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| 1 | Why do some people say men are more immature than women?1)Some men tend to be ultra competitive, This seems immature from women's perspective 1) Possible, but then women can be ultra competitive in different areas as well. Men's competition may just be more visible, and women's competition hidden. 2)Some men have hobbies that seem childish to women, like for example video games or playing with miniature trains. (not that I agree, there's nothing wrong with having some fun with whatever you like) 2) Possible, but women have silly hobbies, too. Just lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/16 02:58 AM |
| 1 | do women underestimate male sexuality?I doubt women are really unaware. What it is, is it's unpleasant for them to continually deal with so they choose to ignore it when it suits them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/16 04:27 PM |
| 6 | Large Study on Online Dating. Female Selectivity, Assortative Matching, Initiator's Advantage, and Many Other Relevant Topics Discussed.It's true that women put more effort into appearance, but the reason is stronger than this. Men have higher sex drives than women, so when a woman puts in effort into her appearance, it pays off, like pouring gasoline on a fire. When a man does the same, it's like pouring gasoline into the ocean. If he dumps enough, it might eventually drift into some whale blubber and ignite, but it costs a lot more in terms of effort. In comparison to the woman, he gets a higher relative return out of putting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/16 04:07 PM |
| 6 | How much do you think women care about how good the sex is for men?Unless he's Brock Turner | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/16 05:13 PM |
| 0 | How much do you think women care about how good the sex is for men?So? I have watched porn before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/16 05:08 PM |
| 1 | How much do you think women care about how good the sex is for men?This. The woman just has to be available. The mans erection is literally a performance. Plus, it makes it less of a mystery if he's enjoying it or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/16 04:56 PM |
| 1 | If people are entitled to a 'living' minimum wage, college, and healthcare, should men be entitled to sex with prostitutes?Your a) and b) aren't opposites. Although I'd never fuck a person I hated, I can see how some men could and be nonchalant about that aspect, BUT still be very emotional about the she's-gotta-be-super-wowed-by-me part. I suspect narcissistic types fall into this category. The latter feeling is about the self, the former is about the other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/16 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Either both sexes are oppressed, or neither is.Men can be non-oppressed as a class in the gender system, but still disadvantaged or harmed by parts of that gender system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/16 04:44 PM |
| 2 | [Q4BP] Those of you who say that being [nice] / [a decent human] is not an advantage, but just a baseline expectation, what do you think of this fact?I have seen the phrase used in erotic sense Here on PPD? Examples? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/16 03:29 PM |
| 4 | [Q4BP] Those of you who say that being [nice] / [a decent human] is not an advantage, but just a baseline expectation, what do you think of this fact?That doesn't change the fact that being a decent person is just a baseline expectation. No one gets a cookie for not having a criminal history, going to church, or not being an alcoholic. That being said, the expectation is platonic. It applies in general, not to sexual attraction. Hence once again, one group of people is speaking in platonic terms and the other is speaking in erotic terms. In erotic terms, sure, being a criminal can be an advantage, but it's not guaranteed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/16 03:21 PM |
| 1 | Why the heck would anyone want to be a woman?You've internalized a lot of self-hating thoughts, which isn't surprising for any woman who spends a lot of time around the pillosphere. 1) Do you mean higher standards in terms of number of men they're attracted to? Then probably, but you only need one person to be in a relationship with. Once you've found the right one that crosses the threshold of satisfaction, it makes no difference that you're not as attracted to other guys. 2) Okay, but TRP aside, we now know that's not true. In a long ter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/16 05:55 AM |
| 3 | Question for women: Does anyone else prefer their (male) potential LTRs to have a low partner count?I get this idea in my head that men are collectively laughing behind our backs and thinking "Haha, women are a bunch of suckers. They think we love them but really we are just using them for sex!" This is interesting, but not true. There is no collective male hivemind, we're laughing at you individually. :-) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/16 05:33 AM |
| 0 | Question for both pills: what are some very alpha activities to engage in?No, it's just for very impressive activities. But it's undeniable that TRP frames one of the reasons to be alpha as "women are attracted to it." I've criticized them before on this count, but as it's PPD, it is what it is. Plus, I don't blame women for being attracted to this. If I were a woman, I think I would be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/16 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Who really takes TRP Seriously?I think it's done some real damage, as well as helped some. It was a bigger boogeyman in my head before I started gaining some understanding of the theory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/16 02:46 PM |
| 1 | "Relationships are a zero sum game" is an evolutionarily impossible phenomenon.I was going to ask you about where you were getting your stuff from anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/16 02:05 AM |
| 1 | "Relationships are a zero sum game" is an evolutionarily impossible phenomenon.Why can't group selection drive the evolution of sexuality? With respect to point 1., isn't that just another reason for meiosis and recombination, like you said? Are 99% of the changes brought about by meiosis detrimental? Remember, meiosis doesn't cause mutation in the individual parent's genes. Rather, a different set of chromosomes is passed to the child. With respect to 2., what if the gene that controls whether reproduction is sexual is stable, and mutation is suppressed, but other genes r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/16 03:45 PM |
| 1 | "Relationships are a zero sum game" is an evolutionarily impossible phenomenon.This sort of makes sense, but isn't it a conflation of evolutionary benefit versus benefit to a person? One hypothesis for the development of sexual reproduction is that it generates more genetic variation. Species that reproduce sexually are much older on the evolutionary tree, on average, than species that reproduce asexually. The latter go extinct at a much faster rate. The reason for this, is supposedly that reproductive meiosis and recombination create genetic variation at a much faster rat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/16 08:29 AM |
| 1 | Book recommendations for someone who's not a feminist, but has an open mind?Thank you, excellent answer! I am looking for something like that myself. The only caution I have is that, no further explanation is needed for the desire for power. But to put these questions in an evolutionary context would be fascinating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/16 08:25 PM |
| 0 | Book recommendations for someone who's not a feminist, but has an open mind?Also, I've seen how intricately evolutionary biology can give apparent agency to things that are totally random on the basis of the "cui bono?" principal, and so I'm suspicious of any theoretical framework that doesn't take something like that into account. Can you elaborate on this a bit more? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/16 08:05 PM |
| 2 | What is it about the female psyche that causes them to stay with abusive partners against all logic, practicality, and even the safety of their children?Seriously. How many guys on rFA would willingly get beat up a couple times a month if they could be with Megan Fox? I'd consider it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/16 05:26 PM |
| 2 | What is it about the female psyche that causes them to stay with abusive partners against all logic, practicality, and even the safety of their children?With the important exceptions of fear of violence and money, most of that list just reads as a parade of excuses. And it doesn't explain why a superstar like Rihanna continued to defend and get back together with her abuser for years. The reality is, abusers are not 100% bad people, and combined with the fact that the masculinity associated with a physically violent personality can be very attractive, it can add up to a compelling reason to stay. For these women, the benefit outweighs the cost. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/16 05:20 PM |
| 6 | If 1 in 5 women are raped in college, this would give the US a 20% higher amount of rape than the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Thoughts?Makes me think American men are barbaric compared to civilized African men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/16 12:49 AM |
| 1 | are all revolts/revolutions/rebellions technically beta uprisings?A beta is highly unlikely to be leading an uprising to begin with -- this is probably the definition of a non-beta activity. Revolutionaries tend to be alpha. Whether the people they are revolting against are alpha depends, but in the modern world I would say they are, as well. However, depending on how entrenched their power is, this may be less true. In the days of monarchy, some Kings were definitely beta in many of their behaviors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 11:01 PM |
| 0 | Are "attractive" women extremely unlikely to approach a man, but if they did what men would they be targeting?because he can't be bothered to perform masculinity by playing the salesman | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Pain, Rage, and Shitty People; why the "right" is on the riseI don't agree, I saw feminism self destruct well before the rise of the so called populist right, and it had nothing to do much with men. Long story short I think a lot of them stopped standing for anything and basically spent their energy going at each other's throats. The same thing that happened to the 2nd wavers in the 70s. What comes in to fill the vacuum after that can be pretty much anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 08:24 PM |
| 2 | Are "attractive" women extremely unlikely to approach a man, but if they did what men would they be targeting?Well it'd be ideal for the high value woman and the high value man she chooses. The low value man in the ditching end is the loser here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/16 07:59 PM |
| 20 | Is "mansplaining" the result of the burden of performance?No you don't. Let me explain... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 12:56 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What do you think of the Red Pill saying "enjoy the decline"?The decline? I'm all for it. This society is a shithole anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/16 12:14 AM |
| 4 | Do the gender roles exist primarily because of the other gender?Good question. I imagine light can be shed on this matter by looking at single sex communities, such as gay or lesbian. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/16 05:04 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: Does hypergamy in women exist?True. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 04:51 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If feminists and women's studies college programs cared more about getting women in stem fields, they would change getting a women's studies degree to include multiple stem classesThis is libertarian reductionism. "If a choice is made, it is therefore good, and therefore the end of discussion." That is a valid viewpoint for naive libertarians. It is not for people interested in critical looks at society and how it shapes human behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 04:31 PM |
| 2 | Become Obsessed With Your GoalsBecome obsessed with everything you do, is the ideal. Whatever you do, lose yourself in it. | /r/TheRedPill | 24/05/16 04:27 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Does hypergamy in women exist?I didn't realize how controversial RP ideas are TRP goes out of its way to make itself controversial. If it wasn't controversial it wouldn't be TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 04:25 PM |
| 8 | Just curious why society thinks it is OK to shame older men who have relationships with younger women?Now explain why nobody has a problem with a young dude and and old woman. 1) Because it's so uncommon. 2) Society is conditioned to see women as victims more than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 04:22 PM |
| 10 | Just curious why society thinks it is OK to shame older men who have relationships with younger women?Of course there are outliers. But on average, it's true. The average 40 year old is more mature and wise in the ways of the world and less naive than the average 20 year old. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 04:01 PM |
| 23 | Just curious why society thinks it is OK to shame older men who have relationships with younger women?The one I've heard of is the power differential, because you supposedly have a huge advantage over her. You have to think of it this way: The average adult makes a large number of mistakes in life and these add up over the years. Therefore, the average adult looks back at the person they were 5 or 10 years ago and thinks "man, I was really stupid then." So the average 40 year old looks back at their 30 year old self and thinks "man, I was really stupid." The average 30 year old looks back at the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 03:51 PM |
| 5 | CMV: If feminists and women's studies college programs cared more about getting women in stem fields, they would change getting a women's studies degree to include multiple stem classesWell obviously, but WHY don't they like it? And can anything be done about it? Or rather-- what should be done about it? And of course there's something wrong with it. STEM is the future. People who do not study STEM will be disadvantaged. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 03:32 PM |
| 8 | Q4BP: Does hypergamy in women exist?This is polarization. It refers to people who do something controversial or offbeat with their presentation. On a micro level, sure, this appears to be a contradiction of uniform feminine standards for the alpha. But on the macro level, all such acts of rebellion are indications of confidence and the courage to stand out, which is an alpha trait. This is very different than the typical case of the 1, which is more like what /u/questioningwoman said (although not as extreme - maybe just very fat … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 02:35 PM |
| 6 | Q4BP: Does hypergamy in women exist?Take the universe of men for which the following holds: 70% of women consider this man a 1. Now what is the probability that the remaining 30% consider him a 5? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 02:09 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Does hypergamy in women exist?That part, at least. I think BPers object to the weirdness of it all and the politics. Then again, TBP is in a symbiotic relationship with TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 01:59 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Does hypergamy in women exist?women to seek out the best alpha available women are attracted to powerful men If the male fails shit tests to a great enough degree If the guy doesn't impress the girl Forgive the obvious question, but how is all this not just rephrasing common sense in mumbo jumbo? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 01:48 PM |
| 1 | To BP: How can "feminists" claim to be independent when they mostly major in jobs that require govt support based upon productive male taxes?Wow, this thread blew up. The underlying assumption here is that the government is unproductive because it is financed through taxes. So if the government hires a teacher who teaches 30 kids algebra this year, the act of the teaching has no intrinsic value because the teacher was working for the government, which is financed through taxes. Whereas, the exact same work, if done at a private school, would have intrinsic value because that teacher's salary is financed through consumer spending. I h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/16 03:04 AM |
| 3 | Is it fair to blame being FTO'd on your lack of social success?So a couple of Chads are oh so festive and Pawsitvely adorable! Hyuk hyuk, if I did that I would get arrested for public indecency and endangerment of animals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/16 05:41 PM |
| 3 | If male and female brains are different, doesn't that prove transgenders are right?Transgenderism suggests that human brains are on a continuum with no clear delineation between male and female. For if a boy can be born with a girl brain, then surely a boy can be born with a half-girl, half-boy brain. To me, transgenderism is just further proof that gender is a social construct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/16 05:36 AM |
| 3 | Does a wall truly exist for women? Is it as involuntary as TRP says?This. Firstly, some of the wall is cultural. It's later in the West than in some Asian countries. I won't mention a certain viral video that made the rounds last month. Secondly, to the extent there's a wall for women, there's a wall for men, too. Thirdly, just what you said. Due to the over-representation of RP men on PPD, and their tendency to overgeneralize their ideology's statement about what a man wants to all men, RP men are sometimes conflated with all men. A man who wants a permanent LT… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 10:06 PM |
| 1 | CMV: For all it's paranoia about women's sexual history, TRP acts like it wants to catch a social disease.Exactly, while for a small minority there are serious symptoms, the worst thing about herpes for many people is knowing you have it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 06:13 PM |
| 4 | Feminine/Feminist Aspects of theRedPillHe was in the same position as a supplicant before the sale, whether or not he saw himself as one is irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 06:04 PM |
| 2 | Feminine/Feminist Aspects of theRedPill...and your relation to them determines your status (alpha, beta, omega). That's completely opposite to what the RP teaches. The number one piece of advice is to learn a proper balance of alpha/beta to maximize sexual success How is 'maximize sexual success' for men not the same as 'relation to women' in a het sexual context? RP does not teach that men lift to become more attractive to women. RP teaches that men lift to be better men. How does lifting help you become a better man, besides being … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 05:20 PM |
| 6 | Feminine/Feminist Aspects of theRedPillA good, thoughtful answer overall. It’s not really an insult or argument to say, “That part of TRP is pro-woman!” True. It’s your value that’s attracting women. Women are a by-product of being awesome. I think this is the best possible way you can frame the TRP position, but it's still not entirely right. I doubt many women are super attracted Stephen Hawking, yet surely he has contributed more to the world than these guys? I guess feminists can get behind The Red Pill on that one? I think so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 04:56 PM |
| 3 | Feminine/Feminist Aspects of theRedPillWhat thread? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 04:43 PM |
| 3 | Feminine/Feminist Aspects of theRedPillSupplication can be motivated by selfishness as well. The relevant fact is not the psychology of the person but the frame of the power dynamic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 04:41 PM |
| 2 | Feminine/Feminist Aspects of theRedPillis not SUPPLICATION, it is sales QED, atlas. The essence of sales and supplication are the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 04:26 PM |
| 3 | If men are more loyal than women, why do men leave their wives more when the wife gets sick?This is a transactional view of relationships See my fourfold classification. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/16 08:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The only real difference between SJW's and the Alt-Right/Anti-PC movement is the stuff they talk about; their tactics are basically the sameYes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/16 07:59 PM |
| 6 | CMV: The only real difference between SJW's and the Alt-Right/Anti-PC movement is the stuff they talk about; their tactics are basically the sameThe difference is the SJW go out of their way to represent a group that is marginalized, whereas the alt right just hugs the center. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/16 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Extremely attractive blonde girl gives advice to men, what are your thoughts?No one here cares about your penis | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 08:25 PM |
| 1 | Extremely attractive blonde girl gives advice to men, what are your thoughts?99% of Asian men in the world compete against other Asian men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 08:10 PM |
| 1 | Extremely attractive blonde girl gives advice to men, what are your thoughts?We're (sometimes) smaller than gigantic white women, not Asian women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Egalitarianism: The radical notion that women are adultsWhy was this deleted? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 06:02 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?I just think, if I wanted to lose my friends for some reason and came at them with that insult, it wouldn't sting. It would just confuse them... EDIT: They accepted a long, long time ago (like high school) that they would never be casanovas, and we're basically okay with it. Like I accepted back then I'd never be an NBA basketball player. Do I like it, not necessarily, but does it still haunt me daily, or even yearly? No. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?That last bit is subjective and presumptuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 05:14 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?Okay, but why should the guy care if all his friends wives want to fuck him as long as his wife does? And how would he even know unless it happened? And why is the providership role not a success? As I said, my friends who are in this role seem happy with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 05:08 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?That makes a lot of sense, thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 04:26 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?I didn't mean to imply Alpha meant dumb. I'm just saying, these guys aren't losers by any means, except that they probably wouldn't be very successful if they tried to become promiscuous 'ladies men' or do pick up. They also wouldn't like TRP or the ideas espoused there. But they can get LTRs and in every other part of life they are reasonably successful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 04:16 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?Can they do that? So far, they all have. Basically, if I tried to introduce RP to them, they would laugh/brush it off because they feel they don't need it. It's sort of like a Jehovah's witness trying to solicit at the door of a happy atheist. If he feels nothing is missing, there is no motivation for him to seek out TRP. But these guys' cognitive mentalities are very BP, they just aren't unhappy. Is this a valid path for men to take that is just as good as successfully implementing RP? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 04:12 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?What do you mean? What's inaccurate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 04:09 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?It sounds from this like, what they're doing now is basically valid, except maybe they should be lifting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 04:05 PM |
| 5 | Extremely attractive blonde girl gives advice to men, what are your thoughts?It's more a matter of emphasis. BP treads lightly on the attractiveness part of the equation. RP treads heavily. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 03:59 PM |
| 2 | Is Romantic Self-Improvement an Inherently Right-wing Concept?Thanks. Would you like to join our project? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/16 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Is Romantic Self-Improvement an Inherently Right-wing Concept?I partially agree. Romantic self-improvement is a very individualistic endeavor and in that sense is right-wing. The focus on the individual means that the concerns of the community are de-emphasized, as are systemic analyses of how power acts in society. Instead, individual psychology (pointing to evolutionary psychology and biological immutable facts of human existence), and getting ahead of other individuals in the hierarchy of persons is emphasized. The romantic subject matter emphasizes het… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/16 07:49 PM |
| 2 | Is Romantic Self-Improvement an Inherently Right-wing Concept?Why do you say the left is anti-rationalist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/16 07:11 PM |
| 12 | The wall for actresses versus actorsWell with the best cosmetics/makeup/plastic surgery in the world available, the wall for actresses is later than the general population. However, unlike the real SMV, younger actresses don't dominate the market at an early age either. That's because there are more (and better) total movie roles for men than women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 11:39 PM |
| 5 | The Dented Can Store of the SMPIsn't this similar to the White Knight strategy that gets mocked so many often? "But I'm morally superior to those other guys." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 10:53 PM |
| 3 | The Dented Can Store of the SMPMaybe this works for women, but I don't see how it can work for men. Women with BPD, depression and deep insecurities will still have men throwing themselves at them, provided they're hot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 10:45 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The anger phase isn’t about being “betafied,” it’s about being naturally betaPlenty of RPers will admit that they are naturally beta. But they claim that they can overcome this by the explicit teachings of RP. Anyway, what's wrong with being beta? It means you're civilized. Did the Egyptians who pulled 10,000 giant slabs of hardened mud into the Great Pyraminds, or the Sumerians who irrigated Mesopotamia, need to be alpha or beta? How long would our society survive with 50 million Donald Trumps running around? The U.S. and Russia only made it past 1962 because the Russia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 10:30 PM |
| 4 | Q4BP: What is it about TRP that angers/concerns/offends you the MOST?I'm thinking about four different sexual relationship categories Platonic-Transactional There is no emotional or sexual connection, however the household remains together to preserve the family unit and joint economic project represented therein. Despised by feminists because it entails a division of labor that allows the man a career and independent means, and the wife is subordinate. Devastated by the welfare state and alimony. Platonic-Emotional There is no sexual attraction on either side, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 06:45 PM |
| 1 | Question 4 RedPill: Is it a contradiction to complain of women being more coddled but believe that women's sexual value is fixed/physical?Good answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 06:13 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP: What is it about TRP that angers/concerns/offends you the MOST?They say the kind of happiness you refer to doesn't exist, and beta guys who think they're in happy relationships are sad deep down because their wives aren't actually attracted to them. Whereas alpha guys' wives may be truly attracted, because it's only because he performed dominance in a transactional situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 06:02 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: What is it about TRP that angers/concerns/offends you the MOST?They will say that's why it was so hard to swallow the pill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 05:47 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: What is it about TRP that angers/concerns/offends you the MOST?But at least their hearts won't be broken? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 05:35 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP: What is it about TRP that angers/concerns/offends you the MOST?Elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 05:17 PM |
| 2 | Why aren't men attracted to the "bad girl" like women are attracted to the "bad boy"?Sure, the patriarchy puts her in her place. Once she realizes her high status man holds the real power, and there are 1000 other hot girls he can replace her with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/16 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Question 4 All: Do you believe that physical looks matter in a potential partner?Sorry. Dumbass comment. Anyhoo, I think these things are just misunderstandings. You/Emily and the other commenter were just emphasizing different things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/16 08:15 PM |
| 2 | Question 4 All: Do you believe that physical looks matter in a potential partner?Possibly, it depends on the context of the discussion. I can't say who's right and who's wrong on a previous thread here. Most likely there was just a misunderstanding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/16 07:37 PM |
| 8 | Question 4 All: Do you believe that physical looks matter in a potential partner?I was very surprised yesterday when multiple red pill users said that they thought physical looks should be mentioned every time a comment mentions other attractive traits That's because a lot of guys are oblivious to how much it matters, or what constitutes good looks. The rationale for not mentioning it is sound; it's rude, since why mention something that men have little control over? If you say you like blue eyed guys and I'm a brown eyed guy, it's just unpleasant, and helps no one. So you s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/16 04:10 PM |
| 2 | Question 4 RedPill: Is it a contradiction to complain of women being more coddled but believe that women's sexual value is fixed/physical?As I mentioned to archwinger, I agree with this, but I don't think TRP practices this strict separationism in practice. TRP makes statements and gives advice with all sorts of platonic, political and moral implications, and then retreats into the shell of sexual logic dynamics when confronted on any of those terms. But it's the logic of sexual value itself that is the foundation for many things you dislike (Women are Wonderful, coddling, and orbiting). In terms of the sexual market itself, do yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/16 03:29 PM |
| 1 | Both pills: do you have any beliefs that would be downvoted on your respective subreddit?I guess I spend more time here arguing with RP. Areas I disagree with BP - Primarily, their indifference to an alternate dating strategy for men and lack of pity for men struggling in relationships. Their seeming refusal to acknowledge women's advantage in the dating market, even when taking into account women's preference for relationships. An occasional lack of curiosity from BP about sexual market dynamics and sense that only a single viewpoint may be permitted, at the cost of free exploratio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/16 02:25 PM |
| 5 | What is YOUR definition of toxic masculinity?You decide when you do. This isn't the funeral of Mersault's mother. The point is the strong cry, but rarely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 11:38 PM |
| 3 | What is YOUR definition of toxic masculinity?Crying is a sign of weakness. No getting around it. Hence in a world where men are expected to carry strength, there's going to be a stigma. The saving grace here, IMO, is the danger of a single story. That is, a man can be strong in life yet weak in a single moment. If he's established himself as high status in life, then that single moment of weakness merely rounds out his humanity. If he's a thin-skinned mediocre with a leaky faucet that's where the stigma comes from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 11:28 PM |
| 5 | Question 4 RedPill: Is it a contradiction to complain of women being more coddled but believe that women's sexual value is fixed/physical?Where are you getting that? Because TRP often spills over into politics and other platonic matters. For instance, you guys oppose feminism, which is mostly a platonic ideology, and talk about how women are less capable than men in a number of areas that have nothing much to do with fucking. There's also a seamless transition in TRP from observations about the sexual market to advice about life in general, with no discussion of other realms of human existence (such as ethics) in the interim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 10:02 PM |
| 5 | Question 4 RedPill: Is it a contradiction to complain of women being more coddled but believe that women's sexual value is fixed/physical?The sexual market place isn't the end all be all of human value and ethics. True but when BP says this, you guys say it doesn't matter because you're only talking about the sexual marketplace. So why do you complain about coddling of women even when it's only within the sexual marketplace? For instance, the disgust over 'betas' that fawn of womens' Instagram accounts. They're only giving her her due in terms of value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 09:58 PM |
| 8 | Question 4 RedPill: Is it a contradiction to complain of women being more coddled but believe that women's sexual value is fixed/physical?So you're drawing a hard line between the sexual world and the platonic world? I thought TRPers were against that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 09:52 PM |
| 1 | Question 4 RedPill: Is it a contradiction to complain of women being more coddled but believe that women's sexual value is fixed/physical?Because it means value is being provided in lieu of behavior. So when others reciprocate the value it looks like coddling, or spoiling; as she is being treated well in lieu of her behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 09:51 PM |
| 11 | CMV: Redpill only exists because society mistreats menThe wage gap is simply a statistic. No one disputes it. What economists argue over is the reason for the statistic. Anti-feminists argue that if the statistic exists for reasons outside of blatant discrimination, then it's not significant, whereas feminists argue that it's still significant because of culture/structural reasons that cause it. But the existence of the gap itself is not in dispute. Raising awareness of the wage gap is important because, no matter which side of the debate you fall … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 01:33 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP How do you see TRP's ECs?GLO seems to exist to juggle. CWM was amusing because he was so far out extreme and went to such lengths to promote himself. I guess if you take them seriously they're horrific, but then so is much of TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 07:08 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP How do you see TRP's ECs?The two most entertaining members need to go? :-( | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 04:07 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: What did you all do as kids for fun? What was cool about it?thousands of hours sunk into civ Me too. I'm starting to think the whole cooties thing screwed me over in terms of potential friend pool. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 02:34 AM |
| 2 | Q4Women: What did you all do as kids for fun? What was cool about it?I literally got told (in the 90s!) that ladies didn't run and the majority of girls started skipping gym enmasse to wear impractical shoes. Haha, how absurd! and of course reading. Like what? Besides the obvious (Shel Silverstein, etc.) Nancy Drew as one of my favorites. I also secretly loved Gone With the Wind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 02:33 AM |
| 7 | Why hasn't TRP been banned yet?What major anti-PC subs besides fatpeoplehate and coontown have been banned? The reason probably will relate to the amount of brigading/harassment from the sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/16 04:58 PM |
| 1 | I would like nothing more than the fantasy to be real, but I accept that it isn'tMy mother made more than my father for about a decade. Not a trace of infidelity or my mother threatening to leave. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 11:53 PM |
| 3 | Could hardcore incels/KHVs be considered "red pilled"?Yeah, the problem with this logic is that you have a lot of Chads and near-Chads who learn one or two pickup tricks, get laid a lot, and then go on message board and reddit spouting all this "I UNDERSTAND TEH WOMIMMINZ!!" and it gets eaten up by insecure betas and omegas. They successfully sell, but it's not real understanding. It's more like their situation. They're selling snake oil. In any case, pickup is not just about understanding women. It's more importantly about understanding and master… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 02:41 PM |
| 2 | CMV: despite the popular notion of "don't workout/lift for girls, do it for yourself", most do it because it will make them more attractive to womenThink of it this way... how many men would still be in the gym if men thought weightlifting/fitness made them less attractive? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 06:01 PM |
| 5 | The person it seems like I have to become to stop being sexually frustrated ideologically disgusts me.I have felt the same way sometimes. It helped me to think of it intellectually. The traits that jerks and dominant assholes have are not bad traits. They can help in competition for resources, and may suggest good genes. Also, it's not necessarily wrong for men to be selfish. When we're growing up we're taught to sacrifice ourselves, but being taught that we'll be rewarded for putting ourselves first isn't necessarily bad news. After all, having our way is good, right? The disheartening thing to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 04:35 PM |
| 1 | My Podcast interviewing evolutionary psychologist Dr. Doug Lisle, PhD.Dr. Lisle seemed about 85% red pill, but he phrased everything in your typical toned-down, inoffensive and soporific/professional language guaranteed NOT to attract the attention or outrage TRP does. After listening, I am more convinced than ever that TRP is just a place where socially inept kids have basic concepts that are generally accepted explained very explicitly, and then they add this extra layer of outrageousness on top of it to draw attention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 03:47 AM |
| 1 | I make 4.5k a month as a sugar baby AMAHow many hours did you work during the month? How old was the guy(s)? What was the guy(s)'s income and/or wealth? Is it an easy business to get into? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 01:53 AM |
| 4 | Q4RP: Why is penetration or having sex submission/losing for a woman?So far the two main answers I've seen are In the days before birth control, a woman was taking a disproportionate risk by having sex, therefore she was losing. And somehow this is still true today despite the availability of BC. She's losing because it's easy. I don't see how this follows. By that standard, the nerd who aced a test without studying would be a loser, compared to the jock who spent $200 on tutoring but still failed. I may have misinterpreted the two answers above, but let me give … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/16 07:17 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Sexual strategy is often moral.We're talking about understanding of the facts. To understand certain facts you must understand their meaning and significance, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 11:18 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Sexual strategy is often moral.To put it simply, knowledge of the naked facts would also include knowledge of the morality of the naked facts. But how can you have knowledge of the morality of it if you cannot even discuss it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 10:16 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Sexual strategy is often moral.Me teaching someone else how to make a bomb isn't moral or immoral. First of all, that's a debatable statement; but TRP doesn't even allow discussion of these topics. Secondly, the issue here isn't just the teaching, it's also the understanding of bomb making. A full understanding of these topics is sociological and not just technical. A child can follow a set of instructions without understanding that she's making a bomb, or what bombs are. But a full understanding of bombs, and thus bomb makin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 09:56 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Sexual strategy is often moral.Sexual strategy is amoral, to state otherwise is to believe in the just world fallacy. false juxtaposition between jwf and sexual strategy's amorality. This is a trap TRPer's always fall into. I mentioned it in my post. Just because something does not have just outcomes, does not make it amoral. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 09:48 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Sexual strategy is often moral.https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1djuc7/puppies_randomly_punishedloved_develop_stronger/c9r0vu3 /u/redpillschool's post in the same thread. also on the sidebar | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 09:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Sexual strategy is often moral.You guys don't know your own doctrine? See what /u/alreadyredschool linked below. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 09:37 PM |
| 1 | All Pills: What is your guilty superficial "nope" trait?Brunettes are like 10 times more common than blondes, except for women that dye their hair. Redheads are sort of equally rare, except they're almost always mentioned positively, or as a counter-argument to some complaint about discrimination. "What if I said I didn't like redheads, would that be racist???" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/16 11:28 PM |
| 6 | Is Capitalism to Blame for the Agony of Hookup Culture?Sure it is. Capitalism has created cities and dating apps. Without all of this stuff, girls would be stuck marrying the farm boy down the street. The farm boy's family would also be stuck eating their own wheat. While a world without markets certainly seems miserable, it's undoubtedly true that some people would be happier. Especially if you consider a stable and loving social life as more important than material abundance and choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/16 04:38 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Not all non Redpill ideologies are from not knowing realityFascinating, I hadn't thought of it that way! But don't you think women's lack of responsibility was damaging to them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/16 04:32 AM |
| 3 | The Impossibility of IncelsI still stand by The Impregnable Case for Omega Incel Pessimism. What you are saying is true, but irrelevant. Many people in this thread have given counterarguments as to what incels' real problems are, but regardless of what the answer is (and undoubtedly it is different depending on the person), what matters consistently is: (1) the length of time they've been incel, and (2) the length of time they've been frustrated about it So long as both these conditions have endured for a long time, accor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/16 04:30 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Not all non Redpill ideologies are from not knowing realityThe author claims to be undoing social conditioning of the last 100 years, but it's a fallacy that what he advocates returns us to the past. Men didn't have to be 'masculine' in the 19th century either because women were chained to them through law and economics. He's advocating a brave new world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/16 03:47 PM |
| 2 | Has feminism in the US gone to far?Also, a drug addiction is a chemical process that overrides free will, similar to depression. I can empathize with that since I suffer from depression. There is no chemical process that compels someone to rape, however. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 09:42 PM |
| 6 | Has feminism in the US gone to far?Women exist in every sphere of society. Imprisoned drug addicts are a sphere of society, so women will exist in that sphere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 09:01 PM |
| 9 | Has feminism in the US gone to far?I don't see the issue here. Is anti-feminism about castigating poor drug addicted mothers whose daughters were just raped by her friends? You guys got no bigger fish to fry? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 08:46 PM |
| 1 | [CMV] Sleeping with fat girls because they're easy is no sin.III Corinthians 24:16 "And verily I say to thee, Thou shalt not lie with flatulence." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 07:38 PM |
| 5 | "I Was a Men's Rights Activist"The article proves how important academia is to the social left. Without it, we'd be screwed. Unfortunately it doesn't address any sexual market dynamics; the guy was an MRA, not red pill. It would be a lot more credible if the guy didn't now have a vested institutional interest in maintaining his beliefs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 07:15 PM |
| 2 | Why do male feminists so often have those hipster beards?Feminism is already unpopular enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 01:00 PM |
| 1 | Why do male feminists so often have those hipster beards?Not growing a beard is a matter of shaving, not a surgical procedure. A more appropriate comparison would be women cutting their hair short. Again, counterculture-Sixties aside, this was generally seen as progressive. For instance, it was a staple of the liberated "Flapper" style of the 20s, which coincided with women winning the right to vote. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 12:50 PM |
| 3 | Why do male feminists so often have those hipster beards?Beards are sexually dimorphous, so they emphasize the differences between men and women visually. Not exactly conducive to abolishing gender roles, or trans-friendly. And during most of human history, they were certainly seen as regressive. There's a reason modernizing Russian Tsars once discouraged the wearing of beards. In some places in the Middle East today, it's supposedly still an indication of religious conservatism. The post-1960s hipster spin on it as an alt-left status symbol is defini… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 12:27 PM |
| 15 | There's really no way to approach women without it being creepy.Most women don't want to be approached in public because a man's value is not visible the way a young woman's is. She flashes her value just by walking on the street; his is hidden. The only equivalent would be a guy wearing an Armani suit, and a $5,000 gold watch sitting in a room full of fat, ugly gold diggers. The approacher has low value and by revealing his desire, he is humiliating himself. That's before you get to all the cultural faux pax/I have to pretend I don't want to fuck you/creepy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 12:41 AM |
| 3 | The Guardian does a whole article on TRP calling it "the heart of modern misogyny." Thoughts?Gays are only 2% of the population, so gay misogynists are an even smaller share. Misogynists tend to be unhappy with their sex/romantic life, as the two are correlated. Female misogyny is internalized self-hatred, which is not the same thing as misogyny. These are relatively rare. Religious misogynists are largely in the past, particularly among young people in the West and Far East. If this was the Middle East you might have a point. "heart of misogyny" is right, IMO. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 10:47 PM |
| 2 | What would you think of this strategy for lower SMV women?So? Most low SMV women can get a date with a beta to con just by signing up to tinder. They don't need those truly disposable guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 10:28 PM |
| 2 | What would you think of this strategy for lower SMV women?A lot of omegas are incapable of being in a relationship. That's why they're omega. Example: An omega who never leaves his house except to work, never socializes out of a deep conviction that he's not good enough for most people. Since the lower SMV woman would never know of his existence, the lower SMV woman would never be able to use him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 10:26 PM |
| 4 | If a man got a super high n count by combining low standards and prostitution, is it still admirable?Not from a sexual conquest POV. But if it's what he wanted, then it wasn't bad either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 10:13 PM |
| 0 | Question for Red Pill Women: Why do you feel need to submit/obey/defer to your SO?Submissive women are unattractive. It's one thing to dominate a relationship because you're smarter, stronger, more knowledgeable, more powerful, or just have a more proactive personality. Your partner follows your leadership, but so does almost everyone else in your life. It's another thing to dominate a relationship because your partner has a submission fetish or has agreed to submit to you based on some philosophically thought out C/FM mantra, is too lazy to enjoy making decisions, or worse o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 08:37 PM |
| 4 | That good old case of female sexual power paradoxI think some women have internalized self-identity and image so deeply that it really is just self-referential. At most, a male PUA will start obsessing over his looks in his late teens or twenties when he realizes he's getting nowhere with women. Some girls seem to get it pounded into them from a very, very young age. Think of it as the difference between a guy who joins the Army at 18 and goes through basic training, versus a kid who saw his family get napalmed at age six and grew up fighting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 07:21 PM |
| 2 | Man is tricked in to raising another man's kid. When it's revealed he loses custody because he isn't the father but the child support he paid will not be returnedI just had a thought. What if someone created a lab that bought the sperm of successful / attractive men, and then sold it for money? Women could search the sperm bank for alpha men who look plausibly similar to their SO. Would this work as a business? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 04:03 PM |
| 2 | TRP spilling out in TwoXThey don't see it as conflicted. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/04/16 02:16 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP and TBP cannot debate each other because they have very different definitions of what is considered "successful" in the dating and sex marketideals of TRP ideals or ideas? I thought TRP claimed not to have any ideals. Women are exposed to TRP ideas all the time. It's just not called TRP. Most TRP ideas are disseminated outside of the TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 01:49 PM |
| 2 | Female friendship is worthless unless you're Chad.The misogynistic denigration with friendship with women going all the way back to the inception of PUA culture simply exposes that misogyny depends on reducing women to their sexual function. Since friendship is strictly platonic, it is on the opposing team. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 11:18 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.Yeah, Middle Tennessee will defeat Michigan State once in a while. But it's still Middle Tennessee. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 09:40 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.he was diagnosed with emphysema I'm sorry. Yeah, that is the external event that caused a shift in the system. If a fairy pointed a Magic Gun at my head and said if you don't get laid in a week, I will fire, I would get laid in a week. Your dad's emphysema was his Magic Gun. Sometimes that happens... But we can't just will a Magic Gun into our lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 09:38 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.Subjectively, there is free will. But objectively, there isn't. but if it's hidden, how do you know whether or not it's already there? Well there are some objections here about observers changing what they're observing (details, details), but in general, you could see it if you had the right instruments. Similarly if you knew the angle and velocity and mass of a ball and the force of gravity and air resistance, you could predict its trajectory. The future trajectory is already embedded in the pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 09:29 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.incorrect in terms of practicality. It is practical if one can truly accept this fate and be okay with it. That is as hard as accepting the red pill is for some people. It is the real red pill for others. I don't want to sound like black pill. They wallow in hopelessness so they can be victims and make excuses. This is more like accepting hopelessness so you rearrange your priorities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 09:21 PM |
| 4 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.This is probably the best answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 09:09 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.How old are you now? And how long were you frustrated? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 08:45 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.This is a very good answer, because the synapse thing gets at the mechanics of what is going on here, but unfortunately it is subject to the same rejoinder. If a person was going to turn off the autopilot, they would have already. Understanding the mechanics of it does not make it any easier. They are where they are today, because of their previous synapse connections, and those connections also determine where they will be tomorrow. There is only a probability of successful "change", and the on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 08:31 PM |
| 0 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.Ugh. Life is still worth living, even if we're in a pretty low position on the SMV. <3 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 08:15 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.You don't get it, but I don't blame you. This is why my argument is so ingenious -- it's almost too simple. It's practically a tautology. No matter what you say -- buy a prostitute, believe in self improvement, fear of humiliation -- I can just say, if I were going to do X, I would have done it already. Purely from a probabilistic standpoint. A dude believes in self improvement, invests in it and gets results. To your metaphysical worldview this shouldn't be possible. Yet in reality, it happened… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 08:12 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The impregnable case for omega incel pessimism.Feel free to ignore that part. I sort of digressed into philosophy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 08:03 PM |
| 20 | "Token Resistence is Common"There are hardly any minorities who enjoy racism against them or gays who enjoy homophobia. But there are women who enjoy putting up token resistance. Men weren't inhumane back then either. The understanding was, you push past token resistance but never all the way, unless resistance melts into excited acquiescence. This could have been part of the animal dance or game. Now people get it confused with rape because they can't tell foreplay from the main event. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 07:29 PM |
| 9 | "Token Resistence is Common"You think the old scripts and attitudes completely went away? They're still around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 06:58 PM |
| 13 | "Token Resistence is Common"You've never watched old movies, like this or this? Makes me think this sort of thing used to be a lot more blatant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 06:45 PM |
| 1 | We can sense things about the opposite gender through pheromonesEven a beautifully aged 24 year old will look different than an 18 year old. I agree with you about the "smell" fear/desperation, alpha/beta spectrum, nervousness detection claims, but you haven't proven that it's based on hormones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/16 11:34 PM |
| 3 | Q4Feminists: What feminist writings do you wish that RPers would read?I'm suggesting female hypergamy is at odds with feminism. It's not difficult to see that the more hypergamous women collectively are, the more difficult it is to square that collective desire with another collective desire for status equality between the sexes. The whole thing is incoherent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/16 11:24 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Sexual desires and strategies are submoralIt is an amateur attempt to classify subjective phenomena. "What is and is not" however, is objective phenomena. For example, Paris is located in France regardless of what goes on in my mind, and 5 + 5 = 10 regardless of whether I'm straight or gay. The difference between subjective and objective phenomena is clear. The different classifications within subjective or objective phenomena however, are endlessly complicated. For example, objective phenomena can be divided between physical phenomena … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/16 09:39 PM |
| 6 | Q4Feminists: What feminist writings do you wish that RPers would read?It doesn't invalidate her as a feminist, but it does point to structural problems for feminism. An analogy would be - yes, you can be a SAHM and a feminist, but if all women chose to be SAHMs, that would contradict the notion that women should also be 50% of CEOs. If all women really are hypergamous, it's absurd to expect women to achieve equality in the Platonic spheres of life because men will always have more incentive. They will have intrinsic incentive plus incentive from SMV, whereas women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/16 05:30 PM |
| 2 | The Non-Western Wall: 'Leftover Women' in ChinaCan you elaborate on the "not good captains" point? What specific actions do Chinese men not take that Western men would take? | /r/RedPillWomen | 12/04/16 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Crash and burn imminent. Female-only rideshare service Chariot for Women rolling out in Boston.So even a service specifically for women takes a man to start it? Haha. It's hilarious how every one of these startups has some phony "it all began with my personal troubles one day" bullshit. No, you wanted to start a business, you worked you ass off on a business plan, and you leveraged your upbringing and connections for financing. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/16 01:58 PM |
| 2 | Women Do Not Want Your LoveWell yeah, women don't care if some loser who they don't respect loves them. Your feelings =/= her feelings. I guess that makes sense. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/16 12:13 AM |
| 2 | BP: Can you link me what you consider to be mainstream/non extreme feminist sites?Sup cxj. I threw myself into politics for about a month and half, before realizing it's worthless to be so invested in something I can't control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/16 09:58 PM |
| 2 | Women are unable to take socially awkward men's problems seriouslyThe weak should be protected. It doesn't matter if it's a man or woman doing it. It doesn't matter if the protectee is a man, woman, boy or girl. There, I've rewritten it to be gender neutral. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/16 09:30 PM |
| 5 | BP: Can you link me what you consider to be mainstream/non extreme feminist sites?A review of the top candidates on answer to your query -- everyfeminism, feministing, jezebel, feminist current, wonkette, role/reboot, the mary sue etc. -- only proves that feminism is not, as often claimed by red pill, "mainstream". None of these sites has a significant following when compared to the size of the general population. They are all niche sites similar to how manosphere sites are niche sites. Mainstream feminism in the sense that RP thinks of mainstream feminism -- nytimes.com, was… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/16 09:24 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men are just tools.Sure, from a woman's standpoint, men are tools, in the same degree as from a man's standpoint, women are sex objects or reproductive machines. Each gender has a functional use for the other. Ironically, you are seeing things almost only from a woman's standpoint, and not from a man's standpoint-- except you cannot accept being a tool, because you're a man. From the woman's point of view, she is always in the right, because she holds the key to the continuation of the human species. That is the r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/16 08:54 PM |
| 10 | What exactly does it mean that women stop maturing at 18?I love how the part about this that is always ignored is that an 18 year old woman is equated to a 28 year old man. That implies that about half of TRP posters are less mature than a teenage girl. It's supposed to be a compliment to men because we continue to mature after age 28 and surpass women, but how much higher the average man goes is in question. The vast majority of maturing for both sexes happens before 28. The difference between a 28 year old and a 14 year old is much bigger than betwe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/16 04:53 PM |
| 2 | What's a man best choice in the SMP?Making excuses to avoid acting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/16 03:42 PM |
| 1 | Most masculine-coded traits are alpha traits, but a big one is not.Good counterpoint. I would say competence is certainly an alpha trait, and good reasoning skills are critical for competence in most fields. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/16 09:04 AM |
| 2 | What's a man best choice in the SMP?Are you sure you're not buffering? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/16 11:44 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: When judging a woman's looks, what traits are most important?I've never thought about it that hard. But what the hey. Teeth - pearly white Skin health - clear Weight - thin but not skinny Skin color - light but not pale Hair color - dark Breasts - medium to large Stomach - flat Hips - medium to small Nose - proportional, not flat Cheekbones - high Facial structure - resting bitch Hands - delicate Shoulders and collarbones - visible but not protruding, not hunched over Thighs - moderately athletic, either gap or no Arms - straight between joints Makeup - n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/16 10:29 PM |
| 6 | The Truth About Height, And How to Game the System.Yes, I don't get the stigma about shoe lifts. It should be recommended for every short man. However, it won't totally fix the problem because the rest of your body will still be proportionally smaller than a taller version of yourself. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/02/16 09:45 PM |
| 3 | The journalist who "cured" her PTSD by asking someone to pound her at gunpointAs soon as I read this headline, I thought to myself, "I bet it's Mac McClelland". Even though it's been five years. Back then, I was in my male feminist days. I didn't understand either the piece or the huge backlash to it. Now both make so much sense. A conventionally gorgeous white woman using Haiti (and journalism) as the backdrop for her navel gazing sexual fetishes. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/02/16 09:29 PM |
| 5 | Redpill men, what are the most repulsive traits you find in women?Are you asking this question so you can crank it up by x10 for your "filter"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/16 09:15 PM |
| 3 | Most masculine-coded traits are alpha traits, but a big one is not.Man, I thought this was going to be more controversial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/16 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Which of these statements would you consider slut shaming?It depends on the context. All of these might be slut shaming. On the other hand, none of them might be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/16 08:58 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Does the average modern man deserve respect?I agree with this comment. Respect is a baseline level of veneration/admiration/deference what have you that is sufficient to treat a person with common courtesy. The rest of the discussion is just semantics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/16 08:48 PM |
| 3 | Most masculine-coded traits are alpha traits, but a big one is not.Same here. I enjoy explaining myself perfectly. Half the time, it ends up with me being confused. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/16 08:32 PM |
| 17 | If not feminist dating advice, what do you think has contributed to the rise of so many socially awkward men?How do you know we haven't always been here, but only see ourselves better now because of the Internet? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/16 01:32 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Passive dating strategies are ineffective for men.Jeez every time I read about Europe, you guys seem so much better than the U.S. It's like a sane alternate universe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/16 12:05 AM |
| 11 | CMV: Passive dating strategies are ineffective for men.Passivity is a bad idea for life in general. See the first habit in 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: Be proactive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/16 12:03 AM |
| 1 | Why Isn't Sexual Inequality A Public Issue?The social psychologist Brian Gilmartin estimated them at 4.7 million in 2012 — or roughly 1.5 percent of all adult men. The Centers for Disease Control reports that, within the past year, roughly six percent of men ages 25 to 44 have not had any sexual partners. Not all of those men identify as “incels,” of course — but it’s still a pretty sizable population. Source | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/16 03:54 PM |
| 2 | Is respect a basic human right?I agree with this. The author is obviously talking about the former. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/16 03:48 PM |
| 1 | Why are we all so damn shallow?SMV is a terrible concept on multiple levels, and it's not even a coherent concept before that. It's just hard not to buy into that kind of thinking when everyone else around you is doing it. If you live in a shallow world, then you kind of get defined by the same standards whether you like it or not. In a way that's the real "unplugging" -- unplugging from the sexual marketplace. The only problem I see is that those people who are unplugged just are, and do not actively organize to defend their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 05:15 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.Well, at the risk of sounding egotistical, despite my on-and-off struggle with depression, I am intelligent, loving, independently-living, career established, (earning six figures, which is not a huge amount for my locale actually but still well above average), and politically active. My life situation geography, family and friend-wise has been stable for nearly a decade now, and I have maintained good relations with all of my circles for years. I engage in hobbies and interests that range from … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 05:02 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.Red Pill isn't a thing because it rings true with women, it's a thing because it rings true with men. I agree with you that AF/BB is scientifically unsupported, but what is your alternative model? The one you've presented (that women are sexually attracted on the basis of men being "good fathers who are mature and have a stable job") doesn't ring true, is all I'm saying. It doesn't fit with men's experiences. Currently I'm not satisfied with any of the dating models on the "market". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 02:57 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.You don't have to ask permission :-) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 12:30 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.The problem you're going to have with that argument is that a lot of men will read that description and think "hey, that's me", in the context of the fact that they struggle attracting women, and it won't ring true. Granted, I don't know if I'd make a good dad, but I'd like to think that I would. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 12:30 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.Color me surprised. I would like to know more about you, perhaps you should make a post about it. You're short, "not winning on looks", forty, poor, submissive, and blue pill, yet you can get women to have sex with you and confide in you their sexual fantasies. How do you do it? This is a story I want to hear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 12:27 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.It sounds like sex is your opener in a sort of PUA method, whether deliberate or not. What does it have to do with what OP is saying, though? You haven't said anything about how good or bad of a provider you are. You just said you're submissive but that you start conversations about sex, and apparently women have sex with you before or while first getting to know you. It could simply be that by starting off conversations with sex, you're demonstrating preselection while flirting at the same time… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 12:11 AM |
| 5 | CMV: low-SMV women often have an inflated sense of thier own SMVWell it seems like you've answered your own question. These low SMV women still have hordes of thirsty men chasing after them, and enough Chads willing to pump and dump them to satisfy their short-term urges. So they have abundance mentality and don't need us. Apps like Tinder obviously magnify the effect tremendously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 12:01 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.Good question. I would guess alpha, but I wouldn't know, lol. But my guess is that since alphas provide more on a raw sexual level, they would get more sexual confidences. Whereas a beta would get more confidences with respect to her provisioning needs, since he is better positioned to meet those. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 11:52 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.Really? Most of my beta men friends have been able to find wives and none of them have been divorced yet, granted it's only been about five/six years since the oldest batch. Still, I would be shocked if these couples separated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 11:39 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.Okay, so you agree that it's possible for it to work, and that even most men used to be able to find wives this way, at least. You only say that it can become too unbalanced towards comfort and lead to friction, and might lead to divorce. That's fair. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 11:37 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.But can't a large dose of comfort and a small but still sufficient dose of desire still be the basis of a healthy, loving relationship, or are you saying it will always result in divorce? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 11:30 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.Yes I do believe you, but most of my friends are beta men and none of them have been very successful with women. How are you defining beta? Does it all come down to assets, or is there something else? If so, how much does a man have to earn to make a good provider? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 11:25 PM |
| 14 | CMV: Women are sexually attracted to provider traits.Bill Gates is a great provider but I wouldn't be surprised if his wife fantasizes about other men more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 11:10 PM |
| 6 | CMV there should be a movement to tell women to stop being hypergamousThere should be a campaign to get HB10's to have sex with short, depressed virgins. Can we crowd source some slogans? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 11:06 PM |
| 0 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?What is the point of going to the cops if she doesn't have evidence to prove that she was raped beyond a reasonable doubt? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP:Why aren't nerds drowning in women?WTF really?? That reads like a pie in the sky parody of the red pill, it's so egregious. It's like a field report from an autistic person. It's like a blue pill post outside of blue pill. Feynman's real experiment was to see whether anyone would actually buy this fantastic story. If that really happened, I'll switch my flair to red now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 08:59 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Being nice and kind is dangerous for some men, as it can lead to submissivenessbecoming more confident and assertive, is a general good effect for a person, where the things you describe are wholly viewed as negative. Right, the root of the question is what behavior is good in general for the person, so a frame that begins from that point is more accurate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 08:54 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Being nice and kind is dangerous for some men, as it can lead to submissivenessI challenge your view because I think your frame is flawed. It's true that for some men having the idea that we should be nice and kind is a bad idea because it will lead to a lack of boundaries, or what you call submissiveness. However, the occam's razor view to describe the nature of the problem is that for diffident men, a "nice and kind" mentality is at odds with confidence, assertiveness and independence, and thus is a liability in life. This is the occam's razor view. Since women are a par… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 06:27 PM |
| 4 | How does this list of prestigious pre-20th century female scientists challenge the narrative that all women were oppressed pre suffrage?A 20 year shift isn't interesting? The discussion of actual degree attainment is relevant, too (text, and Table 2). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 02:28 AM |
| 7 | How does this list of prestigious pre-20th century female scientists challenge the narrative that all women were oppressed pre suffrage?The graph you linked is "fraction graduated" by cohort birth year, not "number of men and women who went to college". The actual numbers are here. The earliest records show women were 21% of college enrollees in 1870. This steadily increased to 47% by 1920, then plunged to 30% by 1950. It rose past 50% in the early 1980s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 02:17 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?None of what you said challenges my point though-- if you are one woman who has been sexually abused, particularly by a man who has standing in some community, why would you go public with your abuse, knowing that the man would still retain his standing in the community afterwards, while a significant percentage of the population will think you are a "lying whore" (as so artfully stated in another comment downstream)? The cost-benefit analysis is negative. Alternately, if you're a woman contempl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 01:22 AM |
| 2 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?As I said, "people with my opinion are far outnumbered by people who support her." First of all, how would you measure that objectively? Second of all, that doesn't refute my point that she suffered negative repercussions, because even if a minority of people think you've done something horrible, it can hurt your life. Third, as I mentioned, there's the intrinsic humiliation of having someone who you've publicly said sexually assaulted you, being treated as a normal person, or thought of as a vi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 12:47 AM |
| 0 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?Why is that more serious than sexual assault? show that women have power This argument is absurd. "X case that I picked out of thin air seems outrageous to me, even though I haven't explained why, therefore it shows that all social dynamics must favor women in all cases." if I told you that slaveowners who beat their slaves suffer a slight on their social standing as they are perceived as sadists and thus beating slaves is pretty rare - would you consider me sane if I argued that because of that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 12:40 AM |
| 3 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?And how does that harm her? Me and some other people think less of her -- so what? Isn't the argument that men accused of rape are harmed because people think less of them? I often see this argument. I'm saying I don't believe her -- that's far different than saying she's guilty. Well, if she's not guilty, what is she? If she's not telling the truth, how is that not guilt? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 12:29 AM |
| 0 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?Has the Sulkcowicz case been settled beyond a reasonable doubt? I thought no determination had ever been made. Donglegate and the other thing were silly, but that has nothing to do with sexual assault. The latter is far more serious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 12:21 AM |
| 5 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?If she faced no repercussions, why is she considering "fading" the name Stoya? Of course there are reprecussions- look at you, for instance. You have formed the opinion that her accusation "probably wasn't even true", which makes her "probably" a false accuser who has tried to damage an innocent man's life. So now your opinion of her is sharply negative. There are many people who think similarly. They demand the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" for the accused, but do not apply the same pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 12:03 AM |
| 4 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?Doesn't that make a case of 11 possible false accusations against him? Sure, but it's the word of 11 women who said he committed some kind of abuse, against 1 person (him) who said he didn't. Society will take the side of the one man in this case. So if you're one woman who has been abused, looking at this-- if society took the side of the man against 11 women, why would they take the side of you, who is only 1 person? Can you say that for any other crime? Sure, for any crime in which there is u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?Jackie was universally vilified while Emma Sulkcowicz has become an extremely controversial figure - her name is permanently tied to a controversy that is guaranteed to get a large fraction of the population hating her. Most people generally don't want that kind of attention. Neither of these two are very good examples, for different reasons. When an accusation is made, the both parties' lives are damaged. Both the person who is said to have committed rape and the person saying they were raped b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 11:54 PM |
| 3 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?Except there is a punishment, as you are forced to polarize everyone into taking a stand with or against you. And I never said her allegation was false. I said making an accusation is a net negative to her social standing, so she has no incentive to make a false accusation, unless she already didn't care about her social standing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 11:42 PM |
| 3 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?Literally 11 women have come out saying he abused them in some way and the guy is still winning AVN awards. Meanwhile, it's unclear whether Stoya, will continue in the industry at all. So if you're a young woman who was sexually abused by a famous, powerful person in your industry, what does that say about how civilized society will react to your accusation? Any sane one would stay quiet. Yes, some people will see her as the victim who never got justice, but others will see him as the victim who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 11:40 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Women are more abusive than men in relationshipsI thought women are supposed to have more in-group bias? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 11:25 PM |
| 4 | Has anyone kept up with the Ghomeshi rape accusation case we discussed a year ago?James Deen was cut from some websites for about a month or so, then he came back and seems to be rehabilitated, being nominated for awards, and there are plenty of people giving him work. Meanwhile Stoya has gone quiet on twitter except that she was forced to attend an event with him despite trying to get out of it. So it looks like more damage to Stoya's career than Deen's, although she probably knew she was near the end anyway, based on her age. You don't see 18-22 year olds going public like … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 11:22 PM |
| 2 | Let's say Roosh etc got their wish fulfilled and rape was legalised, what would that society look like?Congrats, you've proved a hypothesis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 09:49 PM |
| 1 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsI don't know, I feel like this is a fairy tale view of marriage. Love and lust won't always be present. If you expect to be able to predict they'll always be present from the onset of a 40 year marriage, that's crazy. Marriage should be a bundle of social factors together, of which love and lust are obviously important parts, but not everything. And love is more important than lust in the long run. But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:30 PM |
| 1 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsI am only attractive enough to get a moderate amount of initial attraction "out of the gate", at best. The latter is also a problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:27 PM |
| 1 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsI am saying there's nothing wrong with her banging you to keep you happy, if she's doing it out of a genuine desire to make you happy. One feeling is worth as much as the other. It's no less genuine or valuable. It's not transactional at all. Life is complicated, and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. You fall out of attraction. You may even fall out of love. Then you may fall back into love. Yadda yadda yadda. Some couples manage to make it stick together and make it work. I have no idea … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:18 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsa man shouldn't even consider a woman as a potential LTR unless there is a very high level of raw attraction from the gate. Well I guess I'm fucked then, as I can't imagine that happening to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:16 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsBut, when it comes to sex, "caring" for me isn't just a matter of being available, its a matter of desiring it for herself as well. Hmmm, that's interesting. Thanks for your story though, and sorry to hear of your situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:13 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsYou're creating a dichotomy of two possibilities and not seeing the third possibility that I'm offering falls into neither of those two camps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:09 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsShe doesn't want to make me feel good. Well that's the problem right there. the more it's clear that you're advocating duty/obligation sex, which isn't borne of real, authentic desire and attraction. It's fake, it's not genuine, it's not real, and no man wants it. No I am not. I am saying that she can give sex that is not duty/obligation/pity, but is not raw sexual desire either. You can't base a marriage on raw sexual desire. This will fade over time regardless. You're talking about a basically… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:06 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsSex given out of anything less than raw, visceral, sexual attraction is pity sex, duty sex, is fake and inauthentic, and is not real. So if she has sex with you out of a genuine desire to please you, how is that not real? How does she not genuinely desire to please you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:03 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsOf course, no one can control attraction. Building your life on that sort of fickle feeling doesn't seem very wise. Did she make every effort to be attracted to you, and help you become more attractive to her? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 04:00 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsMen do not want to fuck women who don't want to fuck them. But she really does want to fuck you... that's the thing. She really wants to make you feel good. And she may actually enjoy making you feel good. If she doesn't feel like "acting" that way, she will stop, she will end it, and that only contributes to the instability of the relationship. Well that's always the case. She can always end it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 03:56 PM |
| 1 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsWhat exactly happened in your deadbedroom? You asked for sex, and she refused, and you didn't have sex for a long time, leading to a break up? Seems almost like a lite form of pity sex. It's not pity sex at all. Is giving presents during birthdays, holidays and anniversaries pity giving? Is cooking food for your family a matter of pity? Is providing for them a matter of pity? If one partner is not attracted, at bottom, they can still engage in sex because they love the other partner and want the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 03:54 PM |
| 12 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsDo you really think attractive women don't realize that men are attracted to them? I think they know, but rely on a social veneer of plausible deniability because they aren't attracted back. In her mind, as long as she's following a platonic social script, what is going on in the private psychology of both of them is irrelevant. "Casual sex makes me happy. Girls can get it easier. How arrogant and priviliged that they are not happy!" It's not just casual sex, but also LTRs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 03:49 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsIt's not that you expect sex, it's that if she knows that's what you want, why didn't she make an effort to make you happy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 03:45 PM |
| 0 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsNo. She could just agree to do it with you because she loves you and is your wife. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 03:41 PM |
| 1 | On AF/BB, nice guys and seeing women as equalsDoes he turn her on as much as the "bad boys" in her past? If not, NEXT. This is not rational. /u/BiggerDThanYou already explained why. For a long term partner, there are multiple factors that matter, and his total value is a weighted basket of attributes { wa0, wa1.... wax }, whereas for a one night stand, virtually only hotness and a sense of safety matters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 03:37 PM |
| 6 | How is "women bring nothing to the table" not misogynistic?Men seem quite upset that we're not valued enough as sex objects. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 06:18 AM |
| 5 | How is "women bring nothing to the table" not misogynistic?It is something not quite misogyny (necessarily) but stronger than sexism. It seems this is an area where the English language is lacking. Surely you see TheShadowyScapula's point though, or else you are obtuse, the only question being whether deliberately or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 06:11 AM |
| 10 | How is "women bring nothing to the table" not misogynistic?Let it go, she gave you a good answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 06:07 AM |
| 3 | How is "women bring nothing to the table" not misogynistic?TRP dogma is usually self-fulfilling. The more you tell people that X behavior is the norm, that it is biological destiny, etc. the more people will behave like X. Edit: I did make a comment resembling what you wrote above, but it was not to be interpreted anything near what your interpretation above is. It was an extremely theoretical discussion and I'll be happy to delete it if it was misinterpreted. And I apologize if I contributed to any of this nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 05:52 AM |
| 2 | Poll: post here if you are a man who can't get sex or affection and who thinks its OK and not a big deal.Yup :-) I will text her later. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 01:43 AM |
| 2 | Poll: post here if you are a man who can't get sex or affection and who thinks its OK and not a big deal.It's not a big deal during the 80% of the time (like now) that I'm depressed, because I wouldn't be able to accept sex or affection even if it was offered. Like, a few days ago I got my first ever unsolicited message on okcupid, and now I can't even go on a date with the girl because I'm not feeling up to putting on a good face. The other 20% of the time, yeah it's a big deal how hard it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/16 01:19 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.Alright then, the obvious loopback to OP's point would be that "not everything is about sex" applies to the latter group, the ones you equate to those who go out to different restaurants or creating your own food. The point to these people is, not everything is about sex. Which is not to say that you can't be promiscuous or enjoy a lot of sex, but that sex isn't such a basic need for you that it's healthy to throw out stuff like morality and respect for others, which are high on Maslow's hierarc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 02:48 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.I'm talking about plate spinning. Most virgin incels are not concerned with plate spinning, they would be happy just to get to first base. Those who are worried about plate spinning aren't starving for vagina food, they already have the sex part of Maslow's hierarchy down pat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 09:14 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.It's more like criticizing someone for eating 16 hours a day when there are more levels to Maslow's hierarchy than just eating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 08:53 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.I don't need to spin plates to have sex without being reduced to a subservient relationship. If I just have sex once, with a girl, even if she doesn't want me after that, that'll be great. Then I'll do it again later. Don't need plates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 07:42 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.Men who are not getting sex, our biggest problem is not that we're not alpha. It's that we're not even beta. We're omega. Our problem is not that we're not spinning plates, it's that we're having trouble even landing a LTR. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 07:26 AM |
| 2 | Pretty people are a dime a dozenSex is the ultra prime imperative for incels / borderline incels such as myself. Heck, if anyone should be red pill, it should be me. For guys who actually get laid, it should not be what's on your mind every day. You have breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you don't think about food 24/7. You don't join a bigoted, misogynistic cult out of hunger. You move on with your life and work on non-sex related projects, like your career, your hobbies, and so on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 07:06 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.It most certainly is not! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 07:02 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.That's just restatement of your previous point. Red pill sells a lobotmized view of self actualization. I believe this was Empress's point, she's right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 06:53 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.Well sure, for an incel who's getting no sex, it can be the most important. But once you get enough to fill your belly, you move on to better and greater things. But red pill doesn't help incels because they will never become alpha anyway. It's a miracle if they even become beta. Instead they tell men to keep eating to the point of gluttony and there's steak coming out of your arsehole, while forgetting the other levels of maslow's hierarchy. morality is at the top of that pyramind! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 06:29 AM |
| 1 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?Oh yes. Doesn't change the fact that most men will never get there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 06:24 AM |
| 1 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?Alpha means you're at the top of the male social totem pole / pecking order / hierarchy if you will. Not necessarily formally but informally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 06:13 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.Right. So theres a lot more to life than just food and water. As with sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 06:12 AM |
| 1 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?Yup. Both have hordes of wannabes who are strung along in the hopes of getting it, who never will. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 06:05 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Not everything is about sex.So you admit that this view is low on the self development totem pole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 04:40 AM |
| 1 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?SJW don't promise that you'll suddenly change your life around if you buy their snake oil. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 04:36 AM |
| 1 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?Yes, it's also "possible" for you to get signed to a record label. Mathematically, the number of people who think they can do it > the number of people who will actually do it, by a lot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/16 04:35 AM |
| 2 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?Right. Men shouldn't delude themselves into thinking well become something we're not. The reality is, the vast majority of beta men who try to become alpha will fail. The vast majority of men readers of TRP are beta men who will fail to become alpha. They are no different than the 99 would be starlets who hitchhiked to Hollywood hoping to become the next Sharon Tate only to become drug addicted bums. All these people would be better off recognizing the reality of their situation and organizing t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/16 07:22 PM |
| 6 | are men more successful than women because they have to, in order to impress women?Of course women are oppressed because they have less power. You have just admitted it. The reasons why this is the case may be true, but it does not change the facts. The shipping magnate is more powerful than his attractive young trophy wife, even if the whole reason for his becoming a shipping magnate in the first place was to acquire such a wife. Young, attractive women do not control men as they are desired by them. But desire is not the same as control, as the ultimate decision is still in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/16 06:41 PM |
| 1 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?Oh, man. Sorry to hear that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/16 06:20 AM |
| 1 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?Good points, brah. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/16 06:19 AM |
| 1 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?If they were really happy they'd brush it off. So it's true unless it's not. This is a tautology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 11:48 PM |
| 4 | What are non-alpha men supposed to do?You're acting like we're making these people depressed, they were like that already. No, they were happy in the blue pill. Now you've told them they're losers whose wives are secretly not attracted to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 11:41 PM |
| 3 | QFM: What is worse? Your mother/daughter/sister getting raped by a stranger, or enjoying consensual rough sex with a stranger?Are you reading this mainly on the pillosphere, or elsewhere? I wouldn't spend too much time here if I were you. The topics can get heavy, and the people here don't represent the general population. Oh yes, it is deliciously hypocritical how TRP'ers will whine that society celebrates female sexuality while at the same time having slut shaming as one of their main planks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 07:01 PM |
| 2 | For those that think men should be able to opt out of paying child support, who do you think should financially support the child if the mother can't do it on her own?The government should pay. Does the average American want it? I don't know. We need more research on early childhood development, and the benefits of raising successful kids not just for the kid herself but for society as a whole. If the research is already out there, it needs to be publicized more. Once the benefits can be clearly articulated, we can build more support for public funding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 04:47 PM |
| 2 | BPers, would it be fair to say you mostly lean left wing? What drove you in this political direction?Not strictly BP, but I lean to the left. Could the pill wars simply be an extension of the broader social issue that progressives dislike traditionalists? Generally, yes. Would any of you say that you reject not only patriarchy but capitalism too and lean socialist l, Communist or anarchist? I agree with the typical left-wing criticisms of both capitalism and kyriarchy (of which patriarchy is a subset) but I am not sure what the solution is to any of these problems. The left is better at critici… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Women do like powerful men, but not in the way TRP thinks they do.The left points out the disadvantaged lack power and seek to challenge it. But if it was just a chauvinism of the disadvantaged groups, it would only create other disadvantaged groups. Therefore the goal is justice and equality, which is easily supported on the basis of moral reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 04:21 PM |
| 6 | Women do like powerful men, but not in the way TRP thinks they do.Would depend on the individuals in the relationship. This is a valid objection to pretty much any generalization. Hence why TRP often say that when they make generalizations, it goes without saying that there are exceptions. I guess my point is there are lots of other qualities besides "confidence, strength, and power" that are valuable in a relationship, Yes both a man and a woman can bring love to the table, as well as many other things. But we're talking about the differences between the man'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 03:26 PM |
| 18 | Women do like powerful men, but not in the way TRP thinks they do.Men, as a whole, have more confidence, strength, and power in society than women. Therefore, it's reasonable to guess that in assortative or random mating, there will be more pairs where the man brings more to the table than women in these areas, no? It also seems to fall in line with what I see in everyday life. Add to that the stereotype that women go for jerks and "alphas", and many arrows all point in one direction. I suppose a counterargument to this could be that, besides reproductive abil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 05:50 AM |
| 2 | Women do like powerful men, but not in the way TRP thinks they do.I agree entirely- it goes without saying that this whole conversation refers to the broadest generalities in the heteronormative gender system. (For example, an analysis of trans women's situation would be completely different.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 04:41 AM |
| 5 | Women do like powerful men, but not in the way TRP thinks they do.If so, then why do you not value partners who are simply better company (instead, "go-getters")? Stuff like this- it could be because go-getters are better company, and even more so if you are a go-getter yourself. It looks like you then desire traits in a partner that you do not possess, OP never said this, so it's left ambiguous. It's possible that she both wants to possess the same traits herself. Maybe she can clarify. Instead of making it a competition, make it a collaboration. TRP claims t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 04:37 AM |
| 22 | Women do like powerful men, but not in the way TRP thinks they do.This is the crux of the issue. The woman brings nothing [Edit: typically less, duh] to the table, but besides prestige/success/confidence/strength/power/etc. etc. etc. the man also brings something else to the table that ensures the woman doesn't have to match him in superlatives-- which is his superior sex drive. We can argue whether this is a matter of biology or social constructedness, or both. This is the great irony. The man's desire ensures that the woman will have value to the superior ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 02:46 AM |
| 4 | Economy, culture and the SMPYes, and this is why the Republican Party is in trouble unless it can develop some populist economic pitches, Trump-style. And Hillary Clinton is in trouble unless she can convincingly move to the left economically. The Republicans haven't won the national popular vote but once in the last 27 years, and the one win was from a terrorist attack/foreign policy election. No win on a domestic-policy themed election since the Willie Horton one. They say the GOP has demographic problems, but their dome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 02:06 AM |
| 1 | Is Martin Shkreli alpha?I almost added "he loves to bask in attention" as one of the points, but that seems too obvious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 01:11 AM |
| 2 | Discussion: 'Nice Guy' shaming drives people to TRPUltimately I think we need to accept that we're not developing our game by posting on here every day Yeah, no shit :-) But you're way ahead of me, kid. When I was your age, I was showing up at clubs in work clothes and thought I could ingratiate myself into women by pretending not to have any sexual desires at all. You can expound on the Freudian rationales behind Madonna/Whore complex (weirdly, that post was deleted). You guys are really lucky to have more accessible resources than we did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/16 12:42 AM |
| 3 | Discussion: 'Nice Guy' shaming drives people to TRPOh god. Right now in the cubicle next to me two attractive women are talking to my taller, more charismatic coworker who already has a girlfriend. The crazy thing is, one of them said hello to me and started to say something and I instinctively turned away. I realize I feel more comfortable talking to y'all on the Internet about gender politics than talking to actual women about anything other than gender politics. The conversation they're having right now is about a guy name "slashhole" who is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 08:49 PM |
| 6 | Discussion: 'Nice Guy' shaming drives people to TRPThose comments are terrible, but I can see how some people would think RoK is a hate group, based on their purported advocacy of legalization of rape on private property, among other things. Not all of us powerless and lonely men go to these RoK meetups, after all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 08:10 PM |
| 0 | How much of the concept of being alpha reduces to signalling boldness?Great post, TheDividualist. Fearlessness is 50% of freedom. The other 50% is strength. A strong and fearless man (or woman) is free, and it is true that this is attractive, but it is also a basis for a fulfilled life. And it's the latter that is driving the former- after all, there are reasons for why certain traits are attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 06:11 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: 'Nice Guy' shaming drives people to TRPI see, thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 06:02 PM |
| 5 | Discussion: 'Nice Guy' shaming drives people to TRPIs this different from ordinary sex? Keep in mind I'm a virgin here. "She refuses to do anything she doesn't want" seems like a tautology to me. Why would you want to make your girlfriend or wife do something sexually she doesn't want? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 05:48 PM |
| 3 | Discussion: 'Nice Guy' shaming drives people to TRPIf she's not all that attracted, she needs to feel really safe. The amount of safety she needs usually is that she is in total control of the interaction and relationship. Can you expand on this? Do you mean like a dom-sub relationship with the man as sub, extending not only in the bedroom but in all aspects of the relationship? I thought those types were very uncommon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 05:33 PM |
| 10 | The TRP obsession with biological and animal modelsWhy, they will be rounded up in concentration camps and forced to conform. You worry too much, questioningwoman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 04:17 AM |
| 6 | The TRP obsession with biological and animal modelsWhat do you think will happen? When we better understand how men and women are different, we will be better able to engineer society to minimize any harmful effects of these differences - the essence of eliminating sexism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 04:10 AM |
| 5 | The TRP obsession with biological and animal modelsWell, in the beginning of The Selfish Gene, Richard Dawkins writes that: "Let us understand what our own selfish genes are up to, because we may then at least have the chance to upset their designs, something that no other species has ever aspired to" I tend to take the same approach with regard to gender issues. The end goal is a feminist-approved, egalitarian world, but understanding human biology is an important step along that path. The explosion in knowledge about human biology and psycholo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 01:18 AM |
| 3 | So now it's "incredibly condescending" to tell women not to drink too much.Right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 01:03 AM |
| 3 | So now it's "incredibly condescending" to tell women not to drink too much.Maybe I'm interpreting it too literally then. Technically, a condom can break without you realizing it, or you could be pregnant but haven't had any noticeable symptoms yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 12:55 AM |
| 9 | So now it's "incredibly condescending" to tell women not to drink too much.I'm just reading off the infographic. It says "Drinking too much for women includes... any alcohol use by women who are pregnant or might be pregnant." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 12:41 AM |
| 11 | So now it's "incredibly condescending" to tell women not to drink too much.Do not have any alcohol if you are pregnant or might become pregnant? Come on, technically any sexually active woman between 18 and 45 might become pregnant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/16 12:38 AM |
| 1 | If you believe misogyny is a powerful force in western society, please speculate about why such an aberration was not killed by natural selection.So you're positing a social cause for misogyny, yet are demanding a genetic explanation from people who think it's closer to 20% than 1% of the population? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 11:18 PM |
| 3 | If you believe misogyny is a powerful force in western society, please speculate about why such an aberration was not killed by natural selection.Why would it be maladaptive? I just made a post speculating that misogyny may help men romantically. Also, do you believe misogyny is a powerful force in eastern society? If so, what is your explanation of why evolution did not kill it off there? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 10:58 PM |
| 1 | Does Being a Misogynist Make a Man "Better" with Women?None of that surprises me. Some of it is wrong, but it's life / people, and knowing it happens doesn't provide a basis for being a misogynist. It just proves that women will do a lot for their tingles - but so will men! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 08:19 PM |
| 4 | CMV: For women, lovers and friends are two separate, distinct categories. For men, they are intertwined.This is only true for attractive women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 06:57 PM |
| 18 | Does Being a Misogynist Make a Man "Better" with Women?Yes. I suspect that women want a man who's better than her but never explicitly brings it up and, in fact, creates the illusion or pretense that equality is there. She must be able to brag to her friends that she has an equal relationship, because this is the socially progressive lifestyle, while at the same time enjoying being "taken care of by her man." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 05:26 PM |
| 1 | "It's okay if a hot guy does it, but when I do it I'm creepy!"Wonderfully put. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 03:25 PM |
| 1 | Are men not attracted to confidence as much as women?No, it's 2-0 she doesn't do equally well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 06:29 AM |
| 1 | Are men not attracted to confidence as much as women?Yes, so the universal statement you made is incorrect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Are men not attracted to confidence as much as women?No, if all else were equal, I would be more attracted to the more confident woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 04:58 AM |
| 2 | Does Anyone Else Describe Themselves as No Pill?Yes, I am no pill. Blue pill is de facto anti intellectual and not interested in helping struggling men. Red pill is red pill. Most people in the real world are neither. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/16 03:54 AM |
| 3 | [Q4BP] Donald Trump acts like a misogynist, but why does that make him a bad leader?I don't think Trump is as crazy as people make him out to be, just because he makes the political class look like fools with a tin ear as to what a part of their own base wants. He knows what to say, and frankly I think a lot of people like him just because of who/what he's willing to stand up against, from the Republican side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/16 04:25 AM |
| 2 | Is status or popularity important in calculating a woman's SMV? (Question for RedPill but I'd also like to hear from BP whether or not these qualities make a woman attractive)I guess that's a compliment. Thanks :-) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 10:00 PM |
| 1 | Why does the redpill need to be learned?Some alpha Chad is going to get cockblocked because a paranoid girl thought he was a pickup artist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 09:56 PM |
| 1 | Why does the redpill need to be learned?Men's spirit has been crushed by "society". This was necessary from the beginning, because do you really think 10,000 alphas could have built the pyramids? No. It took 10,000 betas. Societies that crushed their men and churned out betas mowed down societies full of alphas like the British mowed down the Sudanese at Omdurman (thus analogy won't resonate with the female brain, but fuck it). Nowadays they have 747's. Men start thinking that society is here to set the boundaries of his life, rather … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 09:51 PM |
| 1 | "Abigale ‐ Sad Love Story"Yeah but at least he won the fight. Tom is the only pussy. He acts all stoic and abundance mentality, but then he allows a white knight to kick his ass? He should have hit back and bloodied John until Abigales pussy was all dry for him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 09:35 PM |
| 2 | CMV: My take on the 80/20 ruleYour major/career is so important. If you're like a press agent or manager for someone famous, then you're going to be drowning in pussy. If you work in STEM you're going to be drowning in cock. For any kids out there who are young and have no real passions or don't know what you want to do for a career, make sure you pick a career that lets you talk to people, and the type of people you want to associate with. I'd say this is more important than anything, really. For most, the people you intera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 09:31 PM |
| 1 | Is status or popularity important in calculating a woman's SMV? (Question for RedPill but I'd also like to hear from BP whether or not these qualities make a woman attractive)No, honestly I find most people insufferably fake, boring or both, so high social status is a problem for me. It tells me you're in their world and one of them. On the other hand, yeah it's a turn on because fuck it, status is status, I don't care if it's the ballet troupe or gambling cards, you're at the top in something. The most unimpressive person is the boring cookie cutter girl who dabbles in everything but has no real deep interests. The same for men! I can understand why girls are attrac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 09:25 PM |
| 1 | A Discussion of MoralityWhat a great discussion... all the way down the line. Saving this post for future reference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 05:05 AM |
| 2 | Stand Up Comedy, Red Pill Women, and the HamsterThanks. Thats what I was trying to say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 03:10 PM |
| 3 | Hidden bias in the consent discussion. Is the man always assumed to be guilty?I think each party should be responsible for ensuring the other is giving affirmative consent (e.g., actually doing something "affirmative" that indicates consent) unless it's an LTR where previous patterns and understandings substitute for affirmative consent. Otherwise, Atlas's criteria is fine. So yes, if the plaintiff gave what a reasonable person would think is affirmative consent, then rape charges can't hold up. Another related concept is "enthusiastic consent", which is the ideal that bo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 08:36 AM |
| 7 | Stand Up Comedy, Red Pill Women, and the HamsterAnd according to the theory itself, expecting anything else is a naive imposition of male argument form on female thinking. You're trying to corner her, through argumentation, that she's really like x,y,z. "See, a female comedian says it, ergo it must be true. Admit it." It's like the nice guy who tries to prove that the hot woman should date him by using her own words to corner her into this "aha" when in reality, attraction cannot be negotiated. Rollo would say women's communication is totally… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 07:48 AM |
| 13 | Why are people who want something different from the majority called liars?It's strange, red pill presents itself as a bitter truth, as if all the pearls on the beach were really pieces of charcoal. You rub away at what looks like a pearl, and black charcoal is underneath. But there really are real pearls as well, and you would think, that a man who sees all the fake pearls for what they are would be all the more appreciative of the real pearl. You would expect him to rub hard against the real pearl to make sure it isn't charcoal to be sure, but provided that it really… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 06:44 AM |
| 1 | How does PPD interpret this story?There are two releases with two different interpretations, but that just makes it better. There is a case to be made for the romantic side as well. Neither side really cancels the other, and how you see what Alfredo did depends on your view of life - red or blue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 06:38 AM |
| 1 | How does PPD interpret this story?When he's old he becomes an alpha (successful directing career) who's spinning plates (mother calls, mistakes the woman he's sleeping with for someone else). What I like about this is it expresses so many manosphere arguments and a 'bitter truth' of giving up the romantic illusion (that is fed by the movies), but there is hardly a trace of bitterness towards women or politics... it's more of a bromance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 06:08 AM |
| 1 | A Discussion of MoralityWhat if the self is identified with the group? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 05:10 AM |
| 2 | A Discussion of MoralityOk, what fundamental first premise with respect to morality do you think BPers don't want to consider? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 04:57 AM |
| 8 | A Discussion of MoralityThat's not much of an elaboration, my friend. "BP doesn't understand" is not an argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 12:08 AM |
| 6 | A Discussion of MoralityElaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 08:57 PM |
| 1 | How does about the fact that most TBPers view PPD as a red dominated sub which isn't worth debating in?It's not any more balanced than here, but there's an air of pretentiousness about it that isn't here. That's just my impression... I can understand why someone would prefer it, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 08:02 PM |
| 1 | How does about the fact that most TBPers view PPD as a red dominated sub which isn't worth debating in?PPD is unbalanced in favor of Red. It's been that way since I first started reading, about five months ago. That being said, it's nowhere near as bad as FeMRAdebates, mainly because the latter takes itself too seriously and tries to set itself up as a more structured and objective environment, but fails. I didn't see any rape apologia in your post, Xem. It's the same thing I thought myself, after seeing comments like this, on the same day. The response is, there's a risk-reward trade off for men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 06:38 PM |
| 35 | What are the viable alternatives to The Red Pill?Well, as far as sexual strategy goes, Rollo has this theory that a part of the 'feminine imperative' is to wrap women up in an unpredictable mystique that allows them to cultivate an air of mystery and thus evade responsibility for behavior. This is only one of the many areas where Red Pill and feminist ideas substantively overlap (they are both against this supposed mystique) even as the two are at each other's throats on the surface - that could be a whole other post. On the other hand, BP has… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 07:43 AM |
| 2 | My take on TRPeveryone and everything is disposable. Ding ding we have a winner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 11:05 PM |
| 2 | My take on TRPThat's nice, but by the time it all goes to shit I'll be dead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 10:56 PM |
| 3 | My take on TRPThe system doesn't care about your stable relationships. It needs human fodder for its labor market and neoliberalism. Don't tell me it isn't working. The U.S. is the most successful country on earth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 10:51 PM |
| 3 | My take on TRPWhat changes in society do you people would want in lieu of individualism? At bottom, I just want a partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 10:36 PM |
| 1 | The subtle evilness of the so-called "Captain/First-Officer" relationship modelBeing receptive to charm is a very human trait. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 10:24 PM |
| 1 | The subtle evilness of the so-called "Captain/First-Officer" relationship modelWhat determines whether love is created, or persists? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 10:19 PM |
| 1 | The subtle evilness of the so-called "Captain/First-Officer" relationship modelI would love for this to be wrong. What is the rebuttal? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 10:13 PM |
| 6 | CMV: TBP see's life through rose colored glassesUnlike your examples, Captain First Mate assigns authority/followership based on biological birth. Someone here in a previous thread (I think it was guitars) pointed out that RP never says every relationship has to be Male Captain/Female First Mate. But the logic points in that direction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 07:05 PM |
| 13 | Can men escape the burden of performance?Sure, a guy can GHOW and be relieved of the burden of performance. However, he then has to deal with soul-torturing loneliness, lack of intimacy, an inferior financial situation, reduced life expectancy, reproductive failure, and never being desired by a woman. If you're willing to put up with that, fine. Go play video games until you're 85. This term is only relative, and it only refers to heteronormative relationship dynamics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Is racism a neuromasculine trait?If they all evolved the same trait at the same time, then that would be huge. But that's not how evolution works. A mutation occurs in one organism at a time. So you have to explain, starting from one individual, how the gene spreads throughout the population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Is racism a neuromasculine trait?All right, but I still don't see how it helps the man of tribe A who fears men of tribe B. In that case, if a man from tribe B comes and takes his woman, he is too afraid to fight, and loses out reproductively. So the three scenarios are: Non-racism: Will likely keep his woman, but not gain the other tribe's woman. Hatred/Anger/Aggressive racism: Has a 50% chance of winning the other tribe's woman and keeping his own woman, but also has a 50% chance of getting killed. Fear racism: Keeps his woma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 04:54 PM |
| 0 | The subtle evilness of the so-called "Captain/First-Officer" relationship modelI think if women could maintain sexual/erotic attraction to men who did not compensate for their relative sexual disposability by being the 'Captain', this would be superior. This would be a form of sexuality that is compatible with our instinctive platonic ideal of equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 04:44 PM |
| 2 | Is racism a neuromasculine trait?How would such a trait reach biological prevalence? Suppose you have two tribes, A and B, filled with non-racist men, and then suddenly, one of the men in tribe A becomes racist against the men of tribe B. This would seem to hurt him more than help him, because he is more likely to get into a fight which results in him being killed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 04:42 PM |
| 2 | The subtle evilness of the so-called "Captain/First-Officer" relationship modelWell in this case, it would be more like 95% of dogs will not understand new commands after fewer than 5 repetitions, and 5% will. Neither one is injured or defective, and the minority is actually superior. If we could somehow turn the minority into the majority, we would all be better off. But this is getting into the realm of ethics and emotions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 03:58 PM |
| 5 | The subtle evilness of the so-called "Captain/First-Officer" relationship modelWell, there seems to be a glitch in the evolutionary software. Someone dropped the motherboard into the bathtub, and now the CPU fan doesn't work any more. If for instance, a woman somewhere in this wide, wide world, evolved a violent allergic reaction to all forms of birth control, this woman's genes would, over the course of thousands of years, become far more prevalent. None of us will be around to confirm this, but that is what is supposed to happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 03:39 PM |
| 6 | The subtle evilness of the so-called "Captain/First-Officer" relationship modelAs with almost everything Red Pill, the need for the man to be "the Captain" comes down to compensation for lack of the Power of the PussyTM. In other words, women carry within them the continuation of the species, and are the gatekeepers of sex (even within a relationship), so value is always centered around her uterus. This makes perfect sense. Ergo, the man's need for higher status (by whatever that is measured), his need for Game, and his need to make decisions as the Captain, are a part of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 03:31 PM |
| 3 | The subtle evilness of the so-called "Captain/First-Officer" relationship modelI somewhat agree with you, but who cares? Men like moodyprism are dealing with the world as it exists today, and arguments that things would be different in a hypothetical alternate universe are irrelevant to his day to day life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 03:01 PM |
| 1 | [Just for fun, loosely relevant] What kind of annoying debater/commenter are you?I have no idea really, but I can see myself being the Derailer, the Blamer, and occasionally the Googler. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 02:56 PM |
| 1 | Evolutionary psychology propositions are not, and should not be, a justification for TRP ideas, even if they were trueWe had a RPer around here who was constantly pointing out the "Naturalistic Fallacy" which, I don't think he was using it like this, but is exactly the fallacy being called out by the OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 02:47 PM |
| 1 | Ex-gf offers no-strings-attached sex. What do you do?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 09:49 PM |
| 2 | Would you support government funded prostitution?This is, in the vast majority of cases, utterly impossible to know. Even then, how do you know? This is a good philosophical question, but I'm of the belief that there's no such thing as true knowledge. Most of the time what's taken has knowledge is just a high degree of confidence. . The government knows all these things. It can't just 'stop doing that'. Right, but if the government knows that, for example, a particular violent gang member is driving down a particular highway, it should block o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 09:46 PM |
| 3 | Would you support government funded prostitution?If it's known that the person is going to sell food stamps illegally, then either the sale should be stopped at that point of sale or the food stamps should be held back. Similarly, if it's known that infrastructure is being used for criminal activity, then the use of that infrastructure should be blocked long enough to stop the criminal activity, and then resumed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 09:13 PM |
| 4 | Would you support government funded prostitution?The police are a government agency, and they already abuse and murder prostitutes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 09:06 PM |
| 4 | Would you support government funded prostitution?We don't know, but even if I'm wrong about unfaithful men being the majority, it doesn't change the basic objection. The government ends up with a lot of info on unfaithful men. So it either has to provide the service despite knowing it (unethical) or stop providing the service (which recreates the black market, only now you've gutted funding for investigating sex trafficking). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 09:05 PM |
| 5 | Would you support government funded prostitution?If the police are any indication it's a recipie for abuse. What makes you think government pimp would be better than private pimp? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 09:00 PM |
| 5 | Would you support government funded prostitution?You think most customers are incels? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 08:58 PM |
| 8 | Would you support government funded prostitution?Because that's most customers today. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 08:53 PM |
| 7 | Would you support government funded prostitution?Oppose. Sex from prostitutes isn't a human right, and isn't what most incels want anyway. And most customers would not be incels, but men committing some sort of infidelity, so it makes the government co-conspirator in unethical personal behavior. I don't trust the government either with this information, nor to employ sex workers. This is basically a proposal, to have the government become the biggest pimp in history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible that the entire identity politics game is manufactured by the elites to divide the people and create enough entropy and hostility to leave them dependent on centralised 'democratic' authority?I feel I am like one of those people. Not the SJW but like your psychology students. What do you feel is wrong with this way of thinking? Even if it just makes them feel better for a while, isn't that fine? Should they be doing something else instead? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 08:05 AM |
| 0 | Q4RP: Construct this scenarioEmotions also motivate judgment. Without emotions, there would be no reason to process any information at all. Observe a few heated arguments as a neutral third party and make observations. One thing I've noticed is that if two people are accusing each other of lying, the more passionate one often turns out to be the truthful one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 02:31 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Racial SJ movements are pushing feminism out of the spotlight, and into the ground.It's also that in a lot of these BLM cases, there's video (or corpses, as the case may be; and sometimes both). The video is undeniable proof that people can see with their own eyes, which they believe. Then you see the cops getting off. As a result, the issues get brought to light. In rape cases, there is usually neither a video nor a corpse. Hence activists should have been more careful. But they cause celebe'd around a couple of poisoned cases and lost their momentum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 01:59 AM |
| 4 | Q4RP: Construct this scenarioYou didn't answer the question. And why are emotions objectively bad? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 01:46 AM |
| 1 | How RP helps women.The best environment for women (or any group of people) is responsive. I am throwing out a possible criteria by which to judge what is "good for X". I am suggesting ideologies that move towards a responsive environment are in general good for people in that environment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 01:45 AM |
| 4 | Q4RP: Construct this scenarioWhat is the motivator to curb an emotion, if not another emotion? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 01:43 AM |
| 5 | Q4RP: Construct this scenarioEmotions are always in play. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/16 12:48 AM |
| 1 | How RP helps women.If I give a rat a treat every time he pushes a button, he will push the button, eat until he's full, then stop. If I give a rat a treat only 10% of the time, he will push the button 10 times the number of presses he did before. This is true, but it doesn't change the premise of the statement, since in the second case, the rat gets a 10% chance of getting a treat every time it pushes the button (an unqualified good). In the first case, he stops because of diminishing marginal utility. But if he w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 11:40 PM |
| 1 | How RP helps women.This seems a little vague. Can you be more specific? What do you think of the following statement: The ideal environment to cultivate individual empowerment is one that is responsive. If an individual performs well, they are rewarded, and if they don't perform well, they are punished. Any deviation from this system, is a detriment to the individual's independence and motivation to perform well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 11:07 PM |
| 2 | How RP helps women.Maybe. Maybe not. A lot of women (and men) out there are already 'red pill', they just don't hover around nerds on the Internet who never realized this stuff earlier and understand it better with buzzwords. It's true that women as a group are socialized to be fragile beings with regard to criticism, which is an extension of the fact that women as a group care more about public perception than men as a group, which in turn is an extension of the fact that women have traditionally been more depend… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 10:28 PM |
| 2 | How RP helps women.The real BP women will never read this, because they aren't angry at TRP, so they never read PPD. This seems like a circular argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 10:03 PM |
| 5 | Canadian PM says "Men and Women shouldn't be afraid to be feminists"After mid-2017 this guy could be the only left-of-center leader of a major Western nation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 08:15 PM |
| 5 | if all men are potential rapists, why do you hang out with people you wouldn't consent to having sex with?I'm not attracted to any of my friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 06:47 PM |
| 4 | Discussion/Debate: What Is the Future of the Sexual and Marriage Marketplaces in North America?Plus, (I doubt RPers care about this, but) marriage is more environmentally sound. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 03:30 AM |
| 1 | [CMV] Why are sweeping generalisations of women misogynistic, but assumptions about women needing to protect themselves from men in a rape culture fair game? AWALT is little different to Schrodinger's Rapist.Okay, that's fair. Xem's point is that you have to either accept both AWALT and Schrodinger's Rapist, or reject both, since they're both specific instances of the same general concept. In the substance of the terms, I agree. But the reason AWALT gets shit is because it's misleadingly worded, unlike Schrodinger's Rapist, which is confusing if you don't understand the Schrodinger's Cat analogy, but not misleading. That is just how it is. Also, AWALT is more extreme than Schrodinger's Rapist, since… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 02:52 AM |
| 2 | can you tell red from blue?Okay, fair enough. Sometimes I wonder if young guys wouldn't benefit from some sort of mandatory military training-style boot camp. Something to keep them active, social, and mentally strong during the critical late teenage years. In our society, it goes against the notion of individual freedom and being able to live your own life, and going into the military is unfortunately something the upper and middle classes look down on, but I think being more open to the option would be beneficial for a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 02:31 AM |
| 2 | [CMV] Why are sweeping generalisations of women misogynistic, but assumptions about women needing to protect themselves from men in a rape culture fair game? AWALT is little different to Schrodinger's Rapist.If it were a corollary it would be AMALT, not AMAR. Why? They're only talking about rape. If it were a corollary it would be AMALT, not AMAR. Same reason AWALT is AWALT (All Woman Are Like That) and not AWAT (All Women Are That) So you're not saying all women are that, but you're saying all women are like that? This seems confusing. If I say, "He has a very analytical mind. All scientists are like that." it's generally taken to mean quite literally. It's not generally understood as "You should a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 02:22 AM |
| 1 | [CMV] Why are sweeping generalisations of women misogynistic, but assumptions about women needing to protect themselves from men in a rape culture fair game? AWALT is little different to Schrodinger's Rapist.You're struggling to find a term/phrase as bad as rapist, but is the actual behavior this is meant to describe as bad as rape? Divorce is bad, yes. But one RedPill poster categorized "hypergamy, solipsism, Machiavellianism and immaturity" under this category. That's not being a "bitchy ho", that's just according to them, female nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 02:10 AM |
| 5 | Do you really believe being called "creepy" or "rapey" has everything do to with behavior and nothing to do with appearance/voice/charisma/etc.?So you think an ugly man is only more likely to be called a creep for the same behavior that an attractive man engages in, if the woman in question is a SJW on Tumblr? I think this behavior is broader than just that. My point is, I can't control whether women thinks I'm a creep or not, so why should I care? I can only take responsibility for my own actions and hold myself accountable, according to my own standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 02:01 AM |
| 2 | [CMV] Why are sweeping generalisations of women misogynistic, but assumptions about women needing to protect themselves from men in a rape culture fair game? AWALT is little different to Schrodinger's Rapist.See, this is why semantics are important. Entire debates and misunderstandings come down to nothing but semantics. Since words and their meaning are the basis of all of this, a difference in semantical meaning can make all the difference. " 1st link says "treat as rapists until proven otherwise"; Is not the same as, It’s saying that an unknown person in public that you have no information about could potentially be a rapist. It's like, if I ask my fiance for a prenup, I'm not treating her as som… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 01:57 AM |
| 5 | Do you really believe being called "creepy" or "rapey" has everything do to with behavior and nothing to do with appearance/voice/charisma/etc.?I don't give a shit. I've only see the word used once in real life context and that was the context. So what are the merits of the word, then? You yourself admitted that can be solely based on whether a guy is attractive or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 01:47 AM |
| 16 | Do you really believe being called "creepy" or "rapey" has everything do to with behavior and nothing to do with appearance/voice/charisma/etc.?I once got called creepy just by following a woman on twitter. This despite that she's the one who posted my picture on her account and blasted it out to all her followers, and refused to remove it when I asked her to, politely. That's when the word creep lost all its meaning for me. You can't control what other people do. They'll call you anything under the sky as a result of their own mental schema regardless of your own behavior. I don't know why we allow this word to have so much power of us… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 01:36 AM |
| 4 | [CMV] Why are sweeping generalisations of women misogynistic, but assumptions about women needing to protect themselves from men in a rape culture fair game? AWALT is little different to Schrodinger's Rapist.It's all a matter of degree, Xem. Did the people who made fun of you at the bus stop explicitly bring up the Schrodinger's Rapist? It's easy to imagine a world in which Schrodinger's Rapist never existed as a concept, yet the teenagers still treated you the way they did. The same applies for AWALT. Forget the terms and just use your common sense. Part of my problem with AWALT is that the acronym stands for "All Women Are Like That" whereas what they really mean is TAGAL "Treat All Guns As Loaded… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 01:31 AM |
| 2 | can you tell red from blue?Well yes, for people with clinical depression, the depression itself is the problem, not that we're not TRP. Often it's part clinical and part situational. Everyone experiences it slightly differently. I think I've said before that I would have tried to apply TRP, if I were not depressed from time to time. The problem with depression is that you can't take any advice, including your own, and that's what causes depression to begin with. People who aren't depressed say things like "just go to the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 01:08 AM |
| 3 | Women, entitlement in relationships, and how this relates to nice guys.Well, the Nice Guy doesn't start out in a relationship with the woman, so nothing much is lost if he just doesn't act nice towards them. If you just suddenly up and leave one day after months or years of giving freely, it's a little unfair to the guy because he had no chance to understand you were unhappy. Now if you were perfectly happy, that's one thing. But no one should be expected to be happy (or nice) all the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 12:44 AM |
| 5 | CMV: In debating, we must accept there are somethings we will never know.Look, you guys have a philosophy based, at bottom, on the notion that fact is supreme and trumps ethics. You claim to debate fact. How then, can you say that because we can "never know beyond any doubt" what the facts are, that it's inaccurate to declare your perspective a "myth"? I mean sure, you can never know beyond any doubt what any facts are. The whole red pill analogy is based on a movie where a guy finds out his entire world is an illusion. Nothing is beyond doubt... as Descartes proved.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 12:31 AM |
| 7 | 23.8% of unmarried Japanese women aged 34 are virgins: SurveyThe first generation of salarymen officers after WWII were quite alpha. Serving in war sort of does that to you. For nearly 50 years they led Japan's economic rise and success. The generations born since then have been coddled and pathetic. Japanese masculinity basically died after they lost the ability to fight in wars and now all you have is... well, Japan today. After 1998 the post-WWII generation was spent and/or retired and Japan started going into its death spiral. | /r/TheRedPill | 22/01/16 04:04 PM |
| 4 | Q4All: What's your biggest flaw? (AKA, What's one reason that it sucks to date you?)This one is mine too. I shop in the teen section because the men's section doesn't have clothes small enough for me sometimes. Probably my #1 dread if I'm ever in a relationship is going clothes shopping and revealing this fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/16 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible that the entire identity politics game is manufactured by the elites to divide the people and create enough entropy and hostility to leave them dependent on centralised 'democratic' authority?I almost never (I can think of one exception) hear TRPers refer to women as the "ruling class" and men as the "oppressed class" or any comparable language. What is the exception? Of course TRPers won't use that language; that is the language of the left, and TRP is of the right. OTOH, feminism and Marxim are on the same side for sure; almost all the radical Second Wavers were socialists of some kind. And in that sense you're definitely right. Many of them drew parallels between feminism and Marx… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 11:36 PM |
| 3 | RP: what advice would you give to a woman who gets taken for granted?Aren't men supposed to be the rational ones, according to RP? Then direct communication should work well on us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 11:03 PM |
| 16 | RP: what advice would you give to a woman who gets taken for granted?Future discussion. Her: I don't think things are working out any more. Him: Why not? Her: [Long list of shit] Him: Why didn't you fucking tell me earlier? Her: I needed time to learn how to make myself happy independent of you, so I no longer need you any more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 10:21 PM |
| 2 | Is "hypergamy" a myth originated from wildly exaggerated claims of sexual encounters by young men badly socialized when it comes to sexuality?http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2010/09/14/hookinguprealities/sex-and-the-pareto-principle/ http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/04/28/hookinguprealities/whos-really-having-sex-in-college/ http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2012/02/28/hookinguprealities/sexual-statistics-review-session/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 08:55 PM |
| 2 | Is "hypergamy" a myth originated from wildly exaggerated claims of sexual encounters by young men badly socialized when it comes to sexuality?There are 2 or 3 articles on the hookingupsmart website explicitly contradicting this quote. Misattribution? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 08:43 PM |
| 0 | Is "hypergamy" a myth originated from wildly exaggerated claims of sexual encounters by young men badly socialized when it comes to sexuality?How did you get an 18 year old? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 08:19 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible that the entire identity politics game is manufactured by the elites to divide the people and create enough entropy and hostility to leave them dependent on centralised 'democratic' authority?The same. Can you have one without the other? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 07:31 PM |
| 4 | Is it possible that the entire identity politics game is manufactured by the elites to divide the people and create enough entropy and hostility to leave them dependent on centralised 'democratic' authority?Because, barring an evolutionary leap that no one I know of has claimed, human nature has been the same for 10,000 years. Anything about our "social political state", as you put it, that is the same now as it was 10,000 years ago is a candidate for possible explanation solely by human nature. Any differences, however, must be counted down to changes in environment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 05:08 PM |
| 2 | Is possessiveness an alpha trait or a beta trait?An abundance mentality is just a PUA coping strategy to deal with fear of rejection and increase your leverage in any given situation. I wouldn't say a scarcity mentality is necessarily beta. It's just not wise a world where a man can never really possess a woman. He has to accept that she could reject him, and it's better in that case to move on than to become a slave. Possessiveness does not imply a K mating strategy either. Jealousy is simply an emotion. Therefore, there's no reason to presup… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 04:59 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Polyandry is just as normal as polygynyRotating Polyandry and its Enforcers | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 03:09 PM |
| 7 | Q4RP: Do you perceive of any BENEFITS to an open SMP, bar the obvious opportunity to 'spin plates' and be a Chad if you're young and attractive?It's beneficial for shallow and hedonistic people, especially Chads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 02:30 PM |
| 2 | Is it possible that the entire identity politics game is manufactured by the elites to divide the people and create enough entropy and hostility to leave them dependent on centralised 'democratic' authority?Oh, yes. The entertainment industry, the beauty industry, the dating advice industry, the legal industry and the matchmaking industries are all involved. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 02:27 PM |
| 7 | Is it possible that the entire identity politics game is manufactured by the elites to divide the people and create enough entropy and hostility to leave them dependent on centralised 'democratic' authority?Excellent post here. The average middle or working class RPer or BPer are both operating under the same forces of capitalism which marketizes everything, and is now marketizing human courtship at the individual level. This is what accepting the RedPill is all about: Learn to treat your relationships as a business arrangement. Learn to see yourself as a commodity, and the other parties as commodities as well. Increase your "market value". Maximize your leverage over the other party. Hence one of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/16 01:44 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: Power in relationships. Good thing or a bad thing?It seems like several interrelated concepts sometimes get confused: Power Typically this means the ability to bring about the result you want or enforce your will. In RedPill terms it means within the context of a relationship. The person who needs the other person less (is closer to walking away) is said to have more power. The utility that they gain from being in the relationship vs. walking away (say +5 utiles) is small compared to the other person (say +15 utiles). If a decision worth 5 util… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/16 08:20 PM |
| 1 | Attraction and objective, interpersonal, and subjective statusAlright, I realize that's a bad analogy, since Kylo's tantrums make it even easier to imagine him as a 9 year old than Luke. But my point was, it's obvious what's different about Luke on one side vs. Kylo, Han and Loki on the other side. Regardless of the power he is given in the story, Luke is a much simpler and one dimensional character. Even when he's wielding a lot of power, he comes off as an innocent boy, because he's just a stand in for the pure good. This is boring. The other three have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/16 05:07 PM |
| 13 | Why should men be sex positive?My advice is to come up with some mythical, all-knowing and all-powerful being and somehow convince people he exists. Convince them that he will reward virgins and punish sluts. The mother of his own son was a virgin. The virgins will go to this magic place in the clouds where everyone is always happy, and the sluts will go to a fiery pit beneath the surface of the earth. Then write it all down in a book. Then just sell it really, really, really hard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/16 03:53 PM |
| 5 | Why should men be sex positive?Me neither. I find reddit in particular, and TRP especially, is where I have encountered this attitude the most. Legions of men don't care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/16 03:39 PM |
| 1 | Attraction and objective, interpersonal, and subjective statusAre these real questions, or are you just asking to see what gets tossed back? Edit: Ok, I'll bite- Luke didn't become definitively powerful until ROTJ, and by some standards the very end of ROTJ when he defeated Darth Vader. And even after that he was the embodiment of boyish purity. He was the most powerful Force Jedi in the universe yet he still had the psychology of a 9 year old girl screaming "no" at a stranger who is taking her candy. That was why he never turned to the dark side. It's not… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/16 07:13 AM |
| 1 | [CMV] Most women are incapable of loving their boyfriend/husband; most women love the way their boyfriend/husband makes them feelIt's not less real, but it falls into the "women love children" (care-giving) form. In your example, a mother would make doughnuts for her child as well, but would not give her child flowers. The romantic form is male-to-female. Alternately, some actions fall into both forms, but always go "down". When a man opens her car door, pulls open her seat, or pays for her dinner, this is a part of the romantic script. A woman also does the same, but for her child, as a part of the parenting script. RP e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/16 06:23 AM |
| 1 | Attraction and objective, interpersonal, and subjective statusCan you post your sources? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/16 11:00 PM |
| 8 | Discussion: Is it an "undeniable fact" that there is a "much wider social oppression against women" in the Western world?feminism becomes more relevant the higher up in the socioeconomic scale you go. Among richer, older, and more powerful populations you see more evidence for a gender gap in favor of men. The thing with guys like Xem or your garbage man is that they're not rich or powerful, so patriarchy theory has little meaning. The lower you go, the less meaning it has. Among the lowest of the low, the suicidal, the imprisoned, and the homeless, it seems men become even worse off. The point of patriarchy theor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/16 06:49 PM |
| 1 | [CMV] Most women are incapable of loving their boyfriend/husband; most women love the way their boyfriend/husband makes them feelAgreed, just because it's not stereotypically romantic, doesn't mean it's less real. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/16 06:29 PM |
| 5 | Askmen poster makes a fantastic post about why men aren't into fictional romances like women are.This is an awfully cynical way of looking at performance. Rollo says we're always performing in life, whether we want to or not. If the typical man isn't performing for a woman, he's performing for his employer, and if not he's performing for his kids, or he's performing for his friends, or he's performing for himself, or he's performing for nature. Women also perform but just not as much in a romantic context. But outside a romantic context they perform too. I don't see performance as a burden,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/16 06:14 PM |
| 4 | Are women unfunny?not funny funny | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/16 05:46 AM |
| 4 | Should you date a man who has been "falsely accused" of rape?Doing what? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 09:33 AM |
| 8 | Should you date a man who has been "falsely accused" of rape?Goodness gracious my friend, I don't smell blood when a puppy gets kicked, I feel bad. I guess that is a BP mentality, to have feelings as a human being? I respect logic as the supreme artibter of debate, but you have to admit we're not exactly discussing the laws of physics of here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 09:27 AM |
| 3 | Should you date a man who has been "falsely accused" of rape?Sure, no one's holding their tongue, that's why the thread got so many comments. It's your right to act like an asshole, after all... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 09:23 AM |
| 6 | Should you date a man who has been "falsely accused" of rape?Because there was nothing to change... your viewpoint was actually correct, in so far as a personal preference by itself doesn't make you an asshole. Broadcasting it out loud in this sort of environment, was assholish behavior. The whole blue pill subreddit is dedicated to looking for TRPers they can sneer at. I thought I'd bait them to see if they acted like sharks smelling blood, and they did. Maybe that's true for TBP, I don't consider myself BP and don't usually post there. I was just genuin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 09:20 AM |
| 1 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.Where is the evidence RP doesn't want women to vote? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 08:33 AM |
| 1 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.Right, so in the RP world, social equality is incompatible with a sexually healthy society, and that's a similarity between RP and the traditionalist patriarchal ideals OP is trying to distance RP from, with respect to women's careers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 08:29 AM |
| 1 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.I've never seen a woman put an income requirement on a dating site, but I'll accept your premise nonetheless: Non-RP holds open the possibility that this is the result of social conditioning leftover from Mad Men days, whereas RP insists that its biological nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 08:20 AM |
| 2 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.Ok, but you didn't prove that at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 08:14 AM |
| 1 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.All four of those sources are about Jon Birger's book, Date-onomics, and he's made his views plain (in each article) advocating pairs where the woman is hypogamous. The Guardian article also has this tidbit: "There is also evidence to suggest that couples in which the woman is more educated than the man are happier. One study of more than 1,500 interviews with couples found that in relationships where the woman was more educated than the man, they were more likely to stay together than in couple… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 07:57 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: If you are 'acceptance phase' and accept the burden of performance, theoretically does this mean that when it's between pulling the plug on you or on a woman, your plug has to be pulled firstI don't think that's what Rollo means by the burden of performance. He's talking about stuff like unintentional DHV and having a successful career; you're talking about pulling the plug on yourself. Big difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 06:50 AM |
| 3 | Idea: find an accredited evolutionary physiologist and have him do an AMA hereBuss is definitely respected, but if I were him I would have reservations about doing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 06:26 AM |
| 1 | The Badboy and the Badgirl DiscussionFor Men: Are you attracted to women with tattoos? If so why or why not? It's a big turn on, unless it's very poorly done. The reason being it suggests a certain adventurousness, and often it looks good on the body. Are you attracted to women with piercings? If so, why? Yes, for the same reasons as tattoos, but it depends on the piercing. Septum piercings I just find gross because they remind me of snot. Are you attracted to women with heavy drug or alcohol use? If so, why? No. It suggests irresp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 06:20 AM |
| 6 | Is it possible that the majority of the men who swallow the Red Pill were never 'marriage material' to begin with?Sounds good to me! Where do I sign up? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 05:50 AM |
| 2 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.Okay, interesting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 05:36 AM |
| 6 | Is it possible that the majority of the men who swallow the Red Pill were never 'marriage material' to begin with?Lol, upvoted for humor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 05:36 AM |
| 16 | Is it possible that the majority of the men who swallow the Red Pill were never 'marriage material' to begin with?Both RP and BP will disagree with me on this, but I've always found it strange that marriage is supposed to be based on sexual lust. Sure, there's of course going to be some sexual lust between husband and wife, but generally sexual lust fades quickly, even for very good-looking people. And it's bizarre that people are still attracted to their partners after the age of 50 or so. No one past the age of 50 is attractive to me, except for maybe those that have gone through extensive cosmetic surger… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 05:33 AM |
| 0 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.So if a low high status woman wanted to date a low status man, and the man also wanted to date her, what would be RP's advice? Go for it? Edit: Also, here's a recent highly upvoted post on TRP: "You're going to want to choose men as your partners, co-founders, and technical workhorses. These are the type of people you want challenging you and consulting with you. Do not start companies with women. I did this, and it was a disaster" If men refuse to partner, co-found, or hire women for technical … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 05:16 AM |
| 2 | Proof of AF/BB... Men have a higher partner variability than women - most men have fewer, but a few men have many more partners than most men and women.So a money is a form of commitment? A john is a beta? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 05:14 AM |
| 1 | Proof of AF/BB... Men have a higher partner variability than women - most men have fewer, but a few men have many more partners than most men and women.A beta by your definition would still have fewer sexual partners, because he has to make a credible offer of commitment, would he not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 05:01 AM |
| 3 | New Wiki and Updated SidebarThanks, great work! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.Well that's a situation you're positing where men are not forced to choose between success in personal life/with the opposite sex (which I think most RP men would acknowledge is an extremely important part of life), and success in one's career, which is also an extremely important part of life; whereas men do have to make the choice. You're asking them to choose one of the two most important aspects of life, but not asking the same of men, who are able to have both. How is that not putting women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 04:45 AM |
| 0 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.No, but the practical effect is that it places a very heavy burden on women who do achieve that status. What would be the impact on us men if we felt that the more successful in our careers we were, the less ability we would have to attract the mate we want? Wouldn't this be a motivation killer? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 04:20 AM |
| 0 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.Sure, but formal legal equality is not the same as substantive equality. Legally, the speed limit may be 55, but in reality, the average speed may be 61. Hence, if women having inferior careers or status compared to their mates is a dictate of sexual strategy, how is it not so that second class citizenship is not a de facto dictate? This seems to reduce the argument to semantics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Blue pill is never going to understand red pill because blue pill refuses to believe that TRP is a new thing.According to RP theory, women are hypergamous, hence the more successful her career, the more limited her dating pool. Doesn't this imply that every woman always needs a partner of higher status/more successful career than her, and hence is second class to him? Add to this the captain-first mate dynamic. How is there equality in that context, or have I got the theory wrong? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 03:17 AM |
| 13 | Do you think there is a prevailing belief among people that the average guy is lucky to be with an average girl?The "average man" is BB. Biology has given him provisioning abilities as his asset. However in the modern state where physical strength & speed is less important, and a single mother can be supported by the welfare state, his biologically given assets are effectively neutralized. How can he change this reality simply by altering his mindset? A man doesn't become rich simply by thinking himself so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 01:03 AM |
| 5 | What would a TRP society do to women who defied the gender norms?Reddit is not the Internet. PPD is not Reddit. TRP will not be allowed to take over society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/16 12:03 AM |
| 3 | What would a TRP society do to women who defied the gender norms?Maybe OP sees herself as such a woman and wonders what she is accepting by agreeing to the RP worldview? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 11:45 PM |
| 2 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?Someone deleted the comment I was responding to. I usually delete my own comment if the prior one was deleted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 11:04 PM |
| 4 | On Nature vs. Nurture or: Evolutionary Psychology vs. Social ConstructednessExcellent post. Human biology is like one person in a two person relationship, and social construction is like the other person, where the relationship itself represents life. That allows for an infinite number of possibilities, but not every possibility. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 11:01 PM |
| 2 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?Alright, I'm out. You've started a debate thread about whether something makes you an asshole. The word is intrinsically loaded with sentiment. It is a form of vulgar slang an "an irritating or contemptible person". In this kind of debate I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that human sentiment is going to play a role. If we were debating some scientific fact, it'd be different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 10:22 PM |
| 4 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?So you understand why someone might think that people who say they won't date rape victims are assholes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 10:02 PM |
| 6 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?I don't even know you. I have no reason to shame you for the sake of shaming you. In fact, I have good reasons for hoping to like you, and hoping that you like me. I don't think personal behavior in one incident is definitive of character, and god knows I've been an asshole before, and will again, myself. But some of the responses in this thread are downright inhumane. Granted, that's not necessarily unique on PPD, but since the topic of this thread is whether X makes one an asshole, I got the s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 09:55 PM |
| 7 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?She has no responses in this thread. In the other thread, you're the one who introduced the notion that all men who won't date rape victims are assholes, and impugned it to her, without (at the time) any cause. Nor did you make clear any distinction between the many of the responses in the thread, and your own personal reasons for not dating an asshole. This seems like a 'gotcha' form of argumentation. From her original comment, there was no statement that all men who refuse to date rape victims… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 09:39 PM |
| 2 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?The original comment didn't suggest that at all, and then you assumed that it applied to you in your response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 09:22 PM |
| 10 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?Yeah but you still misinterpreted a comment by a rape survivor responding to people being callous about her rape, in order to start a whole new thread where more people are being callous about rape. So, that kinda makes your behavior assholish. As far as you starting this thread is concerned. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 09:15 PM |
| 4 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?She's angry that she was raped. Fuck her, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 09:02 PM |
| 0 | How does not wanting to date a rape victim make someone an asshole?Putting aside the whole mental health argument (why don't TRP say they don't want to date depressed women?) What I don't like about this, is just like every other TRP "preference" about women, it just so happens to fall into traditional patriarchal norms of what a good woman is, and is not. Therefore, sorry, but it's not just a preference like preference for a certain type of hair is. It's a preference wrapped up in justifications based on mental health, similar to the preference not to date slu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 09:00 PM |
| 2 | Constant reading of trashy bitchy articles and its effect on one's social perceptions. Hey guys: 30 Reasons Your Tinder Profile Sucks TooDon't lose hope man, far more than 0.2 percent of men pair up. This is exaggerating the negative and you know it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 06:26 PM |
| 1 | LinkedIn photos ranked by competence, influence, and likability - by gender and ageInteresting study. LinkedIn is not a representative sample of the population. According to RP theory, women are more mature than men until age 28. That may explain why women in their 20s are ranked as more competent, but men overtake them with age. Of course that is not the only possible explanation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 06:22 PM |
| 5 | [CMV] Most women are incapable of loving their boyfriend/husband; most women love the way their boyfriend/husband makes them feelMen- give her flowers on Valentine's day. Buy her an expensive ring and get down on his knees to propose. Set up a candlelight dinner. Put her life over his when in danger(admittedly an uncommon occurrence). Write a love note, poem, put together a CD, or some other craft work. Women- Makes dinner or takes care of chores for him. Takes care of relatives who are sick (regardless of whether they are the SO or not). Enters into caring professions such as teaching or nursing. Spends more time raising… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 08:35 AM |
| 2 | Do Men Shit Test?Really? What's an example of a shit test that you passed? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 08:02 AM |
| 1 | Do Men Shit Test?You don't (or at least, not necessarily in this context). I just think sometimes RP men see a woman say something, assume it's a shit test, roll over her frame, and assume that he 'passed the test' when in reality all he did was roll over her frame. I mean, how do you know something is a shit test, unless she specifically tells you afterwards? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 07:55 AM |
| 3 | [CMV] Most women are incapable of loving their boyfriend/husband; most women love the way their boyfriend/husband makes them feelFair enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 07:52 AM |
| 3 | Do Men Shit Test?So a shit test is always deliberate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 07:50 AM |
| 2 | [CMV] Most women are incapable of loving their boyfriend/husband; most women love the way their boyfriend/husband makes them feelYes, but that isn't considered as a part of love. I think it might have something to do with your earlier (very nice) comment about men needing to put themselves in a position vulnerability so that women can freely give. If vulnerability is required for another to show love, and romantic love is constructed with the assumption that women are the vulnerable party, then we have this. Women express love, and are by far the more likely caregivers, outside of a romantic context. But within the romant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 07:40 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The general idea that everything should revolve around a woman is harmful to menWomen place much higher value on the wedding. The idea behind it is, a woman derives her value from the man, so snagging a man is the highlight of her life. This is the result of traditional gender roles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 07:04 AM |
| 6 | [CMV] Most women are incapable of loving their boyfriend/husband; most women love the way their boyfriend/husband makes them feelThe idea that parents love children more than children love parents resonates with me. I have no scientific proof of this, but it seems right. Most romantic love between men and women is about the man sacrificing himself for the woman. This is just the modern conception of romantic love, which is most likely a social construction. But the man on his knees, the man writing a poem to the woman, Leonardo DiCaprio condemning himself to the cold waters at the end of Titanic... there's something to it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 06:49 AM |
| 3 | [CMV] Most women are incapable of loving their boyfriend/husband; most women love the way their boyfriend/husband makes them feelBut surely you are in love with your actual boyfriend, and not the oxytocin that releases in your brain? So you are not in love with the way he makes you feel, you are in love with him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 06:45 AM |
| 5 | [CMV] Most women are incapable of loving their boyfriend/husband; most women love the way their boyfriend/husband makes them feelMen love women. Women love children. Children love pets. Love is a one-way stream that only goes down, it does not go up. Who loves their boss? The more powerful is to be feared, not loved. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 06:40 AM |
| 22 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedMGTOW is hilarious... a guy who wants to "go his own way" just goes. You won't notice that he's gone. Someone ranting about women on the internet has not quite gone away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:49 AM |
| 12 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedThe louder you guys squeal in denial... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:48 AM |
| 7 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedYes, I'm sure it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:45 AM |
| 8 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedOkay, so after 20 minutes trying to disavow that TRP obssesses over women, we finally have it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:44 AM |
| 12 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedHere are some sound effects.. I just saved you 100 hours lifting, 100 hours studying sexual strategy, and 500 hours posting on reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:39 AM |
| 10 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedYeah but a plastic fleshlight is so much easier to get. You don't even have to spend hours at the gym every day lifting. Are you saying the difference is really that big? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:33 AM |
| 7 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedYeah, former RP. Then there's TRP, where pretty much every post links back to women in some way or another. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:32 AM |
| 14 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedAlright then, if you don't need them, why TRP? Fleshlights are for sale. You're saying you can't afford one? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:30 AM |
| 14 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedDevoted to sexual strategy, which tells men how to be more successful with women. The more obsessed you are, the more you prove you need them. Either way, that's not the definition of "shunned", which means no contact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:27 AM |
| 11 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedNo, I stated it in such a way as to show how the title of the post is BS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:27 AM |
| 10 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Marriedevery sub that exists is dedicated to obsessing over whatever the subject matter is. And? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:25 AM |
| 7 | Only 7% of Britons identify as feminist.This only surprises TRP types who think that feminism is the status quo majority, as opposed to a marginal movement dedicated to criticizing mainstream society. Calling that mainstream society is just your own solipsism because you're so sexist and/or misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:24 AM |
| 14 | Modern Western Women Shunned: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not MarriedRight, that's why you guys have an entire sub dedicated to obsessing over them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:22 AM |
| 5 | Debate: Are men admired for being quality human beings, while women are admired for their beauty?I am intelligent, law abiding, reasonably high earning, compassionate, pro-feminist, and hard working. I would be even better if women took interest in me. I like to think my value as a human being is higher than my dating chances. I think you are engaging in just world fallacy, where sexual success is determined by how good the man is. I think your statement more aptly applies outside the dating world. Women tend to be judged as wholistic human beings, more on the basis of their sexual value, w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:08 AM |
| 1 | If girls don't want to be led, then why don't they ask guys out on dates???So you asked him first? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 05:01 AM |
| 1 | If girls don't want to be led, then why don't they ask guys out on dates???Well you never asked me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Dating a girl is like taming a wild animalMiley Cyrus can't be tamed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 04:48 AM |
| 7 | Would you ever date someone who said they are a "rape survivor"?Yes-- the question is, would she date me? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 04:45 AM |
| 1 | Blue Pill offers no alternativeGender equality is a moral/normative position, not a "factual" one. Factually, nature has made the two genders equally indispensable in the perpetuation of the species. Personally, I don't find getting laid as the end-all and be-all of life. Would I like to get laid? Of course, you betcha. Are there limits to that desire, when it conflicts with other desires? Yes, there are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 12:23 AM |
| 1 | If girls don't want to be led, then why don't they ask guys out on dates???If a woman wants a guy, she should ask him out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 12:08 AM |
| 3 | If girls don't want to be led, then why don't they ask guys out on dates???Bingo. I read an article once written by a feminist who realized that being the passive one in dating was gender-conforming and set out to deliberately change tack in her personal life. That right there, put her ahead of 95% of feminists, let alone 95% of women overall. She ended up giving up because, simply responding to suitors was just so much easier. Remember, there is always a cost to putting yourself out there. You risk rejection, which is a blow to pride and ego. There is no point to do i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 12:06 AM |
| 3 | What would be the ultimate experiment to test TRP scientifically?OkCupid is not a representative sample of the population, so how valid would the results be? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 12:02 AM |
| 4 | Do you feel sorry for women in abusive relationships?Admittedly I have more sympathy for the ones that try and extricate themselves from the situation that those that go back to/defend their abuser. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/16 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Bernie Sanders not actually accused of misogyny or sexism in the Huffpo article.Dude, just drop it. The well is poisoned on this issue ever since a certain high profile fuckup published by Rolling Stone in late 2014. I might make a separate post clarifying certain points of discussion though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 10:48 PM |
| -1 | Bernie Sanders accused of Misogyny for suggesting police involvement in college rape cases. PPD, what are your thoughts on this?Ok, a guy who raped 13 women was finally convicted. The overall conviction rate is somewhere between 8 and 37 percent. The fact is there are perfectly good reasons not to seek charges. That is why prosecutors often don't even when the accuser wants to pursue the case. Most rapes can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so going to trial would not benefit the victim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 01:55 PM |
| 2 | Bernie Sanders accused of Misogyny for suggesting police involvement in college rape cases. PPD, what are your thoughts on this?Reddit is not going to disagree with Sanders, particularly if he's being attacked from the left, and particularly on a gender issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 01:39 AM |
| 0 | Bernie Sanders accused of Misogyny for suggesting police involvement in college rape cases. PPD, what are your thoughts on this?Trials are long and arduous processes, and a lot of people will assume the accuser is lying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 01:39 AM |
| 2 | How would you want a woman to tell you about her N?3 is hedging because it is thinking very hard about something, as a lawyer would. This is signalling high investment, which generates suspicion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 01:14 AM |
| 7 | CMV: In order to regularly have casual sex a guy doesn't have to be masculine/alpha.Hypermasculinity is promoted because for most men it's being promoted at, the standard, "being confident, dressing well, approaching girls and being good at handling social situations" isn't enough. Sure, it may be possible for these men to achieve success without traditional masculinity, but traditional masculinity is the easiest path to go. It is the most fleshed out "model" for a man to improve himself. And the mentality associated with it can be used as a stepping stone for ideas such as "ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 06:32 PM |
| 1 | How would you want a woman to tell you about her N?I would prefer answer #6. because it provides the most information. IMO, the girl's number is two, since a blowjob doesn't count. I have a pretty narrow definition of sex, but I'm definitely not wedded to it; this is an interesting topic to explore. 1 and 2 are the most suspicious answers, since they are the most vague. Number 3 is also suspicious since it sounds like she's hedging. Number 4 suffers from the same problem. Number 5 and 6 are the most convincing answers. Answer 1 is the sluttiest,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 06:23 PM |
| 1 | What original topics could we discuss this month?Perhaps someone could compile the greatest hits posts from time immemorial and succinctly summarize down the key points. Particularly I'd be interested in posts that clarify key concepts, like hypergamy, shit tests, sexual market value, AFBB, captain/first mate, the feminine imperative, etc. what they are, and what they are not (common misconceptions). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 03:01 PM |
| 5 | How would you define patriarchy?I believe the standard meaning is explained here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 02:53 PM |
| 2 | Question for BP: What is so offensive about the Captain/First Mate marriage dynamic?For people waiting until their 30's to get married yes, but taking the lead/responsibility for yourself as an individual and lead/responsibility for yourself and another person, let alone a family, are not the same. Basically, why not switch off? You allow both partners to better empathize with the other, as you have been in their situation as well. Also, as a Captain knowing what it's like to be the First Mate may make you a better Captain, and vice versa. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 02:29 AM |
| 2 | Why does nearly every informal publication on the affirmative action blame men and paint women as victims? Have even the lad mags become white knights? [VICE article]This reminds me of that time Germaine Geer got grilled for allegedly writing that university women should date truck drivers. My own parents were of a case where my mother made more than my father until he was 47, and he never made much more than her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 01:47 AM |
| 2 | Question for BP: What is so offensive about the Captain/First Mate marriage dynamic?Taking the most charitable view of this arrangement, that the Captain really is a "leader" and not a "boss"- Captain/First Mate seems similar to Beta Bux, only instead of providing "bux", the man in this case provides decision-making and responsibility services (and arguably, a certain amount of associated emotional labor). As /u/ozymandias271 mentioned, it's the security of knowing that the decision is ultimately taken care of. The downside of the arrangement, is that it prevents the First Mate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 01:40 AM |
| 1 | Sexually desirable people are more successfulThe founder of snapchat | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/16 05:34 AM |
| 3 | This is what feminism is and has always been, right back to the birth of the suffrage movementHere, here! Excellent piece. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 11:45 PM |
| 6 | Study reveals that the greater the height difference, the happier the wife - evidence of hypergamy?That's why I hate the word "attractive". It's an empty shell that you can literally figuratively stuff anything into, and mainly good for writing tautologies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 11:31 PM |
| 8 | Study reveals that the greater the height difference, the happier the wife - evidence of hypergamy?No, I'm not happier the slimmer my wife is. I'm not happier with a 75 lbs. wife than a 90 lbs. wife, etc. Womens preference for height is like ISIS: fanatical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 11:08 PM |
| 2 | Sexually desirable people are more successfulThat was 30 years ago. This is today. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 02:58 PM |
| 2 | Being overtly sexual does not guarantee successI don't really care if I'm called a creep anymore. The word has lost all meaning. If I give you the skeevy jeevies, too fucking bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 06:07 AM |
| 2 | Is today's media promoting cuckoldry / death of masculine white men?Haha that's why I gotta occasionally mention it on here, the default assumption is always white. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 05:39 AM |
| 1 | My take on hypergamy & the 80/20 rule, as well as "like attracts like"Here is a video of an interview with the girlfriend of a top level Starcraft 2 player. That guy's Facebook page says he's 187 cm, or 6'1, and he's young and not fat, which puts him in the top 20% purely physical. So neither hypothesis can be ruled out with this example. I'm not denying looks matter, they matter a lot, but average and even ugly dudes can bang hot girls through other means, or at the very least they can leverage something to get girls on their level physically. Okay, I think we ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 04:48 AM |
| 4 | Is today's media promoting cuckoldry / death of masculine white men?Where is the masculine Asian man, dude? We need it more than you. Even if every single black man pairs with a white woman, that still leaves 80% of white women for you. Plus, it's not like black women won't date you. 80% of "our" (Asian) women are gone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 03:23 AM |
| 9 | My take on hypergamy & the 80/20 rule, as well as "like attracts like"Your examples are: - Charismatic preacher Ripped gym Indy rock Greek life Motorcycles Skiing/surfing Band/military What all of these examples have in common (except maybe the preacher part) is that they tend to be associated with physically attractive men. Do the top 20% of men in chess club have a lot of casual sex, if they are physically unattractive? Does the top PPDer have women anonymously messaging him? What about the best video game player? If it's an online multiplayer game, the only peo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 02:24 AM |
| 6 | One Thing Red-Pillers Lack:- LOVETrue love isn't really compatible with trying to maximize your power over your partner, which is the entire premise of RP. It could work together with the captain-first mate dynamic, however. RP men are taught that women cannot live them. In that case, what is the point of an unreciprocated love? Again it just goes back to losing power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/16 08:11 PM |
| 3 | Debate: Do most women enjoy victimhood status?It's because people perceive women to just coast by in life based on looks and pussy pass. Hence, the only way to challenge this perception for women in this situation is to portray self-suffering. What you think of this depends on whether you think the suffering is real or not. EDIT: the appeal to pity being more powerful for women / men being restricted by masculine stoic social roles, may be part of it as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 11:57 PM |
| 2 | Assume feminism never happened. How would the dating world look like today?Bingo. Anyway, it makes no sense to separate out the two like that. The question is what is driving the other. There's a reason feminism arose in the liberal bourgeois societies of Britain and America in the mid-19th century and not, say the steppes of Central Asia during Pax Mongolica, or beneath the hanging gardens of Babylon... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Attraction is all there is...That could just be proof a lot of men aren't getting laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 06:42 PM |
| 3 | Why don't more women help guys become more attractive?Women are socialized to be more polite, and then this is reinforced when the stakes become higher for them. Guys can rag on each other more easily without it meaning anything. Girls can be totally nice to each other's faces while seething competition is going on inside. During the feminist blog era, those ladies were hyper sensitive about racism and intersectionality in the surface, but the racial (and other) resentments teeming underneath were like nothing I've ever seen, and eventually destroy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Women are valuableNo, why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 04:35 AM |
| 2 | Women are valuableA lot of cis's writing has been on point recently. His explication of the horrors of female objectification, his passionate excoriation of beauty standards, and now his incisive critique of the station of women in patriarchy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 03:49 AM |
| 2 | Women are valuableTelling men to have an "abundance mentality" is like telling them to "just be confident". The abundance mentality comes when you know that you really do have access to abundance. Men who already know that are in the least need of the mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 03:46 AM |
| 3 | Revising the "we were lied to!" narrative from TRP.I mean, this may just be the childhood-is-wonderful effect, but it seems like things were headed in the right direction in the 90s, for awhile. The early part of the decade was very difficult to a lot of people. Recession, high crime, drugs, and AIDS hammered home regret of baby boomers for the hedonistic and decadent 70s/80s. As a result materialistic shallowness was briefly out. No matter how much human nature rewards looks at the end of the day, when a culture explicitly endorses it, it does … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 02:29 AM |
| 5 | Revising the "we were lied to!" narrative from TRP.Excellent post, Xem. One thing you're getting at here, is that a lot of stuff RedPillers blame on feminism is really the fault of capitalism, and they can't see it because of the right-wing politics of the sub. Heck feminism itself is but a stepchild of capitalism. There were no feminists when Adam Smith published The Wealth of Nations. They want to focus on a medium-sized but by no means all powerful social movement while ignoring the gigantic continental plates that have shifted beneath their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 02:19 AM |
| 9 | Attraction is all there is...The funny thing is, that it seems like some women think they're being subversive and alternative by eschewing "macho" men with big muscles, but in reality they're only removing the one meritocratic element of the whole package. Everything else is pure genetics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 01:56 AM |
| 7 | Attraction is all there is...That little modification takes all the meat out of their point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 01:50 AM |
| 1 | Attraction is all there is...This seems to make sense, but how does it fit in with hypergamy? Hypergamy theory tells us that a successful, highly-educated woman will only mate with someone at least as educated and even more successful than her, and will not mate with a gas station attendant, even if he looks like someone from the Griddy gay gallery. That seems to be pretty well accepted around here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 01:48 AM |
| 3 | I'm from the R/MGTOW sub. Here's an open letter to males and females alike.Really wonderful book, but the ending is a little anti-climactic. I believe the behavior of gay populations strongly suggests that the sexual marketplace imbalance derives from men's higher sexual drives, not our lower physical attractiveness. So the author is really only getting half the picture. I do agree that he is going in the right direction, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 01:31 AM |
| 3 | I'm from the R/MGTOW sub. Here's an open letter to males and females alike.Wonderful post that touches on so many key points. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 11:20 PM |
| 5 | Some interesting local stats from my local OkCupid: Women strongly prefer dominant men.Being dominant just means you have higher status. That high status could be acquired in any number of possible ways. The most obvious one being that you have a high flying career and she doesn't. What you do with that status is not necessarily being an asshole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 10:51 PM |
| 15 | Some interesting local stats from my local OkCupid: Women strongly prefer dominant men.Besides, one has to admit that "balanced partner" is the more socially 'correct' and 'default' answer. Hence it's more likely women would overstate their preference for a balanced partner, and understate for a dominant partner. From a man's perspective, he would rather be a little over-dominant than a little under-dominant. The reason being, it's easier to dial back dominance than dial it forward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 08:46 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: What kind of people do you find usually interested in you, and how does that make you feel?Height, can't change. Age, can't change. Depression, hasn't changed in 18 years. If not for that last bit I would have applied TRP long ago, despite disagreeing with the political aspects of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:40 PM |
| 2 | [Discussion]Do you think women can play dread game?What if you have kids together? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:35 PM |
| 4 | [Discussion]Do you think women can play dread game?Or leave the house. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:33 PM |
| 1 | A poll for both men and women: What age do you think the opposite gender peaks in terms of physical attractiveness?DADT? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:26 PM |
| 6 | Q4All: What kind of people do you find usually interested in you, and how does that make you feel?Very low SMV women at about age 30. It makes me feel bad. I am a very low SMV man in his thirties. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:25 PM |
| 2 | When the red pill doesn't work eitherWhy didn't it work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:21 PM |
| 0 | Griddy is sad because gay men understand what straight men do not.Well, a woman is saying it now. I count every one of those photos as another "say". This should be enough to cancel out all those r/ask women threads that say ripped men are hideous. Thanks griddy! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Age and SMV in reality: 20 yr old girl > 20 yr old guy > 30 yr old man > 30 yr old woman.Alright, I mistakenly characterized those careers. Sorry | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 07:58 AM |
| 1 | Age and SMV in reality: 20 yr old girl > 20 yr old guy > 30 yr old man > 30 yr old woman.Why are you defending your career choice to me? If you're a surgeon, you're doing pretty well. You have responsibility for your patient. That's an alpha trait. You work in a team of specialized people that you probably have expertise and authority with. That's an alpha trait. Your job has status and people will treat you better because of it, in a thousand subtle and not-so-subtle ways. That will raise your self-esteem and confidence if you're like 99% of people. Whether you know it or not, or a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:53 AM |
| 1 | Age and SMV in reality: 20 yr old girl > 20 yr old guy > 30 yr old man > 30 yr old woman.Where did I say Walmart or being a waiter was better? My only point is that the content of the job matters, not just hours and salary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:36 AM |
| 2 | Age and SMV in reality: 20 yr old girl > 20 yr old guy > 30 yr old man > 30 yr old woman.What makes you think the jobs I mentioned are like that? It was the way you phrased it. As if just getting a paycheck and having time off was the most important thing. You seemed to frame the job as a pure sink (except for money), when in reality it should be something where the content of it can be turned to your advantage. Again, it may be a cultural thing, but where I live, being passionate about what you do really is a plus. Having a social job, and being in a leadership position at your job… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:31 AM |
| 1 | The whole 'women want a man who can provide excitement' thing...I feel that many discussion issues on here just boil down to a few simple principles, that is all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 06:16 AM |
| 2 | The whole 'women want a man who can provide excitement' thing...The same reason burgers come with a side order of fries. The burger itself isn't enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 05:58 AM |
| 2 | The whole 'women want a man who can provide excitement' thing...Because your dick by itself isn't enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Age and SMV in reality: 20 yr old girl > 20 yr old guy > 30 yr old man > 30 yr old woman.No job gives you alpha traits, you have to bring alpha traits to the job you are doing. Yes... and one of those alpha traits is to not be satisfied doing certain mundane or antisocial jobs with no opportunity for leadership, no matter how well compensated. This is way more alpha than winning in the finance world or whatever, lol. It's a cultural thing. Where I live, your job is part of your identity, more so than your snowboarding hobby. If you want to kill it with the snowboarding chicks, then … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 05:36 AM |
| 2 | Age and SMV in reality: 20 yr old girl > 20 yr old guy > 30 yr old man > 30 yr old woman.X ray technicians, respiratory therapists, and registered nurses Yeah, but do those jobs give you alpha traits? It's hard to be a worker bee/commuter 40 hours a week and then suddenly switch on and be "alpha" during your off time. Besides, your career is a part of your identity in some places, and if you have a beta career, then you are beta. Although registered nurse might be interesting because at least you interact with a wide variety of people and get to differentiate yourself in a field tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 05:25 AM |
| 1 | Thoughts on #wastehistime2016Twitter is fucking terrible. You can't have a decent conversation in 125 or however many characters they allow now. I don't care if it's a joke or not. It panders to the lowest common denominator. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 05:08 AM |
| 6 | What was the best PPD comment you have ever read?I thought I'd saved it, but I can't find it now. It was a comment from a couple months ago saying, basically, that women didn't cause men to want them sexually, and so can't be held responsible for the consequences of this (which is basically all of RP). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 04:37 AM |
| 2 | Why do single moms receive so much praise?Elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Why do single moms receive so much praise?Without single moms, the economy would eventually collapse, because the birth rate among married people alone isn't sufficient to save off a demographic collapse. You'll eventually have a few younger workers trying to support hordes of olds. Think Japan. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 05:13 PM |
| 1 | The shame associated with prostitution.Alternative theory: Society tends to become more uptight about everything over time. In poorer countries you see parents with unhelmeted children on motorcycles. Here they would get arrested for child abuse. It's not just this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 04:10 PM |
| 4 | I don't agree with the wall(Think of Jenny from Forrest Gump--"okay, Forrest, you'll do") I can't believe I never made that connection before. It seems so obvious now. It's unfortunate that since I started following RP theory, I'm now seeing "redpill truths" everywhere. Like when Han Solo says he leaves Leia so she'd miss him in the new Star Wars, I thought "active dread game." But the weird thing is that 99% of the population just gets it without some convoluted theory needed to explain it to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 03:41 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: An incel-curing pussy fairy posted on r/confessions. What're your thoughts, red pills, MGTOWs, and incels?I'd love to meet her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 03:23 PM |
| 1 | Q4 all pills: What does your perfect relationship look like?I'm not sure. The loftiness of it is what appeals to me, I guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 05:11 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radarFour days in mice, dude. Four days. In mice. This is cutting edge. Do you have any idea how much more complicated the nine month development of a human being is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 12:22 AM |
| 4 | Q4 all pills: What does your perfect relationship look like?This will sound weird but I'm working on an applied philosophy that can be used as the basis for a future left-wing/social justice oriented community. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 12:20 AM |
| 6 | The oversexualisation of girlsWait, she's suing him for facetiming her? I wasn't aware that it's a crime to facetime a minor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 11:45 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radarHistorically things were balanced out. But around 1800, starting in Europe, the shit men were doing suddenly got a lot cooler, whilst the shit women were doing stayed the same. Hence why feminism didn't exist much prior to 1800, and when it did come into being, it was the middle and upper classes if the most technologically advanced societies that spearheaded it. We live in a brave new world that is very different than the one we evolved in. Hence the fact that all my ancestors managed to reprod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 10:53 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radarThey've been talking about the artificial uterus since I was a kid. Unless Elon Musk suddenly takes an interest in it, I don't see it happening anytime soon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 10:45 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radarPUA doesn't work for 95% of men. TRP is just PUA/inner game plus politics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 10:43 PM |
| 2 | One of the things RP gets most wrong about women and relationships in general.You're cute. If I was a chick slut I'd probably bang you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 10:19 PM |
| 6 | Q4 all pills: What does your perfect relationship look like?Really only one requirement: She's on the same mission I am in life, and believes in it even more deeply than me (highly unlikely) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Does TBP really not believe in the concept of a "Sexual Market Place"?Pointing out a distinction between two concepts isn't anti-intellectual, it's one of the forms of thought necessary for intellect to exist to begin with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 08:33 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radarThanks. "We measure a man's worthiness to where the title of man, and therefore the title of human, through how useful he is either to society or to women. And one of the most useful things a man can do, even now in the eyes of society is to put women and children before himself." This sentence is a good thesis of the entire video. I don't mind my worthiness being judged on how useful I am in that sense [not as in putting women and children before myself, but in the value of my efforts to societ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 04:41 PM |
| 5 | Western men tend to have a higher self-esteem than womenI've seen it the opposite as well though, a guy will try to insult a girls looks if he doesn't like her for some reason, when in reality she's cute. Either way, I think the truth is apparent over time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 03:28 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radarCan you provide a summary of the content of the video, rather than just repeat the assertion of the title? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 03:11 PM |
| 5 | Q4RP: What 'education' on manhood and women do you think non-TRP men got growing up?(non RP but still understands "the lie", sort of): The "lie" was more the fact that we weren't taught anything about what a woman wants in a man, sexually. That if we focused on career, we wouldn't have a problem getting a girl later. That merely having a dick would make us attractive to women in the same way women were attractive to us. Personally, I was never taught that my ethnicity would become a disadvantage in dating. It was a lie by omission. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 03:06 PM |
| 3 | Western men tend to have a higher self-esteem than womenYou've shifted the issue to RP making more of an effort to understand women, than feminists to understand men. I would tend to agree with that, on some level. It may stem from the "game" component of RP, or the mission of RP to help men in their relations with women, which necessitates at least some investigation into the opposite sex. But as to the conclusion of the investigation, on this topic, I couldn't find anything that a feminist would necessarily disagree with. What is the difference bet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 02:28 PM |
| 6 | Western men tend to have a higher self-esteem than womenAgreed... There's a poster around here who calls themselves a TRP feminist and occasionally you see something that suggests they're onto something. Your opinions on this matter seem to fall into that category. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 01:43 PM |
| 9 | Western men tend to have a higher self-esteem than womenDo you think women would be better off if respected for their abilities sans sexual agenda? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 01:34 PM |
| 9 | Western men tend to have a higher self-esteem than womenCis, why aren't you a feminist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 01:27 PM |
| 2 | Western men tend to have a higher self-esteem than womenValidation based on appearance and relationship value alone doesn't lead to self esteem, because one is constantly at the mercy of the judgement of others. I don't get the part about women being involuntarily single though. Any woman can go on r/fa and seemingly get a relationship if in a big city. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 01:24 PM |
| 9 | What do you guys think about how Reddit mods are responding to the news of sexual assault by minorities in Cologne on New Years?Slight off topic to the NYT article on this... but I just read Germany is taking in 1.5 million migrants this year? That's like 2% of their population. That would be the equivalent of the U.S. taking in 6 million people... or nearly a decade's worth of immigration... in a single year. Huge. I don't see what this has to do with PPD though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 10:02 PM |
| 1 | If according to femenism "gender is a social construct" doesn't that make femenism in itself a paradox?Caitlyn Jenner is a bad example...Some have theorized that Jenner may go back to being a man in the future for more publicity. She's by far the most visible trans activist in our culture, and she's hardly the only trans person who hasn't gotten sex reassignment surgery. For example, this person's partner. Socially conditioned gender refers to what society thinks a specific gender should do. Which is gender. That's the whole debate. Transgenderism isn't about genitalia, it's about gender as a soc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Blue pill for the wrong reasons?Is she taller than you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 05:54 PM |
| 2 | Blue pill for the wrong reasons?You and I are similar! I'm also attracted to dominant women, and I've long since accepted that it's one of the big reasons why I began supporting feminism. Who cares why you do the things you do? You're aware of it, which is the important part. You're not morally superior to simply by virtue of being non red pill. But nor are you a special kind of bad anything. Morality comes down to actions, not thoughts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 05:24 PM |
| 1 | If according to femenism "gender is a social construct" doesn't that make femenism in itself a paradox?What about Caitlyn Jenner? She has not undergone sex reassignment surgery, but is understood to have transitioned. You're saying she is not trans? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 05:00 PM |
| 1 | If according to femenism "gender is a social construct" doesn't that make femenism in itself a paradox?So you're only transgender if you want sex reassignment surgery, and the desire for this change is the basis for being transgender? That's not how I understood it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 04:53 PM |
| 4 | Do you think male preferences/emphasis on sex have shaped female views on sex?I can completely understand women's low priority on sex. After all, if sex meant having sex with men, I wouldn't want to do it, either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 04:31 PM |
| 2 | If according to femenism "gender is a social construct" doesn't that make femenism in itself a paradox?Doesn't the fact that transgender's gender was constructed incorrectly prove that gender is a social construct? If it was purely biological, then where did this incorrect construction come from to begin with? If society did not "construct" gender, people who identify as transgender would not feel mistreated in society before transitioning from one gender to another because society would not have constructed the genders in such a manner as to make their pre-transition lifestyle incongruous. The v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 04:23 PM |
| 1 | On Nikole Paulun and raising her 6 year old son to 'respect women'Ha, fair enough :-) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 04:52 AM |
| 1 | On Nikole Paulun and raising her 6 year old son to 'respect women'What you would suggest as the solution? Pussy is put on a pedestal. Only hardcore re-socialization can fix that, and only maybe. It's unlikely such a thing would ever be implemented. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 04:39 AM |
| 4 | Manipulation is not inherently negative: Bad intentions areEthical judgments are red pill truths now? I thought they didn't concern themselves with what is good or what is bad? The question is, does the manipulation work? This seems to be impossible to say with certainty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 04:35 AM |
| 2 | On Nikole Paulun and raising her 6 year old son to 'respect women'Reminds me of this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 02:19 AM |
| 1 | On Nikole Paulun and raising her 6 year old son to 'respect women'There doesn't seem to be a correct solution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 02:17 AM |
| 2 | On Nikole Paulun and raising her 6 year old son to 'respect women'Because people put women on a pedestal? RP and BP both observe the same behavior, they just call them different things and draw different conclusions from them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 01:40 AM |
| 1 | If you have read the princaples TRP teaches men have you not noticed women use them on yourself?Shouldn't I not be able to detect it, if it's being used right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/16 01:16 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The "ugly guy" who gets laid left and right with attractive women is a mythWell I had fun going 3-1-0 against her in pool. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 09:27 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The "ugly guy" who gets laid left and right with attractive women is a mythI appreciate it but it's okay... the grind plays out like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 09:27 PM |
| 4 | CMV: The "ugly guy" who gets laid left and right with attractive women is a mythSo, Saturday night, I had a date. This was an arranged thing through my parents that, although they assured me that the girl had already been contacted, had my photo, and was waiting with bated breath for my email to her, she assured me that she had no idea who I was or that I was going to contact her. After some text banter, we arranged a meet at a local bar. I arrive first, and sit down right in front of the door, I tell her I'm there, where I'm sitting and what I'm wearing, and she knows my r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 05:50 PM |
| 1 | Why does TBP shame the women who choose to sleep with TRP men by calling them "insecure, damaged, dumb, etc"?Because TRP shame and deride these women first, TBP does so as a defensive mechanism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 10:30 PM |
| 7 | Five harsh truths that TRP decided to delete, what's wrong with them?The harsh truth is that the TRP mods aren't fair. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 10:13 PM |
| 1 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".I don't know, as a 32 year old with no sexual experience beyond kissing there has to be a group for me. I don't accept that I'm all that different than a 22 year old who has never rejected a girl before. When I was 22, neither had I. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 09:41 PM |
| 0 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".So what's the difference between incel and foreveralone? I'll stop labeling myself incel if that's really the case, I must have gotten confused on the definition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 06:33 AM |
| 2 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".If you took the worst-looking 30% of women on Tinder, Bumble, Okcupid, or the street, and compared them to the women in rows 1-3, the women in rows 1-3 would look worse, on average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 05:19 AM |
| 2 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".Yes and 30% of the women definitely aren't in the 1-3 category according to that chart. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 05:12 AM |
| 2 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".What would you consider bottom 10%? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 05:03 AM |
| 1 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".The women who accept a date with me to begin with are at the bottom 10% of SMV. I've only once in my life rejected a woman with an above average SMV, and that was when I was first dating, and too oblivious of my own low value to realize how lucky I was. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 04:55 AM |
| 1 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".I said 1 out of 100 though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 04:49 AM |
| 5 | Question for All Pills: Why do people care so much about being virgins?This. If you're a man, being a virgin is like having herpes. The worst thing about it is the reaction of other people to it. I've looked into paying for sex, and it's not as easy as it sounds. First, there are legal issues. But law enforcement in the U.S. tends to care more about trafficking and exploited victims, so certain kinds of sex work are de facto legalized in some parts of the country. Second though, there are moral issues, if you're paying under $300 an hour, you're probably taking adv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 04:43 AM |
| 5 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".So an incel is literally someone who would be with anyone in the world? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 04:09 AM |
| 0 | CMV: A woman who's chronically single because none of the men interested in her are up to her standards does not make her "incel".I'm incel and I've turned down people before... Sure like 1 time out of 100 but it's happened. Doesn't make me less incel just be I don't want to be with someone I'm not attracted to at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 10:52 PM |
| 1 | Question for Blue: What does power do to a person?Why did the chicken cross the road? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 08:19 PM |
| -1 | How much SMV would a very wealthy very socially awkward man have?I am having a sad over your post | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 08:15 PM |
| 1 | How much SMV would a very wealthy very socially awkward man have?So a 25 year old billionaire is banging a post wall 32 year old | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 07:38 PM |
| 10 | Regarding what women feel they're "allowed" to doOh, this is one of those "get off my lawn" posts. I'm slightly disappointed. :-) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:42 AM |
| 0 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?You seem frustrated. Maybe you should try TRP | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:33 AM |
| 3 | Regarding what women feel they're "allowed" to dowomen seemed to have actually regressed in 1000 ways since i was young in the 80s elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 02:11 AM |
| 5 | Star Wars 7 Gender Roles and General SpoilersDamn, I disagree with every single point you made but am too lazy to type a response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 01:49 AM |
| 8 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Growing taller, becoming whiter, and getting younger definitely takes time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 01:19 AM |
| 3 | Do Female Incels have it the Worst?Even the mother in What's Eating Gilbert Grape? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/15 01:17 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Stereotyping men with certain behaviours into a pejorative Nice Guy™ archetype is dehumanising towards men, and thus betrays an example of contemporary feminist hypocrisy.I've definitely seen it used in the sense of the example I've described, and in that case the logical/conceptual mistake is built into the term itself. I agree that as a behavior or emotion, it's a coherent term, but in that case Nice Guyism would be more precise. Also, a part of the concept is that there's this type of person called the true nice guy or genuine nice guy, which is definitely a bad archetype and dehumanising, as well as just simply not an accurate descriptor of any actual person.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:36 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Stereotyping men with certain behaviours into a pejorative Nice Guy™ archetype is dehumanising towards men, and thus betrays an example of contemporary feminist hypocrisy.Yes, using it to describe a behavior is a valid use, and you're right. The problem is when it's used to label a person in his totality, including his entire history, as if he has an intrinsic nature of 'nice' or not. This leads to logical/conceptual mistakes. For instance when they say "If you were really nice, you wouldn't be angry now that girls never rewarded your nice behavior when you were in high school." This implies that because he is angry years later (let's say at age 22), his nice beh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 11:07 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Stereotyping men with certain behaviours into a pejorative Nice Guy™ archetype is dehumanising towards men, and thus betrays an example of contemporary feminist hypocrisy.If anything, it should be the reverse. Discussion here is way to chaotic, emotional and filled with unspoken conflicting assumptions. I mean, SMV is supposed to be one of the most "basic" and "uncontroversial" of concepts but we can't even agree on a precise definition of the term. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 10:51 PM |
| 2 | So what have we learned?I have learned a lot of the motivations and rationale behind TRP. Before I came on here I thought they were pretty much the demon's spawn. Now I see why there would a void in society that TRP would come in to fill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 10:05 PM |
| 1 | What does "feeling entitled" mean to you? Can anyone name a single person who actually believes that sex or relationships are "entitlements"?Friendship can meet some of that need, but for a lot of people it’s just not enough. He clearly means a relationship that includes sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 09:35 PM |
| 2 | What does "feeling entitled" mean to you? Can anyone name a single person who actually believes that sex or relationships are "entitlements"?I don't know. I really have not made up my mind on this one at all. I want to look at the most challenging interpretation or definition, which is to me people who use the term most broadly. To that end, /u/djchazradio had the most helpful answer for me here, for they defined it mostly broadly, summed up as "complaining, bitterness, or anger" over how relationships work, womens' sexual habits, and differences between men and women, or generally for a lack of "sex and happiness". If one is complai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 09:34 PM |
| 1 | What does "feeling entitled" mean to you? Can anyone name a single person who actually believes that sex or relationships are "entitlements"?Almost no men? What about this guy?. He is not even incel, a RPer or blackpiller. Yet he writes: In other words – words that shouldn’t be surprising to anyone who has spent much time in a human body – companionship and warmth can be in some situations just as important as food and getting your more basic needs met. Friendship can meet some of that need, but for a lot of people it’s just not enough. There is a huge disconnect over the idea of 'entitlement'. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 09:14 PM |
| 1 | What does "feeling entitled" mean to you? Can anyone name a single person who actually believes that sex or relationships are "entitlements"?Do you think a man who visits a prostitute feels entitled to sex? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)Touché. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 08:59 PM |
| 2 | What does "feeling entitled" mean to you? Can anyone name a single person who actually believes that sex or relationships are "entitlements"?Sometimes I think they're threatened by the idea that attraction is anything but totally random, which is confusing. Part of the resistance on BP of offering an alternative to RP is the "There's no way to get women to be more attracted to you" argument. Like, grooming yourself and not being a criminal is permitted, but any serious effort beyond that is too much. Why? I can only speculate that it's similar to men who like the look of makeup but don't like the idea of makeup. You don't like the id… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 07:10 PM |
| 1 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)Fair enough. I'm just saying the argument presented above assumes that feminists are thinking about the relation of their ideology to sexual dynamics more than they do. "Because if he was actually nice, she'd want to fuck him, just like any good feminist would." is not the impression I've ever gotten from any feminist rhetoric. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)Could be because you're asking them to 'justify' something beyond the realm of justification? If my best friend says, "I like strawberry ice cream more cause it's sweeter. Don't you?" and I say "No, it's too sweet. I prefer vanilla," that's a normal conversation. If the strawberry vendor comes up to me all butthurt and gets in my face demanding "Why did you buy HIS ice cream? Why not strawberry??? Tell me. Explain yourself." I might just tell him to fuck off and mind his own business. I'm saying… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 06:54 PM |
| 1 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)Fascinating post /u/exit_sandman, I like the ideas presented here, but I think this particular projection of a psychological mindset on the opposite side is mostly inaccurate. Feminism is an almost strictly Apollonian ideology and TRP is an overwhelmingly Dionysian one. To try and put feminism into a Dionysian frame just won't work. It's the anti-feminist solipsism to the feminist solipsism that the Dionysian frame either doesn't exist or is politically irrelevant. I'm sure that won't explain th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 06:45 PM |
| 1 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)Women become even more angry than the "nice guy" supposedly gets, because this is extremely sensitive territory to them. Fascinating response... could it also be because it's extremely sensitive territory in general? After all, this is what the whole nice guy controversy is about, at the end of the day. We get upset when the ladies aren't attracted to us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 06:11 PM |
| 2 | A new way of measuring SMVWhat was the old definition again? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 04:54 AM |
| 1 | Would you rather be humiliated in front of a group of people, or suffer invisibly?Done. Would you judge a someone for going back to their abuser, though? Shouldn't it be the person's choice? Wouldn't invalidation this choice be a denial of the abusee's agency? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 01:39 AM |
| 4 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)After the victory of the beta uprising, your mate will be selected by the central committee. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 12:10 AM |
| 4 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)"From each according to his ability; to each according to his need." Now apply that to sex and make it official policy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 11:29 PM |
| 9 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)But gentleman and romantics can be assholes and dudebros, and vice versa. Men can be actually kind and honest one day and put on a facade a next day. Neither part invalidates the other. Part of the issue is seeing men as archetypes instead of complex human beings. So if the dating market is capitalist, are you proposing a socialist revolution? I think sexual socialism is what terrifies feminists the most. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 10:54 PM |
| 3 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)So then they do shame nice guys. The just world fallacy applies to women as well as men. I'm not convinced that all a woman has to do is be nice to get what she wants out of life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 09:43 PM |
| 8 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)Women do not shame nice guys. I was referring to the Nice Guys trope. But there's some overlap between Nice Guys and nice guys, too. The insistence that there's some yawning chasm between the saintly feminist-approved True nice guysTM and the lying, misogynistic shitlords claiming to be Nice GuysTM is BS. All men are human beings. Even the True nice guysTM get frustrated and even the shitlord Nice GuysTM are sometimes genuinely nice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 09:37 PM |
| 13 | Why feminists are threatened by Nice Guys (and why he'll never go away)So they're not really "nice" at all. This is assuming that there's some fixed identity of "nice" or "not nice". Poverty is, by and large, a functional result of a capitalist economy. The dating market is capitalism of the private sphere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 09:34 PM |
| 9 | Just to clarify, the Cock-Carousel is not the same as a Vagina-Carousel. You cannot compare the two.We've had this discussion before. The same dynamic can be used to argue that women who sleep around are doing society a service since there's a lot of thirsty men out there, but men who sleep around aren't providing much value since women can get dick any time. Why is that argument less valid? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 09:13 PM |
| 1 | If Feminists/Blue Pillers STOPPED claiming Nice guys are actually manipulative assholes entitled to sex, maybe less people would turn to The Red PillWho says human beings were "good" anyway? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 07:59 PM |
| 2 | If Feminists/Blue Pillers STOPPED claiming Nice guys are actually manipulative assholes entitled to sex, maybe less people would turn to The Red PillYeah, I'd agree that the NiceGuys, neckbeards, and BP subs are punching down, the latter in the context of dating struggles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 07:10 PM |
| 0 | If Feminists/Blue Pillers STOPPED claiming Nice guys are actually manipulative assholes entitled to sex, maybe less people would turn to The Red PillMisogyny and racism are your problem insofar as you shouldn't engage in then in a way that hurts others, as a part of being a member of society. But you have an obligation to yourself and your own needs before anything else. Ultimately, we're responsible for the things we have the ultimate stake in. The one who cares the most whether I get a girlfriend or not is me. Hence, the one most responsible must be me. And I have to prioritize the things in life that I'm ultimately responsible for over th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 06:42 PM |
| 0 | If Feminists/Blue Pillers STOPPED claiming Nice guys are actually manipulative assholes entitled to sex, maybe less people would turn to The Red PillHe's saying guys turn to the manosphere (and TRP) because feminists didn't offer them a solution to fact that a morally upstanding guy is far less romantically successful than a criminal. That's the same functional form of argument as a guy saying he turned to anger because when he was nice, the girl he liked didn't date him and instead dated a jerk. It's just longer and it deals in masses instead of individuals. So it reencapsulates the argument. Feminists are never going to offer guys like us … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 06:09 PM |
| 0 | If Feminists/Blue Pillers STOPPED claiming Nice guys are actually manipulative assholes entitled to sex, maybe less people would turn to The Red Pillimo this is a very disingenuous reading of Radicalizing the Romanceless. It is? What is the right reading? Don't get me wrong, I agree with the conclusion he makes about what is needed, but at the same time it's remarkable how the way he frames his argument is the same way Nice Guys frame theirs. And the main reason it's remarkable is because the post is about Nice Guys and he put a lot of effort into it. It's just not the sort of things you see very often. But the conclusion of the post was mos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 05:51 PM |
| 1 | What was your parents' relationship like, do you think this factored into your beliefs on relationships and sexuality and if so how?Early in their relationship my dad was the one who cooked and earned less money, whereas my mom had a more successful career. Gradually they reverted to a more traditional role, but their careers are still both pretty much equal. My mom does all the traditional housework and my dad does the 'man-work'. My mom has a strong personality but is too conservative in her outlook, and I think she dissuaded my dad from going into business for himself, which I regret. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 04:36 PM |
| 1 | Would you rather be humiliated in front of a group of people, or suffer invisibly?Thanks cora... I think I made this a little too complicated and the idea I was trying to get across got lost. You're right that the title question doesn't really capture the issue. What I was trying to get at is that there's an irrationality at hand- that even people who would pay more money to get back with their ex than avoid humiliation, will choose avoid humiliation because emotion overrides their calculation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 01:14 AM |
| 5 | If Feminists/Blue Pillers STOPPED claiming Nice guys are actually manipulative assholes entitled to sex, maybe less people would turn to The Red PillWhoever came up with this "Nice Guy" thing is seriously underappreciated. I can think of no concept I've ever known where such a high percentage of attempts to escape or critique the concept simply end up reencapsulating the concept. It's like recursive mirrors. Scott Alexander, the king of effortposts, reencapsulated it when he tried to tackle it, ending up arguing in effect, "If you had given us sex when I was really nice, we wouldn't have had to turn the manosphere." The OP reencapsulates it.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 11:42 PM |
| 3 | How should women react when a man likes her, but she doesn't like him?Yeah, this might be a better question for r/AskMen | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 10:18 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Beta white knight set on fireThis will be unpopular, but if the guy really started cursing you out from out of nowhere like you described you both did the right thing. Real beta behavior from this guy would have been if he had steamed all night, but turned around and drowned his sorrows by getting drunk. But he had the guts to walk up to a guy he didn't know, with a girl he didn't know, who would probably take your side since she's with you to begin with, and call you a "scumbag, player, that hes a good guy and I don't dese… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/12/15 07:25 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Castration (or death) is the only way.Why wait? Syria is still there. You'll either end up dead or alpha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 06:51 PM |
| 2 | Why women mock "nice guys"The simplest explanation is that it's easy to mock weakness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 06:32 PM |
| 3 | "Preventing rape" is idealistic, childish unrealistic pie-in-the-sky. "Prosecuting and punishing rape in courts of law" is a real thing and should be the goal of a pragmatic "feminism"This article claims the study found it's only 40 percent genetic and 60 percent environmental. If 60% of rapes can be prevented by socializing people not be rape by shaping their environment, that's a big win. If 40% is genetic then that's good news too, because it suggests that once humans master genetic engineering, that can be solved too. But of course you guys don't point to these studies to argue for research on genetic engineering, you do it to argue against efforts to prevent rape by tryi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 06:07 PM |
| 3 | Should a woman go to a guy's apartment alone if she is aware that he is sexually attracted to her, but she has no intention of having sex with him.Or he doesn't invite her into his bed because he's not ready for sex, even though he's attracted to her, but she sees his apartment. Or he invites her, and she changes her mind and says yes, and they have mind blowing sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 05:43 PM |
| 3 | Does redpill believe it's better to be a mediocre PUA than a nerd with a gf?How did we get here all of a sudden? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Does redpill believe it's better to be a mediocre PUA than a nerd with a gf?I'm pretty sure the book of pook with all those links to Don Juan message boards from 2002 was still linked somewhere in the standard reading last time I checked. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Does redpill believe it's better to be a mediocre PUA than a nerd with a gf?The correct RP response is that a phrase such as "believe it's better" is normative, whereas they are only concerned with description. Descriptively, it depends on what you mean by "mediocre". Is the PUA not getting laid at all? Whose SMV (defined by percentage of women attracted to him) is higher? The one with the higher SMV has more options, and thus more potential "power". RP claims that if the nerd does not recognize his power and is unwilling to walk away then his girlfriend will lose attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 05:05 PM |
| 1 | College girls are not only hotter but more mature than older women. CMVI thought TRP position was that women are more mature than men earlier in life, but stall out in their early 20s. However, that they remain more mature than men until their late 20s, and it is not until this point that men surpass women in maturity. (All speaking of averages of course). There is nothing inconsistent here with the fact that women do better in high school and college than men. A bigger threat to the above theory would be if having a child provided a large boost in maturity, except… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 04:44 PM |
| 2 | Caring About What Others Think of UsYou're saying you'd walk naked in the streets if you really wanted to? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 04:28 PM |
| 12 | Red Pill is the radical notion that women are people, and thats why people hate itIf traditional feminine roles really were equal to traditional masculine roles, RP wouldn't be so wedded to biological determinism. Someone has to play RightField and someone has to play ShortStop anyway because they're both positions in the game. It doesn't matter if one is really good at playing a certain position or not. Both positions will be played. RP argues strenuously that it's woman's biological destiny to play the traditional female role and vice versa because they know that if it was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 02:08 AM |
| 9 | Red Pill is the radical notion that women are people, and thats why people hate itOkay, but they think white men are victims. "Dupes of the feminine imperative/divorce rape/etc." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/15 02:05 AM |
| 6 | TRP doesn't give men what they want. It just convinces them that they don't want it.So you're saying the only time when a woman has truly loved a man is when the man was de facto RP? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 08:26 PM |
| 4 | There seems to be a confusion about what hypergamy is. I'd rather have access to sex with an unlimited number of 6's than a lifetime of commitment with Kate Upton. For women, it would be the opposite.What they mean is that a man has no limit on how many offspring he can have, in theory he can have sex with a different woman every day for 10 years and have ~3,652 kids. A woman is limited by her gestational cycle to one kid every ~9 months. Hence, for a man, sticking his thimgie in as many thergies as possible makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint, whereas for a woman, making sure the limited number of Juniors that come out of her thergies have good genes and get provisioned for makes ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 08:15 PM |
| 4 | TRP doesn't give men what they want. It just convinces them that they don't want it.I think this is fair. We want to breathe. We want to eat. We want to have sex in accordance to our sexual orientation. These desires aren't socially constructed. It is the form these desires take that is socially constructed. However, since the actual fulfillment of any desire always takes a certain form, the social construction is always embedded into it. A man wants sex. Does that take the form of monogamy or polygamy? A man wants to eat. Does that take the form of eating vegetables only, or v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 08:02 PM |
| 1 | TRP doesn't give men what they want. It just convinces them that they don't want it.There are a lot of rumors about the Clintons. I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he was really in love with her. I suppose we'll find out if Hillary loses the campaign. Does Bill stay with her or not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 07:54 PM |
| 2 | There seems to be a confusion about what hypergamy is. I'd rather have access to sex with an unlimited number of 6's than a lifetime of commitment with Kate Upton. For women, it would be the opposite.I think there is where almost 100% of women will go with commitment to the male 10, whereas men will be divided with significant groups in each camp. If men weren't hypergamous and just wanted to fuck as many women are possible ala sexual strategy, then almost 100% of men would want an unlimited supply of 6's over commitment from a 10. But a significant percentage of men (I can't way what %) would choose the same as a woman. When BPers say "men are hypergamous too!" we don't mean that men aren't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Would your rather..?So by "friends and family" you mean friends you can still relate to despite them having kids/being partnered and you not, and older and/or extended family, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 05:34 PM |
| 5 | TRP doesn't give men what they want. It just convinces them that they don't want it.True, it's "largely" socially constructed, not entirely. But men wanting to fuck a lot of women is still consistent with a monogamous society. Bill Clinton is still married, after all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 04:59 PM |
| 3 | Would your rather..?Are you attracted to women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 04:26 PM |
| 2 | TRP doesn't give men what they want. It just convinces them that they don't want it.That depends on what you mean by "unconditionally" and "semi-conditionally". What about couples that claim to be "in love"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 04:16 PM |
| 3 | TRP doesn't give men what they want. It just convinces them that they don't want it.Don't worry - its also coming, just not in the way you or anyone here imagines it. Can you elaborate a little on this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 04:04 PM |
| 1 | TRP doesn't give men what they want. It just convinces them that they don't want it.Nothing is impossible. But you're right that people tend to delude themselves about the non-transactional parts of their relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 04:03 PM |
| 1 | Would your rather..?secretly have sex with a gorgeous celebrity of your choice and no one will ever find out or have everyone think you had sex with said gorgeous celebrity even though you didn’t and never will have sex with two 7s or have sex with one 10? (In b4 'There's no such thing as a 10', substitute 'That Girl', you know the one, the person you've always really wanted to bang.) be great at oral and okay at sex or great at sex but bad at oral end a first date with an 11/10 kiss or end a first date with 6/10 s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 03:59 PM |
| 7 | TRP doesn't give men what they want. It just convinces them that they don't want it.I think what people "want" is largely socially constructed. No one is born knowing what they want. Everyone is confused. If you socially constructed a world in which players were seen as losers who couldn't provide for a family and thus had zero value, men would want to get married. If you constructed a world where married men were beta providers who couldn't get a harem and get cucked, men would want to become players. What is consistent is that both men and women want high status in whatever s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 03:51 PM |
| 1 | The real cause of feminismAlso- http://time.com/2861431/female-executives-gender-quotas/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/15 09:30 PM |
| 3 | The real cause of feminismThoughts? My thoughts are that the quality of this post is poor, and the premise is incorrect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/15 09:06 PM |
| 5 | Do women who fall for PUA's know how impressionable and gullible they are?I tried to read The Game expecting it to give me advice on how to become more successful with women, but it turned out to be mostly just Neil Strauss bragging about the wild parties he had in the early 2000's. It just showed me what I was missing out on without helping me at all. Later I picked up some "real" PUA books that were on the market at the time. The overarching lesson of 2000's PUA is simple- If you want to succeed with women, work really, really hard at it. Of course, the same can be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/15 09:09 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women get killed less because they don't "defend" themselvesI think you handled your situations well. If someone has a gun and only wants your property, give it to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/15 01:39 AM |
| 1 | The Crime of Rape - A Legal PrimerDo university rape tribunals consider drunk sex to be rape? I don't blame individuals for being concerned with their reputation, as long as society isn't expected to protect a person's reputation, because in that case about half the shit on social media would have to be censored. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/15 05:37 PM |
| 3 | If women "freeze up" in response to dangerous situations, it is unconscionable to allow them the freedom to go around unchaperonedSee my reply to HSW. Of course, it should be qualified that every situation is different. Just because statistically, it's better to fight back, doesn't mean it always is. Which is why women or men who freeze up (which is the vast majority of people anyway) shouldn't be blamed. But most of the time, it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/15 05:32 PM |
| 4 | The Crime of Rape - A Legal PrimerArent most RPers under the paranoid delusion that a man is in significant danger of being convicted of rape just for drunk sex? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/15 05:28 PM |
| 20 | CMV: Women get killed less because they don't "defend" themselvesNo, it's pretty clear that women are killed less because they are attacked less than men. Studies actually show that women who fight back are better able to resist rape and there is no significant impact on chance of physical injury. Source | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/15 05:26 PM |
| 0 | The Crime of Rape - A Legal PrimerYou need to add a trigger warning to this shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/15 04:46 PM |
| 11 | If women "freeze up" in response to dangerous situations, it is unconscionable to allow them the freedom to go around unchaperonedOf course fighting back is preferable to freezing up. Not all women freeze up, only some. You won't know until it's you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/15 04:40 PM |
| 2 | What are your thoughts on polygamy?It will be advanced on the basis of, "If that's what makes them happy and it hurts no one, who are you to tell them what to do?" 80% of women will swirl around the top 20% of men, leaving the bottom 80% of men to execute polyandry, homosexuality and/or violence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 10:37 PM |
| 5 | (Both pills) Does anyone have any idea how to get over "approach anxiety"?Yes. You know who doesn't have approach anxiety? The people who pass our fliers for you to join Habitat for Humanity. Their approach is socially approved. This is why "boot camps" and going out with a wing or someone else gives you a boost. Someone gives you permission to approach, and expects you to approach. This is the most effective way I've found for diminishing approach anxiety. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 09:01 PM |
| 11 | Topless equality contradicts leggingsTrue but no one is saying being bare breasts should be allowed as professional attire, either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 08:48 PM |
| 6 | Topless equality contradicts leggingsWell, choosing not to do something and being prohibited from doing it are different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 08:36 PM |
| 2 | What, if any, redpill tactics would work as a lady to a man in a LTRGood reply, you are one of the more articulate RPers on here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 07:44 PM |
| 7 | What, if any, redpill tactics would work as a lady to a man in a LTRIf he has an emotional connection with her, even one well short of 'love', then the other 11 women he has lined up aren't replacements. Therefore he can't be completely indifferent between the girl in question and the other 11. The stronger the connection, the less indifference he can have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 07:34 PM |
| 2 | What, if any, redpill tactics would work as a lady to a man in a LTRDoesn't this imply that a man can never get emotionally close to a woman, or else he becomes a loser? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 07:20 PM |
| 3 | The lesbian nice-guy paradoxFor a woman, being intimate with another woman doesn't involve having another person's penis inserted into your body. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 07:17 PM |
| 6 | Today is Xemnas' BirthdayI don't know too much about Xemnas personally but he seems like a great guy. He has more demonstrated reading/watching/listening of manosphere material than any other poster here. I have high regard for his curiosity and the effort he puts into his posts here. You too cora... you always bring a more rigorous approach to the sub that raises the quality of discussion here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 07:10 PM |
| 5 | Why does it seem like all women are blamed for the actions of a few?Someone (it may have been Germaine Greer?) once said something to the effect of, "all women are feminists". How many women out there genuinely have no problem being discriminated against, being treated as an object, being treated as a child, being condescended to, being sexually assaulted, not having the same legal rights, not having ultimate rights over their own reproduction, and so on? Would Christina Hoff Summers like that? Cassie Jaye? Sarah Palin? Probably the closest you get is in tightly… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 05:46 PM |
| 4 | What, if any, redpill tactics would work as a lady to a man in a LTRI don't see anything gendered about holding frame, either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Just to take a break from it all, thought I'd post something we could all agree upon and something that flies over people's heads (inclduding mine) way too much. Happy Friday.http://tinyurl.com/pg5jje3 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 03:09 PM |
| 2 | is feminism a device for western economies to conquer developing countries?Lower class women were always working. Feminism is mostly for upper class women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 05:02 AM |
| 3 | Just to take a break from it all, thought I'd post something we could all agree upon and something that flies over people's heads (inclduding mine) way too much. Happy Friday.She's probably dating Chad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 04:32 AM |
| 12 | Just to take a break from it all, thought I'd post something we could all agree upon and something that flies over people's heads (inclduding mine) way too much. Happy Friday.No, thats sexual harassment since she's at work. She can't escape and is forced to talk to you. She's pretty is why she's working at reception to begin with. Otherwise she would have had to become a computer programmer. Also, I'm miserable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 04:13 AM |
| 1 | Simple Dating Market Breakdown as a function of Preference Inelasticity & Search CostsOh I definitely agree some sort of penalty exists along those lines. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 01:00 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The intellectual quality of feminists versus non-feminist gender thinkers mirrors the within-sex variability found by scientific studies of human intelligence.Brah brah brah chest beating. :-) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 12:55 AM |
| 1 | Simple Dating Market Breakdown as a function of Preference Inelasticity & Search CostsYes, but I didn't fully apply the model. I've been out of school for a long time so I'm rusty at this too :-) The 101st 9 will accept someone randomly between all the people they are willing to pair with. In that case, it's all the 10's, 9 out of 10 of the 9's, 8 out of 10 of the 8's, 7 out of 10 of the 7's, and so on... this preference is the same for everyone since I assumed that preferences are inelastic. Meanwhile, their chances of being accepted is always 90%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 12:52 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The intellectual quality of feminists versus non-feminist gender thinkers mirrors the within-sex variability found by scientific studies of human intelligence.Usually when I am confronted with arguments I feel no need to bother with I just don't respond. If I feel a need to declare it, then I did feel a need to respond in some way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Simple Dating Market Breakdown as a function of Preference Inelasticity & Search CostsI was typing a reply to this to this effect, but I realized that there is a problem with the way I constructed the model. First, the definition of a 9 is that 90% of people will pair with you. But second, I also assumed that a 9 will search among other 9's if a 10 is unavailable, which implies that all 9's find other 9's more attractive than 8's.. which is not included in the definition. To be fair, pretty much everyone makes this mistake, which is part of why I extensively criticized the 1-10 S… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 12:40 AM |
| 8 | CMV: The intellectual quality of feminists versus non-feminist gender thinkers mirrors the within-sex variability found by scientific studies of human intelligence.Evolutionary psychology and guys like Rollo (apart from the misogyny) just come up with explanations and confirmations for traditional modes of behavior. I don't think that takes much genius. Feminists come up with critiques and attacks on why traditional modes of behavior suck. Functionally that's a much harder task... You can't just say men and women ~behave~ this way, therefore men and women ~are~ this way, look here's a study! and have the masses nodding at your confirmation of their preconc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 11:16 PM |
| 1 | The Hypergamy DebateOf course not only those guys ever have casual sex, but that tends to be the standard for what is desired in men. My only disagreement is with when /u/rheecovery says that the "pool of men women want to have sex with" is more varied than the pool of women men want to have sex with. IMO, men outside the standard who have casual sex are much more likely to have gotten there by exploiting imperfections in the market. For example, they were both drunk; he was in the right place at the right time; he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 10:49 PM |
| 3 | Simple Dating Market Breakdown as a function of Preference Inelasticity & Search CostsThe okcupid study suggests that holds true for women, but for men it's a skewed bell curve. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 10:38 PM |
| 0 | The Hypergamy DebateBecause the ones you would sleep with to begin with are a smaller subset of the universally agreed to "types", whereas for men, if a woman fits the type, then he's almost certainly going to want to sleep with her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 10:34 PM |
| 0 | The Hypergamy DebateYes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 10:20 PM |
| 0 | The Hypergamy DebateThe example you used (and in the thread) only shows that women are more fickle, not that the targets of their attraction are more diverse, as /u/tallwheel said in the thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 09:12 PM |
| 2 | The Hypergamy DebateReminds me of Atalanta and the footrace. Even the ancient Greeks understood that the alpha widow would be left with no one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 09:10 PM |
| 1 | The Hypergamy DebateIf three men sat down with 10 pictures of women, they might all be willing to have sex with 6 of them - probably the same 6. If three women sat down with 10 pictures of men, while each one may only be interested in having sex with 3 or 4 of them, I can guarantee you there would be a much greater variation in which ones they chose. The standard of 'attractive man' in most large liberal cities is pretty narrow. Over 6'0 tall, white, brown or black hair, thin/lanky, and bearded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 08:56 PM |
| 18 | The Hypergamy DebateI wrote about this in Hypergamy is Common Sense. Of course women are attracted to "the best man to their liking" which is often "a man that is much more attractive than the woman". Why are statements that would seem to be obvious treated with mystification? The difference is that men are willing to fuck a greater variety of women. He may be more attracted to a 9 than 5, but he will still plate a 5 if he can. Whereas she will only fuck a 9, and would rather watch netflix than STR the 5. Hence, hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 05:35 PM |
| 1 | Men didn't learn RP because it's Dionysian, whereas 'society' is Apollonian.Thanks Xemnas | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 05:25 PM |
| 2 | When I treated women as individuals and gave them the benefit of the doubt, I was rejected, cucked, and burned. But when I apply TRP and treat women with the same broad brush..I enjoy way more success. PPD please tell me why I should stop being RedPillSure, be RedPill, but I don't see what that has to do with swallowing all the politics that goes on over there. What is your age, height, race, and how would you rate your physical attractiveness on a 1-10 scale? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 03:58 PM |
| 1 | In your ideal world, who should the hot (specifically talking about the hot ones here) girls be getting with?This. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/15 10:27 PM |
| 0 | Curious on what red pillers think about this post. Does this accurately represent your community?Yes, this is part of why the state should be responsible for child support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/15 03:40 PM |
| 1 | What do you think is causing the Herbivore Men phenomenon in Japan? How can it be fixed?This phenomenon is caused by a culture which coddles and spoils its boys so they grow up into man-children. They can try to adopt neo-liberal economics, which would help a sociopathic minority reform society, but also hurt the majority. The easiest way to fix it is for Japan to go to war. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/15 03:37 PM |
| 0 | Would you rather have the state pay support for unwanted children (i.e. your tax money) or biological fathers?I thought the theoretical justification for the idea of child support is that the child deserves a certain basic level of resources dedicated to his or her upbringing, even if the mother cannot provide this level of support based on her income. This makes sense, given the fact that in order to earn income, the woman would have to be employed full time, combined with the high cost of day care. If this concept is justified, it makes no sense for the biological father to always pay, because the bio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/15 03:34 PM |
| 10 | Archetypal Alpha Males really do exist - TRP is not exaggerating. They have their pick of the top women, and concerns over Cock Carousel is entirely justified.You forgot he also went to college in 2007-2011. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 10:16 PM |
| 2 | "Ben gave a great seminar today—but then his work is so much better than his sister's."Wow, someone pushed your buttons. I have reported your post for rules violation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Redpillers: How does the wall affect black and Asian women? They seem to have a longer shelf life.It's harder to see wrinkles with darker skin. On the other hand, makeup and cosmetic surgery can do wonders. What any of this has to do with pills is beyond me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 10:02 PM |
| 4 | CMV: The male desire for sex is internal, and not conditioned by society.Yep, how beautiful celebrities are worshipped, TV and movies have beautiful people coupling with each other as the norm, even the NY Times writing articles on "hookup culture" as if the average number of sexual partners of college students hadn't gone slightly down in the last 20 years. I felt I never had the "college experience" because I never went on spring break and fucked around. But had I never known about that "college experience" I would not have felt any emptiness inside. It is not diff… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 08:33 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The male desire for sex is internal, and not conditioned by society.Call me a cynic, but the "embrace your urges" view of sex, as with all else, developed roughly in parallel with capitalism, and serves it better than any other view of sex could. Self-control isn't profitable. The dating "market" from which hypergamy and rotating polyandry find their expression etymologically, conceptually and physically is a product of capitalism as well. RP blames online dating apps for accelerating her ability to find Chad, but Gloria Steinem didn't create Tinder; a guy who g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 06:51 PM |
| 7 | How did males acquire females during caveman days before language existed?There are other forms of communication besides language. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 05:26 PM |
| 10 | Sandwiches, ReduxYes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 05:16 PM |
| 12 | Sandwiches, ReduxThe point is that men are told that women don't really like hot, attractive men. Your premise is incorrect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 05:11 PM |
| 4 | Sandwiches, ReduxA woman has a lifelong fantasy of being raped. On her birthday, her friend, who is aware of this fantasy, says she has a gift for her, and it's in the bathroom. When she goes to the bathroom a male model comes up behind her and starts enacting a rape scenario. She hates it, and doesn't go through with it. The problem with RP is you guys can't separate erotic life from non-erotic life. Bread in erotic life is good, bread in non-erotic life is bad. Erotic life is such an important part of life, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 05:04 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP probably works more with confident women (contrary to orthodox bluepill claims)Haha the most insecure woman I've ever dated freaked out the first time I mentioned I was going to the gym. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 04:46 PM |
| 7 | CMV: TRP probably works more with confident women (contrary to orthodox bluepill claims)The point of TRP is not to flirt with the girl in a way she can roll with, it's to acquire power in a relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Alpha or Beta?RP is all about telling men what to do based on their claims of how women will react, specifically telling men to act more masculine because that is what women want. So it's a perfect microcosm of RP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Alpha or Beta?I'm not familiar with the personal lives of the artists and poets, I only know the politicians and generals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 04:25 PM |
| 6 | FTO - Alpha or Beta?They're too alpha to overintellectualize this as PPD does. "beta" is just a fancy way of saying "loser". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 04:24 PM |
| 1 | It occurred to me that maybe the reason red pill men are disappointed by the way women love them...On the flip side, perhaps women are afraid to love unconditionally because to do so they would be subconsciously taking on the mother role, which pushes away romantic love? Because they look down on children (down-love), they need to look up to their partner (up-love) to balance out the two forms of love. Hence, why they want a "captain". In any case, "love" is a social construction. I've never seen a scientific definition. Commitment is more important than love; the latter may disappear on a We… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 04:14 PM |
| 1 | Alpha or Beta?Most of the people on here are obvious alphas. There's nothing interesting to be said about it. If you're a national leader you're an alpha. At that level a beta is someone like Dmitry Medvedev, or Liu Shaoqi. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 04:06 PM |
| 1 | Gary Neville, David Beckham and Becoming an AlphaGuys don't like to think that the best they can do is become a beta. Because a guy might think this for years, but then one day he will come across a guy with similar physical appeal as himself, but is alpha. Then what? What guys should do is accept that we're not entitled to be alpha, and that we might not become alpha, and embrace that as a possibility, that if it doesn't happen it's not the end of the world. Unless your #1 goal in life is to "become alpha", then don't consider failure a possi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/15 03:59 PM |
| 2 | any bpers who think women can be as competitive as men?Of course. There are tons of young and good looking women out there, so it's not like if you're one you no longer have to compete. You just compete differently than men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/15 10:37 PM |
| 1 | Do you think we're moving into a more gender-segregated future?Why do you think that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/15 05:48 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers: During your anger phase, which of these realisations pissed you off the most?Not redpill but I do identify with the "anger phase" and #1 definitely pisses me off the most. I want hot girls. This one is probably like a 9 or 10. 2 I don't really care about because I like hot girls, so I don't really give a shit if they have some power. Overall, rich white men still have the most power (I know a lot of you disagree, but personally its not a point of debate). 1 or 2. 3 is definitely fucked, but I can understand they rejected me because they didn't find me attractive. I would… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/15 05:37 PM |
| 9 | Do you think we're moving into a more gender-segregated future?PPD isn't reddit. Reddit isn't the Internet. The Internet isn't society. Society isn't the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/15 04:29 PM |
| 1 | TRP is unlikely to be true.A lot of hamstering going on here. The problem with Whisper's post is not even that RP isn't scientifically true, but that RP is thoroughly concerned with "oughts". Every day there are front page posts with implied "ought" messages. For example, women ought to be slut-shamed for dressing a certain way, is something that would be embraced by RP. Even if RP was aiming at objective truth but missing the mark, Whisper would have a leg to stand on, but they start out with their wants first and then u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/15 04:20 PM |
| 1 | On AttractionYeah, same here. TRP would be a tolerable place if not for all the political nonsense. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/15 03:51 PM |
| 2 | On AttractionThis is a good post but it elides what many of these types of posts don't mention which is that within the domain of non-negotiable traits are some things outside of a man's control... for example HEIGHT. This is why there exists a blackpill. It's not 100% non-negotiable but it's 99% non-negotiable and that remaining 1% is often through doors of entry that aren't universally accessible, either. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/15 03:48 PM |
| 16 | How would the dating market change if everyone was completely honest regarding their intentions/desires?A lot more men would go into violent hobbies like boxing, martial arts, etc. There would be more open acknowledgement of racism in dating preferences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/15 03:39 PM |
| 4 | Tashfeen Malik from the Red Pill PerspectiveLiterally all the top notorious mass shootings in living memory have been done by men. Now that there's a woman involved in one it's hilarious to see the gender warriors grasping at straws and trying to pin this as a feminist conspiracy. Feminists should pin every mass shooting done by a man on MRA's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/15 03:11 PM |
| 4 | TRP is unlikely to be true.So if I act like a jerk I'll get laid? I tried these a few times recently. Two girls I started teasing them over text in a negging fashion and both got offended, and stopped responding to me. Fortunately I was able to resuscitate the conversations but only after dropping the teasing. One girl tried to introduce me to her friend and I thought they were being disrespectful to me and I wasn't enjoying myself so I just got up and left. While it felt good, all I got was an angry text and no prospects… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/15 04:20 AM |
| 1 | Why do TRPillers not understand why people don't like TRP?That guy is peddling individualist solutions to a social problem (racism). Of course we should all be our best selves, but that doesn't change the fact that there are social barriers to success for minorities (varying based on what type of minority), so if everyone is being their best self, then minority men will always be at a disadvantage. The only way to really challenge that is to look at social solutions to the problem, but RP doesn't want to do that. So they throw out this big self-improve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/15 10:50 PM |
| 1 | Why do TRPillers not understand why people don't like TRP?He doesn't care about you, personally. He cares about the broader social structure. Women who have less social status and control over their life situation tend to have more children, for various reasons. The tax collector is the fact that feminists tend to be allies of POC in the struggle against racism. Without feminism, there is one less ally. There are clear parallels between the struggle against sexism and the struggle against racism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/15 10:19 PM |
| 5 | Why do some feminists and BPers react negatively to the idea that men are expendable?Under traditional gender roles, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/15 10:09 PM |
| 3 | Why do some feminists and BPers react negatively to the idea that men are expendable?Seems like an almost meaningless generalization. A tribe or nation can still go on even if a high percentage of the women are children are lost... as long as there is a viable number of men and women left. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/15 10:07 PM |
| -1 | Why do TRPillers not understand why people don't like TRP?Closing your eyes to the broader agenda behind red pill is helping you? I'm skeptical. This is like the libertarian who says, "the government gives me my welfare check, and I think it's helpful, so I don't give a fuck." When the tax collector comes around, he screams "theft!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/15 10:04 PM |
| 2 | New study suggests there aren't great differences between "male" and "female" brains.Even if this is true, it doesn't necessarily explode AWALT, because AWALT might be due to socialization. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/15 10:01 PM |
| 0 | Why do TRPillers not understand why people don't like TRP?The guy who came up with large parts of RP theory is a noted racist and has recommended a book peddling theories which draw on racial IQ. His motivation for writing RP theory was to increase the white birthrate. Apparently, the sexual liberation of women isn't compatible with baby factories willing to breed the next generation of whites to resist the demographic onslaught. But the man's intrinsic misogyny also leads him away from the feminist-natalism of the Scandinavian model. Some of the black… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/15 09:54 PM |
| 5 | Why do some feminists and BPers react negatively to the idea that men are expendable?Everyone is disposable. Can RP clarify the notion of what is meant by men are expendable? Does it just mean that since women have more options in relationships, they can always have the "abundance mentality", and hence an individual man is less valuable to her, or is there something more to the idea? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/15 09:40 PM |
| 6 | In what way do men mature after 18 that women do not?I thought Ronda Rousey was behind the guys because guys are stronger than women (I'm assuming this; I don't think she's fought any men). Is there some other reason she's behind? Your argument that women get by because of their looks, doesn't translate over into skill. If a young pretty woman guitarist is YouTube famous even though she's mediocre, simply because she's a woman, she's not really getting recognition for her guitar skills, she's more likely being recognized because of her beauty. If … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/15 06:55 PM |
| 9 | In what way do men mature after 18 that women do not?I would say it's a double edged sword. Yes, girls get an easier time for being beautiful, although I'm not sure it really applies to ugly girls. Do ugly girls get an easier ride? Does a fat, black girl get an easier ride? I'm not sure. At the same time, beauty is a trap. As you say, it's a temptation for pretty girls to milk their sexual value in lieu of effort that in the long term dents their maturity. It also breeds resentment for the girl who tries to escape from this beauty privilege by, fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/15 05:38 PM |
| 2 | Since Alpha males don't marry, if a woman wants to be with an alpha male, it only makes sense that she becomes a slutThat's pretty much what it should be. It should be a social institution, not a legal one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 11:12 PM |
| 0 | Since Alpha males don't marry, if a woman wants to be with an alpha male, it only makes sense that she becomes a slutThe problem is this idea of "marital property", not no fault divorce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 11:01 PM |
| 3 | When the Red Pill happiness formula doesn't work?I see. Well I agree that your case is a counterexample against RP, to be sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 10:32 PM |
| 5 | Since Alpha males don't marry, if a woman wants to be with an alpha male, it only makes sense that she becomes a slutShe can go from alpha to alpha for a while until she hits the wall. Then she can provide a beta provider. So yeah. But she should also develop her own separate interests/career/personality/passions outside of sex life so when she's old and wrinkly, and her sexual value is in the pits, her nonsexual value can keep on going up. The only 'Wall' in nonsexual things is death. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 09:28 PM |
| 2 | When the Red Pill happiness formula doesn't work?Have you spoken with him about this? It sounds like not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 08:43 PM |
| 8 | When the Red Pill happiness formula doesn't work?It sounds like you're using TRP to hamster your way into justifying a divorce. I feel horrible for your husband and kids because it sounds like they've done nothing wrong and are going to get hit with this life shattering event completely out of the blue. But at the end of the day, you're responsible for your own happiness, and you can only be accountable to yourself. So.... if you really, really want a divorce, just do it. You don't have to justify yourself to anyone. Otherwise, stay and work i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 08:40 PM |
| 1 | A gentleman's guide to Rape CultureI would say it's similar to the norm of why harassment is wrong in the first place. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with complementing a girl on the street, but if it's generally known that most girls don't like this behavior, then it's disrespectful to do. Similarly, if it's generally known that girls being harassed would appreciate bystander intervention in cases where it's safe, then that would be the right thing to do. It's definitely something to evaluate on a case-by-case basis. Edit: … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/15 03:59 PM |
| 0 | A gentleman's guide to Rape CultureHave you read that site iHollaback? There are numerous accounts of harassment from women on there and occasionally, they will express disappointment at being harassed in a public place where no one said anything to help them out, or gratitude that someone did (for example, this story). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/15 03:44 PM |
| 2 | A gentleman's guide to Rape CultureYou only really addressed one of his four points of action. He doesn't say go charging into other people's business. He says: I stop for a moment. I make sure the woman sees me. I want her to know I'm fully aware of what's happening. I wait for a moment for a clear indication from her of whether she needs help. Sometimes, the couple will continue right on fighting like I'm just a hickory tree. Other times, the woman will make it clear she'd like backup and I approach the situation. I've never ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/15 03:26 PM |
| 2 | Anti rape activist has hard time hooking up (apparently not satire)When your appearance in a newsmagazine becomes a lightning rod for MRA's, it's usually not good news. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/15 03:03 PM |
| 0 | Anti rape activist has hard time hooking up (apparently not satire)Haha, I'm sure she has no problems hooking up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/15 02:47 PM |
| 4 | Anti rape activist has hard time hooking up (apparently not satire)It's been going around... I saw it on the MRA sub last week. Hopefully she's okay and not getting too many threats and whatnot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/15 02:39 PM |
| 2 | TRP's rhetoric on women compared to mainstream/feminist society's rhetoric on menThe site is terrible. It is only ever cited by MRA's when they have backed into a corner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/15 01:52 PM |
| 15 | Why do some MGTOWs and Red Pillers view women as their enemies?They hate you because you were born with something they want (or rather, they were born wanting something you have), only, on account of it being attached to you, they cannot just take it; they have to "get past" you first. Only in their case, too many of your fellow women won't let them get past. They see women letting other men past, but not them. Naturally, this breeds resentment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/15 01:52 PM |
| -1 | TRP's rhetoric on women compared to mainstream/feminist society's rhetoric on menSlate Star Codex is a bunch of reactionary psuedo intellectual BS that hides its lack of actual content through sheer length in the hopes that people who disagree with him will be too exhausted reading through his shit to actually respond. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/15 12:22 AM |
| 0 | TRP's rhetoric on women compared to mainstream/feminist society's rhetoric on menEvent: Male-controlled corporate conservative paper Wall Street Journal publishes chest-thumping misandry to feel good about itself. Result: actual female feminists suffer from the backlash. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/15 12:09 AM |
| 1 | TRP's rhetoric on women compared to mainstream/feminist society's rhetoric on menShut up, woman. You need men writing for the Wall Street Journal and the Guardian to tell you what feminism is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/15 11:18 PM |
| 2 | CMV: a lot of male feminists are in it because they mistakenly believe in a sexual utopiaJust because he was morally abhorrent didn't mean he wasn't top 20%. They held him up because many were attracted to him. This clouded their judgment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/15 06:05 PM |
| 1 | TRP on male and female aging.Surveys show women want men of about the same age as themselves. Ergo, women aged 20-23 want men aged 20-23. Surveys also show that men want women aged 20-23. Ergo, the most desirable women want men aged 20-23. Ergo, looking strictly in terms of age, male sexual value peaks at age 20-23. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/15 04:05 PM |
| 2 | CMV: a lot of male feminists are in it because they mistakenly believe in a sexual utopiaThat's why I used him as an example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/15 03:58 PM |
| 9 | [Discussion] Poor white boys get 'a worse start in life' says equality reportThis is quite absurd. Almost all of the second wave feminists were socialists. r/feminism supports Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton. To bring race into the topic also, this perception exists because poor, nonwhite women are generally much more oppressed by class and race than gender. Hence among the groups of women who will feel their gender oppression most heavily, middle-class and above white women will be over-represented. But if they can use their racial and class privilege to help the po… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/15 03:56 PM |
| 3 | CMV: BP-style feminist thinking can actually be damaging to young men, making them feel lonely, depressed and full of self-doubtNo, if I don't approach a girl the reason isn't because I'm afraid of being accused of sexual harassment. The reason will be I perceive my SMV as way lower than hers and I fear debasing myself by openly expressing my desire. It is a false form of pride, but it is very difficult to get rid of, even if intellectually I want to. I guarantee you can go to places like sluthate and other boards online and find plenty of woman-hating men who are lower incels. If it's a smack-down between male feminist … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/15 03:46 PM |
| 5 | CMV: a lot of male feminists are in it because they mistakenly believe in a sexual utopiaYou're right; I used to think some of these things, too. It's foolish for unattractive men to think they'll benefit sexually from the sexual revolution. At the same time I think conservatives mistakenly over-attribute the sexual revolution to feminism when in reality it's more of an outgrowth of capitalism. It's capitalism that takes people out of close-knit, established communities and puts them in huge, impersonal metropolises where dating becomes a meat market. It's capitalism that accelerate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/15 10:52 PM |
| 1 | What politically incorrect dating preferences do you have?that gives you sores on your dick Which is not as bad as the psychological trauma associated with the stigma: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/07/the-overblown-stigma-of-genital-herpes/374757/ This is why some doctors are hesitant to recommend tests even, if it's just for herpes. The mental pain can be far worse than the health symptoms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/15 09:14 PM |
| 3 | What politically incorrect dating preferences do you have?The stigma over herpes is overblown. For 99% of the population the worst thing about it is the fact that you know you have it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/15 09:01 PM |
| 1 | Feminist learns about The Red Pill and Changes her Tune causing Dave Futrelle to whine about it: Does this confirm that TRP is starting to win the public war?Had you heard of her before her current project? Be honest now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/15 02:04 AM |
| 0 | Feminist learns about The Red Pill and Changes her Tune causing Dave Futrelle to whine about it: Does this confirm that TRP is starting to win the public war?Compromising principles for money/success = selling out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 09:42 PM |
| 1 | Feminist learns about The Red Pill and Changes her Tune causing Dave Futrelle to whine about it: Does this confirm that TRP is starting to win the public war?Try not to make it too long. Lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Feminist learns about The Red Pill and Changes her Tune causing Dave Futrelle to whine about it: Does this confirm that TRP is starting to win the public war?I'd definitely be interested in hearing your view. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 08:22 PM |
| -3 | Feminist learns about The Red Pill and Changes her Tune causing Dave Futrelle to whine about it: Does this confirm that TRP is starting to win the public war?She's sold out. Very alpha of her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 06:53 PM |
| 4 | Why Do Women Ride the Carousel When It Doesn't Work to Get Them Relationships?Her priorities changing and her looks depreciating are two independent events. She could still be just as risk-seeking at 34 as she was at 24. If somehow you gave her back those 10 years she would still have the same risk-seeking behavior. Of course she wouldn't get with the same guys, but she would still ride the CC. It's like, if you give a guy who buys lottery tickets every week back 5 years (assuming he forgot about all the winning ticket numbers), he would never pick the same numbers, but h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 04:17 PM |
| 4 | Why Do Women Ride the Carousel When It Doesn't Work to Get Them Relationships?Yes, there are all sorts of complications you can introduce into the model. What I also glossed over is the top 20% when you're 28 is not the same top 20% as when you were 22. The chances of getting an LTR with the original (22) group progressively degrade as they go off the market. None of this changes the calculus much, though, if the woman is very risk-seeking. If Relationship with Attractive Man > Being Single > Relationship with Unattractive Man, and over 50% of men are unattractive, it doe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 03:37 PM |
| 8 | Why Do Women Ride the Carousel When It Doesn't Work to Get Them Relationships?Because it feels good at the moment. You're trying to apply some hyper rational model to people's thinking (neither women nor men are rational; both "hamster") when people in their 20s just want pleasure today. But even if you did think about it rationally, it's not such a bad deal, either. She doesn't just want any relationship; she'd rather be single than be with a low value man. She wants to cultivate an AF into AB. Even if the top 80% of women looking for a LTR are chasing the top 20% of men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 02:32 PM |
| 2 | AMA. I'm a RedPiller who's in a relationship with a radical feminist girl.How tall are you? Do you attribute your relationship to redpill techniques? If not, why do you need redpill? If so, what specifically did you do with her that worked? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 02:18 PM |
| 7 | I guess if anyone is interested, I am in an LTR with a guy who is the opposite of "Red Pill". I had previously dumped a Red Pill type guy. AMA?So the lesson, Redpill doesn't apply if you're Chad. Redpill confirmed (or at least not denied, ha ha) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 01:39 PM |
| 1 | So apparently it's AMA day...Online dating has exacerbated the sex gap in just the last 10 years. Church, friends, family, coworkers and college (the "we have something in common" methods of meeting) are all in decline. The more meat market forms of dating (restaurants & bars, and online) are growing. This raises the importance of superficial appearance for both men and women, and Game for men. I think it contributes to the rise of TRP and concepts like the "sexual market". It also exposes the disposability of men and the d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 05:42 AM |
| 2 | AMA I am an Australian, married prostitute.Ok, serious question. Have you ever given your partner an infection by accident? If not, is this a worry? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 05:32 AM |
| 3 | AMA I am an Australian, married prostitute.Do you think your behavior would be tolerated in 'Murica? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 05:24 AM |
| 2 | Couldn't help but notice some similarities between TRP philosophy and BuddhismIf men are doing fine, why does TRP have 135k subscribers, despite holding onto a loathsome view of half the population? There are a lot of men who aren't doing as fine as they'd like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 05:12 AM |
| 2 | Couldn't help but notice some similarities between TRP philosophy and BuddhismI thought TRP doesn't make value judgments, it just "describes reality"? Or does TRP make value judgments? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 05:11 AM |
| 4 | I guess if anyone is interested, I am in an LTR with a guy who is the opposite of "Red Pill". I had previously dumped a Red Pill type guy. AMA?How tall is your bf? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/15 03:13 AM |
| 2 | If you are unhappy with your reality, why not change it?Just out of curiosity, what is the attrition rate in your community? Were there others liked you who "got out", or did most children stay within the community and raise early families? Also, what made you shift perspectives? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 09:32 PM |
| 0 | So apparently it's AMA day...Are there any views or actions held members of TRP Mod team that would surprise the average TRP member? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:49 PM |
| 2 | I am dating a submissive guy , AMAIs he consciously submissive or is it just a feature of his personality not to make decisions? Are you attracted to submissive men or did you just fall into this situation by accident? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:47 PM |
| 1 | I support feminism. AMA.Yes, I was wording myself poorly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:44 PM |
| 0 | I support feminism. AMA.Why do feminists favor ad hominems and the "not a true Scotsman" fallacy? Why do feminists believe that emotional outbursts constitute rational debate? Why do peer reviewed articles and scientific data frighten feminists into using the above forms of argumentation? There are people of every affiliation who make bad arguments. Why are feminists commonly falling into solipsism? Why do feminists see a rape culture when I see a victim culture? Why do I see blacklisting/witchhunting and plain old McC… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:42 PM |
| 2 | I support feminism. AMA.That makes progress on a number of issues practically imposible. What issues? (manspreading, yes means yes, rape epidemic, 70 cents to the dollar, shirtgate, etc) I don't think the rape epidemic or wage gap are cooky, although the causes of the latter are more complex than simple discrimination. I think they both fall under the 3 main areas I wrote above where women are disadvantaged. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:34 PM |
| 3 | I support feminism. AMA.No, a whore plays that role. A slut sees men as sex objects. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:18 PM |
| 0 | I support feminism. AMA.Actually, I was referring to the whole problem of women being seen as sex objects disproportionately, or men having greater sex drive if you like. Sex trafficking would not be a gendered issue without this imbalance, so I think it falls under this issue, as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:17 PM |
| 5 | I support feminism. AMA.A relationship where only one partner is getting emotional support is not an equal relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:15 PM |
| 2 | I support feminism. AMA.I appreciate the modding. Not trying to make more work for you guys but given some of the content around here recently I very much wanted to post this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 05:08 PM |
| 1 | I support feminism. AMA.I support men's rights. But MRA seems like just a foil for feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 03:18 PM |
| 5 | I support feminism. AMA.The whole trigger warnings and safe spaces thing seemed overdone to me. Edit: I have to go do some work now, be back later. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 03:16 PM |
| 3 | I support feminism. AMA.Rape is a crime that's very hard to prove because it tends to happen in very private situations. So yes, I do think there are large numbers of rape victims out there who never saw legal recourse. I am not sure what the solution to that, is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 03:15 PM |
| 4 | I support feminism. AMA.The law no longer discriminates against women, and social institutions are broadly open to women. That is a huge accomplishment of feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 03:13 PM |
| 4 | I support feminism. AMA.I don't agree with everything that is said by every feminist, so yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 03:11 PM |
| 3 | I support feminism. AMA.Do you think feminism as it exists now in the US has gone too far? If so, how do you think it's gone too far? That's a loaded question. On what issues in particular? Is there a sense among feminists that they have gone too far, overplayed their hands? Or is the sense that they must keep going, that they've not gone far enough? If they thought they'd "gone too far" they probably wouldn't be feminists. The last couple of years has seen some setbacks, with GameGate & the manosphere gaining more pop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 03:10 PM |
| 2 | I support feminism. AMA.What are the most notable things that feminism is doing today that adversly affect the relationship between the sexes and promote more inequility? The focus on trivial issues or issues only within a very narrow range (rape culture on campus - why not rape culture in society?) tend to have a low bang for the buck, IMO. What are you doing personaly to fight the inceasing inffluence of crazy tumbler style misandry over mainstream feminism? What are you doing personaly to make sure that your feminis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 03:06 PM |
| 1 | I support feminism. AMA.Women's self concept is more closely tied to their appearance & approval from others. Women bear greater burdens of child bearing and bringing in the next generation. Women are physically weaker than men. The first issue is complex and I have no solution for. The second issue, can be resolved by generous family leave and flexible workplace policies, as well as male willingness to be equally involved fathers. The third issue, will never completely go away but can be marginalized by social norms t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 03:01 PM |
| 8 | I support feminism. AMA.Men. Women. The media. Male disposability is definitely a problem as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 02:56 PM |
| 2 | I support feminism. AMA.Probably because they don't like being discriminated against. Sometimes it's counterproductive. But a part of challenging power is also refusal to self censor before it. Redpill should at least understand that part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 02:53 PM |
| 1 | I support feminism. AMA.Feminism is a women's interest group. That being said, I think they should oppose the Women are Wonderful effect because it's at odds with their cause. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 02:50 PM |
| 7 | I support feminism. AMA.I sometimes work on women's political campaigns. Our culture disproportionately sees women as sex objects to be "had". Among other ways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 02:49 PM |
| 3 | I support feminism. AMA.Made life more interesting. Probably got me into the US as I would be here if not for my mother's career. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 02:43 PM |
| 5 | I support feminism. AMA.A political/philosophical movement revolving around equality for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 02:42 PM |
| 1 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.Oh my god, the cool kids chat? May I be invited? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 05:40 PM |
| 5 | What annoys you about others who subscribe to your "pill" philosophy?There's not enough of them on PPD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:41 PM |
| 1 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.I'm a leftist, but in a classless society women still have an intrinsic advantage in the "sexual market" (ugh) by having a vagina. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Why is TBP opposed to the concept of a sexual market?I've never seen it used without the implication that higher SMV is better. Further, using it with the implication would fit better with the rest of RP theory, which generally downplays individuality in favor of broad principles. To be fair, red pillers do often applaud and even seek out women who don't go for Chadd types. Examples? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 02:28 PM |
| 1 | Why is TBP opposed to the concept of a sexual market?I'm pretty sure Ann Coulter circa 2003 was 10/10 to someone out there, but a 1/10 to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 08:51 AM |
| -3 | Why is TBP opposed to the concept of a sexual market?does not imply that everyone agrees on the same ranking, or that it is some sort of universal truth. It implies a universal truth based on "supply and demand". But it's still an implicit value judgement when a higher SMV is assumed to be good, which it almost always is. The method plays a little "trick"- by outsourcing SMV to supply and demand, it claims that Suzie who likes short Indian guys' preference is equally valid, only a very minority preference. But by defining her preference as "lower … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 08:47 AM |
| 1 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.He's being made fun of for thinking "God, friend-zoned again? This is what I get for being so nice..." Notice she was being nice to him before that pivotal panel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 06:00 AM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP is so hated because women hate beta guys trying to act alpha.I'd say this was what PUA was in the 2000s, although there was a strain of misogyny in there as well (which is intrinsic in seeing women are manipulable objects), it wasn't as pronounced. Stuff like learning to overcome approach anxiety isn't misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 05:45 AM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP is so hated because women hate beta guys trying to act alpha.To the extent TRP is perceived as a hate group, then certainly it's valid not to debate them. I mean, if the KKK said 1 + 1 = 2, that the earth is round, and that my username is /u/bromance946, I would still go tell them to kill themselves. I don't blame TBPers who don't want to debate TRPers. That said, it's the individual's choice. If BPer is open minded to wants to engage in dialogue, that's obviously fine as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 05:40 AM |
| 1 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.Have you read Schedules of Mating and its kin? No, I will check it out, thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 05:04 AM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP is so hated because women hate beta guys trying to act alpha.If TRP wasn't misogynist, TBP wouldn't have enough material to exist. TRP is sexist at its core - not just the obvious comment here and there, but their endorsement of an amoral adversarial model of male-female sexual relations (and yes, they advocate men act based on it, so they endorse it; it's not just "thizz is nature"). Not all TRPers are raging misogynists, but the theory is sexist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 05:00 AM |
| 5 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.Most terpers advocate dressing well. As do I. Does that make me a terper? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:51 AM |
| 1 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?Sorry, what I should have said was, why should sex breed disrespect? As for your analogy of lions and zebras... zebras end up dead. A woman walks away from sex fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:49 AM |
| 0 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.How do we know women's desire for a higher status partner is not a cultural manifestation of Ego as well? How do we separate out that from sexual strategy, if the behavior is the same? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:35 AM |
| 13 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.Well at least you admit that men want to be hypergamous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:32 AM |
| 1 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.What do you mean by this? Don't TRP men work hard to improve themselves? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:28 AM |
| 4 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.I will be upfront if I'm not looking to commit. Is there something I should be doing besides that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:26 AM |
| 3 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.I'm open to commitment if the right woman comes along. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:24 AM |
| 1 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.You made a very absolutist statement. No one disputes that men want sex more than women (which implies less pickiness), but given the premise that men have a preference for some women over others, we would expect them to be hypergamous, minus insecurity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:21 AM |
| 3 | "Hypergamy" is common sense; it is the male lack of it that is unusual.I've never seen this question on here before, about why men are not more hypergamous. investing as little as possible to fuck as many women as possible Do you think all men have zero standards as to who we fuck? Like, a single man will never turn down sex from any woman, no matter how poor, ugly, and otherwise unattractive? "Many" being few. Confident/independent/accomplished women = woman who slept around and focused on careers more than caring about their man. More for us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 04:19 AM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP is so hated because women hate beta guys trying to act alpha.People are attracted to each other's rough edges. If she can see that you tried, but your trying wasn't malicious, she can find it attractive. Again, the reasoning is that the very act of trying to act confident is an act of confidence. Remember, I am speaking in relation to a guy who is diffident and embraces his diffidence. Both men will be found out, but the former man changed his position by acting, as there is nothing really more "true" or objective in what goes on inside the mind, than wha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 02:52 AM |
| 4 | CMV: TRP is so hated because women hate beta guys trying to act alpha.Plenty of women like insecure guys trying to act confident, especially insecure women. The very act of trying to act confident, is itself an expression of confidence, for it suggests a confidence in the success of the act. Even if the act fails, the fact of its attempt is attractive... more so in any case than the insecure man who embraces his insecurity, and never does anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/15 02:40 AM |
| 1 | Men didn't learn RP because it's Dionysian, whereas 'society' is Apollonian.Robbing banks will get me more money I want more money Therefore... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/15 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Why is TBP opposed to the concept of a sexual market?I don't "oppose" it per se. I consider the quantification/marketization of everything about human life (particularly in the Information Age) to be an unstoppable rolling steamer led by the U.S. My real enemies are not the lost men and boys of TRP but the cold, irresistible logic of okcupid and tinder. Marx was however right in that there are problems to such systems, and I critique them to raise awareness and develop my own awareness of these problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/15 10:00 PM |
| 0 | Why is TBP opposed to the concept of a sexual market?Science is not the same as society. A scientist will use a person as an object to, for example, reach some conclusion about human behavior. That's fine. But when the person steps out of the experiment room, they are a full human again. RP are not scientists, they are people living in society. These numbers have no scientific meaning to them, nor can a person ever "step out" of the theoretical construct once its acceptance the way RPers use it is widespread. It is disingenuous to say, as the scie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/15 09:32 PM |
| 2 | If a woman is too afraid to say or answer no to certain sexual contact/acts, should she be having sex?Women are acutely made aware of their vulnerability in a way we men do not understand. To us, if the man did not do anything threatening and she feels threatened, she must be mentally ill. To her, the fear that she will become a "bad woman" (went home with a man) who ends up raped and left in a dumpster is heavily impressed into her mind. We as a society have a sort of morbid fascination for such cases. She knows she will be blamed if it happens, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/15 07:47 PM |
| 1 | If a woman is too afraid to say or answer no to certain sexual contact/acts, should she be having sex?What subreddits, specifically? Do you have a link? Not doubting, just curious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/15 07:42 PM |
| 1 | Men didn't learn RP because it's Dionysian, whereas 'society' is Apollonian.You're right, I was referring to the subject matter that is Dionysian. This seems to be always the case when discussing sexual attraction. I think RP's attempts to impose a framework on this (for example, rating people's attractiveness based on numbers) might be a weakness of their system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/15 05:43 PM |
| 2 | Something Weird I've Found With the Red Pill's Use of the Movie Fight Club.The point is, he had to go through AF to make that choice. I wrote about this requirement in The Stages of the Masculine Romancer and the meaning of Stage 3. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/15 04:30 AM |
| 3 | Something Weird I've Found With the Red Pill's Use of the Movie Fight Club.Fight Club is anti-RP the way Wall Street is anti-Gordon Gekko. Yes, the 'correct' interpretation is anti-RP, but it doesn't matter, because what makes the movie good is its depiction of RP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/15 03:48 AM |
| 1 | Thoughts on TRP and the "anger-phase"The only site you mentioned that is still active is mensuck.com. I looked at the site, and they have about 1 post per month. The most recent one, from October 13, appears to have only 54 views. All it is, is about getting banned by Facebook. This is the equivalent of about 1 shitpost in the TRP sub. I think you're setting up a false equivalency. You could have made a better argument by referring to r/TrollX here on reddit, or perhaps some tumblr bloggers. TrollX may not be a community for misand… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/15 03:31 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Obtaining a bride from a poor family is a good thingIn some poor countries there is a shortage of women, so by taking women out of the country, you're exacerbating the shortage. Now some poor man who has a worse life than you, has an even worse life than before, as not only does he have to live in a poor, shitty country, but you also took his woman. This is basically where I see the future going if unbridled polygyny is legalized. Male disposability will increase as women flock to the high status betas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 08:58 PM |
| 1 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?Asking for one is awkward if it's not standard, but you should be able to opt out. (The same with paternity tests. Men worry about it, but getting a test is an accusation.) Making it standard would set our minds more at ease. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 04:06 PM |
| 2 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?What lies did I tell myself to get upset at this post? I'm not upset about any message about women contained in the post, I'm upset at how boring it is. A sexist joke can still be good if it's funny. But if it stinks it just looks like bigotry. This post is like that. It doesn't surprise me to see certain kinds of content on TRP. But when it's so boring it offends me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 04:00 PM |
| -1 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?Aren't you a woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 03:53 PM |
| 2 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?I don't care if they post about social issues, but it seems that it would be a men's issue if he wasn't getting the alimony. But he is. Seems that it would actually be a demonstration of the equality of the alimony system. Basically the post is about a few anonymous facebook posts. I could troll facebook every day and come up with a few stupid comments that seem to target one demographic. It's not noteworthy. Personally my view of alimony is that prenups should be standard, so the higher earner … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 03:51 PM |
| 2 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?Dr. Nerdlove is boring. As are all the 'normal' subs. But I'm just venting. Yes, I need to start a different sub... maybe after I return from vacation in December. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 03:41 PM |
| 0 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?What about men who both want to get laid and like women? Where's the advice for us? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 03:28 PM |
| 1 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?That would be how it seems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 03:09 PM |
| 1 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?So you agree that it's male chauvinism? Why would people not be angry over that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 03:07 PM |
| 3 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?One celebrity's divorce & a few facebook comments is a "social issue" now? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 02:53 PM |
| 0 | Thoughts on TRP and the "anger-phase"Radfem hub appears to be a wordpress blog that has not posted since late 2012/early 2013. A far cry from a hopping subreddit with fresh new content every hour. Radical feminism is quite politically incorrect these days. They are considered transphobic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 02:52 PM |
| 2 | Women sexually incentivize/disincentivize certain behavior from men.... AndHuh? RP does't condone rape for chrissakes. They use psychological pressure, like telemarketers do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 02:55 AM |
| 2 | Women sexually incentivize/disincentivize certain behavior from men.... AndHave you ever been on a call with a telemarketer or interacting with a salesperson and told them no, and then they just keep on talking? It's high pressure sales. I used to think 'shit test' meant a literal test, like she's consciously or subconsciously testing your reaction. No. It's more of a test of the test-taker's willingness to keep pushing to the end. If she eventually gives in, then it was a 'shit test' regardless of what was going on in her mind at the beginning. Sometimes I think RP cl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 02:42 AM |
| 1 | PPD, would you participate in an AMA/debate with one of the gods of the manosphere?Neither. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 02:33 AM |
| 2 | Would you LTR a woman who "took one for the team" and serviced all of the "incel" or "beta" or "omega" men who were interested in her?Yeah, I would commit to her if I loved and respected her, and she loved and respected me. (Runs) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 02:26 AM |
| 2 | PPD, would you participate in an AMA/debate with one of the gods of the manosphere?I have never heard of most of these people, but if such an event were announced and I had the time, I would try to read up a little on their stuff and participate, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 02:05 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about non-RP/BP ideology?The usefulness is highly dubious. As far as I can tell, there are no studies showing that people who reference everyone by 1-10 do better at dating, and there's a casual relationship between the two. On the other hand, the problems intrinsic to the idea are clear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 08:45 PM |
| 3 | Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about non-RP/BP ideology?And how do you explain that you can get better? It's easy. Thousands of people have this "I need to get better to attract more girls" thought every day without reference to numbers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 08:34 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about non-RP/BP ideology?Watch this: Am I happy with how I life? Do I get what I want? "No I want to bang hotter girls" To bang hotter girls I need to get better, and raise my chances in this numbers game. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about non-RP/BP ideology?No, other people were defending the objectivity of a 1-10 scale by referring to goods and services traded on an economic market, and I was pointing out holes in their analogies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 08:03 PM |
| 5 | Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about non-RP/BP ideology?Yes, I know it was between two people. That further illustrates my point, because "9" can be extracted from what came before it, but not vice versa. So if your best friend came up to you tonight and told you he'd just gotten a ONS last night, you would prefer to know nothing about her and simply assume that whoever she was, it was someone of "similar value" to him, as opposed to getting the kind of description of the girl below? "That girl I banged last knight was a real babe, D tits, 5 ft 11 ta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 07:57 PM |
| 7 | Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about non-RP/BP ideology?Your first quote is a lot more informative than your second quote. It tells me about your taste, gives me a little visual of her, and allows me to judge where she stands in terms of conventional beauty for myself. And it just takes a few seconds more to express. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 07:47 PM |
| 9 | Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about non-RP/BP ideology?The two are not mutually exclusive. One can be both dehumanizing and useful at the same time. But while most people who use the SMV 1-10 scale think it's useful, very few seem to recognize how dehumanizing it is. It's thrown around like some harmless little sleight of hand, but it's one more step in the marketization and general dehumanization of our dating culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 07:22 PM |
| 5 | Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about non-RP/BP ideology?hypothetical representative values, such as "average height",or maybe "average net worth" Oh boy, this debate again. I'm happy to discuss this at any time-- you might have noticed that height and financial net worth are objective whereas value isn't. how do you negotiate a salary without "reducing yourself to a number"? There's definitely a dehumanizing aspect of a salary, and the labor force in general. The fact that you still remember this stuff after so long suggests that it made you uncomfor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 07:05 PM |
| 1 | CMV: In a ways, i kinda understand why women are the way they are. Giving women all sexual power at an early age is akin to giving a child a billion dollars.They were meant to illustrate a larger point ("striving and achievement are higher values in life and those cannot be handed to you"). Fair enough. But this is a separate question than "who has it harder, men or women." Let's keep a clear distinction since we're debating both. Getting interviews, getting your work seriously considered, getting promoted, getting favorable assignments, transferring to departments/offices/locales where you'd prefer to work, etc. are all as important as the work its… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 05:18 PM |
| 3 | Where am I supposed to think blue pillers are finding these red pillers?TRP was only explicitly mentioned once to me IRL, and it wasn't a guy I really respected. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 02:43 PM |
| 5 | Q4TBP: What do you think is the most frustrating thing about RP "philosophy?"A thinly veiled personal attack is still a personal attack. But whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 02:35 PM |
| 5 | Anyone judge men by their relationships with womenNo man, I don't judge other men under a standard that would make me a zero. And yes, this post upsets me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 01:38 PM |
| 2 | Holism vs. AtomismVery clear, I understand. Very nice discussion, overall. But either way, most people aren't celebrities, dating, marriage, and kids is a huge part of most people's lives if not the biggest It's a huge part of life no doubt, especially for those of us here on PPD, we're thinking about heavily or else we wouldn't be here. Hell I am the one who posted that Oscar Wilde quote "everything is about sex but sex". I am always advocating that dating should be taken as seriously in our society as politics,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 05:25 AM |
| 2 | Holism vs. AtomismYeah, I think the issue is RP exists in the context of sexual strategy, but there's more to life than sexual life. Is this also a BP concept? No, because collectivism means your duty is to the group. Ok, fair enough, but then how does holism/collectivism lead to individualistic expression? I can think of some collectivist societies where people were taught to act and think the same (and strive toward the same standards). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 05:07 AM |
| 6 | Do BP people understand what analogies are?Forget it /u/powerkick, it's PPD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 04:15 AM |
| 7 | "Mass shootings in the United States are on a dramatic rise. And men are almost always to blame." Could the problem be linked to a loss of masculinity in the US?The 70s was also when the NRA went nuts, and guns changed from something you go hunting with to something you enacted vigilante justice with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 03:48 AM |
| 3 | Holism vs. AtomismHmm, I still think a standard (such as "The Man" or the patriarch) requires universal accessibility, because that's what makes it a standard designed around majority success that everyone aspires to (the italicized all your words). Men aren't a majority of the population. I'll grant you it doesn't require equal accessibility, since individuals measure up to standards differently. But to have one standard for men and another for women is a problem. Overall very interesting. I still don't understa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 03:33 AM |
| 5 | Holism vs. AtomismSo it breaks down into individual expression again. Since what is accessible to everyone is different, everyone seeks a different goal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 02:59 AM |
| 6 | Holism vs. AtomismAren't your first two points above a contradiction, though? If "The Man" is inaccessible to me, I don't want to be "The Man". I want to be something else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 02:43 AM |
| 5 | Holism vs. AtomismThe issue with the RP standard template is that it's not accessible to everyone. The RP has two templates: one for men, and one for women. So if you're a woman, you can't be an alpha male, and if you're a man, you can't be a submissive housewife. So the RP paradigm is that it puts gender first, and everything else about a person second. But even if you're a man, the RP template doesn't seem like a possible template for unity, since (as some RPers here have admitted before) not every man can be a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 02:15 AM |
| 1 | Should there be a Red Pill site for Dark Triad women?Blue pill betas would be boring for these sociopathic women. If they're going to put in the effort they want to manipulate an RP man who thinks he's got the edge. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 01:59 AM |
| 1 | Do women in their 30s who are unable to get beta bucks commitment require covering up the causes for riding the CC to serve the female imperative?Link? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 01:59 AM |
| 2 | CMV: In a ways, i kinda understand why women are the way they are. Giving women all sexual power at an early age is akin to giving a child a billion dollars.I'm a little skeptical of it as the sponsoring organization has a clear motivation for potential bias If you prefer, here's another source from a non-women's organization that finds women with engineering degrees four years out of college earn less than their male counterparts. as it's a longer timeframe... if we're speaking more broadly about potentially inherent gender advantages I'd go with a broader study. The goalposts are shifting here, since my original point was that striving and achieve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/15 01:57 AM |
| 2 | CMV: In a ways, i kinda understand why women are the way they are. Giving women all sexual power at an early age is akin to giving a child a billion dollars.Source? This is an extremely specific claim. Page 14 of this report. There is some evidence that women engineers outearn men in the 20s, but this reverses itself to an even greater degree in the 30s and 40s. Here is my source for women out-earning men in the 20-30 year age bracket. Yeah but we're talking about women vs. men with engineering degrees specifically. Hence my source is more relevant than your source. (which is a common hurdle all young professionals face) Yes, but I pointed out two f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Do BP people understand what analogies are?This is the last time I trust a doctor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Do BP people understand what analogies are?I need /u/TheChemist158 to answer #7. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 04:31 PM |
| 2 | Should there be a Red Pill site for Dark Triad women?As long as they only interact with Red Pill dudes, sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Do women in their 30s who are unable to get beta bucks commitment require covering up the causes for riding the CC to serve the female imperative?Nah, I think it's because they think by keeping it secret, they can somehow earn more money. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 03:54 PM |
| 6 | Do women in their 30s who are unable to get beta bucks commitment require covering up the causes for riding the CC to serve the female imperative?It's funny how Okc releases a few graphs on a blog once to get hits and it becomes dating folklore for years. That company has such a huge gold mine of data that someone somewhere has access to, which would revolutionize all these discussions, but they won't share it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 03:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: In a ways, i kinda understand why women are the way they are. Giving women all sexual power at an early age is akin to giving a child a billion dollars.Nonsense. A woman with an engineering degree one year out of college graduation earns only 88% of what a man earns. Even when you compare men and women who graduated one year out of college with the same major, who attended the same type of institution and worked the same hours in the same job in the same economic sector, the man still earns more. Women have to work just as hard as men for equal engineering ability, but with the knowledge that they'll likely be paid less for it. This is a bigger… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 03:31 PM |
| 7 | Do women in their 30s who are unable to get beta bucks commitment require covering up the causes for riding the CC to serve the female imperative?Links to study that show women only sleep with top 10%? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 01:55 PM |
| 1 | TRP mistakenly applies male thinking to female behavior.You could see it that way, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 01:18 PM |
| 1 | TRP mistakenly applies male thinking to female behavior.Beta = willingness to provide, but average ability to provide. Alpha = superior ability to provide, but not necessarily willingness to. Pre-feminism, betas were fine because male privilege meant that average ability to provide was enough - he still provided enough extra value to the woman that she wanted/needed him. Now that women are earning their own money, almost as much as men, and have more legal rights, etc. the beta's average ability is no longer enough. Thus men strive to reach the alpha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 02:22 AM |
| 2 | TRP mistakenly applies male thinking to female behavior.all the benefits that are associated with high status have to do with providing capabilities All the benefits for women have to do with providing. The benefits for the man himself are whatever the fuck he wants to use his status for. Other qualities TRP categorizes as alpha - dominance, courage, strength, leadership - can also help a man provide for a woman, independent of status. A weak, cowardly, stupid monarch has the highest status in the nation, but he can't hold his status because he lacks… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 02:13 AM |
| 1 | The problem is that men are fooled about feminism and so called feministsEh, feminism wouldn't be much of a reform movement if it commanded a majority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 01:51 AM |
| 2 | TRP mistakenly applies male thinking to female behavior.How do you think high status men became high status? For most men, high status isn't something that's just handed to us. We achieve it by displaying certain qualities that elevate us above other men, and gives us a status above other men. Those qualities TRP would call alpha qualities. You are getting into a semantic battle here - what to you is a "high status beta" to TRP is "alpha bux", e.g. the ideal man, from a woman's point of view. But not necessarily the man's sexual strategy. The fact th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 01:17 AM |
| 1 | TRP mistakenly applies male thinking to female behavior.This post seems like female sexual strategy to me. Try to convince men that women are attracted to betas, so they'll become betas, and not alfalfas. Got you! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:48 AM |
| 2 | TRP mistakenly applies male thinking to female behavior.Wait, so the friendzone works?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Field Report: Your parents have found out that you read TRP and they have decided you are not allowed to have access to the source anymore or think like that anymore. HOw do you react?You shouldn't avoid life. But letting your parents run your life is avoiding life. Have they not been your authority for 23 years? If they were so smart, you wouldn't need them around by now. That's all I can really say about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:34 AM |
| 1 | Field Report: Your parents have found out that you read TRP and they have decided you are not allowed to have access to the source anymore or think like that anymore. HOw do you react?Try to convince your parents that you'll develop better if you're allowed to explore these things for yourself, and that you're entitled to that as an adult. And that if they always try to protect you from bad ideas it won't help you, because they can't protect you forever. You have a right to think what you want. And ask them to trust you that you are a decent person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:25 AM |
| 1 | Field Report: Your parents have found out that you read TRP and they have decided you are not allowed to have access to the source anymore or think like that anymore. HOw do you react?Exactly. There's a difference between selflessness and cowardice. The fact that he's even worried about this is a sign that it's not a real issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Field Report: Your parents have found out that you read TRP and they have decided you are not allowed to have access to the source anymore or think like that anymore. HOw do you react?Self-serving parental bullshit. You don't need to be protected man, you need to go out and experience life, learn to make your own mistakes, learn to be your own man. Even if you fail completely, it's far better than being a manchild under the umbrella of your parents forever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:19 AM |
| 2 | Field Report: Your parents have found out that you read TRP and they have decided you are not allowed to have access to the source anymore or think like that anymore. HOw do you react?Man, you have to get your parents to start treating you like an adult, or find some way to become independent of them. You'll feel so much better. Tbh, I do think medications/psychiatrist might help you more than reddit/the internet, but even more basic than that you need to take control of your own life by getting out of the shadow of your parents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:15 AM |
| 2 | Field Report: Your parents have found out that you read TRP and they have decided you are not allowed to have access to the source anymore or think like that anymore. HOw do you react?Well it certainly doesn't look that way from your post here. Let me guess - you live under "his roof" and therefore he controls Internet access? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:09 AM |
| 2 | Field Report: Your parents have found out that you read TRP and they have decided you are not allowed to have access to the source anymore or think like that anymore. HOw do you react?You're too old to let him be controlling you like that. They're going to have to treat you as an adult and accept the fact that they're not going to be able to control your life. Some parents will hold on forever if you don't break away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/15 12:03 AM |
| 2 | Field Report: Your parents have found out that you read TRP and they have decided you are not allowed to have access to the source anymore or think like that anymore. HOw do you react?How old are you? You don't have a smartphone? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 11:59 PM |
| 2 | CMV: In a ways, i kinda understand why women are the way they are. Giving women all sexual power at an early age is akin to giving a child a billion dollars.True, I agree. I was using rich and having everything handed to you interchangeably, but if you're rich and still challenge yourself through climbing and get better regularly, then that's something that wasn't handed to you, yes. But then, if you're an attractive woman and go out an earn an engineering degree where having nice tits isn't going to make a bridge stand up properly, then I think that falls outside the OP's analogy. She had to work just as hard to become a good engineer as anyone els… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 11:37 PM |
| 5 | CMV: In a ways, i kinda understand why women are the way they are. Giving women all sexual power at an early age is akin to giving a child a billion dollars.True, but that doesn't mean what I said is just world fallacy. It's human nature to need challenges in life, and people who are spoiled lack that. Rich people who end up living good lives find some way to achieve something that wasn't just handed to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 11:24 PM |
| 4 | The problem is that men are fooled about feminism and so called feministssome guys might have believed that all feminists were either obese, lesbians, or women who were against having sex. No, those are usually just ad hominems similar to when women call men insecure/basement dwellers or losers for expressing views they don't like. what do people imagine when they hear "feminist" Men accurately perceive an interest group that goes against their interests as men... and any honest feminist will own up to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 11:20 PM |
| 3 | CMV: In a ways, i kinda understand why women are the way they are. Giving women all sexual power at an early age is akin to giving a child a billion dollars.Tbf, people who are completely spoiled end up getting screwed in the end. They aren't able to ever appreciate what they have, they never learn whats its like to apply themselves and enjoy the reward of a real achievement, they never develop the character that comes from suffering, and they basically have nowhere to go but downhill after childhood or early youth. Yes it's better than being utterly poor and unable to escape that poverty, but the ideal would be a life transition where you start out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 09:56 PM |
| 3 | Are we headed towards matriarchy? What will it look like for women? For men?Bernie has a good chance. I would actually love Hillary vs Trump, partially because I don't think Trump is as big of an idiot as he makes himself out to be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 06:53 PM |
| 13 | CMV: In a ways, i kinda understand why women are the way they are. Giving women all sexual power at an early age is akin to giving a child a billion dollars.Damn, this place is unbalanced enough as it is. I can completely understand though, if I was a woman, reading PPD/TRP every day would fuck me up good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 06:51 PM |
| 1 | What's this sub's opinion on The Art of Manliness? How does one utilise RP/Manosphere theory to find a positive definition of masculinity free from the feminine imperative, when TRP plate spinning is founded upon a frat-bro PUA adolescence?Good post, man. What is masculinity has got me thinking a lot in the past month or so. Right now here's what I'm thinking. Acceptance of amorality / self-accountability The two elements of freedom, which are strength and courage (or more broadly, self-integration; my depression would fall into here) Other values. Number 3 is just a blank filler, whereas #1 and #2 are just pointers towards freedom/responsibility. The problem with so many definitions of masculinity is that they're too specific: th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 04:59 PM |
| 1 | What's this sub's opinion on The Art of Manliness? How does one utilise RP/Manosphere theory to find a positive definition of masculinity free from the feminine imperative, when TRP plate spinning is founded upon a frat-bro PUA adolescence?No, adults are just better at hiding it. Some do get humbled by being beat down yes, but I think cruel children express our truer nature sometimes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 04:51 PM |
| 2 | redpillers: if women made more effort, would that change your views on commitment?Sounds like you had some pretty terrible experiences dude, I'm sorry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 04:26 PM |
| 0 | On r/thebluepill there's a post about a TRP endorsed contributer who "saw the light" and left TRP. Do you believe it?No, I really don't care. If it turns out to be a troll this whole thing will have just been funny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 04:08 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The lie that women shame "alpha males"Basically you could say the whole thing was a giant shit test. If he had kept the hair, the clothes, the bike, etc. he would have passed. Since he failed, she left. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 04:05 PM |
| 1 | On r/thebluepill there's a post about a TRP endorsed contributer who "saw the light" and left TRP. Do you believe it?If true, it sounds like this guy is transitioning from the Aloneness stage to Freedom/Responsibility. Him reaching out to his sister suggests he is confronting his own agency and power to choose TRP or an alternate path to self-improvement, and he recognizes the problems with TRP. The fact that he is confronting this stuff at what seems like such a young age is a good sign for his future development into a self-integrated adult at peace with his decisions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Are we headed towards matriarchy? What will it look like for women? For men?Ha ha, Hillary has been projected to win many times before and she never does. I wouldn't be counting anything for her unless it actually happened. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/15 01:31 PM |
| 2 | PUA scammer exposed online using modes: Does PUA actually work?I bet a lot of it is the placebo effect. The main thing is that the guy got out of his house/apartment/condo whatever, went out and met girls consistently, and tried to get them into bed. During the 7 year dry spell he was probably doing that almost never. On top of that any 'technique' is going to be 20% at best, 80% will be effort and intent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 09:07 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Slut Shaming Doesn't Exist, and Future Can Be Judged From the Pastin which you now make enough money to entice her Well yeah, if she's a gold digger than it sucks. I don't think anyone's disputing that. If she had a clear type and than she meets you are you are nothing like any of her ex's than its time to start questioning whether or not this woman is interested in you for YOU or for what you can provide to her. That does seem like a red flag, but it depends on the individual case. I know of some conservative Asians who want their kids to be the same kind of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 07:52 PM |
| 11 | CMV: Slut Shaming Doesn't Exist, and Future Can Be Judged From the PastThere was a recent askmen thread by a 23 yo woman who had 60+ sexual partners. One guy came in and said he wouldn't date her because she'd been rejected 60 times. It turns out only two of them rejected her for commitment, the majority were one night stands, or she rejected them, or she moved away. Out of the non one night stands, she had rejected four times as many men for commitment, as she had been rejected. So yeah, if a woman like that picked me, I'd feel pretty special, and higher value tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 07:42 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Slut Shaming Doesn't Exist, and Future Can Be Judged From the PastAre you saying she's still in love with a man from her past? This sort of assumes that sluts are looking for commitment from every man they fuck, which is the opposite of what I'd expect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 07:10 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Slut Shaming Doesn't Exist, and Future Can Be Judged From the PastI can only say I'm not conventionally attractive. I'd rather not use the 1-10 scale I have some major issues with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 06:46 PM |
| 10 | CMV: Slut Shaming Doesn't Exist, and Future Can Be Judged From the PastHere I am in the minority again, I will confess that I would actually prefer to date promiscuous women. And I have no problem admitting that I am an outlier among men, and most men would have the opposite preference. But when I see other men trying to justify this with logic, it just falls down flat. How can she be attracted to me when she dated so many cads? Why did she give more sex to them when they treated her like shit than me when I treat her like an equal? These will gnaw at your relation… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 06:40 PM |
| 1 | If women had the libidos of men we would be less picky.The poor give more to charity than the rich. Perhaps when she said "good family backgrounds" she meant families on food stamps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 05:39 PM |
| 1 | If women had the libidos of men we would be less picky.That's not what you said... You said their looks and status "build into" their character, not their fucking charity work. Guess what.. Ugly people and people not from "good family backgrounds" do charity work too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 05:21 PM |
| 1 | If women had the libidos of men we would be less picky.That doesn't mean their privileges built their good character, just that they can use it to express their preexisting character. You are ascribing good traits to people just because they make your vag wet. Another example of beauty privilege. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 05:14 PM |
| 7 | Discussion for both pills: Marriage in 50 years.Marriage is indeed going downhill, but it won't completely disappear. The rising age of first marriage does have bearing on the marriage rate if you're looking at only people coming of age now, since those people are going to be within a limited age range. Also, these statistics always seem to exclude common-law marriage, cohabitation and others in stable, long-term monogamous relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 05:11 PM |
| 2 | How to reconcile conflicting BP/feminist perceptions regarding RP and "patriarchy"?The first. You've projected a complex position based on a simple statement of fact and are now attacking the projection. Was it built of straw? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 04:56 PM |
| 1 | How to reconcile conflicting BP/feminist perceptions regarding RP and "patriarchy"?No, your just misrepresenting the comment you linked. It was just a statement of fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 04:47 PM |
| 2 | If women had the libidos of men we would be less picky.So by this logic, since whites have it easier than blacks, whites have better moral character than blacks... men have better moral character than women... the rich have the best moral character over everyone. Ever heard of the phrase "power corrupts"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 04:38 PM |
| 3 | If women had the libidos of men we would be less picky.As Chad reaches for her panties, LMR kicks in. "Place your credit report on the counter, hot stuff." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 04:35 PM |
| 6 | What is your take on this guy's dating strategy?Everyone faces death alone; it doesn't matter how many progeny you have surrounding you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/15 04:06 AM |
| 3 | Do men value sex more highly than other aspects of relationships, and to what degree? If so, how aware are women of this?Huh, doesn't this go against what you said about gay relationships, though? If their survivability is mostly about whether there are emotions involved, and your argument is that gay psychology generalizes to men's psychology, then we should consider emotional infidelity more important. And also, I realize this contradicts what I said earlier, but it seems that sexual infidelity implies a certain level of emotional infidelity. But it's still this latter part that is bothersome. The way to think o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 11:28 PM |
| 3 | Do men value sex more highly than other aspects of relationships, and to what degree? If so, how aware are women of this?I mean, part of it is the assumption that emotional cheating comes with sexual cheating inevitably (unless there is some physical impediment), but not vice versa. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 10:12 PM |
| 6 | Do men value sex more highly than other aspects of relationships, and to what degree? If so, how aware are women of this?No, I would view emotional cheating as worse. There are thousands of women I want to have sex with, but if I'm in a relationship, then it's with one person for the emotional reasons, which are only unique that person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 10:09 PM |
| 0 | Wedding single mothers the Alpha wayHa ha, good one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Wedding single mothers the Alpha wayIt could be alpha if you are trying to fuck over the dad. Like, he was a business rival who fucked you over early in your career in a really bad, bad, bad nasty way. So basically, you engineer a split between him and his wife and marry her, ruin him financially, and take his kids too. You send his son to the school you want him to go to, give him the education and life you want him to have, basically make the other guy look like the dad in Bicycle Thieves. So not only do you take his wife, but y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 07:47 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?I tried CBT and a couple of medications years ago with no impact, and due to the cost, time, and ineffectiveness I haven't gone back. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Do men feel insecure about penis size because of women or because of themselves?Isn't most stimulation at the clitoris though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 07:01 PM |
| 1 | The Stages Levels of the Masculine RomancerPrecisely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 06:46 PM |
| 1 | The Stages Levels of the Masculine RomancerThe freedom is what makes it a real choice. Yes, exactly- spot on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 05:34 PM |
| 0 | The Stages Levels of the Masculine RomancerYes, it is possible to be a PUA and a Level 3 Masculine Romancer. Read the last two paragraphs of that section; Level 3 doesn't imply any choice. It merely means acceptance that the outcome does not determine your action. The stage is extremely hard to reach; no doubt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/15 12:00 AM |
| 2 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?Thanks man, I'll check it out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 11:41 PM |
| 2 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?The idea is to spot the illusion, so that it becomes nothing. But isn't that an act, also? /u/Ocean_Squeeze, 90% of your argument at this point just sounds like epistemological idealism, which is really more of a philosophical point and not so much a psychological one. Basically, I don't see how it matters one way or another what position you take on it, from the standpoint of depression. When I was an idealist, I was still depressed. The Russell book is available on the Gutenberg project. The r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 10:53 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?Which part is the illusion? What is the illusion and what is the reality? Well yes, I am saying if I completely went by your viewpoint, I would still be miserable. Are you saying otherwise? The idea that "who I am" has already been determined, again, has a certain truth to it, but is unsatisfactory. To say that "I am always me" seems trivial. Of course I am always me. But at the same time, the content of 'me' is always up for determination. Which is why, I'm not complete. I'm never complete... I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 10:02 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?I have a friend who thinks somewhat like this but, here is the problem- by this view, I am at war with myself. It's just a different way of looking at the same thing, and I won't say you're wrong but- it doesn't change anything. I am the same after accepting your viewpoint as I was before it. What I want, and why I hold onto the ego I guess, is freedom. I want to be able to determine who I am and what I want to be, and that requires things like self control, courage, and overcoming my depression… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 08:45 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Dating a sex worker isn't bad or wrong. Even if she gives prostate massages.Most attractive sex workers aren't hurting for men who will be with them; and if they are, they certainly aren't dipping into the incel pool. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 08:02 PM |
| 1 | For women, physical dimorphism correlates social dimorphism, but for men the oppositeNeither meaning, I mean sexual objectification, and by that I ascribe to the definition put forward by Martha Nussbaum. You can find it on the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 07:30 PM |
| 2 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)Yeah, Americans are really uptight. Aiite, this girl is a little ignorant but who cares. Her heart is in the right place by all accounts so far. That's more than can be said about most people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 07:27 PM |
| 2 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?Ok, fair enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 07:07 PM |
| 2 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?Ok, thanks. It sounded like you were trying to make some intellectual argument that working out is good and I'll feel better afterwards. I know that already believe me... Just because I'm depressed doesn't mean I'm stupid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 07:05 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?I mean if you could somehow change this reality for me, it would be life saving and I would really pay you a great deal of money, if you wanted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 07:01 PM |
| 3 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?You misunderstand the nature of depression. If I went to the gym today, then almost by definition my depression will have lifted. Being depressed is functionally no different having actual physical guards come and chain you to your bed- only those guards, instead of being outside, are chemicals inside my head. On my worst depression days, I might as well be in a literal prison. Merely wanting things to be different does not make them different. It is like self control, running a marathon, or hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 06:57 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?Thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 06:36 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?Thanks. The fact that you dated 5'4/5'5 gives me hope, since that is my height. I've done about a year of Krav Maga and I think I'll go back to that when this depression lifts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 06:22 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?Oh gosh. Untitled I actually did read and I still don't like it because it seems more like an overlong rant against feminism than an attempt to address any real issue. Radicalizing the Romanceless has exactly the same analogy I made, and takes it further. The author makes a lot of excellent points and seems like a very compassionate human being. Then again, I know what my old feminist self would have said about it, which (if I'm reading it right) is that it just recapitulates the same old Nice G… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 06:14 PM |
| 3 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?Most 5'3 girls still want 6'1 guys. If anything, in my experience tall girls are more open minded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 05:31 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?I feel the kind of woman I'm attracted to would not want me regardless of what I did. There will always be a 6'2 guy with brown hair and six o clock shadow interested in her. I can't tower over her; I can't make her feel petite and feminine; I can pick her up and wrap her in my body like a blanket; I can't look like those men in the ideal male body thread. Those are things that lifting, dressing up and learning "skills" will never fix. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 05:05 PM |
| 1 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?I don't know, when he was first becoming popular I was still a pretty hardcore SJW "feminist", so I saw him as an adversary... I'll have to go back and try to find that post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 04:52 PM |
| 5 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?The fact that sex is agreed between two people is precisely why a person can be involuntarily celibate though; if a man could get sex with anyone without consent, then the idea of being involuntarily without sex would be a contradiction. It's the recognition of the other person agency that makes you involuntary. I feel like this entitlement charge is really a form of victim blaming. Arguing for an entitlement to sex is tantamount to arguing for the legitimacy of rape, so when incels get this lab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 04:48 PM |
| 3 | What are common physical or emotional traits among incels?I mean, if you're celibate and you're frustrated about that status, it sort of assumes that you should be in a relationship. Because otherwise, why be unhappy about it? I think of it as being unemployed. No one is entitled to a job. But it's generally assumed that those who are unemployed are involuntarily so; when such people express frustration, they're not blamed for having a sense of entitlement; rather, it's implicitly assumed that money is something it's okay to want. So why isn't social c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 04:41 PM |
| 1 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?That's not an IDGAF story, though; that's an "IGSMOAF I was about to cry, but then my friends saved me" story. P.S. No one ever shows up for my birthdays. I have never even given it a second thought till now. It's this sort of thing that reminds us incels that you women live in a different world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 04:02 PM |
| 7 | Can flatulence be misogynistic?Yeah it's totally misogynistic. The lightning bolts of patriarchy coming out of your folds is triggering the girl in the corner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 02:49 AM |
| 2 | Where does TRP get the idea the non-RP world's advice is "just be yourself"I thought I heard this a couple times seriously over 10 years ago, but recently I've only seen it used as a negative example or satire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 01:52 AM |
| 0 | Red Pill: Do you believe feminism is just a giant shit test? If yes, how so?Poor people are more vulnerable because they are poor, not because they are men or women per se. Feminism makes more sense in rich societies, because the process of wealth creation also creates inequality, and among these is gender inequality. Hence why rich societies basically invented feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 01:12 AM |
| 4 | Red Pill: Do you believe feminism is just a giant shit test? If yes, how so?Poor men are often more vulnerable than poor women. Violence, crime, police brutality, homelessness, dangerous manual labor jobs, more likely to go into the military, etc. The gender wage gap literally is larger the richer you get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 01:08 AM |
| -1 | Red Pill: Do you believe feminism is just a giant shit test? If yes, how so?Feminism isn't needed in a poor society because there is, by definition, less to fight over. Even in our societies, male privilege is much more pronounced in the upper classes than in the lower classes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/15 01:02 AM |
| 1 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)If you want to say race was unimportant for you personally, obviously that's your prerogative. Just don't try to take your personal perspective and try to generalize it into something for all nonwhites minorities. It certainly doesn't apply for me. And if you want to look at empirical data, there's plenty of statistics to back up the fact that racial disparities exist at an aggregate level, affecting major parts of the average minority person's life. These realities don't just exist in people's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 10:38 PM |
| 1 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)TRP is not exactly what I'd call a politically correct place. I didn't see the ban either; the mods at PPD brought it up to justify the parallel ban here (which is fine by me). But it suggests TRP could not have productive discussions about race, which tells me something about TRP. I never told you to attribute any particular rejection to race; you're the one who brought that up. I just said it's a big factor that shapes my life, and shapes how people see me. Obviously that extends more than to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 10:10 PM |
| 2 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)There's no reason to assume anything is because of race, but it's a facet of who we are as much as gender or height or any number of other features, so why deny it? To try to pretend that it doesn't exist or that it had no impact on our lives, at least for most nonwhites would just be disingenuous. So I have no problem acknowledging it. That doesn't mean I go around everywhere trying to find a racial angle. But in not going to run and hide from it either, make sense? May I ask btw, why did TRP b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 09:47 PM |
| 1 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)That's your choice. You can choose to disregard it. You can't choose how others react to you when you look visibly different than the majority in the street. You can't erase from your mind the knowledge that people do react to you differently, even if you try. IMO you're deeply involved in a movement that is dominated by white men, so it's a good strategy for you to think like you do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 09:27 PM |
| 2 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)It's not a minuscule part of who I am. It filters every experience I have, and every experience others have of me (except online, if I don't identify). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 09:13 PM |
| 3 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)Lots of reasons. People who participate in bad faith. People who are more interested in scoring points and status in the community than working to achieve the supposed goal. People with axes to grind and chips on their shoulders. People who can't disagree civilly. People who look down on those who don't have degrees in whateveryouracademicfieldis. People who get jealous really, really easily. People who are ignorant. People who just hate each other. Basically you set up a system where only one k… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 09:08 PM |
| 2 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)There's nothing extra valuable about being a minority. But in Western countries all nonwhite minorities have to deal with being minorities and I think there is some common condition there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 09:00 PM |
| 1 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)That's how all social justice lingo sounds until you've been inculcated into their culture. Tbf same with TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 08:48 PM |
| 1 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)POC includes all nonwhites. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 08:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV: White privilege is a real thing (Video Discussion)Also Jon uses the term POC and receives applause. How come when I say "colored people" PPD laughs and calls me a troll. Because he's white. Serious answer: "colored people" and POC are so different. I got laughed at by a SJW for using the former. You gotta use the correct terminology if you wanna be hip. Thanks for reminding me of my toxic SJW past and why I'm so glad I got out of there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 08:35 PM |
| 2 | Does BP have any advice/suggestions on how to succeed with women?Yes, the implicit assumption in TBP prioritizing of empathetic virtues is that people who aren't doing well must be failing because of some lack of empathetic virtue. TBP tends to make very insulting assumptions. TRP just straight up says it's because we don't have Looks Money Status, which is actually a lot more respectful. I like it because it admits that success isn't some reward for moral virtue or being a good person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 06:25 PM |
| 1 | How do you have "good" sex?Just be yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 06:20 PM |
| 4 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?One anecdote followed by some idle speculation doesn't contradict broad social data that show women at all ages, on average, orgasm less frequently, masturbate less, visit sex workers far less frequently, respond far less frequently to online dating sites, have an easier timer getting sex, are catcalled more than they catcall, and so on, etc. than men. Dress code occurs according to social norms; it has nothing to do with wanting sex. If anything it's further proof that men want sex more, since … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 06:18 PM |
| 7 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?How much evidence do you need? Is there anything that could convince you? Women aren't shamed for masturbating. They have no real incentive to lie to a university researcher about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 06:11 PM |
| 6 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?Going around naked has nothing to do with wanting to bang. Here's another graphic I found. Women masturbate less frequently at all ages. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 06:04 PM |
| 2 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?Web MD disagrees with you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 06:00 PM |
| 7 | Discuss: Describe the perfect alpha27 years old; a brilliant self-made billionaire, he is successful, charming, and breathtakingly handsome. He has exceptional skills and excels almost anything he sets his sights on: He's a hugely successful business man; he's a trained pilot and flies his own helicopter, Charlie Tango; is a glider plane pilot; and is an astounding piano player; and he speaks fluent French. But he has a "dark side": he secretly practices BDSM and he also harbors a painful secret about his very difficult start in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 05:47 PM |
| 6 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?Then why don't women frequent sex workers? Why do women seem to orgasm less during sex, and sometimes reach advanced ages without ever having orgasm? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 05:40 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The repulsion straight men feel when thinking of men sexually is similar to the repulsion women feel when thinking of fucking a man they are sexually repulsed by.So the whole point of this post is "my vag dries up, convince me otherwise"? Ha ha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 05:32 PM |
| 1 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?I can't say from personal experience I've ever gotten much empathy from women on the dating issue, no. Just a lot of lecturing on what I'm not "entitled" to. I would say the benefit of assuming it's not coming your way is that you won't have false hopes or expectations. The cost is if your mindset becomes too closed off, you'll too quickly dismiss contradictory evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 05:23 PM |
| 1 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?The only one who could possibly give you unconditional empathy is the same person who loves you so much they would take a bullet for you. Or God, if you're religious. It's useless to think about this in terms of women in general or men in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 05:15 PM |
| 6 | What are the benefits of assuming that the average woman cannot sympathise or empathise with the male condition, given that society provides no incentive for women to do so? What, if any, disadvantages are there to this?The root of the problem is that men want sex more than women. We used to be able to use our social power to lay claim to a woman regardless, but now that womens social power is similar to ours, we are left with more desire but not enough to offer. So we gotta, go on TRP and prance around like peacocks, adopting every behavior that we think will even the score. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 04:58 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The repulsion straight men feel when thinking of men sexually is similar to the repulsion women feel when thinking of fucking a man they are sexually repulsed by.If a woman can only get ONS, then yes I'd consider her incel, even though she can get sex. However most women who can get sex can also get something more than sex, as there are a lot of desperate betas out there who will start a relationship with her. However, she's not attracted to these desperate betas. Hence, it's more a case of her standards than actual incelism, than is the case for the average incel guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 04:30 PM |
| 4 | Top posts of TwoXChromosomes categorizedExcellent. So the main difference I'm getting is that 32% of the TRP posts are revenge and only 12% (18% weighted) of TwoX are, and of those 18% they are all about a woman getting raped by a Middle Eastern guy. No personal vindictiveness posts against Western men. More on broad impersonal political issues. Then again TwoX isn't exactly the mirror image of TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 01:47 PM |
| 1 | If your daughter had fantasies about having sex with two or more men, and wanted to try it out IRL, what would be your response to her?Why is that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 01:56 AM |
| 1 | If your daughter had fantasies about having sex with two or more men, and wanted to try it out IRL, what would be your response to her?I'd say go for it, be safe, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 01:55 AM |
| 3 | Q for RP: Do these comments sound sociopathic to y'all? And is that okay with y'all?Does this guy even says if he's charming around men he doesn't like? Probably fucking not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 01:50 AM |
| 2 | You gave 2 choices. A) Your parents choose, force you to date and sleep with, someone you are not physically attracted to. B) You die a lonely virgin. Which do you choose?18x India's per capita income. The equivalent in the U.S. would be about $1 million. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 01:46 AM |
| 1 | Should we forcibly pressure beta males into seemingly changing their sexual preferences and expressing interest when they're not?Exactly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 12:58 AM |
| 3 | Can the Blue Pill consider itself the dominant ideology given the massive disparity in subscribers compared to TRP?SJW is a marginal ideology. TBP is a derivative of TRP that revolves around it. It would be weird if a derivative was bigger than the original. The actual non TRP is bigger, obviously. But that's not saying much. The non anything is bigger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 12:43 AM |
| 1 | Myth busting red pill attitude towards marriage and LTRsTrue, I'm not trying to compare experiences, just add another perspective. Interracial marriages do have higher divorce rates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 11:43 PM |
| 6 | Myth busting red pill attitude towards marriage and LTRsMy parents are both Chinese and I only have a 2% chance of marrying another Chinese-American unless I specifically went for a Chinese-American girl (many of them seem to prefer white dudes), so there is no healthy model of what my future hypothetical marriage would be, either. There would be significant cultural barriers between the families to overcome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 11:17 PM |
| 1 | Myth busting red pill attitude towards marriage and LTRsLet's not forget most the elite alpha males of the modern world did not live in solitude. They were married, divorced, LTR, defacto, all of the above. The elite alpha males didn't really have to pay the costs of marriage through commitment to domestic life, or fidelity for that matter. Sure, if you get a submissive wife who does everything for you and you can successfully deceive when you want, then it's a good deal. But then I'd say you're a shitty human being. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 10:57 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.Yes, that makes a lot more sense, actually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 09:39 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.That's not value, that's an arbitrary metric that you picked, which you, /u/nomdplume, have ascribed value to. Brad Pitt has more choices than most married men, but their wives would generally ascribe higher value to their husbands than Brad Pitt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 09:39 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.Nobody likes a moving target. It doesn't make sense to leave out the more important half of your argument and assume that we... guess what it is? Yes, I should have included it in my OP. That said, I mentioned it fairly early in the discussion, a few hours ago. And it's not really a moving target because the old target is still there. Both objections still stand. Men have sorted women by attractiveness probably since prehistory Yes, they have sorted them... sorted them differently. As I said in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 08:57 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.The concept of "market value" is meaningless because only individuals prescribe value. Markets aren't subjective, conscious beings so there is no such thing as value in relation to a market. Things only have value to individual humans. Individual value varies. Yes, it is true that in the aggregate, some people will be much more valued by more people than others, but to look at the aggregate ignores the fact that it is ultimately individual value that matters. The implicit assumption is that ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 08:50 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.No, I'm making both arguments. It both doesn't make sense and is immoral. /u/drok007 at least tried to solve the first part with the fiat-drok scale, but that still doesn't solve the second part (which tbf I didn't include in the OP, but it's actually the bigger problem). Humanizing and feelings are for people who don't want to get stuff done. Subsuming the individual to systematization does help the system be more effective, but at the cost of individual human experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 08:34 PM |
| 3 | The SMV rating system is flawed.This would make sense if SMV referred to a service, like sex or validation. But SMV is used to refer to people. You don't say "she gave me SMV 7 sex", you say "she is SMV 7." The former usage I think would have a lot fewer problems. In that case it would be a rating system like reviews or judges rating gymnastics performances, which other people mentioned in the thread. But rating people with a number suggests that people are the good at hand, and not "these things." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 07:13 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.Then why is it called SMV? The V doesn't stand for Value? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 07:09 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.The tool does more harm than good. The better tool is to stop being lazy. Does redpill teach laziness in other areas of life? Then don't teach laziness in your evaluations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 06:52 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.The fact that an SMV 6 is a higher number than SMV 5 doesn't indicate that the SMV 6 is higher value? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 06:49 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.Nope, I'm not confused. Yes, there is no such thing as true market value. Markets don't determine value. When people colloquially talk about "market value" what they really mean to refer to is price. And it only makes sense because price is quoted in a unit of exchange. My 500 shares of Facebook stock is worthless to me if I can never sell it for dollars, and use those dollars to purchase something that I think is actually worth value for me, like a vacation or a new car. What has value is diffe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 05:29 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.You don't see how reducing human beings to a number is objectifying, and thus dehumanizing? You employer doesn't care about you as a human being, only as a producer. Now you want to change private and family relations to the same basis? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 04:57 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.The market analogy is absurd. In a market there's no such thing as true underlying value. There's only market price. The price is determined in currency, whose fundamental property is that it's s unit of exchange. I already said people can't be exchanged, so your analogy breaks down at the most fundamental level. If you want to talk about value, you'll have to come up with a different analogy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 04:52 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.No it's not. If you want to be completely technical about it, in the market clearing (economic) model, no one ever has any value. The value of every employee is zero, since their marginal cost is equal to their marginal benefit. The net profit possible in such a system is zero. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 04:20 PM |
| 3 | The SMV rating system is flawed.I mean, I could also consider the case where a giant meteor is spiraling towards the earth and will wipe us out in 5 days. So what? I am interested in present reality, not hypothetical cases. The fact that someone is harder to get by itself does not necessarily make them higher value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 04:12 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.In a labor/service market, the wage represents price, not value. The goal of HR isn't to find the employee who commands the highest wage. HR managers don't sit around talking "Hey, I wish we could get that $1 million/year dude." It's to find the employee that delivers the greatest value. They say, "Hey, we need a person with X and Y and Z skills." Heck, their value is higher if they ask a lower wage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 04:08 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.I would say, communicate using words how you feel about two girls you are comparing. The result will likely provide more information than just "a 4" or a "a 7". Would you compare cars this way if you were asking to a friend which one to buy? No, you would describe the advantages and disadvantages each one has. One has four-wheel drive, and this is important because you live in an area with heavy snowfall. On the other hand, it's stick, and your wife doesn't drive stick. The other one is in a dif… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 03:46 PM |
| 1 | The SMV rating system is flawed.Resell value is critical to the market analogy. It's what makes a $50,000 tulip really worth a $50,000, regardless of "true value". Without resell value there is no objective. That is the point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 03:42 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.Wasn't there a graphic making the rounds at some point that had photos of women who were "1's", "2s's", ... "10's" etc.? Every time someone criticizes the concept, the defenders come out and try to twist it around into something more nuanced, but most people don't see it this way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 03:38 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.You might not be interested, sure, but in order to get Sally's attention you're going to need to be higher quality than if she were a 5 Why would I want to get her attention if I'm not interested? You're saying I could legitimately prefer a 7 over a 10? I've never seen someone use the system like this... saying they would prefer a lower SMV person. It undermines the whole rationale for the system. Edit: Also, if it's solely about the number of people after her, then Helen of Troy would be the hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 03:26 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.This doesn't solve the problem... see my reply to /u/TheGreasyPole | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 03:23 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.Gymnastics events are far more scientific. Those have predetermined technical feats and rules that the contestants know about beforehand. If it was entirely subjective, the sport would lose its legitimacy, because Jimmy's 6 year old daughter doing a couple backflips would be legitimately equal to an Olympian as long as Jimmy was equally as impressed with his daughter. Not the same for attraction. If you are attracted to someone, it is legitimate, even if the object of your attraction falls outsi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 03:21 PM |
| 2 | The SMV rating system is flawed.Except someone who would not pay $300k for a 458 Italia, would still find a 458 Italia worth $300k because they could sell it for that much. However, if 75% of men find Sally a 10, she's still not worth 10 to me if I only find her a 7 because I can't trade her in for my 10, even if she were my girlfriend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 03:15 PM |
| 3 | The SMV rating system is flawed.There are ideological assumptions embedded into it. For example as /u/LimboLoves states, it's "biologically driven". Also, the idea that it's an objective scale same to everyone (which is the assumption when that level of precision is broadly communicated). Also, the idea that people's sexual value is based on physical characteristics independent of social context (since those are more likely to make sense in a 1-10 scale). Also, the idea that a person's sexual value can be quantified. All very … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 03:09 PM |
| 5 | Are insecure women better than secure women?Girls who have already made a decision will still ask for validation from others. They are socialized to be very sensitive to approval from others at all times. This seems to be what your GF is doing. Yes it looks the same as insecurity, but it's more a function of gendered behavior than individual traits, IMO. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/15 02:50 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Social Media Promotes Bad Behavior in WomenWell won't they find out the truth in the real world then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/15 05:50 PM |
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