TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

ayowai2 Archive

View 0 posts and 317 comments by ayowai2 on TheRedPill subreddit and various other subreddits related to The Red Pill community.
Search in:
In subreddits:
More
Filter by year/month:
Upvotes Title Category Author Subreddit Date (UTC)
Upvotes Comment on Subreddit Date (UTC)
–

And my mom makes half a million dollars a year in finance. These are both exceptions that prove the rule. I guarantee your boss works mostly with men, just like my mom does.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:18 PM
–

Men definitely shouldn't feel threatened and I don't think they do. Women may be graduating from college at higher rates than men, but they're getting degrees in psychology and english, not finance and tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:15 PM
–

Men can't afford to be choosy when there's no one to choose from. If men were getting tons of offers for dates, they would be more choosy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:14 PM
2

I was hospitalized at one point and the nurse fucked up my blood drawing so many times she had to call a doctor to come do it for her
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:37 AM
0

I disagree. Once upon a time, yes. But now the important (and high-paying) jobs are all corporate and involve STEM. Women have complete equal access to get involved in those fields and yet they remain dominated by men cus they choose not to go into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:19 AM
0

To take notes and do blood drawings which they can easily do themselves. Nurses just save time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:17 AM
-1

This is basically where people both correctly criticize and misunderstand Ayn Rand. Her books pretty much exclude external responsibilities like kids and homemaking and focus on work. Yes, that’s a fallacy. However, we can’t deny the half she talks about just because the fallacy exists. Work matters and men do the more difficult and essential tasks. Not that they’re inherently more capable of it, but they do do it. And women are quite hesitant to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:06 PM
-1

Most doctors are men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 10:53 PM
87

I'm pretty trad all things considered, but people work for money, not to fulfill some kind of social contract. Rousseau's social contract is not about trading wives for work. It's an agreement between the individual and the state that the individual will obey the state as the state looks out for the individual's best interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:37 AM
1

Being a SAHM is only a full-time job until the kids go to school
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 07:52 PM
1

Go on TikTok and you’ll find swaths of women who would love nothing more than to live on someone else’s paycheck and let someone else make all the hard decisions for them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 07:51 PM
-2

They also didn't have to work, which is a pretty sweet deal when you think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 05:05 PM
1

Yeah, exactly this. "The more men become what women want, the less women want them." - Camille Paglia
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:39 PM
–

Honestly, the comment actually kinda nails some things in psychoanalysis. The object of desire (the mother) can never be fully captured because any capturing of it would include finding the lack within the object itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 09:27 PM
–

Curtis Yarvin? Is that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 09:26 PM
3

Uhhhhhhhhhhh... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/married-men-earn-far-more-than-any-other-american-group/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 08:44 PM
21

Of course. The real question is, 'would a woman ever marry a man making less than her?' and the answer for 90% of women is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 06:34 PM
0

And they can't prefer to spend their time reading or playing board games with their friends or watching movies? I think everyone should engage in some physical exercise for pure health reasons, but to think every man should put all of his free time into looksmaxxing is just ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 01:46 AM
-7

Like it or not, the busting your ass is how you get ahead and men are more willing to do it. This whole myth of lazy bosses is bs by the way. It may be true at lower levels, but at upper level management, everyone's putting in 60+ hours a week. I know women who have moved up that corporate ladder and they got there the same way the men did. By working their asses off. And fewer women are willing to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:24 PM
-5

I'm pretty familiar with the corporate ladder, and once you get high enough up, the women drop away not because of systemic sexism, but because most women are comfortable putting in their 40 hours or so and letting the big strong men do the hard stuff (partially cus most of them have husbands who make more money anyways)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:14 PM
2

Basically every corporate job that involves sending emails and twiddling your thumbs for four hours a day
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:10 PM
2

Most men have other things going on. It takes a certain guy to be able to hit the gym every day, eat the right meals, etc. Lots of men have work, school, other interests they would rather be pursuing. It seems you're looking for a certain answer, but I think this is the most accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:09 PM
3

It's probable. I'm in college and being surrounded by drug use has been a huge irritator for me. It's like all anyone does for fun is get high or drunk. I think the odd glass of wine after dinner is fine for an adult, but I certainly wouldn't be with an adult still doing tequila shots and IMO weed is just for lazy people. I've never met a motivated person who smoked weed regularly. So it's very much about how the values intersect with the activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 04:08 PM
6

My easy answer is no. I was never hedonistic or irresponsible in that way, so why should I be with someone who was? I guess you could say if she were perfect in all other ways, I might say yes, but I find it hard to believe that woman exists and if she did that she would date me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:55 PM
8

I also do not smoke or drink. I'm not necessarily against drinking, but I absolutely will not date someone who smokes marijuana. Well, most people lose interest in casual sex by their mid-20s, so it is about the retroactivity. I don't want someone who was ever interested in casual sex because I am not the settle-down guy. I am not the beta bucks. Engaging in casual sex in college IMO speaks to irresponsibility and hedonism, two things I abhor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:50 PM
10

Personally, I don't party or engage in hookup culture. If I'm going to date someone, I want to date someone who didn't do those things either. I don't necessarily want a virgin or anything, but I want someone with similar values to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:36 PM
3

I agree. Men shouldn’t be hypocrites. Want a wife with a low n-count? Have a low n-count yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:08 PM
1

That stat has been debunked by more recent studies for multiple reasons. https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a19547759/female-infidelity/ https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233843.amp
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:08 PM
0

Not true. That commonly cited statistic from Google has been debunked. Men and women cheat equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 12:21 PM
1

Not true. Men and women cheat equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 12:17 PM
1

Guys don’t really care how short a girl is as long she isn’t fat or a midget
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:08 AM
3

Women don’t love obesity either. However, I think the height thing is about projecting masculinity and dominance over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 12:57 AM
2

Plenty of 5’5” women put “only swipe right if you’re 6’+” in their tinder bios
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 12:54 AM
1

Having sex within the next three years due to the Lindy theory
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 05:21 PM
1

Cool. Best way to go about doing so? (Thx btw).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:35 AM
1

His rationale is that I want to date and I need to have the mental fortitude because that's how dating works nowadays. Can't say I totally agree, but I see his point and it's not like my irl efforts have gotten me anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:26 AM
1

My therapist recommended I join the apps and it is really mentally debilitating. No matches after a week (I know that's a short amount of time, but I've used the apps intermittently before and have gotten very, very few matches). I don't think my standards are inconceivably high or something. I'm not overweight and I go to a good college. Asking for a similar woman doesn't feel like it's reaching out of my league even though I keep getting told to lower my standards. Sigh.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:21 AM
2

I don't want kids and I'm attracted to intelligent, ambitious woman, though
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:18 AM
1

20 US Student (at decently prestigious college) Conservative, agnostic Corporate work in multimedia communications Been single for three years now. Pretty pessimistic about my odds for the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:10 AM
2

Emma Watson
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:26 PM
4

This but she also majored in education
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 10:49 AM
1

They work in like a business-casual polo shirt + jeans context
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:29 PM
–

More like preppy millennial-core
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:20 PM
–

The 574s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:20 PM
–

New Balances are perfect for this. Don’t look like sneakers, but are just as comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:44 PM
2

I’m intelligent, athletic (though not built), well-read, am very passionate about what I love, love cats, excellent conversationalist, incredibly knowledgable about the arts, cute in a nerdy ‘guy next door’ kinda way, am very kind and loving, will remember things about you and do nice things for you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:38 PM
2

When I say ‘porn’ I mean like softcore nudie magazines from the 50s that seem chaste nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:33 PM
4

Porn used to be a healthy introduction to the sexual for young men. Now it’s gotten so easy to access and so much more extreme that the bar for entry has gotten extremely low. It’s normalized a lot of extreme sexual behaviors for both men and women. It’s honestly less about the actual act of watching a man and woman have sex, but more about extremity and access. Kids are seeing it younger and seeing things that are more extreme and thinking it’s normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:13 PM
2

The problem is that 2022 amenities/tech (computer, phone, wi-fi, etc.) are now requirements for holding most jobs and being a functioning person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:47 PM
2

Smarter and more accomplished usually so yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 12:04 AM
5

Bruh have you met a college girl? They’re like carbon copies of each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:47 PM
3

As a chronically thin man, I support
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:31 PM
1

That used to be a thing. Brooklyn Decker had a similar body type.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:11 PM
1

Oh she’s written some garbage for sure. But Style, The Archer, All Too Well, and pretty much all of folklore and evermore are incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 03:28 PM
2

That’s cus unlike Spears, Aguilera, etc., Swift can fucking WRITE. Spears has gotten a critical re-evaluation recently, but Swift has pretty much always gotten due credit as a lyricist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 03:15 PM
2

Yup. Another reason why it should absolutely remain legal. I’m just trying to dissuade the assertion that Republicans are outright crazy for this idea. There is a sound reasoning behind it, they just either don’t see or don’t care about the logical consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:35 PM
3

I don’t agree, but I understand where they’re coming from. Casual sex is terrible for society and enforcing something that makes sex less casual is a natural response. What they don’t see is that people won’t stop having sex, they’ll just have more abortions and STDs. So it’s a lose-lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:31 PM
3

Friend got into a prestigious university engineering program and then tanked his last semester grades out of laziness. As of now, lives at his parents’, does not go to school, and has no job.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:30 PM
3

Or they see you as a pretentious nerd if you don’t have the right body type
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:15 PM
1

Intelligence can be an asset when associated with status. Women like status. Ivy league guys get laid like crazy, as do high level business people like Wall Street guys. But intelligence on its own doesn't assist in sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:26 PM
9

I love it when attractive and rich influencers give life advice like “your attitude is your reality! Project happiness into the world and it will give you happiness back!” Like no shit that works for you. Your life is a permanent vacation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:31 PM
2

...but you're the same age, so doesn't that work both ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:24 AM
1

In that case, I know a few, but not many
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:21 AM
2

If someone considers that incel, they seriously need to examine their values
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:18 AM
5

Wow it’s almost like treating sex as something completely casual and harmless is a bad idea or something
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:16 AM
2

Definitely. Most women I’ve interacted exclusively go for guys 3-5 years older than them or guys who look 3-5 years older than them. It fucking sucks to be a younger looking guy in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:14 AM
1

Up to a certain age. Once they’re off to school, not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:32 AM
2

Nope. As much as I fantasize about having arm candy, I would get so bored so fast if she wasn’t smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:29 AM
3

They suck unless you a. Have friends and b. Like drugs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:26 AM
1

My objection is that neither group is organized enough to distinguish a singular hateful ideology. There are so many sub-factions of each and I don’t think either of the dominating views have a definable hatred. That said, I do think we need to interrogate the intentions of third-wave feminism and look at what its implications are because it does not look good right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:06 PM
1

No, but neither should incels
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:13 PM
1

Academics aren’t creatives. Professors of the humanities are incredible logicians.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:48 AM
1

I think money is the most prominent one due to the historical precedent set by having women basically have to marry up in order to maintain a certain lifestyle. Now, we have an era when more women are making more money than ever, but the marrying up financially is still normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 09:44 PM
4

I hope you’re a professional model or something cus damn Also absolutely screwing academics with your ‘non-STEM’ stance. Just cus someone isn’t in STEM, doesn’t mean they’re unsuccessful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:51 AM
3

I don’t know if it’s a matter of ‘want.’ It’s a matter of who people are. Most men have some tendencies that are masculine, some not. In fact, I’d argue the opposite is more the case. Men chase a certain form of masculinity because certain women demand that in order to be attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:49 AM
1

This is true, but there is a growing faction of intellectual social conservatives holding some sway over the opinions of terminally online people, myself included
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:48 AM
1

Ehhh, if you’re tuned into the NYC Dimes Square/New Right movements, it’s become trendy to become a tradcath and be socially conservative. Whether that becomes a dominant ideology has yet to be seen, but the seeds are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:22 AM
4

If there has been a sexual revolution, can there not be a counter-revolution? There is a very possible return to conservative values regarding sex that I could see having a positive impact on dating scenes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:34 AM
–

On one hand, yes. On the other, people really need to be capable of taking care of themselves. I dated someone who had depression and didn't take care of themselves and it was a nightmare. She was completely reliant on me for any positive feeling in her life and that's an impossible burden to bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 11:22 PM
1

Oh, yeah. Dating is a bit of a numbers game and I've had more opportunities than some. They just didn't pan out. That's why the finance/business guys all join the frats and party (I don't). They want to interact with women and get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:51 PM
1

Luckily, I don't want kids and if a woman is going to eliminate an intelligent, thoughtful, ambitious man solely because he won't generate enough money for her, I don't want to be with her. That's shallow. Like, yeah, I've encountered that attitude and it sucks to be on the receiving end, but ultimately I'd rather be with someone who values me rather than what I can offer her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:50 PM
1

That's true and I do meet a lot of women. Whether or not they want to date me (or in some cases, whether or not I want to date them) is another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:48 PM
3

Yep. I’m in one of the best literature programs in the country and want to work in publishing/writing or become a professor. I love art and culture and theory and philosophy. I like asking hard questions about reality and attempting to answer them. As for the social prestige, I’d much rather pursue what makes me happy than pursue a miserable 9-5 where I would be unhappy just for money. I’m comfortable enough with myself to know what matters to me. If there are women that would rather get with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:26 PM
1

The consequences aren’t material, they’re psychological/social. By making sex something so normalized, it’s become a form of social capital and caused deep unhappiness. Sex is something important and devaluing it as such has caused the social hierarchy based on sex/attractiveness to become much wider. By making pleasure something accessed via certain definable parameters (looks, money, status), it makes people chase those things instead of things with actual value (knowledge, deep fulfilling rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:25 PM
1

I’m not like pro-arranged marriage or something, but I think we need to de-normalize hookup culture because the other extreme isn’t a good thing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:15 PM
-1

Yeah, no. The subconscious still rules many of our actions. Maybe even most.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 07:56 PM
1

It’s less about the market being in any one party’s favor and more about everyone being unhappy because unrestricted sexual liberation has led to careless self-indulgence without consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 07:54 PM
1

This is true post-70’s for the most part. There’s a ton of great classic RnB out there. I really do not like the current Summer Walker/SZA/whoever sound of tuneless melodies over trap beats.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 06:48 PM
1

That’s fair. This just touches a nerve for me cus I think of myself as pretty well put-together for my age and yet I look younger than I am so I find women don’t just want to date older-seeming men, they want to date older-looking men too, which excludes me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 06:09 PM
4

I also support men who refuse to fuck fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:23 PM
1

Then this illustrates the problem with the phrase. It’s far too definitive. We all make compromises. And the point of the phrase is that it’s definitive, so adding a “sometimes” to the end just negates it, so the phrase just shouldn’t exist at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:18 PM
2

If you were able to hold down a full-time well-paying job and be a full-time undergrad student simultaneously, you are the most productive person I’ve ever met
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:07 PM
1

Same. I’ve accepted that not all people will like me. It’s worse to know that the barrier for a relationship is superficial and physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:33 PM
2

The thing is that you’re not supposed to have it all figured out during college and, by definition, you won’t have a solid job. I think it’s unfair for women to expect a certain level of maturity/accomplishment at an age where that maturity is unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:06 PM
1

So why don’t we ever reverse it and say “if she wanted to, she would”? A girl waiting around for a guy to do what she wants him to do makes no sense when she could just make the approach. She’s positioning herself as a prize to be won, not a person with agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:14 PM
1

That’s how the honeymoon phase works, but in LTR, you can’t be doing stuff for other people all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:13 PM
3

I have met tons of women with that “I don’t date guys the same age as me” rule and it really sucks IMO. I don’t think college women are any more or less mature than college men. They just want to date older guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:11 PM
1

You still don’t need one even in cases of rape or incest. The only case where it would be a need is if it endangers the mother’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:02 PM
4

“If he wanted to, he would” is one of the dumbest phrases in modern dating. I don’t do things I want to do all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:16 PM
4

The two are inseparable. Dressing for yourself is always also dressing for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:15 PM
1

I have diagnosed NPD and the way it’s portrayed on the internet and by the media is quite invalidating. Everything’s about being the victim of a narcissist like being a narcissist doesn’t have any downsides. My guess is that this is because the vast majority of people with NPD are men and it’s easier to vilify them than sympathize with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 06:58 AM
2

Oh I totally get voting Republican. It’s the economic reasoning that bothers me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:18 AM
1

There’s some truth to this (I think a lot more people are lazy than we’d like to admit), but I also think that there are structural disadvantages that affect certain groups’ ability to accrue wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:01 AM
2

To me, that’s the healthy middle-ground. I’m not some conservative purist who thinks everyone should wait til marriage. But I do think hookup culture has done lots of damage to young people. We can live in a world where sex itself is not a taboo, but also not meaningless pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:59 AM
6

100% agreed. We were at a conservative “keep it in the bedroom” extreme and now we’re at the other where all sex is valid/normalized and now we’re attempting to eradicate any consequences attached to poor sexual decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:48 PM
8

Don’t you think the sexual liberation has allowed such choices to be made? Like, yeah, we can’t and shouldn’t stop people from engaging in casual hookups, but it’s become so normalized that sex has lost almost all meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:41 PM
13

It’s not about religion. It’s about how the sexual revolution made everyone too sexually liberated and has caused most people to be miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:22 PM
-1

I would too, but certainly not for economic reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:12 PM
2

Oh yeah I agree with the GOP on quite a few things, but it's specifically rich white women complaining about symbolic body autonomy (because realistically, they're rich enough to travel and get an abortion if they need one) and then voting R so they can pay less in property taxes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:52 PM
1

I find it hilarious how many pro-choice people I know who are livid about the Roe v Wade decision, but have told me they vote Republican for economic reasons. Cognitive dissonance going crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:43 PM
–

Cus I’m thin and I want to be with someone who’s thin
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:32 PM
2

His writing reminds me of a piece I read a few months ago on substack about a guy getting a government issue girlfriend. Don't remember what it's called, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:50 AM
1

Good thing I don't want kids then
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:44 AM
2

Are we talking making enough or making a lot? I know girls who would only date guys making 6 figures and up. It can take decades for an academic to break $100k a year. I want to retain my passions without selling out to the capitalist machine for the sake of attracting a certain type of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:32 AM
–

I mean that we should coin it as a phrase to describe a current phenomenon
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:31 AM
–

Woah this is super Deleuzian and right up my alley. Thank you for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:30 AM
2

Idk that to me still feels shallow. For context, I go to an elite college majoring in English, meaning high ambition and intelligence, low earning opportunity. Boiling things down to income is still pretty damn shallow and not indicative of much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:26 AM
3

You think casual sex has no psychological significance? Ok…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:24 AM
–

I would but that would require like research and stuff and fundamentally I’m a pretty lazy person (I actually have written short pieces about specific aspects of this, though nothing holistic)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:08 AM
3

Oh yeah fs both are shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:07 AM
–

Pure pleasure without material consequence is not a good thing. It shifts all consequence into the psychological and that’s where the damage is being done. We see that with online dating and hookup culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:58 AM
–

Because the sexual revolution has had consequences. We’ve turned into a society that’s too sexually liberated without enough taboos.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:50 AM
–

Oh absolutely. It’s definitely not restricted to one gender. Party/hookup culture is doing immeasurable damage to our young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:50 AM
–

We need to make “the sexual revolution and its consequences” a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:36 AM
–

I would love to date a woman taller than me, but it’s probably not in the cards
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:30 AM
8

If by ‘certain level,’ you mean attractive and shallow then yeah this checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 11:57 PM
2

Abortion is getting rid of a future child and the sooner pro-choice people accept that they cannot argue that away, the sooner their rhetoric will move onto actually valid points (increased access to contraception, better support for low-income households, etc.) And, yeah. Sex is not and should not be casual. Call me conservative, but we have become far too blase as a society about something so important.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 10:12 PM
1

I am in favor of treating non-lethal STDs because there’s no surplus consequence. Abortion always includes the death of a child. That matters, whether you like it or not. Curing an STD makes no difference in the world. Abortion does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 10:08 PM
1

I don’t follow. STIs are nearly all life-threatening given enough time. This is not true of pregnancy. Equating pregnancy to disease doesn’t make any sense. My logic is that abortion/treatment is fine in life-threatening scenarios, which includes STI treatment and excludes most pregnancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 10:00 PM
1

That is also solved by the protection solution I just offered
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:50 PM
1

It’s not “forcing” if you knowingly engage in something with those consequences attached. No one’s “forcing” anyone to be irresponsible and have consensual unprotected sex. Don’t wanna have a kid? Use protection. It’s not difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:46 PM
1

Yes. Irresponsible behavior begets consequences. That is how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:40 PM
1

Well I don’t support fathers abandoning the child either. Both parents had sex, both should share in taking care of the child. And pretty much all STDs become lethal when not treated properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:30 PM
0

Getting treatment for a disease and getting an abortion are not comparable in any way. Getting treatment for a disease is not a choice. You can die from STIs. Yes, you can die from pregnancies too, but it’s much rarer. I support abortion if it is unsafe for the mother, but I am skeptical of abortions purely because a woman does not want a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:08 PM
1

They do that instead of putting time into more interesting/intellectual hobbies. I’ve been wrong before. One of my friends in college was a frat bro who was also super into arthouse film.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:34 PM
1

Get a vasectomy or IUD
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:32 PM
1

Yeah I never got why this hasn’t been a talking point. There is no such thing as a ‘right to consequence-free sex.’
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:32 PM
1

Have you not heard like a million stories of someone getting their SO or anyone a bad gift cus they just assumed what they would want. Even people who are close to each other make inaccurate assumptions that are far less concrete than your water example. I’m not saying people can’t have social intelligence, i.e. if I’m going out for lunch with someone and I know they like Panera, I might suggest Panera, but I don’t just take them to Panera cus they might have just had Panera yesterday or somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:27 PM
2

Sounds like women need to buck up and be more decisive. There’s nothing wrong with “what do you want to do”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:51 PM
2

Assuming things is always a bad idea because you could be wrong. You can convey assertiveness without doing something stupid. Don’t just assume what either people want, even if you think you’re right. No one can accurately assume everything. That’s why it’s an assumption. It’s actually the opposite of socially intelligent to assume. It’s also kinda vain to just think you know what other people want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:50 PM
2

I feel like this still makes assumptions. I like playing tennis. I don’t want to play tennis all the time. What if you make reservations and the girl feels like a night in? I get the assertiveness angle, but I still think it’s stupid when you could just ask. Relationships shouldn’t be one person making a decision in assumption the other person will like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:41 PM
18

Early 20's is right out of college, not "about to be 30." About 3% of women aged 21 live alone in the US. Caring about lifestyle so much at an age when your earnings are theoretically at their lowest is shallow and dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 05:57 PM
3

The problem is that a man saying he has standards is basically a curse. Idk if you’ve seen Annie Hall, but it opens with this line where Woody Allen says “my problem with women is that I would never be in a club that would have me as a member,” meaning that any woman he’s attracted to would be too good for him and any woman attracted to him wouldn’t be good enough for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 04:06 PM
17

I think it’s normal and if it weeds people out, those people are shallow for wanting a man of certain financial solubility by a certain age. Living is so expensive now that it’s near impossible to live in your own right out of college. However, if you’re that insecure about it (I have the exact same fear), I would recommend looking for a couple roommates to share a small apartment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 04:05 PM
3

That seems too binary and definitive to me. I know plenty of accomplished men who want to date accomplished women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:31 PM
4

Then we just get into the semantics of subjective standards. Not every woman is gonna find slim men attractive, but I think far fewer men are gonna find overweight women attractive and I think that’s fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:29 PM
9

Yeah, but I'm slim and athletic, but I'm not lean and muscular. Does that mean I'm doomed to date women I'm not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:21 PM
9

I don’t think wanting a slim partner is a high standard, especially if you yourself are slim. If around 50% of people are overweight, 50% aren’t. I want a partner with similar values to myself. And if this is the case, shouldn’t I qualify for fitting women’s high standards? In which case we’re now arguing that women are the ones with unfairly high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:57 PM
68

I think it’s totally reasonable for an athletic person, even if they’re slim, to want an athletic partner. I want to be with someone I can go on runs with or play tennis with. Plus, in my experience, there are more thin women than muscular men cus it’s easier to be thin than muscular. Also, why shouldn’t overweight women date overweight men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:07 PM
2

Idk. They peddle the self-help guru "don't compare yourself to others," "your validation comes from within stuff" a lot. Is that just more cope?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:57 AM
2

God this was not my high school experience at all wow
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:34 AM
2

Sometimes (ok often) I wonder if hot influencers are really, truly happy, or if there’s some void inside of them that comes from being shallow, capitalist shills with no value outside of appearance. Like, does the shallowness make happiness easier to attain? Or does it make the happiness itself shallow and eventually meaningless? For what it's worth, I think they are happy. Being rich, hot, and ignorant seems pretty awesome tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:32 AM
2

Oh don’t get me wrong. I was dumb in other ways. Just not in that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:26 AM
4

You’re not regarding that being athletic means actively taking care of yourself. I only wanna be with someone invested in taking care of their body, meaning exercise, and a somewhat balanced diet. That stuff just happens to coincide with better bodies. Life is a balance of healthy and unhealthy things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:23 AM
4

And than have super dramatic breakups like it was sooooo important. Like I get the people I’m talking about are like 16-17, but I certainly wasn’t like that at that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:19 AM
2

So despite being just as, if not more athletic than most young women, I’m doomed to date women I’m not attracted to? Wow sounds like a silly double-standard that’s easily corrected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:19 AM
8

Cus overweight women aren’t attractive. I’m thin and athletic. I’d like to be with someone thin and athletic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 01:56 AM
–

I don’t understand how people will have gone through like 5 relationships in high school. I’m not talking about sex. Like literally just dating 5 or 6 different people in like 4 years. Insane turnaround time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 01:22 AM
–

Idk what that means
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:15 PM
–

Definie ‘geek.’ Is it a look? A certain kind or form of intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:00 PM
1

But then my point still stands
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:39 PM
1

The average 18 year old man isn’t built
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:11 PM
2

I literally said men don’t like 0 makeup
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:08 PM
4

Yeah exactly. When women say 'skinny' they mean lean, which is just a different kind of muscular. You won't catch women out here thirsting for the 5'7 twig.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:53 PM
9

And that's why the fitness industry spends millions telling men they are ugly and not enough. Because it's obviously easier for men to reach that beauty standard. Most men don't care that much about makeup/nails/lashes/etc. They just like girls who are thin and pretty. Not to say they like 0 makeup, but most of the beauty industry is superfluous to what men actually look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:45 PM
3

I've had this point made to me before and my response is that, yes, people aged 18-24 do not have well-formed opinions when it comes to dating. Unfortunately, it's the opinions of those people that matter when dating at that age, so we need to take those thoughts seriously regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:43 PM
7

60 matches in a week is an anomaly for a man and I still think most women could beat that without trying
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:37 PM
5

CMV: it’s easier for young women to meet their body standards than it is for young men, i.e. it’s easier to be thin than big, tall, and muscular
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:22 PM
3

What about educated social conservatives?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:20 PM
7

That’s silly. Being aware of the world around you is something I would certainly look for in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:13 PM
2

One of my least favorite common sense pieces of advice about socializing is ‘ask questions! People love talking about themselves!’ I’ve largely had two experiences with this. Either people give really bland answers cus they don’t have any interest in getting to know me or they use it as an excuse to trauma dump on me. Good social skills are hard to find nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:13 PM
2

Got friendzoned three times last year 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:11 PM
4

Yes. Absolutely. I’m a huge proponent of ‘erotic novels are porn for women’ in the sense that they’re self-insert wish-fulfillment, which rots your brain, especially in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:05 AM
1

This. Exactly this. Casual sex is transactional validation/pleasure. Men get pleasure (orgasm), women get validation (you’re hot enough that I’ll sleep with you). I don’t believe the “men will fuck anything” bs. I certainly wouldn’t and I don’t know anyone who would. Men chase hot girls. There are just more hot girls than hot guys cus (and this doesn’t get talked about enough) it’s easier to meet the body standard for women than it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:03 AM
1

Playing devil’s advocate: balding is far less of a choice than gaining weight
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:59 AM
0

What’s funny is that casual sex is a rebellion that’s also a conformity. By rebelling against the symbolic power of authority, you conform to the symbolic power of popularity. In fact, from a cynical POV, promiscuous people need the fundamentalists more than non-promiscuous people. The rebellion is only a rebellion because a symbolic power exists that can be rebelled against. Without the symbolic power, it’s just bad decision-making with no upside.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:59 AM
1

I’m a fairly hardcore philosophy nerd and I’m now embarrassed cus I haven’t read Camus’s Myth of Sisyphus yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:56 AM
1

Comedy writers>>>stand up comics
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:54 AM
2

The problem is that I can’t argue-flirt cus I just actually end up arguing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:53 AM
1

I asked a girl out literally yesterday
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:52 AM
1

All of my friends are women, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:35 PM
1

I think she was analyzing a common phenomenon
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:34 PM
1

sex theory has a long history, it’s just not being applied to modern problems. Psychoanalysts like Freud and Lacan talked a lot about the psychology/philosophy of sex, as did more continental thinkers like Foucault.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:34 PM
1

I have found literally exactly the opposite in experience. I have lots of female friends and when they talk about the men they’re attracted to, it’s about tall, broad shoulders, assertiveness, and almost downright being mean to others. Idk maybe I need better friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:32 PM
2

Outside of relationships, almost entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:00 PM
1

There’s tons of sex theory and tons of market theory but very little sexual market theory. Since so much of sex, especially in college, is transactional, I think some analysis of this could be really interesting. I recently read a novel where an attractive college woman essentially did this and manipulated two men into doing or buying things for her and tantalizing them with either sex or the prospect of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:56 PM
2

This is true, but it’s comparable to left accelerationism of capital. Thing always had value, but the modern economy is accelerating the speed at which that value rises and falls. The same is true of SMV where online dating has accelerated the rise of female SMV and the fall of male SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:52 PM
2

It’s a requirement that my future spouse love cats
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:56 AM
1

Pretty privilege is absolutely real outside of dating. Attractive people have been proven to get more promotions and generally just receive better treatment in the world. It is more about the positive discrimination than the negative, but I get the frustration over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:02 AM
2

Self-help stuff is all bullshit that only works if you already have certain privileges that make certain resources available to you. Google some of the influencers who post that self-help stuff. 8 times out of 10 their dad is in LA real estate or something similar. These people are born rich and don't have real problems, thus they can peddle dubious life advice because they'd basically have to try to fail in order to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:00 AM
1

lol no. Plenty of people are comfortable with themselves and shouldn't be because they're awful people. That's arrogance. No one has nothing to hide
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:58 AM
1

The thing is that certain interests are more valuable in our economy. It’s harder to become an engineer or doctor (both male-dominated) than a nurse or social worker (female-dominated), thus we pay engineers and doctors more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:51 PM
–

I think a lot of problems have to do with the historical precedent of women marrying up when things really were unfair and the only way for a woman to secure safety was to marry well. Now that women are largely equal in the workplace… they still want to marry up and men are expected to marry down. We’ve adjusted the professional potential of success for lots of women, but women haven’t adjusted their attitudes towards lower-earning men with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:44 PM
1

Does anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:26 PM
2

Or maybe sometimes women make dumb choices and then get mad when they have to suffer the consequences 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:24 PM
1

Oh I was making a joke. I guess I like to think I’m good, but not everyone’s gonna be liked by everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:21 PM
2

… in my state a 17 year old woman can consent to sex so you’re just wrong there. Also plenty of young women actively want to have sex with older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:15 PM
1

What happens when you take the Lacan pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:13 PM
1

Yes. As someone who hates parties and doesn’t drink, it fucking sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:12 PM
2

More usually. Sometimes similar. Idk if I have a great reference for how I look though. I mean, sure, I’m attracted to hot women, but I have crushes moreso on the cute girl-next-door bookish types.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:11 PM
1

Cus lots of men are assholes, but I’m one of the good ones
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:10 PM
2

Then why do women thirst after those older men knowing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:07 PM
2

Yeah, but if you can pull a younger, more attractive woman, why wouldn’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:47 PM
2

When I say ‘older’ I mean like 20 year olds being attracted to 25-40 year olds, not 60 year olds
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:13 PM
7

People underestimate how attracted young women are to older men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:19 AM
1

Sexual desire can manifest on the conscious level, but the primal feeling of arousal/libido is subconscious
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:18 AM
3

It’s probably my own bias because I personally find it easier to develop my personality and delve into my interests than hit the gym. There’s probably a whole bunch of people who think the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 01:31 AM
2

I’m shorter than that and lanky so consider yourself lucky lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 01:17 AM
–

It is much much easier to personality-maxx than to looks-maxx. Good personality doesn’t even guarantee a LTR. Often it leads to friendzoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:12 AM
–

Remember she got cast in the Blurred Lines video cus she had a stomach virus and threw up a whole bunch and then never put the weight back on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:11 AM
4

Attraction/sexual desire doesn’t operate on the conscious level. It operates on the subconscious level. It’s why the phrase ‘sex sells’ has so much truth to it. Inserting any erotic form connects a product with sexual desire. The truth is that your two separate statements are essentially the same, but operating on different levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:31 PM
–

Modeling for advertising (which is what Emily Ratjakowski does) is self-objectification. That’s the point. She sells clothes and other things cus she’s hot. I don’t really know how you can dispute that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:26 PM
–

Honestly, intelligence has done the opposite for me. It means my standards are higher, but since I don’t meet a certain looks threshold, I become friends with smart women, but don’t get dates out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:19 PM
–

In some areas, yes. In dating? Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:17 PM
–

She’s a model who complains about being sexualized despite sexualization being the entire point of modeling/the only reason she has money. If she really hated being sexualized so much, she would stop modeling, but she’d much rather have the all-expenses-paid vacations and the house in the hills.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:16 PM
–

I wonder how Emily Ratajkowski lives with the insane amount of cognitive dissonance in her head
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:11 PM
–

I hate tattoos and find most of them unattractive on anyone of either gender. Facial hair can be hit and miss, though I’ve been told I look more attractive with stubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:07 PM
–

What do you think is more advantageous in society: being a man or being attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:05 PM
1

Pretty much. There’s enough of a belief in God that even opposition to belief in God acknowledges a God to not believe in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:28 PM
–

What we’ve seen with online dating is an acceleration of this. Men are even more open a out their thirstiness and women are even more choosy. So the responsibility falls on men to be choosier and less desperate for sex and on women to lower their standards accordingly. More realistically, we’re heading towards a collapse of the sexual marketplace where we either end up with a total incel/slut binary or a return to traditional social conservative values. We’ve already seen some evidence of the la…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:51 PM
1

I didn’t even think of this but that’s a great idea
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:50 AM
1

Lol my friend gave me a copy for my birthday this year so I’m all set!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:49 AM
2

Someone tell me to stop buying books. I have a serious problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:13 AM
1

I'm actually not sure... even so, as far as I can recall it's really the house they're worried about.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:13 AM
–

You’re damn right it hurts, but when it comes to friends, beggars can’t be choosers, ya know?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:04 AM
–

except you can have that friendship part and then not the romantic/sexual part.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:02 AM
1

Right, but the subtext there is that if they lose the house, they can’t afford a new one. They outright say they’d need to move in with their aunt & uncle whose estate is even smaller than the Bennetts’.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:57 AM
1

Oh ok now I see. Yes, they’re social equals (which is part of why it’s ludicrous that Darcy looks down on the Bennetts to start). And I see your point on Wickham (whom everyone loves until they find out he’s a pedophile, but I feel like even the suavest pedophile would find that’s a dealbreaker for the vast, vast majority of women). I still think part of Darcy’s romanticization/fetishization has to do with him being a bit of a jerk. That scene that constantly gets memed by women as super attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:56 AM
1

Yeah they’re solidly middle class, but compared to Darcy that’s nothing. Plus, they lose the house once their father dies and with 6 people to house, they need to marry off to someone moderately well off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:52 AM
1

You could keep a cook if you were middle class at that time. The Darcy estate is way, way bigger and nicer than the Bennett estate and if the Bennetts has Darcy-type money, then they wouldn’t be so obsessed with marrying up. They’d be like Emma Woodhouse who actually is that rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:38 AM
2

You need to find yourself a girl who spends her 9-9 at a library. God yes I do. Thus why I transferred from a party school to a semi-elite liberal arts school.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:34 AM
–

They aren’t equals, though. Elizabeth’s family has the estate, but little money. Darcy’s family is fabulously wealthy with a huge estate and tons of money. I’m contending the opposite. What makes P&P good is that Darcy does undergo a change where he reconciles his pride with his love, but the fundamental misunderstanding is that women like the pride and find that endearing rather than the kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:32 AM
–

But at the first party he attends, he clearly does have an issue with class. They may not be low class, but that makes it worse. Darcy is so proud that he has disdain for a perfectly normal town just cus they don’t match his standards of high society. So it’s about Darcy’s perception, not the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:27 AM
–

Oh yeah totally. I doubt women would love P&P as much if it were about a woman rejecting her parents wishes and marrying down with a man she truly loves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:22 AM
–

Yeah, but originally that holds no sway over Elizabeth and even when she sees his estate, she isn’t convinced to marry him or even like him. It’s not until she sees his passion for the people he cares about or his reformed attitudes towards ‘lower society’ that she likes him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:18 AM
–

Isn’t the point that he changes about halfway through when he realizes he loves Elizabeth and he has to reconcile his distaste for ‘low society’ with that love?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:16 AM
–

Yeah that’s a big issue. The amount of high schoolers who actually care about classes is pretty small so Idk if another class would change anything at all
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:00 AM
–

I have a runner’s build and am fairly athletic, but I’m slim and lean rather than bulky or muscular. And, personally, I don’t really have a problem with my own body and have no desire to bulk up. Maybe it’s just my experience but many women I’ve interacted with at college has said they’d rather date older guys including one who said she wouldn’t even date fellow undergrads at all. And it sucks because I think I’m pretty mature for my age (though I’m posting here so that could be cast into doubt)…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:58 AM
–

I have a theory that women don’t romanticize or thirst after Mr. Darcy because he becomes a nice dude by the end of Pride and Prejudice, but because they miss the point and see him as the ‘douchebag with a soft spot for that one girl in particular’ and women loooooove that trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:53 AM
–

Oh yeah it will never happen, but wishful thinking never hurt anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:31 AM
–

I get that, but I’m of the mind that those abstractions happen to matter a hell of a lot. It’s why we learn things like proofs in math classes. There’s no real practical application in many fields, but what it teaches is logical thinking which matters a hell of a lot. Exploring abstract concepts teaches critical thinking skills and rhetoric, two woefully underrepresented skills in society right now. Specifically, I think the exploration of sex psychology could help young men and women understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:30 AM
–

It’s less about age itself and more about the presentation. I’m cursed with a youthful face/body type so no matter who I am as a person, I look 16-17 and no girl wants to date a 16-17 year old boy when there are guys my age who look 25 which projects maturity and protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:25 AM
–

I had a thought today. I know sex ed is controversial in some parts of the country, but I was wondering: what if we had a required Sex Psychology class in high schools? As important as the health and biological aspects of sex ed are, I think the psychology is equally important. You could teach the psychology of attraction/sex/sexual power from writers like Foucault as well as the fundamentals of psychoanalysis so students could begin to grasp some of the more abstract concepts behind love, sex, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:20 AM
1

Absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:18 AM
1

Lol do you know hard it is to get your CPA. It requires at least a bachelor’s + 300-400 hours of studying for the exam itself. It’s like half a step below passing the BAR.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:00 AM
–

This is the whole argument of The Culture of Narcissism and one I think has a lot of merit. Our generation’s intense individualism (narcissism) has led to a breakdown of the family unit which is just not sustainable in an era where everything is expensive and most people are unhappy. Fortunately, we’re slowly seeing a shift in certain circles back towards trad values and social conservatism, which I think can do a lot of good for society rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:53 PM
–

I think my least favorite period of Instagram was when all the girls from my high school went to college and started posting their boyfriends who either were 3-5 years older than them or looked it. Young-looking guys get shafted til they turn like 24.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:49 PM
–

God yes. That feeling of getting blocked after making a good point is like heroin (I assume).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:06 PM
–

I’ve held a similar view for a while too. I like hip hop and, like all things, it’s good in moderation, but most of the men I’ve met who listen exclusively to hypermasculine hip hop are huge assholes and bullies. Hip hop has some un-reckoned-with issues regarding sexism, homophobia, and hypermasculinity that no one wants to touch for fear of being called racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:37 PM
–

Songwriters have mined their own relationships for material since the dawn of popular music. I do remember the feminist backlash to TSwift being called a serial dater. I really like Swift’s music, but I don’t think those criticisms were necessarily wrong. She went through relationships shockingly quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:34 PM
1

But then why is it that these average women can sleep with Chads while the reverse (average dudes sleeping with Stacys) isn’t? Does that not speak of some sexual privileging of the woman to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:14 PM
2

It’s called Why Theory. The two hosts are professors who break down philosophy/psychoanalysis/critical theory each episode. Highly highly recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:02 PM
2

I heard this put really well in a podcast the other day: “It doesn’t matter if God does or doesn’t exist because if he doesn’t exist, he might as well exist.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:53 PM
1

Freud said a lot about this. We have a subconscious urge to acquiesce to some higher power (like God or our parents) and when religion and our parents go away, we try to find some higher power or purpose with an implied invisible higher power.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:04 PM
7

I would actually reverse your statement. It isn’t a bunch of chads using average women for sex. It’s a bunch of average women able to get chads for sex because of the way women’s sexual market value has risen largely due to online dating in the last 10 years or so. Your statement that these men are using women for sex implies the women have no agency in making the choice to have sex with these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:48 PM
1

Well then the whole manosphere argument is that the dating field leagues are gynocentric and unfair and should be corrected. On top of that, the dating field leagues are decided by people, so the current state of things with the consistent role of women as the gatekeepers of sex implies a sort of monopolistic attitude where women have simultaneously agreed to raise the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 05:13 PM
11

Who’s to say the men are shooting above their league and the women don’t have standards too high?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 05:04 PM
1

Same. I can’t imagine how empty your soul must be to sell gullible teens useless items with a pretty face and no other qualities worth valuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:01 PM
1

Yeah the two biggest things I consciously look for in a partner are kindness and intelligence. They matter a lot. I think a lot of what this sub misunderstands is that attraction cannot consciously be controlled. Libido is part of the subconscious and often our expressions betray our desires, i.e. a woman can put ‘6’+ only’ in her tinder bio, but be attracted to a guy who’s 5’9” for ineffable reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:20 PM
1

As far as I know, most women want kids with their partners and aren’t pseudo-eugenicists attempting to create the perfect offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:13 PM
2

Problem is that intelligence doesn’t always equal wealth. Certain fields like academia, writing, and psychology require incredible intelligence and knowledge, but don’t pay particularly well. I get your heritage point, though and I also wonder how much people have the perspective that intelligence matters a ton in later years when most of what you do is talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:10 PM
1

Depends. If she wants a guy taller than her, sure. I get why girls like that. But most guys are taller than most girls. If you’re 5’5” and will only date guys 6’ and up, that’s pretty silly. Like me saying I’ll only date girls who went to Ivy Leagues.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:09 PM
1

I feel this for dating for sure, but I wouldn’t really care for a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:06 PM
2

All of my friends are women, so yes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:05 PM
1

I think it can also be a detriment in some cases. Intelligent guys who aren’t particularly attractive can be pigeonholed into the unattractive ‘nerd’ category.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:01 PM
2

I said it in another thread, but one of my closest female friends doesn’t give two shits if you’re smart unless you can provide her a certain lifestyle. She doesn’t represent all women, but the attitude certainly exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:09 PM
3

To me, this speaks to the importance of lookism. If you’re attractive, intelligence is an asset. If you’re not, you’re seen as a pretentious nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:03 PM
2

“Free the nipple” has never made sense to me. “We wanna be able to walk around topless but WITHOUT anyone sexualizing us!” Like, do they not understand how arousal works?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:01 AM
2

I hope so. Looking perpetually 16 and then seeing every woman my age dating dudes who look at least 23 has done serious damage to my self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:14 AM
9

IMO the female equivalent of porn is romance novels. They’re the ultimate ‘super hot guy sees what’s special about me, an average woman, and then anticipates my every desire and satisfies it.’ Like porn, it’s fine in moderation, but some of the attitudes present are beginning to trickle into real life, which I find hilarious because if a man acted like a man in a romance novel and wasn’t ridiculously attractive, he’d be labeled a sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:13 AM
0

30 and look 35. I look about 3-4 years younger than I am and I think it kills my dating life. Women love older and older-looking guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:06 AM
–

Paris. Would be tougher if the Italian city was Milan. I’m more of a modern art/fashion guy than a history buff. Plus the bookstores and cafes!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 12:19 AM
3

People don’t talk about this enough. When you’re born hot, people just gravitate to you and you never have to develop a personality or become interesting. Thus why so many hot people are just carbon copies of the same dull stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 11:50 PM
5

Wait til you look at tinder data and see what women’s standards are
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:24 PM
1

I don’t think it’s ‘good’ for a multitude of reasons (though those are entirely subjective). However, I don’t think Harry Potter is capital A art. There’s no deeper meaning to it, no meta content, no philosophical argument. It’s a fun story meant to be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:49 PM
1

I have a theory that much of dating can be reduced to the classic ‘jocks vs. nerds’ dichotomy. I have no hard evidence or support, but I feel it in my gut.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:24 PM
2

I think the only answer is the one the Supreme Court gave when asked to define pornography: ‘you know it when you see it.’ To some degree, it’s subjective. To some degree, it’s not. But we can largely agree Harry Potter is not and Crime and Punishment is, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:14 PM
-1

Tell that to my mom who works 60+ hour weeks, has for years, and now makes over 300k a year. Her experience in the corporate world is that the smart and capable people get rewarded and the ones who aren’t don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:57 AM
3

Liking boring mainstream shit and having no interest in quality art/media. Having no hobbies outside of hanging with the girlfriends, sleeping, and working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:40 AM
0

I mean if you want to think like that, don’t expect to ever make it out of the lower-middle class. People like to pretend all of the corporate world is unfair, but there is a decent level of meritocracy. The people who put in 60+ hour weeks tend to get ahead while the people who slack off don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:39 AM
2

I think men and women are disconnected in this instance. Women have a sexual advantage men don’t, but they get appreciated for their beauty far more than their intelligence or personality, thus they feel reduced to sex objects. Man have advantages in the workplace and academia, but are rarely sexualized, thus they feel undesired by the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:37 AM
1

Idk my attractive friend thinks it's pretty great when tons of guys give her compliments and she gets free drinks and stuff. I get there's a downside of too much attention, but I'd say the positives outweigh the negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:51 PM
2

Why would <person who works job that requires less skill> make less than <person who works job that requires more skill>? Probably because being an accountant requires deeper knowledge and more specialty than being a nurse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:47 PM
3

Not useless, but women go into these professions knowing they pay less than finance or accounting or something then complain how they make less than men. Wanna make more? Choose a higher paying career.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:32 PM
5

I thought it was funny when I was still using OLD how nearly every woman was studying nursing, psychology, or education. Like, wow. Now the pay gap makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:32 PM
1

As per my previous point, you can be extremely ambitious and intelligent in, say, psychology or academia and never break $100k a year cus that’s how our economy values those jobs. She’s specifically after money.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:57 PM
2

All I got from this is ‘feminists like dating feminists’
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:55 PM
1

She hasn’t achieved it though. She’s still in undergrad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:53 PM
2

Agreed. Unless you’re a doctor working 16-24 hours shifts or more, sleeping isn’t really a hobby. More likely it’s an avoidance of the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:29 PM
7

Most people don’t have interests outside of sleeping, sports, and popular tv/movies. It’s depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:27 PM
1

Having a degree is far, far different from making 6-7 figures. I want to date someone who has a degree. I don’t require my future partner to be wealthy. Just about anyone can get a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:25 PM
2

I mean, philosophically we could reduce any preference or standard to shallowness, which is valid. Personally, I think my friend is in for a very rude awakening when she marries up, hits her late thirties, and her looks fade. Unless she finds that perfect guy who’s attractive, rich, and is so kind and in love with her that he’ll continue to love her even when her looks fade, she’ll be screwed if she gives such preference to wealth. Plus, if she does find a guy that amazing, he’ll have his pick o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:17 PM
2

My point is that earning potential doesn’t mean much outside of lifestyle opportunity, which I would call shallow. I don’t get your argument for how it isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:12 PM
2

But, it’s not shallow to want to be attracted to your partner? If you wanna put numbers to it, I’m looking at the top 50% of women in terms of attractiveness and she’s looking at the top 1-2% of men in terms of wealth. If she were like “I want a man who doesn’t work at McDonalds and actually does something,” that’s one thing. But she’s exclusively looking at the Goldman-Sachs/McKinsey types when there are plenty of men who are equally intelligent and capable who just happen to be in less earning…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:06 PM
1

Oh yeah absolutely. My mom is an exception to the idea, though I think there are plenty of women who happen to make less than their partners because of the way the economy values male-dominated jobs versus female-dominated ones who would be perfectly fine with making more than their husbands. But I also don’t want to discount any amount of shallowness on the part of some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:04 PM
3

That’s just a roundabout way of saying what I’m saying. Valuing men based on how ambitious they are to make money is just valuing men based on how much money they make/what lifestyle they can offer you. That’s being shallow. I don’t really get your looks/lifestyle point. It’s not that unattractive women don’t fit into my lifestyle- it’s that I’m not attracted to them. Sex is part of a relationship, so that matters. Money (in the amounts we’re talking) is completely separate from romance. It’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:02 PM
2

Equating earning potential with amount of work is a false equivalency. People can work equally hard in, say, psychology and finance and make wildly different amounts of money because of how we value those professions in the economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:54 PM
2

But ambition doesn’t equal money necessarily. You can be ambitious as an academic and get your phd and never break $100k a year. She’s not looking for a trait, she’s looking for dough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:53 PM
0

I kinda have both perspectives on this because on one hand, I agree that most women want a man who makes more than them, but on the other, my mom makes 3-4x more than my dad and is fine with that. But most women are nothing like my mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:47 PM
2

I wouldn’t date a woman I’m not attracted to, but that’s different than reducing dating to numbers that say “if you can’t offer me a certain lifestyle, I don’t want you.” Essentially, everything in a guy could be perfect for her, but if he works a middle management office job making $70k a year, she won’t date him. For context, she wants to be a big shot lawyer so when she says she won’t date a man who makes less than her, she means any man she dates must be making mid 6-7 figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:46 PM
3

I disagree. I have a friend who says she refuses to date a man with less earning potential than her. IMO that’s very shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:38 PM
2

Problem is I take meds that can interact badly with alcohol and cause problems. Weed I just think is dumb and holds no interest for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:11 PM
4

If you’re a woman, yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:10 PM
4

I hate how casual sex is basically off-limits to anyone who has no interest in drugs or alcohol. I can be horny and not want to scramble my brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:56 PM
3

Paglia, Maggie Nelson, and Joan Didion are the three most essential feminist writers of the last 50 years or so IMO. All just absolutely brilliant and acknowledge the shortcomings of radfem ideas while also being realistically progressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:51 PM
1

The difference is Dan Harmon is a comedic genius and Louis CK is not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:20 PM
–

Paglia rants constantly about feminism ignoring the inherent nature of desire and I think she’s totally right. Sidenote: her essay on campus rape is absolutely brilliant and one of my favorite pieces of writing on feminism ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:53 AM
–

The biggest mistake of feminism was throwing Freud to the wayside. Freud/Lacan explain so much of the impenetrability of sexual desire, but people reduce to fucking your mom and doing coke.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:43 AM
1

I don’t think it’s ‘normal’ that they date older. Men of the same age are perfectly viable sexual/romantic problems. It’s about pure physical preference and younger men get kinda shafted by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:53 PM
2

Right, but then we should blame the person making the choice and let them suffer the logical consequences rather than blaming ‘manipulative men.’
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:50 PM
2

Yeah strongly disagree here. I was friends with almost exclusively women during college and not a single one was attracted to me. We matched in maturity levels, thus we could be friends, but they only wanted to date older guys cus they were attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:49 PM
1

I think ‘impress’ is the wrong word. It’s more about the attention economy and attention from the opposite gender is more valuable so most things men and women do is to gain that attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:40 PM
1

Based as fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:39 PM
8

Literally I think every woman I was friends with in college said they were attracted to older men. One even said she refused to date fellow undergraduates and would only date graduate students or older.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:39 PM
1

Starstruck on HBO
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:42 AM
2

Seconding reading real philosophy. You’ll get 1000x more out of Being and Nothingness or Phenomenology of Spirit than the bs self-help that’s either common sense or only works if you’re already privileged (it irks me that so many rich young white women read that shit and think it’s so empowering when the only reason the self-help stuff applies to them is cus they already have all the privilege the world could offer them).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:32 AM
2

Anyone who thinks looks are purely subjective is coping. Looks are subjective on a small scale, but the large scale of ugly vs. attractive is pretty objective based on western beauty standards. When we say ‘looks are subjective,’ we focus on the large portion of people in the middle of the bell curve who could fall anywhere between a 4 and a 7 on a subjective rating scale. But most people will agree on objectively ugly and objectively attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:48 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter