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Precisely.
/r/AntiFeminists11/10/21 03:48 PM
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It literally doesn't.
/r/AntiFeminists11/10/21 03:37 PM
0

That has literally nothing to do with what I said.
/r/AntiFeminists11/10/21 02:30 PM
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Well, when you refer to people as "post wall" you can't exactly blame them for wanting to oppose the idea that a 30 yr old woman should look half her fucking age, but that might be too much of a "feminist" opinion from your own point of view as it lacks a certain misogyny to it.
/r/AntiFeminists11/10/21 12:37 PM
3

Mam, pedophilia is a preferred attraction to prepubescent children, not a dislike of hairy genitals.
/r/AntiFeminists11/10/21 12:29 PM
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You being too stupid to comprehend it doesn't make it any less true.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 06:54 PM
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Nah, they're both trash, period.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 06:36 PM
-1

No, she's conditioned to feel sexually inferior to men, except when she's "empowered" by it.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 06:33 PM
-1

It's about equality in relation to women, who felt unequal to men, and they certainly were unequal in many ways, but they just couldn't have ever understood the concept of toxic gender roles all the way back then, and that men suffered from them as well. There's really not a good reason to outright criticize feminism until radical feminism comes into the picture, feminism was misguided, but it was not originally a fundamentally hateful ideology towards men.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 06:29 PM
1

OK...? I'm firmly anti-feminist, I just recognize a lot of the same issues with MRA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 06:21 PM
-1

Meh. Talking to any of you doesn't feel any different than talking to feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 06:18 PM
3

Wait, you think showing your dick through shorts isn't? LOL
/r/MensRights29/04/21 06:17 PM
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No. I was talking about how gender perceptions towards men/women is sexist to everyone, because even if men are viewed as the superior sex, they still suffer from the perceived inferiority of the female sex. Until we're all regarded closer to equals by gender, masculinity/femininity, then there will never be equality. This means breaking down the notion of toxic masculinity, and breaking down the notion female fragility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 06:14 PM
1

You literally sound as insane as the feminists, and I'm intimately acquainted. lol
/r/MensRights29/04/21 06:10 PM
-3

Apparently we live in different universes, this feels like talking to a feminist, ironically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 06:09 PM
2

Don't look at me, I think this MRA shit is just the male equivalent of feminism. lol
/r/MensRights29/04/21 06:06 PM
0

You seem incapable of understanding my position, I can assure you it is not feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 06:03 PM
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As an ex-feminist I think maybe I can just see this stuff a lot more clearly than your average MRA can, there's seriously concerning parallels between feminism/radfems and MRA in terms of their viewpoints on the opposite sex. I'm witnessing firsthand how women are being blamed or hatred towards them is generalized in exactly the same type of ways that feminists would have used to blame or generalize hatred towards men. The difference is that MRA grievances are actually real, and due to the faili…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 05:55 PM
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You would be wrong, the comments on this sub show you're a liar, period.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 05:47 PM
1

My experiences and what I have seen tell a different story, I have seen plenty of comments that go on and on about female supremacy and how men are now second class citizens to women, if that's not oppression I don't know what is. Except, women aren't any more responsible for feminism than men are responsible for patriarchy, but society as a whole has more or less accepted feminist ideology. There are clear parallels between the perceived suppression due to patriarchy and the real suppression th…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 05:44 PM
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I don't think I can do it. I'm extremely anti-feminist, and yet I keep being accused of one because I'm trying to point out that the same fundamental conflict of interest that is in feminism when it comes to men, is also present in MRA when it comes to women. I genuinely feel like I'm trying to explain myself to a feminist at times, that's how deep it feels like these people are in, they're just doing the opposite. It might even make things worse than men have legitimate grievances where as RadF…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 05:40 PM
1

You couldn't be further from the truth, the fact all of you MRA's treat me like some kind of feminist is extremely telling, when my language couldn't make it any clearer that I oppose them on a fundamental level. I think the problem is that you believe what veers into hate and outright misogyny, is simply justified behavior against a group of people (women, not feminists) you deem responsible for your own discrimination, whereas I can somewhat remain impartial, and understand that the line betwe…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 05:23 PM
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It's not all that different from feminism, it's just that men actually have legitimate grievances when it comes to gender equality due to the fake grievances of feminism, that were taken seriously, and have now become the real grievances of men. I don't think it's quite comparable to RadFem beliefs, but I have seen plenty of opinions that women are viewed as superior to men, that men are just viewed like trash, and I have seen plenty of hateful generalizations towards women because of this type …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 05:10 PM
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YOU have a profound impact on women!? How did you manage to misunderstand that so badly? Feminism has a profound impact on women, I don't understand how that was at all unclear. The point is that the idea you can hate feminism so wholeheartedly, and that it doesn't spill over towards women as a whole, is literally just as flawed as when feminists thought they could do the same thing when it comes to patriarchy and men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 05:05 PM
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The fact you can say that without a hint of irony, Jesus Christ...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 05:00 PM
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You're still missing the point. It isn't about whether you're similar to feminism, it's about the fact you're falling into a similar trap when it comes to thinking you can easily separate your hate for feminist ideology with hate for women as a class of people. If this wasn't true why would I see shit that's constantly derogatory towards women or makes sexist generalizations about women as a whole? I am not even the first person to bring up this argument, not by a long shot.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 04:59 PM
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You cannot separate the two groups as easily as you think, that's naïve.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 04:56 PM
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I can't help but feel like that's a pretty strong MRA sentiment, and I didn't think this was r/MRA
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 04:55 PM
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I'm mainly talking about the MRA sub, I get very similar vibes to the feeling in feminist spaces that are openly sexist and hostile towards men, while under the guise that it is not men being persecuted based on gender, but that it's the social behavior of men and how society has conditioned them to think/act/believe. I think you would have to be very naïve, like the feminists, to not understand that there's a significant conflict of interest when it comes to hating the ideology that represents …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 04:50 PM
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You get a boner thinking about God and patriotism? What am I missing here? lol Sexual situations as in involving the opposite sex, kissing and groping in public etc.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 04:44 PM
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You're being ignorant if you think it's easy to separate hate for feminism with hate for women.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 04:42 PM
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This went from like 6 upvotes to 0, guess there's plenty of crossover between subs. lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 04:38 PM
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Interesting that this has the most upvotes, and you're a frequent MRA poster. lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 04:37 PM
1

It's the comments, not the posts, it's not like there would be a reason for a post outright bashing women in a way that doesn't relate to men's rights or feminism in some capacity. I have seen tons of borderline misogynistic generalizations about women, and it's easy for hate to become generalized towards women when you misconstrue the reason for the existence of certain double standards and things that are unfair and only benefit women, etc.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 04:35 PM
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You get a boner randomly when you're a sexually immature teen, so unless that applies to you, it's not really something that should still happen as an adult. The only times I think I have gotten a boner in public were in semi-sexual situations where it wasn't particularly out of the ordinary given the circumstances.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 04:28 PM
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This sub is not anti women at all... anti "feminism" yes, as everyone should be, but not anti women in the slightest I can't even begin to fathom that, you're literally falling into the same trap as RadFems.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 04:25 PM
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Let me start over, this is a complicated subject. Men are viewed as having more sexual power because we are biologically stronger, and our sexual biology acts upon the female sexual biology, think about how old school RadFems used to think porn and male penetration was tantamount to rape. Those attitudes haven't completely gone away, they have just softened considerably. Men are also viewed as having more power because they don't lose out when it comes to a sex, a man who has many sexual partner…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 04:23 PM
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry that you believe me to be a feminist, when I couldn't be any further opposed to feminist ideology, and if you understand even half of what I was saying in the post, you would recognize that. I'm just trying to say that you folks clearly don't realize just how much hate you generalize towards women as a whole, because of the injustices and discriminations that men face from society, on behalf of women. It's a logical conclusion that feminists would often deny,…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 04:00 PM
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We could, but that would just be applying feminist logic towards men. It's not that men should be seen as vulnerable sex objects like women, it's that women shouldn't be seen that way, either. We should all be seen as sexual equals, who have equal responsibility in terms of sexual harassment towards the opposite gender. But in today's society it makes no sense to think men are victims at all by being objectified, because we simply aren't degraded by sexuality in the way that women are, but we su…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 03:25 PM
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I can't help you if you miss something so blatantly obvious, you won't even see it if If I put it right in front of your face. You're all fundamentally mistaken if you think you can hate an ideology that dictates how the world views women, and how men are disciriminated against due to said perception of women, all without having animosity towards women as a whole.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 03:15 PM
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That doesn't change anything I said.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 03:11 PM
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I feel like I would just be arguing with a feminist here, just the opposite of that. I'll pass.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 03:11 PM
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Right, it's not the ideological part I was trying to emphasize, it's the fact that it's easy to hate women for our injustices, just as it was easy for feminists to hate men for their perceived injustices. They tried to claim they could separate the two, and that hating patriarchy and male toxicity was different than hating men, and they were wrong. I can't help but think we're following in their footsteps when it comes to antagonism towards women, even if we are rightly justified in our anger.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 02:57 PM
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I'm absolutely not seeing that being put into practice, the sub frequently reads as being as sexist and antagonistic towards women as one would expect, when the foundation of our grievances are due to the imagined persecutions of women, which in turn have become the real persecutions of men. How can our battle stay with just feminists, and not extend to the women who are indirectly influenced by feminism? How do you not hate women in general when men have been demonized to placate their delusion…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 02:52 PM
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The internet seems to disagree, so take it up with them.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 02:48 PM
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I'm not the one who is confused here, MRA's frequently equate the two.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 02:47 PM
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I can't imagine how you can possibly think I'm a feminist with all the shit I just talked about feminism, unless you don't understand the actual goals and motivations of feminism, and just deem them to be "kill all men" types with little further nuance. For example, they don't believe in female superiority, they're paradoxically anti-women. As for your next point, I'm talking about the open vitriol and sexism that I see plastered everywhere, I'm not talking about men discussing valid issues and …
/r/MensRights29/04/21 02:38 PM
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I meant it as being the male equivalent of toxic RadFem beliefs, and sexism and antagonism towards women, due to socially accepted gender roles and viewpoints that benefit women, while disenfranchising men. Except, it's not the same thing, because men have legitimate grievances that RadFems never did, and apparently meninism is a real thing that can be viewed as synonymous with MRA, it's probably only derogatory towards feminist minded people.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 02:23 PM
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I'm talking about how the anti-women sentiment of the sub contradicts the statement.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 02:14 PM
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Fine, but I at least have a point then, the first commenter is clearly full of shit.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 02:12 PM
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Not wrong, but being critical of feminism basically gets you labeled a right wing misogynist, period.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 01:36 PM
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I see comments all the time, that get upvoted, which contradict your statement. I have even argued with several people before that feminism wasn't just evil from the onset. lol
/r/MensRights29/04/21 01:21 PM
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That's certainly not the impression I get from this sub, actions speak louder than words.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 01:20 PM
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with all of this, and I'm starting to realize it's an unpopular opinion.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 01:17 PM
1

I already covered that? The term Radical Feminist is most commonly associated today with hating trans women, RadFem beliefs have simply been inducted into feminism as a whole, there's tons of people have no true understanding of what feminism is, and how sexist RadFem beliefs are towards men. They literally just think it means equality of the sexes, and they have been told they aren't equal to men, and they believe that.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 01:16 PM
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When I looked up "meninism" to see if it's even a thing, I wasn't surprised to see MRA mentioned.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 01:13 PM
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I was watching porn of much older women when I was a young teen, it's not like I could find porn of women my own age, that would be illegal. So, young men are absolutely conditioned through porn to be sexually aroused by older women, and more mature sexual bodies. In that sense, I would have absolutely had sex with a hot older teacher. Of course, I shouldn't because I don't understand the gravity of sex at that young age, but I would absolutely not have felt violated in the same way a young girl…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 01:11 PM
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Don't wear shorts that are so tight your dick is literally visible, unless that's your thing. I also don't know why you're getting a boner in public unless there's a very good reason behind that, because it doesn't just happen for no reason unless you're a younger teen or something. I don't think you're quite on the right path if you're equating a visible, protruding erection with a woman's cleavage, of all things.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 12:55 PM
1

Is she angry for being an 8 or being rated by her looks or some shit, because the same would never be true for a man. A man would only be shamed if his looks failed to live up to standards of beauty, only a woman can be shamed by being viewed as an object of beauty or sexual attraction, because feminists are convinced in the notion of male sexual superiority, and that women are perpetual victims of their own sexual inferiority. Except, that was only the true belief in the early RadFem era of fem…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 11:14 AM
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That's because society has been indoctrinated with RadFem beliefs that are ideologically anti-male.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 11:10 AM
3

You need to understand that black people are no longer slaves, they are not oppressed to the severity they once were. You also need to understand that in the defense of black people that white people can be discriminated against, can be viewed as inherently racist, just based on the color of their skin. The idea a black person can't be racist towards a white person is to ignore all discrimination that white people face in light of being viewed as the oppressors of black people, and the same is f…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 11:08 AM
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It's not intentional superiority, they're literally delusional enough to belief that they are powerless victims in the face of male superiority, and that society still needs to be reformed in order for them to be seen as equals. Yet, this is just an admission that females are inferior in just about every capacity to males, and it is ironically the feminist who is the most sexist, both to women, and to men.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 10:59 AM
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That's just bullshit, unless you think women still belong only in roles of domestic servitude. Women fought for the right to be defined by more than just their biology, sure it isn't fair they got to vote without serving, but we're not feminists, we believe in biology, and biology dictates that women will be viewed more vulnerably than men are, and that it was a natural conclusion for men to fight in place of women. Biology is the reason that sexism exists, because we are not the same, and it is…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 10:54 AM
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No. You need to understand that the downfall of feminism was the moment that Radical Feminism came into existence, because those outdated, sexist, antagonistic ideals are still being perpetuated in modern day feminism. The myth of patriarchy, male superiority, and female subjugation, still live on today in countries where women have all the same fundamental rights and protections as men.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 10:51 AM
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No one was ever giving women the chance to serve back then, the idea would have been simply preposterous, and men were conditioned to believe it was their duty to serve and protect women, that was just the attitudes back then, although that starting changing rapidly after the 2nd world war. It doesn't really do any good to act like feminism was shit all the way back when women were only deemed useful in a domestic capacity. Women being treated more equally in turn led to men being treated more e…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 10:48 AM
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That's because our modern social views on gender are the product of Radical Feminist theory, it's socially acceptable to view women as sexually inferior and vulnerable, and men as sexually superior and predatory, and to pretend like only women suffer under this dynamic. Yet, this attitude that is patronizing to women and demeaning to men, is allowed to continue to flourish under the guise of feminism and equality, because feminists discovered decades ago that they can simply twist the truth to f…
/r/MensRights29/04/21 09:54 AM
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I don't want to make fun of people that are mentally ill, and she clearly is.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:07 AM
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Society is insanely superficial, that's just the norm now for most people.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:05 AM
3

Yeah... I'm going to go out on a limb and say that men are more repulsed by gay men than women are.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:00 AM
0

This sub is basically just the reverse of feminism, ironically.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 07:56 AM
-1

I'm all for banning it, but do your dicks not work or something? Mine's good, so I'm just wondering.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 07:53 AM
1

You can't have equal rights when the biology is fundamentally different, that's feminist logic.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 07:52 AM
0

So, you want to make pregnancy equal for men? That's literally not possible.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 07:51 AM
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Well, is she wrong about abortion just because circumcision is also a problem? This feels like a non-argument.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 07:38 AM
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We do it all the time, we're the counterargument to feminism, but we're kind of just as antagonistic.
/r/MensRights25/04/21 09:52 PM
7

A woman can be in complete control during sex, especially with a younger victim.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 06:05 PM
-4

True, but they did say it the first time, then just used victim after that point.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:44 PM
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It isn't like a ploy to gain sympathy or something, that's just the legal term to describe the person, "victim" might as well be their name in this article, for all intents and purposes. I have no comment on the legal matter itself, I don't have any expertise there.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:33 PM
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Christ, I keep learning that the UK is a lot more fucked up than I thought it was.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:21 PM
7

It's a total power thing, I would imagine.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:16 PM
11

Wait, it's not statutory rape? The fuck?
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:14 PM
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It's a news article, they rarely ever say rape in the title, just look at some other stories.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:11 PM
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That's not exactly a gender thing, you won't find news articles that say rape if the roles were reversed, either. That's a harsh sounding word to put as the headline, not that it isn't accurate. The crime is statutory rape, it all comes down to whether the courts actually try to punish her or if they only deem rape a serious issue when a man does it.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:10 PM
3

You forgot rich, too.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:03 PM
2

I was wondering what I was missing, and when the classes got switched around.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:02 PM
9

Yeah, she's totally an asshole because she won't let the husband have his mother in the delivery room, when the two of them aren't even on good terms, and it would make her extremely uncomfortable in one of the most emotionally vulnerable times of her life. Makes perfect sense to me.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 04:19 PM
2

I wish you were being fucking ironic or sarcastic or something, feminists ARE already radical feminists. Please do your fucking homework, because you clearly don't understand anything about feminist history if you would make ignorant statements like this.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 02:06 PM
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Please destroy her, who the fuck lies about CP because they're bitter about being broken up with, holy fuck.
/r/MensRights17/04/21 12:23 PM
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I got banned from the ask sub for being a man, and giving bad sex advice or something, basically. That annoyed me enough to start paying attention to all the red flags and everything I had doubted, and sure enough their whole ideology comes crashing down when you allow yourself to realize that men can't possibly be blamed for all the things they persecute us for. I fell victim to their brainwashing because of social attitudes, and the fact I agreed with a lot of their premises. They aren't wrong…
/r/MensRights30/03/21 09:59 PM
1

Sure, and I'm a sadist and rapist by that logic. Fine by me.
/r/MensRights30/03/21 09:53 PM
1

Sorry, I care as much about anime children as paid actresses being "raped" in porn. Yawn.
/r/MensRights30/03/21 09:47 PM
5

The joke is based on how vulnerable and weak women are, to the point where they can't possibly be seen as aggressors that would rival a man or anything a man should have to take seriously. Except, the very premise of it is flawed, the man is handicapped from the beginning. The humor is derived from the concept of a weak woman being violent towards a powerful man, something we should be able to laugh off as harmless given the disparity in strength, but the man isn't powerful, he can't do anything…
/r/MensRights30/03/21 09:31 PM
0

When I was 14 I would have loved to be balls deep inside a pretty (not that she is) 20-something yr old teacher. I'm not a woman, nor have I ever been one, but the idea of being a 14 yr old girl and wanting to get dicked by a hot male teacher is simply a ridiculous notion, there's so much more sexual stigma surrounding women in this regard, it simply isn't feasible to think about. Now, I don't know if that means I should feel more shame toward my 14 yr old self or if the idea that a girl who wan…
/r/MensRights30/03/21 08:36 PM
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It hurts that I used to support these fanatical people, who think they're justified in demonizing one half of the human population just because they fundamentally can't cope with the fact that the female sex is treated differently due to biology, and choose to see themselves in a perpetual state of victimhood, where men are always the problem, but must also be responsible for the solution. They do all this without a hint of irony, never understanding that the self-hatred for their own gender fue…
/r/MensRights30/03/21 07:30 PM
1

It's just dangerous when there's an agenda behind it, it doesn't mean it isn't true for some.
/r/MensRights29/03/21 08:36 PM
1

Not much to say about this, just a baseless attack on male sexuality for genital hair grooming preferences.
/r/MensRights29/03/21 08:18 PM
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I'm with you, I used to only prefer shaved, and now that just seems weird, but nothing to do with "pedo" shit.
/r/MensRights29/03/21 08:10 PM
2

It's some kind of aberration, clearly, but it's no longer a mental disorder, because in addition to there being no known "cure" it simply is no longer viewed as something immoral/perverse by its own accord, at least according to science and health professionals, not religious dogma.
/r/MensRights22/03/21 06:05 PM
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Yes, we absolutely know that it's not a mental illness. Are you being serious right now?
/r/MensRights22/03/21 05:45 PM
2

Homosexuality used to be a mental disorder.
/r/MensRights22/03/21 03:56 PM
0

No, your situation is an exception, far from the rule.
/r/MensRights22/03/21 03:54 PM
0

You can't prove to another person that they're wrong when they don't live within the confines of rational thought, so your premise seems flawed right from the very beginning. No amount of facts, truth, or logic, has ever helped me in an argument with a feminist.
/r/MensRights21/03/21 12:25 PM
1

I'm not here to wipe your ass, do your own research, you're glaringly ignorant.
/r/MensRights21/03/21 08:20 AM
1

Jesus Christ. Do your own research, it's literally a legitimate school of feminist theory, and dominates modern feminist ideology. It is not a "buzzword", you are really showing your ignorance.
/r/MensRights21/03/21 08:17 AM
2

You're fundamentally mistaken. The only real feminism is radical feminism, they just stopped calling themselves radical because they became the accepted standard. Any other kind of feminism is merely symbolic, and does not represent the true ideology.
/r/MensRights21/03/21 08:08 AM
3

It doesn't, they don't care about your issues, they're "self-made".
/r/MensRights21/03/21 08:02 AM
2

Still true. Welcome to human nature.
/r/MensRights21/03/21 07:59 AM
2

Oh, you sweet summer child.
/r/MensRights20/03/21 08:04 PM
1

An assessment does not determine transgenderism, and a child does not necessarily have the capacity to understand what they feel is wrong about their gender at such a young age. Puberty blockers are not nearly as harmless as you are making them out to be, either.
/r/MensRights20/03/21 08:00 PM
2

It's as much a mental disorder as homosexuality is...
/r/MensRights20/03/21 07:56 PM
2

It is literally not scientific that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, that's patently untrue. I don't want to debate this, because there's a fuck ton of complexity when talking about child gender transition, and in the name of acceptance we're being far too compliant about this stuff, they will recommend transition at the drop of a hat if a child says they don't feel comfortable with their gender, period.
/r/MensRights20/03/21 07:55 PM
1

You just live your life as best as you can, but defend yourself to the death, if necessary.
/r/MensRights20/03/21 05:34 PM
0

The idea that feminism never served a purpose is purely ignorant. This feels like talking to a feminist.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 01:00 PM
0

Still changes nothing, call it whatever you want, but that wasn't equality in a meaningful sense.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 12:46 PM
1

Which doesn't take away from the fact they weren't considered equal in remotely the same capacity.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 11:45 AM
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Can you really write it off as "extremism" when such ideologies have mainstream social acceptance?
/r/MensRights18/03/21 11:33 AM
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The amount of people asserting that there wouldn't be a double standard if a man did that to a woman, is staggering. Either that, or they're completely comfortable justifying the double standard by pointing out men are more predatory.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 10:28 AM
1

Not remotely true, it actually meant something when women didn't even have the right to vote.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 10:19 AM
1

All of you have to do is look into radical feminism, and then see how their beliefs still guide modern feminist theory.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 10:17 AM
3

Maybe when men could vote, and women still couldn't. Does it apply today? Fuck no.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 10:16 AM
3

The legal age of consent for sexual activity is 17 or below in the majority of the world.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 10:08 AM
2

Well, 17 could very well be over the age of consent where they live, are you assuming this is statutory?
/r/MensRights18/03/21 09:43 AM
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TERFS actually stayed consistent with their beliefs, whereas feminists just bullshit their way to the desired conclusion.
/r/MensRights17/03/21 06:10 PM
2

Well, I'm talking about gender roles/stereotypes and shit, which most definitely exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 06:05 PM
2

It certainly is, but it requires looking at gender through a non-biased perspective, and having an open dialogue and a willingness to solve the issue. Unlike the narrow minded feminist beliefs, sexism is a two way street, and we would need to tackle pervasive ideas that limit gender freedoms for all of us. If we actually learned how to be sex-positive in a true sense, and not the horseshit feminist version that only applies to a woman's personal experience, then we would already be well on our w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 04:49 PM
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Also, are you an idiot? I already said that a man in the same situation shouldn't be viewed as a rapist, given that he would have intentionally been misled by her friend into thinking she wanted to have sex with him. The idea that getting high should revoke consent that was already granted seems incredibly stupid to me. But, then so is the idea that a little weed smoke could incapacitate someone, either.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 05:08 AM
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You sound like a feminist, ignoring that the reality of him being roofied by weed smoke is impossible.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 05:00 AM
1

What a stupid idea, as if we needed a word besides "feminism" to indicate any of this. Not that I think feminists believe women should be superior, they're just batshit insane.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 04:58 AM
0

Except, he wasn't roofied, she took a hit, and blew some smoke at him. Stop overreacting to an already nonsensical movie plot, it's part of the joke that just some weed smoke was enough to completely drug him, that's impossible. If you're upset about the double standards when it comes to rape, then at least be intelligent enough to understand that there are significant social factors that need to be overcome in order to change them.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 04:55 AM
2

I don't quite know if that last sentence is always true, but feminism in general is hateful trash, so it makes sense.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 04:40 AM
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This would be shitty if it was even a one time thing, but how the fuck do they still give you shit after knowing!?
/r/MensRights09/03/21 04:38 AM
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Men might be hornier, but it would be foolish to think social factors don't also influence how women relate to sexuality.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 04:33 AM
2

Feminists basically ignore biology, so this shouldn't be surprising. What do average people say about it?
/r/MensRights09/03/21 04:21 AM
1

That isn't rape, that's just blowing weed smoke into someone's face, I don't know what the legality of that is, per say. You could make the case that Eddie is raped due to how completely drugged he is (even though weed wouldn't do that) but the idea she drugged him to have sex with him is just inaccurate, because she is already under the impression that she is doing exactly what he wants, because that is what his friend said. A man in this situation shouldn't be viewed as guilty of rape, either,…
/r/MensRights09/03/21 04:08 AM
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Not being hated is a pretty good step to gaining more legitimacy, though.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:48 AM
1

That's because it isn't bullshit to them, and all of these minor differences and social perceptions are part of the reason they are viewed as less than men, according to them. The problem is that they don't want equality as women, they want to simultaneously live outside the bounds of a "woman" when it is impedes them in any way, while being more traditionally feminine when it is convenient for them. The most apt thing to say about a feminist is that they want to have their cake, and eat it too.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:43 AM
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It does matter, because the blame falls on the friend who set his friend up, the woman isn't really at fault. It's not like a man should be at fault in the exact same situation, either, but social views on the subject are clearly skewed in favor of women. He was possibly high, he was not drugged/passed out, I don't even know if that qualifies as being unable to consent.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:38 AM
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I bet that holds true for online gaming as well. Sure, they might get sexist remarks and harassment solely for being female, but then I'm also receiving a near endless supply of harassment that is trying to insult or challenge my masculinity. In my experience everyone is an asshole online, but then I mainly played competitive shooters and the like.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:32 AM
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You do know what sub you're on, right? Not trying to insult, it just feels like you're posting this to a feminist sub or something, these are issues that we discuss and care about, no one is going to give you shit for expressing this kind of opinion here, and very few people would disagree with the sentiment.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:23 AM
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It's almost like women don't (generally) have balls that they have to be worried about, they can freely and comfortably sit more compactly, the idea that this was made into a political statement is beyond fucking nonsense. Yeah, women are oppressed because they have to shrivel up, while men claim all the space around them... fucking idiots.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:19 AM
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No, she didn't know, because she was straight up told that he wanted to have sex with her, meanwhile Eddie's character didn't really understand the situation. The drugs didn't really have anything to do with it, other than to serve as a reason for Eddie's confusion. If this is rape, then I would have to place the blame on his friend, although she should have used protection for obvious reasons, but then we wouldn't have a story. I already explained why the double standard exists, so I'm not sure…
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:17 AM
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You kind of sound like an asshole. That's a creepy fucking gift. lmao
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:05 AM
1

That's just fucking weird and creepy, straight up.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 03:04 AM
3

I would assume that reproductive health/abortion is the only relevant issue they could be talking about, right?
/r/MensRights09/03/21 02:55 AM
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The premise of the movie is that he has a son he didn't know about, and how this new revelation will change the dynamics of his family/kingdom. The scene isn't exactly supposed to be funny, per say, other than Eddie's realization that the "boar" was in fact a woman, but his friend is the one who set everything up, and pretty much gave the go ahead, so the woman was under the impression it was consensual. If your whole point is just to say that rape is viewed much more seriously when it is a woma…
/r/MensRights09/03/21 02:53 AM
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I would hope that the vast majority of people here don't discredit real feminist efforts in parts of the world that desperately need them, and that we're all more or less expressing the hypocrisy and bullshit of modern feminism in North America, Europe, Australia, etc.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 02:39 AM
2

This is generalizing, plenty of people are taught basic human respect, just depends if feminism has eroded your brain.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 02:35 AM
2

That is a terrible example, seems to me like you don't know this friend very well if you didn't expect that reply.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 02:34 AM
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The whole "teach men not to rape" thing is disgusting, it uses the absurd notion of "sexual objectification" and tries to justify that men in general see women as sub-human just because they're people we might be attracted to/want to have sex with. It is insulting to both genders, but unlike back in the 70's, the implications towards women are often ignored, with the blame being shifted entirely onto men, and the predatory nature of male sexuality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/21 02:19 AM
3

Frankly, I'd rather share a day with toilets then with feminists. Fucking savage.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 02:01 AM
3

Wait, why are you talking like you aren't that guy? lmao
/r/MensRights09/03/21 01:58 AM
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Don't worry it's just a coincidence that all of these "creepy" things are about men. /s
/r/MensRights09/03/21 12:33 AM
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Same as chess, women need their own category because they (often) cannot compete with men, whatever the reasons are, the end result is still the same. Men, on the other hand, simply have no reason to bar women from "their" sports, seeing as they have the highest barrier to entry. Eventually, maybe we won't have separate categories for sports that have little to no physical advantages.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 12:00 AM
1

Romcoms are kind of trash for everyone involved, honestly.
/r/MensRights08/03/21 11:47 PM
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She had zero personality, you could just feel the feminist condescension rolling right off her character. lol
/r/MensRights04/03/21 02:51 AM
12

The difference is between a genuine character that feels real, and some artificially feminist bullshit, like Captain Marvel.
/r/MensRights04/03/21 01:39 AM
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You really don't seem to understand the concept of men's rights if you're willing to defend these kind of statements, and not understand why they are problematic.
/r/MensRights04/03/21 12:39 AM
1

Aside from the obvious interpretation?
/r/MensRights04/03/21 12:31 AM
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I'm not going to argue with a feminist, I'm more than familiar with your ideology and viewpoints, and I have witnessed firsthand how contradictory and self serving they are. You twist and misconstrue what it means to be treated equally, you take issue with the very nature of your biology. Your entire philosophy is fundamentally anti-male, and you care nothing for the issues that men face because you deem them to be a product of our own creation. Save your breath, I won't reply.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 11:13 PM
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Thats because you're brainwashed by feminist propaganda that paints women as victims of sexual objectification due to something as simple as biological differences concerning sexual attraction. A woman being objectified is much worse than a man being objectified because of the implied nature of sexual shame. This shit doesnt take a fucking rocket scientist to figure out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 10:57 PM
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No, it is pretty fucking irrational. They have wildly contradictory viewpoints, their arguments twist to suit their own agenda. You only have to look back and see how sex-negative and infantilizing towards women that their older rad fem views used to be. Feminism is an ideology that is fundamentally conflicted about being a woman, it is extremely dangerous that they are the prevailing movement for the equality of all women. Their beliefs are extremely harmful to men as a whole.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:45 PM
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Yeah, societies the world over should stop being fucking repressed about sex, we need much more comprehensive education and an open dialogue about these sort of things. I would imagine that it is even harder to talk about these things with girls, because society (thanks in part to feminists) has such wildly contrasting viewpoints on it, and men will suffer the more women are viewed as vulnerable for it.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:39 PM
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While this is sexist, the term itself is really not about being safe from violence, it just means an extremely PC enviornment free of judgement and discrimination for marginalized groups. Of course, the implication is that a straight white male would never need a safe space of his own, which is fucked up.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:37 PM
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Women at large use "survivor" as a term for rape victims, so that's kind of sensationalized. Granted, even with rape it could be contentious, but feminists aren't trying to reduce the stigma of rape, they want it to be an unforgivable crime, even though this only creates more disparity between male and female victims.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:32 PM
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Women don't need safe spaces from men, but we are worried that every single woman we meet might make false rape allegations just because we did something trivial to upset them, is that not a little ironic?
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:29 PM
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Well, it's Buzzfeed, so... I'm not.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:22 PM
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This is such a weird dynamic. They don't do this kind of shit to (literally) shame men, it's just the fact that because men are socially viewed as so much less vulnerable than women, that when it comes to this sort of gender dynamic we are supposed to laugh it off, we aren't actually supposed to be offended for the man. Even sexual assault from women is played for comedy, and if that isn't showing a disturbing social dynamic, I don't know what does. Feminists would blame this on the fact that me…
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:19 PM
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No. What you have just learned is that true feminism is the eternal struggle of women against the male biology, and every nonsensical reason they are persecuted or viewed inferiorly because of it. Femists hate themselves more than any man ever could. In modern society women should be allowed to do anything a man can, as long as they are up to the task. But, feminists are still fighting for equality based on what it means to be a woman, they don't believe women can be equal to men without pretty …
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:02 PM
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By definition, they believe that society is fundamentally flawed in the way that it views women, it does not believe that women receiving equal treatment under the law is sufficient to end gender based sexism, more radical restructuring is required, they believe male superiority is institutionalized, and that breaking down gender roles is necessary. They blame everything on social conditioning, they refuse to see that biology plays a key role in how we see the other gender, and how this relates …
/r/MensRights03/03/21 09:52 PM
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Yeah, religion is trash, no doubt about that. Single worst invention of humanity.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 09:42 PM
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First, you would have to understand that there is no such thing as being a sex object, so sexualization is an equivalent term. The entire concept of sexual objectification is that women are portrayed as sexually attractive/desirable, and then it assumed that this demeans them do to the natural course of biology. It is sexist because men are not depicted in such a way, as only gay men and some select women are looking at men in that type of way. Sure, you can make a sexual depiction of a woman in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 09:41 PM
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That sounds perfectly reasonable to me, modern feminists seem like they're conflicted over whether or not they should be ashamed to be women, they want all the upsides of being a man or woman, and none of the downsides.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 09:17 PM
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Ah, well I didn't mean someone pushing an agenda, I meant real people.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 12:48 PM
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Technically, anyone who doesn't want kids get shit from everyone. lol
/r/MensRights03/03/21 12:37 PM
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You're severely underestimating how dangerous the "normal" feminists really are.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 12:34 PM
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Right, it just isn't the same thing, but it is still one more option that men don't have.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 12:31 PM
2

It is just really bizarre for it to be illegal under 30, it is 18 in America, but a doctor will still give you hell about this kind of stuff, all that do no harm shtick, but at least you have the right, just have to find someone to do the procedure. But, I think anyone over 21 should be able to have it done without jumping through hoops, if you fucked up and regret it, oh well.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 12:29 PM
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You guys need to learn you can't reason with feminists, they live their lives as if society has barely changed from the 2nd wave, they have a list a mile long on everything still wrong with society, and all of the sexism women still face, and you guessed it, they blame men and patriarchy for all of it.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 12:18 PM
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Unless it was done illegally, that doesn't make any sense. Not to mention that even if it is legal in other countries, you would probably still be put through hell trying to get that procedure done at 23.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 12:08 PM
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Abortion isn't exactly an alternative to a sterilization option, but it is at least a failsafe. That law seems insane, though, it is a much more serious procedure for women than men, so men are cleary disadvantaged here.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 12:05 PM
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I used quotes for a reason, it isn't my fault if you don't understand what I'm saying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 11:21 AM
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I'm just talking about the kind of reaction you would get from a naked chick in porn, you're only attracted to her in a superficial way, you don't care about who she is or what shitty story line they're going with, you just want to see her in action. I feel like you're both talking about something different than I am.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 11:18 AM
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I feel like you're not getting my point with your usage of quotes, but that's fine.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 05:28 AM
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Everything your saying is nonsense. The fucking irony.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 05:27 AM
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To be fair, it stems from a belief that had some validity to it in the past, but even though gender equality has advanced significantly for women, feminism hasn't really changed all that much. The original radical feminists of the 60's-80's viewed female sexuality quite negatively, because they believed that men were exploiting and dehumanizing them because of it, they even believed that all porn was legally allowed, lawful rape. It's important to understand that even today's feminists don't tak…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 04:54 AM
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"More" implies larger, it does not imply that there is an absence of relevance on the part of women.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 04:07 AM
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Except, it is a cancer, and you pretty much are the extreme sect, because true feminism is still radical, even if they have mostly dropped the radical label, and you just call yourself "feminists". You still hold on to nonsensical beliefs that paint you as the victim of male biology when you believe it concerns you, and then you do the opposite when it comes to how you think women should be perceived. You actually believe that biology doesn't provide relevant answers to gender equality, you thin…
/r/MensRights03/03/21 03:54 AM
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This has never been a secret, feminism is for the equality of women, but based on the understanding that they are being viewed and treated fundamentally unfairly due to their gender. They advocate on behalf of men only in issues like those that r/MensLib discusses, they aren't concerned with any issues men face due to their own "higher" status. There's no discrepancy on the part of feminism, they still aren't equal to men, and they are fighting for their right to be. The only problem is that the…
/r/MensRights03/03/21 02:40 AM
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Think about why they "need" a month in the first place, because men are obviously more relevant throughout history.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 02:32 AM
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Those people are just bullshitting you, radical feminism IS modern feminism, and has been since the 60's. The radical feminists will claim that the extreme misandrists don't represent them, but they are still extremely anti-male, they just stupidly think social conditioning is the problem, not that men are inherently evil, but because they completely ignore biology, they paint themselves as eternal victims of men and masculinity, they will never be happy until gender is abolished and we have bee…
/r/MensRights03/03/21 02:13 AM
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Only an idiot would try to argue that, radical feminism is often just shorthanded to feminism, because they have been the ones directing feminist theory since the 2nd wave in the 60's. The vast majority of r(/)AskFeminists/Feminism are all radical feminists, but ironically they disavow their trans critical neighbors, who are more genuine followers of radical feminist theory than they are. I do believe this is a problem, though, many women think feminism is just "equal rights and treatment for wo…
/r/MensRights03/03/21 02:06 AM
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By today's standards you can argue that conditions for women in the 50's were much more sexist, and that would be true, but it wasn't malicious, it was just normal for cultural attitudes at the time, and that is why progress is a great thing. It is easy to claim that women suffered due to the lack of power and privilege, but then you need to look at what that entails. It means you had to live up to masculine standards and expectations, it means you had to work hard labor to provide for your fami…
/r/MensRights03/03/21 01:56 AM
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I'm literally just talking about superficial attraction, you're taking it too seriously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 12:51 AM
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Socially speaking, it is hard to derive power from femininity when feminist philosophy is so paradoxically sex-shaming and sex-negative in regards to women, and the nature of femininity. They only accept their femininity in a bizarre sequence of rationalization, where they cast off those aspersions, and pretend that they are empowered if they make the choice to be sexualized, it is a lie they tell themselves. Also, not all women are feminists, you might be generalizing a bit too much.
/r/MensRights02/03/21 11:50 PM
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They support your right to be more feminine, and to prostrate yourself before them AKA r/MensLib
/r/MensRights02/03/21 11:36 PM
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The issue with that is that inherently sexist depictions of sexual objectification have virtually been eradicated. In the UK they get fined for portraying women as sex objects in lingerie advertisements, something that it would literally be appropriate to be sexualized in. So, the whole "sexual depictions is sexist" argument holds no merit, they simply are still equating sexuality with sexism in antiquated beliefs, and these things are directly contradictory with how they view modern women and s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 11:23 PM
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I'm basically brand new here, but there's something I want to comment on from your post. You have to recognize that a bias already exists, and that sexist intent will automatically be assumed if you criticize feminism. That is because feminism has grown to represent equality of women as a whole, and the concept of modern female victimhood is now engrained into the fabric of society. It is important to emphasize this, because feminism at the core is a dangerous, anti-male movement, that has gaine…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 11:13 PM
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I did accurately demonstrate that, I simply didn't provide a separate example because I thought it was clear enough. Feminists also support the idea of "male sexual objectification" because if people are concerned with both sides of the equation, they might miss the critical flaw. Which is that when men are objectified there is rarely a sexual connotation, a man is not assumed to be degraded by being viewed this way in the same way a woman would be. Feminist theory is actively sexist and sex-neg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 10:31 PM
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I find that to be very true, there seems to be a constant internal conflict among feminists where they despise this idea, but then they want to pretend they have control over it, so they will claim empowerment if they choose to do it, and then try to bullshit why this is a completely different scenario. They really can't come to terms with the fact that biology might just be a tad bit sexist when it comes to that aspect of humanity, they do their best to deny it at every turn, everything is soci…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 10:23 PM
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It really only has to do with biological attraction, men can be attracted superficially to women as "objects" they directly want to penetrate and have sex with. Women (unless they're into that) don't want to penetrate men and treat them as "objects" in that regard, they want to be treated as the "object" of a man's sexual desire. Feminists, like the majority of humans, believe the man's role to be "superior" in this equation, and they want to destroy that idea. Granted, I don't think they are do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 10:19 PM
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I'm aware of that, but I'm also willing to concede that real sexism was still a problem in the 70's.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 10:15 PM
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Is that all you got out of what I said? The point is not whether it is reasonable to be sexualized in some situations as opposed to others, the point is that the ideology they continue to uphold is one that is paradoxical. You cannot play victim in a way that demeans your own sexuality, relative to a man, and then turn around and play into that very same concept, and pretend that just because you chose to sexualize yourself, that you're still being viewed by men as any less inferior by the natur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 10:14 PM
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Of course, they want to believe they have control, even if their own philosophy dictates otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 10:08 PM
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Huh, I don't think you said anything about an audience, be more clear next time.
/r/MensRights02/03/21 10:08 PM
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I'm not sure I would call them "willfully" manipulative, they genuinely seem to believe what they do, at least it isn't a trick they're trying to pull while knowing full well it is bullshit, they have become convinced that their social role has nothing to do with biology, that it is all a fabrication of society. It is literal insanity, but they do it with a straight face.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 10:07 PM
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I know firsthand of people that are true radical feminists, and who also see no irony with their own personal sexualization for profit through things like OnlyFans. But, regardless of whether that is a small minority, feminists at large support women that are openly sexual, they genuinely believe that as long as the woman chooses it, then that should somehow eliminate all the shame and sexism they claim exists when men are responsible for sexualizing them, even when that is just in fictional cap…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 10:04 PM
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Feminists simply view male sexual attraction as hostile and predatory unless it is on their own terms.
/r/MensRights02/03/21 06:53 AM
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The fuck, don't advocate for a 33% rape percentage, that is insanely inaccurate.
/r/MensRights02/03/21 04:36 AM
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Facts and data only work on people that abide by the laws of rational thought, and logic, feminists do neither.
/r/MensRights02/03/21 03:58 AM
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I hope the false accusation comment is just a joke, they're not going to accuse you of rape, and you're not going to "destroy" them, because they won't secede an inch of ground in the debate. There is nothing you can say that they won't try to rationalize through their warped, contradictory world view. If you can't avoid them, I would express the fact that you would rather bash your head (repeatedly) into a wall than to engage with them on the subject, it will almost certainly be less painful. Y…
/r/MensRights02/03/21 03:52 AM
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Technically, toxic femininity isn't women being smarter/stronger than men, it is the opposite of toxic masculinity, so if that is men being toxicly masculine, then the reverse is women being toxicly feminine, and leaning into bullshit victimization, all the while using their feminine privilege to their advantage. Ironically, almost every feminist displays toxic femininity, despite claiming they want equality, and to be treated more like men.
/r/MensRights02/03/21 03:21 AM
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Women are obviously sex objects that you can decapitate and keep having sex with, so why not? /s Shockingly, this is contradicted by the fact that rape is considered a horrific crime to do against women, and is sometimes said to be worse than death. You can even make the case that this viewpoint is sexist to women, that if they weren't treated so fundamentally different than men, that we would see their rape as wrong and a crime, but not some irreparable violation of their person that is unique …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 02:13 AM
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True, I would have thought that sounded ridiculous not that long ago, but they genuinely see themselves as blameless, they are always the victim, they hold no responsibility, and every single bad thing that happens to them is sexism that is perpetuated by men. Unfortunately, what they believe is sexism, is mostly just biological reality, one that they are still trying to escape from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 02:03 AM
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I was talking about radical feminists, not women. I was accused earlier today of echoing the sentiments of a small minority of feminists, but by and large these are the sorts of views that your average (non transphobic) radical feminist believes. I don't believe the majority of women understand that radical feminists consider themselves the only true feminists, and those that are liberal feminists and just want equal rights/opportunities probably fall victim to some radical beliefs without knowi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 02:01 AM
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Except, what things suck for men that are a direct result of men or masculinity being viewed as inferior to women or femininity? I'm not talking about men being shamed for displaying femininity, because that's still a condemnation of femininity, even if it harms men. What sort of things impact men that have absolutely nothing to do with how women are viewed in social relation to men. I really can't think of any, because this is ultimately a problem that men have to fix, for everyone's sake, femi…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 11:47 PM
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Both of those things still correlate with how women are viewed, if men are regarded as depraved, while exaggerated, it is because there's legitimacy in how women are actually viewed and treated in terms of being sexualized objects, and these cultural attitudes are perpetuated by patriarchy, to serve the overall interests of male viewers/consumers. You have to understand these things simply aren't equal, even if you want to use biology as an excuse. But just look at how different (in America) the…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 11:21 PM
-7

"Men can be victims" is undoubtedly a feminist goal, it is critical to establishing that women should be viewed more equally in terms of sexual power dynamics. You guys are just confused as to the real goals of feminism, which is equality, but in a way in which masculinity is toned down, and femininity brought up to par. Except, you seem to think you lose in this equation, and don't understand that femininity being more respected will directly correlate with male issues and perceptions towards m…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 11:05 PM
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You need to understand... Goes on to justify why sexual assault is accepted towards a man/boy How about men who are abused by non reciprocating domestic violence. This is why abusing men is becoming acceptable, or raping them, because of people with your mindset. Your ideas here are literally feminist. I'm just talking about the sexism (to women) responsible for them.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 10:49 PM
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Well, radical feminists are against this, because it is sexist treatment against women (that they are socially viewed as sexually inferior) even if it were to give women an advantage when it comes to a lighter sentence in sexual abuse cases, and real feminists are absolutely not trying to protect female abusers. Feminism has never been against you, you guys just misunderstand what the source of the problem actually is, it isn't you or all men, its about cultural attitudes that men are socialized…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 10:32 PM
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It has nothing to do with me, it is an observable social reality. If you're against this, then guess what, so are feminists, they believe that women should be viewed as negatively as men in this context, and they reject the idea that a male has any real sexual power over a female, that this is just a socially conditioned viewpoint. Also, I never said anything about prepubescent, I was thinking like 13-15, but clearly a minor.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 10:15 PM
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This is way more delusional than any feminist I've ever seen, and that is saying a lot. lol
/r/MensRights08/02/21 09:38 PM
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You said the opposite? It is because we still view a boy as having more sexual power than a woman.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 09:20 PM
0

I'm talking about how society really views women compared to men, these are demonstrable realities. Also, you're talking like a total feminist, which would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically ironic.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 09:12 PM
-73

We "care" more about women because we patronize them and view them as if they are weak and need to be protected, but that is sexist and othering, even if it benefits them, it is still treating them more like children than adults. Also, I don't follow, a woman raping a boy will absolutely get less time than a man raping a woman, so...?
/r/MensRights08/02/21 08:59 PM
1

You're assuming they were ever there in any serious capacity to begin with, history shows us that men were routinely the ones in power, even if women weren't looked down on for their more matronly roles, but there are exceptions of surprisingly gender equal societies in ancient times, but that's a lot easier before technology and increased intelligence, and all of that, etc.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 08:45 PM
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But you need to understand this dynamic exists because we don't see women as a threat, because we don't view their sexual interests as being anywhere near that of a man. This is sexist, and society has been working on changing it, but this also ties into biology, the man has a dick, the woman has a vagina, the man fucks, the woman gets fucked, and society isn't necessarily wrong for seeing the man as the superior element in this equation, but changing this dynamic involves acquiescing more sexua…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 08:41 PM
0

Feminism is about equality only in the sense that women are treated unequally, and any benefit to men is coincidental because gender equality can benefit everyone. It is primarily focused on women, and assumes that women are still unequal to men, and socially, they probably are, but this is due to biology, and can only be changed so much, feminists don't accept this and believe everything comes down to social conditioning.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 08:26 PM
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Feminists don't want a matriarchy, at all. They just want the world to ignore relevant biological factors so that we can all be more equal, and while this is doable up to a certain point, they largely don't see the big picture or live in reality when it comes to addressing how women should be treated or how to end sexism, etc. There is no matriarchy, most likely never has been, so we certainly couldn't say what that would do for society. Plus, even as an ex-feminist, the idea we would ever view …
/r/MensRights08/02/21 08:24 PM
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You're literally in just as deep when it comes to viewing the world as a victim as feminists are, except that they actually have a legitimate point, they are just inevitably biased by being women. If male victims are shamed it is because being a victim is being feminine and weak, an indictment of femininity, most of your issues can all be traced back to sexist views against women. Also, women aren't all feminists, and those who claim they are probably aren't real (radical) feminists, so women ca…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 08:19 PM
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You really don't get this is because we (society) practically ignore any sexual power women might have when their gaze is directed towards a man? The opposite scenario looks much different because society knows that men have the sexual power over women, they know that male sexuality is superior. Women might have the ultimate say by deciding who they will have sex with, but we all know who the "winner" is when it is all said and done.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 08:03 PM
0

Its a rebellious statement out of frustration, because women know they are viewed as inferior.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 07:47 PM
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A nonsensical statement, sexism directed towards men is a result of women being viewed as inferior, because men are still the dominant species, do MRA's not believe that? Feminists don't work specifically for men, just tangentially, because dismantling patriarchy would help men who don't live up to masculine standards and can feel shunned by that, etc. I fully support the idea that society is sexist against women, but I don't think feminists know how to actually fix it or how to be completely ho…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 07:47 PM
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Sure, men experience problems from patriarchy just like women do, unless you can live up to all the masculine standards that are expected of you. But then, even if you do live up to these standards there's people who will judge you for holding power over them, when you're simply part of a system that you can't control. So much of what MRA's seem to take issue with come down to issues that relate to men being viewed as powerful, and women being treated differently because they are perceived as we…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 07:38 PM
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If you're a real feminist then you should understand that the MRA are a reactionary group against feminism, who don't understand the concept of systemic sexism or how benevolent sexism works, and somehow twist everything into some kind of victim complex just because feminists take a stand against being the othered sex that exists mostly in appearance for male pleasure, because the dominance of man is viewed as superior.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 07:28 PM
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Surely, it has to come down to more than just being treated equally by law, though? Having equal rights isn't enough for you to be treated equally in society if nearly every aspect of society and media reinforces sexist ideas about women in regards to their appearance and sexual status. Do MRA's deny that women have throughout the last 50+ years often been treated as sexual decorations in things like media and advertising for the enjoyment of a presumably male consumer? As men we mostly take thi…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 07:21 PM
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I don't agree, they genuinely believe in equality, but as I said, they want to abolish gender roles and make "male" and "female" largely symbolic than anything meaningful, they want to bridge the gap between the genders until they are equal, often ignoring biological realities. Also, they do understand they would lose certain privileges in the process, but they don't like to call them privileges, because they feel that they are being patronized in the process. For example, women can sell sex in …
/r/MensRights08/02/21 07:12 PM
0

You're literally everything you claim to hate when it comes to feminists, no? lol
/r/MensRights08/02/21 06:56 PM
1

Its kind of super obvious she's talking about middle eastern type stuff.
/r/MensRights08/02/21 06:51 PM
-2

You do understand how that viewpoint can actually be extremely condescending to women, right?
/r/MensRights08/02/21 06:49 PM
-2

You know feminists don't support that, right?
/r/MensRights08/02/21 06:48 PM
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Feminism is not about revenge, it is about equality, but you have to understand that feminists want a gender neutral kind of world where we ignore biological differences, and treat each other mostly the same. They believe sexism is a social condition, and not a product of science/biology that separates men and women. Society can certainly do better when it comes to sexism, and we have, just look at the advertising/media landscape now compared to 20 years ago, but feminists simply don't live in r…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 06:42 PM
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Real feminists don't think men are inherently evil, but that by extension of being a product of a systemically sexist system, that men are going to inevitably absorb and perpetuate harmful ideas/attitudes towards women. The problem with this logic is that feminists imagine some fantasy world where we can ignore biological differences and treat both sexes the same, even if there are demonstrable truths that male biology is superior. I advocate that we treat women and femininity equally even if it…
/r/MensRights08/02/21 06:22 PM
1

You responded to me. Everything I said is true, and has a logical basis, but you have to figure this shit out for yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 06:21 PM
1

I'm living proof that it's real, and that feminism is (mostly) right about everything. But this is stuff I actively sought out myself, and I initially rejected it and started leaning more anti-feminist before I woke the fuck up and realized the truth. So, I completely get why the average male thinks feminists are full of shit, and that sexism is virtually nonexistent, but it simply isn't reality. If society is sexist, then we're hardwired to view men and women within that sexist framework, to th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 06:13 PM
1

We both know it's next to impossible to convince men that feminism might actually have a point. lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 06:00 PM
1

Hey man, keep thinking we're some kind of slaves to our arousal, I know better. Cheers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 05:53 PM
1

It fundamentally shouldn't, but when you use that sexualization to prop up one gender at the expense of another, that's exactly what happens, and is one of the most contributing factors to sexism. Just think about the kinds of sexual shaming women have received that men are never subject to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 05:46 PM
1

Do you think it's a lie that men are socialized to view women similarly to objects than whole people?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 05:37 PM
1

Exactly. The problem is that your average man doesn't know what that means, sexism is so socially ingrained.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 05:26 PM
1

No. Objectification is primarily about sexism, eliminate that and you are no longer a slave to these impulses.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 03:45 PM
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