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Since when assuming peoples should be able to take care of themselves is being some kind of elitist ? This was the norm for most of history. You are talking like if I was saying that I'm awesome but this is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:25 PM
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Amen. God bless America.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 08:05 PM
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Well, we are putting our civilization in danger, this is my main point... Wonder how we will win the next wars with a population seriously thinking they have a "right to holidays"...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 07:24 PM
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Please can you make some effort ? Where does the money come from ? It come from taxes taken from the people. Therefore the people can pay for themselves and don't need the government to provide them anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 07:16 PM
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You mean people were responsible and worked ? Did stealing was a popular hobby back then ? Didn't the living condition of everyone improved thanks to productivity increase ?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:44 PM
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in socialist Europe you can afford to be sick, unlike America or Singapore. Money have to come from somewhere. If the government can afford this without being indebted, then the people can afford it by themselves. ​ "There is no such thing as a free lunch"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:42 PM
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How society worked in the west before the 70 ?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:36 PM
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You are voluntarily making inequality a problem while it isn't. If the condition of everyone improve there is not any issue with income inequality. Also if you look at what happened in China wealth creation is a pretty solid way to bring peoples out of poverty. As the people receive a wage they don't need any welfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:32 PM
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After many bad decisions it seem that many poor countries are chasing improvement trough wealth creation. Their population now understand that only productivity increase can bring real prosperity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:05 PM
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It seem you defended my point in 4 line better than me in something like 50 posts...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:01 PM
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Welfare culture is jeopardizing defense spending. Strong, not welfare addicted countries, are ready to make sacrifice for their defense. In the west we are seriously saying "If we prepare our defense, how can we fund welfare ?". This is totally suicidal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 05:54 PM
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I thought that progress came from productivity increase and that most people, including the poorer, weren't criminal, my bad...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 05:50 PM
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I meet enough peoples in many different companies to know that sometime weird things happen and you end up thinking "this guy have nothing to do there". Meanwhile I fail to see how restoring correct signaling will not lead to some improvements. ​ I don't want to go too far away from the subject, but your sentence about defense prove my main point. Defense spending is increasing over the world, most nationalistic, relatively poor countries doesn't care to make sacrifices to have a strong army. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 05:48 PM
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I'm against the idea that without welfare people will just starve to death or revolt. They will be obligated to become responsible. Heck how society survived for millennia without a welfare state ? People just worked to get their bread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 05:39 PM
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I think the welfare mentality is mainly cultural. If we get rid of the welfare state people will still mainly choose people in the same economical strata. Meanwhile they will be working peoples and the most toxic behaviors in society will stop as they will be more responsible. I'm realizing I didn't explain myself correctly. Meanwhile I'm impressed by the number of people who were so aggressive to defend their entitlement, which mean I'm touching a sensible point. I was even qualified as "pathet…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 05:22 PM
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You are presenting the welfare state as a kind of assurance system for the middle class to have peace. Meanwhile my whole thread is about the fact that these people reproduce fast and that they don't seem to care of the ever increasing burden they impose on society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 05:03 PM
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I'm not American, this sub is not about USA only, I never mentioned the US in my post... By the way I like the USA and I enjoy following your politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:48 PM
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Too much people on welfare, not wanting to work, living an hedonist lifestyle, reproducing like crazy at the expense of the taxpayer. I flew my native country as it's clear that something wrong will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:46 PM
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Nothing wrong in this, I can't blame TBP for arguing that women don't have to sacrifice themselves for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:39 PM
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why strike at welfare first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state#/media/File:Social_expenditure_as_percentage_of_GDP_OECD_2013.svg Because even 20% of GDP is enormous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:34 PM
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I saw it first hand in France.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:27 PM
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Define socialist. Europe is pretty close to socialist and they're just fine. "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:26 PM
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As I said I mainly triggered leftist wanting to defend the welfare state while my original subject was that the welfare state produce non optimal mating behaviours. Nobody yet argued against that. I know why, if a couple is unable to earn what they need to sustain their family this is obviously an anti-selective phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:20 PM
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Yes I agree that this is multi-factorial, but taxes are definitely a part of the equation, and if the welfare state wouldn't be a big part of it we would be able to opt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:10 PM
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So you didn't address my main point. It seem this is the only thing people are not arguing against in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:02 PM
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They don't use socialism anymore and that's why they'll stay poor. Example of a functional socialist society ? And they all use "socialist" experiments. Which are not an asset but a tare. You are demonstrating nothing are going further away from the subject. In your fantasy world, socialism will collapse, and then your fantasy will turn on itself as barbarism returns for lack of any social safety net. Then the people will see the mess that a lack of a welfare system has wrought and bring it back…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:58 PM
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That’s not the same as saying he was for free market captialism. he was anything but. He was for free market capitalism over feudalism. As Karl Marx was dead before seeing that his theory of classless society didn't work, we don't know what he would root for given the impossibility of communism. We only know that he saw free market capitalism as functional and as an improvement over the past. ​ Source? ​ "The Marxist theory of history focused on class struggle and posited that feudalism was dest…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:54 PM
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How the welfare state is not contributing to the demise of society by encouraging low income couples to have children (often with only the mother to raise them in the end) while discouraging middle class couples by taxation ?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:33 PM
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Does I ever said "only money" ? Personally I don't want to be with a girl who always have money issues. These people tend to be unstable and unreliable. Try to date a women junkie and have fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:28 PM
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It seem you don't know that poor countries are nearly all past socialist experiences. Only the west with all the capital accumulated since the industrial revolution and the unwillingness of most of the population to go to far managed to avoid collapse. Meanwhile look at the debt crisis, we are not far from it. The west is less and less competitive and other countries are emerging. We will soon have to face reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:23 PM
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I'm not a TRP guy, I'm not sure that there is a "hypergamy" problem and I don't see an issue with women wanting guy with money. TRP say that being attractive by your money make you a "beta" unless you earned this money by being an "aggressive" career guy as the will to earn money is an alpha trait... Sound strange, I never saw a guy having money without fighting for it. ​ I lift, I'm proud of the results, my girlfriend is happy of it too. Meanwhile I feel way more accomplishment when I earn mone…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:19 PM
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This sound like an argument against democracy. This is a sad conclusion. I'm for constitutional democracy myself meanwhile if some other form of government end up performing better then we must to be objective about our failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:09 PM
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Yes Marx argued that free market capitalism was a logical improvement from feudalism (monopolistic capitalism as he said), the next step of society being communism. Meanwhile nowhere Marx ever suggested something as the welfare state to exist, he was in fact for the extermination of inferior peoples. Socialism is not the great party at the expense of the rich that most peoples believe it to be... That's why I said our current welfare state is hypocritical, whether you look at it from the sociali…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:05 PM
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My reflection is more about where we go as a society, because you know, I have to pay for it... I feel sad that I'm so strongly discouraged to raise a family. Beside the welfare state is more of a hammock than a safety net, too many peoples sleep there for most of their live. ​ Meanwhile, you don't do anything to disprove my point. I'm happy to hear that other people figured this, didn't see any thread about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 02:57 PM
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The idea is to not let those people die If we abolish the welfare state then the taxes from the middle class will be used to pay for services and products that are useful to them. The worst of the welfare recipients might have problems but I think most would finally get their shit together. I also guarantee you that contrary to now the welfare recipients, then low income workers, would immediately vote for pro-business policies. ​ However, I am in favor of non-aggressive eugenics (where society …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 02:46 PM
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Everything that come out of a vote is not necessarily a good idea. If you look at it the welfare state exist because career politicians on the left knew it was pointless to try to switch to real socialism, so they offered "free stuff" instead. Karl Marx has the balls to make risky predictions about the future of society and the transition from free market capitalism to communism. He agreed that the free market was a functional way to organize society. He thought that the discovery of free market…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 02:35 PM
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OK I found the concept of high/low alpha/beta which seem to answer my questions. Sorry for the noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 04:18 PM
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Fast food worker I don't know how our life experiences can differ so much. When you are a young, single men you don't qualify for welfare. If your parents doesn't want to take care of you you have to work wherever you can. My country have 10 percent jobless peoples. I know many guy without any diploma. They have literally no choice, they must accept anything, including poo cleaning. Meanwhile they are good at distracting girls once in night clubs. ​ Industry team leader Did you ever worked in an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 03:41 PM
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It's just that as somebody who strongly think that human society is mainly driven by market mechanisms the idea of "alpha gardener" feel very dubious to me. Meanwhile I don't think that we can explain everything with a market based approach so I'm looking for new knowledge. I don't agree that people are trying to "mud the water". Everything depend of how you define "alpha", "beta" and "omega". You can have a guy exercising power with strength on other guys in an industry where strong virility ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 02:55 PM
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Is really the "alpha, beta, omega" the best we have ? Obviously there is a social hierarchy. But as rus9384 said, the letter seem ill-chosen, at least for humans, as "beta" men are more successful than "alpha".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 02:20 PM
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And nothing can be done to stop it. Well, look at the debt, look at the deficit... You can think you beat gravity as long as there is kerosene to throw in the plane engines. Meanwhile in the end everything will fall back to market price, gently or not. You can't beat the market as you can't beat reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 02:08 PM
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Ok, so I'm introverted then. I didn't confuse anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 01:43 PM
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There isn't anything we can actually DO about it Well abolishing the welfare state and the minimum wage would minimize the problem at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 01:34 PM
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Choose middle size party in someone property, they are the best because it's not like you are in club and you have to interact with a complete stranger. As you are a big group of friend everybody will be open to interact with you. it's more easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 01:21 PM
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OK I felt there is something right in this idea of classification but that there was bullshit too. I think something more elaborate would be better. An economical theory that account for women bias toward futile qualities would perform better at explaining our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 01:18 PM
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All true, but what is your point? Since civilisation was created mating with "alpha" is not selecting the best traits but anti-selecting against the desirable traits. ​ Russia, socialism, organised crime Russia is in fact a perfect example of my point. From the Tsar to today and by the USSR Russia was always a society that was ruled by an intellectual elite. Intellectual elite that glorified virility only to have stupid alpha sacrifice themselves for the greatness of the state. The head of the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 01:12 PM
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It seem that we agree on my main point. In today society women preferences are anti-selecting against the desirable genetic traits. Also, you are forgeting about beta bucks. Men with money have no problem getting women assuming they are willing to pay. Yes I never saw any guy with money have issues getting a girl, I would add that the relation between wealth and girl attractiveness is sigmoidal. Also many successful men are in fact physically attractive, it's just strange that the cold headed na…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:58 PM
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So why this terminology is used to describe even more complex human behaviour ? This seem like total bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:44 PM
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Where does it come from then ?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:03 PM
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If this is true it mean that women are attracted by losers which is not optimal for society contrary to what many in this forum believe. I think a good example would be the fire-fighters, they are "alpha" if we follow your evolutionary perspective meanwhile in a free market economy they are just government workers who won't have any say in the future of our world. From an economic perspective a fire station is just an appliance that ensure the continuity of things for the real leaders, the econo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:01 PM
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Can you elaborate ? Seem pretty synonymous to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 11:55 AM
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