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/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:49 PM
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They don't support capitalist elites, you're conflating the elites' attempt to leverage these grievances for power, with the actual reactionary politics. Reactionaries like Fuentes are not pro-capitalism, they are very much in favor of destroying the oligarchy and capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:20 AM
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Nothing ever happens... until it does
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:19 AM
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Men who would like a virgin wife because they want a wife who has conservative values around sex knows and accepts this, and would not be upset by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:14 AM
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When I was in a relationship I had sex every day for years and became an expert in her body, unless promiscuous people are doing that with their FWBs then that's not likely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:12 AM
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Women that are whores with poor partner selection are not considered viable partners by men looking for a quality mate so yes those women are removed from the dating pool which is frustrating because it makes it unnecessarily competitive. If most women were marriageable then searching for a wife would be a lot easier than it currently is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 09:09 AM
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Was this online dating, or you brought this up on the 2nd date with someone you met organically? I'm just curious where you found them originally and what traits you were selecting for to find a candidate in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:28 AM
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Out of curiosity, how did you do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:17 AM
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According to this, what you're saying is actually not at all true https://archive.is/v0Rf1
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:15 AM
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Exactly. Men who are looking for a quality woman should not be mad about damaged women going for damaged men because you don't want that woman raising your kids anyways. It's quite legitimate to be frustrated with the overall state of society that has led to so many women being removed from the dating pool though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:34 AM
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I think any discussion where people fixate on specific traits or behaviors tend to implicitly exclude a lot of other important factors that just aren't the focus of the discussion. When someone says they want a girlfriend who doesn't have tattoos it doesn't mean that literally any woman without tattoos is more attractive than one who has them, it's just adding an additional requirement on top of their existing partner selection (that she's cooperative, reciprocates your love, a healthy weight, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:34 AM
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It's paramount in the sense that it is necessary, not that it must be maximized. You just need to love each other enough to hold the family together. Love itself can be pretty utilitarian. As times goes by, couples' love becomes less school sweethearts and more life partners. Couples often have less sex over time. And love is flexible, we know that arranged marriages are surprisingly stable and loving despite not being founded in love. Hell, we even know that couples can stay together out of hat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:50 AM
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It's not idealistic, it's literally written in the religious text that our entire civilization has been governed by for the last 2000 years and is baked into or hormonal biology. Do you think that love in relationships was only invented in the 1960s?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:02 AM
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Cc /u/mashedturnip that's essentially my point, "duty sex" is basically like having sex with a prostitute which is not a replacement for real sexual intimacy. You are framing the "traditional desire" of sex to be like banging a prostitute when in reality it's a transcendent, procreative, marital act of profound love, possibly the deepest emotional experience a human can have. So the premise is false, there is no way to fulfill the other "traditional desires" without love
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:03 AM
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It's fundamentally impossible to "perform sex" with someone you're indifferent towards. Even degenerates who have casual sex with strangers are feeling dopaminergic lust and novelty from their partner, let alone a real couple in a relationship whose sex is an expression of their profound long term reproductive bond
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 10:39 PM
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No, libertarianism was separate. Conservatism typically refers to social traditionalism, not just no government.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:40 PM
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There are some traits women mistakenly ask for and then dislike like you're saying, but those 3 are not on that list. Those men may not be the exciting ones that sluts go for but there are some hard, hard men that fit those criteria that you'd never question the moral strength of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:39 PM
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This is a good answer, it forms the root of a lot of my own requirements as well
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:35 PM
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It's very simple but has been obfuscated by the societal attack on marriage. The obvious answer is that if you would be proud for your son/daughter to grow up to be like the man/woman you're considering dating, then as long as they meet a basic threshold of attraction they are a good prospective partner. What this means is up to the individual and their own values. This standard should be applied by even people who don't want kids. Anyone who is not applying this standard one way or another (man…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:33 PM
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No, most men who actually want this do actually want this. I don't think the men who are desperate to get laid and would be upset by getting passed over for character reasons are really looking for morally selective women in practice. The problem that men looking for such women have is that women like that are very rare, so they are wading through a sea of uninteresting options much like women are with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:38 AM
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Demisexual would imply that she doesn't have casual sex which seems like a sign of good character, you probably mean pansexual or something
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:18 AM
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Quite frankly I almost never see women I really like. There are plenty of women above my standard of attractiveness but to find one who has the kind of character and morals and maturity that would make me attracted to them... happens almost never. Physical looks isn't even the issue, if anything fit women seem to be correlated against good values and towards hedonistic behavior so it's finding someone halfway between who takes care of their body but isn't some perpetual child who is always on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:10 AM
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The feminization of our institutions as a whole is responsible for the rightward shift
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 06:50 PM
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Those sexual abuse cases in scouts were extremely rare. Yes there were predators but all the scoutmasters I had as a kid were amazing role models.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 05:38 PM
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Pick men who you'd be proud if your son grew up to be like him. Calm, respectful, thoughtful, responsible. If you want a straightforward example, think boy scout (low risk) vs. frat boy (high risk).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:11 PM
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Using grip strength as a proxy, almost zero women are above the median value for men so unless you're a gym rat who trains specifically for strength and choose those exceptionally weak men as partners, you're not going to find a weaker man than yourself. Even for equal body weight, weightlifting strength standards for women are generally about 60% of the male versions. For lower body strength the gap is smaller but lower body strength alone isn't really very practical in the kind of struggle rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:30 AM
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That would eliminate basically the entire dating pool since even an unfit man is stronger than most women. You're supposed to pick men who aren't going to rape you, rather than find weak ones who are incapable of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:55 AM
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To play devil's advocate, women are much more susceptible to influence/peer pressure and conform to trends etc. so overall the effect on them is much larger even though they may spend the same time as men. Social media to women is like pornography to men, dangerously targeted to their most vulnerable social interests. Men are of course damaged by it too but I would argue based on statistics about depression and anxiety and suicide attempts that women have been harmed much more by social media th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:40 AM
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We do but it doesn't override our basal instincts about reproduction, which is our highest evolutionary purpose. The fact that "slut shaming" is a concept that exists for women but not men is direct evidence of this sexual dimorphism in humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:45 PM
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They are categorically different though. They have fundamentally different roles in reproduction, which completely changes their life strategies and risk assessment profiles. Obviously there's lots of overlap in general but the differences are way too big to say "we're basically the same." The notion that we're basically the same is a fiction born of post-birth-control feminism that tries to assert that once women no longer are subject to pregnancy those differences vanish but that's simply not …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:43 PM
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First of all, I would have to see some real data about partner counts come out, there's really no good data on it. I would want to see a histogram of partner count for men and women for a bunch of different age brackets, I've never seen any data that robust on it before. I'm not sure if those stats that women have fewer partners than men on average is really true anymore. And second, of course it matters to consider the differences between men and women when you're levying a charge of hypocrisy.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:31 AM
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A better comparison would be a woman evolving from being chaste at a younger age to becoming more promiscuous at a older age. Men and women have opposite mating strategies so you can't just compare them directly as if they're equivalent. A woman who is promiscuous is setting her own value low (i.e. she doesn't demand much from the man to give him access to her body) whereas a man who is promiscuous is able to overcome that threshold of a lot of women (i.e. he is valuable in their eyes). I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 04:50 AM
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Having high standards is both the biggest blessing and the biggest curse
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 03:41 AM
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It's not up to men to police other men's behaviors. Personally I find it hypocritical for men to want to marry a woman who isn't promiscuous when they themselves have a promiscuous past, but many women don't seem to care about men's pasts the way most men care about women's so hypocritical or not the double standard is just not consequential in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 03:33 AM
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Polls show that young men want a family and kids way more than young woman but going off of these comments it seems like it's just everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:34 AM
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It's insane to me how few people here are saying they want a wife to raise kids with. Humanity is hosed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:56 AM
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There is some evidence that modern sexual selection practices are dysgenic. If this is true, it raises some very uncomfortable questions about the balance between women's rights and civilizational stability. If it turns out that societies are only stable long-term when men have a say in who their daughters marry, that would present a huge conundrum for the entire way we look at society
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:07 AM
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Western people in general I agree but many men haven't participated in it. Many of us basically had a culturally 1950s upbringing. It affected women much more strongly and they had a lot more targeted propaganda fed to them. As a man born in the mid 90s I was still raised being told that I had to be a moral and capable provider to attract a good wife. I was taught to date to marry and not to see women as objects of sexual conquest. I started wanting kids when I turned about 23 and finding someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:31 AM
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What you're describing (raping all the kids too) is even more uncommon than what even I was referring to. Again I'm not trying to minimize your familial trauma but throwing out an extremely stable social system that was responsible for basically our entire civilizational success is not the answer to fixing a small minority of abuses within that system
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 12:12 AM
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It's not a collapse quite yet but in my industry and in others people are aging out way faster than they're being replaced. The electrical grid and roads are in an increasing state of disrepair. It's not that conspicuous yet but it's definitely headed in that direction. The education system is collapsing as well, in 10 years kids are going to be graduating having severely diminished capacity compared to previous generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 12:08 AM
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Most western men didn't really go through the sexual revolution either though, not the same way women have
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 12:05 AM
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I agree but it needs to happen very slowly or you will get a technological collapse like we're headed towards right now
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:49 PM
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In case it wasn't clear I was soliciting an elaboration, not the same word to be repeated lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:02 PM
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Our birth rates have not stabilized though, in western countries they are way below replacement. Every generation is on track to be 50% smaller than the last in many countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:01 PM
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Gender roles are our equilibrium state as a species. If society backslides into a more barbaric and unstable place, they will return in full force. The erasure of gender roles is an artificial construct created by a government that provides for people's protection and individual needs, and an easy lifestyle that reduces the need for division of labor. But even today if you put a bunch of men and women in the right environment they will fall naturally into their gender roles by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:11 PM
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Population shrinkage is good but only if it happens very slowly so that things can adapt over time. Automation is a house of cards that depends on a huge workforce of expertise to keep it running, it's not self-sufficient. If the population in the west collapses in just a couple generations as it's currently slated to, and the people that know how to operate the power plants age out and die, you're going to notice real quick when suddenly the grid falls apart and it takes 50 years to get it back…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:06 PM
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Immigration?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:01 PM
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They drive certain kinds of it but their energy is oriented towards their family. They work less, they buy fewer luxury goods and more essentials, and they derive satisfaction from their family and community rather than media. It's pretty obvious that the economic forces are suppressing rather than encouraging families, that's why birthrates have plummeted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:57 PM
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That's terrible but the existence of tyrannical men did not mean that most relationships were like that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:51 PM
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No the woman in this scenario doesn't work an outside job, I'm assuming she doesn't. Obviously if someone has to work a job and raise the kids then that is an absurd workload that's not even really possible to do without compromising the quality of your kids' upbringing but with a normal division of labor the woman's job isn't any more burdensome than the man's. The burden they face today is a recent development as a consequence of wage stagnation and the financialization of the economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 01:50 AM
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It's not that every woman is likely to choose that, and I think us going extinct is an exaggeration. But the population would likely collapse and we would end up in a technological dark age through lost institutional knowledge, which could happen more easily than you think. It's already happening to some extent right now as baby boomers age out of the workforce, as immigrants enter industry, and as rent-seeking corporations drive workers to cut costs and be less methodical in their work. If we h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:45 PM
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Prison population discrepancies are caused by sex differences in aggression, not status in general. Women are much more status driven than men, who are only interested in status insofar as it helps them secure a mate which is why they seek status in the specific ways they do
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:34 PM
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The notion that "traditional living was evil and terrible" is just flatly false in the absolute sense even if you ignore modern women's dwindling mental health. It's a falsehood made up by cultural revolutionaries who were on a mission
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:30 PM
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No doubt childbirth is risky but childcare a "burden"? How is it more of a burden than the man going to work? Raising children is basically the point of life, painting it like some inconvenience best avoided is like saying "ugh the walking gets in the way of my enjoyment of hikes"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:26 PM
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Both things can be true. It can be true that plenty of women fall in legitimate love and don't care about finances, while at the same time the population-scale trajectory being governed by instinctive hypergamy. Society needs to be built around the population scale effects, not just the minority of ideal cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:22 PM
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Not sure what you're talking about. Do you deny that the disparity between men and women in the prison population is due to biological truths? If not, I'm not sure why you'd think that risk taking and entrepreneurship aren't influenced by biological traits too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:20 PM
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You yourself acknowledged further down the the bible says the wife submits to the man as the church is the subject of Christ. It's pretty obvious that that's a position of moral authority and leadership, Christ didn't just say "hey you guys over there I'm going to allow myself to be ruined and executed so you guys just carry on." He led them spiritually and preached and demonstrated the right way to be. They are his church because they submit to his preaching, if they didn't they wouldn't be a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:52 PM
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The "trads" you're probably thinking of are Andrew Tate-listening red pill degenerates who are basically the opposite of what I'm describing. Tell me if you've ever heard a red piller say anything like this quote by Chadd Wright to his wife: "If one day I pass away from this earth and you outlive me, if the one thing you say about me when others ask you is that you saw Christ in me through the self sacrifice I made unto you as my wife, then my whole life will have been successful."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:48 AM
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First of all, even in the modern day women are still quite vulnerable during late pregnancy and postpartum, and caring for a baby is an all-consuming task for both the husband and wife. The baby needs to nurse constantly too, unless you're going to stuff the baby into daycare with artificial formula immediately then a baby is going to take you out of work for many months. People trivialize pregnancy as if it's not a big deal these days but it absolutely is. Second of all, our social behaviors an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:07 AM
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No it's not, look up subjugation in the dictionary. Subjugation implies a forceful act of bringing someone under control. A woman relies on him for support because she carries a heavy reproductive burden and cannot easily provide for herself in the latter phases of pregnancy and immediately postpartum (especially prior to industrialization). She willingly submits to him in return for his dedication to her and their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 05:47 AM
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The man sacrifices himself for the family and in doing so is worthy of his wife's submission to him. She submits not by subjugation but willingly out of respect for the natural order of their relationship. This is the natural order because the woman is ultimately relying on him to support her and the family rather than disappear, and by willingly forfeiting his freedom and dedicating himself to their family when he could easily leave, he earns her dedication to him in return. Both thus exist sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 05:28 AM
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Sex is an essential part of a relationship but there is definitely a whole separate world of strategies and advice for people who want casual sex vs those who are looking for a real relationship. Some women give perfectly good advice although I must admit that this sub has lowered my opinion of female rhetorical capability on average lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:01 AM
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I think there is some misunderstanding of the origin of many men's criticism of women. Maybe I'm projecting my own experiences onto others but the women in my family are incredibly capable, incredibly dedicated, incredibly selfless, incredibly moral people who gave me an upbringing that I can only hope to replicate for my kids. Women are the ones who pass our culture and values as a civilization down to the next generation. Women were traditionally the conservative ones. The fact that many women…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 10:05 PM
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Starting your kids late in school is literally a cheat code, they do so much better than their peers, and the advantage it confers is lifelong. It's their loss for not wanting that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 08:28 PM
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No, people who are actually good at sex understand that the sexual dynamic of a couple is something that is very malleable and that a marriage-quality relationship can always work through sex problems through open communication and compromise to a point good enough to maintain the marriage, with the exception of particularly pathological situations. Not to mention that married life is busy and hard and sex is not always going to be possible, so the relationship must be able to survive without se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:58 AM
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That's your opinion but in the western moral system sex does have a value and reserving it for exclusive if not marital relationships is absolutely a higher standard. The historical success of our culture can in part be attributed to our cultural insistence on sex being a marital act or at least something approximating it, which leads to a more stable society. The idea that all consensal sex is an amoral act is a brand new conception that came about as a part of the neoliberal capitalist project…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:52 AM
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I care very much about sex and have a high drive but I don't believe in casual sex from a moral standpoint and have passed it up even when women have propositioned me. I hope there are at least some women out there who hold themselves to similarly high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:48 AM
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The notion of paying people for domestic labor sounds sensible at first but it makes no sense. The solution is not to tax everyone more, then launder that money through the government and redistribute it to certain people, it's to simply pay a family wage in the first place. The problem is that this is basically impossible so long as both men and women work so it's not clear what the path forward is, but taxing everyone more is just going to make it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:47 AM
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The standard I apply to women is that if I wouldn't be proud for my daughter to grow up to be like her, I'm not interested. If she is, then if she's attractive enough (not a super high bar personally) then I'm probably super interested because it's a relatively small number of women that fit my personal set of values (mostly due to the widespread feminism).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:31 AM
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Just because she doesn't sleep around doesn't mean she waits until marriage. If she has 1-3 lifetime partners and only has sex once they're committed I don't think that's the kind of "used goods" OP is talking about, he's talking about someone who sees sex as a casual thing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:27 AM
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No, in uber religious circles they don't have sex until marriage. I'm talking about normal people who still have sex out of wedlock but only do it with their boyfriend/girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:23 AM
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Being a stay at home mom is a luxury afforded to and exercised by mostly only the wealthy and privileged, I don't believe that people are shaming mothers for not having an office job at the same time as raising kids
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:30 PM
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I generally am pro-welfare but quite frankly if women want equality then we need to get rid of it because men are still subsidizing this "equality" on their own dime. The forces that will make women really step up won't weigh heavily enough to actually make them our equals until then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:28 PM
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No, they don't. You're confused by the capitalist propaganda that politicians are paid to spread. Traditionalists want happy families, money is only necessary insofar as it facilitates that. The modern financialization of the economy and instruments of extractive capitalism like feminism are not consistent with traditional values at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:22 PM
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Can you give an example of a piece of equipment that has that issue? I honestly can't think of a single one
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:13 PM
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What? Have you ever actually read Genesis? Why would Eve be "useless"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:11 PM
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In some circles maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:05 PM
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Submission in marriage isn't really about telling your spouse what to do, it's about judgement. Even your submissive wife is going to ask things of you and it's your duty to do them. The submission is more about deference when it comes to decision making, e.g. are we going to let our kid watch TV as a youngster or are we going to keep them away from screens. I would love to have a wife who has a judicious yet steadfast stance on that kind of issue which I can't help but agree with. I don't neces…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:24 PM
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Why would you have sex with someone you're not exclusive with, if she's down for that she probably has diseases, as do you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:19 PM
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Judge a man on the basis of whether you'd be proud for your son to grow up to be like him. Through that lens, small behavioral issues that might seem attractive or tolerable in the short term become clear red flags for deeper personality defects. I apply this standard to women (imagining if my daughter grew up to be like them) and it immediately removes 80% of them from my consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:29 AM
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The modern person is incapable of collaboration beyond the most superficial transactional arrangements which honestly explains why civilization and marriage are crumbling these days
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:20 AM
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This sounds perfectly reasonable to me. In the wise words of Chadd Wright: "If one day I pass away from this earth and you outlive me, if the one thing you say about me when others ask you is that you saw Christ in me through the self sacrifice I made unto you as my wife, then my whole life will have been successful." But of course this is a level of devotion that a man does not bestow on just any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:18 AM
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Yes, I think many men would be thrilled to have a woman of towering moral stature but generally settle for a peer since women don't seem to espouse traditional moral values anymore. If she's going to be raising the kids whenever I'm not around you bet your ass I want a woman who is extremely wise and virtuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:04 AM
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Your takes are normally insane but this one is completely and unequivocally correct
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:28 AM
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"early on" doesn't have to mean "within 12 hours of time spent together" though. Even for people who take weeks/months to become ready for physical intimacy, that doesn't mean they won't fuck like rabbits once they get into the swing of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:26 AM
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Ironically most of them seem to have forgotten to take their pills
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:24 AM
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I don't understand what the first point is supposed to mean. Her friends owe you nothing, she is the one in the relationship. It's on her to manage her boundaries with her friends for the good of the relationship if necessary; labeling the friends as "bad" achieves nothing if she doesn't enforce boundaries. And me trying to scare off her friends is unlikely to turn out well. Please don't make me say the "A" word...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:27 PM
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I'm extremely confused because that's the argument I was making and now you're making it back to me... Men care about purity because of instinctive fear of paternity fraud. Why are you arguing if you agree with me then
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:23 PM
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That doesn't make any sense, why would it be degrading purely because it's not virtuous? Jerking off is not virtuous but it's not degrading. That's not why casual sex is seen as degrading for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:06 AM
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I guess what I meant was more than they should change the priority. Yes, they should look for the tallest and hottest man... who meets a certain standard of character. If some guy is 6'2" and fit and handsome and he's of stellar moral character and an upstanding community member etc. and wants a family, nobody is going to be surprised that all the women want him. What's disgusting is when women go for someone who is obviously noncommittal or not worthy of being a father but they tolerate it anyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:51 AM
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You're describing a fictional version of the old days that didn't exist. It's like looking at TikTok influencers and saying no I prefer to be an authentic person. The reality is that there's nothing particularly different about a married couple from the 1990s compared to the 1500s except for the types of labor they do. It's not as if being a regular human was just invented recently. The image you're describing comes from a retconned version of history that the neoliberal capitalist establishment…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:42 AM
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Maybe some, but there are some of us whose families held onto those values and who know absolutely what we want
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:38 AM
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Yet men still marry women that don't make much money despite the roles being reversed... It's almost as if marriage is more than just a "business decision"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:05 AM
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That's good for you but your anecdote doesn't really have any bearing on what we observe at the population level
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:11 PM
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Men care about body count because despite the recent invention of birth control, our social instincts are baked into our biology and culture in a fundamental way and one of the biggest risks in a male's life is paternity fraud, evolutionarily speaking
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:44 PM
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Yeah this is some incredibly twisted logic that women use but I'm surprised to see a man repeat lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:42 PM
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No, if you think it's a pure question of "it should be me" without any consideration of the commitment aspect then you don't understand it. It's degrading when women I'm not interested in are doing it too, it's not just sour grapes even if that's one aspect of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:45 PM
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Whether it's sex specific isn't really relevant since most men who are looking for a wife and are complaining about hookup culture have 0-1 past partners
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:38 PM
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Then you have a very poor understanding of the psychology behind the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:34 PM
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You realize that not everyone pays the same amount of taxes right? Men are a net positive tax gain and women are a net negative tax expense. See the chart on page 17 of https://www.roiw.org/2016/n3/7.pdf. Men were fine with this when people tended to form families but in a world where men are carrying the tax burden for welfare that is going to sustain a messed up society that hates them and does not benefit them it should be obvious why we're seeing what we're seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:30 PM
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Ironically the world did work the way the blue pillers think, back when society had a more traditional social structure. The red pill is literally a direct adaptation to feminism and sexual liberation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:18 PM
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Basketball...? Brother please consider the historical evolutionary significance of sex, remember that reliable birth control is a brand new invention that did not exist when humans formed their instincts
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:12 PM
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Usually this means "women should lower their standards for superficial things like height and money, and raise their standards for meaningful things like character traits and values" which is perfectly consistent with the comment you're replying to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:11 PM
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Research lends some credence to the first point but really I think what people react to is not the absolute number of partners but the type of them. If you had 5 relationships that each lasted 2 years I don't think most people would find that concerning, but pretty much any amount of casual sex or very short/on-and-off relationships are red flags
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:07 PM
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I know you're joking but it's degrading because she did it with a man who was not interested in committing to her. I don't think anyone thinks it's degrading for a woman to have sex with her boyfriend or husband
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:03 PM
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It's both sexes, everyone is becoming more selfish and atomized and it makes me unspeakably sad that so many people are going to discover at age 40 that they wished they could have just had a stable marriage and a family rather than partying and chasing casual sex and stuff. The dating pool is already small enough as it is without half of the people being damaged by modern social behavior and risky to trust with helping raise your children
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:52 PM
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You have an incredibly nihilistic and cynical worldview, and you're projecting it onto others. Society should not "reward" "good men" with "pussy." Society should be structured so that everyone strives to be a good person, and people should meet a good person of the opposite sex that will be a good husband/wife/father/mother and form a happy family together and raise kids who are even better people than yourselves. That's how life worked for the last several thousand years of western civilizatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:11 AM
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Idk if you're talking about some special definition of the word "tradwife" but the traditional housewife wants to be a mother and have a happy family with healthy kids who grow up into something she's proud of. If that's what you want out of life, then a traditional family structure is about the most optimal approach to get it. It just seems strange to people these days because they are more concerned with themselves than having kids
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:32 AM
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I never understood this, sexual compatibility is something that you develop together as a couple. Like how do you think virgin married couples work, it's not as if they're just stuck with what they get, they are flexible and learn each other's bodies through communication and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:19 AM
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This implies you did it once, I think he is asking more about the women who do it a bunch (unless you're saying you didn't learn after one time)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:17 AM
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I'm not a red piller so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:18 AM
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Idk I had a girlfriend all throughout middle and high school who loved me for my character so I thought that was normal. I didn't pay attention to what other women were doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:15 AM
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No, they thought they would get a wife and are finding that their female peers are having casual sex rather than looking for a husband. Are you being intentionally obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:14 AM
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It's not an expectation of a reward, it's a breakdown of the social contract. Having good character for good character's sake is something we encourage because it makes society a better place. But when society stops reinforcing those traits in people or even disadvantages them, people will stop striving for them. The red pill is literally just men discovering that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:02 AM
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I never implied that women were a "reward" for anything. Good character and constructive social behavior is reciprocal and benefits everyone. The fact that some people no longer select for those traits in partners/friends/politicians/etc. is a legitimate problem that has societal consequences and I find it strange that you're trying to spin a plainly positive idea into something sinister
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:55 PM
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No, the men complaining are mostly the ones complaining that superficial hookup culture has changed how women select partners. Some of those wish they were having casual sex, most just want a girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:47 PM
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Your response to my critique that society is discouraging good character is to say I'm a bad person for seeing that as a problem? That's a remarkably destructive mindset to approach civics from, wow
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:38 PM
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Idk about sex but it's a prerequisite to finding a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:41 PM
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Well yeah men were never raised to think casual sex was a goal, it's a small minority of men that are doing that. OP is talking about getting relationships, not whoring around
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:38 PM
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I don't actually believe that everyone actually wants that. I think a lot of guys like the idea of it but I think if presented with the opportunity most would rather just have a girlfriend. It's a minority that just want sex for the sake of validation and pleasure. Most men date to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:21 PM
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Our mothers and fathers absolutely raised us emphasizing that good moral character was necessary to find a good woman someday. They would have been right in the past but not in this modern world where women's sexual selection process has become so degenerate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:05 PM
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I agree that it should be the "bare minimum" in society but it demonstrably isn't, not by a long shot. So I can see why it makes men who are that way very angry when their best traits are no longer valued. I agree with most everything else you're saying but women are just as complicit by actually engaging in casual sex that makes the porn stuff not just a fantasy but something that other people are getting irl if they're hot enough for women to have casual sex with them. If women refused to have…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:20 PM
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You can't make this statement without at least mentioning that this is a brand new phenomenon, and that historically women have always been more conservative than men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:27 AM
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It's because it's flatly in conflict with the whole political correctness ideology. For those of us 30 and below, we were brought up through an industrialized indoctrination machine of an education system that hammered into us from kindergarten forward that everyone is equally valuable, everyone belongs, we should strive for an egalitarian world, we shouldn't judge people by their immutable traits or appearance, etc. Come to discover that actually this was all a lie and the world is a cutthroat …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:26 AM
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Yes, and where did that lack of war and economic prosperity come from? It came from building a society where every man can start a family and dedicate his life to it, rather than being idle and disaffected with the broader society and forming dissident groups and causing problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:54 PM
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You're conflating several things. Traditional social roles predate the capitalistic "buying products" you're talking about. The forces that keep us buying products are the same ones that promote social media and sexual liberation and all of these arguably unhealthy changes to modern society. Striving to be a good wife and mother is not something that Jeff Bezos invented, it's a foundational pillar of Western culture that's thousands of years old. The irony is that the entire possibility for femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:10 AM
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I hope you're right but I suspect the percentage of women who have had casual sex is large enough that is definitely throws off the balance between men and women's standards
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:07 AM
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I agree that the ones who benefit from women sleeping around are men. It would be heartening if what you're saying is true, but it seems to me that casual sex is more common than you might think. It would be good if women were just doing what guys are doing (the things you listed)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:40 AM
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Nah, men don't care about women being able to get it, everyone knows women are the choosers. It's specifically the societal encouragement/tolerance of them actually doing it that makes men frustrated. Even if it's a minority it's enough of them to create an imbalance between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:58 PM
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I agree but at the same time I feel like this contributes an additional place for the debate to start from. It challenges the view of people who disagree with OP. Are debate threads purely to debate OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 05:40 PM
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No, why would you assume that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 05:38 PM
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Most deeper fetishes like these are formed from an existing complex that transforms into something sexual at puberty for reasons nobody quite understands.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 08:32 AM
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This is exactly the state I'm in too. It's terrifying to think that it's possible I won't be able to have as high quality a relationship as my parents and that my kids will just be a regression to the mean. I just haven't met any women that seem like good candidates
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 08:26 AM
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Nah, they can get married and produce all the attractive kids they like. Then the attractive guy will be forced to commit to his wife and family rather than using and discarding them like a red piller
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:11 PM
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Can you provide a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:41 PM
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Your inability to accept that as a possibility tells me that you probably aren't very successful yourself. Believe it or not not every man wants casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:36 PM
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That's fine, like I said those people will live their lives as they see fit and then be removed from the gene pool, whereas family oriented people will proliferate
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:32 PM
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Yes I know, it means couples are at high risk of pregnancy. But STIs are a non issue because couples are only having sex with each other
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:15 PM
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Who would be forcing the women in this situation? They can choose to not get pregnant if they want
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:13 PM
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That's fine, that's your prerogative. But historical data shows that at a societal level there will be way more reproduction even if some individuals select themselves out of the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:48 PM
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No idea where I said women should marry unattractive men, they just won't marry the most attractive men. They're already not doing that, but they're allowing themselves to be played by them as they try to pin one down by offering their bodies, not knowing that doing so disqualifies them as serious partners to him. Then they end up with baggage etc. and everyone is worse off
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:46 PM
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Maybe for a generation, but then equilibrium would return
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:45 PM
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I'm talking about STIs. STIs are a result of deciding to have sex outside of a relationship which people wouldn't do much anyways due to the pregnancy risk
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:40 PM
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What you're saying might sound like a good argument but it's not supported by history. Birthrates plummeted as soon as the pill was introduced and has never recovered. It's lower now than it was during the great depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:37 PM
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I'm "successful" insofar as I get propositioned by women now and then but don't take any of them because I don't believe in casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:34 PM
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Yes, what societal benefit does having lots of consequence-free sex have apart from being pleasurable? What utility does it serve?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:32 PM
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I'm not opposed to prescriptions being available for those kinds of needs
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:31 PM
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Oral? Fingering? Intercrural? Dry humping? Idk as a teen my gf and I didn't have access to contraception but still got busy every time we hung out
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:06 AM
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In my first relationship as a kid we didn't have access to contraception but had no trouble finding ways to get busy without risk of pregnancy. This is just an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:05 AM
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I'm personally upset in the sense that I weep for the nation I inherited in the moment that it began to crumble as a result of this social dislocation. And the fact that most of the women interested in me just want casual sex rather than marriage and kids
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:04 AM
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The male loneliness epidemic is a misnomer. Most men aren't lonely for platonic friends, most have a few friends they play games with etc. The real anguish being experienced by men these days is that they were raised to be good fathers and husbands and they reach adulthood and discover that the world they were raised for no longer exists, and that women no longer want husbands and families because they can use casual sex as a hedonistic substitute for relationships. If we don't figure out how to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:02 AM
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No, I suggested this route specifically because it didn't remove any agency from individuals, which a "state mandated girlfriend" absolutely does. And not all women will pick the right guy, if she's reckless and wants to become a single mother of her own volition then so be it. But I think most women would want a stable marriage and a partner to support them so they would choose right of their own accord.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 07:58 AM
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You honestly think society is on the right track right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 07:54 AM
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It's great from a hedonistic point of view. The question is: hypothetically, if contraception is causing society to head towards ruin, is that hedonistic use of it worth it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:37 AM
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I don't understand why contraception is uniquely beneficial to women. It's beneficial to couples in general, both the man and woman. How it is uniquely harming women to not have access to it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:22 AM
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I'm not trying to suppress it at all, I'm trying to get them to use it. Right now they select for degenerates who happen to be physically attractive but would not be suitable fathers. Just because some people wish they could marry a model, but that's not how life works. This sounds like main character syndrome with no regard for what produces a stable society that lasts for thousands of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:19 AM
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Yes, because it creates an incentive structure that causes women to select men whose traits are conducive to a trusting, healthy, civil society, and for men to strive to reach that standard. Are you suggesting that the modern "red pill" man is the kind of man we want to reproduce?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:10 AM
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Not sure what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:08 AM
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Because what I want them to select for is ultimately aligned with their own interests (picking a man who won't abandon her and will be a good father for their children). I guess some of them might still go for promiscuous men and will just be part of a harem or polygamous relationship but I am pretty sure most women will just want to find a good and dedicated man
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:07 AM
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It wouldn't be prescribed for casual sex though. I don't really care about male reproductive safety because that's only an issue for people who have casual sex, not people who have sex with a life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:05 AM
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They will become more selective for traits that men can control, rather than ones they can't. They'll always pick more attractive/tall/etc men within their options but their options will be bounded by the men they can actually trust as husbands rather than living in a fantasy land where they let themselves be played by men that are out of their league and don't respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:02 AM
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Even if that's true (which I don't think it is as much as you think), I don't see what it matters. Men can't have sex because women won't have them, women can't have sex because they can't find a man dependable enough to trust for it. That seems pretty fair, and was how things worked for most of the history of our civilization
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:53 AM
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They can get a prescription then
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:49 AM
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It will create a restorative force to cause people to form stable relationships again instead of using casual sex as a surrogate for real intimacy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:48 AM
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It used to be, but we decided that it came with societal costs that outweighed the benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:22 AM
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No idea where you got the idea that I'm "crying," we're trying to have a constructive debate about political philosophy here and you're bringing this 3rd grade bullshit? Good day
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 01:31 AM
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Can you explain what natural law stipulates that humans shall not be denied access to contraception? Or is this just a "waaah I want to do whatever I want" kind of "rights?" I already don't have sex with women I wouldn't be prepared to raise a child with so I'm not sure what you're saying at the end
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 01:26 AM
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It's not oppressing women, if it's oppression it's oppressing everyone equally
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 01:18 AM
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Good, that's the point
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 01:07 AM
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I'm confused, you think I'm a red piller? I've passed up multiple propositions for casual sex from women, I am only interested in sex within relationships. The red pill is a degenerate reaction to the broader degenerate culture
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 01:06 AM
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Antisocial as in bad for society, like the traits that red pill ideology promotes (and women fall for). Narcissism, psychopathy, flakiness, avoidant attachment styles, etc. All the bad behavior that characterizes modern dating
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:40 AM
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If a minority of particularly reckless people end up that way (which they will) it would still be worth it to return the core of society to a model that will prevent the further decay of society. There will always be a minority of people who reproduce antisocial traits but it didn't used to be the majority
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:35 AM
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Maybe at first. Then everyone will adapt to it and we'll return to the social structure we had in the past where people weren't so lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:21 AM
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That's a remarkably compelling argument, thanks for your contribution
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:20 AM
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It's a young generation loneliness epidemic but men are particularly upset because some of the lonely young women use casual sex as a vice to attempt to fill that void rather than looking for romance, or just being celibate like men are
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:14 AM
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It's not restricting anyone's rights, there's no right to have access to certain products that aren't necessary for survival, certainly not one guaranteed by the constitution. And frankly it's really not to make certain men feel better as the RPers and incels will be screwed by this. But it will reorient dating towards marriage and healthy families rather than creating incentives to reproduce antisocial behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:03 AM
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No, the woman is responsible for conceiving the child so she would be fully responsible for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:52 PM
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The government wouldn't support children born out of wedlock, I'm not sure why they'd provide a financial incentive for that behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:47 PM
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You can associate with anyone you want. You just have to deal with the consequences for having sex with them. And if we assume hypothetically that sex dynamics are a causal factor of modern social problems then yes they would be very comparable issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:33 PM
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Yes, women won't have sex with men who wouldn't make good fathers, which creates a huge social pressure for men to be good prospective fathers if they want a partner. Then it's just up to the women whether they like a guy enough to have kids with him or if she just wants to remain celibate. There's no reason she'd end up marrying an undesirable guy unless she decided to sleep with one of her own volition
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:29 PM
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If making heroin illegal is your standard of oppression then yes this is oppression too, although I'm not sure if that's a very strong argument since most every nation agrees to ban heroin
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:27 PM
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In the context of discussions of societal problems, it is actually. Compare your statement with "it's not your concern whether other people want to be addicted to heroin and be junkies"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:26 PM
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It's how our ancestors did things for thousands of years until very recently so I'm not sure why it's so unthinkable. You can have sex, you just need to time it right and be prepared for the possibility of having another kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:25 PM
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I'm not assuming they will. They can do all those things to their heart's desire but it will still create a positive pressure on society to tend towards the desired behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:14 PM
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It's not making anyone do anything. Is banning heroin oppression because it prevents people from getting high?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:13 PM
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Attraction is a very flexible thing. Personally over half of women I find attractive enough to get with provided their character is good enough for me to fall in love with. Physical attraction is greatly enhanced by love.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:05 PM
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That's fine, if they want to be single moms they can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:03 PM
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Yes, or pick methods that don't cause babies
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:03 PM
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Being a steadfast, virtuous, emotionally unflappable man who places high value on family and passing down his heritage and skills to his children. This kind of man is severely undervalued by society but they are the ones that actually raise healthy and emotionally stable children that make civilization possible. The incentive structure of modern society (not just in dating, in all sorts of ways) rewards narcissistic traits and in particular the sexual selection of those traits is causing a snowb…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:01 PM
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There are plenty of ways to please each other sexually without risk of pregnancy. Yes, if you don't want to have kids then don't do the babymaking ritual. I don't understand why that's confusing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:51 PM
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That's fine. Women can be free to work or do whatever, but if they want to have sex they'll need to pick men based on their character and dependability rather than whoever looks the most like an Instagram model. Over time people will grow to be more attracted to those traits of traditional masculinity rather than just looking hot and being anxious-avoidant and narcissistic
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:41 PM
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Yes, I want women to pick partners based on who is likely to stay with her and raise her kids rather than whoever is the most hedonistic lay. That is a constructive selection pressure to apply to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:40 PM
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That's a good thing, I'm not sure why you think that is contrary to my point. By reuniting sex with its biological and social significance it fixes the disordered social behaviors around relationships. Women would pick men based on being good fathers, and there would be a pressure for men to rise to that standard. Casual sex does not solve loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:37 PM
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Rape is an incredibly small fraction of abortions, it's basically negligible. You could simply have exceptions that allow abortion in cases of rape and incest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:36 PM
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What about it is vile?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:35 PM
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It's not oppressive, it's just removing an option that people have. Making fornication illegal would be oppressive, banning contraception is not. Also I'm not in favor of poor unwanted kids either but the number of kids born out of wedlock today has only increased over time so contraception certainly hasn't reduced the number
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:35 PM
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Any statement that suggests a population "should" do something is basically a non-statement. At a population level, sociological phenomena are basically deterministic. If you want to change population scale behaviors, you generally have to change the pressures that create them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:28 PM
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You don't need oppression to stop people from having sex, you could simply ban contraceptives and abortion and the incentive structure for relationships would change overnight without any oppression at all
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:59 PM
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Banning contraception would immediately and drastically impact how people engage with relationships since sexual relationships would have to be chosen based on reproductive merit rather than superficial traits. Almost nobody would be in favor of it but it would immediately fix a huge swath of the social issues that have arisen over the last 60 years
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:57 PM
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The kind of women doing sex work are not going to be able to land a wealthy man unless he's some new money "hookers and blow" type of fool who will soon be parted from his money. A wealthy man is looking for a loyal and virtuous wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 11:42 PM
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Idk about red pill, I'm just looking for a woman who matches my values about sex. Someone who sees sex as something casual is not compatible with me and now how I want my children raised. The issue is it's easy for men to hold onto this value since casual sex is not as available to them, and conversely it's easy for women to drop this value in the face of the temptation of casual sex as a vice (since it's very available to them). This is (and will continue to) drive a major divide between the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:33 PM
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It wouldn't be an issue if it were just a few, the issue is that dating apps have coaxed a huge number of women into that lifestyle which is threatening to men who don't have access to it (or don't have interest in it) and feel like they're going to end up in a situation where the only women left are ones who have "had their fun" and are now settling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:30 PM
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Women on average only have "basic human decency" to offer (at best) too, but 70 years ago these average people would all pair off. Now social media and sexual liberation have disrupted the dating marketplace and everyone wants to hedonistically exercise their unlimited options and then we wonder why society is breaking down
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:15 PM
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The fuck? Who said anything about rape? How is that comparable to discussing the voluntary choice of deciding to have children with someone you judge to be a good father?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 06:56 PM
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I don't, I blame their fathers for not raising them right. But the cascade of responsibility keeps going downhill and women happen to have a ton of power in their hands to fix it, unlikely as that may be. I don't know what the solution is otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:53 PM
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You're right I guess expecting women to choose better isn't any more likely to happen than deadbeat guys deciding to not be deadbeats. Both are starved of role models that could teach them to do that. But I'm not sure what the solution is then
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:20 PM
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Sort of, men do whatever they think optimizes their chances of getting a girlfriend so the power to bootstrap society back into a state of responsible child rearing is held by women's selection criteria. It's not the only way men could be fixed, just the least oppressive one. Societies of the past solved this by having the father select his daughter's husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:15 PM
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Women are the ones who select who gets to have children. Of course deadbeats should be bullied into doing their job on an individual level but the societal pressure for them to be responsible fathers ultimately comes from women's selective pressure (if you aren't good father material, you don't get a girlfriend). Either that or we go back to the days when the father selects his daughter's husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:10 PM
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They should be, obviously. But if women are selecting someone who ends up being a deadbeat when someone who wouldn't have been ends up staying single and not having kids, society is failing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:07 PM
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Everyone should care about single moms because children who grow up without a father are often mentally dysregulated and become criminals or selfish deadbeats or whatever, it's in the direct interest of everyone in our society to care about preventing that from happening. Not that it's always the mom's fault, people get widowed and stuff, but the single motherhood by choice or carelessness is a huge threat to the structure of society. Humanity figured out that forcing people to raise their child…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:56 PM
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I do shame men for casual sex, you're mistaking me for someone else. And I did have a relationship in high school, actually even before then. It didn't progress to sex until we had been together for over 2 years. I agree that men trick women into sex, but I'm not calling "buying you ice cream twice and asking for nudes" romance, I'm talking about becoming best friends and your lives becoming intertwined over time, meeting each others' families, etc. People rush to sex long before the signs of tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:28 PM
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This is only an issue if you have sex before you've defined the relationship, but I guess if you're going to do that then yes it becomes super ambiguous
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 12:17 AM
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Why is monogamy uniquely absolved from assumptions about what one would normally expect from a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:14 PM
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The sex is the crucial detail. I (and most others) have no issue with people getting to know multiple suitors and pruning them as you make your selection. That's a perfectly normal part of partner selection. It's introducing sex at this point that is ridiculously disrespectful and indicates a huge lack of empathy. And somehow we've normalized that behavior as the default and make normal people need to explicitly demand their partner not do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:07 PM
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When someone displays romantic interest in someone, it's assumed they are interested in starting a relationship. If that relationship does start, it's assumed to be exclusive since any rational person would know that sleeping with someone other than your romantic partner is a violation of your partnership. Yes, I understand that these days you have to be a lawyer and get everything in writing because people will do shitty stuff if you haven't explicitly commanded them to not do that, but this is…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:25 PM
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Society cannot work if everyone is permitted to act in the worst way possible until someone has explicitly told them they can't do that specific thing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:16 PM
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If I were secretly going around committing bank robberies and doing drugs and gang banging, I can just pull the "we didn't discuss it" card? How would I know that she wouldn't be ok with that behavior? If only there were some mechanism by which I could mentally put myself in my partner's shoes and estimate how they would feel about something...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:02 PM
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It's not that they should lower their standards, it's that the proliferation of contraceptives and abortion and the "sexual revolution" have majorly shifted women's partner selection from a process of finding the best father for children, to finding the hottest and most exciting lay without any thought into the long term. Men will confirm to whatever women's selection criteria are, which these days is the "red pill" stuff. Women need to raise their standards, not lower them. The issue is that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:55 PM
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I refuse to believe that there aren't at least some women out there who aren't so damaged
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:48 PM
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It's not worth arguing with these people, they will always be able to invent some imagined situation where it seems acceptable. Anyone who is even remotely socialized knows when it would hurt their partner but they justify it by saying maybe the other person is sleeping around too
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:44 PM
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Those are learned traits. It would be better if we encouraged everyone to be better and then let them pass their culture to the next generation rather than let everyone be horrible and then say thank god our society is dying out
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:50 PM
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I agree, selection is a good thing. The problem is that women stopped selecting for traits that make for a stronger and healthier next generation, and now select for traits that cause deadbeat dads and societal breakdown. Men will basically mold themselves to whatever they think women want them to be, in order to fulfill their reproductive instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:48 PM
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There's a trivial solution to that which women somehow forgot about: don't let him have sex with you until he has proven his commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:46 PM
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The difference is that women are the gatekeepers of reproduction so their standards are critically important for the health of the next generation. Men who engage in poor partner selection just don't get to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:45 PM
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3rd date seems very fast to me, you barely know someone let alone know you want to commit to them for the long haul. But I was more referring to the fact that someone who has a double digit number of bodies is not being very selective with their partners and is just going casually off of vibes and physical attraction rather than values and culture and viability as a wife
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:07 PM
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It's not about number. If she has had 7 year-long relationships I would doubt her ability to choose and stay in a good relationship but if it seemed like a good match. But if she has a history of casual sex she's not marriage material so I would not be interested in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 06:45 PM
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If you date casually maybe. Not someone who dates to marry
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 06:42 PM
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The concept of doing anything at the cost of oneself is completely unimaginable to people these days even for something obvious like sacrificing for your family. The next generation is screwed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:34 PM
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Am I wrong to want society to find a balance between those two outcomes? It's really quite predictable that the cycle will continue without an intentional attempt to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:00 AM
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Enjoy your Weimar republic while it lasts I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:12 AM
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What you are seeing is a result of the artificial removal of pregnancy from the equation. The foundation of western society includes the understanding that monogamy is essential for men to be pacified into participating in civil society, so that they have a stake in the game in the form of their own biological children. If men can't be convinced that it's worthwhile to put their labor into the betterment of society then they will destroy it and rule it with an iron fist, as has happened many tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:09 AM
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Most people are impressionable and don't have super strong personal principles. When some vice like casual sex becomes commonplace and accepted in society there is a social pressure for women to try it even if they wouldn't have sought it out. It would be like if doing heroin was accepted and something that everyone tried at least once or twice. Shocker, there would be a huge number of people damaged by it. Only people who have deep moral convictions about it will resist the social acceptance to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:40 AM
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Maybe not in your world view, but in mine it indicates that someone either doesn't consider or knowingly ignores those consequences which is not a trait I'm ok with passing onto my children.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:54 PM
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There's no such thing as being smart about it since it exposes you to permanent diseases even if you wear protection, it exposes you to the possibility of assault, and it causes social decay by allowing people to avoid the responsibility of picking high quality partners who would be a good parent to their children, thereby reproducing bad cultural traits and selfish behavior. The red pill garbage is a direct reaction to this phenomenon, where people realized that men with shitty behavior were ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:01 PM
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What? I have a very high sex drive and a number of deeply wired fetishes and am relatively kinky. I need to jerk off 3x a day to keep my urges in check when I'm not in a relationship. I just don't believe in having sex with someone other than a prospective life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:55 PM
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We do though. Society is built on a set of norms that dictate what behavior is acceptable for the benefit of society. I'm not saying that you have to make the physical act of casual sex illegal, it just needs to be culturally unacceptable. People who absolutely cannot resist having casual sex can still do it, we just can't allow our children to be taught that it's ok. The reality is that many people just go along with whatever society deems acceptable, and by making vices like that socially acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:50 PM
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It's an extreme example to make a point about the notion that just because someone's actions only immediately impact themselves, somehow others are forbidden from passing judgement about it. That would make sense if each individual lived in isolation, but we live in a society. That pattern of behavior is directly feeding the loop that causes the red pill garbage. The process has to be arrested at multiple points, you can't stop one side and let the other have its cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:47 PM
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It's not genetic, it's cultural. Your children are likely to grow up to act like you and your spouse which is why selecting a partner based on whether you'd be proud of your children growing up to be like them is such a powerful metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:59 AM
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Because like most people, men are invested in the future of society so it's natural to question patterns of behavior that appear potentially harmful, especially if they are propagated socially. If there were a tiktok trend where women were encouraged to cut their leg off to own the patriarchy, would you question whether that's a good thing or not? If you would, then you agree that we all are entitled to question or even arbitrate what constitutes a good explanation for what women choose to do wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:02 AM
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Why don't we just shame everyone for being promiscuous rather than allowing women to become as shitty as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:56 AM
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It's the same with anything, people who are more permissive about something are able to tolerate people who are less permissive about it, but not vice versa. If you like your house cleaner than I do, I'll be able to tolerate you but you won't be able to tolerate me. If you have a past that indicates a mismatch in values about how serious sexual intimacy is, you will be able to tolerate me but I won't be able to tolerate you. Not wanting a promiscuous partner isn't just about the risk of them bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:54 AM
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Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings onto others but the reason men these days are so frustrated with women is in many cases because we were raised by great and virtuous and family focused women who gave us great role models and an upbringing we can only hope to provide for our own children. To see society push women of our generation away from the traditional mold and into disordered or immoral behaviors is heartbreaking and scary because it is removing women from the pool of prospective wives …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:46 PM
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These are probably people who have only had sex in casual relationships or something, I can't imagine how anyone who has had sex in a real loving relationship could ever come to this conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:32 PM
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We are not "using" each other, we are sharing an experience together. Marital sex is the highest virtue in our natural hierarchy of values, partaking in the pinnacle act of human emotion together is not being "used."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:31 PM
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You're thinking of boys, not men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:13 AM
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This is absolutely correct
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:00 AM
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Children from a healthy two parent household are the most likely to be emotionally stable and in control of their actions. Any act that compromises the integrity of the marriage like infidelity or gambling or whatever should be seen as a threat to the future of the country
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:12 AM
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The most charitable interpretation of this statement is that people in general who don't have many options are likely to want to go directly into being settled down, and the vast majority of men have no options while the majority of women have many, or at least the illusion of many
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:39 AM
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I very much hope you're right, that would give me hope for the future
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:37 AM
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I'm not avoiding that, capitalism is the primary driver not only of the destruction of healthy families but also the push for women in the workplace and DEI stuff in general. That's the real red pill that neither side is ready to swallow yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:41 AM
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I've passed up multiple hook up opportunities because it's not my style. Now I'm just afraid that in today's society I won't be able to find a woman who holds the same values.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:47 PM
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Society has been structured with the primary goal of ensuring most everyone is able to partner off and have kids if they want to for thousands of years because a society where that guarantee is out of balance is destined to fall apart, as ours is beginning to
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:44 PM
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They don't though, misogynistic men are the same ones that average men complain are getting laid on dating apps. Women aren't able to see through the cherade for some reason, or they don't actually care about misogyny after all
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:43 PM
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The breakdown of society that we're witnessing now had started by then, you have to look back further to see the equilibrium state of society
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:36 PM
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That's legitimately heartening if true, if the dating crisis is because women are just focusing on themselves and waiting for a high quality partner to pass the bar, that's an ideal situation for men to grow to meet that bar. It seems like a lot of women are using casual sex as a proxy for relationships though, which will have the exact opposite effect on society
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:33 PM
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Awful or not, those traits are more or less indelible in humans so trying to suppress them is just going to damage the social fabric (as has already happened)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:34 AM
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Most of the things in this list are flaws that arise from emotional dysregulation mixed with competition and manipulativenss. Women are the sex that generally has more intense emotions and uses emotion and deceit as a tool for manipulating others (e.g. the way women are friendly face to face but talk badly about each other behind their backs). Men's equivalent of these pathological behaviors are using physical intimidation, being either emotionally disconnected (psychopathy) or angry, and excess…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:33 AM
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I don't believe that. But most people are holed up at home now that a lot of society has withered and died post-pandemic, and with people clinging onto their work. So for men who spend most of their time working with other men and then going home to live by themselves or their male roommates or with their parents, one of the main prospects for meeting new people is dating apps where this horrid culture exists. Especially for people who are more traditional and don't really jive with partying and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:50 PM
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Yes, this phenomenon is ubiquitous on dating apps like tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 06:52 PM
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Unfortunately men are no more likely to collectively choose lifelong singlehood over marrying ex-whores than women are to learn how to recognize when a man just wants her pussy and isn't interested in marrying her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:32 AM
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She doesn't risk it though, contraception and abortion allow them to put it out of their minds entirely. If contraception and abortion didn't exist this issue would instantly go away because women's partner selection criterion would heavily weigh how likely the man is to stick around and help raise their children. The fact that that pressure is removed is possibly the main reason for this whole mess we're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:29 AM
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It's fine to have an ideal, the issue is that in the modern "liberated" dating scene it is socially acceptable for men who meet those physical ideals to use countless women for sex without any intention of actually marrying them, so the women actually go date those ideal partners and sleep with them to try and win them over. Then those women try to "settle" for other men who are more reliable but less physically attractive and charismatic, and with their warped perceptions the women are unhappy …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:24 AM
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Their partner isn't "assigned," they literally pick one just as usual. I don't know where in my line of comment you read that women would be "assigned" a partner, the point is that they are able to actually pick a partner for real rather than this dance of sleeping around with dudes that have no intention of marrying them and then "settling" for someone else when she realizes that the "choice" she had was an illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:20 AM
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Not an incel; tried the casual stuff once and hated it, just egregiously incompatible with my values about how relationships should work. I'll stick to loving long term relationships thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 03:45 PM
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They were never "forced" to date anyone, it's just that the notion of dating was more structured so that there wasn't an option of people sleeping around. If someone wanted a relationship, they had to date someone who was actually single (not "single" and having casual sex) rather than forming harems around players. They were basically in the same position that men were in rather than being allowed to chase after (and be led on by) their dream dude
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 03:42 PM
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These sorts of preferences would previously not really be consequential, but in a world where society encourages women to be effectively polygamous for casual sex with a small minority of men online, it becomes threatening because you are basically spoiling women who would otherwise have been perfectly decent long term partners if they hadn't had that opportunity. In the past women might want these things but the reality is that they likely couldn't have them, and would instead just get with a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:44 AM
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You misunderstand, I mean if the system doesn't return to the traditional state via natural means, society is going to fall apart and it's going to happen through much more chaotic means. We're all dependent on each other for survival, humans are a pack animal. Recently women have chosen to depend on corporations and the government for survival instead of men, or at least the system has decided to coerce women into depending on those things rather than their own families. 3rd wave feminism is mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:14 AM
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Yes men have always been in those positions, but they used to be appreciated by women much more when society was structured around families. Now that that structure has been destroyed men are not only disposable and economically deprived, they are also socially deprived now that women can sleep around and get scholarships and preferential hiring to get access to the resources they used to rely on men for, and now look down on most men. Imo the system is starting to fix itself now but if it doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 11:02 PM
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My theory is that these bad behaviors of both are being intentionally or at least incidentally weaponized by external forces, either to intentionally sow social discord or at least to exploit people for labor (fewer families, more workers in the short term) or directly as products (dating apps). It's not directly either men nor women's fault
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:29 AM
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The issue is that men used to have a clear place and esteem in society to offset being considered disposable. Society has erased the former but the disposability of men is essentially biologically innate in humans so there is now an imbalance in the social worth of men that is never going to go away and is already causing issues. Now we're still expected to do the dirty and dangerous jobs and be a provider (hypergamy etc) all while society is being intentionally balanced against us to "level the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:16 AM
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People use "nuclear family" as a buzzword because they're afraid to say "traditional family" without getting labeled a certain way, but the latter is what they mean
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:18 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that you apparently missed out on having a strong and tight knit family and have thus never seen how fun and rewarding and central it is supposed to be to one's life... men and women alike. Raising a family is what life is about. And women have an immense amount of power in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 05:06 PM
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What? It does. If men stopped accepting promiscuous women trying to settle for them, there would suddenly be a cultural pressure for women to start acting more mature
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 05:00 PM
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Everyone is oppressed. Men spend their whole life working away from home to feed their family, the difference in the modern world is that corporations have convinced women that it's more rewarding to give your life to a corporation rather than finding meaning in raising a family so now everyone is just a wage slave to capitalism and if they do have kids, they're not even raised by the parents. Women relinquished their power over the family by making themselves equal to men. Promiscuity is just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 04:58 PM
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Society worldwide is swinging hard back into traditionalism. I'd say A) is maybe 15-20% of the way complete. If people turn hard against capitalism and corporations, A) could come about very quickly with those forces out of the way since they are some of the primary drivers of 3rd wave feminism. It's not going to be pretty, but society was set up to maximize people's odds of pairing off for thousands of years and now that we've upset that balance it's going to be an uncomfortable backswing to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 07:38 AM
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They do though, reproduction is literally our highest evolutionary instinct. Our entire society used to be centered around ensuring that most people generally had a good shot at getting married and producing children in order to keep everyone happy. While men were not paying attention, that system at least seems to have been thrown out and now many are facing the possibility of not being able to have kids. I'm guessing this dislocation is going to cause major issues in the next 5-10 years. If wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 07:30 AM
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Capitalism is the force that's driving this change, people finding their meaning in strong families and tradition is a nightmare scenario for the hypercapitalists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:07 AM
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I'm implying that human nature is indelible and when society strays too far from its equilibrium state, things get messy and go through a feverish reset. We're seeing the start of it now. People are realizing that the social order that was sold to them is a corrupt product of late stage capitalism and it's at risk of being torn down
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 10:17 PM
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For the present maybe. But this sort of thing has happened multiple times historically, and it's never pretty. Last time it happened was called the Weimar republic, guess what followed... but I suppose it's not realistic to expect humanity to ever learn
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 02:33 AM
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You can't throw biology out the window no, but culture can absolutely affect it and right now the culture shames women who have traditional values about sex and glorifies and encourages promiscuity, and dating apps are designed to suck women into the vice of infinite sexual choice. I don't think any of that is human nature. We are an adaptable species, it doesn't strike me as impossible for people to change their mating strategy on the fly as circumstances dictate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:02 AM
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I don't think the current situation is purely biology. Women's instinct to choose men who are reliable as mates has been overriden by the existence of birth control and social pressure to be "sexually liberated", so you're seeing the next line of instinctive drive (chasing sex just like men do, but now without the natural inhibition)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 11:22 PM
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This is a biological fact, it's ubiquitous not only in humans but in most species of animals. Denying it is absurd. Birth control and social pressure has just suppressed this instinct in people
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 11:16 PM
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You're forgetting the part that this guardedness about sex evolved before birth control when women had to pick men who were not only capable but could also be relied upon to father her children. That instinct has been programmed out of most women these days
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 11:12 PM
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Turns out the social structure that we've thrown out over the last 30 years was evolved to solve this problem and now it's gone. Whoops
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 11:07 PM
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Men need to be physically fit and economically stable to provide for a family all while having all the personal traits that make them a person worth dating. Women have endless options and don't even need to fulfill their evolutionary role as gatekeepers of reproduction since birth control means they can have their cake (as much sex as they want with the most attractive men) and eat it too (still getting to choose who they settle down with) and since men are desperate they aren't even able to rej…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:07 PM
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Great analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:03 PM
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Yes of course, it's not all or nothing. But on the r-K spectrum of sexual selection humans are about as far to the K side as it gets compared to other species. The fact that there are exceptions or some individuals that compete by going for a higher volume reproductive strategy does not change this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:59 AM
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Sex results in babies. The fact that contraception changed this 50 years ago is basically irrelevant from the standpoint of our 100,000 year old evolutionary reproductive roles. That is why traditionally commitment has been a prerequisites to sex, for thousands of years. But if women want men to continue being shitty partners then they can continue buying into the modern myth that sex is no more significant than masturbation, by all means.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:12 PM
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I wouldn't say the father plays a more important role. The father plays a very important (arguably essential) role, but the mother's role is essential too. Parenting is an insanely important and essential pillar of humanity that is way way undervalued in modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:54 AM
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Like you said, they're lying to get sex, even playing the long con. But at some point the con will run out of steam. I won't go so far as to say women should refuse sex before marriage but something along those lines immediately solves this problem because men will filter themselves out if they can tell they're not getting sex as easily as they thought. The odds of a manipulative guy sticking around for an extended period (say, 9 months) in an exclusive romantic relationship (not just perpetual …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:41 AM
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Women are the gatekeepers of reproduction, so the bar is wherever they set it. If women are willing to have sex with men before they're in a committed relationship then many men will take advantage of it. If they aren't, the men that aren't marriage material will filter themselves out and the problem will go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:14 AM
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I don't find someone fuckable unless they have the qualities needed for commitment, call me old fashioned. Unfortunately that also excludes promiscuous women from my dating pool which limits options substantially.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:07 AM
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It doesn't matter how rare it is, the ramifications for accusing someone of sexual harassment these days are life-destroying and therefore should be considered an extremely serious thing to levy that charge against someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:02 AM
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Almost exactly the same here. To me this is just "normal" but it seems like it's super rare to find somehow. Add my other important "satisfied with simple living" and that narrows it down to a tiny minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:48 AM
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This duty sex thing is a fiction. People being prude in the past is a stereotype they perpetuated about themselves because it was seen as refined. In the bible god demands that couples have copious amounts of sex and have a great time doing so, and when your sex is backed by the love and joy of a husband and wife coming together to bring children into the world to make a happy family then whether or not your partner fits a stereotypical image of sexy is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:30 AM
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Good matches are scarce, thinking they're not means your standards for what makes a good mother are probably low
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 12:51 AM
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In general I don't. But there's enough of a cultural pressure for women to have casual sex in the name of "empowerment" that it becomes concerning that it will sway women who would otherwise not engage in it, removing them from the dating pool for guys who don't partake in casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:51 AM
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Reddit subs where dating is discussed are full of women being confused and disappointed by this exact kind of deception. You're assuming that the existence of a specific subset of women that don't match OP's description means that he is wrong overall, which isn't necessarily true. You're also assuming a certain perspective about casual sex to be universal when it's not. I don't get the sense that you're making this comment in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:47 AM
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I think men are confused about the situation too, most women need to raise their standards higher so that they eliminate flaky and superficial men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:07 PM
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That's absolutely correct although in the age of birth control they are no longer necessarily discriminating for men who would be the ideal father of their children
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:05 PM
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Actually what you're describing sounds ideal. I agree that there's a lot of hypocrisy out there. But what you're seeing is fundamentally a conflict between people who have more traditional values about relationships feeling threatened by the growing societal pressure for women to abandon those values. Yes there are confused people who are conflicted or hypocritical but that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of men who aren't. Men who were raised to prepare themselves for marriage and family life w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:56 PM
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