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bigskymind/r/MGTOW201/08/21 07:38 AM
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Also sex toy use. A woman with a collection of sex toys is seen as empowered. A man with a collection is seen very differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 09:08 PM
6

At the Federal or State level? Misdemeanour or felony?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 04:30 AM
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You’re allowed to say illegal, sex work, prostitute, masturbate. Why are you obfuscating these words?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 05:01 PM
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Are you certain of that? Why the hell would you choose that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:32 AM
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Nothing wrong with being authentic, which is what I think that advice is getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:39 AM
2

Wait until you have children of your own; it’s harder to enjoy the decline then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:15 AM
3

Nah, old men are old pervs, but old women are sexy cougars.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:35 AM
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Yeah, no…what a bunch of crap. Sorry, no one buys the “there’s no such thing as a virus” fake news. We’re about two hundred years beyond this nonsense. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218 LOL
/r/askMRP18/11/23 10:51 AM
0

Shame him? He calls a vagina a kitty, just seems weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 12:28 AM
2

Kitty? Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:43 PM
1

What nonsense - shit happens but none of the things you mention is to “depopulate” the planet. They’re not very successful are they? What a strange simplistic and paranoid view of the world you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 08:02 PM
1

Why? The data is clear that COVID increases risk of myocarditis, this isn’t a controversial claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:29 AM
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The fuck is a “depopulation agenda”?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:27 AM
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It’s a recognition of a lack of trust because they don’t know you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 02:51 AM
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More of an age thing than a body type in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:13 PM
1

Or go with a friend? I can't imagine needing to think I need to be married so I can eat out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 02:14 AM
2

Imagine being free of needing external validation and instead validated yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:00 AM
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What would be the ultimate validation? I’m curious because part of my inner journey is becoming aware of unconscious need for validation and uprooting it. My life has only got better when I act from other motivations apart from seeking validation. It’s incredibly liberating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:59 AM
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Self-awareness is key otherwise most people just end up acting out their unexamined attachment wounds from early childhood in their adult relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:56 AM
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Oh sure, a partner meets needs for closeness and connection and intimacy that friends can’t. At some point I will resume dating again for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:13 PM
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For me it was a question of time. Spending quality time with a partner necessarily took away time that I now spend with different friends. I’m not saying I will choose to remain single for ever, I was more just pointing out that it’s a fallacy to assume that singleness = loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:11 PM
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Friends do exist. As someone who’s recently single, I find myself way more in touch with a broader social circle than when I was in a relationship and I also engage in more diverse range of activities than when I was in a relationship. It’s not safe to assume that being single = lonely and that the only antidote is to couple up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:55 AM
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You can also control whether you are working on said insecurities as well. If you are aware of your issues as they arise in a relationship but have the curiosity and willingness to work on them, and not just expect your partner to be always present to you venting or emoting, then I think that can go a long way to actually increasing intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:05 PM
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Yes, ultimately an LTR needs authenticity from both parties to be successful. Otherwise your intimacy is a house of cards. Being authentic necessarily implies being vulnerable. I think an important point here is that you aren't taking your insecurities out on the other person, or dumping on them, or acting without awareness of your issues. It's a very different proposition when you have awareness of your issues, can talk about them in a calm, curious way and are actively working on them as oppos…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:02 PM
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It wasn't censored. The mods chose to shut it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 12:59 PM
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Yes, exactly - we're social creatures and wired to seek security and safety in connection with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:45 AM
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Sure, but for all the noise about it female friendly, the whole "women initiate the chat" thing isn't really that revolutionary from a practical sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 11:26 PM
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I've often thought that TRP is almost exclusively aimed at women with an anxious preoccupied attachment style. Selectively withdrawing attention can be provocative to people with that attachment history.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:45 PM
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Bitter and twisted!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 10:09 AM
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So why bother with an LTR with her?
/r/askMRP21/10/21 07:10 AM
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Is this OP? Or jaxonking0702?
/r/askMRP26/09/21 01:21 AM
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Yep, and at his Alabama rally he asked his supporters to get vaxxed and whined about not getting credit for the vaccine.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/08/21 09:59 AM
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And all the comments in that thread wishing this fate upon him!
/r/MGTOW201/08/21 11:04 AM
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Wrong sub
/r/MGTOW231/07/21 08:57 AM
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Yep, she might get some 70 year olds sniffing around but that's about it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/07/21 10:50 PM
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Sounds a nightmare. Why live like that?
/r/askMRP11/07/21 09:59 AM
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She describes it as "mostly misogynistic" and "woke".
/r/MGTOW204/07/21 11:19 PM
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Why do you peel the skin off?
/r/MGTOW206/06/21 11:23 PM
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Move on.
/r/askMRP01/12/20 12:04 AM
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Lots of fearful and dismissive avoidants in terms of attachment theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 09:24 AM
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Here’s a comment I posted on another thread about going my own way as a 53yo: Life at 53 for me is awesome - I have two wonderful teenage sons that spend half their time at my place, I work, I surf, I workout and am in a men’s group. I enjoy the company from time to time of an ex-girlfriend, a perfect friends with benefits arrangement. I have single friends and partnered friends, many of whom are in and out of relationships. It’s a state of flux really - people in their 50’s break up, get togeth…
/r/MGTOW228/07/20 11:50 AM
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What do you mean? You make it sound like being 50 puts you on another planet. Life at 53 for me is awesome - I have two wonderful teenage sons that spend half their time at my place, I work, I surf, I workout and am in a men’s group. I enjoy the company from time to time of an ex-girlfriend, a perfect friends with benefits arrangement. I have single friends and partnered friends, many of whom are in and out of relationships. It’s a state of flux really - people in their 50’s break up, get togeth…
/r/MGTOW228/07/20 11:37 AM
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53yo and have plenty of single friends, both male and female. It’s simply not a problem. You can still go your own way and enjoy intimacy with women too - nothing says you have to be single.
/r/MGTOW228/07/20 11:30 AM
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Man, imagine thinking that a female celebrity is the benchmark for the kind of woman you'd settle down with.
/r/askTRP27/12/19 12:53 AM
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Poor bastard.
/r/MGTOW225/12/19 06:55 AM
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Read this and weep: https://reddit.com/r/Thailand/comments/ed7df8/a_thailand_trip_that_messed_up_my_life/
/r/MGTOW223/12/19 04:39 AM
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Too late.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/11/19 11:05 PM
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Got it. Sorry about that, I don’t think I could comprehend how that would be someone’s opening pitch.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/19 10:38 PM
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She wrote that? I thought someone else had added that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/19 10:00 PM
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Not seeing the STD mentioned there?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/11/19 09:25 PM
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Yikes. Just how do you go about "training" another human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 12:54 AM
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Dude, you’re being trolled. Cry more, as they would say at FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 09:10 PM
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Exactly, it’s a total troll. The overlap with /r/gendercritical proves this point. That sub isn’t exactly full of women wanting to be treated as “queens” by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 09:09 PM
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I think you've nailed it. It's just all too perfect, especially when you consider the overlap with /r/gendercritical who, on the whole, aren't exactly the type of women looking for a man to treat them like a "queen". The whole thing feels like a stunt.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/10/19 12:18 AM
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Where do you meet these women? I'm 52 and recently single again after just dumping a 45yo who was pushing for me to commit. I'm enjoying just being free and focussing on myself again right now, but really, women in their 40's don't do it for me. But I'm a bit clueless on how and where to meet younger women.
/r/askTRP23/09/19 04:57 AM
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Yes, read some David Deida.
/r/askTRP01/06/19 03:56 AM
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No, not a grammar mistake. A spelling error.
/r/askTRP01/05/19 01:04 PM
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Oneitis. It's oneitis, not oenitis.
/r/askTRP01/05/19 12:53 PM
1

Oneitis....not oenitis.
/r/askTRP01/05/19 12:53 PM
1

You're overthinking things. Just go and enjoy life and live a little.
/r/askMRP26/04/19 12:59 AM
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Read some David Deida for an alternative approach to life that goes beyond being "selfish".
/r/askTRP17/04/19 01:42 AM
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She'll probably just dump you and tell her friends that you're controlling, insecure and maybe even abusive.
/r/askMRP05/04/19 04:43 AM
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Read some David Deida.
/r/askMRP12/01/19 02:22 AM
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LOL.
/r/askTRP10/12/18 01:18 AM
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Really? In Australia it's seen as the McDonalds of coffee shops.
/r/askTRP10/10/18 08:56 AM
2

When it comes to Deida, it's worth making the distinction between his Three stages. Quite a bit of what passes as "red pill" wisdom falls in his Stage One, blue pill relationship advice is his Stage Two and then there's his Stage Three...
/r/askMRP21/09/18 04:34 AM
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Seeming even more insecure right about now.
/r/askMRP04/09/18 04:26 AM
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Seems really insecure to delete her pics.
/r/askMRP04/09/18 12:56 AM
1

The daily discipline of a meditation practice is just as important as lifting in my view.
/r/askMRP14/07/18 04:36 AM
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What happens every 3-6 months that is so traumatising to you? And furthermore, let's pretend that you were anally raped by another male, would this event be perceived as a lesser trauma than your ongoing celibate status?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 09:30 AM
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As the father of 11yo and 13yo boys, my attention and mentoring role is way more important right now than maternal love. Likewise, me creating time and space in my busy life to take (and teach) them surfing, fishing, camping, to coach their soccer teams, to go to their games, is a huge influence on them that goes beyond just being a distant role model.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 09:25 PM
4

Casein is ... as addictive as nicotine. I call bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 11:38 PM
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I am single. Married for 12 years, separated dad now. A couple of women that I see regularly, none of us are looking for a 'relationship' per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 10:11 AM
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WTF? As a parent too, my sense of purpose and aim to do the best I can as a parent isn't to get laid. Likewise when I sit to meditate, or organise my space, or go surfing. None of this is to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:56 AM
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That there are men who love getting up close with a pussy? Of course there are. Some of us enjoy sex for reasons that go beyond 'conquering' a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 09:11 PM
4

Yeah, because no men actually enjoy giving oral.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 10:43 AM
2

How is it being different when most men perform cunnilingus?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 10:37 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/2k9udk/increase_ejaculate/? Oh look, they actually answer the question really well, but probably best for you if you stay in your safe little corner of the internet.
/r/askTRP08/01/16 09:35 PM
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Aye aye skipper.
/r/MarriedRedPill30/12/15 11:18 PM
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Check her phone Like a true alpha male.
/r/MarriedRedPill30/12/15 12:35 PM
2

She's the 5 year old and he's the three year old then.
/r/MarriedRedPill30/12/15 05:25 AM
4

My grip on reality is fine. I'm 48 and not perfect, not even "near-perfect" and have enjoyed plenty of loving relationships with women in my lifetime. Read BenGunnSilver's other comments around the place. Dude gets off on playing the victim. I stand by my original assertion that he needs to get out more. He's really locked into this rigid, dogmatic view of the world and it isn't serving him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 08:47 PM
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Someone needs to get out more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 08:39 AM
3

Red pill, dramatic? Never...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 11:58 AM
1

Yeah, covert communication for the win.
/r/askMRP18/12/15 10:16 PM
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Yeah, she managed to out-red-pill him. AMOG'd, sorry buddy
/r/askTRP14/12/15 10:14 AM
14

She beat him to it - he went scurrying off to reddit, hamsters running at warp speed.
/r/askTRP14/12/15 10:12 AM
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This false, sanctimonious outrage about blue pill behaviour isn't all that convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:59 AM
3

She was willing just wanted to pause the show, but he threw a hissy-fit and went off to do chores.
/r/askTRP29/10/15 11:55 PM
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"If you had my dick in you, instead of accusing me of cheating, there wouldn't be a reason for an STD test." Yeah, that will turn her around no doubt.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/09/15 10:37 PM
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Yeah, just move to Russia so you can live like a perpetual teenager. What a fucking great idea. Or you could just grow up and get on with your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 10:42 AM
3

You need to understand female sexuality and what opens your particular partner up, that's the masculine imperative in satisfying sexual encounters. And if that doesn't work, find a new partner. Enthusiastic women aren't very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:31 PM
2

At the end of the day it has everything to do with Condé Nast — it's their website and the CEO and admins serve to maximise profits for the owners. How hard is that to understand? Condé Nast owe you nothing. You're on a corporate-owned website.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 01:32 AM
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Neither you nor me have any idea on how many imgur employees said anything about harassment. But at the end of the day, that's a commercial decision of Condé Nast to weight up and make the call on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 01:10 AM
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True and this is why the other 'offensive' subs are still up and running — they keep to themselves. If all 'offensive' subs had been removed in one fell swoop then yes, you could argue this was part of some SJW cleanup of reddit. But really it seems the harassment of imgur staff was the main catalyst here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 09:46 PM
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Exactly, at the end of the day we are playing in Condé Nast's playground here. Their community, their rules. Like it or not, that's the reality of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 09:45 PM
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They're not banning the clones for harassment but for ban evasion. There's more than one rule in play.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 09:43 PM
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There's a gulf a mile wide between Deida and trp. The average Trp'er represents 'first stage masculinity' in Deida's vernacular. Then so-called beta males represent 'second stage masculinity'. You'd be hard pressed to find anything in the trp sub that resembles Deida's third-stage masculinity when it comes to relating to females.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 10:11 AM
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Red pill is about creating toxic relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 07:39 AM
5

NARPALT
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 05:17 AM
-1

Meditation is known to increase compassion and empathy — this may not be a path you want to go down.
/r/askTRP01/06/14 10:08 PM
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Yeah, it's just so common these days!
/r/MensRights21/02/14 06:31 AM
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NAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALTNAWALT
/r/askTRP03/02/14 02:28 AM
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Not her fault? Need to train her? What the fuck?
/r/askTRP26/01/14 12:06 PM
9

Yeah, let's stick to black and white thinking instead, so much easier to jerk it that way.
/r/TheRedPill24/06/13 11:00 PM
2

So alpha paying for the company young women.
/r/TheRedPill24/06/13 10:27 PM
2

It sounds like she fucked up more than OP did.
/r/TheRedPill19/06/13 12:50 AM
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Once a day is not "low sex drive"
/r/TheRedPill10/06/13 12:06 PM
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It's just something that gets repeated without any basis for the claim at all.
/r/TheRedPill07/06/13 10:42 PM
1

Really? Stating he got further physically than before then listing all the things he did seems to imply causation to me.
/r/TheRedPill24/05/13 08:35 PM
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Nonsense - we can have all sorts of purpose in our life independent of family.
/r/TheRedPill22/05/13 10:07 AM
0

If you lift, your crazy to deny yourself the anabolic goodness of carbs....
/r/TheRedPill16/05/13 04:00 AM
6

It's not meant to be taken seriously - it very clearly is a satirical circle jerk.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/13 02:29 PM
4

I wonder how much respect she lost for you as a result of invading her facebook?
/r/TheRedPill07/05/13 12:00 AM
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And snooping on her facebook - classic insecurity.
/r/TheRedPill06/05/13 11:58 PM
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Indeed, she used the word 'awesome' to describe herself a few too many times. She sounds shallow and annoying and a princess.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/13 12:37 AM
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If your masculinity is that fragile that you take someone's sexual preferences as an affront, then you got bigger issues to deal with.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/13 01:12 AM
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You're 14 years old?
/r/TheRedPill21/04/13 12:47 AM
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I am the law... Compensating much?
/r/TheRedPill18/04/13 01:12 AM
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I'd be dishonoring her father Bullshit, what a bunch of crap. She's a fucking adult and has nothing to do with her father.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/13 06:02 AM
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It doesn't matter, as long as she does what she is told and raises me up some good strong sons and cooks and cleans.
/r/TheRedPill17/04/13 06:00 AM
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Yeah, how dare she feel creeped upon and intimated by some clueless douchebag invading her space and following her around town.
/r/seduction06/01/13 11:48 AM
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I've seen this play out in several of my middle-aged friends' relationships where the woman rejects outright any notion of playing by traditional female roles, but god forbid when the man starts to step outside his narrowly defined traditional roles of provider etc.
/r/MensRights06/12/12 02:26 AM
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If the only thing needed to ruin someone's life is connecting their name to their actions, then their actions were the problem -- not the connection. Indeed. I'm failing to see why VA is immune from any blame for what seem like natural consequences for his actions. If I trolled like him and facilitated the distribution of questionable, albeit legal, material in contravention of the reddit ToS, then I would be very fearful for the impact it might have on my personal life.
/r/MensRights17/10/12 02:08 AM
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Doxxing is legal too
/r/MensRights12/10/12 12:18 PM
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Except there's no proof of this.
/r/MensRights12/10/12 01:27 AM
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It still feels important to get the facts straight. If it's Gawker or Something Awful behind the doxxing then let's be clear about that rather than just a kneejerk reaction towards SRS.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 12:03 AM
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Makes sense - unwanted attention is creepy. If I'm not attracted to you then your attention is unwanted.
/r/MensRights23/07/12 01:44 AM
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You should be scared to death of missing a day. Or you could choose to not live your life based on fear. I'd prefer to frame it in a positive rather than negative manner.
/r/seduction25/04/12 03:12 AM
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What a sad way of looking at life.
/r/seduction07/04/12 11:26 PM
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Exactly - so you went to a wedding and got drunk with a woman. I'm failing to see the mad skillz in all this.
/r/seduction24/03/12 11:30 PM
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Make sure any other seating is inaccessible. Seriously?
/r/seduction20/02/12 09:37 AM
-6

You're jumping the gun - AMA begins Wednesday.
/r/seduction31/01/12 12:37 AM
-7

Wednesday, not now.
/r/seduction31/01/12 12:36 AM
-4

AMA is on Wednesday - not now.
/r/seduction31/01/12 12:36 AM
0

You totally missed the point of the article which is to highlight how established personality disorders play out in certain women afflicted with them.
/r/seduction29/12/11 01:17 AM
2

Check out the Starting Strength program by Rippetoe. Hard to go wrong following that if you are new to lifting.
/r/seduction20/12/11 10:08 AM
3

I think because any blanket prohibition on fapping is an example of black and white thinking - it doesn't allow for the fact that there is a whole spectrum of possibility of self-pleasuring. There is such a thing as healthy masturbation For some people, a no fap rule is just another way to cloak their sexuality and desire in shame and prohibition.
/r/seduction13/12/11 03:52 AM
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It's called being a fucking man. What is the significance of having a penis in this situation? How about it's just about being a good person regardless of what genitals you carry?
/r/MensRights10/12/11 04:02 AM
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Yes, because the value of a "good" man is always measured in terms of his utility to others, primarily females.
/r/MensRights10/12/11 04:00 AM
1

Maybe you're over-thinking it?
/r/seduction17/11/11 01:50 AM
-1

All the more reason to not bitch about it.
/r/MensRights25/10/11 10:32 PM
1

Except some women need the emotional closeness before they have sex - it's the closeness that leads to sex.
/r/seduction20/10/11 01:52 AM
2

What do you mean? Prostitution is legal in many parts of the world.
/r/MensRights09/10/11 11:41 AM
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As soon as that happens, expect to see calls for "reform".
/r/MensRights05/10/11 09:08 AM
2

Sugar tits...
/r/seduction03/10/11 06:16 PM
4

Thank you for this - the whole 'alpha/beta' division is so misused it's not funny.
/r/MensRights16/09/11 09:58 PM
1

I suppose the risk us doing what I did for years with a woman - thinking that if only I did something different she would open up to me. Then I realized it shouldn't be that hard and it was more her than me.
/r/seduction31/08/11 03:09 AM
1

Accept the fact that this is her personality and you won't necessarily be able to. Even if you did, she will revert back to this way of operating. There are plenty of women who are more open by their nature.
/r/seduction31/08/11 01:47 AM
1

No, because she's going to leave you because you lack 'passion'. Oh, but I love him! I'm just not 'in love' with him...
/r/MensRights24/08/11 12:53 PM
1

It's an interesting question and reminds me of one I posed here on reddit under a now deleted account - that there is no gender equivalent for females of the phrase "to man up". Somehow it's only men who bear a cultural expectation to take responsibility, be strong and own the consequences of their actions.
/r/MensRights11/08/11 09:50 AM
11

It was written by a man.
/r/seduction17/06/11 04:46 AM
1

"Eye of the Tiger" works a treat.
/r/seduction15/06/11 02:45 AM
-3

Try this on for size - let's say I go on a date with a woman. If I had the slightest inkling that she was taping our conversation and her friend was listening in on it, that would be the end of it right there and then. That she felt that insecure with herself that she needed a friend to coach her through our date AND that she was violating my privacy to that extent just screams red flag. What a loser.
/r/seduction14/06/11 03:30 AM
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He's getting flack because it's grossly unethical to record someone without their knowledge.
/r/seduction14/06/11 03:01 AM
7

I should add that I don't think I'd want to fuck anyone who was secretly broadcasting my conversation to a hidden third party. Time to rethink your whole approach.
/r/seduction14/06/11 01:02 AM
11

A friend listens in on your dates? Something's not quite right here.
/r/seduction14/06/11 12:52 AM
-1

Good question. Sounds like the OP needs to get a life.
/r/seduction13/05/11 09:14 PM
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Roissy likes to stray into politics from time to time...
/r/seduction13/05/11 12:27 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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