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Ah!--I see where the paths diverge now: I would call them highly effective men, rather than high-quality (some are, but most of us can't realistically get top marks in every subject, even/especially fuckbois)...and really, not even "effective" in general, just at the very specific field of looking nice and chatting up women. No--I find the kinds of dudes we're talking about tend to more closely resemble used car salesmen than billionaire philanthropists once you actually get to know them. I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:35 PM
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Please be patient, but: I don't see the relevance of this to the comment by u/calmly86 it's replying to
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:58 PM
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I feel like once a year, all middle schools should hustle all the high-achieving possibly-autistic bookworms into the cafeteria during 3rd period on a random Wednesday & sit them down, and just have someone impress on them: "when you grow, up, sonny: it's gonna be about vibes."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:54 PM
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He wasn't saying those win points; they're saying (paraphrasing you if i may, OP) that there's a mismatch between what supposedly makes one attractive or unattractive as a partner and Graham Platner's actual dating record compared to others who'd seem to be at least less offensive, if not a better catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:49 PM
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Am I right that by "Sharia courts" you mean that shit in Texas? I haven't been paying enough attention to it to have a take on what was actually being proposed, not have I seen the polling that has that number, so while I don't feel informed enough to say whether you could be moderate and support what Steve Bannon, etc. at least are calling "Sharia courts", on both religion+government & LGBT, I'd say I have more or less the same dividing line between moderates & zealots (& this applies generally…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:57 PM
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Ah, i would say almost to a person no, then; certainly not in the US if we're sticking to anything like the colloqial of definition of "sharia"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:28 AM
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Too-hard-didn't-read: they look like non-Muslim moderates, apart from attending mosque instead of church
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:31 PM
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🤨 ...well, for one thing, it's a hard question to answer because, as with most things.(religion, politics, hobbies...).it's usually the fanatics for whom its their "look". Crude generalization: there's often an articulable fundamentalist answer or viewpoint on a given issue, but non-fundamentalists aren't deciding based on their nonfundamentalism, so their attitude on a lot of things might not register as a "religious" one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 10:16 AM
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i fear i know the answer, but: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:21 PM
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I gotta say, I've always used "friendzoned" a bit more broadly, to include innocent cases of "I like you as a friend", but maybe I'm using it wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:57 PM
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I mean, was the flat, freckled girl beating them sideways on math, science & lit? ...that said, what none of us of course knew in middle school was that the physical flaws we were getting picked on for were 99/100 barely detectable & just distinct enough to be unique identifiers, and on that note: am I wrong, or did we both leave out a third group in play here, in addition to those criticizing you for your success and those criticizing you for your transgressions: those who criticize you not for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:04 PM
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[Woman] went on a date and offered to pay, and the man accepted but insisted she give him her credit card so he could give it to the waiter and look like he was treating her. ...just wanna tell him, sucker : just recognize it for the compliment that it is, & if you do accept, let her pay with her card as in any other circumstance; then, if you're truly more insecure about the usurpation of gender roles than you are about acting/looking like a weirdo, assume your smoothest, most confident pimpin'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:13 AM
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Isn't the whole "seven year itch" concept predicated on the idea that everyone starts to resent their spouse after ~7 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:00 AM
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I pretty much roll my eyes any time a person assumes they're disliked because of...jealousy. Here I step in & the top comment's already made my intended point better than I was going to. Yeah—it's not that people who operate like that don't exist, it's just that it's nowhere near as ubiquitous as our tendency to not want to face up to our less endearing traits and less laudable behaviors, past and present.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:55 AM
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my point was that shelter residents are an *extremely* nonrepresentative sample population, and while i have less experience with this, I'm guessing that folks who write death threats based on feminist critiques are as well. This is why anecdotal evidence tends to be disfavored as support for generalized statements—or as it's colloquially called in the politics-media biz, "nut-picking".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:26 PM
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Boy, as hesitant as I am to see your reaction to a comment that's actually pushing back on your data...are you seriously using a study of women in a DV shelter and extrapolating that to the general public?? For the record: I've stayed in homeless shelters. If that's the data we're going by, then you are at any time one wrong statement away from being physically assaulted by *100%** of the men you meet (okay; less if they're appreciably smaller than you), and two more points on this: • I'm not ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:47 PM
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well, it amounts to that...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:35 PM
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is this one of those things like car accidents, where people point to the quantity/frequency to prove women are worse drivers, while others point to severity/fatalities to prove the opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:49 AM
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you heard 'em! the market has spoken!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:57 PM
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I got an axiom for you, too: Sex is like air—it's only important when I'm not getting any ...tbh, though, I'll walk with you partway: this should be amended to "when I *can't* get any"—withdrawingno_pun_intendedbecause you're sated vs either doing the same from frustration or flailing wildly for anything available without success are such different ways of being celibate we shouldn't even use the same word...maybe voluntary celibacy* should just be called "on sabbatical." * for personal reasons;…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:18 AM
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Not everyone cares about status, but you're leaving out the part about being hardwired to want it, which to me is the more important factor, at base level.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:01 AM
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I was meaning it more in the ecological niche sense*...and sarcastically. (As near as I can tell,) no women want abuse & the trope which says otherwise comes from a misreading of women who feed that cycle unknowingly by mistaking it for something other than what it is and indulging it instead of rejecting & distancing. Men by turn, in the main, don't want to be abusers but are prone to pay attention to & respond to incentives, hence the grumbling from lonely guys when they see someone more destr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:59 PM
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apparently, nor I you, then—not trying to be difficult, but would you mind rephrasing your previous point, if you'd be so inclined?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:37 PM
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I'd say that niche is fully occupied as it is, wouldn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:00 PM
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nor do guys call each other hoes, as a rule...but maybe I'm misunderstanding you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:47 PM
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Well, what if we flip it around: would women find it offensive to be considered hookup-able but not "marriage material" (i.e. "can't turn a ho into a housewife")? EDIT: we need Cardi B or somebody to release a song called "Hubby" that sounds like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:44 PM
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"We find your insecurity insufferably egotistical!" . . . (nah; i hear you though\)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:11 AM
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hmm...where do you usually encounter single men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:13 AM
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I'm not familiar with those studies, but as far as sexually libertine social butterflies go, they get attention because their availability is more apparent, full stop. you're looking at sales numbers and conflating the success of the ad campaign with the product quality, i think
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:08 AM
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There's degrees of preference when given a range of options or pursuing in an open field, vs. what you'd turn down if it meant staying single & celibate. If you like brunettes, brunettes will probably see more of your energy directed towards them vs blondes, and your dating history will reflect that. I'd call that a preference, though, which is different from a standard, which is i think what's being discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:58 AM
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Well, it is just like "regular" loneliness in this sense: some people seem to feel the lack acutely after even an hour's absence; others appear never to get those pangs at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:54 PM
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How is an SO different from a platonic friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:50 PM
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Agreein' with you, OP. Are ↓string & ↑soprano here conflating pretty late with no hope whatever or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:42 AM
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I don't think either have full control, but I'd go along with saying that women have innate control than men do. People aren't wrong, however, when they point out that men have a more freedom of movement when it comes to changing our level of attractiveness, because beauty's susceptibility to skill level, while it exists, is less than that for something like humor or earning potential. So while women have a better chance of being born playing the proverbial game of life (forgive this metaphor) o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:42 AM
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Okay; but then we're back to OP's point: what's the insecure guy to do? Seems a bit flipped around to expect someone to react to rejection by («genuinely!») feeling more comfortable with who they are, if you see what i mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:31 AM
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I will note this strategy gets expensive if you're not filtering by who's willing to split the tab on a first outing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:18 AM
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Because those of us that don't have body image issues to begin with would become really insufferable if we made pride in their appearance an officially-sanctioned virtue. . . . /s ...mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:49 PM
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[stipulating that's true], From an outcome-based standpoint, are the odds better trying to change womens' minds re: hypergamy? And, tangent, but a point of clarification: would you say that's true for what the "average" man would be now, or do you mean they would want the top X% of men regardless of whether & by how much the "average man's" quality improves or degrades?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:21 PM
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Not that this lacks wisdom, but it sounds more like life advice than relationship advice
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:28 AM
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I only disputed your contention that it was "a complete lie"—I wouldn't presume to second-guess you on what precautions you've learned to take to feel safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:12 PM
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That's only a contradiction if you're assuming that's the only reason someone would pursue sex for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:09 AM
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One way I've heard it pitched is that women need to feel loved before they want to have sex; men need to have sex before they can feel loved. Like any axiom, it's fundamentally reductionist, but i think it scratches at something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:36 PM
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Because of gender roles, norms, etc., yes...although to a certain degree gender impacts your neurochemistry, which in turn helps shape your personality, so the two aren't entirely disentangleable.←(phone is dubious that's a word...well, f#@$ it, you know what i mean\)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:09 AM
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Let's not oversimplify—even two perfectly-balanced character classes* are still going to find certain kinds of missions easier or harder than the other, regardless of whether they're actually more likely to end the game with a higher score. ...Oh, fuck--I fell into the thing you were talking about, didn't I? * to use the kind of metaphor that risks getting my v-card handed back...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:03 AM
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Just wanted to compliment you on keeping it level and focusing on areas that seem likeliest to yield fruitful dialogue. I'm sure I'd have gotten sidetracked before now in a similar place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:58 AM
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no past casual sexual encounters feels floatable as a preference, but as a hard rule I'd call that excessively restrictive (i can't tell from the wording which you meant), even if its one you've stuck to yourself. but I'm just some rando on reddit, so weigh my opinions accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:42 AM
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...okay, height should probably be exempt from this hypocrisy metric—or at least measure it as a % of population for someone's respective gender, like that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:23 AM
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(maybe not the best example you could've picked: thousands of Ukrainian women have taken frontline combat roles in the current conflict)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:02 PM
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Women want equal partners, not traditional gender roles. Just noting in passing: that's not a binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:04 AM
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which unfortunately plays into the narrative that men are alway0aaq11qqq1 you qq1q ands just trying to play women for sex. At the risk of niceguying this discussion, the consequences of these narratives being internalized would likely include a lot of frustrated guys playing out and confirming another stereotype (paraphrased): Any good male [friend/romantic prospect] now almost always end with the man being evil midway or near the end
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:44 AM
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We're never gonna learn this as a species, are we?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:43 PM
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Nah; this is like arguing class builds in an RPG
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:33 PM
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I agree that men who inhabit the overlap section of those beliefs' venn diagram are thoroughly perplexing, despite them obviously existing, assuming chatbots haven't experienced any recent breakthroughs in sounding pathetic. Just adding a caution flag that there's a lot of dudes who'll only hold one or the other*, so people should check first before assuming that someone who voices one belief must also endorse the other. (* with all three possibly outnumbered by the # of guys believing neither)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:10 AM
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People are, but the decent ones still tend to frown on exploiting the vulnerable. (that said, I don't get the OF hate at all--whole thing feels like some barely-repackaged, unreconstructed slut-shaming; full stop\)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:37 AM
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Would love to get a head count of the men on here who, ☝️, are basically in agreement that the prominence of double standards like what OP describes among women is a major contributor to a dysfunctional modern dating scene, and ✌️, are adverse to and would generally decline offers for casual, no-strings hookups? Please reply below if this describes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:38 PM
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speaking generally, #NoNotEverySingleOneJeez : A sex partner we can bond with and relate to deeply is preferable to one we can't, but those are on opposite ends of Maslow's hierarchy for us, and we prioritize accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:42 PM
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Nah, that usage has a pedigree, too* --I'd actually only heard the term used in the socially-avoidant sense until relatively recently (for context, I'm an elder millennial), so its one of those words like incel or liberal**(v. "progressive") where I try to strike a balance between nudging the older folks to keep up with the evolving vernacular whilst reminding the younger ones that there's a whole sweep of etymological evolution that precedes them. ...well, anyways, thank you for coming to my LA…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:11 PM
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I think this is one of those situations like with "incel", where the formal/OG definition of a word differs from the most common colloquial use in one or more important ways, while still maintaining a good amount of overlap so it's not always apparent from context which meaning is intended. I find the ·best· only way to deal with this is to stop and compare definitions once it starts to feel like you're getting your signals crossed or talking past each other. Otherwise you're both hearing differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:17 AM
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I get that I'm an outlier on this, but: any way to view that without having to make an account?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:09 AM
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Just speaking personally, I still struggle with distinguishing vetting & friendzoning
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:19 AM
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👋 ...not being worth a shit, though, I won't waste your time laying out the ways I take issue with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:31 PM
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What about for the himbo/fuckboi/chad/[insert whatever derisive term of art you like] types? Seems like they must be getting something out of it to keep going through the trouble and expense...otherwise, they'd already be doing just as you advise, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:58 AM
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Man, if that's ugly, I may need to reevaluate which side of the 0 I fall on in the 0-10 number line.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 09:52 AM
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Based and in need of antidepressant-pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 09:50 AM
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Appreciate your being straightforward ASAP when a new prospect seems unlikely--just because drawing that process out may feel more gentle doesn't mean it's actually kinder that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 01:51 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 04:46 AM
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Not for creating it; for maintaining/evangelizing it today. It's not purely 1:1, but would you dispute that redpill as a movement is self-associated with upholding traditional notions of sexual morality like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:57 AM
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👋
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 06:45 AM
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Yeah, that's the human condition right there
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:03 AM
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This was my gut reaction, too: if you're not as physically attracted to Latin men, say, then it is what it is (& presumably this preference wouldn't apply to someone from Latin stock who lacked visible Latin features...unless it was based on racism, anyway), but in the case of bi men this just wouldn't normally arise, so you'd have to be somehow holding that knowledge against them. Not that there's anything wrong with taking someone's prior behavior/lifestyle into account when evaluating hotness…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:50 PM
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I wish you the best on thst score, but I do have to wonder why I keep hearing complaints like OP's here, then
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:27 AM
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That, and/or it's a testament to the successes of the feminist movement that there are no longer enough girls being taught values such as "compliance" to maintain the old gender parity which required it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:25 AM
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I got bad news for those white men, at least the ones who aren't rich...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:16 AM
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It wouldn't be meaningless--just context-dependent. But our left-right definitions are like that anyway, when you try to do comparisons internationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:09 AM
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Yes—that's clearly what he meant, & don't try to weasel out of it, either, u/IndependentNew7750!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 01:07 AM
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I've always found that enough meth can compensate for any interpersonal power deficit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:22 PM
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Oof. I feel this one personally
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:04 AM
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Point...but look up the most common symptoms/diagnostic indicators of prolonged depression
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 03:15 AM
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True; it's more about what succeeds than what's wanted—a manipulator, for example, can be very successful despite being totally parasitic & unanimously loathed. EDIT: Also (& I'm sure you know this; just stating it for the room), the evolutionary model starts breaking down to whatever degree we're talking about dating, sex, partnering up, pair-bonding, or anything else in the absence of children. Our learned social behaviors do not propegate in the same way our physical genes do; it's a rough an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:05 PM
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What part of this do you think can be addressed through politics?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:31 PM
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Shit...I can see a lot of guys not wanting to bring it up IRL out of concern for sounding like a little bitch—you must admit, talking about our feelings and maintaining a warm & supportive internecine spirit have not historically been widely regarded as among our strong suits
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:49 AM
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Hmm...I mean, they probably wouldn't have gone out there without stores (selling food, clothes & gear) either, right? Is there something different about the brothels, or is this just what you'd expect with supply and demand shifting around naturally to follow each other, with the core draw effecting the westward relocation being (surprise!) the gold? EDIT: it'd be interesting to play out a couple of alternate timelines, though: one where the West Coast would have saloons but no brothels, another…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:31 AM
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...well, maybe like 5% more than misogyny...but yeah, let's aim for neither
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:12 AM
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⟨a heads-up: this turned into a huge sidetrack...i swear unintentionally⟩ we have the data that shows how best to lower addictions from happening in society I'm not sure we do, actually—everything I find out about the most commonly-invoked option (AA/12-step method) reinforces my impression that it's largely floating on pseudoscience + its low-low-cost to set up & run, and even if we pull all the data we have on the best-practices & success rates of the various addict/addiction treatment methods…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:09 AM
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Unfortunately, here the addiction is passed down from parent to child in the womb, & the thing we're addicted to is *you *. Even the normally can't-shut-'em-up-about- abstinence 12-step crowd has to stop for a noticeable pause before answering, when asked if they believe the only healthy way forward for those so affected to swear that particular ambrosia off for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:52 AM
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Keep going--I'm still validating
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:46 AM
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because why care about people when you already have their votes. Even that would be a better dynamic than what they're actually voting for—the right is everywhere & always about maintaining existent hierarchies, and usually further entrenching & sharpening them, in modern times with domestic agendas that further increase disparities in wealth & treatment by our legal system. It's literally the last thing you want if your grievance is based on being neglected at the bottom of the pile...unless yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:40 AM
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(tbh, my brain initially processed this post title as though the emphasis was on PROMISCUOUS instead of MARRY and thought we were going to be diving into a comparative weighing of the advantages vs. drawbacks of living la vida goomar ) <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:28 AM
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I assume they* mean that they** need to be getting as much enjoyment from being around you as you're getting from interacting with them. Could just be funny; could come up with inspired ideas for activities people find fun or rewarding; could also just be by paying for the kind of fun/brag-worthy experience of the kind that costs money...but think about all the time and focus you'd like them to give to you and do your best to find some way to make them feel just as drawn to spending that much ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:10 AM
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Y'all must not have had older cousins/brothers...which, I realize now as I'm typing this, probably isn't gonna be much help in convincing you that leaping to an assumption that there's anything homoerotic going here would be.entirely premature
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:33 PM
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Again, not the phrase: just the belittlement of someone based on dick size (or, perhaps especially, presumed-sight-unseen dick size) used as a standardized insult--that was *dead* common on the playground when I was growing up, incl. the associations w/masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:48 AM
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Oh, but anyone can get friendzoned--it's rejection-adjacent, if not a form of rejection; it's a phenomenon that'd still need a word regardless. EDIT: btw, can anyone confirm for me that this phrase is ultimately traceable back to [a Chris Rock joke from Bigger & Blacker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zywIR_ZFLts&t=42 (1999)?)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:16 AM
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I dunno if a man or a woman came up with the actual phrase "small dick energy", but I (M41) always got the impression that the core sentiment of that as a taunt was something a lot of women picked up from watching guys use it against each other. (Not saying it's more okay in either case, nor denying that there are expectations, some of which can be unreasonable or coming from ignorance, which women place on men, but a lot of the stuff you're talking about, I believe to have originated as tools i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:13 AM
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In some ways, underlying it all is a great big collective ask: "just what are the *RULES for this thing*?" ...to which I might, with appropriate humility, gesture to the sub header at the top of the page & say, "Well, you've come to the right place!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:04 AM
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👆That second paragraph gets pitched as more of a surefire thing than it is a lot of the time, OP...but agree with her that your definition of "bad" seems pretty myopic, as the briefest glance at ...oh, say..., violent crime rates will tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 04:31 PM
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It's very important to watch the male's body language carefully during encounters with yourself or others; bringing the arms forward with upraised thumbs, as shown above, is regarded by most anthropologists as a threat display.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:58 AM
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You must spend time observing them going about their day from a discreet distance, like a leopard pacing a flighty gazelle from the tall grass, until you have taken in their habits and ways. Then, when you sense an appropriate moment of opportunity, where your prize is unaccompanied & unguarded...pounce.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 12:00 AM
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Matcha said "most", and they ain't wrong about that, either
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:56 PM
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I'm fascinated but a bit unclear on this concept of "flirty friends"--I'm not sure guys have a close analogue. (I have known a couple of girls whose overall vibe could be described as "flirty friend"...but in comment above👆 you suggest women may prefer that to am my type because it makes their intentions clear and eliminates guesswork--which are perhaps the #1 & #2 things I would not say describes the kind of person I'm thinking of.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:23 PM
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fr; what is with this epidemic of people conflating criticism with oppression? – feminism, pleeease don't join the Right on this!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:17 AM
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it upped your odds of mating, if you didn't die. it did, however, also up your odds of catching the die.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:37 AM
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Respectfully: you don't think the *reason* they're taking a pass on dating might be pertinent info? EDIT: if nothing else, it could help decrease the rate of this trend, going forward
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:48 AM
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If I told you I love spicy food, but I don't like feeling the heat in my tongue ...what‽ if dating and abuse were that tightly linked, the question would be why more women haven't retired from it—it's more like if i want to eat out tonight*, but I don't want to wait in line, sit somewhere noisy or have someone misunderstand my order) * ‹sigh› here, I'll say it...just so we can move this along: ...giggity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:08 AM
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heh...open relationships, often enough
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:42 AM
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bit presumptive there
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:09 PM
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As is tradition; no jumping the queue!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:52 PM
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...With the obvious exception to this rule, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:23 PM
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that sounds right; ditto for all the nonbillionaire dudes, too, although the women will probably get their rude awakening first
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:49 PM
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I guess I see the *date* as being the part where you get to know the other person better—if their goal was to trade the cost of a meal for sex, they would presumably decline the arrangement or not follow up if the bill were to be split and \ahem*) no luck was had that evening . . . right? Your method, on the other hand, while certainly convenient from the woman's perspective, isn't necessary for sussing out those only looking for quick tail, while at the same time presenting the man from getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:02 AM
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...I think you managed to offend most everyone with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:54 PM
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hey, it was a fair question to ask clarification on
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:52 PM
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...what?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:50 PM
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What, the *whole* feminist movement? In any case, you have more faith in the consistency of stoic commitment to the greater good existing within our fellow males than I do if you think there's one chance in a billion of us maintaining ranks in a breath-holding contest with women vs our own respective libidos. But if you just mean winning the philosophical/ideological arguments on the merits, then I think the future looks sunny—as you say, those schools are extremist, and while the trend lines ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:50 PM
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...Rather than try to give a bio of somebody I don't know that well, I'll just link to a couple podcasts he hosts, which is how I first got turned to him: Pivot (w/Kari Swisher): https://pca.st/episode/3692dfb0-7dc9-41ee-8eb8-50b836cd7ee2 Raging Moderates (w/Jessica Tarlov): https://pca.st/episode/1e1f471d-6727-4653-b3e8-7c1b54bf81d5 Mainly US politics, a bit of finance (his background)—"young mens' issues" only come up once in a while on those casts, but here's a YT clip that promises to have h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 10:23 AM
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Scott Galloway, maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:37 AM
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I'm not sure the two are extricable; would you say this about someone claiming to suffer from a lack of some other fundamental type of social experience/bonding, such as (& let's just turn the pathos/melodrama spigot up to "high" here so we don't get bored) someone friendless, perhaps for their whole life, or an unadopted orphan who maybe doesn't even have any memories of their parents?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:33 PM
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habitual and addictive use creates a carrot/stick incentive to keep seeing people in a way unlike any other hobby. I can start ice skating next month and quit for absolutely no reason whatsoever, but even people who want to "just try" drugs get hooked A lot of truth here--it can even work the other way, with socially-inhibited individuals who would otherwise be ready to move on to another interest stick it out on the drug scene because their social scene as set up already revolves around it and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 05:33 AM
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You must use the color black to symbolize different things than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:08 AM
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Kind of like a free strip club Maybe this👆represents the central distinction here—just personally, I never understood the appeal of strip clubs, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:53 PM
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...what's 'DPH'?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:49 PM
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Ah; thanks! ...ah, crap--it looks like this is over; I had to go back to OP's prompt to write my follow up, and it just got yanked by a mod.✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:05 AM
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Women don’t have the NEED to partner inherently as men do, instead just having the desire to. So until women have a similar need to partner, somehow externally since they can’t naturally have it like men... ...I think I took "partner" in the sense of "significant other", but am I right that you're using more in the sense of "sex partner"? If so, would you object if I wanted to use "drive" in place of "need" here? Bc then I think I fully understand & agree. OFF-TOPIC, but: How do you get one of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:52 AM
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Yeah; they're introverts too, probably shy, and so the two pass like ships in the night
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:08 AM
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Maybe the guys are obnoxious prats but good eye candy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:06 AM
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Wait...why is it a need for men, as distinct from a desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:59 AM
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What kind of actions are we talking about, for comparison? ...and maybe for each we oughta factor in any heightened cost of SA or related violence & stress that women would be risking, if it involves f2f.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 03:05 AM
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The power of our frustration increases with each rejection: as with batteries, you want to avoid overcharging & watch for swelling to ensure safety & a long life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:15 PM
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"the PHALLUS CARTELUS"--it's not real Latin, but I like the ring: let's go for it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:12 PM
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I think there are a lot of people that are delusional about their own relationships not being transactional. If she only has you over if you pick up groceries/fix her car, or you only sleep with him because you really want to go to that expensive concert... THAT is just prostitution with extra steps. because sex is so powerful, it's profitable, so pimping immediately joins the conversation, and now it's a topic of slavery...not sex. Couldn't you say this about any kind of profitable good or serv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 05:17 AM
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Not who you were asking, but: would you be okay with splitting that into two questions?—I suspect a lot of people are inclined to see the former as more contestable than the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:51 AM
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Couldn't give a flying fuck about eye candy--my answer's "yes, potentially", but they would need to be beautiful enough on the inside to compensate for her physical/sexual attractiveness quotient (to put it in the most bloodless, unromantic way possible\) being reduced by whatever % our sex life would be over the expected norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:17 PM
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People largely don't care about what others a doing as long as it doesn't affect them directly. That describes a lot of us...some are also bothered by what someone's doing if it harms a third party. But when a person's actions only harm *themselves*...yeah; if it's not somebody that you know personally and you're concerned with it in any kind of noticeable way, I'm just gonna assume that's your church speaking through you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:42 PM
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I see...I guess you're right; I guess I had let my mind wander a bit & was thinking more about the implications of his research more holistically
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:50 AM
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momentarily pauses to consider ...ye'ep; that sounds like our MO!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:56 AM
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Could also be running into issues with dating roles & expectations re: first approach, depending on the individual making this complaint EDIT: For women, dating is typically only as hard as you make it Hard disagree--there are a lot of lyin', shady guys out there who bring a hustle mentality and a strategy of proactive pursuit to what I almost hesitate in their case to call "courtship". * not 'ceaseless', mind--I just mean that they'll most often leave you alone when they switch targets, not bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:53 AM
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Wouldn't this mixing naturally follow for a social species once/if we accept the validity of evolutionary psychology?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 10:50 PM
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and...or, \consequentially...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 10:48 PM
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EDIT: nm; ignore; off-topic ...but those things take over from, and are shaped by, the biological wiring we've developed up til that point; I don't think it stops being relevant at that point, it just may require us to be careful in how we apply it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 10:47 PM
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\glances at userflair * ) Ugh--him...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 10:28 PM
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That said, taking an attitude which assumes a high degree of personal agency in determining one's life outcomes can have payoffs even in the absence of this belief being true . . . so user you're replying to's advice may still be good regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 03:45 PM
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Depends on your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:12 AM
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No, that's fair -- my intent wasn't to suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:03 AM
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IANG, but given how traditional notions of masculinity have historically regarded being gay, I would think most any excuse to put those old conventions to the torch wouldn't need too much additional motivation
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 07:56 AM
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Either way, their point about it being subjective is a valid one
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 04:15 AM
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HE happens: <image> (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:50 AM
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if only I could see your online profiles, footage of you in conversation and a selection of people you think are reasonable targets for your amour, I bet I could explain it all." Truth; a lot of this stuff stays unresolved precisely because of the unreliable-narrator factor / repliers having to either overgeneralize their answers or make a ton of dubious assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 06:54 AM
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Well, at least we've only got 426,874 more years of it to go
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 06:42 AM
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Not meaning this to be a criticism to your larger reply overall, but listing out "tax collector"* as a major glass ceiling of keystone position of power got an involuntary half-smirk out of me * is that a specific position in the DotT, or does the 2/3 figure just refer to IRS employees overall? , mostly because the IRS doesn't usually get listed among aspirational career paths for the ambitious, & the organization itself has to regularly struggle just to keep its funding from being slashed, ...b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:40 AM
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I detect an unstated assumption here that you believe OP is arguing that these problems are innate and unfixable within our current context &/or that their solution is to backpedal until we've reassumed the norms of a past era and discarded some or all of the progress we've made I don't necessarily take that from OP's initial text, and without that interpretation I don't know that your two takes on our current state are all that conflicting in their actual content so much as in your respective t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 10:00 AM
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Hard disagree, although in cases where the alternative is expected singlehood, they do care about getting laid more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:30 PM
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u/Lemon_gecko (OP), I'm not sure I fully understand your last sentence, i.e. your reason why "that's what we're complaining about!" wouldn't be a valid answer for a redpiller to give. Could you perhaps rephrase/clarify, when you get a chance? (thx!)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 06:12 AM
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Actually, I suspect the latter at least would probably be true, to a greater or lesser degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 06:47 AM
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I'd say men are at least as unforgiving towards men who seem lacking in masculinity; it just doesn't stand out to us as often bc it's become internalized as a norm by its very pervasiveness, plus we're less likely to be the object of your affection and hence our unfavorable verdicts won't be what determines your relationship status.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 06:43 AM
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...well, probably not true only for autistics, but your overall point's well-taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:50 AM
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Hit-&-miss for me; I'll just do it line-item: ⟨slut-shaming⟩: Sure, but if we're calling that "wanting female supremacy," or whatever, we probably shouldn't ignore the blindingly-high number of guys who congratulate themselves & each other for body count while , excuse me, slut-shaming women for the same. I generally just mark both for filing away in the "shallow brainpan" drawer of my idiot box. ⟨heightism⟩: Don't really disagree, except that it feels overgeneralizing to not limit this critique…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:45 AM
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Cant start a fire without a spark... ...it's a Springsteen track, she's just covering it (for the neophytes\)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:17 AM
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no; its the men that might have a problem edit: as i just gyanked like 12 hours ago from some guy on another thread: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:41 PM
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hah! <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:47 PM
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If it's really altruism driving that, why do they limit it to people they're attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:17 AM
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Sounds like OP's argument that you can "pay" with things other than money
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:13 AM
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hey; that's a pretty traditionalist argument for a classical liberal!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:31 AM
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'ey; fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:29 AM
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reproductive strategy i figured they just meant it in the evolutionary biology sense of creatures or lineages or alleles having a "strategy" to survive & propagate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:37 PM
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didn't realize it needed to say "formerly" it's a, um, subtle change, but potentially meaningful Guess I should probably add: fine flair, good flair, nothing wrong with repping it, I've got neither time nor track for "slut-shamers" + anti-fun zealots in general. And I'm sure it works fine with no problems 99.9% of the time—I just hope you can appreciate (& ideally weren't too offended by) how a person could find the contrast it creates paired with comments like the one above legitimately funny
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:57 PM
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I-* ...y'know what; nothing... <image> (makes me think of what a gender-flipped version of ODB might say): "This one is dedicated to all the pretty boys out there in the world..." "All the pretty boys...and the *ugly** boys, too!* ..." 'cause to me, you're pretty anyway, honey!"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:32 PM
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glances at userflair
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:51 PM
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I live in a city known for attractive people. maybe that leaves you with "refined taste". If you mean L.A., though, Zi believe that stereotype is mainly to do with aspiring actresses
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:50 PM
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I have no comeback—we 💯% do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:30 AM
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are dating apps the best way to measure this? Seems like they'd restrict women to basing their answer on a small selection of photos plus whatever bullshit they wrote in their bio; a bit different from irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:28 AM
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You can learn a lot from marketing, since the lead-up to dating is basically selling yourself. Aside, but I've been invoking a principle/maxim I'm calling "the Iron Law of Negotiation" in disputes here over where, when and how the balance of power rests between the sexes during courtship, which is maybe the most-favored recurring theme on this sub: The party most willing to walk away has the leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:25 PM
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True; it's not like the big luxury brands are buying :30sec repetitive ad slots in my podcast feed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:54 PM
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Or they have an exceptional product or service. ...if you're not sure whether your product or service is exceptional remember that, going by the odds, the answer is "probably not".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:05 PM
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\nods *) As with everything a whole lotta stuff: expect the male bell curve compared to the female one to have fatter tails, on both ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:01 PM
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Maybe we don't disagree there, then—I agree that the left's current strain won't do it. But I think they have the capacity to be corrected on this; for the right, it goes against too many of that coalitions load-bearing precepts to orient itself towards achieving a more beneficial social order for "loser" men—the only ways I can see them acting in ways that might win red-pill approval all involve softening or rolling back current norms involving womens' autonomy and equality hard-won through the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:14 AM
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they're a good person overall. «most» of us probably are...which just shows that this doesn't provide the safeguard against behaving in an awful manner that we think it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:38 AM
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how much of this could be explained simply by these "asshole" types approaching more women more persistently?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:36 AM
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Agree with your basic grievance here, and find your suggested explanations all likely contributors...but I'm gonna take issue with a side point: the idea that this is a 'left' thing. Being against feminism in all its forms (real & imagined) is definitely a conservative province*, but that's about where its proven capacity to empathize with disadvantaged men stops. The left has at times been haughty & oblivious to the struggles faced specifically by men, but for the love of God, people need to di…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:26 AM
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well, sh*t, now i have to ask: ...you tell him? ...I mean, maybe not the "burning with lust" part, at least not before the end of the evening, but...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 11:11 AM
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you haven't noticed that your sense of attraction has any "standards" to it, i.e. reliably recurring themes? (EDIT: hey, these are some good responses so far—good question, OP!)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 10:45 AM
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what's the difference between purple & no pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 10:42 AM
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so you think the women giving the bad advice are conscious that that's what they're doing? (or /s?)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:15 AM
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Communism( a female style of government) ...boy, i hope we're at least sharing a common definition of "male" & "female" rulers... I would think that the numbers there (which i don't know; would be interested in any source you may have for them) might be skewed if we see more female rulers crop up as we progress through history toward modern times, because so do population numbers & hence the size of armies. Specifically, though, aren't we talking about how rulers behave when they're clinging to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:41 AM
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Yeah—not to drag this out into tedium, but I was suggesting that the use of the word "attraction" was the problem in their framing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:37 AM
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I'm dubious, and history's got a lot of bad male rulers to back me up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:31 AM
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sounds like you're more onboard with option 2, then (problem's in the framing)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:55 AM
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yeah, fair enough... doesn't do much for the frustrated lonelies out there, tho
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:53 AM
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sign me up for making any proposed solutions here inapplicable to guys who say that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:29 AM
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does that mean the answer's somewhere in the middle (generally/"very" true, but not always), or is there an issue with the framing of the question (i.e., do women/people pair off for reasons other than attraction*)? * physical, or otherwise: there's an unfortunate mangling at the end of the title ? that makes it impossible for me to be 100% sure of what OP's asking
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:28 AM
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shit...i dunno how to break down the psych term "cognitive dissonance" to everyman speak; i wasn't intending it to work as a pickup line.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:37 AM
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(Almost of necessity, it's going to be a double-edged sword on that score any time you found a movement based on a group/class of individuals which intends to advocate or speak for that group.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:31 AM
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just pointing out that, if we're indeed not just talking money, there's a certain tax in cognitive dissonance that doing this extracts if it's not in fact how you're feeling, & frankly the expectation to do so, when it feels pervasive, does a lot to contribute to the notion that women want to be lied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:21 AM
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..."nice jawline"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:17 AM
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well, if i were to be totally honest...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:14 AM
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Sure; arguably, that's the central struggle for civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:04 AM
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My sympathies; I've had similar betrayals and I'd never dismiss how scarring they are. My point, actually, was that none of these social norms & messages do much to lessen the hurt from the knife going in in the hands of someone you trusted, so the suggestion that it's worse for this party to do it vs that feels to me a bit like discussing degrees of murder--one one level, yes, our legal system recognizes them, but on another, there are no such recognized degrees of being dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:50 PM
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I'd argue that second one amounts to a reduced penalty for men; that's a privilege, not a handicap—& I disagree that it means that it hurts less for the man's partner, it just might mean s/he gets less sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:57 AM
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I'm repressing this cognitive behavioral heresy [EDIT]: why the fuck does reddit keep feeding me posts ≥1day old?!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:35 AM
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I've never seen women flocking over balding, short and ugly criminals Madone!--"The Sopranos" has misled me again! <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:34 PM
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Cheaters often prosper in honest societies, but societies of cheaters rarely prosper. I figure that suggests that there's a sort of nonstatic equilibrium maintaining the continued existence between the two. (...the same could be said of most viruses, so I don't mean to suggest that it's a vital keystone within nature's grand design; equally worthy of respect & preservation as any other; really quite beautiful in its way, etc. — i just mean this is a hazard to watch out for until the day we puzzl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:45 AM
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be very charming that part, i suspect, is the bit that's gonna require the most elaboration. kinda got that "Rule 1; Rule 2" vibe, or whatever that axiom's called.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:38 AM
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I don't see what kinds of lies a man could tell, or how he would even communicate them to a woman, when the odds seem so low no matter what you do: I get the sense a lot of men see the dating struggle as one of attrition—if you go into it with the expectation that you're going to strike out 99 times in 100, then anything which boosts those odds from 1% to 2 or 3% is going to comparatively seem like a huge force multiplier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:35 AM
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Nicely put. Tryin' to fight the urge to #NotAllMen this, tho, because often that'd be someone else's lie which is causing her to mistrust you (the male)—there's a Tragedy of the Commons dynamic thing at play here, where it might be to everyone's benefit for everyone (the men) to behave one way, but if some rise to the occasion and others don't, the ones who don't will individually benefit at the expense of those who took the leap of faith onto the high road.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:31 AM
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I'm not really familiar with the club scene, but speaking more broadly, one potential asymmetry mat be that men are likelier to work their way *all* the way, down the "ladder of desirability" until they find a willing partner, whereas I *imagine* women would be quicker to pull the plug partway down the Stairway to Settling if disappointed by the remaining options. Folks can tell me if I'm wrong about the dynamics, but if not, this'd be more likely to leave men with no options if you're not high …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:21 AM
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I'd say a lot of them are more "exhaustive" than "complicated".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:48 PM
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I'm quite content with my curated playlists of Scandinavian EDM remixes of 1970s/80s pornography film scores, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 08:00 PM
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Yeah, it'd be like telling me my total lack of appreciation for mariachi and reggae music is not just a display of my own bad taste, but immoral...those pieces just don't fit together.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:17 AM
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"Not the dating advice we *need, but the dating advice we **deserve."* (But agree that the *problem's** absolutely real: men are given all* kinds of bad dating advice from *all** directions and, perhaps counterintuitively, a good chunk of it from women.\*)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:26 AM
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Otherwise we will be discussing...polygamy as well. (We may end up there in any case, as it turns out.) Standout Mongolian trivia!—would you happen to know how far back this practice went? I've been told the Mongols didn't really adopt the practice of broad, recurring taxation prior to assuming control of China, but I couldn't speak to the accuracy of this claim (if it *is* true, tho, one would imagine a generous pension program for widows would probably not be a natural fit for their social/gov…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:53 AM
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speaking as a homeless person, i don't think the comparison *is* that outrageous. i survive just fine outdoors. I don't know that it's gonna shorten my life noticeably—at least not directly—but it's sure as fuck not good for your mental health to go without it for extended periods; it'll really cause you to reassess your relationship to & place within your society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:18 AM
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true that; and as always, war is hell—this one's such a borderless conflagration that you can aid & abett one side or another without even realizing that the framing & vocabulary you're using have, in fact, been weaponized.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:11 AM
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My hot take would be that this could be simplified by combining 3&4, esp. if you allow for your sexual/romantic partner also being said trusted friend in some cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:01 AM
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agree with you on the end goal, properly understood, but are the two claims incompatible? As a movement/ideology/whatever, it grew out of a relatively nascent but growing awareness of what amounted to normalized injustices faced by women. Most of its framers & early adherents were women, and men who subscribed early on would have (my best guess is, anyway, but I'm open to correction) been mostly motivated by finding some of the prevailing norms & attitudes towards women offensive to their sense …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:52 AM
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no idea why the goals of feminism are or were supposed to account for what men do or did. It wasn't for or about men, it was for and about women. Hence the root word You wouldn't, for instance, say that feminism was about the overturning & relinquishing of patriarchal norms mostly developed by men & with mens' interests foremost in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:33 AM
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well, yes it is, or at least it's the best way to conduct yourself if you want people to take you seriously...but social progress often suffers from a tragedy-of-the-commons problem in that while society may improve overall if a given norm-change is widely adopted, first adopters may find themselves at an individual disadvantage while the old system is still broadly in use. That shit can eat at your soul, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:20 AM
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minor caveat: that *can* vary by culture (somewhat)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 05:05 AM
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Well put...but it does feel weird to me to think of it as "misandrist", probably because my (admittedly, amateur armchair) sense has always been that it derives from preferences other men have for virginity/low body count. Which doesn't mean it's not a harmful idea to have around for men, but it does give it a weird "self-hating" bent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 05:03 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 08:54 PM
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...like, all of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:20 AM
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I dunno; if I had a 1-in-8 chance of getting robbed where i lived, I'd think about moving
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:37 AM
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Oh, when men say that, they mean ego & economic risk; they're not equating that to risk of physical harm or SA trauma, unless they're missing a part of their head (& some are...)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:46 AM
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can i ask how y'all met?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:43 AM
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*(they're probably measuring from when it becomes apparent that that's what it is, since it's common to begin a cold approach disguised as something else\*)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:42 AM
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Heh...creative idea. One objection I can think of is that it'd be a 10-gigawatt strobe beacon for predators & manipulators of certain kinds . . . so it'd at least have to be engineered with a clasp or button so that you could forget to take it on & off at appropriate times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:38 AM
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Many woman also say i would never date a guy that doesn't approach me first. I, uh, hmm . . . I'm not sure exactly what you're drawing from here, but I'm guessing they don't actually say it (i.e. self-report/assess) like that...?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:30 AM
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maybe the problem here's just the framing/wording, then: your first comment reads (to me, anyway) as though you mean it to apply to all approaches by all men; here it reads more like "be respectful, or don't approach". Two really different messages, I'm sure you'd agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:24 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:18 AM
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you're not worried that'll wind you up in a relationship that only lasts as long as the enthusiastic sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:49 PM
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Besides...veterans in bitterness know the true sigma thing to wish for is, "I want Chads to be treated just like me."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:44 PM
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(I think you have me confused with another user—who's Hamza {who's Rollo? Who's... 🤨 ...'Wheat waffle'}?)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 12:49 AM
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the self-improvement angles seem perfectly sound, if not universally-applicable. some of the stuff i see them quoted as saying regarding how to think of the women you approach seem pretty irredeemably toxic, imo. ⟨individual gurus' rhetoric may vary; i'm just talking general surface-level impression⟩
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:00 PM
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clearly, more of them need to subscribe to my low, low ($16.99/mo. this week only!) cost program for amorous advancement! catch the alpha wave, losers!©
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 10:55 PM
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that sounds like they get more feedback, which isn't so much like a "sense" (which should give you information on its own) in the radioactive-spiderbitten "sense" of the term...but i recognize that's me being pedantic
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 10:51 PM
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you know d*mn well we would have been every bit as apocalyptic if that ad had been cut with Paula White or Pam Bondi instead!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 05:39 AM
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Just want to observe that sex is in some ways like money, in that what most of us get mostly comes through our own choices & efforts. With that being said, it'd be a huge oversimplification to say that the amount of money someone has can tell you how much or how little they wanted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:49 AM
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i believe "my body, my choice" would be a much better way to put that message, as long as you're going to be claiming that women spoke with one voice on the issue & said anything (which is treacherous enough as a premise without swapping out a widely-known movement slogan for a niche variation I'd never even heard before)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 06:36 AM
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OP said "empathy"—perhaps that wasn't exactly what they meant, but as written that part at least sounds pretty basic-bare-minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 06:32 AM
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Reject the comparison of "unattractive person of your preferred partner gender" and "person not of your preferred partner gender" (and if anyone knows a pithier way to word that, please lemme know)—I think I'm speaking for more guys than just myself here when I say that even for something pretty universally regarded as a turnoff (like, say, elderliness, or finding Elon Musk charming on X), an octogenarian woman who vocally backs McAfee presidential runs would still trigger less of a disgust resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 05:03 AM
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...are you suggesting the two groups don't *actually* have frequent overlap?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:54 AM
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Seems kinda circular to me; I don't think their susceptibility to poisonous right-wing poppycock is in many cases gonna be wholly unconnected to their struggles. ‹ ...i'm not saying there's a pussy boycott on MAGA, I'm saying the kinds of personal failings that lead one to look at Donald Trump and think "great leader; a man for our time!" probably also manifest in other ways or share a common root with other tendencies & proclivities that potential dating partners are likely to find unappealing.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:08 AM
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pretty harsh judgment just for getting signals crossed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 12:10 PM
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out of curiosity, anything interesting behind your userflair?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 10:52 AM
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(My understanding is that either outcome's possible, but admittedly IANAOBGYN, or even hysterically equipped)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:57 AM
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Those men are still virgins though - in every way that counts. While I know what you mean, surely that's for them to decide, yeah? Besides, to whatever extent checking even a seemingly meaningless box can lift at least that obsession off their shoulders and allow them to refocus, it might be beneficial on that ground alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:18 AM
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is there an industry-standard way to search/ask for that particular "specialty"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:15 AM
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I don't think that's a holistic solution in most cases, tho' I wouldn't knock anybody for seeking it out or finding some solace in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:34 AM
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that's what I'm reading...also missing the sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:51 AM
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☝️seconding—"most" wasn't the word in the title I thought needed the most clarifying, either
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:34 AM
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No amount of money could be worth having your name attached to what that will inevitably become
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 12:51 AM
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fair; but then who's gonna be doing it with a girl under each arm?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:16 AM
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...did you mean 'shoot your shot', or are you saying u/gtbreddit1 has made an unrecoverable error?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:13 AM
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"Preferences" might be less the concern here than "dealbreakers", tho, and there we might have some more variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:25 AM
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Most fat guys and old dudes don’t want to date fat girls and old girls y'know, I hear this get floated a lot, and while I'm sure that there are anecdotal examples, I've met very few fat old guys who would pass on a fat old gal because they prefer to keep rolling the dice on a young skinny partner surfacing even if it means remaining single in the meantime—I'll eat my jimmy hat if there's enough of that going on to skew the numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:59 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:56 AM
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women also made their contribution to killing any male spaces as much as possible ...wait; like what? I've never heard this line of complaint before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:19 PM
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hmm...so is the ultimate point of this👍post that men should be selfish for their gender/group rather than for themselves? ...or...?.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:15 PM
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piggybacking off this to ›BONK!‹ u/Ceazer4L for implying in the first paragraph that just wanting sex must therefore make someone not "good intentioned." That really ought to apply only in cases where the person* either outright lies about this or is otherwise being manipulative towards a partner who's plainly under a different impression. * EDIT: okay, 'guys'...but this should still apply in (mostly-hypothetical\ cases where it goes in the other direction)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:58 AM
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Agree...although anything my partner called an 'extra-relational interest' without elaboration would probably earn a brief interrogation from me, too...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 06:05 AM
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(honestly, you make it sound like the libidinal gap is a male-conspiracy myth putting it like that)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 05:00 AM
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they're saying that for men in general, their actions (i.e. credit card transaction histories) don't match their self-reported preferences, sort of like how some people's list of traits they like in a partner look nothing like their actual romantic history. You can disagree or challenge that, but it's a pretty straightforward & apropros thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:56 AM
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don't be so hard on yourself!--most barbarians don't dress their kids up . (oh, & !ping u/Logos1789↓ I'm bothered by the analogy in the prompt, bc most interests don't come in the form of an entire other dependent person; that seems to me like it should be more excusable than, say, a fishing hobby or the need to practice the drums several hours a day. But it's perfectly fair to say that you're not prepared to take on the extra responsibility (and inevitably it *would* impact you, on scheduling m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:45 AM
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( [TL;DR]: Only assheads actually like this behavior. ) Backing Common-Brush up here, though: it (afaik) is true for most of us that we'll momentarily size someone up at some point early on re: our likely odds in a fight, but that's only gonna influence your conduct with them if you're a 'roided up asshead or, as Brush insinuated, a school bully. We (speaking anecdotally) stay passively aware of what I guess for lack of a better term we'll call Alpha-rankings because there's enough assheads out …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:47 AM
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that's how it struck me too, and so far I've had no takers—I thought it did a good job noting points of agreement without that bleeding over into endorsing anything that smacks of hyperbole, overgeneralization or the scapegoating of one/either "side" (for instance, by implying that money, looks and status are the things all women look for, eclipsing inner character traits)—the decision to keep "one reason or another" vague was astute, and by keeping that wide while narrowing (without rejecting) …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:45 AM
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I'm not disagreeing, just tickled at how succinctly this☝️makes the case (or one of them) for why women as an aggregate don't return the levels of interest men shower them with, with the same enthusiasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:39 AM
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To me, at least, it seems in line with what I've noticed not so much about women as human nature more generally. You also managed not to put 100% of the blame on this side or that one or to take 100% of it off...which *immediately** made it stand out to me on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:42 AM
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hmm...curious if any RP men *disagree * with any part of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:49 PM
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It's not reject so much as passively not form, i would think; a big nonsexual difference between friendship and dating is that you don't ask the other one if they want to be a couple, it's much more organic as a rule —unless I've been doing it wrong...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:06 AM
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Befriending women's not a 'solution' to any problem other than a lack of female friends, for sure, but for the record I've had not one☝️but two✌️long-term female* friends who both let me down gently but were perfectly willing & able to keep things as they were—it's not a foregone conclusion that this'll totally send your car off the road. * i know some people's hair gets up on this kind of use of the word "female"...well, we were minors at the time & "girl friend" already means something else
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:26 AM
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you're basically right, but its something which improves as you gain confidence, which increases as you take risks and succeed (or, failing that fail but with the consequences being much less harsh than you expected) If you haven't had those successes and gained that confidence, especially if you've had several formative *negative* experiences with nothing to cancel them out...I'm not saying "fake it til you make it" is always gonna be glib/bad advice, but there is a limit to how long and how vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:46 AM
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when putting yourself into that situation holds minimal appeal That's a sensible call, given the stipulation above...otherwise, you're talking with a lot of certainty about what it seems to me would be the transference/repression of what's typically regarded as a pretty core & stubbornly hardwired part of your psyche, right?--one with an unmatched reputation for causing havoc in response to being repressed/transferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:56 AM
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definitely; but if you backtrack up this thread i think you'll see that what they're talking about is no longer eating–* . . . 😒 . . . ·mushrooms- champignon. EDIT: so are folks not liking the mushroom innuendo, or actually objecting to my characterisation? - see what happens when you do drive-bys w/o leaving a comment? I dunno how exactly to characterise what it is this sub is attempting to solve/improve on, but I'm pretty sure by any definition that nice (conforming to fact, standard, or truth…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:44 AM
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"Compatibility" is probably misleading, but not as misleading as If you're a competent adult capable of asserting yourself sexually you will never have to experience bad sex and I'm not sure your elaboration helps any: No I'm not concerned about men being bad/selfish lovers because I would literally never find myself in that situation. If someone is bad in bed, tell them what to do to improve, if they don't listen pull your pants up and leave. ...I mean, first of all, you're already *in* that si…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:24 AM
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Nah; you can take this logic and run with it anywhere: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:58 AM
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to put it crudely: ugly women are still like B-list, former-child-star -level celebrity in this analogy. Still a leg up if you want to use it, but history shows us that's often not enough to keep the self-unaliving & drinking deaths at bay, so I'm not saying here (and frankly never would in any context) that outright-ugly women suffer serious cruelty and regular casual disrespect through no fault of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:53 AM
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I sure I couid quibble with a few points, but overall a found this a very thoughtful & perspicuous take, so wanted to thank you for sharing while i mull it over
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 10:03 AM
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(I think they just meant that to be an example of the kind of thing to focus on; your individual metrics may vary)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:50 PM
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"Follow me," (he said), "and I will make you fishers of maxx."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:45 PM
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Beats f#$@ out of me; there's not really a universal yardstick for this, tbh--the general formula in my state (CA) is that each year of marriage equals 6 months of alimony—if you don't even make it to the year mark, like in u|takemetomosque's 3 month hypothetical above, the judge may not bother with it at all (disclaimer: IANAL)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:27 PM
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most women just can't carry a fucking fridge correct me if I'm wrong, but if this (benefits of blue-collar/physical labor, strength-based household tasks, etc) was a determinative factor, wouldn't you expect to see higher rates of marriage among lower income groups (i.e. those more likely to have "hands-on work and less likely to spring for paid help or labor-saving equipment for tasks such as fridge-shifting, jar deliddening, etc)? Bc it's my understanding that the opposite is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:44 AM
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(actually, while it varies by jurisdiction, it's quite common nowadays to have a minimum threshold for length of marriage in order for a partner to qualify for spousal support *period*, as well as a second, higher bar for a full/50-50 split.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:31 AM
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We definitely ought to normalize/destigmatize prenups; it shouldn't be anxiety-producing to wrestle with the question of whether or not bringing it up will be taken as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:28 AM
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*agreeing with you for the most part, but: - if you can quit, it's not slavery. - if being forced to stay because you have no apparent means of providing for yourself otherwise is de facto slavery, then what percent of people reading this right now are free from bondage?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:25 AM
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wait; why are they (sahw/m) idiots, especially if it *is* paid? —& also: whaddaya mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:12 AM
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the oldest teenager in the house anybody care to help me with an assist on this👆 bit of vernacular?...unless it just means wo/manchild, I'm stumped & so is google.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:15 AM
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Quarrel a bit with "need"... you're *literally* right, of course, but the same could be said about having a place indoors to sleep, or being allowed to interact with other people more generally. tbh, a lot of the dispute in modern politics re: the role of the public sector comes down to when/where and if so, how to recognize people's wants/needs as rights. Here, because with love in particular it requires another person's actual mens rea, state of mind, to be a specific way, it seems pretty obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 12:28 AM
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Are tall women actually shown to avoid "dating down" moreso than lower-altitude men are uncomfortable dating someone taller than them wearing flat shoes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:10 AM
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Ah—well, like Simon & Garfunkel's unnamed hikikomori, ma'am, I fear you don't know what you're missing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 11:19 PM
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Well, that's the hope, anyway. So, by way of illustration: you'd say (indulge me) that the I Am a Rock guy ultimately has the better trade-off vs the girl in Total Eclipse of the Heart, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 08:36 PM
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That's still pretty vague—to be more clear myself: I'm trying to get a handle on what it is about their position that makes it easier to approach strangers? EDIT: actually, it looks like in another comment you mention the lessened risk of...well, of getting raped/SA'd, basically. While certainly true, I think i might still take issue with that framing if you're interested in pursuing it further, but I think that does answer the question I was asking up above👍.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 08:26 PM
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Any thoughts on the old saying, "better to have loved and lost...?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:23 PM
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The reason women get more attention from strangers is because men have it easier, so it’s easier for them to approach strangers ...I'm sorry; what? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing; I don't know what you mean there; I think it'd help me some if you could clarify what "men have it easier" is in regards to (bolded above)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:16 PM
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I was gonna say "practice", but 🍻
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 06:22 AM
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I'd say that anyone who falls into either of those two groups is likely to just be *all* kinds of fucked up
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:08 AM
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Hard disagree: have known plenty of guys with female friends who struggle with dating. It is true that there's a lot of overlap in what people value in friends & romantic partners, but that's not saying much other than "good looking people with the gift of gab tend to do better in general."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:03 AM
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Solid argument overall, but I would like to take issue with one item item on the list: The dating aspect can sometimes be completely boiled down to the fact that men are egregiously horny, while women are not. Women pick and choose who will fit their lifestyle the most, and, yes, it’s often based on aesthetics. Meanwhile men will date anyone with boobs. We know—that libidinal imbalance is probably the biggest driver of the differing experiences of men & women with dating. That's a handicap for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 02:25 AM
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(I think you can just take the win after that answer)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 01:59 AM
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All plausible guesses, although I want to stick up for the demis and near-aces* & say that's more of a lack of interest/taste-specific problem than a fear of inadequacy. * assuming that's the root issue & not a mask, they'd have to be \really* near to ace in order for their sex drive to be low enough for "afraid of matching partner's energy" became a generalizable problem, right? I'm thinking about what I've heard about long-term lesbian couples plus the number of women who as near as I can tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 10:41 PM
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You could well be right; I'm no MAGA whisperer & only speak pigeon shithead, but there's another possibility & it ties into the observation that Trump seems to go for the type you're describing too: It could be that those sorts of body modifications and that overall look function as status symbols in certain subcultures, so you may have the type of guys who always have one eye on the ladder sometimes pairing off with collagenic arm candy the same way an insufficiently-taxed executive might spend…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:28 PM
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It's less than ideal, sure, by definition...I guess I'd say that I don't actually hold expectations of having 100% of my ideals met by anybody who exists in real life, because (neither meaning nor having received any offense here) I'mnot 10 years old...I measure "settling" starting from what I consider even remotely realistic, but if I were to start measuring against a Platonic Ideal mate for me who's a wealthy supermodel & also a brilliant scientist, capable of switching up in conversation from…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 07:23 PM
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80%?‽ - I'd be *ecstatic *--anything over 50% and I'd want to triple-check my instincts anytime I felt some kind of urge to move on (you did say ideal, right?)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 03:30 PM
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Well, neither am I, but here I am... <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:20 PM
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You should try to pick for an example someone who's somewhere close to the median for the group they're representing; are we talking mostly about men whose cases are as severe as the Elephant Man's here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:35 AM
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Oh, sure: tell the whole f$#&in' WEBsite, why dontcha‽?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 04:42 AM
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Rather than making it a judgment on his whole essential nature, how about we just say, "a man secure in his relationship"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:50 AM
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That's what I meant by "utility/quality only factoring in with a new launch after sales successfully makes their pitch"--before then, the customer hasn't decided to buy your product, hasn't got their hands on it, and can't yet assess whether it fills a huge hole in their life or they just got completely ripped off.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:30 PM
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Tangent, but I'm gonna disagree with athletics per se being a field for "genius"—I think usages of that imply unusually incisive way of thinking, whereas athletics seems to be more dependent on grit (someone who invents an entirely new way to pole vault, though, or a coach who's fine-tuned a regimen to the nthe degree of perfection...maybe now we're talking. Ditto a quarterback or wide receiver who are supernaturally good at shaking defensive pursuers and opening up a clear arcpath between them …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:20 PM
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That's a very cynical view to take of the utility/quality of the good or service being pushed...although I suppose for the first round of customers, that only gets factored in after the interactions with sales conclude successfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:49 PM
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A wholly-inaccurate assumption: I'm no academic!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:47 PM
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If "citing past social dynamics" is out of bounds, I'm not sure what you're expecting "evidence" to look like. Are you basing this on the number of people 25 & under who haven't settled down yet, or what?--because pretty much anything else is going to require a comparative look at past trends. Personally, I suspect we will see a shift in the direction you describe, for more-or-less the reasons you cite, but probably not as stark—if nothing else, a lot more people in the social dynamics of the pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:36 PM
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Or to put it another way, men are more desirous of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:27 PM
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I think the way the types who employ terms like "privilege" would put it (the serious ones, anyway) is that men *are* privileged in certain ways & situations, as is every other demographically distinguishable group, or near enough. Agree that it's not a competition, but it's also not a binary—privilege isn't even really best seen as a spectrum; it's more like a localized descriptor of how well you're advantaged or handicapped by what's around you compared to the norm. Presumably we can all think…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:29 AM
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Obviously, it'd hurt to be reminded of it; beyond that, it would really depend on the treatment they gave the case...but as I'm sure you know, the genre's rife with content that goes broke for gallows humor* and wild conspiracist web-spinning, so I'd bet with a handicap on finding the treatment insufficiently reverential. That said, I'd like to think I'd be able to recognize that I was experiencing a predictable cost of my listening habits—in other words, I knew going in that this was a potentia…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 04:49 AM
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It's a vice; I think that'd be fair to admit. I'm generally not moved much by shame- or ethics-based arguments that aren't rooted in specific tangible harms being done, so I don't personally find it compelling (which isn't a dig at your argument specifically—this applies to a whole class of argument, against video games, music, drugs, pornography/sex work...if you feel inclined, you can look through my comment history and find that I've written like 4 distinct comments in the last ~24 hours argu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:35 AM
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It's the unfolding puzzle-box thing, primarily, plus i find the ways people handle situations of extreme adversity vicariously compelling. Also, I have a hard time falling asleep without some kind of narrative to focus on and, maybe counterintuitively, true crime podcasts are some of the best for that (I need something fairly long and not broken up by too many commercials, with a level-toned narrator speaking at a moderate pace—Casefile is the best for this I've found, while True Crime Garage an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:55 PM
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✌️Male TC afficionado here!; just checking in to establish an alibi.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 11:41 AM
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I still maintain there are men who stayed inside instead of going out to social events and opportunities without any such "shunning" being a pre-requisite. If you mean chronically, even in the face of an awareness of their own loneliness, I'd have to say it's probably a rare individual who'd do that absent any painful past experiences with similar attempts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 11:39 AM
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Your incisive witticisms only reinforce our ill-considered ego-defense mechanism of sweeping, gender-based loathing!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:59 AM
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👆good method
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:41 PM
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Nah; any relationship will force internal power struggles. I guess one made up of two passive people just wouldn't ever know how a day or evening was gonna go once they left the house & made themselves available to the suggestions & insistences of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:40 PM
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I'm using this metaphor derisively I know; I'm hijacking it Human interactions should never be viewed in such childish and degrading terms Well, for sure—any time you're employing a metaphor, it's important to remember not to mistake the map for the territory
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:34 PM
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Actually, I kind of like the "game patch" metaphor... I'm imagining how hard it would be to do rebalancing if the game's active player base were also its designers, rather than their customers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:07 PM
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As in, if you keep them talking long enough they'll eventually make some sweeping negative generalization based on gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:49 PM
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Less easy if he's actually splitting his time & income between both families, but yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:53 AM
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I'm just not very given towards or needful of demonstrative gestures in relationships, which is where I'd put most of what you listed in your opening prompt.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:58 AM
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would leave my romantic one for her
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:50 AM
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I wouldn't gender-gate this: women have long been saying the same thing about the pressure to maintain eye-catching packaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:02 AM
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it might make sense for you and u/Robot_Alchemist to spell out what characterizes a sexual part. From where I'm standing, it's true that men being aroused by women's breasts is pretty universal across cultures, but the degree varies, and the same would apply to women's body curves in general, so where/how is the line drawn so that we lump in breasts but not (as some cultures do) hair? I get that breasts are involved in progenation, but not the reproductive act itself, so it does seem arbitrary (…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:12 AM
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*bell hooks. (Sorry!)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:56 AM
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i don't know that it's incentive so much as obliviousness
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 09:02 AM
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Red pill likes to ignore how men are contributing to the situation, though, because they hate women and want to make it out to be entirely women’s fault. We ought to start market-testing messages like "Andrew Tate's not only a monstrous human being, he's *also* why you can't get laid!"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 10:31 PM
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(sorry, dude, but the setup's perfect...)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:31 AM
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Equally true for women, then--they'd be less driven on the average by their nature. What I'm getting at is, I'm not sure why it's more valid to propose that one gender step out of their comfort zone for the greater good here than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 10:43 AM
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by the choices and actions of women Well...the more motivated buyer/seller is almost always going to be at a disadvantage when bargaining vs someone who feels free to walk away from the negotiation; I think that dynamic applies here: at some level, the "who approaches?" question is a breath-holding contest. If we're allowing that women could even out this imbalance by being more proactive, wouldn't it also be true to say that men could even it out by not folding so quickly?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 12:33 AM
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https://y.yarn.co/591cf08dfed21e22.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 06:55 PM
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I swear, if I hear "The market has spoken!" one more time...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:34 AM
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Oh, good...I thought it was just me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:32 AM
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nimbly fisked
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:55 PM
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I wonder if having stricter gender-specific behavior standards actually leads to a higher rate of people misrepresenting themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:46 PM
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I keep telling you: we can't just all move to Loserstan—there's no women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:40 PM
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...they would worry as much about bisexual women as they would male friends ...bah gawd, that's Hayley Kiyoko's music!!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:42 AM
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Would have to include former cashiers...no way that's only 2%
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:17 PM
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Agree with the first part, but some definitely prefer masculine/rugged/etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:21 AM
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🤔...Drake? Great point, in any case!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:18 AM
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If they mean the median average, a mere handful of nymphomaniacs could skew the averages that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:15 AM
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It's like the difference 'tween a b*itch and a B
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:16 PM
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Admittedly a sidetrack...but that definition of "good" sounds more Jeremy Bentham/utilitarian to me; wasn't Nietzsche the Will to Power/Noble Ethics guy who wanted to step "beyond good and evil"? (tho tbh, it has been a long time since I read this stuff...}
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:41 AM
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I would love to see this claim tested by Gallup or failing that the next-closest runner up, r/polls
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:27 PM
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I'd argue this is a cultural thing that predates things like that Duke frat scandal—I can personally attest it was like this going as far back as the 90s, and I would guess it's been a strain in our culture for a long time. For no particular reason, I blame the Puritans.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:16 AM
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I'm not even sure that sentence of yours they cited is true, OP: you can find accounts from back then of guys & dolls fretting into their diary about their steady, plus those hilarious romance comics that were clearly written to tap into something. I've never heard the suggestion that men & women at all times haven't felt immense pressure to improve themselves to make them more desirable.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:00 AM
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Both "single" and "reproduce" are terrible proxies for "gets any play." (And the long-past that shows up in our genome isn't particularly likely to reflect our contemporary ways post birth control, womens' lib, white collar work, etc., ...certainly not as a 1:1 map.)
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 11:43 PM
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Think of it as keeping a job that pays by commission--for some personality types, you just realize after a while that you're never gonna be good at sales and you're better off sparing yourself a lot of excruciating embarrassment by staying home and collecting UI. ...which doesn't stop you from wishing you had a job and weren't broke on UI. . -« I just realized this metaphor doesn't really hold together like that. Okay, for purposes of this metaphor, all available jobs are sales jobs; it's a scru…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:15 AM
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I feel sick...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:43 PM
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We need more tradhubbies organizing for single-payer healthcare!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:28 AM
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Was that ever driven in and emphasized to men to the same degree it was to women, tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:56 AM
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Jeez--no wonder so many of you Australian critters choose human flesh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:55 AM
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Wouldn't a 50k salary typically come with a pretty good, low-deductible health plan?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:54 AM
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Sorry, "DT traits?" answered!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:54 AM
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Late to the party, but: very nicely laid out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:05 PM
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This just gives me stillframes from My Cousin Vinnie !
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 05:51 PM
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The kind of theory I come to purplepilldebate for, is what it is!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 09:03 PM
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Some may see it that way, but this valuation is not universally held or unassailably correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:17 AM
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That's a nicely-inflected "quo" you got there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:21 AM
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Well put, normie
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:16 AM
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The conflicted or moderate center is almost always the quietest, regardless of the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 01:12 AM
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Oh, apologies; that was my muddled writing—I wrote that part bc I was worried that someone might misinterpret me as saying that any sort of dedicated resources for homeless women is unfair/sexist. tl;dr – Sorry; didn't mean it as a rejoinder—was just happy to have an excuse to get a quick rant in.🤙
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 03:55 AM
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...y'know, now that I've done it, I miss the comforting support ŏ︵ŏ
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 03:41 AM
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u|JumboJetz has a good take along similar lines further down the scroll.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 11:51 PM
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automoderator really does suck SHHHH!!! ...Quiet—it'll hear you! 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 11:41 PM
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You've definitely hit one of my bugbears; I get that women are more vulnerable on the street and will need additional consideration for that reason, but man is there too much homeless support $$$ being designated exclusively for women when the homeless population is ~3:1 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 11:36 PM
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Tax Viagra and condoms to pay for it!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 11:32 PM
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I always get stuck trying to figure out what signature gesture we could adopt in place of bra-burning
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:24 PM
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As a man you either caused your own success or you caused your downfall Now this is an area where the answer really should start with men—the worst & loudest evangelizers for dog-eat-dog, get-yours societal norms are almost always men (I find)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:11 PM
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Say what??
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:01 PM
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They're right that it's gotten more intense, though--time was, the rule of thumb that "you shouldn't spend more than 30% of your income on rent" used to not be an entirely silly thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:39 PM
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Hmm...I'd call that "introverted"...but I'm no expert. If anyone scrolling through thinks they know the answer, I'll...probably be asleep. But I'll thank you in the morning
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:05 AM
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shy & confident ...okay, hang on: how are you defining 'shy,' as distinct from 'quiet' or "introverted'?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:50 AM
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I dunno, man; I can't call it. I think I'd agree that there's probably more men in the situation you describe than women, but I wouldn't want to extrapolate from that down to an individual's experience
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:09 PM
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This is definitely relatable across genders—maybe I'll link to this the next time I feel someone's exaggerating the differences between men's & women's experiences looking for partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:47 PM
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Only nine times as often, you air-breathing necrophobe!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:47 PM
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An oldie, but...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:21 AM
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Depends...but I thought hers, it was kind of implied
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 01:05 AM
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Disagree as stated—as long as there's unfairness out there and we could do better...well, that's practically what rage is for. What you shouldn't do is become tribal about it, i.e. only have concern for the setbacks for your "group" while being disinterested or scornful of the unfair burdens others are carrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:16 PM
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☝️ ...who wants to tell him...?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:21 AM
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Do you mean in any sort of intentional way, or just as an especially noteworthy example of how people in general will often perceive attractive people more favorably and treat them better in little ways without necessarily realizing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:12 AM
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Forgive my ignorance, but what's "OLD?" Google's just sending me to senior-centric dating sites
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:22 PM
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Does the demand currently exceed the supply on Tinder? (I don't mean that as cheap snark: does nobody on there just wanna cuddle? If so, maybe I oughtta give my chances on that app another try...)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:00 PM
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With alacrity...but for me, that'd be dating up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:47 PM
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userflair don't play.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 04:42 AM
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I'm having trouble telling the difference here between this and the sometimes bittersweet process of figuring out what counts as dating "beneath", "at your level", "a reach" & "way outta your league" as objectively as one's pride will allow
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:34 AM
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I'll add "or at least is perceived that way" for you, but I think you're onto something
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:53 AM
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Off-topic jokes?!? Finally, capsaicin gets to shine!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:05 PM
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Well, I hope it's valid, because it sure bothers me. I like what others have said about needing a purpose to motivate you, and a partner/family obviously serve that role for a lot of people. Without that, you have to turn that drive somewhere, just like the libido, and just like the libido, this can get warped into all kinds of weird, unproductive new forms, from (sorry to be morbid) kids who bring guns to school, to workaholics, to folks who get weirdly, creepily interested in politics but only…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 06:52 AM
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Can I pop in to recommend Kubrick's Spartacus as well, if you're into both late-republic/early-imperial Roman history and 1960s American cinema?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 06:33 AM
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Maybe...but easy enough to get attached to it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 06:28 AM
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That's fair...I meant more like fearless, as in unafraid to put themselves out there, to help, give, do good, etc. with the expectation that it'll balance out in the end. Y'see my overall point, though?--people flourish and spoil in all kinds of circumstances good and bad, very largely unpredictably.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 09:23 AM
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I don't think so, or at least it's a chaotic thing (in the mathematical sense, where small changes can have huge butterfly effects and you don't necessarily get closer to the true answer as you accrue data). You can also get circumstances where being well-received due to looks can leave someone with a naturally positive and generous nature whereas the reverse may leave you with a pessimistic outlook resulting in being more selfish and less giving/caring for purely defensive reasons. And (obligat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 02:15 AM
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...so are the friends you made along the way, presumably
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 07:40 AM
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As far as hypergamy concerns marriage, I'm not one to say, but I've known some women who like to play the field a bit, and while I'm not a dating guru--far from it--I get the sense that "settling for what's available" is something men and women both lament but endure, if perhaps in different ways and extents. I'm gonna swing twice at my own pitch here, if you don't mind: if this is the kind of thing that interests you, I'd strongly recommend checking libraries & used bookstores* for Y--not becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 10:11 AM
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My first reaction: I feel like it'd be hard to imagine this working even as a hypothetical: how would (straight) men have the kind of easy sex access you're talking about without women constantly having to provide it? If you assume a disparity in level of desire, I want to say that basic supply/demand forces would make this drastically unstable almost immediately. ...but actually, come to think of it, a war or virus or something that drastically cut the number of men relative to women might have…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 06:36 AM
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This seems #notallmen-worthy enough to point out that we don't think with a hivemind
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 05:53 AM
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If you're really lucky, she'll win and that eliminates a competitor.
/r/PussyPassDenied31/03/20 06:54 PM
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