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No he is absolutely right. Your lot are dragging and derailing this into personal sphere, when /u/genkernels is actually being descriptive. Talk about feminists as allies, when you are so solipsistic. Enshrining what genkernels actually said Lying [by omission] is a great way to persuade people, but it isn't a great way to have people actually work with you as partners. You don't believe circumcision is merely a bodily autonomy issue. Nor is denying circumcision solely as a bodily autonomy issue…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 09:43 AM
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^ Proof that you see bodily autonomy in black and white only. I said that harm the crime of MGM does is a bigger atrocity, and you went berserk because what we really disagree on (not bodily autonomy), runs contrary to your feminist beliefs, that of creating a double bind for men, where him reacting to prevent harm means you can accuse him of infringing on someone's bodily autonomy, and accuse him of being a coward if he doesn't. So much for "alliance" between men and women. Enshrining what genk…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 09:34 AM
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No you are playing dense on purpose. Hoping that white knights will come to your rescue after your nonsense was exposed by genkernels. The fact that you haven't acknowledged what genkernels was really saying all the time, repeatedly, and trying to derail with allegations of personal attacks instead, shows that you see men's rights types as an enemy, and only support men's rights when they enable feminist dogma. So much for "alliance" between men and women. Enshrining what genkernels actually sai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 09:30 AM
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It's really not. Foreskin restoration is not a complete reversal and doesn't work for everyone or even restore the same sensitivity. That was given by me¹, you aren't the first to bring this up. [1] >> MGM is irreversible, clearly harm is being done When it pertains to children, that is no longer the case. So kid vaccines outweigh parents' bodily autonomy concerns in your book? Glad you're with me at least on that one. We talk about why sexual consent is important but anti-vaxxers haven't been a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 09:27 AM
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You coming here from a third world shit hole speaks volumes about your own culture and how much more unjustly punitivistic it is. Seriously, piss off to Menslib already, male feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 01:07 PM
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fuck off freeloader troll I have no respect for you either
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 01:06 PM
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most of the arguments there that are considered acceptable almost always favour women. Like what? One lame defense of the routine male genital mutilation that I still keep hearing about, is about babies not carrying any memory of the infant torture. I actually think that the minority of boys who were circumcised at the age of 5 and later is still bigger than the total of FGM procedures against girls in the world, in absolute numbers. Intactivists can put emphasis on boys' suffering, and piggybac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 01:05 PM
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I agree with him. BTW fingers in your ears look stupid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 01:04 PM
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Hey, just roaming around and went by to say thank you and I support your reasoning. Keep up the good work. I don't completely get the stuff you said about the UN, and I personally do not care to use your argument in the fight against MGM. I completely agree though that pretending MGM is all about bodily autonomy is a complete dead end.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 01:03 PM
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No, you're just putting words in my mouth. You are the one, a complete stranger might I add, who presumes to state what my true beliefs are when you know nothing about me. Too much salt spoils a dish. genkernels' argument is bullet-proof.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 01:03 PM
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I pointed out that ear piercing is usually reversible, but that people still oppose doing it without a child's consent. MGM is irreversible, clearly harm is being done. Also if you accent muh consent as the primary injustice, count on anti-vaxxers coming in and hijacking intactivism for their own goals. There were disagreements of course between them but we were all about to disagree civilly and intelligently, and many of us were friends. The biggest change was that while we may have had differe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 12:59 PM
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I'm going to block you until the mods (whom you also insulted, by the way) hopefully help you see this situation in a more clear light. The metaphorical gun threat, including lies and talking shit about me you have no proof of. You talk of civility, yet you are the first to resort to violence lol BTW you've wasted my time too, and you aren't the arbiter of this discussion to set the tone preferable to you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 10:04 PM
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Lol, I had waaay too much accusations of projection from Tamerloon of ProMaleCollective too when bringing up existing problems. Seems to be the common thing among sociopaths.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:57 PM
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Hey, just don't pretend it was me okay, when you ran away from a debate, that I did expend considerable effort on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:51 PM
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Ad homs and lies from you prove you have no argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:47 PM
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May I ask for the studies? It is your responsibility to provide proof that backs your claim that abstinence is harmful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:46 PM
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If you really want to use this terminology (I wouldn't), pretty much everyone was oppressing everyone else in the past. Yeah what would you use?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:36 PM
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Ahh you didn't address anything I said, perfect! You'd have to get to know him more to draw that conclusion about his arguments lololol I've spent more time debating him than you did hurled insults towards a lot of other people here Come false accusations, I am routinely abused first in this sub and am relatively civil. Fuck it, you're dishonest. Also, I do not regret that enemies of men are shedding some crocodile tears He gives off incel vibes a lot more lol. if you expect to find solidarity a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:35 PM
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Sincerely I'm still not entirely sure that a 16 year old guy having sex with a 20 year girl is worse for the man psyche than the guy not having sex until 25. That comes down to the evident and studied harm being done to minors. There is no comparable thing for abstinence, you alluding to some harm of being a virgin in his twenties is you talking out of your ass.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:20 PM
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(but what I got about his post's core idea — that the way a society is organized culturally follows its material mode of production looks mostly sound to me) More like a shell to hide misandrist thinking. (well, I'm kidding but you get the idea — why do you expect me to care this much about approval of strangers on the internet? If this is something you do yourself, maybe that's not very healthy for you) It is not about approval, it is about team tactics. Team that doesn't have each other's back…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:05 PM
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Regarding that Marxist anti-male nut case Methylene....I was much counting on your support approximately half a year back to deconstruct and reveal what nonsense a couple of his particularly regressive anti-male anti-science posts were, that implied men were abusing and dominating women as a matter of course throughout millennia via the Kin Corporate Patriarchy, which lends to modern capitalist society that is sexist against women. I needed every gun I could get and you didn't show up. And I tho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 08:14 PM
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fuck off troll
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 03:48 PM
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Pro-male way or the high way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 10:25 AM
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OP talked about prisons and criminal justice, yet you went on "muh can't have sex anymore." Your priorities are seriously off, male feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:14 AM
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Gash, judging by the responses, pro-male men must rub it your faces just how it is considered acceptable to make statements harmful to men. This sub should be a rallying ground for pushback against misandrists, not "let's forget the bullies, maybe they'll find another victim." No one is told to tolerate thieves, no matter how fringe they are. In my seventh grade, when a chap was caught shoplifting, the school lambasted him publicly, to drive home the reality that felons won't be put up with. Yet…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 09:04 AM
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The standard for being pro-male is not based on whether you choose to subject yourself to listening to fringe groups. You appeal against logical fallacies, but you don't know how to spot one at all. This sub is supposed to be "pro-male action and advocacy" not "listening and subjecting yourself to stuff you personally like." a lot of people don't care A lot of people are anti-male as well, as evidenced here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 08:32 AM
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Yeah, I've talked to you before (it was kinda similar, about fighting against the usurped ProMaleCollective) and yeah, your opinion is completely invalid, male feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 08:20 AM
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I care, and pro-male men care. Misandric trash won't care about what happens to men no matter what. Reddit censors MGTOW and incel rants, and men aren't getting away saying shit like that in public either. "Men don't strike back in self-defense, they just laugh it off" is a behavior masters expect of their slaves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 08:19 AM
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You coming here from a third world shit hole speaks volumes about your own culture and how much more unjustly punitivistic it is. Seriously, piss off to Menslib already, male feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/20 08:18 AM
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You are a trad con. Your other beliefs are trad con beliefs. You are complaining that woman bribing prices are too high. You want men locked in "enforced monogamy," men forced into exploitative relationshits who're better off single.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 09:44 AM
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Being one in the next life, that would be something. Would like to see you disappointed trad con, when the real pro-male movement sweeps most female privilege away.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 05:24 AM
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I agree with this - indeed, this is why r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates parted ways with r/ProMaleCollective. More like you getting a boot for enabling concern trolls, feminists and misandrists. Your mod team was never represented by a pro-male person, but you have an incel and a trad con as mods. It is inaccurate to imply you and pro-male men ever have taken on a shared path.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 03:35 PM
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You could've left it for the positive karma from feminists dominating this thread. Here is the copy, because I've realized the context was lost after deletion. https://web.archive.org/web/20200229105553/https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/f92p8u/are_there_people_here_who_actually_think_that/fj2zi1x/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 03:28 PM
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I was just pointing out the commonalities between his and a trad con rhetoric. I agree with him on equality aspect, though it is unrealistic to expect of society to put demands on women, hence we're better off liberating men instead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 03:23 PM
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If society was caring about evidence, Amber Heard would be doing her time now. Politically, it may be wise to pick our battles in terms of which cases we bring attention to. You are not a serious political activist and even admit this. You are free to take principled stances where real politicians have to keep quiet. Jumping on the defamation bandwagon against Trump and Weinstein was your own decision. I literally just posted a comment defending Johnny Depp, also a high status man. You know how …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/20 10:54 AM
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Deleted comment I was replying to. I haven't looked in detail into the Trump and Weinstein cases. Based on my knowledge Weinstein is guilty and the allegations against Trump don't look good either. Both are obviously assholes in general too. Out of all the men accused of abuse, they're not the cases I'd pick to rush to their defence - that's not the hill I want male advocacy to die on. On the other hand, I know how these things can be twisted through propaganda so I can't be 100% sure. \ Out of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/20 07:54 AM
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You mean, luring them into a pond of male feminist sharks?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/20 06:11 AM
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Great bud, I bet that sounded a lot smarter in your head. Also, next time before smashing your greased internet warrior key, consider that I am not a forwarding bureau for u\MaskofMen, and not responsible for his removed comments..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/20 03:40 PM
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u/MaskofMen, I see the mod rampage on wrongspeak continues. I don't believe in equality, be it between the sexes, the races or even two individual people. Equality doesn't exist. It's a leftist god that you have to pay homage to in their circles, but not something you find in nature (the universe). Free yourself from this delusion and see just how odd and uneven the foundation of this debate seem. I think that we can reasonably approach gender equality, it's something to be strived for for every…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/20 09:41 AM
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I use sex as a way to recognize or distinguish a person (kind of like the shape of your skull), and I won't accept gendered crap like "he's not man enough." Disparaging labels addressing a young man, like "lad," or "youth" when referred to in third person, are applied with intent to insult him for not living up to his ascribed gender role, even if age in particular, is outside his control. So my take is that sex has to be an innate characteristic, that can't be taken away or granted (for example…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/20 03:48 PM
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u/LeftNatTay is getting ignored from now on. He refuses to respect my hard boundaries, after I told him it was over and I'm not interested, which is proof enough he is an abusive stalking nut job. The way he moves his trap would've had his ass handed to him IRL, but this is a feminist-controlled online space, so of course he will get enabled, and the cocky deranged stalker will get away with it. I do not have time for stalkers, nor do I have any for abusers. If you believe in the concept of obje…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/20 10:40 AM
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I never quite understood how the middle class is exactly privileged, when it's the most financially unstable part of the Proletariat. This is actually the defense capitalist financial institutions use, in times of crisis when they need a bailout. There is no way to use the concept of objectification appropriately, because it is the gaslighting term feminists use to attack male self-esteem, exacerbate male self-loathing, inflict emotional torture and socially ostracise men. can actually define wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/20 07:05 PM
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You can't count on any support from both white communities and black ghettos, obviously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/20 01:54 PM
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I want you (intersectional) feminists gone from this sub, though it's a little too late for that. Some cripples are fit for battle no more, even if completely cured from the disease.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/20 01:22 PM
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You do. Should you come and make acquaintances in any Western country, you will be harassed by cops at one point or another. There is oppression of black men by white men. Color sentencing gap is a prime example of white male privilege. Not only the blacks receive harsher punishments for the same crime, one of the reasons behind the gap is illuminating. White offenders hoard the non-government sponsored departures and variances: Non-government sponsored departures and variances appear to contrib…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/20 01:21 PM
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Most "leftists" these days really are privileged middle-class retards, driven by anxiety and inferiority complex, who failed to meet the high expectations their parents and peers put on their success. Since the male kind of leftist doesn't have the female privilege to bring up nonsense like "glass ceilings," "emotional labor," "objectification" to justify why his out-and-out generous, or at least decent, upbringing did not yield the much counted on returns, he smartly keeps quiet on economics, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/20 01:19 PM
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Dude is making a full circle. Waffles on about vague anti-male concept, refuses to discuss it because he knows it is dwelling on thin ice, brings up fictional version of feminism. Rinse and repeat. There can be no reason to repeat the truth twice in the thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 07:01 AM
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The hypocrisy aspect is pretty straightforward, it doesn't need debating. I am specifically interested in where did you get the idea that: in fact it [FDS dating practice] is bringing them [people who are in the femaledatingstrategy mindset] further back in social liberty.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 07:08 AM
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Thus it is hypocritical for women of /r/fds since they often claim they are feminists as well, hence "setting themselves back". Feminists aren't against male provision as your comment implies. It is hypocritical to demand leverage in the job market i.e. privileges and keep the male gender role. But that is the argument against feminism, it is a pro men's rights position. FDS women acting unashamed of their hypocrisy and with feminist ideology spreading like wildfire, gathering more mainstream in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 08:57 AM
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The US Army is a welfare program for those who couldn't cut it in the free market. The tough guy talk of "discipline" is a smokescreen for low status. See my other comment as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 08:05 AM
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How is this a valid opinion on a leftist sub? That's because it's neither inherently left-wing, nor right-wing political opinion. It's a trad con coward's worldview. Trad cons waffling on about protecting and sacrificing avoid those raw deals themselves. Most have never served in combat roles a single day, and those who did, try and conceal the sense of shame of being at the bottom of the hierarchy with tough guy talk. Instinctively, they want another bunch of suckers to take their place, so all…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 08:04 AM
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I've noticed you ignored that: according to feminism this equates to women having less power So is this true or not? What is your opinion. You spent a lot of time trying to prove to me that is the case, you must take a stand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 10:05 PM
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For the record, you were talking out of your ass from the start. I will link more to you, after I see some effort from you. Your position is too vague to be considered as it is. Nice link you gave me though, too bad it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, which is the female dating strategy furthering the wage gap and enforcing steteotypes. Stop playing stupid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 09:57 PM
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Less importantly, his frame of reference was seriously off, praising Russia as a gender-egalitarian country. You lie What's next for men's advocacy, praising North Korea or China because the two sexes are equally non-free there? This "frame of reference" implies riding the coat-tails of feminism. I am for the clean slate design. Traditionalist societies are bad and men suffer much under traditionalism. But examining traditionalist shit holes is crucial for pointing out female social dominance. M…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 09:52 PM
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Where's your proof on this? Where's your proof to the contrary? This is exactly what I was asking of you all along by the way. according to feminism this equates to women having less power So is this true or not? What is your opinion. You spent a lot of time trying to prove to me that is the case, you must take a stand. Something to educate yourself on: If you weren't living in caves, you've heard of Affirmative Action; /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cwtkdk/the_wealth_gap_51_60_of_all_wealth_…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 02:15 PM
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In other words, you've no solution. And no, me asking was not out of context. You can't just say: this is how it's ought to be, but the solution is either nonexistent or irrelevant to the sub because you as an LWMA won't propose a policy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 01:59 PM
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You put it out to me that you want to see change: and I'm telling you things how things ought to be it was natural to see how it relates to this conversation. Getting done with the Selective Service is a laudable goal and I'm on board (women being exempt is a proof of female social dominance and I'm against that), but I don't see how it relates to our starting topic you paid very sparse attention to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:59 AM
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That is not true, and history and politics and economics aren't on your side. I'd like to know how you reached the conclusion that men taking more risks and doing dangerous jobs translates to female political disempowerement (nonsensical throughout the history). The financial power dynamic argument doesn't hold water, because women have better access to the job market and hoard the majority of wealth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:50 AM
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The most recent example is you dumping on /u/Thin-Ant. And yes, here, you do stay the fuck out of trad con nut job circlejerks (when you aren't downvoted to oblivion for pointing out capitalism is not to blame for most of the cultural shifts), so you don't have an excuse to repeatedly mock my and /u/Thin-Ant's position as a group of radical MRAs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 08:16 AM
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Your "general observations" are also just examples of toxic masculinity. Nonsense. This squarely is on women's tabs. how things ought to be What policies do you propose?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 07:09 PM
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I'd say society needs to let women pick up the economic slack You imply that women are barred from that. Why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 07:05 PM
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No I'm interested where you come from with this statement: women are putting themselves back. I ask, how women are putting themselves back by relying on male labor and sacrifices? undermines modern feminist values This is only if you listen to feminist platitudes. We judge by what they do, not what they say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 06:59 PM
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Why you willfully ignorant like to pretend you're smarter than others all the time? Or is it a substitute for your lack of intellectual capacity? You, as a stranger, have NO RIGHT to judge a person on such merits without getting to know them. It has nothing to do with "demanding rewards for their sacrifices". I don't judge individual men, stop strawmanning. This is an observation on gender dynamics. Girls will do without a relationship if the pool of men is not to their satisfaction, men are wil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 06:04 PM
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Men have a slack to pick? Men are the net taxpayers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 06:03 PM
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And now that you told "he was banned for something else he said" you can spin it around whatever way you want and dismiss anything I say to correct you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 03:44 PM
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you educate yourself, about accepting feminist platitudes at face value. toxic masculinity is bad for society, however men must not let a feminist hate movement to define what masculinity is toxic. That toxic masculinity feminists rail against is nothing but women bringing up a pretext to be ungrateful. Feminists aren't against women leeching off of men, they are against men demanding their share and compensation for their sacrifices.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 03:43 PM
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Women should be able to support themselves if you were truly a feminist. I'm sorry, you've a very myopic understanding of affirmative action, and similar feminist policies. Women are able to toil away just fine without special privileges. And feminism is all about privileges for women and men picking up the tab.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 03:42 PM
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That was a specific enough example. Regardless, it's better looking in snew red, color of trad con mod hypocrisy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 12:44 PM
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A guess is that your rabid trad con mods made him do it. He saw that comments which link studies debunking anti-male concepts like Alpha and Beta male disappear with no explanation while feminist trolling stays, because like, appeasing the aggressor and all that stuff that was historically proven to thwart imminent wars.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 08:08 AM
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I've given you more than the deserved effort. You are the one making claims. Please elaborate on those two answers or admit that you're being intentionally vague.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 08:08 AM
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You have slightly saner views than most here, but it's all moot because you prefer to take aggression on marginalized groups and avoid upsetting feminists on the other hand, arguing mostly semantics to give credence. A compliment! Thank you. If you think taking a dump on marginalized groups makes you a better person, think again. You are rambling on and on about me promoting conspiracy theory with no evidence of that of course, while you yourself hunt for scapegoats. If I am a conspiracy nut, wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 08:07 AM
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Friend, please do not delete your posts and comments. Thank you in advance!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 07:51 PM
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You are being a bit defensive here. Does that really mean you aren't able to elaborate on your opinion?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 07:45 PM
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By putting that reliance on men, women are putting themselves back. how?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 07:21 PM
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Men don't want to do that, just ask any man. Okay. Men want to pander to women, they want a relationship with them, and they want to pair up with them. Those feminists, always fighting a strawman smh Trevor Cornball, /u/colombomumbojumbo, feminists are using your tactics against you, just making you aware!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 01:46 PM
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in fact it's bringing them further back in social liberty how?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 01:35 PM
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PS. Doesn't Methengylf sound like an incel when he says: "I wish for a day where ... women are free to express their sexual desire for men"? https://youtu.be/hWdXEmsdJB0 This video hints at what those people really want from men's spaces. Marxists aren't that different: We are now approaching a social revolution, in which the old economic foundations of monogamy will disappear just as surely as those of its complement, prostitution. Monogamy arose through the concentration of considerable wealth…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 01:22 PM
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That's because oppression is irrational on the part of the oppressor. That's why criminal courts recognize that insane perpetrators belong in a mental institution. We as a society still decide that it's safer to lock them up so they don't do harm. Essentially that makes you an advocate for sex separatism. If men universally "oppress" women against their better judgement, it doesn't do justice to straight out put them in labor camps. Though it becomes justified to plan cities and public amenities…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 01:13 PM
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That's exactly why feminists are all around liars.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 10:14 AM
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Sadly, Tamerloon user I am replying to has been getting mentally ill lately. It's such a sad state of affairs that men have nowhere to go. Pro male collective does not address issues that men face because of severe mismanagement and denial of reality. LWMA does not address men's issues because of severe mismanagement and men not sticking together. /u/ProMaleWatch?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 08:00 PM
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He is an anti-feminist and is worth thousands of failed anti-feminists like you. If you want to attack him, challenge his biased moderation habits. For example, he removed a comment that cited a link debunking the false anti-male alpha and beta concept.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 07:23 PM
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"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun", and as long as men are predisposed - whether through biological ancestry, physical reality or social duress - to commit and endure the majority of that violence, they will maintain rulership. Nice throwing the men under the bus. Men never were in command of women. Not even the highest ranks. All it takes for a woman to assert herself is to murder his sons, and men were aware of that power, that puts women in control of the family unit and socie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:45 PM
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Help is the wrong word for an enforcement system that lets a woman live rent free at home of her male domestic violence victim while he waits in the slammer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:19 PM
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He supports male genital mutilation, according to you, MGM must be awesome.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:09 PM
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The only sense the patriarchy hypothesis makes is the one where men recognized that female power and control of the family unit must be restrained on some level in order for society to move forward. And it is not patriarchy, it is paternalism. Fuck you for throwing fathers under the bus, they clearly don't deserve reproductive rights according to your hypothesis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:06 PM
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Yeah the empathy has been known to pull falsely accused men out of the slammer for crimes against women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:49 PM
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Thank you very much!!!!!! Do you think this way of thinking is useful to the advancement of male issues? Join the cops. Crush and kill male victims of female domestic and sexual violence. Put men in prison for defaulting on child support for the kids they've no right to see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:36 PM
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Do you know why this sub is such a failure? Yes, men refuse to stick together and get each other's backs. You get feminists who disingeniously dismiss any evidence, move the goalposts and declare themselves victors. You get concern trolls that will argue it's not equal to burden women with their kids. You get trad cons who waffle on about rich conspiracy and the need to impose on each man a wife in a lifetime monogamy. You get yesterday menslibbers who are pro-feminism but don't want to suck up …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:12 PM
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Laugh at them while you can. They aren't short of slandering their enemies once they get power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 03:08 PM
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patriarchy [...] includes oppression of women Nonsense. Men never were in command of women. Not even the highest ranks. All it takes for a woman to assert herself is to murder his sons, and men were aware of that power, that puts women in control of the family unit and society that is a superstructure of the family unit, throughout history. disposability, which I believe it is not reducible to women's oppression. Is that a way to make a baseless claim that men get a sweeter deal in your version …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 03:05 PM
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Hypergamy .... no Men should just connect with themselves and express who they are A ridiculous MGTOW sentiment. Also a lot of men are expressing themselves through the gynocentric framework, becoming a major roadblock to men's human rights. "Freedom of expression" mustn't trump practical considerations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/19 09:01 PM
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You are in no position to define my advocacy or belonging for me. The "challenge" that you posed was your inability to parse English, and to that, I apologise; I am not used to speaking to the mentally handicapped. The joke is on you if you consider staying passive is advocacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 02:56 PM
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Nope, you were nothing but defensive. Clearly you don't like to be challenged. My point was, you don't belong on an advocacy sub if you think that the issue of "body positivity" interfering with scientific healthcare consensus on obesity isn't a problem to those outside of "body positivity" cult.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 02:43 PM
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Alright, so you are effectively denying that "body positivity" harms people outside the "body positivity" cult. You aren't an advocate, so what are you doing here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 02:31 PM
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you can't save those who refuse to be saved. That's not the implication of what you've told earlier. Fortunately, its proponents won't live past their 30s. There's no self-correcting cycle. "Body positivity" must actively be held accountable for any harm it does to others. Excuses such as yours mustn't be tolerated, as they're rationalizing passivity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 02:15 PM
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Fortunately, its proponents won't live past their 30s. That is pure delusional bullshit and a belief in a self-correcting cycle. Besides, your attitude is harmful to those who are willing to seek obesity treatment. The focus should be on how dishonest "body positivity" practioners damage other people, not on a fantasy that it will stop once they're dead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/19 01:49 PM
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That would be a reasonable request on a personal or a hobby board. It definitely does not apply to your politics. Calling out bad politics is a duty to the community.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/19 02:34 AM
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An asshole is the one who harms others. Views, even controversial ones, don't. I'm hard pressed to believe assholes are like that due to their beliefs on breastfeeding. Anyway, society won't do jack shit to enforce parental duties on mothers, with a host of rationalizations up its sleeve. "It's unenforceable" is really a cop out. I think it doesn't currently carry a social penalty to call people who bring up that issue assholes, due to them being perceived as putting expectations on women, which…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 03:26 PM
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I can see the argument of it being "racist" to Jews and Muslims. What do you mean? At a bare minimum though it should be outlawed for non religious reasons. Too much of a legal loophole. Sure, anti-MGM campaigns must distance from antisemites and antitheists in general, and focus on rampant child abuse instead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 02:21 PM
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I'm long past being upset with the feminists. I recognize that you are the way that you are. Also, men still aren't and never were expected to give up their career ambitions to take care of their kids either. This is the dismissive part, women are setting the conditions of the family unit. This line is an attempt to steer the conversation away from female privilege. It isn't strange that it bothers some if women deselect men without career ambitions. But it is a dead end to focus on that. The ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/19 03:28 PM
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I don't see at all how saying "people shouldn't police others breastfeeding" That was not what you said and a tangental point to this debate. You seemed to have agreed that we've opposing stances at first, but now doing a reversal. Really, you're liable of all the sins you're accusing me. My stance is this: feminists do not dictate the discussion of men's issues. And you attempted to do just that, I mean, even prior to me, with the trad con you were responding to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/19 12:23 PM
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Thanks for your time I guess?.. I really do have an opposing perspective, the one that is aligned with getting men their rights. I'm glad that you recognize that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/19 12:05 PM
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Yes and when I go in feminist spaces there's always someone there telling me I'm an antifeminist MRA tool of the patriarchy. It's all gotten very old and lost its bite. Feminists are ready to reprimand people for the apostacy. MRA's and trad cons here don't. MRA's lose out in the end. I think it's time for men to break the tide and set our own terms for the debate. You think the term snow flake is a good insult? That is me being descriptive while you use the anti-male slur "cuck." You are just s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/19 11:26 AM
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I am not a feminist because I disagree with you on breastfeeding Yes you are a feminist in part because you use gas lighting shit left and right. please be mature Tells a snow flake who assumes her opinion is somehow valid on just her say so. people who behave that way are not assholes Harassing people with health problems is obviously not okay. I did not dispute that. However, you equate criticism with racism and that is obviously not okay likewise. It's a feminist debating tactic. But regardle…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/19 09:58 AM
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They may have other traits that are redeemable I am not looking to redeem the falsely accused. I am accusing you of having no proof that they are absolute assholes. Having a trait you don't like, doesn't make him an asshole, especially the ultimate one. I also think that people who are racist are assholes. I don't disagree, but I distrust feminists like you with tackling systemic racism (as you don't bring it up in good faith now, you'll likely never going to care about standing up to actual rac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/19 08:32 AM
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Your opinion runs at odds with facts and your accusation is blatantly false and a pure projection.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/19 08:28 AM
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How's that even more "near impossible" than a debtor's prison for insolvent male child support slaves? I think anyone who judges women for not breast-feeding are absolute assholes And who taught you to make sweeping generalizations like that? Also I'd like to see proof (obviously no false reporting) that backs your narrative about supreme obnoxiousness of those making judgement calls. I don't respect such people, because they tend to approach the issue from an anti-male, woman fixated perspectiv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/19 08:48 PM
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Also, men still aren't and never were expected to give up their career ambitions to take care of their kids either. You absolutely had to remind us that men still lack parental rights? I said that in past and I'll say it again. If men, not women, were biologically adapted to breastfeeding, men would be obligated to nurse kids by law. Which we don't see with females at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/19 05:05 PM
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What part of this extremely simple issue don't you understand? This is your problem, not men's. If women suffer because of female supremacy, it's not up to men to pick up their shit. A Nazist whose ideology backfires on him, is still a Nazist all right and is still privileged, not discriminated against. Feminists should be the last people to use the racist smear, because feminists are hard to tell from literal racists themselves. https://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/19 08:48 AM
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Worry not, I should when you come to cockblock another post. You're a typical feminist, using smears and false accusations as a substrate for your narrative, another proof that there are no decent feminists, they are all alike.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/19 08:47 AM
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You can't see my thoughts, you can only put words in my mouth. You have been caught out making barefaced lies and groundless smearing accusations, and your reply has been screenshotted. Thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/19 10:34 AM
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I already did Really? Where is your comment demonstrating that women were forced to marry by law? I see none, perhaps it was removed because it was such a load of nonsense to leave around. You're scraping the barrel of oppression to deflect from real discrimination. Men around that time had to go through shotgun weddings, i.e. were enslaved, was there a female equivalent? Also if a man was married under duress, his wife could divorce him, alienate him from his kids and make him pay alimony, whic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/19 10:34 AM
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Works for me now, as well as it did a month ago when I posted them. The timing of your reply and possible outage suggests that you feminists are DDosing archive.today for some reason... BTW if you think of yourself as useless and refuse to do something about it, you've no one to blame for pettiness but yourself... You're acting more important than you are and I'm under no obligation to entertain this delusion of yours, that your time is more valuable than mine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/19 03:44 PM
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You still don't get it, obviously, but it's already explained in my first comment. It was you getting called out, it is your obligation to defend your positive claims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/19 03:43 PM
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We present evidence to the contrary and Gassy then uses that to say we are "obsessive stalkers." You talk as if he's an authority on the matter. If we are to apply his standards, the Kult was stalking Colttaine to dig up anything that might discredit him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/19 05:48 AM
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Ex-member of a "pro-male" collective here. serpentineeyelash was curious and even has requested me to write about them. I've contemplated a decision to start a new sub and repost higher-quality articles here (I agree that "Is the Pro Male Collective really Pro Male?"-style posts really are a poor catch.) serpentineeyelash was extremely drama-averse, he wasn't willing to risk attracting another outraged "pro-male" brigade, so I tried to involve him in a brainstorm session on how we can best appro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/19 07:39 PM
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I wish I could give you a hand here, but alas we've settled with serpentineeyelash that posts such as yours won't fly in this subreddit. I gather you want to take action, since the opportunity clearly has presented itself, but unfortunately I don't see how your article helps us move forward in that regard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/19 07:38 PM
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Well, can't disagree with anything. Perhaps left-wingers are less openly Islamophobic?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/19 05:58 PM
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Only after becoming tangibly¹² useful and loyal to males, you'll be entitled to reminders of what was laid before you in other threads already. https://archive.fo/kyqlN https://archive.fo/9O5av
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/19 05:52 PM
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So you refused to demonstrate that women were obligated to marry by law. Pathetic, I thought you'll at least try. What are you on about next?! Marriage is discrimination against men only. Feminists like you effectively whine that women did not get a better deal in a structure that already puts them on a pedestal. Once women as a collective started making demands, husbands were deprived of whatever meager legal protections they were afforded under traditionalism. No war, no revolution was necessa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/19 05:51 PM
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I can hardly think of a way for you to admit the lack of scruples and disregard for men more than you just did, after you were given all the means and time to follow the exchange we had. What can one say, I am talking to a woman who uses the "beta" and "cuck" slurs, for the Earth's sake!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/19 05:50 PM
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Therapy is only a way to solve at an individual level an issue that has a social structural cause. It is a useless approach as well. Political activism is the way to go, not this therapy nonsense. It does go in tandem, though. Not if all you do here is seeking therapy and validation of opinion, blindly repeating false accusations against men's rights activists like Warren Farrell, and concern trolling the subject of men's lack of rights, while retaining feminist frame. Your actions betray your w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/19 11:06 AM
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The personal is political, you know the phrase. The men's rights activism is not your personal therapy session. It's not enough to change the law, you totally need to change the culture. Agreed, but the best is the enemy of good enough. Men need to rise and assert themselves, and the surest and easiest way to do it is to change the law. We cannot afford coqblocking and spreading of effort to go after unattainable goals. Most likely it will take generations of men to change the culture, and that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/19 05:52 PM
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Alright, I'll give you that, a woman picking up a homeless man for marriage, is a topic sensational enough to make headlines.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/19 05:40 PM
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And I demand a real, documented example of men living in the streets and having girlfriends. Provide proof or admit that you talk out of your ass.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/19 05:19 PM
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Yeah I've commented in a rush, seemingly perplexed; I could search for myself if I needed it that much. Slate Star Codex has lower standards than either ancient Sufis or preachy Victorians, and so we only require you to pass at least two of those three gates. It seems they mean a comment always must be made in good faith, regardless of whether it's kind or not. tribe-like groups like ISIS that immediately pops to an average Westerner's mind when you say "Islam". People sure like their scapegoats…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/19 10:45 AM
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Exactly, not a real proof.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/19 10:14 AM
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you can be homeless and have a girlfriend Where is your proof of that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/19 02:12 PM
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I'm an ancom (extreme left). That video is mainly answering ancaps (extreme right). Horseshoe theory of politics explains why they are just two faces of the same coin. I would never say things like "let's not build men's shelters because the State is a form of power." This is how I know you didn't listen to the video. The posture that won was to enter the State. Precisely. You would become just another ruling elite. Would you care explaining how your megalomanic tendencies take priority over som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/19 01:58 PM
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There are other problems, but I'm an anarchist, not a socdem. So you're an anarchist first and foremost. This explains why you will be useless as an advocate for men. I don't hold my breath, but listen to this longish video that explains why anarchism is a dead end for men. This is about manurespherian-type anarchists, but applies equally well to left-wingers. https://youtu.be/Bw3OkoVwGMY
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/19 10:33 AM
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Erin Pizzey shows that men are passive and do nothing to help other men, unlike women with other women. That does not prove that pain makes men lose conscience. Actually it is the other way around. Men's lack of conscience is one reason among many, including the lack of will to stand for their welfare as a collective, that explains why they suffer as a group. Once again you mix cause and effect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/19 10:12 AM
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This is what disposability is all about, we don't feel connected to other beings because we are not an integral part of humanity, but fickle leaves that can fall and die. A man can be well-connected and still thrown out of a life-boat. But this is what we need to fight, this is what us male advocates need to fight against. Therapy should be out of scope in advocacy for men. Male advocates should focus on legal injustices men and boys face.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/19 09:39 AM
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This group is not about you, so I don't care whether you care or not. One sentence is what it takes to call out BS; the effort was substantive to the lack of value you brought to this discussion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 09:43 PM
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So you agree that fairness is not the problem then?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 03:18 PM
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Because that is not what studies show. Waffle until you show which. They are scared, yes. No, they are not. They are passive and glee that someone else took all the flak. Most of them run no risk at all, they're huge enablers and coqblocks. self-defense classes for bullied teenagers There're no such classes, we're sadly limited to advocacy and research.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 03:16 PM
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They were too broken and in pain to have any conscience. Why not apply the Occam's razor and save the step: they were like that from the start. Yes, the 1 male friend I thought I had betrayed me to not go against of the pack, who were bullies. That hurt me. He was just like the bullies, but I am not talking of him. I say that people who enable bullying lack conscience. Nothing prompts them to take action, even though they don't want to be on the receiving end of abuse themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 01:48 PM
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By the way, most feminists, specifically american feminists completely believe in justice ethos. Do not listen to what they say, learn of what they do. Feminists wouldn't know what justice is if they saw it. BTW feminists vocally oppose meritocracy, you've painted a very narrow favorable and untrue portrait of those hypocrites. They are always complaining about injustices and thinking in terms of equality and punishment and reward. Nazis were also complaining about injustices and scapegoated Jew…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 01:47 PM
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I was a political activist many years. You were? What are you doing now? Why are you even here? You have no idea in what sense I meant that. I'm showing that you play into feminist hands by saying that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 01:46 PM
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Why not both? Why can we not fix the circumstance AND decry lashing out? He's effectively saying "Society has the moral right to take its frustrations on awkward people that can't fight back, but weirdoes should pull themselves up by the bootstraps because no one technically bars them from doing so." A classic case of "The beatings will continue until morale improves."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 11:06 AM
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Consider the following: bla bla bla 1) 2) 3) 4) Contrived, therefore invalid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 10:45 AM
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Society is not fair and life is not fair. What you did to correct that? The ideology of fairness (which is what feminists call "entitlement") is wrong and is the cause of pain in the world. It's the idea of rewards and punishment. And you're just mindlessly assuming the feminist frame by going against justice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 10:38 AM
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Do you believe most people lack conscience How much conscience your bullies had? I bet they were proud of themselves. Their abuse of you was also enabled by the passive cowardly co-eds and teachers, never mind their good for nothing buddies that stood aside. While bullies are a lost cause in my opinion, enablers are amoral too, because they're smart enough to understand that something wrong is happenning. They just feel relieved someone else is soaking up the damage, and that's it. that people a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/19 10:30 AM
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Women were tender and compassionate towards me. My best friend is still the one who I met when I was 16. She helped me a lot in my life. Good for you, but remember that this is a men's advocates space, and your personal experiences aren't representative. I was arrogant in an academic sense. I was quite a good student, didn't help anyone to cheat, made lots of questions to the teacher, you know the style. Smart kids do not get bullied. Weird awkward maladapted kids are. This is not an endorsement…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/19 09:27 PM
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It is equivalent to a Master level according to Bologna plan. It's just a third-world shithole's degree. It is not distancing, it is part of a maturing process. Of course, migtard. Just like marrying. If you have the economic opportunity, of course. Doesn't matter. If your parents kick you, you're "maturing" the hard way. If my objective was to be a traditional wage earning and "buy" a wife through marrying down, that would be enough. Ahh, sure, you want to find a NAWALT because you want some wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/19 09:26 PM
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my female classmates were tender and compassionate While girls didn't go out of their way to harm me, save two or three particularly nutty ones, I'd hesitate to call them "tender and compassionate" because of it. Most men and particularly boys are ignored by females, and I am fine with that, as long as they don't encroach on men's rights. I operate under a "live and let live" principle. In particular I stand for total dismantling of Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction, and I wouldn't hesitate t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/19 08:46 AM
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An argentinean college degree is a 6 or 7 years college degree that let's you start . The stuff that a high schooler is ought to know now was elder scholar's science back in antiquity. Wise men of the past would most likely be unemployable in the West, in spite of being the top of intellectual elite of their time and place. I know english fluently!!!! And it doesn't hurt to speak Español in the US too, so the point is moot. Besides, you don't strike me as a particularly fluent person, the clarit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/19 08:44 AM
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You aren't rich by any standard. You're at rock bottom. Should your father decide that you've become old enough to pay rent to him, or evict you outright, you'll be in a heap of trouble. Also, an Argentinean college degree is just a college degree, not a US masters degree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/19 05:46 PM
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And for the record, I'm quite rich. I'm probably in the top 1% in my country. Doesn't YouTube play on mobile? It takes too much data, I'm not rich! https://en.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/d6mfvj/the_phantom_maleness/f19pyw1/ Rich enough to be in the top 1%, yet unable to afford a data plan? You know that lies tend to come out to bite you back?!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/19 03:37 PM
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Ok, not. If you don't believe women are harmed by sexual harassment, just ask your female friends about their everyday experience. I don't validate anti-male rhetoric neither from men, nor from women. kind of dating My worst predictions come true. You lack in money and physical prowess department, so you expect to get dates by validating female concerns. You're just as much of a scab as a married man or a thug white knight in the streets. Almost all women marry. Objectively. No. Your perception …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/19 07:26 AM
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No, I want you to let go of a feminist frame and adopt the pro-male one. You stoically fail at that time and time again. We might get rid of expectations to protect and to provide, but we'll still need pro-male men to achieve other things that benefit males. It is the long-term plan I am talking about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 09:26 PM
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Just like I thought, you've missed the mark on all the important points. I wonder if you're trolling me now. Your reading comprehension is pitiful, unless you do that to me on purpose. Your writing is ambiguous to the point of offensiveness as well: Thank yoi for taking so much time for answer. Next time you feel sarcastic, mark your sarcasm with an "/s" at the end of the sentence. Like this: Thank you for taking so much time to answer /s I have a life, which you apparently don't. How do I tell?…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 08:20 PM
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what makes women more privileged in these societies is that they are protected and cared, and provided for. There's a case to be made that women gatekeep social circles of any importance. Women in tech scandals are about females demanding a seat at the table in a community of yesterday social cast outs. Once the rejects gained some status, somewhat bypassing the female vetting process, they could no longer be left alone. Women seem too keen on "civilizing" men, it usually boils down to men losin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 02:04 PM
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You seem to scapegoat men with power too much, this is an indicator of an anti-male person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 07:23 AM
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I do not have your luxury. Feminism isn't luxury for men, it is male slavery codified. Trad cons are going to be useless no matter whether we talk of a feminist, or a traditionalist society. Most men would likely never awake, we'll have to adopt the small groups tactics to accomplish stuff.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 07:21 AM
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Me objecting to the feminist talking points ≠ seeing the society as a zero sum game. Besides, it's women who are mostly liable of deeming all sorts of social and personal relationships as zero sum. All these zero sum deflections are just rationalizations of female privilege. If I insist for women to sign up for Selective Service, that isn't because I want them to get drafted. Ultimately it's because I want to rock the boat until men are relieved of protector provider expectations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 07:15 AM
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No, male advocates as well as feminists are both against tradcons. That's what feminists would like you to believe. In reality, feminists depend on male gender role and they know that at least on subconscious level. Feminism is a natural outcome of traditionalism with even more female privilege and less protections for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 07:03 AM
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Which sounds very nice, but who decides what's the right thing? The law? The government? Religion? Yourself? Philosophy? Philosophy seems one of the most appealing options, if made to work. But I was thinking of what's practical now. Our social understanding of justice may be imperfect, but it's the best bet men have in this day and age.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 06:57 AM
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I did not say that I was in favour of injustice. Accepting and rationalizing injustice does not require one to be in favor of it. Meanwhile it was you attacking the concept of justice altogether, in spite of justice being applied way beyond deciding the amount of criminal punishment. But changing jewery to be against circumsition is not as easy as it may seem. Christians cut as well, for all the wrong reasons like a woman might like it better. Before it was banned, female genital mutilation was …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 06:52 AM
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Top men aren't in control of women. They have power, but that's neither here nor there for this discussion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/19 06:24 AM
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No, it is obsolete everywhere in the world. lolololol Straight from the horse's mouth, tsk tsk tsk.... Look, I get you, we've already established that you believe in injustice for men, no need to put yourself down any further. You are too much of a coward (that is me being flattering, you most likely have an anti-male agenda) to stand for e.g. male victims of rape when those are ordered to pay child support to the rapist, or to stand for fathers who are jailed because they can't pay for the kids…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/19 08:17 PM
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Look, my country is extremely complex. No, you're just trad cons. Trad cons are the main enablers of feminists. gender relationships are like US in the 80s Smearing men as rapists in the US? That is an insult to every man, and should make you ashamed of yourself. That means that rockstars had sex with 13 year olds and that was encouraged, and having sex with drunk passed out girls was seen as totally normal. Instruct those girls to throw fake blood over rockstars yelling "Silence is violence!" K…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/19 08:16 PM
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Almost all wars were started by men. An apex fallacy is an invalid argument. Defenders are still liable of male-only conscription 100%. That's not true, the video you gave me said that traditional societies were overall more violent because economic conditions. That is non sequitur, just like this one: Not at a conscious level. I'm sure you know about the structure/superstructure marxist distinction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/19 07:48 PM
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So far no one has come with a system that fulfills the role of justice and is self-sustainable. I agree that the US needs a prison reform, but it's a disingenious leap of logic to claim that justice is obsolete because of one country that dishes out an egregious amount of criminal punishments. Anyway, the society does not care about the plight of men, so the best bet men have is demanding justice. All this groveling about being better men does not accomplish any positive change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 12:28 PM
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male elites run society fundamentally to sustain the economic system. Most likely it isn't their primary motive. Elites don't particularly strike me as rational when it comes to economics, or to war. Female elites are usually even worse. Male mother need is a great component of the system. Male mother need isn't some component. It's a natural drive that men have to overcome to learn to focus on the plight of men and disregard women. In my system of ethics, everyone is better off, or worse off. E…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 12:08 PM
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I am not surprised you stand for injustice, being a feminist and all that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 11:41 AM
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Pandering to women was never economically justified. Male elites run society to the advantage of women over men, they are enabling female social dominance while punishing men who grow too uppity. Our fight is against male apathy and, for the lack of a better term, male mother need. But I am not excusing women just because men enable their bad conduct too much. Tyrants of the past were usually enabled by the populace, it doesn't mean that tyrants themselves don't bear any responsibility. Beyond t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/19 11:40 AM
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Let me decide for myself if I am in fact confusing (BTW I am speaking of justice, not happiness). I think the video did its job: your reply shows that you are useless as a men's advocate. The video was a test, and you failed at it miserably. Your frame of reference is hopelessly skewed. You fixate on women too much and neglect men. All my attempts to get you on the right track were for naught. Besides, the video does address the female social dominance aspect, only not in a way that is easily di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/19 10:25 PM
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Sure. Watch at your leisure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 10:10 PM
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Doesn't YouTube play on mobile?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 09:58 PM
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As I told you, my country is decades behind first world. You weren't telling me that. I'm trying to redpill many activists The red pill label is a kook label and must be avoided by any serious men's rights advocate. And I'm fighting on that level too. You coqblock too much with your feminist narratives, that is why I am doubting whether your contribution on a systemic collective level is net positive for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 09:56 PM
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https://youtu.be/zP-XbwdyU4E Like all political power are in control of men, and women hgave no freedom and men have plenty but somehow women have social dominance? You are talking in circles. Listen to that video.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 09:37 PM
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You appear to be a feminist version of a MGTOW. (Although I'm giving migtards too much undue credit by calling you a MGTOW.) Men's issues won't be solved on a personal level, only on a systematic collective level.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 09:33 PM
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You really believe that in saudi arabia ...women still have social dominance. Not the strawmen you try to debate instead of my actual position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 09:17 PM
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You can always prove that you're useful to men outside of fighting feminism. https://archive.fo/kyqlN https://archive.fo/9O5av
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 09:14 PM
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distorted and simplified :facepalm: distorted and reduced
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 09:11 PM
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Saudi Arabia has a majority women vote not to drive. benevolent sexism Feminist gaslighting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 08:59 PM
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now social studies have degenerated to who has power and who has not. Exactly. People with power control the discourse. Men's rights groups don't. If you want to discuss some prehistoric societies, you must invent a new term.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 08:55 PM
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I did not read the article the same you did, I believe. I've given you and the article the benefit of the doubt and now I am regretting that. As u/SchalaZeal01 points out, men are sure as sky marked in a negative way, which contributes to the gender sentencing gap.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 08:27 PM
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No. I did not send this text to intend that the problem was that men were not reverent enough to women. I don't care. Quite the opposite, reverence towards women stems from the need to value femaleness as a thing. So nothing to do with female social dominance, what a convenient narrative for a male feminist /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 08:26 PM
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I do believe the answer is for men to have affection for themselves and each other. Treat each other as men as worthy of affection. Which is like class consciousness but in a different sense. Trying to bond with backstabbing male feminists is not my idea of male solidarity and collective consciousness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 08:24 PM
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You are right, but it does correlate. :chorus: "Correlation does not imply causation." [context] First of all, primates -most mammals do NOT- are organized in small fusion-fission bands with alpha males controlling the group (even in the more gender-egalitarian bonobos!!). [context] But as portrained by Dunbar, the evolution of language had the specific evolutionary advantage of create coalitions between females and beta males through gossiping and boasting-shaming against alpha males (who tried…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 08:11 PM
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Then why bring women into the equation? As in "alliances between women and beta men"? What is your agenda? Well, it depends. I could say that in a strict sense that would happen in patrilineal societies. In patrilineal societies, the line goes from fathers to sons, with women being peripherical. In matrilineal systems it is more complex. Your answer has zero relevance to the questions asked. Patriarchy is about chiefdom. lololol, no. At least not in gender issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/19 08:08 PM
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Ofc. TERFs are just another group of woman panderers. That is not important. Important is how the fertility narrative against transwomen falls apart in hands of an eloquent transadvocate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 08:34 PM
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Cause nobody checks. Unconvincing. Outrage would ensue if women were to have a document to prove their fertility, the way Selective Service works. I think it is more prosaic. Women are ready to stand up for their sex's interests as a group, men do not. Regarding the transexual debacle, TERFs switch to "the ability to inseminate/be inseminated" after a barren womb fiasco.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 07:19 PM
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But men are only unmarked in their positivity or recognizing their needs (services for male victims). They sure as heck are marked in their prescribed roles, dark stereotypes or when perceived as more dangerous or violent by default. Thank you thank you thank you! Can't believe I've let him have it!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 05:18 PM
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Men's issues is not jobs and healthcare (that's issues for everyone). Well, Affirmative Action and men's healthcare funding are men's issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 05:17 PM
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The ability to give birth is what gives women inherent worth. It's the narrative, but I am willing to question it. Barren women still have more inherent worth than men. And I don't believe men becoming able to give birth right now will purchase them inherent worth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 05:17 PM
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Women were 34% of the workforce in 1945. [...] You are framing it backwards! So is your claim that credit card organizations have an incentive to reject a solvent financially independent female applicant? If you have a source that provides this information, I'd be more than happy to look. Not a single one of them could have their own bank account until the 60s. Stop talking out of your ass. Credit cards in the 70s. Most likely the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (1974) had reduced discrimination ag…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/19 11:46 AM
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Sexual objectification is one of the major roles of "femininity". Bullshit. Aside from the issue, this sub is a men's rights group. Sure you male feminists aren't satisfied with making the buzz in virtually every other online space, you've to come here to lecture us on not being reverent of women enough?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:59 PM
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The only thing women used to be able to do "historically" was care giving. You have to be delusional to think that. They couldn't even have a credit card until 1974. Women shopping at the expense to their husband's bank account is financial oppression of men. You are peddling the very same injustice that is discussed here by framing it backwards.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:48 PM
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You really do believe sexual objectification does not exist?? You have to explain how is that relevant prior to expressing indignation. I see. Well, I do not agree that we treat old women worse than men. That article needs to be improved in a lot of ways before it's useful for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:33 PM
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The female friends I know still feel very pressured many times by the social roles. I can prove to you the Earth is flat using personal anecdotes. I believe that part of the text was more of a concession that a central point. It sounded to me like a "well, it is true that.... but....". I can find a dozen more if you want. Moreover, the comments section on the blog disagrees with you. That paragraph alone has attracted attention of readers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 08:44 PM
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I really dislike the idea of toxic masculinity being about pressure of performing certain male archetype Most menslibbers probably approach masculinity even less charitably. I believe women, because they are marked, do feel a pressure to conform some ideal of motherhood, sexual object or whatever. Who cares, women've tossed their gender role at least three generations ago. Now it's just a backup plan to those who couldn't compete in the job market. I mean, reinfprcing the role of women as victim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 08:24 PM
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But I'm very critical of some aspects, and I find myself too constrained by Menslib sub. I'll hazard a guess that your attempt to re-define patriarchy as chiefdom wasn't met with acclaim on MensLib, precisely because feminists are very sensitive to any attempts to hijack their movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 07:50 PM
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In principle, that article can serve a purpose if it parts with all the feminist baggage. I've always felt like bio-reductionist arguments aren't enough to describe the male condition, even though biology plays the fundamental role in gynocentrism and male disposability. Feminists are very good at co-opting anthropology, history and various social issues to serve female interests at men's disadvantage. Look at what they've done with a movement against anti-black police brutality. The black men a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 07:38 PM
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When there is no accumulation, you can't really get ahead of others. If you define status as accumulating possessions, that makes sense. However, the human condition was never about just economics. But it is what happens in these societies We can't know that for sure, with only you and your select sources ready to stand up for that claim, which seems to be mostly grounded in a class struggle dichotomy between a perceived outgroup and a group you yourself count as a member of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 10:41 AM
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Sometimes physical strength was an important factor, but there are many, generosity is one of the most important aspects, for example, besides leadership skills, etc). Which further trumps the narratives about "patriarchy", "alphas", etc. The language wasn't used as a weapon to fight them, simply because the polar opposites to the interests of "beta" males and women, as you paint them, didn't exist. And they are not hoarding status in the sense of keeping that status through violence. They try t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 09:26 AM
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That is heavily studied. Like extremely studied. It doesn't deny that people want to believe in the good ol' social order that was thwarted by the big, oppressive, corrupt capitalism, slave state or whatnot, and it kind of reflects in their scholarly bias. I just meant internal termporal hierarchies amongst men. Then why bring women into the equation? As in "alliances between women and beta men"? What is your agenda? I'm not even talking about talking about oppression. You appear very confused. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 08:48 AM
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All of them have earned the respect of some substantial community of people. Most of them have sexual access to women, or at least could probably get sexual access to women if they wanted it. But these things are not tightly-defined behavioral restrictions; these things are basic universal markers of high-quality human life. If “being a man” means “doing anything that will allow you to win plaudits and sex,” then it is really not a very confining box at all. Sounds like a PUA talking. He doesn't…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 08:05 AM
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Can you admit that you've posted this feminist-in-all-but-name article here as a dog whistle?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/19 08:02 AM
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May I ask why is everyone focusing on those two paragraphs? They aren't my main point. Your whole hypothesis about language the great equalizer rests on assumption there're evil Alphas hoarding status and keeping weak betas+women low in the social pecking order: But as portrained by Dunbar, the evolution of language had the specific evolutionary advantage of create coalitions between females and beta males through gossiping and boasting-shaming against alpha males (who tried to gain power and in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 08:54 PM
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The point is not me disliking. The point is most people who use alpha and beta male labels are anti-male. (I will get to expanding on that in due course. Stay tuned.) Alpha and beta seems to be used a lot as a thought-terminating cliché by people rationalizing their antagonism to men. This implies that extremely early human societies (Original Affluent Societies) are all egalitarian. But early human societies are less hierarchical than both. That is just wishful thinking. Societies that are fema…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 08:43 PM
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The first article doesn't even mention "alpha" and "beta" slurs, the next seems to be a usual sci-pop pulp, which merely throws the word "alpha" around and doesn't provide any rationale for its use, but let's examine it anyway: Take two of the alpha males observed in Gombe, Frodo and Freud, for instance. Though they were brothers, each chimp had a very different leadership style. While Freud maintained control through fostering strong alliances and grooming those he wanted to keep under his comm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 04:26 PM
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However that situation does arise amongst primates. But it does NOT arise in humans because of language. Is that your hypothesis, or some of your sources told you that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 02:48 PM
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I am not talking about your citations (which were extremely sparse BTW for claims of such magnitude), I am talking about the general narrative you concocted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 02:45 PM
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Your claims are groundless, therefore let's try the easy path first: how about you admit you made them up, and we'll call it a day?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 02:22 PM
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with alpha males controlling the group coalitions between females and beta males Utter nonsense. Alpha and beta labels are inappropriate even for wolves, let alone humans. I suspect that you're anti-male.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 02:04 PM
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I don't know what you do to stop the baby dick cutting, but maybe you can be proved useful after all. Here's how you can take action against male genital mutilation: https://archive.fo/kyqlN https://archive.fo/9O5av
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/19 10:26 AM
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You must demonstrate that women were forced to marry by law to leap to such conclusions right off the bat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/19 10:25 AM
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I did not claim that it is covert. I said that it is unnoticed. If people decide to turn a blind eye on misandry, their choice can't be blamed on inconspicuousness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/19 10:22 AM
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I may spell it out to you after you answer my previous question: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cyv8qi/how_do_we_get_more_women_into_oil_rigs/ezk8yv8/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/19 01:42 PM
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In the past, homophobia was so entrenched that it took a civil rights movement for homosexuality to be decriminalized. Homophobia was the status quo, so the homophobic hate speech was going unnoticed, like her and yours (misandric) now. Persecution of homosexuality shares many traits with a push to enact sexual harassment laws. Vocal anti-gay opposition would paint them as despicable perverts and make claims like if homosexuality stops being against the law, perverts in public bathrooms will sta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/19 01:41 PM
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I'm not lying and creating "hate speech". Prove it, instead of deflecting then. I don't think sexual harassment laws were ever passed to allow men to still be sexually harassed. This is unrelated as well. You are attempting to derail the discussion. Sexual harassment is a feminist manufactured concept designed to vilify men. It is never going to be justly applied due to power imbalance in favor of women. You are the one insisting that someone who disagrees with you on one topic is a "feminist" w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/19 07:59 PM
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All I said No, you used an unsubstantiated notion of women deprived of jobs to waffle on about dozens of other unrelated topics, most of them false or at best a gross misrepresentation. When I called you out on spitting bullshit, you felt it was above you to provide any evidence to your claims. Instead you decided that trying to trip me on rhetorical devices, blatantly attempting to shift the burden of proof on me, would suffice. Because that didn't work (readers can observe the context of our e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/19 07:13 PM
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[note to answer later]
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 10:06 AM
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Don't personalize this, I don't care about you any way or another. I'll go after feminists will pay back all the alimony and relinquish all the job entitlements they got via the Affirmative Action program. Though it seems men will need their own Affirmative Action to correct what was done to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 10:01 AM
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We'll call it a productive discussion when you and your lawyer would be forced to argue in court why the rhetoric you wrote earlier isn't hate speech that seeks to defame and destroy men. I don't owe deference to members of a higher extra-human caste, who would never afford even a basic civility if the roles were reversed. Men were begging for far too long now and see what it got them?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 09:53 AM
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If you talk past me, why do you deny my moral right to do the same by you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 09:37 AM
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The core tenet of intersectional feminism is "women are always oppressed." Which is enough for me to reject the concept entirely. I'm non-white myself, and suffered greatly for it, but I see intersectional feminists as my enemies. I am not your n*****, I am not your bitch. The rest of your post was just arguing semantics, so I decided to leave it as it is to highlight your lack of moral prowess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 09:33 AM
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LOL, I'm not a feminist ideologue, I support men's rights. You mean, you hijack men's rights to talk about feminist pet issues? We're better off without you then. I just think it's pretty ridiculous to pretend that women being kept out of the workforce was a privilege when in fact it was just a restriction of freedom. Then you are being ridiculous here, pretending women were kept out of the workforce. I made no such claims. Alright so then I was correct and men were the ones who made money. So w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 09:18 AM
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The only thing I need to disclaim your intersectional feminist waffle is the fact that men enabled single motherhood, while depriving fathers of rights to see their kids. Men value women's whims more than they value children and family, it is so clear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 08:00 AM
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If you have a source that provides this information, I'd be more than happy to look. A feminist ideologue manufacturing oppression of thin air should know better than to demand evidence, particularly when it's got nothing to do with subject matter at hand. So is your claim that women were the ones who [...] produced the most economic spending power? I wish that was true. But we've always got the opposite: men working themselves to the early grave with women leeching off of them. For every dollar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 07:51 AM
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I think it's important to tackle those people like we would on a neutral ground. If we take the advocacy for men to the mainstream, we'll have to face outright hostility. It's better to leave those people as a sort of a training dummy. kind, true, necessary -- pick at least two Sorry, I don't know how kind and necessary, but untrue works out. Kind of like a "white lie"? inspired by an old Sufy proverb Sufi as in Muslim? Would you guide me to read up on it some more?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 06:26 AM
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Some men in this thread could like to know that someone shares their views. It's not as much about "organized pushback" for the time being. Discouraged and disillusioned into rudeness and condescension by their experiences of disenfranchisement? They hate corporate culture so bitterly that they reveal they aren't advocates for men in any capacity. I've seen this on social media not so long ago, men agreeing with vile hostile anti-male feminists as long as those attack Amazon and Jeff Bezos.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/19 06:25 AM
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If you want to spread the love, please support other sane people in this thread. I appreciate your insight.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 04:57 PM
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And no less apparent is your lack of intellectual maturity necessary to have a conversation like this one without resorting to childish name calling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 12:51 PM
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Why would these "champions" want to listen to a halfwit like you? You resort to pathetic name calling when you lack argument? You aren't only a feminist tool, you're a champion in self-disgrace.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 12:17 PM
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Tell that to all the women working two minimum wage jobs just to be able to support the kids! Using children as a women's human shield? Why didn't you ask, in a male advocacy group, what happens to fathers who cannot pay for the kids they've no right to see? Also, you seem to have confused women with feminists. When the 2nd wave started putting out its garbage, there were at least as many women attacking it as buying it. Feminism is female nature politicized, it doesn't matter whether women iden…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 12:11 PM
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I'm talking to the champions here. Waffling on about capitalism manipulating women (i.e. women've no agency of their own type of fallacy) is definitely both unfounded and irrelevant to advocacy for men ever more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 11:58 AM
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How did corporations manage to manipulate women into thinking that working is privilege and not working is oppression? You blame corpos (and I think in fact you blame the men behind them). You operate under an unproven conspiracy theory assumption, which you take entirely for granted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 07:07 AM
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Men were the most socially and economically empowered. Bare assertion. Women were not the ones in any position to enforce the social standards or laws that required men to be in the workforce. Men had the most ability to change those norms. Male hyperagency myth and female hypoagency entitlement. birth control meant women got pregnant when they didn't want to and had to have children. Women having less flexibility in life isn't the same as them being forced to have children. By demanding access …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 06:37 AM
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However, men, maybe not all men, but generally men were the ones writing laws, and in positions of power and were the ones earning money. We all know that men don't run society for their own benefit. Men are expected to provide for and protect women at all levels, including the top tiers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 06:31 AM
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Capitalism supplicates to women for the same reason men do. Women are the selectors, women are consumers of goods.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 06:21 AM
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Feminism is female nature playing out in modern industrial technological society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 06:19 AM
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Your hypothesis is faulty. Corporations did nothing Thank you. it was feminism who saw only the benefits of having a salary with none of the compromises or responsibilities inherent in providing for a family and mistakenly decided that not having to commute and work for a lifetime with someone else providing for your needs wasn't a privilege but was actually oppression. A minor nitpick: feminism did not miscalculate. It was a deliberate move to frame a husband's pandering to his wife as oppressi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 06:17 AM
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I think it's a mistake to hold the corporations responsible. They didn't define the culture. Thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 06:04 AM
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Thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/19 06:03 AM
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Troll boardgaming234's response is full of deflections and fake debate devices, but this one is more laughable than the others, not only because of the context, but being totally ahistorical to boot. And no, you're painting an exaggerated picture of the natural condition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/19 10:06 AM
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This is why male disposability exists. bio reductionist nut lololol You should read the selfish gene by Richard Dawkins. The fact politicians used the book to justify exploitation in modern society is grounds enough to dismiss whatever you say. Clearly our biology has permitted us to build an advanced civilization to thwart the brutality of the natural condition, and even introduce some legal protections for husbands in family court (though unfortunately those appear to be completely dismantled …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/19 08:45 PM
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The disposable male role is not underpinned by our biology, it is a social construct blank slate nut lololol designed by men in positions of power to utilize men productively while simultaneously reduce the amount of competition for females. Utter nonsense. You're blaming top tier men for something even they can't control. Don't you know about hypergamy? Men compete for status to become eligible protectors and providers. Women are the selectors. Should all high-status men disappear tomorrow, wom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/19 08:45 PM
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Pigman, I think your critics are disingenious (also why do they have to bring up sex "work" all of a sudden?), but nevertheless I must disagree with you too, for different reasons. I don't think women avoid some jobs because they're dangerous. Women are just as reckless as men when it comes to entertainment, I can't see why they won't take dangerous jobs. The problem is women perceive traditionally male occupations as lacking in prestige and socially isolating. Most women want to be taken care o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/19 08:49 AM
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Could you kindly point me to some posts you wrote about intactivism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 03:35 PM
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What's worse, women in such environments will tend to go for violent men in order to protect themselves and their children from other violent men. "Women & children" stands for women using children as a human shield. Why don't you ask "where's the child's dad?" instead? Probably considered one of those "dangerous" men to be protected from, with no regard for his rights as a father.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 03:25 PM
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I love men. My SO is my favourite person alive. My dad is an incredible father. My brother is an angel to me. Most of my best friends are male. I care about them and am working on increasing my compassion, in a very hippie way, towards all humans. Is the love what drives you to advocate for men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/19 09:33 AM
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Are you an advocate for men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/19 06:09 AM
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However feminism and women projecting their social dominance is still a huge issue in these fields, and other male dominated fields. Whether there are incentives to get women to join or not it's still there and very large amount of men do experience that and gaslighting. There. FTFY
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 09:56 PM
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Comparing race and gender doesn't make any sense, so I'm afraid there's no way to logically respond to your post. You re-defined and reframed logic solely to handicap your opponents. This is how I know you're a bad faith actor, so you can hit the road.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 07:08 AM
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Why are you begging for attention of a troll?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 06:30 AM
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Why are you begging for attention of a troll?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 06:29 AM
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Tamerloon ≠ Pro Male Collective. We should try convincing Tamerloon's brigade to turn on him.
/r/MensRights02/09/19 03:35 PM
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You know, I'm impressed with the enthusiasm and seriousness you felt while putting this together, but I'm comfortable leaving it at as it is and moving on. If you weren't serious and made a big reply just to point score, you were wasting my time all along. Goodbye.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 07:45 PM
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Ooooooooh, so your theory is that this all is actually just one very dedicated, but marginalized, and likely also lonely guy, who just won't stop posting about intactivism? That would make so much sense. Edit: And it makes me a more sad than angry. That poor thing. A very annoying trait of both tradcons and feminists is their love of invalidation tactics. No doubt your relationship with Tamerloon has dwelled on thin ice from the start. Spare me your fake concern for Tamerloon. It won't do you an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 03:58 PM
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who's Tamerloon? Your displeasure dealing with his sockpuppets gas_the_tradcons, Pro_Male_Vendetta and save_the_babies (from knife rape). how did you figure this out? Don't tell me you're too naive or imperceptive to figure this out on your own. Tamerloon drops so many clues you can tell if it's him in a blind test. Actually I offer you a contest of sorts. Point out a first similarity between his sockpuppets and I'll tell you the next. Hell knows, you might even win, as I'm fool enough to skip c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 08:16 PM
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college statics showing that we are falling behind in school That is nonsense. Colttaine did a video debunking. In short, young lads fall behind girls in subjects that traditionally favor women. When those subjects get striked from school's curriculum as lacking academic rigor, ladies no longer outperform the male n-gger class.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 06:22 PM
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You are right wing, you came here to spout Just World fallacies about how the jobs work in society, you got downvoted as a result.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 02:46 PM
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as a middle aged computer programmer So you landed a decent job and feel you've become entitled enough to condesce to those of us who didn't? There aren't enough jobs to employ everyone and still fewer professions people'd go into willingly. society is failing you if it's not offering you opportunities to retrain and better your mind. Useless dribble obfuscated as a genuine concern. As if everyone who's properly trained can find himself a job. Supposing you intend to provide jobs to everyone who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 02:46 PM
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At least blatant attacks and character assasination attempts must be challenged. If someone brings a strong point forth in a debate the proper response isn't "You stalker. I just reported you for harassment. Why psychopaths come here when it's bed time at the ward." Such bullying attempts must receive a tag, and user behind them should be appropriately labeled to reduce the amount of damage he may cause.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 09:22 AM
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But... If you make the rules too elaborate, those less-interested in discussing ideas among us, like the ProMaleYaddaYadda folks, will immediately try to rule-lawyer their way into using those rules into getting people they don't like banned. You shouldn't be afraid of Tamerloon rule-lawyering someone into a ban. First, I'm against long-term bans (I very very much support the idea of flairs and tags though), and second, Tamerloon (the foreman orchestrating the pro (white) male collective) will g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 09:14 AM
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I'm against bans longer than 24 hours. On the other hand, I think bans should be applied timely and liberally to prevent shitstorming. I'm all for the idea of flairs and "distinctions" you proposed. Known sockpuppet accounts must be labeled as such. Bullies should receive a tag. That includes those using faux victim tactics to silence the opposition (a decent example a particularly egregious example). A proper response to a bully using faux victim tactics and lies should be de-escalation, rather…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 09:13 AM
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Not sure why you brought up the ''manhood'' concept. Meanwhile there has to be some pushback against cults trying to brigade this reddit.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 03:44 PM
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You just admitted defeat as you started to shift the goalposts.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 03:41 PM
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I could care less of your lies after mods remove your post calling me the n* word.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 03:35 PM
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Why I ask for you to debunk any of our claims going. "Ideological purification" is not reply that makes sense. We aren't buying, no sane pizza delivery advertises a Word Salad in the menu.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 03:23 PM
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Using incel as a pejorative is an instant ban. Now go away and open a clueless feminist troll show somewhere else.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 03:11 PM
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That means you were vilifying Thrash all the way, and kept the nerve to play the victim about that. Now go on, invent another story.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 01:38 PM
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Maybe because everyone's tired of feminist-esque sockpuppets save_the_babies and Pro_Male_Vendetta and their dishonest faux victim tactics?
/r/MensRights09/08/19 01:19 PM
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You act as a feminist, be prepared to be called one eventually. Has nothing to do with smears (as if you kultists are so averse to do it to your opponents when it suits your agenda: I'm in fact bestowing upon you too much respect you didn't earn).
/r/MensRights08/08/19 08:12 PM
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Well, are you an obsessive feminist then? Because it's mostly feminists who frame their opponents in a debate stalkers when they feel they're losing. You seriously need to reassess your affiliation status in any case.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 07:43 PM
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Do you put justice and reason above your kult membership status? What do you've to lose by sending Tamerloon on his way? Is it justified? Please think about that.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 06:59 PM
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Tamerloon, go away, I wasn't talking to you. At least call on your human buddies like Male Sentient Void or Trevor Cormier if you want to brigade on me, quit using different sock accounts.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 04:58 PM
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Your call is I should take the abuse and don't dare retaliate? Here's what happens if you're too submissive to Tamerloon, if I've to demonstrate you personally: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProMaleCollective/comments/clmq26/rleftwingmaleadvocate_has_already_lost_the_plot/ew01ram/ Next time try to coax some opinion, at least just enough to save your above-it-all acting for Tamerloon and his brigade, or he'll end up dominating you eventually.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 04:40 PM
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Tamerloon, you're beyond dishonest to conflate Sargon of Akkad conversations on Hangouts and the imagined kidnap and death threats on public spaces so it's not even funny. You were an instigator all the way through; even though I don't like Thrash myself and think he deserves some of the blame, Sargon of Akkad was your project from day one, even if thankfully it didn't come to realization.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 04:31 PM
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Thrash did not create one single blog post or video he contributed nothing. This lie is exactly what I'm talking about. After Thrash outlived his usefulness he was betrayed in the most vile manner possible, so you could avoid acknowledging his role in the formation of the kult after he chose to part with it. Thrashes case is an example of the gratitude the lower-tier members get from superior ranking officers in the kult. Anyway, the blog posts and comments still come in the Thrashes name Fist I…
/r/MensRights08/08/19 04:00 PM
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Tamerloon denies white male privilege (apparently he "forgot" about the color sentencing gap). You get left wingers who waffle on about white male privilege, when there is no such thing. I cited and highlighted the relevant part for you. The post I quoted comes from yet another Tamerloon's sockpuppet called "gas_the_tradcons". Tamerloon holds every key position in the kult so his opinion can't be dismissed or disregarded.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 03:56 PM
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Why are you threatening to dox people who provide facts about your kult that are inconvenient to you, Tamerloon? Why did you discard Thrash like a used condom when he stopped being useful, but kept fruits of his labor to yourself? How is that better than men bailing on Men's Rights when they get girlfriends?
/r/MensRights08/08/19 09:16 AM
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They keep denouncing everything commonly associated with manhood as "anti-male." There is basically nothing left to being a man that they approve of! Their ideal of men is basically an empty box! It's telling the issue you found with the pro (white) male kult is them occasionally paying lip service against the toxic and self-destructive behavior men commonly exhibit.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 09:10 AM
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It was a kind of radical MRA group that denounces every other MRA group as insufficient and weak. basically any actions or mode of thinking that doesn't maximally benefit men is seen as treacherous. The pro (white) male kult isn't even concerned with white men's rights, let alone the whole subject. Pay attention to what the movement does, not what they say. I still look for true pro-male men who do maximize benefits to men, not a bunch of impostors who want to pretend they're right and everybody…
/r/MensRights08/08/19 09:08 AM
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when met with reasonable objection they resort to either strawmanning, or appeals to ideological purity. You forgot to add gaslighting.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 08:58 AM
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Don't let it swing back to your face, with you dashing after him to tell him that.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 08:46 AM
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