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I don't it's so much that, more than it is subconscious doubt, as data and experimental conditions used to be heavily manipulated to favor men. So when people are presented with fictitious research showing that men are better at drawing, more honest, or smarter than women, they suspect on a subconscious level that the researcher was looking to build a narrative. edit: Why the downvotes? Did you guys not read the article?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 10:14 PM
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As a woman, you need to just say it. I would even suggest recording the interaction, or filing a report with whatever organization you're working with afterwards, if whatever jurisdiction you're in doesn't allow for one-party consent recording of conversations.
/r/seduction18/12/23 08:22 PM
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How do you know if it was really women answering as women in your poll?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/23 11:18 PM
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Funny how when a man has bad experiences with women here he is told it's because he chooses the wrong women, What are you talking about? She "choose wrong" is something Red Pill men say every time a woman brings up bad behavior from her current or former partner. Where are male abuse victims being constantly told they chose wrong, and by whom?
/r/ExRedPill01/11/23 10:01 PM
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Men and women use different methods to achieve the same goal (orgasm). Women requiring a simple vibrator to orgasm is often a mere result of the anatomy of her genitalia. (Placement of clitoris, pelvic floor muscular structure, etc.) For many woman, traditional PIV intercourse does not provide enough friction to stimulate the clitoris, due to it's placement. Needing pornography to climax during sex is often a symptom of a psychological issue. (Porn addiction.) One is merely anatomical, the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:50 PM
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either gender is having issues "down there" it is there responsibility to take care of the issue. Isn't that what they're doing by using vibrators?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:40 PM
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But you would’ve made the exact same mistake with a guy your age. Possibly, but the dynamic would have been completely different. I'm still in my mid-20s, but throughout my teens and early 20s the vast majority of older men who approached me were pushy and disrespectful. I would see them hanging around college bars wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses, hoping to snag 19-22 year olds. While they clearly do achieve a sense of validation from being able to pull "the youngest and hottest" women, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:38 PM
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if young women can’t be trusted to make their own dating choices, why should they be trusted to make any choices? It's not an issue pertaining to young women. It's an issue pertaining to young people in general. I also don't know why it needs to be all or nothing. There's a lot of ground between still needing some guidance and not being able to make any decisions at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:29 PM
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It couldn't possibly be that men are attracted to neotenous traits ... yes... some men are attracted to neotenous traits... we know. That's why it's unsettling.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:24 PM
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You don't see how this would impact decisions that are made regarding legislation, sentencing, business, hiring, culture and general day to day life? You're literally screeching about young women not wanting to fuck middle aged men, because they've somehow been "brainwashed by older feminists." But apparently men holding a disproportionate amount of social, political and economical power doesn't negatively impact women in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:20 PM
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Y’all wanted to be in the world. What other option is there? Hide in the home 24/7, unless accompanied by a male chaperone? Sounds like a great way to become a domestic violence statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:15 PM
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Or we just find men in their 20s to be more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:13 PM
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For real. I'm in my 20s, and older men have a very hard time dealing with the fact that I'm not interested in, or attracted to them. "I'm guessing some bitter old hag told you that" - when I was 19 and rejected a 43 year old man. So much cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:12 PM
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It's a convenient way to disparage people with the ability to identify red flags and enforce boundaries. After having dated someone who legitimately had narcissistic personality disorder, this has become extremely apparent to me. I'm still in my mid-20s, but throughout my teens and early 20s the vast majority of older men who approached me were pushy and disrespectful. I would see them hanging around college bars wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses, hoping to snag 19-22 year olds. While they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:56 PM
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In shorts, women will complain and find anything "problematic" that they don't like, which is why they are not to be listened to for relationship advice. It's almost like different women prefer different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:36 PM
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we know this from the divorce stats. The larger the age gap, the higher the likelihood of divirce.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:35 PM
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What kind of character do you think a 36 year old man who's trying to date or fuck a 19 year old has? Especially if the 19 year old is his friend's or colleague's daughter. Be real here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:29 PM
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Even if most people don't know what SMV is, they still have an intuition of it. Yes, but they aren't autistically dissecting these dynamics, and prescribing rigid and unnuanced cut-offs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:27 PM
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I.e., men who watch porn but would have the meltdown of the century if their daughter ever did porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:23 PM
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was going balls deep while she was on all four and I felt like not pulling out, and she asked me if I was going to come and I said "yeah...". No more questions, she just pinned up her ass, I grabbed her hips hard with my hands and well, basically, I felt like my heart was going out of my dick in that nut. r/Ihavesex We all know this is fantasy. (Unless you paid.) But I do understand what you mean. As a woman in her early 20s, men in their 20s are the most attractive, on a raw biological level. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:22 PM
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Older men don't even care to raise men's age of military draft up to 25. They only ever bring it up when they want to justify having sex with teens and very young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:15 PM
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"Why dont women's support groups stand up for men?" Is that really suppose to be a slam dunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:13 PM
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In the context of this discussion: Being "creepy" is disregarding social norms surrounding respect for another person's space and privacy, as well as purposefully ignoring verbal ques and other obvious signs of discomfort to maintain a level of plausible deniability while deliberately making woman uncomfortable with asserting herself and enforcing boundaries. (I.e., coercion.)
/r/TheRedPill16/06/23 03:48 PM
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having a high partner had been a biologically impossibility for a woman until the 21st century. Bruh... lol you think women evolved to he "faithful virgins" or whatever? If it was int their nature, high body count women wouldn't exist. Women want the desired man who chooses her over all his past and potential lovers. Whether or not he fucked the other girls who desired him is irrelevant The only women who don't care are high body count sluts, that you wouldn't want to settle down with anyway. Fo…
/r/TheRedPill14/06/23 03:02 AM
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It's not blue-pilled to be against rape.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/23 07:58 PM
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There are multiple countries in which marital rape is illegal.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/23 07:58 PM
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According to whom? Biblical tyrants?
/r/TheRedPill20/05/23 06:11 PM
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No, it's not. Men can't force themselves upon their wives, and vice versa.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/23 11:39 AM
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She says she doesn't want to have sex with him, and he forces her. Approximately 10-14% of married women are raped by their husbands in the United States. Historically, most rape statutes read that rape was forced sexual intercourse with a woman not your wife, thus granting husbands a license to rape.
/r/TheRedPill18/05/23 02:50 PM
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Most women regardless of their culture or nation of origin marry for stability Yes, but men here really overestimate how far this goes. If it was that prevalent sex tourism wouldn't exist. Again, I don't know how much experience you have, but this is an extremely naive statement. It's not like violence against these guys is rampant, but it happens more than people think. Many of these guys don't report being scammed or blackmailed either. If you found someone overseas and it's working out for yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 10:07 PM
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Why do you think it's any different in South America or South East Asia? You think those women like these men? You think they aren't using them? "Younger traditional" Eastern European women also seek older men for their "experience, knowledge and stability." At least, that's what they tell these guys and other gullible and entitled westerners. Less than 0.1 percent of American travelers die overseas each year and even fewer from violent crimes. I'm not talking about dying overseas. Beatings tend…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:07 PM
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Women from these developing countries hate these guys too. Some set them up to be robbed. (I'm from eastern Europe. It was not uncommon seeing sex tourists ending up stranded.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:34 AM
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Lol I'm from eastern Europe and it was always funny watching these guys get robbed and beaten. Literally stranded at their embassy, on the verge of tears.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:32 AM
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You find older men gross, that's your preference and you're entitled to it but other women do not feel the same way. Many women prefer older men over younger men for their life experience and stability. They're pretending to like them. As someone who comes from an eastern European country, these young women are repulsed by these men. They just use them back, and talk so much shit about them. A lot of these men also end up robbed, beaten, and humiliated when they travel to foreign countries as se…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:27 AM
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I don't tell women what they should have done I tell them what they should do... And what should they do? and don't walk down any dark alleys. Ah, yes. Dark alleys. The place that most rapes occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:00 AM
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What about the the rest of society, and people who then get on reddit and scold victims?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:59 AM
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My thing is women claim so many things as rape these days... Such as? abs they continously out themselves in compromising situations ... Every time you get into a car, you're putting yourself in a compromising situation, but nobody would blame you if a drunk driver hit you. If I walk through hood decked out with gold chains and diamond bracelets then get robbed...sure I can complain about it but I didn't take any measures to avoid that. Should the robber not be held accountable? Does your carele…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:31 AM
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if feminists aren't called out on this They are. we have no moral right to call out the opposite side on the same thing. Myron and fresh did, as they hosted this man on their podcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:25 AM
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That's all there is to it. Did you not read the rest of the comment? For all you know they didn't even know. And once they found out, it was up to them to hold him accountable. Anyway, what you're saying sounds like that people should be cancelled and that the cancel culture is good. "Omg you're saying a rapist should be canceled?!?!! Wow you must be some blue hair feminist cancel culture sjw." .. dude...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:17 AM
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This is the weirdest argument I've ever heard in defense of failing to hold a rapist accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:16 AM
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You can still point out toxic dating strategies though. "Hey man, it's immoral to go after vulnerable people with low self esteem and gaslight them, causing them to feel as though they need to prove themselves to you. Constantly reminding someone that they're replaceable is abusive and toxic, as is coercing someone into a one-ended open relationship." "Okay, but you have a fat wife. Haha gotcha" Like do you even hear yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:11 AM
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once you start paying for sex you'll never view women the same This is akin to having porn-brain. I'm sure women who sell sex don't view men the same way either. I would say both stances are irrational though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:09 AM
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Donovan is so fucking cringe. He admitted to getting finessed by a 19 year old girl when he was like 30, or some shit. When literally all this guys have slept with more women Cap. (Other than Tate.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:08 AM
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Aba pays for sex He does? I thought he was merely in favor of legalizing and regulating the industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:05 AM
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Would they be laughing "because of how insane the situation was" if a woman came on and talked about drugging, robbing, and assaulting men? Doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 01:02 AM
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Okay, but what's still more common? People are far more common to be falsely accused of theft, but I don't see anyone saying "false allegations are what causes me to doubt this person stole from you."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 12:58 AM
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Lmfao right? Like, who tf even says this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 12:14 AM
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Fact of the matter this feminism angle regarding rape isn't about stopping rape itself, it's more about shifting of accountability from women onto men. Uhm, you mean holding the rapist, the person who actually committed the crime and aggressed onto another individual accountable? Why is that a bad thing? You want women to be able to do whatever they want regarding sexual dynamics Unironically, yes. So long as all involved are consenting adults, and the situation is free of coercion and manipulat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 12:13 AM
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People seem to understand this concept when it comes to men but not women. Not Myron and his ilk. According to them, the woman is always at fault. It could be any situation, and they'll find a way to flip it back onto the woman. But okay, I'll play. Even if a woman could have been more careful, so what? Is the rapist not responsible for their own actions? Are they somehow less accountable simply because their victim made a bad choice? What about victims of car accidents from drunk drivers? Are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 12:07 AM
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The only people I ever hear saying that are Red pillers when they're trying to downplay rape. I've never heard a woman say not calling her back is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 12:00 AM
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Every single woman there said it would be HIS fault. Think about that very carefully. And what if she did sleep with him? What if he was spending money, but she was initially reciprocal, caring, and made him happy, but still backstabbed him and cheated on him? Myron uses these absurdly simplied examples to paint his narrative. More often than not, the abuse creeps up on people. It doesn't go from 0 to 100 in a matter of days. It can even take years, and by the time the victim realizes the situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:58 PM
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Why do feminists need to coddle and help men get dates in order for men to not resort to violence and bigotry towards women? Also, female dating coaches do exist. But men dont listen to them because "don't ask a fish, ask a fisherman."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:50 PM
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They may not be advocates but they definitely dont seem to think it's a big deal, or are at least extremely selective in when they feel as though it was a legitimate rape. I guess you could call them rape apologists, or downplayers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:48 PM
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I've seen men say that if age of consent laws didn't exist, women would hit the wall at 18-21.
/r/ExRedPill23/03/23 05:51 PM
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Lies. I know a woman who was raped by a man she found attractive. She pressed charges. I know another woman who was raped by her husband. Not sure what you're meaning to imply though, or why you're being snarky. Like yes... women generally don't want to have sex with men they aren't attracted to. Why is that a bad thing?
/r/TheRedPill22/03/23 05:35 AM
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This is fucking deranged. The vape is then not a transgression against the woman. It is against the man that the woman has some sort of relationship to. I remember reading a story about a woman who shot her rapist afterwards. She did that, not a man. How do redpillers quantify this? This is why marital vape (an anti-concept) exists. Modern marriage is not a man taking ownership of a woman, it’s the state lending the woman to him as long as he behaves. Are women not sentient beings? Why is it oka…
/r/TheRedPill22/03/23 05:21 AM
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The war bride is the product of this exact process. First men violently win dominance displays. Then they appropriate the women previously owned by their rivals, and impregnate them. This is the state of nature for Man. Any framework of sexual dynamics using evolution as its foundation should start here. Did the women really have a choice though? Were most of them in this situation not essentially kidnapped and raped?
/r/TheRedPill22/03/23 05:17 AM
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30 still isn't old. Even if you were over 35 or 40, I would still say they're negging... but yeah, 30 isn't old.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/23 02:48 AM
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For real. Looking g back at photos of me as a teen. Just ew. Lol I had a bloated face and no sense of style.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/23 02:47 AM
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How old are you, OP? Because I've had men say this to me at 21. Yes, 21. It's something men say to break down your self esteem. They want you to always feel as though you're a man's second option, and feel insecure in your relationship. Even if you're married, they want you to always feel as though your husband is only with you because he can't do any better. Why? There's a few reason. Insecure people want other people to feel insecure. They resent women and see this as some sort of vengeance ag…
/r/ExRedPill17/03/23 09:30 PM
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There's nothing wrong with not wanting to date a single parent. The issue is men who aren't dating these women getting angry because other men are willing to.
/r/ExRedPill15/03/23 06:20 PM
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Omg I didn't mean to comment that on this post. I'm on my phone and I don't know how this happened. Sorry guys!
/r/ExRedPill11/03/23 12:07 AM
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That's so fucking creepy. Edit: I didn't mean to comment that on this post. I'm in amy ohoena and I don't know how this happened. Sorry guys!
/r/ExRedPill10/03/23 11:25 PM
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Not sure if you read the full convo, but we're not only talking about adults here. Sure, people can do what they want, and I can still think it's gross. I hold older women to the same standard. What are the emotional, psychological, and physiological differences between a 17 year old and an 18 year old?
/r/ExRedPill07/03/23 05:15 AM
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I remember being 12-21. I remember the kinds of men who pursued me. "i don't like it when men date young women" Would you like me to explain why myself and other people don't like it when older adults pursue teens and very young adults? Would you engage in good faith, or would you just fall back on the "but 18 is legal" defense?
/r/ExRedPill06/03/23 05:02 PM
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you have no response, nothing of substance to say I didn't have to say anything. You said it all for me. Not sure what you're insinuating here, but I'm in my early 20s and am happily married.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/23 04:37 PM
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Mila Kunis was 14 years old when she first starred on That 70s Show... thanks for confirming what myself and other women already knew, though.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/23 04:06 PM
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Does a 17 year old also "explode with beauty and energy"?
/r/ExRedPill06/03/23 03:24 PM
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sigh Okay, fine. It's successful at primarily attracting women Red Pill man are constantly acknowledging. Because these are the only kinds of women they're able to attract, they fall into the spiral of thinking all or most women are like this. It's no different from women who repeatedly go for "bad boys" and then complain about men. Is that better?
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 05:41 PM
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Because how behave will dictate the kind of person you attract. Do you want a kind, caring, loyal, reciprocal girlfriend? Or do you want a gold digger who doesn't give a shit about you, and will cheat or leave the minute you fall on hard times?
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 05:39 PM
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He didn't explicitly say "treat her like shit," but the ways in which he describes he treats "his females" are basically how you would describe treating someone like shit. Cheating them, weaponizing sex, stealing from them, manipulating them, isolating them... non if things are good.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 05:37 PM
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What kind of women are you looking to attract?
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 05:34 PM
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It's successful at primarily attracting women Red Pill man complain about. Because these are the only kinds of women they're able to attract, they fall into the spiral of thinking all or most women are like this. It's no different from women who repeatedly go for "bad boys" and then complain about men.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 05:32 PM
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TRP doesn't have a monopoly on being fit, attractive, and financially stable. These things all pre-date TRP.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 05:30 PM
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As woman, if some guy freaked out and kicked me out immediately because I didn't want to have sex with him, I would be thankful I didn't. What kind maniac behaves this way?
/r/ExRedPill01/03/23 04:29 PM
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That’s the worst kind of sex coz she’s probably going to zone out and make you feel guilty. I know this post is like a year old, but that's what some fo these guys want. These guys don't like it when women are "a little too into" the sex. It doesn't make them feel guilty, it makes them feel powerful.
/r/ExRedPill01/03/23 04:25 PM
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I understand that some people are insecure, but I find that people who constantly need reassurance tend to be borderline or just outright abusive. I dated someone like that in the past. He was so paranoid and insecure, he needed access to all my social media (he kept my accounts signed in on his phone), he needed me to call him whenever I went out with friends, wanted me to take pictures at every outing, and constantly asked me to get on facetime and show him the room ans the rest of my place (i…
/r/ExRedPill26/02/23 06:44 PM
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Paternity fraud is very rare. Studies tell us that 96-99% of children are listed with the right father. Do you have a source? Not arguing, genuinely curious. I hear some people saying it's far more common than we think. They can never provide any evidence to support that claim, but I can't provide any evidence to counter their claim either.
/r/ExRedPill26/02/23 06:30 PM
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This is one of the things RedPillers are right about. I use to think it was a bad idea because the idea of the government collecting everyone's DNA irked me (still kinda does), but fathers deserve to know and do the children.
/r/ExRedPill26/02/23 06:14 PM
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Did you actually read what I wrote? I never said women didn't have certain privileges. You just didn't mention any. What I said, was that both men and women have issues, and explained why the phrase "women live life on easy mode" is a delusional narrative. Are you at all familiar with statistics regarding rape, spousal homocide, poverty, reproductive complications, and discriminatory medical practices?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:12 AM
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Our society bends over backwards for you. Your every emotion, flaw, and insecurity is validated. You're basing your entire worldview of off online PPD discourse and Red Pill talking points. In real life, rape victims are mocked and rarely believed, women are killed by their intimate partners at more than 6x the rate, we deal wih pregnancy and childbirth, weaker physical strength, medical neglect, etc. You’re rude and crass? No, you’re a girl boss. When men are rude and crass they're "upfront" or…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:51 AM
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The two aren't mutually exclusive. Women aren't denying the fact that exploring different relationships and discovering what they want in life is a part of finding themselves. Men do the same thing, and that's okay. The only difference is, men look to justify their "finding myself" stage, while they begrudge and resent women for doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:31 PM
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35 year old hag The hag stage doesn't set in until the 50s. Where do you live that women in their 30s are hags? Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:28 PM
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a young average looking girl who simply isn’t fat and keeps up with hygiene lives life on easy mode. How? In what ways is a woman's life any easier than a man's?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:15 PM
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Because by the time those women are in their 30s around marriage age then the men their age have enough wealth and status to tip the scales in their favor. Doesnt add up. Most men don't earn enough to "tip the scales in their favor." Remember, women aren't dating men more than a few years older than them. That includes the younger generation who is pursuing men their within their own age range. Not older men who've now "tipped the scales."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:40 PM
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25 and 27 are in the same age group. All you're saying here is that while looks are important, they aren't everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:08 PM
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There's a distinction that needs to be made. Does she have a strong dislike towards men? (I.e., "men are trash") or does she simply find comfort in knowing that she can support herself? I've spoken even to older women (in their 80s and 90s) and even they have said it's not good to rely on a person to the point that you would become destitute should something happen. Striving for independence, and ensuring you have the ability to be independent should SHTF are two different things. It is not a go…
/r/RedPillWomen19/01/23 05:53 PM
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Ever hear of infidelity? This barely answers my question. Please elaborate further, as this applies to men as well. You're purposefully not listening to my argument. I'm pointing out that your arguement applies to only small selection of young women. The majority of (young) women are not being invited to clubs and yacht parties, and being offered free trips by men. There are also tons of women working for minimum wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 03:15 PM
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Why is that an issue? It's a lowered standard because the standard put in place for males wouldn't be an accurate way to test women's strength, health, and endurance. Where the ability to preform certain physical tasks is a necessity, standards are not lowered for women. Physical requirements for front line soldiers are more stringent than those who operate behind the scenes, as well as in other industries such as firefighting, and policing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 03:05 AM
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Each event is designed to assess physical strength, mental toughness, coordination, and flexibility, while reducing preventable injuries. It's to test to measure health and fitness levels, rather than to ensure combat effectiveness. This is why physical requirements for front-line soldiers should be more stringent than those who operate behind the scenes. Especially now, as a military that's primarily driven by technology, machinery, and organization, physical strength is only relevant in certai…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 07:05 PM
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Again, it's a feast if you're willing to eat out of the dumpster. Women who care about their health and safety can't just sleep around. let’s be honest women will curve a valueable guy for the dumbest reasons Such as? What do mean by valuable guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:56 PM
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Yet here you are as a man, commenting about the female experience. As a woman, I stand by my first statement. It's a feast if you're willing to eat out of the dumpster, but that's about it. I know multiple men who said they just lower their standards when they need to get laid. None of them are very wealthy of physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:12 PM
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Do you understand the point of the fitness test?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:08 PM
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Older guys have far greater experience and knowledge. Eh, depends on what he does with it. I wouldn't say men in their 30s and 40s who chase after teenagers or college aged women are beacons of intellect and maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:25 AM
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He also got a shit ton of work done, as have most men in Hollywood. (Hair transplant, face lift, botox, a discreet little nip-and-tuck here and there.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:20 AM
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Okay, but most men still date within a 5 year age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:19 AM
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Haha fair play man! It's good to see men being honest, instead perpetuating that weird evo-psych pseudoscience. People get so wrapped up in this stuff that they forget that a key ingredient is simply being hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:18 AM
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This is what is starting to happen to me (I'm a woman in her mid 20s) and it has definitely improved my overall look. Most people look better once they lose that last bit of baby fat left over from puberty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:16 AM
1

I would say you are definitely an anomaly. Some people really do get better with age, but it would be delusional to pretend that the majority of people don't look their best in their 20s or early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:15 AM
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Because virginity is heavily valued to men for biological reasons. Such as? Same reason a 19 year old girl gets invited to yacht parties, free club entries, offered free trips by men and is at the top of her game while her male counterpart is bussing tables at some restaurant for minimum wage. Tons of college age girls work minimum wage jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:10 AM
1

Because like any other person, women don't like being disrespected. It's not a crazy concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:09 AM
1

You tried to shift the goal posts, and now that it didn't work out the way you intended you're saying "but that's not the argument."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:08 AM
1

Military fitness test are more about measuring durability, and fitness level. So it makes sense that standards would be lower for women to simply enlist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:07 AM
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It's easy for women who have little to no standards, and no regard for their safety. Same goes for most young men. Just let go of any and all standards and you'll be able to get laid just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:05 AM
12

You won't find it hot when you're pregnant or older.
/r/RedPillWomen28/12/22 05:04 PM
-4

Wtf
/r/PussyPassDenied28/11/22 07:58 PM
86

And men even. (And I say this as a woman.)
/r/PussyPassDenied25/11/22 02:41 AM
11

So you agree then that if a woman slaps a man, he's wrong to absolutely pummble her? Not trying to be snarky, but I see a lot of "equal right and lefts" stuff here. But as soon as it's between two women, it suddenly becomes "her response was overboard."
/r/PussyPassDenied25/11/22 02:05 AM
10

It's not violent, per say... but it's still sexual assault. Don't touch people's asses or privates without their consent. She wasn't wrong to slap the other woman. If some random woman slapped my ass I'd be pissed.
/r/PussyPassDenied25/11/22 02:03 AM
25

It's like a bar, a barber shop, and strip club all in one.
/r/PussyPassDenied25/11/22 02:01 AM
-6

Actually, no. While men who kill their female partners are more likely to be criminally convicted, they tend to receive lighter sentences than women who are convicted of killing their male partners. According to statistics cited by the ACLU, the average prison sentence for men who kill their female partners is two to six years, while women who kill their male partners are sentenced on average to 15 years. edit: for some reason I'm unable to respond to the comments under this comment. But some of…
/r/PussyPassDenied20/11/22 11:52 PM
2

Check out Jeffrey Epstein's first incarceration in 2008. Man was able to limo back to his house and spend time there unsupervised every afternoon while he was in lock up.
/r/PussyPassDenied19/11/22 10:41 AM
6

Yup, really goes to show how many guys here will just talk out of their asses.
/r/PussyPassDenied19/11/22 10:39 AM
1

Yeah, people think she got a light sentence because she's a woman. Nah... money talks. Check out Jeffrey Epstein's first incarceration in 2008. Man was able to limo back to his house and spend time there unsupervised every afternoon while he was in lock up.
/r/PussyPassDenied19/11/22 10:37 AM
2

They're both really bad. I don't see why it needs to be a competition.
/r/PussyPassDenied19/11/22 10:36 AM
1

*Your daughter.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 08:02 PM
1

Slut
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 06:10 PM
2

K lol
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 04:10 PM
2

Huh? How did you deduce that from anything I've said?
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 03:56 AM
1

Does it bother me when women wake other women up to reality so they don’t fuck their lives up due to a lack of knowledge? No, of course not.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 03:54 AM
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Do you complain when women wake other women up to reality so they don’t fuck their lives up due to a lack of knowledge?
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 02:50 AM
2

Yup, there's no shortage of male equivalents. Just let them date each other. You can either ignore those women or you can hop on posts about them all day and complain about them. Your choice.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 02:03 AM
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This sub use to be about women facing consequences for committing crimes. Now it's just full of resentful men who want to see women being "owned."
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 01:42 AM
4

Apparently losing a debate is now pussy pass denied.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 01:40 AM
2

Then don't date those women.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/11/22 01:40 AM
1

making your own rules and definitions That's basically what you're doing. You're trying to say that a woman lying to her boyfriend is a case of PPD simply because she committed a crime and received an adequate sentence. If a woman didn't attempt to use her status as a woman to evade consequences, how is it a case of pussy pass denied? In other words, how was her pussy pass denied if she didn't even try using it?
/r/PussyPassDenied11/11/22 08:48 PM
1

... the hostility... jeez. I'm merely pointing out that a woman lying to her partner about a pregnancy is no different than a man lying about a pregnancy. By your logic, any time a woman lies to her boyfriend, she's attempting to use the pussy pass. Men commit rape too but that doesn't mean that a woman getting her pass denied in a rape case isn't PPD. It's only PPD if she (explicitly) attempted to use her status as a woman to evade consequences.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/11/22 08:38 PM
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Lying to your partner isn't. Men have lied to their partners to conceal pregnancies, and have even murdered women over it. To say this is a case of PPD just seems like a massive reach.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/11/22 04:33 PM
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No, someone lying to their significant other isn't a gendered issue. Where did she attempt to use her status as a woman to get away with anything in court, or even with her boyfriend?
/r/PussyPassDenied11/11/22 01:25 AM
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That's a matter pertaining to her relationship. Her legal situation is an entirely different matter. Her motivation for why she decided to murder a woman and cut her baby out of her isn't her asking for a lesser sentence because she's a woman.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 11:10 PM
0

How so?
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 09:49 PM
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How though? It is PPD any time a woman faces consequences? It's only pussy pass denied if the woman explicitly tried to use the "I'm a woman/mother" card. If this woman tried doing that, then yeah, pussy pass denied.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 09:25 PM
1

"Just sayin." The Pope has tried to intervene prevent a man from being executed in Texas as well. https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/09/05/why-pope-francis-texas-bishops-are-trying-save-man-death-row/
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 09:22 PM
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So? Her relationship situation has no relevance to the sentence she received. Also, what does that have to do with her being a woman? Do men never lie to avoid consequences in a relationship?
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 08:17 PM
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Why on earth would she receive a pardon? Are women routinely receiving pardons for murder? Key word, routinely. I'm not interested in rare or one-off cases.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 08:15 PM
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That's her relationship. This is a sentence for a murder charge.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 08:11 PM
1

There will be protests against her sentence, but not because she's a woman. Death penalty abolitionists are vehemently against men receiving the death penalty as well.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/11/22 08:10 PM
1

What have I said to give you impression that I've had a sheltered upbringing? Why do you keep quoting me? Why have you been dodging my question? Why is a younger woman a necessity to make this happen? Her lack of boundaries? Her lack of critical thinking skills? Her gullibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:57 PM
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Doing what exactly? Manifesting their "I'm the prize" mentality. This seems like an endless chore of a conversation to be honest You're free to stop responding at any point in time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:27 PM
1

What is it then? Because I've seen women doing it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:44 PM
1

It is. The "I'm the prize" mentality is cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:38 AM
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Why would I have to add in reciprocation? ... because a relationship consists of two people working together. When I talk about what I'm looking for in a relationship, I include what I'm willing to contribute, and what my long term goals are. That said, what value do you plan to provide in a relationship? A man did a certain number of things to be attractive to the women in the women has to add value and reciprocate now that’s the point lol Has she not put in the effort to make herself attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 10:40 PM
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I never said lack of experience was a bad thing. I know. That's a major part of the appeal. A lack of experience. It has nothing to do with training a dog I said that's what it sounds like. You're talking about "coaching" a young person how to cook, clean, and sexually pleasure you, without any mention of reciprocation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 04:36 PM
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They’ll get shamed for it that’s why. Yeah... beceause when we really break it down, it's obvious why some men prefer very young women. They want their desires to be the sole focus of the relationship. So they need a woman who allows her wants and needs to take a back seat; due to her lack of boundaries, independence, experience, and expectations. showing a younger woman how you like things done and how to best be an asset to your life. Again, why is a younger woman a necessity to make this happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 04:16 PM
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Just explain what you mean by coachable, and why it's only possible to do that with someone who's very young. I don't understand because men are never able to elaborate on what they mean when they say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 04:39 PM
1

Agreed that still doesn't explain what you really mean by "more coachable." Or why certain preferences are being passed off as merely "boundaries".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 04:32 PM
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and kind of guarded it comes with SOME bad traits So women who have experience have been able to draw boundaries? How is that a bad thing? Women who’ve been with a lot of men are usually jaded Applies to men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 06:12 AM
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You keep saying that but refuse to elaborate. In what way? Younger who date older men usually have higher standards since it usually means they're compromising. (Passing up youths and good looks, for resources.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:29 AM
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Yeah, that's not great but that's not an age thing. That's a shitty, entitled person thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:35 PM
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Most men would gladly be with most women it’s not like that anymore. Sorry, do you mind rephrasing? Also, you can’t use exceptions to the rule and floss over the majority. I'm not. I’m saying younger women are more coachable. You haven't been able to explain why though. Are older women incapable of cooking, cleaning, and sexually pleasing their partner? If not, how come? Also, you haven't answered my other question. When you say "older women," what age range are you referring to? Some men say 25…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:20 PM
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The current climate most women don’t respect most men. Most men don't respect women either, and hadn't for a large chunk of human history. It's not a one-sided issue. Most women have many guys they’re using for attention of foodie dates or sex all in their contacts. Most? Where do you live? If you don't mind me asking. There are definitely women who do this, but most women I know are married, in relationships, or are genuinely looking for love and companionship. More often it's men who want to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:10 PM
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Older women aren't open to cooking, cleaning, having good sex and communicating with their boyfriend? How old are we talking here? This may not apply to you, but I find that a major issue for a lot of these guys is that older woman expect him to reciprocate, and he doesn't want to have to do that. He aims for a dynamic where her wants and needs take a back seat, so that his desires can be the sole focus of the relationship. Therefore, he must find a young women with less sturdy boundries in plac…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 03:42 PM
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Is it not possible to communicate any of that to someone of any age? I understand wanting to grow with someone, but that's not what's happening the situation described. They're aiming to mold the younger person to their liking, not grow with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:29 AM
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coachable What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:21 PM
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will have the same parts of their brain light up Most people who use the "parts of the brain light up" line has no idea what they're actually talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 05:01 PM
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Roughly 16-20 is most fertile This is false. For women it's 21-26. Female teens are at a higher risk pregnancy and birth related complications than women in their 20s. Read up the the "second puberty" the women go through in their early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:59 PM
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Men are demonized for wanting young women for the wrong reasons, while failing to account for why they, as older men, are also less desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:55 PM
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ran through by a decade or more of various guys that have jaded her, hardened her and made her suspicious of men are less desirable. Why would a ypung, healthy woman be attracted to a man with a similar experience and outlook towards the the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:47 PM
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Women are judged all the time for their preferences. Who cares? Do whatever you want. People complaining about your preferences isn't stopping you from dating a virgin. Go do it. Who cares what people say?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:17 PM
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Yup. Men are mad at the preference itself. Women don't like how certain preferences are expressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:56 PM
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Did you actually read the sources posted, as well as other studies on the topic? Or just OP's cherry-picked quotes, from cherry picked studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:51 PM
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Biased in what way? Drug abuse + plastic surgery absolutely counts Which is why I mentioned it. Lol
/r/PussyPassDenied17/10/22 11:54 PM
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?
/r/PussyPassDenied11/10/22 02:05 PM
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How old are you? I'm in my 20s. I know tons of happy couples in their 20s, 30s, and 40s. I know people you've been in abusive relationships too, but it sounds like you're hanging out with the wrong people if you really don't know anyone who's been in a loving relationship with someone they trust. Feminism has made hating and accusing men trendy and cool and in turn divided men and women to the point where none of us can trust each other. ... opposed to how it use to be? Feminism is a reactionary…
/r/PussyPassDenied11/10/22 01:40 PM
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Yeah very fulfilling to live with someone that values you like a human atm card and then lies about you raping or beating them when you break up because they want to destroy your life and career and also get in on the metoo trend. When did I say that would be fulfilling? All I said someone you love and can share your life with. Also, are you implying that Jolie is lying? If so, why? What evidence indicates that she's lying or used him as an ATM? If she cant have you and your money then NOBODY ca…
/r/PussyPassDenied11/10/22 08:02 AM
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It's still a health issue, and can drastically effect the way a person ages. I wouldn't necessarily say it's "the wall."
/r/PussyPassDenied11/10/22 02:28 AM
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Tbh... I disagree that's it's a common mentality. There's no male equivalent (that I can think of) for the term homewrecker. I also think it depends on who you're talking to. I've seen people defend women for cheating because "he wasn't meeting her emotional needs," and I've heard people blame women for their husband's infidelity because "she wasn't meeting his sexual needs" or "she let herself go." Regardless, it's good to see you agree that the married partner always carries more responsibilit…
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 11:10 PM
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I didn't say men in general hold more responsibility. I said Jolie's affair partners hold more responsibility because they're the ones who were married. Man or woman, the married partner always carries more responsibility.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 10:56 PM
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women cheat = man's fault. When did I say or even imply that?
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 10:51 PM
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I have no idea who that is, or what it's suppose to mean
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 10:18 PM
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Yeah, it's still fucked up to knowingly pursue someone who's married. But in the end, it's up to person who took vows to either say no, or be honest with their spouse and end the marriage before they get involved with someone else.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 10:01 PM
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It's about both of them.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 09:58 PM
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Yeah, she's creepy and weird as fuck. It just doesn't make sense that "it takes two to cheat" is an afterthought here to calling her a homewrecker.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 09:58 PM
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Because he's the one who was married. Man or woman, the married partner always carries more responsibility.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 09:52 PM
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... his alleged physical abuse was made public back in 2016, and law enforcement was involved. The FBI questioned everyone on the plane. Even the F.B.I. agent who investigated allegations that Pitt physically assaulted Jolie and their children on the plane in 2016 had “concluded that the government had probable cause to charge Pitt with a federal crime for his conduct that day.” This is only being brought up again publicly because Pitt is trying to sue her for selling her share of a business the…
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 08:56 PM
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Sure, but why focus solely on her when the men she married are just as, if not more responsible?
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 07:55 PM
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like these kids probably have Where is there any indication that Jolie is an alcoholic mother who beats and cusses out her kids? That's basically invalidating my experience if OP & the rest of this thread would have it. How does pointing out that sometimes that sometimes fathers are at fault for their kids not wanting to speak with then invalidating your experience? Kids can be tricked, teenagers? Not really The kid that Pitt allegedly choked was 15 at the time, and is 21 now. The other kids are…
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 07:54 PM
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True, I just don't understand why people are so quick to say she's lying. Yeah, we don't know if he actually it, but that doesn't mean she's lying. It means we don't know. It's not like he has much more credibility than she does.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 07:50 PM
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Yeah, no... it's called having a double mastectomy, a history of drug abuse, and anorexia. I think bad plastic surgery may also be a factor, but most women don't age like that.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 07:26 PM
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The notion that the man may actually be at fault is rarely entertained on this sub.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 07:24 PM
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Is that really what happens every single time though? The kid was like 15 when it happened, and is 21 now. Yes, there are mothers who manipulate their children and turn them against their father; but there are also cases where the father is actually an abusive person, and the kids see and experience it. I personally know an ex-family friend who's in that situation. 2 failed marriages, and 2 kids with 2 different women. Both kids have taken their mom's side, but in his eyes, he's the victim. He's…
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 06:49 PM
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Lol Brad made the descion to cheat too.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 06:43 PM
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Because believe it or not, wealthy and famous men are also people who want love, emotional intimacy, and a family. Having someone you love and can share your life with is safer and more fulfilling than paying for sex with an escort who doesn't actually give a shit about you.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 06:40 PM
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Doesn't she have phyical health issues that cause her to look that way?
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 06:36 PM
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Hear me out... it's entirely possible that both Brad and Angelina are fucked up and crazy in different ways. I'm yet to hear accounts of her being physically violent against their adopted children though.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/10/22 06:32 PM
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How can you know that?
/r/PussyPassDenied30/09/22 04:28 AM
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She can, if she doesn't know or wasn't able to reach him, but it is illigal to lie about it. Paternity fraud is a crime.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/09/22 04:46 PM
1

That's still breaking the law.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/09/22 03:24 PM
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Yup. He brings on retarded, unprepared OnlyFans women and 'influencers', and then bombards with with cherry picked statistics. Myron has a pretty small amount of arguments, and just sort of pivots between them whenever he starts to struggle to defend one. Check out this panel where they had on some competent people. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5AB1gCnRw&t=8531s Nearly every thing these guys believe is based entirely on stereotypes, anecdotes, and absolutely no introspection. Everything these…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:46 AM
1

but that's a 10 year difference with him, the divorce rate is even higher for 10 or more year difference in age. He's all about "the facts and statistics" but conveniently never brings this up. Fresh on the other side, lying about having a 4sum or something that was facilitated by an NBA player. That was fucking hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:45 AM
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The problem I have with Myron is he has the same copout for every question he doesn't have a substantive answer to. "Men want this and women want that, because hardwiring." I also easily noticed the amazing biases in the data he was willing to accept, and how he questions other data It truly is a case of “I believe it when it agrees with me and don’t when it doesn’t."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:33 AM
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The mental gymnastics he goes through to justify it as well.
/r/ExRedPill13/09/22 01:48 AM
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It really depends. Male physicians have down worse and gotten away with it.
/r/PussyPassDenied25/08/22 02:46 PM
0

The only people I've ever heard pushing for men to have more reproductive rights are feminists, tbh. They advocate for male contraception, affordable access to vasectomies. I've never heard or seen self proclaimed MRA advocate for these things, instead they just say women's rights should be taken away to make it "fair."
/r/PussyPassDenied23/08/22 10:31 PM
1

Women aren't allowed to abandon their children either. They are allowed to abort, but they aren't allowed to give their child up for adoption without the father's permission, unless he is absent. If he does not consent to giving his child up for adoption and assumes custody, the mother will be made to pay child support.
/r/PussyPassDenied23/08/22 10:26 PM
1

Not really, men still would not be subjected to the physical realities and health risks that come with pregnancy and childbirth.
/r/PussyPassDenied23/08/22 10:24 PM
3

This is still the case for tubal litigation. All they do is tie a woman's tubes. The ovaries aren't removed and are still in her body.
/r/PussyPassDenied23/08/22 10:20 PM
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It's bullshit. Women who want tubal litigation have to go through the same thing.
/r/PussyPassDenied23/08/22 10:16 PM
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Women still behave like women, and likewise for men. Exactly, a lot of American men don't behave like men either, but are under the impression that proper feminine women will be genuinely interested in them.
/r/TheRedPill29/07/22 01:37 AM
3

Idk... I don't think penises are equivalent to nipples.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/22 01:22 AM
1

the laws out there says a man is rapist if he is breaking up from his girlfriend. Which laws? The NCRB stats says most rapes are simply break ups gone wrong under the "promise of marriage" act. Source?
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 04:56 PM
1

Have you ever been to India or interacted with me from that part of the world? You claimed low conviction rates, but do you know how their laws pertaining to rape even operate?
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 04:08 PM
0

If getting free food was her objective, why would she want to break it off as nicely as possible before a third date? If all she wanted was free food, wouldn't she milk it for all she can?
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 04:05 PM
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As a woman, anytime a guy tried to pay for me, I would decline if I wasn't entirely sure I was interested in pursuing things. I didn't want him getting any ideas that he was owed anything in return for a meal. I had the experience once where he insisted, even after I said I don't mind splitting the bill... and when I didn't want to have sex that night he freaked out and told him owe him his money back... like wtf
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 04:02 PM
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Honestly... this is cringe. Are men owed sex or a relationship because they paid for a date? As long as she was reasonable and didn't order anything crazy expensive, why does she owe him money?
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 03:59 PM
-1

In what way is someone disliking, or choosing to not a follow a patriarchal religion mean they're destroying your faith and religion?
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 03:55 PM
0

gynocentrism ?
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 03:53 PM
1

Not necessarily in disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:09 PM
1

Then you fall under the group of men I'm referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:30 PM
2

Yeah, but it's not just the one guy. I hear this all this time, especially in these online spaces. (That women are always lying.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:21 PM
3

Then why do they always assume women are lying? I know someone who was a virgin, and her bf broke up with her because he thought she was lying and was just trying to get out of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:10 PM
2

Of course double standards exist in the dating sphere, but I would wager many of them are ridiculous and hypocritical. To me body count is one of them. The issues correlated with high n count women are just as prevalent in men. Such as higher rates of infidelity, and impaired ability to pair bond later on in life. I'm not sure about divorce rates though, as I haven't been able to find a study that accounts for men's past number of partners when looking at divorce rates. That seems to be only som…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:09 PM
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I'm referring to RP and PPD guys, and honestly... even some regular guys that aren't really into the manosphere. It's not uncommon to hear "women always lie."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:55 PM
1

I agree, was just wondering where you stand as a lot of men on this sub will say women don't or shouldn't care about a man's n count, while holding women up to a different standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:08 PM
1

Societies with unrestricted sexuality What solutions do you suggest? Legal solutions? Social norms? Then, these men go on to cause crime and unrest in the countries they immigrate to. This is happening in real life. Are you referring to sex tourists you visit place like Philippines or Thailand? If so, people like that have been around since the dawn of humanity, and often have fetishes or -- for a lack of a better term -- 'preferences' that would be illegal or unacceptable even in a society in w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:00 PM
1

You would say good women have high n counts?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:54 PM
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But they assume every woman has been passed around by Chad. If she says she's slept with other men: "she was passed around by Chad and it trying to betabux me!" If she says she has a low n count: "she's lying and is trying to beta bux me!" There's nothing women can do to satisfy these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:20 PM
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You sorry for women who get rejected on that basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:11 PM
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Not inherently no, but a lot of men who are insecure will say they prefer low n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:29 AM
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Oh god... that lie is making it's rounds again. That's something found in flies. Not human beings. Did you even read the article you posted? Say that was true though, would you care about n count if a condom was used every single time? I bet you would.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:26 AM
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Why are you sorry? For assuming, or because he got rejected on that basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:22 AM
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I'm not the person you initially addressed, but I'll do my best to answer your questions as well. Are icks conditioned through negative memories or do you see something for the first time and your body just decides “yup this is an ick”? Both, but I don't recall ever getting the ick from someone I've just met unless they do something really gross or annoying. Have you ever restored your attraction to someone who gave you an ick? Someone I'm simply attracted to? No. Someone I love and care for? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:10 AM
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Not sure, nature isn't perfect. There may be zero utility for this, or maybe it's to promote diversification in the gene pool to avoid effects of inbreeding.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:56 AM
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Female sexuality is broken. It's as dysfunctional and inappropriate for modern life as rape is as a reproductive strategy. In what way? Do mind elaborating?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:51 AM
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Why si he thinly one getting a shit deal? In the situation you described, it looks like they're both settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:00 PM
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Youth in women is attractive. That isn’t true with men. Oh, but it is. I'm under the age of 25 and while I do find some men in their 30s good looking, they're nowhere near as attractive to me as men in their 20s. I'm sure that will change as I age, but for now older men are not attractive to me, both physically and mentally. I'm in my prime childbearing years. I want a man who's also at peak fertility. Not some washed up middle aged man, who wouldn't or couldn't settle down until he hit the wall…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:58 PM
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an app a few years back that showed what women looked like without makeup. More like what women would look like 10 years into meth addiction or alcoholism. I tried that app when it first came out, but entered a picture of myself with zero makeup on whatsoever to test it's validity, and it still made me look fucked up lol Even my husband entered his picture to see, and the "no makeup" result looked like the end result of botched plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:38 PM
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Men now have higher rates of obesity than women in the US. It agree though, the obesity epidemic is disturbing. As someone who isn't from the US, it was fucking shocking to see what people have done to themselves when I visited.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 02:22 AM
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Yup, and why is that? And why does it have bearing on any specific individual?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:16 AM
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You initially said: A man’s league is who he can get sex from, while a woman’s league is who she can get to commit. I'm pointing out why that's false. There are plenty of men who can find casual sex, but not a woman who's willing to commit. Women who have causal sex don't want to commit to the guys they have it with either, but if she isn't willing to have sex with a man in the first place, she absolutely isn't going to commit to him. An average penis does not have the same value as the average …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:57 PM
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I don't know... if a woman won't even have sex with a guy, she's not going to commit to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:51 PM
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Everything you've said applies to men as well. I would curious to see what divorce rates would have been prior to the 1920s. I know this is anecdotal, but I volunteered at an old folks home for a while, and a significant amount if older women had told me they wish they could have gotten a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:50 PM
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No, I agree that what the victim did was 100% justified. I just wanted to see what people on this sub's thoughts would be after I applied some of the arguments I read on other forums, were people were trying to spin what happened to the rapist as some sort of violation of a man's rights.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:06 AM
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No, I agree that what the victim did was 100% justified. I just wanted to see what people on this sub's thoughts would be after I applied some of the arguments I read on other forums, were people were trying to spin what happened to the rapist as some sort of violation of a man's rights.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:06 AM
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You didn't read the article, did you?
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:05 AM
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No, I agree that what the victim did was 100% justified. I just wanted to see what people on this sub's thoughts would be after I applied some of the arguments I read on other forums, were people were trying to spin what happened to the rapist as some sort of violation of a man's rights.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:04 AM
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No, I agree that what the victim did was 100% justified. I just wanted to see what people on this sub's thoughts would be after I applied some of the arguments I read on other forums, were people were trying to spin what happened to the rapist as some sort of violation of a man's rights.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:03 AM
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No, I agree that what the victim did was 100% justified. I just wanted to see what people on this sub's thoughts would be after I applied some of the arguments I read on other forums, were people were trying to spin what happened to the rapist as some sort of violation of a man's rights.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:03 AM
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Why?
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:02 AM
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I wasn't trying to imply I sympathize with the rapist (I don't, he deserved it). I was just wondering what people on this sub-'s thoughts would be after I applied arguments I heard on other forums regarding this specific issue.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:01 AM
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I'm not from the US. I am also asking if morally a person would be justified in taking such a course of action.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 08:00 PM
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Did you even read the article?
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:26 PM
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Fair enough. In the article I posted though, the victim was male. I purposely chose to avoid posting an article with a female victim to avoid a potential bias, although it probably didn't matter since most people appear to not have read the article. Thank you for your time though.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:24 PM
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No, I 100% agree with you. I'm just trying to see what people's opinions on the matter are here, as I recently came across a discussion in which the overall consensus was that a victim does not have the right to inflict irreparable physical harm onto their attacker in such a vengeful manner. Especially if they had other options of deterring the attack.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:21 PM
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Maybe I should have worded my question better. Say a victim bites their attacker during the attack. But, if they could have gotten away without biting him, should they be charged with something? What if the victim knew with certainty that their life was not at risk, and they still chose to inflict irreparable harm onto their attacker?
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:18 PM
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Some (not me) may argue that such an extreme course of action being taken by the victim is unnecessary and vengeful, as it causes irreversible damage to the attacker. e.g., if someone punches me in the face, I'm not allowed to chop off their arm in retaliation or to prevent them from punching me again. What are your thoughts?
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:12 PM
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Understood, my question is more along the lines of whether or not such methods are extreme and vengeful.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:09 PM
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Some (not me) may argue that such an extreme course of action being taken by the victim is unnecessary and vengeful, as it causes irreversible damage to the attacker. e.g., if someone punches me in the face, I'm not allowed to chop off their arm in retaliation or to prevent them from punching me again. What are your thoughts?
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:04 PM
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How far back are we talking? Because "abduction for the purpose of committing a sex crime," emerged as the legal distinction for rape in the late Roman Republic. You also answered my question with a question.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:02 PM
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I don't believe sexual assault would justify this. Some people define forced oral penetration as sexual assault, others define it as rape. Which definition are you working with here?
/r/MensRights02/07/22 06:56 PM
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If the attack was already stopped and then it happened Agree with everything else, but what do you mean by this? How else would the victim have ability to bite of the attackers penis if the attack was no longer continuing? I am also curious to see whether or not people think such an extreme course of action being taken by the victim is necessary or permissible.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 06:55 PM
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The other gentleman gave you the statistics being 16% so let’s be agree on this fact right ?! I've never opposed such statistics. I’m pretty sure majority of feminists would not be in favor of that! Many, if not the majority of feminists are against the draft in general. Of course, there are different coalitions with different beliefs that form amongst feminist groups, which is kind of my point. That's all. I just see posts such as this one and question whether or not many of the people on this …
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 04:40 PM
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I'm just pointing out that some people are genuinely unaware that women have served, and even pointed out my family members have after I was basically accused of being full of shit. We said men represents the vast majority of army, which is confirmed by statistic facts. Never denied it. I’m pretty sure majority of feminists would not be in favor of that! Many, if not the majority of feminists alive today oppose the draft. I’m pleased you also like it ;) I know you're being sarcastic, but had you…
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 04:34 PM
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I know... but the fact remains that marriage and dating statistics would look much different if young women were actually attracted to much older men. Not every man is a red piller. Many men look to get married, as do many women. If young women were really interested in much older men, we would see higher rates of marriages between older men and young women, but we don't.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 09:57 PM
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Okay, but most of us don't... if we did the majority of relationships and marriages would have large age gaps, but they don't. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow for a lot of RP men, but that's just the way it is.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 09:47 PM
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Men like younger women I'm not denying that. I'm pointing out that young women don't like (much) older men.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 09:43 PM
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Yeah, I get that it's a sexual strategy, but I'm pointing out that the majority of young women aren't interested in even having sex with older men simply because we aren't attracted to them. It also doesn't matter if the girls went along with it. That doesn't excuse what happened. Those girls were being abused, and taken advantage of. No caring parent in their right mind would be okay with a 30 year old man fucking their teenage daughter who's still highschool.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 09:39 PM
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I used to know high schoolers dating 30 yo men when I was in hs. So you knew of predators who targeted teens... jesus... Regardless, the majority of young women aren't actually interested in much older men. Again, if they were dating and marriage statistics would reflect that. Unless they have daddy issues, teens and young women aren't dating older men because we're just sooo attracted to their wisdom and experience. It's because there's something to gain.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 09:33 PM
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Okay but that’s still older than them right lol? Sure, but it's still within their age range. When RPers say "young women prefer older men," they're not talking about a 21 year old and a 23 year old. They're trying to say young women prefer men 35 and older, which just isn't true. Even speaking for myself, I'm simply not attracted to much older men.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 08:11 PM
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but 17-18 yo men could decide if they wanna go to the military and war That's also fucked. Aren’t women supposed to mature faster? Supposed to? What do you even mean by that? The only time I ever hear that sentiment is when older men want to justify pursuing teenagers. Women like older guys anyways If young women preferred older men, marriage and dating statistics would reflect that. They don't though, because we don't like much older men. The average age gap in marriages in the US is 2.3 years,…
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 08:06 PM
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Put women in the draft. Let's have some equality. I agree. I said that in my original comment, and people still felt the need to argue with me. Lol Look up the white feather society. I know what the white feather society is. They refused to take on responsibility. Who's "they"? Do you mean women? Feminists? On August 30, 1914 in the city of Folkstone, Admiral Fitzgerald gave 30 women the duty of handing out white feathers to men who were not in uniform. 30 women... over 100 years ago. So again, …
/r/AntiFeminists30/06/22 08:00 PM
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Not many men enlisted. Exactly, not wanting to enlist doesn't make women hypocrites. The majority of men don't want to enlist either, and I don't blame them. They were forced in, sent to the front and we're killed. By whom? While the women stayed home and absolutely nothing bad happened to them. How that the fault of women or feminists? Why are anti-feminists, who generally claim to care about men, so insistent on women and the draft instead of preventing men from being drafted and hauled off to…
/r/AntiFeminists30/06/22 05:55 PM
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It's very feminist of you to insist other people "don't know you" Not sure what that has to so with being feminist, most people (regardless of their political leanings) don't like strangers making assumptions about their character. I literally said I wouldn't have an issue with women being drafted, and your knee-jerk reaction was to be snarky and essentially tell me I'm full of shit. Why? and yet you assume that others are ignorant. It wasn't to be snide, some people genuinely aren't aware that …
/r/AntiFeminists30/06/22 05:41 PM
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I literally have no issues with a draft including women. Women have also fought in wars btw. In case you didn't know.
/r/AntiFeminists30/06/22 02:48 AM
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How many men enlist?
/r/AntiFeminists30/06/22 02:47 AM
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but that's how these guys think. They think that paying for a meal means they're owed sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:30 PM
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You literally know nothing about me. Why are you desperate to continue pushing the narrative that women and feminists will always be hypocritical about this? There are women who enlist.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 10:29 PM
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I'm a feminist (I guess), and I'm fine with this. So...
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 09:00 PM
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The funniest example of this I've ever seen was my friend's dad who said "young women actually do prefer older men, just look at Tony Soprano" Yes, he really thought a fictional TV show was proof
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:11 PM
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Which stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:09 PM
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The women they want have options, so they'll have to compete. And most of them (the men on this sub) can't, which is why they're mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:08 PM
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If you want to split the bill, you can't complain she didn't have sex with you. That said, it really depends. I personally think ther person who did the asking or chose the venue should offer to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:07 PM
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Isn't feminist just the ability to choose? I've met tons if feminists who are married with kids.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 07:35 PM
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These women that think them getting older is valuable to men are delusional. I've never made such a claim, and most women understand that like men, their SMV decreases with age. I'll go to an experienced man who has dedicated his life to his craft. There are plenty of women who've done this as well. There is nothing worse than a late blooming philosopher with a load of unearned wisdom. Agreed, now how does that apply solely or majorly to women? You don't have a personality outside of enticing ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:34 AM
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It's find it funny a young married woman is going out to get ogled and hit on by old men. I still go out with my friends, pursue my hobbies, work and spend time at the university I attend. I can't help it if people choose to "ogle" me. It does when the person makes a big deal about being self-assured, wants to start arguments with people about their opinions, and has a large stick up their ass. So any women who isn't naive behaves like that? What about men who aren't naive? I mean... are some pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:58 AM
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I think it's funny that old ass men are constantly hitting on you and your friends. "constantly" You keep putting words in my mouth. I didn't say constantly, or only. Why is being disgruntled and angry so great? Not being naive doesn't automatically equal "disgruntled and angry." more believable then the women age like fine wine narrative. It's not. Literally nobody ages like fine wine. We all get old, wrinky, and saggy. It is what it is. be with a who thinks she is worth more than she is becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:58 AM
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I know you will never believe me, but I'm not old. I'm just sick of annoying old women like yourself I'm not old. I'm in my early 20s. Sorry if that doesn't coincide with your narrative. Lol shaming men I just see these guys for what they are. I don't give a shit if they feel shamed when people say it's gross. It's even funnier to watch how butthurt they get when they're rejected and publicly mocked by young women. (Me and my friends will do it when older men pursue us.) Why would any self-assur…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:24 AM
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No it isn't, she just believes it because it makes her feel good about getting old. Literally everything you're saying here is exactly what bitter men tellt themselves to feel better about getting old. Stop projecting. She is getting less dates, and less attention with age. As is he. He has no reason to lie to himself. Sure he does. Either he sees his prospects dwindling, or he was sexually unsuccessful earlier on in life and can't handle the fact that getting older and his situation didn't impr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:41 AM
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You cannot trust lawyers or activists when they say 'i intend x.' In short, while that's a noble goal i don't trust lawmakers from new york. So... exceptions should not be made in instances of rape or medical complications? What point are you trying to make? Are you actually familiar with the Reproductive Health Act, and what is means? I don't understand how this applies to abortion, even metaphorically. You're the one who brought up going outside in one's day-to-day life. Because in that case a…
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 05:12 AM
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If a man who is older believes himself to be better it is is because he has knowledge and experiences (as an older person) that he can point to justify the belief. This is the same reasoning older women give. I'd prefer a woman without the bullshit in her head because it is easier for it is for her to learn than it is for the miserable hag to unlearn. Translation: younger women have less experience, and are therefore less likely to pick up on red flags. They may also have less confidence and les…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:52 AM
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Because it's been shown to significantly lower rates of infanticide.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 03:36 AM
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because it's preferable to the up to 9 month abortion legalisation democrats have proposed So I took a look at the article you linked, and it's in reference to the The Reproductive Health Act (RHA), which legalizes abortion past 24 weeks of pregnancy if the woman’s health or life are at risk, or if the fetus is not viable. What the article you linked *does not mention, is that prior to the RHA, New York law put pressure on doctors to wait for a medical condition to worsen and become life-threate…
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 03:33 AM
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You silly little creatures always use that tired "they dont really care about men..." I've seen men who actually care about men, and I've seen men who use "men's rights" as an excuse to shit on women. Similar to how there are feminists who truly care about women and girls, and rad-fems who just hate men use feminism as an excuse to justify misandry.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 03:15 AM
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What have I made up?
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 03:12 AM
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yes abortion in the case of extreme circumstances like rape, incest What does it matter? If protecting the fetus is relevant because it is seen to have some inherent value, that inherent value is not reduced because of how it came to be. It will still develop, in time, into a human being provided it doesn't miscarry like 10-15% of most pregnancies. some of these happen in life and are unavoidable parts of life. here are some i have had to go through at one point or another when leaving home: You…
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:17 AM
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They're just mad we aren't interested. Then you're suppose to be butthurt about it after "hitting to wall," in order to give them the sweet revenge they were hoping for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:40 AM
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Sad, because I'm actually in support of men's rights, and do think there are areas in which men are shafted or not offered adequate support. It's obvious though that these people don't really care about men, they just don't like women.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 12:01 AM
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What happened in your story is not the same as the stock standard reality that male victims face. Which is? Have you even bothered reading statistics regarding reproductive coercion, teen pregnancies and domestic abuse? The woman in your story My story? It isn't my story. I merely linked an article to a case. convinced a stranger she was old enough to legally consent She convinced him? According to what? Did you even read the article? Abelseth wrote in her statement that she had woken up on the …
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 11:30 PM
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13 year olds are clueless. I also knew adults shouldn't be pursuing me at 13. Was I wrong/clueless then? Looks like you never grew up. So myself and every other adult who sees how cringy and gross it is just never "grew up"? How do you figure that? What about people who didn't realize how gross and cringy is was, until they became adults?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:46 PM
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yes her kid, she created by having sex. it is not a 'the' it is the consequences of what she is doing. Unless she was raped. regardless most of these are things you can get by going outside Wrong, many of these complications may arise unexpectedly. Going in, she doesn't get to decide if there are no medical complications. Things that cannot be prevented from just "going outside" include (but are not limited to): • Molar and ectopic (nonviable) pregnancies • Change of foot size/plantar fasciitis …
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 10:35 PM
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Please work on your reading comprehension. I'm saying that even at the age of 13, I knew it was cringe/creepy/gross. I'm now in my early 20s, and my opinion hasn't changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:12 PM
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it's her body and her kid's body that are being affected. "the kid" Zygotes, embryos, and fetuses in the early stages aren't children. Regardless, it is her body be affected. Pregnancy has life long medical implications. Potential side effects and risks of pregnancy and childbirth for women include, but are not limited to: molar and ectopic (nonviable) pregnancies • body aches/back pain • change of foot size/plantar fasciitis • edema (fluid retention) • astigmatism • blindness • heat rash caused…
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 09:48 PM
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Child support should just be abolished altogether. People (men and women) should not have to financially support their children? All that would do is either hurt the child, or place the financial burden onto tax payers. if and when it is the woman who broke the contract. Are you referring to the contract of marriage? What is my business is when women get to decide major life altering events without my consent, such as forcing me to pay child support. You still seem to be ignoring the fact though…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:46 PM
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How is it embarrassing to get a 20 year old woman when you're 40? That guy is winning. My dad use to be friends with a guy who dated 18-20 years olds well into in his 40s... and the cringe factor was off the charts. Even at the age of 13, I could see it. We all knew why they were really there, and everyone use to snicker and laugh behind his back.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:39 PM
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People change as they get older. Both men and women make decisions in their day to day life and their sex life that they regret. I would be worried if the person I was with in their 30s still behaved as they did in their late teens-early 20s. Both men and women change as they grow. As a result, what they want and need changes too. Funny though, that you're only applying this to women. Tons of guys go through years of FOMO, and then mid-20s (at the earliest) tend to get serious. Yet, a guy who pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:29 PM
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If a father really wants a baby but the mother doesn't want to after she gave birth she can sign a paper and give up all her rights and responsibilities to that child and the dad can take over. Fair is fair. If he assumes custody, she has to pay child support if he requires or requests it. Sounds pretty fair to me. Sidelining the father while still forcing him to pay his wages to the mother When did I say men should be sidelined? Oh, that's right. I didn't. Men can sue for custody, most if them …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:02 PM
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Exactly... biology isn't equal. Which is why it makes sense that woman has the final say in whether or not she has an abortion. It's her body, and her health. What's unfair is that a woman has to suffer physically for nine months probably longer carrying a baby while the men don't suffer at all? I agree that women should take the guy's opinion into account but let's not pretend that pregnancy will affect both parties equally. You say this is a win for equality, but it's not. With abortion being …
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 06:52 PM
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Yes they can... While we mostly hear of mothers abandoning their child, fathers are not exempt from this practice. According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway, mothers, fathers, and even legal guardians have the right to give an infant up at a Safe Haven location. if a woman says you are the father they can sue for child support. And the court will determine whether or not he is the father. In almost a dozen states, men have won the right to use conclusive genetic tests to end their finan…
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 06:43 PM
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I take it you didn't read the full article, and have little to no knowledge of rape statistics, and how rape cases are conducted? Not to mention, Abelseth got pregnant when she was 16 and Barnes was 30, which means the encounter, even if consensual, would have amounted to statutory rape. In Louisiana in 2005, the age of consent was 17, as it is today. Also love how you didn't bother touching on any of the other articles I linked. You can read more about it here, here, here, and here. If a man wi…
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 06:34 PM
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So what is your stance on abortion I'm pro-choice. do you believe the government should not have the right to dictate personal medical decision Yes. that the government should not infringe on bodily autonomy? Up to a point. People are incarcerated after being convicted of a crime, police may require check swabs or finger printing (with a warrant) to conduct an investigation. Breathalyzers and drug tests may also be ordered. A hospital must follow rules and regulations when offering treatment, re…
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 06:32 PM
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This is a legal statute, not a court decision. Family courts are under no obligation to follow that statute as they have no oversight. To which the man then has to option to: a) Affirm the decision of the court. b) Appeal to the Court of Appeals. or c) Remand the case to a trial court. Here is how things typically go for male statutory rape victims. Do you see the differences? I'm not denying that male victims of rape are delt a bad hand. I'm pointing out that the same thing happens to women. Th…
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 06:07 PM
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She has the power to terminate any pregnancy It her body, why shouldn't she? or give up the kid for adoption. Wrong, unless the father is absent, she needs the fathers permission to give the child up for adoption. and only the man has to pay for it! Only the man? How do you figure that? ... aside from the fact that she paid with her body, women are financially responsible for their children as well. That is unfair and that is why men are angry. Men and women are treated equally under the law. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:55 PM
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When women get pregnant it is entirely her choice on whether or not she has a baby; and men have zero right to even say anything about it. So, I think you are viewing the right to an abortion as the right to be childless. What are your thoughts on the idea that abortion is the right to not be pregnant and to not give birth? It seems intuitive that abortion is about the right to not be pregnant and to not give birth. If the sole reason women got abortions was because they didn't want children, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:12 PM
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How convenient for the man. He gets to nut and dip, and all responsibility is placed on the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:03 PM
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Feminists aren't a monolith though. I've spent a lot of time in feminist online spaces and have seen that "should men have an opinion" is a commonly debated topic. I highly doubt the majority of feminists saying "no uterus, no opinion," are the same individuals now saying "were is the support here from men." On the contrary though, I've seen anti-choice men say men should still be granted "paper abortions."
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 05:01 PM
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It varies from state to state, but men are allowed to contest paternity. In almost a dozen states, men have won the right to use conclusive genetic tests to end their financial obligations to children they didn't father. Women have been charged and have gone to prison for paternity fraud. I'm happy to link more articles if you're interested. On the contrary, women have also been ordered to pay their rapists child support. Not sure why I was downvoted though. Nothing I've said is factually incorr…
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 04:53 PM
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It's women's fault men have to pay for their children? Anyone who says this doesn't really care about men. Taking away women's rights does nothing to help men and boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:33 PM
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Do you mind elaborating? What do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:32 PM
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I have a decent amount of knowledge ont his topic. It's because baby farming become rampant, and child poverty got even worse. Even churches were banned from offering support to single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:30 PM
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I don't get it. Was the individual who made the first shirt the same person who said the quote below... or is this just another strawman?
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 03:57 PM
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when men were complaining about how we have no say in preventing abortion How would that work? Why should men be allowed to tell women what to do with their bodies? or being forced into parenthood and decades of child support against our will, even if we can prove we are not the biological father. Paternity fraud is recognized and punished as a criminal offense. Deliberately giving false details on a birth certificate is a criminal offence under the Perjury Act 1911 and is punishable by imprison…
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 03:54 PM
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Pro-choice is a matter of bodily autonomy. Women aren't allowed to abandon their children either, and Safe Haven laws apply now to fathers and even legal guardians in every State now.
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 03:49 PM
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You and I both know that paternity fraud happens I never denied it happens. I'm pointing out that it is a crime, and is punishable by imprisonment. The woman is never punished for it either. Women have been charged and have gone to prison for paternity fraud. I'm happy to link more articles if you're interested. On the contrary, women have also been ordered to pay their rapists child support. Either way, I'm still not sure what your point is. Are there improvements to be made to the legal system…
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 12:08 AM
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A woman can engage in reproductive coercion and she will almost certainly face no consequences. She can just go and get an abortion if she decides that she doesn't want a kid yet or go through pregnancy. If by reproductive coercion you mean lying about being on birth control, then we're in agreement. Now how does taking away women's rights and options help men? She can choose to tell a man he is going to be a dad when she knows it isn't his kid. No she can't. It varies from state to state, but m…
/r/AntiFeminists26/06/22 07:49 PM
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I think if those were resolved such that older men were physically indistinguishable from young men, the average age gap in relationships would probably go up. Probably, but we'll never know. Appearance is definitely a major factor in attraction, but it's not the only one. Relatability is more important than people give it credit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:40 PM
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I have just found it interesting that everyone seems to know what a woman is now but asking that question last week would have got a long winded circular reference. I don't give a shit about Matt Walsh and his culture war grift. All the shit is such a giant distraction, and an aid to further divide people. Less than 0.3% of the population is trans, so it just seems pointless and virtue signal-y to rigidly use woke language when referring to an issue that predominantly affects women. If a teen gi…
/r/AntiFeminists26/06/22 05:30 PM
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Yes, but that doesn't explain men who say 18-21. I've seen many men here say even 15-21 (I know, gross) is the prime childbearing window, which is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:08 PM
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Pretty much. Are my happily married mother and grandmother bitter and jealous? What about my dad, is he also just some post-wall feminazi? These guys seem to completely forget that a lot of people are parents who simply don't want to see their kids being taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:07 PM
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Sure, but appearance isn't the only reason I prefer men within my own age range. Relatability is a huge factor for a lot of people, of all ages. I'm also not even talking about this mysterious anti aging technology. I'm just saying that currently, as a young woman, I'm not attracted to much older men, regardless of how much money they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:34 AM
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My point stands. Which was? I also never claimed nature was fair. I see a lot of middle aged men, and men approaching middle age here say they are primarily attracted to women in their early 20s. The thing is though, we're not attracted to them, and I know it upsets a lot of these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:26 AM
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by unattractive older men. :) No, not "unattractive older men," older men in general. They're simply not attractive to me (yet, maybe that will change as I age).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:20 AM
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Do you really give a fuck about trans people? Or is this just an attempted "gotcha"? Other than a tiny percentage of trans men, pregnancy and birth are issues that predominantly affect women.
/r/AntiFeminists26/06/22 07:19 AM
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Huh? I'm a young woman and I don't want older men. Finding find them attractive, and rarely do they pursue young women with good intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:16 AM
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Well the younger women still have lower n counts and less emotional baggage And we don't want middle aged men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:14 AM
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Having some boyfriends and travelling to thialand or whatever isn't something me or most guys care about. Is that all you think women do with their lives? What "greater life experiences" have you had? Depends on the person. Some people start their own businesses, receive or upgrade their education, raise families, develop their emotional intelligence and interpersonal skills, master a hobby or a craft. I know one woman who's into extreme sports and works with endangered wildlife. It really all d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:12 AM
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Older men aren't optimal to reproduce with either. As a woman in her early 20s, it would be a waste to reproduce with a man over the age of 30. All that would do is increase the risk of deformities, auto immune disorders, chronic illness, autism, and other neurological disorders. My pregnancy would also be lower risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:00 AM
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Sorry, the free market says otherwise. Rarely do older men approach much younger women with good intentions. As a woman in my early 20s, I've always avoided much older men. They tend to be boundary pushers, and bank on my assumed lack of experience in order to get away with as much as they can. This is advice I pass over to other girls and young women as well. They also get really mad when younger women reject them. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:57 AM
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You realize prime child baring ages for women are between 23-30, right? That age group has the lowest rates of complications, and maternal and infant mortality associated with birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:54 AM
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Mother nature does that with literally everyone. Other than 0.0001% of extremely wealthy individuals, men aren't more blessed as they age. They get old, sterile, and unattractive as well. Such is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:52 AM
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Usually pretty creepy, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:51 AM
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It is a stunning win for the equality movement. How? Men still don't have to go through pregnancy, labor, and birth. Men don't have to deal with their (long term) health and life will being put at risk. Men do not endure the side effects from pregnancy, and the pain from labor and childbirth. Men are not subject to postpartum aftermath, and how it impacts a woman's mental and physical health.
/r/AntiFeminists25/06/22 07:52 PM
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Men can do that too.
/r/AntiFeminists25/06/22 07:51 PM
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A weird complaint, but in high school and shortly after, guys use to tell me I was too skinny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 02:43 AM
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Not really in this case we are talking about the fact the the woman is pregnant with a mans child. Exactly, she's pregnant. Not him. She will have to endure pregnancy, labor and birth. Not him. Given the fact that you're willing to make exceptions in instances of rape goes to show you don't really care about the supposed life of the embryo or fetus, you just think men should have a say in what women do with their bodies. Even though pregnancy, labor and birth will never be something he has to en…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 11:18 PM
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Is termination and prevention the same thing? Never claimed they were. Although, you do understand how IUDs work... right? While the copper-coated IUD prevents pregnancy by not allowing the sperm to fertilize the egg. It also prevents fertilized eggs from implanting in the uterus. An IUD coated with progestin works in a similar way, as it thickens the cervical mucus and thins the uterine lining. What an odd and purposely stupid comment to make, all in order to try and make my point look bad, whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 11:08 PM
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I guess that last point definitely has a lot to be worked out. So you admit you haven't fully thought out the matter, but want what you "believe" to be legislated and enforced by the government? Bruh...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:35 PM
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Giving people a free pass to deny human life because they got horny is an extreme level of degeneracy and moral failure. Doesn't any form of contraception do this? Hell, even pulling out does this. Are married couples "degenerates" because they want to fuck, but don't want (any more) kids? Or does this only apply to those filthy, dirty, unmarried sluts? at the end of the day chastity is 100% effective. Almost every person who preaches chastity would be furious if their partner stopped having sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:33 PM
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We all know that wouldn't happen though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:17 PM
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You underestimate law enforcement's ability to gather evidence, or meet a quota. Especially with the help of private investigators.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:15 PM
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No because the birth of a child affects the life of man. Not physically. Again, this is a matter of bodily autonomy. Life isn’t fair. Couldn't I just say that to justify my standpoint? The ruling wouldn’t change anything unless the claims were false/lies. In that case someone will get tried for murder Again, this is logistically unfeasible. You do know rape has an exceedingly small conviction rate, right? Such legislation would do nothing but get rape victims wrongfully convicted of murder, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:13 PM
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An investigation ensues, and if evidence of an (out of state) abortion is found, arrests will be made, and charges will be filed. In Texas, Senate Bill 8 also allows anyone to sue anyone who performs or aids in an abortion, marks an unprecedented change to who has standing to bring a lawsuit. Under the law, anyone can sue anyone who performs, aids or intends to aid in an abortion — regardless of whether they have a personal stake in the abortion performed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:56 PM
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Because it's his kid An embryo/first trimester fetus isn't a kid. What you've proposed only solves issues pertaining to parenthood. Not pregnancy, labor, childbirth, and all the associated risks and complications. She will still be subject to all the side effects, and risks to her (long term) health and life that may arise from pregnancy, labour, and birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:51 PM
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It's still a horrible precedent to set, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:49 PM
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Did you even read the links I provided? Are you aware that Texas had set up a snitch line for women whive travelled for abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:48 PM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:47 PM
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Why does the woman decide if a man will be a father subjected to 18+ years of child support? Nice pivot. Are men on this sub capable of discussing bodily autonomy without bring up child support? It took two to bring that child into the world it should take two to agree to remove it in a humane and timely manner. It took two to conceive a pregnancy. Not carry that pregnancy to term. He will never have to experience pregnancy, labor, and birth. Also rape/sa removes the abusers choice in this occas…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:47 PM
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Did you read the sources I provided?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:37 PM
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They'll smirk and jeer at abortion being banned, but continue to advocate a man's right to have a "paper abortion."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:35 PM
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You think that's why the majority of abortions occur? Just look up the correlation between repeat abortions and human trafficking. Not to mention, married couples, and women in committed relationships have abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:34 PM
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Didn't you know? On PPD, only women are responsible for sexual responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:32 PM
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Doubt. In the 1800s, England enacted what was known as the Bastardly law, which absolved fathers of parental responsibility to their bastard offspring, and even forbade churches from charitable support to single mothers. This was done partially in an effort to restore 'female virtue'. It didn't work. Instead it lead to baby farming.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:31 PM
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I don't think abortion is anything to scoff at, but it is a medical procedure that people should have access too. A lot of people also aren't looking at the bigger picture here. If the government can determine that "saving a life" is grounds for revoking bodily autonomy, what's to stop mandating blood/organ donations? Now take it a step further, if the government has a right to revoke bodily autonomy, what's to prevent them from mandating abortions or sterilization? These kinds of things happen …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:26 PM
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with the consent of both parents What if the supposed biological father votes against it? Why is he allowed authority over a woman's health and body? He's not the one who will be subject to pregnancy, labor, and birth; as well as the side effects, pain, and health risks posed by pregnancy, labor and birth. Not to mention, this would be a perfect method for abusers to trap their victims. It's also philosophically inconsistent to say abortion is murder, but exceptions should be made in cases of ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:21 PM
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The issue that people don't want to acknowledge is that a huge portion of the women that need abortions are the type that had risky sex because they thought it was hot and it turned them on. Assuming this is true, so what? Plus, Republican legislators are now looking to ban certain forms of contraception as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:16 PM
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Do you people understand the concept of state sovereignty? All it does is delegate power from federal legislators to state legislators. It doesn't improve an individual's freedom, and instead allows state legislators to revoke a federal protection. Not everyone can afford to "just move," and states absolutely can and will pass laws forbidding their citizens from getting abortions in other states.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:12 PM
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"I know some guys..." Yeah... I said some, not all. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 02:57 AM
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If you're not supposed to expect relationships to make you happy, then what's the point of being in them? This means something more along the lines of not placing your entire worth, or happiness on a relationship as it's unhealthy both for you and the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:48 AM
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How is what I've said extreme?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:20 PM
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Correction, I should say causal sex. I know guys, who wouldn't be considered the top 20% (by this sub's standards at least) who have no issues both finding causal sex, and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 09:45 PM
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I'm pointing out that the ont of children a person has isn't what determines their value.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 05:46 PM
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I know guys you wouldn't consider to be the "top 20%" who are having sex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:54 PM
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huge LMAO everytim Huh? I'm not saying it's a bad thing for the guy. I'm merely stating that if a woman doesn't care what a man thinks, she won't care if he doesn't see her as relationship material either. If she doesn't see him as relationship material, and only wants to fuck him, why would she bother holding off?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:37 AM
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That was just one example. There are guys who will buy drinks and other gifts for women they only intend to sleep with because "who cares? I'm not she's not going to be around for too long" BUT, will be far more conservative at first with women they think they may want to commit to in order to get her out, and ensure she isn't a gold digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:04 AM
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It varies from person to person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:59 AM
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Not really, it could merely mean that a woman who sleeps with a man on the first date doesn't see him as much more than a walking dildo, so she doesn't care what he thinks. Whereas she cares what a man she deems relationship material thinks, so she doesn't want to sleep with him too quickly and portray a negative image of herself. It doesn't mean she's "sucking his value," she just wants to approach things differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:58 AM
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Ok so I hate defending that thought but it's a statement on what winners can get away with. Not really. They were attempting to make the "key and lock" analogy, and how it's worse (immoral) for women to sleep around, but not for men to. I was even berated for saying that as a low n count woman, I don't want a high n count man. and then use it against those of us who didn't. How am I doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:56 AM
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Kinda my point though. Men will also treat women they deem to be relationship material differently, and may not be so quick to pursue sex because he cares what she thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:27 PM
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Did I say all men do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:25 PM
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I've seen multiple men on this sub state men should be able to sleep around, and still settle down with a low n count women when he's ready. I've seen this said both by men who want to sleep around but can't, and men who DO sleep around, but don't want to commit to a woman who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:24 PM
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That viewpoint is tunnel vision caused by spending too much time on reddit/purplepilldebate etc I agree, I don't think most men think this way. I'm referring to RP and PPD men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:10 PM
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Nah, I've met men like this. They have an idea in their head as to what constitutes as girlfriend material, and will be far less pushy with women they intend to commit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:09 PM
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I believe nature is hypocritical, both men and women are attracted to different qualities in each other. Being attracted to different qualities isn't inherently hypocritical though. Hypocrisy is holding others up to a standard you don't hold yourself to. It's giving yourself a pass for behavior you would judge other people for; and claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which your own behavior does not conform. All I asked was if it was hypocritical for a woman to want a man who earns mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:03 PM
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Long term? No, but many men will take it slower with a woman they know they would want to commit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:57 PM
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I don't think it's a bad thing. I'm merely pointing out that men will do the same thing they begrudge women for doing. (Will sleep around with women on the first date, but will take it slower with a woman they're interested in committing to.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:56 PM
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I do acknowledge it. So you agree that those men are hypocritical? Is it hypocritical for a woman to want a man that earns more then her? Yes. Gold diggers and bums who expect to be provided for, while they don't pull their own weight are absolutely hypocritical. I know a woman like that. She refuses to pursue higher education, or even work full time, but expects a wealthy man to swoop in and provide her with a luxurious lifestyle. Of course people are allowed to have unrealistic or hypocritical…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:50 PM
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What do you mean it’s a cop out? It's a way for you avoid having to acknowledge that many of the same men are guilty of doing exactly the thing they complain about women doing. Is it also hypocritical to want a 6’ man when you aren’t 6’ tall? Bad analogy. One is a physical attribute, the other (n count) is indicative of the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual. That's like saying "is is hypocritical to want a man with penis when you have a vagina?!?!?! Hurrdurr gotcha!!" A far…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:42 PM
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The "I don't care" argument is a cheap cop out, and irrelevant when discussing principality. I'm not personally concerned with the sex lives of other women (or even most men) but I have the ability to recognize hypocrisy, and patterns of behavior. If women care about promiscuity, then they should enforce that standard for men. The ones who do care, do enforce that standard. Men don't like it. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:26 PM
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Isn't that what men do though? They'll have causal sex with exciting, but bitchy, slutty, and unstable women, but will then take it slow with a woman they're actually interested in settling down with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:17 PM
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But then they get upset when there aren't enough virgins or low n count women available for them to settle down with. They want just enough women to sleep around if it increases their chances of having causal sex, but they also expect a young virgin/low n count women to be available for them when they're ready to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:13 PM
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I wouldn't say the amount of kids someone has is what determines their value though. The obese single mom I saw in Walmart has more kids than some of the attractive, and intelligent women who attended and completed STEM programs at prestigious universities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:02 PM
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You can leave a relationship with ease nowadays. It's easier than leaving a job. Yes, because you can work, keep your earnings and support yourself. Before women had the option to pursue a career or even keep their earnings from low paying jobs (seamstress, maid, secretary) it was very difficult for them to leave relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:50 PM
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which as always women largely pushed men into Women pushed men into working dangerous jobs? When? This is exactly what's happened, your employer tells you what to wear, when to be there, who you're allowed to talk with, and commonly tells you you're not allowed to talk. Women have always worked, and had to put up with this anyway. The only difference now, is that they can pursue higher paying careers, and can open a bank account to keep or invest their earnings.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:46 PM
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Damn not sure, but I'll bet those women aren't the same ones who chose to be self sustaining, partially in order avoid an abusive relationship. Like, wow... you really got me there. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:43 PM
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mainly the shift from prioritizing family and communal health with individualism and consumption. This isn't a woman thing, is not due to women working. This is an issue that society in general is both facing and perpetuating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:41 PM
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What he means, is that women have the ability to leave a marriage or a relationship, as the policies that prevented women from leaving, or even staying single no longer exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:59 PM
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since they are hell bent of bossbitch-ing themselves out of the market for it. Kind of a snarky and disingenuous way to put it, tbh. The reason women want to work, and earn our own income is because we don't want to be dependent on a man, which could lead to being trapped in an abusive situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:57 PM
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that hungry look Bruh... no. If I had a dollar for every time an older man thought I was into him simply because we made eye contact... Same reason high school girls get crushes on older teachers. I've seen that happen once, and he wasn't even old. He was the 25 year old gym teacher, and it was 3 girls who were 16 and 17. (He didn't pursue it.) Seriously though, it wasn't too long ago that I was a high school girl. We weren't crushing on middle age teachers because of their "sexually confident e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:32 PM
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I know, but my point is that young men will seize the opportunity as well, should it be presented to them. You said: With women, it can be more than that. Younger women will date older men if they feel that they can get something out of it. I'm pointing out like young women, young men will date older women they aren't actually attracted to if they feel they can get something out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:58 PM
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I think it's also a scare tactic, employed to convince vulnerable and impressionable young women that their only shot at stability is to settle down young with a much older man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:36 PM
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Young men will also try to date older/wealthier women if they feel they can get something out of it. There are men who have married women from wealthier countries for the sole purpose of obtaining citizenship. Not to mention the fact that wealthy, older white women from America and western Europe are beginning to indulge in sex tourism as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:30 PM
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I've even seen men on this sub attempting to make the "it's evolution" arguement, by saying "women have evolved to seek a provider" when trying to 'prove' that young women are attracted to middle aged men. Like... Yes, many women want a man who can provide. But throughout the grand scheme of human history, older men being providers is a fairly new phenomenon. Alimony and inheritance didn't exist either, nor did 99% of the material wealth we have access to today. If he died, there was nobody left…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:18 PM
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Good point, I thought by attention he'd meant it was verbalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:01 PM
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As a woman in her 20s, I agree. I have a friend who's 24 and is literally dating a 43 year old woman. Not casually either... like... he moved into her place. It ain't right, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:52 PM
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Teens are going after a man in his 50s? How common is this? The only teen girls I've ever known to pay any attention to middle aged men were being sexually abused by an older man (usually a family member). I know you said you do not reciprocate that attention, so I'm not accusing you if anything, but damn. That's genuinely concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:50 PM
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Of course, they were all from poor countries. The young American women that I chatted to were invariably not attracted. The women from those poor countries aren't actually attracted to you either. They're just pretending to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:46 PM
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Are we really going to compare some of the side effects during pregnancy to a guy spending 18 years providing for someone else’s kid? No. Where has a comparison been? I'm merely pointing out why it can feel like a slap in the face for a woman, and that the matter should be discussed beforehand. Please work on your reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 09:24 PM
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Because there are far more men than women on dating apps/sites. On tinder (for example) the male-to-female ratio is 9-to-1.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:17 AM
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"How dare you say it's possible for me to cheat ME? I'm practically a goddess of fidelity and trust, take your non invasive, simple, inexpensive, accurate test and get out, I'm taking the baby and the house and blah blah" I take it you didn't read a word I said? I merely explained why it can feel like a slap in the face for a woman who's just endured pregnancy and childbirth. Nobody likes being accused of cheating. Especially without reason, and especially if they've gone through everything that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:36 PM
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Agreed, but people don't even make friends to drink at parties with. A lot of people don't understand that finding a partner, or even causal sex is heavily reliant on socializing, and having hobbies that allows them to meet new people. Not tinder, and not the one-off night out at a packed nightclub where everyone is shitfaced and the music is blaring.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:51 PM
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But it's getting worse every year, and has be accelerated further by the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:49 PM
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Well yeah... that's kind of my point. Unless someone has reason to suspect, it can be utterly insulting to be accused of cheating. If a man wants to verify paternity for his own piece of mind, I would say just get the test done privately.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:44 PM
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A lot of sexlessness isn't due to online dating or 80/20, but changes to the overall structure of society we've experienced over the past 10 years. One would be car centric cities and a lack of a public "3rd place" (outside of home and work) that has existed for centuries. In car-dependent suburbia, you can't even bar-hop or run into a friend on the street. It's definitely something I noticed when I spent time in Europe, and lived somewhere walkable. Car culture is isolating. Another one is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:34 PM
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How is "I need to make sure the kid is mine" any different from "I need to make sure you didn't fuck someone else, and try to pass the baby off as mine" ...? Unless they had someone sort of open relationship agreement, what else would it mean? The only way the kid wouldn't be his is if she cheated (or was raped and didn't know, or tell him.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:25 PM
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But woman's opposition to it naturally demonstrates a complete lack of empathy with the situation. What's the big deal in asking for a paternity test apart from ego. Like you said it's simple, inexpensive and non invasive. Not that paternity fraud isn't an issue, but questioning paternity must be a huge slap in the face for a faithful woman who just endured through 9 months of pregnancy, then labor and birth. She went through morning sickness, and had to deal with the pain and potential complica…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:18 PM
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Honest answer? Because one of the best ways to find people to date is to be social. To broaden your horizons by engaging in hobbies and expanding your friend group. So when someone says they're unable to find literally anyone, it is assumed they barely leave their house, and rely on tinder or other dating apps to find partners. I remember while back on this sub, I asked how many people had even left their homes in the past 3 days... a lot of people hadn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:12 PM
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These guys then put the blame on younger women for not settling for older men they aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:06 PM
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This guy actually thinks hot men struggle more int he saying world than average women... lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:05 PM
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Women in general? No. In the world of dating? Yes, but only if you're an attractive woman, especially of high socioeconomic status. Every other aspect of life though? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:05 PM
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Not trolling or ignorant. If you're an ugly or average women, you have to put in effort too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:26 PM
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Not trolling or ignorant. If you're an ugly or average women, you have to put in effort too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:25 PM
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Yes you can. They've done social experiments on this on youtube. Imagine thinking 99% of those aren't staged. Even if you're not brave enough to do that, a dating app would work just as easily. I've done the whole "make a profile as a guy, make a profile as women" thing. It wasn't that hard for me, as the guy, to peak women's interest. I also did the "make a profile as a hot girl, and make a profile as an ugly girl" thing. The ugly girl profile had a harder time then the fake profile I had made …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 05:11 PM
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I guess it depends on the woman, and what stage of her life she's in. After high school, dating was never the focal point of my entire existence, but finding a healthy and stable relationship was always high up on my list of priorities. I also enjoy sex and it was fun meeting new people, even if it didn't go anywhere. You hit the nail in the head though when you said "men who have these problems only have their jobs and maybe video games." Many of these guys have nothing else going on, and focus…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 05:03 PM
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My point, is that women aren't to blame for sexlessness. Although, I disagree with your assertion that women can "get sex as easy as breathing." You think I can just walk up to any man and say "let's fuck" and he'll be like "okay"...?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 04:53 PM
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Men aren't preoccupied either?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 04:51 PM
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Sounds like you just want a justification to treat women like holes to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:26 AM
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Nope, men hit the wall around 35. Their testosterone levels drop, as does their fertility. They're also now completing with young, fit and energetic up-and-comers in their 20s and early 30s. He may be great for his age, but that's all he'll ever be. Great for his age.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/22 12:23 AM
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Lol as if he's such a prize. Most middle aged men in the US are fat, beer-bellied, balding, and are beginning to sag due to the rapid decrease in their testosterone levels. Both men and woman's sex drives decrease as they age due to the hormonal changes their bodies go through.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:18 AM
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They'll say all those men are beta buxing for sluts who rode the CC, and are now settling down after "Chad" discarded them. They think that because they're miserable, everyone else must be too. RP has rotted these guy's brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:12 AM
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The issue is though, most younger women aren't interested in these older guys. So we end up with a bunch of middle aged people, were the men will have causal sex with women of their own age, but won't commit. They want the younger women, who don't want them. These guys then complain about being 40+ and still single, and think it's women's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:09 AM
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You realize that sexlessness going up includes women's well, right? It's not something only men suffer from.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:01 AM
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Yup, I just wish RP and PPD men realized this as well. I've seen multiple men on this sub try to say high n count men, and even men who cheat are actually high value, because it proves how desirable they are. rolls eyes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 08:19 PM
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Actually, men are far more likely than women to divorce their spouses when the spouse suffers a serious illness, or becomes injured. And they mostly won't succeed. Irrelevant. The intent was still there. They still made he choice to cheat, or at least attempt to. If given the opportunity, they would take it. But they have to face rejection and put in effort, where women don't need to, the effort is done for them. Your point? (Assuming that's true.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 05:34 AM
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How old is Chad? If he's in his 40s, he's past his prime. Either way, if this even real, that woman is an idiot and a terrible person for leaving her husband like that.
/r/TheRedPill16/06/22 01:58 AM
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Again, women are hypergamous by nature men are not. To what point? Women are also human beings who (like men) want love, support, and an emotional connection. Very very rare that he would have women doing the work for him. That still doesn't mean men won't approach, pursue, and even leave their wives for women they deem to be an upgrade given the chance. Ashley Madison is a perfect example of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 10:00 PM
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but if someone even better shows up, theres gonna be a temptation for the woman. Not that she will necessarily give in to it. This applies to nearly everyone who isn't 100% satisfied with their SO, not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 09:28 PM
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All that does is tell me women begin legal divorce proceedings more often than men, not that women are trading up. In fact, 2020 statistics have shown that men generally remarry faster, and more often than women do after a divorce, or the death of a spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 09:26 PM
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The average man, if he can secure a relationship, will usually be with the ones that the Chads don't need in their rotation that much. Why do RP and PPD men think every women has been in "Chad's" rotation?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 06:39 PM
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Then why infidelity statistics show that men cheat more? Not trying to do a "gotcha" btw, just trying to make sense of this. I didn't look for "who's the strongest/hottest/most popular" when I was choosing a mate. I go off of chemistry, physical attractiveness, character, goals, and emotional intelligence. I married now, and wouldn't think of "trading in" my husband for someone wealthier or more successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 06:37 PM
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Yes, this is why (and I know men on this sub are intent on denying it) most women don't want high n count men either. Many of us will be left wondering: • if we don't measure up • if he's likely to cheat, • if he has a history of mistreating women • or if his prospects began to dwindle, so he settled for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 06:26 PM
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It depends on what the responses consist of. I'd would rather get nothing than be flooded with responses from people who don't give a shit about me, but just want to use me (for whatever). Either way, such a situation would prompt me to reflect on, and re-evaluate my technique, as well as the message I'm putting out there about myself. But that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 06:15 PM
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Women generally look at this behaviour as if he were some evil, scheming predator. Not saying this applies to every man, but there are men out there who will use intimacy and guilt tripping tactics as a way of getting sex or sexual content from women before ghosting, and then likely laughing about stupid women are for buying into it. Those are the men women refer to as schemers and predators, and it's usually obvious when a guy is trying to coerce or a guilt a woman into have sex, with zero conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 06:08 PM
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But most want a return on investment. Treating sex and relationships as transactional right off the bat may be why he has issues with intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 06:05 PM
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He first tried to build a emotional connection with you, then asked for sexual content. Not to be too cynical, but there are men out there who will pretend to be emotionally invested, or even guilt trip in order to get sex or sexual content. After they get what they want, they'll ghost, and laugh about how stupid women are for buying into their schtick. I've seen it. These men could totally hire a prostitute, but they don't because it removes a lot of the validation and feelings of power and dom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 06:00 PM
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In other countries, men would never do this as they can just go get intimacy directly from a women they fancy who is young and sexy. Which countries? By young and sexy do you mean age appropriate (within the same age range), or are you under the impression women in their 20s are flocking to (nearly) middle aged men? They are not paying to see you topless, they are paying to have an image of you that they only have (or believe they do) of you topless. I doubt most men are that stupid. Most millen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:53 PM
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It’s not weirdos paying for this stuff either. Lawyers, engineers, and everything in between So... weirdos who are lawyers and engineers. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:48 PM
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That's either a blessing or a curse depending on what the guy is looking for, and the kinds of messages he receives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:47 PM
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For real. I'm one of these balkan/eastern European women these guys fantasize about. I remember I was telling some guy on this exact sub that we aren't attracted to western rejects, and he just wouldn't accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:38 AM
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I don't even agree with many RP ideas in the first place. because many men come to RP firmly entrenched in the anger phase? They stay like that, and RP only exacerbates their tunnel vision as it offers them confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:41 PM
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Not without the father's permission, if he's present.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:01 PM
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Sis you mean to respond to me? I'm not the one who saying someone is obligated to tolerate someone's bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:00 PM
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How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:59 PM
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It isn't merely about bodily autonomy. From a legal and philosophical standpoint, it is. We can claim that in a country where mutilating the genitals of infant boys is still a mainstream practice. Circumcision of any kind being performed on children should be outlawed. Women can choose whether or not they have those children, men cannot. Women have the choice to terminate a pregnancy, as pregnancy and birth is something that impacts their health and body only. Men aren't subject to the pain, ris…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 08:05 AM
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This conversation always becomes about baby trapping and stealing men's sperm, to paint the concept of childsupport as some horrible oppression against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:21 AM
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So many people here don't understand that abortion is a matter of bodily autonomy, not taking responsibility. Women aren't allowed to abandon or neglect their (born) children either, and can absolutely be sued for child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:18 AM
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but somehow forgot to include reverse pregnancy rape - baby trap. The majority of child support cases are between married or separated couples. Not women stealing a man's sperm or baby trapping him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:14 AM
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How is that violated if a woman keeps the pregnancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:13 AM
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You do realize the majority of child support cases are amongst separated or divorced couples, right? Not ONSs or "she stole muh sperm" situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:07 AM
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This is a giant strawman. Who's saying abortion makes a woman "strong and empowered"...? All abortion does is allow a woman to maintain autonomy over her own body.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:59 AM
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Her best is the benefit she provided to previous parters, in the exact same timeline with the exact same demands/expectations put upon those previous partners. Okay, but why? Yes. You're fucking disgusting if you want someone to do something they hate that they were pressured or manipulated into doing. Yes. I hired a private investigator to find out everything about miss moral's past. Wtf lol How would a private investigator find out which day she tried anal, or 69'd a random ONS? All jokes asid…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:54 AM
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No you really don't. You have sex with messy attractive guys. That's different. Women will absolutely guys they're attracted to, but wouldn't want to date. But I see men having kids into their 60s and 70s all the time so it's a false equivalency. I guarantee you, more than have of those pregnancies were conceived via IVF or through other fertility treatments. Women have had children in their late 50s and even early 60s through fertility treatments as well, but I'm not going to pretend that repre…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:39 AM
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If she chose to do them, then yes. How is that her best though? If she freely allow them to happen, then yes. Does this include giving in to coercion or manipulation? Even if it doesn't, why do you consider something she tried and hated to be her "best"? They are allowed to move at a slower pace. Just not with me. Why not? Why would want someone you supposedly love and care for to feel pressured or obligated to do something they aren't comfortable with? It is if said thing provided benefits to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:30 AM
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Many guys will have sex with women they would never date. Women don't usually do that. We do. Men don't have biological clocks They do. I take it you've never heard of andropause, or the risks associated with older fathers? Because women don't value physical attractiveness as much as men do. I'll try and find it if you're interested, but a recent study has shown that the freer a society, the more women value physical attractiveness in a mate. Even speaking for myself, if I'm not physically attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:22 AM
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Not obligated. I will leave if the woman in question does not give me her best. No obligation. Again, what do you mean by best? Allow me to correct that. "I will get what I want or I will leave. You get what you want in return. If the terms are unacceptable to you then it was nice knowing you. I wish you the best in the future" Just seems cold to do to someone you supposedly love and care for. Threatening to leave unless they do exactly what you want, when you want it is borderline abusive. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:19 AM
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And guys chase the top percentage of women. I've literally seen obese men say they won't date fat women because "it's worse for a girl to be fat," or men who've slept around say they wont date a high n count women because "it's different." They don't lower their standards until they're forced to This applies to men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:50 AM
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If she did anything for one of her previous partners I get the same, the same amount of times in the same timeline. Geuine question, have you ever been in a LTR? That's extremely rigid, and just not the way healthy relationships organically unfold. If she accepted or tolerated anything from a previous partner then I get to do the exact same things the exact same amount of times and I get the exact same consequences or lack of them for said thing. So victims of abuse are obligated to do things do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:46 AM
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A 10 will sleep with 5, but he won't commit to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:39 AM
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It's always the same complaint in one way or another. "Men in their 20s don't want to commit" is the common slogan of women looking for an LTR. That's the common slogan I hear from men as well. "Women in their 20s only want to fuck Chad and ride the CC." However thanks to various statistics (and testimonies from men in their 30s) we know that women in their 20s overwhelmingly go for the top percent of men and by "top percent" we are not talking qualities that make for good boyfriends, but simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:35 AM
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The reason why someone else got her best is not relevant. I want her best or I am not interested. Her best means doing things she isn't comfortable with? How? Would you say a victim of rape or emotional/sexual abuse is obligated to do things they don't want to do, simply because they were forced to in the past, and how the other person got their "best" is irrelevant? Genuinely asking. My partner deserves my best Agreed. However, I wouldn't say doing things you don't like or aren't comfortable wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:30 AM
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If her abusive asshole ex got more from her in bed, why shouldnt the new man who treats her well get the same stuff or better? Because for all you know, she didn't actually like doing those things, but was pressured or coerced into doing them. If a man let his ex put a finger up his ass, is he then obligated to allow his next girlfriend to do that, even if he hated it? Of course not. If a man paid for an expensive first date in the past, is he then obligated to do that for every other woman he d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:22 AM
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More like I want my partner's best What do you mean by your partner's "best"? and whatever she did/allowed/tolerated in her past is part of it. "tolerated" ... ... what do you mean by this? Can you provide a few examples? She can bring more to the table. Her past is the evidence of it being possible. So she's obligated to continue doing something she doesn't like because she tried/did it in the past? This sounds a lot like "she did anal with an ex, so now she has to do it with me. Even though sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:44 PM
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These people think everyone should stay exactly the same as they were since they 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:44 PM
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If you have a FUNDAMENTAL problem with trp existing...then you're probably not up for the debate part. TRP isn't what it use to be. Are we really going to pretend it doesn't predominantly attract men who have strong feelings of anger and resentment towards women? Are we really going to pretend there aren't tons of self proclaimed RPers with an agenda who push the "women age like milk, men age like wine fine" narrative?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:31 PM
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The loss of the ability to pairbond doesn't impact women more than it does men. I'm not sure why RP men are so intent on selling this narrative. the inability to be attracted to her looksmatch How would that happen from sleeping around? Who says the men she's sleeping around with are out of her league?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:25 PM
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Because he has this fantasy of settling down with a young, beautiful women when he's 40, while all the sluts who rode the CC and rejected him will end up miserable and alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:23 PM
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Not sure what point you're trying to make. Should she have settled down with someone she isn't attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:20 PM
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women in their 20s are sold this fallacy that sleeping around is empowering. And men aren't? Plus, I don't think it's so much as "sleep around," but more "don't rush to settle down with someone, as it's better to first establish yourself and figure out what your values and goals in life are." As they slip into their 30s there is a realization that her biological clock is ticking and she must settle with some schmuck that she doesn't desire. This is a strawman. Why is it always the "she settled f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:10 PM
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Is that what you need to tell yourself? That women must always be lying or leaving something out? Why does it break RP men's brains so hard when people genuinely prefer someone within their own age range, and of similar experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:44 PM
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Making false accusations and slandering a man's name on social media (without proof) isn't punishable under law. People can absolutely be charged with defamation, which is a statement that injures a third party's reputation. The tort of defamation includes both libel (written statements) and slander (spoken statements). Sadly though, like revenge porn laws, charges rarely occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:40 PM
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That happens to women as well. There are men who will spread rumors about women to destroy their relationships, or send her workplace her nudes, or other intimate content. There was a post a while back even were a guy deepfaked some nudes of a woman who rejected him, sent them to her work and got her fired. Somw people are just pieces of shit. It's not a woman thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 05:40 AM
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Same reason men have tried to dictate womanhood for hundreds of years. People are selfish and entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 05:37 AM
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My comment was about their public perception by the females at large...that they were handsome/sexy men even when they were old... Yeah, by older women and celebrity magazines. The same publications that praise Jennifer Lopez and Kim Kardashian for their beauty. Are they good looking? Sure, but for their age. Same goes for Clooney and other aging male celebs. The fact that young women may find a handful of middle aged celebrities attractive doesn't negate the fact that the majority of young wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 05:20 AM
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Im pro-man's gain. How does it help men to leave women destitute when they have dedicated their lives to their husbands and children? If she is not good enough to his standard, why should she be treated as a worthy one? Are you saying men should be allowed to toss their wives out onto the streets with impunity? You think a woman deserves nothing, even after having sacrificed her own career prospects to support her husband, and take care of their children and home? You really want to set someone'…
/r/MensRights13/06/22 12:26 AM
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Women can just, you know, man up. Earn more, put in more tax for their group. Hard to do when women are taking care of their children, their, homes, their husbands needs, and are working part time. You seriously think women who chose to have families deserve to be left destitute? This obviously benefits someone - men could get way better social services Sounds like a re-allocation of tax revenue is needed then. In the US, the amount that goes into corporate subsidies and the military industrial …
/r/MensRights13/06/22 12:16 AM
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By whom though? Women in their 20s, or women in their mid-to-late thirties and early 40s? Amal Clooney was also 36 when she married George. Sean Connery's first wife Micheline Roquebrune was 1 year older than him, and his second wife Diane Cilento was only 2 years younger than him. It's not like he married a 22 year old when he was in his fifties. Anyhow, you can "b-b-but Leonardo DiCaprio and George Clooney" all you want. The fact that young women overwhelmingly prefer men within their own age …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 12:01 AM
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Mothers who stay to take care of their children, their home, their husbands needs, and even work part time are worthless? How? Why are you so anti-woman, and anti-family?
/r/MensRights12/06/22 11:52 PM
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Men aren't a monolith. The majority of resources are also consumed by elderlycl citizens over the age of 75. I don't see how cutting women, who are members of our society, off from social services benefits anyone.
/r/MensRights12/06/22 11:51 PM
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You... think a celebrity couple is representative of marriage and dating statistics as a whole? Just lol... You seem to be missing my point about the statistics. What's your point? I've posted multiple statistics pertaining to marriage and dating statistics both world wide and in the US, and you've posted a pseudo-psychological article, and a picture of a celebrity couple. And it's comical to think that women with cellulite and wrinkles are the most fertile and thinking early 20s women are the h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 06:46 PM
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Are we really doing this? You are going to claim that dating apps didn't become big in the last few years? Online dating has been around before dating apps became popularized. How old are you? I'm only asking because I know people who were online dating before 2014. The unrestrained hypergamy and women who are ugly or mid having options to have sex but no relationship with Chad from dating apps is a recent thing. Then why are the majority of women still dating and marrying men within a 5 year ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 06:08 PM
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This data isn't from before online dating. Online dating began in 1995, and rose to prominence in the 2000s. A 2020 study shows that long-covid does not commonly exist, why might that be? False equivalency. A covid study surrounds a recent epidemic. Sexual attraction is as old as humanity, and online dating predates the study I posted anyway. What's you're point though? That online dating has somehow shown that young women prefer much older men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:57 PM
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Online dating was around in 2014. Tinder was launched in 2012.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:52 PM
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Again, then why is the average age gap in the US is 2.3 years? Dating and marriage statistics have repeatedly shown that the majority of women prefer men no more than 3-5 years older than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:47 PM
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The average age gap in the US is 2.3 years. Dating and marriage statistics have repeatedly shown that the majority of women prefer men no more than 3-5 years older than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:46 PM
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Yes, which is exactly my point. Most people prefer someone within a 5 year age range. Women prefer an older man, but on average, by no more than 2-5 years. Middle aged men may want a young woman, but young women don't want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:42 PM
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Then why to statistics show that women prefer men within a 5 year age range? If young women were really attracted to much older men, dating and marriage statistics would reflect that. Sorry, but the study you posted is full of anecdotes and pseudo-psychology, and does not reflect the reality of dating and marriage statistics. Women are statistically more likely to marry men who resemble their fathers in hair colour and eye colour, and women with older parents may be more likely to marry older me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:38 PM
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Why bother with the exception? I mean... I've seen some complete knockouts in their late 30s and 40s and some gross, skanky-ass 21 year olds. It just seems weird to focus on the exception to rule. Even if a man is good looking for a 40 year old... that's just it. He's good looking for a 40 year old. Young women who are looking to settle down aren't going to do it with a random 36 year old guy who couldn't get his shit together until he was pushing 40. They have their pick of attractive, age-appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:25 PM
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Why don't you believe me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:22 PM
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That doesn't make sense though, if you're arguement is predicated on evolution and that "women have evolved to seek a man with resources and power." In the grand scheme of human history, older men being providers is a fairly new phenomenon. Young women didn't evolve to be attracted to older men. Yes, women want men who can provide, but back in the cave days, alimony and inheritance didn't exist. Nor did 99% of the material wealth we have access to today. If he died, there was nobody left to prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:21 PM
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These are the current trends... Which country are you referring to? In the US, both men and women are waiting until around 28-32 to get married, but still marry someone within a 5 year age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:16 PM
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Yeah, I can lost a few links if you're interested, but women are not more fertile when they are young, this is a pedo lie people tell to pretend the unhealthy power dynamics they have fetishized are actually some biology thing. A woman’s pelvis has not fully opened and the bones are not finished growing in a teenager. That is why the rate of mortality during childbirth is higher in younger mothers. Women’s pelvises fully open between 25 and 30 ish. If men were attracted to fertility, their turn …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:14 PM
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What? I'm providing statistics regarding the commonality of age gap relationships. When given the choice, women prefer men closer to them in age.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:40 PM
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Actually, the freer the society, the less common age gap relationships become. Some of the biggest gaps in marriage ages could be found in Senegal (7.8 years), Mali (7.1 years), Morocco (6.9 years) and Albania (6.2 years). Among African nations, a smaller age gap exists in Rwanda at just 2.6 years. Basically, when women are free to be dirty, hypergamous sluts, they actually prefer men with their own age range. It's when women have no choices they end up being married off to older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:37 PM
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Why would a young women who wants to have lots of children want to do it with a middle aged man though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:36 PM
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Women over 30 can still have health children. Yes, their fertility has begun to decline (as does men's), but it's around 38-40 that the risks really begin to set in. Pwopel think the younger a woman/girl is, the lower the risk is of complications. However, women and girls under the age of 25 actually have higher mortality rates associated with pregnancy and childbirth than women between the ages 26 and 39.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:32 PM
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We do. I'm a woman, I do. Nearly all of my female friends do. My mom did.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:26 PM
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Well, yeah... an attractive in shape 40 yea told women will look better than a fat 35 year old with bad genetics, who's been drinking and smoking for the past 15 years. We're referring to the rule though, not the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:25 PM
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Not true. I used to get made fun of by guys for having a flat ass. I also have a friend who's in good shape, but she's tall and has very broad shoulders. She's been told she looks manly by guys. I also have brothers, and have heard them and their friends tallifn about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:23 PM
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I'm a young woman and this is how I feel about older men. Most of them are jaded, and extremely entitled. Not worth it. I also just don't find them attractive, and I would be left wondering if they really love me for who I am, or if I'm just a young toy to play with and then discard or cheat on when I'm "too old." I don't care how high they think their value is. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:17 PM
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Nbody here is saying women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:14 PM
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This is already how it works, and for the most part, it's fine. I know women who pay alimony and child support to men. Why should someone be left destitute after they gave up their opportunities so that their partner could pursue a career?
/r/MensRights12/06/22 11:13 AM
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Why are other men entitled to the assets and money of other men?
/r/MensRights12/06/22 11:12 AM
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Same with tax money. Unless money only comes from other women, it should not be spent of supporting women in any way. What do you mean by this?
/r/MensRights12/06/22 02:46 AM
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Anything either partner made, or had before the marriage should remain theirs. BUT, if one partner stayed home, raised the kids, took care of the house and everything else (and maybe even worked part time) so that the other partner could pursue their career; the stay-at-home parent is entitled to half of the household earnings. (Whether they are male, or female). I agree though, that 3 years of dating or marriage, especially when there are no kids involved doesn't warrant alimony. It's really a …
/r/MensRights12/06/22 02:44 AM
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Yeah some of these guys really need to understand how unsettling and unappealing they are (irregardless of my relationship status). I've had guys pay for a meal (not an expensive one) or even just one drink and then get butthurt or ghost after I wouldn't hook up with them. That does suck. Let me guess though, in 10 years these are the same guys who will complain about women being sluts who sleep with men on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:05 AM
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I get that but if that happened to me, I would've told the bartender no I'll pay for it. Idk where you're from (and I don't mean that in a snarky way), but once something is paid for... it's paid for. The tab is closed, and I'm not about to walk up to, and interact with random men to offer to pay them back on something I didn't even ask for, because they were hoping for sex. Then, knowing how most people are in those types of situations. I would've left. Boom, no drama. That's what I tried to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:50 AM
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Right??? If you have to say you're normal, it means you've been called weird by more than just couple of women. Red flag. Another one is "what? You don't like me?" sad face I'm married, but I'll literally just be like "no" ... because fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:42 AM
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Yup, I feel. They probably either don't want to pay, or can't afford professionals such as yourself, so they prey on random women (or even girls, which is disgusting). He probably uses hun, babe or baby too. Its a tell. Oh god... he did. "Sweetie" was another one. "I got you"... like, fuck off. But ew though... hagglers? Wtf. Disclaimer (because it's PPD): I'm not saying all, or even most men are like this. Just the creeps who try to intimidate ot manipulate women into having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:21 AM
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Oh god... yeah, these guys can gtfo. They're usually the same men who say "I don't pay for sex." They can literally hire a professional, such as yourself (if you accept). But no, paying off a $30 tab and then screaming at people is the better course of action. You have more guts than me btw. I just wanted to get out of there. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:10 AM
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To each their own. At that point though, I just wanted to leave. Plus, fuck him. He can lose the $30. Why should he get it back? It's not even about the money anymore, it's the principal. He didn't even want the money back either. He wanted sex, and was hoping to intimidate or manipulate me into sleeping with him by paying, and then attempting to guilt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:47 AM
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Because wtf... dude needed to learn. Don't pay for people's shit without asking. I literally offered to pay him back after he got pushy, and he wouldn't accept. He was fucked and screamed at me in the middle of the restaurant. Wouldn't that let him know that you weren't interested and ensure he felt no entitlement towards you? I hadn't spoken one word to him beforehand. I didn't "let him" do anything. I went to pay my tab, and was told by the bar tender "this guy (points at the guy I've been avo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:39 AM
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If he asked me, and I don't plan on pursuing the matter any further, then yes, because I wouldn't him to feel used. (Unless he was a total creep/asshole.) If I asked him out though. I offer to pay the entire bill regardless of whether or not I'm interested. I'm of the mindset that the person who did the asking or chose the venue should pay. This hasn't been an issue for me since I was 20 though, as I'm married now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:33 AM
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I wasn't the one who brought up paying for dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:27 AM
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Same, but this guy literally just paid for it without even asking. Like went up to bar and said he was getting my tab. I didn't even know until after he paid. It's not even like we were talking either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:26 AM
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Women CAN derive pleasure from casual sex if it's good or she really desires the guy. Okay, but I'm not referring to casual sex in general, but instances in which a man more-or-less used a woman's body to masturbate, and didn't put in any effort into her pleasure. don't see how this relates You said she receives the "added benefits if not the sex is great is the fact that they are in fact intimate with the person they like." So I'm saying, that even if he paid, he spent time with a person he lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:18 AM
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At first no (because wtf), but he started getting pushy so I offered to pay him back, and he was all like "I don't want your fucking money."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:14 AM
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And they get all indignant about it too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:04 AM
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It's all relative, someone's value to a 20 year old (for example) may decrease as they age, but to their peers (people within their own age range) they're fine. My uncle is in his early 60s and has said he won't date anyone under the age of 50. He's far happier than the 40-50 year olds who case 20-25 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:43 AM
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They really think they're value inherently increases with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:30 AM
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Ah, understandable. I tell women they don't owe men sex because I don't want women to feel as though they're bad people for turning downs persons sexual advances, and potentially being manipulated or gaslight into doing something they're uncomfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:29 AM
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Which I why I clearly said can get mutual pleasure out of sex. How? How can a sexual encounter be pleasurable for a women if she receives zero pleasure or satisfaction from? So that problem usually solves itself. She wouldn't know he was a selfish lover until she slept with him. The added benefits if not the sex is great is the fact that they are in fact intimate with the person they like. Not that I think men are obligated to pay, but couldn't that apply to men paying for a dinner as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:27 AM
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Because men who see women as walking cum buckets don't give a shit about women's pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:25 AM
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Men think paying for a date, that they asked a woman on, entitles them to sex. Some random guy once paid off my bar tab, and then started pestering me to come out to his car. My entire tab amounted to like... $30. I didn't even know this guy, and he looked like he was at least 15 years older than me. He just paid it off without asking me, and thought that entitled him to sex. D E L U S I O N A L
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:23 AM
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Why say that then? Who here is saying men are obligated to pay for an expensive meal on the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:16 AM
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If a guy legitimately thinks the man in every couple is more attractive I think they're just much harsher on women, tbh. Same goes for the whole "fine wine" narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:14 AM
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It's perfectly fine if a man doesn't want to pay for an expensive dinner on the first date. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:13 AM
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A person uses you for sex is still the girl and the guy getting mutual sex out of the scenario which can be enjoyable for both parties Men who use women for sex don't give a shit about their pleasure. Just ask women how many bad sexual experiences they've had due to men only prioritizing their own orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:12 AM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:11 AM
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Men can have kids even at age 90. That is exceedingly rare, and the men who do have likely done so through IVF, and other fertility treatments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:58 AM
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Isn't one of the main gripe here that women are shallow and obsessed with looks and height?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:57 AM
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What did she admit to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:56 AM
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Also, aren't these the guys who always claim women have it so easy because a 6/10 woman can still land an 8/10 man?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:55 AM
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Lol just trying to find an "aha! So it's you're fault because X."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:53 AM
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What do you mean women don't have any empathy? A lack of empathy is something found in found men and women. Just head over to r/freshandfit or any incel sub and you'll see men who don't give a shit about women, and even fantasize about hurting or degrading them. How are shitty women any worse than shitty men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:51 AM
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Is there anything women can do or say that doesn't enrage PPD men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:48 AM
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These guys think women have it so easy because there are men willing to use them as cum buckets.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:46 AM
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I have a question, why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:45 AM
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There are also a ton of "pick me" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:43 AM
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Nearly every group of guys I've interacted with shows a strong bias towards other men. Conservatives also aren't a niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 10:37 PM
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Not saying women don't do that, but what you said applies to men as well. Especially conservative leaning men, or men in RP/manosphere spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 09:05 PM
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Same, I'm fairly sympathetic, but I stop caring when men begin to blame, generalize, and say none of your advice will work and it's all women's fault because "hypergamy" and "80/20" or whatever. It's like listening to a fat person bitch about being fat, but instead of eating less and working out, they blame everyone and everything but themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 07:16 PM
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Yes, anyone who buys into the narrative that dating gets easier as you approach middle age has been sold a lie. As for your experience, the entire culture and mindset of city folk is different as well. People tend to be much less friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:36 PM
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These people are extremely dis-attached emotionally, and think every male-female relationship is inherently transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:24 PM
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Yeah, a lot of people are under the impression their options will be better in their 30s. I'm starting to see people reach that age, and realize that's just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:21 PM
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During the industrial revolution, 40% of all factory workers were women. During WW2, women were filling up women worked shoulder-to-shoulder with men in factories, on airfields, and on farms. They built parts for ships and aircraft and manufactured ammunition. They drove buses, taxis, and streetcars. Between 1940 and 1945, the age of “Rosie the Riveter,” the female percentage of the U.S. workforce increased from 27 percent to nearly 37 percent, and by 1945, nearly one out of every four married w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:20 PM
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Since the dawn of civilization, each person worked. It was necessary for survival. Since the industrial revolution, women and children worked in mines ...until it became illegal. http://nationalminingmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/FF11-Women-MiningCommunities.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:46 PM
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I know. They don't mind women working to help their husbands, but they don't like the idea of a woman actually having her own success and being able to navigate the business world. They usually reference stay at home moms or the 1950s housewife model. Which is why I then point of out, women have worked for since basically the beginning of civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:36 PM
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Ah, got it. No, it's not like the industry I'm in is full of wealthy guys with tons of clout. It pays a fairly average salary, and there is some manual labor required. Lots of my co-workers are students, with the rest being regular people in their 30s-50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:11 PM
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I would rather not say on Reddit, if that's okay. But I will say I work with people of all ages, many of them being in their 20s. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:07 PM
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How? For most of history, unless they were wealthy, women worked. The stay at home moms and housewives are an invention from the 1950s.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:05 PM
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I hear this a lot on this sub. However, I work with a lot of men who are "meh" in terms of physical attractiveness, and most of them seem to be in happy relationships with women who are also "meh" in terms of physical attractiveness. I've had only one co-worker who was single and open about having RP views (it got fucking annoying, not gonna lie). Anyhow, he subscribed to mindset that a guy is doomed to betabux if he's average, because women are shallow. The thing is, he wasn't even ugly. He was…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:51 PM
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Then why are so many men who clearly aren't the top 10% in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:36 PM
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Don't men too? I mean, they claim to only care about looks, but they usually want more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 06:28 AM
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We do? I mean, some women are pretty upfront with what they do and don't like, some aren't. When we are though, we're called cold. When we're not, we're told we're fake. So there's no winning. As for drinking, I don't think that's a gendered issue. Some people (men and women) are just obnoxious drunks, and their shitty inner-self comes out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:59 AM
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Women aren’t just going to fess up that they don’t consider men under 6’0” to be truly men Maybe women are being honest, and for some reason it's hard for you to accept that a man downstairs have to be tall and/or extremely handsome to be attractive. I think men under 6 ft are real men. I've even dated guys shorter than me. Most men I know are under 6 ft and aren't extremely handsome, and don't have issues finding girlfriends. faux virtue What do you mean? What's virtuous about being attracted o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:33 AM
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Sounds like a cop out, tbh. The guys I've seen date these women definitely had options. My SIL is the perfect example. She likely has BPD, and nearly every guy I've seen fall into her clutches definitely had options. Why are so many men here interested in holding only women accountable for bad relationships? Men have agency. They have the ability to leave a relationship. They can leave and find a less attractive woman. They just don't want to. Edit: maybe they even feel trapped in the relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:12 AM
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Then why do men in these online spaces say youth and looks are all that matters in a woman? I don't think either gender is more shallow than the other, btw. It really just depends on the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:07 AM
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Not sure what point you're trying to make. If it were an ugly obese woman awkwardly expressing her forever-aloneness, the men would be ripping on her. When it's an awkward unattractive guy though, the men here are bolstering him, and giving positive and constructive criticism. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:06 AM
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Hell, even as a woman, this strategy helped me immensely in my teenager years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:03 AM
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How is that any different from the stories I hear from men about attractive BPD women who cheat on them and abuse them, but these men will still out top with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:00 AM
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How is this a case of pussy lass denied? Is there some narrative out there that only men contract STDs or STIs?
/r/PussyPassDenied05/06/22 10:24 PM
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Just took a look at your sources. You do realize there's a difference between trafficking and sex workers who are in the industry of their own volition, right? The problem with these statistics is that there's little to no distinction being made between the two. Are you admitting now that most don't pay taxes ? No, I'm saying many do declare their income in order to pay rent, purchase assets, and/or invest their earnings. All that aside though, why is this shit being spread around again? It's ju…
/r/PussyPassDenied05/06/22 06:31 AM
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Where are you getting the idea that the majority of pornstars, strippers and escorts aren't paying taxes? Sure, the toothless crack whore on the street corner or backpage probably isn't, but where are people getting this notion that the majority of those in the sex industry aren't declaring their earnings with the IRS? Most of them want to be able to pay taxes on their earnings in order to purchase assets.
/r/PussyPassDenied05/06/22 12:19 AM
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I love how there's no proof that she's actually committing tax fraud. Anyone would be pissed at getting audited. Having your finances turned inside out would be exhausting even if you get a green light at the end. Ironically though, is that due to the 2018 "Thotudit" that occured the IRS now ignores these reports unless brought to them by an actual CPA or other Fiduciary Specialist.
/r/PussyPassDenied05/06/22 12:13 AM
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He wasn't a local, we both met in north America. Why are so you desperate to spin this as me being envious? so you want to prevent any other eastern european women from getting any better. What on earth led you to this conclusion? I don't care if other women to marry western men. I'm not trying to prevent anyone form doing anything. I'm merely sharing how we view western men who travel to disadvantaged countries in pursuit of sex or a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 09:57 PM
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Because it's witty and clever. /s
/r/ExRedPill04/06/22 05:34 PM
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You seemed to attack the idea of men going to more traditional areas in general (though you did emphasize those acting in bad faith). Because most of them are acting in bad faith. They have an idea of a traditional women, and basically try to buy one from a developing nation. There wouldn't be an issue if a man was acting I good faith, but that's not usually the case. I'm sorry, but nearly every woman I know who's married a westerner to move to the US or the UK ended up wanting leave him because…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 03:52 PM
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Wrong again. I didn't marry a westerner to move to North America. I was already living here when I got married, and the man I married is of eastern European descent as well. I get your type though. All you can think about is possible exploitation in every scenario. Yeah? Well I get your type. You would prefer I conveniently ignore the likelihood of exploitation. Are you eastern European? I doubt it, based off everything you've said. I'm merely informing you of what my parents and grandparents ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 03:48 PM
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So what if he finds dating easier in Traditional cultures? But why? Why does he find dating easier in traditional cultures? Not that it applies to every man, but you've already answered this question: Traditional relationships do give a lot of power to the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 11:11 PM
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To the above average American guy in his 20s or 30s, you'll eat them up like hotcakes. Wrong. Those are the ones to watch out for the most. An above average American man, who's traveling to a developing country in pursuit of sex or a relationship? Giant red flag. I know this is pretty dark, but in all seriousness, that's how women from those countries disappear, or end up being raped, assaulted, or trapped in abusive situations. I don't say that lightly. Others like you will be embittered at wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 10:37 PM
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I didn't say American men in general. I said American men who travel abroad to pursue women in Europe or disadvantaged countries. I agree that American dynamics between the genders overall seem to be fucked up and that both men and women contributing to the issue are to blame for this. I think it's you who lacks reading comprehension skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 07:59 PM
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I mean, I could easily say the same thing about my own stance, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 07:56 PM
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Im not the one generalising here Did I generalize? No, i dont agree that american men are any trashier than american women are You think American women are trashy, but not American men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 06:21 PM
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All women? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 06:15 PM
1

This is based off of?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 06:14 PM
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they'll devalue him because his attention is supposed to be focused on THEM, some average (4-7), chubby girl with a very flawed personality with deep commitment issues, and not on the 8/10 Latina or Eastern European with great looks and a family-oriented personality. I'm eastern European. I'm one of those women these guys try to get with. I'm telling you, that as an attractive eastern European woman in her early 20s, we are absolutely disgusted by most of these men. We literally laugh at them. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 05:44 PM
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Ask any average looking young women these days and she'll tell you that there are multiple guys trying to get with her. Do you mean actual orbiters, or just guys who send out the same message to literally every girl they can, hoping that maybe one or two will respond? Also, atleast I came up with statistics that validate my statement, would love to see yours. (and I mean that genuinely) Maybe you would be interested in research showing that men tend to overestimate their own level of attractiven…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 04:46 PM
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As someone who isn't from the US, I think so too. Other societies don't seem to have this issue. They have issues, sure. But not this one. What I find even funnier (in a sad-cringe way) is that American men will blame women for the issue, and try pursuing women form other countries. Do they realize women from other countries don't want them either? Why would attractive European women be genuinely interested in some bitter neckbeard from 'Murica? We would literally laugh at those guys who went th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 02:34 PM
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It's the exact opposite. Women are orbiting around the top 20% of men but ignoring the rest, while complaining that the most attractive men always have options who pumps and dumps them. If it's the exact opposite, why do I constantly see and hear men complaining about (let's be honest, attractive) women being orbited by swaths of men? Just see the Tinder and OkCupid data. Women consistenly rate 80% of men as unattractive. Yes, a tinder study. Solid statistics that are definitely representative o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 02:20 PM
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My friend group? Various new sources, Instagram, YouTube, reddit, a few are one Facebook. I'm sure most watch porn, and those who are in school visit their school's online library. Co-workers, and members of the public I interact with? Can't really say. I follow a few co-workers on Instagram, and 2 of them mentioned using Twitter. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 02:21 AM
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No, but my work allows to be to interact with a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 02:18 AM
1

What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 02:16 AM
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Oh, it's absolutely absurd. Their reasoning is based on the narrative that due to biology and hypergamy, women decrease in value as they age, while men increase in value as they age. Then they'll point to some extreme example like Leonardo DiCaprio. Tbf, I think this mostly something men say to hurt women, or make themselves feel better, but there are some genuinely delusional guys out there who genuinely believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:40 PM
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Yeah, no. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but there are men (usually in RP and manosphere spaces) who have been convinced that once they turn 30, young women will be lining up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:30 PM
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I'm a woman in my early 20s, and am married. The majority of the people on this sub (I'm sorry but especially the men) are bitter as fuck, and seem to have a deep-seated resentment towards the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:21 PM
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I don’t know why so many of them (myself included back when I was single) thought there would be better options as you get older. I don't know about women, but there are men who think they'll be able to play the field in their 20s, and then settle down with a 19-24 year old when they're in the 30s or 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:19 PM
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This mathematically doesn't make sense. It's not like there's some disparity between the Male-to-female ratio. All this does is tell me men are all going after or orbiting the top 20% of women, but ignoring the rest, while they complain that the most attractive women with the most options... always have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:18 PM
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Married.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:05 PM
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Meh... despite claims that polygraph tests are between 80% to 90% accurate by advocates, the National Research Council has found no evidence of effectiveness. You said they used a fake polygraph though. How exactly would that prove anything? Are you saying women initially gave a lower number, but when under the impression they were hooked up to a polygraph, they admitting to having slept with more men? Do you mind linking the study? Regardless, this still doesn't negate the fact that men are sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 08:28 PM
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Yeah, a man has a right to defend himself. (And honestly, is someone hits another person, I think they're usually justified in returning the favor.) I find though, that it's more used in a way that infers that because women have equal rights, they forfeit the 'privilege' of not being hit, or harrassed. Not to long ago a video was posted to r/fightporn where a group of men in their late twenties and early thirties brutally beat a group of teenage girls. Apparently what had happened was this group…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:34 PM
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If I can use your example for a minute, being friends with someone who I know emotionally abuses another is different than not telling men I know to pursue casual relationships I'm just pointing out that I can disapprove of a person's behavior and hypocrisy, even if it doesn't affect me personally (in a sexual or romantic sense). if we actually want to speak from personal experience I don't actually know any friends of mine who pursue casual sex most are in ltr's like 6 months plus to some being…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:16 PM
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are you trying to do a gotcha or something? Not my intention, but hey... if the shoe fits. This is a common hypocrisy I find many men and women in these online spaces guilty of. I also think it goes deeper than simply not caring. If it was simply a matter of "well I don't care what men do, because I don't date men," you wouldn't hold it against the majority of women either as you're not going to be dating the majority of women. the reason I would/cannot hold it against another man is that I am n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 02:28 AM
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So to clarify, when asked you'll say "yeah, it's bad too" in order to remain consistent. But you would never actually hold it against another man, whereas you would a woman. Is that correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 02:02 AM
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Lol I'm married and I'd wear that shirt for shits and giggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:53 AM
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I'm a heterosexual woman, and I still don't like seeing women engage in hypocrisy or bad behavior. I'm not going to fall back on the "well I just down care" when someone pushes me on a matter. From an objective standpoint, I can apply the same standards of morality to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:51 AM
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So when asked you'll say yes to remain consistent, but you don't actually care or see anything wrong with such behavior form a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:46 AM
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This why I don't understand men who say "oh you wanted equality? I guess that means I can beat you up. Equal rights, equal fights." Like.. a) legally speaking, nobody's allowed to assault anyone. b) I doubt these guys would ever put their hands on a man they didn't feel they couldn't take. and c) assault and battery against women isn't some new phenomenon. Domestic violence, and violence against women in general predates feminism and women's lib. People always (often purposefully) confuse legali…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:42 AM
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Have you ever been vocal about that without being asked? Because people on this sub to say "yeah, it's bad when men do it too" in order to remain consistent, but they never actually bring it up until someone else does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:34 AM
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Of course they can. I'm not saying they can't. I'm asking why men would view a woman who's casually dated before as some sort of (personal) insult. Women can refuse to date men who've causally dated before too, but I can still ask them why if the reason they give seems ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:33 AM
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And that's your opinion, did the guy care while he was banging an 18yo? That's not the defense you think it is. I had a friend who dated a 32 when she was 18, and she once snuck him into her parents basement while they were asleep to have sex. He might not have cared, but it was still wrong af. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:31 AM
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Literally, one of my friends was dating a 32 year old when she was 18, and we were all constantly roasting him and making fun of him (and her, but she says that looking back she agrees with us now).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:29 AM
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The only women who get insecure around 18 year olds are low value. The majority of women who don't want older men dating and fucking 18 year old aren't jealous either. They're concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:27 AM
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Yeah... assuming this isn't fake, that may have been disgust, not jealousy. I'd be grossed out too (depending on how old you are) if you said you dated an 18 year old before me. I'm in my 20s, and I wouldn't date a guy if I found out he was even in his late 20s and pursuing 18 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:25 AM
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since most women have back up men and options anyways What is this is based off of?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:56 AM
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since most women have back up men and options anyways What is this is based off of?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:56 AM
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They never said there wasn't a scale. They said women fussed over their appearance more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:53 AM
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The idea they do is why these women are still single and referring to men as assholes on FDS. I honestly don't understand why RP men and FDS women don't just get together. They're literally each other's equivalent, both low value, and whine about high value (or even average people) not being interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:52 AM
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So it's insulting or morally questionable when women who've had causal sex want relationships? Does this apply to men as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:50 AM
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however, if you are the one she wants to take it slow with since she sees "potential" for it working long term that is just insulting. How? Why is that a personal attack? Are people obligated to follow a strict schedule when dating in order to remain consistent? For you know, she may have tried causal dating, and realized she didn't like it, or that it didn't get her the results or outcome she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:49 AM
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A lot do LIKE the man they are with but its the ones who don't LUST after them as well that the problem lies. I mean, doesn't this also apply to men? Don't a lot of men also just settle? (I mean, the entire premise of this argument is based off the notion that men are more willing to settle and date down.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:45 AM
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Nothings wrong with it per se, but we all know you will be back in 10 years asking where the good men are. Okay, and they'll have their male counterparts to deal with. Or they'll stay single. (Men who slept around, never bothered committing, and are now washed up.) Again, most women don't causally date. So how is this a large scale issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:41 AM
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RP men think women not wanting to date or have sex with them is a form of revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 04:12 PM
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The main discussion of trp is average men only getting crumbs from below average woman See, that what I mean though when I say they're overestimating their SMV. Most of those guys aren't actually average, and tend to hold women up to higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 02:35 PM
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I didn't say men in general, I said TRP and similar online spaces are full of men who overestimate their SMV. These men will look to blame women for why they are unsuccessful, and will resport to blaming things such as height, finances, looks... when in reality, those things don't matter that much to a lot of people, wo long a person doesn't try punching above their own weight class. If they're still single, they're either delusional or don't know what the majority of women (normal people) actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 02:30 PM
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I agree with everything you've said about FDS. As for TRP, “Really cocky arrogant prick who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else” describes 99% of men who have fully bought into RP. It’s a fast track to narcissism. To be fair, from what I've seen whenever I visit the sub, the majority of posts are aimed at demonizing women. Rarely do I ever see a post or a piece of advice telling men to take accountability. It's always "men should do X because women are (insert negative stereotype)," some midd…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:42 AM
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Red Pill teaches reality. FDS teaches delusion. What does RP teach that coincides with reality, and doesn't propagate resentment and bitterness towards women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:35 AM
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Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:00 AM
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i wouldn’t have “zero” issue with any man I first see my daughter with Nice way to avoid answering the question. What I'm asking is, would the age difference be a red flag to you? i did not say it was good or bad. I simply said what it is. You literally said you have no issue with legal adults having sex. maturity is subjective, and thus ambiguous. Is there any way an 18-21 year old (for example) is anywhere near same level of maturity as a man who's well into his 30s? it has been determined tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:23 AM
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Even really good looking guys, and guys with money, are struggling getting women because modern women truly believe they deserve the entire package “looks, money, and status” or they are “settling”… I think a lot of men in these online spaces overestimate their SMV. In real life, most men seem to be doing fine. I literally know guys who are short, overweight, and have below average salaries, who have girlfriends who treat them love and respect. which comes at a time where women offer the least t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:14 AM
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eh, as long as adults are dating other adults, i’m fine with that. Damn so you would zero issue with your 19 year old daughter bringing home a 47 year old man? we are talking about adults here. And I'm pointing out that the issue isnt as black and white as people make it out to be. To discuss with topic, one must be capable of nuance, instead of just "legal = good, illegal = bad." one is an adult, the other isn’t. But what's the actual difference in terms of maturity? What if courts rule 16 to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 09:55 PM
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I don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 09:25 PM
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I would really say it just depends on the person and stage of life they're in. Age gaps become less important as people age. For example, nobody will bat an eye at 30 and 50, but will raise their eyebrows at 20 and 40. Same way 17 and 19 isn't morally questionable, but 16 and 13 is. Let me ask you this, what's the difference between someone who's a day away from turning 18, and someone on their 18th birthday? Why do you keep falling back on the "legal adults" justification?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 09:20 PM
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“pursue” in what sense? Sexually or romantically. someone who only has sex with 18 y/o or someone who is open to having sex with legal adults in general, including 18 y/o? It really depends on how old the person is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 09:14 PM
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i’m just saying that someone should be a legal adult to consent to sex I never said otherwise. I'm pointing out that it's (at the very least) morally questionable when older adults pursue 18 year olds, or other very young adults because "what bro, it's legal." It's a major red flag when someone's primary justification is "but its legal."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 08:58 PM
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I never said it was. I just said it's full of individuals with that mindset, or a similar mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 08:52 PM
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Legality =/= morality. If "it's legal" is the method in which someone sets their boundaries for how young they will go, they would go younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 08:50 PM
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Oh, but I do. And I can see the kinds of people it attracts.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 08:14 PM
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"👍" to what? Sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 08:13 PM
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Female dating strategy, although I think that that sub got banned recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 06:42 PM
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a divorce or two If someone is divorced more than once, they need to take a look at themselves. It's interesting that you mention that though, because divorce statistics are actually skewed by serial marry-ers. Divorced men also have a tendency to re-marry faster than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 05:34 PM
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I mean, we'll see. But I don't think majority of people complaining about how "women just aren't worth it anymore" are boomer men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 05:26 PM
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It's a classic case of vulnerable narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 05:06 PM
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Lots of young religious couples marry so they can have sex, and then divorce when they realize they have basically nothing more in common beyond the lust. Yeah, marrying young is definitely a risk when it comes to chances of divorce. Last I checked though, the majority of divorces are between boomers though, with the two most prominent reasons for divorce being incompatibility and infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 05:03 PM
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Meh, more of an acquaintance now. Most of us work with the guy, so we still have to interact with him. This isn't the first guy I've seen this happen to either. Throughout the past couple of years, I had to delete 3 guys off my Facebook friends list over their incessant posting of RP talking points and "woman bad" content.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:57 PM
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Yes, just like I’ve never heard/met a woman that just wants to destroy a guys self esteem. Idk if you're being sarcastic, but there are absolutely women out there who want to destroy a man's sense of worth and self-esteem. But dating just to put someone else down, no. It's subconscious and pathological. Yes, there are men who, while it's not their primary goal to damage a woman's sense of self worth, they just don't care if that's a by-product of their pursuit. I.e., men who just want to pump an…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:53 PM
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Completely agree. Their mentality is completely toxic. It turns normal dudes who could get girls no problem into crazy "pseudoscience" egotistical dicks. I have a friend (more of an acquaintance now) who started watching Fresh and Fit and Kevin Samuels religiously after a break-up and a couple of flakes. He went from being a normal guy to someone who genuinely despises women, and rants and posts about gender roles all the time. Most of us can barely stand chilling with him now. All of the sudden…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:41 PM
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The majority of divorces though are between boomers. Not young or middle aged couples who marry, and then divorce 5-10 years down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:31 PM
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The issue with RP and FDS is that both groups are full of deeply flawed individuals who expect to lock down the perfect partner, and can't understand why other people don't see what a catch they truly are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:28 PM
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No, see he has legitimate reasons for being selective. Women though, are just being too picky and need to get over themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:26 PM
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This is the real reason women initiate most of the divorces Do you have anything to back up that claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:22 PM
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Like what’s nit picky Not desperate enough to fuck men she isn't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:20 PM
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You've never heard of shitty, narcissistic people who get off on damaging other people's self esteem? You don't think men who have a deep-seated resentment towards women wouldn't enjoy damaging women's self esteem?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:14 PM
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When you say talk to, do you literally mean just speak to, or pursue sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:37 AM
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But the minute they turn 18, they're good to go, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:00 AM
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It's probably all women's fault.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/22 08:44 PM
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I've actually heard there are just as many, if not more male bots. I was told by a friend who worked for an online dating site that the companies who run these apps do it on purpose in order to accelerate the competition in a space that already has a (I think) 10-to-1 male/female ratio. This benefits them, because unlike women, men are willing to pay for visibility on dating apps. So it's in their (the people running the app's) best financial interest to drive up the competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 08:37 PM
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I don't even think it's about the money. Having to pay (up front) for sex removes a lot of the validation men get from having sex. I also think certain men get off on the power play of pumping and dumping, because a huge part of it for them is to damage women's self esteem. (Make women feel stupid, or taken for a fool.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 06:06 PM
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That's gwnerally the advice I would give to anyone. Although, I've heard the argument that some men are simply looking for NSA sex, and don't want the drama or headache that may come with ONS or causal sex relationships. While this is probably true on some level, I don't think it applies to the majority of men, as I know paying for sex diminishes a lot of the validation men receive from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 06:01 PM
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Yup, it's pretty much "if you only see women as a warm hole to fuck, spare some poor woman the experience of having a relationship with you, and just hire a hooker." Yet, those types of men don't like being told that, and I don't even think it's about the money. I think certain men get off on the power play of pumping and dumping women, and (potentially) hurting their self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:58 PM
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I know what evolutionary biology is. Denying a man sex still isn't on par with murdering him. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:08 AM
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Women generally don't care about ncount or sexual history We do. Yet whenever we express that, we're told we shouldn't. The issue though it would be hard for women to tell because they would be having sex and she would feel like he wants her. Doesn't this apply to men as well? Why would a man want to be with a women that fucked chads, but is now making the beta wait to see if he's worth her. Why would a woman want a man who's slept around, and has a history of using and discarding women? That as…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:11 PM
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Only the women who care what "relationship material guy" thinks are implicitly accusing him of having a M-W complex. I mean, yeah. Most women (because most people in general, men included) have a certain set of standards that must be met in order for a person to be considered relationship material, regardless of whether or not they enagage in hook-ups or have causal sex. Plus, aren't men who care what "relationship material women" think doing the same thing when they treat certainwome differentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:02 PM
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Doesn't make men feel better if just leads to them wondering if she settled with him How is that any different from women wondering if their husband who has a sexual history merely settled for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:43 PM
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which women condemn because they don't like being put in "boxes" or roles. Really all women do this? Even if women who do this do think that way for women (which I'm sure some do), what your point? Are women (like men) not capable of hypocrites either? How do you expect men to have any empathy when women are treated as disposable when you talk about "Chad" like he is a walking vibrator? Again with the generalizations. There are a shit-ton of men (especially on this sub) who view women as nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:39 PM
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you are literally holding me hostage. Nobody's forcing you to respond. you dont want my reply you want your opinions coming out from me and you wont be satisfied till I act accordingly. I'm merely asking you questions, and you seem incapable of actually answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:34 PM
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it doesnt necessarily mean its hypocrisy. Can't it though? Can you not think of any other situations in which double standards are hypocritical and born out of sheer self-interest? do women care about men's body counts as much as the other way around? No. We care, just for slightly different reasons. Sincerely I have no opinion about men's body count, would I think its nasty? Yes, do I care? No. So yes or no? Are men with 3 or more female partners ran through? If the answer is yes, what do you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:18 PM
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Got it. So either you don't want to expose your own hypocrisy, or you aren't capable of objectively analyzing a situation if you feel it doesn't directly affect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:10 PM
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You haven't answered though. You just half-assed an answer based on a hypothetical scenario you constructed that doesn't apply to you, and said you don't care anwyay since you're not the "target audience." So I'll ask again. Yes or no, and I'll make it even clearer for you, are heterosexual men who've had 3 or more female partners also ran through?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:50 PM
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Yes? Like carb restriction being really hard to the point that most people fail. It won't kill them, but they feel like it will. Nutrition restriction is a bit different though, as it it literally depriving the body of nutrients it needs to physically sustain itself. Like women having mild inate fear of men, easily suppressed until trauma, but still there. What do you mean by an "innate" (natural) fear? You think the majority of females are born with an inherent fear toward males? Men won't kill…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:32 PM
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So it's an irrational emotion?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:17 PM
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Yes, and I think people (both men and women) would be so much happier if they didn't internalize every aspect of dating and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:12 PM
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Basically, she doesn’t find you hot/attractive/exciting enough to fuck right away. Ouch. If it makes men out there feel any better, it could just mean she doesn't care what some Chad thinks of her, so she has no reservations in using him to satisfy her sexual urges. Whereas she does care what a man she deems to be relationship material thinks, so she wants to hold off and not send a negative message about herself to him. That said, it's mostly dependent on chemistry, and the circumstances of eac…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:03 PM
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All that does is tell me men are exceedingly emotional, and think that being denied sex is on par with murdering them. (I don't think the majority of men think that btw, but that's what your assertion insinuates.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:55 PM
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Yes, each individual can chose which parts of their psyche they do or don't want to examine, and is free to set their own boundaries. But yeah, as for porn (like basically any other component of sex and relationships) it really depends. There are couples who watch porn together. So long as it doesn't lead to, or signify any issues, I don't see why watching porn would be inherently a bad thing. (Issues such as rape fetishes, pedophilia, bestiality, addiction, a warped view of sex, or if it become…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:49 PM
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That like saying anyone who's infertile is "dying".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:44 PM
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You did. Nice to see you're ignoring the question though, yet again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:44 PM
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It doesn't literally kill the individual though. That's like saying infertility is death.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:43 PM
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Water is necessary for survival, as people will literally die ina matter of days without it. A lack of sex doesn't do that. I'm not saying the desire for sex isn't an inherent biological trait, but to equate it to drinking water or eating seems disanalogous, and has the potential to justify acts if violence from sexually deprived men. (Not saying you specifically are doing this.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:02 PM
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You're still avoiding the question. You don't have to care, or be the "target audience" in order to form an opinion. Are you incapable of forming an opinion around anything you aren't personally invested in? I'm a heterosexual woman, but I still understand the implications of some woman who've had multiple partners, and why it may be a deal breaker for some men. Im not the target audience of that product Lol @ referring to women as a "product." Regardless, that isn't a valid excuse to avoid answ…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:44 PM
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You are though. You're refusing to answer yes or no, and are basing your answer off of a hypothetical scenario. You also didn't "answer it perfectly." My question wasn't "if you were gay would you care how many men your husband fucked." I asked you, from an objective standpoint, do you consider men who've had 3 or more partners to be ran through? I'll make it easier for you, do you also consider striaght me men who've had more than 3 female partners to be ran through?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:53 PM
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Way to dodge the question... I'm asking, from an objective standpoint, do you also consider men who've had 3 or more partners to be ran through?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:41 PM
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How is 3 "ran through" though? Would apply the same standard to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:35 PM
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Why not fuck sluts and then ignore them? I mean, you're free to do that. That still doesn't mean every man is hung on his partners sexual past lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:34 PM
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You don't have to get over it. That's your choice. Sure, people don't have to get over anything. Nor am I saying men should just get over it, and break all their boundaries. I'm just pointing out that most people would probably be a lot happier if they were honest with themselves and examined how their insecurities may play into some of their boundaries. There are men you say they wouldn't date women who masturbate with toys, which is their choice. They're free to have tbat boundary. But why? Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:28 PM
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Ah the ol' "men all care we just wont admit it, but we all care" line. Convenient. Just as convenient as "women lie all the time" when presented with data you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:14 PM
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Two adults having casual sex isn't remoting comparable to bestiality and rape. Is that really the best analogy you were able to conjure up?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:10 PM
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Yet women are usually told to get over it, because every guy watches porn. And to extent, I agree. It just depends on what kind of porn he's watching, if he's spending money on it, and how often (if he's addicted), for it to become a problem. Nearly every woman I know IRL though, who didn't want her boyfriend watching porn of any kind was deeply insecure. Don't get me wrong, people are allowed to have standards, but some of them are ridiculous, and absolutely rooted in insecurity, and I'm not go…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:00 PM
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I really love how having some boundaries and standards for a partner is shamed Read higher up, there are guys saying an n count of 3 is ran through.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:58 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:57 PM
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So yeah, the control of their behavior must therefore be different. Yet women complain about that... Because it gives men a pass for things, even though their behavior is just a harmful. Such shaming also tends to not come from a place of genuine concern for women and girls. "Oh so there is a difference?!?! Why can't I slut shame women then?!?!" Like, yes... women complain when men who don't really care about the well being of women and girls try to weaponize sexuality against them. That's the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:40 AM
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men discriminate less indeed Do they though?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:35 AM
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Do you tell other men on this sub who share their own personal perspectives and experiences to stop, because "not everything is about them," or is that just something you say to women? Kinda seems like an excuse to dismiss her perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:34 AM
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So you really don't see the difference between sexual attraction between two adults, and rape or pedophilia?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:57 AM
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They automatically think they are being taken advantage of in some way because “the hot guy” doesn’t have to be boyfriend material. Genuine question, why do they get mad then when women they're interested in dating or settling down with reject them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:29 AM
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Idk, I don't get many likes or validation online (not that I care). The only women I see getting tons of validation are hot women posting thirst traps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:00 PM
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Are single men destroying society as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 10:52 AM
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Yes, that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:50 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:49 PM
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Women have it far easier today because electricity, running water and inventions made and kept mostly by the collective of men. If you're interested, I'm happy to provide a list of inventions made by women, and instances in which women's inventions and findings were stolen by, or credited to men. In some instances, husband's had to take full credit for both his and wife's findings due to women being barred from certain institutions. They do not need to go to the river to get water or spend hours…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:47 PM
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Is that true? Are the vast majority of agricultural workers in the global south men? I know when members of my family immigrated to the west and worked in factories, there were a decent amount of female workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 04:41 PM
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When I say "I disagree", I'm not referring to some personal bias. I'm saying that I disagree with your implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:42 PM
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I agree with this. But also, a lot of them are checking out of society because they feel that the effort is not worth the reward I disagree with this though. It seems like a "woe is me, might as well not even try" justification being lazy, or having ridiculous standards. Like "well, maybe if women were actually worth it, I would be willing to up my SMV."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:34 PM
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I'm a woman, and while looks aren't the only thing that matter, they are extremely important. If I'm not physically and sexually attracted to someone, it isn't going work. Men seem obsessed with trying to make women out to be men with vaginas. What do you mean by this? I don't think looks are the only thing that matter to men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:30 PM
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You're entitled to have your standards, but other people are allowed to tell you you're unreasonable, or delusional. Women don’t have to be 6ft to want a man who’s 6ft This is disanalogous. One is a physical attribute, the other is a choice a person made, and is reflective of their values and character. nor do they have to make 100k to want a man who makes 100k. No, but a man who makes 100k isn't going to be interested in a woman who's a lazy slob, and refuses to pull her own weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:39 PM
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I'm pretty medium n count and turned down plenty of 40+ women. Exactly. This also goes to show that the whole "women are the choosers, so it's akchually impressive for a man to wrack up his n count" narrative is a farce. Men have agency, and just as capable of turning women down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:28 PM
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I don't think that's what u/TermAggravating8043 is saying though. They're pointing out that some men will call a woman a 'slut' simply for having any sexual history at all, because it's easier for them to degrade her and tell themselves "she's just a slut" than admit to their own insecurities. Also, to address "but he can never be sure the child is his." a) her being a virgin isn't going to change that. b) and women can never really be sure he isn't sticking it into some other woman, and creatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:22 PM
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A guy who's slept with a lot of girls on the other hand has to have a combination of being tall, handsome, fit, charming, successful, has status ect... Sorry, but no. It's not impressive for a man to rack up a high body count either. Especially when you consider the fact that he could pay, lower his standards, or just find someone off an online dating site. Me and a friend tried the whole "make a tinder account of a man" thing, and I had no issue getting matches, and setting up hook ups. The onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:14 PM
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It could just tell me she wanted NSA sex. I personally know women who've slept around, but had no issue finding a LTR when they were interested in committing. While a nigh n count definitely can be a red flag (for both men and women), I would be far more concerned with someone who have a string of failed relationships, than past NSA hook ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:01 PM
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Opening your legs for anyone is not an accomplishment. Nobody here is saying it is. That said, while I don't think jealous is quite the word to describe it, there are definitely men who feel as though it's a personal slight against them when a woman is willing to fuck other guys, but not them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:59 PM
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Genuine question, why would a virgin be interested in marrying you if you have a history of sleeping around? (or trying to sleep around) Nearly every women I know who remained a virgin until marriage was from a religious background, and was equally as disgusted with men with a sexual past.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:58 PM
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Possibly. It's still a form of abuse though, depending on how extreme the behavior is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:02 PM
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Sure, but is telling your SO they're replaceable really the norm? And even if it is, it's still a form of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 04:32 PM
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It is not normal. The only relationships I've seen this dynamic present in were toxic or abusive in other ways as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 04:19 PM
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Please do. I swear, the majority of men on this sub don't even account for unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 03:43 AM
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That I've personally seen? My cousin's ex used to tell her he could sub her out anytime, and would literally download tinder and swipe right on everyone just to show her all the matches he got. My ex also had a friend who was like this. He would flirt with other women, and flaunt it in his girlfriend's face because "she needs to be reminded she's replaceable." (His words.) Then there's stories I haven't witnessed firsthand, but was told second hand from other women. There's also the "bitches are…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 08:44 PM
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There are still men who have the "ewwww disgust" thing towards women. I've literally heard men talk about "I wouldn't touch her with a 10 foot pole" when referring to women they find disgusting. (Usually fat or ugly women, or women with extremely high body counts.) Not that that I even care. I think people are allowed to be disgusted. I just don't see why you're intent on denying that men do this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 08:35 PM
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From any male?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 08:33 PM
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Idk, I've heard men joke about women's bodies ("roast beef" vaginas, fat women, ugly women, acne). A woman refusing to date a republican isn't really a matter of disgust. That is not really eww disgust but how dare you disgust. It's still disgust though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:58 PM
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A pick me girl is a woman who's desperate for male attention and validation, and will mold herself to whatever she thinks men want, and will throw other women under the bus in order to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:50 PM
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And there are also men who won't go outside until they've done themselves up. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:48 PM
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Not making the claim that they should or shouldn't do it, but it's not something to be proud off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:43 PM
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Women always say it is insecurity not disgust. I think that is true. Possibly, but they're still expressing disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:30 PM
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Got it!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:19 PM
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and men are conditioned to not express disgust Sorry, but I disagree. Men express disgust to women they deem unworthy all the time (e.g., fat women, sluts, ugly women, gold diggers).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:18 PM
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Yeah, similar to fat guys who won't date fat girls (for example). Both genders have their share of egotistical knobheads.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:17 PM
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Ah, so you're saying that the guys who think sexual/romantic rejection is a form of dehumanization should try playing competitive video games. That way they'll see what true dehumanization looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:15 PM
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Do you mind elaborating, I'm not sure what you mean? This sub is full of men who are bitter over sexual and romantic rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:08 PM
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That's just abuse, tbh. Something I've seen men do to women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:07 PM
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Men don't all the time, they just use different language. And look, it's fine to not want to date someone you're not attracted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:06 PM
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Who says that other than FDS and a handfull of shitty women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:05 PM
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These guys literally think being rejected is a form of dehumanization
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:03 PM
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"But ugly women won't date in their lane and only want Chad!!!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:01 PM
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Doesn’t sex go both ways? It should, but it's not women who don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:00 PM
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But women get upset when they get used for it. Strange. How is that strange? People don't like being used. I don't blame men who don't like being used either. But I wouldn't compare buying someone coffee to being sued for sex, then thrown away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:57 PM
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Men are so much more than their reproductive organs though, and I say this as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:52 PM
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I've seen men this too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:51 PM
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You're making a bunch of broad generalizations that just don't seem grounded in reality. I mean, are there women who don't put in effort, but expect everything to be handed to them? Yes. Are there men who do this too? Also yes. But looking around, I can see the majority of women (and men) do make an effort. Women haven't gotten the message they need to put in effort if they want a man let alone a quality man. What do you mean by that? Are you under the impression that women are predominantly a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:44 PM
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I'm saying it isn't harder for guys who are really short (like under 5'6). I'm just saying that if a guy is short, and he's never or rarely successful, his height is likely not the issue. Back to my original point though, if a man is only able to pull LV women, that's on him. I never said anything about height until you brought it up. I've also seen tall guys and men of an average height complain about only matching with fat women and single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:36 PM
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It doesn't change anything you've said. My point, is that being short isn't a make-or-break, and men on this sub need to stop using it as a crutch, as most people (women as well) have some sort of undesirable physical attribute, but don't let it drag them down to such a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:07 PM
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Which is what women actually want. But women don't have because the number of economical dateable men around is ever so shrinking. I'm not even referring to wealth, I'm referring to a man's demeanor, character, outlook on life, how he treats women, and his physical appearance. And not things he can't control like height, bone structure, or hair color; but how he looks after himself (hygiene, fitness, sense of style, how he carries himself). Talk about being FDS. I'm not a fan of FDS, but I'm rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:03 PM
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Being short isn't as large a detriment as men on this sub make it out to be. I honestly feel like it's become a cop out that sexually unsuccessful men use in order to alleviate themselves of the blame for their own failures when it comes to dating. I.e. "It's not my fault I can't get any matches. I'm just short and women are all a bunch of shallow bitches." In reality though, his height bares little-to-no consequence, and his lack of success is likely due to the fact that he is an insufferable h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:50 PM
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Can you link a few vids? I don't doubt that there are women out there like that, but how are they any different from delusional men who think they deserve a perfect 10?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:43 PM
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I don't disagree with any of that. I honestly think some men and women are just delusional when it comes to their own SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:42 PM
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I'm referring to RP or PPD men, or trad larpers. The majority of people (men and women) are normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:39 PM
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Don't most women have low self esteem? I mean, everybody has something they're insecure about, but I wouldn't say the majority of women (or people) have overall low self esteem. Not even some of the blame? It really depends. I've seen how manipulative some people can be, and not even in a sexual/romantic relationship setting. You don't think the victim can reconsider what they could have done better? That doesn't necessarily mean they're to blame for what happened to them. It just means they're …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:36 PM
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Sorry, but I'm not really sure what your point is here. It's still numerically, and statistically impossible for the majority of men to sleep around, and then find a (young) virgin wife to settle down with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 12:29 AM
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Do you mind elaborating?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:52 PM
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Sure, but men still have the ability to reject women. Hell, maybe if men rejected women more, such a 'disparity' wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:52 PM
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I've literally seen this sentiment repeated over and over on this sub, and in many manosphere online spaces. I used to be part of many manosphere facebook groups, and it was a constant barrage of unattractive men complaining about only being able to match with fat women and single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:51 PM
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It's very simple math. Then why does it rarely happen? Why is it not the norm then, for men to sleep around and then marry a 20 year old virgin when they're old, and losing their looks? The majority of men aren't Leonardo DiCaprio, and in the US, there's s a fairly even distribution of men and women. It's not possible for every man to sleep around, and then settle down with a virgin when he's 40 and going through andropause. I'm not referring to the top 20% of men, or celebrities like DiCaprio (…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:47 PM
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The only reason women get lots of matches is because many men swipe right on literally everyone, and then weed through the matches they get. It doesn't actually mean women have an abundance of great options to chose from. Me and friend did the whole "make two tinder profiles, one a man and one a woman" experiment. However this time, I used a picture of a fairly average woman, and the majority of matches received on that account were mostly LV men who only wanted to fuck, not date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:39 PM
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They don't send them to strangers, they'll send them to women they kind of know, and it's usually when they're drunk and horny. At least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:35 PM
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If he's in shape and childfree why they hell SHOULD he "settle" for a fat single mom? I didn't say he should. I'm pointing out that if that's all a man can pull, his SMV is most likely lower than he thinks it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 08:53 PM
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Hey, you do you. No hate from me, I'm just highlighting a common sentiment I've seen in these online spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 08:51 PM
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In trp’s framework, AWALT so you can’t pick better women. Ah, if that's someone's mindset, there's no getting through to them. It's no different from FDS women who think all men are potential rapists and abusers. Trp says men pick bad women due to scarcity, while women pick bad men because they are way more attractive than the available options of unattractive men with good character. What they don't realize (or maybe they do) is that only insecure women chose the "bad boy" types. One of the big…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 08:48 PM
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Unless it’s a friendship no one is obligated to give some caring advice. I didn't say anyone was obligated to give anyone caring advice. I'm merely pointing out that many men who say "you should have chosen better" are only doing so to be nasty, condescending, and shift a portion of the blame from he man onto the woman. Because women don’t NEED to put effort in to attract men. You're joking, right? Unless she doesn't care if she ends up with a bottom of the barrel man, women definitely have to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 08:35 PM
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It never works that way organically. It's not like there's one slut for every 200 men, and then an abundance of virgins interested in settling down with men who pass women around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 08:32 PM
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I wish they realized it though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 08:31 PM
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It's the same logic as men who want to sleep around, but want a virgin wife. The math just doesn't add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 02:21 PM
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I agree with this 100%. I just wish the men on this sub understood this. "How come I'm only able to match with fatties and single moms? It must be because women are bad people."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 02:20 PM
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Does that nearly every man on this sub's standards are too high? I'm constantly seeing men here complain about women only going for Chad, and ignoring nice guys like them because they're ugly/short/fat/broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 02:19 PM
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women don’t fit the stereotypical societal profile of an abusive partner. Can agree with this in terms of physical abuse, but what do mean by "know how to hide it better"..?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 02:16 PM
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Idk, I've seen men reject women before.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:16 PM
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While for men, the issue is often a lack of options. That's always kind of seemed like an excuse, tbh. I've seen men who definitely had options end up with terrible, abusive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:15 PM
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But you framed the "choose better" advice as somehow bad when it's literally valid a lot of the time. It's not that it's a bad thing to tell someone to make better choices via learning to identify red flags and manipulation attempts; it's that manner in which a lot of these men tell women to "choose better." It's often a snarky comment that's said in bad taste. These men don't actually care about women's wellbeing, they're just looking to shift a portion of the blame from the man into the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:11 PM
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This seems like a cop out, based on a false equivalency. Men have agency, and shouldn't up with abuse either. My sister in law is borderline, and the men she dated could have left at any time (and they did).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 09:36 PM
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You just described my sister in law. From what I've seen, I think the men who hang around these women (her) have had either a neglectful or sheltered up-bringing, and it takes a little longer for them to notice red flags. It's probably not much different from women who go for jerks who negged them. They likely had an abusive or overly sheltered up bringing, are insecure, naive, and susceptible to manipulation (love bombing, guilting).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 09:23 PM
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•Negging or complimenting a girl on something unattractive about her. Something along the lines of “that’s a bold choice of skirt” or similar. • Talking about other girls you are dating or hooking up with. • Being arrogant. • Not caring about her. • Being mean about other people. These only work on women who are deeply insecure. Before I even knew what negging was, I was always immediately turned off when men would try this kind of stuff on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 10:49 PM
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No, we just were referring to two different things and I misunderstood you. That said, it's probably important I mention that the majority of child support cases (in the US) are between separated or divorced couples in which the father was already in his children's lives. Not some poor soul who was lied to and baby trapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:39 PM
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You said opt out of raising a child. Making a monthly payment doesn't constitute raising a child. The majority of men who refuse to pay CS usually don't end up going to prison anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:36 PM
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Men are already allowed to opt out of raising children, they just might have to pay a sum of child support. Something women (rightfully) have to do as well if they don't have prime custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:32 PM
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You may also be interested to know that the majority of child support cases aren't one-night-stand Jerry Springer situations, but are between separated or divorced couples in which both parents were already in the child's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 12:04 PM
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If we're referring to ethics and morals, the man is not longer the sole factor in the equation, the child is. The needs and wants of the parents are no longer the main concern. The well being of the child is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 11:57 AM
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Yes, which is why men shouldn't have a say in whether or not a woman has an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 11:51 AM
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Yeah, I can agree people (men and women) who do that are off their rocker, but how does that destroy unions?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 02:14 PM
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Will do. Do you mind answering though, should women not be allowed to work? I'm constantly hearing "it's women's fault wages are so low because they doubled the work force." Yet women tend to go into different professions than men, and the US (if that's the country we're talking about) still let's in immigrants. And that doesn't even touch on the damage done by banks and inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 02:13 PM
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I would love to. But here is the truly insane part: not only did feminists destroy unions How?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 02:09 PM
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I've read up on the topic, I'm asking you to elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 02:09 PM
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Do you mind elaborating?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 02:02 PM
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Should women not be allowed to work? I also don't see how women are scabs considering it's illegal to pay them less.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 01:56 PM
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There is no situation where dating a single mother makes any sense. Depends, if he's a single dad, I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for him to date a single mom. Or her kids are adults, and are off on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:09 PM
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reconcile with their ex. Or date a single dad. I find the majority of responsible single mothers actually prefer men who have kids of their own because he gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:07 PM
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Last summer the daughter got married and her deadbeat bio dad walked her down the aisle at a wedding that he payed for. That's fucking horrible. What a slap in the face. I really hope he took the steps to properly protect his assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:02 PM
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The majority of divorces happen amongst boomers, and people who've been married more than once. when the female becomes "unhappy" Divorce statistics say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:53 PM
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Okay? And those women are entitled idiots if they're barely working, but still don't want to do any, or the majority or housework. Nobody here is disputing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:51 PM
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You have any stats to back that up?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:47 PM
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What's your point? My point is that even when I made more, I still did the majority of the housework because he worked far more hours than I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:47 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:46 PM
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Yup, or "women lie".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:45 PM
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Men will say they want this until they're 50 and the realization they're going to die alone hits them, so they start scrambling for a wife, but get mad when women in their 20s aren't interested in reproducing with them. They'll do nothing to work on their emotional intelligence, or connect with women on a deeper level, because they're only interested in using women for their bodies. And look, if that's what a guy wants to do, that's fine. I have zero gripes about it. I think people should be fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:44 PM
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(90% initiated by females) But why? Look up infidelity statistics, and you'll see. The statistics also are skewed by those who get married multiple times throughout their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:28 PM
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I made more than my husband at one point, but because he still worked more hours than me, I did more of the housework. Was I "a slave" or "financing his lifestyle with nothing in return"..? I would say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:26 PM
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You'll literally show them statistics, and they'll say "but Chad."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:03 PM
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The majority of people marry someone within their age, educational, and socioeconomic range. Most physicians aren't marrying slutty, dumb art majors. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:02 PM
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Funny how I never see this in real life though How many couples do you know, and do you often discuss these topics with people IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:00 PM
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I find the women complaining about equal housework aren't the ones working or earning less, the women who work just as much, but are still stuck doing all the extra house duties. All in all though, I really don't care how people organize their lives or families, so long as it works for them and everyone is pulling their own weight. My husband works far more hours than I do, so I do the majority or the housework. I'm fine with that and it works great for us. What other people do, is up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:58 PM
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I know you're just being snarky... but yes, actually. Exactly like that. Lol Men who say "what do you bring to table," will then tell women they don't specifically need her for anything other than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 04:51 PM
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I mean that kind of the point... anyone can say anything, so it's a pointless question. And yes, the question (when asked upfront) is never done in good faith. There's no right answer, because the men who ask for really care, they just want to put her down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 04:49 PM
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Like they don't look around and can't see the reality that women in that age range that are single are usually highly disagreeable skittish neurotic controlling. Correction: the reality that most single women in that age range that are single are usually highly disagreeable skittish neurotic controlling. This applies to a large chunk of single men of the same age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:38 PM
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He was probably fed the lie that men are fertile until they're 80, and waited too long and his egg batter rotted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:36 PM
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but why would a much younger woman want some guy past his prime? What the women want seems irrelevant to them. They're delusional and have convinced themselves that 40-50 is their prime lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:33 PM
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your first paragraph just proves why he should go younger How much younger? Also how? The woman's age is irrelevant when discussing issues associated with older fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:28 PM
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Straight out of university. Are you sure it isn't an internship? no it wasnt, but your solution to that is to just tip the scale the other way? No, when did I ever imply such? Im not naming companies Ah, convenient. You have better things to do than produce a list, yet you're still fine with using your time to argue with me over reddit. Lol I know it happens as I've heard it from hiring managers themselves. Anecdotal. I've heard women say they've been passed over for less qualified men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 12:31 PM
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Lots of places are preferentially hiring women, particularly straight out of university. Straight out of university? Over men who are more qualified? Which companies? There's lots of places also playing diversity bingo and trying to get one person of every ethnicity or something absurd. Again, isn't that just a company or organization aiming to ensure their work force is representative of its client base and provides better knowledge on consumer needs and preference? It is not an equal playing f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 12:04 PM
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... existing as a result from the issue that certain demographics have historically been given preferential treatment. All I'm seeing is the assurance that equally qualified women are offered the same opportunities as their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:51 AM
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Which companies are solely or even preferentially hiring or promoting women? All I'm seeing is the potential assurance that equally qualified women are on the same playing field. Sure, there are men who may feel robbed, but of what? An unfair advantage? Your reasoning What reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:46 AM
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You said women going for casual sex benefits all men. No I didn't. The middle ground is the men that can only get it through relationships. It really just depends on the guy. Many middle tier men still don't have an issue finding casual sex. Some relationships are also born out of causal sex relationships/situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:41 AM
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punished advantages Kind of sounds like young men just aren't being granted the same unfair advantages their fathers might have had.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:37 AM
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admit When did I ever deny there was a middle ground?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:33 AM
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There's an extremely vast middle ground between "getting miles of pussy from countless women," and being genuinely involuntarily celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:32 AM
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Aside from ensuring equality of opportunity, isn't that also just a way to ensure that a company's or organization's work force is representative of its client base and provides better knowledge on consumer needs and preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:31 AM
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The whole "well that's the bottom 70-80% according to women" narrative is something the bottom 10-15% of men tell themselves to come to grips with their LMV. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:29 AM
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ruined relationship possibilities, so it doesn't benefit all men at all. *ruined relationship possibilities for the bottom of the barrel
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:07 AM
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Exactly. If a man doesn't want a woman who has a lot of sexual experience with multiple partners, fine. But so many guys in these online spaces take it to a whole other level, and will straight up start calling women disgusting, tell them they aren't worthy of love, and compare them to expired products and worn out objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:02 AM
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they don't mean equal rights at all and are just trying to get women privileges that they frame as equal rights. Genuinely asking, what are some examples of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:00 AM
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Yup, and if the judge deems it to be in the child's best interest they will grant it. Not really sure what your point here is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:36 PM
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Exactly, and if one parent (the custodial parent) is engaging in significantly more childcare work, it makes sense for the other larent to provide more financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:07 PM
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Okay... and what benefits the child isn't always going to benefit the mother either. That doesn't matter though, because parents still have an obligation to support their children, regardless of whether it's beneficial for them, or if they're still together as a couple. Are you saying men should be allowed to skip out on their children after a divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:47 PM
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Abortion isn't "killing a kid" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:46 PM
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Save haven laws apply to all custodial parents (men and women). and two they can go through the legal process of terminating their rights. Yes, with the consent of the father and/or a judge. Men can also do with the consent of the mother and/or a judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:17 PM
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"If women have bodily autonomy, at least make it fair by allowing men to abandon their kids" Like what lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:16 PM
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If there is a father present, women aren't allowed to do that, or give their kids up for adoption without his signature.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:07 PM
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or abandon them without being held responsible for them Women aren't allowed to just abandon their kids. That's a sure-fire way to slapped with a child neglect and endangerment charge. If there is a father present, women aren't allowed to surrender their children or give them up for adoption without the his signature.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:06 PM
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I can agree to that. However, I will say that a lot of people on this sub don't seem to realize is that the majority of child support cases don't consist of women baby trapping men, or instances of one night stands. The majority of child support cases are between ex-couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 07:01 PM
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If the father is present, women aren't allowed to give the child up for adoption without his signature. But yeah, I agree that women should inform the father of the pregnancy early on, if she intends to ask for child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:56 PM
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If she has primary custody, she's going to spend a significantly higher amount of time preforming domestic duties that benefit their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 06:18 PM
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And how will she continue to be paid if she's continuing to raise their children? Unless he wants to put his career aside for full custody, or pay for childcare and home-keep.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:56 PM
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Some people are unable to comprehend that others have different beliefs and motivations. Anyone who differs from them is either stupid, lying, or a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:39 PM
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let's see how the radical feminists react I'd say many if views are feminist, and I'm happy she's facing consequences for this. And while I'm yet to see any self proclaimed feminists support such behavior, any radfem who objects to the verdict here, is the female equivalent of manosphere guys who think men shouldn't be punished for stealthing (taking off the condom midway through sex without the woman's knowledge.)
/r/PussyPassDenied06/05/22 03:26 PM
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I've literally never had an issue getting a text back from a man, and managed to marry a HV man my own age. I really don't know where this "marry and older man" narrative came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:09 PM
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Translation: I'm conveniently ignoring them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:06 PM
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I know, lol. Whenever they say that, I'm just like "so... you're admitting you aren't actually attractive, and need to resort to being betabuxx?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 04:18 PM
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Haha I'm just teasing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 04:04 PM
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I've heard this too and it never made any sense to me. It's because "men can increase their value in other ways." At least that's what they tell themselves. But yeah, I really don't care if other people are fat (in the context of dating) and the majority of fat people I've met who are nice people, don't have issues dating fellow fat people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 04:02 PM
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Right? Some men will complain about crazy BPD women, but the continue dating them. Some women will complain about fuckboys, but continue to hook up with guys they met in clubs or on tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 04:00 PM
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OP is just telling people to take responsibility for their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:56 PM
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Lol didn't you just finish telling me people on the daily chat thread where more normal? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:46 PM
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I've seen men say "it's worse for a woman to be fat"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:45 PM
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Fair enough. Also, I just noticed, we have the same flair 👋
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:38 PM
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You're misunderstanding me. It's not the topic of conversation, it's the statements and generalizations people are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:33 PM
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Yeah, that's kind of my point. The majority of people may have opinions, but these topics don't dictate their lives and the way they view members of the opposite sex, the way it seemingly does for many people in these spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:26 PM
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I did (my husband), and he told me the guys he hangs out with are pretty normal and tend to make fun of bitter guys who hyper-fixate on SMV, body count, and hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:16 PM
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Will do, thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:14 PM
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I completely get what you're saying, I just wonder if people who are already on edge come here, have their preconceived notions reaffirmed, and then just spiral headfirst into their misery and ideological rabbit hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:14 PM
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Apologies, it's not intended to be a rant, I'm trying to decipher whether or not the problems I see on this sub are really as prominent IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:12 PM
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Most people just live and let live. Even if if they care a little bit, they aren't consumed by it the people within these online spaces are. The only people I've met IRL (usually men, sorry, but that's just my experience) that seem to obsess over the topics I've listed were co-workers or people I went to high school with, who only left their house for work and essential shopping.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 03:11 PM
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I joined this sub a few months back because someone told me to check it out, and nearly every issue or debate here just isn't something I see present in the lives of normal people who actually leave the house and understand that members of the opposite sex are also just people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 02:41 PM
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I'm personally not into cold approaches, but I think it's safe to say don't approach in isolated locations (stairwells, a bus stop at night, the gas station, hallways, elevators, an empty public transport cart, etc.) And absolutely do not get aggressive and try to block the exit, or guilt women when they turn you down. (Had a man block the exit in a stairwell once when I was 17.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/22 02:36 PM
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Sad, I feel for all you single people on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/22 03:34 PM
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Do men do it too? Obviously, but you never hear about women’s subversive and passive aggressive reactions to not getting what they want. Women get a free pass for this spiteful, childish behavior I can agree with everything you said except for this. I hear about it all the time from men, and have seen countless memes about the cockblocking situation. and are often more manipulative in their execution. I'm not really sure what you mean by this either. In what way are women more manipulative in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/22 12:23 AM
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Begging the question. Adult is a legal age. By definition, this is already an age discrimination. Do you think if the age of consent was lowered, teenagers would going for men in their 30s? Not really sure what you have to gain by bringing this up either. Legislation outlawing interracial marriage and age of consent laws aren't analogous. By that logic, telling adults they can't have sex with children under 12 is also discriminatory. (Sadly, some very disgusting individuals have actually made th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 05:36 AM
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All my male family members are married or in long term relationships except for one, but he's okay with that. As for my friends, they're all in relationships expect for 2 and none of them have ever seemed to have issues finding women to date or hook up with. To add, my brother has cut a guy off before because he was spiraling into aggressive incel-dom. He didn't put much effort into their physical appearance, and was an annoying asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 11:04 PM
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Yeah, that's pretty much along the lines of what I assume will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 10:53 PM
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You're implying though, that it's economic state is due to being female lead. Yet, you're ignoring the fact that there are many (impoverished) male lead societies that most people wouldn't want to be a part of either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 10:49 PM
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Then why do so many self proclaimed RP guys spend all their time whining about women, and blaming women for all for their problems? They also do glorify the 1950s, e.g., those "back when women were women" memes were it's a 1950s advertisement of a woman vacuuming or cooking in a dress and heals. I use to see those in RP groups back when I had Facebook.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 10:42 PM
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I don’t think I’ve ever heard any significant amount of men clam to be oppressed by women or POC or lgbt+ people... Where are you getting this from? It's usually RP or manosphere guys who are heavily invested in their white identity, and are opposed to interracial relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 10:38 PM
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Promising to fix those loopholes would make a great election promise, still nobody has that problem in their political program. The whole PPD debate aside, how hard would a politician be blackballed if they ever tried to do that? Like, how bad would the smear campaign be?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 10:34 PM
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The people in Mosuo have progressed well past mud huts, and are largely self-sufficient in diet, raising enough for their daily needs. Not really sure what you're on about here
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 10:22 PM
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I’m not some soccer dad leering at girls at Forever 21 from behind the perfume kiosk. Haha no, I didn't get that vibe based off what you wrote. (Unlike a lot of guys on this sub.) Yeah, at the end of the day, people can shoot their shot. But if they want to have any luck they need to remain realistic and have a sense of decorum. A gay guy going to a regular (a straight) club and hitting up the guys there, or a straight man going to a lesbian bar isn't going to have much luck, and will be perciev…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:36 PM
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It's exactly like 19th century US southerners stating it was normal that blacks were slaves because they actually were. False equivalency. In the 19th century there was legislation prohibiting interracial relationships. There's no legislation prohibiting age gap relationships between adults, and in freer, more egalitarian societies, age gap relationships lessen. But that's just begging the question. The data show that women prefer OLDER men. Yes, older men who are still within their age range. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 02:17 PM
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I am also going to tell people that, based on my experience, enough young women are ok with dating older men, and that a few men that make the effort can date younger women. Yeah I wasn't trying to deny this, I just wanted to emphasize (especially for other readers) that it's exceedingly rare. It would be really nice to be able to tell other men what things might make an older man attractive to this subset of women without getting called a liar, groomer or sugar daddy or worse. I mean, then don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 05:40 AM
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Does the fact that there are people with sexualities / preferences or priorities that may deviate from the “norm” and “majority” while being completely valid and legitimate bother you that much? Not at all. I just don't like it when people try to pretend that niche situations are representative of the norm in order to further their own agenda. Not saying you're doing that, but this sub is full of men touting the narrative that "younger women prefer men in ther 30s and 40s," even though that's st…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 05:20 AM
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Look, I don't know why this concept breaks women's brains so much. I'm merely pointing out that the majority of young women prefer men within their own age range. I have included statistics gathered by the UN. I'll post them again here. I'm really not sure why so many RP men have such a difficult time coming to terms with that. Women love to talk about how different their tastes in men are and how they are not a "hive mind" but suddenly when it comes to something that threatens their vanity and …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 05:01 AM
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Oh... you weren't being sarcastic. Lol. I'm a woman in her early 20s, and I'm not interested in significantly older men. Dating and marriage statistics also show that young women prefer men within their own age range. The average age gap is less than 3 years in the majority of western nations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:58 AM
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Omg, so true actually. The fact that less than 5% of men experience this in their 30s is literal proof that men age like fiNe WiNe
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:54 AM
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Nope, men begin to hit the wall in their early to mid thirties. Look up andropause. Due to the fact that random genetic mutations in sperm are far more common in older men than in younger men, older paternal age increases the risk of degenerative diseases, as well as birth defects, including defects in the development of the skull, limbs and heart. Research also shows a link between older paternal age and an increased frequency of autism spectrum disorder, poor neuro-development outcomes, schizo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:47 AM
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Women find signs of aging attractive in men. Lmfaoooo no we don't. And I say this as a woman in her early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:37 AM
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Dating and marriage statistics show that young women aren't interested in much older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:37 AM
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Hate to break to you, but 20 year old women have probably already ridden a bunch of dicks lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:35 AM
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And the majority of 20 year old women aren't going for 30 year old guys either. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:34 AM
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Again, statistics have shown time and time again that young women aren't interested in significantly older men. Even when those men are of a higher educational and socioeconomic status. The “majority” are fat disgusting Walmart trolls. Nobody here is concerned with them. I guess the issue is (at least what I've had to deal with online and in real life) that the fat, disgusting Walmart trolls are under the impression that because they're male, their SMV is automatically higher due to their age. e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 03:22 AM
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Men DGAF about a woman’s status, career or even confidence really. Sure, but the self sufficiency aspect aside; status career and confidence are still of great value to a woman though. Women of superior sociological or educational background tend to be in situations which they will be courted and pursued by high value men. Not to mention, intelligent, high value men aren't likely to interested in lazy, classless women. All I have to do is look at the women married to some of the most publicly hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 02:20 AM
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This doesn't mean anything It literally does, it means young women prefer men within their own age range. If women didn't see men as first as resources providers, there wouldn't be such consistent age difference everywhere every time. If you can call an age gap of less than 5 years a significant age difference... lol And that doesn't mean the age difference is consistently 5 years, it means 5 years seems to be the absolute max for the majority of young women. Here, I'll post the statistics for y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 02:02 AM
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Men DGAF about a woman’s status, career or even confidence really. They may not care, but it's still a massive advantage for women. But tbh, I don't think women or men really gain a higher SMV in their 30s. Marriage statistics still show that young women prefer men within a 5 year age range. But yes, it definitely can get better with time for people who actually put in the effort, as long as they realize this only applies throughout their early to mid 30s. A lot of guys wait until their late 30s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 08:15 PM
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Lol, I asked this question on this sub not to long ago. So... how many of you are out of shape, overweight or obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 08:08 PM
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women's physical expectations only go up in the constant presence of young highly fit men. You, exactly. Once (young) women realize that young, fit men are where it's at, older men, especially older men who are in sub-par shape don't stand much of a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 08:06 PM
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I have two older female friends and they said the same happened with them. They were chubby, and had a lot of acne in their 20s. Both were in bad LTRs because they were terrified of being alone, but once they got into their 30s, they naturally lost a lot of the pudge and their skin cleared up. They also developed better personal styling habits, interpersonal skills, and gained more confidence. They had a lot of prepositions from men, and both are now married. Sometime it really does get better w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 08:04 PM
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If that were the case it would be present in statistics regarding unfounded criminal incidents, false allegations, and victim recantation. There isn't any data to back your claim. Just a (potentially fabricated) anecdote from a few cops.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 05:34 PM
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How would they decipher that though based merely off of reports? The procedure to gather facts about a suspected rape, type of rape, and other details exceed the dominion of law enforcement. This includes forensic identification of a perpetrator, and biological evidence such as semen, blood, vaginal secretions, saliva, vaginal epithelial cells to be identified and genetically typed by a crime lab. The cops wouldn't be able to determine a false allegation based off of a report alone. (I too know …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 05:21 PM
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Assuming you're even telling the truth, how would the cops be able to determine that? Cops are also a bias source, as they're notorious for treating victims terribly, and mishandling evidence regarding rape cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 04:58 PM
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He's offered zero data to back any of this up though... he made an assumption, and is using it shift some of the blame onto women. What about male victims? Are they also "perpetuating rape culture because 'men are always horny and willing to fuck anything'"...? (Obviously that's not true, but that's analogous to what OP is implying here.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 04:50 PM
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Didn't you know? When women like being pursued, they're inviting rape. /s This fucking sub...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 04:48 PM
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This is like saying "men encourage being raped because they're always so thirsty for sex". Or "men encourage having everything taken from them when they divorce, because they want to be the primary earner." Both are false, and are a thinly veiled attempt to shift blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 04:46 PM
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It doesnt mean you're a rapist, but it does seem odd to base your arguement off of something that's exceedingly rare, and overall condemned.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 04:44 PM
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The age range somehow means older men. It's not a plus/minus, it's just a plus. Okay, and it's still within their own age range. I'm not trying to "downplay" anything either. It's true. The majority of young women don't want men who are significantly older than them. No matter how hard you try to nitpick the words I use, that fact remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 02:18 PM
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So now there's an "age range". Funny how the range varies between when they're 17 and 37. There has always been an age range... "Within an age range" is 5 years. Did you even bother looking at the data I provided? Here, I'll post it again. I showed the stats: men's preference doesn't change throughout their lives. Great, lol. Young women still aren't interested in middle aged men. Women always choose several years older as their preference (not just their actual mating). There are no statistics …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 01:22 PM
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You realize that 2 or 3 years is the average difference. That's what I said. That's OLDER guys, no matter how you cut it. Yes, and it's still within their age range. That's my point. Do you know what an age range is? That you're denying that women mate older men is ridiculous. It's there for everyone to see. I'm not. I'm pointing out that the majority of young women aren't interested in men more than 3-5 years older than them. That's what the statistics show. Hell, even speaking for myself, I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 05:44 AM
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Again, dating and marriage statistics have shown that women are not interested in procreating or settling down with much older men. While most men marry women younger than they are, they still marry within their own age range. The difference is only between two and three years in Spain, with the UK reporting the difference to be on average about three years, and in the US, less than two and a half. The pattern was also confirmed for the rest of the world, with the gap being largest in Africa. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 01:09 AM
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depends...what if you were fat in your 20s...got in shape in your 30s...thats getting better.... Then that specific individual is in better shape in their 30s than in their 20s, but it doesn't override the fact that young men are still more desirable. Sexiest Man Alive: That's a magazine featuring celebrities... and the hilarious part about that is, most of those men still married women who are 30+, or within their own age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 08:54 PM
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you have to do work...and also to a degree decent genetics. Even then, he still hasn't gotten better with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 08:21 PM
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I understand what you're saying, but it applies to maybe less than 1% of the population. Most men aren't 10/10s. Either way, my point still stands. Young women aren't interested in much older men. Deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 06:16 PM
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the disparity continues to grow. Yet there are zero marital statistics to back this claim. Disqualifying a small selection of celebrities and extremely wealthy men, older men don't have much of a choice either. you dont control how men value things, and they value youth more than women, and want the peak attractiveness, while women want their age. Exactly, you can't control how women value things either, and the majority of young women clearly don't value men outside of their age range. If reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 05:07 PM
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So I take it you don't actually have any reliable data to support your narrative?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:02 PM
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And how many times do I have to tell you that women don't want men who are much older than them? Even if they do prefer men their age, they wont get those once they reach 30 Yet marriage statistics still show that people marry within their own age range. You seem to think I'm trying to make this a competition, but I'm merely pointing out that the vast majority of young women aren't interested in dating men outside their age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:42 PM
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I didn't ask for an example. I asked for data.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:37 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:36 PM
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Women have always worked. Only those who think that bourgeois 19th century or post WW2 upper class represent human history think otherwise. Yeah, I'm aware... but even upper class women weren't allowed to be (for example) lawyers, politicians, doctors, and architects. Notice that when it is not in their favor, "deal with it", is no longer an acceptable proposition. That's what happens though regarding attraction and mate selection Because of high infant mortality, life expectancy was low. Wrong,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:28 PM
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"Women are hive mind because they don't date short guys!!!" So this one single aspect pertaining to attraction mean women are a hive mind? The majority of men aren't willing to date obese women, but I wouldn't say that qualifies men as a hive mind. Do you even know what hive mindedness means?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:14 PM
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Agreed, and if the man cheats?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:11 PM
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Women’s opinions align a lot more than men's. Any data to back that up? Communism is inherently feminine. How?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:09 PM
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Okay... at this point you're just being willfully ignorant. Women are not a hive mind, nor are men. Have fun being miserable though. I'm sure it will really help you find a good woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:03 PM
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100 women aren't representative of the entire female population, you dunce. I'm a woman, and I don't think a woman deserves half a man's marital assets just because they married for a year. Nor does any other woman I know. Again, the majority of your encounters seem to be with gold diggers, and you're extrapolating that onto the rest of the female population.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:51 PM
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When women start seeing men as human beings with emotions rather than robotic security guards with ATMs built into our pockets, I’ll consider your proposal. Yet here are you, refusing to see women as human beings. "But women do it first" a) you need a lesson in human history, and b) women aren't a hive mind. Most women see men as human beings. If your experiences are all with gold diggers, it's because you're unable to attract anyone decent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:03 PM
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not exclusively. That is exactly what we're talking about. The entire point of this conversation is that men become significantly less attractive with age as well, which is why they have to pay. a successful guy who is 10-15 years older than the women absolutely can have her sign up for that. Yet it's still rare. Again, dating and marriage statistics in the US have shown that women are not interested in procreating or settling down with much older men. Women prefer men of their own age range. De…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:07 PM
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For HER offspring, which might not even be HIS (hence she could totally fuck a younger guys but have an older one support her). Now you're just what-if-ing. The thing is though, it's not even like women do that either. Men are seen as resources providers by women. It IS materialistic. I don't think you know what materialism means. They think men should provide for both men and women, while women should only care for themselves. Totally, that's why women fought for the right to work. Open your ey…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:55 PM
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Not sure how far you've read down this thread, but I've posted multiple sources pertaining to marriage and dating statistics, as well as statistics regarding male infertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:08 AM
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doesnt matter. sex is sex, and leveraging resources is definitely better than not fucking them We're talking about desire and SMV, though. Any poor, broke slob on minimum wage can pay for sex if he saves up enough money. Rich older women can also pay some Chad to fuck them, but it doesn't mean they have a high SMV. because you never see women desire men younger than them at any age, while men desire the same age range. That still doesn't mean young women are interested in much older men. The ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:06 AM
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It's not about materialism, it's about seeking a mate who's able to provide for your offspring. However, from an evolutionary standpoint, it still doesn't make sense for young women to seek out older men. In the grand scheme of human history, older men being providers is a fairly new phenomenon. Yes, women want men who can provide, but back in the cave days, alimony and inheritance didn't exist. Nor did 99% of the material wealth we have access to today. If he died, there was nobody left to prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 03:56 AM
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The article you must linked is merely psychological speculation, and doesn't contain any data regarding marriage or dating statistics. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 09:38 PM
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Nobody claims men gain in looks with age Yes they do. Just look at red pillers and their "fine wine" narrative. although their peak is mid 30s which is 10 years later than women. Nope, biologically speaking, men peak at 20-30. By the time they're in their mid 30s, they're close to andropause. all that matters is the possibility being there and gone for women. Not for young women. The majority of us are not interested in procreating with physically inferior older men. sure, but they can still rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 08:56 PM
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Listen, all we need to see is women typically choosing men who are some years older, 5-10 years difference is not uncommon but only goes one way. It's still extremely uncommon though. I'm really not sure why it's so difficult for men to grasp the fact that the majority of young women aren't interested in older men. The few examples of old or middle aged men being able to leverage their resources and pull young women, doesn't mean young women are actually attracted to older men. Leveraging resour…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 08:43 PM
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No, but if young women were actually interested in older men, older men wouldn't have to pay. The trends just aren't in the favor of your assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 08:41 PM
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Sorry, but whether you like it or not, younger women are predominantly interested in younger men. No amount of status/incredibly good genes/or any other qualifiers will make up for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 08:39 PM
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Sure, but your overlooking the fact that young women value youth in a male as well. Younger men are stronger, in better shape physically, more relatable, and healthier to procreate with. Wealth and status will only get a man so far. In the grand scheme of human history, older men being providers is a fairly new phenomenon. Young women didn't evolve to be attracted to older men. Yes, women want men who can provide, but throughout nearly all of human history, alimony and inheritance didn't exist. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 06:04 PM
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There's no biological value to older men either. Aside from the fact that the majority of older men don't gain any significant leverage over the majority of younger men anyway, older men are also inferior to procreate with due to lowered sperm count and quality. Although men never stop producing sperm throughout their lives, sperm production does begin decreasing after the age of 35. Motility, volume and genetic quality of sperm of older men are less likely to achieve a successful pregnancy even…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 05:56 PM
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and women physically cant get children once they hit a certain age, while men can still do it. Men's sperm decreases significantly in count and quality as they age. Sorry, and I say this as a young woman in her early 20s, but no. The majority of young women don't find older men more attractive. If we did, dating and marriage statistics would look completely different. Both men and women lose attractiveness as they age. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's just a part of life. It only becomes crin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 05:47 PM
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Hitting the wall is largely about loosing the great power of young female beauty. I've always been told the wall just means getting old, infertile, and less desirable overall. Biological clocks, and having an easier time getting laid than dated also makes hitting the wall more likely. Neither issue hits men the same way. Not sure how far down you've read into the comments, but men have a biological clock as well. As for getting laid... the existence of escorts and especially sugar babies just go…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 05:25 PM
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Paternity testing isn't a medical procedure though. How exactly would all kids knowing for a fact who their biological parents have bad implications? It's not that there are bad implications of knowing who their biological parents are, it's the fallout surrounding handing over personal, biological data (DNA) to an extremely powerful third party. And in something as important as paternity it's for the best. This is where we disagree. The privacy of the individual (the child) trumps paternity test…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 03:44 PM
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You're arguing against corporations not the concept in and of itself. Not at all. I'm just looking at the practicalities of the issue, as well as the legal implications and the potential consequences, should such a practice become widespread. I'm not against paternity testing in and of itself. As I've already stated, I do wish there was more recourse for men who've fallen victim to paternity fraud, and it would be great if home testing kits were an option. Sadly, governments and large corporatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 03:26 PM
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I see, even then this would still be a concern. There's the issue of whether or not the baby (when they grow up) would be okay with the fact that their parents allowed the government to take a sample of their DNA when they a baby and unable to consent. I know I would be upset if my parents ever did anything like that. I don't even like 23andMe ancestry kits. Given the current nature of our political climate, I fail to see how it's a good idea for parents to start shipping their children's DNA of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 03:12 PM
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Okay u/cuckedalt lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 02:34 PM
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If paternity testing were mandated at birth? It would be a major privacy concern. Governments and corporations collecting every person's DNA en masse just seems like a bad idea, especially given the history surrounding eugenics. I have no issue with anonymous paternity testing, and new legislation put in place to help men who've suffered paternity fraud, but the idea of the government using paternity fraud as an excuse to collect everyone's DNA just doesn't sit right with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 02:33 PM
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What a desperate response. And sorry, but TRT isn't some elixir of youth. It's a type of therapy for men suffering symptomatic hypogonadism, and has many risks outweighing the benefits when used for normal aging. Some of the most common ones being hair loss, sleep apnea, benign prostatic hyperplasia, enlarging breasts, blood clots, acne, and limiting sperm production or causing testicles to shrink. You read more about it here. Seriously... do you even know what TRT really is, and what it's used …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 02:21 PM
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Whatever you gotta tell yourself lol This only makes it even funnier for me. The reality of the situation is, most young wome are of my mindset, they just keep it to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 02:17 PM
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Women are the first to tell that their sex drive is dependent on their "mood" and butterflies and all other fleeting subjective things which are there just to cover their hypergamy. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here, but women on average have lower libidos. I did take a look at your link, and it still doesn't account for the fact that the majority of people marry within their own educational level, and socioeconomic class. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to prove here, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 02:00 PM
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What premises? Do you disagree that women also have sexual and emotional needs and desires. You seriously think the majority of women are out there marrying men they aren't attracted to because they value sociological or educational background? Contary to what a lot of men here love to tell themselves, hypergamy isn't half a prevalent as men here like to tell themselves. Women, on average, marrying men who earn more than them is a consequence of the earnings gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:38 PM
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I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's the most common scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:32 PM
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Yes, this is very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:29 PM
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Men loose attractiveness as well. We all do. We all get old, and become less physically attractive. That's just life. but still most women will have slightly older men than themselves, indicating that its a preference Yes, exactly. Slightly older.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:28 PM
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Men want the exact same things than a woman. Like what? Unfortunately woman can only provide beauty nowadays. You're probably just trying to neg, but if you genuinely believe that, you need to get out more. "Well, it's not like they offer anything else anyway" is a false narrative that some men love to peddle in order to justify feelings of entitlement to younger women and teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 07:44 AM
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That notion has always seemed like a reach to me, as it's predicted on the idea that a) women have nothing to offer but sex, and b) women aren't people with sexual and emotional needs and desires. If women saw men strictly as resource providers, marriage and dating statistics would look completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 07:31 AM
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I genuinely feel bad for men who think this way, and base everything off of status.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 07:28 AM
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You still don't seem to realize that although men never stop producing sperm throughout their lives, sperm production does begin decreasing after the age of 35. Motility, volume and genetic quality of sperm of older men are less likely to achieve a successful pregnancy even in younger women. Hence the phrase "shooting blanks". By around 40 to 45, most men have a significantly lower sperm count, and an increased risk of health conditions in their offspring due to random genetic mutations in sperm…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 04:30 AM
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How has it been "scientifically proven" that men age better? Irrelevant. That's a matter of ethnicity, not sex. You still don't seem to realize that although men never stop producing sperm throughout their lives, sperm production does begin decreasing after the age of 35. Motility, volume and genetic quality of sperm of older men are less likely to achieve a successful pregnancy even in younger women. Hence the phrase "shooting blanks". By around 40 to 45, most men have a significantly lower spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 03:48 AM
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Yes, instead of stopping abruptly, their clocks wind down gradually with age. Many don't realize that although men never stop producing sperm throughout their lives, sperm production does begin decreasing after the age of 35. Motility, volume and genetic quality of sperm of older men are less likely to achieve a successful pregnancy even in younger women. Hence the phrase "shooting blanks". By around the ages 40 to 45, most men have a significantly lower sperm count, as well as increased risk of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 03:02 AM
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Nope, there's a reason many sperm donor clinics won't accept anonymous donations from men over 29-31. Although, yes, it's still not that risky for men or women in their early-mid 30s. It's when people reach their late 30s or early 40s that becomes risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 02:53 AM
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Yes, the tiny percentage of women who sugar are representative of how all women see sex. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 02:47 AM
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Oh, 100%. Although that's an entirely different scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 02:20 AM
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FiNe WiNe
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:19 AM
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How did I deflect? I merely pointed out the lack of knowledge on a subject doesn't meaning doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:18 AM
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I'm in my early 20s, and am married to someone in my own age group. I'm also physically fit, don't smoke, don't use drugs, only drink on occasion, have long hair, and a conventionally attractive face.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:14 AM
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I know what TRT is, and it's not going to make up for the fact that men hit the wall. TRT has few proven benefits for people, especially younger males, with normal or high T levels. Plus, the risks may outweigh the benefits. There is no proof that it will restore you to the level of physical fitness or sexual function of your youth, make you live longer, prevent heart disease or prostate cancer, or improve your memory or mental sharpness. not to mention even a man who at the end of anropause sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:09 AM
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I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make though. I'm not denying that resources or status aren't a priority for women, only that they're not a woman's top priority when selecting a mate. If they were, the majority of young women would be going after 50+ year old men. The link you posted also doesn't account for the fact the majority of people still marry within their own age group, and socio-economic class.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 12:52 AM
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It does though, a lot of men just like to pretend it doesn't. That why I referenced andropause. It begins around 30, and really takes off by around 40; the same time most women begin to enter menopause. Plus, just looking around will show me that men don't age much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 11:36 PM
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Lol just because people don't know what it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People also use to blame women for the sex of the baby, something that doctors and researchers eventually came to discover was determined by whether the man's sperm is carrying an X or Y chromosome.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 11:20 PM
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You're statement that young men prioritize beauty and women prioritize resources/status, is meant to support the narrative that young women are predominantly interested in older men. My "wall of text" negates that fact, as I've pointed out that women are first-and-foremost interested in producing healthy offspring, and that older men aren't necessarily a key to obtaining resources and status either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 11:12 PM
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Men in general prioritize beauty and women in general prioritize resources/status. Wrong, women still want a relatable partner, but more importantly a partner who will give them healthy offspring. Something they put at risk when they chose to procreate with older men. Sorry, but young women didn't evolve to be attracted to much older men. In the grand scheme of human history, older men being providers is a fairly new phenomenon. Alimony and inheritance didn't exist. Nor did 99% of the material w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:58 PM
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Lol, I knew the "muh collagen" line was coming. Just look around... men do not age better. I'm not saying they age any worse, but they certainly don't age any better. Also, while women overall experience higher levels of obesity by less than 4% (in America), men still experience higher rates of visceral obesity worldwide. we also dont have a biological clock the same way woman do. Look up andropause, infertility in older males, and the risks associated with older fathers. Sorry, but men hit the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:53 PM
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Nope, men hit the wall in their early to mid thirties. Look up andropause. Women value money more than sex... The more free the society, the less common age gap marriages and relationships become. Women want security and a provider, yes, but they also want a male who's going to give them healthy offspring. Something they risk when they choose to procreate with older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:45 PM
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Fair enough, as long as you're both into it. Oh ya creme of the crop, idk, I think only famous people get that lol. Yeah, exactly. A lot of red pill guys don't seem to realize that it's merely a matter of a small percentage of older men being able to leverage their wealth and status. Which is something that extremely wealthy people of both genders, and all ages are able to do. The one's who actually buy into the "fine wine" narrative are delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:40 PM
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Yeah, pretty much. I'm fine with admitting that men can leverage their wealth and status, but yeah... it starts getting hysterical when they try to convince themselves they age like "fine wine". Literally nobody ages like fine wine. Not women, and not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:30 PM
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Yeah, for sure. And daddy kinks are pretty rare in the first place, so it's not like they have an abundance of options to choose from. Although, idk if 30 is old enough to be "daddy" material. No offense, but that's more 40-45, no? Anyways, while red pillers do tend to prioritize fitness, the rest of their antics usually do them in. Being fit will only get a person so far, but if they find themselves to be 40 and still single, they're not going to picking from the creme-of-the-crop.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:24 PM
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Well, yeah... that applies to anyone. Aside from genetics, diet and lifestyle are definitely ways in which someone can ensure they age gracefully, but they'll still be older. After a point, there's no pretending. No matter how much lifting or skin treatments a person does.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:08 PM
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Omg, Zack and Cody! I remember that show! Haha Also, Clooney met his wife when she was 30, and married her when she was 36. For some reason, red pillers hate being reminded of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:04 PM
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Lol or they go all "b-b-but Leonardo DiCaprio and George Clooney". The funniest one I've ever heard IRL was when my friend's dad and uncle tried saying young women are actually into middle aged men because "just look at Tony Soprano". Yes, these guys really thought a fictional TV show was "proof" that young women are into overweight, middle aged men with beer guts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 09:54 PM
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Yup, and the very fact that sugar daddies exist only goes to prove that older men don't actually become more appealing with age. If they did, they wouldn't have to pay. Red pillers need to come to terms with the fact that men hit the wall as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 09:36 PM
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I have never once even heard or read a story like that happening. I've seen it happen. Are you denying that happens? Not at all. If a man gets tricked into signing a birth certificate without verifying paternity, he's not suddenly off the hook for child support if he can prove the kid isn't his. Then he shouldn't sign the birth certificate until he can verify paternity. My point isn't that these situations are non-existent, my point is that there isn't some mainstream societal outlook that men m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 12:01 AM
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To their client? Probably not, unless the client is seeking other services they offer. That goes for any other profession though. I'm pretty sure there are hairdressers, construction workers, accountants, janitors, software developers, and cashiers who have a lot to offer in the context of a friendship or a relationship, but that isn't relevant when you're soliciting them for their services. I also dont under how your question pertains to my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 11:44 PM
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You're personal anecdote doesn't negate anything I've said. All it does is tell me women don't have any actual desire for you, they just see you as a means to an end. I’d love to meet and settle down a woman that wants to have intellectual conversations and not be into childish shallow bullshit, but they just whore it up and insult my intelligence by treating me like just another stereotypical dick-led generic dumbass like they’re used to. Take a honest look at yourself then. Maybe you don't act…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 11:36 PM
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When else would a man "legally adopt" a child and then try to abandon it? When a man marries a single mother, legally adopts her kids as his own, raises them for years, divorces the mother years later, and wants nothing to do with the kids. You know what the other commenter is talking about has some truth to it, you're just trying to reframe it as being justified now. Not at all. Men being told they need to step up raise someone else's kids isn't a widespread issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 11:27 PM
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"He doesn't have to know" "We can still be friends" I've even heard guys say "find a woman in a relationship, because it means she has a lower body count and is willing to commit".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 07:38 PM
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While preselection definitely exists, you're failing to see is that usually it's not about the guy, it's about feeding her own ego. She's not actually interested in the guy, she just likes the idea that she's "hot enough" to make a married man cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 07:32 PM
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I've never heard of that either. There are tons of men either don't care (becausethey just wanna fuck), or get off on the idea of cucking or one-upping another guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 07:30 PM
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I'm not sure how I can say it any clearer: Every contract, regardless of what it's for, has a certain set of standards and protocols that must be taken. Sometimes those standards and protocols differ. However, those standards and protocols (whatever they may be) must always be met. If they are not, judge has the ability to render the contract null and void. It's also hilarious that you keep going back to "but muh phone contract". As if prenuptial agreements are in anyway comparable to signing up…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 07:24 PM
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It was expected to for men to “grow up” and “man up” Yeah, but to take care of their own kids... not someone else's. The only time I can think of men being told to take care of kids that aren't biologically theirs is if they marry the mother, legally adopt the children, but then try and abandon them after being married to the mother for years. If you want to shame men to “grow up” culturally then you have to shame women being promiscuous, culturally and that’s not going to happen. The two aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 07:08 PM
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If a person wants to hire a sex worker, I would say they have an obligation to employ someone from a reputable platform, ensure the person they're hiring is an adult (and not barely legal, like 18 or 19), isn't a chronic drug user, and takes time read up on the warning signs that someone is being trafficked.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 07:02 PM
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Then those women are extremely ignorant in their views of sex work. So long as the escorts they're seeing are in that line if work of their own volition, there isn't an issue. It only begins to get muddy when the escorts are barely legal adults (18, 19) or are being trafficked (from another country).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 06:52 PM
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Funny how that all goes out the window when it’s a team of athletes or celebrities doing the “exploiting.” People who accuse athletes of being exploitative are most likely not okay with sex work in general though, so it's not like they're giving anyone a pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 06:49 PM
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That notion has always seemed like a reach to me, as it's predicted on the idea that a) women have nothing to offer but sex, and b) women aren't people with sexual and emotional needs and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 06:48 PM
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Some view them similar to women jumping the picket line, but most are genuinely just turned off. Similar to how many men dont want high body count women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 06:45 PM
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It probably has more to do with the fact that people just have misconceptions about the sex work industry, and are of the belief that purchasing sex is inherently immoral. A behavior that was once expected and taken for granted and expected by men becomes simply a possibility. When has it been a widespread expectation that men are to step up and care for someone else's kids? The early 1900s? Certainly not the 1950s, when people sent their pregnant daughters away to hide illegitimate pregnancies.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 06:43 PM
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In between films, Leo DiCaprio used to spend long vacations on yachts, with his beer belly out, surrounded by "models"...who were clearly being paid, or at least there for the clout. Literally no one in the world cared. Finally happy to see someone here admit that DiCaprio isn't all that, and even with all his status and wealth, he still had to pay. TL;DR: sex work is work; most women do it because they enjoy it; men should not be shamed for seeing sex work and it should be normalised. I agree, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 06:26 PM
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Sounds like older men have a greater incentive to pick younger women, if it’s harder for them to impregnate. Did you even read the studies I linked? The woman's age has little relevance once a man begins to experience andropause. Sure, older men may want younger women, but younger women (on average) aren't interested in procreating with much older men. It would be rational for women to go for younger men but they don’t. The vast majority of people date and marry within their own age range though…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:00 AM
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For women it gets exponentially harder to get her pregnant as she ages (by her mid 30s it’s twice as hard to get pregnant and around 15% are infertile). Yes, women experience a drop in fertility as well. I've never denied that. Infertility rates are also exponential. Something tells me it’s not exactly the same for men. The reason the risks associated with older fathers were overlooked for so long, is because older men tend to have older female partners. Do you have the numbers on how much harde…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:06 PM
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Nope, there's aren't "more" risks with older women, just different risks. Babies born to older mothers have a higher risk of certain chromosome problems, such as Down syndrome, and a higher risk of pregnancy loss (miscarriage and stillbirth), most likely due to pre-existing medical conditions or fetal chromosomal abnormalities. However... Data from more than 40 million births showed that babies born to fathers of an “advanced paternal age,” which roughly equates to older than 35, were at a highe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 10:15 PM
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Literally, lol. Even when I was a teenager, I knew to stay away from these guys. Most of my friends did too, but there were a few gullible ones who weren't as savvy when it came to picking up on red flags, and there were times I had to set them straight and make them realize these guys were no good. Let me tell you though how angry these middle aged guys would get when even teenagers were warning their friends to stay away... One guy called me a "fucking bitch" and even tried telling my friend "…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 05:46 PM
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It's a tactic used to avoid accountability, and gaslight and discredit older women who warn younger girls of these men. E.g., "Don't listen to her, she's just jealous."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 04:42 AM
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Most women and men can produce healthy kids up until 40. After that, it's risky. A young woman who wants lots of health children, isn't going to settle down with a much older man (if she's aware of the risks associated with older fathers).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:59 AM
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Yeah, that's my point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:33 PM
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Yes it does, it just isn't as widely spoken about. There's a reason the majority of sperm donor clinics don't accept anonymous donations from men over the ages 29-35. Not to mention, the health risks associated with reproducing with an older male. lol at you getting upset at the word girl. You sound old and ugly Lol I'm in my early 20s, and am married. Nice try though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:31 PM
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Yeah totally, my happily married mother, and grandmother who've advised me to stay away from older men are only doing so out of sheer narcissism and jealousy. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:23 PM
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This entire thread is just going to devolve into "wahhh why can't middle aged men fuck 18 year olds without being judged".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:20 PM
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Lol I'm an under 25 year old woman, who's warded off older creeps by pretending I'm in my late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:18 PM
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So do younger men. Also, "younger girl"... euughhhh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:15 PM
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I think u/Asatmaya has a completely fake take. What else would you suggest? That full grown adults dump all their issues (that they refuse to work on) onto another people? How would that constitute a healthy relationship? There a difference between venting/seeking support, and just using another person as your emotional dumping ground/punching bag. Would you be okay with some BPD woman dumping all her shot on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 08:13 PM
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Personal boundaries, a spouse that isn't comfortable with it, fear of rejection from their community, stigma, fear of it affecting their life in some way down the line (women have been fired over leaked nudes), etc. But also the fact that it's a niche market. Most men aren't going to pay for nudes, so it wouldn't be worth it, as they most likely won't even make much. I could easily say "what's stopping men from being gay-for-pay", but it would be incredibly disingenuous of me to pretend it's a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 06:04 PM
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I just read some news paper and there was an article about a woman who makes 50k a month selling nudes online. I don't think men out-earn women in this regard. Implying that women (on average) have the ability to out-earn, or earn just as much as men by simply selling nudes, without addressing the many nuances behind the earnings gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:59 PM
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Nice diversion, but no. Women didn't "want to compete with their husbands". It wasn't for shits-and-giggles. They wanted economic freedom, the right to vote, and the ability to support themselves without being forced to rely on a (potentially abusive) man. You do realize that women have always worked, right? They just weren't able to collect their own pay; and if they did, they couldn't open a bank account or invest their earnings anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:52 PM
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You may have misread my comment, indent actually think that. I'm referring to what men on PPD will say. But yeah... that's kind fo my point. IRL people are normal (for the most part), but on reddit, people will always find a reason to criticize someone for their choices. And btw, for most women, it's not about money. Before I got married, my husband took me on dates to free art galleries, nature walks, cultural events, street fairs, and inexpensive, but fun restaurants. Sure, none of it was expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:45 PM
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Did I imply that it wasn't? What a lot of people don't realize, is that it isn't a wage gap, it's an earnings gap. Mostly driven by motherhood and child rearing. On average, women who don't have children are nearly on par with men (of their own age) in terms of earning, but women who are willing to take time off to bare and raise their children are going to earn significantly less (on average).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:43 PM
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Cut the shit, lol. Many men here are only happy to be traditional when it suits them, as well. When they want to sleep around or not pay for dates, they're happy for women to reject traditional customs. But when they feel they're ready to settle down, it suddenly becomes a problem when they can't find a traditional woman. tl;dr, many men here want to sleep around, but still expect a sizable portion of women to remain "pure".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:40 PM
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For most women, it's not about money either. It's about weeding out entitled little boys who think putting in minimal effort entitles them to sex or a relationship. Before I got married, my husband took me on dates to free art galleries, nature walks, cultural events, street fairs, and inexpensive, but fun restaurants. Sure, none of it was expensive per say, but I loved it because it was fun, and I could tell he put in a lot of effort. (Key word: effort, not money.) Most women who say a "cheap d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:28 PM
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Overall, I would say just do whatever your comfortable with. If you want to pay, then pay. If you don't want to pay, don't pay. If the other person doesn't like it (whatever your decision may be) that's also fine. All that means is that it wasn't meant to be, and it's better to find out early on. That said, I'm personally of the mindset that whoever did the "asking out" or chose the venue, should be the one to pay (within reason).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:11 PM
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Yeah, a lot of people don't realize it's an earnings gap, but not because women are lazy, but because of motherhood and child rearing. On average, women who don't have children are nearly on par with men in terms of earning, but women who are willing to take time off to bare and raise their children are going to earn significantly less (on average).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:07 PM
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You realize that's an extremely niche situation, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:05 PM
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These guy don't seem to be aware of the fact that the majority of child support cases aren't Jerry Springer situations, or women stealing men's DNA. They're between couples who have broken-up or divorced, and the father willingly put his name on the birth certificate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 07:31 AM
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the presumption of duress if signed without legal representation, which is absolutely NOT the case for regular contracts. I'm not sure where you live, but were I am, that applies to nearly every contract. Not just prenuptial agreements. Going to court has nothing to do with how the law sees prenups vs. other contracts. How does the law view prenuptial contracts differently? A prenuptial agreement is a contract. There are different types of contracts, each with their own set of requirements and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 07:12 AM
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The dishonesty of people here trying to argue that prenups are treated like other contracts is really something. How are they treated any differently? Each contract has a set of protocols that must be followed upon drafting it, and if a contract isn't drafted properly, it can be thrown out. Oh, and FYI, people do go to court over employment contracts, and if the protocols required for an employment contract weren't met (whatever they may be), a judge may determine the contract null and/or void.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 03:48 AM
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They don't hold up in court. Tf "Well actually, great-aunt Gertrude left me her entire estate. It says so here on this napkin."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 04:26 PM
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They also don't understand that it in some cases, a prenuptial agreement is only applied to assets each individual possessed before marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 04:21 PM
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So basically, as stated by article, prenups will be thrown out when they aren't drafted properly. This isn't an issue specific to prenups, this applies to nearly every contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 04:18 PM
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Funnily enough women seem feel personally attacked by question hence they try the whole "b-b-b-b-b-b-but if you switch gender is it okay?!!!!!!!!!" approach. a) men do that too. b) you still haven't been able to answer, yes or no. You just keep diverting the topic by saying "it must mean he isn't into ladies hehehe" or "then she has other problems". So I'll again again, would you be okay with a woman cheating it she didn't feel fulfilled due to a man's boundary she feels is unfair? Yes, or no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 11:30 AM
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They turned him gay? This "he's gay" thing is a mere cop out. If a high n count woman suddenly wants to withhold sex, does that mean she "turned gay" as well? Her emotional needs? Yes, people have emotional as well as sexual needs from the person they're in a relationship with. So if a woman feels as though her partner is holding out on her, is it justifiable for her to cheat to get her needs met?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:34 AM
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That's extremely selfish though, and isn't justifiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:31 AM
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If he did, she might as well leave bc he isn't into ladies. Cop out. Say he's 100% heterosexual and has a high n count, but is making her wait or isn't meeting her sexual needs. Is it okay for her to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:30 AM
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Yes or no, is it okay for a woman to cheat on a high n count man if he isn't meeting her sexual needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:29 AM
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but women aren't usually going to have the same n count issues that men do, I'm afraid. Okay, but if they do, is it okay for them to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:07 AM
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If he feels it's sus, he can leave. For some reason, I seriously doubt high count men would withhold sex... Okay, but if he did, would it be okay for her to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:07 AM
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If he feels it's suspicious, he can leave. If he feels she isn't being up front with her values, or is lying, why even stay in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:06 AM
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She'll find out if he's a dumb cheat! So it's okay to cheat so long as other person doesn't find out? Wait the hell man wants to wait?! Same rules apply. He won't find out... unless she's a dumb cheat... Yeah, humor me. Say he wants to wait, but has fucked other women in the past. Is it okay for her to cheat? Hell, let's even look at it this way. Your argument is premised off of the idea that it's okay to cheat if a person's needs aren't being met in a given period of time. Say the woman has emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:03 AM
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Or enjoy the relationship, but ger his needs met by cheating until she's ready. Enjoy what about the relationship? And no, it doesn't work that way. There's no way to justify "enjoying the relationship" while simultaneously betraying the person. A woman with a high n count isn't going to be taken seriously if she makes a man wait for a year tho... what made her realise? Maybe she realized she wasn't going to score a partner by sleeping with him to quickly. Maybe she became a born again Christian…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 05:00 AM
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How does her past justify him cheating? If he doesn't like the terms, he's free to leave. Would you say it's okay for low n count women to cheat on high n count men? I personally would say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 04:52 AM
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