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But that doesn't solve your supposed problem of sexless men (as evidenced by the existence of this sub). You're also ignoring the fact that women would have the right to marry multiple men if they choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:33 AM
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But again, they are choosing to behave that way. I'd rather stick to punishing them for making that choice. You're also arguing in favor of forcing people to pair up, which I don't support.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:24 AM
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Your comparisons only work if men lack the ability to control their behavior. Is that what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:13 AM
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Eh, I'm indifferent because I don't think men are that shitty and I think it just makes more sense to treat the bad actors like lost causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:57 PM
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But why should those things at stake matter more than the rights of the individual? You bring up circumcision, but the primary argument against that is bodily autonomy. Yet you'd limit autonomy in other areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:56 PM
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We're talking about relationships and sex. Those are individual issues for me. If men really are as horrendous as you claim, I think the better idea would be to place the burden solely on them, rather than the people who don't have issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:41 PM
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I think you're missing the point....I don't aspire to anything either way. I simply support choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 10:19 PM
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😂 Trust me, I am okay with someone like you not viewing me as a serious person. You're the one spouting the end of civilization because some dude can't get his dick wet. I don't personally believe men are that pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 09:08 PM
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I support freedom of choice when it comes to dating and sex, so if society is incompatible with that, then society should collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:50 PM
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Chemical castration might fix the problem. Maybe we should do that to men by default and only allow them to have a libido once a woman has selected them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:45 PM
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If those whiny men were worth choosing already, they would be chosen. Do you plan to force women to date them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:33 PM
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As long as it's informed and consensual, have at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:16 PM
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If all other things were equal, no. Some men are fantastic, but men don't seem to support and love each other the way women do. The whole gender seems very self-loathing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:12 PM
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My favorite man is my husband, but none of the things I love about him are gender-specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:07 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 08:05 PM
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😂 Insert that joke about which word is worse when you can't even say one here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:27 AM
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Well that's my point...I don't know how many ugly men there are, because I don't even look at them. To me, it's just raw numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:00 PM
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When I don't wear makeup, people comment that I look tired and/or ill. I'm a big fan of the no-makeup makeup trend. And being rare is only more noticeable if you're paying attention to everything/everyone in the broader category. I don't really notice unattractive people in any capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:53 PM
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Nope, I'm approaching this as a bisexual woman. On a daily basis, I see more fuckable women than fuckable men. The fact that there are fewer fuckable men does not make the ones who are fuckable somehow moreso, or even special in any real way. And I wear makeup mostly to blend in, not stand out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:47 PM
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Only if they're worth fucking. The attractive ones don't usually need to talk about how they're trying to fuck....they just fuck lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:44 PM
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A bunch according to this sub. Pretty average according to my social circle lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:40 PM
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And I disagree. Effort means nothing in this case, only the end result. This argument just comes across as men trying to make themselves feel better about not being as attractive on average as women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:38 PM
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Do you mean just not giving a fuck? Men seem to confuse apathy with hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:36 PM
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Sure, but that doesn't really change the fact that no one is going to have sex with or date someone they find unattractive. There is no A for effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:33 PM
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What consequences? Men who care about body count won't want me? That's a benefit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:18 PM
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How convenient lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:08 PM
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Hey, if you tolerate racists and bigots just because they're related to you, that's your call. I cut that shit out of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:07 PM
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Can't answer? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:07 PM
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My husband and I are big on the Roaring Twenties, so our wedding rings are engraved with things that F Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald said about each other. "I love her, and that is the beginning and end of everything" "Thanks again for saving me. Someday, I'll save you too"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:15 AM
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Eh, where I'm at there are definitely more attractive women. And I'm bisexual, so I'm just as likely to fuck them as I am to fuck a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:07 AM
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I think you proved my point. You're still more hung up on not being alone than being in a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:57 AM
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It just seems pointless giving any advice if a dude is too afraid lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:55 AM
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Okay..then don't wear makeup? If that's the type of woman you want to attract, what is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:04 AM
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It works IF you're capable of choosing to be alone. So, all you're really telling me is that men are weaker and more dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:02 AM
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My great-grandmother was married off at 13 and making babies by 16. If she tried to tell me that was a good choice for her, she'd be a pedo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:00 AM
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But again, this boils down to desperation. I get the impression that you perceive a woman's standards as a list of achievements to hit, and you'll bust your ass trying to.... instead of just accepting you aren't compatible with her and walking away. We don't care whether you "follow the rules." What you do on your end is your own choice. What I'd LOVE to see are more men having their own standards and enforcing them ruthlessly, because men who do that respect themselves. But as long as you're mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:57 AM
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We broke up in a lot less time after having sex than that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:09 AM
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So why are you with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:08 AM
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I'd leave. No one spends my money without my permission.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:51 AM
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Why does my money need to be used to fix an awkward conversation? Is his money ineffective?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:49 AM
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To accommodate your edit: do you know how breakups work?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:47 AM
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Actively calling out bullshit and putting yourself in the crosshairs. Being willing to lose friends and family. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:45 AM
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Then you should clarify this gender divide you see in terms of appropriate behavior, because you haven't been clear on exactly what is "feminine" and what is "masculine."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:42 AM
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I only had two while living with my mom. First one, he moved and the distance killed it. Second one, I married him lol In either case, I didn't lose interest in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:41 AM
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I'm bisexual. My opinion of what is hot doesn't change based on gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:39 AM
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Ah, see that's where I disagree. The assumption works only in his favor, so he doesn't have to confess that he's unhappy. No assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:26 AM
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Okay....? So again....what is the issue with a man telling the woman he is seeing that he wants to have sex with someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:15 AM
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Because I think men should leave relationships instead of cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:08 AM
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Oh, then I wouldn't see it as jealousy at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:02 AM
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How is tradcon to not see yourself as the property of your parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:00 AM
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Was I obligated to tell them when I had sex? Again, which of us is the tradcon? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:52 AM
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Well as long as you own it. My experience is that men who also got plenty of sex when they were single don't care. I've been with my hubby for more than ten years and I don't think he has ever even asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:49 AM
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Nope. I was already on the pill for hormonal acne, so there was no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:47 AM
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Eh, I think they're going for that at their own peril. If some tradcon heard about my n=5 and thought I equate sex with love, he might be too dumb to be in a relationship with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:46 AM
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Then they should stop mentioning the number lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:43 AM
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But they're allowed to do it to me because...they're a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:40 AM
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Most of you do not have penises worth being envious over 😂 As a child, I was told pretty consistently by the men in my life that the hierarchy is God > men > women. I don't know why you think women invented sexism. I thought men invented everything!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:39 AM
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I've never had either a sexual or romantic relationship with my parents 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:37 AM
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Then they still shouldn't worry about body count. I have friends who have been in love more than me and, therefore, fucked more people than me. Meanwhile, I never equated love with sex, even when I was a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:36 AM
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If it's okay, then it's an open relationship 😂 So....thank you for agreeing with me, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:32 AM
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What is valuable to me doesn't change based on gender. I expect men and women to exhibit the same traits in order to be considered "good." If someone called you submissive and agreeable, would you take that as a compliment? If not, why should I?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:26 AM
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Yet I'm the one encouraging men to ask for open relationships....? While you're encouraging them to stay in unhappy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:25 AM
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So which one of us is the tradcon, again? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:23 AM
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Then why would you argue that what you think of femininity doesn't matter, so long as you're still choosing feminine women? If you want someone submissive and agreeable, that's your call. But for me, those are insults as much as they would be to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:21 AM
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😂 So if I have sex while single I'm...cheating on my parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:18 AM
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Yes, because when you're single you're not in a relationship at all. Are you actually trying to argue there is no difference between being single and being in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:15 AM
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......I don't know how else to say this. But your dicks are not the arbiters of self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:12 AM
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Not from the perspective of a person who has a hard body count limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:03 AM
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You clearly were not raised by Southern Baptists lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 12:02 AM
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Then find someone who is cool with the relationship being undefined. Personally, I like to know the terms so I don't inadvertently hurt my partner in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:55 PM
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That has nothing to do with the ethics lol Again...do you support men asking for open relationships? This is a very simple yes/no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:54 PM
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I think it's great, because historically femininity has been presented as inferior. Why would any woman choose to be inferior?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:49 PM
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Or he could ask for an open relationship and see if she says yes...?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:42 PM
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😂 I already said the end result is what matters (ultimate body count) and you disagreed with me. I think you're just trying to come up with a "rules for thee, not for me" justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:41 PM
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Where did I say you lied to me? lol Again...since you're being dodgy about what the man is telling the woman in this situation, I have to assume he is not telling her he plans to cheat on her. Is that accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:40 PM
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Not at all. If I did, I would say the man doesn't have the right to leave the marriage lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:39 PM
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Being ugly isn't the only way to be deemed unfit for dating or fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:54 PM
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But how is it a different reaction? The man merely has a lower body count because fewer people want to have sex with him. That's due to other people's actions, not his.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:50 PM
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Probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:47 PM
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You feel entitled because rather than tell them you are going to sleep with someone else and risk them leaving you, you're lying to them. It's childish behavior, and no one deserves it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:43 PM
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The solution is to leave, not cheat lol You just feel entitled to a partner, which is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:30 PM
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The way you describe it. The only reason I need to worry about whether someone has "the upper hand" is if they plan to harm me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:30 PM
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So you believe women should be beholden to men they aren't with...but men aren't beholden to women they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:29 PM
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But all you're really objecting to is a woman leaving you because you want to sleep with someone else. How is that controlling?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:19 PM
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To accommodate your edit: then those men should leave rather than cheat. The fact that you're advocating cheating means that men are too cowardly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:17 PM
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😂 No. I'm not shocked you do, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:16 PM
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I'm talking about the question regarding why they won't ask for an open relationship. If these men are not agreeing to exclusivity, then their partners are fully aware they have the right to sleep with other women. Would you say that is accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:10 PM
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....are you asking me to explain how crowdsourcing works? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:09 PM
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So you view your sex partners in an adversarial way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:07 PM
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How would I know? I wouldn't date a guy this obsessed with sex to begin with lol And you still aren't answering the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:04 PM
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Because none of that has to do with the terms that are agreed upon. Either the guy is saying he wants to have sex with other people, or he isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:53 PM
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So...polygamy? I don't normally distinguish between the ones where multiple people are knocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:46 PM
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That still doesn't explain why they aren't asking for open relationships, or why they don't agree with the terms of a relationship but are choosing to remain in it. Would you say men are afraid to ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:31 PM
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So...again...why are men agreeing to exclusivity? You keep dodging this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:23 PM
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Right, but we're talking about using sex for power, right? I don't know anyone who does that who isn't abusive on some level.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:22 PM
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As long as marriage is an option, it'll be on the list of possible answers to "What are we?". I don't think there's any reason to overthink it. People just need to learn to take rejection graciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:51 PM
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Okay...but what does any of this have to do with exclusivity?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:50 PM
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That's the part I find fascinating. You view sex as connected solely to reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:42 PM
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For emotional intelligence? Psychologists, I would assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:40 PM
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I'm seeing this one when I search: "the practice or state of having a sexual relationship with only one partner."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:39 PM
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I'm saying I defer to the professionals on this one, because I see these men as lost causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:37 PM
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Because it affects other things. For example: exclusivity. I was not seeing anyone else at the time (not sure if he was), but if I had been and he wanted exclusivity, obviously I would have wanted to know so I could end other relationships. Status also affects how I treat someone, how much of a priority they are, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:36 PM
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I'm not saying it isn't for some, but those are certainly not the type of man I think is fit for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:24 PM
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My definition of monogamy is whatever the dictionary says. I'm indifferent, I simply expect people to not lie and say they want to be monogamous when they actually don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:23 PM
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That generally seems to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:22 PM
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Right, and like me, they're repulsed by seeing sex as connected to power.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:13 PM
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It's not significant. Honesty is, though. And where have I given my definition of monogamy? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:12 PM
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I see emotional intelligence as something that should be taught by your parents, like most things. If the parents fail, I don't know what could rectify that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:11 PM
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Wearing heels would be more impressive, and sexier.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:02 PM
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The wiki page is pretty spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:58 PM
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Oh and I agree. But speaking as someone who is so independent it's probably toxic, the one thing I really cannot stand is uncertainty. My husband and I had the "What are we?" conversation on our second date lol A big part of being independent is not being led by the whims of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:55 PM
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Sure, but in the circumstances you describe, how many of these men are being clear from the start that they do not want to get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:47 PM
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Sure, and all I can say is that the women I know who DO care would not excuse the behavior in men simply because it's more difficult. They perceive that as misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:39 PM
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Nah, you're not discussing in good faith and being bitchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:36 PM
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That is a fascinating definition of monogamy, and it explains a lot lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:29 PM
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I agree, but I don't know many men who offer what I look for: emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:22 PM
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And I disagree, but I'm coming at this from the POV of not caring about body count. And even if I did meet a man's standard, I would not date a man who does care.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:19 PM
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And you believe it's healthy to base a relationship off of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:18 PM
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If men don't want to be obligated to monogamy, why are they agreeing to it? You still cannot give a clear answer on why men are incapable of asking for open relationships lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:18 PM
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Okay, and like I said I think you're wrong about the idea that independence means someone is MORE likely to tolerate uncertainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:17 PM
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Sure, but again, I don't think it matters when it comes to the ultimate judgment of what someone has done. I don't know any woman who cares about body count who'd go easy on men just because it's harder for them to have sex lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:36 PM
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Not in my experience, but it may depend on what you value friendships for. I don't normally ask friends for favors....when I need a ride, I get an Uber before even considering asking someone I know. Men rarely have what I value in friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:31 PM
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Why do you think this is an issue of proselytizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:27 PM
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Right, but I don't think effort is relevant. This isn't some grade school course where effort counts. All that matters is results and how you feel about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:26 PM
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Nope, I'm just observing the fact that you view sex as an obligation for women. That's pretty misogynistic, to not care about consent or even pleasure. And I have no attachment to marriage beyond my own lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:21 PM
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A man who is happy with his sex life and does not resent others for being happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:17 PM
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Okay...? Then what is special about having a friend who is a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:17 PM
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I was referring to your bit about competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:16 PM
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I don't know why you think independence and being less willing to put up with someone's bullshit aren't clearly connected. If I don't need someone in my life, I can cut them out at the slightest hint of annoyance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:16 PM
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And there are even more men than that, but when it comes to dating and sex, majority doesn't matter unless you want to fuck or date the majority lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:11 PM
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But say you're like me and only want sexually successful men to begin with....whether they're the majority is irrelevant, because they're still the only viable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:02 PM
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And while I do hate myself, it's got nothing to do with my gender. Same
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:36 PM
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Okay it's official: when I ponder whether all of the men on this sub are trash, the answer is now "no" because you are awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:30 PM
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No one hates men more than other men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:28 PM
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Why does a case need to be made? If you don't want to be promiscuous, don't be. No one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:24 PM
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What's the purpose of removing sexually successful men from the calculation? That would seem to confirm that it's all about jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:22 PM
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There are one or two I wish I hadn't bothered with, but that's just because they weren't any fun. And these are actual relationships, not just hookups lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:19 PM
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You sound very....misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:11 PM
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It sounds like you hang out with some damaged women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:04 PM
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If there's nothing special, there's no need to specify gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:02 PM
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I wouldn't agree with doing it on purpose, since I don't think any relationship is worth a risk to your health. That being said, it is pretty awesome to learn that your partner isn't there just for your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:35 AM
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I've seen nothing presented that is as factual as 1+1=2. What they want is validation, and I would assume they would want that from a woman whose body count is respectable to them (mine is 5, so I know that makes me broken or some nonsense 😂). On the flip side, most men I know who care about body count didn't wait until after high school to find their future spouses. So it seems like manosphere men just made poor choices in their youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:55 AM
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I have no desire to be civil with them. I see them as beyond help, especially the ones obsessing over body count. I wouldn't talk to any of them even if I did meet their standard lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:46 AM
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When manosphere men present themselves as worthy of more effort, I'll give it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:35 AM
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This sub is the only exposure I have to the manosphere. If you think it's not accurate, take it up with the men here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:31 AM
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Nah, I'm not convinced manosphere men are capable of loving women, unless you equate love with lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:23 AM
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I think you're projecting a tad. Don't you all adhere to these facts because you don't like how women make you feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:18 AM
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To accommodate your edit: I think "incel" works as a nice catch-all. Plus, there's no reason to distinguish between different manosphere subgroups when you have the same judgment of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:13 AM
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Okay. Cool...?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:11 AM
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So confident people are disagreeable?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:08 AM
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Just trying to figure out what your point is. Am I supposed to care that a man who uses the lingo thinks my hubby is a beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:05 AM
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Okay...?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:57 AM
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You're the one who mentioned the term. Based on this sub, it seems to get used just as an insult, much like "incel" lol Either way, I don't care much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:50 AM
3

Very true. I end up stereotyping them in my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:27 AM
1

I'd much rather be called that than a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:25 AM
4

So...beta buxx is false? Y'all need to make up your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:23 AM
6

Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:20 AM
1

Confident people generally don't need to lie to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:18 AM
3

Pretty sure he'd have to be financially supporting me to be a beta....?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 05:17 AM
1

So you're telling me that every man who cheats has first said "Hey, you no longer satisfy me sexually. If that doesn't change, I'm going to have sex with someone else"? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:30 AM
1

Honestly, it's just starting to sound like men are too afraid to be alone. A confident man wouldn't cheat. He would acknowledge his unhappiness and leave. The only reason NOT to ask for an open relationship is because you think she'll refuse lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:27 AM
1

She should if she wants to have sex with someone else. But you're the one saying men do, yet they'll cheat instead of communicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:25 AM
3

So many of mine can be summed up as: no conservatives. Woke soy boys only.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:17 AM
9

I don't know which men need to hear this: being willing to fuck someone does not mean you like them, respect them, or are kind to them. I give zero fucks about whether a gaggle of rejects want to fuck me, so long as they aren't cruel to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:15 AM
1

So then why wouldn't you just ask for an open relationship? Are you too afraid?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:14 AM
1

I agree, it's not an entitlement. But it is something the man agreed to. Why would he agree to it if he doesn't want it? Why are men incapable of asking for an open relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:53 AM
1

Nope, just honesty. If he wants to fuck other people, he can't hide it. It's as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:12 AM
13

Nah, I've seen a lot of men with nasty skin who could use some concealer. It'd go a long way for you guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:11 AM
1

Honesty doesn't exist anymore? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:09 AM
1

Okay....but when I speak as you are right now, I get called a bitch for it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 11:16 PM
4

This must be a generational thing. I'm a millennial and boys my age definitely did not respect my boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:54 PM
1

Are you actually trying to justify sexism through trauma? Isn't that what men here usually complain about? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:53 PM
1

"Staying together for the kids" is one of the dumbest things someone can do lol But that didn't answer my question, anyway. I'd rather have my husband leave me than lie to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:40 PM
1

But keeping the relationship is...? Why wouldn't the man just leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:35 PM
3

Not really. My dad has attempted suicide twice and refuses to get any sort of treatment or take any sort of medication. When I was put on medication for anxiety, he called me pathetic. And yet he's still confused as to why no one helps him (I don't even speak to him anymore, hardly). Much like with abuse, being a victim does not excuse you victimizing others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:11 PM
1

Okay...? So if you don't even know, why are you trying to justify a man cheating instead of just ending the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:05 PM
3

I think that only goes up to a certain point. Similar to internalized misogyny, eventually the individual has to own the fact that they choose to believe something in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:04 PM
4

The problem I have with that is that I've seen plenty of men reject mental health care when it is easily accessible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:34 PM
1

So again....why get into a relationship? What are they getting from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:31 PM
1

We have a prenup, and the wedding was his idea. Try again lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:29 PM
3

Why do you think I come here? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:27 PM
1

You just said men don't want relationships. How does that indicate women are obligated to sleep with them? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:26 PM
2

To accommodate your edit: I like debate subs, that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:20 PM
4

I don't consider him to be connected to the manosphere at all. If I did, I wouldn't be with him. To me, the manosphere is just a bunch of men who are mad about gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:18 PM
1

The person who needs to break the agreement of the relationship in order to be happy is the one unfit for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:08 PM
1

Yet y'all try so hard to make it our problem lol If you can't even get other men to give a fuck, perhaps consider it's not the crisis you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:04 PM
1

So...is that a yes? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:03 PM
2

Oh yeah, as someone in a Midwest/South city, to me the South is just super conservative overall. I can barely stand how conservative my own area is lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:44 PM
1

Then it sounds like men are unfit for relationships. Would that be fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:42 PM
4

I generally don't hang out with anyone with conservative leanings, regardless of sexuality. I do have some straggler friends from high school who are more tradcon, but none of them are queer in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:41 PM
4

Well unlike the men here, he's never had a problem getting laid lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:33 PM
14

My hubby uses Reddit for some things. He asks me if I'm mocking the incels and I say yes (like me, he has a low opinion of the manosphere).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:31 PM
14

Bisexual woman here. I think queer people are just less likely to follow strict gender roles, so most of the problems presented here seem irrelevant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:29 PM
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You do realize that monogamy takes the presence of two parties....right? lol I don't get why you think relationship status is irrelevant. You can't cheat if you aren't in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:26 PM
8

Saying someone likes being lied to seems like a double negative. If they like being lied to, then they know they are being lied to...which means there is no valid reason to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:02 PM
1

That makes no sense. Thus far, you've only mentioned women wanting to sleep around when she isn't in a relationship. Now you're moving the goalposts lol A woman who wants to sleep around while in a relationship should also not agree to exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:45 PM
3

The same reason I have friends of any gender....? They're cool people. There's nothing special about the friend being a dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:21 PM
15

The only women I know who care about body count were practicing abstinence until marriage and wanted a man who was doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 04:52 PM
2

Depends on whether they reveal their insecurity before I can fuck them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 04:00 PM
1

Same applies to insecure men....
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:26 PM
9

My body count is only 5 for PIV, and the whiny men here make me wish I had been an even bigger slut when I was single. Just because it upsets all of you so much 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:18 PM
0

No one cares. Stop expecting people to support you and your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:17 PM
1

You say it, but I simply don't believe you. The only other option is that you're a hypocrite who thinks sex damages women but not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:12 PM
1

My dad served as a fantastic example of what sort of man to avoid. I will be forever grateful my mom left him, so that he had a much smaller impact than he might have otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:08 PM
1

So then what would you like to hear? You'll likely never find anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:06 PM
1

I don't know why "most men" matters. Is it not possible for most men to be insecure?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:05 PM
1

K
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:04 PM
1

Because it's happening within the context of a relationship....? What I don't get is why a guy would agree to exclusivity when he doesn't actually want to be exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:02 PM
1

And I seriously doubt your wife loves you, yet here we are lol How is it controlling to expect equal treatment? Wouldn't it be controlling of him to insist he can sleep with other people but I can't?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:14 AM
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Eh, that would depend on how desperate they are. To me, no one is worth changing yourself except for yourself. But I view it from the perspective of a woman in a family where wives regularly outlive their husbands by 20-25 years. Eventually, the reason you changed may not be around anymore....and then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:55 AM
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If you prefer, I can stop encouraging men to have self-respect and not settle for anyone less than they desire..?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:53 AM
1

I think you're projecting a bit. It's very simple: I don't like liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:51 AM
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K
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 01:24 AM
4

I just don't get expecting exclusivity by default. That's a conversation you should have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 01:14 AM
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He should have told me he wanted to have sex with someone else. As long as he understands the right goes both ways, I would have been fine with it. But again...he wasn't honest. So, out he goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:53 AM
8

Ok ..then find someone as desperate as you...?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:50 AM
1

Again, he should have asked to change the terms of the marriage. At best, I have to assume he lied about wanting exclusivity. And as I said, I don't tolerate liars. So he's gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:48 AM
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Why should they be? What will come from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:43 AM
1

He should have said it before he cheated. At the moment, we are exclusive. The terms of the marriage have to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:42 AM
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Nope, they should learn to stick to their standards and not be so desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:41 AM
1

Then, by all means, tell her to smile and leave the rest of us out of it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:27 AM
1

Where did I lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:19 AM
0

General social progressivism (vs. conservatism). I at best tolerate people who are pro-life, and since I'm bisexual I would never be friends with a 'phobe of any kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:08 AM
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Nope, which is why I never have to my husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 12:07 AM
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Why is honesty important? Because I don't find liars attractive or lovable. What he's lying about is irrelevant. I expect complete honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:58 PM
1

Nope, the Bible is for conservatives like you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:52 PM
1

How am I having a meltdown? I'm simply saying I expect my partner to be honest with me. If he wants to sleep with someone else, he shouldn't hide it. I'm not opposed to open relationships, but they have to be agreed upon. How often have you cheated on your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:52 PM
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Your wife is doing the whole "stay together for the kids" thing. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't be arguing that having kids made her love you more. She doesn't. She needs you more, which is not the same as love.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:48 PM
1

And again...you didn't answer my question. You got personal with me and then brought up your wife willingly, and now you want to bitch lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:46 PM
1

How do I have a phobia about commitment? I'm married and have been with my husband since 2008 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:45 PM
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Not buying it. You wouldn't mention children if she was. I'm assuming these children are still living with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:39 PM
1

When was the last time a woman asked you for your opinion on her face? 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:36 PM
2

You don't look intimidating at all 😂 You just look unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:34 PM
1

Then you need to experience having a wife who is with you by choice before you have any opinions lol If there weren't kids, would your wife still love you? Still be married to you? Or are you just there because you knocked her up?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:25 PM
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Also, it sounds like your wife has major dependency issues if she's willing to stay with you. Some men are already aware that they aren't good people, and they know a woman will leave if given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:22 PM
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I can't handle being lied to? lol Sounds like you expect women to have low self-esteem......
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:20 PM
1

You wouldn't prefer they just leave you? Because I would lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:10 PM
1

If you plan on cheating, would you get mad at your partner for doing the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:04 PM
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You can't get a woman. For you, the only way a woman will be with you is if you're a necessity...not a desire. You need to trap her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:00 PM
1

Don't get personal and then whine about being insulted back. That's not very manly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:57 PM
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If I wanted to have sex in exchange for goods and services, I'd become a sex worker. I'd get "paid" waaaaay better than a housewife.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:56 PM
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You can't get a woman, yet you want men to cheat as some sort of revenge, rather than not be desperate enough to settle for women they don't want to begin with 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:54 PM
1

Depends on the reason. If he's a slut, he has no right to complain about slutty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:50 PM
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You're inventing a narrative for no reason 🤣 And men don't own women, either, but you seem to be awfully upset by that. You are clearly one of those men who needs women to be inferior under the law in order to have any success with them. That's your problem alone, and women are not obligated to comfort you in the hopes that you stop being sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:50 PM
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Yes. It tells me she just doesn't want to be an adult with her own responsibilities. She wants her husband to pick up where her parents left off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:45 PM
1

You're really being naive here. The woman I know with the highest body count has never had casual sex lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:40 PM
1

Nope, although virginity would be. And if you want a virgin, you should have snagged one in high school like every other conservative man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:35 PM
1

Asking for low body counts =/= asking for exclusivity lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:33 PM
1

So why would you date them? Body count has nothing to do with it. According to the definition used here, I had "orbiters" when I was a virgin lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:22 PM
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I would. I don't need those kinds of problems in my life. I like to surround myself with people who share my values.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:21 PM
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The man doing the cheating is the one prepared to blow up the marriage, and all over dry dick lol And again...if cheating is no big deal, why is the man incapable of asking for non-exclusivity?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:20 PM
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I think they're willing to risk it, which is foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:16 PM
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My husband and I had the exclusivity talk on our second date lol You're being ridiculous and showing you have never been in an adult relationship. The terms are discussed, not assumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:07 PM
0

If someone is willing to tolerate abuse, they're usually willing to become abusive themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:58 PM
1

Except you are, when she tells you she wants exclusivity and you say "OK" lol If you don't agree to it, don't agree to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:58 PM
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It's very simple: you either agree to exclusivity, or you don't. If you can't or won't be exclusive, why would you agree to it? Are you that desperate for a partner? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:50 PM
1

If you want to make generalizations about women like that and then still date them, you have serious issues. If I thought all men lied about sex, I wouldn't socialize with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:45 PM
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I value my financial independence, because I have watched women put up with abuse simply because they could not afford to leave. Plus, I'm an adult. Financial dependence is for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:44 PM
1

So which is it? Is lying bad or not? You're just trying to justify being enslaved by your hormones.....
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:40 PM
1

This is essentially what you are arguing: 1) men want to know a woman's body count. The woman either refuses to discuss it, or the man believes she is lying. 2) Rather than reject her, the man chooses to date her and then uses it to justify cheating on her. You know the man is the pathetic one in this scenario, right? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:36 PM
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A person who thinks their partner is lying to them and stays anyway absolutely deserves it. Yet it seems to be only men who are trying to pretend they're the victims lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:34 PM
1

So...men want these things discussed. Why are y'all still choosing to date women who don't discuss them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:16 PM
1

Okay...and where did I say I don't discuss those things on a first date? If you're going to accuse me of lying, you need proof lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:10 PM
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I don't spend time wondering whether they're conventional, or what other women like. That's what men do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:09 PM
1

Why are you using "wealthy" and "unconfident" as opposites? My experience is that the more money a guy has, the less confident he is. He uses money to achieve what other people get just by being themselves. Again, you're assuming that the traits that would make someone ugly are universal. I think dudes with goatees are ugly. Does that mean all women think dudes with goatees are ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:03 PM
1

And where do you believe I have lied?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:01 PM
1

I know women for whom wealth is a turn off because of the of man one generally has to be to become wealthy (an asshole, and extremely materialistic). I know women who don't care about height. And "looks" means nothing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:56 PM
1

Lying about who you are as a person just to get your dick wet is not the argument you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:52 PM
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Unless you have surveyed every woman alive, you cannot possibly prove they're universal lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:51 PM
1

Maybe, but that's only relevant if there is any overlap. My friends and I have probably 1% in common attraction....everything else is "How the fuck can you think HE is attractive?" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:47 PM
1

That's fine....? Still not wanting a man who thinks I'm a gold digger, or who would apparently date one lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:46 PM
1

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:45 PM
2

Right, I'm just thinking from the perspective of someone for whom only MAYBE 5% of men meet her standards. The only important question is: are the men impacted by the wall even men who are in that 5%?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:42 PM
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But struggle according to what? You're saying that fewer men will want her, but the men rejecting her aren't ones she wants anyway lol It's not a hardship to have people reject you if you were going to reject them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:32 PM
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So if a woman neither has nor wants children, the wall simply doesn't exist. Because any man who prioritizes fertility is a no-go anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:28 PM
1

I agree it shouldn't be an issue of persuading...but I trust my husband completely. I don't think him fucking another woman will make him leave me. If I did, I wouldn't be with him at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:25 PM
1

Then he shouldn't need to hide it. Hiding it is admitting he does think it will affect me lol I don't tolerate liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:13 PM
1

How is being lied to none of my business? If it affects my ability to love someone (I don't love people who lie), it's absolutely my business lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:07 PM
1

I'm okay with open relationships....I'm not okay with lying (about anything, not just sex) lol And I think you're projecting a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:53 PM
2

That's what I always think when I hear "pair bonding"...it really just means "I'm shitty in bed and she needs to put up with it" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:40 PM
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Agreed. Some people are far more willing to take on a partner with that lack of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:38 PM
1

No, I wrote that I knew after the third time that sex wasn't the way I enjoy connecting with someone. I was told that men use women for sex before I even knew what sex was lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:37 PM
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I don't trust women who actively try to get in relationships where they will become dependent on their partners. To me, that's just asking to be trapped in an unhealthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:35 PM
1

No, you don't get to feel hurt. You created the problem for yourself. They did nothing except react to how you treat them. If you don't want that reaction, stop treating people that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:20 PM
2

They're stupid and desperate?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:19 PM
1

Yes. You seem to forget that they're vetting you as well. It's only polite to be clear on what you want, because if they don't want you then the whole exercise is pointless lol Example: most men will do or say something within 5mins of meeting them that tells me I don't want to date them OR be friends with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:17 PM
3

Then why would you stay with a woman who is lying to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:15 PM
1

But if the woman needs a guy to spend money on them in order to be interested...how is that different from sex work? In both instances, the money is what is changing her decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:13 PM
1

Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:12 PM
3

So why lie about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:05 PM
1

Again, I disagree. If you aren't making your intentions clear from the beginning, it's a problem of your own making. You can't expect to ask someone to hang out and have them guess correctly that you either want to be friends or date/fuck them. You should know which you're vetting them for before you even ask them to hang out. And again, you have the right to move on. But it is manipulative/toxic to do what you did to begin with. You won't convince me otherwise. I would never treat someone like …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:05 PM
1

Right, but you're saying the intent was never friendship anyway....it was sex/a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:58 PM
7

And to accommodate your edit: I figured out it wasn't my preferred way of connecting after like the third time I had it. Men clearly do not equate sex with love, so why should women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:57 PM
3

If he wants an open relationship, that's on him to speak up. Lying about it is admitting they'll say no and you don't respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:55 PM
1

But you're still admitting you're being insincere about the friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:45 PM
7

Cute, but I had this attitude when I first started having sex. You're very naive if you think men don't use women for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:41 PM
2

That would mean we're sexually incompatible anyway, regardless of whether they're a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:36 PM
5

Well I don't want kids, and it's not my preferred method of connecting with my partner and/or feeling loved. I don't know what else I'd want it for if not pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:17 PM
5

Yes, my standards for that are pretty high because all I care about are the orgasms. If I can do it better myself, there's no reason to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:15 PM
6

Depends on what someone defines as good sex. For me, probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:10 PM
1

Yes, but if I want that I say so from the beginning. I don't hide it. That comes across as manipulation. I would define platonic time as spending time with someone that is not a date, or sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:07 PM
1

I don't think that's a misinterpretation. That's what you do when you want to be friends with someone: you ask them to hang out. If I didn't want to be friends with someone, I wouldn't spend ANY platonic time with them whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:40 PM
0

I would want to work out the specific rules, but I'm not the jealous type so I think there are ways we could make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:35 PM
1

I'm seeing it as a problem because it's obvious to me that he was only friends with her to get in her pants. I agree, he's not obligated to stay. But to say it's not an issue is like saying it's not an issue if someone stops being your friend because you won't loan them money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:26 PM
1

That comes across as you blaming the other person or a problem you created lol If you're interested in a person, say so. It really is that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:20 PM
3

Except the definition of high-value changes from person to person. Any man who has or wants kids is low-value for me, because I like being child-free.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:16 PM
1

Where did I say I find anyone defective for being obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:55 PM
2

Are you saying 80% of men subscribe to TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:46 PM
2

But again...that's nothing to brag about. It's like needing religion to be a good person. Am I glad they're no longer a bad person? Sure. But they're still defective.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:42 PM
2

I'm just not getting why you think it's the same thing lol I also don't use either hobbies or relationships to fill a void...that seems unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:39 PM
1

Woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:26 PM
2

That, but also...most of what it teaches is just basic adulthood. Needing TRP to do what most people do easily is not something to brag about lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:08 PM
3

That's weird to me. I enjoy my hobbies, but I don't love them. They're replaceable and my interest waxes and wanes. Now, if we're talking about someone who I'm just using for sex...that makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:05 PM
2

I just think it's unfair to treat someone a certain way when your relationship is platonic...then ask for more....and then pull away when you're rejected. I don't pretend to be friends with someone to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:58 PM
2

It's strange that you're using romantic love to describe being into a hobby....
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:49 PM
2

Then I don't think you get to complain when you change how you treat them and they see you as the bad guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:11 PM
1

Again, I'm still hung up on doing it at all. There is no reason to provide a "preview." You flirt to show interest, or more directly state your intent. But it's ridiculous to treat someone a certain way while you're still at the platonic level and then wonder why they're confused when that goes away just because they rejected you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:10 PM
2

All I can do is tell you how men I know got what you want. If you failed at one of the earliest steps, that's not my fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:56 PM
2

I'm saying you should have been dating high schoolers when you were in high school. You fucked up by waiting until 29 to suddenly decide virgins are awesome lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:11 PM
0

Why did you wait until after 21 to find one? The conservative guys I know met their future wives when we were all 14-16. If you aren't dating like a conservative, you can't expect a conservative relationship experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:01 AM
1

It's ridiculous, and I don't get why they do it to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:59 AM
0

Seriously? Okay...why would you treat someone like a partner if they are not your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:59 AM
0

Why are you waiting to date until after high school?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:58 AM
1

I'm not old-fashioned in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:57 AM
1

So you'd be okay with scummy men so long as there weren't many? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:57 AM
1

That just sounds like paranoia to me. For starters, most people, regardless of gender, don't keep exes in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:56 AM
11

My BFF stayed a virgin until her wedding night and called me for sex tips because she had know idea what to do with a dick 😂 Date virgins and stop complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:53 PM
2

True, but this assumes people are ONLY ever going to have sex because they want babies. Even other species have non-reproductive sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:48 PM
3

So....he was treating her a certain way that is tied to her reciprocating his feelings...BUT...he was doing it before he knew whether she reciprocated his feelings. You see the problem here, right? Stop treating women like actual partners when they're potential at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:46 PM
1

Then you're intellectually lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:29 PM
1

I have no problem with anything poly or "open" but I don't think it's necessary to cite nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:59 PM
2

I don't like being spoiled. To me, that's something you do to children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:28 PM
3

Exactly. People need to stop expecting others to fix their lives for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:14 PM
1

Well, that's my point: they'll complain, but how many of them are actually choosing to be single rather than date a promiscuous woman? The men I know who wanted virgins all married their first girlfriends they met 14-16. These aren't the guys who are even needing to reject women as adults, because they haven't been single in decades. And where do you get that it touched a nerve any more than female promiscuity has touched theirs?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:54 PM
3

OMG this. Maybe we should just switch to calling them "males"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:36 PM
1

I call them insecure for caring about body count when the only reason theirs isn't higher is because women aren't as desperate lol If they're virgins by choice and pursuing other virgins, that's a different matter...and those men are usually very respectful with their rejections. I've never felt slut-shamed by one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:28 PM
1

I'm super picky but only about specific ingredients. As long as they can make it without onions, I'm good lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:25 PM
6

He was very into cars. Basic bro. Showed up at my dorm uninvited. Insisted on paying for my half of the date. Expressed interest in another woman. I found out after the fact that he was just trying to see if he could make me jealous, but I lose interest as soon as I hear they want someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:06 PM
1

I'm not being defensive. Am I telling you you aren't allowed to comment? Because that seems to be what you're doing with me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:03 PM
1

I'm sharing my POV of the topic. Why is it that men can comment on promiscuous women but women can't return the favor? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:50 PM
1

The topic was brought up. It seems silly to post on a public forum and then complain about the responses you get lol Are you bringing up women not dating short guys out of the blue, or are you doing it as a response?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:22 PM
2

You're perceiving something as a complaint when it's not. Men: "Promiscuous women are unfit for dating" Women: "Men who care about body count are insecure" Men: "STOP SHAMING" We aren't saying anything about you you aren't saying about us lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:57 PM
1

Again, because that's how we feel? Why do you see it as any different from the standards we're judging? All standards are a judgment of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:47 PM
1

And I've seen men lose their shit when a woman says "I don't want you anyway" and leaves it at that lol What I don't get is why you care so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:41 PM
1

Won't leave you alone? You're saying there are women just following you everywhere talking about how insecure you are? (Because I've had dudes follow me calling me a slut lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:39 PM
1

And I disagree. I think that men are mad because they share their standards as a form of proselytizing and believe that women should WANT to meet those standards. And when women say "That's fine, I don't want you anyway" they get mad about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:34 PM
0

And you're proving my point that men need to learn to not give a fuck about women they don't want to begin with....
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:31 PM
1

So you don't believe anyone should be allowed to judge you on your standards? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:30 PM
4

Not sure what the difference is. There's no way the guy is going to be able to convince me his standard isn't rooted in insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:26 PM
0

You seriously sound like a child. Are you really that incapable of making your own decision about your behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:25 PM
1

We're simply sharing our opinion. If you don't like it, keep your standards to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:25 PM
2

Nah, I think you're just too damn sensitive. What you're actually mad about is that the women who don't meet your standards aren't remorseful lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:22 PM
1

Again...who cares? You're clearly judging women the same way, so what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:21 PM
2

But you're free to think women who disagree with your preferences are pieces of shit too. That's the beauty of it lol Why do you care so much about women you don't even want to date or fuck anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:19 PM
3

I just don't get why a woman wouldn't just become an escort...same dynamic and you'll usually get more lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:16 PM
1

So...you're mad about women judging you for your standards? But they have a right to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:13 PM
2

You're making no sense now lol Your feelings can absolutely be hurt. But you can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:12 PM
1

I've never browsed the profile of someone I don't like. You're taking Reddit too seriously lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:43 PM
6

Who's complaining? I would be THRILLED if the only bad things that ever happened to me regarding men involved dating and (consensual) sex. Additionally, if you share your standard you can't complain about being judged for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:43 PM
4

I'm saying the shaming is irrelevant, and the fact that you're letting it get to you at all is the problem lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:39 PM
1

Oooooo a stalker. Where did I say "strangers"? I've never asked out a guy I didn't already know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:38 PM
10

If he's so desperate that he's going to date someone he resents, he's an idiot...but I'm not his mother, and it's not my job to teach him to not be an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:37 PM
6

Of course. That's the whole point of standards. If you're making exceptions, what's the point in having them? I wouldn't date someone I had insecurities about, anyway. Why would I do that to myself? Where I think you're falling short is that you think people should be concerned with living up to the standards of others. Example: if you (or even a lot of men) don't like OF, women should be aware of that and allow that to inform their choices. Some might, but most of us don't want a guy who is bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:35 PM
4

Again....as long as he doesn't make it my problem, I'm good. I don't burden my husband with my insecurities...shit, he doesn't even know most of them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:32 PM
7

But again...who cares? I've been shamed for not having or wanting kids (and therefore rejecting all men who do), not dating conservatives, etc. I also wouldn't date a guy who cares about body count, even if I met his standard. Do you think I give any thought to what other people think of my standards? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:31 PM
8

Here's an example with the promiscuity thing: I would never date a guy who cares about body count, even if I meet his standard. Unless he is a virgin wanting a virgin, I perceive it as him being insecure about his own sexual history and not wanting a woman who has been more successful than him. However, if he never mentions it, how am I supposed to know?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:28 PM
6

I don't give a fuck about a person's insecurities so long as they aren't making it my problem to fix. To me, that's like any other mental health issue: yours to fix, and I'll support you so long as you're making an effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:26 PM
1

But that still goes back to my precious question: why do you need people to validate your standards? Why do you care so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:25 PM
3

K lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:23 PM
-2

But you are projecting. That's my point. If you're sharing your insecurities unsolicited, you are making it someone else's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:17 PM
0

If we want you, we'll approach. The fact that we aren't as desperate as you is not hypocrisy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:14 PM
1

I can't ask your question until you answer mine. The value you speak of is not simply a matter of body count, but of how you value sex....correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:13 PM
1

I have never gotten complimented by a random woman I don't know, and I'm perfectly fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:12 PM
6

I still wouldn't say I make an assumption. I don't care about people's sex lives that much lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:09 PM
5

Valid in what way? No one else is required to validate your insecurities. Stop making them everyone else's problem, and you'll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:08 PM
1

A stranger? Absolutely. But women don't generally bother other women because we were raised better lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:55 PM
0

And as I said already, I was not raised to see bothering someone in public as polite unless it is to ask/tell them something important. A date is not important.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:40 PM
2

Nah, men who need to spend money to get women are low-value to me. I see it more black-and-white than you do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:39 PM
2

I find it incredibly insulting if a man thinks he can use money to attract and keep me. Any hint of that and I'm gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:36 PM
6

I've never thought about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:34 PM
1

Sex and love are not the same thing, from my perspective. I value only love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:33 PM
1

I read your post. I'm just not buying your double standard. Bothering someone in public is rude, and they have every right to be rude in return. Your inability to get a date is not something society has to accommodate or make easier for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:26 PM
1

If a man is entitled to approach a woman in public, how is a woman not entitled to react negatively? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:19 PM
2

Okay. And if one meets your standard but finds it repugnant you even have it? Will that bother you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:18 PM
1

Are they your values, or just a rule you have for women that you don't adhere to yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:55 PM
0

I have male friends. They aren't the ones complaining that women don't want to be hit on at the grocery store lol And again, this is pretty simple: if you want to bother someone in public, you don't get to complain about how they respond..
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:44 PM
1

I was not raised to see a date as something anyone is entitled to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:16 PM
4

Why wouldn't you just become a sex worker? You could probably make more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:02 PM
1

But that's my point: why should I accommodate men on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:02 PM
3

My husband and I each have our own cars. We do not share them. And no, I wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:00 PM
4

I wouldn't use it. It's not my car.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:37 PM
0

May, sure. But it's arrogant to assume people are going to tolerate being bothered.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:26 PM
5

As long as I don't have to financially support them, sure. But if he can't pay his 50% of shared expenses, he shouldn't anticipate living together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:18 PM
-2

And you consider grocery shopping, pumping gas, taking out the trash, etc. to be socializing time? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:18 PM
7

I disagree. I always pay for my shit, and if a guy makes the assumption that he needs to spend money on me to get me to like him, he's gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:14 PM
3

The other issue is conflating high body count with casual sex. I've had lots of casual sex and still have a lower body count than some of my friends who have sex solely within committed relationships. They've just dated more people than I've fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:45 AM
1

Nice try, but my mom was sluttier than I was 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:02 AM
3

Okay, so what do you believe is the proper definition of toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:00 AM
6

Aside from being incapacitated in some way, cheating is never a mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 05:00 AM
3

14-year-olds have to live with the consequences of their decisions as much as anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:59 AM
1

And you haven't proven my response wrong lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:59 AM
10

Then the issue is not with body count, but how you view sex. I have never equated sex with love, even when I was a virgin. In comparison, I have friends with body counts higher than mine who do need to emotionally connect. Their counts are simply higher because they have been in more relationships than I have had partners of any sort. If you want someone who emotionally connects via sex, you should absolutely be vetting for it. But to link it to body count makes no sense from my POV.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:58 AM
2

I think the men who are satisfied with their sex lives are the only ones whose standard doesn't originate in an insecurity that their partner has been more successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:54 AM
3

Except I'm not doing it "right away." It was brought up as a topic of conversation. You don't get to post your standards in a public forum and then complain about the responses lol As for my standards...this sub is the only place I have ever talked about them, and it's when standards get brought up as a topic of conversation. Shit, I'm married and not even my husband knows all my standards. That's how little they get talked about in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:44 AM
1

Well there we go, then. Personally, this sub is like a more interactive version of reality TV. I'm observing a bunch of people whose lives are so far removed from my experience that I can't help but be entertained. And there's an element of trashiness...like Teen Mom or Hoarders or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:41 AM
10

Anyone can have whatever preference they want. But you should always be ready to be judged if you can't even follow your own ethics. Either you're weak, or you don't genuinely believe in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:38 AM
9

How does my judgment of them show dislike? Because I'm not automatically supporting them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:37 AM
16

They're confessing that the only thing stopping them from cheating is not having anyone to cheat with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:36 AM
2

No...they asked why I would give a shit that they don't believe women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:34 AM
3

I would if they tried to blame it on me not fucking them 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:33 AM
6

Still not much of an excuse, unless men just don't have morals. And if they don't have morals, they shouldn't complain that women hate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:33 AM
9

How am I discrediting them? They can have whatever standard they please. If it hinges on me not judging them for it...well...insecurity again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:32 AM
2

Being entertained by men who can't get laid is not the same thing as caring that they can't get laid lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:30 AM
1

ooooo where???
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:28 AM
2

Because you're still talking about it...?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:27 AM
9

And that's precisely the type of man who is insecure and unfit for dating by either religious or nonreligious women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:26 AM
9

I don't get upset. I simply dismiss them. I would never knowingly date a man who cares about body count, even if I met his standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:22 AM
9

This was 2000-2004. It is viable, assuming you prioritize it. But if you were expecting a conservative relationship and not behaving as a conservative, you have no one to blame but yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:21 AM
2

I agree, and that should extend to all standards. For example: I wouldn't commit to a guy who cared about body count at all, even if I met his standard lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:19 AM
3

Reminds me of that meme with the sign saying who's all going to be in Hell and the response is just "Damn, the party is going to be insane"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:12 AM
7

Ah, okay. So if a man chooses to be slutty, should he complain that chaste women don't want him? Or should he make his decision with the stance that he'd rather be slutty and single?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:09 AM
17

This seems like a great example of "every accusation is a confession" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:08 AM
6

Also for the men. Or are they less capable of practicing abstinence?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:07 AM
5

I am also useless because I'd rather adopt but can't afford it. Let me know when you go into the woods to die, I'll make a beer run and meet you there 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:06 AM
5

Already responded to it 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:04 AM
10

Agreed. And men with virginity fetishes aren't suitable unless they're appeasing that same fetish in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:03 AM
9

Plus, men who demand something they can't offer themselves are failing at their own moral code. I was raised Christian and was initially practicing abstinence until marriage. A non-virgin would not have been acceptable for my family.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:02 AM
11

Then those men should have found their wives when they were 14 like the conservative men I know. Most of my friends married their first boyfriends/girlfriends, and they started dating when everyone else does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:01 AM
16

Not every man is insecure about how much sex women get....?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:53 AM
-1

I'd tell the guy my honest opinion of him (not a good one) and then tell him to go away. Do you have any idea how exhausting it is to have people constantly commenting on your appearance with the arrogant belief that their opinion is important to you in any way? If I want someone's opinion of me, I'll ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:51 AM
5

Where did I mention my relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 10:18 PM
1

I can't tell if you're trolling. If they describe how the word is commonly used, you can't then argue that the definition provided in a dictionary doesn't match how it's commonly used.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 10:18 PM
1

Yeah, that's not how it works. I only date men who don't exist as counter to my priorities at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:31 PM
1

No, the root of all the problems is you seeing women as existing in public for your enjoyment lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:30 PM
1

...you know kindergarten doesn't start until age 5, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:29 PM
7

I like orgasms. Whether someone else does it for me is irrelevant. So I could easily live without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:26 PM
17

I wouldn't exist if my mom had been forced to carry her first pregnancy to term. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:24 PM
1

Yes, getting a stalker at work because you have to be polite for the sake of customer service does that to you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:23 PM
0

I was raised to not bother strangers unless I had something important to tell/ask them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:23 PM
3

....do you know what dictionaries are?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:22 PM
0

Exactly. So why is OP talking about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:21 PM
4

Stereotypically masculine looks. Give me Dr. Frankenfurter!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 05:56 PM
-6

Except no woman is forcing you to pay for them. You're still choosing those women of your own free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 05:52 PM
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"a set of attitudes and ways of behaving stereotypically associated with or expected of men, regarded as having a negative impact on men and on society as a whole."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 03:46 PM
9

....that's not even toxic masculinity. You should research the term before trying to use it in a sentence lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 03:38 PM
3

Yikes, I'd never date a guy who didn't see me as his equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:57 AM
7

Why do you guys think you're entitled to bother us just because your dicks are dry? At the very least, don't complain about how we reject you. If you don't care about whether you're bothering me, I'm not going to care about your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:55 AM
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I don't change my judgment of what makes someone a "good person" based on their gender identity. So frankly, I'm cool with doing away with the concepts of masculinity and femininity altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:50 AM
1

K
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:47 AM
1

Absolutely. Since I don't want to be a SAHM barefoot in the kitchen, the "why" seems obvious. I would not be able to have the life I want without feminism. I'm libfem and, frankly, disavow TERFs. Trans women are more my sisters than they are. Again, absolutely. I'd never date a guy who is anti-feminism. My husband is definitely a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:42 AM
1

It applies if they want me to be interested in dating them, which is the whole point of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 11:22 PM
1

If you don't want to be seen as racist, don't use racist language...?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 11:22 PM
1

The only practical reason that got discussed was the ability for him to get put on my insurance, because he was experiencing burnout at his job. But we were already engaged by that point lol And we have a solid prenup, so we're in no way idealistic about marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 11:20 PM
1

Yes, I am familiar with the racist phrase lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 10:31 PM
1

Of course, but that's because I think most people see marriage as a goal (social status, biological children, financially support in the case of more tradcon women, etc.). I'm talking about people like me, who never had marriage as a goal. As much as the conservatives in my family tried, I never internalized the idea that the best things I could aspire to as a woman were wife and mother. I was, and still am, fine with being single. And I'm still not having kids lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 10:08 PM
1

Yes, that's generally what dating standards are lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:51 PM
3

Consensual sex is immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:51 PM
1

Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:50 PM
1

Sure, but that's like telling me I have a strong belief the Sun will rise in the east tomorrow. It seems likely, almost guaranteed, but it's more or less irrelevant to my choices. That's why we moved in together and married long after most people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:50 PM
1

I'm saying I have no opinion either way. I haven't attempted to make any predictions. He could change never, he could change next year, he could change tomorrow. Who knows?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:47 PM
1

Okay. I lack that belief completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:44 PM
1

Again, I think it's a bad idea to get dating advice from your parents lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:41 PM
6

One drop rule? Dude, how racist are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:40 PM
1

Considering OP, I think the fact that it's bad speaks for itself lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:38 PM
1

From Google....expectation: a strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future. Do you agree or disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:37 PM
1

...your comment is almost nonsensical. Anyway, you haven't actually convinced me it's smart to get dating advice from your parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:36 PM
1

Your terms make no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:32 PM
1

Discuss =/= ask for advice. My mom is aware that I am married (discussed) but I have never asked for her advice lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:32 PM
9

How do you plan on enforcing morality a minority of people can't even do willingly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:31 PM
1

I'm debating in good faith, I'm just bored with your projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:21 PM
5

I was not told to network 20 years ago lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:21 PM
9

Refusing to be conservative is a crime now? lol And *progressive women. All the conservative women I know found their husbands in high school, too. That's why older conservative men have so much trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:19 PM
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I'm married and haven't been single since 2008. So no, I'm betting I'm ahead of you lol And I'm listening fine, you're just mad that I disagree with you. You also moved the goalposts to make a new argument: changing to acquire a relationship vs. changing once in a relationship, neither of which cover advice on a dating profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:17 PM
1

Ah, so they can pick for me but I can't pick for them? If a man is conservative, it is most assuredly rape because I'd never consent to one of those 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:15 PM
1

Nah, a troll implies I want to get people riled up. I don't care whether what I say upsets anyone. There are maybe two good men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:09 PM
1

Hey, you're the one reminiscing about rape lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:08 PM
0

If you admit that your problems are solely about online dating, why would you continue to use it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:08 PM
1

I'm here solely to laugh at manosphere men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:06 PM
1

You sound delusional........learn to accept that not everyone views relationships the way you do. Thoughts and prayers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:03 PM
0

Okay...? What's your point? Do you think you're entitled to a relationship because of that? If that's where you're at in life, it's on you to find someone who accepts that. I would never date a man who changed who he was just for the purposes of getting a relationship or sex. I do, in fact, want a self-actualized adult lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:00 PM
1

This was a waste of your time a while ago. I don't know why you can't accept that not every relationship has a goal lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:58 PM
1

You guys play the game because you have it as a goal, rather than seeing it as incidental. Women accept casual sex, but we want relationships (and some of us don't even want those, either). You guys want both.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:55 PM
1

Not the way I use the term. If I say I expect something, I'm going to take steps to make it happen. If it's a requirement....they either do it or they don't. I'm not going to try and convince them one way or the other. Example: my husband knows I would leave him if he suddenly became conservative. But he also knows that if he starts drifting in that direction, there isn't going to be anything from me other than the divorce papers lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:53 PM
1

Molestation therapist? Projecting much?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:51 PM
1

You apparently do, since you're still responding lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:48 PM
1

I'm talking about you 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:47 PM
1

But again, irrelevant to the standards we hold ourselves. We'd rather be single, or just hookup, than settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:46 PM
1

You should be focusing on being the sort of person you actually want to be with or without a partner, and THEN work on finding a woman you're compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:45 PM
1

But it's not an expected outcome. You can't have an expected outcome if you don't expect anything 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:44 PM
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Society isn't required to provide you with dating prospects. If the only way you can get women to be conservative is to force them...sit with that for a bit lol (Also, if you're conservative and weren't trying to find your wife in high school, you failed of your own volition)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:43 PM
1

Whether a guy sees me as relationship material does not impact how he gets judged on his own. He still has to meet all the same standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:40 PM
0

Our standards exist to eliminate men as possible partners. We don't care if you meet them, and we think it's sad that you'd try to use them as a guidebook. Similarly, we don't see your standards as a guidebook.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:38 PM
1

Seeking would include me getting into the relationship in order to acquire love. You seem to confuse "goal" with "requirement" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:35 PM
1

But that would imply I seek love, and I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:32 PM
1

I'm going with what pops up when I google "red pill sidebar." I've never even looked at the sidebar here lol And you didn't answer my question......
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:28 PM
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Okay. And I'm saying I don't have a desired outcome. The relationship simply is. As long as it benefits me, it will continue to exist. I would not put any effort into maintaining those benefits that don't come naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:27 PM
1

You think most men are good for dating? Have you seen men lately? lol Speaking as a bisexual, waaaaay more women are mature enough for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:23 PM
1

No, but I'm not seeing how that's a goal. A goal implies something I want and am going to put in effort to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:22 PM
1

You keep saying that but actually have yet to prove me wrong. Does the sidebar you see as orthodox include the bit about women as teenagers?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:22 PM
1

How is "consistently experience love" a goal if I don't care whether it is consistent? If my love for my husband started fading, do you believe I'd do anything about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:16 PM
1

Are you arguing I should assume all North Koreans support the Kim regime? lol Is it fair or unfair to judge TRP by the sidebar? Simple yes/no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:15 PM
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They could have picked the blue pill, or no pill, if they're just faking it to avoid a ban. Blue-pilled men are respectable. They're choosing TRP because they still find it preferable lol And again...if they don't want the label, they shouldn't use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:11 PM
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It's not mirroring. You're in a bad mood and it's putting her in a bad mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:09 PM
1

They're adopting the label for themselves. If they don't want to be viewed as TRP, they should stop referring to themselves as such. And I'm bitter simply because I don't like TRP men? How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:07 PM
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Not really. If I thought there was a goal, I'd ponder it. I'm very goal-oriented. But a relationship has never been a goal for me, nor has love. You're just trying to project your obsessive personality onto others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:06 PM
1

If you say so, I hope the TRP guys read this and choose you 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:05 PM
1

You're the one who started this conversation....are you actually expecting me to waste time thinking about something I'm indifferent to defining?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:03 PM
1

I go by the sidebar. Any man who subscribes to seeing grown women as teenagers is trash. Anyone who doesn't but claims he does anyway is also trash lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:03 PM
1

Ok. Are we done then or did you want me to change my mind about TRP men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:00 PM
1

I've never spent time trying to define it. (This is what I mean by you overthinking things lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:59 PM
1

Not really. It simply is. That's like saying being hungry makes me feel good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:56 PM
1

I don't get anything out of it. I'm with him because I love him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:54 PM
1

Then are you just correcting me to be annoying? If I had just opted for "All men on this sub are scum and I'd leave them to die on the side of the road" would that be better? lo
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:54 PM
1

Most things. My love is based on who he is as a person. If that changes, the love is gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:52 PM
1

Nope, because I would no longer love him. I've cut people out of my life for far less lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:49 PM
1

I feel like you're trying to simp for TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:48 PM
1

Then I have to assume you support rape lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:45 PM
1

There isn't a reason to. Not everyone is that meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:42 PM
1

Okay. But the old days does include rape (spousal rape wasn't criminalized in my state until the 1990s). Whether she is being raped herself, she supports other women being raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:41 PM
2

Okay....is that supposed to change my mind about tolerating TRP men? Did I say many here had TRP flair? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:38 PM
1

Well, she either consents or she doesn't. Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:34 PM
1

Well, you either support rape or you don't. Which side are you on? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:31 PM
1

Then they should correct their flair...? I don't know, it's not my job to sort through the manosphere subgroups especially when I think they're all trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:30 PM
1

I can think of two men who seem normal, but I forget their usernames
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:28 PM
1

Aspiring be TRP is also a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:18 PM
2

Flair suggests otherwise lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:15 PM
1

Why do you assume all women are feminists? I myself was partially raised to see sex as an obligation, with no consent required whatsoever. And the person who told me that the most was my grandmother lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:06 PM
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That is my response. You're saying I should ask women, not men, which means you think all men want to force women to have sex with them lol Has a woman ever willingly had sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:57 PM
2

Any TRP or tradcons are unwelcome in my home.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:52 PM
1

So...you're saying men are inherently evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:48 PM
0

I don't date strangers so the worst thing a man can possibly do is announce his intentions off the bat. I'll have to reject him either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:45 PM
1

Forcing women to have sex is abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:41 PM
1

So you approve of abuse so long as it's kept behind closed doors.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:31 PM
1

Sure, but I don't think those men will ever live down the shame of a woman not wanting them. That's a bigger complaint here than just not getting laid
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:28 PM
1

Men want pussy but some can't get it unless they actually force women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:22 PM
1

Yes, that also describes men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:20 PM
1

This may be a difference in strategy, then. I've never gone on a date with someone I had casual sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:16 PM
1

If you guys want "best at killing ourselves" you're welcome to it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:15 PM
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Pretty much anything having to do with finding/staying at a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:50 PM
1

I'm not running, I just don't think you're proving what you think you are. A "situationship" is not a relationship, and a hookup isn't a date lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:50 PM
1

I don't normally get involved with a man until I know precisely what I want them for: dating, or just sex lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:47 PM
1

Kinda like how the suicide rate for men is higher? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:46 PM
2

But it's not a relationship.... I don't see hooking up as a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:45 PM
1

And I'm pointing out that there is no "general view of wider society" when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:43 PM
2

How so? Why would I date a man who goes to his mommy for dating advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:42 PM
5

When he gets a real relationship, let me know. Unlike a man, I'm not impressed by a man getting casual sex lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:42 PM
1

Asking me what I'm going to "fucking do about it" comes across as a threat. Frankly, I'd leave the country or just kill myself. I'd rather be dead than assigned to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:38 PM
3

Gets girls for relationships, or just sex? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:37 PM
3

Of course there are different outlooks. Half my friends growing up were conservative Christian. They called it "courtship," had official date chaperones, etc. Meanwhile, my parents didn't even know whether I was dating anyone most of the time lol I don't know why you think a person who has a clear preference for dating one way is going to attract someone who dates differently. I would instantly dump a guy who calls it "courtship."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:35 PM
3

I'm saying he was already a lost cause if he asked her to begin with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:33 PM
1

I did already exist in my lifetime lol Do you genuinely believe you can threaten women and get results?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:32 PM
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Because it seems obvious to me that if you have a conservative outlook on dating, you're also getting conservative advice...and that the only women that advice is going to work on are conservative as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:26 PM
1

We got married because the party sounded fun. We'd already been dating for 12 years and living together for 8 when it happened lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:24 PM
6

It's that viewpoint that I don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:24 PM
1

Outing yourself as wanting to force women to fuck you is not the flex you think it is lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:23 PM
9

So then why wouldn't a man who has a conservative outlook on dating strictly pursue conservative women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:23 PM
1

Yes yes, I'm also aware of that incel revenge fantasy. It gets old.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:22 PM
5

So how is a parent a better choice than a peer?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:18 PM
1

Ok. None of that seems relevant. I was already aware that plenty of men can only get a woman when a woman is required to choose a man lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:18 PM
8

This all sounds very conservative....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:16 PM
4

No...I'm acting like asking your parents for dating advice is a bad idea, because I think it is. The only reason a parent needs to be involved at all is if you're one of those conservative types who thinks the girl's father needs to give you his permission to date his daughter. Unless you're going for that kind of relationship, parents aren't involved in any capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:16 PM
6

If you can't trust your friends for dating advice, they shouldn't be your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:12 PM
1

Delta?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:12 PM
1

My sympathy extends only to those who realize they're poorly socialized and do something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:11 PM
4

Being taught at an age when you don't have much of a choice =/= asking for advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:10 PM
3

Damaged beyond repair.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:38 PM
2

And?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:37 PM
6

But...why on earth would you be listening to them anyway? It sounds like these men never developed independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:34 PM
3

Grandpa got Grandma because she was one of 15 kids and her parents couldn't afford to care for her anymore lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:33 PM
11

That whole thread made me realize how many of these men were just poorly socialized from the beginning....not just with dating, but being able to relate to their peers at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:32 PM
10

How can you expect to get a date if you can't even make friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:26 PM
6

I've never asked my parents for advice on anything having to do with socializing with my peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:01 PM
12

Because she's my parent...? Why would I go to her for that? That's not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:54 PM
11

I never once asked my mom for dating advice. I asked friends or figured it out on my own. No wonder men are failing...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:51 PM
3

First one. I don't tolerate liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:46 PM
8

...who the fuck is getting dating advice from their parents, anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:45 PM
1

It's what the test said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:43 PM
1

....people still respect men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:02 PM
5

There are many different ways to have your shit together, and a lot of it varies by age. At this point in my life, I would not take on anyone who is going to be a burden in any way. I'm not paying his bills, I'm not cleaning up after him, I'm not managing his schedule, etc. He has to be a functioning adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:19 AM
1

My husband is like that but with shellfish. . (Also, I adore your flair)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:10 AM
1

I still think you're putting too much emphasis on the idea that the relationship is needed intrinsically. I'm with my husband because I love him. That's about it. I don't rely on him to make me happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:09 AM
2

😈
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:19 PM
3

Off the bat? Yes....although I can imagine it if they are flawless in every other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:10 PM
1

Well I'm assuming these desperate dudes aren't looking for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:09 PM
1

Might be a culture thing. All my 50+ friends are either married or avoid men like the plague.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:58 PM
1

I don't know any men who like fucking ugly dudes, either. AMALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:57 PM
3

Well obviously these men don't meet standards either, otherwise they wouldn't be sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:56 PM
13

I always enjoyed going to clubs to dance, but the type of men who were at the straight clubs were ick (Jersey Shore type), so I stuck mostly with LGBTQ clubs. For me, it was always about the house parties. There are beds already available, FFS!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:53 PM
2

Beggars can't be choosers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:48 PM
2

Pretty sure everyone likes only fucking hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:47 PM
1

The sluttiest women you know are over 50? You need to hang out with more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:28 PM
1

Only if he's wrong about how slutty they are
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:27 PM
2

Keep in mind, these are the same men who wish we could turn back the clock and make women dependent on a man lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:12 PM
1

Hey sexless men...have you asked the sluttiest women you know to give you a pity fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:07 PM
2

Damn, I'd leave my husband if he became conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 07:53 PM
3

Same reason why slutty men complain about slutty women...?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 07:50 PM
1

If someone else is fucking my husband, could you please grab him some peanut butter? JIF creamy k thx.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 07:49 PM
7

Sure, but you're also arguing there should be a goal. Not everyone needs that, because not everyone is in a relationship for its own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 07:12 PM
2

100% agree. Men would be wise to separate their actual problems from their inability to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 04:09 PM
4

Okay...? What does any of this have to do with what I said? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:45 PM
1

I just don't see an excuse to try to argue with someone rejecting you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:36 PM
3

TIL my husband is my twin sister lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:34 PM
4

What does that have to do with seeing your partner is an adversary?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:33 PM
1

That doesn't really excuse the complaining. People have the right to refuse to give you those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:33 PM
27

I don't think most people have a goal (I know I don't) because we don't see the relationship as a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 03:12 PM
16

....I'm sorry, are we suddenly in a relationship now? I'd better tell my husband 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 09:04 AM
2

I'm bisexual. If I thought all men were horrible people, I'd just stick with women lol It also helps when you never date strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:54 AM
15

It's not "same difference." The fact that you think it is says a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:45 AM
26

The point is that you aren't debating. If that's how you're approaching an argument, I don't think you actually care much about the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 07:07 AM
45

All three of your examples are grounded in your partner being your adversary instead of...well, your partner. If that's how you perceive them, you shouldn't be with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 07:02 AM
3

shrug I just prefer feminine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:56 AM
3

I think here it is useful to distinguish between niceness/pleasantness and genuine kindness/respect. As the Penn and Teller saying goes: "I have raped as many people as I want to: none." What you're suggesting is that "nice guys" do want to do all those things, but they don't. While that may be a slight improvement on a social level, I'm still going to choose the guy who shows me he doesn't base his morals on what gets him laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:54 AM
3

Why are you equating, first, niceness with kindness...and second, niceness with submission?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:51 AM
0

Seems tradcon. Ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 05:45 AM
2

If I have to judge on face alone, he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 05:42 AM
2

Sure, but that place is going to be far, far away from me. I don't live in a warzone lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 05:40 AM
1

I'm fairly certain I told him I was indifferent. I know I've said I wouldn't care if he slept with someone else, so long as he didn't lie about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 05:39 AM
1

I haven't tried it yet but there's a studio near my house that offers classes. It's super expensive, though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:51 AM
2

I'm indifferent to monogamy, in the sense that I let the other person decide whether they want something open. The only thing I expect is that the rules are equal...none of that "I can fuck other people but you can't" bullshit. My hubby is big on monogamy, so I'm just going with the flow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:49 AM
1

this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:04 AM
1

Aerial hoops
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:53 AM
1

See, you should have led with that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:52 AM
3

Pole dancing is such a good workout. Next up: the lyra
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:35 AM
2

How many men are religious? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:28 AM
1

People still grind? Is this homecoming 2002?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:04 AM
3

For me...I just try to imagine the sort of person who watches Real Housewives. I like coming here to see what trashy shit everyone is up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:03 AM
0

I'm 5'4 and have never had an issue with how tall I am. I've really never thought about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:19 PM
10

Not in my experience. Most men I have encountered in my lifetime have a ninth-grade reading level lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:04 PM
1

The generalization in the post seems obvious to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:21 PM
2

But I'm not obligated to do that for him. If a person thinks all gay people are pedophiles, should any gay person so much as give them the time of day? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:41 PM
2

Why? I think the latter is true, otherwise why would he generalize? Men who are set on viewing women poorly do not respond to "but I'm not like that" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:29 PM
1

I'm implying that the issue is the violence, not that you feel expected to do anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:17 PM
5

The bigger red flag is that you're in a place where people beat on women frequently, not that you're expected to defend them. I haven't seen a fight in person since high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:14 PM
3

Since I can't reply to the mod: I think that was pretty civil in comparison to OP lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:10 PM
1

I'm the one that's super rare...INTJ, maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:10 PM
2

I don't normally ask my friends for favors of any sort. If I need a ride, I get a Lyft. If I need a drink, I buy one myself. If I need my toilet fixed, I call a plumber. I was raised to not be dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:05 PM
3

Leaving a partner who wants me to be someone I'm not is a solution, especially when you're perfectly fine being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:26 PM
1

I generally give someone my all off the bat when it comes to friendships, but then I'm completely unforgiving once they mess up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:25 PM
3

No, I don't. I generally cut friends out after strike one. The ones I'm friends with now aren't shitty, but they're still in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:22 PM
1

I'm not here to proselytize, especially to a man who I think is already too far gone lol If he wants to view women that way, that's his call. It's not to my detriment, because he'll likely never be my friend anyway. And I don't do sexual "favors" when it comes to friendships of any gender, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:20 PM
3

How is it coping to prefer being single over being with a man who expects you to have kids? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:18 PM
2

Except...I'm not. If I thought my experiences were reflective of men as a whole, I wouldn't socialize with them at all lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:17 PM
3

They already do tax me more, because parents receive tax credits and whatnot that I don't. It's still cheaper than being a parent lol And if my husband is that kind of man, I'm better off without him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:08 PM
4

Um...no? I'm just saying I don't see the need to generalize all women in this instance unless you already broadly dislike them. I don't generalize the value of men when it comes to friendships, despite the fact that most men I have been friends with were shitty, useless, and just wanted to get in my pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:56 PM
3

I have no interest in being valued for my ability to reproduce lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:54 PM
2

Then would you also think it fair to say a majority of male friends are really just around because they want sex and, in fact, aren't capable of friendship at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:51 PM
1

Hey, if you want honest replies it's on you to steer the conversation. I'm trying to break the habit of engaging with anyone here once they get personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:49 PM
2

How is it bad for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:48 PM
4

Not buying it, unless the guy can prove he's attempted to be friends with 90% of all women in existence lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:47 PM
9

But that doesn't explain the generalization. I can say "I'm not going to accept trauma dumps from my male friends" without thinking all men trauma dump. I simply get better at setting my own boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:44 PM
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And that's fine. Just recognize that women are doing the same. But the bigger problem is that these men just seem incapable of liking women platonically, which is a red flag. I would never date a man I am not friends with first.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:41 PM
1

Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:37 PM
4

Yeah, that first sentence sounds a tad racist/xenophobic
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:36 PM
8

The fact that he's generalizing at all...? When it comes to friendships, my demands and expectations do not change based on gender identity. And I judge someone on their own merits. I don't feel the need to preemptively say that one gender is better for friendship than another. Plus, the attitude of "what do you bring to the table besides pussy?" is something men usually complain about when women ask what they bring to the table besides a wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:35 PM
5

Oh, I definitely don't want kids because I don't want to go through pregnancy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:27 PM
3

And if you're like me and don't want kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:21 PM
3

So you don't care but you think women shouldn't have jobs...?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:17 PM
1

That among other things. I don't need to get personal, mostly because the only reason I remember someone at all here is if I like them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:16 PM
5

I'm with my husband because I want him, not because I need him. Again, that'd assume desperation. And you're clearly tradcon, so what you view as an ethical society (when it comes to dating and sex) is vastly different from my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:56 PM
4

I get paid well enough
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:50 PM
4

I've been with my husband since 2008. It helps to find a man who is also not desperate lol Would you say that you believe men are owed sex in exchange for doing their jobs? Would you prefer that over an income?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:43 PM
6

You're focusing on a type of strength rooted in aggression. I generally avoid men who seem to have quick tempers and think physical confrontation is acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:42 PM
1

Plus, you got personal with it. As I stated, I've had this opinion since I was young enough to be a target. Men seem to really have this revenge fantasy where older and younger women are at odds with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:35 PM
1

None of the reasons you gave for a man wanting a younger woman were non-predatory from my POV. Like I said earlier...if it was just about younger women being hot, that's one thing. But anything that rests on older women being damaged? Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:34 PM
4

I've never felt like I needed a relationship. I don't even give them thought until I meet someone I want one with. And expecting them to like me just the way I am is a big part of that want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:32 PM
8

I don't know many men desperate to work at libraries, but okay lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:23 PM
3

I think that you're assuming we're as desperate as you are, which would be a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:22 PM
8

I make my own money. If you took on a financial dependent for a partner, that's your own fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:14 PM
3

Why do we have to collaborate? What another woman does with her dating and sex life is none of my business lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:13 PM
8

Yes, because we pay you instead of fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:07 PM
4

Sure, but I really wish you guys would own up to it and stop making your desperation our problem to fix for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:03 PM
1

And you proved me right as well, so I guess we're on the same page now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:01 PM
3

Then why complain?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:00 PM
2

Stop trying to make yourself a victim in this scenario lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:00 PM
4

I don't know how to say it any more plainly lol There are just as many horrible women as there are horrible men. But men still desperately try to fuck those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:59 PM
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Ha, no. If anything, I sympathize with younger women because I know exactly what they're going through. Life just gets so much better when you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:58 PM
1

And my point is that I don't want the guy who lusts after the bikini babe anyway lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:57 PM
1

But isn't that a very tradcon take to begin with: whether you divorce is more important than whether you're actually happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:14 PM
5

I never thought they were. But men seem to think so, otherwise they still wouldn't be so desperate to fuck us lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:13 PM
5

Whenever they complain about not getting them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:12 PM
3

But isn't it your own fault for agreeing to pay for all her stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:11 PM
1

If you're going to get personal, we're done.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:07 PM
9

Cutting off contact is fine. My experience is that "nice guys" will try to debate you into dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:31 AM
1

For it to be misandry, you'd have to prove I think a majority of men pursue younger women. I apparently have a higher opinion of men than you lol And I had the same opinion of men who pursued younger women when I was 13 and started getting hit on by grown men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:31 AM
2

Sure, but what does that prove if you aren't trying to date a majority of the population? I can judge individuals just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:29 AM
8

I would say the "nice guys" fit the second description far more than the first. They clearly don't handle rejection maturely.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:18 AM
2

Agreed. So if a man can think a woman who has been with lots of men is damaged, what is the problem with me judging him for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:16 AM
1

And that's fine. Are we not allowed to judge you for it? It's not like we're asking you what your preferences are (because no one gives a fuck)....y'all are announcing them to a bunch of strangers on the internet and then get mad when we comment lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:15 AM
1

Either one lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:14 AM
3

And I wouldn't. I've seen enough horrible and abusive marriages last until one of the parties dies, just because divorce wasn't an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:07 AM
3

Exactly what I said...? No one here has yet to offer a reason to prefer younger women that doesn't come across as predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:06 AM
2

Then wouldn't the same apply to my judgment of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:04 AM
3

Also, I don't think I'm making any assumptions that haven't been backed up by what they're saying here (including you).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:57 AM
4

Why are you assuming the only way to get any baggage is to be cheated on? This seems like some weird obsession men have. I hate to break it to you, but being cheated on is perhaps one of the least horrible things that can happen to a woman vis a vis men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:56 AM
1

I disagree. I think the freedom to have casual sex has eliminated what was always my biggest fear in dating: ending up with a guy who was with me just for sex, or who confuses lust with love. I more or less cringe at any sort of social engineering surrounding dating or sex. As long as it's consensual, I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:55 AM
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You're using too many tropes. All of this can be summed up into two groups of "bad guys": People who lie or misrepresent their intentions People who do not respect someone else's standards and who don't take "no" for an answer
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:53 AM
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I had a higher opinion of men as a group before coming here. I had no clue so many men still feel entitled to a woman's time and body.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:46 AM
3

And how is my judgment of those men different?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:43 AM
2

And I read that as "I'm not at all a good person to date and I need a woman dumb enough to not know that" lol The only reason to bemoan someone's standards is because you don't live up to them and think they should settle for you instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:43 AM
1

To me, it's a personal choice. I don't support pressuring someone in either direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:36 AM
4

That cites dissolution, not satisfaction. Please tell me you aren't naive enough to believe that all unhappy marriages end in divorce lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:35 AM
1

But why would they need support if it's a good idea? EDIT: also, I'd say those women have the same issue, just like FDS is the equivalent of TRP (and both groups deserve each other)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:27 AM
3

That's how it comes across lol And I have seen men here say they don't want a woman who will compare him to previous men she's been with, either in terms of a relationship or sex. If the only way you can succeed in a relationship is through your partner's naivety, that does come across as predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:26 AM
1

If it had been clear that's what you thought, I would have lol My point was that men need to proselytize the decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:15 AM
5

Then what is the point of seeing a woman who has been with a lot of men as having baggage?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:14 AM
1

...please, show me where I said that women are less susceptible to loneliness. I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:59 AM
5

If you don't see men as inherently bad, why would you see a woman who has been with more men as damaged?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:57 AM
6

Then they'd be pursuing virgins and holding themselves to the same standard. In my experience, men who do that aren't the ones having a problem (unless they slacked off and waited until their 20s).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:57 AM
2

I forget where I heard it but I remember coming across the following as a teenager: a partner will not fix your life. A partner will enhance a life that is already wonderful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:26 AM
1

But what is this biased belief you think I should change? That it's a good idea to get married just because you're lonely? And no, they aren't "wrong" for feeling lonely. They're wrong for thinking a relationship is the only thing that can fix it. Men who think the same are wrong, too. Healthy friendships and family relationships fix the same problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:17 AM
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Yeah, staying together for the kids is the dumbest thing any couple can do. The only way having divorced parents may have affected my views on marriage is that I grew up with my mom as my role model: a single woman who had a great and financially successful career and didn't need a man in the house. Because of that, I didn't see being single as some horrible thing. Being with a man who doesn't make your life better would be far worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:15 AM
3

My parents' marriage is non-existent from my perspective (it ended when I was five) and I've never been afraid of marriage or commitment. Maybe it depends on when it happens to you....?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:10 AM
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Depends on the reason why. If it was just "Younger women are hotter" then sure. But they usually make it clear that they think a younger woman with less experience with relationships are sex will be more likely to put up with their bullshit. That is predatory, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:09 AM
1

The data has no impact on my judgment, so I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. If you're just arguing that there's a lot of people out there trying to get into relationships for the wrong reason, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:07 AM
1

So....essentially, your argument is that it's not unhealthy because a lot of people do it? That's not very compelling lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:00 AM
2

You seem to be contradicting yourself. You say that yes, a person who can't maintain friendships can still have healthy relationships. But then you state that you prioritized friendships. That's exactly what I'm arguing in favor of. What you cite regarding marriage is, to me, a red flag. Neither my husband nor I are each other's only social contact. I do not believe it is healthy to be that, so if a person can only cure their loneliness through a relationship, they aren't fit for one to begin wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:52 AM
2

....that's my point. They're around friends, ergo they aren't lonely and have nothing to bemoan. Do you genuinely expect me to believe that a person who cannot maintain good friendships is worth dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:41 AM
1

Then I'm missing your point. I was rejected by a guy who wanted a virgin. It was actually one of the most polite and respectful rejections I've ever experienced. He was a virgin himself and expected the same from a partner for religious reasons. We stayed friends and I even tried to hook him up with some of my virgin female friends lol Clearly, you were disgusted by your partner but stayed anyway. I'm glad it worked out for you, but the fact that you did so at all just tells me you were desperat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:39 AM
1

Absolutely. The only women who would have been with your friend were the nerdy women ALSO playing MtG lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:35 AM
4

The report you cite specifically mentions the pandemic. The women I know who don't want a relationship "went their own way" long before 2020. Like...decades ago lol Plus, nowhere in the report does it specifically mention romantic/sexual relationships. When I'm lonely, my friends and family do just as much to address that as my husband (if not more). One of my friends who has sworn off relationships is one of the most social people I know. She's usually the opposite of lonely: desperate for a da…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:34 AM
1

So.. you wanted a virgin but settled. So everyone else should? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:27 AM
2

You're describing lust, not love. No woman wants the guy to be with her just for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:26 AM
2

At least when I was that age, being into MtG would have automatically eliminated social standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:26 AM
5

As a former slut who is attracted strictly to nerds, I disagree. But I'm also a nerd, and I get the vibe that these guys want Insta thots.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:50 AM
5

I don't even know what that is lol I've told men on here before that if they want to get laid, they should be pursuing the sluttiest women they hear about in environments where casual sex is common and basically expected. But they don't like to hear that if they're so unattractive, only a woman with low standards is going to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:45 AM
4

They should at least offer to buy the lube, because I'll be drier than the Sahara....
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:44 AM
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Problem is, you're describing a type of man I'm not actually attracted to. You can't expect women to give advice that's separate from their own preferences, because men aren't capable of that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:39 AM
7

Bingo, but at the same time they'll refuse to just use sex workers. Am I supposed to work for free?!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:37 AM
3

Ah, yeah hyperactivity is not one of my problems. I can sit at my desk for hours and only get up to pee...or get more coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:35 AM
1

Are we talking now, or 20 years ago? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:34 AM
1

One, and he had serious mental health issues that he allowed to go untreated for a long time. He wasn't even ugly...I had a crush on him until I found out how fucked up in the head he was.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:31 AM
1

Where did I mention women at all? It's very simple. If I say "Men who are X are horrible people" and the only response I get is "Well, ALL men do X"...that just means all men are horrible people. And that is, in fact, the response I get the most on this sub (see: the recent posts about lying to get laid). I also don't see where women have a privilege in this area.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:30 AM
3

Bi chick here, I haven't really noticed this at all. My cishet hubby and I both like looking at hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:28 AM
3

I (think I) have ADHD and being at a computer actually helps. Tech helps me organize myself, which keeps me on task. I use Trello to organize my work tasks and it was a game changer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:26 AM
8

It's why men have MGTOW, but for women, it's just a basic life decision that doesn't need to be turned into a movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:24 AM
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I genuinely believe that no matter what they say, the only thing that will make them happy is if a woman agrees to sleep with them. And since that's never ever going to be me, there's absolutely nothing I can do to help them. So why bother? As for genuine mental health issues, the men on this sub in particular seem very anti-mental healthcare. So likewise, I don't know what they expect. I have anxiety, my husband is bipolar. We both see professionals and we both take our prescribed meds. But mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:23 AM
1

I've never met an NB who tries so hard to convince women to make babies. Y'all are generally more progressive than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:48 PM
1

NB? Even more intriguing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:44 PM
1

Damn, so you're a woman trying to pressure other women into having kids? Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:18 PM
1

Except none of his post is intellectual. It's just him ranting about being rejected by a woman he thought was beneath him anyway (which begs the question of why he even wanted her to say yes to him).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:00 PM
1

This was 20 years ago lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:58 PM
1

Holding standards but making exceptions (not gender specific) Seeing any abusive behavior as acceptable (not gender specific) Expecting to be financially supported (the female equivalent of a man expecting a woman to be financially dependent on him) Having casual sex for the purpose of convincing the guy to choose a relationship (the female equivalent of a man faking romantic interest to get laid)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:33 PM
1

Already replied to your other comment lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:28 PM
6

Then men need to stop blaming their gender for so many of their behaviors. If you want to be treated as individuals, you have to own your own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:27 PM
1

I wouldn't say most men are ugly. They just look like basic NPCs. That being said, men seem to do less for their appearance. They don't have styled hair, they clearly don't care for their skin, they don't dress for their body type, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:23 PM
1

I have never once felt compelled to even think about someone who rejects me for more than maybe an hour after said rejection. They don't want me, and I respect their choice and their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:20 PM
1

But how is that an abnormal pattern? That's just dating 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:19 PM
1

No sports or stereotypical male interests...very into things like gaming, anime/manga, and at least three other things that they hyperfocus on. Example: the guy I'm thinking of was obsessed with insects.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:18 PM
1

And you assume I support women feeling entitled to sex because...?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:16 PM
0

No one is entitled to a relationship, because no one is obligated to date anyone. If you're not capable of rejecting someone without shaming them, you need help. If you perceive rejecting someone as shaming them intrinsically, you also need help. And that last paragraph is basically you saying women should be required to fuck men they don't want so those men can have better lives. That's fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:14 PM
1

Imagine thinking you have any kind of argument after saying you'd still have sex with a woman you see as a bad person...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:11 PM
1

Then don't complain about being treated as disposable, about how no one cares about men's issues that have nothing to do with dating or sex, etc. You really cannot have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:30 PM
2

So far, you have only described the opinions of people who aren't actually giving birth...I have to assume you're a man, because only a man would view a woman's body as existing for his enjoyment alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:28 PM
1

Getting your taint ripped open is beautiful? You go try it then, let me know how beautiful you feel lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:23 PM
1

U mad?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:20 PM
1

You're the one who seems to need to relax here lol You can write whatever you like, but I have a low opinion of men who lie to get laid. If you want to justify that behavior, the opinion extends to you. This is why it's so hard to respect men nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:19 PM
5

It's undeniable for a type of person who I'm not sure should have it easy when it comes to dating. I mean, you just admitted to pursuing a woman you don't actually find attractive and then got so mad when she rejected you that you felt the need to write your comment. What sane person does this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:18 PM
3

You could have made that argument without sounding so entitled. "How dare a woman this horrible reject me!" Are you kidding? You wanted her to begin with, but now she's suddenly horrible? lol The dynamic is not fucked unless you are incapable of respecting other people's choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:07 PM
1

Take your manifesto elsewhere, no one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:59 PM
1

Though they might be a bit prettier than most women So based on your comment, you don't find that particularly relevant in deterring how average someone is. Does this also extend to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:58 PM
2

No, you're damaged because you got this worked up over someone rejecting you. Plus, you're reminding me of that guy who recently got arrested in TN after posting some incel manifesto. Same outlook on dating, same apparent sense of entitlement to someone else's time and attention, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:54 PM
3

I could see myself adopting, but the experience of pregnancy sounds atrocious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:38 PM
5

Attorney lady dodged a bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:36 PM
-1

See my other comment. You are behaving as though you are entitled to sex, and that makes you a horrible person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:07 PM
-1

And that right there is your problem: turning rejection into a question of morality. That's the same attitude that kept spousal rape legal for so long.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:05 PM
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Are the men who are lying the same men who complain about AMALT? Lying to get laid does make you a trash human being, so as long as you accept you're trash, it should be fine. But you can't behave like that and then wonder why you're treated horribly when the lie falls through.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:05 AM
5

Based on the nerdiest, least successful, and most broadly undesirable men I have known: -maybe some dates in high school, at least for dances and things like that. Maybe a relationship or two in that 4-year period. Maybe sex -virginity lost in college, either in a relationship or at a party where everyone is horny and on drugs and looking to fuck -if their priorities include a wife and kids, they lock down someone in college. Dating continues maybe for another year or two after graduation, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:01 AM
2

Poor man's award for you 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:57 AM
2

Not dating unless you find someone you're extremely into, average or otherwise, does the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:22 AM
1

I could never not work. To me, it's just basic adulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:20 AM
1

Yeah, they're all gross. Second guy is the closest to being attractive, but I would want him to keep his pants on so I don't have to see those thighs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:16 AM
8

I've seen a comedian talk about that: men want women to dick the same way gay men already love dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:09 AM
0

My conscience doesn't look favorably on men who feel entitled to sex. There is no excuse for it. And ultimately, that's the central problem with incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:33 PM
1

🤣 You started this conversation with an insult. I'm pretty sure that's considered inviting it, just like I'm pretty sure that's NOT you expressing fear, pain, or distress. You said what you said. No one forced you. Own it, and stop pretending there is anything redeemable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:22 PM
1

You offered after being rude and pretty much outing yourself as feeling entitled to sex lol Maybe be kind from the beginning, and you get that kindness returned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:11 PM
1

I'm only flattered if a woman says it. If a man says it, it means he would have left me alone if I looked my age lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:09 PM
0

Of course I'm going to spit in your face. You were an utter ass and then claimed to offer an "olive branch" as if I give a fuck. You need to learn that you are not entitled to a second change, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:08 PM
1

What trauma have you experienced? (Dry dick is not trauma, so if that's what you're about to say, fuck right off)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:01 PM
1

I have a sneaky suspicion that asking you out the last time I was single would have been pedophilia lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:52 PM
1

I agree, but that's why I wouldn't date a guy who'd never been on a date before. If that was willing, our goals are quite different. To me, dating was just a given part of the social experience from 8th grade on. It'd be like a guy telling me he made it to age 25 without ever making a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:46 PM
1

Yes yes, we get it. To you, not having sex is worse than rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:44 PM
1

One of two scenarios: He's seen as a potential boyfriend because he expressed romantic interest (not merely sexual). Since men will often fake that to get laid, it's why I make men wait when they say they want a date and not just sex. No romantic interest expressed, but she went into it anyway hoping he'd change his mind. I'd say she's a little dumb, and that you should never agree to casual sex while hoping it could be more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:43 PM
1

After 18? Yes. In the last year, no because I was married this past year lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:40 PM
0

You're talking to someone who was assaulted when she was 12. I have no sympathy for men who feel entitled to my body.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:37 PM
0

If I didn't enjoy incels whining and feeling entitled to sex, I wouldn't be here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:33 PM
0

Absolutely. My friends and I were asking guys out when we were 14 lol The only way it'd sound normal to me is if she had an arranged marriage from birth or something and was never ever actually single.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:32 PM
1

Still a consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:31 PM
1

It's the self-pity that loses me. It's one thing to want a virgin, but assuming you're fine with her having had sex at all, why would it matter if you thought the guy she fucked was hotter than you? What's this obsession with being the best when a VAST majority of men aren't even good enough at all? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:30 PM
1

To me, it is not normal to make it to 25 and never ask anyone out. I would even be suspicious of a woman who could say that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:28 PM
1

Yes, I'm aware men like you really hate consequences lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:27 PM
1

Then I would say that's their fault for marrying someone who's bad at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:20 PM
1

I'm loving that for me. This comment will be framed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:19 PM
0

But that's what YOU value ...I hate to break it to you, but what you want doesn't factor in at all lol To me, a person being hotter than someone else is irrelevant. Attraction is pass/fail, so being top of the class has no influence on how I value someone. When a man continues to insist that a woman is lying about who she values more, it just comes across as him being desperate for victimhood...or, he just hates women and nothing we say will matter anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:11 PM
1

But again, that's different from saying someone is unattractive, which is what I hear the most in this sub. Personally, I have the same threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:05 PM
1

I'm the opposite. My mom and I had our first dates at the same age (14), and I was actually one of the last people in my social circle to get a boyfriend (16 vs. 14-15). By graduation, most of my friends were already with their future husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:04 PM
1

But how is that relevant? Attraction is pass/fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:00 PM
1

And that's fine. But would you at least stop trying to project your values onto women? I cannot take a man seriously when he tries to argue that the guy I fucked and ghosted is somehow superior to my husband, because for most of us the guys we fuck casually aren't fit for dating. If they were, we'd date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:00 PM
1

And they're free to. But if they were already capable of doing that, they wouldn't be on the internet asking for advice from complete strangers. Most people, regardless of their particular problem, handle it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:40 PM
1

So as a man, you want to be valued entirely for your looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:37 PM
1

What normal reason would you say there is to not go on a single date before 25?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:34 PM
1

But that's different from arguing that they're unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:32 PM
1

We understand, but the same way I understand it when narcissists get frustrated that someone isn't paying attention to them. How do you arrive at the conclusion that you are a "downgrade"? If you'd rather be the guy who gets used for sex, then have at it. But it seems like gaslighting to argue that a woman values you less than the men she fucked once, probably regrets, and never saw again. Your outlook is not what determines your value...hers is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:30 PM
1

Okay, so long as they don't complain about being judged for lying, I'm good.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:17 PM
1

Nevermind the age I'm at currently...at 25, there is no way I would have dated a guy who had never even been on a date. That's a level of awkwardness I was happy to leave back in middle school.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:16 PM
1

There's no need to make that assumption, though. You can judge them as they are. And from what I've seen here, it's the men who are extremely entitled....otherwise you wouldn't be trying to argue that "effort" should matter lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:14 PM
2

What other option is there then? Hire a sex worker?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:11 PM
50

Then I cannot possibly take you seriously lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:10 PM
1

I'm less interested in how they became millionaires and more interested in how being millionaires affects their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:10 PM
1

And that's their call. But if they're outright lying, there's no excuse for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:09 PM
56

And the women in these movies are average?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:31 PM
2

Lying is a separate issue. I'm not going to date a guy who thinks it's okay to lie just so he can get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:30 PM
1

I'm judging lack of experience...not of opportunity or effort, because neither of those things mean much to me. And what good is effort if it didn't lead to any actual success? I
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:29 PM
2

Yikes, I would not lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:27 PM
2

If he can find one who wants him, go for it. It just seems obvious to me that you would try to pursue someone with the same amount of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:23 PM
1

Possibly, I'm just not buying it. The less experience one has, the more they tend to see dating as some puzzle to solve (see: this sub lol). That was less annoying when I was also inexperienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:22 PM
1

Cute try, but the equivalent of a man who has never been on a date is a woman who has never been on a date. Regardless of how you got there, I'm judging the fact that you've never had the experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:17 PM
1

The lack of experience. It's the same reason why I wouldn't see a massage therapist who's never given a massage: I want someone who knows what they're doing. Have you ever been a person's first date? It's horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:53 PM
2

Are you actually trying to argue that Musk is not elitist?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:52 PM
2

As a person, I wouldn't think less of them. But I wouldn't date them. I don't need to relive that sort of dating lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:48 PM
1

Both lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:48 PM
1

Then most men are good-looking, ergo it's still not normal lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:48 PM
3

So the kid in my class who was a furry before it even became a thing and yet still got girlfriends was...a Chad? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:33 PM
1

I mean...I had a friend who literally had an arranged marriage, and she still started "courting" when she was 14 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:32 PM
3

I'm still blown away by someone thinking it's normal to make it to 25 without having gone on a single date.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:21 PM
2

That will be your own personal struggle, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:17 PM
-1

I'm trying to be as kind as possible lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:48 PM
1

Your respect is worthless to me. I'm talking about staying on topic and avoiding personal attacks lol If you perceive me saying I would not date someone as a personal attack, you are far more entitled than even most of the men here. So....either stay on topic, or go get mad at another woman somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:38 PM
1

Then stop being such an asshole and learn to respect what others desire from their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:33 PM
1

Depends on the issues. As the saying goes, I'm looking for baggage that goes with mine lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:32 PM
2

So....should we be giving out pity fucks then? Exactly what do these inexperienced men believe they're entitled to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:31 PM
1

Their problem, not mine lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:31 PM
1

All I said is that I wouldn't date or fuck him and you're getting your balls in a twist lol That's what's wrong with men like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:30 PM
-5

shrug Google
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:29 PM
4

...you think engineering students are average? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:29 PM
1

Nope, I've met enough alcoholics to know it's never entirely in the past. Even when their addiction is under control, they tend to not take care of themselves mentally and emotionally. I don't date men who need me to fix them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:29 PM
0

Great, then they should look for people with the same outlook on dating. That's not me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:26 PM
1

Definitely not alcoholism. It'd depend on the chronic illness and what sort of burden they could become.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:25 PM
1

And they're free to. Just don't complain when we assume you're all lying and have no integrity lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:24 PM
-1

And?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:20 PM
3

Is he going to pay me to date him? 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:20 PM
-1

Then it should be easy for those people to find someone on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:19 PM
-4

Isn't there a femcel community?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:17 PM
3

I said socially stunted, which they are from my perspective if they made it to adulthood without going on a single date lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:17 PM
1

36
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:14 PM
2

I just don't see why you wouldn't stick to people in the same situation as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:14 PM
2

Frame it however you like. Bottom line is, I have no interest in being anyone's first date lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:14 PM
1

My first date was when I was 14 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:10 PM
1

Should adult women with zero experience pursue regular men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:09 PM
3

Then you'd better find someone willing to go through some of the worst parts of dating a second time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:06 PM
3

I wouldn't be someone's first date that late in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:04 PM
4

He should date a woman who also made it to her mid-20s without ever going on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:00 PM
1

Nope, because really it seems like you're just desperate to make men sound incapable lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:37 PM
1

Maybe you shouldn't be going to clubs...?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:29 PM
1

Most late night social events I go to show men succeeding lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:20 PM
1

In my experience, men do not manage their mental health very well. The fact that my husband is an exception is a big reason why I'm with him. They tend to "vent" about exceptionally serious problems, and at the same time they refuse treatment for obvious depression, anxiety, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:16 PM
1

My husband has a lower libido than I do. I just masturbate more lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:10 PM
0

Being boring is not the same thing as having anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:09 PM
2

A man who has reached his mid-20s without ever going on a date is not average. He should be pursuing women who are equally socially stunted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:08 PM
1

Nah, we already know not to feel special because we receive sexual attention. We were raised on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:03 PM
1

And you're so desperate to avoid ownership of your choices...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:02 PM
0

No lol Your logic only makes sense if you can prove every man wants to be a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:01 PM
2

You can either match energy, or complain. Not both.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:00 PM
1

And you sound like you're desperate to be a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:00 PM
2

So if you're none of those things, why would you think one would want to date you? Shy people usually date other shy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:59 PM
1

How much casual sex have you had? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 12:19 AM
2

Then why are you trying to argue that slutting it up is hard for men because few men are sluts?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 12:18 AM
7

Then pay for your bastards lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 12:10 AM
1

And men wonder why we think they're horrible people lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 12:02 AM
2

Great, if they're casting such a wide net they won't be bothered by me running from it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:58 PM
3

So you're assuming that the only reason a man wouldn't be a slut is because they're incapable..... No one hates men more than men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:57 PM
3

Neither my husband nor I are that sexist about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:45 PM
1

Ah, and you're conservative. Yeah, to me you can't have a low opinion of someone you want to fuck and not be seen as pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:44 PM
6

I used to be super supportive of men signing away parental rights in exchange for not owing child support. Then......I got to this sub and saw how many men refuse to wear condoms. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:43 PM
1

Seriously? Because I once got a ban for saying I wouldn't fuck a guy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:41 PM
1

🤣 From what I can see, you have zero dignity. No one with dignity says the shit you just said about women while still trying to fuck them......
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:39 PM
1

^ but calling a man trash is just too mean 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:38 PM
2

Yes, because so many men are fucking with the purpose of making babies. That's why there's a whiny post about child support here every few day 🤣 Give me a break. Men are settling for relationships because they're desperate for sex, and then they're complaining. They created the mess they're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:36 PM
1

You're moving the goalposts lol First it's Reddit...then subs...then non-dating subs (because apparently I should tolerate men being sexist little shits so long as they're having trouble finding a girlfriend 🙄) How about this...don't dish out what you can't take.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:34 PM
1

Ah, okay. Yeah I'm semi-Bible Belt lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:32 PM
3

Sure, but that's still only going to attract a certain type of woman. I'm not that type of woman lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:31 PM
1

Yes, and I said I've seen ugly guys have sex with multiple women in one night. How does what you said contradict that? You didn't say they weren't ugly...you said they had something else going for them. I'm not disagreeing with that. My point was merely that if an ugly guy can be a slut, it can't be that difficult. A vast majority of men I have met have at least one thing going for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:29 PM
1

Ah, so it's just desperation for sex. Why not use a sex worker?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:26 PM
2

Sure, if you can find a non-slut who will date a slut. I've never heard of such a thing. About half my friends stayed virgins until their wedding nights, and they never would have chosen a non-virgin man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:07 PM
4

And how is that different from or worse than what I see posted about women here? Shit, I'm betting I could go through your comment history ...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:02 PM
1

And how does that contradict what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:58 PM
2

Then men should stop complaining. I'm not going to feel sorry for an adult who can't even ask for what he really wants. Even children have more self-respect than that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:57 PM
2

Wait...you want to cite House? Sincere or not, he was sexist most of the time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:51 PM
8

I can't tell if this is satire, or you really just don't pay attention to what is said here about women regularly 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:48 PM
1

😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:46 PM
0

MCS?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:45 PM
0

Long-term, the GOP is just the party currently carrying the mantle of Y'all Qaeda.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:43 PM
1

Then why do it? I never dated for fun, either. I first have to meet a guy I actually want to begin with. I was never one of those "Omg I need a date for prom!" types lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:41 PM
3

Then stop trying to pretend that pro-athletes are anything other than gold digger magnets lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:39 PM
1

You're the one arguing that these unattractive men who get laid still have something else going for them...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:38 PM
1

Nah...the real problems with men have nothing to do with (consensual) sex. I would be utterly thrilled if I could say that my problems with men only involved sex and dating lol It's the rest of the time that really gets annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:37 PM
0

He's expected to do the approaching because he's the one desperate for sex. The person who wants something from someone else is going to have to be the one to initiate. .Do you expect women who don't care whether we get laid to just walk around asking men if they want to have sex when we don't? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:35 PM
5

Sure, but it kinda sounds like some B- or C-list celebrity social circle. Like....the women are famous because they were on Teen Mom or Road Rules or something lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:32 PM
3

All the athletes who asked me out were white but okay lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:12 PM
1

But clearly not as a teen
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:12 PM
3

If therapy isn't going to do anything for him, why would you say I need it? lol I got told to kill myself and still found a hubby. Your mythical man child had a girl be mean to him, and he gave up trying. Which of us has an actual problem here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:11 PM
1

Then what are men complaining about? If you literally have nothing going for you, why would you expect to be able to have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:10 PM
1

Women in my corner would hear a guy say "bad bitch" as a compliment and assume he has a baby momma lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:08 PM
4

I had athletes hit on me in high school and college. Always rejected them. Because they're generally less educated, generally trashier in their social behaviors, and generally more toxic to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:07 PM
2

Ah yes, the standard response from men here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:05 PM
2

But the guy you're describing doesn't....?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:04 PM
2

Not buying it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:04 PM
3

I've watched dudes you could not pay me to fuck sleep with multiple women at a party. So yes, it's easy. You just can't have any standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:03 PM
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The first guy I ever had a crush on told me to kill myself. Forgive me if I don't feel sorry for this mythical man child who lets one instance of failure ruin his life lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:02 PM
9

And those girls are free to have them. I would never date an athlete. It's only slightly more impressive than being unemployed lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:01 PM
5

You seem to have a very reality-TV way of seeing the world. Most people aren't that concerned with status by the time they hit adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:01 PM
2

Honey...do you think you're talking to a good Christian woman right now? lol Do you really believe every man I've hooked up with looks like Cavill?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:56 PM
1

Why would you do one but not the other? The first time I got asked out, I was 11 and he was 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:55 PM
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Nope, it's true. The men complaining about not getting laid don't want sluts, though. They want that unicorn woman who is a virgin but goes crazy horny just for him lol If you're ugly, the only thing you're going to get to ride is the town bicycle. Accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:54 PM
1

Given your use of "bad bitch" I'm thinking our views on dating are far too culturally different lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:53 PM
2

That makes more sense than suddenly deciding you're going to behave like a 14-year-old boy in your late 20s/early 30s and expecting women who aren't also socially delayed to put up with you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:49 PM
7

Being a man slut is easy too, you just have to hang around women who are cool with casual sex (aka the sluts).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:41 PM
1

Right, but why do you think they were fucking? Because they were already asking people out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:40 PM
8

Then go be one...? It's always easier to be a slut than be worth seeing more than once lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:38 PM
1

Ah, so you like gold diggers. See, I've ghosted guys when it became clear they were relying on their money to get laid. I'm not a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:36 PM
3

Sure, and you should have started that in middle school like most guys I know lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:34 PM
2

Incompetence stops being tolerable once you're out of high school. Why would anyone sit on their asses and not put themselves out there when literally everyone around them is also incompetent?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:32 PM
5

Y'all gonna storm the Capitol again? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:28 PM
10

None, and I would never. Those are fuckbois.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:23 PM
1

If you're only judging for whether someone is "good" then your standards are lower than mine. I need to know whether a person is attractive, not whether they're good lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:22 PM
2

I do most vetting before the first date, because I never date strangers. But even then, my experience is that 90% of men will fuck up within the first 5mins of meeting them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:16 PM
1

Maybe don't do online dating? That attracts a certain type of person, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:12 PM
1

Are most men asking for casual sex instead of relationships? And are most men pursuing women comfortable with casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 09:10 PM
0

The guy has to be as physically attractive as is needed for a relationship. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:49 PM
1

You don't believe ethics are actual characteristics?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:45 PM
1

Right, but you still seem to perceive having casual sex as breaking some rule...rather than being an option with its own set of rules that have nothing to do with a relationship. When I was single, maybe 10%. But in comparison, half of them (5% overall) met my standards for a relationship. That's the part I think you're getting wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:38 PM
1

My personal list includes: must not have or want kids, must not be conservative, must not be religious, must live in an urban setting, must be well-educated, must not adhere to traditional gender roles and/or stereotypes (or expect me to), must be financially independent, and probably a few other things I'm forgetting lol A lot of the stuff you mention is just irrelevant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:36 PM
1

It is so not necessary. Unless you have an STI you need her to be aware of, keep your mouth shut lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:31 PM
1

Nah, the guy I'm married to has given me the best sex of my existence...and that's with me not even caring about sex much lol The problem is that you are projecting your priorities onto women. That's not how it works. You perceive casual sex guy as being superior because that's who you want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:29 PM
3

Then they shouldn't complain about the response they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:27 PM
3

I don't have much tolerance for shyness, so assuming he's still that shy I probably wouldn't be attracted to him. I like men who are outgoing and social.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:26 PM
2

Everything but women friends, sex, and emotions lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:25 PM
3

I don't date strangers. The dumbest thing a guy could do is ask me out or hit on me before becoming my friend first.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:24 PM
2

Why would a man who doesn't know how to socialize think he could still manage to properly judge flirting? You can't expect to succeed at dating or sex when you don't know the basics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:23 PM
2

See, only some of those things are characteristics I'd even care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:14 PM
2

I don't care about the age, but I'd want to know the "why."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:12 PM
3

I'm a cunt because it's the most effective way to get rid of them. I'm not obligated to be nice to them to begin with, any more than they were obligated to stop and consider whether I even wanted to be approached before they did so. They can't complain about their feelings being disregarded when they clearly did not stop to consider mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:11 PM
4

I don't need a random man's support...I need the random man to leave me alone lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:06 PM
2

Are you actually taking into consideration whether the woman is genuinely comfortable with casual sex or just making an exception? Because it seems like you're talking about a woman who does the former. The problem is that you can't assume that the woman who fucks the top 10% and the woman who dates the top 20% is even the same person. You also can't assume that the 10% of woman A is in the 20% of woman B.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:06 PM
5

Nah, I think men are just more desperate. They'll ask someone out even if they barely know them and are only slightly attracted to them...or maybe not even at all, they just want a warm hole. That level of interest is not enough for a woman to act on it. We have to look at a guy and think to ourselves "Holy fucking shit, this man is amazing and I MUST have him."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:57 PM
3

Then those men should be willing to pay for that service. That's what therapists are for. I'm not obligated to fix them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:55 PM
5

Why are those the only two options? It's pretty simple... Sex: must be physically attractive Relationship: above, plus a few dozen other requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:51 PM
2

I don't think cheating has anything to do with it. You can be a total slut and never cheat or help someone else cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:30 PM
3

True, but sometimes the best way to get the point across is to toss the tea in the guy's face lol You just really seem keen on selling this idea that men are just doomed to be shitty people who women must tolerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:24 PM
2

I agree, but most men are not normal. Most men are desperate and have the emotional IQ of a potato lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:20 PM
2

I was referring specifically to being asked out/hit on, and you bring up rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:11 PM
2

You are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:07 PM
3

Being nice about the rejection usually makes the guy think you're playing hard to get. Being mean, on the other hand, is more effective. Men generally do not take "no" as an answer. You have to make them change their mind about even wanting to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:07 PM
2

And if you were OP, that'd matter lol We're talking about all promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:00 PM
2

You're equating agreeing to have sex with a man trying, which makes no sense, so let me reiterate: I do not want men I don't know to hit on me. I will behave in whatever way keeps that from happening, and if it hurts a man's feelings, too bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:55 PM
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You're very incorrect. The sex bar is waaaaay lower than the date bar lol There are men I've fucked who I wouldn't even speak to platonically, just because they're attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:51 PM
1

Not wanting to date someone is socially isolating them? They're still free to be my friend. But that means not asking me out or trying to get in my pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:48 PM
2

I never said these dudes were "nice guys." And how would you suggest fixing it? Because I have no interest in being bothered by men I don't want to date or have sex with unless I'm being paid lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:44 PM
3

I had had 4 by the time I was 22, counting my husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:42 PM
5

I think women are direct where and when it's socially acceptable to be. The problem is that some men are so desperate that they see the slightest bit of attention as interest. It's why I've stopped being even remotely friendly to men I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:38 PM
5

We're talking about promiscuous people. That isn't restricted to people in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:33 PM
1

I don't do repeat casual sex, so there's no real reason to talk to them again (unless we were already friends).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:28 PM
4

If it's just sex, all that matters is that they're physically attractive and don't look "dirty" in any way. Dating means I also need to vet them for a relationship. Example: I'm not going to care if a guy I have sex with once likes cats, but he's going to have to if he wants to date me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:23 PM
4

But what does that have to do with promiscuity? You can be single and fuck plenty of other single people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:22 PM
5

Befriend me. I have never dated someone I wasn't friends with for weeks or months first. I wouldn't give my contact info a stranger, either. This is assuming you want a date, not just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:20 PM
5

But that's because they're approaching before we can judge personality. If you ask me on a date and I have limited information, I'm going to say no. I'm not going to risk wasting my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:12 PM
3

Oh shit, I have never kept track of the former lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:04 PM
7

Your comment sounds more emotional than anything I've seen a woman say about it lol Why are you assuming that a desirable man has no morals?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:04 PM
4

So...men don't fuck women they wouldn't choose for an actual relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 05:45 PM
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I think the argument is based on this weird notion that a woman who has casual sex chooses her partners in a different way than men do. Both will casually fuck people beneath their dating standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 05:32 PM
3

This would be more compelling except for the fact that evolution doesn't "give" anything lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 05:04 PM
1

Are we talking PIV or just anything sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 04:59 PM
1

I don't consider someone perfect just because they meet all my standards. They can still have flaws that simply don't matter to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:53 PM
1

I disagree, but I differentiate between a preference and a requirement. If I don't care enough about a trait to require it in my partners, then it doesn't factor in at all. Most men don't even meet all my standards, anyway, so involving preferences is usually unnecessary. My husband meets all my standards, so by your logic he is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:51 PM
7

Why are you equating "perfect" with "absolute preference"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:42 PM
9

We were told by various moral systems that confidence, consideration of others, assertiveness, and being a good person were all that it takes to have a fulfilling sexual relationship. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:03 AM
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The traits I like in men are the same traits I like in women: honesty, a good sense of humor, kindness, intelligence, etc. I don't have different definitions of "good" that are based on gender. The men I don't like are generally the men who try to blame their horrible behaviors on their (teeny tiny) penises.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 05:59 AM
1

That makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:02 PM
1

I've told my mom point-blank because I was sick of her doing nothing for her depression, which she got diagnosed with when she was very young. When you have actual problems, serious problems, you can't expect someone with zero experience and training to help you. It'd be like me going to my for help with cancer lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:00 PM
1

Wouldn't that require me to not be having sex...?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:47 PM
1

This only makes sense if you assume all women and all men get asked out at roughly those frequencies. Not everyone does online dating. That only attracts a specific type of person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:44 PM
1

How is it a guarantee that every woman gets the guy she wants? I know tons of women who never met a man who met their standards...they didn't settle. What you're describing is not due to gender, but due to being able to choose being alone over settling lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:23 PM
1

But I'm not seeing what the difference is, other than who is doing the approaching. And I've approached more guys than I've said yes to who approached me (and gotten rejected each time lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:17 PM
3

But the options are still the same: 5% of men. I don't see a guy as an option just because be asks me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:10 PM
2

Because you seem to think it doesn't matter whether I actually want the guy or not...simply being asked out means something. (it doesn't...a man's attention is of no value to me if he isn't a man I want to date)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:03 PM
1

Abundance only applies to men who meet my standards, not simply men who ask me out. I've said no to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:02 PM
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Many of them literally paint my nails before I fuck them. Ope, new kink
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:01 PM
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I can't judge appearance without seeing a photo, but I do find what seems to get labeled as feminine attractive. But, I'm also bi and like every combination of biological sex and gender identity so.....
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:51 PM
3

Unlike men, I don't see people I'm not extremely attracted to as options lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:44 PM
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Of course it isn't unfair, she lied. Never waste time with liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:39 PM
2

Being called "baby" by a conservative is disgusting...but not quite a personal attack lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:09 PM
3

I'm not saying they aren't at all less sexist...but "far far" conjures up a change that, to me, suggests incels shouldn't even exist lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:21 PM
5

True. But I was still hoping there wouldn't be so many lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:19 PM
3

I disagree with the first point
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:15 PM
0

No way, I'm feeling too fat
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:13 PM
1

Everyone should be seeing a therapist as basic preventative care.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:50 PM
0

Maybe Halloween party, but I really don't feel like going out after work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:40 PM
1

It depends on my mood most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:36 PM
2

The fight gets started when it turns personal, not just when someone makes a comment that hurts someone's feelings lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:32 PM
1

Absolutely, for the same reason lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:31 PM
1

Sure, but what I don't want is a relationship based on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:25 PM
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