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Don't get me wrong, masculinity is 100% real. It's just that responding to the post is pointless if everybody is working with different definitions.
/r/seduction19/05/23 05:10 PM
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It kind of depends on your definition of "masculinity"
/r/seduction19/05/23 04:31 PM
4

Why would you even try?
/r/seduction19/05/23 04:30 PM
1

"Masculinity" and how it's understood is amorphous enough where anyone could read this and agree with their own idea of masculinity in mind. When really, it's just talking past each other.
/r/seduction19/05/23 04:29 PM
2

Even if she was perfect in every other regard, I'd still want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 04:02 PM
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I generally try to make it a habit to not lie. I will say things that aren't lies, but deflect some of the weight of the question. For example: How's it going? Oooh, it's going! How about you? How are you? About as good as I can be, what about you? I'll admit when I forget to respond to a text. As for gifts, I will describe an aspect of the gift I genuinely do like. You're cute and I like that you x , we should go out sometime. And this, this isn't a lie. You can like X and think she's cute. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 07:04 PM
1

Have I lied to manipulate someone? At some point, yeah. I'm not proud of that. Do I lie to manipulate on a daily basis? Fuck no, what are you talking about? This just sounds like a massive cope. Everyone lies occasionally, but damn, I don't think the majority of people lie to manipulate on the daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:02 PM
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A trap? This suggests guys are entitled to sex. Women just want the truth so they can make an informed choice when deciding what person to sleep with. If they don't want to sleep with someone who isn't long term relationship material, then that is totally their right. It's not a trap. It's women trying to apply informed consent. The same thing can be applied to men wanting to know women's body counts. Men have a right to know the truth. So do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:14 PM
1

How does that even work lol? Did he keep an outfit out each girl's place?
/r/seduction18/10/22 08:42 AM
6

Is this a joke? The idea that "porn, video games, films" is any substitute to real relations is just absolutely delusional. Great, the average Joe gets to go home, jerk off and play his 10,000th hour of LoL before he goes back to his shitty job that he never gets better at cause he's addicted to porn and some other drug. Truly the pinnacle of human life!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 08:22 PM
3

There's great advice here, with the exception of letting her do all the work. Some girls just aren't like that. And I believe that there is a correlation between quality (the lack thereof) and the willingness to just throw themselves at your feet. But a part of that depends on what you mean by following her lead. Do you aways wait for her to approach? Do you let her ask for a number? Do you let her text first? Make plans? Ask back to your / her apartment? If you wait for her on all this, I don't…
/r/seduction17/10/22 03:36 PM
1

That's kind of fucked up tho. I don't want to be in relationship where my SO has to lie. And I don't want to be manipulated into believing lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 04:58 AM
1

I mean, if somebody wants to ignore past infidelity, that is their prerogative. Nothing has consequences so far as these things are legal and you can find somebody who won't hold them against you. But I wouldn't get into a relationship with someone who was so flippant with their sexuality and disrespectful to past partners. It goes beyond personal preference. Cheaters are just scummy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 04:54 AM
2

Most of what you discussed has nothing to do with the prompt. You talk about how "unfair" it is that woman are attracted to genetic qualities, while men are attracted to things that women can make. But the prompt compares men and women who are already attractive. And I would say attractive men have it easiest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 02:19 AM
1

Do women even get that many messages? I've always sort of wondered this. It gets talked about a lot, but I'd imagine only insta models get those sorts of messages. Some college girl with a private account and sub 1k followers probably isn't getting any messages beyond known acquaintances. And the vast majority of women either fall into this or don't have a social media presence at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:56 PM
1

I mean, I never talked about the voice in my post, you're the one who started talking about it I think ? Someone else brought it up and you responded with "hire coaches" like a it was a reasonable objection and coaches were a reasonable solution. Neither, imo, are reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 02:05 PM
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If that sounds ridiculous to you maybe you need to try harder It absolutely sounds ridiculous. I get chicks just fine without any of that bullshit. But I was born 6'3, smart, and beautiful so I'm not a good representative for the struggling man. you're the one who seem to think some male voices aren't good. I have no idea where all these accusations are coming from. I literally just said I think this stuff is unnecessary. YOU are the one telling men to get coaches lol. My broader point is that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:50 PM
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I feel like you need to take a step back. Some of the stuff you list is just ridiculous. Like platform shoes, a freaking voice coach, pointing out how a billionaire that was barely able to fix his hair. Do you want to live in a society where this is the stuff necessary? At this point, the burden on men is just so much more. On top of this shit, men are also expected to be the breadwinner. When does a girl ever have to higher a coach lol? Although, I think a lot of what you listed is unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:22 PM
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Ah, I understand now. I suppose what you are referencing is natural beauty. But beauty, generally, is something that has to be cultivated. A girl has to master makeup, hair care, skin care, etc. There are other characteristics that a guy might prioritize too like cooking ability or whatever. These may be easier than building a career, building confidence, etc. But this plays into my point that women have a shorter time to meet these expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:59 PM
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How does that follow? Since one of the metrics is accumulated wealth, the rich kid is going to have it easier starting in a more privileged position.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:48 PM
0

You're math is off, buddy. You can't assume that there is no correlation between numbers. For example, men above 6 ft, for whatever reason, tend to make a little more. The average height of a CEO also has an above average height. These characteristics are not randomly distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:48 PM
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Surgeries look weird. I would rather date a girl with weird bone structure than a girl that got plastic surgery. I think this person has a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:45 PM
0

This is probably true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:35 PM
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Men are given a lot more time to get their shit together. A man in their late 20s is still a viable candidate for a woman in her early 20s. And by the time a girl is in her late 20s, she is considered close to running out of time. Meanwhile, a guy in his late 30s is probably when he is running out of time. So that's about 8-9 year difference. Maybe the standards for a guy is higher, but he has more time to achieve them. The average expected "improvement" per year is probably going to be comparab…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:32 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:44 PM
1

Come on, let's have some higher standards for men. It's not like humanity evolved with PornHub. Guys use it WAAAAY too much, and honestly, having the expectation that they not use it, is reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:30 PM
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I dont know what you're talking about. You asked like 5 questions. Which one did you want me to answer and I will make it clearer?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 07:33 PM
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If I were the woman, I'd want a say. If I were the man, I'd want a say. The woman might have it worse, but does that totally discount the wants and needs of the man?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 07:31 PM
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This is just not helpful at all. 'crusty old men' will mean different things to different people. You're just going to make a bunch of normal guys feel insecure. Just let people approach. If they are told to bug off, they should of course, leave them alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:36 PM
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That's pretty fucked. I agree that just cause it's the age of consent, doesn't mean it's OK. Anything younger than 18 is too young.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:27 PM
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This is so silly and ridiculous. I don't think it's OK to hit on someone who doesn't want to be hit on. This doesn't mean that I can't speak to any girl ever because I risk bothering her when she doesn't want to be bothered. That would be ridiculous. Similarly, Idk how you can know a girl is of consenting age before talking to them. It's literally as simple as You: Hey! What's your name, I thought you looked cute Girl: Oh, I dont want to talk right. You: ok, cool. Have a nice day. Simple as that…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:07 PM
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18-22 yos can be abusers to other 18-22 yos. You're assuming that other 18-22 yos will go into a relationship with another 18-22 yo with altruistic intentions. 55% of rapes are perpetrated by 18-29 yos. So the standard isn't old men taking advantage of young women. In a lot of cases, young men can be just as abusive. That's my broader point. If women can't make informed choices because their brains aren't fully developed and this would lead to abuse, then she is at risk of being abused by BOTH 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:56 PM
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If you don't know, you don't know. There are some mature looking teens. If the guy is respectful, that's not going to cause trauma to a 16-17 yo. They're kids, but not babies. It'll just be awkward. However, if someone is approaching 13-15 yos or somehow younger, that's a massive problem. I would honestly think they are purposely going after minors at that point. If someone were to do that, they should stop approaching all together unless they're at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:18 PM
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If they aren't capable of functioning in a relationship when they are 18-22 cause of their underdeveloped brain, they shouldn't be in any relationship. Really, think about what you are saying. If they can't enforce boundaries or make informed decisions, you can't function in any relationship independent of whom you date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:46 PM
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If you are an adult man hitting on a girl, you'd better have already confirmed she is of age and not a child. Eh, it's tough out there sometimes. If a older guy hits on a girl and she happens to be 17, and he immediately backs off, that's probably OK. However, if a pattern emerges, where he continually has to be told that the girl he approached is a kid... well, that's pretty sketchy. He's doing something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:42 PM
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Doesn't that go without saying? First and second rule of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:39 PM
1

Don’t try to make it like my place in it is that of a place of privilege and accountability. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:28 PM
1

Your ancestors were not all slaves. And assuming you're American, you still benefit off of Indian Americans' historic exploitation. You don't get to wash your hands of it cause you're black.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:11 PM
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Its really not because I don't think OP is equivocating the law and morality. In on of his points, he mentioned ADULTS. He's talking about adults. He is presuming that the law is accurate when defining who is and isn't able to consent. And if we accept that assumption, why should we be in the business of restricting the freedom of consenting adults? Now you can disagree with his assumption that the law is just, and that would be valid criticism, but his argument simply isn't "its legal, therefor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 10:15 AM
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The reason it's legal is because it's presumed they can consent. That's why it's the "age of consent." If you think the law is unjust, that seems like a different argument. Minors can't consent. But assuming the law is just and they can consent, why do you care so much what other consenting adults do?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 10:11 AM
1

Definitely a side tangent, but this is ahistoric nonsense. Africa is not "the country of black people." It's made up of hundreds of distinct identities and languages. At many points, these people fought, killed, and conquered one another, exactly like the Europeans. In fact, virtually all slaves brought to the Americas were enslaved by African tribes and sold for profit to the Europeans.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 10:07 AM
1

Women like nice guys, they just don't like "nice guys." Know when to make fun of her, don't hesitate to speak your mind / make demands, and have some self respect. But you do this all tactfully. Be respectful. "Nice guys" don't do any of this. They are boring and say boring, fake platitudes. The douchebag alpha stuff will sometimes work, ngl. But being nice makes you feel way better (cause you are being a good person) and I think it works better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:55 AM
6

It's more competitive than it's ever been
/r/seduction20/09/22 05:22 PM
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Sure, but I think girls generally expect guys to do the asking out. At least for the first date. Plenty of girls have expressed interest in me, but none have every said "hey let's do this thing." They'll call me hot, they'll say they would say yes if I asked them out, they'll get a friend to approach me, or do more indirect things like stare or start getting handsy while you talk. But never has a girl ever said 'let's go on a date" to me. That's just my experience. It just seems like girls want …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:52 PM
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To be honest, some men are just clueless or cowards. With girls, it's a bit different. A guy has to do the asking out. So a girl could throw herself at the guy and if he doesn't ask her out, a date will never happen. I was kind of like that in college. I'm a conventionally attractive guy, but I was just super clueless. Very focused on studies too, so that didn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 02:37 PM
1

They are called "red flags" for a reason. I can name a few if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 02:06 PM
2

Bro, just assume everything a girl does that might mean she's into you means she's into you. Just take your shot. Nobody wins when you think about this stuff too hard. Learn to take rejection.
/r/seduction20/09/22 01:28 PM
2

What if u are the only one doing all of this and u feel like she's not putting any effort This is often the case lol. But it's independent to being friend zoned. If you are doing a bad job, you'll be friendzoned.
/r/seduction20/09/22 01:22 PM
2

Yes, absolutely. That being said, just because it matters, doesn't mean that it's easier. More attractive women will have more men chasing them. Having more men chasing you mesns you have to spend more time sorting through them all. This also means that there is a higher chance of unwittingly picking a dirt bag who's good at hiding his true nature. So, in some ways, a moderately attractive woman might have it easier than a truly beautiful woman. But it depends on if the moderate girl is alright …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 02:27 AM
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Talk about something interesting. And by something interesting, I mean something interesting to her. Safe bet if something about her life. Like what's her major / work. Then, pay attention to what she says. If she says anything weird or anything that stands out: Try to tease her about it OR make a joke if the conversation allows it OR If it's a serious thing, restate it in a different way so that she knows you understand. This can buy you time. Maybe even bring up an analogous event in your life…
/r/seduction19/09/22 08:58 PM
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There are pros and cons. I think a lot of it comes from men who are unattractive and they are jealous of how pretty girls are surrounded by attractive people. In my mind, the most privileged group is attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:40 PM
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It's shocking how this post celebrates the choices of women but paints the choices of men in the worst possible way. Saying it's all a "revenge fantasy" is just so ridiculous. It's like if I were to say that women who choose to have a lot of sex do it because they are sluts with daddy issues (obviously not true). Some men just want low n count girls and that's ok. Some guys just don't like it, for whatever reason. Men "need to stop justifying their life choices." If women want to be choosey abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:37 PM
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Nah dude. I thought I was average or below average for a good while. Worked hard in school, got a prestigious job, and did a little working out cause I thought I needed to compensate. I was totally wrong. Took putting myself out there and meeting chicks to learn that. Girls are constantly telling me how hot I am. And the fact I got the rest of my life in order makes me feel like a gigachad. My guy friends never told me shit lol. I could've been slaying in college but nobody said nothing lol! Pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 08:16 PM
0

Some of these people aren't just 'out of shape,' they basically have chronic back pain (to find an equivalent in our analogy). You might be able to play a little two touch with your friends. But if you go out on the field with that back problem and play real tackle football, you are not going to have a good time with that messed up back. There are some things you need in order to date. Pointing that out isn't mean.
/r/seduction16/09/22 07:36 PM
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I have no idea what you're talking about. All those 'mean' comments are in response to people saying they're hopeless and how horrible the dating market is. "Focus on your career, bro" is good advice when someone is that fucked up in the head. Plenty advice is shared here. People go out of their way to make these massive field reports. People share videos and other resources that have helped them.
/r/seduction16/09/22 07:32 PM
3

The truth is you will only get better with practice. You'll probably look like a fool. Whatever. Nobody will remember but you so let it go.
/r/seduction16/09/22 05:10 PM
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Facts, I rarely have girls tell me we have no connection. It's cause I ask lots of questions and make an effort to understand her. So many people are just desperate to speak and be heard about whatever shit that matters to them. However, there is a fine line between understanding the girl and building a connection and becoming that girls therapist. You obviously want to avoid the latter.
/r/seduction13/09/22 09:18 PM
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I kind of treat it like a personal preference thing. Some guys like short girls. Some guys like blonde girls. Why? It's just what they like.
/r/seduction13/09/22 09:15 PM
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Bro, you aren't entitled to anyone. There are no shortcuts. Get fit, make some money, and learn how to not be some weirdo. Do these things and women will literally throw themselves at you
/r/seduction13/09/22 02:51 AM
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This comment section is making me really appreciate my bros. None of my guy friends would ever pull this kind of shit
/r/seduction09/09/22 01:17 PM
1

No. Although, you are choosing to interpret my words in the most negative way possible. discouraging any attempts to cultivate independence Idk why this is even relevant. Did it ever occur to you some women might prefer an arrangement where the husband is the breadwinner? If we were to reverse the roles, a wife would still rely on the husband to do the housework. There are different types of reliance. Perhaps this is preferential for a relationship between two people. What I believe is that it s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:50 AM
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This is a separate argument. You are talking about managing risk. Get a life insurance policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 08:51 PM
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I think you raise an interesting point. It seems to rest on the presumption that being fully independent is in their best interest. Why? And there could be a few reasons for this type of arrangement. Perhaps it's more efficient for the wife to do certain things and for the husband to do certain things. Perhaps it is pleasurable for the husband to provide and for the wife to be provided for in some situations. Perhaps it builds a bond. The husband might rely on the wife for one thing or another, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:01 PM
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They are simply different situations. A guy might want his wife to rely on him, but on whom can the daughter rely? If the daughter found a good man, maybe he would want her to rely on her husband too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:28 PM
-6

Exactly. Wanting your wife to rely on you is not "treating her like a doormat."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:12 PM
0

Wouldn't those same women also be calling men cruel if they lost their power? It works for both sides. The dating 'elite' probably should act with some degree of magnanimity. But, that's not to say they shouldn't enjoy their status.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 03:56 PM
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Stop being ridiculous. Can they consent? Do they consent? Can they enforce boundaries? If the answer to these three questions is "yes," then there is nothing wrong with the relationship. If any of these are "no," they shouldn't be dating at all, including people within their own age group. If 18-19 yos are so easily manipulated or so naive where they cant enforce real boundaries, then they shouldn't be dating anyone.
/r/seduction07/09/22 01:22 PM
1

Well, I have no problem admitting i wasn't as attractive as I am now. I'm always improving myself to be more attractive. So it would logically follow that a greater and greater pool of women would be willing to date me. I guess if I were mad, it's that women don't value me as much for my personality. And that they should be able to see through all my money, prestige, physical attractiveness, etc. But thats asking too much. Everyone wants a rich, fancy, attractive partner. Nobody looks at persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:32 PM
1

Yes, well, dating has become a market place. There is competition. But bettering yourself will overall make you more attractive. And it can make leagues of differences If I'm choosing between filet and a burger, the filet is probably always going to be 'better.' It's just higher quality and greater in demand. If it's a filet and a big mac, the filet will always be chosen. But we're choosing between filet and a really nice prime rib burger, the filet might still be 'better,' but there's going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 01:51 PM
1

Tbh I've always felt this was just a matter of the genders having different standards of cleanliness
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 12:51 AM
2

Girls like nice people. They just want to date a chad, not some kind of bitter 'nice guy' who worships them. They want someone who'll make them feel things, make fun of them playfully, lead, make them think, maybe even be a little protective / possessive. And obviously they want someone who is smart and successful. A lot of people are recommending surgeries and shit. Really, if you are average on looks, that's probably good enough for most women. Height, muscles, and face are just bonus. Haircut…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:25 PM
0

Honestly, I think the majority of these guys probably have too high standards or they aren't trying hard enough. Most guys can get a nice, lean body with some muscle and act caring, nice, or whatever you think they need to attract a girl. With this, you could attract "low value" girls, but they are still girls nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:55 AM
1

You really don't need to be huge. If you get on a moderate work out routine where you eat well, it'll make you toned. And that's really all you need to attract women. The really big muscles give marginal returns. Some women are even off put by it. And maintaining that form is a pain in the ass.
/r/seduction21/08/22 06:38 PM
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I think 6 is a little misleading. You should absolutely be dropping your achievements. They build attraction and gives her something to brag about with her friends to boost her own prestige. It's all about how you drop them. You want to drop them naturally as a part of unrelated discussion, and later in conversations. You do this so you don't appear to be bragging (obviously), and when it's later in a conversation it won't be interpreted as a qualifier. You are already qualified to her by this p…
/r/seduction18/08/22 08:06 PM
1

It seems problematic that women need to be "broken in" to bring expectations down to Earth. Maybe we should start asking why it's like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 03:43 PM
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I am a conventionally attractive man. I like that women will occasionally approach me, but I still maintain agency over whom I might try to engage with. Most women can't really hurt me unless they go after my car or something. Women generally seem more dignified in rejection than some men, anyway I also feel safe going to bars by myself and never worry about weirdo strangers. I don't need to get a group together to feel secure. Really, when you are an attractive guy, there isn't anything to envy…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 04:02 PM
3

You make good points
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:51 PM
3

On the issue of "self discovery," I nearly agree entirely. I don't think it's nearly as complicated as people make it out to be. One or two prior relationships doesn't break the bank. As I said above, even double digits is usually tolerable to guys as long as they don't have it shoved in their face. It does come down to what is considered permissible body count. Really, if double digits is OK, then most people fall within that boundary already. And I agree with what you said about monkey branchi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:48 AM
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What is considered "waiting too long for sex" and "too high of a body count?" This logic seems to suggest that monkey branching is the main reason why counts rise for people. Really, there are a number of reasons why they would be higher. Compatibility and self discovery about what you really want are two examples of how body count may go up for somebody who doesn't wait. Similarly, I don't understand how you can't put any blame on FWB situations or other non commitment situations. This kicks th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:29 AM
2

And since this keeps happening to OP there's really no excuse. Yeah, I think I agree with this. If it keeps happening, that's pretty weird.
/r/seduction08/08/22 02:49 PM
0

The person I was responding to said he was probably hitting on 14/15 year olds. You should take my comment in context. And there are definitely some parents who treat 18-20+ yos like kids. If this is something op continues to face it's more than likely a him problem. If he can't tell people's ages and immediately gets turned down and told to back off because the person in question is a minor... that's his issue through and through. Never said it wasn't a 'him' problem. He shouldn't be hitting on…
/r/seduction08/08/22 02:35 PM
0

Parents always view their kids as 'their child' or 'their little boy/girl.' Or at least that's one potential explanation. I don't think that expression indicates one way or the other.
/r/seduction08/08/22 02:06 PM
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If you are concerned about bad men, take relationships slower. Invite him out on some group activities. See how he treats a variety of people. Vetting is a responsibility and recognizing that does not absolve men of abhorrent behavior. A lot of women could avoid abusers by being more careful in the vetting process, and to ignore this will lead to more abuse. I promise you that asshole guys are not that good at covering it up for long. The term 'red flag' exists for a reason. The unfortunate real…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 01:55 PM
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It is not as simple as legal categorization. As a society, we have recognized that 18 is when you have accumulated enough experiences and have enough agency to make decisions for yourself. How would you feel if a 50 yo scoffed at having a relationship with a 30 yo. 'They lack so much experience, they're still a kid!' It's silly. 30 yos are adults and if a 30 yo and 50 yo make a connection it's not any of our business. Same with a 20 yo and 30 yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:17 PM
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20 year olds are adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 06:33 PM
0

No, this person will be numb to it by the 50th time. Social anxiety is an irrational response. Nobody actually cares that mucu and rejection isn't that bad.
/r/seduction29/07/22 05:36 PM
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How is it a double edge sword lol? You can't delude yourself into thinking it was about looks? How is that a double edge? Girls thinking you're a player? Better than them looking at you with disgust or just straight up ignoring you. Bro, I was born beautiful too and it is absolutely a huge advantage. Possibly one of the biggest. And I've been trying to live it to the fullest in honor of my less endowed brethren.
/r/seduction25/07/22 07:45 PM
1

I think men do have to make comparable conpromises
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:29 PM
2

I think it does hold. You see an inverse relationship. As men age, they become less single. As women age, they become more single.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 03:19 PM
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Tbh, you'd also get a lot more stalkers, abusers, and creeps intruding into your life. People regularly rant about how easy beautiful women have it, but we all have our difficulties. Simply being left alone in day to day activities is somewhat of a privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:31 PM
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Well, I'd say that most religions have a cohesive narrative or philosophy. So they are not illogical. I think the issues you bring up are identifying a few illogical people and attributing that to religion broadly. I'm not sure which churches you are speaking of, but I think the vast majority of them do not call parents to reject their children or to not use condoms if you plan on having casual sex. atheism is not a system of beliefs, it's defined by a negative. I would say that asserting there …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:44 PM
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No, not quite. I'm saying that it's possible to think for yourself and buy into religious rulings. You seem to think they are mutually exclusive. The existence of God is impossible to prove one way or the other. Anyone who claims God does not exist is making as much of a leap as anyone who claims God does exist. There's no group beliefs involved, so no room for fanaticism, in the sense of "blind faith, or persecuting dissidents", There is. And it's the idea that religious people are wrong. Fanat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:39 PM
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Not really. You can continue to evaluate the structures of a church and leave if it does not cater to your senses. Being religious does not automatically stop critical thinking. I never said atheists were all fanatical or nihilist. Many are very thoughtful people. But I am saying that they make very similar presumptions that religious people make. Almost neccessarily if they claim to have morals. Morals are effectively not objective. And atheists can also be fanatical about the morals they claim…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:58 PM
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Tbh, every college has hot women somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:54 PM
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Not to mention religious women probably wouldnt like MGTOW types. They are normal people to. It's not like they want to do everything in a relationship either lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:52 PM
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Doesn't this presume religious people don't think for themselves? I think it's very possible to give due consideration and choose to be religious because you find it most reasonable. Both groups can be pretty fanatical. An atheist is going to have some kind of underlying principle he assumes to be true. If not, he doesn't believe in morals and is just a nihilist, the opposite of a stoic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:50 PM
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Why would you date someone who would pressure and condemn you? Additionally, if you have to lie to get someone to date you, does that not seem problematic or catfish-y? I have always been honest in my relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:26 PM
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Not talking to some rando on the street when you’re by yourself, I understand. Makes sense. He should know better. Why should he know better? What's wrong with talking to strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:21 AM
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The standard I meant to establish is 80k+ and in shape. Not necessarily muscle definition. So basically not fat and can go on long hikes if needed. It was a rough estimation based on my understanding of income and obesity trends in the USA. I also overestimated a little because we are talking about HCOL areas and I was being generous to the other argument. I looked up some data and people who are 33 that make 80k are in the 79th percentile. Also, 36% of Americans are obese. I messed up because I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 02:21 PM
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Tbh, I don't think anyone should be blowing their trumpet like that. But 1/3 is pretty darn good lol. Like, I'm not saying that it's the most incredible thing or whatever, but any girl who gets that 1/3 should feel she got a really good catch. But obviously there are a lot more factors to consider. And that's why I'm saying it's good, because of those 1/3, you gotta check for compatibility, attraction, similar place in life / goals, etc. Gonna weed out a lot of guys. Basically, if you are scoffi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:23 PM
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I thought this was a weird argument. I initially thought you were saying that men had the same high standards, but you seem to end up justifying the high standards of women. 80k in a city and working out consistently for 6 months (assuming the person started healthy and is in shape) is really good and probably puts a guy in the top 30-40% of men depending on his age. Maybe higher. If these achievements aren't high enough, then the standards are absolutely too high. However, what a lot of incels …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:56 PM
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I wasn't deflecting and all I was responding to was that one point. Nobody takes the phrase 'happy wife, happy life' to mean 'I should always do whatever my wife tells me'
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:58 PM
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I'm describing the older men I've met in bars and barbershops who fought wars in their youth but will say with a straight face that the key to a happy marriage is to shut up and agree with whatever your wife says because hApPy WiFe HaPpY LiFe. Pretty much everyone I've ever met who has said this meant this as a joke or did not mean it to be taken literally. Nobody who has said this to me has let his wife govern everything in his life lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:40 PM
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That's not a logical counter. You need to give me reason to believe women would not have done the same in their position. I just demonstrated how women also encouraged or were prone to war
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:48 PM
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I would agree that men are more aggressive. I'd imagine that doesn't help. But when you look at the causes of wars historically, the causes are complicated. Many are over politics or resources. And when I look at women in history, like Catherine the Great, they don't seem particularly immune to the matters of war. In cases like French Revolution, women played a strong role in cheering on men and cheering on the war effort. We can talk about what monkeys fight over, but when it comes to how human…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:34 PM
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I’d rather be killed than raped and watch my children endure rapes and beatings indefinitely. Every woman would. And men who claim they would rather be raped indefinitely and watch their own children endure horrors at the hands of monsters are monsters themselves. OK, you're just sensationalizing things. Like, these things happened, but to characterize them all as this is just wrong. Men were often tortured and forced to watch love ones die before they were killed. So they experienced all of tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:18 PM
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I think you misunderstood the distinction I was trying to make. Natural attributes, like the ability to give birth, have already been distributed by nature. Distribution of labor is something that we can control. Regardless, I totally agree that life was rough for everyone. Tbh, I don't think arguing about 'who had it worse' is the most productive conversation. Especially when these people are completely detached from the modern age. The people who had it worse were our ancestors and the people …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:06 PM
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Well, work is also a part of that. You should read my response.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:01 PM
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If you think men invented war and exclusively start wars, you are historically illiterate and completely delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:59 PM
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To be clear, I think both genders had it about equally as bad in the past. OP made the point that although men had more power, they had greater obligations to society. And I think that's mostly true. All those things you listed happened in the minority cases and/or a function of nature. When the cause is natural, like disease or childbirth, I could just say men had to deal with disease or something like prostate cancer. Nature was hard on everyone. But when it comes to society, men seemed oblige…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:57 PM
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Dying from child birth seems different from dying in a war or from hard labor. One is imposed by society and the other is imposed by nature. More men died from prostate cancer too. Doesn't really mean anything other than men have prostates. But to be clear, I don't agree with OP. I'm just being a pedantic lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:41 PM
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You totally missed the point. We were talking about HISTORIC power dynamics and imposed societal obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:35 PM
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I'd rather raise kids than die in a war tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:23 PM
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Wouldn't it depend on the state? Repealing roe doesn't ban abortions. Only a handful of states will have restrictions that go into effect when roe is overturn.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 12:47 PM
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I kind of agree with the point, but disagree with this explanation. Girls' view of dating is going to be warped because they fulfill a different role. They may not have even noticed some of the things that subconsciously appealed to them or they may not realized all the steps that went into certain acts. Not to say no girl can give good advice. Actually, I think there is some good advice in the comments, although it's very very general. But anyway, you should be consulting successful guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 01:53 PM
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I get approached all the time now that I'm hot lol. And I get more than smiles. Just a week ago, a group of girls I was hanging out with isolated me from the rest of the group and told me how hot I was and how any of them would say yes to dating me lol. It was the biggest ego boost of my life. That's why people like you piss me off so much lol. I spent more than half of college with my nose down thinking "just wait, things will work out." Nothing happened! And as soon as I try, they started lini…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 11:01 PM
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Not once have I whined. Dude, if I followed your advice, I would still be out of a relationship. When I started trying, I got waaay more attention. I quit gaming, started working out, started eating healthy, styled my hair, put myself into more social interactions among others. This takes hard work. None of this is at the expensive of confidence or non-neediness. In fact, by trying and building up successes, you make yourself more confident. You are just so full of shit. Confidence doesn't matte…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 08:05 PM
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Well, whoever follows your advice will die the most confident and patient virgin imaginable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 03:50 PM
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The people who are asking haven't been laid in a decade lol. Tell them to not be needy. Don't tell them to stop trying. It's such horrible advice. You can work hard at self improvement and being attractive without being needy. "Wait, it'll happen" might be the worst advice I have ever heard for anything ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 02:45 PM
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No, there are people who legitimately think that's advice. They think telling people to not try is good. It's completely brain dead. Pretty sure it's advice given by beautiful people who get approached frequently, but it feels natural because they aren't the ones having to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 12:47 PM
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lmao wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 03:17 PM
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I always want the truth
/r/seduction05/04/22 03:29 AM
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It's not intrinsically predatory. If they are two consenting adults, mind your own shit.
/r/seduction01/04/22 06:30 PM
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Strongly disagree with this. I think, generally, people's standards are too high and it's over superficial stuff. Like women refusing to date someone under 6ft or men wanting women with absolutely perfect teeth. In these cases, it's like the opposite. You are refusing to give a potential soul mate a chance over something that will give you temporary pleasure. I guarantee you that an extra inch or those teeth in your SO will not give you long term happiness. These people typically want these thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 12:39 PM
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This makes good points. I thought OP made very poor arguments and I'm not even red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 03:35 PM
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Ask questions. For real tho, people love talking about their shit and you can get them to go pretty deep by responding with something that shows you resonate like "oh, that would fuck me up too." And then asking a deeper follow up question. And you can pivot to other related topics. When people get comfortable talking about their problems/insecurities/dreams with you, they'll fucking dump everything on you if you ask lol. This won't get you laid tho, you'll start to feel like the chicks therapis…
/r/seduction23/03/22 04:24 AM
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If you're lying about how many people you had sex with to get a guy to marry you, that's pretty fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:58 PM
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No, I'm saying that your opinion is so bad that it must be emotional charged by some kind of event in your past. In retrospect, it feeds into another stereotype about women that was unintended, but it does not prove your point at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 09:46 PM
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Who hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 06:08 PM
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You'll be fine if you're social. I was in a similar situation, but I was a book worm in college. When i got my job and moved into my new apartment, I had 3 neighbors and they were all friends. I just mentioned we should try to get to know each other and they took me out and now we go out weekly or every other week. Now Im meeting friends of friends. They have some frat stuff from time to time since they're seniors, so I'll go out alone sometimes and meet even more people that way. It's really no…
/r/seduction21/03/22 05:46 AM
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Hell no
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 10:30 PM
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Really, I thought divorce was a bad sign. If some dude has 3 divorces, not only is that a lot of baggage, but if history repeats, get ready for divorce #4.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 02:11 PM
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Christ, I didn't realize this was a chemistry lecture
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:23 PM
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Its possible they are suddenly choosing because of the massive stigma and shame around a man who can't provide for his family. It would be humiliating. This explanation would go against your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:14 AM
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Honestly, just accomplishing things and building a record of success has helped me. A lot of people say build a career, get in shape, and find hobbies to be good at dating. Not only does this make you more attractive, but it's just good for self esteem. If the market tells you your worth a 6 figure salary, who cares what some hoe thinks? If you're shredded, people just assume your a chad. You wont need validation if you've demonstrated your own capabilities through some sport / hobby you've mast…
/r/seduction17/03/22 01:44 AM
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I think it's pretty shitty to help somebody cheat. That can fuck some people up. Doesn't seem right. If people don't want a monogamous relationship, they shouldn't commit to one. Again, more of these mental gymnastics. There's a lot of bad things that don't really affect me. Something bad can also be legal. These points are irrelevant.
/r/seduction08/03/22 09:03 PM
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It's a little fucked dude. It's immoral or it's not. Doesn't matter if "It's gonna be someone else." Using those mental gymnastics is a bad look.
/r/seduction08/03/22 08:47 PM
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This is just silly. For one, sex is an act, reproduction is a process. But the biological implication is not what you are going for. In biology, reproduction ends at conception. Secondly, why couldn't I say that you consent to pregnancy because you fulfill your role in pregnancy? And now that you're pregnant, you cant withdraw consent after the fact. Again, your argument is just a pro life one with different wrapping.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 05:50 PM
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"Neither party is consenting to be pregnant by having sex, but they are consenting to pay for their children by reproducing." This doesnt make sense. Isn't sex the act and reproducing the consequence? If they aren't consenting to pregnancy, they aren't consenting to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 05:09 PM
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What aspect of sex entails consent to submit yourself to whatever your partner decides with respect to any pregnancy and subsequent child rearing??? That is a massive leap. And I'd also like to point out you're just reworking pro life arguments. "By having sex, the woman consents to pregnancy, and therefore the state is not forcing her to carry the child." The way you treat consent is the exact same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:42 PM
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Consenting labor is fine. Generally, i believe in a social contract. So, a tax on society generally is legitimate. But, targeting non consenting individuals is not. In this case, the state is targeting non consenting fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:07 PM
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Ah, I misread. So if you think the later scenario is slavery, what is the difference between that and the state saying "We are taking X labor of your choice for a child you do not consent to"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:02 PM
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Wait, what? Slavery isn't illegal? Shouldn't it be illegal lol? Are you OK with slavery lol!?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:50 PM
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OK, so if the government says "For the rest of your life, you will do X labor for the state, but you get to choose the work" That's not a violation of bodily autonomy? That's not slavery?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:47 PM
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Money represents labor. Labor requires the body. Therefore, the government is using Men's bodies and all bodies through taxation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:18 PM
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This is kind of dumb. Basically none of these even apply to analytical type of people. Like "possessing a timidness..." Do you think all analytical people are timid or something? The two seem completely unrelated. I would consider myself more analytical, and really only 1 and 2 apply to me. But I don't even agree with 1. Applying analytics is what this post is doing. It's generally what this sub does. Trying to analyze what works and what doesn't. It's not about finding a "magic bullet" but seek…
/r/seduction25/02/22 02:58 PM
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