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2	Women are inherently predispositioned to utilizing men in a uni-directional transactional nature in female to male friendships - and this is the reason why most male to female friendships do not have implied loyalty - a hallmark of male to male friendships. Okay but that kinda wasn't my point	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/24 02:11 PM
3	Women are inherently predispositioned to utilizing men in a uni-directional transactional nature in female to male friendships - and this is the reason why most male to female friendships do not have implied loyalty - a hallmark of male to male friendships. There's something called matching energy. It's how you connect with people, or identify if they're connecting to you. This woman went out of her way to ask YOU something. To involve YOU. She may have been looking for genuine friendship or she may have had 😏 other interests. Next time you speak to someone ask yourself why would they be doing this? What are they projecting through their behaviour? What is the reason they have for coming to me? It's an attempt to understand the world from their per…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/24 12:20 AM
1	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Yeah I phrased the black pill ideals as "idiots here" which was maybe a bit confusing as I called out red pillers prior I mostly agree with you. I think it's both blue and red pillers that make this mistake. Basically a lot of people here do not even know what the red pill is and dismiss it under false pretenses. I've honestly argued with blue pillers who agreed with every red pill thing I give them and then describe their husband as if he was a caricature of a red piller. It's honestly so hilar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/24 11:56 PM
1	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Well if it helps you at all the red pill is supposed to be an optimistic view on this fact of human nature. The red pill is all about looks, status, game being in your control. Unfortunately this is glossed over by blue pillers here who do not know what the red pill is , and many idiots who conflate black pill doomer ideologies with the red pill. The red pill says you can be more physically attractive and this is what is attractive be better. You can have more status this is what is attractive a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/24 10:49 PM
1	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Yes I have a feeling that eastern Europe keeps killing their males to be a net exporter of women	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/24 10:46 PM
2	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. And how old are you and how has that been working for you? In psychology what I said is called the power of choice. Instead of choosing to be the best version of yourself you think that staying how you are now is more virtuous. In fact you are just coping. It's difficult to realize you need to change and it's difficult to acknowledge who you are now is not good enough. But once you acknowledge this and accept that men are valued for how attractive they are physically - how strong you are matters…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/24 05:36 PM
1	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Okay you just put an essay out for no reason. Read my first comment again. I already said what you said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/24 08:11 AM
1	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Which I said in my comment	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/24 02:50 AM
1	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. It is 80. What you aren't considering is that there are many men who had multiple while 60 percent had none.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/24 01:20 AM
1	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. 60 percent of men leaves 40 percent who failed which is half of women at 80. Can you math?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/24 12:01 AM
2	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. Changes the idea of just be yourself hey? If just be yourself leads to 60 percent of men not getting the opportunity to mate it's not very good advice 🤣	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/24 12:01 AM
1	Studies consistently show that women do not all perceive the same type of men as physically attractive, that a high majority of women prefer long term relationships and that a man’s social status/abilities and economic security are far more important than his looks You are confusing the relative weight being high for status and income with lowering physical attractiveness standards. Women's desire for wealth and status can go up for long term when compared to looks, and also looks can matter more. This is because womens standards go up across the board for LTR. They care less about looks when compared to money for long term, but for long term they care about looks more than short term. All her standards go up. You are basically misattributing the findings …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 12:07 AM
-1	I can’t understand the mindset of gay men Honestly I agree with you man. All the gay men who came out gay when I was growing up were just undesired. I think other gay men and being gay became an outlet for them to exercise their sexual desires without being judged. Women seem like princesses and you wouldn't ever tell a princess you wanna lay her down and ravage her so they were shut in nice guys. But with the Boys they could be themselves, sexual, etc. and so they felt heard with the gays and became gay. Basically they just gave up com…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/24 12:04 AM
–	Modern Women Are Incapable of Accountability Every woman I have dated has been a codependent anxious mess that I had to fix through hundreds upon hundreds of hours of lectures on mental health training, emotion handling, self awareness, emotional intelligence. You have to undo the Disney programming, set proper boundaries, and teach them how to be an adult. It's honestly exhausting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 11:59 PM
1	Red Pill has ruined the current dating and marriage scene. Just because people think the red pill is not well defined (such as yourself and admittedly lots of the people here) does not mean the red pill is actually not well defined. Again you are attributing the behaviors of people to the thing that is the red pill. I agree there is a great deal of miscommunication about what the red pill is, and especially here. I find that a lot of blue pillers here do not even know what the red pill even is to the extent that after arguing with many they end up showi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 08:34 PM
1	Red Pill has ruined the current dating and marriage scene. But that's fallicious in nature. You are attributing what people say to be the red pill but the red pill is well defined under the pillars of looks, status, game. Those people can say non red pill things in a red pill space and they can also say wrong things in a red pill space. What you are doing is basically the equivalent of saying "because Andrew Tate is a mysogynist and Andrew Tate says red pill things, then the red pill is mysogynistic" It's a complete failure in critical thinking but it's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 08:24 PM
1	Above Average Men Chase the Top 10% of Women Or women thinking by spreading their legs they can get a man of value. It's their naive nature that lets them run headfirst into heartbreak. Women choose first. They keep choosing heartbreak	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 07:58 PM
0	Red Pill has ruined the current dating and marriage scene. Uhhhh that sounds more like toxic masculinity What do those three things have to do will the three pillars of the red pill which are looks, status, and game?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 07:46 PM
2	Red Pill has ruined the current dating and marriage scene. And how are those red pill? Other than you have associated it with red pill yourself	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 07:35 PM
–	Modern feminism and online dating have destroyed dating; absolutely nothing to do with TRP, which is simply an acknowledgment of reality. It's not 1/4. You can google percentage of men and women who succeeded in reproducing over history. He's incorrectly quoting a study that demonstrated through DNA that over 60 percent of males failed to reproduce and over 80 percent of women succeeded. He also misattributes the entire argument to be about dating and attraction. However lots of these male deaths were because of war, conflict, poor working conditions, drugs and alcohol, etc. Statistically however there are 107 men to every 100 wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 07:11 PM
3	Red Pill has ruined the current dating and marriage scene. Are you talking about black pill or something? The red pill is an optimistic view. How attractive you are is in your control. Your status in society is in your control. Your ability to seduce people is in your control. The entire of basis of your thread fundamentally misrepresents the red pill. The red pill is optimistic, it's the black pill that's the doomer you can't change that's how it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/11/24 07:06 PM
1	Dating is about to get much worse for average men in the USA The left lines to use roe vs wade being overturned as the basis for the right is against women and against women's rights. You do know that's manipulative and wrong right? Roe vs wade was overturned, and look this up yourself, BECAUSE THE WAY THE LAW WAS WRITTEN WAS NOT LEGALLY BINDING. Judges have an ethical obligation to ensure the laws are written in a way that they are enforceable and legally binding. The left and feminists in particular blew it up way out of proportion and then go on the sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 06:16 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Look if you don't want to read the research on mate selection you should stop arguing against the research. You look stupid it's like you are trying to say the earth is flat to someone who knows the earth is a spherical shape.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 05:49 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? dismissing a general observation because of individual exceptions is a logical error, often referred to as the anecdotal fallacy or a misuse of exceptions to counter trends. Generalizations, like "women tend to seek successful partners," are based on aggregate data and describe tendencies within a population, not universal truths about every individual. Refuting this with exceptions relies on anecdotal evidence, which doesn’t invalidate statistically significant trends. This approach also create…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 05:10 PM
2	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game Making stuff up now, nice 👍	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 04:45 PM
2	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game We are not. You changed the topic and are trying to say you won the argument because your wife hasn't been plowed by trump. It's delusional	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 04:39 PM
2	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game Point to where I said that. Changing my words isn't a good look mr logical engineer. (Engineer myself fyi). The fact is your wife's biological attraction triggers are independent of who she settled with (you). Psychologists have measured every trait as it relates to attraction so I recommend you read for instance Norman li's work on mate selection. Inform yourself no need to argue with me about what women find attractive	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 04:30 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? What point? I'm not mad at all. This is exactly how I expected the conversation to go. You shut down and said no and went 🙊🙉🙈 and are trying anything you can to save face. You know it's irrational to not look these things up yourself but you can't because accepting that hurts too much	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 04:27 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Look you won't read the research because you will be proven wrong. It's too hurtful to your ego so you say no. How embarrassing	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 04:23 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? You are correct that two wrongs do not make a right. You changed my words I used an ad hominem attack. However pointing out an argumentative fallacy is a fallacy itself. I'm not looking to dismiss your views on the basis that I insulted you. You are free to review the research and you are free to continue living in delusion. I think it's irrational and childish for you to continue to argue instead of reading the research but I'm allowed to have that opinion. I did not however dismiss what you sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 04:15 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Putting words in my mouth is the classic. A form of social manipulation. Do you want me to start telling you the statistics about usage of social manipulation among men and women? Your refusal to grow up and read the research to inform yourself is indeed childish. Your behavior is highly irrational because rather than argue you can just get the information from an impartial unbiased and peer reviewed source. It actually doesn't matter what you and I think or feel.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 04:04 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Not what I said I said go read the studies yourself. My rebuttal is that you are not educated in this topic so I advised you to go educate yourself, to which you said no, because your feelings say so. It's childish on your part	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:59 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? My ability or desire to debate had no bearing on the accuracy or the facts. You are being illogical and irrational. The facts are facts regardless if I provide it or not. You can on your own terms educate yourself on mate selection or you can choose ignorance and continue arguing with people based on how you feel. So I encourage you to read Norman li's work on mate selection to educate yourself so that you stop arguing about topics which you are not educated about	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:57 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Hahahaha you won't even reach the science Delulu at its finest 🤣	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:54 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Please read norman li's work on mate selection. We know exactly how much each gender values individuals traits when it comes to mate selection. I am providing facts and you are providing feelings. Do you want to know another fact? The incidence of own group bias among men and women. Did you know that women are five times more likely to side with their gender than men are? Women have a proclivity to select for women that is five times larger than men have a proclivity to select for men. Y'all can…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:49 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? And like I said feelings aren't facts. It's more likely women do not want to appeal shallow and so try to save face. They virtue signal The data does not lie. We will not allow you to gaslight us because the facts shed a negative light on women's mating behavior. The truth is important	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:42 PM
1	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game I claimed that rich and powerful men have women throw themselves at them and you tried to dismiss that under the basis that your wife hasn't slept with them. Do you see how absurd that is? Has your wife even been in the presence of a man like this? You actually can't even say she wouldn't if given the chance. You hope she would because accepting that she may say yes would be crushing. Thus you defend her honor like a delusional leashed dog	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:37 PM
1	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Her biological tendencies do not care about how she feels	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:28 PM
–	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? You cannot dismiss the proclivity for people to behave this way because individuals deviate in varied amounts. It's actually you just being stupid here	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:20 PM
1	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game No you just don't understand that she can also be attracted to rich and powerful men and also still married you. These aren't mutually exclusive ideas. C'mon you are an engineer you should be better at logic and reason	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:11 PM
–	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? The impact on attraction for every trait is measure across men and women. Individuals may deviate but you cannot disregard the measured values because individuals deviate. That's silly. Stop writing essays about your stupidity please	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:10 PM
–	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Our biology is not negotiable	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:09 PM
2	CMV: Ran-through girls make better partners Why are you changing the topic to be about why does it matter. You stated something factually wrong and I corrected you. End of story.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 03:08 PM
2	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game But she's still attracted to rich and powerful men. Every single trait effect on attraction has been measured	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:49 PM
–	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? You can't deny the observation on the whole. The observation on the whole group is not wrong because individuals do not reflect the whole. That is utilizing the exception makes the rule fallacy to dismiss the argument in an irrational way	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:49 PM
2	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game Please go to a girly concert and report back chief	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:47 PM
–	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game Stating a fact about women's behavior is not mysogynistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:46 PM
–	CMV: Ran-through girls make better partners Those are your words not mine. Men fucking women is not relevant lmao Yup, delulu	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:45 PM
–	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game Say why. You can't	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:31 PM
–	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game None of that is mysogynistic. A truth about women being attracted to rich and powerful men is not news to anyone. just because it's about women doesn't make it mysogynistic. Women do overwhelmingly go after rich men. Have you ever seen women at a Jonas Brothers concert? That is true lust and desire	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:26 PM
–	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game Yes but the lineup of women who aren't you will happily take your place. These are also the same women who make up sexual assault because they feel shame over letting a billionaire give them a cream pie	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:21 PM
–	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Are you trying to say the measured importance a particular trait has in the mate selection process is not accurate or something? It sounds like you don't understand statistics. An individual might behave differently but the whole acts in this way and that is relevant. Please do not use the exceptio makes the rule fallacy it makes you look delulu Just because you don't like what psychologists found doesn't make it wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:12 PM
–	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game Point to what was mysogynistic	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:09 PM
–	CMV: Ran-through girls make better partners I have a source for that it's not wrong. Dataclysm who we are when no one is looking Women choose first lady. The data literally shows men are fair and women are not. You are delulu	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 02:08 PM
–	CMV: Ran-through girls make better partners Actually men show interest linearly according to attractiveness percentile and are more fair in regards to what they can get. They do however shoot their shot at beautiful women which is an exception. It's only at the high percentiles that they kinda get delusional, but you can't hate the guy for trying. At least in men's case they will consider individuals their level and show interest in a linear way across all percentiles. This is not seen in women. Given sexual selection they only show inter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 06:07 AM
2	Women shouldn’t complain about the current dating/relationship/sexual landscape when this is everything they wanted Did you seriously get that take from his comment? Do you lack written language skills	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 06:04 AM
–	Accountability Crisis: Why Feminism Needs to Rethink the Blame Game Because women fuck rich men. Only idiots buy that garbage. You are right she is graded on a different scale because she's not a rich men who has had women spreading their legs for a chance of the life he can give or a piece of the pie for a cream pie. No one seriously buys the me too movement garbage accusations. It's like sorry you fucked Donald Trump because he was rich don't go crying to the public because you saw dollars and spread your legs Like honestly women would even swarm Andrew Tate. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 05:57 AM
–	Monkey branching is fine. It's only ever your turn. Personally I am a competitor so I don't mind having to create the best island in view. However I understand why weak men don't want to compete and look at women negatively for their desire to seek the best mate they can according to the traits they find desirable. With the red pill comes understanding of what women find attractive, so you can't really be mad that they operate exactly like their programming dictates. That's like being mad at a cat for being a cat and doi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 01:08 AM
–	Women with admittedly "bad taste in men", what do you find attractive in these men? Great advice. When blue pilled men try the red pill they always find out that it's true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 01:04 AM
1	Women basically dominate the male sex. You're coming at this from a nice guy perspective. I've found the opposite to be extremely attractive "pay for yourself", "you can get your own door", "yes your getting fat". When you do the opposite it shows tremendous value, it's fun and playful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 01:02 AM
5	Men only want casual sex Not true. They're just not attractive like the men being swarmed by women. When I got muscular I updated my photos and scheduled 8 first dates within the first two weeks. You go from invisible to fuck me daddy when you get into the upper echelon. Prior I went 4.5 years without being able to even get a girl to agree for coffee	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 12:55 AM
2	Men only want casual sex Men who are out of your league want hookups because you are in the pump and dump category	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 12:54 AM
3	Men only want casual sex " only the hot men who have infinite options want infinite casual sex " more at 11. Just another deluded fembot who failed to get chad and keeps running into Chad's that want nothing serious with her	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 12:54 AM
2	How are men supposed to meet women's standards when women are so educated? Except psychologists have measured the exact R value that education has on attractiveness and it's non zero You think you don't care because you don't want to look shallow but really you do care and psychologists have proven it	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/24 12:52 AM
5	Guys here refuse to believe any behavior can be creepy and/or hinder one’s social life. K let me give you my experience I spent 4 years on apps getting ghosted. I make one sexual joke after talking to a girl for a month and she blows up and tells me all I want is sex and ghosts me. Women would see me turn their carts around in the supermarket from the other end. Visible signs of disgust in body language. You seem to think that these women are victims but let you tell me my experience after getting muscular after years of being ghosted: 8 first dates scheduled within 2 weeks of upda…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/24 11:30 PM
1	Women can't complain that men voted for Trump, men are just sticking up for themselves Look at genz men honey	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/24 11:25 PM
–	Relationships ruin men Psychology studies state the opposite actually. The dumper will have it easier first but will always live with the guilt and what if. The dumpee has no choice so moves on more easily.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/24 10:53 PM
–	Relationships ruin men Actually it does matter	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/24 10:52 PM
16	There’s too much casual misandry on the internet Like women repeatedly trying to date Chad only to get pumped and dumped, then turning into overtly misandrist toxic women who blame incels for their decision to fuck Chad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/24 10:52 PM
1	Misandry hurts women. I won't ever vote for a woman because I have deep intimate knowledge of the way women's brains work and sorry but not sorry, your "moods" aren't president material	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/24 10:51 PM
–	Older Women Who Didn’t Hit The Wall Are The Hardest To Get Agreed life is what you make of it. What you put in you get out tenfold. It's compound interest So go read the book she comes first, open her, watch Caitlyn v on YouTube for technique and sex advice, read the art of seduction, then go get yourself a pretty good girl and cum on her titties. become the man she has been dying to meet since she was a teenager.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/24 03:58 PM
–	Older Women Who Didn’t Hit The Wall Are The Hardest To Get Yep it's a bit difficult of a pill to accept initially but as someone who had little experience with women going into it blind I got to see women's behavior without bias. You end up in very short order validating every single thing the red pill teaches about women's behavior. And you just laugh at women here trying to save face for their gender. You laugh because of the complete lack of self awareness. I've debated several women here and I think I got every single one to describe their husbands.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/24 02:22 PM
2	Older Women Who Didn’t Hit The Wall Are The Hardest To Get This is why it's so hard for men who are behind. Women's expectations keep going up, and men who never got a chance and don't even know the expectations have to figure it out. Imagine a turbo virgin at 30 trying to please a woman in bed whom has been having sex for 15 years. As a former turbo virgin I did everything I could from books to pornhub guides and I made it happen and plowed the shit out of women. But that's after hundreds of hours of research on how to do everything. Most men won't do …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/24 08:18 PM
1	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole I believe you probably aren't happily married, you're a piece of work hahah I do not envy any man who gets into an argument with you, you lack any and all rationality and leverage social manipulation to convince others of fictional things you have made up in your mind	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/24 02:40 PM
1	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole What insult?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/24 02:39 PM
1	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole I never said women weren't people or less than. Stating differences which are real and tangible is not sexist, that is absurd. Look you might be able to put words into your husband's mouth to control him but it's not gonna work with me. You are a very manipulative woman and I wish your husband had self respect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/24 02:39 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole None of that disproves hypergamy. So you just posted random adjacent anti incel garbage The R values for every trait are well studied in norman li's work. Women do seek better partners than themselves it's not arguable. Women seek better and settle associatively if their environment cannot satisfy their hypergamy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 10:15 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole None of that has anything to do with hypergamy	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 09:08 PM
1	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole Point to where I said I view women as less than men Do you understand your delusion now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 09:06 PM
1	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole Happily married 😌	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 09:03 PM
1	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole How does that make the red pill sexist and wrong? You saying it's sexist doesn't make it so please explain why. Men knowing how women manipulate in arguments doesn't make the red pill wrong, it makes men better at not being manipulated by women. This is a good thing. Care to explain how the red pill dehumanizes and controls women? In fact if anything it acknowledges that they are human. Humans have males and females and we each have different biologies. The red pill teaches men how men and women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 08:57 PM
1	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole I never said your source was fake. Do not put words in my mouth. I watched the intro and it made an incorrect assumption about the red pill which I clarified and elaborated on. Do you have an issue with the clarification or what I elaborated on or are you just trying to dismiss what I said on the basis that you invented the idea that I called the video fake (which never happened) You see the red pill teaches men how women behave. You behave like a caricature. The manipulation attempts are obviou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 08:25 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole Fyi that AI generated video starts off wrong. It starts with saying these men have a victim mindset. That's not red pill. Red pill is an optimistic mindset. It's the black pill which is pessimistic (and that's why black pill isn't allowed here). The red pill is about men's self improvement, being the best you can be. You can improve your appearance, you can improve your status, you can improve your game. None of that is a victim mindset. Women like to come here and say these men are playing vict…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 06:55 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole It's a mind fuck, but it's the truth. The guys you shit on are actually the good ones confused with their identity. The guys women go after have already accepted the red pill and implemented it into their lives. So the bad ones get rewarded and the good ones who do not game attraction lose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 05:58 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole I provided a quote	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 05:57 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole Indeed! Most successful men are red pilled. Most men women go for are red pilled. Red pill is just a blueprint for being attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 05:57 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole What's peak irony is that women will go on the internet, like Reddit, shit on incels and then go fuck a red pilled dude because he is attractive for the reasons the red pill teaches. So they prevent more men from becoming attractive to them by gaslighting and shaming them, then go and reward those who embody what they shame incels for advocating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 05:04 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole Yes it does. Go read the full text. It clearly states women's natural hypergamy when unsatisfied by the environment results in associative. They settle. There is also a lot of research elsewhere on this cycle. The assortative hypergamy mating cycle is well studied Generalizing is not hatred, that's some cooky illogical shit	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 04:42 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole They're actually the ones dating and already married to women... Almost all of the men I grew up with got red pilled 10 years ago and are all married. I held out and then finally caved and all my women issues went away The red pill as it relates to dating is looks status and game. By definition any man who is fit and at least takes care of his appearance, has a good career, and has social prowess is by definition red pilled	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 04:40 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole It's in the OG as an edit Stating facts about women's behavior is not hatred. Do not be manipulative. There is no hatred, in fact I love women and have been very successful with them Fyi by making statements like that you just validate the red pill which talks about how socially manipulative women are. You are trying to frame me as someone who hates women but the fact is I don't and I know your game. Your opinion of my views is not relevant to the discussion so please stay on topic	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 04:26 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole Start there. Google hypergamy studies on your own time and educate yourself before conversing on a topic you are ignorant about. Hypergamy is not negotiable. It's well studied. Since you have a problem starting there I advise you to fix that	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 04:04 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole What does what you said relate to what I said in any way. I spoke only to you saying disprove 80 20. I have no desire to speak to op. I felt what you said was logically wrong	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 03:22 PM
–	Women Date Out Of Their League By Exploiting a Loophole It does not disprove. Matching associatively at the finish line does not mean that women did not match by hypergamy during the race. In fact as women learn their value and or learn their environment they drop their standards and end up more associative. Go read a study on the associative and hypergamy mating cycle. The issue men have is the journey to equal, that leaves a lot of men lonely In the age of social media because women start so delusional about what they can get. They finally have the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 02:33 PM
1	The Type of Women Normally Chased by Men Preaching to the choir man. I spent years getting ghosted, rejected, basically my entire adult life. Women wouldn't even talk with me, had signs of visible discomfort from body language being around me. I got jacked, updated my photos on hinge, and then I had 8 first dates scheduled within two weeks of updating my photos. I accepted advances (women chase) from two and both invited me over to their place and things got 🌶️. Now all I get is smiles and IOIs. Even the executive HR for the billion do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/24 11:26 PM
–	The fearmongering about modest women being a bad choice cuz they are bad in the bed is absolutely ridiculous and it denotes massive pick-me and porn rotten behavior You have confused sex with many partners (what men don't like) with experience with sex (which you can get with a single partner or even none at all). Having sex with many partners is not a good look when you want to be considered for a LTR. Being good in the sheets is a good thing. It shows you are confident in being a woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/24 11:22 PM
1	The Type of Women Normally Chased by Men Dating app data shows that men show interest in women linearly according to their attractiveness percentile Women only engage with men in realistically the top 10 percentile. Though people in the top twenty are engaged just at much lower rates. The bottom 80 percentile are for all intents and purposes not considered. /Thread	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/24 11:00 PM
-1	The Self Improvement that TRP Teaches Seems Pointless Sometimes. You forget that the red pill is not just money... It's looks status game. Max your looks in all areas. Max your status. Max your game. Being a seduction rock star is how you get her to tingle. You say it's pointless but myself as a turbo virgin until 30 I now have a partner whom I fucked the daylights out of in the morning and then she fucked my brains out in the evening. No sex for my entire life and now it's something I get to partake in, as well as enjoying my life with someone whom makes me …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/24 04:07 PM
–	You've just been appointed "Minister for Relationships" and have UNLIMITED political/economic/financial power to make any changes to the dating world EXCEPT obligating anyone to date anyone else. I would bring truths as proven through psychology and through studies into public education. People need to know how people behave so that they learn the rules of the game being played. A lot of issues arise because this knowledge is taboo. This allows those in the know to take advantage of their knowledge and benefit whilst also preventing others from gaining this knowledge. We would all be better off if everyone knew the game and accepted who we are as humans, men, and women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/24 04:02 PM
1	Being sensitive as a guy is a good thing Honesty and openness builds connection. Weakness builds resentment. There is a difference	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/24 03:24 PM
1	The Reason Most People Don’t Enjoy Dating Is Women’s Unmanaged Expectations, and Top Men Who Exploit It Ultimately women choose first	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/24 04:48 AM
2	Do most men really want “traditional women” or to receive treatment they imagine top tier Chads receive from women? Norman Li studied the differences between north America and Singapore in terms of mate selection. It turns out Asian women would value status and ability to provide to a much higher degree than western women, and western women would value attractiveness much higher than status. So it actually depends where the woman was raised and by whom. Both are actually correct.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 04:23 PM
1	If the problem with "nice guys" is their personality, why don't they struggle to make friends, both male and female? Also for status and money to be looked at the looks threshold has to be crossed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 04:14 PM
1	What is the real reason some men are able to have success with love and some aren’t? You think things are even but they are not. There used to be 107 men for every 100 women within the age range we care about for dating. This is because men simply die younger so we can import them and the statistic still looks 50/50. But when you control for age there is a lot of men in their 20s and 30s. So it's probably worse now. At least before COVID it meant 7 percent of men would die alone. This doesn't even include women exiting for various reasons (trauma, lesbian, etc). So it's already …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 12:00 AM
1	What do you all think about the accuracy of these SMV attribute percentages and how would you personally order them yourself? Research on mate selection often focuses on assessing the correlation between different attributes and their influence on attractiveness or selection preferences, which can be expressed through correlation coefficients like the R-value. Several studies have evaluated attributes such as physical attractiveness, resources, kindness, intelligence, and others. Buss (1989), "Sex Differences in Human Mate Preferences" – Cross-cultural research found that physical attractiveness had a positive correlat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 11:50 PM
2	Red pill core thesis is incoherent It has to be spread around because the only way for women to be protected from their own psychology is for the good men to step up and learn the game the shitty men are playing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 11:21 PM
–	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Actually your problems with the thesis are actually happening. There is a lot of red pilled dudes and they are fucking all the women. The 65 percent of males who are effectively incels (single) aren't red pilled and aren't competing. The red pill has fundamentally made the average dude a sexless incel because those who are red pilled get all the sex and those that are too blue pilled to accept the red pill go sexless. The dating landscape is fucked up. I've seen all my female friends I grew up w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 11:06 PM
1	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV Oh I see where you are coming from now. That makes sense. Here we talk about the red pill for dating which is a subset of the red pill. I dislike how this is a dating discussion and people dismiss the red pill for dating because Andrew Tate is a mysogynistic douchebag. Which is why I have an issue with the discussion we had. I still think that those influencers who speak red pill do not represent the red pill as it pertains to men's rights. Such as skewed marriage laws etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 08:24 PM
1	You can't socialize a man into caring about you You are trying to say that someone who has experienced being low value demonstrably and been greatly affected by the results of being low value is wrong for acknowledging the truths of our society? That's some mental gymnastics. You saying that is basically telling them that their lived experience is wrong. They aren't disconnected with people, people are disconnected with them and they refuse to relate or empathize with them. Then they gaslight them and say they are wrong. I agree with you that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 08:02 PM
1	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV How is looks status and game exclusively PUA when PUA only covers game? You got this backwards and hard. You clearly do not understand set theory. Take a Venn diagram. You are trying to say that because there is crossover a subset represents the whole (PUA represents red pill). But in reality the only rational conclusion is the parts that crossover. PUA is a practical implementation of the game pillar of red pill. The game pillar of red pill is actually all social prowess. These are not the most…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 07:46 PM
1	Do you genuinely believe men have it easier or advocating men’s right is bad? Why do you think it's duping again?? That's some toxic misandry	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 07:43 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? I don't agree that is the case nor is it the topic at hand. No I will not let you change the topic we are discussing if women lower their attractiveness threshold for short term mating. You are confusing the minimum threshhold with women's desire to engage in a short term relationship versus a long term relationship. There are many reasons why it would be harder, if that's the case. And most of those reasons have nothing to do with the fact that womens minimum standard for attractiveness goes do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 07:36 PM
1	Do you genuinely believe men have it easier or advocating men’s right is bad? Why do you think that way? If 65 percent of men are single and only 27 percent of women are this would mean that a small subset of men are dating multiple women. But you think that the majority are duping when it's the minority in practice. It's not a fair view to the majority who are single and just wanting to be loved and experience human affection	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 07:29 PM
1	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV It feels like to me you have come to the conclusion that the red pill conflates mens rights, pick up, mgtow, toxic masculinity all into the red pill. how did you come to this? There has always ever only been looks status and game. Game is related to PUA but never had been PUA because game extends to all social situations and PUA only relates to seduction in the romantic sense. I think basing your idea of the red pill on what figure heads say is wrong. They aren't figure heads of the red pill the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 07:20 PM
1	Do you genuinely believe men have it easier or advocating men’s right is bad? But you said these men's number one motivator is duping women into sex. You have assumed intent to dupe when the intent is more likely just not to be alone	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 07:10 PM
–	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? What is spinning plates or multi dating have to do with looks money and game (social skills)? Why are you lumping the behaviors of some men who are red pilled who date multiple women with the red pill??	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 06:31 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? And I knew you were changing the topic away from the argument you lost. You are an embarrassment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 06:30 PM
1	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV I disagree that things have changed. I think weak red pilled men have allowed what the red pill means to be perceived differently . I think the biggest travesty is people like yourself allowing others to tarnish the red pill under the basis that some people associated with saying red pill things also say other things. It's manipulative and we should call out that manipulation. It's not reasonable to discredit the red pill or red pilled basis under the guise that F&F or Tate says mysogynistic thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 06:30 PM
1	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV So you are red pilled in the traditional sense but in an effort to be heard here you change your stance to no pill because that way people will be more likely to listen to your views. You are red pilled. People with an improper definition of the red pill do not change what the red pill is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 06:12 PM
–	Do you genuinely believe men have it easier or advocating men’s right is bad? Yes but you assume duping because you are biased. Acknowledging looks money and game has nothing to do with being a good or bad person. In fact it has everything to do with critical thinking and intelligence which is more closely associated with being higher on the emotional intelligence scale and subsequently being a good person. I agree that someone knowing seduction could be a good or bad person the skill is independent. What I disagree with is your assumptions that these are bad people. In f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 06:06 PM
–	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? What about the red pill says women don't have those things? What does looks status and game even have to do with women's independence or individuality	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 05:08 PM
–	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV Hmm I guess I don't see how the likes of F&F became the red pill. The red pill never changed and it feels like to me people are taking what people who say red pill things say that aren't red pill as the red pill. To me the red pill will and always be looks money game.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 05:07 PM
–	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV So why are you no pill if you effectively followed the red pill? At least the looks pillar Edit: btw I see where I got it wrong thank you for clarifying	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 04:53 PM
1	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? Oh yes of course. I did a poor job of making you feel heard	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 04:52 PM
1	Women who keep sentimental gifts of their exes - could we call this an Alpha Widow? I don't get your response? Didn't you say this happened to you. I quoted the book the rational male	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 04:51 PM
–	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? The quote I said is the basis for the status and money part of the red pill. Both of those contribute to your islands quality But yes 😂 once you hear the quote you go "motherfucker is so right how did I not see that"	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 04:00 PM
–	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? Why are you purple pilled 😂 I agree btw	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:59 PM
–	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV Do you think you have bad genetics? I ask because I was invisible for years. Couldn't get a date. I started bouldering (climbing) for a year. Lost 40 lb. Started weight lifting for 6 months. Updated my photos and had 8 dates scheduled within two weeks of updating my photos. This was after 10 years of being unable to get a date. The girls were then throwing their vaginas at me to lock me down. Do you think you cannot become more attractive (black pill) or do you think you can but just have not tr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:57 PM
–	What do you all think about the accuracy of these SMV attribute percentages and how would you personally order them yourself? They know how important every single possible trait and personality indicator affects mate selection. It's not negotiable The R value is the ratio of importance a trait hascompared to other traits. They have this data for short term prospects and long term. This is why the red pill cannot be argued against. You are arguing against the scientific method and look like an idiot who 🙈🙉 They can calculate a person's SMV and give them a number and that will dictate the mates they can attract. There ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:51 PM
–	You can't socialize a man into caring about you I think you misread those men's statements. Those men are effectively talking about indirect displays of value. A man who does not do something for a woman indirectly says he is of higher value. This is actually a trigger for attraction. It creates desire, the spark. So within seduction it is a strategy. And it does work - these men aren't wrong. It's like teasing. This hits the brotherly/fatherly love dynamic which women look for in male partners. It engages the man to woman dynamic versus need…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:27 PM
–	Women who keep sentimental gifts of their exes - could we call this an Alpha Widow? Women tend not to know their value when they are young. Over time couples tend to mate associatively (their equals) but that leaves a trail of hurt people either above or below. It's sad but normal. The 10 dating a 5 doesn't last long once the 10 learns their value Men will find they have better quality relationships if they date down. It's a valid strategy and I suggest you try it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:20 PM
–	Dopamine Has No Impact On Oxytocin Bonds Have you had a lot of physical touch? The first girl to give me a blowie I couldn't even drive straight. Oxytocin hits really really hard if you aren't used to it. My partner and I both become zonked out after sexy times. We're content low energy and just zonked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:19 PM
–	Women have nothing to gain by dating men, CMV Women actually chase. It's a misnomer that men do. The red pill teaches men to be so much better than your desired mate that you blow past her. The only thing she can do is start running after you blinded by the cloud of dust you leave in your wake. When you become high value you see it. A man who hasn't got there won't understand	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:11 PM
–	What do you all think about the accuracy of these SMV attribute percentages and how would you personally order them yourself? Why would we order these ourselves? Psychologists have determined experimentally the R value for every trait. What a silly question	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:03 PM
–	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? Women are like boats and men are like islands. If there is a better island in view why wouldn't a woman navigate to that island instead?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:02 PM
–	Women who keep sentimental gifts of their exes - could we call this an Alpha Widow? An alpha widow is a woman who had the opportunity to date a high value man but was ultimately rejected. Studies have shown that when a woman is rejected by a high value man she actually becomes less likely to accept advances from a lower value male and is actually more likely to be harsher in her rejection. Effectively this woman thinks she can compete at the higher level but doesn't realize that the high value man probably just used her for sex and had no intention of ever committing to her. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 02:58 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? No bringing up as hominem does not discredit my argument I can call you a moron because it's true and that has no bearing on my argument. It's actually you who does 😂	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 02:42 PM
–	Why do so many women still have trouble acknowledging that men are way hornier and that this is 100% of the source of their upper hand? Agreed! They're also insecure and don't know their body however	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 02:42 PM
–	Do you genuinely believe men have it easier or advocating men’s right is bad? Who says it's tricking? Seduction is a skill. Some men learned it through practice and others through books / YouTube / red pill Women want to be seduced - they want the romance. I dont understand your problem. You assume bad intent but that's not true?? Probably because you are biased against the red pill	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 02:38 PM
0	Kids effect men and women differently on the dating market place. I agree. So does my partner. But a woman without kids may be more willing to get with a man who has a good life for himself and his child than a man would be to cuck himself. So the actual we question is how much does each gender care and how much does that influence their mate selection. I do not agree it's the same because no other trait in partners has the same R value between the genders. This is something you could probably look up in a table in one of Norman Li's studies though	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 09:47 PM
–	Do you genuinely believe men have it easier or advocating men’s right is bad? Duping? Women willingly only go for men who are red pilled. It's not duping if it's what they want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 09:29 PM
3	Women ask men to improve emotionally, yet their dating preferences often incentivize men to focus on material success and physical appearance Dismissing a view just because it’s a generalization is wrong and manipulative. Generalizations can be valid when backed by evidence or consistent patterns. By rejecting the argument without engaging, you're committing the fallacies of hasty dismissal and oversimplification, avoiding the actual substance of the point. This approach derails the conversation and shuts down meaningful discussion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 08:50 PM
1	Women are poor communicators And what behaviors are considered codependent in nature? For instance the expectation that another person can read your mind. The issue is that a lot of women are codependent. It's makes them incompatible with being in a secure relationship. It stems from them tending towards an anxious attachment style and you correctly determined from toxic childhood dynamics but it could also be trauma outside childhood. The fact is that there can be many reasons someone doesn't just read your mind in a given…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 07:51 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? Chat gpt says you are wrong so I consider it over too 😘	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 04:10 PM
–	Why do so many women still have trouble acknowledging that men are way hornier and that this is 100% of the source of their upper hand? Yes more reactive. And most women do not know that 2/3 of them have responsive desire. So they say no before they get aroused and want to say yes 😔	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 04:04 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? I'm going from memory and you are hyper focused on the specific study like an autistic honey badger	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 03:42 PM
–	Women are poor communicators Can you describe what codependency is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 03:10 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? Just ask chat gpt you are wrong I'm not going through it again because you cannot read or understand the distinction between a minimum threshhold and relative R values for traits. The study clearly says that the minimum threshhold goes up for long term. By proxy that means men must be more attractive at minimum for long term. You have confused the weights of attributes (cares about looks more than others) with the bare minimum.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 02:35 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? Go through all of norman lis studies. He distinguishes between priority and threshhold. You are confusing prioritizing looks with a higher threshold. It's counter intuitive. The minimum is still raised for long term. Go ask chat gpt to summarize this regarding his work or something if you can't read good	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 02:04 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? You are talking to a debater. It's wrong in debate to bring up a fallacy, as it does not help your argument. You have now changed the topic away from you being wrong and are being manipulative 😂	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 01:20 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? No it uses English properly. You just can't read English. It is talking about the R value for the trait. The traits being attractiveness, looks, money, status etc. What your ape brain does not comprehend is that the R value for attractiveness can GO UP when compared to looks money status but ALSO the minimum level of attractiveness can go down. What you referred to is just that. She just has lower standards for everything for short term, and cares about money and status EVEN less. But when long …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 09:20 PM
–	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? Explain? Attractiveness having lower weights than status for long term does not mean the minimum looks go down. You are actually mentally challenged. Both the minimum can go up and attractiveness be less important that other attributes when compared to short term. They are not mutually exclusive because it's not zero sum. Please learn some critical thinking The study I quoted found exactly that all standards go up and the weights shift. They looked precisely at hookups vs long term selection. Yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 06:15 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? The study literally shows you that the looks threshold is lower for short term than long term. You are wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 06:10 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? This is not true. Women are actually less likely to go after a less attractive man when rejected by a more attractive man. They are so more ruthless in their rejection. You think it's logical for them to say I guess I shot too high time to lower my standards but studies show they actually double down. Psychologists posit it is a form of saving face. They virtue signal to all others in their society that they are higher value than the less attractive mate. It's a way they try to preserve their st…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 09:00 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? The key study by Norman Li et al. (2002) on mate preferences explains the concept of a "minimum threshold" for physical attractiveness. The findings indicate that: Short-term relationships (STR): Women may lower their attractiveness threshold for short-term mating contexts, prioritizing physical traits more heavily, but with fewer demands for non-physical attributes like stability or resources. In these scenarios, men who meet a minimum level of attractiveness are more likely to be considered fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 08:33 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? I don't think you realize what the studies you linked are actually looking at. Prioritizing looks for short term does not mean her minimums are higher, it means that looks have a larger affect than other attributes. Womens minimum attractiveness threshhold actually goes down for short term relationships	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 08:19 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? Not true it's the opposite	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 03:13 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? Yes it is because studies on mate selection say so	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 01:38 AM
1	The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women are Okay but how does that rate to what I said? There are whores and there are single moms. They are less valuable for different reasons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 01:38 AM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You’re missing the point again. Just because men can buy a test or go to court doesn’t mean the system is fair. The burden is entirely on men to take these steps, often with no suspicion, or face life-altering consequences if they don’t. Saying that this access alone eliminates systemic disadvantage ignores the pressures and emotional hurdles men face. It’s like saying women had "access" to jobs and schools before feminism, ignoring the systemic biases they still had to overcome. The comparison …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 10:51 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You’re deliberately twisting the argument by claiming "life isn’t fair" as an excuse to ignore men’s issues. Feminist movements fought for fairness when women were systemically disadvantaged, yet when men face systemic issues like paternity fraud, you shrug it off. Saying men have “opportunities” just because tests are available is exactly the same dismissive logic used to deny women's equality in the past. You’re manipulating the conversation to avoid acknowledging that men deserve equal legal …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 10:33 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You're still missing the point. The issue isn’t just about covering your own losses—it’s about creating a system that ensures fairness before financial damage occurs. By comparing paternity testing to optional insurance coverage, you're continuing to downplay the deeper legal and emotional complexities men face. A man failing to get a test early does lead to financial harm—not just to him, but also potentially to the child who may be emotionally and financially affected by a system built on assu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 09:43 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You’re still dodging the core issue. Just because paternity tests are available in stores doesn’t mean the system is fair. Men often don’t know to take a test until it’s too late, and by then, they could be financially locked in due to laws that still prioritize the child’s well-being over biological fact. It’s not as simple as grabbing a test and walking away—there are real legal consequences involved. As for your challenge to name one other instance where the government steps in to financially…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 09:21 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You're twisting the issue again. It’s not about whether men can bring up transparency—it's the societal and emotional pressures that make it harder. You're acting like simply having the “option” makes it all equal, but that ignores the complexity. As for equal protections, men don’t have the same safety net when it comes to paternity fraud. Many are left financially liable for children that aren’t theirs, and it’s not as simple as “just bring it up.” Your refusal to acknowledge this inequality i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 09:10 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Your manipulation is transparent. You’re deliberately minimizing the impact of what men face by pretending this is just about "choosing not to act." Claiming men can test without "bringing it up" with their partners ignores the complexities of relationships and trust. Expecting men to sneak around to get a paternity test rather than have transparency in their relationships is part of the problem. You’re also conveniently dodging the broader issue—it's not just about individual action, it's about…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 08:57 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You’re manipulating the conversation again by comparing men’s rights to trivial tasks like buying a pregnancy test. Your analogy is completely irrelevant and ignores the broader context of legal and emotional burden. Suggesting men should quietly sneak around and handle it themselves without the support they need is dismissive. You claim that providing "multiple avenues" is enough, but what you’re really doing is shifting the burden entirely onto men while pretending that these solutions are str…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 08:36 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Your response is a textbook case of manipulation. You’re trying to frame men’s very real legal and emotional struggles as insanity for simply wanting fairness. By mocking the idea of burdening men with proving paternity, you’re downplaying the systemic issues they face—this isn’t about "buying a test"; it’s about navigating the legal system and societal pressures that make men question their relationships just to protect themselves. It's striking how this mirrors tactics from some feminist movem…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 08:21 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You're clearly manipulating the conversation by trivializing men’s legitimate concerns. You mock the idea of systemic unfairness by reducing it to “making a doctor’s appointment” or “buying a test”, completely ignoring the emotional, legal, and societal pressures men face. That’s not a fair or honest argument—it's misandry, pure and simple. By shifting the conversation to irrelevant points like “5 minutes alone with a child”, you're deflecting from the real issue: men shouldn’t be forced to ques…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 07:47 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate It’s clear you’re dodging the actual issue by shifting the conversation to irrelevant hypotheticals about “5 minutes alone with a child.” This blatant attempt to distract from the core discussion not only shows a lack of understanding but also reeks of misandry. Your deflection about bathroom breaks and “alone time” is a weak attempt to avoid acknowledging the systemic unfairness men face. This isn’t about logistical scenarios—this is about real legal and emotional consequences for men who are l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 07:27 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The misandry in this discussion is clear from the way men’s challenges are downplayed and dismissed as simple matters of "picking up a test" or "making a phone call." You’re assuming that men are given a fair system, but what you’re ignoring is that the system itself places all the burden on men to second-guess their relationships and take proactive steps just to avoid being deceived. Your stance implies that men should just be okay with constantly having to question the integrity of their partn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 07:13 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The blatant misandry in this conversation is undeniable. Suggesting that men are somehow “helpless” or that supporting mandatory paternity testing undermines their capability to make decisions is missing the point. It's not about believing men can't “handle buying a box and sending a test,” but about recognizing the societal pressure that forces men to question their relationships to protect themselves. Dismissing these challenges with remarks like “how helpless do you think men are?” shows a cl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 07:02 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The argument that “he didn’t complete DNA testing, so it’s his fault” reflects a broader misunderstanding of how these situations unfold. It's easy to say men have the “opportunity to protect themselves,” but the reality is far more complex. Many men trust their partners and have no reason to believe they need to question paternity, so suggesting that it's on them for not acting sooner ignores the emotional dynamics at play. It’s not just a legal process—it’s a deeply personal one. Moreover, whi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 06:58 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate This conversation is a prime example of misandry and the blatant double standard men face when it comes to having their issues heard. The dismissive comments like "If a man doesn't get testing, that is his choice, if he doesn't find out for years so what? Oh no he made a choice and it had some consequences?" show a clear disregard for the real harm men experience due to paternity fraud. This attitude implies that men are somehow less deserving of fairness and legal protection, reducing their val…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 06:54 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The case you refer to underscores the importance of timely action, as seen in the fact that the plaintiff failed to complete his own DNA testing, which will likely complicate his situation. However, as you noted, there hasn’t been a final judgment yet. The court has deferred its decision, allowing for a full trial to address whether the defendant's conduct regarding the DNA test amounted to fraudulent concealment. That being said, the specific case details are just one example of a much larger i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 06:41 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Cases like this one (https://dbblaw.com/non-biological-father-seeks-to-recover-19-years-of-child-support-payments/) show that non-biological fathers can still be held financially responsible, even after disproving paternity. Texas Family Code Chapter 161, for example, mandates that men continue paying child support for periods before paternity is disproven. With studies indicating that up to 1 in 25 men are victims of paternity fraud (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2005/aug/11/childrensserv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 06:21 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The comparison to unplanned pregnancies or forcing birth control on teens is a classic slippery slope fallacy. Paternity testing is not about controlling personal autonomy like birth control; it’s about verifying legal and biological facts that determine long-term financial and emotional responsibilities. No one is proposing massive government intervention to prevent all life’s surprises—mandatory paternity testing is specifically focused on ensuring fairness in cases where men are legally oblig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 05:46 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The notion that men should have “popped into the store” or “gone to the doctor” for a paternity test sooner fails to account for the fact that most men have no reason to suspect anything is amiss. If a man is in a trusting relationship, why would he doubt his partner or think to question paternity? This argument assumes suspicion is a given, which is simply not true in most cases. Mandatory testing prevents men from having to question their relationships in the first place, providing clarity and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 05:18 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate While men can request a paternity test in court, by that point, the harm is already done. In cases where paternity is found to be false, the man has typically spent years raising the child, forming emotional bonds, and investing time, money, and energy into the child’s life. These investments are irreplaceable. You can’t undo the time or emotional attachment, and no financial compensation can truly make him whole again. This entire situation could be avoided with mandatory paternity testing at b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 05:00 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate It's not that answering "yes" or "no" to a paternity test in front of a judge is too difficult—it's that the stakes are much higher than just a simple choice. Many men may feel pressured not to ask for a test because it could imply distrust in their partner, especially if they're in a committed relationship. This isn't just about "personal choices"; it's about ensuring legal and financial fairness from the start, something that shouldn't depend on whether a man feels comfortable asking for a tes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 04:51 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The idea that men should just "handle it on their own" and that society has no obligation to ensure fairness overlooks the broader context of legal and financial accountability. You’re making false equivalencies by comparing paternity to things like credit monitoring or college affordability—situations where personal responsibility may apply, but they don’t carry the same weight of involuntary, long-term financial obligations. When men are legally held accountable for child support based on assu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 04:35 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate While men can indeed get a paternity test privately, the issue isn’t just about avoiding an awkward conversation or a small task. It’s about ensuring fairness and clarity from the start. Many men may not realize they need to get a test, or may be hesitant due to social or emotional pressure, which leads to serious consequences later—emotionally, financially, and legally. Mandatory testing ensures that both parties start with certainty, removing any doubt without forcing men to navigate tricky pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 04:16 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate While men can request a paternity test in court, the option alone doesn't make it entirely fair. Many men may feel pressured not to ask for one out of fear of damaging their relationship or creating unnecessary conflict. Mandatory testing removes this emotional burden and normalizes the process, preventing awkward situations. Also, men might not realize they need to test until it’s too late, after they've become emotionally invested. Making testing mandatory ensures clarity from the start and av…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 03:43 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The idea that mandatory paternity testing would burden society or lead to unnecessary expenses is overstated. This isn’t about men being “lazy” or not taking responsibility—it’s about ensuring fairness in a legal system that holds men accountable for child support without necessarily confirming biological ties. Paternity fraud has significant financial and emotional consequences for men, and these extend to the children and families involved. First, the cost argument doesn't hold up as well as i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 03:11 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Men don’t always know they should get a paternity test, especially if they trust their partner or don’t suspect anything. It’s not always obvious, and they might not even think it’s necessary if the relationship seems stable. By the time they realize something might be off, they could be emotionally and financially invested, making the situation even harder to navigate. So, it’s not just about getting a test; it’s about knowing when to consider it. Mandatory paternity testing would remove that g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 02:35 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The comparison to identity theft works, but the stakes and dynamics are different. Yes, with identity theft, you’re expected to monitor your credit and catch any issues, but it’s a financial transaction. Paternity questions, on the other hand, involve emotional and relational trust. Asking for a paternity test can imply doubt in a way that checking your credit report doesn’t—it's not just about protecting assets, it's about the potential fallout in personal relationships. Mandatory paternity tes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 02:15 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate It's not about the physical ease of purchasing a test; it's about the broader implications and fairness. While paternity tests are accessible, many men may not feel comfortable requesting them, especially in the context of a committed relationship where trust is a fundamental element. Asking for a test can imply distrust, potentially damaging a relationship even if no fraud has occurred. Additionally, men may not suspect they need a test until years later, by which time they've already invested …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 01:51 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Men can't reasonably be expected to protect themselves when it comes to paternity because, unlike women, they have no inherent way of knowing if a child is biologically theirs without a test. Expecting men to question their partners or seek a test in every case isn't realistic, especially given the emotional and social dynamics at play. Requesting a test can create distrust or strain relationships, discouraging men from acting. It's unfair to put the full burden on men when there's no natural wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 01:35 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You apparently think that it's okay to rape a woman when she is sleeping because she won't know about it	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 12:23 PM
1	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? According to who? Where does the red pill claim the opposite	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 12:21 PM
1	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. Explain where I was wrong other than just trying to offend me. You are clearly very insecure so I do not value your opinions very much. You were wrong and now are trying to save face. How embarrassing for you...	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 11:59 PM
1	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. Other people in the tread have given the data. If 3.7 percent of all children are born with the wrong father on the birth certificate, then by definition 1 in every 23 or what ever it is (27 maybe it's just mental math) men are victims of paternity fraud.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 11:46 PM
1	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? You can watch wheat waffles YouTube video on the various pill types to learn what they are. You are associating things that people have said, such as some insecure people here and people like Andrew Tate with the red pill. The red pill has nothing to do with what people say. So your definition is just wrong. There are three components of the red pill, looks based, status based, and game based. How attractive you are, how successful you are, and how good you are at seducing others (sexually, inte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 11:40 PM
1	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. Yes the mean if 3.7 had a max value of 30 percent. That means my original statement was correct just only for one location. It was ambiguous so I'm not wrong I have corrected my stance in other comments, which you read. I understand that 32 percent of men who tests paternity are not the father is not the same as all children born. But you are on some tirade and have not noticed that I've made my clarification clear and already had this discussion with others. Can I explain English to you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 11:21 PM
1	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. Actually I can. As you saw the median of 3.7 percent has a max of 30 percent. So at least in one place in the study the last person who tried to say what you said it is over 25 percent, in fact the max was 30 percent. Either way my point isn't to argue 5 percent or 25 percent. It's to say that one in twenty ish men are victims of paternity fraud. And we should eliminate paternity fraud by mandatory testing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 10:56 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate One out of twenty ish men are victims of paternity fraud. It doesn't matter that they either don't know or don't care. That's like saying someone can rape a man or women when they are sleeping and are not available to consent. Or that you can steal from someone if they do not notice. Ignorance or apathy does not exempt the fraud. Essentially, just because someone is unaware of or indifferent to a fact doesn't alter the reality or validity of that fact. Truth remains independent of a person's kno…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 10:53 PM
1	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. Let's read the rest of the comments	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 10:47 PM
7	Were you more physically attracted to your hookups/situationships/fwbs compared to your more serious partners? There are studies on this. Why are you asking women? Studies show that there is a looks threshold that must be passed before a woman will consider any other attribute in a male partner. This affect is greater when the women is seeking a long term relationship. What does this mean? Women raise their visual standards for LTRs and they will lower their visual standards for hookups. Stop listening to what people say, whether they are blue pilled or red pilled. The studies have the answer and the stu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 09:46 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Another poster did when she gave the median of 3.7 percent l. She also posted that there was a max of 30 percent. She was trying to argue what you are but then actually proved my point. There are regions where the percentage is 30 percent. Also it doesn't matter 5 percent or 30 percent. A single case of paternity fraud is one too many, and like one in twenty fathers are victims of paternity fraud. That's a lot of fathers. So please do not dismiss this on the basis that there is no credibility. Y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 09:39 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate It actually depends where you look. The median across NA suggests a median of 3.7 percent of babies. But the upper limit across the data set is 30 percent for some regions and very low percentages for others. It seems like an exaggeration but there absolutely are areas where the rate is that high. Now overall it's 3.7 percent. But still - one in twenty ish men being a victim of paternity fraud is a lot of men. So whether it's around 5 percent or 25 percent hardly matters. This is a grave injusti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 09:32 PM
1	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. You didn't read what I said. A lot of men are victims and do not know they are victims / do not know they should get a paternity test. Let me be clear here. 1 in 20 fathers are victims of paternity fraud. Of that group of fathers some have no idea (most even). These people go about their lives living a lie and being taken advantage of. This is a very large group of men who we should absolutely stand up for. Making the test available does not give these men justice. Only mandatory testing does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 09:23 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate I would argue that one in twenty ish men (median) being a victim of paternity fraud is a pretty big deal. It's actually a very systemic issue but as with all men's rights, it gets crushed for being misogynistic because men these days are weak, spineless, and unwilling to speak up for what's right. As a society we cannot allow abuse of this magnitude. I think very low of your qualities, morals, values, and strength. It actually makes me want to puke a little in my mouth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 09:20 PM
2	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. What about empathy for the one in 25 men who are victims of paternity fraud? Up to one in three men in certain areas of the us? What about men who don't know they aren't the father? So never think to get a test? Testing should be mandatory so that there is no infidelity or accusations. Just factual evidence and the right names on the birth certificate. It's the only fair thing for both parties.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 08:35 PM
1	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. No that's not true. Because a lot of men won't find out they aren't the father. Either ignorant stupid or close enough genetically. These men never find justice because they are ignorant to being a victim, yet they raise children who are not their own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 08:33 PM
1	SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child. Solution 3: mandatory paternity testing because the median says 3.7 percent of babies are born with the wrong father on the birth certificate - which means effectively the median states one in twenty five men are victims of fraud. We need to protect these men from fraud. The only way to protect these men from fraud is mandatory testing at birth. In some areas studies show that 30 percent of babies are born with a different father on the certificate. Others less. 32 percent of all paternity tests…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 08:31 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Nothing to say now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 08:26 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Them being ignorant to being a victim does not make it okay to commit fraud	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 08:11 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Okay so what about men who do not question paternity? They are victims of fraud but receive no justice because they are trusting and naive. These victims do not know they are victims. To allow them to be victims is no different from saying that a woman was not sexually assaulted because the assault happened when she was sleeping.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 07:47 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate Correct, and where did you get me saying otherwise? I corrected myself The median is 3.7 percent and some of the studies included in that median says 30 percent BORN (from low single digits to 30 percent at worst to calculate the median of 3.7 percent). So it's actually across the board depending where you look in the country and what data set you use but I was willing to concede this. There are studies that show 30 percent born. I'm not looking to argue the exact numbers, my point is paternity …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 07:30 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Those are all valid questions and my answer is I do not know. You can look at how the two US states which have passed mandatory paternity testing have funded it. It's already been done. This is a diversion from the point though because how you pay for it is different from why it should be done. It's not so all you have to do is go to a drug store. As you just ignored there are victims who do not know to go to the drug store. The median says 4 percent of all fathers are victims of paternity fraud…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 07:29 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate It did not blow last me, that is a silly argument and let me tell you why. Not all men will know they are not the father. They will not think to get a paternity test done. The only way for a victim who does not know they are a victim is mandatory paternity testing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 06:43 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Because that puts men in an uncomfortable position. Women hold the relationship over their heads for getting paternity tests done when the reasoning for doing so is reasonable. Women are the only ones who have paternity certainty so do not comprehend the male position. Their opinion is to disregard the man's feelings when the data shows that when men are unsure they are right 32 percent of the time and also that across the whole population 3.7 percent of children have the wrong father on the bir…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 06:39 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate I'm not insecure at all. I am simply advocating for the rights of those who are wronged. You appear to be very insecure because the idea that a man would question paternity is so outlandish and wrong to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 06:24 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate I hope you finish replying because the fact is now two states have disagreed with you, and these men deserve justice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 06:04 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You are claiming it is not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 06:02 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate No I'm saying the hospital should do paternity when the child is born as standard practice before the father signs a legally binding document. They should check to see if he is even a valid candidate to sign the document. I agree a wrong man should feel bad. But I also think that justice for those who were wronged matters. Your argument is that because only a subset of fathers are not the father that we shouldn't do paternity tests. Well the majority of deathrow inmates did commit the crime so w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:59 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Limiting claims is limiting costs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:47 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You are trying to insinuate that getting a paternity test is forking over your genetic info which is an entirely different discussion and quite a stretch at that. You can buy paternity tests in pharmacies... It is okay to be insecure and it turns out the median rate is quite high with some rates in some places being close to 30 percent. You are right we should be more trusting, but the fact is we are human and it's okay to be insecure. The data shows these insecurities are justified because we l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:44 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate He did say limiting claims as the second reason. He did not use the same words.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:41 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate And that's why mandatory paternity testing is important. Because he shouldn't be put in the position to make that decision it is abusive and gives the woman full control.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:36 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate I linked a video where the interviewed states the reason why and limiting after the fact claims is the second reason he gave	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:35 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate Read what I am saying please you are ignorant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:34 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate It's not three. The median is 3.7 across studies with some studies saying up to 30 percent. It depends where the studies were taken. So 30 percent is true for some areas and overall it's closer to 4 percent - but medians are also a poor representation. The fact is in some areas it is over 30 percent and in others it's near zero. The fact is paternity fraud is on 3.7 median and that means like 1/25 men are victims of paternity fraud More men are victims of paternity fraud than women are of sexual…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:34 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Prove it is not?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:32 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate There actually is no burden of proof on me because I actually have nothing to prove here. A median of 3.7 percent paternity fraud is a horrible travesty of justice for men regardless of the court costs to society. But to humor you, his name is carnell smith and here is one of his interviews: https://youtu.be/eeOtmQhNxwc?t=327	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:24 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate I'm just quoting the reason for mandatory paternity testing was put into law in Tennessee. I'm quoting an interview from one of the lawyers who spoke on the reasons why	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:10 PM
-1	The problem with the paternity test debate Correct I acknowledged that. The median is 3.7 percent with some studies saying up to 30 percent and others much less. The fact is even 1/20 1/25 children is rampant fraud and these men deserve justice	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 05:00 PM
1	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? You have a misunderstood view of the red pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:59 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The answer is to subject the entire population because it's cheaper than servicing court costs from the 3.7 percent median. That's what the lawyer who passed the bill in the US state proved	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:58 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Yes you are right. But 2 percent is a lot It's actually a median of 3.7 percent across many studies. Some found 30 percent, others much less	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:57 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate 32 percent of men who get paternity tests are not the father. Also how is 6 percent of all births not a problem again? That's literally 1/20 men being victims of paternity fraud. That's more than women who are victims of sexual assault lmfao	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:56 PM
1	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? And what does objectifying women and having a transactional relationship have anything to do with the red pill? I fail to see any rational argument there. I am very familiar with attachment styles, how are these relevant to the red pill?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:53 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Get rekt bimbo	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:51 PM
-1	The problem with the paternity test debate But read the further discussion. The median is 3.7 percent with some studies saying 30 percent. The fact is whether it's 3.7 percent or 30 percent really doesn't matter. Because justice for 1/30 of all men with children is a lot of justice to doll out. The actual numbers do not matter and arguing them is grasping as straws. The fact is paternity fraud is rampant and these men deserve justice, whether it's 1/3 men, 1/5 men or 1/30 men	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:50 PM
1	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? That is true same sex relationships are a thing. But 97.7 percent of women identify as heterosexual so it's moot lmao. Because your advice isn't valid in today's landscape and is hurting men. You also come in here actively shitting on the advice that works (get fit, successful, have social status) and that confuses these men even more. You are dating a man that by all intents and purposes ascribes by the pillars of the red pill and yet you say blue pill. It's delusional	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:46 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Yes and the distinction is irrelevant, because paternity fraud is rampant. From your own data the median is 3.7. the upper bound is 30 percent which is 1/3. So in some places in the USA it's 1/3 and in other places it's 1/30 (,3.7 percent) You are literally grasping at straws because the fact is paternity fraud is rampant and these men deserve justice	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:43 PM
-1	The problem with the paternity test debate The median is three percent. The upper bound is 30 percent. You are also misrepresenting that data. Also I would say justice for something that affects like 1/20 to 1/30 men is important and we should strive for it You are trying to minimize the gravity of the situation and the fact is paternity fraud is rampant. Whether it's 1/30 or 1/10 makes no difference, it's way too high	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:41 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate You didn't. But you don't seem to care that literally one in twenty men are being abused.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:39 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate The median says 3.5 percent of children are paternity fraud. So justice for 1/20 men with children isn't worth it because they are the minority? You don't happen to support LGBTQ rights do you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:38 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate Do not make assumptions I'm in my mid thirties. 1/20 men ( the median ) are raising a child that is not his. And you think protecting women's feelings is more important than justice for 1 20th of the male population. You are delusional. You just tried to discredit rampant paternity fraud on the basis that I am young and you observe people's children looking like their parents. What an absurd and manipulative argument	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:34 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate And I said that 32 percent of paternity tests say not the father. Those are different things. When a father is not sure of paternity he is right 32 percent of the time	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:25 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate I said paternity tests. That stat isn't paternity tests	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:20 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate 32 percent of all paternity tests say not the father. You are right I may have misspoke, I was quoting the lawyer on the news the other day. He's the lawyer who pushed for mandatory paternity testing in the US state that just passed that into law. The fact is paternity fraud is rampant. And unfortunately it's not okay for women to deny paternity tests because it makes them feel bad - 32 percent of the time the men wanting a test are justified.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:19 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate It's not folding. It's refusing to engage in an irrational discussion. You can easily google the data yourself. My first google result says 32 percent of paternity tests say not the father. We can argue what demographics this applies to, is this USA, is this a black neighborhood in an impoverished area, is this upper middle class, etc. I just don't want to because that is stupid and taking away from the point: paternity fraud is rampant and you cannot dismiss that fact because I do not want to d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 04:11 PM
1	The problem with the paternity test debate That's what I'm saying - it's cheaper for the government...	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 03:40 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate No the data shows they are lol. Out of all the tests it is 30 percent not the father https://dnatesting.com/30-of-men-not-the-father/	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 03:21 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate It is actually cheaper because what is costly is the court proceedings determining paternity after the fact	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 03:18 PM
1	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? I never said you were together just for sex. Men rate sex as the number one important thing in a relationship, your hubby isn't any different. I was just saying that you check that box for him Also he doesn't sound super high value himself so perhaps he just took what he can get. You are downplaying his achievement and that's in line with your own value as people tend to mate associatively long term. This doesn't help short term people like those dating in their 20s. The thing you didn't acknowl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 03:16 PM
-2	The problem with the paternity test debate Oh sure, it's 32 percent according to some labs. So why are we not granting paternity requests to men when they question paternity - they're right 1/3 of the time?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 02:56 PM
0	The problem with the paternity test debate What do you mean deprive? It's saving 25 percent of men from the requirement to raise a child that isn't theirs. In fact mandatory paternity testing gives men individual liberty. They can actually choose and make informed choices to stick around	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 02:52 PM
-5	The problem with the paternity test debate Stop changing the topic and being manipulative. Capitalization is also used for effect to highlight key words. I'm done with talking about it because you are using it to try to dismiss what I said. Contrary to how you feel it has no impact to taking what I say seriously that is an argumentative fallacy . Stop being manipulative because you are hard to take seriously My point is that you are grasping at straws. It doesn't matter what demographic if overall paternity fraud is estimated to be at ov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 02:50 PM
-7	The problem with the paternity test debate There is no shouting. Please do not change the topic. US of A If you are looking for specific data on those look it up. The 25 percent statistic is quoted from the lawyer who was in the news recently because one US state just made paternity testing mandatory. https://www.saveservices.org/2024/02/paternity-fraud-continues-to-be-a-problem-although-progress-is-being-made/#:~:text=Some%20studies%20estimate%20that%20as,child%20who%20is%20not%20his. Some studies estimate over 30 percent It's really th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 02:38 PM
-10	The problem with the paternity test debate Also the rate of paternity fraud is over 25 percent of all children born. Let's not forget that fact and put it all on the father's trauma instead, which is absurd. You tried to blame the father when the insecurities ARE VALID	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 02:30 PM
-3	The problem with the paternity test debate The issue is that over 25 percent of all children born have the wrong father on the birth certificate. This is not a joke, it's actually this bad. This is one reason why men here are so big on not dating 304s. One if four men are cuckolded. You say the assumption is not to trust, but the fact is paternity fraud is so pervasive there is over a 1 in 4 chance for it to occur. There is a real reason why trust should not be the default Mandatory testing before the birth certificate is signed would so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 02:26 PM
1	The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women are No hate here??	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 01:15 PM
1	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? At your age it doesn't matter. You are trying to compare dating at the end of the road to the experience of the people here which are in their 20s. Yes, a man with adult children just wants sex from his partner. You give that because you like sex. He's not looking to have children soooo???	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 12:14 PM
1	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? And do you think people who are red pilled are not wonderful kind loving people? The fact is by working out to be relatively fit your own partner who you love dearly and let cream you in your kinky sex sessions is following the red pill in that way. One pillar of the three he has nailed down with his fitness. It's not about being a body builder. The red pill teaches that being too big can work against you because that puts you into the niche category. The second pillar is money and he has a good…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 01:59 AM
1	What advice would you give a man who claims he has "tried everything" I agree with you. I just wanted to say that pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and putting yourself out there isn't the solution, compensating by putting in effort is. And short kings really got to compensate. I'm fully red pill here man. You aren't going to see me telling people to give up. I'm gonna say be the best you can fucking be you pussy bitch. I'm not some black pilled doomer. I grinded my ass off and now I have a wonderful partner. Cannot complain	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 01:51 AM
1	The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women are I agree with you. I was a virgin but then I gained looks money and status and had 8 first dates scheduled within 2 weeks of updating my photos on dating apps. I had status and and money because I grinded my engineering career. The looks came after because quite honestly I had no idea women were so shallow. My dad was a good looking guy, so was I. Just a little chubby because I liked computers and sat on a computer. Well apparently that meant I was one of those virgin losers so I couldn't get a d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/24 01:49 AM
1	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? Is he fit, muscular, good career? The object thing has nothing to do with red pill, nor progressive ideas??	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 10:36 PM
2	Would you date a woman that can’t set boundaries but can make her relationship known? Dude is probably red pilled hard and you are the girl of his dreams. Naive and kinky so you fall on his dick and treat him like a king just like the red pill says will happen when you have looks money and status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 10:22 PM
2	What advice would you give a man who claims he has "tried everything" Indeed. Short kings need to compensate and hard. It's the sad reality of the situation. That's why they're either the jester, too jacked for their frame, or rich.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 08:53 PM
-3	The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women are Only a few men high five eachother for it. Man whores are looked down upon just as much as sluts and whores who are women. Most men actually care about the family unit, LTRs, and see sex as something shared between two people who actually want to build something together. Where do you get this idea that men high five eachother? Whores of any gender are looked down on (but also envied which confuses you)	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 07:44 PM
–	The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women are The delusion hey. This is what modern women have become 🤮	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 07:41 PM
14	The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women are There is nothing wrong about telling it how it is. Being a whore is a choice. Being an incel is not - it's in the definition "involuntary". Single moms are less valuable as are virgin men. It's just a fact	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 05:56 PM
1	Only telling men to self improve is bad advice Don't listen to op. He said it's not reality that once you bench 225 and make money you will get a woman but my experience says otherwise For context j spent 4.5 years getting ghosted on apps. Couldn't get even the fat chicks to accept a date invitation. Well after 4.5 years I was working at Microsoft. Making the big bucks. I weight lifted for 6 months, updated my photos, and had 8 first dates scheduled within two weeks of doing so. I accepted second dates with three of those 8 and all three wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 03:46 PM
1	How about some slightly less depressing, how should a guy healthily meet someone in 2024? You make yourself desirable as a man by having looks money and status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 03:37 PM
1	Most of the advice here just tells men to NOT be proactive in finding a girlfriend The advice here is not to chase women. It's to chase being attractive to women. Because frankly women choose first. My experience following this advice was that women started throwing their pussies at me. It works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 03:08 PM
1	Buy the numbers; Women have far less options than it's perceived. My completely mid woman friend had 999+ on her matches list on dating apps. I took 4.5 years to get a first date. It wasn't until I got muscular and updated my photos that I even was graced with the right to date a woman. I'm easily more attractive than her. This girl went from being a sweet, caring woman to trying out the ice cream flavors (her words) complaining about missing her 'prime' all the while still living with her (ex) boyfriend of 10 years since highschool. Whom just wanted to be lov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 03:07 PM
11	What advice would you give a man who claims he has "tried everything" Studies show that a 6'3 man has on average 0.5 other male competitors for the same woman. A man 5'5" has about 130. It's 260 times harder for a 5'5" man to get a woman than it is for a 6'3" man. A lot of these shorter men are also Asian, and 50 percent of Asian women prefer white men in North America. You are actually incredibly wrong here, so please stop spreading misinformation. Your view of how mating works is wrong. Your reluctance to see how difficult it is just makes it neigh impossible fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/24 02:49 PM
–	When women tell men "you need to vet better" what are these men realistically supposed to even be doing different? Agreed. Women can survive being hurt. More men need to do it and I think more men need to be able to spot bad behavior AND have the strength to say something. Our society has made speaking out against things that are wrong difficult however and so the men that can spot right from wrong and have the balls to do something are dwindling. Guys put the pussy on a pedestal and lose their truth, allowing themselves to be manipulated in the process. (For instance criticism of womend behavior being inval…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/24 07:48 PM
–	When women tell men "you need to vet better" what are these men realistically supposed to even be doing different? I think we share a lot of the same opinions. I just wanted to share my perspective and it appears we are in line I agree most men do not know their value or have standards. And these men are not holding the women they date accountable. In my comment I added how the red pill teaches men what is right and to hold women accountable. This is actually a big part of female arousal (my partner says she's most turned on when we argue because I won't accept any of her womanly ways. But red pilled men are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/24 06:48 PM
–	When women tell men "you need to vet better" what are these men realistically supposed to even be doing different? It's a Catch-22 because unless the man is in the top echelon of men, he does not get to vet. He takes what he can get and for the majority of men it's the best they can do. They're just happy to have someone and will accept abuse. This is where a lot of red pill advice comes in. Body count matters, find your ugly duckling, a woman without male friends, a woman coming from a good family, no trauma, and all of these other factors such as a woman below your league all contribute to a happier health…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/24 05:19 PM
1	Inexperienced men should not be very forthcoming about their sexual history Recall that you failed to answer a basic question. Do not divert the discussion to be about my intelligence. The answer you are looking for is "no, I did not tell her". Your reasoning for not doing so is irrelevant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/24 01:57 PM
1	Inexperienced men should not be very forthcoming about their sexual history Are you projecting your finger banging with your essays? You avoided the question. You said it was not appropriate to bring up before first intimacy. For one, that's an opinion and two, it's not the topic at hand. I do not wish to discuss if it is appropriate or not. I asked you a very specific question. Your lack of answer, use of argumentative fallacies like changing the topic tell me you kept it to yourself. Own up to it 😂	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 11:45 PM
2	Inexperienced men should not be very forthcoming about their sexual history So you didn't tell her 😂	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 09:31 PM
2	Inexperienced men should not be very forthcoming about their sexual history Except you did lose your virginity. And that age is normal for men. It's a tad late but only by a year or two. Did you tell your first? And be honest	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 08:35 PM
7	Widespread internet usage killed romance, not feminism or the economy Women having sexual selection killed romance. Because the data shows that when given sexual selection women only go for the top percentile of males. It has nothing to do with romance and everything to do with finding a mate who is attractive to women. Psych studies have proven and even quantified how important every trait is for a potential male partner. How romantic a man is has almost nothing to do with it at all 😂	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 08:25 PM
2	Relationship experience is overrated and essentially meaningless Women who have had sex a thousand times by 30 (conservative here...) won't want to have sex with a man who never has. It's not overrated at all. Women also behave quite a bit different from men. Even down to how they structure their sentences and the words they choose. Being able to communicate with men and women differently is a skill that people with relationship experience do without noticing. Also, it's difficult to be a leader in the relationship if you don't know what you are doing. Every …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 08:16 PM
1	Inexperienced men should not be very forthcoming about their sexual history Yes. Because not knowing how to take a girl to pound town who has herself been having sex for years and had sex hundreds of times is weird as fuck	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 03:07 PM
2	Inexperienced men should not be very forthcoming about their sexual history Then why are you blue pilled? The advice I gave is the definition of red pill. I used to be blue pilled, and I spent 4.5 years on apps without a single date. So I red pilled myself, followed the red pill, and then validated it through my own experiences. From how women behave, to the psychology of attraction, I found experimentally that the red pill was facts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 01:45 PM
7	Men need to learn to be happy being single Being loved is considered a human need. Women get it by nature of being a woman, men need to work for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 06:39 PM
11	Inexperienced men should not be very forthcoming about their sexual history For all the virgin incels here, this was my experience as a former late bloomer who found success and an amazing partner Was a little chubby, didn't have much luck as a young adult. Tried dating a little but I had some social anxiety. Well this turned me into being your age without any experience. Had a great career though. Well I started dating apps. Got ghosted for years. Girls wouldn't want to message me last a few messages. Those that did message more would not accept date invitations. Even …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 04:59 PM
1	Men complaining in a free market where nature chooses will only fall on deaf ears You literally have a red pill take and then also ask why men are here talking with women, it's because the women refuse to acknowledge the truth that mate selection is competitive and for men looks money and game are the ways to get there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/24 01:09 AM
1	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? You have demonstrated that you do not know what the red pill is. A man shoots up something. Because he is tired of the world and the way he has been treated. He can't get a girlfriend and there is nothing he can do so he shoots up a school. That is a black pill take. He has no other choice. The red pill take would be three things. To improve my situation I can become more physically attractive - it is in my control. It is my choice not to be more physically attractive therefore I need to put in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 06:26 PM
1	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? I mentioned toxic masculinity because in my opinion that is where the misogyny comes from in those who identify as red pilled but are really just toxic My definition of the red pill is not limited. I deeply understand the three sun types of red pill and I actually believe in all three. There is the looks red pill, the status red pill, and the game red pill. I think looks status and the ability to seduce are all important. And I mean seduction not just in terms of intimate seduction such as kino …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 05:49 PM
0	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? I am not denying the misogyny is there. I am denying that the red pill is misogynistic. There are misogynistic men, the red pill is not misogynistic. You may feel the red pill had changed but that's an opinion. I think it's convenient for you to associate toxic masculinity with the red pill to deny red pill beliefs which are backed by science	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 04:55 PM
2	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? No it's actually you who is cherry picking. You are cherry picking 5 extremists out of millions and drawing conclusions from that. I am in fact doing the opposite The red pill is 100 percent science backed. Anything that is found to be incorrect is no longer red pill. The red pill is opening your mind to truths our world has. From how people think to how they act to how they respond. If something red pill is deemed wrong it's no longer red pill. For one please educate yourself on what the pills …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 04:41 PM
2	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? I do get to discard data points. That's what the exception makes the rule is. Do you know the effective rate of red pill shooters compared to other shooters (such as black male in Compton)? Do you see how shallow your argument is? You are saying that because 5 or 6 instances of shootings have been attributed to toxic masculinity that the red pill is invalid. But what about the millions of men who have greatly improved their quality of life by following the red pill. You are completely out of lin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 04:29 PM
2	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? I'm not ignoring that part I heard you. I just don't agree that the actions of a few deranged people have anything to do with the laws of attraction which are well studied in psychology and demonstrably proven. This is where you have gone wrong. I agree that hurt, young, desperate, confused, radicalized men are bed. However I know the red pill and none of that comes from the red pill. Your points are well articulated but there is no support because they are fallacious and irrational for the reas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 03:08 PM
0	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? What someone says is not what the red pill says. So they are different things. What you have said is irrational	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 02:12 PM
2	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? No you are drawing a clear connection between the actions of the few commiting violence. This is exception makes the rule fallacy. Because you are using the actions of the few to make a claim against the whole. You are bringing up the shootings done by a select few to say the red pill in its entirety is misogynistic because there was a shooting. You are completely irrational here and arguing in what's called bad faith within debate. You'd be tossed out	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 02:10 PM
2	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? That is a logical fallacy. Let's please have a rational discussion. For one you are trying to say the exception makes the rule. And secondly what the red pill teaches has nothing to do with shooting people. So you're a little off your rockers there	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/24 03:36 AM
2	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? Care to explain? A fact of human behavior cannot by definition be misogynistic/misandrist, even if that fact paints a specific gender in a negative light.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 09:11 PM
2	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? Oh true, thought you were another poster. Let me clarify There is no virulent misogyny in the red pill. There are people who say misogynistic things and that's what I was getting at regarding Andrew Tate. You say complete rejection of reality, but the red pill is only reality as demonstrably proven. It's based in fact through plenty of research and studies. If anything that is red pill is deemed incorrect, it is simply no longer red pill. There are people who state incorrect facts. To come full …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 06:39 PM
3	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? It's actually you who is deflecting. You are deflecting the red pill under the basis that Andrew Tate says misogynistic things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 06:19 PM
0	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? The fact that they are obvious does not detract from the validity or accuracy of the red pill or change what the red pill means. Who are these red pill podcasters you speak of? Andrew Tate is not a red pill podcaster. He says red pill things. What you are doing is a logical fallacy. People who say red pill things who also say misogynistic things does not make the red pill misogynistic. It does not depend on what you define the red pill. The red pill only has one definition. Any truth to the worl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 06:14 PM
2	It takes a high level of intelligence to not be against dating or having children with someone who’s had a lot of sex Agreed. Casual sex is vapid fleeting risky hurtful impulsive undisciplined. It shows poor self esteem and limited self control and little ability to be forward thinking. All the traits I want to avoid in my partners whom I am looking forward to building something with. Hoes are for the streets, male or female. Promiscuity is disgusting	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 04:47 PM
2	Why do you assume bluepill=simp ? None of that is red pill though. It sounds like your problem is with people, not the red pill at all	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 04:44 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. The fact that I wrote messages has nothing to do with the accuracy of what I am saying. This is another form of manipulation you are attempting. See, I know how your brain works. Please stay on topic	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 10:47 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Given how you have debated with me I don't think you know what debunking is. It's like the argument that hey I know a girl who dated a broke man so hypergamy must be false. Not realizing that by saying that to discredit is a logical fallacy specifically the exception does not make the rule. You are not aware of this but women are actually very good at manipulation in this form. But most lack the self awareness to identify it in their behavior. If you were to read the things you wrote you would f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 10:41 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. No evolutionary psychology is a term some men's groups use. The study of psychology is only one part of the red pill, and it's not even a big one because as I said the red pill is just knowledge itself. It is people who bring up pseudoscience. The facts are the red pill. If you honestly believe the red pill is all garbage have you ever considered actually reading studies on mate selection? Evolution or not there are plenty of real psychologists who have taken the time to study it for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 10:32 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. No you try to explain the world in an over simplistic way. "It's just love". Honey, it doesn't work that way. You are a meat bag filled with hormones. There are some people who are red pilled who explain the world in an over simplistic way. But the red pill really just is the human knowledge. Anything that explains a truth of our existence is red pill. The red pill is the collection of human knowledge. You can't even debate against the red pill because it is truth itself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 10:23 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. They are red pill because they follow what the red pill teaches, whether or not they wish to acknowledge it or not. They are in fact red pilled. Either through life experience or taught by their fathers. Do you know what the red pill is? It's just knowledge of how things really work. Take the blue pill and live in delusion or take the red pill and see the world for what it is. The red pill just describes human behavior with the veil lifted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 10:15 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Except he embodies what the red pill teaches. So that doesn't make any sense at all. I think you have misrepresented what the red pill is to him. The science of attraction is not negotiable nor ridiculous. I agree that a lot of red pillers are losers, but to not continue to be a loser they need the red pill. Because a man who has looks, money, status will be attractive to women. It's what rustles your proverbial jimmies. In a prior part of my life I went like 4 and a half years without a first d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 10:07 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. You literally are fucking chief redpill so sit down, have a glass of wine, and accept your new perception of how the world and human behavior actually works 🥂	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 09:58 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Later. Glad you finally realized you were wrong	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 09:51 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Men are like islands and women are like boats. Make an island that women want to dock their boats at. No one wants to stay at an island that does not have much to do, or an island where there are better islands in view. You docked your boat at your partner's island because he has a nice island. Stop going on here telling confused young men that these views are wrong because it paints women in a negative light and you find that offensive. You are the problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 09:45 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. He is the definition of red pill. And accepting that hurts too much because you have been running around here shit talking people who just want to be like your partner. It is in fact you who cannot accept reality 😌	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 09:30 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. I am not saying that they need to, I just want you to be a good listener and admit that yes your relationship follows the pattern. Because on paper it does. You can insult me or make assumptions about me and my life all you want. Live out your own fantasy that you are accusing me of living. That's okay I do not mind. I know that hearing that your relationship follows what the red pill teaches men is difficult and downright offensive. But I want you to listen for a moment and think about why I th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 03:11 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. That is a form of manipulation. Those are not my words not my beliefs. You are in fact putting words in my mouth and debating in bad faith. I am sorry that you are this hurt by our conversation to debate in such an irrational way. I really enjoyed our conversation	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 03:05 AM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Hotter younger purer is not what the red pill teaches men to aspire to. It's not that black and white. You are younger than him! Men like youth. You are decades younger than him! That box is checked ✅. Men want the least amount of commitment for the most amount of sex - you want no official commitment and you love sex ✅ He is older and already has kids - doesn't care about your purity any more. He just wants someone easy going who wants to bang. He will foot your bill as long as you stay that wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 11:02 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Your partner is a multi millionaire, he is much older than you, from everything you describes he appears to embody every principle that the red pill teaches struggling men. "Keep on your grind, women want men with status, focus on your health and fitness, be confident and assertive, good in bed" (hundreds of more teachings - men are like islands and women are like boats so make your island the best it can be so that women want to stay there) My question to you is: Why do you hate on red pillers …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 10:50 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. You are right that does change things. It does still align with my world view. And even with the change it describes the red pill perfectly. I'm not doing everything I can. That presumes some sort of desperation. I am actually ecstatic that we had this conversation and I have no issues being wrong about your youth. Men's prerogative is least amount of commitment for the most amount of sex. You appear to have learned that and meet his needs for that. Why I keep responding is I'm hoping you will s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 10:43 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. That's how you feel right now. He is the perfect man. Successful, sexual, good in bed. You are an amazing woman who earned him. And you are. Congratulations 🎉 The cost you are paying is your youth. You might not see it now or understand where I am coming from and that's okay. I would actually wager your partner is a red piller. Especially if he is muscular/attractive to boot. Because he would hit all the checkboxes. If he wasn't formally red pilled through men's channels his life embodies what t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 10:32 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Please come back to what I said another time after reflection. The red pill teaches us that women seek the highest value mate they can. You picked a millionaire The red pill teaches us that men get into relationships for access to sex, and women for commitment. You are okay without a ring. You are giving him what he wants at the cost of yourself, just like you gave yourself to many other men. He is okay with keeping the status quo because you are meeting his prerogative - most sex for least effo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 10:19 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. I never said they didn't exist, please point out where I did. You say doubling down but it never happened	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 10:12 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. And that's why he doesn't care with you in particular. He gets sex with no commitment. What you just said is pure red pill. You are living a red pill caricature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 10:10 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Also I think he is probably just being nice about your past. He knows it would be a bad look for him to be authentic and say he cared about your history. It would also upset you. He is probably a good man and so he lied to you. I have never met a man who truly didn't care. There are only men who do not want to admit that they care in public because it's quite a decisive topic these days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 10:07 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Two wrongs do not make a right. So yes I do expect you to be better than them. They are alone, misunderstood, unheard, frustrated. The fact that you think it's okay for you to not show kindness is another low quality value to go along with the promiscuity. Are you married though? Do you have kids with him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 10:01 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. If he had no issues then he would have higher standards, why fuck a prostitute when you can bag a 10. He just didn't want you to label him as an incel because he is insecure about being one. And a lot of people here shut down people on the premise of them just being an incel. So in an effort to be heard he projected him being an incel by getting defensive about having access to sex before it was necessary. He probably lied.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 09:57 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Why does them looking down on you and calling you a hoe bother you? Are you a hoe? That sounds more like you being uncomfortable with yourself. Otherwise it would just bounce off. You know it in your heart body count matters to men who are high value, so you get offended because the truth hurts I'm one of those top income earners, just toured around wine country picking up cases and cases. I wouldn't date a woman with a lot of bodies because I can date a woman without. So for instance I chose a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 09:52 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. A guy who actually just sleeps with a bunch of women and actually has a bunch of encounters. Knows seduction, uses it to get in bed, and leaves. I made this very clear. The comment you gave me indicates the desire to have sex with anything. I told you that I would consider that coming from desperation not actual success doing so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 09:38 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. That is putting words in my mouth. You did not listen to what I said. I said that good men, the men you want, that value integrity, building relationships, do not want something fleeting and short term. These are not fuckboys. They look down on men and women who do seek casual encounters. Why? Because they know that those encounters are fleeting and vapid. They sooth an itch but only temporarily. These men do not value promiscuity as a result. Then there are fuckboys and promiscuous women who ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 09:28 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Actually fucking a lot of women is different from saying you are open to fucking a lot of women. That is my point and it is not mental gymnastics. I think you should read what I am writing with a little more openness to learn my pov. Men who can fuck a lot of women know it, and usually have high standards as a result. So they don't fuck low value women anyway. But then you have high value women who give into fuck boys and it lowers their value to high value men who aren't fuck boys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 09:16 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. That doesn't make him a fuckboy. And actually it does agree with me. In an earlier comment I told you that a man would fuck a prostitute but wouldn't marry one. He agreed with me. I wouldn't fuck a prostitute because I value class, hold myself to a high standard, know I can do better, care about my health, care about fostering a relationship and building a life worth living in general. None of that comes from casual sex. It's also why I look down on promiscuous women, because women who are promi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 09:01 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Yes I agree with you, not everyone. That was not accurate. But judging a hoe is a very common thing and you should understand that until the sexual revolution it was the dominant thought. The exception does not make the rule and the rule is hoes and man whores are looked down on (contrary to what people think, men look down on fuck boys too). Your mistake is that you attribute their derogatory words as hatred of women when in fact these people are just frustrated. The way you interpret what they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 08:19 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. No one likes hoes, men or women. Being disrespectful to whores is not hating all women, which is what you are trying to equate it to. The tone was also likely flippant and humorous. You read it as hate in liue of tonality and body language, and your perceptions that red pilled men hate women. That's called projection.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 06:21 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. You are right it is not correct logically, but I said colloquially. That phrase community property is used correctly in this context. In the guy world a hoe is community property. You attributed hatred to the statement, but it's actually disgust. The man was disgusted at the woman's behavior. Both men and women slit shame, because both men and women are disgusted by whores. My point is that it's not hatred. It's disgust. That man was deeply authentic and open. Hoes gross him out so he used commu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 05:13 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. By definition of a woman has been around then she is basically community property. He just called it as he saw it in a direct way. You feel it's an insult because it's direct, but it's actually just a fact. He correctly used a colloquial term for hoe in a fun way. No man wants to stick their penis where a lot of penises have been. It's biological. It makes me physically sick to my stomach to even think of sticking my dick in an escort or prostitute. It can be arousing and erotic to see it, think…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 04:35 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. That's not hatred of women, that's describing their disgust at promiscuity. Which is just how men feel. They shared their feelings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 04:28 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. That's not red pill though. Also respectful in how they talk about women is not hating women. I see a lot of frustration here in the words used to observe women's behavior and the words used to describe the dating market. Women see this as hatred because if you weren't aware men and women speak differently. Men speak more directly and women more indirectly. Which means women come to interpret that direct language in an indirect way that is not real or intended in liue of tone and body language. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 03:47 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Sure but the real issue is misattribution of manosphere types and toxic masculinity types with the red pill. It's sad that so many people here think the red pill is about hating women. That's more black pill. The red pill celebrates women for what they are, identifies their strengths and weaknesses and how to navigate that	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 11:41 PM
1	CMV: People put way more more sexual performance pressure on men than on women. Red pill is actually optimistic about women and cherishes women. There are just frustrated men. Whoever does what you describe is not a red piller even if they identify as one	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 12:37 PM
7	Why men today struggle in dating Even the land whales would ghost unfortunately! I was okay with a bigger girl, I just wanted someone to love and provide for and understood all the nutrition and metabolic reasons that lead to obesity. So I had a lot of empathy for bigger girls. They'd pick the skinny guy over me!	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 02:13 AM
2	Most men just need to get laid. And social justice/modern culture has ruined their chances a lot. Yes it is a bit of confirmation bias, but I also picked a good one and knew that she would see my point of view and understand that she was withholding intimacy. She did. More knowledge is a good thing though, so I don't agree with your analogy completely. I knew all the tricks the ladies play. Their goal is least amount of sex for the most amount of commitment (to their detriment because their brain says they love hot erotic sex) and men was more sex for less. It's just the game. Now we're on a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 02:10 AM
3	Most men just need to get laid. And social justice/modern culture has ruined their chances a lot. While that's all well and true, and I understand and agree with sunk cost fallacy I am also a glutton for punishment. It's why I worked as hard as I did to get to where I am in life. In my case it worked out. But I have also invested a great deal of time learning about how people think. So I disagree with your thoughts that books do not solve everything. Yes - you can't just read a book and be an expert but books can get you really far. A lot of women are unhappy with themselves, they put up wal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 12:30 AM
3	Why men today struggle in dating Then men do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 12:23 AM
2	Why men today struggle in dating I disagree. Coffee effectively every other day is not unreasonable. Also you don't want to miss out on someone you are compatible with, nor do I want to make someone I might mesh well with feel ignored and have her move on. So it was important to me to make time to meet girls who reciprocated interest. I would expect no less from any other decent human being.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 03:42 PM
4	Why men today struggle in dating I think you need to read your last sentence again and then re read the comments you have made. All you have done here is come here attacking people. You're just a deeply insecure bully. You are in fact the one here who needs self awareness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 02:55 PM
12	Why men today struggle in dating Studies actually show that there is a looks threshold that must be crossed before women will consider any other attribute in a male partner, and this effect is even more pronounced when women are seeking LTRs. Your comment is factually false. You are also trying to say that I did not have social skills. This is also not true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 02:51 PM
7	Why men today struggle in dating I tried dating women who were in my ballpark and did lower my standards. For reference I am very conventionally attractive (my sister did modelling for FHM, maxim, and playboy), as I said I was asked out a lot in my early years which is exceptionally rare. I had a bit of a dad bod. Like I said I was never big. But the 30 pounds I lost in three months was all it took to be completely invisible. I grew up with my dad this way. We ate well, I was quite a chef too. I pursued excellence in cooking in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 02:47 PM
10	Why men today struggle in dating There is in fact no surprise. I saw a lot of my friends in their early 20s change their identity. They started going to the gym. I am not a shallow person so I looked down on their inauthenticity. I am just sad that it is the way it is and that women work this way. Because once I did find a LTR I made that woman very happy. She fell deeply in love with me. I raised her up. It's sad because I was there the entire time, girls just kept choosing the men who would hurt them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 02:42 PM
4	Most men just need to get laid. And social justice/modern culture has ruined their chances a lot. That's the easy way out imo. At this point I had read books on female arousal and knew communication was the pathway out of a dead bedroom so that is the route I took. Very difficult conversations however. For reference I agree that is reasonable, that's just not who I am.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 02:32 PM
9	Why men today struggle in dating Because you are unaware of the multitude of studies that show that women care more about physical attractiveness, so your comment is not only dismissive of my experience but also ignorant	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 02:25 PM
9	Why men today struggle in dating Studies show (and this is real life) that women have a looks threshold that must be crossed before they will consider any other attribute in a male partner, and that this effect is even more pronounced when they are seeking a LTR. So their standards are lower if they do not see a long term future. That was however my goal. This is not observed in men. You are trying to say that women are just like men so my experience is moot. Except studies show that they are not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 02:24 PM
3	Why men today struggle in dating I do not see your point of view. There is nothing wrong with meeting someone for coffee. There is no question dodging, I just don't see it relevant. I have no issue with a girl going on a first date with several men in a short time frame. I would question her if she escalated to physical intimacy with multiple men. That's not what happened here so I am unsure why you are so dead set on painting me as a bad person?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 02:19 PM
4	Why men today struggle in dating As opposed to ghosting people because I have too many options? Please read what you wrote and think this through again. Rather than leave these girls on read, I had a coffee with them and gave them a fair shot. It's the least I could do. So please, take your sad attempt to attack my character and leave lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 07:29 AM
9	Why men today struggle in dating How is that the important part? That's changing the topic. I do not care to comment on girls who date multiple men. If you are trying to insinuate that I hurt women and was not honest or had good intentions then you would be grossly wrong. I merely wanted to convey how girls would accept a date invitation more readily after I became Chad. I went from not a single date over 4 years to sending a kiss emoji and a coffee cup with a question mark. It was literally that easy. Prior, I got repeatedly s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 06:38 AM
10	Why men today struggle in dating Hinge is 60-40 actually My experience is mirrored IRL as well, so your point is moot 👍	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 06:29 AM
17	Why men today struggle in dating Lol they are so blissfully unselfaware aren't they. Yes I gained a few pounds and had the same experience after getting into my first LTR.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 06:27 AM
5	Most men just need to get laid. And social justice/modern culture has ruined their chances a lot. Why do you think red pill men want casual sex? These men just want to be desired and lusted after because that boosts their self esteem like any other person who gets that in a relationship with a healthy sex life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 05:45 AM
64	Why men today struggle in dating My experience: Used to be the popular kid in school. Got asked out by a dozen girls my age before grade 9. Started getting a little chubby because I liked computers. Was never big. Well going into highschool I was invisible. Diff highschool. That was cool, I did my thing. I liked computers which was not cool. Got a computer engineering degree. Spent 4 years on apps getting ghosted, never even got a first date. Always someone more attractive to talk to. By this point I had made it to the top of m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 05:42 AM