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Simply taking an objective look at all of this, there's very little available evidence based on the story told. Which is problematic.
/r/seduction07/01/14 10:55 PM
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If you actually posted your paper, I'd take one step forward in believing this. Your excuse of not having a graded one when asked to see it seems like a dodge. Who was asking for one with professor notes? Let's see the .doc file you turned in. Surely you take this much pride in what you've done, have the stats on hand, so I'm curious to see your analysis and additional writing on the topic.
/r/seduction07/01/14 08:40 PM
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Do you know if your ex actually wrote this?
/r/MensRights17/08/13 09:18 PM
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I don't ever want to stifle discussion, but I do like to establish the larger picture. And OP's post showed a narrow view to me. Just so you know, I am male. I simply took time to try and understand the different lives women lead in the world and in my society. So I know well and recognize a good amount of the problems specific to men. I don't go as far as you did in your previous post, but I didn't want to argue over every point. At least suffice it to say that in no way is treating men like "c…
/r/MensRights24/07/13 06:48 PM
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tending to sorta opting for a "Sigh Men." response from the women. That's not just a male problem. Stupid jokes about men and women abound from lazy stand-up comedy to sitcoms. Jokes pegging women as nitpicky, emotional, frivolous, "shrill" are just as frequent as dumb dads who just wanna watch The Game. OP started a conversation about this issue, and I find it a bit.... inappropriate to step into OP's conversation and say how their 'good' point that you AGREE with shouldn't be talked about basi…
/r/MensRights24/07/13 05:55 PM
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No feminist I know says anything remotely near demonizing the entirety of a gender. Perhaps you're misinterpreting what sexism or patriarchy actually mean.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 05:23 PM
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Who blames you for the actions of other men? That's of course invalid, unless you're endorsing their activities or ignoring the very real impacts sexism has on society. I sympathize with the pressure you felt to withhold your sexuality. The culture of the United States is excessively sexually phobic for both genders. I find, though, that sex education in the United States actually treats girls worse by, in some places, telling them that every partner they have makes them lose a "petal" on the pr…
/r/MensRights24/07/13 05:13 PM
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So it this a collection the channel owner created without permission from the content creators themselves? Because at least one of these videos and individuals I would argue is not an anti-feminist (I'm thinking of this woman, though while I can't watch this video now, made very careful criticisms of Anita's overreaching to contrast herself with the raging TF on the same issue).
/r/MensRights24/07/13 04:32 PM
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But to blame men and say they're evil monsters No feminist I know says that. Especially the male feminists. with undeserved privilege is ignorant to our entire history ... society was forged in the first place -- with hard work by mostly men Ah, so because of what happened in the past, we need to be tied to that trend going forward. Women need to be thanking men today for the groundwork their fathers laid. Because their gender entitles them to some of that credit. And furthermore, men deserve to…
/r/MensRights24/07/13 04:20 PM
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If you're going to make an infographic to show information, I suggest not making it sarcastic. This could be more palatable if it didn't have the tone of "men have it worse".
/r/MensRights20/07/13 10:24 PM
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COD is a "realistic" military FPS portraying elite combat units, a lack of female characters in that genre is understandable since those combat units in real life have a very small (if any) number of women in them. Realism is removed in all sorts of areas to improve the player experience. In reality, you won't recover health by hiding behind a chest-high wall. In reality, no one can reload that quickly, every time. In reality, combat situations are rarely like a match in COD. In reality, a soldi…
/r/MensRights07/07/13 05:27 PM
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Did you even read my last paragraph? Or consider this comment I made yesterday.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 05:17 PM
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I rarely use "misogyny", anyway, but I would readily classify it as "hostile" to women by actively portraying them in an unfair light. And while I'm happy to reach this point in our conversation, I have to remember the original post and ask myself, "Is it really his diction, his choice of the word 'misogyny' that people are mad about?" Because the "punchline" to the tweet exchange implies that the people in here don't believe there's even a problem.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 02:02 AM
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Responsibility is an aspect to consider for companies. Do they want to be known as one of the groups perpetuating stereotypes? If most gamers were racists, I don't feel like you'd be making the same argument. Not much has to be lost to treat the sexes equally: make their personality first, then their wardrobe. Or if you really want to keep the sexy, give every character something ridiculously impractical and revealing. At least they it's a more clear pandering and not attempted to be passed as l…
/r/MensRights07/07/13 01:29 AM
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Hah, sorry, then. The Vega one just screamed fanart to me.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 01:18 AM
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it's taking advantage of men's love of, and desire for, women It's taking advantage of some men's tendency to objectify women. And I don't use that term lightly, because I believe it can be overused. It's putting their bodies and sex before anything else about their character. It betrays the backstories and abilities of the character that are present in the game by pursuing eye candy. Ivy can be the sexual dominant she is, having her sexuality on display and illustrated through her moves. That's…
/r/MensRights07/07/13 12:50 AM
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Just because female gamers aren't being catered to to the same extent doesn't mean it comes at their expense. This is true. Not every instance of catering to a male audience harms or dissuades women. But a systematic portrayal of women as primarily sexual is harmful. It says to audiences that the sex of a woman and its appeal is more important than other characteristics that have nothing to do with her biology. What trend is equally present in only male characters in those same games? Here's ano…
/r/MensRights07/07/13 12:38 AM
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I haven't played Street Fighter much at all, but I'll concede to anyone else's expertise on their superior treatment of sex in fighting games. I would hope their international cast of characters is taken as a celebration of culture and not stereotyping, too. However, fan art doesn't really count in a discussion of how people are portrayed in games.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 12:27 AM
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Women consistently wearing less clothing, especially impractical clothing for combat in fighting/action games, is an indication of sexism in the gaming industry, which can promote misogyny in the entire industry. One could argue (naively) that this could just be the random choice of developers not meaning to perpetuate these tropes. But games don't exist in a vacuum, and they have an obvious trend to please male audiences at the expense of female characters and players. Here's an example from a …
/r/MensRights06/07/13 11:19 PM
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Women get a disproportionate amount of comments concerning their sex. Kasparian, though I don't watch TYT, I doubt speaks on feminist issues as much as the examples I gave here. Furthermore, it doesn't matter whether they're making the most coherent argument or the dumbest comment: people target often target their sex. Stupid, rude people will use whatever language is convenient. You're skirting the issue and it's pointless for me to continue. the best thing you can do to control trauma is to co…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 11:51 PM
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She's an ideological hack. My opinion of her has absolutely nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with her content. I think you have a grossly hyperbolic and misguided understanding of who she is and what she's doing. And while you don't blame it on her sex, many people do. They use sexist language and slurs to put down this woman that wants to discuss these issues. I specifically picked these examples and pointed out that they were sexist comments being made. That means they're hat…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:42 PM
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"not getting involved" What? And she was one example. Please. Your snark is quite misplaced.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 06:42 AM
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How would anyone know it? You spend time around the camps and see what kind of reaction people have to it. I've seen a prominent blogger have to leave her position for a several month stretch simply because she spoke loudly and often about feminism in the secular/atheist community: I don't want to let them win, but I'm human. The stress is getting to me. I've dealt with chronic depression since elementary school, and receiving a daily flood of hatred triggers it. I've been miserable. And this to…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:48 AM
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I figured that might be a backdoor for them to get rid of anything they didn't like. Nevermind. This wasn't as unbiased an attempt as I thought. Possible even moreso. Utter nonsense. The amount of shit that gets thrown at women when they speak up about inequality big or small simply dwarfs the amount of radfem hate MRAs receive. There's actually an infrastructure built up now to save these awful tweets and comments so their amount is not forgotten: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/archive Search …
/r/MensRights04/07/13 01:05 AM
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Did you give due diligence here? You could have messaged the mods to make them aware of what you were doing. I could see, depending on what you posted, your topic being rejected for seeming to break this rules paragraph: Remember to use common sense when formulating questions; inane / insulting / baiting topics will be removed: /r/AskFeminists is not a space to put guilt by association on all feminists due to the actions done by X persons or groups, especially when such actions are in contradict…
/r/MensRights03/07/13 02:19 PM
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That would be ignorant of the severity of the consequences of unsafe sex.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:34 AM
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Being on the hook financially is not the same thing as pregnancy. To make that connection is to extrapolate anything and everything to be about bodily autonomy, which is just silly, as it renders the term meaningless. I don't even understand your second point. The United States has bad sex education that leads to this disparity, which is a conservative effort.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 01:50 PM
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Sex education in the United States is abysmal, so adolescents don't even know what options are available or how to practice safe sex. You blame it on their stupidity, which is completely unfounded, rather than on their ignorance, which is demonstrable.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 01:39 PM
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What about forced fatherhood? Two reasons: Pregnancy is dangerous. Abortion rights are about having control over one's own body. Single mothers outnumber single fathers, especially in the black community. Why force this false equivalency?
/r/MensRights02/07/13 04:47 AM
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I don't get it. Everything in that image, though hard to read, is true. We're all shackled by gender roles.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 05:39 PM
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I think it says something about the simplistic misunderstanding people have of others. Most massive subreddits lack the female perspective, for which discussions here and there are sorely lacking.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 01:52 AM
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I was implying that much of the "insightful" discussions on the largest subreddits are warped circlejerks.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 01:40 AM
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Because when I look for people discussing the bleeding edge of the current issues surrounding sexism and feminism, I turn to /r/adviceanimals.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 12:17 AM
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Uh, I really don't think that's the majority of first-person shooters. Most of the time you're given some characterization to have a motivation to take them out. Games where you're conflicted about your enemy are the exception, I think. System Shock 2 or Half-Life 2 with zombies that are screaming in pain or apologizing when attacking you, for example.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 03:28 AM
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I learned a little something about comic books today. Thanks! My friends and I have trivia questions about them all the time, and we fail at them. If you don't know much about the medium, you'll probably make mistakes like that. I don't have time to dig up the video, but she posts the entire transcript of her videos online. I wouldn't be surprised if she very specifically notes the clips she uses, not only for disclosure/copyright reasons, but for comprehensiveness.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:55 PM
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if it isn't done to a woman, it's done to a girl, if not the girl, a boy, if not a boy a man. IT WILL BE SEXIST NO MATTER WHAT YOU FIGHT FOR OR CHANGE. videoninja, I have loved reading your calm and rational responses, but I really don't think he's getting it.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 09:11 PM
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in charge of the movement No one holds a position like that. radical feminists are in power I assume you believe that men are the disprivileged group to make a statement like that.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 08:49 PM
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An unabashed Godwin's Law! If feminism were about hating men, I don't see why I or many other men would be feminists. There is a large contingent of people, for example around FreeThought Blogs, that agree on a completely reasonable definition of feminism. And while I can't find it right now, they had a long series of notable men posting personal editorials on why they consider themselves feminists.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:32 PM
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Until we reach a point where people of either sex are treated equally, every situation that plays into gender stereotypes will be colored by sexism. That's the difference between the male and female examples. Those instances need to be scrutinized by developers and gamers as to why they're there and the message they send. Video games arose after racism (maybe sexism?) had somewhat faded from their target demographic, but they still generally adhere to this design philosophy. The new Deus Ex feat…
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:22 PM
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Yeah yeah, I know people here think feminism is radical feminism or erect other strawmen to call feminism and shoot down. They rage against one of many branches of feminism that I do not represent. But I'm a feminist, I'm concerned with equality of the sexes, and that is what I and everyone I read and discuss these topics with all adhere to.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 06:45 PM
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it is ok because they are men I think this is the key point you're misunderstanding. In any of your male-plot-device examples, is it explicit that the character's importance is based around his sex? Or could every instance of "father", "son", or "soldier" have a female version replace them with no impact? That's the difference between your examples and the harmful ones against females: their importance to a story is more often based on their sex. And again, I addressed this idea in my very first…
/r/MensRights03/06/13 06:34 PM
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If you're raising daughters to follow their interests and passions without regard for their sex, you are helping to dismantle gender stereotypes, which is exactly what feminism is about.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 06:07 PM
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Women are not seen in games as often. When they are seen, they are less likely to be characterized. They are disproportionately used as plot devices based on their sex, rather than as a person, a full character. I responded in my first comment to your point about men having "far worse" and "more graphic" things done to them with the more important, trumping aspect they do have: agency. Furthermore, when the vast majority of people in video games are male, the best and worst will more likely occu…
/r/MensRights03/06/13 05:26 PM
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Patriarchy theory points to a systemic trend of female objectivity throughout history, yes. And feminism does nothing more than raise awareness of this and work to dismantle it.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 05:07 PM
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The woman in the refrigerator is a known trope, just to be clear that she didn't make up the phrase. I'll hopefully remember to get back to you on the specific scenes you mention. I'll go ahead and say, though, that rarely are problematic examples completely black and white as to their sexism. I'm sure some of the scenes are emotional, and maybe the characters are people, not just females. But that doesn't erase the fact that this happens far more often to women, and that this characterization e…
/r/MensRights03/06/13 04:21 PM
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I don't feel like you were paying close enough attention to at least the original video, which I can comment upon. Anita addresses what you're pointing out. Regarding agency: in some[,] females are added in She's talking about the predominant trends in gaming. Many games nowadays are making great strides in presenting the sexes equally. But a decade or two ago, this was far, far, from the case. The point is that for every single example you can come up with of a positive female portrayal, there …
/r/MensRights03/06/13 03:31 PM
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So I haven't seen the newest video yet, and I can't watch it now, but is there a specific point you're refuting with this post? I already wrote this defense of her work against Thunderfoot on the first video. I barely understand what your image is trying to say. But I can respond to your title: How dare women be victimized for 3 minutes while you brutally kill millions of men in video games The men a player kills in a video game almost always have agency. Each is a man acting on their own will. …
/r/MensRights03/06/13 01:53 PM
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Excuse me, what? The Daily Mail is anything but a reliable news source.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 10:01 PM
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Hey, I'm also not hooking up with people in bars. I don't drink. So a lot of this I won't personally experience, either. I just think it's important.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 05:50 AM
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Like I said, when it comes to drinking, things can get difficult to discern. That's why raising awareness of the harm of rape can help ensure people take respectful and mutually beneficial action. Also, I never conceded the notion that this is one sex's problem and not the other. Of course that's not the case and would be purely sexist.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 11:41 PM
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This is one of the grey areas that exists when creating laws about anything. In an ideal world, we'd be able to sense the intentions of both people involved to see if one knowingly took advantage of the other, or if both were equally making impaired decisions without malice. Since we don't have that, we can look at context, to an extent. For a married couple or one that has a history of knowingly doing this, or more generally a couple that has given enthusiastic consent in the past, this might l…
/r/MensRights25/05/13 03:30 PM
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ITT: A bunch of people assume the worst intentions possible for the woman and the best intentions possible for the man.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 03:05 PM
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the prolific issue of false rape allegations False rape accusations are not prolific and the rates of its occurrence are in fact no different than with other crimes. The vastly greater issue is the abysmal reporting rate of sexual assault. By intently fixating on false claims, you further the stigma against actual rape victims. They will second-guess themselves, doubt themselves, and feel further discouraged to report the crime. And this is compounded by known studies of psychological effects on…
/r/MensRights24/05/13 03:03 PM
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I'll explain what the second part her statement means, since so many of you are completely mischaracterizing or misunderstanding it. She wants to raise awareness of the fact that consent is more than "'no' means 'no'". She wants more people to understand that a severely intoxicated "yes" doesn't imply consent. That a "yes" while being coerced or pressured doesn't imply consent. This is clearly a misconception people have, because many of those who have raped under a standard definition (for whic…
/r/MensRights24/05/13 02:19 PM
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No news source pleases everyone every time. I'm pointing the systematically, continuously biased reporting done by the Washington Times. They haven't been wrong one time. They're been misleading for years. A "baseless" claim is not one where the evidence is disputed, as in "he said/she said." How do you know? How sure are you that your definition is what the military uses? Who else uses yours? I know we're getting down to specifics, but that's what matters concerning the validity of this story. …
/r/MensRights14/05/13 04:40 PM
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This author is completely mischaracterizing and missing Miri's argument. All she's doing is pointing at how you should consider those around you and the untold effects your actions could have on people. She's shining a light on the fact that many men don't consider the negative effects of what they deem a positive action. And furthermore, they don't self-examine to see why they're doing what they're doing. And she's talking about street harassment. In public. She has in the past very specificall…
/r/MensRights14/05/13 03:04 PM
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I think it's a shame to cite The Washington Times as a source in your article. I'm still not convinced this is some evidence of a real problem, considering the sources talking about it. You've got a conservative news site, a Christian anti-gay group, and a victim-blaming quote in the article? I don't see any effort to get a reasonable side of the story from them. Are you not the least bit suspicious that you're planting your flag next to such detestable groups? Regarding the definition, I'm happ…
/r/MensRights14/05/13 02:14 PM
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Many aspects of this post make it quite untenable. The Washington Times is not the New York Times or the Washington Post. Impressions I have of it from numerous sources outside of any areas this subreddit is involved in point to it as unreliable and conservative-leaning. The Washington Times is a daily broadsheet published in Washington, D.C., the capital of the United States. It was founded in 1982 by Unification Church founder Sun Myung Moon, and until 2010 was owned by News World Communicatio…
/r/MensRights13/05/13 09:46 PM
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It’s not just women who endure this harassment. Last week, at my Cosplay in the Media panel at MTAC, I had several guys chime in about their own experiences with women touching them inappropriately or making lewd comments to them. Just because this happens to women doesn’t give us the license to treat guys in this manner. One guy shared his story about how women would come up and grab his nether regions while dressed as a particular character. He told us how it made him feel ashamed and upset, a…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 10:29 PM
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You follow me around on so many comments that I'm surprised you haven't realized I'm male yet. Please, drop the shitty sexism. It's unbecoming and not very effective.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 06:47 PM
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I was replying to a specific comment: If you can't remember, you don't claim rape "just in case". We were discussing how the girl might not have been able to remember what happened accurately, which is common in traumatic experiences. This raises one of many difficult questions of how to deal with sexual assault in general, to which I tried to find a universal common ground. My consent point was not explicitly related to this case, though I tied it back with other examples above. I garnered a lo…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 03:08 PM
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I believe focusing the discussion of sexual assault on preventing false rape accusations is extremely counterproductive and harmful. Every barrier you erect to discourage potential victims from coming forward further perpetuates the stigma and difficulty of the already-challenging act of coming forward after being raped. The false accusation rate is very low. And compared to the potential one-third reporting rate of these incidences, you're effectively saying that the millions of people who neve…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 02:14 PM
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I can't say I'm surprised to see this kind of response here to what I thought would be a universally accepted sentiment.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 04:31 AM
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The issue with this philosophy is that being subjected to sexual assault has all sorts of traumatic effects on the brain, making events foggy, mixed up, or inaccurate. I've been trying to find this presentation I watched that dissected these effects that's presented to investigators and policemen to improve how they treat these cases. It's not an easy crime to address in many directions. That's why teaching consent is the most important method of prevention.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 03:36 AM
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Again with the anecdotes. I'm not so ignorant to think that my personal experience invalidates scientific research. I was simply bringing it up to reinforce the idea that I have never heard of affirmative action based on sex. And if it were a widespread mandate like for race, then I would have expected to see it in my public university. women are allowed to choose not to got to that college I'm all for independent, autonomous choices, but the way our society is structured taints those choices wi…
/r/MensRights21/04/13 07:08 PM
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Patriarchy continues when men continue to to be the ones in power, whether they truly want that power or not, and women continue to be relegated to lesser roles. As opposed to letting those who want to be breadwinners, CEOs, senators, generals attain those positions based on their abilities, without regard for their sex. Right now we still see pressures or expectations for women to be focused on other areas, like motherhood. And they face inequalities (some little, some big) in most every step o…
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:15 AM
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No, I think that's a misconception of the concept of patriarchy. Yes, it was a system put in place by men, because they were the ones to gain power in society, likely stemming from physical ability early on. And it's perpetuated by anyone who fits her or himself into a gender role they don't belong to. But it's those in power (even pressured to attain it) that benefitted. But it's a mistake to characterize it as targeting specific men. Maybe some feminists pick out specific ones in history that …
/r/MensRights21/04/13 03:51 AM
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My position is the same as many feminists in that we are interested in equality of the sexes and removal of gender stereotypes. The law enacted in your link's incident is flawed and not particularly relevant to feminism, unless you're going to assert that with genders switched it would not have occurred. It has much more to do with embracing healthy sexuality more openly, though. Women are seen as the more nurturing sex, reinforced to an unreasonable point by societal values. This makes them be …
/r/MensRights21/04/13 03:31 AM
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Satire can inspire an intelligent discussion when it doesn't completely mischaracterize one side of the issue to the point of detriment. I can barely make out a glimmer of my position as a feminist in OP's post. Additionally, look at the bottom of the downvoting barrel for the "conversations" it sparked. Far more prevalent is rampant, sarcastic, unproductive hyperbole.
/r/MensRights20/04/13 08:11 PM
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Feminists want stereotypical positions and employment based on one sex or another to be eliminated, so that women who want to do hard physical labor like you suggest and men who want to go into, say, ballet or nursing would not be ostracized. Not every field would have an even split of participation by both sexes, of course. But the current trends skew much farther than biology should suggest, leading to the conclusion that it's nurture, societal constructs of what men and women should be, that …
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:16 PM
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I feel obliged to similarly waste 10 minutes of my time waiting to reply to someone many times more cogent than you just to make sure you know how rude, abrasive, triggering, and pathetic you're being. Mischief, This person is not worth arguing with. There are others here who will have actually productive conversations, rather than entirely relying on ad hominem. Note that his first move in the conversation was to dig through your comments to find an objectionable gem. That is not the mark of so…
/r/MensRights20/04/13 06:04 PM
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No feminist is going to answer such a leading, presumptive, and simply inaccurate question. What does this sophistry get you?
/r/MensRights20/04/13 05:53 PM
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(If we could stall the hyperbole for a bit.) Feminists I know have a love/hate relationship with Jezebel. Some pieces are great, and some are awful. Here's part of a comment I made two weeks ago: I did a quick search on FTB for posts referencing Jezebel, and you'll see a very mixed reaction, very case-by-case. Some posts pull from valid stories, some rage against terrible articles. Relevant quotes: Well here’s a horrible piece of crap posted at Jezebel. Jezebel has a pretty good piece up Every t…
/r/MensRights19/04/13 06:18 PM
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I agree with everything said above except for "by nature". Is there science behind that? Because I find it much more likely that the sexes are trained differently by society, often to their detriment.
/r/MensRights15/04/13 05:27 PM
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Seems like as good of a place to end it as any. I appreciate the conversation. I won't presume to have changed your mind on anything, but I've gotten a lot out of working through these issues. It's been especially nice compared to the argument I got into with RedactedDude elsewhere. He followed me down to this thread after being disrespectful, obtuse, manipulative, and petty.
/r/MensRights12/04/13 05:36 PM
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If you won't address my lengthy post objecting to your points, especially after you asked me to find sources for what any gamer would find blitheringly obvious, then we're done here. I could have more productive conversations with plants. At least they wouldn't be quite so rude.
/r/MensRights12/04/13 02:18 PM
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You are appealing to a population of people who agree with you in order to define your position as the popular, accepted one. Fixed. I said nothing about the position's accuracy in my rebuttal of your accusation. You are infuriatingly disrespectful, and you know it.
/r/MensRights12/04/13 02:02 PM
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I didn't see a single person suggesting that they should focus effort specifically on men. In the end, I guess I don't place as much importance on that as you do, in light of what I find to be more injustice towards women. Oh well. As I understand, the original definition of "privilege" meant any advantage that one group had over another. One of the posts I linked a while ago had an extremely long comment thread that tackled this issue. In the end, the definitions that were landed on were that "…
/r/MensRights12/04/13 03:03 AM
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You are being patronizing and obtuse. But for the benefit of others, I will oblige this frivolous exercise. argumentum ad populum I was not making an argument from popularity. I was pointing out the many places that agree with my definition of "feminism" to demonstrate that it is in fact a mainstream one. It's worth noting that I mention gender equality/equality of the sexes several times in the post. If they disagreed, I would not have been told the exact opposite numerous times from the very p…
/r/MensRights12/04/13 02:47 AM
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This is a perfect example of the "coincidence" thing. Since I'm not going to do a long search for discussions of men's issues on various blogs I know of, I guess I just have to leave it at the fact that I've seen it brought up many times, in addition to in conversations with my friends. But honestly, that's more a "slavery" than "black" thing Fine then. Let's skip ahead to being black versus white in the 1960s. I also believe this should be trivially easy to identify privilege, but I'll let you …
/r/MensRights12/04/13 12:37 AM
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And therefore men's rights also eliminates gender biases on both sides, correct? Ideally. But alongside any positive effort, I also see a denial, a downplaying of women's issues! Not an embracing. In contrast, I see in the feminist movement consideration for men's issues, especially by men that understand them. I did a quick search on one prominent male feminist's blog and found an example pretty quickly. I'll say again and again that I'm for a men's rights movement, just not the one I see befor…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 07:21 PM
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I have stated and given justification multiple times that, whether or not you think it a "byproduct" or "accident", feminism, equality of the sexes, eliminates gender biases on both sides. Also remember that these privileges exist primarily for the benefit of those who adopt expected gender roles. Many feminist women don't see most of the advantages you would associate with female privilege and face the disadvantages more heavily. The only similarity between these concepts is that they involve t…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 06:43 PM
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I'm really not convinced that "insults" are directly comparable to "death threats". In writing I was mentally including threats of rape and violence in that example. This allows more easily for privilege to propagate and continue. Submission surely allows it to continue, yes. But women weren't the ones passing legislation, decreeing from pulpits, heading households, and in general making the rules that implemented male privilege. Until they started fighting back to remove it. How many people hav…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 05:55 PM
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What I call feminism is what A+, FreeThoughtBlogs, and all of my feminist friends call it. Tons of other resources that I read and cite in discussions operate the same way. I'm not a fan of the strong rhetoric PZ Myers and others use in response to the waves of backlash against feminists online, but their position is quite similar to mine. Listen, I struggle with the idea of what defines a movement, what counts as "in-group" and "out-group". But there are a large number of us all the same page a…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 05:38 PM
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I don't know how to get across to you that women receive more online abuse when discussing feminism or acknowledging their sex. Are you a gamer? It's pretty clear there. I showed you a serious example, and I wonder if you can show me anything comparable going against men. Furthermore, in seeing the heightened rhetoric and vulgarity and ad hominim myself, I see more often an immediate jump to insults against women. Against men, I see them more often after a few exchanges of frustration and talkin…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 05:00 PM
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80% no-conviction Another crucial point about "no-conviction" are the number of times victims are turned away because of terrible investigation techniques or police officers themselves encouraging no further action. Though I guess we're both agreeing about the amount of noise in the data, but I reject the idea that we then skew it towards the disadvantage of men. Have you not seen "die cis scum"? Sure, I've heard it all. But do you have people insulting and threatening you years after you make a…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 03:39 PM
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TF does absolutely nothing but rage against a strawman of feminism, and I very specifically stated at the end that I hoped I represented well what I and all others I know refer to as feminism (equality of the sexes). I received positive feedback from /r/AtheismPlus and my friends. So apparently my statements did align with mainstream feminism. I was cautious to approach TF's motivations and intentions while writing that, because I know that's where feminists and MRAs start talking past each othe…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 03:08 PM
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So . . . what you're saying is that we should research to determine the most serious issues, but not attempt to influence anyone's behavior over it? No... You continually assert that I am (or feminists are) somehow trying to take something away from the MRM, and all I want is for MRAs to be open about the broader context they are within and the smaller scope. Some, maybe the majority, of MRAs here push that women are the privileged sex, which is contrary to evidence. How do you know how common f…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 02:24 PM
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I personally dissected the entirety of this video when it came out 3 weeks ago.
/r/MensRights11/04/13 02:14 PM
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You object to many, many of these points with simplistic interpretations of the situations in question, which is useless. For example: Quantify this. Show me where people are going "you know, her sales numbers are through the roof, but... y'know... she's a WOMAN! So, no promotion, no bonus, no Christmas card." Inequality is rarely so overt, and you're showing how little you understand actual complaints about sexism from women. It's much more about the combined effects of little inequalities that…
/r/MensRights11/04/13 05:25 AM
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Will you campaign to have breast cancer research reduced, and the money put towards cancer with far less funding I'm not proposing some top-down mandate. I'm saying that the general trend is for people to support issues roughly proportionally to how severe there are. Of course there is noise within that and tactics. Breast cancer absolutely gains and uses sex appeal, for example, and while that's good in the end, it's unfortunate for diseases without that capability. However, I do want to point …
/r/MensRights11/04/13 03:58 AM
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I think it is possible that there is an absolute cultural ideal, but I think it is extremely unlikely we have reached it. Never said we had. It's always a process of refining the grey areas with the occasional larger adjustment, from civil to gay rights. I think as long as we have informed individuals able to make decisions for themselves and trying to maximize happiness among all people, I say we're on the right track. But things like stereotypical gender roles hold that back. Islam and hijab i…
/r/MensRights10/04/13 09:36 PM
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I disagree with your characterization of it getting worse as it goes down. Not every numbered point is equivalent in importance and degree of privilege. It's been subject to correction/modification many times since it was written in 2004. Each link to "(More)" is an example of that. Pick your favorite that you disagree with, and I'd be happy to talk about it and see how valid it is or isn't.
/r/MensRights10/04/13 08:07 PM
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I'm not going to tackle everything you said here. I just don't have time. But here are a few points: Then why do your organizations fight to keep it strong and keep it going? Once again your organizations are the ones pushing for these laws and in many cases laughing at male victims. None of these feminists hold the ideals that I, my feminist friends, many online resources and blogs, and many positive organizations promote. I also believe some efforts are mischaracterized. We believe feminism is…
/r/MensRights10/04/13 07:10 PM
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It's always going to come down to subjectivity. Going back to morality for a comparison, are you a cultural relativist? How do you feel about FGM? I should point out that not everyone can say this ;) Well aren't you cheeky. then always keep in mind that "elevating women to the same level as men" will end up with women in the lead I forget with whom I cover and don't cover certain topics. Allow me to elaborate on the idea that feminism benefits men. Men are seen as less capable of caring for chil…
/r/MensRights10/04/13 06:55 PM
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I really do think that comparing privilege is an entire new level of difficulty above merely measuring it. I still believe that the benefits afforded to men versus women are so disparate that we can discern who is, in general, worse off. I view it as somewhat lesser than whites versus blacks. If anyone "made the rules", it's evolution. I agree. Men became leaders because of physical ability. Then they continued to be dominant and slowly mold society over time and generations to a culture that be…
/r/MensRights10/04/13 06:10 PM
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you're diving into a subjective hellhole The same could be said of arguments about morality and ethics and how to properly value certain traits and ideals in order to create the best society. You're right that it's subjective: I might value intellectual curiosity more than average and physical ability less than average. And there are outliers, too. But just because it's fuzzy in the details doesn't mean it's impossible to get a general feel of the landscape. Just because grey areas exist in lega…
/r/MensRights10/04/13 03:19 PM
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I think it's important to recognize what groups are privileged over others so we can focus efforts on those who need it more. So we can properly assess reality and empathize with those different from us with another perspective and experience. Perhaps some of the disagreement is about the amount of difference. You're right that I don't find it especially fruitful to argue if Hispanic- or African-Americans have it worse, because they're both not well off overall. But the question of male and fema…
/r/MensRights10/04/13 02:39 PM
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Haven't had time to dive into too much research. I found this paper that supports my position, while this more recent and comprehensive one is more nuanced. But I haven't looked into it with the paywall yet. All of which are entirely voluntary, not so? Women pay a price by not keeping up with societal standards, even if they are unfair. It's not about freedom of choice, it's about society's differing reaction and expectation of different sexes. Women being viewed as the primary objects and holde…
/r/MensRights10/04/13 05:47 AM
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You not going into the 'motivations' I'm just exhausted from arguing with 3-5 different people at once. I have no interest in ignoring facts. If you know that bill was drafted with a sexist, exclusionary mentality, and you have a justification besides that it focuses on women, let me know. Because that, in and of itself, is not sexist. It could have turned out to be myopic, but not sexist. Do you believe the NAACP is a racist organization? Or any organization that focuses on a specific group of …
/r/MensRights10/04/13 05:24 AM
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I don't think you've gotten through two consecutive posts without insisting that women's problems are worse than men's. That's because it's the precise division MRAs and feminists have. Because I believe this is evidence-based fact and not from a self-gender bias. http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/ And here's something I read today doing a better job than I in discussin the difference between male privilege and benevolent sexism: http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/20…
/r/MensRights10/04/13 05:03 AM
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Should the people working on B be stopped and forced to work on A, or shamed until they do so? Maybe it's not just with you, but I feel like I'm going in circles on this issue. The large group of feminists I reference as my friends and online in blogs and in activist groups do not say to stop caring about men's issues. I wouldn't be a feminist if so. They do react negatively to the large number of MRAs here and online that deny the evidentiary core of feminism that men are privileged. That is th…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 04:27 PM
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I really don't want to keep harping about Adria Richards. Suffice it to say that the response was much more mixed in feminist circles than you imply. Most of my feminist friends had differing shades of opinions. And, to be clear, they love sexual humor in appropriate settings. Do you acknowledge that you have the privilege of being unaware of your female privilege? I'm male. I have simply attempted to understand the perspective and position of people different from me and trusted their accuracy …
/r/MensRights08/04/13 03:53 PM
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Many of the points have additional pages that detail sources and changed based on new information. Given the author's penchant for backing up her statements with evidence, I find it reasonable to assume those without links were tackled elsewhere. Pick your favorite, and I'll try and find confirming or damning evidence for it. The first example you bring up is hardly subjective. That would be very easy to measure or run an experiment on, in fact. The second example is a clear privilege: men are n…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 03:35 PM
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No, 'Patriarchy Theory' is fairly adamant that the primary prerequisites is your sexual equipment for your 'privilege level', not your wealth or power. The idea is that males were given more advantages more easily because society was set up to encourage masculinity in males, which included leadership roles and positions of power. Whether or not men wanted that place, they were put in it, benefited overall, and perpetuated the cycle. The same applies to whites; growing up white offered many advan…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 03:19 PM
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I'm not trying to Scotsman my way out of critique of my movement. Those are real feminists that this place argues against quite often (link is a search for the head of FreeThought Blogs, PZ Myers). And no, I certainly don't agree with everything PZ puts up, much less his tone. I understood what you were doing with the allcaps STFU, no worries. Check out this comment I wrote where I link to a list of privileges. Also note that I am listed male disadvantages in the comment before mine, as well, mo…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 02:48 PM
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It is now so unacceptable to make an offcolor joke in public near a woman that people get fired for it, and women consider it to be perfectly reasonable to accuse men of doing so, even when that woman herself has a history of very similar offcolor jokes. I am sincerely tired of addressing this, but fine. This was not "in public", this was at a professional conference and furthermore during a presentation. Tweeting is not a part of the conference, so sexual humor there is irrelevant. Also, they w…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 02:35 PM
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I'm not just one. I did a quick search on FTB for posts referencing Jezebel, and you'll see a very mixed reaction, very case-by-case. Some posts pull from valid stories, some rage against terrible articles. Relevant quotes: Well here’s a horrible piece of crap posted at Jezebel. Jezebel has a pretty good piece up Every time I do this I feel like I’m a really lazy blogger who’s just going for the low-hanging fruit*, but I feel compelled to once again criticize a Jezebel article. Jezebel justifies…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 01:52 PM
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those in power did, who happened to be men. That's exactly what I meant. The key factor here is their wealth and power, not their sexual equipment. At a certain point in history, yes. But go back far enough and its origins are physical ability, biology, force. So you dumped a week's worth of reading on me with no guidance. But I can ask this about the last link: I don't know the intimate practices of our government, but is defining domestic violence in that bill supposed to reflect its definitio…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 01:29 PM
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Regarding Adria, I was asking what that power was. It's not being female, it's not feminism. If anything, it's an overblown fear of public scrutiny. That's my point. You're willing to work together, as long as the other side concedes that you're right. Rather I'm willing to work together as long as MRAs accept some of the absolute basic tenets of feminism. Differences can come in what we wish to focus on, but outright denial of the scale or existence of male privilege is not something I'll conce…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 05:21 AM
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The blog posts you link first are not very convincing to me. The first one focuses on passive voice and projection? What? Who is this evil person or a nasty group of individuals It's not about singular, evil individuals. It's about a society that has developed that perpetuates the acceptance of sexism and inequality. This kind of mind-reading has a very simple name to it: projection. The author is denying the basic mechanism behind how prejudice forms? People who are viewed as different or not o…
/r/MensRights08/04/13 02:00 AM
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I just made a quick comment about a similar topic over here: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1br1o9/joe_rogans_been_getting_slammed_over_the_past/c99nout I link to this popular blog post from 2006 that references a lot of areas of male privilege. But I also give more context, too. Look for the post with downvotes (probably)! :P
/r/MensRights07/04/13 10:28 PM
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Googling "male privilege" will give you several lists. Some I like more than others. This one I think is very good, and from a popular site: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/ Please note #46 for the reason why I can't make a concrete list myself. Also because I'm already spending so much time in comment threads here! D: And keep in mind that some of the links on that post (and therefore probably the post itself) date to 2006. I say this to make clear that the feminism I …
/r/MensRights07/04/13 10:09 PM
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We've gotten to the point where feminists can get people fired by simply posting a picture of them online and claiming they made off-color jokes. You're really mischaracterizing that incident. It wasn't Adria's intention to get anyone fired by tweeting a picture. Everything that happened beyond the two men being removed from the presentation were the overreactions of companies and hardly Adria's fault. And there's little reason to believe much of anything beyond Adria's internal monologue had an…
/r/MensRights07/04/13 09:08 PM
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Stating something as simple as that men have more privilege than women does not make this about men versus women. I suppose now is as good a time as any to point out that I'm male myself. The scenario I referenced from Bioshock Infinite is entirely based on reality! That was one of many psychological tactics used to keep underprivileged races and sexes where they were! This isn't even a question, this is historical fact. You portray white males as some sort of victim throughout history, forced t…
/r/MensRights07/04/13 08:24 PM
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All someone needs to be a feminist is to want equality of the sexes, and probably be cognizant of the ways in which women are underprivileged, and the fewer places men are. That is the mainstream feminism I see around me on the Internet, among my peers, and in what I read. There are other extremes that I do not follow, but don't find them nearly as prevalent. This honestly reminds me of a section in Bioshock Infinite in which a factory owner reassures the black men working for him that they shou…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 11:16 PM
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Let's take a simple example that started this conversation in the atheist movement. Rebecca Watson's original video that briefly talks about a bad encounter that had the potential to be dangerous is still, 2 years later, being commented upon with some discourse and some horrible insults. Is there anything comparable to that you know of from your perspective? What does "contrary to facts" mean? Feminists I know care about these issues, proportionally to the other issues of gender inequality. reta…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 10:57 PM
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Where do you see what's coming out of "mainstream" feminism? Is it what's posted here? Because that's anything but a representative sample. I object to the extremes at times just as much. The people and websites and resources I view to learn about feminism and gender inequality have nothing to do with being "spoiled" or "dismissive" or ramming ideologies down throats or hurling insults without justification. They do focus on the patriarchy, which explains quite a bit about our current societal s…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 10:45 PM
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Guess what? I'm not someone who will hurl insults at you. And I don't associate with or patronize individuals and places that do so without reason. However, I also don't see those insults thrown from the feminist community, and if they are, they are qualified with a justification as to why. Tackle the justification, not the logical, if incendiary conclusion. Finally, I refuse to believe that all the abuse you feel your side has received measures up to that which feminists, especially women, rece…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 10:25 PM
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It all depends on how you approach the topic. People in that subreddit are likely on more of a default defensive because of the additional amounts of abuse women and those who speak about gender equality take on the Internet and through daily life. If you approached the topic honestly, carefully, and with regard for the fact that you're potentially going against the grain, I believe you would have much more likelihood of being well-received. If you simply posit the idea or drop it in some conver…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 09:51 PM
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So I'm rolling along on this video, and I'm already struck by a claim she's making. To be clear, I don't agree with all of the feminists of the past. But she's basically going down this road about how men had to physically fight for their rights and that women were more easily and peacefully given them. I feel like I could make an interesting race parallel, too. But the more prevalent point to shed light on this idea is to consider a female born today. Or 20 years ago. Why in the world do the de…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 09:41 PM
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Most feminists -will not- listen to a man unless he is parroting the same doctrine as they are, ( in my experience anyways ) so there is no real dialogue. How could you possibly even come close to making a statement like that. First of all, if you're trying to do this on a streetcorner, you're not going to have much success. That's not the optimal time for civil discussion. Some women are defensive on these issues because of abuse online when discussing them and through living and seeing the inf…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 08:49 PM
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Well... But... That isn't real feminism. Not in the form that I, my friends, the places on the Internet I frequent, and places like /r/feminism and more espouse, to my understanding. Again, I view feminism as equality of the sexes, for which women need more work to reach the same level. It sure as hell doesn't mean assaulting men is acceptable. Feminism =/= misandry
/r/MensRights06/04/13 08:33 PM
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So blocking the entrance was not allowed, and I disagree with that. I also disagree with the red-haired woman in the other video (which I watched the first few minutes of) in her constant usage of "fuck". But public protests often get heated like this on just about any topic. She's frustrated, just like I am, that people in this subreddit and elsewhere on the Internet view feminism as an enemy, when it fact we should be allies. But it's the denial of the patriarchy and the lower status of women …
/r/MensRights06/04/13 08:22 PM
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So I can only comment every 10 minutes for some reason, so I'll reply to everyone here. Protege1027, what do you mean? Is there some piece of news I haven't seen? Anyway, I also have friends that were quite turned off from feminism by first being exposed to the movement through misandrists, which is unfortunate. But those that introduced me to feminism that I discuss these issues with are nothing like this article's commenters or probably what you're referencing. Blemish, I'm not sure exactly wh…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 06:27 PM
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Yes, there are feminists, especially from the past, that were man-haters. Fuck them. (Well, not... you get it.) They do not represent my position at all, which again is promoting equality of the sexes. And women aren't threatened with accusations of pedophilia, told they're misogynists, or accused of intentional stupidity when they talk about feminism. Each group has their own private set of cliche personal attacks. There is a huge, huge difference between being called a pedophile and being thre…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 06:16 PM
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That's not what I said. They are complements because in many (most) cases they are fighting for the same thing: equality of the sexes. There are areas that almost exclusively affect women (abortion) and areas that exclusively affect men (circumcision).
/r/MensRights06/04/13 05:13 PM
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I'm a feminist. The article is awful. Fucking obviously. Happy now? It does not represent my position. At all. But by posting it here it leads many to believe it does. So please stop implying that those who wish for equality of the sexes think it's okay to hit someone. It should be mentioned that it's also 6 years old.
/r/MensRights06/04/13 05:00 PM
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I've argued on here about whether rape culture actually exists. To ignore it is to allow it to continue to propagate. So perhaps that claim isn't actually unreasonable. I purposefully chose "perceived" to include areas where I believe female privilege actually exists as well as those I feel MRAs are mistaken on, simply to cover the entirety of the topic. I put "MRA" in quotes because I was speaking about the term, not trying to coyly insinuate anything more.
/r/MensRights06/04/13 05:02 AM
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While the content posted here shows some instances (some legitimate, some not) of feminists disparaging MRAs, I believe the hate on feminists came long before, and from people who identified as (or had alignment with certain aspects of) MRAs. I shouldn't even have to link to comment threads on prominent YouTube videos or blog posts to demonstrate what I consider to be an established fact. I also believe the abuse is larger in volume, more targeted and personal, and objectifying to feminist women…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 04:23 AM
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The feminism I see discussed online and with others and that is promoted in society is that of pushing equality of the sexes. That is the definition of feminism I adopt and label myself. "MRA" in the literal sense is a perfectly rational position to hold, as long as it's within the context of the smaller set of issues in which men are exclusively underprivileged. As long as it is taken not as an opponent to feminism, but a complement of it, as the vast majority of efforts to gain equality of the…
/r/MensRights06/04/13 03:08 AM
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There's no need to be rude. I wasn't familiar with the term. I found something that seemed representative. I wasn't attempting to paint a simplistic picture of stereotypically male position in society. Feminists like myself are interested in not only empowering women to take on traditionally masculine roles or traits. We're also interested in removing the expectation for men to automatically do or adopt them. Moving towards gender equality benefits everyone. Of course there will be trends in phy…
/r/MensRights04/04/13 09:12 PM
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In Googling "male disposability", I came across this quote: Both sexes were disposable in the service of survival: women risked death in childbirth; men risked death in war. However, Farrell notes, there is a key difference: women's disposability emanated more from biology; men's required socialization. And exactly what I'm saying is to remove the gender stereotyping that men must universally be the protectors, the fighters, the aggressors.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 07:49 PM
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So both of these situations are fucked up. But this makes me think the difference is not mostly due to the sex of the murderer, but in large part because of the noise of two different cases. Like, if you showed me these two, I would be shocked at the short sentences long before I'd be looking for gender bias.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 05:32 PM
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Downvoting for tone, not for the informative source. The problem with that paper, as I see it, is that the point I think you're trying to pull out of it (that children need a mother and father over two mothers, two fathers, or a single parent) is mired by other factors. Being a single parent makes it a challenge to raise children primarily. Differing parenting techniques for children of different sexes are also a problem. These factors are influenced by the sex of the parent and their perception…
/r/MensRights04/04/13 03:36 PM
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You could complain about it or explain what you mean.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 01:34 PM
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Tell me a couple of things you believe men should learn that women don't need to learn.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 03:57 AM
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The statement's not by itself, but it is wrong. The necessity for a particular sex combination in parenting for proper development is overblown. Growing up to be a responsible adult is vastly more important than the differences between sexes, which are largely stereotypical and harmful to perpetuate.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 02:29 AM
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I don't think there's nearly as much difference between "being a man" and "being a woman" as people think. In fact, most things one might think of are harmful and perpetuate stereotypes that don't need to exist. It's really just "being a responsible adult". And that does not require a specific sex combination of parent and child.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 10:09 PM
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"A woman can't teach a boy how to be a man." Really? It's this kind of logic that people use to object to gay marriage.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 09:54 PM
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There's that much censorship because discussing sexism or feminism on the Internet or even showing a woman on screen results in all the worst comments. If a feminist came to mensrights, she would get downvoted, but she wouldn't get banned if she was asking questions. I know from personal experience this is correct. You get banned from almost all of the fem sub reddits, even for asking politely worded questions. They instantly start accusing you of being privileged etc, then you're banned. I don'…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 12:01 AM
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There's a difference between a 101 space and a dedicated topic discussion space. First of all, just to get this out of anyone's head, "free speech" has no value on Reddit. It's only what each subreddit allows and feels will benefit the community. It's easy to rag on /r/atheism or /r/feminism or whatever for not catering to questions at the core of their purpose. "What, you can't stand up to harsh criticism?" No, that's not quite it. These subreddits just don't want to waste time rehashing the ab…
/r/MensRights31/03/13 06:02 PM
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Feminists never debate with anyone. At best they give an ad hominem and leave it there. This should also explain there can't ever be a productive discussion or collaboration with the Feminist movement. It is in their deepest nature to avoid any and all critique, bash the people who present it and if it doesn't work, defame him/her at any cost. Seriously? You seriously think that. Okay. It's not surprising that SRS became what it is. Minorities on Reddit clump together to comment on the majority.…
/r/MensRights31/03/13 05:07 PM
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I don't believe this problem is prevalent enough to warrant propagating this idea, especially in light of other negative side effects. Rape victims already do not feel obligated to report being victimized, and sometimes feel obligated not to. To focus on the message of this poster is to exacerbate the known problem of under-reporting of rape in order to potentially educate on a much less frequent problem.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 08:53 PM
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Wasn't the incident in India in public, with people watching? And it revealed a systemic and cultural problem about attitudes towards sexual assault? This South African one implies none of that.
/r/MensRights24/03/13 12:12 AM
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Feminism to me is about gender equality and removing gender biases. This incident exploded in all the wrong ways. She acted too rashly, the companies firing people were idiotic, but creating an environment welcoming to all, including women, is a goal worth striving for. And that last bit, alongside the idea of feminism itself, is stupidly getting caught in the crossfire.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 06:13 PM
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First, I don't believe fears of women exploiting whatever legal privilege you think they have are that common. Second, they are different. It is reasonable, I find, in public, to use statistics to make choices for yourself. When you go out, who you sit next to on the subway, where you go. This is out of a practicality that you cannot personally assess every individual you pass by. You must remain open to the idea that every person can possess wildly different personality traits and histories tha…
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:41 PM
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Twitter is not the same space as physically speaking at a presentation at a conference.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 05:21 PM
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I assume from your Schrodinger’s comments that you doubt being victim to rape is any more common with women than with men. Let’s not beat around the bush. I’m already arguing and reading sources others have given me on this, so I’d like to table that point. But I am curious: would you find Schrodinger’s rapist valid if women were assaulted ten times more than men, or quite commonly in general? I’m asking about the concept, basically. Is it valid to you? In reading (most of) your story, and assum…
/r/MensRights23/03/13 01:04 AM
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Make sure you're able to refute every one of these.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:28 AM
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Not quite. Some of us don't like seeing feminism and women in general dragged down along with her rash action that resulted in far too much escalation.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:46 PM
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There could have been valid reasons to not address the individuals, like not wanting to start an argument or be harassed. She did not use that reasoning and instead jumped zealous to public shaming, which I disagree with. I only mention these possibilities to at least open up the idea that not everyone wants to confront a situation personally. One is not a child to ask for rules to be enforced by those responsible for enforcing them. Again, you can despise her methodology, but you're attacking t…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:37 PM
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Given that she has taken rash action before in similar ways, I would now say yes. But I do not believe the people downvoting me all day were so reserving or conservative of judgement before more of her history came out. The incident alone should not be cause for termination.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 03:27 PM
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She's not a bad person for tweeting a picture of two people breaking the rules of a conference and calling for action. No one should have been fired here.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 01:09 AM
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No one should have been fired here.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 12:42 AM
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It was never implied that she believed they were talking about her. Discussions of a sexual nature were not allowed. It's really that easy.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 11:48 PM
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It was hardly private if she heard from a few seats away. Practically nothing is private in a convention hall with packed seating.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 09:15 PM
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I am also shaky on the ethics of the public forum of Twitter, but it's not unreasonable to see that as her most accessible and quick method of having action taken. Her motivations were also to publicly shame, however, so that further muddles the issue. I don't know how it got people fired. It shouldn't have blown up past her questionable reporting method. I'm upset with her a small amount for jumping quickly to public shaming. I'm more upset with the reaction of people being fired over what was …
/r/MensRights21/03/13 07:28 PM
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They removed the two and talked with them (I assume) about how what they were doing was inappropriate. That was the action. If they weren't violating any standards, they would have taken no action. The aftermath of people being fired has nothing to do with PyCon, to be clear.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 07:18 PM
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She asked and the organizers enforced the rules of the conference, which obviously included stopping inappropriate speech within it. She had a problem with someone around her that was covered by the rules.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 07:06 PM
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If she was out of line with conference rules, they wouldn't have done anything. If she continually made false claims or caused disruptions during the conference, she could have been removed. But that didn't happen. They are PyCon's standards.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 06:51 PM
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You continue to appeal to a disproportionate under-reporting from male rape victims without substantiating it with evidence. Until you do, I will continue to accept that messages and ads that target men are going to be the more effective choice. And I have seen ads that show both sides of the coin, as well. Individual ones showing the importance of consent for a male and female desiring sex. This is not a casual debate if you don't present evidence for your claims. I want to know where you get y…
/r/MensRights21/03/13 06:38 PM
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...In a public space, which a conference is not.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 06:27 PM
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I feel you have a misunderstanding by using the term "easily offended". Not everyone has a choice whether to be bothered by a term, subject, or imagery. Some people just have involuntary, negative reactions. She likely did not, but wanted to make it so that fewer people would have to deal with or address this kind of behavior in the future. Not that I entirely defend her actions. In society, we cater to the most common of these involuntary triggers with obscenity laws. At a conference, the rules…
/r/MensRights21/03/13 05:57 PM
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Twitter is a space where each user makes his or her own rules. If she wants to be vulgar on her account, she should go for it, as long as she accepts her company's response, if any. It's about the conference rules. I brought up the company representation aspect to emphasize the tone of the conference.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 05:45 PM
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I believe there's a difference between how you outwardly treat someone and how you weigh possibilities in your mind. "Schrodinger's rapist" is about addressing the very real, statistical possibilities women have to face every day and why they may act defensively in public spaces. It's women mitigating their own behavior. The post I replied to supports discrimination based on sex in a situation in which a full interview or understanding of the person is expected. It's affecting the individual bei…
/r/MensRights21/03/13 05:35 PM
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Actually there are reports saying that it is a fairly even split between men and women committing the crimes. Quite a bit needs to be presented before dismantling the data and trends currently known for sexual assault. Under reporting of rape is terrible, and it is not exclusively a problem of either sex. Feminists like myself encourage compassion if anyone confides to being a victim of sexual assault. Gender equality includes dissolving gender stereotypes, including "toughing it out" for males …
/r/MensRights21/03/13 02:49 AM
-1

Where is preference or responsibility given based on sex?
/r/MensRights21/03/13 02:26 AM
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It's not reducing to stereotypical male roles to want to include and accommodate as many people as possible. It's a mistake to conflate attempting diversity with preferential treatment. It's in everyone's best interests to try and incorporate as many different kinds of people into, say, Python computing as possible. Instead of insisting our uninviting atmosphere is the way we shall continue and pushing others to their own separate niches, it is vastly more productive to unify, combine talents an…
/r/MensRights21/03/13 02:12 AM
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Where does she explicitly say that she is targeting men and not women? My impression is that she wants an environment that is free of sexual or inappropriate humor, regardless of the sex of person it comes from.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 12:46 AM
0

I don't understand how these "privileges" relate to today. Are you saying that since the majority of technology or conferences were created by men that women should have less say in how they are used, created, or run in the future?
/r/MensRights21/03/13 12:44 AM
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Right, because the best thing you can do is think sexism is excused because a woman did something you consider rash. Every woman is responsible for representing the entirety of her sex at all times.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 12:37 AM
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The difference she posits is that this was a professional conference during a presentation. A conference in which most everyone there is representing a company. One could make the argument that sexual humor does not belong there. Please note that I'm not defending her moving to online public shaming as the first step, but bonch is making a false equivalency.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 12:33 AM
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Preventing the passing of legislation that would define envelopment as rape. Deliberately, never talking about what the research is saying about rates of female sexual aggression (more or less equal these days) and only telling one side of the story. Intimidating and harassing advocates for male rape victims that try to work in their victim support agencies. Feminism does the same thing with domestic violence, it has been covering up the truth about it for 3 decades. These are news to me. I'd lo…
/r/MensRights21/03/13 12:30 AM
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Because some well-timed links to the other side of the sexual abuse coin invalidate the fact that the vast majority of sexual abuse and assault is committed by men? And furthermore that victims feel ashamed to report it?
/r/MensRights21/03/13 12:13 AM
1

Feminists cover up female rapists and male victims? When?
/r/MensRights21/03/13 12:11 AM
2

She's not the disturber. Her elevator video was innocuous. The response was a massive shitstorm. She replied with something rude, but nowhere near what she received. She was only a catalyst for revealing a huge sexist streak in the skeptical/atheistic movement.
/r/MensRights19/09/12 03:26 AM
1

Hyperbole, but fine. Still a measured response compared to the shit that gets thrown at her daily.
/r/MensRights19/09/12 03:10 AM
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She can dislike the vitriol present in this ongoing debate, but she should know that it started with (and continues to be present in) the backlash of Rebecca's video. Go check out those comments to remind yourself of just how big of assholes those anti-feminists there are. I don't defend false accusations of sexism or misogyny, but... I also haven't seen that. Who among the prominent bloggers was stepping out of line?
/r/MensRights18/09/12 02:22 AM
1

I wasn't defending the picture, I assure you, and if it came off that way, I didn't mean it that way. That's why I asked about how they should be drawn and if there are identifiable Islamic clothing or something. But that's really not an important question. I know the reason why I don't leave /r/atheism, but I don't know if it's really a good one. I see the movement of people and users in a never-ending quest for seclusion, and I find it to be futile, elitist (I never use that word), and almost …
/r/MensRights10/02/12 03:18 AM
1

I take your post very seriously, and I find it difficult and futile to disagree with it in general. The Arab/Muslim thing is a hard divide. How do you draw an identifiable Muslim without invoking what the vast majority of them look like? Are there religious garbs you could use to get the point across and not envelop the whole of the region's people? I think the issue with, I suppose, Reddit in general is that the most popular posts will be ones that are quick and easy to digest and, therefore, u…
/r/MensRights09/02/12 08:56 PM
1

Seriously. Any respectable feminist that's worth paying attention to already agrees with equality of the draft. This is such a non-issue.
/r/MensRights09/02/12 01:47 AM
1

I don't buy this "white male privilege" thing influencing the subreddit. (Do not take that as a denial of white male privilege in society, however.) Yes, I'm sure the vast majority of those in /r/atheism, myself included, are those two things, but where is that regularly expressed negatively in the community? Because, for one, I'll downvote that shit. For another, I posit that those are isolated incidents that do not represent the whole. Again, when I reply to stupid things I see (and don't get …
/r/MensRights09/02/12 01:14 AM
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I don't think this is obvious. This is one guy, not the whole of /r/atheism. I mean, I'm a member of it, an atheist, and I'm no idiotic jerk.
/r/MensRights08/02/12 10:56 PM
2

If this were a recurring event, I'd agree, but I don't even remember this. I don't extrapolate too much from what I consider isolated events until I see them often enough to call them consistent. A few times where idiots get upvoted, I get mad, sure. When it comes up all the time, I get severely frustrated (/r/politics). Usually, though, if I make a comment in opposition to what I consider an offending post, and if I don't get downvoted to oblivion early, I find that there are many people like m…
/r/MensRights08/02/12 10:54 PM
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Saw this post after PZ posted about it. What makes you dislike /r/atheism so, so much? Describing it as a cancer? Really? I enjoy the community of like-minded people who are allowed to vent about the religious bullshit they see in the world. I don't see a cesspool of anti-humanist sentiments there at all. Am I misunderstanding this situation? This post has nothing to do with the AA, I guess.
/r/MensRights08/02/12 06:57 PM
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