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They aren't even clear pictures. It's a terrible chart. What comment section are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 01:44 AM
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That doesn't say anything about the claim that was made!!! That women beat their men down and then get mad about them being beaten down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:53 PM
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I know lots of guys disagree with that chart. There is so much variance just within the number 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:48 PM
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That scale is stupid and terribly inconsistent. Maybe if you had shown me that marquadt mask or whatever of facial symmetry we could be getting somewhere. Like I said before you are acting like that scale was carved in stone like the ten commandments.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 06:21 PM
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No I think the hottest person currently in the world should be the standard for a 10. Like grading on a scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 05:01 PM
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But I think everyone in the world is less healthy than they used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 04:52 PM
1

I never said anything about specific environments. You certainly can so that if you wish. I've heard things like "a California 6 is a Midwest 9" but that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about measuring against the whole world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 04:46 PM
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The scale is based on ranking people against each other...something's market value is based on what's in the market. You're acting like this scale is written in stone somewhere. What people look like has changed throughout generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:40 PM
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SMV is literally based on the MARKET so it is subjective. You can only rate people by judging them against one another. For all we know, people used to all be super ugly so really we're all 7s+. You don't get to just decide what you think average should be. Well you can but doesn't matter. What matters is what average is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:28 PM
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That's why I'll have children
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:45 PM
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No I want a wife and a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:18 PM
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Unless of course you've agreed to an arrangement beforehand and the other person is happy to do the dishes Calm down
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:07 PM
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You said it was covert communication which it clearly is not though. She specified exactly what she meant. So you're just ignoring what she wrote completely and going off your own idea of what women want? Did you even read what she wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:01 PM
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That's not exactly what the claim was. Thanks for the example from the bible btw
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 06:49 PM
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That's cool that she wants to do that I guess. Damn I need a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 06:17 PM
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Unless of course you've agreed to an arrangement beforehand and the other person is happy to do the dishes, it's unfair because it's a mess that only you caused and yet you expect them to clean up. Unlike other types of messes which are usually a joint accumulative effort, this one is just you. You made 100% of the mess and do 0% of the work to clean it and you expect that service for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 06:16 PM
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If you are rating women by order of attractiveness, the average is still an overweight woman. Yes the average woman is not perfectly attractive!!! Being a healthy bmi nowadays puts a girl at like an automatic 6. At least in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:57 PM
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So she has nothing better to do than clean up after you? What a life
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:55 PM
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Yes. You should be able to put any type of dish away immediately. Personally idgaf but I see how easy it is and how unfair it is to leave it for someone else to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:54 PM
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The bible? What's an example in the bible? This is such a specific claim and no I don't know any examples of literary characters berating their husbands for ten years and then wishing he was a bad ass for the next ten years.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:52 PM
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Didn't read that that but Wikipedia just says he married her because she was hot and then stopped loving her once he realized how stupid she was.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:50 PM
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Me too :D
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:39 PM
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I'm guessing you won't reveal who this poster was?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:52 AM
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Why didn't they just SAY it to him explicitly before?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:49 AM
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This isn't true at all. Rinsing your glass and putting it in the washer takes almost no time at all. This isn't something that is immeasurably combined like the dirt on the floor or the dust on the counter. This is like not flushing to toilet after taking a dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:38 AM
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lol this is what you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISfdVnh4t9o
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:36 AM
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Are you being serious right now? You wouldn't just say it to your roommate that you were unhappy with their habits? I've lived with many different people and have had to adapt to many different standards of what people consider "the basics." It's just common etiquette. I just expect everyone to know how to communicate their needs like an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:32 AM
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Well just fucking say it if someone's standards of cleanliness don't exactly match with yours. In college I noticed that some people had way more stringent standards of cleanliness than I did. I totally didn't care about leaving dishes near the sink. Sorry that it takes a little time to change habits. But I did out of consideration -- after they asked me (repeatedly, sorry) to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:27 AM
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But living together beforehand is correlated with higher divorce rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:17 AM
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obligatory source request
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:13 AM
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It fucking jars me the amount of people who don't read the whole comment! jk upvoted it for the same sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:09 AM
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Everybody's is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:03 AM
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How would that evolve though? It's not like women who aged better would have less reproductive success. Men who were attracted to older women would have less reproductive success. I don't know any truly good looking men over 40 except celebrities. They age close to the same rate as women - women simply don't judge on looks as harshly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 08:55 AM
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In this situation it does make sense. Look at how you speak versus how blue pill women speak. Everything you say, you are convinced is 100% true about men/women. Women will respond to a similar question with "all women are different" or "that might apply to some women" etc. Men think with rules and systems, use generalizations, often to an extreme that is detrimental socially. Women look at details relevant to their lives or the situation at hand (also a detriment at times). To me that shows men…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 08:38 AM
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That is a...strange interpretation. Obviously women didn't evolve to grow old for reproductive safety. They would obviously just age no matter what, like men. It's men who had to evolve to find youth exclusively attractive. Men who found older women attractive wouldn't have had as much reproductive success. It's not like men actually age better. Women just haven't evolved the same way to find older men repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 04:42 AM
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But if she believes what TRP says, she is totally justified to believe that he is only just tolerating her presence in order to have consistent sex, or to worry that he'll stop loving her when she's older.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 04:15 AM
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Egh, the writing of the word "sigh" Why don't you explain your point. I can explain mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 04:11 AM
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No, average is the mean. It's the woman at the 50th percentile of attractiveness. Most men agree that the hottest women don't require much effort to get there. They simply have good genes and are young.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 04:09 AM
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No no. I mean those women who sleep with tons of guys in their 20s then expect an LTR when they see the party coming to an end. After 100 guys and little LTR experience, it will be tragic. That is unrealistic. So you're not talking about women who have racked up a high number by pursuing or having LTRs? Because I think that's how most of them accumulate their n counts. As for the orbiters, they would benefit from not committing so easily and treating their commitment with greater care. Why don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 04:07 AM
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How are they increasing the cost? Most sluts have lots of sex within their LTRs and they enjoy the other aspects of the LTR just like the man does.. Do you think men who were previously orbiters or in the friend zone shouldn't seek LTRs either? They used to give away their time and commitment for nothing. Seems like a bad deal for the girl who's now expected to have sex in exchange for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 12:40 AM
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Why shouldn't sluts seek LTRs? Edit- and isn't it obvious what they're thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 12:04 AM
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I read that to mean she can't accept that her boyfriend loves her because of sex and shows his love through sex. She says she can't help but still want him to love her the way she loves him. She never said she can't give him sex or meet his needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:12 PM
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They want men to respect them for their achievements and ability to handle adulthood. They want men to value their company. It was literally the next sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:08 PM
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Your interpretation of that comment adds a fucking lot from your own imagination. Did she say she had any problem having sex with her boyfriend or giving him what he needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:06 PM
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You can't look after others until you've taken care of yourself. You should always put yourself first. Like they tell you with those oxygen masks on airplanes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:53 PM
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I think it's just putting your own needs before everyone else's. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:48 PM
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Well this article wasn't an example of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:41 PM
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Steve Buscemi, Rob Schneider
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:40 PM
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Did you read the article? She is glad to know longer get attention for her beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:38 PM
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Men are much more black and white. The nature of red pill and blue pill on this sub shows exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:37 PM
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Well my solution is factoring in that most single mothers aren't able to financially support their children and therefore rely on the state. If you can't afford to support your child you shouldn't be allowed to have it. If you can as a single parent, go for it. Don't worry I am in fact enjoying the decline tipsily by my pool this fine Saturday.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:09 PM
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You win this round!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:05 PM
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Was my explanation incorrect? Are you really basing what average is on classroom grades? Average should be the 50th percentile.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:05 PM
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and expecting strong, real support from your partner when things are so shitty is an unreasonable expectation, IMO. I'm curious why you think this is unreasonable. Would you not be able to be supportive if the situations were reversed? But I also think you are being far too quick to absolve women of any responsibility for the situation and the feelings of their partners (women are wonderful, perhaps?). I fully realize that men are not making it easy at all on the women, but that doesn't mean the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:22 PM
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There are ugly actors but no ugly actresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:22 PM
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You're wrong. Women's entire value is placed on looks. An ugly woman is seen as worthless to the world. An ugly man can still be useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:05 PM
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That's surprising. If I believed TRP I'd think men had way less feelings than I thought they had before. All the talk about female emotions as if men have none.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:04 PM
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How can average be a 7? You mean because the scale is subjective? That's true SMV is based on the market so if the market is full of fatties then average is fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 05:40 PM
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Well I don't see in there that women get caught less. I think that would be difficult to prove. Interesting links though! Growing up I always heard much worse things about unfaithful women than unfaithful men. Men seem to be given the benefit of the doubt that "they can't help themselves" or "need variety." It would have been better for infidelity to become less acceptable for men to even things out but instead it seems it's just become more acceptable for women. I thought this link in one of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 05:38 PM
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Can you at least agree that women in general are judged more often and more harshly for their appearance?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 05:31 PM
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Because it's harder, you have to play nice far more so than you have to with men, disagreeing is less acceptable, gossip and drama are often had to be dealt with. Seems harder to trust girls too as you can't as easily tell how they actually feel about you and what will turn them against you. Being nice isn't hard. And it's not like any social situation comes without rules and expectations. And those associated with male friendships aren't any easier or more lax than those associated with female …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 05:29 PM
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I think the child contract is a cool idea. I don't think children should be allowed to be born if they aren't "signed for"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 05:17 PM
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Average is overweight though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 02:37 PM
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Who tf agrees to have a child in writing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 02:26 PM
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How can you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 02:23 PM
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What percent of cases do you think the woman can afford to just sit around?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 02:10 PM
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Selfishness is not a bad thing. Lots of people suffer from too little of it in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 02:09 PM
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What are the penalties for being an ugly man? It doesn't determine your whole value and you can compensate in ways that ugly women can't
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 01:55 PM
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The binary scale yo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 01:53 PM
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How could their preconceived notions change how they appear to others?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 01:50 PM
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How many kids do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:24 AM
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Girls don't really do that. Even when they are upset about it, they usually spin it to make it seem like she got what she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:21 AM
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What constitutes a good man to you? Should a man be executed for cheating on his wife with an unmarried woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:07 AM
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Why wouldn't a man leave his wife or cheat as she got older? Didn't you say in that other thread that 30yo women literally disgust you? What makes you think you could overcome that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:06 AM
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It depends on what you think are obvious differences. Almost all of the differences TRP talks about paint women in a distinctly inferior light.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 12:34 AM
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Oh yeah, it is to most girls. Money isn't unless it's accompanied by some kind of excitement - like fame.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 12:32 AM
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I think you missed his point
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 12:03 AM
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You clearly know that's not the part people think is misogynistic. Stop playing dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 12:02 AM
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This makes sense and is what I've always thought too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 11:18 PM
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Which is exactly when OP wants them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 11:18 PM
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Men complain way more about loneliness. There are way more Forever Alone men or men who are just loners. Women aren't desperate for friendship at all. You think she can't just find another orbiter?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 07:49 PM
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Is that why women act with such vitriol when their friendships get cut off, They really don't though. How old are your friends? This sounds like the stereotype of a high school girl. Not even real high school girls "fly off the handle" about that kind of stuff. Women are extremely socially adaptable. Whatever environment or circumstance, a woman is likely to make a social connection. It's much more common for a guy to get possessive about a female friend and incessantly call and text her after s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 07:19 PM
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It's just about the fame for those guys. They're not hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 07:10 PM
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Money does not sexually arouse women. Stability is attractive for the long-term (beta bucks). Muscles and instability (aka excitement) is what is really attractive, especially to younger women not thinking of settling down yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 06:46 PM
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What makes you think it's hard for women to find real friends? I think it's easier for them to do so than it is for men. There are many more complaints from men who are lonely than women. Men complain of loneliness much more than women do. Why would being of equal SMV diminish their ability to trust one another? Do you have trouble trusting people of equal SMV to you? I find most women to be generally more trusting than men. Of course you may meet a few with high school style friendships who "ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 06:38 PM
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Women compared to men tend to have way more friends, way more frequent social interactions and events, as well as more emotional support. It's much easier for women to make friends so they definitely have abundance in this area
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 05:02 PM
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Women don't have a natural abundance mentality with friendships. This is false. Women are more abundant than men in every way socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 04:17 PM
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Solution 1: don't live in California
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 03:05 PM
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Are you agreeing with that number as the worth of a SAHM's work?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 03:02 PM
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Only when men do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 02:59 PM
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Aborted if no one claims and signs financial responsibility for it in the first trimester
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 02:45 PM
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It's up to the couple in question to create a dynamic that they are both happy with and in which neither party will feel resentment for doing more or less work. They have to come up with an arrangement that is "equal" enough for them. Who's to say the wife couldn't also be pulling that kind of money -- but they both believe someone should stay home with the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 02:26 PM
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I think it is biology i just think men's preferences for women shorter and less intelligent than they are is just as real as women's preferences for men who are taller and smarter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 02:20 PM
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I suppose that makes sense. For me there were so many bigger hurdles I had to clear before getting into bed with someone, like simply learning how to talk in public, learning how to talk to strangers, and how to make friends. Having sex wasn't crossing the finish line but rather one more milestone on a long journey of improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 02:17 PM
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The height thing is way more strongly programmed than the income thing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 02:15 PM
0

You mean that one?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 01:40 AM
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"sons of birches" heh
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 01:01 AM
1

The problem comes from basing one's self esteem upon one aspect of themselves - whether or not they've had sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 12:36 AM
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Was it really just a magic fix? Could you try to explain how or why losing your virginity had such an impact on your whole life?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 12:34 AM
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I've read comments from guys here who actually believe in the global conspiracy by women to keep men in the dark. There are actually studies showing that women experience more arousal than men during the day but they are terrible at identifying when it is happening. Unlike men, they don't have anything as obvious as the boner and apparently when their body is saying "I want to have sex," their brain is not necessarily aware of it or saying the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 12:31 AM
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Show me who they are I will commence virgin shamer shaming immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 12:11 AM
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I don't think society gives enough of a fuck to "judge the shit" out of those guys
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 12:09 AM
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What don't women understand about men? Men are straight forward
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 12:00 AM
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Because you don't believe she couldn't get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 11:55 PM
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How do you know they don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 11:53 PM
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I don't deny that I wound up like that. But it's not like, say, my wife (or the wives of other guys I know who were in similar situations) were making it easy on them to recover. If nothing else, they are scared and anxious and self-conscious and stressed because of the circumstances (on top of the fact that their partner may be falling apart), so they aren't really in the best position to be supportive. What does supportive look like to you? How were these women making it harder on these men? T…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:25 PM
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I agree with you here. I have seen both sides of it, I'm just more personally experienced with what I described. Like you said there must be a balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:50 PM
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These men admitted, in fleeting moments of honest clarity, that they knew it was them who had changed. It was they who told me, "no matter what she does for me, I can't feel good about myself or our relationship." They were the ones who lost the confidence to even approach their wife for sex. And when she would defer to his decisions or ask his opinion on something, same way she always had, he'd say it was he himself who no longer felt worthy of being in such a position in the family. Later I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:58 PM
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She's is saying that it's hypocritical of pem to say that OP can't talk about what it's like to be a man because pem, a man, often talks extensively about what it's like to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:16 PM
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Fuck, I hope too many guys don't internalize this kind of stuff. I have seen multiple relationships (of my more traditional elderkin) in which it was the man who slowly tore them apart after losing his job. He stopped believing he had any value and started feeling he was worthless as a man. As loving as the wife continued to be toward him, he just literally couldn't believe she genuinely still loved him, because his upbringing had taught him that his masculinity (and the love of his wife and kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 06:48 PM
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losing 40k to drug addiction, putting their family in danger Losing his job seems tame in comparison to these. How were neither of these the last straw?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 06:24 PM
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Nah I see BP women saying they do like sex with nice betas. Sure no one wants a loser or a bum, man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 02:28 PM
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I think most blues actually say they prefer nice guys and betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 02:23 PM
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Stop doing that..
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 02:20 PM
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Yep, opportunistic vs defeatist
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 01:45 PM
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I know that. I guess he could be considered black pill then? But he would probably agree with most of TRP's observations about women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 01:43 PM
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Who is "we?" women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 01:38 PM
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Well you said first that you agree with everything from evo psych, and this time you said you believe some of the little factoids. Could you elaborate? Do you agree with everything they extrapolate from evo psych like that women are only truly fulfilled by being SAHMs or that men are mentally more evolved than women, for examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 01:37 PM
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Then what are the parts you think are untrue?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:04 AM
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They still have similar premises. They see and describe the world in the same way. Sluts only wanna fuck Chad blah blah. They just choose to approach said reality differently, one being defeatist while the other is opportunistic. One of the dumbest posts I've seen on here claimed that if Elliotr Rodgers were on PPD, he'd have blue pill flair. That's retarded. They believe the same basic things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 11:20 PM
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They actually usually turn out to be more alpha, like criminals and the like
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 10:54 PM
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Do you feel hate towards women? If not, then I wasn't directing it at you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 10:15 PM
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If you do it in reverse it's undone
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 09:57 PM
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I think they just don't need it as much
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 09:31 PM
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They have very similar premises
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 09:23 PM
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Pretty sure it's caused by them not acting like whores towards you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 09:19 PM
1

Interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:46 PM
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You actually said that 5 makes her a slut. Upvoted bc I hate downvoters
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:39 PM
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Would you say these girls were common? If I had heard about a girl in high school who slept with 20 guys I would've been surprised. Most were more sexually selective/conservative, only having sex with the 1 or 2 guys she dated throughout hs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:36 PM
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I agree. It's the definition from the sidebar btw
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:10 PM
1

Well I agree deception shouldn't be considered rape. Bonus question: What if you had sex with a woman and afterwards you found out she used to be a man? Would you accept that deception?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:09 PM
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I will have to find and educate those people as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:07 PM
1

Yeah you could try that but I doubt it would work. That's just what he says to his friends. I thought you were referring to the blatant and elaborate lies he tells girls like that he's an astronaut or a prince.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:07 PM
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CC, or Cock Carousel – The period of time in a woman's life where she successfully exploits her sexual value and maximizes her hypergamous tendencies by having sex with as many alphas as possible. Usually happens between ages 18 - 27. Often ends when the woman hits the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:57 PM
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Why would she bring it up to him only to lie to him about it when she could have said nothing at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:53 PM
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Maybe she was sleeping with other guys while sleeping with you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:49 PM
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Well like you said, you accept the everyday deception of women wearing makeup. I'd say that most people assume women wear makeup on a daily basis. A guy is an idiot to expect otherwise. Women don't have any reason to assume that a man is lying to her face about his profession or his income. Would you prefer that women didn't wear any makeup so you could judge them all on their natural face?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:46 PM
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Barney Stinson is just 100% dishonest. That's not deflection. Throw a tantrum if you want...talking about jobs is kinda par for the course
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:41 PM
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Cool, as long as no one explicitly lies about anything I say that's about equal to makeup (the car is a bit extreme). It's improving your attractiveness through appearance. But at some point she will ask you what you do and how you made your millions...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:36 PM
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the same people undergoing this deception are fighting against their counter-parties ability to engage in similar. So what do you think is the male equivalent of makeup in terms of deception? What is it you think men should be able to engage in?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:24 PM
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So you don't want women to wear makeup, you just accept that they do? Or you do want and enjoy that they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:22 PM
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No, it's not my definition at all. It's the definition on the sidebar. You are the one using your own definition. Saying that a girl who had a single casual hookup "rode the CC" is just inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:21 PM
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So you must also think the man who doesn't correct the woman's assumption about his Porsche is lying
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:15 PM
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I agree with you. I actually think most young girls really don't need makeup, but when literally everyone else is doing it, it makes the makeup-free faces look plainer. And yeah the cosmetic industry is massive and the marketing is ubiquitous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:05 PM
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I guess that's on her for making the assumption. Some people might say "lying by omission" but I'm not that much of a stickler. Would you say it's lying if a woman doesn't correct a man when he assumes she naturally looks that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 06:00 PM
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Please explain to me what the correct option is then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 05:57 PM
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No way. One hookup is one hookup. The whole idea of the cock carousel is that your going from cock to cock to cock. So ONE absolutely does not qualify. I'm calling it by the official TRP definition. Your obviously operating off your own definitions. I'm clearly right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 05:56 PM
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So renting a Porsche isn't lying either in your opinion? Renting a Porsche isn't lying. Saying you own it is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 05:51 PM
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How do you reason that? When a girl wears makeup, she's deceiving anyone who sees her face. When you take a girl on a date and she is wearing makeup, she is deceiving you. You want her to wear makeup, so you want her to deceive you. Where am I going wrong here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 05:49 PM
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CC, or Cock Carousel – The period of time in a woman's life where she successfully exploits her sexual value and maximizes her hypergamous tendencies by having sex with as many alphas as possible. Usually happens between ages 18 - 27. Often ends when the woman hits the wall. Two hookups do not a carousel make.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 05:39 PM
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Definitely agree. Too many people seem to conflate genuine attraction to a guy with "willing to have sex with him"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 05:08 PM
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I agree most of this is good advice for either partner
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:58 PM
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But shouldn't mothers be the primary caretakers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:55 PM
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You would've been irritated by being spoiled and supportive?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:50 PM
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44%
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:41 PM
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2 hookups does not constitute an entire carousel. More like a little cock hop.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:36 PM
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I have a couple religious female friends that were cute and genuine prudes at my college while everyone else was hooking up left and right. I would've known if these girls fucked anyone. You can't say that everyone is lying about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:26 PM
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Yeah people are really reluctant to attach the "exclusive" label
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:22 PM
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I agree with you. Everyone assumes a woman is wearing makeup in most public places nowadays. The real lie would be saying she isn't when she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:07 PM
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I mean I think that still requires having a good amount of money. But if you say you own it that would just be another explicit lie. Like a girl saying she has no makeup on when she does, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:01 PM
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You said you want women to make an effort, including makeup. You also acknowledged that it's deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 03:58 PM
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What's the male equivalent to makeup in terms of deceit?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 03:22 PM
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The difference being that you want to be deceived by makeup whereas women don't want to be deceived by explicit lies. Also like you said makeup shows a woman cares because it takes effort. Making up a number takes no effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 03:21 PM
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I thought you were going to give way more shallow descriptors, like "chugs beer" or "cusses like a sailor." We were talking about just base initial sexual at attraction but now it sounds like some girl you dated for awhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 03:35 AM
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What you said doesn't necessarily contradict what I said. First off your two points have little to do with each other. It's true that respect and preselection factor into attraction. But it's MEN who respect men who can bag many women. Women have no reason to 'respect' that. Preselection is based on women's innate sort of respect for other women's opinions and the need for validation of their choice. I still think good looks are generally required to get the genuine attraction of many women (it …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 03:32 AM
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His post history backs it up
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 02:39 AM
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Crazy can be used both for an ex or for a girl you didn't want to date. With women, asshole is for exes, creepy is for never-wanna-date-yas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 02:21 AM
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Do you think short men feel any of that? I don't think men want to stand on their toes and lean up for kisses.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 01:54 AM
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I think "the man always pays" is a pretty old school concept. It's not surprising in the least that younger women are more willing to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 12:17 AM
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Because women have a uterus built into them and could pretty much decide to go out and get pregnant any time they want. A man has to convince a woman to let him use her womb.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:22 PM
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But the brain is most elastic before 25. They wouldn't end up going at all
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 05:47 PM
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Women do suck at judging height
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 05:26 PM
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I'm curious how much this goes both ways. I think most men are like you and prefer shorter girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 05:26 PM
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One is asking for three things the other is only asking for one
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 05:22 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4tflnl/question_for_incels_if_not_typical_advice_or_rp/d5h3i20 You suggested that women actually have ugly untalented incel babies
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 05:16 PM
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Haha exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:58 PM
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No i meant quantity of women over quality of women, but what they value most about them is still looks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:43 PM
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She wins by getting your resources. You win by earning her commitment and sexual fidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:43 PM
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especially not more intellectually developed women. I think this is the part that caused confusion in your previous comment
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:39 PM
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That's chill. Strange that your desire goes down without being accompanied by other feels
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:31 PM
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Hypergamy may as well be polygamy when women are cheating and leaving at the rates they do. There's always a better man out there. Just because she only feels desire for men superior to you while you desire women both superior and inferior to her doesn't mean the desire isn't there or that her commitment isn't a sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:24 PM
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Yeah exactly. And they realized they'd been overlooking diagnoses of addiction in which the addiction was only one symptom of the greater problem - BPD. And those with BPD who have addictions or are in prison are most likely to be men which skewed the numbers. Hopefully neuropsychology keeps advancing and more proper diagnoses are given rather than assuming shitty behavior is just because of someone's sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:20 PM
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Oh I thought in the incel thread you were serious that women should have bad babies
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:06 PM
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But you want women to create ugly incel babies...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:37 PM
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I wish it were realistic/affordable for more people to have kids at that age. 21/25 seems perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:02 PM
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A loyal non-bonder...interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 02:50 PM
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It's not hard to explain, I'm not even denying what you're saying. I mentioned spanks...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 02:43 PM
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Did you look at the link? It's a detailed study that talks about the different ways BPD presents in men and women, it's not just speculation. I think you misunderstood? The study is actually giving men the benefit of the doubt. It's suggesting that many violent criminals/addicts are that way because something is wrong with them (BPD), and not because those destructive behaviors are innately male. I did some more digging and this is the actually study showing that BPD occurs at almost the same ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 02:40 PM
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This is what I thought too. I know that 3/4 of my great grandmothers had kids into their 40s (with no complications, mostly home births) and I thought that was kinda the norm back then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:58 PM
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What don't men do? Prioritize looks? I never said women weren't more selective, only that both sexes prioritize looks. Obviously men want quantity> quality while women want the opposites, but it's not like men are valuing some other trait in women sexually more than they value appearance. Why not try changing the priorities of sexually successful men? They're a smaller group than all of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:53 PM
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Oh i see. Yeah it's probably trusty. This is one source I found that claims equal prevalence: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115767/ It seems they believe that men are diagnosed less because 1) men are much less likely to seek professional mental help and 2) the men who have it are likely to end up just diagnosed with an addiction or in jail
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:49 PM
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They get belly pouches
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:44 PM
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I know... To many people sex isn't "just sex".. Some people are actually able to bond with others Are you in the "just sex" group or the "able to bond" group?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:43 PM
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Not to you though? Since you pump and dump sluts
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:25 PM
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Where did you find that it's mostly young women affected? When I researched it I found that they now don't see a difference in gender prevalence for BPD
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:15 PM
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Hey I learned something new!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:13 PM
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And there are spanks(?) and makeup Men's clothes cover more and are baggier though so they could also be hiding some chub
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:59 PM
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I think it's the women experiencing extreme abundance mentality on tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:56 PM
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How old were you and your wife when you had your first?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:48 PM
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It's easy to mix them up haha
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:46 PM
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Idk, that it's unrealistic to expect people not to care about looks when we are programmed to seek out good genes. Do you believe women could actually change their priorities in attraction or would it have to be forced?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:46 PM
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It's possible the guy really does act like an asshole to other guys but not to the girl. Just like a girl will be a bitch to other girls but a submissive sweetheart to her guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:43 PM
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"Teen pregnancy" has only negative connotations nowadays, and people advise their kids against marrying too young. Even if they wanted to it's not economically feasible for most people anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:41 PM
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The BPD in the OP is borderline personality disorder, not bipolar disorder
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:30 PM
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I have heard that happens a lot amongst divorcees. In fact I read somewhere that a close friend getting divorced significantly increases the chances of it happening to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:26 PM
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Do you have kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:25 PM
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Coming from a stable family is a boost to RMV. I'd say it's just as true of men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:08 PM
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Hasn't TRP proven that sticking to one dick is a difficult promise to make? Monogamy isn't natural for anybody
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:06 PM
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I mean the first sentence says the title is literal. I don't even disagree with it just pointing it out
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:03 PM
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Well there's no reason why an AWALT classification should only require that you check one of the boxes while NAWALT requires checking off literally all of them. Why do you distinguish it that way? So you can label as many women AWALT as possible? Most men have at least one of the AWALT traits so the majority of men would qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:02 PM
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I guess men have lowered their standards but they haven't changed their priorities
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 11:45 AM
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I'm serious...why should women change their priorities? And how do you intend to change them? What good will come of producing ugly untalented offspring that will then become incels themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 11:44 AM
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8s aren't low value, and it's not a girl's fault if she maxes out at an 8 and didn't know he's had better
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 11:38 AM
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Probably. Doesn't make it untrue that most people look better with their clothes on
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 06:46 AM
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They made a movie about it https://youtu.be/B1kabNGO9Bk
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 06:43 AM
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It's true of most people
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 06:32 AM
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To satisfy the conditions of a definition, you have to meet all the criteria, not just some of the criteria. You stated this as if true of all definitions. But anyways. If a man had one AWALT quality, you'd have to say he was AWALT too by that rule
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 06:14 AM
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To satisfy the conditions of a definition, you have to meet all the criteria, not just some of the criteria. Then why isn't this true for the definition of AWALT? You've contradicted yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:25 AM
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Girls are constantly lied to by both the men who dump them and the women around them. Men deny that they only want sex in order to get sex, then give total bullshit reasons instead of telling them the real reason they don't want to see it again, and women feed each other even more good feels bullshit that reaffirms it. Women are repeatedly lied to too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:15 AM
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That makes no sense. I asked what consequence she should face for not having kids early.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:09 AM
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Why wouldn't you at least want sex with her again if she's got the looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 02:34 AM
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It still hurts her though. She made the trade off. What other consequence should she have to pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 02:26 AM
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Why should women stop focusing on looks when men won't do the same? Why should one have to settle for less genetic quality while the other does not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:25 AM
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Everyone pays a consequence. The longer she waits the less kids she can have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:23 AM
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I meant in a teasing/ribbing way. Guys tease each other about "the old ball and chain" or being pussy whipped all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:22 AM
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I think OP's description fits how women feel after a great hookup; if you're actually attractive, fun and great at sex, why wouldn't she want to see you again?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 11:48 PM
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No most of them say they just did it to have fun, even if that's a lie. Most women try to keep their desires of "locking a man down" under wraps
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 11:12 PM
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What makes you think her hatred of the world comes from being taught that being a woman is bad? She just agreed with that non-feminist book about female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 07:20 PM
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Then why did they use 'raped' instead of 'ravished' in the title
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 07:07 PM
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I am sure you are older than I think
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 07:01 PM
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I really don't think that many women are struggling. They will find their beta bucks, which is a bad deal for him, but a great deal for her. AFBB is pretty great for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 07:01 PM
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I know plenty of women who speak openly about their sex lives, even ones whose boyfriends will tease them about stuff they know about them, like about a weird mutual friend she drunkenly banged once. She'll joke back about how he's eskimo bros with their professor because of their slutty friend. Neither these girls nor their guys are insecure about this stuff in the slightest. Y'all need to get into the young liberal crowd in a big city, where 'slut' is a term of endearment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:56 PM
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How is AFBB self-destructive? It seems to harm men while not really having any damage to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:47 PM
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And most men STILL choose hot crazy bitches over nice boring plain janes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:44 PM
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Well building an emotional investment requires time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:35 PM
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What impulses are contradictory? Do you believe female nature is more self-destructive than male nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:31 PM
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I think maybe she's saying that she is also giving more to the man she really likes than she gave to past partners. This is assuming that she fucks him (and does everything she did with Chad before), and gives him an LTR. If he doesn't see the LTR as an added benefit, then he is lying about wanting a relationship when he really just wants sex, like cora said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:29 PM
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She really wants to fuck him but she controls her impulse, 1) because appearing responsible and controlled will make her seem more relationship-y to him, and 2) because it gives her a chance to try and determine if he really likes her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:23 PM
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How many years do you think it should take someone to recognize that their sexual strategy isn't working? Many RP dudes claim they kept trying the same "be nice" schtick for several years or decades despite it yielding no results.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:21 PM
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You mean the subreddit? I've only seen one or two examples of that on there through TRP, and I think they were accompanied by a DB or "she won't do BJs with me and I discovered she used to do them" type of situation. I've never seen an example where it ruined an otherwise good sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:17 PM
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Is this a Madonna/whore thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:10 PM
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They think they do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:08 PM
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Everyone on that thread said sex was different when had within a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:05 PM
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I haven't seen that but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:01 PM
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Well that's exactly what I said, Chad won't settle down. You're still wrong though. A hot girl has more value than an average girl almost all of the time, barring any major personality deficits.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:01 PM
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A hole is still just a hole to Chad. I think that if he did have to settle down for some reason, and he had to choose between the average looking girl with a low n and a hot girl with a high n, he will pick the hot girl. Hotness trumps all, including n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:52 PM
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Women who bore their men sexually also run the risk of him cheating. It's not that it's your "fault" for the other person cheating, it just increases the risk of it happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:38 PM
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They aren't committing to anyone at all regardless of n-count
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:36 PM
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Chad not committing has nothing to do with her partner count at all....Chad is the guy who will take her virginity and never call again. Why would he? He's Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:34 PM
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All the women here said they've never been asked either, so I guess most men also don't care
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:29 PM
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Most normal guys don't know those statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:27 PM
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Why not just say it's voluntary? You know, joke about how you're not ready to get tied down yet, say girls aren't worth the trouble, mock your friends who are in relationships for being whipped...these are things that perpetually single guys do, and they seem even cooler for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:19 PM
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Yeah I agree. Again the money itself is only secondary; it's the being a bad ass risk-taking entrepreneur that is alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:17 PM
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This is what you actually think it was like? Did you read about those rituals? Where did such societies exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:12 PM
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Why does anyone have to know you're FA? Or how do they know? What might make you come off as a creep? Can't you just act like you're voluntarily single if someone ever prods you about your romantic life?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:03 PM
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Cheating = having sex outside a committed monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:57 PM
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That's essentially everyone who ever marries
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:49 PM
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Only when you're the cheater and not the one being cheated on
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:48 PM
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But they're already married.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:43 PM
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Why do you want popular recognition of the FA condition? Do you think it will change anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:35 PM
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I've actually never met a hot girl who lacked any femininity at all. What kind of masculine behaviors can turn you off a hot woman? I don't discount the other factors. I just believe that the threshold one first has to cross in order to be really attractive is a physical one. Then the other factors come into play. And money is at best an indirect factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:48 PM
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No, I think status (shown mostly through personality/behaviors) make up a fair amount for women. Things like masculinity, worldliness, athletic ability, sense of humor, being the 'life of the party' kinda guy etc...and while money may help you do those things, it isn't necessary, and it isn't directly attractive on its own. The physical aspect does account for more of the attractiveness formula than TRP thinks though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:43 PM
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I think more women swooned over Ryan Gosling's poor man character in The Notebook than ever did over Christian Grey. Those women you know are lying. "Being a baller" is attractive, it's not the money. You can see why they'd be dishonest about that right? They don't want you spilling to your rich friends that they don't think he's hot. Money definitely can't make an unattractive man attractive. It's kinda like personality on a girl. It may increase attractiveness a bit on an already hot girl, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 11:13 AM
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Go back to Hefner. What would you say his SMV is? Money will make you more 'interesting' to women but not hotter. It's silly to think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 11:07 AM
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Nothing at all
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:34 AM
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Beta fucks
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:28 AM
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Sometimes women are actually physically aroused by a man and will want sex for the sake of sex with him. If a woman seems attracted to you only after seeing your fancy car or bank account, that is not true attraction. Obviously she's hoping she can use you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:02 AM
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You're just gonna have to trust me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:58 AM
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The difference is that they're attracted to the hot guy. And my point about Hefner is that he's not attractive just because he has money. You are arguing that having money is inherently attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:54 AM
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Beta = providing and commitment so I still think marriage is the ultimate beta move.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:52 AM
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I thought alpha bucks was more like George Clooney, who is obviously an alpha playboy who finally settled down. I don't think what you wrote is AB at all...that could just be a beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:52 AM
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I said she's getting an experience out of it, and probably hopes to get more out of it (even if it's just the possibility of getting to ride in the hummer again sometime).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:50 AM
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If you're better looking, you're more attractive. Women have sex with men they're not attracted to all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:46 AM
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Women are still just using him for the experience, be it a hummer or a boat. The money itself does not make the man more attractive. Women are willing to have sex with a man for their own gain if he has something she wants. It doesn't mean they're attracted to him. Do you genuinely believe any of those girls truly think Hugh Hefner is hot or sexy at 90 years old? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:45 AM
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Religion use to make everybody wait especially women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:31 AM
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If sex is not that big a deal for women then why not just let him have it on the first date? Because it obviously IS a big deal for men. Women know this and they use it, as you can see.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:24 AM
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It's a contradiction imo. Marriage is the definition of being beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:16 AM
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It's way more validating than anything a beta does or says to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:58 AM
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Because a true alpha would never commit or especially get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:57 AM
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I believe money factors into RMV only, not raw attraction at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:57 AM
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She's doing it for the story. Speeding in a stupid car is pretty alpha, simply having money/resources is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:56 AM
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Beta fucks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:01 AM
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Women will just cuddle each other
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:58 AM
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Money does not turn women on, it makes them willing to fuck whoever has it so she can try to secure access to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:56 AM
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I don't think having money is alpha
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:55 AM
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I don't think alpha bucks is real. Not in any meaningful number anyways, that women expect to marry one. He's the male unicorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:55 AM
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Validation is better coming from Chad's dick
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:53 AM
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I hear this way more often from guys
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:52 AM
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The official number for women is like 4, but everybody lies
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 08:18 PM
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Interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 08:01 PM
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I agree I just think it's irrelevant to what you replied to. When someone says 'RP guys act like assholes because women incentivize it' do you jump to "men have no agency"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:52 PM
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Maybe for relationships. You'll never have as much opportunity for random sex as you have on a campus with any kind of hookup culture
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:49 PM
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What a jump lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:42 PM
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men insist there's a difference like in this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4sjo36/the_meaning_of_sex_for_men/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:55 PM
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and he's literally perfect. Lol aw
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:28 PM
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They have an advantage while actually in college too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:25 PM
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I think the story in the OP is fake
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 11:57 AM
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How convenient!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:04 AM
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Or is it that women have no purpose because men don't need them anymore. Perhaps both?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:23 AM
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Ok well when I asked you how women are supposed to know how men feel about them, you basically said it was impossible, and now you're trying to say they only can't because of their solipsism? That quote suggests a lot of deception on the part of men. You think female solipsism is responsible for women believing men's lies? Again I ask, how are they supposed to know whether he sees her as LTR material or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:12 AM
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In what way
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:15 AM
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she truly believes a relationship is more valuable to a man than sex. In the long term, yes, it is. Ok but you see that the long term is what women care about? So you're proving them right
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:08 AM
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Ok, so it's not really their solipsism. It's just...lack of telepathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:05 AM
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How are they supposed to know how the men they like see them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 03:49 AM
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I agree. Peace requires total compromise on what you believe in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 12:40 AM
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I've always said that peace and passion are completely incompatible. You can only have peace when people give up passion. I prefer a world of passion over total peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:12 PM
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Eric!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 06:44 PM
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I think part of his point is that criminals = alpha
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:50 PM
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Yes they do. That kind of discipline requires reigning in your impulses. Alpha behavior is acting on your impulses with little regard for the consequences AKA doing whatever the fuck you feel like
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:33 PM
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Lifting is beta because it requires future-time orientation and long-term planning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:27 PM
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That guy he describes has a lot more alpha traits than the typical business drone produced by MC two-parent households.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:26 PM
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The main example you gave of female self-destruction was that of a woman who divorces in her 30s. I argued that doing so wasn't necessarily self-destructive at all. Do you still dispute that? I agree that underdeveloped, unintelligent people of both genders are more likely to be a danger to themselves. I disagree that the unintelligent male is meek or scared. The young male who is a danger to himself is taking all sorts of risks without checking himself and hurting himself in the process. Same g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:21 PM
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Ok well in Catholicism God is a He. Source: lifetime of Catholic schooling
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:43 PM
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Mary is the ONLY woman worshiped in Christianity though, and God is a He.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:33 PM
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So even though men's behaviors are more likely to wind them up in prison, dead or addicted, you still argue that female nature is more self-destructive? Obviously the divorce and custody laws have affected female behavior. They used to not initiate divorce as much before, because there weren't the same incentives and they knew it was very risky, like you said. Nowadays, it just isn't that risky, and being independent with some extra cash in her pocket may genuinely be a better or even less self-…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:25 PM
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Examples? Pretty sure most of the evil, deceptive characters in Disney movies were female.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 03:56 PM
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This thread is asking for specific examples. Shouldn't be too hard to find some since those crystal clear messages were everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 03:23 PM
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You say we are talking about two different types of self-destruction. I'm arguing that just because it's in the name of pain or having fun doesn't make those male behaviors somehow less self-destructive than the female ones you mentioned. I see those women who divorce and break up their families as selfish and self-serving. She's probably getting an ok deal out of it so, not self-destruction. Do you believe all those self-destructive qualities to be biologically inherent in women? I do not see w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 03:19 PM
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It was just a question jeez
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:02 PM
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I don't want anything
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:50 PM
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Nah he'll want better. No one likes feeling like they've settled. Least of all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:07 PM
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That's quite the imagination you have
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:29 PM
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Women actually underestimate their SMV. Also I think what you're getting at is that the more attractive person will always have the control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:27 PM
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What are you referring to? I think you think I'm someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:46 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:09 PM
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Just wonderin
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:06 PM
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Men don't want women to approach them the way they approach women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:05 PM
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Men will vote against their own interests while women vote in favor of them. It's insanity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:52 PM
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What conclusion? Obviously it matters who commitment comes from. It's very different from sex in the regard that it lasts forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:39 PM
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It's your calling them "sports pants"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:37 PM
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You want women to try getting commitment from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:23 PM
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Tell us more about butterflies from mommy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:22 PM
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They're just nerdier is all! Most of my friends are not on reddit. I hate fat people too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:15 PM
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I was thinking more about the wall he hung it up on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:11 PM
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The girl you like the most is just the girl who likes you the most?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:08 PM
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Yep that's how it was always done in my family. Isn't the law that 13 year olds and up can legally watch over children? So fine, for most, the proper age of becoming caretaker is 13. It isn't that fucking difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 12:00 PM
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They would if not for custody laws
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:57 AM
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It's your khakis
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:55 AM
1

Actually successful women are seen as less attractive, specifically doctors too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:53 AM
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Most women don't love serial killers... Men lie too. They say they no one cares about partner count to get girls to be more sexual with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:50 AM
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Don't you see how a guy settling with a less hot partner will have the same problems? I agree with you overall that all marriages are like this I just think it comes from both sides
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:45 AM
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You should be
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:42 AM
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You're still conflating rmv and smv
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:42 AM
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Oh right they may hang on to you out of desperation
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:37 AM
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Oh you're all on reddit. Gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:36 AM
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Bizarre. The female friends I know care a lot and get an absurd amount of enjoyment from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:26 AM
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Lol I've watched after little kids since I was 8 and onwards. No one ever died. Babies are more durable than people think..especially after age 5 or so, they can pretty much take care of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:22 AM
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What about the girls that would be "left behind" in segregated schooling?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 10:59 AM
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It's easy and something that older children can do. Adult women are capable of greater things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:32 AM
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Sorry but the boys toys just are cooler. Have you seen the legos they released specifically for girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:27 AM
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You had grey hair at 22?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:38 PM
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Sure you do. You're both very interested in getting drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:34 PM
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You are the only one who is obsessed with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:00 PM
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Those shows only depict women being more capable in the realm of the home. Still completely in line with traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:14 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:53 PM
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I think your girlfriend is unique in this regard. Maybe if I had heard of LSD having this effect (or lack of, rather) on women in general, or even heard it reported by any other woman at all, your theory would hold more weight. I think her childhood activities were unusual as well. Girls definitely have big imaginations but not usually to the point of physical hallucination. As far as losing touch with reality to a dangerous degree, I believe paranoia and schizophrenia are a bit more common in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:52 PM
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Sure, typically it's food addiction from various pain. Men are still fitter in general and control themselves more often. The last stats I've seen showed less than a 10% difference between the amount of women or men who are obese/overweight. Why do you assume the typical case is one that is a result of pain? What is the root cause of overeating women, if not pain fueled addiction? Part of taking risks is being brave and enjoying adrenaline rushes and danger. I think most take controlled risks, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:36 PM
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Yeah, now the classrooms are less strict and more free...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:24 PM
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I would really like to see where they have the women rate the other women, because I think women will judge other women - and themselves - more harshly overall. Men I imagine would be handing out 4-5 stars to everyone (including themselves). Women underrate and men overrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:08 PM
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I think I read that even if you don't use any birth control at all, you still are only at like an 85% chance of getting pregnant within a year. Surely it depends on how often you have sex though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:02 PM
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They told poor women they had a right to earn money like men. This is all it was originally based on though. The rest of that is pretty new.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:01 PM
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I believe you. I'm really curious as to what you think should be imposed, or even if you have examples of what used to be imposed? (I think I remember stoning to death from the bible)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:00 PM
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But aren't men eating their way into fatness too? Don't men act even more impulsively and take many more unnecessary risks? What about the fact that men are more likely to be addicts and much more likely to kill themselves (aka the ultimate self-destruction)?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:56 PM
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You actually believe her? That she can manipulate how she sees the physical world with her mind? That's a little scary (or maybe awesome?) that your gf's life is a nonstop acid trip lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:54 PM
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Kinky
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:42 PM
1

What penalties and consequences should be imposed? Who should impose them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:38 PM
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Once a year? Don't you mean like, 12 times a year?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:33 PM
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Stop saying it's 85% of women then. Do the math.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:31 PM
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That is not why feminism came about
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:29 PM
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What is your last paragraph talking about? I can do that when I'm on LSD
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:28 PM
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Do you think women are more self-destructive than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:23 PM
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Because why not do the least amount of work for the same result
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:19 PM
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They are only "better" if you are pitting men and women against each other by having them do the same tasks. Otherwise you think they are equal? I gave a couple of examples of male/female interests, and they're not equal. The male topics are better and more valuable. If you can argue them being of equal importance, go ahead. I have zero need to compete with men. Let them do the interesting stuff, get the glory. I'll be the support and the pleasure. That is half the red pill argument anyway. I ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:13 PM
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Classrooms have become less strict if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:07 PM
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But boys have learned literally for centuries by sitting down and shutting up and reading from books.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:06 PM
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Individuals have different strengths and weaknesses; but the school system overrides all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:01 PM
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That was BEFORE women were allowed to go to school too, but somehow they see the current system as being tailored to girls' needs. More like you get your kid diagnosed with something so his misbehavior is no longer your fault nor your responsibility. Lazy parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:59 PM
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I think she means for example, if she were a homeless woman in a town that didn't have a shelter, she wouldn't be heard because everyone knows there's way more homeless men than women, so she would be insignificant to anyone just looking at the stats. Or how people talk about segregating classrooms by gender because boys tend to be ADHD and need a more active learning style; the girls with ADHD who need to get rowdy and run around will be forced into all female classrooms that don't match their …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:56 PM
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Doesn't matter what you pick just be the very best at it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:52 PM
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Because they're objectively, measurably better. Especially how masc/fem is defined here. Everything considered masculine is more worthwhile and more interesting. You will have a tough case trying to say knitting or fashion is somehow just as valuable as logic or mechanics
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:51 PM
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No I'm saying the average woman, like the actual average woman, AKA most women, do not receive those benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:46 PM
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You still have to pass the same classes and meet the same requirements. They can't be that untalented for some of those careers (physician, engineer)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:45 PM
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They don't like that you care about them or they don't like caring about you/each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:44 PM
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Just because you've seen the "average" AKA the typical woman do both of these things does not mean that the actual average woman in America does those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:41 PM
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Fix your autocorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:27 AM
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Men tend to have one track minds and handle one thing at a time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:25 AM
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I thought most people were rebellious kids like you. I can't fathom taking parental advice as seriously as in the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:47 AM
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Look up the statistics I mentioned
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:10 AM
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I sense that sex bot threads are the next epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 04:11 AM
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It's true. Married men live significantly longer. Old men are very likely to die very soon after their wife does. These effects aren't seen in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 04:11 AM
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I like it just for fun too! What's your MBTI type?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:45 AM
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So the dog builds a bond with you when you feed it over and over again. Yes? Does it bond or think about bonding at all to the new person who offers it food?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:18 AM
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Dogs are strangely similar to humans? Why do you need help with dogs?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:16 AM
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Here's the thing: most people believe women to be more in control of their sexuality, by virtue of having a lower sex drive. I think it's fair to reason that the person with more control over that is doing something intentionally malicious when they cheat or upgrade. We have: homewrecker, gold digger, slut. These terms exist because we see women as being able to choose who they're attracted to. What are the equivalent terms for men? They don't exist because they can brush it off as "male nature"…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:13 AM
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That's a very interesting field of study. I will look out for your comments in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:07 AM
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Like I said, interestingly different from other accounts I've read.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:43 AM
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It's not specific to getting laid, but I see it as consistent with RP advice. Becoming the very best at something requires all the confidence and merits the resulting status that TRP claims is necessary to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:38 AM
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You believe in karma?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:32 AM
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Proof of what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:25 AM
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Women, because friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:24 AM
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I think women peak about 19-22 while men peak around 22-25, purely in terms of physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:58 PM
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That's really interesting. I've read contradicting reports from men here about how quality time is only how women bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:49 PM
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If wealth were out of the equation, women would select for physical attractiveness and personality. I think men peak physically before 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:44 PM
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First, spend more time here if you think men find fat women unfuckable. It's gross. Second, if it has nothing to do with her having a pretty face, then why aren't older not-fat women included as well? Why not just make it "not-fat?" It's actually been shown that men judge attractiveness more on face than body while women do the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:38 PM
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I said wealth makes men more attractive for relationships but not for sex. So while women prefer older men for relationships, it's not because older men are sexier, it's because they're more financially stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:16 PM
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Women prefer rich men, who tend to be older (again, just for relationships/marriage). Men are attracted to younger women almost exclusively, while women will find both younger and older men sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:06 PM
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Do they have to fuck all week? Or is it the quality time spent together that gets him feely?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:34 PM
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Did I say fucking otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:30 PM
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I do think women slowly become less desirable while men slowly become more so (for relationships that is - young men are still "hottest"). 26 is a decent age to say that crossover begins imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:28 PM
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Ah you got me there boy!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:24 PM
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It might've come from that fucking okc study. There's a chart showing that women under 26 are much more desired for relationships than men under 26, then it evens out, and then men have the slight advantage over their female peers for the rest of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:10 PM
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Yeah but hypergamy is based largely on money. You wouldn't be able to satisfy the rich one without being richer than she already was. You seem to understand this in your "p.s."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:04 PM
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Being the best at something will always be attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:52 PM
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They say it's both the only way men truly experience emotional intimacy while also saying there's no emotions involved. One of the big inconsistencies I struggle to understand as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:51 PM
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You're not explaining the love/emotional factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:50 PM
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That's still not the majority of the female population. Plus, 14-16 year olds are a bit of a hit or a miss. When you remember acne, braces, and other symptoms of 'the awkward phase,' including the fact that some girls don't bleed until 14, I'd say it's closer to 60% of them than 85, but that's just my own guesstimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:50 PM
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That is when females no longer have an advantage over their male counterparts in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:41 PM
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Your idea of female sexuality is clearly based on what you want to believe. You said yourself, men WANT their women to be sluts only for them. Clearly you want to believe your SO could only enjoy sex with you. What you or men want has very little to do with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:39 PM
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It's not about what men like...just because you wish it were true of females (inc. your SO) doesn't make it true buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:33 PM
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When you can orgasm more easily by yourself than you can with a friend, it makes sense that women are less driven to go out looking for sex. A man that would like sex with a woman IF it were as convenient as masturbating still has a low sex drive imo (I said he's a guy who doesn't pursue women, remember). If you have a high sex drive, you are sex driven, which means you are actually driven, or motivated, to go out and fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:22 PM
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Then what about hate fucking? Most men claim that sex is primarily physical for them while it's women that have all these emotional factors tied to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:08 PM
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I'm just arguing your claim that men find 85% of women fuckable. I'm not talking about their sex drive, just the limits of their attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:06 PM
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Right she has to be much worse than awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:01 PM
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What more does sex mean to a man than the good feelings on his penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 08:52 PM
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Factor in age and that number goes hella down.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 08:51 PM
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I think you're referencing an important distinction, that horniness does not always equate to a drive to actually go out and have sex. Women can be extremely horny and not feel driven towards sex. Same is true of men who masturbate very frequently without pursuing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 08:50 PM
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I just think it's extremely unlikely that a woman would be socially awkward enough to make it to that age with no romantic interests or experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 08:24 PM
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85% of non-overweight women between 18-25 is actually NOT that much of the population...especially when factoring in age, male sexuality is much more limited than you make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 08:15 PM
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If all else is equal, can't we assume that hypergamy acts on them to an equal degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 08:07 PM
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Surgeons are typically the kind of parents who push their kids to succeed while filling their childhoods with experiences that make them believe they can. Two hardworking parents rarely produce a child who is ok with doing the bare minimum ime. These kids go to the best schools and assume from a young age that they will be doctors (or something of similar caliber) too. I completely agree that being sheltered and coddled will fuck you up (it's why so many women are fucked up), I just disagree tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 08:06 PM
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Money has to be in the right hands to be fun, i.e. the kind of guy who'd spend it on drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:58 PM
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Just like sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:54 PM
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Oh ok. Yeah I agree. Your comments leading up to this were pretty confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:38 PM
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So you felt horny, but you didn't know all the men around you felt the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:36 PM
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I don't understand the point you're making at all. Are crunchy granola types really the kind to think of themselves as a "bad bitch?" And these bad bitch hippies are also middle class? Why would a girl with a drug lord father be different? She'd probably have a lot of money AND more attitude... But again I think I'm misunderstanding your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:34 PM
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If both your parents are any kind of surgeon really, you're doing fucking ok in life
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:29 PM
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Hippy girls aren't submissive? Or are you talking about money?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:25 PM
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Don't you think only crunchy granola men are the only ones of their sex that don't care about material possessions too?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:25 PM
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But a poor girl's hypergamous needs would be filled more easily and she'd depend on you. The rich girl would constantly be expecting more than she's already used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:23 PM
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Who is he significant to? He's alone...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:46 PM
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What makes you think you'd have to brainwash them into caring for you? Are you that terrible to be around? I fucking love hanging out with my grandparents, and I know they love being around me. That's how family is supposed to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:44 PM
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Why does a man choose to have a family?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:40 PM
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Why do you think your brother would be sad if you died? What does he love about you? What would he miss about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:38 PM
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I agree it's bizarre. I come from an awesome family; why wouldn't I want to add more members to this team and keep it going?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:35 PM
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I think this whole idea that 'women will always push for commitment' leads guys to assume that marriage will just sort of happen to them, almost against their will. I think even the ones who say they're never getting married secretly assume they will someday. Then they hit their mid thirties and they're almost startled that no one has managed (or tried) to lock their awesome selves down yet. Men who do not reproduce have to come to terms with defining their manhood in a less than traditional way…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:34 PM
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How old are you? I think your experience is unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:28 PM
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When did you stop being ok with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:25 PM
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Do you think you could be convinced to give up your baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:23 PM
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Yep, married men are less likely to be alcoholics while married women are more likely. Marriage benefits men a lot more than guys here would believe and isn't the awesome deal for women that people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:21 PM
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Like she never could or can't now because she's 40?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:19 PM
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Better than the 1:1 odds of growing old alone that comes with not having a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:15 PM
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But why do you think people will think you're a POS for abandoning your parents in old age? Why do you think that perception exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:13 PM
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Fine, that only applies to incels with any amount of disposable income (you do not need to be 'rich'). What do you mean by, "you don't attract women with money" ? Of course you do. What is the difference between "attracted to" and "willing to have sex with"? I don't think there is one. Do you think Melania was ever genuinely attracted to Donald Trump, or was she willing to fuck him because he had money? The more important question - do you think he gives a shit that she wouldn't be with him if h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 05:09 PM
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It's much easier for men to improve and recover from poor social skills and interaction with women, than it is for women, But poor social skills are much less damning to a woman, and they generally have an easier time overcoming them anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 04:31 PM
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Staying true to yourself is a better catchphrase imo than simply being yourself. I think staying true to yourself should motivate someone to find out what he loves and go after it, no matter what anyone else thinks about it. Stay true to yourself and your dreams in the face of anyone who opposes them. The geek in those movies usually has a moment of change where he accomplishes something or becomes more confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 04:29 PM
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Or the males you did interact with did a really good job of hiding it, just like females do with their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 04:25 PM
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Yeah I have a really hard time believing that the same guys who won't see a pro because she doesn't genuinely want him will be satisfied with a robot that doesn't even have the capability to genuinely want him. Even if sex bots are extremely convincing in the future. Prostitutes are extremely convincing now, but it's just knowing that there was a price tag attached that gets to these guys. They'll just be paying for sex with another woman who doesn't want them, and this one isn't even real.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 04:20 PM
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If you're starving and possess enough money to pay for food but would prefer that someone gave it to you for free because they love you so much, you're an idiot who should stop complaining about being hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 04:17 PM
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Good thing most kids realize it's total bullshit once they're past the Barney stage of life. I never knew anyone stupid enough to believe 'just be yourself' meant to stay completely stagnant and not try to change or improve at all. Obviously everyone knows they have to grow up, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 04:14 PM
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What did I just fucking say? I'm against saying to 'just be yourself.'
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 04:11 PM
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That's what I'm saying. I am against giving out "jby" as advice. I am in favor of advising young people that they need to find what in the world they like doing, and become the very best at it; that the biggest and most important challenge in his life will be deciding what he wants and then going after it with reckless abandon, no matter what the cost. That forging his life and destiny is completely within his power - and therefore his responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 03:33 PM
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Those three words are a bad way of phrasing it but the message behind them is useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 03:09 PM
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Did you need to be taught it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 03:05 PM
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Pretty or not it hardly matters Pretty is all that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 03:04 PM
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The problem is with the word "just." It implies that being the truest version of yourself is easy, and as you said, it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 03:45 AM
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Nah I was asking what specifically about human nature makes people sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 10:18 PM
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There is nothing wrong with children who think like children. There is something wrong with adults who think like children. I mean that in the sense of narcissism and egocentrism, not awe and wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 10:17 PM
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I meant specifically. Does the reality of human nature make you sad?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 08:24 PM
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I never said it was off topic, or even incorrect. It's just not surprising in the least that a comment claiming that women have no meaningful interests was met with backlash, on YouTube of all places.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 06:26 PM
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I think he was more claiming that you are a teenager; that the ones following the advice and writing the outlandish field reports and making the misogynistic comments are teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 06:11 PM
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No matter how good the parents are, a child's way of thinking is inherently weaker than it will be after it matures.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:52 PM
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It wasn't an attack at all. If there's nothing wrong with children (as you are telling me in another comment) then there is nothing wrong with teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:49 PM
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You totally reframed something about what women deserve (the choice of whether or not to go into prostitution) into a statement about what men don't deserve (to have sex for money). Nowhere in there does it talk about men or what they do or don't deserve. At all. Go ahead and find the quote that says that though, I'll be interested to read it. It should be easy to find since it's the mainstream feminist message.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:33 PM
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It was irrelevant to the simple claim that the majority of subscribers to TRP are teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:30 PM
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There is plenty wrong with children. Have you spent time around children lately? There is a reason they don't have the same rights as adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:25 PM
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How are you guys surprised at that being a controversial statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:23 PM
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You're stupid if you didn't expect that to be a controversial YouTube comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:22 PM
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Irrelevant. Her boyfriend made the claim about "RPillers," not main contributors.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:20 PM
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What do the feminists get sad about?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:17 PM
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I did not see anything remotely close to this sentiment - men have no right to have sex with anyone who doesn't desire them organically in what you quoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:11 PM
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I've read too many accounts from incels saying they wouldn't fuck a prostitute because 'she wouldn't genuinely want him' to believe any significant amount of men are going to be satisfied with this as a substitute for the real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:03 PM
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What about the claim that women will fuck a guy without status if he's attractive enough, like a hot hobo
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:00 PM
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Men need women emotionally much more than the reverse. Men do not have the natural support systems that all women do and often get their only real support from their girlfriends or wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 04:55 PM
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The mainstream feminist party line about it is that men have no right to have sex with anyone who doesn't desire them organically, without money being involved. Sources pls
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 04:31 PM
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"oh it's far too embarrassing." I'm saying that if you get this line and he is insistent about it, he's likely hiding something. Anyways a fun guy would be able to laugh at himself about an embarrassing picture. Red flag either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 04:11 PM
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I get that. Just don't try to innocently call it "taking precautions" when it's more like a preemptive strike.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 07:18 PM
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I think most guys have at least some submissive thoughts/fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:58 PM
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I think there are also pills that can create a "miscarriage."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:51 PM
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Charlie Kelly survived an abortion!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:46 PM
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Straight up lying about your identity is doing more than taking precautions. Being in control of the birth control and properly vetting your sex partners would be taking precautions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:44 PM
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Here's a trick: make a joke about how bad your driver's license picture is and then ask to see his to compare so you can check for his real name (if he's given you a fake name he will refuse to show you his ID)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:42 PM
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You say don't care about women but just demonstrated that you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:39 PM
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You can really abort as late as you want in Canada?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:38 PM
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You shouldn't segregate them. Then the competitive/rowdy girls will have it the worst. They already kind of do. Boys' energetic behavior is excused because it's expected. Girls showing boyish behavior are punished worse and really thought to have something wrong with them. There may boys who want to be more cooperative too. But I think group projects should not be considered into grades at all. They need to make it more conducive to all the types of learning styles (visual/audial/kinetic) regard…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 07:36 AM
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Active consent is so new though. Should all of our ancestors have been put in jail?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 07:36 AM
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Women are using it incorrectly if they mean your first example. Rape has a meaning. If you have rape fantasies, that means you fantasize about being raped. It doesn't mean aggressive sex with my hot boyfriend. It isn't a dominance fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 07:33 AM
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Then what does it mean? Men don't typically get the reputation of a 'tease'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 07:28 AM
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Otherwise the male sex drive would mean all men really want to be dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 07:20 AM
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Then you are fantasizing about sweet consensual loving sex, no? How do you think these fantasies actually go down in women's minds?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 07:16 AM
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Well then don't call it a fucking rape fantasy. Call it a 'my hot, disease-free boyfriend surprises me with sex through the window,, that I totally enjoy' fantasy. And we wonder why the word rape is losing meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 07:12 AM
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1 - what are your rape fantasies like? 2 - what do they look like when acted out? What are the similarities/differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 07:09 AM
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In a cage?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 06:51 AM
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Lol just caught it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 06:48 AM
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I would change your definition to mean that rape is un*wanted sex, not just from the person you don't want but possibly at the time you don't want. I guess whoever above you assumed sex was always wanted from a hot dude (aka hot dudes can't commit rape) which is silly. Edit - major mistype
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 06:36 AM
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It's about being forced to submit to a man, which...I think is very different from actual submission.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 04:32 AM
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Physical reactions don't not really mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 04:26 AM
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It's because of sperm competition. Women used to be gang banged into pregnancy. They actually have gang bang fantasies, not just rape ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 04:24 AM
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Men want to rape a woman and leave and women want to be raped and left.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 04:20 AM
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Rape by definition is unwanted sex. Forceful/aggressive sex from a specific chosen person is just consensual rough sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 04:19 AM
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I agree all sex used to be rape (women were never sexual selectors until recently) and women genuinely want to be raped. Safe words are for pussies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 04:17 AM
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But the whole point of the rape fantasy is being out of control. This isn't true of other fantasies. I think men would typically act on the chance to fulfill their sexual fantasies. Why do women fantasize about something they don't actually want to happen? That makes zero sense to me. If your fantasy is about having no control, why is having no control in the situation a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 04:11 AM
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Rape fantasies are a conundrum. If you want the rape, it's no longer rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:55 AM
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Having sex with a hot guy and it genuinely not having to take responsibility for it does seem like the female dream. Same with men fucking a hot woman and not having to take responsibility for what happens next.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:46 AM
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Yep just like sexual attention from an ugly dude is harassment. Same idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:42 AM
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No I think rape fantasies are about actual rape. Otherwise they would be "pushed up against the wall by my hot boyfriend" fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:41 AM
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I agree. Rape fantasies are about rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:40 AM
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Not dumb. They're just the type to not think for themselves. Lots of young people reject the messages their parents give them. I'd actually say most people go through such a phase. For example most of my Catholic school friends, who were raised very Catholic by their parents, became atheists as early as high school n
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:39 AM
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If you want to be raped, it is impossible to be raped
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:32 AM
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Personality is something entirely different and not sexually attractive at all. This is totally incorrect. TRP is essentially about changing your personality to attract women. You call it game, she calls it personality. It's how you come across to people as a result of your thoughts and demeanor. TRP tries to teach guys to straight up change both of those things. (They're not wrong to do so. You're just wrong to say personality isn't sexually attractive).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:23 AM
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I do mean that. Why do women want that? Paternity fraud makes more evolutionary sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 09:52 PM
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What part is inaccurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 04:06 AM
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I think liking the same things WOULD be boring. I enjoy political debates, I wouldn't mind being with someone who had different ideas than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 10:13 PM
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Why wouldn't it be wanted by the woman? You can maximize attractiveness for your daughters AND maximize resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 10:11 PM
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Ok I was just making a different point then. Women were never sexual selectors or husband selectors until relatively recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 10:00 PM
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He didn't say they were the same he said they shared one similar trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 09:50 PM
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I think his point is that they aren't attracted to those men. Looks is all that matters to women for actual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 09:22 PM
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Woah this could totally be true. A small portion of women are just slutting it up like champs out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 09:20 PM
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Pretty sure if you go around raping all the women, the men of the tribe will have something to say about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 08:49 PM
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It's risky though, if these are women in a tribe with fathers
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 08:48 PM
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One is definitely beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 08:47 PM
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This is why I disagree with the idea that women are the natural sexual selectors. I believe all sex used to basically be rape and then there was marriage which was determined by the men too. Women being sexual selectors is a new thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 08:38 PM
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You contradict yourself. You say women want to marry hot men because then their daughters will be beautiful which will allow them to secure resources. So you're saying women make the choice for good genes so that their daughters will make a choice for good income. But shouldn't those daughters have the same concern and marry a hot guy too, leaving the mom with less than exceptional resources/status and defeating the purpose?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 08:35 PM
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Sooo women have thresholds too, they're just set at her own perceived value
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 05:56 AM
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As to your drug analogy, a more accurate comparison is two coke addicts: one works and scrambles and steals and it's quite the hassle for him to get coke, but he does it because he likes it so much. The other is wealthy and has a good dealer and never needs to worry about finding their next bump. They're both doing coke though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 01:18 AM
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Sex is hard to get for men, so naturally, if you get lots of it, it is admirable. But there are lots of things that are hard to do that I think show bad character, like building and detonating a bomb at a closed event, or hijacking a plane. Do you think those men are admirable for doing something that is difficult? And the reverse for women. So a woman who has sex lacks character, and the woman who withholds sex doesn't necessarily have it. How can women ever have sex or character? What if there…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 01:11 AM
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No one claims female promiscuity was something to brag about. So character is based on your personal morality? Why does a woman who has sex with hot men have no character, in your opinion? Why does a promiscuous man have it? Does a woman who has no sex display character while a man who has no sex displays a lack of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 12:23 AM
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Not everything is bad just because it's easy. It's also easy to brush my teeth every day. Doing so doesn't show lack of character. And the thousand cock stare is nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 11:31 PM
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I think you're attributing the ambition of the most ambitious men to all men. Some men genuinely do not give a fuck about changing the world. Men occupy the extremes like with IQs - men are more likely to be geniuses but they're also more likely to be idiots. Men are more likely to be very ambitious but they're also more likely to be total deadbeats.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 10:54 PM
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If you had just said the female argument was that casual sex was meaningless I would've agreed. I read that sentence to mean that the "female argument" included your reasoning behind their claim that sexual attention is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 07:19 AM
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I don't think most modern marriages are based on the man purely committing finances while the woman is only committing her sexuality. They at least pretend to be more equal in their expectations. What you are describing is a covert contract at best nowadays. I think even they took "to obey" out of the traditional vows.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 06:18 AM
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Amazing how those people keep finding partners who want to marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 05:22 AM
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Extraneous means more than is needed, or too much of something to the point that it stops being beneficial
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 02:30 AM
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I'm still confused. How does this: The lesson is to embrace yourself, all of yourself, and grow all elements of yourself to be in balance with each other. have anything to do with not marrying and having kids? Aren't TRPs anti-marriage too?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 10:17 PM
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I went to this gov site and it calculates your BMI without asking your sex. Isn't it just height vs weight? It doesn't look like they put those results on a different scale for men vs women: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 09:52 PM
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Not every man who doesn't follow TRP is a MGTOW. I think the commenter's point was that you can be that well-rounded version of yourself and still find what you want with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 09:46 PM
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I just disagree that being in a relationship solves these people's problems. They're just using the other person to avoid them. It's why in NA they advise you not to start a relationship within the first year of sobriety. You need to establish some stability and happiness independent of anyone else. Otherwise you'll enter the type of relationship that will send you right back to your addiction the moment that person stops being what you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 09:44 PM
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They need someone who will help them get to the root of their problems and find happiness within themselves independent of others. In the relationships you described, that clearly didn't happen. That woman let her well-being depend completely on another person and look at what happened once he wasn't in her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 09:07 PM
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Why does embracing balance in your life necessarily mean you have to give up on romantic relationships with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 09:03 PM
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Well the skinny guy will make a way better valet
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 08:43 PM
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It really depends on how fat and how skinny. If we're going with extremes, sure skinny guy can't lift much at all. But hey maybe skinny guy can fix your computer. Usefulness isn't based 100% on ability to lift things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 08:17 PM
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Those people are avoiding dealing with their problems themselves by being perpetual branch-swingers. That kind of happiness isn't sustainable nor is it real, as shown by that divorcee you knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 08:05 PM
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How are those statistical exceptions? Don't about 45% of first marriages last? That's hardly an insignificant portion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:49 PM
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Then you are thinking of built-fat. Real fatties are a huffin and a puffin
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:12 PM
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A more fair but admittedly not perfect comparison would be to look at obese men verses overweight women. Why would this make more sense? Women store weight more easily they should never have as low of a BMI as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:10 PM
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it's a common trope that the husband stops noticing his wife and the effort she puts in like new haircuts
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:06 PM
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And TRP advises men to date women of lower SMV so they can have that same control
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 06:00 AM
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So you think women do admit to being too picky?? You said in your previous comment that it had nothing to do with being too picky. You know women who readily admit that they are only alone because the top 1% of men or whatever isn't interested in a relationship with them? How is that not confessing to being too picky? I think you give women more credit for self-awareness than they deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 11:57 PM
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Well sure, women say that casual sex/sexual attention is meaningless..they do not ever claim that the reason for this is anything close to because they want relationships with with the 3.5 apex males in their city, and don't care about anyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 10:47 PM
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OWILT...catchy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 09:08 AM
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This is almost too red pill to believe it wasn't written by someone who literally knows the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 09:00 AM
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The feminist men are. Normal men are the ones that are doing something. This is a ridiculous claim. What are "normal men" doing, specifically about these issues? Other than "not doing nothing" lol. The typical, non-feminist/MRA man doesn't give a fuck and definitely doesn't take action about this issue. How does men not marrying have anything to do with pedophile teachers?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 08:28 AM
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Your parents chose to make those stupid financial decisions. Why do they like her so much more than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:03 AM
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There's no way that's the major cost of raising a child. And besides, just tell your daughter she's too young to wear makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 04:10 AM
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I'm pretty sure she knows she has that option and is as opportunistic as anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 04:07 AM
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It's hard to imagine a man becoming a successful lawyer and then a judge without the necessary alpha social skills (leadership, confidence etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:58 AM
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So men are also largely defending these women, since most of them do and say nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:55 AM
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Maybe if the girl "stole" her boyfriend or something...same as guys use it when their girl cheats. If she says it to her friends it's friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:54 AM
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What about the not-hot teacher?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:52 AM
1

Is it beta men that write laws and sentence criminals?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:49 AM
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Many men here say they don't worry about the boys because they probably fantasized about it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 03:41 AM
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Do you think there would be harsher punishment in the case of a female teacher and a female victim? Are the punishments really shorter because of a "pussy pass" or is it because there is less damage done to the victim? Many people in this thread have said they don't worry about the young boys at all. So what if it was a young girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 01:34 AM
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Men in this thread have said they'd feel lucky if it happened to them. I'm guessing you believe the victims of these teachers suffer some kind of damage?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 01:31 AM
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It was somewhere in the Wikipedia article he linked. I'm not exactly sure but I think neotenenous features inspire protection and compassion in people (we don't like to see cute things get hurt) which gives one that social power.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 01:18 AM
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What do you mean their "neoteny levels"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 04:31 PM
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I think when some people hear "attracted to teenagers" they are imagining a very young-looking, undeveloped girl. Men aren't attracted to what is childlike in teens, they are attracted to their sexual mature features. It's not about age just sexual maturity, which girls reach at very different ages. Like you said, some look like they are in their twenties. But people who call "pedophile" are imagining the girl who still looks 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 04:30 PM
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The outward role playing necessitates looking the part. I think the majority don't go through with the surgery and just take enough hormones to pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 04:21 PM
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But they're not serious either. Those words are terms of endearment amongst female friends nowadays. Maybe a girl uses it seriously about a girl who cheats or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 04:13 PM
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It's not women's fault either. Just like it's not men's fault for being exclusively are attracted to very young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 03:58 PM
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That isn't always true, or maybe it's changing. The people I knew who voted for Bernie didn't say things like "such and such program/policy is the right thing to do," they were more like, "no more student loans for me? I'M DOWN."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:24 PM
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Wow, he was better looking back then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:17 PM
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Even if it is what women do, I never ever hear them admit to it. Women don't actually think they're being that picky. They come up with reasons other than pickiness for being alone. I have never in my life heard a woman say that she is single because she will only date the top 1% of eligible men or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:16 PM
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That's a far cry from only wanting to date the top 3 men in a town. That article says that women's standards are to find someone they care deeply for who has a house and a car. The women themselves don't even express those opinions, they are being told by someone else what their standards are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:13 PM
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Well you constructed a "female argument" out of the pillsphere that I don't see expressed very commonly at all. Isn't creating the 'other team's' argument with nothing to back it up basically a strawman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 05:08 AM
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Why would one sex have two possible roles? Were they both beneficial really?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 04:48 AM
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I think he's saying that your description of "women's argument" is a strawman with no basis
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 04:13 AM
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Why would this have evolved? It seems strange to me that excess hair everywhere else on the body is seen as masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 01:51 AM
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So he broke up with you? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 01:20 AM
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Why is hair (especially long and thick hair) attractive/feminine on a woman's head? Why is hair masculine everywhere else on the body? Those things are actually sexually mature traits. You will not find a sexually mature woman (even at 13) without leg and armpit hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 01:18 AM
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Why should TRP love virginity if you still branch swung to a hotter guy than your first? Seems like being high SMV still beats finding a virgin in terms of a woman being able to love you to the point of alpha widowhood. From your experiences, it just seems it's more important to find a woman who has already peaked SMV-wise than it is to find a virgin, since it sounds like you left feeling you could do better. Why did you mention social media? Does that affect how attractive you have found variou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:58 AM
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Yeah, I guess hair means you are healthy, as women who are nutrient deficient sometimes stop menstruating and/or start losing hair. Still doesn't explain why it's only preferred longer on the head or why it isn't seen as a sign of health and virility in men (although I think at times it has been?)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:51 PM
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Huh. I've only found a little butt hair when I went looking for the butthole.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:40 PM
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You know what I'm curious about? Why is long head hair considered feminine but less head hair is masculine? It seems that everywhere else on the body, longer hair is masculine and no hair is feminine, but men don't like baldies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:30 PM
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I think there's light hair by the entrance for biological, "keep germs out" reasons but it doesn't seem noticeable enough that most women should have to shave it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:25 PM
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Isn't it only hairy just right by the entrance though? Does she have ass cheek hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:23 PM
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I heard that this is tied to humans using the missionary position for sex while most mammals mount from behind. The breasts replace the buttocks as sexual stimuli and allow for greater pair bonding during face-to-face sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:15 PM
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Can 16 year olds even use the website?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:11 PM
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The Wikipedia article said women with neotenous features were preferred across the board regardless of their actual age. Things like big wide set eyes and petite noses and chins don't really go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 10:08 PM
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Who wouldn't jump on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 06:00 PM
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Was there a survey done about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 04:03 PM
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I think collectivists just often think that what's good for society and what's good for themselves as one in the same. Still self-interested
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 04:00 PM
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If you don't buy into the morals that society has decided upon you're free to GTFO and live non-collectively by yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 03:58 PM
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I think her question is why is hairless what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 03:40 PM
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So does hair, which is what her OP is about. Hair should also separate the women who are old enough to bear children from those who are too young.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 03:33 PM
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Is that true about breasts in history? It seems like old paintings of fancy women always contain large breasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 03:31 PM
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I thought I read in there that females also found some neoteny in males attractive since it denotes more social power. Obviously men select more for it but it talked about humans' general neoteny relative to other species being a result of both genders selecting for more intelligent mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 03:28 PM
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That's not a role though. Women raise babies, betas provide for them...does the alpha have a natural role?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 09:11 AM
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Lol wut
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 08:45 AM
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Surely women can be attracted to men who are more beta than they are alpha (that's how I define "beta"). A man could have all the positive beta traits with just enough alpha thrown in there to be attractive. He'd still be mostly beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 02:49 AM
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Betas trying to be alphas is just as unnatural as women trying to be men. RP men are striving to fight against their instincts and their natural role, which won't make them satisfied in the long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 02:45 AM
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Yes discipline is beta
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 02:39 AM
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Yeah I think providing anything to women is beta
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 02:37 AM
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Lifting shows FTO which is beta, especially if it's done with the sole purpose of looking hotter to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 02:35 AM
3

What is the alpha's role in nature/civilization?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 02:32 AM
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Nicholson isn't ugly. Show me Steve Buscemi being able to pull hotties with his status and personality (maybe he does I have no idea)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:10 AM
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Do you disagree with the TRP concept of "watch what they do not what they say"? Don't you think actions can be misleading? Men complain about lead on in the friend zone all the time. Are they also wrong to feel misled?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:04 AM
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I honestly don't understand this mentality at all. the look of envy on my neighbor/coworkers face when I peel out would be worth every red cent It sounds like something that TRP would make fun of women for saying about making their friends jealous with a high status boyfriend or something. And obviously non-wealthy, mortal men are able to get laid. As far as alpha/beta goes, the alpha/attractive option is clearly the one that doesn't depend on other people for validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 11:55 PM
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Did that dude alpha widow you? Did he take your virginity? Can you really say he was low SMV if he was masculine and attractive to you? Did you go out and snag someone better than him?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 11:42 PM
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It's not like if those women were thinner they would still be dating the same guys...they would move up a bracket. More fun for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 11:25 PM
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now the skinny ones are like lady chads
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 11:24 PM
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What changes is the satisfaction one gets from knowing they are better/have it better than their peers. seems like a pretty feminine mindset. isn't that kind of social competition for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 11:24 PM
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How is it not a male strategy? Their strategy before was "be beta bucks," and TRP is telling them to change that strategy to "be alpha fucks."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 09:55 PM
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Yep just like social skills won't make you attracted to an ugly lady
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 09:53 PM
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Beta doesn't mean worse it's better in most ways
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 09:51 PM
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I prefer to think it is only an action.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 09:08 PM
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Well they asked red pill, your answer is unwanted here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 07:59 PM
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I just don't get why it's something that "works" on men the way negging works on women. Nagging is not even manipulative. She simply asks for what she wants until she gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 07:43 PM
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I'm not saying anyone is at fault. I am just trying to explain how women end up feeling led on. It is because they practice, "looking at what he does, not what he says." Another man read what you called "FWB stuff" and said it was total beta bux middle school shit. I think those kinds of actions clearly imply that you like someone. Again, I'm not blaming the man. I absolutely do think women are retarded for not communicating their feelings honestly. I'm just explaining why they start to let them…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 06:14 PM
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Actually blue is the most common favorite color of both genders. Many would say it is a tranquil color, for the same reasons you listed (ocean, sky). Men should prefer red as it signifies blood and action. I think green is a feminine color since it's like mother earth. Suddenly, in the 50s, blue was the boy color, which it never was before, and same with pink for girls. We all have different opinions about what is masculine and feminine; colors especially are arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 06:12 PM
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A friend of mine told me, "if you want to make a man emotional, get inside his head; you want to make a woman emotional, get inside her body." He said men are more likely to be butthurt by little insulting things while women can brush you off until you've been inside them. I think that matches what the female posters have said here, that those words would only hurt coming from a man that they really cared about. And then, I imagine they would be devastating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 06:06 PM
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Ok...how the fuck does nagging work at getting commitment? It is not exactly "manipulation" in the sense that negging is, since with negging, the words don't match the intention. Nagging is just straight up repeating demands until they are done.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 06:02 PM
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These are examples of several similar experiences women I know have went through. Even the guy I was responding to said that those are normal FWB behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 06:01 PM
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I agree that gossip is boring. I think bitching is futile and a few times per week is too much for a man imo. Your girlfriend's social experiences don't say anything about women across different ages and social groups. All it really says it that your girlfriend is almost definitely a gossipy bitch. People don't become friends with bitchy gossipers unless they enjoy that kind of social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 05:37 PM
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Lol, I agree. They all had to go somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:46 PM
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The idea was that you could shame parents out of reusing clothes for children of different sexes. I think it was Macy's that first started separate lines of baby clothing for boys and girls. Before, you could dress your baby boy in his big sister's hand-me-downs. Now he would be laughed at and you would be seen as poor, for not having him in what suddenly was "traditional" blue boy clothes. People used to not give a shit what babies wore. Now they kinda do. The more prevalent the gender roles, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:41 PM
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What exactly defines "bitching?" Is it any different than when a man complains about his coworkers? Is it gossiping when a guy is saying how much he hates his friend's new girlfriend to their other buddies? If you're going to say that every woman will complain or tell stories about her friends at some point in her adult life, I can only agree in so far as the same being true of every man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:33 PM
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Your idea of male emotion and connection to sexuality is interesting and not quite how I've heard it described before.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:30 PM
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Oh Charlie sheen so has a TRP account
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:28 PM
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I'm pretty sure most corporations benefit from gender roles etc. We all know why pink and blue became the colors for girls and boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:28 PM
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I think it's more that they will take his boyfriend-y actions to have greater significance than the one time he said he didn't want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:25 PM
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Lol do you have the song for every occasion today?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:23 PM
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Because the females have said they wouldn't care and the males are incredulous at their responses. One even admitted that he would be hurt by those things, so perhaps there is a bit of male projection going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:21 PM
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I think men are just as guilty as saying one thing and doing another. They will say, "this is not a relationship, this is totally no-strings-attached," and then a couple of weeks into it is doing cutesy boyfriend things. Women use the "watch what he does, not what he says" rule, and get hurt. I'm not saying any of this is wrong or necessitates some kind of obligation, only that this is how women turn out feeling led on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:19 PM
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That hasn't been my experience. Actually the sweet ones I think are more likely to do girly things like gossip. The confident and aggressive female friends I have tend to also be positive, energetic, and usually too excited about whatever they're doing to give two shits what other people are doing. These are my female friends that tend to not even have Facebook etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:13 PM
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Did you mean this to be a reply to a different comment? I'm talking about men who will act like they want commitment while saying that they don't. Chicago is old btw you're overlooking what MY generation grew up with which was "get low" and other music in which male performers focus on sex and the female body.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:07 PM
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They don't talk like red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 03:34 PM
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The results of said thought experiment seem to support the idea of the male ego being more fragile than that of females.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 03:34 PM
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What? Depictions of men talking amongst themselves rarely matches how men communicate on TRP. Men hang out alone with other men. Men make movies and TV. Everyone should know what it's like when men talk amongst themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 03:32 PM
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TRP doesn't work, the placebo effect works
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 03:30 PM
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What are you talking about with 'men want something lasting?' Men have made it abundantly clear on this sub that what they want is sex while it is women who want the lastingness of commitment. Do you disagree with TRP on that? Also that one Elle Knight song is in a rare category. You usually hear sentiments like hers from men about women (i.e. toot it and boot it; I got hoes in different area codes). Knight's song stands out because most women don't push those messages of not wanting commitment …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 03:28 PM
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Why isn't this represented at all on the media so that it wouldn't be surprising?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 03:06 PM
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Obviously you're not obligated to do any of that but you also can't honestly say you didn't lead that person on. Especially if when you don't tell them how little they mean to you, your actions make it seem like they mean something to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 03:02 PM
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Yeah and guys complain when girls don't wear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:57 PM
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How the fuck does nagging make men want to sleep with women? Nagging makes women less attractive and is like the least subtle form of manipulation I can imagine. What comparison are you trying to make?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:56 PM
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It genuinely encourages dishonesty. Plus, many women actually operate by the TRP saying, "watch what they do, not what they say." A man may tell a woman, "this is totally no-strings-attached, got it? No relationship will come out of this," and she may agree. But two weeks later, he is making her breakfast, signing his texts with "xoxox," watching cutesy movies with her, and generally doing and saying boyfriend things. This, in my opinion, is why women will feel lied to sometimes. The guy's words…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:54 PM
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Most women I know are smart and self-respecting enough to not have gossipy bitches for friends after high school. Who could even try to maintain friendships with people they couldn't trust actually liked them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:46 PM
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Calling a group of women ugly is a red pill move?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:42 PM
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So even if she would be offended by it, you would be too, suggesting it is not a gendered thing. The incredulity from males in this thread at females' responses to this suggests (the long-held stereotype) that the male ego truly is more fragile.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:41 PM
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When a man lies to a woman what does he usually want? When a woman lies to a man what does she usually want? What are the correct answers to this? I think most lying is done to sort of maintain appearances or make one seem better than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:34 PM
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Men seem to want sex more but women seem to enjoy it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:59 PM
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What surveys? I'm curious how the subjects were approached and by who.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:57 PM
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It's the apex fallacy; RPers apply the queen bee's actions to all women like women apply Chad's actions to all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 04:31 PM
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Where do you guys think "emotional maturity" comes from exactly? What part of the body does this develop from?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 03:57 PM
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Well wtf do you think he is talking about being done maturing? Where do you think emotions come from? Or language skills? He is clearly talking about mental capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 03:48 PM
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That's what happened to Steven Avery, and it's horrible, but in that case it was clearly the fault of the police being falsely convinced that it was him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 10:37 PM
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Why do these women think you're a potential rapist? There's a lot you can do to soothe that anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 10:14 PM
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Well sounds like you work somewhere that attracts dummies. You're much less likely to notice your incompetent male colleagues because of your own bias as well as because they're less likely to ask for help.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 07:30 PM
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Is this at work? Unless you're a teacher I can't imagine an environment where it'd be cool for you to spend a significant amount of time helping people you aren't being paid to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 03:36 PM
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Ugh but that ruins the symmetry of the words
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 03:34 PM
1

How do you know she only got her job due to quotas?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 03:33 PM
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A woman liking men taller/stronger than her than cannot be considered hypergamy. If we assortatively mated then most women would be with a man who was taller than them because men are taller on average. And men usually prefer women to be shorter than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 10:06 PM
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But the fact that there are exceptions means NAWALT is true, not AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 05:34 AM
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Yes but some women do enjoy it..lady said those female brains must operate totally different from her female brain
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 11:56 PM
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You acknowledging that NAWALT even exists is something new
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 11:12 PM
1

So NAWALT I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:38 PM
1

I have literally never met an unemployed or broke engineer. Same seems to go for people who majored in economics
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:38 PM
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Is unemployment a problem for male engineers? The common knowledge as far as I hear is that if you're getting an engineering degree, you'll never want for a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 02:47 AM
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Even the females?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 12:47 AM
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I have read the sidebar I don't think TRP says anything about a male imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 12:41 AM
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I think that individual women who do undertake those kinds of jobs actually do want to work hard. It's not their fault the feminism boogeyman makes it seem like they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 12:34 AM
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What is the female imperative? Like what is their goal? What is the male imperative?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 11:02 PM
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I thought men making the majority of the income (and therefore paying most of the taxes) was something feminism was against and trying to correct too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 10:51 PM
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Yeah I'm extremely interested in what your standards for regular guy and demi god are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 04:50 PM
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You think the process of life is probably harder on women? That's very possible. Women's lives on average change more after marriage. They don't just become someone's wife, more often than not they become the primary caretaker of a household. Men benefit more physically and psychologically from marriage than women do too; men's rates of depression decrease after marriage while women's don't change. Before the current divorce laws, men benefited more from marriage than women did.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 04:49 PM
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Well what women bring isn't that huge and it's not specific to any particular woman so they're interchangeable at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 04:46 PM
1

If the pool of attractive men was actually increasing naturally then TRP wouldn't have to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 04:45 PM
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"Women hope men will change after marriage, but they don't"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 04:44 PM
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I wonder what you did to qualify as a super human demi god...or if you were really just being a regular guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:21 AM
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I thought you said men didn't really change in marriage. Now you're saying often they change enough to cancel out previous attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:19 AM
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Except that I love and adore my parents and have since I've been able to recognize my love for anything..
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:18 AM
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Marriage is typically harder on women, otherwise it wouldn't change them so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:16 AM
3

Sounds more like men are the doers and the accomplishers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:13 AM
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Men initiate everything in a relationship. Men propose.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:08 AM
1

Being both predictable and dangerous is impressive tho
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:05 AM
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False
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:04 AM
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I don't think they have any real regrets about their relationship, it's not like they realistically could have acted like we do today back then, but I think they are maybe a little jealous of the freedoms I seem to have compared to them. Not really jealous, more they can't understand why a young person today would choose to settle down early when there is so much more available to them. They get excited for me when I talk about school and travel, not relationship prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:48 PM
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Same with mine, they were 20 and 21. They are so loving and sweet but both have implored me to wait for marriage and kids. I think TRP has romanticized the idea of these old school marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:29 PM
1

I'm not. We can talk about women if you'd like, snake charmer
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:27 PM
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The women in my family always worked, what's changed is the type of work women are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:26 PM
1

Some women still of course want a provider but for the ones who can provide their lifestyle for themselves, they are choosing for everything other than your income (to an extent, they still don't marry hot hobos).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:25 PM
1

Weird BPer worried that her boyfriend can't find dates...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:23 PM
1

Is there a big age difference with your grandparents or was g-pa young too?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:22 PM
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The quality of men has undeniably decreased at a similar rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:21 PM
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Women actually send more messages to less attractive men than men send to less attractive women. Women will rate men worse but go on to still message those men. Men all message the top % of hotties.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 08:18 PM
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When someone is used for sex, it's usually implied that she was led on to believe that the emotional relationship would come after. It's exactly the reverse of your man in the friend zone. What makes you so sure that women undoubtedly do lead friend zoned men on, and also positive that men don't lead women on to get casual sex? How can you say using someone for emotional validation is definitely manipulative while using someone for sex is not? Are there women that would at least let you orbit th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 05:12 PM
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Idk any cobras
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 04:35 PM
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How do they overpower these men? There must usually be drugs involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 09:18 PM
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That's pretty amazing. I have to wonder how "forced to penetrate" rape goes down in the moment. I guess a fear boner is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 08:59 PM
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This is what I figure. AF is irrelevant, most men were going to be BB anyway with the same resulting problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 08:53 PM
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That appears to be about the age at which a woman first has sex, not about number of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 08:50 PM
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Well ime they complain more about the ones they used to date and enjoy bragging/competing over how her current boyfriend loves her the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 08:13 PM
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When someone tells you that women don't care for being used for casual sex, you respond "it's still something, it's still validation." Now I don't believe men really care for being used for emotional support, but hey, it's still something, it's still validation. So what that you got used, it's better than nothing right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:54 PM
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By committed do you just mean married?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:44 PM
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So by choosing to be with men who are superior to them, women try to ensure that they will always have his parental/protective love?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:34 PM
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When women complain about dating assholes I guess I always imagine these are attractive guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:25 PM
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I think hot guys can get away with the most..isn't they're that hierarchy of power that goes hot men, hot women, ugly women, ugly men? Since they have the most social power I'd think they could more easily get away with shitty behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:51 PM
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Sometimes "because boys then girls too" is a perfectly fine conclusion to make. She is correct that TRP too often dismisses such arguments by saying "it's different because boys and girls are just different" and it's a total cop out. You haven't actually explained why it would apply to one and not to the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:43 PM
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I'm sure you'd have no problem being a friendzoned orbiter right? There is value in emotional connection and time spent together.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:40 PM
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Or actually learn to tell the difference between the good ones and the bad ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:35 PM
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Hot girls have to be mean or else everyone thinks they're her new best friend/boyfriend. Hot guys are nice though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:34 PM
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Are you small?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 06:12 PM
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But if they're attractive...then why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 06:11 PM
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Because women wanting it gives men power. Plus if you take out the current legal system, it's shown men benefit more (physically, psychologically) from marriage than women do. Women become more likely to get depressed after marriage while the opposite is true of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 02:16 PM
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I think there's a tear running down his cheek...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 10:49 PM
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The most masculine men are fucking other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 10:48 PM
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Are most men like Donald? Would they prefer to have a hotter wife that he knew only loved him for his money?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 01:56 AM
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I don't think they care at all. They know exactly what's happening here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 01:52 AM
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You think chemistry trumps looks in attraction? That seems inconsistent with everything I've read. Besides "chemistry" is fickle and intangible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 10:20 PM
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Yes they say sex decreases a woman's value and is detrimental to her as a partner, more so than is true for men. I think having a kid decreases her value and detriments her even more than simple sex would. Wouldn't you agree that's a sacrifice that only she is making?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:56 PM
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Lol I can agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:55 PM
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Again, there'd be nothing to respond to if he didn't propose. He makes his selection first. Sure, she decides whether or not to select him back. That doesn't remove any responsibility from him for choosing to ask that specific woman. He chose her to ask. If she turns out to be bad, he shouldn't proposed. If he turns out to be bad, she shouldn't have said yes. Each are equally responsible for their own happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:25 PM
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A proposition IS a selection. In what way is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:14 PM
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He's ultimately responsible because she'd have nothing to say yes to if he didn't select her first. Again, stop taking agency away from men. They need to vet their partners better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:06 PM
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The blame is on her. She chose him. If she didn't vet him sufficiently for character, that's her fault. He might be a shitty human being, but it's on her for picking a shitty human being. It's not naivete, it's tingles. Yes, but ultimately it's the women who choose. Men display, women choose. Women pick the men they fuck and marry. You are trying to put all the responsibility on the woman for choosing a husband of poor moral character. That's fine as long as you put all the responsibility on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:00 PM
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So they start at their own SMV (which they consistently overestimate - can provide sources if you need them) and then keep working down the totem pole until someone says yes, right? Every woman a man pursues is a choice. Just because she accepts his offer doesn't mean he has to go through with it (sex or marriage). It still ultimately requires his "yes." Stop trying to remove male agency when it comes to partner selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:33 PM
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I have read about how women select on this sub. Apparently women go to bars and wait to be approached and basically give a yes/no answer to the men who approach them. I've seen many complaints from men online about women not approaching. The OKCupid study shows that men will always go after the hottest women first, regardless of his own SMV. There are multiple studies showing that men overestimate their own SMV which might explain why they think they have a shot with those women. Since men are u…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:10 PM
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TRP clearly states that women are MORE effected by sex (more damaged by promiscuity) so why is it such a wild claim that actually having a baby and being the default caretaker of said child has MORE of an effect on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:05 PM
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Do you disagree with how I described male selection? Going for the most attractive and working his way down until he finds someone agreeable? Are you saying women approach now? Most here seem to agree that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:32 PM
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You don't get to define what RP is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:31 PM
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Oh so it's not sexist in RP land to say that women are more affected by sex than men are, but it is sexist to say that women are more affected by childbirth and parenthood than men are?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:31 PM
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I'm not saying you should fret about it. That's your reality. I'm just saying that objectively the woman puts in more work for something that the man may ultimately benefit more from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:30 PM
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Read the sidebar again
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:29 PM
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What's funny is that you actually described the male pattern of selection. They start by pursuing the hottest ones, then work his way down until he finds someone willing to fuck him. Are you disagreeing that this is how things work?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:29 PM
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Men are the pursuers. Men are the selectors. Women don't pursue and propose to men. A man proposing is the ultimate selection and he should see it as such. The man always selects before the woman accepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:05 PM
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Continuing to work and being a shoulder to cry on isn't comparable to the changes her life and body will go through. Women's lives change much more after marriage/children than men's do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:02 PM
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I never said women have no responsibility of choice, only that men absolutely do as well. In fact, men get to choose from all the women in the world, while women only get to say yes/no to the limited options of men who pursue them. Both parties are 100% responsible for their own sexual selection. Men on TRP don't like this responsibility so they say AWALT to make themselves feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:59 PM
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Men pick who they pursue and who they propose to. Stop shirking the weight of your own decisions and take some fucking responsibility for who you put your dick in and who you put a ring on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:33 PM
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She does 100% of the labor for something they both want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:25 PM
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You really think male sexuality is that rational? You think his boner cares WHY you look less attractive? Everywhere on TRP we see that male attraction is 100% physical/visual until it gets to the ugly truth that men will all absolutely become less attractive to their wives as they age. Then suddenly male sexuality is based on reason and honor.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:24 PM
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It's still something that she bore 100% of the brunt of for the both of them. Chances are she'll continue to do most of the work for something that benefits him too. He may even come to benefit from it more since dads usually get to be the fun parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:21 PM
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Exactly, somehow male honor is supposed to overcome male biology - it's ridiculous. You're right, the idea that a man's attraction will be less affected because of the specific reason a woman gained weight is just so obviously unrealistic. Wife goggles feed into the male imperative by telling RPW that if they're good little housewives, their husbands will always see them as attractive. It's the same kind of Disney lie that red pill men complain about. No one's attraction is based on moral charac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:19 PM
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Male biology is to want sex with young women right? What is this ridiculous idea of male honor overcoming male biology? You don't deny female biology so stop denying your own. All men wish they had younger wives after a certain point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:06 PM
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RPW aren't trying to marry RP men who are consciously thinking about their relative SMVs. A person's RMV can increase while their SMV decreases. That being said, wife goggles are a lie to make women think marriage is the best option for them when actually women wanting marriage is good for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:03 PM
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Then let's blame everyone in MRP for their shitty wife choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 05:55 PM
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Relationship market value
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 05:49 PM
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Women overestimate their RMV while men overestimate their SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 05:49 PM
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It's definitely a tenet of TRP that women can't respect and therefore can't be attracted to a man who makes less than she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 05:48 PM
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That really sucks. I'd probably hire someone to threaten her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 04:07 PM
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No that's RMV. Why do we even have two different phrases if one is entirely disregarded?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 03:54 PM
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Do you think women who try to reenter the workforce after years of no experience are taken seriously by employers? They could have whatever qualifying degree they need and they will lose every time to the recent grads or simply experienced people they are competing against.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:37 PM
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Stay out mah business
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:33 PM
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I agree with everything you said. Wife goggles are a lie fed to RPW to get them to feed directly into the male imperative. Advising women to marry older men is terrible advice because to the man who's interested in marrying younger, no you won't always seem like the young one, your youth will be what he always loved about you and he will love you less every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:55 PM
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Lmao at bad grandpa spinning plates
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:37 PM
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But I have a hard time believing that a man that demands youth in a wife isn't going to be unhappy when his wife is no longer youthful. This just makes sense to me. If youth is what he most values in you, you'll lose more value to him as you lose that quality, as compared to someone who values qualities that are longer-lasting in you. You shouldn't expect people to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:33 PM
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You don't think the kids were something she did for you as much as she did for herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:23 PM
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If you can't trust you can't be trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:21 PM
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But I have to say purely anecdotally that a diagnosis of severe or terminal illness often seems to bring out the best in a spouse/partner. Doesn't matter if man or woman. In most of the cases I have seen in real-life their partners have been nothing but supportive. This is what I've seen as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:06 PM
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Is it worse than being alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:01 PM
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More than unhappy men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:28 AM
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That is a beta's job. Has been since the dawn of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:20 PM
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It's expensive af to make babies. Governments need to incentivize young parenthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:18 PM
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Why aren't the unhappy women on the internet? Where are the surveys about men getting happier? I thought the destruction of gender roles was making them feel worse too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:18 PM
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Well for friendships you can always orbit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:16 PM
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I hear the huge dongers are a major factor
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:15 PM
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I see men in the city doing this all the time too..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:12 PM
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No reason to settle down in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:01 AM
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He still has no reason to stop sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 02:21 AM
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If a man's alpha enough then nobody locks him down. Basically any man that marries makes himself into beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 03:46 PM
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Virgins can't handle alpha men and alpha men don't care for virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 03:45 PM
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Why were you banned from TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 05:16 PM
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My theory is more that at a young age, their interests match up more with those of the opposite sex. Growing up, all the role models and people in the media that they can relate to are the opposite sex and subconsciously they realize that in order to live the life they imagine for themselves they would have to be a member of the opposite sex. I think they experience a lot of anger and frustration at whatever limitations they feel they were born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 05:16 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 04:23 PM
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If someone didn't want to fuck pretty soon after meeting I'd probably write them off as not liking me, or at least not being particularly attracted to me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 04:23 PM
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But she's never enjoyed sex and you expect that behavior to change for you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 04:18 PM
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Imo you have to specify that this will never be more than sex and make sure your actions match that promise (actions can be more misleading as words) in order to say you didn't lead a woman on
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 03:48 PM
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I've always thought women spin plates more than men do
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 03:44 PM
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Does the man see it any differently though? You can use whatever excuse you want, in his mind you're just not fucking him and are more likely to be forgotten
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 03:37 PM
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That sounds like a reasonable explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 03:30 PM
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I have no reason to believe they are more than theories on the internet that contradict everything I've seen in real life. This article explains how even that OKCupid study shows that men are more likely to shoot out of their league than women are: https://psmag.com/louis-c-k-on-assortative-mating-why-do-men-overestimate-their-own-level-of-attractiveness-5846af096a61#.icv7eu71b This one references multiple studies showing that men overestimate their own attractiveness while women do not: https:/…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 12:48 AM
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Are men's sexual tastes really that malleable that they can be significantly influenced by something like the fat acceptance movement? I would think it was more biologically informed than socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 12:07 AM
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If you were doing that every weekend I'd say yes you're an 8. If you're banging Brad Pitt every weekend you're a 10+
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 11:48 PM
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What's the incentive for women to do their duty to society? It was said that the incentive for men used to be a woman and a child. While positive reinforcement was used for men it seems only negative reinforcement was used for women (ie do what you're supposed to or be disowned/stoned to death) and never any actual incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 11:47 PM
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Yes your RMV
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 10:12 PM
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Then you attach different values to them. If you'd fuck her but not commit to her then her SMV is higher than her RMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:46 PM
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You might indirectly contribute to a flawed system like a drug addict does but obviously that's preferable to raping someone
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:20 PM
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I don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:19 PM
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Yes I'm familiar with TRP's examples and they don't hold true in real life. I've never met a woman who wasn't insecure in her looks or thought she was less attractive than she was.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:18 PM
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If your friend is willing to trade his audi for your car every weekend I think he finds them suitably comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:17 PM
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That means 10s are actively pursuing her though. Not for relationships but for sex of course. But it's not like she's pursuing them. They choose her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:16 PM
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Most women don't have causal sex, from what I've heard and seen
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:15 PM
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You bring your friends? Is this a gang bang at Ruth's?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:12 PM
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So you'd LTR/marry any girl you'd have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:11 PM
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This seems irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:09 PM
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So you agree with OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:09 PM
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This is one of the most annoying TRP cliches. Just because you don't date men doesn't mean you can't make observations about them. Why does everything have to be relevant to you specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 07:08 PM
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I was specifically talking about the fact that incels will refuse to use a prostitute, which I clearly referenced in that comment. The drug addict could also steal from his dealer but that's an unreasonable risk to take. Why would you rape someone if you can just pay some money, not hurt anyone, and get everything you need? I mean, if they really "needed" it, I think they would probably rape women. Just like drug addicts stoop to theft and violence when their body is really in need of their subs…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:45 AM
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Oh well I don't believe above average men struggle that much
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:39 AM
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I specifically said they should use prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:31 AM
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Or maybe it's just what has worked on them and they don't consider that other women might be down for sex before they get commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:22 AM
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I'll have to find it in the comments but someone posted a study showing that men do consistently rate themselves higher than other people rate them. I believe I've read the opposite is true of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:15 AM
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My point about his weirdness affecting his SMV stands
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:14 AM
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When a guy goes out and wants sex, most of the time he will only bring one girl home with him. It's safe to assume he'll take home the most attractive of his readily available options.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:13 AM
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Are you saying that seeing a prostitute and raping someone are essentially the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:12 AM
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Monica was hot. Any woman would have been easy for the most powerful man in the country to bed btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:09 AM
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If she keeps fucking 9s indefinitely, then her smv is effectively 9 So you agree
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:08 AM
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Ok if we're talking fairness let's talk blame. This disparity was not caused by women. It's 100% the result of men's low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:07 AM
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I don't see what that has to do with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:05 AM
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What do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:05 AM
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Sounds you really like the big mac. No need to be ashamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:04 AM
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That would obviously be a really unusual case. The way the sex market works, men approach women for sex. If she is being consistently propositioned by 9s, who should have enough options that they don't have to dip that far below them very often, then yes she's a 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 02:29 AM
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Or would it mean they have equal RMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 02:11 AM
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That is just ridiculous to say that no women ever have sex with 5s. If a man is an incel he is not a 5
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 02:10 AM
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It's possible he's mistaken about his looks
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 02:06 AM
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If she is consistently fucking an 8 or multiple 8s, she must be an 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 02:06 AM
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If guys didn't have such low standards it would even things out. I agree with this part 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 02:04 AM
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His weirdo status affects his SMV enough that he's not above average in attractiveness. If he was, he'd have options for sex without struggling. High value men have sexual options, by definition. Idc if you see him as high value or above average. The marketplace disagrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 01:57 AM
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It's basic supply and demand. Pussy is in higher demand so it has higher value. OTOH men have a higher average RMV for the reason that relationships are what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 01:28 AM
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Which is what so many incels do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 11:20 PM
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Everyone knows life isn't fair
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 11:09 PM
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Is anyone talking about fairness? It's a free market.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 07:46 PM
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If nobody is eating at Ruth's I'm guessing their prices are too high. They think their food is more valuable than it really is. Otherwise the customers who can afford it would eat there. But it's not worth it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 07:42 PM
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Who does he fuck first? It's more likely that on a single given night, he won't be able to talk strangers into a threesome, and he will choose the 10. The 8 will notice she's never getting the hottest guy but instead is going home with someone slightly below.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 07:40 PM
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I'm not sure I totally understand what you're saying, but aren't men also playing in both markets?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:55 PM
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I think this supports the idea in the OP. Markets are based on supply and demand. Whatever is more in demand has more value.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:54 PM
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It shouldn't be called a market value if it is just percentiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:53 PM
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If you can LTR an 8 then your RMV is 8. If you can only pull 6s for sex then your SMV = 6
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:51 PM
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If wealthy people with options are consistently choosing to go to McDonald's over other supposedly better establishments then McDonald's must be better than you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:50 PM
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She also put in low effort. So is he a cheap/low smv man?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:49 PM
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The kind of guys they can pull would determine their value. Obviously one will be consistently chosen over the other by men who have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:45 PM
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But if she is able to have those standards because hot men find her attractive then it sounds like it's your judgment of her SMV is what's off, not hers. The men that pursue her disagree that she is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:40 PM
2

Try a different club
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:29 PM
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This could be the basis for a whole post. Your market value is determined by the market. Therefore there is no such thing as a 5 who is also an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:32 AM
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Was he talking about what happens today or saying this is what happened in earlier times in our evolution? The part about women sleeping with hot men and thinking their more attractive than they are is very specific to TRP. Was that in direct response to a question from here?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:17 AM
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The point of this post is that many of us have observed something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 11:54 PM
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Well it sounds like they kept trying the same thing that didn't work week after week...that's the definition of insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 11:53 PM
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Nah none of them got to choose. Now they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 11:41 PM
5

Why can't you compare seeing a prostitute to a casual hookup? You're claiming that attractiveness isn't required for women to get sex either, merely having a vagina is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:54 PM
5

What makes up a man's attractiveness if not looks/money/status? Those engineering students take classes with no girls in them, they're usually shy, they almost never even have time for extracurricular activities let alone partying. How are they supposed to be meeting girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:52 PM
3

That's contradictory. If they were really high value they would have better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:50 PM
11

Men are terrible at judging their own SMV. And if a woman can regularly pull 8s, she is essentially an 8 herself. She's able to trade her sexuality for theirs in the marketplace so it must be worth the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:43 PM
8

High standards, won't see a prostitute. Who cares if it's illegal? If these guys "need" sex they'll go out and get it. Just like a man who needs crack goes out and breaks the law to get it. If you're unwilling to use prostitutes your sex drive really isn't that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:35 PM
10

Do you think women are just as likely to orgasm from a ONS as men are? Women are actually more sexually frustrated than men. Men can get off just about every time. Women need that skilled D
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:31 PM
3

But aren't income and professionalism like 2/3 of what composes a man's sex appeal?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:28 PM
11

Men can go on grindr to get used as a hole and maybe get some snuggling out of it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:26 PM
12

It's definitely possible for a woman to feel she's not attractive enough to fuck. Women are insecure as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:24 PM
9

Why would an alpha fuck her if he has options? If he doesn't have better options, he's not an alpha. So why would he ever pick the ugly chick?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:21 PM
3

She said if you look like a woman use the women's restroom. They all look like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 02:11 PM
1

Since when is being red pilled a requirement of being alpha? Alphas aren't even necessarily smart they just fuck a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 04:52 AM
1

What do you mean they've waken up to the reality of the SMP?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 04:37 AM
1

How is this good for the goose?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 08:55 PM
0

What else would be a reason? Those couples with "successful" men who have more sons, maybe they have less sex because he's ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 05:50 PM
1

Yes youthful sounds much better than immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 05:14 PM
1

Beta bux amirite
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 04:51 PM
1

Looking at all these old ugly rich dudes and their super hot wives I'd say that non-appearance factors can clear a larger gap than that for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 04:31 PM
1

If he is a very attractive man, doesn't he have many options? Isn't appearance a priority for men when picking a partner? So why would a very attractive man with options choose an unattractive woman? Why would that ever happen? Also that situation doesn't sound like what anybody wants. Who wants to be in an LTR with someone they are kinda sorta attracted to? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 04:29 PM
1

Studies show that men judge attractiveness more on face while women judge more on body.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 04:27 PM
0

Well an attractive mother would lead to a more active sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 04:26 PM
1

Some of the best men have no idea how good they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 04:25 PM
2

Sounds pretty familiar...you fucked hotter people before settling down with your less attractive wife because she had those "marriageable" qualities. I wonder if your wife worries about the hotter girls you fucked before settling for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 04:24 PM
2

How many facebook photos do you need to see
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 04:20 PM
2

But there are incel/FA men and essentially no women of the same category. There's always someone out there who will love/be attracted to any woman. The same cannot be said for men. Men can create artificial attraction with money to make up for lacking actual attractiveness. Women can always find someone attracted to them; it just won't be the man they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 07:14 AM
1

Isn't the TRP idea that they still go after those good 20 year olds when they are 45? No one wants 45yo women. What's so important about a legacy btw?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:09 AM
2

Maybe he means even if it seems that the 10 is settling for the 2, really the 10 most likely has some issues going on that make them much less valuable as partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:02 AM
2

I thought beta thirst kept ugly girls in the dating business.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:01 AM
6

They can't judge their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 12:58 AM
1

What do you mean? Doesn't satisfaction come from fulfilling one's biological role? I think beta men get fulfillment from pursuing their skills and interests while providing for women and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 08:26 PM
1

No they don't, and just like women would be happiest embracing their natural role, betas would be happiest embracing theirs and providing for society while alphas keep harems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 05:37 PM
1

So now it's 30% of men had casual sex in the past month?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 05:34 PM
1

There are women that didn't participate in the study. And there can be women who had sex with more than 1 of those 18%. That's a pretty large discrepancy to account for. There are men that didn't participate either. Let's just add 10% to account for that? And to your second point, isn't TRP more likely to claim that one of those men would have slept with many of the women in the casual sex pool than the other way around? Isn't that how the 80/20 rule supposedly came to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 05:12 PM
0

7% of women are passing around the top 18% of men for casual sex? Or are the men having casual sex with one another?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 04:50 PM
1

That's a much smaller portion of women. Those numbers don't add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 04:26 PM
0

You can logically understand why a man might enjoy watching his wife get fucked by another man? I can't. Explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 04:05 PM
1

The natural beta role is to provide
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 04:31 AM
2

Makes more sense to kill them than 98% of men. But then most men become unfuckable after a certain age too, sans outstanding circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 03:50 AM
2

What about women over the age of fertility? Should we kill them off too? Do people only have value if they are fuckable?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 03:46 AM
2

How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 11:44 PM
1

I don't think "accept your biological role" translates to "you are subhuman filth" for anyone. Feminists are also upset when you try to define their role in a limiting way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 09:25 PM
-1

Are you saying that it's women or betas that are subhuman filth?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 08:41 PM
1

Some of TRP use the same language to describe girls with high partner counts or who are unmarried. But you're right, unless it's enforced there's not much anyone can do to stop either from happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 07:56 PM
1

TRP is in favor of people accepting their natural biological roles. Makes sense that betas should just accept being betas (essentially providers).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 07:43 PM
0

What action could OP take to prevent betas breeding?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 07:24 PM
1

I was wondering are women really rewarding baldness with sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 05:00 PM
5

Mommies are boring, young sluts are fun, exciting and arousing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 04:41 PM
-4

So men on TRP don't disapprove of sluts on a moral basis, they are afraid that she will be too experienced, knows too well what she likes in bed, will have actually experienced good sex before....fucking cowards afraid that she'll have been with someone better than you. You'd rather get a fresh one who looks to you for everything she knows about sex and love. God forbid you MAN UP enough to "give the slut a chance"....AKA brave your own insecurities and pursue a self-assured woman who challenges…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 01:49 AM
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If she isn't JUDGING people based on these differences from herself, then no, she is not a hypocrite. The idea that you would judge that a woman is automatically a certain way (which I understand is the whole fucking premise of TRP) because she has a shared interest in sex....these arguments about hypocrisy are so, so stupid. Edit: spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 01:45 AM
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