the blue pill it should be then that women like hard working honest men. What I mean is that some red pill points can be true or at least have a basis in truth and the correct blue pill way would be to interpret it differently rather than to argue the opposite. Arguing the opposite what has some truth to it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:27 PM
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I wonder where is the line between genuine nuance and obfuscating the issue though? Lets take the claim that looks is the most important factor in attracting women. Quite bold and strong claim, it should be a quite easy yes or no. I think if you start bringing nuance how looks are not the only thing that matters then it seems strange tbh and it could be viewed as mudding the waters. That is the case without giving a clear answer first like "Yes, but it is not the only thing that matters" can be …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:21 PM
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You can have overlaps with some ideology but still disagree with it as a whole / in general if that is what you meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:09 PM
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Maybe I dont agree with the exact wording of the OP, but the general blue pill idea how most women are not to be blamed for their own (dating) problems - like you brought out in a list of red pill ideas so I assume that blue pill is against that list and in favor of the opposite. I think that the correct blue pill way to argue with those points should be different though than arguing the opposite of the red pill ideas. Lets take women being hypergamous for example. I think that correct blue pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:06 PM
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The same answer can be just "I dont know" to some questions also.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:41 PM
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Good point actually, but no, I think I agree with the OP. His last sentence could explain it a bit what I have in mind: "But one thing is actually coherent in the Blue Pill: “Good” women are NEVER to blame for anything." So this is one of the blue pill results / conclusions and everythink has to track back to it. And the mental gymnastics used to do it are not coherent. Edit: I personally dont like that aspect of the blue pill and also the need to argue in women's favor already means that red pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:28 PM
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Not really though, blue pill is quite clear ideology and not everyone who disagrees with red pill is blue pilled - there are black pillers who disagree with both even though overlaps are present with red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:59 PM
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I would argue that it is Red Pill's weakness rather (to gain popularity / validity in public debate). Blue Pill can transform as currently needed and flank the Red Pill by using Black Pill arguments and you cant win that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:55 PM
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I dont think these men actually say that to the women they interact with in real life. It is just anon online venting mostly and discussing the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:29 AM
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"She felt she had to" can mean different things though. One is that she was somehow forced by an abusive partner - well, that is bad, no argument here. But it can also mean that she feels she has to do something for her partner to make him feel happy because she likes him so much. She might not be enthusiastic about it (like OP's "good scenario"), but it is still a sign of her doing something to someone she truelly likes and not for the settle down beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:45 PM
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I wonder why is that though? Especially in some anon online forum - what kind of societal norms are holding women back from saying what they really like?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:44 AM
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But it does. Depending on how hard you have to be convinced :D Anyway interesting insight. For me there are differences in all categories like "wow, she is super hot" and "she is quite cute" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:57 PM
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Well, okay, it is not just time, but the progress is quite automatic and part of regular life path. I think that we should compare 30 yo man with a 20 yo man and then it is clear how much better it is just to be older and this is the key here. When we compare similar aged people and focus on their progress then it is kind of missing the point. I already stated that it is better to improve yourself and use time wisely. But if we compare the successful 30 yo man, the average 30 yo man and some 20 …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:56 AM
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This is so crazy though, you dont think there are differences/levels between how attractive or unattractive someone is? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:44 AM
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You are correct, but the reasoning is off a bit. Why wouldnt you want info from the customer for example? Women are like the customers of the dating service offered by men. The question is why women give bad advice? Is it on purpose or they actually dont understand what is attractive to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:58 PM
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Well, we can put 7 in the attractive camp then. So 6 is invisible but a chance of becoming visible. The point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:46 PM
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I would say that there is a difference between a 7 and 5. They are both kind of invisible, but the 7 might become invisible while the 5 cant. Just like a 4 can become invisible not just ugly etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 06:10 PM
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So, first category are 8-10 chads, second is sub 8 normies and third are sub 5-s. So you could put it into numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:08 PM
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The thing is that I actually agree but for me it is still more tilted towards age/time doing the most here. Of course you should not be a loser stuck in some min wage job living paycheck to paycheck and of course it is better to use your time wisely. But these are the extremes and most people are just doing some regular work and steadily climbing the career ladder. So this is what I mean by age giving you the most benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:12 AM
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I think becoming more wealthy with age is kind of a byproduct of calendar moving or at least it is in that gray area because you get money just by working. And I would actually argue that men becoming more attractive by becoming older. OP was more explaining the reasons why older men are more attractive (status, money etc), but disregarded the aspect of age itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:17 AM
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Well, there are women's issues that men also fight for like (sexual) harassment (at workplace) etc but also some general issues are being sneaked into women's issues. Like women are not fighting against homelessness in general, but focus on the issue of 1 out of 5 homeless people are women :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:10 AM
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I just saw here that women were making fun of that issue :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:12 AM
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But that was the initial point that men care about everyone's issues not just men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:05 AM
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I would say it is more red pill vs blue pill rather than men vs women. But yeah, women are more blue pilled in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:12 PM
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Yeah, exactly, it is depending on the context and there are valid cases of it being a sign of hiding the truth just like it just being preventing something bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:21 PM
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I think it is for couple reasons. One is to show that being shy is one of his downsides - he can be a good person and all but unfortunately he is also shy. So if being good was the only/largest thing that matters then wouldnt harm his dating prospects that much but it obviously does. Another is that he is not putting on an act - he is naturally shy and acts accordingly. This is the "just be yourself" aspect - if it works then being shy wouldnt harm you. It obviously does because I am also natura…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:05 PM
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It is about being a genuine down to earth guy. I think it is pretty telling if you view caring for other living beings and working for your passions instead of money just neutral rather than good btw :D
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:58 PM
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Okay, I get you and you are correct strictly speaking. I just find it strange that we all understand the idea of hiding the truth can be a sign of something whether it being the chernobyl cover-up or lying about your alibi in a criminal investigation etc. But since the act of covering up / lying is not proof itself then we have to pretend that it does not matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:35 PM
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Okay, maybe, I get it, but still we should consider them nice. Otherwise we have to agree that people rage baiting are actually not good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 04:59 PM
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Why do you think that? They could be. Again, unless we think that people actually believe what they say online which is what you were arguing against if I am not mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 04:03 PM
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Yeah, I understand, which is why I was having issues with the definiton of the word "abitrary". I dont know if it is abitrary to claim that, nazis are a difficult topic similarly to islamists etc because we actually dont know their motives - they could believe that they are doing the right thing. Better example would be russians because they are actually evil and want to hide the truth whether it being the modern day russia and the Ukraine war or their predecessors the soviet union or the russia…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 03:47 PM
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Yeah, they are actually just nice guys that are rage baiting online for more traction for their videos etc. Or they could actually believe what they say but that would mean people actually believing what they tell online - I am not sure if you are willing to believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 03:28 PM
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I dont know the exact definition of arbitrary (or I dont understand it rather because the definition itself I can just google :D), but I dont think it is. Since everyone is a big fan of bringing nazis as an example then I try to do the same. I think in nazi germany also some things/info were forbidden - bookburnings are an example of that. I think they tried to destroy the truth to push their own tilted narrative. So I would argue that in this context censorship is in itself a proof of something…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:17 AM
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So what if they demand that? It is just rage bait and seem to be an effective one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:59 AM
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Being appealing is not the same thing as it being true, but it is maybe/likely true - why else would it be appealing? Also, banning something could mean it being true, or again, likely to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:30 AM
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It is not that silly to be honest. I think wherever you lie on the political spectrum, we can all agree that the political landscape is quite messed up so people start looking for answers and the "forbidden knowledge" seems appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 04:43 AM
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Yes, that is the socially normalized virtue signaling. If you have to pay attention to something and cut through the BS to discover lookism then that is not the normalized thing. And it is never served as you should look physically hotter on pictures. It is always that you should dress nice and have some clever pictures or something cute with a dog etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:59 AM
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This does not seem right - how has lookism been always pretty normalized? Even on Tinder, the claimed reason you fail is never because of how you physically look. It is always because you are doing some lazy photo in the bathroom or because of your boring bio etc :D So Tinder being mainstream for 10+ years still does not mean lookism has been normalized over all that time (or even before that).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:48 AM
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I like how lookism is so normalized now that black pill subs are making a comeback that previously were banned :D
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:38 AM
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But they kind of are though and I dont think that having some exceptions is enough to debunk it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:06 AM
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Well, the reasons why are quite important though if the reasons are totally unfounded regarding women's actual appearences :D
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:48 PM
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You are just describing sour grapes. That if you cant have something then "you didnt want it anyway". All these men are just coping by doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:16 PM
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Yes, but you just sound black pilled, no? Red pill is the bigges delusion because as you said - it is like being schizophrenic. Blue pill is somewhere in the middle because in addition of all the blue pilled delusion you listed, blue pillers are adapting more and more the black pill. Lookism is actually a common sense blue pilled idea IF you dont make women look bad by arguing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:06 PM
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Well, X is a letter and sex is an activity. How you can even have "abundant access to X"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:14 AM
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She said that she had tons of casual sex before in another comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:14 AM
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Indeed, one of the things you cant accuse red pillers of is being an out of shape lazy slob. Red pillers I know are all fit, have good income, are active etc. It makes sense because this is what RP teaches us :D
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 05:09 AM
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Sorry, I was unclear :) what I mean is that if there are so many other people who have different ideas then where is their content? Why I can never see that however hard I try to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:23 AM
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What content are those 100 million people doing then? Where are tik toks showing the opposite of what OP described?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:05 AM
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Good take actually and I also like the comparison between dating and jobs. The issue is that people are given opportunities to get jobs - education for example. What is given to get women? And even if you dont get a job then you are still given some income by the state. No free waifus by the state :D So because of these differences the seemingly similar situation is actually quite different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 03:48 PM
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Why is there consent needed if it is not gross? I mean telling about it but not the act itself - ofc that needs it :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:44 PM
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It just seems that women actually are grossed out by the thought of men wanting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:28 PM
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Maybe my wording is not the best, but I specifically said that having sex with her is something I would like. I didnt mean it as a proposition but just stating a fact. So is it gross then? Me stating a fact that I would like to have sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:24 PM
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It is actually an interesting point and I dont know what the solution would be. Hmm. Maybe we are at the stage where we are just too close minded about this issue. Before this social stuff got popular then finding a job was also your responsibility. No one owes you anything and you have to "pick yourself up by the boitstraps". And as a last thing to mention, a lot of it is just venting not a plan to get government mandated waifus or something :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 07:21 AM
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I would like to have sex with you. Is it gross that I would want it? And if so then this is being grossed out by men wanting to have sex and it is not in your list.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 07:02 AM
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I think they didnt have a great point to begin with. It is totally valid to point out someone's blindness to their privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:55 AM
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Comments here are so fun and wholesome to read. I think we have all established that women have an easy time in dating (whatever color pill you believe) so OP is now getting fire from all directions - even from blue / purple pilled women :D
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:28 PM
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I think it is a sign of the "80/20 rule" being outdated and now being something like the "95/5 rule". That even chadlites are considered (below) average.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:25 PM
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The fact that there are such things as (government funded) womans shelters is showing that these women have society's sympathy. So they should probably care about that then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:48 AM
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In many places I found that 63% of young men are single. The rest are probably in dead bedroom betabucks relationships which means de facto single.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:25 AM
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In many places I found that 63% of young men are single. The rest are probably in dead bedroom betabucks relationships which means de facto single.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:25 AM
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I think answer to all of your question should be "yes" even though the last one was a quite loaded one. Is it eugenics if a woman wants to abort their fetus/baby that has a serios illness and will just live for a few months in immense pain?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:17 AM
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"in reality these guys often make no effort to see their kids" Doesnt this mean that this baby daddy is too incompetent to see his kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:38 AM
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There are levels of ugly though. Someone 3-4/10 can be considered ugly, but having sex with them is still better than jerking off.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:32 AM
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Not for stacies unfortunately. But you can get average women yes. OR you just luck out - it can happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 12:04 PM
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I know it very clearly. If the woman is available and especially if she has online dating profile but does not show any interest if I initiate conversations (this is in the soft approach setting). In online dating and cold approach it is too obvious to even explain :D But regarding men overrating themselves - well, mainstream belief is the blue pilled view of looks doesnt matter so ofc men dont think that they are out of someone's league. More and more popularity is gaining the red pill which sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:25 AM
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But would she still have sex or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:45 AM
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Okay, but a forced poly is kind of chesting. I mean a situation where man is getting a raw deal without getting sex himself while woman is having sex with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:40 AM
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How is it not poly then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 07:39 AM
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This is so crazy how people are gaslighting about the definition. Even generic wiki page tells it has many: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold It does not have to be a sex kink. It can be also raising another man's child or just being the husband of a cheating wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 07:21 AM
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Yes, that was my point. And the word "benefit" in quotation marks because as you said - everyone else benefit much more from it actually :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:45 AM
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Cuckoldry is not only a fetish - it is a bit wider term that has more meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:43 AM
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But most men need commitment to get any sex at all so I would still argue that monogamy is "benefitng" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:29 AM
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Different in theory but in practice men dont have much options to sleep with other women. So if only the women is sleeping with other people then it is de facto cuckoldry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:20 AM
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The numbers just dont add up though. There are roughly same amount of women and men but women are attracted only to top 20%. So because other women are settling with someone they dont like anyway then why not benefit from having side boyfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:47 AM
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Isnt polyamory a form of cuckoldry? So you are already doing what OP is describing/suggesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:40 AM
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The target market can be quite small. I am quite active in niche markets like classic cars and antiques etc so I know what I am talking about. The idea of not being able to sell quickly an SS Totenkopf or tsarist era coin is not a sign of these things actually holding no value or me targering the wrong market. Edit: only thing I would agree with if your product is too niche and you will (almost) never find the buyer - then a good point. Like being someone like Tom Cruise - a very handsome guy be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:53 AM
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Depending what you are selling. If you are selling some niche product then determining market value is quite difficult and can vary a lot depending how quickly you want to sell it. So in this case I am "selling" a niche product of being an average guy. Actually even more niche of being quite handsome but on the shorter side. So I know that I am in the league of average women (it is possible for me to get them), but since finding that "buyer" can be quite hard then I was often "selling" to below …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:42 AM
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Yes, it is kind of "vibey" and subconscious that it is hard to put your finger on it or define it exactly. But I think "calculating" someone's SMV is similar - hard to have a specific formula for it :D
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:28 AM
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You can keep up the convincing charade for long enough for sure. And it is basically just a version of pumping and dumping just done by more average men. I dont see why this is bad but it is fine if chads do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 06:58 AM
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Being in someones league is being similar in SMV. If chad is dumpsterdiving by getting ugly women then they are not in the same league. Similar to if sometimes an average guy lucks out and gets a stacy then they are still not in same league.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 06:50 AM
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I think it was more a thing of the past and I also did it. Dumpster dived way below my league for that initial experience. But now it is not possible anymore. Even aiming few points down your level is hard as an average looking guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 06:29 AM
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I am not saying most men are unknowing cuckolds. They are just in relationships with former single mothers. So, raising chad's children in other words.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:58 AM
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Well, it is not the whole truth. Most men in committed relationships are the settle down betabucks. They are in relationships with post wall alpha widows and raising their chad's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:16 PM
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I like how self reported studies are "hard facts and data" for you :D We all know that men tend to exaggerate their sexual activity while women tend to downplay it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:14 PM
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Does anyone know about the verification / acceptance procedure when posting here? I am fascinated about a topic that I would like to post about but am afraid that it will not be allowed / will be accepted after a long time when it will not create any traction anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:39 PM
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Yes, looks are the "only thing that matter" in a way that if you cant pass the initial looks threshold for that initial "spark" then it is over. And yes, it is mostly about things you cant change like your facial features or height.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:37 PM
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I think you are the most blue pilled red piller I have ever seen according to your couple last comments :D Keywords are 80/20 rule and AFBB for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:27 PM
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It is a thing, there are plenty of posts / comments from blue pillers about "well, duh, of course the initial attraction has to be there to begin with".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:22 PM
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I dont think this is the case that average (5/10 face and 5'10 in height) men are all dating average women? Most of them are lonely or dating ugly women if they are lucky :D I think this is just something we have to agree to disagree on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:34 PM
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I think since blue pillers started accepting blackpill ideology like lookism then red pillers have to adapt. Fighting against black pill without giving some of their ideas credit is impossible and a losing game.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:32 PM
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Well, women dont want average men - they only want chads and brads. If women were attracted to average men then men would have almost no issues in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:28 PM
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Yes, only people benefiting from it are at least average looking men. Under that it is over for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:26 PM
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Well, it is about competition though. It is not only chads but also chatlites and brads you have to compete with in order for women to notice and prefer you. So unless you can be at least a 7 then not much point in improving yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:13 PM
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So if the max you can do is raise your SMV by only 2 points then what is the point of putting in all that effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:10 PM
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Well, yeah, understandable to be jealous (or envious rather) of someone having things easier. But at the same time not hating them is important - they are not responsible of the good conditions they got. Which is probably why he deleted his comment - he understood he was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 08:04 AM
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Oh, yeah, exactly. I actually didnt even think about it but the gaslighting aspect is making me think that it is malicious what they are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:10 AM
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Well, part of the resentment is actually coming from the fact that I wouldnt exact in the same way given their circumstances. I think it is harmful for themselves and for the society. And I dont want to pretend to be a saint here. I have no resentment towards chads and being in their position - I actually would act the same :D They are not harming themselves and harm to society is kept at a minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:01 AM
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I think it is about the toxic combination of having things easier but at the same time complaining how their life is harder. This can be triggering and causing hatred for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:41 AM
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Everything is relative indeed. If everyone in that village has to walk few miles for water then that is not oppression. But being the only demographic group that is doing worse than others economically and socially etc then it feels like oppression even if is regarding some "first world problems" like not being able to date or afford a house.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:09 AM
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Mm, yeah, I dont know the right term. Being jacked often means being like a huge bodybuilder and this might totally be a turnoff, I agree. By my definition being jacked is being someone like zyzz or jeff seid (fitness guys from 10+ years ago, havent kept up with it that much :D ). They are shredded and have muscle definition but they also have mass to it. They are not like lean olympic athletes or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:18 PM
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I didnt say it is good - actually quite strange
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 09:51 AM
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I mean the transmaxxing trend is real - more and more men are transitioning into women :D
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 09:29 AM
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Well, explain also how the reality being something else regarding men being oppressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:54 AM
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I like how the future solution is just turning LBGT - women are becoming lesbians and men are transmaxxing. Luckily it all balances out I hope :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:52 AM
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Yeah, same for me which is why I never cared too much about being lean and having a sixpack etc. Better to be dirtybulking and putting on size in that region :D
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:34 AM
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I have been wondering the same thing but I am not sure. Being fit is good for sure and most women like it, but do you think they wouldnt prefer a more muscular build? So, in other words, women probably still prefer a more jacked guy, but being just lean and fit is also good and probably enough given your other traits. Similar to being 6'4 is better than being 5'11, but being 5'11 is probably enough if you have other attractive traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:02 AM
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You dont have to do anything. If you have already achieved the attractiveness level to be paired up then that is all what is needed. No woman will leave you if you are not a good partner after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 04:45 AM
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I think you have to be in a very specific looks range for muscles to really help you - around 5-6 probably. If you are ugly then no amount of muscles will help you, if you are 7+ then you probably had no issues getting women before having muscles anyway. Also I think you have to be legit jacked to impress someone with muscles - like zyzz or something which also means getting on gear. As someone natty who peaked at deadlifting around 400 and benching 300 pounds - yes, I was quite buff but far off…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 04:40 AM
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Well, to be fair then lookism is not red pilled but black pilled view which blue pillers have now claimed, especially blue pilled women. They are pretending how they have always believed that looks are the most important and how it is common knowledge and "normal" that women find only the top 10-20% of men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:57 AM
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The idea is that men want to spread their seed and they know that women will be 99% responsible and doing the work of raising the children. In reality, I have never met (dated) a woman who didnt want children even though I dont want them myself (at least for now in this economy and (geo)political situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:56 AM
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They are more knowledgeable. And to be clear then it is not all men - a lot of men also dont have good understanding about how things work. I think a valuable answer would be saying why you like it and to go in depth a bit then about it (to avoid "I like it because it is good" non answer :D ). I didnt see these kinds of answers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:32 PM
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Because one is voluntary and other is mandatory if I understood you correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:51 PM
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Nice takeaway from my comment. And even so, yes, sometimes being honest can be weird. Like if I would walk up to some girl in the gym and said that I liked her butt in those tight leggings or something. Weird thing to do, no? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:50 PM
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Okay, maybe you are smart and can understand your thought processes but many/most women clearly cant. This is well illustrated by all the answers here by women how they dress in certain ways "just because" or "I want to" or some other silly non answer. I think it is actually an interesting topic why men are more knowledgeable - pretty sure it is not magic though :) Something to think about indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:43 PM
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What is the point of this quite extreme example when I said men find MOST women attractive. So that point still stands and it would be quite weird then if men told their female friends that they find them attractive :D
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:38 PM
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Pretty sure that changing the rules to benefit men (by raising fitness standards) is not misandrist or harming men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:33 PM
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I sense some sarcasm but isnt it good though? This way you can also understand your thought process, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:52 PM
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I googled it and true - an interesting observation regarding sports clothing :) In general it is really sad. We have kind of arrived close to truth here regarding many other topics and often women here are "yes, I do/like X and so what? What are you going to do about it?" Harsh, but I appreciate the truth. But now we have to pretend how being half is just "being pretty for the girls" or something :D
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:39 PM
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It is actually quite scary and giving all kinds of sexist / misogynist thoughts to me because like - are they stupid? How they cant engage with this question/topic properly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:11 PM
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Props for calling out the "just because" nonsense. It is so important to dig deeper in this topic and the "just becausers" are rally ruining it for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:38 PM
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"Just like I am not attracted to all men, I know that all men are not attracted to me, so no I don't understand that a woman is attractive to a man from the start?" Men find most women attractive while women find only a small minority of men attractive. This is what I meant by the attraction being already there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:29 PM
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Umm, OP is just giving advice and you cant really compare regular simping with a hobby. People are doing some hobby because they like it. Men are simping because they expect something out of doing so not that they like it that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:17 AM
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You are dating a chad though, no amount of friendzoning would make chad unattractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:51 AM
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Oh okay, so it is not the bro-sis familiar friendship itself but in a group setting it would be weird then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:57 AM
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Men are too interesting if anything. I wonder how to bridge that interest gap though...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:53 AM
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Yeah, but I feel this kind of contradicts the "your husband should be your best friend" idea if with your closest male friends you have bro-sis type relationship where dating them would be weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:44 AM
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There was a post about this topic just yesterday where most women told that they would never date their friends :D
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:27 AM
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This post and comment section is like some wild opposite world. Blue piller is dropping based truthbombs and red piller is getting offended about the term "females" :D
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 02:48 AM
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"Most if not all women do not want to sleep with their friends, male or female. No matter how they look." I wonder why is that? Cant a relationship grow from friendship? And do women understand that they are attractive to men (from the start)? It does not have to be friendship - you can be a coworker or a cashier at the supermarket etc. The initial (sexual) attraction is always there. Where is the betrayal when a man already has sexual attraction but then because of shared interests etc he wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 12:40 AM
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Exaggeration, yes, but do you even see the main point? It is like being a spoiled brat your entire life and everything is handed to you on a silver platter. These experiences change people and can turn them "bad".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:46 AM
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Well, it is the other way around. Big companies and their marketing strategies are downstream from (mainstream) culture. But yes, having those companies pander to you feels like a victory - that your beliefs are so popular that they are now mainstream. It feels good and especially so if you are a "right winger".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:04 AM
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I think you are a bit late to the party with this take. Looks being (the most) important aspect has been a mainstream blue pilled fact for quite some time now. So yeah, you are correct and not much debate to be had regarding this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:55 AM
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Yes but if the initial looks threshold is not met then it does not matter that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:54 AM
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How you can recommend "being upfront" and at the same time admit that relationships evolving from friendships are totally fine? So being upfront about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:41 AM
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Yeah, and this is a huge issue and I think we cant solve it though a debate (especially here). Women just have some primal instict of being attracted to "bad boys" which in reality are murderers, domestic abusers, scammers etc. But in here they are downplayed as outgoing guys who dont care about speed tickets or something :D
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:54 PM
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So what do you define as black pill beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:49 PM
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Lookism and looksmaxxing etc still originated from black pill beliefs that are becoming more mainstream only now like other similar terms we see commonly like Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 08:16 AM
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I dont know if I should laugh or cry :D What you wrote (until last paragraph) makes total sense, but can you at least explain what is this attraction based on then if not looks? Not projecting anything, not making assumptions, just an honest quiestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 10:40 PM
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Well, sexual attraction that has nothing to do with the man's personality or (work) ethics means it is about looks which is a black pilled take. Or what your point was then? You argued that if attraction didnt matter then you could just marry your female friend. I am confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 10:16 PM
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Kind of off topic but important for future discussions: these deadbeats are what most of us consider as "assholes". And this is what women like. Assholes are not some biker guys who smoke weed and are sometimes trespassing to an abandoned mall or something that men are jealous of like some people want to make us believe :D
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 10:04 PM
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I totally agreed with your black pilled take about this topic but you were losing the plot in the last paragraph. If your whole point is that (sexual) attraction is the key in relationships then claiming how it is actually not important and just something cultural to be with deadbeats who are not even attractive does not make sense anymore, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 09:58 PM
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So, then I am correct and the "you are just wrong" argument was quite valid, no? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:31 AM
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You seem to be a good debater :) I just think that the burden of proof is on someone making wild claims. I can make a Tinder profile catfishing as an ugly fat woman and could have multiple dates lined up for the evening. What you have to say to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:26 AM
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Real life matters, I was just saying that your observations are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:19 AM
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I just told you that men here are just coping - they would love fat women but they cant have them so they think of a "didnt want them anyway" excuse. And in real life it is also not true - whether the "actual real life" or online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:58 AM
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Men who dont like fat women attractive or either Chads with plenty of other options or just sour grape copers who wouldnt get any women anyway. Most men find fat women attractive though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:42 AM
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But you actually dont have to do any of that as a woman and you would still be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:38 AM
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Yeah, this narrative is quite strange where women want a kind and carning and equal man but just in the bedroom they like rough sex and the man to take the lead etc. Btw, I grew up similar to you with a feminist mother who was blue pilling me but he had an abusive partner. Made no sense and I was red pilled early because of that :D
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 10:44 AM
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The amount of gas lighting by blue pillers in this sub is quite insane indeed :D Btw, I totally agree with your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 10:28 AM
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It makes sense for me but for others they are latching on to this 32 number. This is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:59 AM
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Yeah, I get it, but putting these exact numbers on it is not actually clarifying your experience but giving room for the disingenous interpretations like "oh, so all 32 were like that?" or "32 women are not all women" or something :D
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:56 AM
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They probably had different kinks and not all of them didnt know what to eat to be fair. OP was just trying to say that he has had enough experience to make these claims but this additional context actually made things a bit more unclear.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:35 AM
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I like how women being hypergamous is the next concept blue pillers try to normalize and claim as their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:28 AM
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It was similar for me too but I wonder how much of it is just subconscious coping and how much is the actual "the whole package is off"? I mean I was afraid to approach the prettiest girl in my school because of the class/status differece. She was very wealthy and I was just middle class - for sure she must not be interested in me, right? Anyway, this is what I kept telling myself even though she actually dated a poor Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:03 AM
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I dont know when the last time was - it is all the time :D This is why less attractive women get more attention from men than more attractive women do - no point in shooting above your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:52 AM
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Yes, but you are a woman and women have options while (most) men dont.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:04 AM
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This is one point I have to give to BP (blue or black pill - whatever you think that capital B stands for). All of this haircut and skincare etc stuff does not matter that much. It is either about your general looks or personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:11 PM
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Yes, but isnt it good that they dont pay attention to it that much since they cant change these characteristics?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:03 PM
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According to blue pill these older people are actually more desirable because now they have life experience and wisdom etc. So you should try to match that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 02:46 AM
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So many similar answers here that are kind of missing the point imo. All of this "men want to have a lot of sex and harems" etc stuff is so unrealistic that it is not really a dating strategy or even something I think about achieving. To answer OP then a dating strategy that most men share is aiming way down to increase their chances of finding someone - the juggernaut law and/or whatever the opposite of hypergamy is called.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 02:06 AM
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I think these men are also de facto incels and not "peacefully single" if their only other option is to be a cuckolded settle down betabucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 01:46 AM
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There is a community of involuntarily single men out there who have angst.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:35 AM
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If that was OP's point then it was argued pretty poorly. But okay, lets go with that. Who is in this 40%? Are any short ugly guys there? Or are they down the list that only 10-20% of women find them attractive? I am asking it because if in this 40% there are still conventionally attractive guys but just lacking in some area (lets say the guy is good looking but only 5'10 in height or something) then it still kind of means that they are attracted to the same (type of) men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 06:28 AM
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Yeah, pretty much. I especially like the last one because you described the controversial "blue pilled chad" phenomena where dating is smooth sailing and when things dont go well it is actually about their personality. It is controversial / debated because chad is always seen as a black pill (hot guy knows he is hot and takes advantage of it in dating) or red pill (hot guy is hot because he is confident and has muscles) thing not blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 06:07 AM
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I think there is a grain of truth to it, but we are talking about exceptions here. That okay, all women dont like tall hand handsome rich men with big dicks. Lets say someone has a thing for short ugly poor men with little dicks. How common is that? And even then this is a super charitable take. Make a tinder profile with the above mentioned ugly characteristics and see how many matches that man will get :D The answer is 0 so where are all those niche seeking women there?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:49 PM
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The whole truth involves other stuff also like the importance of looks but we are not ready for that just yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 01:10 AM
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Oh okay, I get it, blackpill is that looks is most important but bluepill is that personality is also important in addition to looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:39 PM
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So, how does blue pill differ from the black pill if according to both looks is the most important thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:31 PM
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Yeah, I also noticed it now that I have redicovered this sub after some time. Couple days ago there was a post where people with blue pill flairs were unironically arguing in favor of lookism and bläckpilled views :D I personally think now that bläck pillers and inčels are kicked out of the platform it is open season for bluepillers to use those good arguments against the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:04 PM
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Pretty crazy how the truth was known a decade ago but people are still fighting against it. Well, I think first we have to expose the whole truth and then go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:34 PM
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Well, I think why your question is hard to comprehend is because truth is the truth and if you are truth seeking then it is almost impossible to unsee. Red pillers are truth seeking which is why they cant imagine a world where they would not understand the truth. Again, a bit stupid on their part not being capable of engaging with a hypothetical. But still, it is the mindset of even if I am successful by being blue pilled then I can see how the world is not working like that. And it is not just …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:26 AM
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Well, yeah, but just to go along with OP. I think OP was a bit vague about what they meant. Like is blue pill just my reality or it would be the reality. In latter case my thought experiment works. In former it is a bit silly, yes, which is why I dont understand bluepillers. Even if you personally manage to get a high school sweetheart by "being yourself and kind" then just take a look at domestic violence statistics or how much women are flocking to prisoners (red pill) or how much women love t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:12 AM
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I think it is some form of "exposing the truth" and it is slowly working. You basically listed a bunch of hard hitting red pills as common knowledge even though you are not a red piller yourself. This is how much the Overton window has shifted but there is still some work to do - AFBB, 80/20 rule etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:59 AM
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I get that reality is different but what if it wasnt like OP is asking? My point was that blue pill does not have to be some form of communism with 100% equality: girlfriend for everyone for just "being yourself" and "getting a haircut" or something :D But what if we would have bluepilled hierarchies and competitions? The hardest working guy will be popular and will get the best girl etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:43 AM
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Isnt there different versions of blue pill or at least interpretations? That we could still be competitive and have hierarchies but it would be based on who is the smartest, hardest working, kindest etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:18 AM
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Your "ramblings" were clear enough considering it is a difficult topic :) I also support voting for the "greater good" instead of just for personal gain. But something still sounds strange about supporting someone who does not support you and/or hates you. And again, you are doing the right thing by voting for the better option (or less bad one). And not voting / third party voting etc is just throwing away your vote pretty much. So, just something to think about - for me mostly :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:01 AM
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This is a good way of looking at it and I agree mostly. Maybe just the very last part how that fault is much more fixable - not sure about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:14 AM
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What I dont see? Yes, the left has culturally dominated politics for decades. And I really wish they would get political power also, but I dont see that happening any time soon in the US. Maybe Europe will short their shit out, but who knows about that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:26 PM
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Socially / culturally - the left. In reality (in the US) - unfortunately the right which is why the world is so f-d up right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:20 PM
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Not really. Women are attracted to top men no matter what. And why be nice to your partner if they will never leave you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:18 PM
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Why are conservatives not friends of men? And sorry for the political talk on a dating sub. Just I think it is somehow related and an interesting topic. Btw, I dont like conservatives / right wingers either for personal reasons. But I would totally support them if social / gender dynamics were on top of my priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:01 AM
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Whatever is the other option instead of the one that is destroying social fabric like the left is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:57 AM
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So why did you reject them? It is okay to say that they were ugly or short, especially when we are talking about swiping right or left :) I think the main issue with these "be clean and kind" style of advices is not that they are too generic or broad but even the direction of them is wrong. OP-s post mentioning how common is hygiene issues in relationships wanted me to search a Reddit classic about the topic, but I couldnt even find it because the amount of posts where women complain about their…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:41 AM
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As I understand that was some vibes thing that the man seemed creepy? And have you just rejected only one guy in your life? Anyway, I dont know. Maybe you are that one rare (bluepilled) woman who gives good advice :) Just the "take a shower" and "be kind" advice is not correct / bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:12 AM
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I mostly agree with OP-s description about why it is bad. Only thing I would say that the bad advice thing is from bluepillers in general not just women but I understand that just addressing it to women is an interesting subtopic. Especially given the fact that women should know better why they are rejecting men and therefore what would make a man more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:02 AM
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"Most of our advice based on things we rejected men over" Yeah, exactly, advice on this topic is all what is needed :) So the question is, why is this given advice so bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:56 AM
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Insightful comment and I can relate to it. I was wondering why you havent made the switch? "Left the left" so to say? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:06 AM
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That they chase the "top 20%" of men. AF/BB which means that women have sex with alphas when young and then settle down with a beta provider later in life. A lot of "self help gurus" are cringy, not just main faces of redpill. That does not mean that these things are not helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 03:30 AM
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Because those behaviours are always so predictable that they are funny. I cant name it like this because famous red pill guys are often quite cringy and might be successful because of other reasons. But redpill worked for me to an extent - I can say that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:53 AM
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That term is a bit too fringe indeed, but it basically means that women is the gender who's behaviours, feelings, life-trajectory, politics and identity can be described as a meme :) "Here is the thing, a man who is successful and feels good in his life will never spend his time analyzing women and using tricks on them, or whatever redpill manosphere thing is trendy right now." You are actually correct in this - if you are naturally successful you dont need any "pills". But if you are not then y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:28 AM
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So are all redpillers just pretending that it works or how do you explain its popularity then? And I think one thing fueling the gender war is that women actually do think the same and are the so called "meme gender". But this is creating conflict and a feeling to "fight back" and to make silly assumptions about men which are obviously false and make men defend themselves and so the snowball is rolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:01 AM
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No, this is just a common social-desirability bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:13 AM
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But if the option is between that or loneliness then being a cuckold doesnt seem so bad anymore :D
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 09:44 AM
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Not sure if it is good but it works if you are not alpha and want a relationship. Works better than being a lonely wolf mgtow or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:14 AM
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So what evidence you have on the contrary? That women divorce attractive bad boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:10 AM
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Just for clarification - do you think being a beta male just works or it works better than being an alpha male?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:00 AM
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Well, the first and most important thing you can notice right away if she is a single mothet or not. Being a single mother will drastically reduce their dating market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:32 AM
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Well, while it makes sense on the surface, the reality is different. Women are not doing any checks there for safety. They are choosing buff good looking guys even if they are former convicts or have some other horrible stuff written on their bio while ignoring safe looking nerdy guys :D
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:09 AM
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He doesnt have to cite anything because you cant really do a study on topic like this. And it is common knowledge which is why it has been used in mainstream comedies. "The rule of three" from American Pie for example. It is funny because it is true and people can relate to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:06 AM
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I like how debunking OP-s argument you are parroting the obviously false self reported stats. Men overstate their sexual activity and women understate it - this is just common knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:40 AM
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Oh yeah, I get it now. Just like in here one woman just claimed that she never had any problems with getting a man she liked. That means even though eventually high value guy might dump her, she has no issues getting another high value guy and therefore she will not be bitter about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:31 AM
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I have never seen that but if true then sure - it is giving more validity to the claim that finding a guy who doesnt use you for sex is difficult. So maybe these women claiming that are on to something :D
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:24 AM
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Well, there is still a limited amout of tall handsome doctors out there so what would all that hard work achieve for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:21 AM
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Yes, there are plenty of women like that and they even have a term for it - alpha widow. Maybe women dont claim that they have it harder but they say at least as hard. That finding the one attractive guy who doesnt just use you for sex is very difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:05 AM
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But I assume you have had sex with at least 6-7 women so you kind of have taken them for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:39 AM
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I think it already does encourage the latter, just you can have some "fun" along the way because why not. Once you become red pilled you become very cynical about the world. As you stated that the system already sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:27 AM
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Men find most women attractive, just they would prefer a younger one. But yeah, I dont know why women are sometimes together with men they dont like... Maybe societal pressures to not be alone, maybe the need for a provider etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:03 AM
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I think this is where the red pill vs black pill dynamic will come in what will be the future as previous commenter mentioned. That the slutty CC rider and a trad woman both actually want an attractive guy and the debate will be what is actually making the man attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:57 AM
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Most men cant do that and will be coping by being with an older woman pretending to be happy. Just like most women cant get the man they want and will be coping by settling down with a man they dont really desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:49 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:41 AM
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Who wouldn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:33 AM
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The blue pill would just crumble if most blue pillers and women saw that though. Blue pillers are always bringing some strange examples of it working. But if we agree that those examples are rare exceptions then the ideology doesnt make sense anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:19 AM
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I agree. I think red pi is most wrong from the black pill side not the blue pill - "the wall", "men age like fine wine", "just hold frame - looks dont matter" etc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:19 AM
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When are loose clothes not appropriate? It is the total opposite, men wearing tight clothes is often weird and gay looking which is why I never wear them nomatter what - even at home or in the gym. And we are literally having a post here about how inappropriate tight pants for men are :D
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:08 PM
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I cant believe how people dont seem to understand how loose/baggy clothing works.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:51 AM
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Loose clothes are usually enough though, you dont have to be in a bag like a muslim woman :D
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:00 AM
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Exactly, they are still sex characteristics :D
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 08:40 AM
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You can easily hide your shape by not wearing yoga pants and push-up bras
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:12 AM
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Well, we are not talking about showing them but just showing their "shape". Just like showing a "buldge" as in this post. Arent they equal in that regard?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:59 AM
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I have always wondered why genitalia is a taboo topic and a big no no but other "sexual places" such as breasts and ass are totally fine to expose
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:45 AM
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I get that, but in general you are an asshole. So the OP's point still stands
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:28 AM
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Yes, but this is all what is said. "Assholes" or "bad boys" are more attractive to women. Following the rules and being nice is getting you nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:04 AM
2

What about most of the comments here stating that "assholes" are more exciting? It is not just about being jealous of them, it is about the fact that "asshole behavior" is really more exciting which is what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:57 AM
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So, you agree with OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:54 AM
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"Truly kind" - helping others, volunteering, empathic etc "Asshole" - doesnt care about social norms, hurting others, cares about himself mostly etc
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:53 AM
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Okay, that is pretty funny what you said :) But what do you think then? That asshole behavior is not good? Kindness is better? That I should donate to cancer patients and women would be all over me? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:49 AM
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It kind of is. Again, dont be stuck in the school environment :D It could be an asshole who is scamming people and taking their money in some other way. Women dont care and they even find it "exciting"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:44 AM
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Someone like a typical "school bully"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:40 AM
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So are you some "it is all about looks" blackpiller then? Not meant as an insult, I am as well. But why are all black pilled subs banned and intsels are told that it is not about their looks but they must have a horrible personality etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 07:16 AM
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This is one of the pillars of the blue pill - that women are not visual creatures and it is all about your politeness or confidence or whatever. This is what the purple pill debate is about. How you have never heard of it? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 06:52 AM
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You are the second person talking about sex drive increasing/dropping. That I would account for some emotional stuff, yes. But in general it stays roughly the same during the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:05 PM
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You are an exception though, generally OP is still correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:39 AM
3

Lets say age gap is 5 years generally. So women starting from 25 (roughly half of the 18-29 demographic) are already dating men out of that demographic. And also, age gap affects younger people too. Some 18yo woman will date 21 yo men (again, I would say lesser age gao there) but most 18 yo men are just single and jerking off :D
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:16 AM
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Well, you are just 20 and in college - there are a lot of similar age couples indeed. But in "real world" a lot of 26 yo women date 32 yo men, some 24 yo woman might have a 40 yo sugardaddy etc. So there is actually a big chunk of mid to late 20s women dating 5+ years older than them which is making these stats as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:08 AM
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It is all about looks boiii! If you are handsome then women will either make first contact or at least let you know they are interested. You havent asked anyone out because in your subconscious you know you would probably get rejectes because no positive were shown from the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:17 PM
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You are an alpha claiming alphas dont exist and would run away from a fight. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:51 AM
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I have been couple in 1 vs 1 but yeah, I havent been jumped by a gang. Maybe I would chicken out but I dont claim to be an alpha also
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:02 PM
1

In chemistry class he would be either "heh, this is some nerdy BS lol!" with the whole class laughing and supporting him OR he would be still confident and respectful even though he is not good on the subject. In this fight scenario I would imagine alpha giving a good fight even if the mass would eventually beat him. I just see that in every situation someone can act alpha which makes that person alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:06 PM
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Yes, but for humans it is def true. Think of some alpha jock guy in high school who is strong, popular, good with girls, soul of the party and also dominant in situations where he is new / not knowledgeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:31 PM
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How is it not though if the institution is built on discriminating people with adhd etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:38 AM
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What is the difference then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:22 PM
45

When boys fall behind in school then it is their responsibility to pick themselves up by the bootstraps. When women fall behind in job market then nothing they can do about it and it is a societal problem we all need to deal with :D
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:57 PM
3

But then umm, do blue pillers agrer that red pill principles work on some or even a lot of women? Since everyone is so different and so some women are attracted to red pillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:53 PM
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Mmm, I dont agree with it. Muslims and atheists are both non Christians and Christians differentiate between them just like red pillers differentiate between blue pillers and black pillers. Blue pillers def have blue pilled principles like being nice etc. On what other basis would you even disagree with red pill on then anyway? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:52 PM
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What do you mean? Ofc it is, it is the ABC of the blue pill :D Or what do you think are blue pilled principles?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:54 PM
2

Well, you get into relationships by first dating so that discounts bluepill even before we begin.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:05 PM
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