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| 1 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".By feminists do you just mean women? Because the women you know who hold feminist opinions do not represent all women, nor are they likely to be working for feminist advocacy organisations. Do you really think that women's rights groups' line on rape and sexual abuse is as crude as 'more men in prison'? That might be the outcome of their stance but that is not the reason they hold it. It is simply the case that all too often rape and sexual abuse are under reported, poorly investigated, and poor… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/13 01:10 AM |
| 1 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".You say you care about what feminists actually do but the burden of evidence is not on me to disprove a feminist conspiracy, but rather on you to establish warrant for your blanket assertion about 'feminists'. Constantly bandying about the term 'feminists' to refer to a diverse body of ideas as well as a range of actors that cut across all significant social divisions is simply unhelpful and misinformed. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".Its not like feminists are some secretive cabal behind the scenes. This is an investigation by the Crown Prosecution Service, and there is a general political and legal consensus that there are problems with the current system. There may be a core of radical feminists who think that all men are guilty of any rape allegation, but really they're a minority, and most people arguing for a change in the procedures are not radical, lesbian, bra-burning, unshaved armpit feminists, but simply legal expe… | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 01:37 AM |
| 1 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".What do you mean by special treatment? If you mean that our legal system should be gentle with victims and treat them with respect and dignity, then certainly. If by special treatment you mean the accused are not given due process or a fair trial, then certainly not. Obviously I don't believe that we shouldn't have due process. That's not what this article, or anyone is arguing about. That's why this thread is disgusting, its not rational at all, its reactionary, Daily Mail bullshit. No one is a… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 02:34 PM |
| 0 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".Take offense at the term circle jerk all you want, you're just proving my point. Your concerns are petty in the extreme. No one wants to lynch those accused of rape, the fact that you could even say that shows how desperately ill-informed you are. No one wants to suspend the civil rights of the accused, merely to have a process that doesn't further traumatise those who are in an already fragile and vulnerable state. Moreover, I'm not gonna fuck off just cos some dickhead on the internet told me … | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".But how does changing the way sex crimes are investigated actually alter the burden of evidence? Firstly, feminists are not a single group, they are diverse and have divergent opinions. Secondly, no feminist is arguing for a legal system based on the 'word' of the victim. That's a simply preposterous idea, blatantly false, and typical of the level of discourse among men's rights advocates. Providing more sensitive service to vulnerable women and men has absolutely nothing to do with the judicial… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 02:06 PM |
| -4 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".I'm not really sure what the suggestion you've made in your post is, I don't think your distinction between 'better' and 'special' is particularly lucid, but if you're saying that we should have specialised sexual crime units as the first point of contact for rape/sexual abuse victims, in which the victim is treated not in a hostile manner, as too often has been the case, but rather with respect, dignity, and understanding, then we are not disagreeing. As I said, we should have mechanisms in pla… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 04:54 PM |
| -3 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".The comparison you just made between home invasion and rape/sexual abuse shows the level of discourse on this thread. The two are not the same, and your equivalence between them shows the depth of misunderstanding on this issue. The fact is that sexual abuse and rape are chronically under-reported because of an insensitivity towards the specific vulnerability of victims, an insensitivity that is reflected in the institutional and legal arrangements for dealing with sex crimes. Changing those arr… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 04:21 PM |
| 10 | Rape investigations should proceed with assumption that men are guilty; believing that the allegation is false and should be proven is a "misplaced belief".So if I can butt in to this anti-feminist circle jerk, do any of you accept that rape is a particularly emotionally traumatic crime and that the victims of this crime deserve special treatment within the legal system because of their vulnerability as well as the general lack of awareness and understanding within society of the issues surrounding sexual abuse/rape/harassment? I agree with the almost unanimous consensus here that men (although actually the article is about rapists and abusers, rat… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 03:18 PM |
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