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I didn’t mention divorce at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:59 PM
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I think strong families with two parents is the backbone of society, and I think that promiscuity contributes to single motherhood rates. Logically, it follows that if more people are having sex out of wedlock with more people, you’re going to have the potential for more out of wedlock children. Children born to single parents do substantially worse than their peers raised in a two parent household. They do worse in school, have worse economic outlooks, higher crime rates, and so on. I don’t thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:49 PM
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Well I’d argue having strong families is the backbone of society. Kids do FAR worse when they have single parents. I think promiscuity contributes heavily to single parenthood by its very nature. It’s not the only thing, but the sexual revolution in the 70s was, in my opinion, a major factor in the rise of single motherhood during the same time. We’re hard wired to enjoy sex, sure, but that doesn’t mean you have to be promiscuous. I’d advocate people get married instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:46 PM
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So would you extend this to women too? For example, if women talk about the “chopped men” epidemic or the “loser men” epidemic if they don’t make as much money or something as they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:43 PM
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I’m saying promiscuity in general, both from men and women. Now I do think there’s an argument that it could be more important for women to be chaste than men, but I’d extend this to other areas too, like courage would be more important for men than for women. Society is worse off if both don’t do it, but it’s a lot worse if one doesn’t. Again, I don’t really subscribe to the idea that promiscuity is okay for men either though, I think it’s terrible for both and shouldn’t be done and there’s not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:42 PM
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What if you think promiscuity is bad for society?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:49 PM
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I would argue materialism definitely does depending on how it’s defined. I think it entails selfishness, which makes someone a bad person, or is at least a negative trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:45 PM
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Would you call it sexist if a man didn’t hate them but still didn’t want to be with a promiscuous woman? Naturally this shouldn’t be a double standard in this scenario, I’m talking about a non promiscuous man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:42 PM
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Wait so is it better to be with a person that has slept with 1000 people instead of someone that’s slept with 2, controlling all other factors?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:32 PM
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I didn’t say they always were. I’m just speaking about likelihoods, now answer my question. Why don’t the higher body count people also lie about happiness levels? We’d expect to see a flat line in happiness if this were the case, not a downward trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 05:13 PM
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You’re right they all just lied. Not like the divorce rates are a reliable indicator or anything. Why are the lower body counts somehow the only ones that you think are lying, but the other ones aren’t lying about their happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 04:49 PM
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This study controls for things like values, religiosity, economic status, etc, I literally addressed this in my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:58 PM
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They report higher happiness levels too. https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:57 PM
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Well it’s not really ridiculous, spouses with higher body counts (yes this applies to men too, not letting them get away with promiscuity either) have a substantially higher risk for divorce than those with lower, and it gets worse the higher your body count gets. This study controls for things like values, religiosity, economic status, etc, and finds that the risk is still substantially higher. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10989935/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:27 PM
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OMG it’s been like 5 hours and you haven’t responded wtf!?!?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 01:13 AM
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You’re never going to be able to get a complete reason why in a study like this, but the reality is simple, a strong correlation exists, and having multiple partners shows a very strong one. They controlled for other predicted variables too. And staying married does not mean that the marriage is happy Well for one that’s why I linked the other one, but do you think divorce is any metric for happiness? Lmfao. Who do you think is more likely to divorce, unhappy couples or happy ones? Again, other …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 09:33 PM
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Don’t worry I already know every criticism you’re going to try to bring up. I’ve already seen your responses too before you even bring them up so don’t get all excited. Here’s the one that shows the happiness rates. https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness One of your responses is gonna be “BUT OMG ITS BIASED!!!!” Here’s another study that controls for their characteristics and values (religion, economics, gender, etc) that shows they still have substantially lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:47 PM
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Here you go, stop nagging me now. https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness Now you’re probably gonna say “BUT OMG THATS BIASED!!!!” without actually substantiating why it’s relevant, so here’s another study showing they also have much lower divorce rates that controls for characteristics and values and so on. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10989935/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:44 PM
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Holy fuck hang on. God forbid I go to bed, not everybody is at your beck and call girl. Christ I’m not even dating you and you’re already getting mad at me for not responding back on your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:59 PM
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…Who end up in the happiest marriages despite much less of them having “hoe phases”. The happiest marriages are comprised of two virgins. I’d have to find the study if you wanted it. Why would this be the case if not having a hoe phase means you’re missing out?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 01:01 AM
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There's nothing here to suggest that is the case here Well that’s why one of the commenters asked why she found the men unattractive, with no response. Women are not men, and men don't get to determine for women how picky we "ought to" be - much less based on their own solipsism Well, we do actually. If you want to marry a guy he’s gonna have to pick you too. Yeah you can get an attractive guy to sleep with you easily but that doesn’t mean he’s gonna commit to you. Many women end up jaded becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:16 PM
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It’s fine to look bland or average as long as you’re not expecting to get somebody that looks amazing, and disappointed when you don’t. The reason it matters is because she may have misaligned standards. If she doesn’t find any of the men attractive, it could be very well true that her standards are far too high given her appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:59 PM
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Good god, I don’t know why you’re trying to avoid the actual substance of the argument. Let’s just pretend the person putting this prescription forward does not support the president, but they come to all of the same conclusions. Do we agree on what I said we can define virtue as?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:04 PM
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Wait so if a murderer says murder is bad is murder good?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:40 PM
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I have never seen someone say only fans is a hard job until now and this has to be the funniest shit I’ve ever read. Just because they don’t make a lot of money doesn’t mean it’s hard to take some pictures of yourself. People do backbreaking work building houses and shit, I think taking pictures for an hour a day and sending a few messages is fine even if you have to deal with some loser messaging you to smell your toes or something. Regardless I don’t think it’s really important and I just thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:15 PM
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Should society promote good ideals in people and shame bad ones? Also lol at onlyfans being hard. They must truly have it bad having to take pictures of their butthole online.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:38 AM
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And we have feminism and the sexual revolution to thank for hookup culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 04:34 PM
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This is the main correlate. Economy matters for sure, but from what I know most data points to women being in college and the workforce as the primary reason, it’s also partially why the average age of marriages and first births have gone way up (I think from early 20s decades ago to around late twenties-early thirties now). Most women don’t want to have a child when they’re in college or in the early phases of their career, and by the time they’re established, get married, and then get ready to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:03 PM
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And using my same source, can you add up the hours the male sole and primary breadwinners are doing? Add paid work, childcare, and housework. Add up their wives as well in those relationships, and tell me how many hours each works. Relinking the source here for clarity. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 01:24 AM
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If you do not do this I’m done talking to you. Tell me the percentage of male primary/sole breadwinners. Here’s my source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:31 PM
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I've given you 2 separate sources stating that in egalitarian and female sole and primary breadwinner relationships, women still do twice the childcare and chores than their husbands. These are only 45% of relationships, not the majority… I just read over the source you gave. You are the most outstanding person I have ever seen on this subreddit. It literally says the exact opposite of what you’re saying. Everyone please read this source, it literally says that in aggregate, husbands actually do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 09:45 PM
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Shes done this multiple times, not sure what to do when she just makes things up that I never said and ignores half the points I make. 84% of women work, 55% have a male breadwinners (sole = 23% primary =32%), and the other 29% is egalitarian. Her problem is she’s presuming all those 84% work the same amount of hours men do just because she’s classified them as “full time”. She also refuses to add up all of the hours being worked from Pew. She just says women do more housework and childcare. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 04:57 PM
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So were the women working at their home or not when they did these things? When they were making baskets, farming, doing textiles, making food, and so on were they at their houses?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 04:32 PM
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I had a longer post typed out, bit I’m just gonna ask you these questions. Did you add up the percentage of male breadwinners? How much more hours do they work than their wives if you add up the paid work, childcare, and housework? I’ve been through this time and time again and I’m pretty sure it was with you. You have absolutely refused to add up the amount of male breadwinners, and add the actual total work they’re doing in contrast with their wives. Also who quoted me im flattered Edit: also …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 04:16 PM
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Raising children was far more important. It’s not that women didn’t do work around the house, but there’s a reason it was, well, around the house. They could actually keep an eye on their children. Yes, other women helped. They were usually friends and family members. We had actual communities instead of outsourcing it to a daycare facility. Most women were NOT leaving their house to go to work, I don’t know where you got that from. There’s a reason that they did most of their work in the home, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 12:48 AM
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What about it? Women weren’t required to be stay at home wives either.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:07 PM
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Keep in mind that before modern industrialisation, you couldn't afford to have 60-70% of the population (women and children) not providing services to the community. Things we take for granted today took more hands and time to accomplish. Women didn't just stay home taking care of kids, because she would be working on the jobsite with her kids. And if a woman's job was primarily childcare, it was more often her taking care of other women's kids (like the kids too young to join their mothers on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:23 PM
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I didn’t say anyone was forcing anyone. I just said it isn’t a realistic option. It is for women because we’ve put out a bunch of messaging to men for the past 50-60 years or so that we shouldn’t care about women’s traditional roles, and so now men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:18 PM
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Let’s not pretend like this is an actual option for most men. Most men will refuse to date any guy that makes less money than them. Only about 16% of relationships have a female breadwinner. 55% have a male breadwinner, and 30% are egalitarian. We can choose to provide all or most of the money, egalitarian meaning we make the same (usually women prefer men make more though), but we will almost never have the opportunity to make less or stay home. Feminism has caused men to accept women’s choice …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:03 PM
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Women have always been able to work, but that doesn’t mean they did (if we’re defining work as paid work that is, not work around the house). My understanding is that when we started tracking it around the 1800s to 1900s it was only about 1/5th of women, and those were mostly widows or single, usually young women who hadn’t gotten married yet, or older women who’s children had grown older. Second wave feminists like Simone de Beauvoir absolutely propagated the idea that women should work. It’s w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:58 PM
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What a dumbass post. You completely ignored the other category of “primary breadwinner”, and just included sole breadwinners. Male primary breadwinners make up 31% of relationships, and sole male breadwinners 23%. These categories together make up about 55% of relationships. In primary male breadwinner households, the man does about 3 more hours of work INCLUDING CHORES AND CHILDCARE. It’s about 15 more hours in male sole breadwinners households. Even in “egalitarian” relationships, the men stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:53 PM
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Again, your position can always be filled by someone else, and they’d arguably be more compatible. Same thing vis versa. I don’t know why it’s such a bad thing to not be special. There is always someone that’s funnier and smarter and has quirks that he finds even more endearing. We live on a planet with 8 billion people after all. As I said, the relationship itself and what you both build together is the part that isn’t replaceable. THAT is the part that is unique and special. The problem with y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:56 PM
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It doesn’t need to be every single time but good god I’d at least appreciate it if they did it once.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:48 PM
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And this is why people say many women here are out of touch when it comes to dating compared to men, lol. I don’t even think most women do this actually. I went on maybe 2-3 and then the last girl and I were in a relationship for a few years. 100 is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:47 PM
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Because in the effort to get rid of what they call “toxic masculinity” they throw the baby out with the bath water and decide the problem is masculinity as a whole. If literally the only things you focus on about a subject are the negatives you’re soon going to see the whole thing as negative and get rid of it entirely when there’s plenty of masculine things that are positive. Now I disagree with the idea of “toxic masculinity” entirely but I’m just doing an internal critique.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:35 PM
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Most people are replaceable, there’s no way around that. Arguably, there’s an even better match for almost every person that’s in a relationship. What you are isn’t what’s special. What’s special and irreplaceable is what you build together with the person you’re with. I’m not sure why you yourself need to be some special diamond, chances are you’re not and neither am I and chances are neither are the people interested with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:30 PM
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For real. She says 100 dates like that shit is normal and not insane, lmfao. Most people don’t get their pick of 100 different people!!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:24 PM
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Do you think nursing, teaching, and childcare aren't essential building blocks to society? Women also make up 50% of admissions to med school and law school. I didnt say they weren’t important, I just said they’re the same jobs. If the idea was that they were barred from building society due to oppression keeping them out of jobs, we’d expect now that that oppression is over that they’d move towards those jobs that “build society”, but they don’t. Woof, buddy. Ask yourself why Jane Austen had to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:09 PM
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Then why are the top 10 most popular jobs for women damn near the exact same jobs they did ~100 years ago? They’re doing mostly clerical work, nursing, teaching, childcare, etc. the only real difference is farm work is now replaced with HR. Also women have always been able to be educated, including in the Middle Ages. Most people weren’t educated (both men and women), but yes, upper class women were educated. Especially so in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:14 PM
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Yes. If a teen for instance has a job, they still pay federal income taxes. They also pay sales taxes whenever they buy something. We tax them and yet we don’t allow them to vote. Should they be allowed to vote since they get taxed?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:45 PM
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So the sexual revolution never happened, and VERY prominent feminists like Simone de Beauvoir never said women shouldn’t be stay at home moms, and feminists in Eastern Europe never advocated that children belong to the state and not the family unit? Margaret Sanger never went halfway around the world abandoning her children? Feminists never sought for heavy developments in birth control, or eliminating no fault divorce? Go and read more about this stuff. It’s all over the place, and it’s even mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:41 PM
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WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME It’s not about whether or not they “submit to them” in the moment. That’s stupid, no ones asking them to blindly submit to any man. It’s whether or not they WOULD do it in a marriage. I’m completely fine with them having strict standards if they’re actually holding to their own duties too. I do not care what individual churches teach in this regard, I care what the actual faith they propose to believe teaches. I don’t see why Judaism is relevant either. Literally my ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:32 PM
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Not ALL the time but it absolutely helps. Sometimes women need the same too. Not sure why this is such an insane take to you. At the very least I can say I’d have less friends and less strong friendships if I never had male only spaces like I did with football when I was younger, or even when my friends hop in a game or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:23 PM
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Lmao don’t complain and cry about conservative men on behalf of conservative women if you didn’t want anyone to scrutinize the women. Most churches not being like that is my entire point. They’ve been overly feminized because they don’t want to offend women. The Bible quite literally tells women to submit to their husbands, for example, and not the inverse. Long story short, the reason is the husband represents Christ as the bridegroom, and the wife the church as the bride, and the church submit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:23 AM
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That’s how we tend to get to know each other. Either we’re doing something together like a sport, or we’re talking shit to each other, usually about a sport. That’s how a coworker and I got to know each other, for example. How many women do you know that are fine with their friends calling them fat or ugly or something? Stop pretending it’s the same lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:59 AM
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Feminism advocated for the destruction of the nuclear family. Not specifically financial leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:57 AM
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I’m confused. Are you saying that in order for men to make make friends, they MUST have access to spaces that are completely void of any women at all? The mere presence of a woman prevents you from making friends with a man? Can you explain this phenomenon to me? Read your own fucking post. You’re literally asking if men need to have spaces without women, not whether or not we have them right now. You literally asked that in your first sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:56 AM
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Of course. Women have made relationships entirely transactional and so that’s what we have. People are worse off for it, but that’s how it goes. Healthy families and marriages are the backbone of society. We’ve killed off the idea that we should do what’s best for society and instead do what’s best for ourselves. Feminism did this by destroying the nuclear family.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:53 PM
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What are you talking about? I’m just explaining how the dynamics are different when a woman is involved, I’m not even making a comment about whether or not they’re pushing into men’s spaces. You’re literally the one wondering why men need male only spaces, I just explained it. Stop pivoting your stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:48 PM
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It’s biblical which is what it’s usually based on. The idea is that the husband represents Christ and the wife the church, who submits to Christ’s authority. I don’t really see a reason for marriage at all for atheists beyond tax benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:35 PM
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I mean we as men definitely do have different dynamics and a woman being involved changes that. Usually we couch our language a lot more. Me and my friend relentlessly bully each other sometimes. He did it when I was unemployed, I call him short, he called me fat when I was overweight, etc. they’re all just jokes and banter to us and we laugh and it’s how we bond. We don’t do that with women typically. Most women don’t take too kindly to being called fat lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:08 AM
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So should women’s gyms and such be done away with too, or any other women’s only space?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:04 AM
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Lmao children do get taxed. Also what if someone doesn’t work, lives with their parents, and doesn’t drive? Should they be able to vote?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:02 AM
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And are these women traditionally feminine, okay with staying at home and caring for multiple children, and submitting to their husbands authority? The last of those is often the kicker. Most of them have an attitude of “well women should be able to choose what they want” whereas traditional conservative values doesn’t hold to that. Traditional values hold both men and women to specific duties and responsibilities regardless of what they want. For example, it’s my duty to protect, provide, and g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:12 PM
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What does reciprocal and non reciprocal mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:18 PM
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This isn’t true. It’s about 50/50. In fact, in non reciprocal cases with only one abuser, women were the abuser 70% of the time. This means the old idea of a battered wife huddled in a corner while her husband beats her is actually far more likely to be the opposite. Id guess the reason is that men aren’t supposed to hit women socially, but not sure. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/ Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:04 PM
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Then why in the hell should we be chivalrous?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:56 PM
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They have skin in the game. Why don’t we let children and felons vote?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:07 AM
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You do understand that one of the reasons for chivalry was that wives were to submit to their husbands authority and so that’s why men had more responsibility, right? Chivalry was created with that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:22 PM
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“ The NISVS’s 12-month prevalence estimates of sexual victimization show that male victimization is underrepresented when victim penetration is the only form of nonconsensual sex included in the definition of rape. The number of women who have been raped (1 270 000) is nearly equivalent to the number of men who were “made to penetrate” (1 267 000).5 ”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 10:14 PM
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No it isn’t. Women still have duties and responsibilities they were held to especially in the Middle Ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 10:13 PM
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I actually am fine with voting being solely for married people/people with children/property owners, one of those. I’m describing women being made felons for not having children, that isn’t something I’d support.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:43 AM
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For instance, I literally gave you a source with a link that said rape was 50/50, gave you the reasons why it doesn’t appear that way, and literally copy/pasted the section in the study that showed it so you didn’t have to scroll. In response, you just said “it’s made up shit”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 07:14 PM
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Well I don’t know how to deal with someone who just ignores everything I say lol. At least other people can read this and see how insane this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:09 PM
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Not sure where you got that about women in church. If you’re in a bad denomination then maybe. The actual problem is the church has been hijacked by feminists too. I’ve always heard pastors chastise men, but never women because “that isn’t nice”. In part, I think everyone is going to have to deal with a tiny bit of feminist in their women because that’s the society we live in, but as men in traditional relationships were leaders and so I think there’s many that can be guided out of that if you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:48 PM
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The fuck does that have to do with what I said? I don’t even hold the view that women in general are only attracted to the top % of men. I’m not even sure how this is relevant. Even if it was, the implication is that women won’t rape ugly people. Can you fucking imagine the uproar if I ever said the reverse?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:42 PM
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Uhh how the hell do you think we got people to stop smoking? You can't force attraction, don't just "lol" about it ffs Yes you can, this idea that you can’t needs to die off. Not sure why it’s so widespread. Standards change all the time. We can literally look at people being attracted to more career women now compared to 70-80 years ago, for example. Literally the clothing we wear, hairstyles, and so on change and our attraction with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:39 PM
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Firstly, a women did not decide that rape is defined as penetration only, men decided that. You’ve taken a quote out of context The fact you didn’t link that source is telling Lmfao you’re right I was just lying oh wait I wasn’t scroll to page 206. Here’s a copy of it, most of the other sources are blocked behind a paywall. https://boysmeneducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Koss-1993-Detecting-the-Scope-of-Rape-a-review-of-prevalence-research-methods-see-p.-206-last-paragraph.pdf She also h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:18 PM
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Exactly. Most men are fine with being drafted, the problem is that they’re held to traditional standards where women aren’t. Feminists and others like to say they’re not in favor of a draft so they can look nice, but they’re not actually in favor of it in practice I can almost guarantee. If another country were to invade with the intent of massacring all the men and enslaving the women, no feminist is going to be against the draft were it needed, and I’m not against it either, because I believe …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:39 PM
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Like how CDC, FBI, and Congress advisor and the most cited woman in feminist literature Mary P Koss intentionally excluded men from being included as rape victims by defining rape as penetrative in nature, meaning if a woman forces you to penetrate them it’s not counted as rape? Here’s the quote: Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropri…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:34 PM
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I’m very traditional, and I’ve been saying this for a long time, but for some reason I still see women complaining “men ain’t shit” because some guy pumped and dumped them because they too can’t go 5 seconds without getting off apparently. Wait until you’re married, if you can’t do that wait until you’re in love, if you can’t do that; then wait until you’re in a committed relationship. I think it’s dumb though to make blanket statements like “men want sex and women commitment” when clearly the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:19 PM
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Selfish entitled behavior is a moral failing and I don’t want it encouraged in society. To offer you an olive branch, I do the same for promiscuous men, or men who demand their women do everything for them while they lay on the couch all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 02:56 AM
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I’m not talking about them, I’m talking about everyone else that sees them being shamed and shunned. Also, lol at thinking social shame doesn’t work. Not sure where you get this idea from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 02:07 AM
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People being selfish and entitled doesn’t make society worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:13 PM
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You absolutely should if they don’t want to raise the kids and just want to have them, lmao. Maybe we’re just different and I do actually care about people making society worse though and that’s just a fundamental difference we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:54 PM
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Because it makes no difference. But a 0.1% difference does, in which you completely ignored when I called you out? The impact is almost the most important bit. If nobody suffered from violence or if everyone even enjoyed it, violence wouldn't be a problem. The impact isn’t relevant to how often something happens. They're not. And it seems no amount of stats will make you understand that because you likely have a personal agenda here. Like the stats you just linked that show equal rates (with men…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:48 PM
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It’s not about “validation”. It’s about holding these people accountable and shaming them so other people don’t exhibit that kind of behavior. Poor, egocentric behavior shouldn’t be accepted. Why is it so hard for you to agree that people shouldn’t behave this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:42 PM
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I don’t date these women, and I also support people calling them out and shaming/mocking them for their asinine standards. The latter part is especially important towards stopping this narcissistic kind of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:20 PM
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No I really just want you to answer my question. By the way, if we want to complain about confirmation bias and ignoring things, why didn’t you include the part literally right before the severe physical violence stats that shows 5.5% of men reported any violence compared to 4.5% of women reported any violence? Men not reporting that they needed some form of help as much of women, or that it impacted them in some fashion, isn’t relevant to our discussion. We’re currently hashing out whether or n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:31 AM
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When it comes to physical violence in relationships, it remains asymmetrical if we look at: - severe physical violence (anything more than a slap or push) 3.1% women (3.9 million) reporting any severe physical violence in the last 12 months 3.0% men (3.5 million) reported experiencing any severe physical violence by an intimate partner in the last 12 months Did you just give a 0.1% difference between this and say it’s asymmetrical?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:41 AM
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Yeah I really just want you to answer my question instead of dodging it thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:02 PM
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Okay but can we acknowledge women aren’t meeting their own standards they’re have for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:15 PM
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I’m just gonna quote you right here. Emotional regulation is not expressing anger to another person
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:13 PM
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I’ll just grant that as long as it you’re willing to agree that women are not meeting the standards they’re putting onto men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:06 PM
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So to be clear, we should NOT express our anger to another person, and instead we should find a healthier method to calm ourselves down, think through the situation rationally, and come up with a better solution when we’re more stable? I’m perfectly fine with this answer if this is your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:04 PM
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How is anger expressed to another person?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:26 PM
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So not expressing your anger for instance, and instead taking time to calm down and come back at it when you have a clear head or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:17 PM
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I mean are we presupposing that women somehow are attractive and emotionally intelligent? They’re more likely to be obese than men, twice as likely to be severely obese as men, and far more likely to have mental health issues. Why do we always ignore that these women aren’t meeting the standards they demand of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:12 PM
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What’s emotional regulation? Can you give an example as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:05 PM
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Of course I can agree that they’re responsible for the majority of violent crime. What I don’t agree with is that domestic violence isn’t 50/50, but thanks for the red herring. Now I want you to answer my question. Is it correct to presuppose domestic violence is primarily a male answer? I answered your question now I want you to answer mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:00 PM
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Women don’t have the risk of getting shot, mugged, assaulted, and so on by random people to the same degree that men do. That has absolutely nothing to do with what we’re saying. The rates are still 50/50, therefore men and women still have an equal chance of being abused. Men just have other things to worry about too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:43 PM
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1. We’re talking about domestic violence. It doesn’t matter that it’s a small snapshot when the perception is that men commit it more. Then let’s just use US data since the same phenomenon exists here. And yet the yearly rates do not show that. I’d trust the yearly rates a hell of a lot more than the lifetime stats, ESPECIALLY given that this could include people raped 50-90 years ago. The actual yearly rates are even. Nobody’s cherry picking anything here. Women are more likely to become a vict…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:02 AM
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But the more frequently offending party will get the ethics finger pointed at more often. And that's what you're observing Yeah I’m just not really sure I buy this point. Domestic violence is 50/50 between genders. Most DV is mutual abuse (reciprocal), but in non reciprocal DV, women were the perpetrators 70% of the time. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/ This exists, and yet the finger for DV gets pointed at men FAR more. If your point were true, we’d see at least somewhat of a …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:02 AM
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The only issue I have (not sure about this particular case) is that a lot of former “influencers” like to say that they’ve reformed when in reality they’ve just seen a different audience they can market to. Many of these people can’t keep the cameras off themselves though. If they’d cut off social media, then came back a few years later, then it would be different. That’s not to say I’ll be rude at the beginning of someone’s journey, but I’m always skeptical of this type of behavior. A lot of it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:48 AM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:32 AM
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Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:09 AM
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Alright female dog
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:45 AM
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I know you’re saying that. I’m saying if the social messaging was different, there’d be less people like you. You’re operating under the assumption that no one is influenced by people around them and the messaging that they get from social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:47 PM
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I didn’t say you specifically would. People in general are influenced by social messaging, not sure why that’s hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:32 PM
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For real. Nothing has blackpilled me more than having three older sisters in their 30s. I don’t usually like anecdotes, but this damn near checks every mark and I gotta let the people know lol. They’re family and I love them, but fuck if it doesn’t hit the nail on the head what many men have to deal with today. They’ve talked about getting free drinks from guys they know they’re not interested in. They’ve consistently talked about how they loudly berate any guy that comes up to them so everyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:18 PM
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How do you show you’re interested and how do you show your love to your partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:07 PM
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It’s not a perfect definition, but I did explicitly mention that she would be a love interest in the example. Like I said I just came up with it on the fly so it’s not perfectly fleshed out and I’d have to think on it more, just trying to capture the essence of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:05 PM
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Women tend to care more about the status quo and this would contribute to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:03 PM
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I do, I speak against promiscuity form everyone, men included. Also it’s because these women are literally the ones upset that men aren’t approaching them. They ought to get upset at the actual people causing the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:03 PM
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This isn’t true, women are just as lonely as men are. Also can you at least admit that women are even worse at meeting the bar? Answer that for me please.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:01 PM
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That’s the point. The women aren’t top 20% and yet you’re claiming the “bar is in hell”. Which fucking level of hell are women at then if that’s the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:48 PM
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Surely those women should complain to the women that said men shouldn’t approach them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:44 PM
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Are you aware only about 7.4% of women are meeting even less than these standards? This is excluding obese women, excluding married women, and having a 4’10-6’0 height, and only a $40,000 income. Looks like you guys can’t even meet the bar lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:23 PM
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Lmao women are twice as likely to be severely obese as men, and even normal obesity they’re 5% more likely to be obese than men. You’re missing the part that most women aren’t top 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:17 PM
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It’s about as mature as saying a random bear is safer than a random man. This is a natural consequence of you guys decisions. I’m also starting to get fed up with the “safety” excuse. I’ve noticed more often than not it’s actually just a convenient shield to ensure you don’t get pushback on your more shallow views because no one wants to be the person to question safety because you’ll get a bunch of people thinking you think rape is okay. I’m not really buying it anymore, and this too is a natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:01 PM
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A person who will defend or do things for a woman solely based on her being a woman, typically when that behavior isn’t reciprocated back. Not a perfect definition, but I just came up with it on the fly. No, doesn’t really fit the definition of misandry any more than calling a woman a bitch is misogyny. It’s not. It’s when you do it in line with my definition that it’s frowned upon because it comes across as if you’re desperate or have no spine, and your entire value system is based off of what …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:36 PM
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Yes actually it’s from a person who writes erotica that’s literally on this thread right now. Here’s what she said. So, unless you're reading the works and grasping the actual narrative, what men often characterize as "women's version of porn," can honestly be far more transcendent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:27 PM
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You don’t think a story about a woman getting fucked by a Minotaur is porn? I’m sorry to break it to you but it is lmfao. Just admit it, I don’t know why you have to pretend like this isn’t. And no, I don’t think a man watching gang bang porn is the same as a woman wanting to be fucked by a glorified cow. Even the piss fetish isn’t as bad as that. Do you read this stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:28 PM
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That’s fine be weird all you like just don’t pretend like you’re “transcending” lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:26 PM
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Can we at least acknowledge the Minotaur porn is a little weird and that we don’t have to intellectualize it though? Like do we have to pretend like this isn’t bizarre?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:53 PM
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Jesus man are we really trying to intellectualize a book called morning glory milking farm? It is literally about a woman getting fucked by a Minotaur or something, stop trying to pretend like you guys are “transcending” by reading this weird shit. It’s just women gooning and trying to feel less disgusting about their monster beastiality porn. At least when men are into something weird like feet they don’t try to pretend they have a divine right to gooning to feet ordained by Christ himself, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:52 PM
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How do you reconcile this with your initial comment? Quoting here so it’s easier to see. Note that when I say “provide” I mean monetarily. The difference is that men don’t have children. Men won’t pay a marriage penalty, and men won’t be financially vulnerable. It reads more like you’re saying men should provide (monetarily) because women get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:48 PM
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Removed my other comment because the link was weird and I’m redoing it here and I forgot about the edit button. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cady_Stanton If you ctrl+f or scroll a little under the quotes you’ll find it, and it gives a link to her diary and the page # (270) where you can read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:45 PM
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Dude I’m literally just asking should they provide, you can qualify it but I want at least a yes or no. I’m trying to see what duties you think men in general have so I can compare that with the duties you think women have. If the idea is that you don’t think men should provide, just say no. You can add “but one person has to provide” and that’s fine, but it’s hard for me to see your actual worldview without giving a solid answer. It’s hard for me to tell because your initial comment is that men…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:18 PM
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I mean I’m asking if they should provide. Not if it’s better or anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:43 PM
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That she said the quote or her influence as a feminist? The quote is from her own diary.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:21 PM
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I understand but I’m asking if men should provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:14 PM
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Here’s a quote from Elizabeth Cady Stanton, one of the most influential and famous feminists of all time. She was probably the most prominent leader of the first wave feminists in the 19th century, and considered one of the greatest women’s rights advocates of all time by modern feminists. We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men, and if we were free and developed, healthy in body and mind, as we should be under natural conditions, our motherhood would be our glory. That function gives women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:50 PM
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Ever heard of the Duluth model? It’s a model used in many states that sees men as inherently the aggressors. This leads to cases where male victims can actually be arrested when THEY’RE the ones being abused. This isn’t just online.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:48 PM
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So should men provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:36 PM
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I mean sure but the problem is it’s not as if the guy knows you’re attracted to him or not until he actually asks. We’re not mind readers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:14 PM
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That’s tough shit lmao. Time to get some thicker skin and not get offended by things that aren’t offensive in the first place. Seriously, if I just use the word female interchangeably with the word woman, what’s actually bad about that? It wouldn’t be used negatively if my intentions aren’t to dehumanize. The only one putting a negative connotation onto that is you, so the onus is on you to stop being so offended by the most milquetoast things. This is the problem people have with modern feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:45 PM
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I don’t care how it comes across, I care about the persons intent when they use the term. In fact, the word “woman” and “man” comes across as dehumanizing to me so I’d appreciate if you used the words female and male instead. See why tone policing sucks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:58 AM
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We can just do both. Believe it or not, socially shaming people is a very good strategy for fixing these types of behaviors. Not sure why we wouldn’t also do this for women especially if they’re the ones “at fault”.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:51 PM
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I have no problem if someone says “men are animals” depending on the context. It’s almost like phrases can be derogatory or perfectly valid and okay depending on the context and we can’t make blanket statements about how they’re used! I’m shocked! It’s almost like the word “female” isn’t bad or derogatory unless it’s used in a bad or derogatory manner thus there’s no need for people to be upset when the word is used!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:11 PM
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I mean it does matter lol. Why wouldn’t the solution be to convince her that she’s not settling instead? I’m not sure where people get the idea that this is an impossible task from.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:08 PM
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Can women have an inaccurate perception about their social status and appearance?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:56 PM
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How are those women “settling for men” if they’re their match? Them wanting a higher status or better looking man and not getting it doesn’t mean they’re settling, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:50 PM
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You dont need a qualifier to know if you’re a male, lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:41 PM
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Are you a male?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:38 PM
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What’s wrong with saying female?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:20 PM
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No, but they’re complaining about men not living up to their traditional roles when one of the entire points of feminism was to eliminate traditional roles. It did for men’s expectation for women, but it didn’t eliminate women’s expectations for men. How many women are willing to date men that make less money than them? Not fucking many, it’s about 15%. How many women are willing to date men weaker than them? Not fucking many either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:59 PM
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If the goal is about equality then that means… equality. If you don’t advocate that areas where women are superior to men should be made equal, then that’s not equality by definition. Saying “feminism is only about equality for women and not men” is a contradictory definition. Equality is a word used solely in comparison to men in this context, so it necessitates that they’re equal to men. What is it with you guys and these absolutely terrible, absurd definitions? Just say you’re advocating for …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:45 PM
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You saying it’s the obvious answer to use a damn strap on? Here’s something analogous. Imagine a guy tells his girlfriend that her vagina isn’t tight enough. He then buys a fleshlight and puts it on top of her and fucks that instead. Would it really be that much of a shock if she were slighted by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:35 AM
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You couldn’t because men don’t get pregnant, thus they have no need. This is the entire point behind a traditional relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:45 AM
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I’m not sure I’m understanding what you’re asking. What I’m saying is if you have more people, the wages aren’t going to go up because that skill becomes less valuable. If only one person can do a job, that person can make their price because no one else can do it. If 100 people can do a job, the employer can name their price because if it’s too little for one person, he’s got 99 other people and he just needs 1 that’s willing to work for a lower wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:20 PM
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Why does “not being able to keep your own body alive” mean you’re not a person? Also define person for me please.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:39 AM
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I think the idea is that less people I the workforce = higher wages due to supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:33 AM
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I’m asking you WHY. Why does being inside of the uterus not make you a person? If a baby is 20 minutes from being born, are they not a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:57 PM
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I agree men might be more tolerant, but it doesn’t solve the issue of having to raise children outside of your home for the majority of the day, nor does it solve the issue for single people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:44 PM
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A child can not be a fetus because that one isn't capable of living outside the uterus. Do you understand how incredibly loaded this statement is? This is not something you can assert and state as truth, this one statement is the crux of the issue and is what the entire debate is about. You have to actually provide evidence that “being capable of living outside the uterus” is what makes someone a person. I do not know why people just make heavy assertions like this and assume that everyone belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:42 PM
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I’m not sure if we’re allowed to debate abortion here, but this is terrible logic. Fetus is simply the name we give to a stage of life, just as we do infant, toddler, teenager, etc. If your child is a toddler, they’re still your child. Just say they’re not a person, that’s the only consistent logic you can have. I think they are, but don’t know if this is the place to debate that. Just correcting your logic and argumentation to be more consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:58 PM
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The general argument is that women in the work force is a large factor for why wages decreased and haven’t risen. There’s a strong correlation in the 70s and wages not rising. Women doubled the workforce, it makes sense that when there’s more people, you have a greater supply, and thus less wages because more and more people can do the work. Most that I see aren’t in favor of banning women from the workforce, they usually accept that today you just have to make ends meet. I’ve seen people adding…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:56 PM
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This is not true! I’m not sure where this myth keeps getting spread from (probably feminist standpoint theory), but it isn’t true!!! Only around 20% of women worked in the early 1900s. They’d do home tasks which were much more laborious than today (they didn’t have washing machines, dishwashers, etc), but they weren’t working for wages like we assume. Farm work for sure, but it was still all work around the house and not paid work. I’m not sure why we’re trying to equate this to wage work outsid…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:53 PM
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Uhuh and you’re missing one other key factor that divorced (assuming they’re not at fault) stay at home wives get. What do they get that might make up that difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:49 PM
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What are some of the options she has to get money when she leaves?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:51 PM
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Why can’t she leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:42 PM
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Yup. It’s important to note that our “gut feelings” are wired to assume the worst case scenario. This helped thousands of years ago, it’s better to assume the branch snapping in the woods is a tiger even if it’s not because if you’re wrong and assume it’s nothing, you die. There aren’t tigers waiting to pounce on us now, but the instinct is still there and we value the potential very dangerous explanation over the more likely reasonable explanation because it used to be much more beneficial to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:12 PM
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Why does that mean you’re a prisoner? If a man and woman loved each other and the woman stayed at home how is she a prisoner? “Dependence” doesn’t make sense because the husband also depends on her (and usually divorce is much worse on him than it is for her).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:57 PM
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Would you care if your girlfriend fucked 1000 men prior to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:54 PM
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Dear diary
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:53 PM
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I don’t really have an issue then as long as you’re willing to do that. That said, we’d also have to say most women are divorced from their femininity because most aren’t doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 04:54 AM
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I’m fine with them just saying that. What I’m actually doing is getting them to realize that what we’re arguing isn’t actually a principle they hold, and that their actual principle is “I only want men I’m attracted to to ask me out”. They’re usually uncomfortable admitting this though so I have to try a million different ways to get them to actually answer and say what they really believe. Edit: to be clear, I mean that their principle of “men being friends then asking me out later is a grand b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:24 PM
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If your husband said you guys need to move to another state away from your family and you didn’t want to move, would you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:21 PM
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If you’re attracted to someone but want to get to know them first before asking them out is that supposed to be bad or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:08 PM
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Should you nurture, raise children, and submit to your husbands authority?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:04 PM
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I’m not asking what the survey specifies I’m asking what you yourself thinks. I suspect you don’t have one because you don’t know and you haven’t thought about it. Given that that’s most likely the case, you should revisit your argument before trying to make one that you don’t even understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:39 AM
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What a strawman. I literally said “don’t be awkward” in my first post. This implies a basic level of social skills that make people not want to avoid you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:42 PM
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So you don’t have a number? Again I’m asking for two working parents. Obviously if they’re SAH it doesn’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:36 PM
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Are you married?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:34 PM
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I like engaging with trolls like this. I just like to talk shit sometimes, it’s fun to me and I know I’m better at it than them. I wish this subreddit let us roast each other a little more sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:32 PM
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Do you wanna throw out a number then? The woman can work throughout that time, she’s not losing out on money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:02 PM
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He should compensate based off of how much time the woman is sacrificing from having the child. If she’s out for 3 months, he should make up the difference in his lifetime salary. So if you make 2,000 a month (arbitrary number, adjust based on her salary), he should make an extra 6,000 dollars over his career to compensate. Assuming he had around 50 years left, he should be making about $120 more in his yearly salary. We can throw in an extra $50 just to be nice too. It’s the perfect compromise!…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:57 PM
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Lmao yeah I’m refusing to engage by wanting you to answer the question that you won’t answer. Goodbye!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:53 PM
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Okay then what % should men provide? Why not 50% if we actually want equality? If men are supposed to be providers then should women be mothers and nurturers, or do you just want women to get all of the benefits of traditional relationships with none of the responsibilities? Sorry, but no, it’s not acceptable for you to have some easy low stress HR job while he busts his ass as a software engineer or something if you want equality. Not all 40 hours are created equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:39 PM
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I’m not asking what women offer I’m asking what you offer lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:36 PM
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Lmao what do you have to offer then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:31 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ Roughly seven-in-ten adults (71%) say it is very important for a man to be able to support a family financially to be a good husband or partner. By comparison, 32% say it’s very important for a woman to do the same to be a good wife or partner, according to a new Pew Research Center survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:29 PM
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Exactly because you don’t want to admit some women can be irrational as fuck and pop off at something tiny. This is the exact problem he’s talking about. You’re not bringing any perspective at all because you won’t answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:22 PM
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Bro why can people not read? I say women are more emotional than men, and somehow you interpret that as me saying men aren’t emotional. Nobody’s saying men aren’t emotional, we’re saying that research tells us women are more emotional than men. This is including emotions like anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:36 PM
2

Just answer my question instead of answering my question with a question. Let’s just assume OP is being fully honest and they’re flipping shit because they didn’t get cuddles. Can you at least admit that’s bad and childish and we should hold women like that accountable? Saying “well I can’t answer” is just a cop out. We can just assume this is a fully theoretical situation and we can at least figure out a principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:34 PM
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I mean that’s fine but I’m not sure why you brought an extra qualifier in unless you were just adding to what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:33 PM
3

What the hell does that have to do with what I said? It’s still better to use your words. Body language can be extremely vague and hard to interpret, ESPECIALLY when it comes to romantic situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:32 PM
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How in the hell is somebody supposed to know someone is or isn’t interested in them unless they ask first? You’re not going to know they aren’t interested unless you ask, is just asking considered a betrayal or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:29 PM
3

And they’re extremely vague and it’s far more difficult in practice to determine whether or not someone is actually interested in you. Why don’t women just use their words instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:31 PM
2

Is spazzing out because you don’t get cuddles at night an okay and adult way to handle that situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:29 PM
5

Going into a friendship then later falling in love is not betrayal, so there was no pretending. Getting to know someone as a friend first and then shooting your shot is not dishonest or a betrayal either. This is what women have told men to do instead of cold approaching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:28 PM
1

We’re not talking about violence we’re talking about ALL emotions. Stop shifting the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:26 PM
1

I’m gonna repeat myself that these outbursts of anger are already included under the umbrella of neuroticism and women still display higher levels of neuroticism. I’d like you to address that instead of avoiding it, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:35 PM
1

I’m curious. How would you react if a guy told you that he’s not going to put up with that shit? I’m genuinely curious because some women do this as a type of test, or they’ve never been told no, some respond negatively and some positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:13 PM
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I don’t think the scheduling is the problem, it’s moreso the spazzing out and flipping shit because your guy couldn’t cuddle you. Are you actually ever going to hold these women accountable for their childish behavior? Why are we even questioning OP as if the issue is a misaligned schedule and not the women acting like petulant children? I’m not sure why we treat women like they’re toddlers that we just expect to behave like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:11 PM
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What are you talking about? Women have higher levels of neuroticism. Anger falls under the umbrella of neuroticism, and women still display higher levels of it. “Punching holes in the wall” is already included in this metric, and women have higher overall levels. You just notice it more when men ade emotional because it’s much less common and more dangerous since it usually manifests as anger. That doesn’t mean men are more emotional overall. They even display much higher levels of mental health…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:52 PM
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Are you actually going to give him an example like he asked or just outsource your thinking to a full Wikipedia article that isn’t even specific to romantic relationships? No, randomly glancing for half a second, or walking near a guy at a bar isn’t a social cue. Some women consider looking at a man and smiling a social cue, others don’t. Is it really that hard for you to admit that women can be very vague with their cues or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:43 PM
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How in the hell is that a betrayal?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:37 PM
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It’s a very weird thing today. People have lost the ability to deal with any bit of discomfort in their relationships (both platonic and romantic), and it makes people feel awkward to know someone’s interested, so they consider that awkward uncomfortable feeling a bad thing, therefore they betrayed them. Or they’ll believe that the man deceived them by “pretending to be their friend” and then going out with them. In reality, either the person initially didn’t have romantic intentions and then fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:36 PM
1

Some are and some aren’t but we certainly bond over it. To be clear, I don’t think anyone is saying those are the ONLY things you should be doing to get in a relationship. It’s that they’re more tangible and clear than some vague “be a better person” or something. You can’t exactly make a prescription like that online. It’s a lot easier to tell someone to cover the fundamentals first. It’s not the only thing that matters, but I can’t see a world where becoming more fit, healthy, and having a sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:22 PM
1

Not necessarily but it can help.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:15 PM
0

I think you haven’t called a woman fat before then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:38 PM
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I actually just want you to answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:27 PM
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It is, but for some reason everybody thinks that the most likely answer can’t be the answer for them. Many people will have mental health problems, they’ll eat like shit, hardly get enough (or too much) calories, have terrible sleeping habits, never exercise, and then when someone tells them they should maybe change that they lash out. It happens on reddit all the time. Sometimes you need someone to pour cold water over your face so you can actually see reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:58 PM
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Uhh can you not fucking read? He said “it wasn’t effort”. That was his original claim. Scroll up and open your eyeballs. It very clearly is. I also SPECIFICALLY SAID ITS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. Go back and read and apologize to me for not reading my entire post. I specifically said in my first response, and I want you to acknowledge this, “I’m not denying there’s other factors too”. I literally said this and I want you to respond to that in my next comment and I want you to concede that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:56 PM
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Yeah you just completely ignored every other part where I didn’t include sexual attraction which was mentioned literally once. Also, you’re entirely wrong lmfao. I’m extremely traditional and Christian and think sex should only be held inside of marriage. I think promiscuity is terrible for men and women. Great job making assumptions though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:44 PM
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Hey queen! 👸(<— you) your nails are so gorgeous girly! 💅 Will you like please answer my question haha
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:39 PM
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Ok, when you mom or dad are sad when does how much you lift make them feel better. When a family member is sick, how dies showing them your bank account help. When looking for a connection, how much is just staying at the other person going “you pretty” do to build that? What the fuck are you bringing up mom and dad for? And are you really this uneducated about relationships that you don’t think looking physically attractive, being healthy, and having money helps? I’m so glad I asked you because…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:36 PM
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Yeah that’s not an answer to my question and I’d like you to answer it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:28 PM
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Who’s more likely to banter in a friend group? Is a man more likely to joke about his friend being fat, or a woman? Who reacts worse would you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:23 PM
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No wait, you’re right and my source was just using the national average, the actual highest is… 28%!!! Wow, we’re really getting close to 50:50 here! https://badgerherald.com/news/madison/2021/04/13/uwpd-mpd-pledge-to-bring-more-women-into-law-enforcement-with-30x30-pledge/ This was the absolute only source I could find that showed it. So yeah, you made it the fuck up, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:12 PM
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Actually yeah you don’t need to, you just fucking lied lmfao. The absolute highest ratio for women has drumroll a 14% female police force. Now are you willing to concede here that you just made that shit up so we can move on?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:59 PM
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Lmfao yeah you just made that the fuck up. Which city?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:57 PM
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And are cops majority male or female?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:56 PM
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Actually yeah, I do want you to explain it. Tell me what I’m missing when we’re talking about “effort” and tell me how women put more effort into it. Yes, I want you to articulate your thoughts instead of just being snarky and vague. Saying “relationships are developed and meaningful and sometimes intimate” is the most vague reductive bullshit I’ve ever heard of in my life. It hardly even means anything. I feel like you just read the equivalent of a “live, laugh, love” quote except for relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:56 PM
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I mean but if you had to guess who tends to be more upset with uncomfortable truths would you say women do it more, or men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:52 PM
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Would you call the police if you were in imminent danger or try to handle it yourself in any situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:49 PM
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How in the hell would it not be? Now I’m not denying there’s other factors too, but on what planet is this not effort? What I’d actually ask is what effort are they supposed to be putting in that women are? Men are already putting in far more hours in most relationships (about 3-15 hours more in the majority of relationships when you add paid work, housework, and childcare. This also excludes male focused work like yard work, repairs, and driving). They do FAR more emotional labor too. I’m not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:46 PM
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Exactly. We can call it patriarchy if we like, but that traditional system was literally set up because it was optimal for our survival. We can debate on whether or not it’s still needed, but it’s not some weird dynamic where people just wanted to enslave women or something. Some people certainly go to the extreme, but in the western world they typically didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:35 PM
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I’m not a red piller PUA type but generally the most prominent advice I see by them is to “get jacked and shredded, make a lot of money, become a top 20% guy, and stop being awkward”. Not sure how that’s not effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:33 PM
1

Just answer my question. “I expect him to pay because I expect it” is not an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:47 AM
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Yeah that’s not an answer to my question. Why do you hold him to this standard? I don’t care that his standard is to do more for his woman than she does for him, I’m asking why you hold the standard. Why do you require a man pay for your food?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:14 AM
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So we shouldn’t hold women to social standards. This would be done BY MEN. Logically, this means men had to change their behavior to not play into that social stigma by definition because they’d be the ones holding them to a traditional role. Logically, the inverse is true and women should also not hold that traditional role for men. Great, we can say men shouldn’t date women who ask to pay, but why in the hell would we also not include women on this and say they should stop holding that standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:01 PM
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That’s not what I said. When a man sees an attractive pornstar or model or something online, with perfect bodies and makeup and so on, women argued this was causing harmful beauty standards for women. This is a direct complaint against men’s standards, not women asking for their own preferences or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:53 PM
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I just want to get this perfectly clear. We should NOT hold women to this social standard, right? As in, it would be harmful to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:51 PM
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I would say he’s doing more because you’re holding him to an additional standard while not having an equivalent. Why do you hold him to this standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:50 PM
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Have you ever heard of the term gish gallop? In the interests of not getting mired down by asking for 10 different laws and then breaking them all down, I’ll just go into the social pressure since that’s the most comparable. I want you to answer my actual question. I’m not asking for a descriptor, I’m asking for a prescription. SHOULD we hold women to traditional social roles, and create a stigma around not following it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:40 PM
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You must have been living under a rock for the past 10-15 years then. Hell, a good example of this is porn. Many women complain about the effect this has on beauty standards for women. That’s just one example, but it’s the same concept applied to other forms of entertainment and not just porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:38 PM
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Women were able to work, vote, and all of that stuff. This is all feminist nonsense by women’s studies professors that we take as fact now for some reason. I’ve asked people for specific laws multiple times and they can’t give me any without making some vague statement about how something might have been used to oppress women. By early 1900s, I’m talking about post 19th amendment (which women were actually against, by the way until 1917 or so!) They had bank accounts too. The reason many women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:30 PM
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Lmfao they literally complained about men having those standards, what are you even talking about? They just call them misogynistic pigs. Many literally get mad if you think fat chicks are unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:23 PM
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Would you have said that in the early 1900s where we still held women to traditional norms? That women “didn’t have” to be traditional and submit to their husbands if they didn’t want to, and that they should stop complaining about “the patriarchy”? Do you disagree with feminists on this or do you think feminism was a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:21 PM
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Lmfao do you think women have literally any duties at all that men don’t also have? You can have that standard, sure, but it’s also a double standard and you’re asking for more than you give. Your husband is gracious to you for doing it. Your husband is literally putting more into the relationship than you are by your own definition. You’re holding him to traditional standards, he’s not doing the same for you. This is not an equal exchange. Sorry to break it to you but it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:20 PM
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Don’t need an alternative reality, they already did. They consistently cry and complain about “the male gaze” and “unrealistic body standards” for women 24/7. It’s how we got the Concord game lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:40 PM
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Do you not think advertisements work or something? They just spend billions just because it’s funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:51 AM
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Tell me, if propaganda works as well as you claim, did all the “everyone is beautiful” propaganda make you want to date ugly fat girls? Lmfao this is actually a perfect example of propaganda in action. You missed the point of body positivity! Remember how I said women are the largest consumers? Women have high rates of obesity (men do too, but we’re talking about a female focused marketing campaign). Body positivity was NEVER about getting people to accept that being fat was beautiful, it was ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 10:40 PM
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Yup. Like I said, the trend was going down, but it’s completely reversed, and I’d expect that number to continue going up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:41 PM
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Point me ANYWHERE in my comment where I said anything about somebody being stupid, or a dribbling idiot, or something similar. That’s right, you fucking can’t and have to make it up because I didn’t say it. This is why I’m not interested in having this conversation because you utterly fail at not projecting your own thoughts onto someone else. I can’t argue with someone who’s arguing a position I never took.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 06:24 PM
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Re read the OP’s post. He said women care more than men. I said that men care more than women. By OP’s post I mean the person I’m responding to, not the OP of this entire thread. Most people don’t care, but that’s starting to change in recent years and that trend is reversing according to Pew (there was an increase of people being concerned over birth rates I believe last year, whereas previously the trend was that people didn’t care).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 06:22 PM
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Men have always held a strong sense of duty and responsibility towards their families. Women did too. What really destroyed it was feminism in all its waves (yes even the 1st, I used to be okay with the 1st until I actually read about it and saw they use the same argumentation feminists do today). The second wave and the sexual revolution destroyed this sense of duty and responsibility that women had to society. Most people will say men SHOULD protect and provide; even those women that say men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:26 PM
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I’ve gone through this entire conversation with you already and you always blindly assume I disrespect women based off of nothing. You just strawman my entire position and make assertions I’ve never made (I never said women were dribbling morons, men are susceptible to propaganda too). Not really interested in speaking with someone who’s going to put words in my mouth that I never said. When you can accurately repeat back my argument to me then I’d be willing, but you’re too incapable of not pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:54 PM
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Why would the genie be out of the bottle? People aren’t still immune to propaganda. Why do you think most ads target women? We literally got an entire country both to start smoking, and then to stop with massive amounts of propaganda. No, blind hedonism isn’t a good societal prescription. I don’t even think women are happy living like that. They’re less happy and have more mental issues than they’ve ever had historically, and they’re just as lonely as men are, it just happens in their 40s instea…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:52 PM
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It’s anecdotal evidence, that’s not the same as actual data. It could just be that that’s the case in your social sphere, but it’s not the case for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:43 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/09/14/what-makes-for-a-fulfilling-life/ Women place a little more importance on job or career enjoyment than men do (74% vs. 69%). At the same time, men place somewhat more importance on marriage and having children. Some 28% of men, compared with 18% of women, say being married is extremely or very important for a fulfilling life. Similarly, 29% of men versus 22% of women say the same about having children. I expect a concession from you for saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:42 PM
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You don’t have to make any laws. You just change the social messaging to encourage women to have more children and to value motherhood. How do you think we got women in the workforce? They literally got a shit ton of top-down propaganda like Rosie the Riveter (for WW2, note that rates of women in the workforce actually dropped after the war because they didn’t like it), but really in the 70s with the second wave and feminists infiltrating academia, and top second wave feminist Gloria Steinem wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:03 PM
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Yeah it’s made up. Most men actually do 3-15 more hours of work depending on if they’re a primary or sole breadwinner per week. Work being defined as paid work, housework, and childcare. This is the case in 55% of relationships. This whole “MeNtAl LoAd!!!” Thing from feminists is a load of bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:58 PM
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Yup, I’m noticing people care a lot more about this now. I think I saw a recent Pew study that also confirmed this, I want to say it was a 5% increase of people caring? Not substantially high, but the important thing is the trend reversed, not necessarily the number right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:57 PM
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That’s anecdotal. Data today shows men value marriage and children more than women, who value careers more. Edit: here’s my source since no one believes me. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/09/14/what-makes-for-a-fulfilling-life/ “ Women place a little more importance on job or career enjoyment than men do (74% vs. 69%). At the same time, men place somewhat more importance on marriage and having children. Some 28% of men, compared with 18% of women, say being married is extremely o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:46 PM
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So you’re just making it the fuck up and projecting your own thoughts into others lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:45 PM
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I know you don’t care lmao you don’t care about anything that might suggest you’re wrong. My only goal is to show everyone else reading that you’re wrong, I’m not trying to convince you lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:42 PM
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That’s what I thought. Zero counter whatsoever, no ability to articulate your thoughts or flesh out your beliefs at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:15 AM
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4B but on a subreddit where people complain about dating. Surely it’s not copium. You’ve definitely decentered men from your life by constantly complaining about them!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:55 PM
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Good god, how can you fail to comprehend your own post that you wrote? That, or your shifting the goalposts to a completely separate sport. You weren’t just talking about “prison populations”, you said “most women’s crimes aren’t violent”. That is a drastically different claim. You also tried to juxtapose that with men. I’m not sure why you would then bring up male violent crime statistics right after that statement if it wasn’t to imply most men’s crimes were violent when most are nonviolent. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:29 PM
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Will you please just answer the question dude stop dodging it it’s not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:51 PM
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That’s not the answering the question I asked. I asked “SHOULD” women be mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:46 PM
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SHOULD women be mothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:39 PM
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Well it’s not, Pew reported about 70% of people say men should provide to be a good husband and only 30% say so about women. People also do not hold women to their traditional roles; most people will not say women SHOULD have children, they’ll say it’s their choice and they shouldn’t be shamed one way or the other. They’re also okay with women both staying at home, or with women working. Given this, how in the hell are men the entitled ones? We even do more total hours of work EVEN IF you includ…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:29 PM
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Are you just looking at crime statistics based on people prosecuted?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:07 PM
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I have a coworker who got reported for asking a woman to lunch. It wasn’t even romantic funnily enough, he’s married and wanted to go over something with her. Sorry, but nobody wants to take that risk. That, or if you do it in public you have to deal with someone screaming at you in front of a bunch of people that you’re harassing them because you said hello. My sisters have done that to a few guys and gleefully talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:06 PM
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Does society think men should be the first to pay for dates, and that men should provide? Not what you think, but what society thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:03 PM
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I’m not sure why we act like women don’t have similar issues. They get upset when you express your emotions because they don’t know how to handle another man’s emotions, they want them to make more money than them, they’re overly materialistic and focused on their social status, they’re extremely hard to please because they want to keep up with the joneses and do whatever popular couple is doing on TikTok, they’re excessively neurotic and mentally unwell and lack the ability to control their own…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:03 PM
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Use context clues you’ll figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:32 PM
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Just pretend it’s all true for a second. I care about the principle behind it and not necessarily whether or not it’s true for right now. Would it be good if a woman did this and everything is as OP says?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:48 AM
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Well what if he is being truthful?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:08 AM
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Is the woman doing a good thing by telling her husband to work because she doesn’t want to be around him?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:07 AM
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That’s nice but that doesn’t answer my question. I want an answer to what I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 11:06 PM
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Wait so is this woman doing a good thing in this relationship by forcing her husband to work because she doesn’t want to be near him all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 11:02 PM
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Yup I think we won’t get any further, so I’ll just rest my case by saying that anyone who reads this exchange should realize that the person who thinks “men are blind to women’s issues” believes the majority of men approve of rape. I think that speaks for itself and more than proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:56 PM
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That’s what I thought lmao. It’s hard for me to believe you yourself aren’t blind to men’s struggles when I’ve just had a conversation talking to you where you said most men approve of rape. I can’t imagine anything more out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:42 PM
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No shit I’m going to press you on your view of what mens struggles are, you just tried to assert men are blind to women’s struggles. I’m asking to see if you’re also blind to men’s struggles. There’s no couched language or anything here from me. If I just made a blanket generalization about women, I’d expect pushback too. Not sure why you’re so shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:12 PM
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I’m curious, what do you think men’s struggles consist of?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:26 PM
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I could just as easily argue that men don’t want to date up because women are more likely to divorce them when they are, because they themselves see the men as inferior. The funny thing though, is that I don’t even necessarily disagree. Men usually don’t want to date someone higher than them in income, women don’t want to date someone lower. There’s all sorts of biological/social reasons for this (women innately want a provider/protector because they had children). The problem isn’t that women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:18 PM
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So there is a different standard then, and men date down while women date up, meaning men don’t care about status at least not nearly to the same degree. If we’re referring to income, this isn’t true either. Men date down in income as well for the most part, not across.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:34 AM
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What if a man wants to be a provider with a submissive stay at home mother? Does feminism say that choice is okay, or do they say he’s an evil overlord who wants a bangmaid?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:40 AM
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Can men make choices to “be whatever they want” without shame?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:48 AM
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What is the “core stuff” for women and men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:57 PM
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I’ll try this a different way then. Do beauty standards change over time? Not that there aren’t certain unchangeable characteristics, but do at least some change over time? By this I mean do people find different types of clothing , body types, markings like tattoos, hair styles/types, body shapes, and so on attractive as time goes on?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:39 PM
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Does porn increase men’s beauty standards for women? As in, if men see a bunch of beautiful models on IG or in porn, is that going to change their perception of the average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:54 PM
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Didn’t you literally JUST say in your previous post women tend to date across and up? What is the implication that MUST exist on how men date if women date across and up? Even if most women date across (however this is defined; if it’s by income then most date up), how are the men that the women are dating up dating? Are they both dating up somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:53 PM
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What do you mean? This is PRECISELY the ethos of feminism; to steel man their position, they’d say that “we should allow women to have choices and we shouldn’t stigmatize or shame them for it”. How in the hell is that not just saying what the guy you’re responding to is saying? Some behaviors SHOULD be shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:29 PM
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What is so bad about being dependent on your partner? In fact, a very common talking point here is that men are much more dependent on their wives, which is why men want to be married more. How in the hell is it bad to be dependent on a person you love? No one’s advocating you should be forced into a relationship with someone. No one I know of is advocating you have to stay with abusers. Even the idea of “well they’ll be behind in their careers!” Is inaccurate because we have alimony specificall…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:21 PM
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I wouldn’t even say women should “lower their standards”. It would be more accurate to say that they need to appropriately assess their own selves and to stop inflating their own value. Sorry, but most women aren’t 9s/10s no matter how much their friends want to gas them up and say they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:14 PM
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What the manosphere says on the internet isn’t the same as what the rest of society says.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:13 PM
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Do you not understand that the existence of “up” means those men are dating down? The entire point is that this is not a standard that goes both ways. Women care about social status, men don’t. We can’t ignore up just because some also date across.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:12 PM
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4B yet you’re stuck on a subreddit about dating complaining about men. You’ve sure moved on!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:06 PM
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Every western society. Actually every society except some in Africa.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:58 PM
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How are our birth rates doing and what are young women’s thoughts on children?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:55 AM
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Then what “should” women do if men should provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:19 AM
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Because women delay childbirth due to college and establishing themselves in the workforce, and then they’re in their later years where they’re less fertile and it’s harder to have a lot of children. It’s a lot more to do with that than just “marriage bad for women!!!”, though I do think that plays a small role.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:18 AM
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Right, so you just made it the fuck up, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:18 PM
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He was the one who said probability didn’t matter. I’m saying it does, that’s my entire point. If the choice were actually what you mentioned, obviously you’d just get shot. My point is that that isn’t the dilemma, and that a bear is far more likely to attack you than a man is to rape and kill you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:13 PM
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Source that most men are pro rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:12 PM
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You think the MAJORITY OF MEN ARE NOT AGAINST RAPE? This is the most terminally online shit I have ever seen. I do not even know how to answer this other than I will never take anything you say seriously again and I hope everyone reading this does the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:23 PM
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Do you think more men are against rape or that more are rapists?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:17 PM
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Please tell me where I once said anything about bears having morality or being equal to a man or something. You’re just strawmanning. Repeat my position back to me so I know you understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:52 PM
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One of the entire major points is that they think that men are more dangerous than a bear. If they’re refusing to take into account factors that make bears more dangerous, but leaving the ones for men, it’s a flawed comparison, and you might as well say “would you rather come across a known rapist or a teddy bear in the woods”. They’re underestimating the chances that the bear may attack, and completely overestimating the chance of a human attacking. You’re throwing on “emotional regulation” and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:01 PM
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Where’d you get that one from? I’m saying there’s different types of bears that can have different levels of aggression. That’s just biological fact. They’re more likely to attack if they’re a polar bear or a grizzly, or if they’re hungry, or with cubs. That’s what I mean by “bad intent”. The reason is because many come to the assumption that it’s just a standard black bear that’s gonna run away the second it sees you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 05:49 PM
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Yeah I’m calling horse shit on that unless you were a trafficking victim or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 05:21 PM
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Good god. How would you feel if space aliens invaded your brain tonight?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 05:09 PM
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Wow so you actually can play pretend! Now answer my question. How would you feel if you were a woman in that situation? It’s not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 05:00 PM
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What are you too afraid to admit that you were perfectly willing to fuck a bunch of random men beyond count? You’ll let the random men sleep with you but god forbid you come across one in the woods! Great logic there, genius. Everyone here needs to read this so they can see how illogical these types of people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:59 PM
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Are you a straight woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:53 PM
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How would you feel if you didn’t eat breakfast this morning?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:52 PM
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Why in this hypothetical do women not seem to realize that “man with bad intentions” can also apply to the bear? The assumption is always that the chance is that there’s a man with bad intentions, but there’s never an assumption that the bears species may be a more aggressive one, it may have cubs, it may be starving, and so on. It’s just assumed we’re talking about a random black bear who’s probably going to mind its own business. If we can make the argument that the man COULD be a person with …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:52 PM
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Then pretend like you were a woman, it’s a hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:49 PM
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Lmfao nice troll
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:48 PM
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Would you rather be stuck in a room with 100 bears or 100 men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:43 PM
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Okay if the probability doesn’t matter then would you rather be shot in the head or come across a random man in the woods?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:42 PM
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Would you rather be stuck in a room with 100 men or 100 bears?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:41 PM
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Would you rather be stuck in a large room with 100 men or 100 bears?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:40 PM
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Lmfao who’s Bentley? A pimp named slipback?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:17 PM
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Well no, that was your argument. My argument is that it's irrelevant for this discussion, as we are specifically talking about couples with children. I’m talking about the entire post, not just what the op of this chain said. It’s a moot point to bring up when women aren’t having children. When they do, they have one. That’s maybe 2-3 months or so out of work. Let’s not over exaggerate and pretend like this is some insane sacrifice. I understand when you’re having 3+ children but one is not sign…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:39 PM
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Not only do women negotiate salary more often than men, they're more likely to be penalizedwhen they do. There is almost 0 information in this “study”, and it’s almost 20 years old. I’m not seeing what questions were asked, how many people were involved, where it even was, etc. I’m not disagreeing that in the 2000s there might have been that perception, but this is nearly 20 years later. Society has changed DRASTICALLY since then, especially with gender roles and 4th wave feminism. I’m not even …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:20 PM
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We can when a very high amount of people are only dating online. I’m including things like Instagram and such here as well, since I think it’s a similar concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:40 PM
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That’s my point, I’m saying that we should try to make society better. I know what you’re saying isn’t about it. What I’m saying is you’re advocating for things that make society worse (discouraging people from having healthy relationships). I don’t think we should do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:06 PM
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Do you think they’re anywhere near as stressful as the jobs I mentioned (which are some of the most popular male jobs)?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:02 PM
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Yup, you’ll “continuously go on dates” with men, but you’re not gonna get them to commit, just like you’ve already admitted here by saying you’re still dating instead of being exclusive. But you’re right, you dropped this Queen 👑 I’ll check back here in 20 years to see all the posts you’re making about how there’s no good men anymore!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:01 PM
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Fuck it, I’ll even grant that it’s 5% and not 1%. Does that even factor in negotiations? Theres so many factors that even a 5% difference is not enough to cry discrimination. I’m not even sure how you substantiate that the difference is BECAUSE of discrimination. What are your numbers controlling for? This isn’t debunking anything, you just gave a 5% value and instantly leaped to the assumption that it’s because “MUH WAGE GAP” instead of any other factor. That’s like me saying men are discrimina…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:58 PM
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I mean I don’t want her to be promiscuous (I’m not) but I never said anything about virgins. You just made that up. Just don’t be spoiled and entitled and show some gratitude. Behave like a lady and you’ll get a gentleman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:44 PM
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Again, relevance? Just go look at the top jobs held by women. It’s clerical, secretarial, and HR work (nursing is an exception to this). I guess that’s more stressful than driving a truck for 24 hours straight or building a house, or being a software engineer though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:43 PM
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I’ll just grant you all of those points that I didn’t respond to for now. You’re absolutely right on those; can you answer my questions now?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:41 PM
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That goes both ways
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:40 PM
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Again, what does it have to do with the topic at hand? Because your argument was that women are still fulfilling their traditional duty of being a mother, but that they were just waiting. The problem is, if you’re waiting, you have a clock on how much children you have. This leads to less children being produced and is the cause of low birth rates. Sure, I can agree that that would be a problem. I think where we might differ is how often that is occurring in reality. And again, when it comes to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:33 PM
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You ever heard of the term “statistical noise” or “margin of error”? No, I’m not going to give you a single cent because I don’t owe you anything. I understand you’re trying to argue the point that 1% is a substantial margin, but you’re misunderstanding my point. It’s not to say women should be paid 1% less than men because they’re women, the point is that it’s statistically irrelevant because we can reasonably assume that it’s just an imperfection in the way statistics are measured.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:56 PM
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What does that have to do with what I said? Most women or men aren’t part of the judicial system.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:53 PM
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Okay fuck it, let’s dive into it. What are “manosphere” beliefs”? Be specific. What does “being kind and gentle” mean? Be specific as well here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:52 PM
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We might be using different definitions. Infrastructure probably isn’t the best word to use, but I’m referring to things like mechanics, electricians, construction workers, truck drivers, IT professions (things like software engineers, sys admins, network admins, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:50 PM
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I didn’t say anyone was the prize. I’m saying you need to match the effort the other person is putting into the relationship. You “existing” isn’t effort, sorry to break it to you. I don’t give a fuck about who’s mitochondria I got in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:22 PM
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But they very much are, they are just waiting to have them. Plus, it's a moot point, we're specifically talking about couples with children. Statistically, child free couples are already more egalitarian than their counter parts and the chore gap is much less pronounced. They’re not. Birth rates have fallen below replacement levels. Yes, they’re waiting, about 10 more years than they used to to be exact. They’re waiting until about 30, guess what happens? A higher maternal age, which means women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:21 PM
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They make literally one cent less than men. One fucking penny, stop trying to pretend like that’s significant. I’m not sure how we’re still spreading the wage gap myth in 2025. I think they don’t want them because we’ve spent decades trying to get them into these fields and offered them incentive after incentive and they still hardly get into those fields. They are still by and large doing the exact same jobs they did 100 years ago, except HR is swapped out with farm work now. No, most women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:11 PM
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30% is a pretty big fuckin disparity don’t you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:07 PM
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Lmfao so you just exist and that’s “courting” for you? Literally just existing and having a guy take you out on a date and paying for your meal is “emotional labor”? Ironically, it’s this attitude that men have to deal with that is a major source of our emotional labor. No, you aren’t the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:05 PM
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They don’t because we can just look at statistics for this. About 70% say it’s important for a man to financially provide, only about 30% say so for women. As you said, there’s also no obligation to “create a family” either, so that’s just agreeing with my point that there isn’t a duty to be a mother today, which would be the equivalent of a man financially providing besides also financially providing (that’s the whole point of the man providing historically). https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:04 PM
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They don’t work the same jobs. I’m sure there’s overlap, but men tend to work infrastructure jobs and such whereas women do more clerical/secretary/HR/teaching/daycare work, nursing is a notable exception though. Even if it were true that they mostly worked same jobs, it would still be the case that the majority of people in high stress jobs are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:00 PM
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I’m not doubting that there’s more men, but even by your statistics it’s not a huge difference (27% vs 34%). It also doesn’t break this down by age. I think it’s reasonable to expect that dating apps are much more commonly used amongst people in their 20s-30s instead of older people; I might have missed it, but I didn’t see any numbers there to reflect that. And while this is anecdotal, the same issue still manifests itself online OFF of dating apps, like Instagram, Snapchat, etc. Most girls DM’…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:45 PM
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Can I just say I fucking love mud slinging posts like this this shit is hilarious I hope mods always let this stuff go through
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:11 PM
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Most women meet these standards too. Hell, even I’m probably “overweight or obese” and I lift 3x a week and squat 405. It’s hard to use those metrics on individuals. It’s great to measure society, not so much individual people. And it’s one thing for guys to “regularly watch porn”, it’s another for it to be an addiction. I don’t have a problem with the standard, but a lot of the times they’ll stop when they fit into a relationship, but I will concede it’s a big fucking problem and it probably ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:10 PM
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Well that’s the problem. Like you said, you wouldn’t have swiped on your ex or husband. This wouldn’t be a problem if online dating (or even online in general like IG, facebook, etc) weren’t one of the most popular methods for young people to date. No one goes out in real life anymore. Hell, I don’t even see anyone near my age at the store or bars (I’m 25). Online and on dating apps, they do have that standard. It’s stupid, and they aren’t successful, but they have it. The problem is the “soluti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:03 PM
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If you’re advocating for traditionalism for both genders, I have zero problem with that. I just have a problem when people advocate it for one but not the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:59 PM
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Either you live in a fucked area or you’re not being very honest with this list. Most people aren’t drug addled obese porn addicts or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:56 PM
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What even are your standards then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:38 PM
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Okay, what “courting” are you guys doing for us? What’s the equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:37 PM
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Good lord we’re not even in a relationship with you and we still have to do emotional labor with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:36 PM
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It’s important because strong marriages and healthy families are the backbone of society. People in healthy marriages do much better in almost every domain of life. Why would we not try to create more healthy marriages? The solution to me is not to avoid marriage because many are bad, it’s to start creating healthy marriages. That comes with establishing accountability for people. Why would we not push for things that make society better?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:35 PM
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This just doesn’t hold up to me. If this were the case, we’d see more men getting swipes instead of a small % hogging almost all of the likes. I’d have to double check the stats to confirm that, but I believe it’s true. You’d expect to see a more even distribution, obviously some people are just insanely overweight or something and they can be excluded though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:27 PM
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My only problem is when that becomes “I’m not going to date anyone below a 10”. I don’t mind that it takes time for women to be attracted to someone over time, it’s just that especially with dating being done online, people below that threshold get automatically excluded now. Previously it wasn’t as big a deal. We’d all meet in person, and you’d eventually learn about the person and naturally become attracted because you were both in each others presence. Now you just swipe and never see that pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:24 PM
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But women today aren’t really having children, so I’m not sure why it’s brought up. We’re literally below replacement levels, and we’ve had multiple surveys that say women are the ones who don’t want children while men do. I agree it would be equivalent were that the case, but women aren’t having children, and when they do, they’re outsourcing the raising to daycares or school. Go ask the average person if a man has a duty to provide for their family. They’ll say yes. Ask the average person if a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:13 PM
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Yup, this never gets talked about. I’ve called them out on this multiple times and they just say “well it shouldn’t matter as long as we’re working the same hours” as if every 8 hours is the same. If someone had to bust their ass for years grinding certs/skills/experience, and then take a high stress high paying job, that is not equivalent to someone taking on an HR or incident management job even if they both work 8 hours. Also, men still do more hours worth of work even if we add in housework/…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:09 PM
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Well yeah, you want the wealth gap to close, but you don’t want the type of job to change, lol. Women want an HR job to make as much as a stressful software engineer job, but women on average don’t want to do the actual software engineer job. Men make more BECAUSE they’re willing to take on a higher stress/higher responsibility job. When you actually control for all variables (same job, hours, etc) they make about the same (I believe women technically make 1 cent less so I guess there’s still ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:01 PM
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I don’t mind paying for dates but I’m only a gentleman for women who behave like ladies, not you. You either become less entitled and start behaving like a lady, or get to swiping that card lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:58 PM
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Yeah that’s valid I just get defensive sometimes because some people start going crazy about people with a lot of kids, my bad G stay safe out there
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:23 PM
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Is that wrong or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:08 PM
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Im not the one crying when other people don’t pay for my shit, time for you to start making some money welcome to equality
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:07 PM
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“waah men expect me to be responsible and not useless waaah” grow up you’re a grown adult, we’re not supposed to be your father paying for all your shit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:40 PM
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I’m a Christian. The hierarchy as my previous pastor described it is God > husband > wife > children. This is the case regardless of who the breadwinner is, and this is the foundation of a traditional relationship in the west. Even if she was the one who made the money and the husband was sick and couldn’t No, I wouldn’t do it, and I’m not really interested in dating non traditional women. These men probably aren’t traditional men. Most probably aren’t these days, so it’s reasonable for them to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:36 PM
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It’s not a gotcha, it’s an explanation of what your belief actually entails. Many “traditional” women begin to scoff the second they realize that submitting to the husbands authority was the tradeoff for him having all of the responsibility. There’s some decisions that are smaller you guys can agree on like what bedroom the kids should be using, stuff like that, but the major decisions, the man had the final say. In practice, this might mean your man getting a great job in an entirely different …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:36 PM
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Well if you want a gentleman you best act like a lady. That means no attitude, no entitled feelings, no promiscuity or dating multiple guys at once, showing gratitude (even for things that are expected or “the bare minimum”), behaving virtuously and so on. It also means he has the final say. You want a leader/traditional man, that’s fine, but don’t quibble with him when he makes a decision you disagree with even if you’re right. You can talk about it and advise him, but ultimately he’s the leade…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:13 PM
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It’s really not as big of a problem as it seems. Look for someone with shared core values, and don’t sleep with them until you’re in love, or at the very least exclusive and boyfriend/girlfriend. Not necessarily easy in this day and age but it’s simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:09 PM
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Wait so are men supposed to provide then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:57 PM
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I typed entailment, not entitlement. And what does this even have to do with my argument? If most men can’t support a family, then that would logically be true that most women couldn’t either. From there it follows it’s better for the two to be together as one unit without involving others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:31 PM
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It's very unlikely that someone would endure bad company just to get a free meal. Bro what? Yes they do, this happens all the time. Happens with free drinks at a bar too, almost all of the women I know in my life have done it. It’s at least as common as men using women for sex and lying and saying they’ll commit. Women can get dinner without a man, but a man can't get sex without a woman, men have more of an incentive to tolerate a bullshit date to get sex than women do to get a burger. What? Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:07 PM
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No, i'm implying it's easier for men not to get lied to and used and discarded by someone who just wanted sex from them. And I’m implying that men can get lied to and used and discarded by someone who just wanted dinner from them. If you think that protecting yourself from having your time wasted by users is being entitled and spoiled, I don't know what to tell you. It's not. Making sure the man actually invests something in you to keep him from using you is a very valid strategy. By definition …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:11 PM
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Are you serious? I’m not gonna sit here and try to explain to you how dating rituals came to be when it comes to how humans interact with one another. That was your parents job. I already know why it exists, I was asking you so I could get you to admit they’re actually offering nothing at all. I just wanted you to say it yourself since you would have said “nuh uh!” If I said it. Thankfully, you did just that in your next paragraph! Not so thankfully, I’m sure you’ll shift the goalposts in your n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:05 PM
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Are you trying to imply it’s easier for men to get dates or something? Lmfao. This would only be true if most guys actually had the option of seeing many women, and most don’t. I’m gonna ask you again, what is the woman supposed to provide that’s equivalent? Her just existing is not an answer. No, she is not “the prize”. No one wants to date some obnoxious spoiled entitled girl who thinks she deserves the world for simply existing. You have to actually be somebody worth marrying if you want a gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:21 PM
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I’m not sure this is a great long term solution for women to say “just be single” to one another if you can’t meet some unicorn guy. They still want relationships, it’s just a lot easier to put it on the back burner and wait for some top 5% dude when you’re in your early 20s and have 20 guys in your DM’s every day. It’s really easy to just say “well someone amazing will probably come along and if not, I’ll just be single” when you haven’t actually had to face the consequences of what that means.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:14 PM
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Wait, if the man is supposed to buy on the first date, what is the woman supposed to do that’s equivalent, ESPECIALLY if she’s financially independent? Why does that idea that men should pay even exist in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:04 PM
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Then what does the woman provide in turn? What’s the equivalent to this? I expect your answer is gonna be some variation of “hehe u should do it to just be nice” as if it’s not entirely selfish behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:02 PM
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Do you understand the entailment of “most men didn’t reproduce while most women did”? Like, do you know that means women just had sex with a small number of men, and that they were one women amongst 5 others? Does that really sound good to you as a woman to be with a guy with 4 other women with 4 other kids that aren’t yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:00 PM
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Because a society that’s hedonistic and individualistic and only cares for their own selfish needs is a worse society and makes things worse for everyone else? We have duties and responsibilities to one another. I’d even argue blind hedonism is NOT in your favor. It’s shallow and meaningless, and is not a long term solution to happiness. We don’t know much about meaning, but we do know it’s found in responsibility and duty to one another, and in difficult tasks that end up paying off.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 12:13 AM
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Maybe to some extent, but I don’t think it’s nearly to the same degree as when you’ve had many partners. I believe some of the most sexually satisfied and happy relationships are virgins that got married, I’d have to look more into the study though to be sure. This is getting kind of into the weeds, but you can also just go into people’s dopamine tolerances and such. You don’t crave a better high when you haven’t had one, you crave a better high when you’ve done them over and over, nothing start…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:03 PM
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I know you said most and not all so I’m not saying you’re against this, just adding a perspective . I’m personally against it because I think promiscuity is bad for both men and women. For one, there’s all of the physical problems to it (increased STD’s, more unwanted pregnancies, etc), and there’s also the more emotional or even moral problems to it. Many people end up feeling used and unwanted when they do. It also creates a comparison problem. Someone’s who’s had 20 different partners could m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 09:07 PM
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If that’s something you apply equally to both genders then I don’t really care and we can probably agree (maybe some minor differences in certain areas). My main contention is that I think this is something people are a lot more comfortable calling out in men than women, it’s a big double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:21 PM
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That’s my point. There’s just as much a “loser women” epidemic as there is a “loser male” epidemic so I’m not sure how this doesn’t cancel out your point. There’s plenty of women who have nothing going for them except a dead end job (if one at all), doomscroll on tik tok for 8 hours, don’t care for themselves, etc. People seem a lot more willing to call out the men than the women for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:39 PM
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Can’t you see how vague these are? Can you give me some examples? And can’t you see how this applies to many, many women too today?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:23 PM
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What makes a man a loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:50 PM
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I’ve never said that CARE’s fields were male dominated, not sure why you brought that up. A lot of studies have been done about women in tech in particular - because women do choose CS and other engineering degrees (and are frequently treated pretty poorly in those programs, though more by students than instructors, though instructors, too). But also why women end up leaving those careers - which isn't that they don't enjoy the work, but that they eventually burn out from their treatment by coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:38 PM
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That’s the same with men? There’s a reason there aren’t many if any books written by peasants..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:33 PM
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And how many women are in these fields compared to men? No one’s saying there aren’t outliers, but there’s a reason we use the term “outlier”. We’ve literally created so many programs to get women into these fields and women still don’t choose them! If you look at the top 10 most popular jobs, they’re choosing damn near the same jobs they did 100 years ago. They’re doing nursing, clerical work, secretarial work, teachers, daycare workers, and they do HR work instead of farm work now. This isn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 03:58 PM
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You’re misunderstanding me, that’s my entire position. I think we BOTH need one another, I’ve also said this in another comment. I’m not sure how you got “we don’t need women” from me saying “we need men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 03:53 PM
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Lmfao I’ve already got 6 years under my belt, CCNA, Sec +, and a secret clearance. Im feeling pretty good about my career path thank you. Been working in IT since 19.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 03:51 PM
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Even if I wasn’t (currently pursuing networking as a career path but we’ll see how things go at my current company), what does that have to do with what I said? Not every man goes into hvac, construction, IT, etc, but almost every single person who DOES work there is a man. But yeah you’re right, men were just erasing the history of powerful women building houses and driving trucks and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 03:03 AM
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What does that have to do with what I said? Women aren’t the ones doing that work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 02:57 AM
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Are you assuming that I DON’T think we need women or something? I think both men and women need each other but for some reason people here have a hard time accepting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 02:56 AM
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You have a relationship with your boss, your teacher, even your friends. It exists completely independent of dating. You can love your coworker or dislike your teacher and it would still be defined as a relationship. Thanks for proving my point that she wasn’t just talking about relationships? Abbess came from a noble and wealthy family and was educated through the church. The average woman would only be allowed to be a servant. Men could become priests regardless of family status. As did the va…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 02:55 AM
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Go read more. Women have always been educated throughout history, go look at Abbess Hildegard of Bingen for instance. No, Ada fucking Lovelace isn’t doing what programmers are doing today. Yes, I’m already aware of who they all are. The majority of it is just feminist propaganda where they vastly overstate what these people did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 02:45 AM
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Do you need a house, food on your table, and heating? Who built the house, harvested your food, and drove the trucks to deliver the food? Did you seriously not once when typing your comment even consider this? Not once?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:31 PM
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She wasn’t talking about that. She literally included multiple categories of men there: Men she loves, dislikes, likes. That implies there ISNT A RELATIONSHIP QUALIFIER. Why is basic reading comprehension so hard for this subreddit? Also women have always been able to make contributions, lmao. They always worked, got educated, etc literally in the Middle Ages. We have women like Abbess Hildegard of Bingen who was sainted for her work on medicine/theology/music/etc. We literally had queens! Who i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:30 PM
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This is the funniest shit that I have ever read. What is the one thing a women needs to ensure she becomes pregnant?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:27 PM
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I didn’t say they did. Just don’t say you don’t need men because you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:38 PM
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I don’t get into relationships with these women, neither do men. They’re the same ones who post “men ain’t shit” 24/7 online. I just don’t want other women agreeing with their dumb BS. I absolutely will scold these types of women like they’re children because clearly they didn’t have a father to do it for them. I will absolutely share their entitled, obnoxious behavior because I don’t want other people to start behaving like that and it hasn’t been called out enough. And yes, I will be patronizi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:17 PM
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Yes you goober, please do not bring out random embellished feminist propaganda garbage. The vast majority of programmers are men and they’re who programmed the vast majority of the technology you use today, including this website.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:12 PM
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It’s bad the same way it can be bad to give any person what they want, it just depends. Right now, I think there’s a not insignificant portion of women who feel they have no duties or responsibilities to their men while demanding their men do. It’s not good to enable poor behavior like that. It creates a worse, more selfish society which isn’t good for anyone. We are all better when we recognize our need for one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:11 PM
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She says, on a website programmed by men on a device created by men inside a house created by men on the internet created by men with the a/c or heater on created by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:08 PM
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Most men don’t abuse or murder anyone, and men generally put more hours into work (adding both paid work and domestic work/childcare) than women do. This ranges from 3-15 hours more that men work depending on if they’re the sole or primary breadwinner, and that constitutes 55% of relationships. What “outlier” are you looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:40 PM
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It doesn’t show that “they must provide”, but it does show they’re not willing to provide but are willing to accept being provided for. This is a double standard, I don’t see how we get around that unless the women is providing something else to make up for it. What we DO know is most people say it’s important for a man to provide. That’s what I use to prove that they actually do want a man to provide, they just don’t always get that these days. Pew states around 76% of people think it’s importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:14 PM
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Yes, women do more housework. That’s not a concession, I’ve always had that view. What I am saying is that men do more work OUTSIDE THE HOME to make up the difference. Men work longer hours on average. Address this instead of ignoring it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:27 PM
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Lmfao what a great way to victim blame. “I know our husbands are doing more but really it’s their fault for accepting less”. The lack of accountability is astounding. Actually I’m just going to take a page out of the feminist playbook and say that “those women are financially abusing their men by forcing them into traditional patriarchal norms and they’re using them as modern day slaves and this is oppression and that’s bad”. Why are you upholding oppression against men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:46 PM
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It’s literally the same link you referred to “in your other comment” as you already said to me, but I’ll relink it for you since I’m not petty. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/ What statistic did I say that was false? Be specific, point to where in the study it shows I’m wrong, and if you can’t find it, then I’d like you to answer my question instead of stalling and obfuscating because you know I’m ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:07 PM
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I have no idea why I need to "go ask women" about anything. I am a fucking woman and my point wasn't about how much money women like, it's about OP's specific claims wrt what men in the current dating poolhave been "taught." Lmfao so do you think that most women DON’T care about a guy making the same or more money than them? If you bothered reading instead of coming in hot to accuse me of being a "lying dude" you'd already fucking know that I already provided the Pew link myself in a completely …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:29 PM
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Omfg stop ignoring what I say. If you add up the total hours spent in work, childcare, and housework, they end up being about the same. Yes, women do more housework, but men work more hours than women. Stop ignoring this, I’ve told you like three times already.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:09 PM
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Dude just stop lying. The majority of women do not date men unless they make AT LEAST the same, but usually more money than them. The vast majority of people say it’s important for a man to be a provider, but they don’t say so for women. This has been studied time and time again, I’m personally using Pew as my source and I’m on mobile right now but I can give the links if you want. Even in “egalitarian” relationships, the man STILL makes more money. Go ask any woman here about this. They’ll all …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:02 PM
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Again, stop saying “24/7” when the hours are damn near the same in terms of the work they put in. Also, where do you get this idea that the average husband just hates their wife or something? Women themselves do the majority (70-80%!) of consumer spending! They’re literally the ones going out and buying things when the husband is the primary income earner. How in the hell could they do this if husbands were just hoarding all the money for themselves? Do you think the average husband just despise…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:13 PM
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How in the hell would that not be equivalent when they work similar total hours per week? Plus, they don’t have to deal with the possibility of getting fired. You can have bad days without having to worry about your boss firing you, the woman doesn’t have to deal with that as their husband will be far more forgiving than a boss will towards him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:06 PM
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Know what? Link me your source and I’ll go through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 01:31 PM
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So I think the confusion here is when I say “didn’t work”, I’m referring to mostly paid work. It heavily depends on the time period, but I’m not saying they didn’t actually do work. It’s actually a point that I often make that they assisted their husbands in their trade like you mentioned (things like helping around the forge if they were a blacksmith, occasionally they made baskets, and so on, ale brewers in the Middle Ages, widows especially would take over for their husbands business, or when…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 01:29 PM
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Huh? I’ve never said these men don’t want to date. I think they do and any of those guys who say they don’t is just coping. Of course women consider it “toxic” to say they have duties and responsibilities. It’s not in their short term interests. I do think long term it’s much better for both parties to establish they have obligations to one another, and to be virtuous though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:10 AM
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No, the majority of women were not participating in the workforce. I actually specifically said that women COULD work, I just said that they didn’t (meaning not in any significant number; most pre WW2 numbers have them around 20-30% of the workforce). I’d ask you how you think women have more financial stress, less social support, childcare issues, and so on. Now while I’m aware the Yale meta analysis doesn’t establish a cause, that wasn’t my point. The point was to show a clear like where women…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:07 AM
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I’m referring to paid work. No, it isn’t true that most women did paid work. Go look at the statistics in the early 1900s. Only around 20-30% of women worked. In WW2 this jumped for obvious reasons, but then the rates fell back down as the war ended. I’m not denying that women did assistant work on farms, usually helping their husbands (even to my understanding, they’d help their husbands around the forge if they were a blacksmith and so on), I’m denying that they did paid work in any significan…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:58 AM
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This myth needs to die out. Yes, it’s true that women do more housework, but men do enough paid work that it evens out the difference. I believe women do 1 more hour per week of labor than men (and I even have my qualms with Pew about how they gather this data) out of 40-50 hours. That’s not statistically significant. It has nothing to do with them doing more labor than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:42 AM
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What legal barriers?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:51 PM
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I just want to make sure I’m representing you correctly before I continue. So while technically there weren’t legal barriers preventing women from working, there was a lot of social pressure and discrimination that hindered them from working, and so that, in practice, forced them into being married women that gave children (what I would consider traditional)? Not sure if I buy it yet but I want to make sure I’m representing your position accurately first.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:43 PM
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Oh it’s growing, but to assume that it doesn’t have an immense amount of backlash to it is just false. The UK literally made a fake documentary about it (Adolescence) and based policy off said fake documentary. It’s really only the past couple of years that it’s taken steam, and that’s a backlash to decades of men dealing with women doing the same to men. I don’t expect women to cheer us on when we tell them that they also have duties and responsibilities. Why would they? I do think eventually t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:15 PM
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That wasn’t my assertion. Obviously exceptions, but for most people this isn’t the case. When I say what I’m about to say, keep in mind that this is just descriptive, I’m not prescribing anything yet, before anyone tries to say I’m advocating we forcibly chain women to stoves or anything like that. We have to first note that women have always historically been able to work, and historically, they didn’t, so it couldn’t be that they just “weren’t allowed and then they were freed from their shackl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:00 PM
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So how were those women forced into that role? They were allowed to work and be single, contrary to popular belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:30 PM
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Not sure why you commented this. The trends show that even if women are supposedly unhappy…they’re still willinglyrejecting trad life en masse. Trad life is not the answer Can people make decisions that are bad and not realize they’re bad? Also, I’ve already made the case on why they “willingly” reject it. Many (not all, of course), “willingly” reject it because they’d struggle financially due to the society we’re in. When they do have the ability though, women tend to take it. You’ll see this f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:09 PM
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I agree that some men are absolutely terrible at articulating their opinions, and they have absolutely never thought about their core values and virtues, and they then resort to mudslinging and whining about chad. My contention is that people get mad when men do it, but they’re completely fine with and sometimes cheer it on when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:54 PM
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Men are doing that now. There’s a lot of backlash from women now, they just say they’re “toxic incel misogynist red pillers”. We are doing that. It’s my hope that men will demand better of their women instead of blindly dating any woman that looks their way. Women may not like it, but turnabout is fair play. They’re demanding highly of men these days. That’s fine, but both of us can do that, and I want to help men realize that. For what it’s worth, my general prescription to both men and women i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:40 PM
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Were women forced into being traditional wives 100 years ago? Yes it’s relevant and I’ll get to the point eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:38 PM
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Oh I’m well aware of Simone’s degenerate behavior. The fact that she’s such a big figure amongst 2nd wave feminists is one of my problems. Even if we want to say she wasn’t mainstream, she still got her result. Women have zero choice now to stay at home with their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:36 PM
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Right you’re just not gonna answer and cry misogyny instead the second someone says that maybe women should take accountability for some things. I’m sure you’d NEVER tell a fat guy he needs to hit the gym if he wants to get a relationship. My overarching point is in line with OP’s post. You’re entirely uncomfortable with any criticism of women, you’ve proven that point here when you refuse to answer whether or not someone who’s obese should go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:18 PM
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Have you ever heard of the “paradox of female happiness”, a meta analysis done by Yale that found that women’s happiness was inversely correlated with their higher presence in the workforce? Women are actually less happy now. I’m not sure that the idea that “traditional living was evil and terrible” is a good message to push. Now, women actually HAVE to work now. They’ve always been able to work, they just didn’t choose to until CIA/feminist propaganda in the 70s (Gloria Steinem worked with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:15 PM
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I read it like 5 times. Should obese women go to the gym or not? I don’t care if they’ve “tried it before”. I’m just asking if they should..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:04 PM
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Sooo… obese women shouldn’t go to the gym?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:57 PM
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Women are more obese than men at every age bracket, and are 2x as likely as men to be obese. Time for yall to hit the gym lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:38 PM
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What guys want is for women to start accepting that they have duties and responsibilities in a relationship too beyond “teehee I just do what makes me feel good”. Everyone’s perfectly fine with saying a guy needs to care for himself, be ambitious, goal oriented, not be a loser, be “emotionally intelligent”, so on and so forth, which if you actually examine it it just means to pursuit a high paying career, and comfort her every time she wants to complain about work. Funnily enough, I’m fine with …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:36 PM
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How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast this morning?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:50 AM
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So my problem is just about the degree to which many women today say their life is at risk from men. Us men are actually far more likely to be a victim of violence, but even I don’t have the hesitation around other men that many women today have. There’s naturally a bit of hesitation anyone can have towards any stranger depending on the environment, but some people vastly overstate this. I think we can at least agree on that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:26 AM
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Stop conflating a description with a prescription. It’s descriptively true that men COULD enslave women, just like we see in the Middle East. That is not a prescriptive claim, he’s not saying we ought to do that. I am not sure why people always confuse an “is” with an “ought”. The idea is that it’s descriptively true that men could enslave women, and since that’s true, women rely on men for their ability to not be enslaved. Prescriptively, we ought not enslave women because that would be evil. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:34 AM
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Wait are you implying that many first and second wave feminists weren’t sexual deviants? There’s a big reason abortion and birth control were and still are huge amongst feminists, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:45 PM
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You brought up grandmothers in the original post. To be clear, I blame any person who pushed second wave feminist ideals for the society we’re in, not just grandma.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:43 PM
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I mean we can all just say the same towards women, that they tend not to have any empathy towards men. For example, it’s very easy for society to say a man’s duties and responsibilities are to protect and provide. Now what does society say a woman’s are in this day and age? You probably can’t answer it, or it’ll be some variation of “whatever they like”. You don’t know what it’s like to actually have duties, and to face shame and accountability for not fulfilling those duties. You guys get to ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:27 PM
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I don’t disagree with you, but we absolutely have to analyze how we raised a bunch of coomers to see where we went wrong so we can see how to fix it. In my opinion, this means a return to virtue, and to re-integrate social duties and responsibilities for men and women to be virtuous, and to shame bad and hedonistic behaviors instead of just saying “haha it’s their own choice and we should be fine with and respect that!” like we did in the 70s with promiscuity. I think we all have duties and resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:57 PM
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So just so I don’t misrepresent your argument, you’re essentially saying that personal choice is morally good, and that preventing people from making choices is bad in this context, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:24 AM
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What makes traditional gender roles bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 02:12 AM
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I’m not sure why it’s bad to want someone that depends on you. That’s literally the point of a relationship, you both depend on one another. Even if you both work, you still depend on one another. I’m not sure why you’re acting like this is some red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 02:10 AM
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Is this really that hard to tell where I’m getting at? Our grandparents and parents raised us without virtue, as the feminist sexual revolution that said it’s okay to be promiscuous and to engage in degenerate behavior. Now we have people raised with no virtue, and we’re surprised we have a bunch of gooners and destructive behaviors in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:56 PM
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Uhuh and if they don’t do their job properly that would be in part their fault, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 10:51 PM
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Do parents tend to pass on their virtues or lack thereof to their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:31 PM
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Well I just want to understand specifically as it relates to this post. I understand the metaphor, I’m trying to understand the relevance to the post because it’s hard for me to gleam. I just want to understand what you’re saying so I don’t misrepresent you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:31 PM
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That was a result of second wave feminism and the sexual revolution. Their grandmothers were the ones that started this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:23 PM
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What “human rights” are men taking away? What even is a right in your view, and where do they come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:05 PM
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Be specific about “having your cake and eating it too”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:01 PM
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Who said that? I’m just drawing from scripture. It literally says so in Ephesians, and Christ constantly refers to himself as the groom, and the church as the bride. “For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 05:55 PM
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He was not crucified by the church. I am not sure where you are getting this from. The meaning of “church” here is his apostles. For the third time, when did he submit to the apostles?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:49 PM
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I want you to answer my question actually. Did Christ submit to the authority of the CHURCH?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:39 PM
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How about you answer my question instead of answering it with a question? Did Christ submit to the Church’s authority or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:29 PM
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No, it does not say the husband submits to the wife. I’ve not seen that in any translation. I think that’s something a lot of Christians falsely spread around because it sounds nicer, but it’s not true. The hierarchy is God > Husband > Wife. Yes, as men we’re called to serve and sacrifice our lives for our wives in the same way that Christ did for the church, but that is not submission or obedience to the church. The church does not tell Christ what to do, nor does it tell Christ to follow its l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:14 PM
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This is not true in western Christian societies. Even arranged marriages required consent, and that’s due to the church heavily emphasizing that marriage must be consensual, as marriage is symbolic of the relationship between Christ and the church. I’ll concede that there’s certainly a ton of social pressure around that though. That said, this existed for BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, so you cannot say this was something that uniquely oppressed women. That said, the vast, vast majority of marriages were n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:58 PM
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Because “made to penetrate” isn’t classified as rape in most statistics, so it wouldn’t show up here. Meaning, if a woman puts a gun to a man’s head, climbing top of him, and forces him to penetrate her, that doesn’t get tracked. The rates have actually been upwards of 50/50 in a 12 month period if we look at CDC statistics and actually count “made to penetrate” as rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:51 PM
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Then what did this verse right before it mean, if not for wives to submit to their husbands authority as leaders of the family? “ Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.” Now I agree that a husband is to serve his wife and to sacrifice; meaning they…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:45 PM
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