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I don't have any hope for the future. The best thing we can do is let society collapse, as the feminists have arranged, and do what we can to ensure that when the men of the future are building the next one, they remember the lessons of this society's failure.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 10:32 AM
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Very true. They would shy away from being labelled feminist but they clearly are. They even publish those lists of women killed by men like the Guardian.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 10:17 AM
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results in a huge waste of resources due to women dropping out and also working part-time. I'm the UK, over 80% of female GPs work part-time, compared to around 30% of male GPs. Most GPs are female. This means there are fewer appointments, less tax is paid and there's a lower RoI for the state (as it takes hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayer money to train a single doctor).
/r/MensRights07/09/25 10:12 AM
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It's true that prohibition was overwhelmingly driven by women, that many of those women were feminists, and that it was male drinking that they wanted to stop. There was definitely a gender aspect.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 10:05 AM
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The latter
/r/MensRights07/09/25 10:02 AM
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Her feminism is seen as progressive though. Feminists can support thoroughly reactionary principles and still be seen as progressive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 09:32 PM
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There's also the fact that women are less likely to take risks and start businesses. They gravitate towards large employers, the state and areas with high job security. They are far less innovative and more conservative with their ideas. Male-only teams are more effective than mixed or female-only teams. Replacing male workers with female ones harms the economy.
/r/MensRights26/08/25 08:50 PM
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Defeating feminism is the only path to egalitarianism because feminism is a bigoted and partisan ideology. You men's lib types are like scientists who believe in creationism.
/r/MensRights26/08/25 08:45 PM
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Society's attitudes towards men are responsible for far more deaths than misogyny. Look at war, addiction, murder, physical assault, homelessness, genocide, slavery, suicide, forced labour, etc. Men are massively overrepresented in these areas because we're a gynocentric species that cares far more for women than men. We even lead significantly shorter lives, but there's no push to improve things. If all these things primarily affected women, we would call them the fruits of misogyny and there w…
/r/MensRights26/08/25 08:40 PM
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I suspect that by "violence" it means unnecessary or criminal violence. If you exclude the violent minority who are responsible for most violent crime, the average man is as violent as the average woman - both will go through their adult lives without assaulting someone or starting a fight. There's a social factor at play here too. If my family is threatened, I'm going to be the one to face the threat, not my wife or sister. I'm also more likely to be targeted by the violent minority.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/25 09:44 AM
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They caught actual crimes by simply being out in public. The only time I see police officers in the UK is when they drive past. If there were more foot patrols by plainclothes officers, far more crimes would be detected. But apparently only concern for women being subjected to non-crimes will get police out on the beat. It's strange how they're never around at chucking-out time on Friday and Saturday nights, when violent offences soar.
/r/MensRights23/08/25 04:34 PM
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I found this fascinating, though I think she downplayed the degree to which men are also targeted by female competition these days. We're in direct competition at work, in clubs, in education and everywhere else. Most men are completely defenceless against the strategies used and probably aren't even aware of what's happening. I also suspect that she overemphasises the aim of preventing reproduction in female competition. There are no doubt other equally strong objectives, such as gaining access…
/r/MensRights23/08/25 04:24 PM
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Why did the birth rate plummet though? Did those other factors change? Were none of them affected by feminism and the change in gender roles that feminists demanded?
/r/MensRights23/08/25 03:18 PM
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They spend hundreds of millions to acquire IPs that have an existing audience, then they go out of their way to alienate the fan base. I understand broadening the appeal, but to completely change everything then say "this wasn't made for you" is just bizarre. It's like they don't want to make money.
/r/MensRights23/08/25 03:06 PM
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I know this is the USA, but in the UK the police are known to withhold exonerating evidence in rape trials. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/07/police-withheld-evidence-making-rape-conviction-unsafe-says-uk-court-of-appeal-andrew-malkinson
/r/MensRights22/08/25 11:21 AM
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In my primary school, boys were often smacked on the legs with a ruler in front of the whole school by the headmistress. It happened to me after I was caught speaking during assembly. In my seven years at the school no girls were punished the same way, despite many breaking the same rules. I don't remember it being particularly painful but it was extremely humiliating, and I think that was the point. That was the mid-80s. I doubt there's as much corporal punishment nowadays but otherwise I suspe…
/r/MensRights22/08/25 11:06 AM
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Nobody in Europe do that except Muslims for religious purpose That's not true. Do not make the mistake of thinking that MGM is purely a religious issue, affecting just Jews and Moslems. In all Anglophone countries the majority of the mutilated are not Jewish or Moslem. In the UK about 18% of adult males are circumcised compared with about 5% who are Jewish or Muslim. Circumcision is reputed to be more common amongst the highest socioeconomic classes. British royalty has a tradition of circumcisi…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 09:21 AM
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And an ugly one at that. Can't be responsible for that disgusting "male gaze".
/r/MensRights19/08/25 09:16 AM
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Bond's father was Scottish, according to Fleming.
/r/MensRights19/08/25 09:14 AM
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Yes, because having a totally mid man having multiple high-status attractive women vying for his love wouldn't be believable.
/r/MensRights19/08/25 09:07 AM
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Yep. Look at Indiana Jones being put in his place by his smug feminist granddaughter.
/r/MensRights19/08/25 09:04 AM
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The problem is that feminists are constantly telling women that the opposite is true: that they are at-risk victims, society is stacked against them, and men are their enemies. They can't appreciate how good they have it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 09:01 AM
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For an anthropologist, he has a very poor understanding of how humans evolve. A large part of it is through women choosing from a pool of more variable males. Without that progress, you get stagnation. Also, a good scientist would take a non-judgemental position on violence, seeing it as an adaptive behaviour. Without violence, we wouldn't be human. There are no non-violent primates and probably no non-violent mammals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 08:58 AM
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People here are saying this would remove a significant role of women, that men would no longer need women, or that it would even out the genders in some way, but I have to disagree. This would be a boon to feminists and a setback for men. Currently the West is undergoing an existential population collapse. It's often masked by high levels of immigration, but it's happening and its effects are being felt. Arguably the root causes of this are the changes in gender roles, the availability of effect…
/r/MensRights18/08/25 12:12 PM
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It would be a fucking nightmare for those men. Yes, they'd have their pick of women, but Western society is already too feminised. It would be a total matriarchy.
/r/MensRights18/08/25 11:16 AM
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If they're consenting adults, I couldn't care less.
/r/MensRights18/08/25 11:12 AM
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you people want women to stop viewing men as predators but you don't actually want to stop men from BEING predators Imagine if a black person said she was fed up with being stopped by the police or treated with suspicion whenever she went into a shop. Would your response be "you want people to stop viewing blacks as criminals but you don't actually want to stop blacks from BEING criminals"? OP has given no indication that he's in favour of sexual abuse and unless he's a cop, he's in no position …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/25 11:07 AM
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I suspect your experience is far less common than the OP's.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/25 10:56 AM
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"I don't wear revealing clothes for men. I wear them for myself." That's some more bullshit in the same vein. There may be some degree of intrasexual competition involved when women show off their bodies, but even then the ultimate driver is showcasing their physical features in order to be attractive to men. After all, why does dressing attractively take this sexualised form, rather than wearing a niqab or a loose smock? Ultimately it all comes down to a woman making herself as appealing as pos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/25 10:54 AM
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I've always considered myself left wing and liberal (which are two different positions), but I find myself increasingly suspicious of all ideologies and their tendency to characterise everything as a system. It was feminism that caused this change in me. When you learn about feminism, you quickly see what a hotchpotch of psychological projection, conspiracy theories, invalid metaphors and outright lies it all is. It's laughably threadbare as an intellectual movement, and yet hundreds of millions…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/25 10:47 AM
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A lot of female MRAs are fromer feminists, which I think proves your point. Having children is often the point at which they realise they've been sold a lie. The feminist backlash forces some of them to go public with their views.
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:54 AM
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Nonsense. Many cases involve the removal of the clitoral hood (type 1a), which is directly analogous to male circumcision, being the removal of the exact same tissue. Do it to a girl and you'll spend a decade in prison. Do it to a boy and there won't even be an investigation.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 09:56 AM
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Lying in court isn't a crime in itself? Surely that's the case everywhere.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 09:47 AM
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It's another symptom of gynocentrism. Women are automatically women and must be given respect for being so. Men must earn their status as men and any respect they may receive is contingent on their continued good behaviour.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 09:44 AM
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It's strange how he turns black after everyone starts cheering.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 10:49 AM
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This won't have any positive effects. All it does it convince women that they are in danger, that society is misogynistic and that men are their enemies. The small minority of men who catcall will keep catcalling when this extremely limited programme ends.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 10:43 AM
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If my experience of British female police officers is anything to go by, they'll act extremely aggressively, misrepresent the law, harass a law-abiding person, unlawfully demand their identity documents, falsely accuse them of a public order offence, and escalate the situation by drawing weapons when they can't back up their threats in any other way. The state of policing here is poor generally but female officers are particularly insecure and aggressive.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 10:41 AM
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That's an argument for having police on the beat, not for having officers going for a run and policing non-illegal behaviour.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 10:35 AM
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"Both sides" after one side has been doing the thing for years in high volumes and the other side attempts a weak retaliation... But what else would you expect from an organisation that has 70% female leadership, and which channels increasing amounts of revenue away from men's health and towards the promotion of "positive masculinity"? https://substack.com/home/post/p-169902316
/r/MensRights13/08/25 10:26 AM
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The only major disagreement I have with him is over circumcision. He thinks it's fine for parents to choose to have their sons circumcised for any given reason. I couldn't disagree more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/25 09:19 AM
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It's impossible to be a feminist and accept male disadvantage or female advantage, even in a limited way. It completely contradicts the most essential tenet of feminism - namely that women are oppressed by men. They would have to renounce their faith entirely. It would be like a Catholic rejectioning the holy trinity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/25 09:17 AM
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My worst experience with a doctor was with a female one. She managed to be belittling and dismissive while giving me the results of a scan for a brain tumour (thankfully negative). She just had to tell me the good news but instead decided to accuse me of wasting medical resources. On the whole though, I find doctors to all be generally the same: uninterested and keen to see the back of you.
/r/MensRights09/08/25 12:44 PM
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The BBC is a feminist institution. The government wouldn't accept a communist, fascist or Islamist BBC, but a feminist one is apparently fine.
/r/MensRights08/08/25 10:28 AM
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It's hilarious that she claimed men are the more emotional sex while throwing a tantrum, then blocked replies and stormed off! The replies were all perfectly civilised and helpful too. I really do believe that overall the hated manosphere is far gentler, more pluralist, more open-minded, more rational and less hateful than feminist spaces. It's probably why we don't get anywhere.
/r/MensRights07/08/25 10:46 AM
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Isn't it strange how these accusations of growing misogyny are never based on high-quality studies but always anecdotes and low-quality female-only surveys? We've had the same thing in the UK, based on a survey of just 200 female teachers with no controls or definitions of what constitutes misogyny. It honestly feels like the WMD propaganda in the build-up to the Iraq war in 2003 - manufactured, ideologically inspired, self-serving and entirely untrue.
/r/MensRights06/08/25 09:16 AM
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Strange how she doesn't mention female teachers marking boys below girls for the same quality of work or punishing them more for the same behaviour or all of the pro-female anti-male messaging they receive at school, at home and online.
/r/MensRights06/08/25 09:10 AM
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It's metoo all over again - a power play using female competition strategies.
/r/MensRights06/08/25 08:57 AM
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It depends on whether men are happy to take on those roles. I don't mind doing those things for my wife because frankly she would be useless at them.
/r/MensRights05/08/25 09:15 PM
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I hate the way the manosphere is defined as misogynistic and anything male-centred is then included as part of it. Even the name is deliberately provoking.
/r/MensRights05/08/25 09:12 PM
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I would say #2 after Australia.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 12:14 PM
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But not the Welsh and Northern Irish? And we didn't leave Europe but rather the EU (which I regret). There are plenty of mad feminists on the continent anyway. Look at Italy.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 12:13 PM
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Men do far more "emotional labour" than women. This crap does hint at something important though: whenever women come up with some anti-male nonsense concept, it's instantly adopted by the culture and unquestioningly treated as though it's true.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 12:09 PM
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Chad Ballberry? No
/r/MensRights02/08/25 09:50 PM
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Absolutely. The patriarchy and systematic oppression and abuse that they project onto men would become real.
/r/MensRights02/08/25 12:13 PM
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the question is always "why is society doing that to women" Which effectively means "why are men doing that to women"...
/r/MensRights01/08/25 10:28 AM
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The supposed legal and financial privileges of men from the medieval era onwards have been massively overstated by feminists, and largely result from a misinterpretation of English law and the language it used. Women overwhelmingly had the same rights as men. There's a great book written by a female scholar that goes into all this in depth but for the life of me I can't remember the title. Anyone? The patriarchy narrative also ignores the many uncodified privileges of women: their relative freed…
/r/MensRights01/08/25 10:21 AM
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Yeah, that framing will definitely work...
/r/MensRights01/08/25 08:50 AM
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I appreciate your approach here, as I can see that you're trying to be humane, even-handed and reasonable. However, I think it's a naive approach. In general, women have always and will always be fearful. They will always project their thoughts onto men, whom they don't understand. They will always value equity over truth and perspective over reason. Both men and women will always be biased towards women. We will always live in a gynocentric society. Women's power will always be used to aid wome…
/r/MensRights31/07/25 10:09 AM
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Why do companies produce things? To meet demand from consumers. Yes, they try their hardest to boost demand, but ultimately we are responsible for what companies produce. If we stopped buying, they would stop producing.
/r/MensRights31/07/25 09:44 AM
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Another excellent piece. Thanks!
/r/MensRights30/07/25 03:16 PM
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[Feminist] groups, while always being about sex, power and control...
/r/MensRights30/07/25 03:14 PM
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In the UK, we often hear how afraid women are of men, but that doesn't seem to stop them acting in ways that would be punished with violence if done by a man. Many of them are downright aggressive and if anything seem complacent about safety.
/r/MensRights30/07/25 03:11 PM
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This is the country that's bringing in a really badly conceived femicide law. Incidentally, it also has a female prime minister.
/r/MensRights30/07/25 03:07 PM
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No. Femicide is when a woman is killed for being a woman - if she had been a man, she wouldn't have been killed. The woman's sex has to motivate the killing. So the Italian legal definition is as follows: Whoever causes the death of a woman, when the act is committed as an act of discrimination or hatred toward the injured party because she is a woman, or is a consequence of her refusal to establish or maintain an emotional relationship [relazione affettiva], or of submitting to a condition of s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/25 03:02 PM
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The BBC is a feminist organisation. I refuse to fund it or give it clicks. It's dying anyway.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 12:29 PM
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It can't regrow. What's left can be stretched, but much of the most sensitive material is lost, and it will never be the same as being intact. It's not possible for everyone, and stretching can also have negative outcomes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 12:20 PM
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Resentment is the word I would use.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 12:18 PM
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Females had expected males to show a bias towards males, but that was not the case. And that is the flawed assumption behind the patriarchy concept and so much of feminist thinking: it's all a projection of women's own psychology. It's how they would behave if they had power - it's how they actually behave now when they have power. They hire and promote other women over men, believe other women over men, punish and criticise men more harshly than women, etc. The fairer sex is the unfairer sex.
/r/MensRights27/07/25 11:01 AM
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I don't believe in the concept of patriarchy as it's commonly used, but I suspect that systems of male public power are sustainable because they are fairer and more rational, while also being harsher on those who would fundamentally undermine the system. We're a gynocentric species and when women hold power - or when anyone holds power in a feminised society - women receive better treatment at the cost of men and the balance of power, status and responsibilities is lost. Men in power are much fa…
/r/MensRights27/07/25 10:41 AM
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When it comes to cognitive ability or personality traits there are basically no differences and even for those few which can be detected there is evidence that those are more culturally driven then biological That's not true. https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3149680/#:~:text=Women%20tend%20to%20score%20higher,et%20al.%2C%202001) Men are also much more variable in their personality and cognitive traits.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/25 10:30 AM
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They can now kill unborn babies up until the day of birth with no punishment. I'm not joking: https://share.google/cBlY1giChlsG9EIND
/r/MensRights26/07/25 11:04 PM
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Rise above revenge for now. Read the employee handbook cover to cover and read up on employment law. Record all conversations with HR. Only accept emails about this matter, not phone calls. If you are part of a union, get their representative into any meetings. If not, get a manager you trust to sit in with you. Be aware that HR will fuck you over if you let them. Explain what happened calmly and concisely. State what your intention was. Refuse to be comment on how the accuser may have felt or w…
/r/MensRights24/07/25 09:40 AM
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What kind of bra has a strap on the chest? Isn't it more likely to be on her shoulder or back?
/r/MensRights24/07/25 09:26 AM
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Yep. Criminals tend to get more severe sentences when victims are female.
/r/MensRights24/07/25 09:22 AM
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Men don't need to be emotional. We don't need to become like women. We aren't broken and don't need fixing. Stoicism is virtuous and the world needs more of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/25 09:21 AM
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Exactly. If Tate didn't exist, feminists would have to invent him. Just like they invented the patriarchy. I can't excuse his real-world behaviour, but some feminists say far more offensive things than he does. I don't recall him arguing for the genocide of all women, for example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/25 09:19 AM
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I think that for a lot of young men, gaming is their only source of cameraderie and competition now that they're no longer available at school or in the male-only spaces that have been closed down or infiltrated. OF COURSE some feminists want to change that.
/r/MensRights23/07/25 08:07 PM
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It depends. Generally fine, though female-dominated workplaces in the UK are back-stabbing, unproductive and unpleasant. Overall, male-dominated spaces are more relaxed, freer and happier.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 12:09 PM
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The vast majority of offices
/r/MensRights21/07/25 12:04 PM
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The main issue is that feminism is incompatible with equality of the sexes. It has never been what it claims to be and it has always harmed men.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 12:01 PM
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Feminists saying shit is weak as fuck, sorry. Post a source GTFO.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 11:50 AM
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Do you have some examples for each group?
/r/MensRights20/07/25 12:02 PM
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I strongly suspect that women tend to hire and promote other women over men, while men are more likely to hire based on merit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/25 09:44 AM
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There have been similar studies in the US and UK.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/25 09:37 AM
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It's because men's issues never get high-level attention. We've had politicians suggest delusional policies like closing women's prisons and male curfews in order to pander to women, but no politician is willing to make the murder of men and the mutilation of boys policy issues. Women get SO MUCH attention these days and men get SO LITTLE. So when we say "What about men?" on a NYT or Guardian article about violence against women, ask yourself where the articles about violence against men are, an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 09:54 AM
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No. We can't make sweeping social changes based on people's feelings or perceptions. That's to play standpoint feminism's game and we've been doing it for decades. We have to make changes based on facts and data. As an example, Western women seem to be more afraid of violence than ever these days. However, they are actually safer than ever before and are much safer than men. We should be appealing to their rational side and educating them about reality rather than accepting their framing. Indulg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 09:44 AM
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It's not if feminists' core rationale for action is because they suffer more than men. Refuting their claim of extraordinary suffering refutes their argument for action. Note that feminists rarely argue for specific changes in the name of equality any more. If you read closely, you'll notice that they nearly always argue in the name of victimisation and suffering.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 09:36 AM
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Who is pushing babies on people? Taking away abortion isn't forcing women to have babies. It's allowing a natural process to continue. If the state were forcing women to have abortions, that would be a contravention of bodily autonomy. Other examples include conscription and infant circumcision. Not allowing abortions isn't a contravention of bodily autonomy though according to your viewpoint it might be illiberal. And I'm in favour of voluntary abortion, within certain bounds.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 09:30 AM
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They don't want us in their movement. They don't need us in their movement. In fact, they need us to be an enemy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 09:18 AM
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There are two types of feminists. The first group are people who call themselves feminists without doing any reading or having any actual knowledge of feminist principles. They just go along with the zeitgeist because they think they're being kind or fair. The second group are the real feminists. They've read the books and done the work and they still believe obviously untrue, extreme things about men, women, history and society. r/askfeminists belongs to the second group. It's the face of real …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 09:04 AM
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And yet some women frequently blame "patriarchal" beauty, behaviour and body standards for why they aren't considered attractive, even though those standards are generally set by women. The hypocrisy is astounding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 08:14 AM
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Online bullying and misogyny are very often perpetrated by women and girls, too. The standards that women are subjected to are created by other women and the policing is done by other women. Of course, they blame the "patriarchy", i.e. men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 08:06 AM
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Alimony is an anachronism in a world of liberalised divorce laws. When the divorce rate stands at 30-50% of marriages in the developed world, a marriage shouldn't be expected to last for life. In such a situation, alimony makes no sense.
/r/MensRights10/07/25 08:01 AM
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We hear constantly how women are living in fear of men, but I regularly experience women who act aggressively and provokingly towards unknown men, apparently in complete confidence of their safety and a lack of consequences. In practice, women act like they're safer than ever, which is of course the case, while claiming to be in greater danger than ever.
/r/MensRights10/07/25 07:51 AM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html
/r/MensRights08/07/25 12:50 PM
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Exactly. Degree inflation is caused solely by female students doing junk degrees.
/r/MensRights08/07/25 10:23 AM
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The issue currently is that women can choose whether to work or not - they can very often be supported by the state or a man instead. Those who do choose to work spend longer in education, retire earlier and work fewer hours than men. Men are still a net benefit to the state while women are a net cost. Then you have degree inflation, the decrease in the value of labour, increased competition for jobs, increased house prices, and hiring and promotion biases against men, due to women preferring fe…
/r/MensRights08/07/25 10:01 AM
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Dunno. Feminists have made abortion an issue in the UK by pushing a bill to allow women to abort healthy babies at any time up until birth without legal consequences. That bill is now law.
/r/MensRights08/07/25 09:46 AM
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Feminism has helped reduce harm caused by men to women Source? It seems like men have done that. Are MRAs then responsible for the rise in cases of female perpetration?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/25 09:37 AM
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There's nothing to refute. If the authors believe that rape culture exists, they need to prove it. It's their assertion to substantiate. In fact, it's not possible to create a coherent, falsifiable hypothesis of what a rape culture would look because the concept isn't meant to describe reality. It's a polemical tool for furthering certain aims, like all concepts in feminism. Unfortunately, using esoteric words, couching your argument in a grab-bag of social sciences concepts and publishing it in…
/r/MensRights07/07/25 08:00 PM
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The "patriarchy" is such obvious unfalsiable nonsense, bordering on a conspiracy theory. It's also a prime example of women projecting their psychology onto men. Men do not work together to benefit men as a class - that's what women do. Men don't even see themselves as a group, and mostly compete against each other. If you think the patriarchy is real, prove it. Provide a detailed definition of it, then make predictions for it and test those predictions. You can't, because the patriarchy isn't a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/25 03:55 PM
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Especially on social media or the Internet. Almost everything said on social media is done to provoke a reaction or for social validation. All that man vs bear shit is a perfect example.
/r/MensRights06/07/25 10:35 AM
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I know this sounds really bad, but a significant minority of women - in many ways the smartest and most influential of them - wouldn't accept empirical reality as a basis for action. Your approach is of course correct, but you're seeing things as a man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/25 06:27 PM
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There have always been gender roles and there always will be. Men can't gestate and nurse babies, and women can't endure harsh physical and psychological conditions the way men can. Gender roles evolved as much as the human brain or foot did, and are at least as important to our survival. We're fifty years from the sexual revolution and every single developed society is collapsing demographically. Gender roles don't have to be as rigid as they were in the past, but for a society to be sustainabl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/25 06:24 PM
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Genuine question: do the people who create such signs think they will really work? Because if they don't, something much more morally ambiguous is going on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/25 06:15 PM
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I'm not sure that's true, but porn does seem to be one of the new fronts in feminists' never-ending battle to immiserate men.
/r/MensRights01/07/25 05:55 PM
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This is one of the purposes of patriarchy theory. It boosts women's achievements in light of their "oppression" and minimises men's achievements because they're "privileged". Psychologically it's a very rewarding thing for women to believe.
/r/MensRights01/07/25 05:48 PM
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Women were asked: “In the last 12 months, have any of the following behaviours happened to a woman/girl that you personally know … or have you heard or seen them happening to any woman/girl … (in your daily life) … domestic abuse, sexual harassment, sexual violence, stalking, taking/sharing intimate images without consent.” It's so broad and open to interpretation as to be meaningless. Of course, the usual harridans on the UK subs have jumped on it as evidence of how awful men are, despite it me…
/r/MensRights01/07/25 04:01 PM
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The aim of the Progressive Masculinity workshops is not to judge boys for their thoughts and views, nor to tell them what they should think. What Phil does is gently push back on unhelpful rhetoric and models of masculinity by showing the boys how they don't align with their own values. Hmm. Sounds a bit like Phil is telling the boys what to think. I appreciate what he's trying to do - and he's doing more than I am - but talking and classifying different types of masculinity isn't going to chang…
/r/MensRights01/07/25 03:48 PM
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Ah yes, but then it's due to "internalised misogyny", which is due to the "patriarchy", which means it is actually the fault of men!
/r/MensRights01/07/25 12:01 PM
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The thing is, patriarchy simply isn't consistent with gynocentrism, which is among other things a part of our psychology. We have always been a gynocentric species, and I'm yet to learn about a society that actually oppressed women: enslaved them as a group, treated them as chattel property, bred them against their will, limited their freedoms without attendant privileges, etc. Any society that doesn't put women at the centre, pamper them and allow them to create and raise children while priorit…
/r/MensRights01/07/25 11:57 AM
1

Modern times no longer has much needs for the roles Given current fertility rates in countries that have accepted the change in gender roles (virtually every developed and middle-income country), I would say the need is still there. Due to gender roles, populations were stable or growing for the last 200,000 years. Now they would collapse without immigration.
/r/MensRights01/07/25 11:47 AM
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They mean us. We are the evil, misogynistic manosphere.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 09:03 PM
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The way women compete and bully - verbally, using psychological tactics, using ostracisation, spreading gossip, forming exclusive cliques - is perfectly suited to the internet and social media. Men's more physical and straightforward methods simply don't work digitally. I feel like social media has become significantly more female over the last ten years, and that's why it's become so divisive and bitchy. Reddit seems to have reached that 30-40% female share at which point it becomes a female sp…
/r/MensRights30/06/25 09:01 PM
6

She was such a natural fit as showrunner for Amazon's Tomb Raider show. Wonder why it was cancelled, lol.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 12:55 PM
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The vast majority of massacres throughout history have targeted men and boys. Look at the Rwandan genocide - men dressed up in women's clothes to avoid being targeted. The Srebrenica massacre's victims were all men and boys. About 75% of Holocaust victims were male - a fact that is hard to find and very rarely discussed. In the recent Nigerian massacres, nearly all of the victims are male. Men are regularly killed for being male, and always have been. In stark contrast, women are hardly ever tar…
/r/MensRights30/06/25 10:11 AM
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just that saying “misogyny kills” makes zero sense to me unless you’re in a third world Islamic country under Shariah law Even in those countries, men are killed and imprisoned at much higher rates than women. I can't accept the argument that misogyny is responsible for the murders of women. In contrast to men, women are nearly always killed by someone they know, meaning that they are killed for being a certain person, not for being a certain sex. Men, however, are regularly killed because they …
/r/MensRights30/06/25 10:01 AM
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Of the 16,938 potential victims referred to the NRM [the National Referral Mechanism for modern slavery and human trafficking] in 2022, 78% (13,290) were male and 21% (3,634) were female. This is primarily due to the large number of male victims referred for criminal exploitation and labour exploitation. However, female victims are disproportionately impacted by sexual exploitation. Source: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5804/cmselect/cmhaff/124/report.html Yep, gotta get in the bit abo…
/r/MensRights28/06/25 09:59 PM
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it’s not consistent with a population explosion, nor does it apply to a group that has been constantly attacking the alleged perpetrator nonstop for decades. Neither of those things is germane to the definition of genocide.
/r/MensRights28/06/25 09:48 PM
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She shouldn't, because she's a woman and James Bond is a man.
/r/MensRights28/06/25 09:44 PM
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I hate to say this, but women aren't original thinkers. Neither are the vast majority of men, but the top 1% of men are more original and creative than all women put together. Greater male variability hypothesis or whatever, I just don't see women creating or innovating in the way men do. They are experts at co-opting things men create, admittedly. The only intellectual phenomenon that women have created by themselves is feminism, and it's an unintentional pastiche of an intellectual movement, a…
/r/MensRights28/06/25 09:42 PM
2

As I've got older, I've started to appreciate the cheesy, campy Roger Moore films over all the others. The Craig films take themselves too seriously while lacking any real edge. The cheesy ones have rewatch value and are just fun.
/r/MensRights28/06/25 09:34 PM
2

I often describe feminist change as a ratchet mechanism: it only moves in one direction and without limits. In multiple areas, it's gone too far, but there's no possibility of rowing it back.
/r/MensRights28/06/25 08:33 AM
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Unwin was onto something. It's only immigration that is hiding the collapse of civilisation that feminism has caused. That sounds hyperbolic, but below-replacement birthrates mean that collapse is inevitable unless something changes. And it's not just happening in the West.
/r/MensRights28/06/25 08:10 AM
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What you're describing IS true feminism.
/r/MensRights24/06/25 04:00 PM
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WTF is this? What's the source? Have you created an AI strawman (strawwoman?) in order to enrage people? What's the point of this?
/r/MensRights23/06/25 11:35 PM
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It's because the existence and arguments of the men's rights movement directly contradict feminism and the female victimhood narrative. Feminism is a dominant ideology, so the MRM is easily demonised and cast as something it's a.
/r/MensRights23/06/25 09:06 AM
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There is practically no pushback in the comments You can't have read the comments then. Many people pushed back, including me. And I don't think the original post was hateful anyway, just misguided. The bar for "misogyny" is so incredibly low these days that anything not completely in agreement with feminism is labeled misogynistic.
/r/MensRights23/06/25 09:03 AM
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There is no false dichotomy. In fact, there's no dichotomy at all in my post. The OP said that men will turn to sex robots because they can't get sex from women. I pointed out that men can already get sex from prostitutes. Sex robots wouldn't change a thing. You're the one who brought up relationships. Also, the 80:20 thing isn't based on research. It's just the Pareto principle misapplied. Every man I know is in a relationship with a women.
/r/MensRights23/06/25 09:00 AM
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What does it mean for men to be in leadership? All men? What about the vast majority of men who have no power at all? What happens when a woman is in charge? Do we suddenly live in a matriarchy? The invalid appropriation of the patriarchy concept from anthropology is one of the fatal flaws of the feminist ideology.
/r/MensRights22/06/25 10:20 PM
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Yes, I would agree. I question the value of these definitions though. I'm not sure where they get us. I've said before that I effectively grew up in a matriarchy - if that term is useful. For the first ten years of my life, the head of state and prime minister of my country were both female, all but one of the teachers in my school were female (including the head teacher), and all of my family were female. Virtually every person with influence over me was female. Being told that I grew up in a p…
/r/MensRights22/06/25 10:16 PM
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Give us a definition of the patriarchy to start with. There are so many definitions that are constantly changing, which is of course the point - "the patriarchy" isn't meant to be falsifiable. Instead, it's a tool for psychological comfort, virtue signalling and policy creation. This blogger puts it very well: https://toxicfeminism.blog/2022/09/30/the-patriarchy/. There was a blog post I read that examined a definition of the patriarchy from the early 70s and dismantled it. I'm not sure exactly …
/r/MensRights22/06/25 09:56 PM
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If we accept your reasoning, the abundance of female-headed single-parent families and the fact that most civil servants are women means we live in a matriarchy.
/r/MensRights22/06/25 09:32 PM
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A feminised society is hostile to men. Women have always been the centre of society because they have a unique biological ability to birth and nurse children, making their well-being essential to the continued existence of the species. A man's commitment to a child could be cursory, lasting seconds, but a woman's would last at least nine months. Women were the reason men went out to work and fight, often risking their lives and health so that they could go home to a loving wife and family. In ma…
/r/MensRights22/06/25 05:57 PM
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Male immiseration and failure do seem to be essential components of female advancement.
/r/MensRights22/06/25 10:48 AM
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And there's plenty of examples here and in some 3rd world countries (some of which involves acid) where that has happened. Statistically, very few. It's a fear, not something arrived at rationally. The vast majority of men are used to getting rejected and expect it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/25 10:46 AM
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I'm going to displease some people here, but they both seemed pretty scummy and the fact that one is dead and the other is in prison doesn't bother me at all.
/r/MensRights21/06/25 11:56 PM
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It's true that feminism has a huge issue with class. In some ways, presenting men and women as separate and competing social classes is a way of deflecting from socioeconomic class. Now why would aristocratic women and tenured female professors want to do that? Consider how early aristocratic feminists construed motherhood as unworthy. Of course, they had nannies and governesses to raise their children for them, so they saw raising children as a bothersome and demeaning activity. They promoted w…
/r/MensRights21/06/25 08:44 AM
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If women had truly been oppressed by men throughout history, they would have been our slaves. We would have bred them for our harems. It's obviously not true. Male slaves have been far more common throughout history, and men were far more likely to be conscripted in wars or massacred in genocides. Calling this system patriarchal is absurd. Appropriating the anthropological concept of patriarchy and applying it to the whole of society was invalid, as you say.
/r/MensRights21/06/25 08:35 AM
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The vitriol from feminists is a sign of desperation. They know they're running on empty and that a significant proportion of the population is turning against them.
/r/MensRights21/06/25 08:30 AM
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Prostitutes have existed for thousands of years and yet men still want relationships with women. I don't accept your thesis. If you mean extremely sophisticated robots that can't be told apart from actual women, as in the film Companion, then maybe, but it's not a realistic scenario.
/r/MensRights21/06/25 08:21 AM
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No, you shouldn't abandon your children. JFC. End your relationship with your partner if you must, but stay in your kids' lives. Support and raise them. My father walked out and I've never forgiven him for it. Don't be like that cunt.
/r/MensRights20/06/25 02:00 PM
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The purpose of feminism isn't gender equality. It's privilege without responsibility (for women only), psychological comfort, opportunistic victimhood, social validation, and a basis for legal or social changes that benefit women at the expense of men.
/r/MensRights20/06/25 01:54 PM
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Indeed. Feminism is to gender politics what the far-right is to racial politics.
/r/MensRights20/06/25 01:51 PM
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My MP's Rosie Duffield. I can't see her caring but I'll give it a go!
/r/MensRights20/06/25 01:49 PM
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As ever with feminists, we have to look at the function of the belief or action rather than trying to reveal a meaning or a description of reality. The man vs bear question doesn't reveal anything of any value. It's simply a way of insulting men and of signalling a sense of victimhood and female solidarity. The woman who answers "bear" wants to be part of a trend and show her allegiance to feminist principles, while also bating men to respond. It's a trap and the precursor to a pile-on that rewa…
/r/MensRights19/06/25 09:35 AM
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What increasing violence? Violence is going down. And what murder of a girl by a boy? Knife crime in the UK is nearly always male on male, with a disproportionate amount being black on black. A white boy stabbing a white girl is pretty much the least likely act of knife violence. Why was this scenario chosen? I'd suggest the reaction to the show answers the question: It's much more emotive when a girl is the victim of violence, and a white girl at that. It plays into all the unsubstantiated repo…
/r/MensRights19/06/25 09:23 AM
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The patriarchy concept is obvious nonsense, coming very close to conspiratorial thinking. It's a misappropriation of a concept from anthropology. Applying it to an entire society is invalid because all men in a society are in no way equivalent or similar to the single male head of a household. As you've quite rightly said, it's unnuanced and absurdly simplistic. As with other feminist concepts, the patriarchy isn't necessary to be taken literally. Rather than trying to debate whether it's true o…
/r/MensRights18/06/25 09:08 PM
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We live in a highly competitive and highly atomised society in which the winner takes all. It should come as no surprise that men occupy the highest and lowest positions in such a society, given their greater variability. In terms of well-being as well as metaphorically, women have always been in the centre, hence gynocentrism.
/r/MensRights18/06/25 08:53 PM
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It's a feature rather than a bug. For feminists, male immiseration has always been an important part of female advancement. They want men to be as unhappy as they are.
/r/MensRights18/06/25 08:49 PM
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VAWG is a nonsense category. It doesn't include murder or physical assault, it does include crimes and non-crimes that aren't actually violent, and it even includes human trafficking and modern slavery, 75% of the victims of which are male, in the UK. VAWG is a political tool with ever-changing definitions that is used to stoke anti-male sentiment and privilege women's concerns. It's a classic feminist ploy.
/r/MensRights18/06/25 11:00 AM
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Feminism is an ideology based on psychological projection, bigotry, weaponised gynocentrism, conspiracy theories and inappropriate metaphors. Its tenets are unfalsifiable and designed that way (see "standpoint feminism"). Far from revealing a truth, feminism is a way of gaining benefits for women without the attendant responsibilities, of explaining away their failures by blaming men and society, and boosting their achievements by claiming that they are oppressed and disadvantaged. It's immensel…
/r/MensRights18/06/25 10:42 AM
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Yep. Hypoagency to excuse their failings, hyperagency to boost their achievements, and the opposite of all that for men. With feminism, we should never consider the truth behind the beliefs - there isn't any - and always consider the benefits of having (or voicing) the beliefs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/25 10:22 AM
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Exactly. Engaging with feminists on their own terms is always a trap. Everything they believe in should be discarded and ignored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/25 10:19 AM
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Women, and especially feminists, strongly project their psychology onto men. They assume that we feel and think like they do, and therefore they think they know why we act the way we do. They characterise any male behaviour they dislike in terms of why they would behave the same way. This is highly speculative, but I do sometimes wonder if women, despite being more empathetic, are less open to the possibility of other people thinking and feeling differently to them. This could be due to greater …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/25 10:15 AM
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Jody Simpson and Anthony Smith were both jailed for 10 years in 2018 for torturing their son, Tony Hudgell, who is now 10. A spokesperson for the Parole Board on Wednesday confirmed Simpson was set to be released. Smith was due for automatic release in early September 2022, but his early release was blocked at the time. So the Parole Board blocked the father's early release but allowed the mother's. This is the real "two-tier" justice issue in the UK.
/r/MensRights05/06/25 04:46 PM
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The is is one of the best anti-feminism blogs out there. He really nails it every time.
/r/MensRights05/06/25 09:22 AM
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So much of feminism is women projecting what they think onto the minds of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 09:18 AM
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UK: Feminism has captured many institutions, including education academia, most workplaces, the police and armed forces, and Parliament. The government is now trying to increase female advantage in the criminal justice system and give it a concrete legal basis. They also only care about violence against women and girls. It's a lost cause, perhaps only comparable to Australia.
/r/MensRights04/06/25 10:14 AM
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Maybe, just maybe when you aren’t so desperate to win the victim Olympics because of your irrational fear of being called short you won’t be so lonely. I've been married for 20 years now and have many close friends and family members, but thanks for your concern. Also, it's ironic that you rant irrationally about an "epidemic" of dead women while telling me not to play the victim Olympics. You have no self-awareness - or rationality.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 12:06 PM
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What's interesting to me is how all of these are very wealthy and safe countries, with the possible exception of Tonga. When countries are extremely safe in general, both men and women are equally safe. When countries are more dangerous, men bear the brunt of the marginal increase in risk. Any ideas why that is?
/r/MensRights03/06/25 12:01 PM
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That's exactly it. In trying to generalise and create a system when none exists, feminism falls flat on its face. "The patriarchy" simply makes no sense and there's no evidence for it in the West. It comes off like conspiratorial thinking because it is. If feminists had instead said that men have certain benefits or privileges that women are denied, then perhaps (back in the 60s or whenever) we all would have agreed. But that was too specific for feminists. It didn't allow them to continue their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 11:52 AM
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Quite right. Establishing men and women as separate and unequal social classes is the fundamental error of feminism - that and all the projection.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 11:35 AM
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Because purposely changing gender roles and expectations has worked so well over the past 50+ years...
/r/MensRights02/06/25 11:19 AM
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It's a meaningless study that has a meaningless conclusion. Also, according to this study, r/mensrights is an "openly declared misogynistic" extremist community. Lol
/r/MensRights02/06/25 11:12 AM
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Women's fear of violence is real, though any number of psychological studies will tell us that women are on average more neurotic than men, so more likely to experience negative feelings, all else being equal. However, it seems that feminist organisations - including in my country feminist media organisations like the BBC and the Guardian - actively try to make women and girls feel less safe by emphasising crime committed against them and playing up the risk of violence. Presumably it's in the i…
/r/MensRights02/06/25 10:49 AM
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Do you also victim-blame when women and girls are affected? So for example, is the harm done to the baby girls that Lucy Letby murdered less significant and less worthy of our attention than that of the baby boys she murdered? How about with race? If a black man beats a black woman, does her suffering mean less and does she require less compassion from you because both parties are black? You see men as a class and not as individuals when it suits you in order to maximise every man's culpability …
/r/MensRights02/06/25 10:11 AM
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I think it may be innate, in the same way that violence against women causes more distress than violence against men, in every culture. It could be an extension of that.
/r/MensRights31/05/25 04:42 PM
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In 18th-century America, while women couldn’t work or own property That's not true. Married women couldn't own property, but single women and widows could. Women could work, obviously, but married women couldn't enter into contracts without their husbands' permission. Also, reform of these laws started fairly early in the 18th century. I'm not defending these laws at all, but they weren't as draconian as stated and weren't very often enforced. The rights that men had, as you've noted, were alway…
/r/MensRights31/05/25 04:34 PM
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They just need to adopt social democratic principles and stay out of identity politics. Left wing men will come back. It's that simple.
/r/MensRights30/05/25 01:50 PM
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According to the ABC, which quotes stats from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, last year there were more than 1,580 domestic violence offenders in Tasmania, with 81 per cent of those being male. Based on what - convictions or surveys? Because we know that the number of male victims is severely underreported.
/r/MensRights29/05/25 05:36 PM
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It's always interesting to be told what I should think. I wonder if Gaby Hinsliff tells other groups what to think - Muslims, perhaps, or the homeless. Also, Comment Very Much Isn't Free in opinion pieces like this - the comments section is predictably closed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 10:23 AM
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I've read a number of articles about this and you're right, the policy is supposed to apply to both sexes. However, we know damn well that it is only intended to be used on men, and would only be used on men. That is why so many people find it acceptable. While some medications do reduce a woman's libido, there aren't any that can do the equivalent of prohibiting erections and therefore penetration. The treatments they mention in the articles are always those that target men, never women.
/r/MensRights27/05/25 11:30 AM
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Thank you for that. Women can have many fine qualities, but I feel like social media has become the perfect enabler for some women's worst qualities, like ostracisation, ganging up, bullying, etc. Women are the true masters of psychological (rather than physical) bullying, and with so many people living their lives online, social media can seem like an endless stream of abuse, delusion and negativity. There's really nothing we can do about it except stay offline.
/r/MensRights27/05/25 11:21 AM
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There are a lot of people here saying that women from outside the West are feminine and friendly because they want your money. As someone who's lived in Asia and is married to an Asian woman, I can confirm that there's a lot of that about, especially in the Philippines and Thailand. I would be very wary of women from those countries. There are too many stories of men losing everything - including their lives - because they fell for a woman from those countries. I've known many men who have marri…
/r/MensRights27/05/25 10:59 AM
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It doesn't even work well in theory. The theory is idiotic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/25 10:01 PM
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How far modern feminism has fallen from it's wonderful beginnings Bullshit. It's always been a movement based on bigotry, hypocrisy, projection and female superiority. The anonymous commenter below that poor excuse for an article got it right.
/r/MensRights25/05/25 09:55 PM
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Your meaning?
/r/MensRights24/05/25 01:01 PM
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Very often, men will look outside the West. My four closest friends and I all married non-Western women.
/r/MensRights24/05/25 10:48 AM
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I fully expect to read that in the Guardian.
/r/MensRights24/05/25 09:09 AM
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Bravo!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 09:40 AM
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A much better article: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/taiwan-teacher-who-had-sex-with-primary-school-pupil-and-bore-his-child-to-spend-17-years-in-jail The female teacher was sent to prison, not the boy. She did have the nerve to claim that he had raped her though.
/r/MensRights22/05/25 03:47 PM
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Researchers analysed French consumption data from more than 2,000 car models and food products matched with detailed environmental information to shed light on the “underexplored factor” of how gender might impact carbon emissions. So they only looked at the two areas in which they knew men would have a bigger footprint than women? Nothing about fashion and leisure?
/r/MensRights22/05/25 10:30 AM
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When I outearned my wife, we had a joint bank account. The situation lasted for perhaps 10 years and I was fine with it. When I quit my job to go freelance and my income dropped below hers, she demanded that we have separate accounts "because she needed to protect herself". Suddenly, I was a liability. I love her and we've been married for 20 years now, but there are times when I'm completely shocked by her ruthlessness. And her behaviour's very tame compared to that of some of her friends, who …
/r/MensRights22/05/25 10:20 AM
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I wonder if this is because so many men's spaces and roles have been entered (and often taken over) by women. Some men have differentiated themselves from women in the only way left - hypermasculinisation. So they get jacked on roids, grow massive beards and get into trucks/guns/MMA. It's an attempt to feel male now that the need to protect and provide has diminished, plus women respond to it positively.
/r/MensRights21/05/25 11:22 AM
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No, I won't let some internet stranger redefine who I am. There's nothing wrong with modern masculinity (as far as that word means anything at all). What's wrong is that Western culture has become saturated with man-hating feminism. Our society has always been gynocentric, but now that women are privileged in every - yes, every - aspect of life, the further propagation of feminist principles is completely unacceptable. I agree that the way in which some men have reacted to being squeezed out of …
/r/MensRights19/05/25 02:01 PM
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Thankfully, they know about what feminism was actually about in the beginning. Not whatever modern feminism has turned into. Feminism has always contained strains of hypocrisy, irrationality, dishonesty and bigotry. There's a really good video about it - possibly by Janice Fiamengo.
/r/MensRights19/05/25 01:36 PM
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A case in point: https://www.laweekly.com/women-firefighters-the-gender-boondoggle/
/r/MensRights18/05/25 12:34 PM
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Work will set you free... Ouch. This all stems from feminism's class issue. Many early feminists were upper class, so to them, work meant editing a literary journal or sitting on the board of a charity. Working-class women, who had always worked in one way or another, could had set them straight, had they been asked. Betty Friedan's wiki entry says this: Harry owned a jewelry store in Peoria, and Miriam wrote for the society page of a newspaper when Friedan's father fell ill. Her mother's new li…
/r/MensRights17/05/25 02:52 PM
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The apex fallacy + gynocentrism + projection is about 90% of feminism.
/r/MensRights17/05/25 02:37 PM
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Wait, misandry is bad for men, but misogyny is bad for EVERYONE? Have you even heard of gynocentrism?
/r/MensRights17/05/25 02:32 PM
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No one said to sympathise with him. He may be a terrible person overall and guilty of some terrible crimes, but in his relationship with the prison officer he didn't do anything wrong. However, she broke a number of laws and as a professional in a position of responsibility, she should be punished. Make your comment make sense.
/r/MensRights17/05/25 02:23 PM
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In an effort to rectify this discrepancy and better understand the phenomenon of gendered hate speech, we analyze four openly declared misogynistic and misandric Reddit communities r/mensrights isn't "openly declared misogynistic" though, it's anti-feminist and, well, pro-men's rights. I see very little content on there that is actually misogynistic - reddit simply wouldn't allow it. Anyway, the study is a word salad that says nothing of any interest. If you like, skip to the conclusion and you'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 02:17 PM
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r/mensrights isn't misogynistic though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 02:11 PM
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A social construct does not mean the subject in question is arbitrary or not real, rather, that our understanding of it is socially determined. It also doesn't mean it is real or non-arbitrary. To me, gender is a completely worthless concept and I increasingly have no idea what people mean by masculinity/femininity, even though we're apparently supposed to have an innate understanding of them. Maleness is a concrete category, anchored in biology, while masculinity is a word someone made up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 01:52 PM
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Yep, in Western countries, the vast majority of modern slavery/human trafficking victims are male. In the UK, the figure is 75%. However, trafficking is included in the "violence and women and girls" category.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 01:42 PM
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You're right. Feminism is the water we swim in and we hear about women's issues in the mass media every day. Even if MRAs only talk about issues that affect men, the discourse is still about women 99% of the time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 01:38 PM
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In a way, it IS a Suffering Olympics - feminists created it and have won every medal so far.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 01:26 PM
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The requirement for women to have financial applications co-signed by a man was to prevent women going to debtor's prison - by putting the man in there instead. It was done out of concern for women, but lasted too long.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 01:15 PM
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And yet men do all of those things.
/r/MensRights16/05/25 02:20 PM
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Yep!
/r/MensRights04/05/25 02:15 PM
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It's depressing that even Muslim countries have been infected by feminist dogma (and yes, I know that Turkey is officially secular). There's almost no escape from it. I can't contain my contempt for the notion of 'femicide'. Feminists want privilege even in murder.
/r/MensRights04/05/25 02:11 PM
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This is why the red pill is such a good metaphor for being aware of the reality of gender relations. Once you take it, your view is permanently altered and you start to question everything. It's hard to say whether it's a blessing or a curse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 01:57 PM
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Sexual liberation in the west was a positive movement I'm increasingly thinking that perhaps it wasn't, and that it's responsible for a lot of problems that our society faces. As with other things feminists insisted on and received, it's in line with greater freedom, but hasn't developed with the concomitant level of responsibility required. Women can work - great - but they tend to do the easier jobs and work fewer hours. There's state support for single mothers - great - but the kids lack male…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 01:54 PM
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I often think gynocentrism and a lack of caring about men does far more harm than outright misandry. If I could only banish one, it would be gynocentrism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 01:36 PM
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Feminism is projection It always has been.
/r/MensRights03/05/25 12:16 PM
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For the first 10 years of my life, I lived in a country with a female head of state and a female prime minister. All of my family were female. All of my primary school teachers (bar one) were female, including a headmistress who doled out corporal punishment to eight-year-olds. Virtually all of my authority figures were female, both inside and outside the home. How did I not grow up in a matriarchy? I was brought up entirely by women and became what they unconsciously moulded me to be - an anti-…
/r/MensRights03/05/25 12:12 PM
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You mean progressives, not liberals. Unless you're a proud authoritarian, that is.
/r/MensRights03/05/25 12:01 PM
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In the UK, no medical training or practitioner registration is needed to circumcise boys. The procedure itself doesn't have to be registered, no follow-up care has to be provided and it can be done in a non-medical setting. Literally any adult can do it, and there are many stories of barbers and religious figures botching circumcisions in unsterile conditions. You need to be registered or licensed with a local council to perform acupuncture or pierce ears in the UK, but there's no such requireme…
/r/MensRights28/04/25 10:30 AM
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It happened with The Magic Circle. Woman who tricked her way into men-only Magic Circle finally allowed in And they apologised to her and went to great lengths to track her down, even though she broke their rules at the time.
/r/MensRights28/04/25 10:10 AM
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And the worst thing is: it's their fucking WIVES that have joined. It'll be like home. I love my wife but I wouldn't join a club so that I could spend more time with the person I share a home with.
/r/MensRights27/04/25 08:32 PM
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Another issue that no one wants to talk about is that once women take over a field, they make it bland, derivative and unexciting. See fiction, pop music, film, TV, comedy and academia.
/r/MensRights27/04/25 07:58 PM
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Far more often for men.
/r/MensRights27/04/25 07:48 PM
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No. Feminism is a female supremacy movement, and is necessarily misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/25 07:01 PM
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Wrong. This IS true feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/25 07:00 PM
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I'd be interested to know what your definition of the manosphere is and how we know that it's gaining traction.
/r/MensRights31/03/25 06:09 PM
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I think it makes sense in an educational context. Most of the authority figures are women, boys are more likely to be disciplined or marked down, and I wouldn't be surprised if boys are less likely to be believed. There's also a culture of caring more about girls and protecting them.
/r/MensRights31/03/25 11:27 AM
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There is evidence that women have become more violent over the last several decades. It's very difficult to get an overview of this though, as internet searches always result in articles about violence against women and girls.
/r/MensRights31/03/25 11:12 AM
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It's a stage of realisation. Telling him to snap out of it won't help.
/r/MensRights31/03/25 11:09 AM
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This deemed failure has then been blamed on women and feminism as a whole. I'm not sure who is supposed to have deemed this, but I essentially never see women as a group being blamed for men losing their sense of purpose or feeling disposable. The vast majority of male advocates/MRAs want true equality for men and women, and most of us love women. The blame usually goes on individuals, as well as gynocentrism, feminised institutions and feminism. I think the advancement of women in the workplace…
/r/MensRights31/03/25 10:40 AM
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Masculinity and femininity are meaningless concepts to me. I couldn't talk about my own masculinity or anyone else's - I simply wouldn't be able to find anything to say. I'm sure that 95% of people who use these terms couldn't give you a coherent or useful definition of them. They're very vague, general, hand-wavy, social construct stuff, especially when adjectives are put in front of them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/25 08:18 PM
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That directly contradicts what you said in your OP.
/r/MensRights29/03/25 11:53 PM
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You haven't heard the song? https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/guy-in-finance-song-tiktok
/r/MensRights29/03/25 11:43 PM
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Excellent, thank you. I've written a similar comment above.
/r/MensRights29/03/25 11:36 PM
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In the UK, the majority of medical graduates are women, and have been for many years. In fact, a slim majority of all doctors are women now. Why does that matter? Because in England 87% of female GPs work part time (three days a week or less), compared to only 30% of male GPs. And the proportion of female GPs keeps growing. It's a problem because it's increasingly hard to see a doctor. Being a doctor is one of the few jobs where you can work part time and still make a decent income. That's great…
/r/MensRights29/03/25 11:27 PM
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'Masculinity' is meaningless to me. It refers to a very vague social construct, and adds nothing of worth to 'maleness', 'male' or 'masculine'. If it went away nothing in my life would change except that one attack vector for misandrists would disappear. What does it mean to everyone else?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 03:55 PM
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For feminists, having women show their naked bodies is exploitation for the sake of satisfying base male urges. However, having men show their bodies is empowering for women but harmless for men. Of course, a previous generation of feminists thought that women going naked was empowering and that the patriarchy was trying to oppress them by keeping them clothed. We shouldn't expect logic or consistency.
/r/MensRights27/03/25 11:20 PM
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I think one issue with comparing misandry and misogyny is that claims of misandry often miss the point. Men and boys are more often harmed by apathy than by outright prejudice. It's usually apathy that results in suicide, substance abuse, homelessness, war deaths, poor academic performance, and generally a feeling of being unimportant and disposable. Gynocentrism (or perhaps a relative lack of androcentrism) does far more harm than misandry, and arguably more than misogyny.
/r/MensRights26/03/25 03:07 PM
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Add genocide, massacres and slavery to the list. About 2/3 of Holocaust victims were male, all of the Srebrinica victims were male, the vast majority of the Cambodian and Rwandan genocide victims were male, and so on. (In Rwanda, many men and boys dressed in female clothes to avoid being killed.) This has been the pattern throughout history, from the aftermaths of ancient wars to the very recent massacres in Syria and Nigeria. Some interesting reading about 'gendercide': https://ciaotest.cc.colu…
/r/MensRights26/03/25 12:39 PM
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Yep. Almost every sci-fi, horror or fantasy show/film has a female main character now. If there is a male main character, he has to be undermined or deconstructed in some way (Thor being an excellent example). It makes no sense for a studio to spend millions acquiring IPs with existing male audiences, only to completely subvert expectations and alienate the fanbase by demeaning men and feminising the content. Apparently the showrunner of the new Tomb Raider show is Phoebe Waller-Bridge. I'm sure…
/r/MensRights26/03/25 11:28 AM
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The patriarchy is projection. It's how women, with their in-group bias, would behave if they were men. They think we're all working together to benefit ourselves at the cost of women, rather than competing against each other to benefit our women and children. At least that's how the roles were when they dreamed all this nonsense up. Now everyone's in competition with everyone else.
/r/MensRights24/03/25 07:43 PM
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It's 14 minutes long. Any chance of a summary?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 07:26 PM
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True, but if there is a minister for women, there should be one for men too. Personally I hate splitting issues up based on identity, but if feminism isn't going anywhere, masculinism have to happen. It feels like there's no going back now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 07:25 PM
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Women have never been into STEM though. Fiction used to be dominated by men. Is it really true that men simply lost interest in books? If so, why did it happen at the same exact time that women became dominant in publishing? Also, given that 80% of the readers of fiction are women, why are publishers not trying to attract more male readers? Why are they content to lose out on that income? Is it prejudice or something else? If the situation were reversed, you can bet there would be a major push t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 07:21 PM
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Men are killed at three times the rate.
/r/MensRights23/03/25 07:37 PM
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Strong female characters have all the qualities that we're told are toxic in men: arrogant, violent, entitled, rude, angry...
/r/MensRights22/03/25 10:09 PM
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I often think that nothing short of an existential war will make Western society realise the importance of men and masculine qualities. That's how far gone we are.
/r/MensRights22/03/25 10:07 PM
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As male writers have disappeared from fiction, it's become safe and stagnant. No risks are taken, nothing original is produced and books no longer have a wider cultural impact. Sales are through the floor, too. Publishers know that 80% of the readers of fiction are female, but capturing more male readers isn't even on the agenda. The truth is that when women take over an institution, they usually refuse to share it with men. Feminism has a totalising effect - nothing less than 100% women seems t…
/r/MensRights22/03/25 09:48 PM
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I don't think masculinity exists. It's a weak concept. It's like 'whiteness' in critical race theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/25 09:36 PM
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What’s the Fix?: We’ve gotta hit back—call out every lie, step by step. Stick to what’s real, not their script. Build spots where this gets dismantled, not cheered. Guys, what’s your take—how do we stop this trainwreck? Playing their game isn't the solution, and words/campaigns/politics/ideology are very much their game. I genuinely believe - and I wish this weren't the case, but I think it is - that only an existential war will make Western societies recognise the value of masculine qualities a…
/r/MensRights21/03/25 11:03 PM
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I can think of five possible explanations: 1) Girls are less capable of accepting the consequences of their (bad) actions than boys who commit the same crimes. 2) Girls are less resilient than boys in general. 3) Girls who have serious mental issues are far more likely to be sent to youth prisons than boys who have serious mental issues, all crimes and guilt being equal. 4) Girls' youth prisons are significantly more stressful and harmful to well-being than boys' youth prisons. 5) Girls who comm…
/r/MensRights21/03/25 10:09 PM
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Either we're all equal before the law or we're not. It shouldn't matter if it's expensive to do the right thing - just do it. Society can't very well tell men and boys that they're privileged and living life on easy street and then allow the government to openly discriminate against them. If the converse were the case - 11 such boys in the country - do you really think the government would let them off? They'd probably stick them in an adult prison!
/r/MensRights21/03/25 09:49 PM
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Carol Harrington is essentially saying that feminists shouldn't use the term because it provides a way for men to get away with their 'institutional and structural privileges' by pointing a finger at a (backward and mentally unwell) subset of men. 'Toxic masculinity' apparently allows the patriarchy to disappear from view, making it harder to put all men in their rightful place as the source of all evil and the scourge of civilisation. Benjamin H very rightly points out that the term is used to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/25 09:03 PM
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A core leftist belief is we shouldn’t judge people based on intrinsic characteristics they can’t control This is liberalism, actual liberalism. Feminism and the social justice movement can be quite authoritarian, and in fact tend in that direction generally. The key question to ask is: Does this movement allow and deem valid a wide range of opinions, especially opinions that conflict with the majority consensus? If the answer is 'no', it isn't a liberal movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/25 08:33 PM
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Surely we should first be asking 'Are young men actually being radicalised?' It's far from clear that they are - more than they have historically, anyway. This all plays into the idea of there being a huge problem with misogyny in society or an 'epidemic' of violence against women and girls - despite a total lack of evidence. I think it's a pre-emptive defence against increasing criticism of feminism. As men and boys are increasingly realising that the odds are stacked against them, the more hyp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/25 09:48 AM
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I haven't seen it, but I have read about it. I have to question the timing of this show and the message it sends out. Boys and men are already feeling demonised, there's a great deal of hyperbole about violence towards women and girls around at the moment, and the manosphere/Andrew Tate as an explanation for boys' bad behaviour is hugely overstated. There's always been macho and misogynistic content available - why is it (apparently) popular now? What we really need is a sympathetic and honest l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/25 07:16 PM
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Yep, and the UK is apparently experiencing an 'epidemic' of violence against women and girls (despite men and boys comprising the vast majority of victims). Hyperbole like this makes sensible people turn away.
/r/MensRights18/03/25 07:05 PM
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That's it. And who created this hostile environment for male teachers? It certainly wasn't men.
/r/MensRights18/03/25 12:25 PM
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And comments are pre-moderated to ensure that conflicting opinions and information aren't aired. Comment is free, my arse!
/r/MensRights18/03/25 12:23 PM
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That's the anthropological definition that feminists appropriated and misapplied to all of society. How can a society of men and women, who occupy all levels of the socio-economic hierarchy, and who nearly all lack any meaningful power, be like a family with one man and one woman? It can't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/25 07:07 PM
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the harm that the patriarchy does for both women and men Sorry, I'm not into conspiracy theories, bigotry and unprovable claims. You're effectively asking us to accept an ideology that we (mostly) find harmful to us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/25 07:01 PM
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I think people need to stop policing masculinity, full stop. Before feminists started ranting about masculinity all the time, I'd only heard the term a few times in my life. It's actually quite a vague concept and not very useful. It's like critical race theorists insisting that 'whiteness' exists, despite most white people having no sense of it. Once again, it's projection and a trap.
/r/MensRights16/03/25 06:53 PM
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In what way is masculinity ever toxic? Does it poison the body? No? Then it isn't toxic. This is a meaningless phrase that means 'ways some men behave that I don't like'. It's most often used nowadays to bait and insult men and boys. Anyone who uses it is provoking the very behaviours they claim to condemn.
/r/MensRights16/03/25 06:48 PM
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Remember that objectification is a metaphor, and usually applied in a wildly hyperbolic way. A man eyeing up a woman is not treating her like an object - he's admiring her precisely because she is human. Personally I think it's a concept we can safely ignore with minimal justification.
/r/MensRights16/03/25 06:44 PM
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Yes. Most of feminism is projection. I actually think this is at the root of the whole ideology: feminists think that men see themselves as a class and work together to benefit each other because that's what they (women) do. In reality, of course, men don't have that consciousness and are more often in competition with other men. I do think that the excesses of feminism are starting to provoke a male in-group bias though.
/r/MensRights16/03/25 06:40 PM
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Some feminists have always hated men and spread nonsense about women being oppressed or slaves. This goes right back to the beginning of feminism. It's ALWAYS been there. There's a great video about this on YouTube.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/25 03:12 PM
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Yes, I believe there are studies which show that female political leaders are more hawkish on average than their male peers. And of course, all those historical queens were very fond of warfare.
/r/MensRights11/03/25 03:37 PM
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'Women weren't allowed access to bank accounts or loans.' It's sort of true, in that women needed a male guarantor to do so, but people always elide the reason for this. In mid-nineteenth century England, there was an uproar over women being kept in debtors' prisons, and a campaign was started to keep them out. The new system involved male relatives taking responsibility for women's debts, and receiving any punishments that accrued. Women were no longer sent to debtors' prisons, while men contin…
/r/MensRights11/03/25 03:36 PM
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Funny, I remember Thatcher selling off the social housing stock to buy votes, and making it impossible to replace it, leading to the housing crisis that the UK faces now. Her supply-side policies, privatisation and flogging off the nation's oil and gas reserves provided a one-time boost to the economy that can't ever be repeated. Her ideology gave birth to a generation of neoliberals who believe that we can have high-quality government services while keeping taxes low, which was true only for th…
/r/MensRights11/03/25 03:14 PM
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Men civilised the world to such a degree that they have made themselves obsolete in some ways. We've made it so that women can take on men's roles and provide for themselves, and protection from harm is now the role of the (male-funded) state. The response from modern women has been that they deserved their newly gifted opportunities and power all along, and were only held back by men. These girlboss slayer-queens can achieve anything they set their minds to (as long as indoor plumbing, modern m…
/r/MensRights11/03/25 03:00 PM
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The appropriation of the term 'patriarchy' from anthropology and applying it to society in general was utterly dishonest and disingenuous. A family with one adult male, one adult female and some children is nothing like a society with millions of men, women and children who occupy every level of socio-economic class, with the vast majority of both men and women being powerless. It's simply a terrible metaphor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 12:44 PM
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Many women experience violence just because they are women. As opposed to male counterparts, women who experience violence are far more likely to be assaulted by someone they know rather than by strangers. They are assaulted because they are a certain person, not because of their sex. That's certainly true of domestic violence victims. Men are far more likely to be assaulted because they are male. In massacres, war and genocide, men and boys are much more likely to be targeted than women. Look a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 12:37 PM
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1) It's a nonsense ideology based on misrepresentation, conspiracy theories and generalisations. 2) It's often hateful and bigoted. 3) Feminists lie about what feminism is and what it does. 4) It's entirely unnecessary and is never the best approach to solving women's problems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 11:01 AM
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The people who enabled women's suffrage were all men (politicians) and none of them were feminists. They did it because they knew it was the right thing to do. The ideology of feminism contributed nothing. An earlier generation of those men voted to end slavery but they weren't race activists. Women in my country have always been able to own property. Some of them were the richest people in the country. Feminism was never necessary and if anything held back equality with its extremism. Look at s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 05:07 PM
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I'm not against meritocracy, but arguments for it usually presuppose that everyone is starting from the same position and has the same opportunities. We know that isn't the case. There are lots of deserving people who can't escape their backgrounds. The level of reward for those who succeed in meritocracies also needs to be limited for the sake of society. We used to do that through very high taxes on the rich but over the last 40-50 years that's been abandoned. If the powerful and wealthy procu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 04:48 PM
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A good explainer on neoliberalism: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 02:46 PM
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Feminism has always had issues with class, for sure. It's no surprise early feminists, being mostly aristocratic, disparaged motherhood, as they had nannies and governesses to raise their children. They wanted work opportunities, because for them work meant editing a literary magazine or sitting on the board of a charity. Many of the suffragettes wanted the vote for women of their type, but not working class or ethnic minority women. The tenured feminist professors of the 1970s who condemned wom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 02:29 PM
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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f812ced915d74e622adf5/associations-between-sex-and-sentencing-to-prison.pdf Under similar criminal circumstances the odds of imprisonment for males were higher compared to females. While statistically significant, the 88% increase in the odds of imprisonment for males represented a medium-sized effect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 10:03 AM
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Like most Americans, you've conflated multiple political axes, making it a worthless poll. I'm centre-left and liberal, which is a somewhat contradictory position. By the standards of 15 years ago, I was progressive, but today's progressives would call me reactionary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/25 10:26 AM
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I see just as much policing of masculinity and male roles from the left, and perhaps more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/25 03:34 PM
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The thing is, you can also use this argument with regard to women. It might be argued that there fewer female murderers or rapists, but even so, the risk of meeting a bad woman still exists, therefore all women should be avoided because you don't know which ones are bad. You can extend this completely worthless idea to any group of people at all. If we were to follow this line of thinking to its logical conclusion, we should all stay at home, meet no one, do nothing and have no lives. A more rat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/25 07:00 PM
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More proof that Jessica Taylor is delusional: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/lucy-letby-sentence-psychologist-appeal-fund-b2398474.html as a feminist and psychologist I am struck by the way misogyny and gender roles mean that we struggle to see women as violent or abusive at all This is in reference to the large amount of support for the serial baby murderer Lucy Letby. The fact that she sees this as evidence of misogyny rather than gynocentrism is just baffling. She also says that only 1%…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/25 03:53 PM
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Women benefit more from the state than men do. They are better protected and receive more benefits. It makes perfect sense for them to be left wing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 03:02 PM
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Do you live in Afghanistan? Does anyone here? The UK isn't a patriarchy. No Western state is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 02:59 PM
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Given that women can be very aggressive and have testosterone levels 1/4 to 1/60 the levels of men, I'd say it's not a huge surprise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/25 11:58 AM
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Like virtually all of feminism, it's projection. What she describes is precisely what feminists do to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:12 PM
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Standpoint feminism, perhaps
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:10 PM
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Virtually no women are killed because they are women. For example, women who die as a result of domestic violence are killed because they are certain individuals, not because of their sex. The only real examples of femicide I can think of are the very rare and recent incel killing sprees. I think I can name three. Against that, there are massacres like Srebrinca and Giwa barracks that have occurred throughout history. The ratio is likely 1000:1, men:women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:04 PM
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Exactly. These are issues of actual bodily autonomy, unlike limiting access to abortion. If abortion or pregnancy were being forced on women, that would be an issue of bodily autonomy. But not allowing a medical procedure, or allowing it with some restrictions, isn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 12:04 PM
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Feminists misappropriated the term from anthropology and made a mockery of it. Our society is nothing like a household. How can the millions of men in a society be like the single adult male of a household? They occupy all sorts of positions in our society and most of them are entirely powerless and unprivileged. It's obvious nonsense and has no value as a metaphor or anything else. I can't take anyone who uses the term seriously. Absolute bollocks verging on a conspiracy theory as far as I'm co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/25 09:23 PM
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This sort of reporting can only be compared to the far right in terms of its intent, methods and dishonesty. If you're an EU citizen, please write to your MEP, the European Commission and the European Health and Digital Executive Agency to complain about this misuse of public funds.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 05:40 PM
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As is so often the case with feminists, it's projection. Explaining away men's behaviour in a way favourable to them is projection; womansplaining, if you will.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/25 03:39 PM
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I seem to remember research that found that it was mothers who encouraged sons to behave in ways that would stereotypically be attractive to girls/women, but not the fathers. Ring any bells?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 10:45 PM
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I know this is going to sound conservative, but I'm going to write it anyway. Dissolving gender roles doesn't seem to have made anyone happier, and it also seems to have led to a lower rate of relationship formation and childbirth. Say what you like about traditional gender roles - and there's a lot to criticise - but the system was stable for centuries and it served society, even if it came at a cost to many of the individuals within it, both male and female. As a man, I'm not even sure I want …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 12:46 PM
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Usually when you point out the unfairness of the criticism, you're accused of being unmanly, or of having fragile masculinity or a guilty conscience. Alternatively, your objections will be hand-waved away because they're much less important than the issue they've raised. They've got it all covered. And yes, humiliation is the aim, as well as provoking men to respond intemperately. A lot of feminists in the media are much more concerned with insulting men than making the world a better place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 04:31 PM
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In a statement, a government spokesperson said: "The term 'violence against women and girls' refers to acts of violence or abuse that we know disproportionately affect women and girls. I'd like to take a closer look at the VAWG category. In doing so, I DO NOT want to downplay the great seriousness of the crimes covered or the harm done to victims, which is tragic and inexcusable. However, there's been a lot of focus on the category in the UK lately, with the National Police Chiefs’ Council sayin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 01:05 PM
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Would they blame 'femininity' for the rise in mental health problems among girls? It really is strange how masculinity is treated as some kind of optional, artificial and often harmful construct that men can pick and choose their flavour of, while feminity is seen as natural, positive and essential. It's like we're watching a threat narrative being created in real time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/25 06:26 PM
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One of the concerns that emerged from the controversy in January 2019 was that the theoretical focus of the guidelines too narrowly derived from feminist and intersectional theory. It always amazes me how, despite being one of the dominant ideologies of our age, feminism is in many ways invisible and its tenets are unthinkingly accepted by supposedly sceptical people. I think in part it's because we tend to view women as innocuous and virtuous, and feminism as a natural extension of femininity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/25 09:51 PM
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Female influence is subject to a ratchet effect - it only ever goes in one direction. This is most likely due to gynocentrism, itself due to the female in-group bias and the male out-group bias. I often think that previous generations of men knew how uncontrollable mass female influence was, which is why they didn't allow it to capture institutions. The sex that has a problem with equality... isn't the male one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/25 09:37 PM
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In all honesty, I couldn't care less about diversity as it's currently understood. Diversity of thought is far more important, and it doesn't correlate neatly with diversity of experience, of skin colour or of sex/gender. Abolishing discrimination in hiring and education while maintaining a meritocractic stance should be the key aim. Looking at my industry, publishing, and at academia, both of which are now majority female, it's clear that adding more women to these fields has resulted in increa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/24 08:02 PM
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I don't think I'm progressive any more, at least by the current standards. I'm probably a 2010 progressive, but not a 2024 one. I think a definition of what's meant by the term would be a good idea.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 10:12 PM
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The comment piece is seven years old. I don't know why her association with the Guardian ended, but I very much doubt it was due to the Guardian suddenly caring about Valenti's misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/24 09:59 PM
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"patriarchy has no gender" I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. Surely gender (or sex) is the defining factor of the patriarchy, the one that decides whether a person is a member of the oppressed or privileged class. The patriarchy is such a nebulous, unfalsifiable, ever-changing and fundamentally useless concept. Do feminists really believe the patriarchy is as real as the class system, say? We can measure socio-economic class, join its various institutions, experience it culturally and phy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/24 05:18 PM
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TERFism is just thinly disguised misandry. They couldn't care less about FtM trans people. Also, that list... No true Scotsman, right? Plenty of non-TERF feminists believe that stuff. Best to simply file this under "Shit feminists say" and get on with your day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 03:58 PM
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In order to claim that women are systemically oppressed, feminists appropriated the term "patriarchy" from anthropology, twisting its meaning to suit their purposes. The systemic oppression isn't real, and therefore patriarchy theory isn't either. The dishonest way that the concept is manipulated to mean anything feminists want it to mean is quite infuriating, and betrays their bad faith. Looking objectively at our society reveals not a patriarchy but a socio-economic class system, one in which …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/24 09:26 PM
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That because LLMs simply parrot whatever content they scrape, and feminism is overwhelmingly treated as a positive thing by politicians, academics, the media and society at large. Criticising it is taboo in most parts of Western society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/24 07:29 PM
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Circumcision and the draft are genuine issues of bodily autonomy. Elective abortion isn't - it would be if abortion were being forced on women, but not allowing a disruption to a natural process isn't a matter of autonomy. There are lots of activities, including elective surgeries, that are illegal or subject to limitations. Abortion isn't a special case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/24 07:06 PM
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She was concerned that I wasn't hearing hers and women's fears. There's a serious issue here that's hard to discuss. Women's fears for their personal safety, at least in the West, are massively overblown. It's almost an article of faith among feminists and the media that there's an "epidemic" of violence against women. See the plaudits that Saoirse Ronan received for womansplaining violence to a bunch of men on a chatshow, one of whom had very nearly been murdered by a gang of strangers. Women b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/24 11:04 PM
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And it won't just result in self-hatred, but also hatred of women and even violence. Many researchers believe that the number one cause of violence is humiliation. If you humiliate an entire generation of men from a young age, what might happen? The shaming approach of modern feminists may backfire badly, though the truth is that ending violence against women was never their aim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/24 10:12 PM
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You speak a lot of sense there and I agree with 90% of what you're saying, but are men really so down on other men? both men and women often saying how men are awful, they bring no purpose to the world, and are the cause of almost all the crimes which will go away without them on Earth. Also on how women are more peaceful, disciplined, nurturers etc. Isn't this far, far more common among women than men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/24 10:08 PM
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The money one is interesting. I used to teach English to Japanese businessmen who had been sent abroad by their companies. Their pay generally went straight into their wives' accounts back in Japan and they were given a small stipend to live on. One once told me he was homesick and wanted to watch a Japanese film at the cinema but couldn't afford a ticket. He was a senior marketing executive for a well-known snack manufacturer. They worked very long hours but never complained, despite getting ve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 10:31 PM
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In general the second option sounds much better. 1) Violently bullied, no one cares about you, and blamed for every problem in society 2) You have extra chores, you need to be agreeable, neat and polite, the world owes you a favour and you can behave in terrible ways and get away with it. No one's going for option 1. Let's also not forget that boys are significantly more likely to be infanticide victims than girls in the West, and that it's generally mothers doing the killing. https://www.cdc.go…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 01:52 PM
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Seems like you're treating the men how some people are treating the woman. Get your shit straight.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 12:45 AM
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There are literally hundreds of male YouTubers saying the same thing, but either no one cares or they're instantly dismissed as incels*. *replace with the misandrist insult de jour
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/24 11:06 AM
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"Women are wonderful" isn't spelled out literally. It simply embues everything feminists do and say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 10:33 AM
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So a patriarchy is a set of attitudes and has nothing to do with power? If so, why is it harmful or oppressive, and why is it your business to try to change it, especially if it "worked"? Most feminists would disagree with you about the definition, by the way. It's very hard to argue against patriarchy theory because it's so many things, and feminists will simply switch definition when it suits them. Patriarchy theory isn't consistent, testable or evidenced. It's just a social sciences theory li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 10:31 AM
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But when you bring up facts like these, feminists will simply twist the ever-pliable definition of "patriarchy" to mean something unverifiable. That's the purpose of standpoint feminism - their experience and opinions are reality, and facts are simply male ways of understanding knowledge. It truly is a conspiracy theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 10:09 AM
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Yep, and the OP has let the mask slip in a couple of places. You can't trust a feminist any more than you can trust a fascist (not that the two are equivalent).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 10:04 AM
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It's your side that's at fault. Your side invented the oppressor/oppressed dynamic, invented the patriarchy, invented the endless slurs against ordinary men. The men's rights movement is a reaction to feminism and its intended and unintended consequences, and nothing more. Look within.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 10:00 AM
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You think that gender equality can't be achieved because of hypocrisy that comes from men steamrolling you with whataboutism? If that word salad means what I think it does, you're the problem. You say you are egalitarian, but you won't listen to men when issues affect them. You've revealed your true colours here - you think egalitarianism is about improving the lives of women, but not men. That's why you're a feminist. Feminism is the fount of hypocrisy in the modern West. Women here are in many…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 09:57 AM
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I'm responding to the generalisations in the article, which I've heard many times and am thoroughly sick of. It's all part of the feminist trend of treating men like defective women. And there are real psychological and emotional differences between men and women ON AVERAGE which stem from biology. Well done for purposely misunderstanding my point. but is writing not a masculine trait, lol? Actually, I'm a writer and editor by profession, but that's a nice strawman you've invented. While you may…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 05:05 PM
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I'm sorry to say it, but there are numerous ways in which this author doesn't understand what it is to be a man. We aren't broken women. Our masculinity isn't a problem that needs fixing. We don't want to journal, get counselling or get in touch with emotions we don't have. We feel loneliness less keenly than women and we don't need all the touchy-feely stuff in order to feel appreciated. Just being remembered and included in social situations is often enough. (Edit: And sometimes, not being ins…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 02:56 PM
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I don't understand the need for "vulnerable categories". Hating strangers for their essential characteristics should be enough. This "power imbalance" shit needs to end. It's manifestly stupid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/24 07:22 PM
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How about FGM being illegal and MGM not only being legal but leading to deaths? That's another bodily autonomy issue women don't have to live with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/24 10:03 AM
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Is the incarcerated criminal Andrew Tate really seen as successful and the ideal man - more so than Chris Hemsworth, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Ronaldo, Neil Armstrong, Tom Cruise or Elon Musk? I think almost no one views him that way. I'm going to need some proper examples of this type of male competition before I can really comment. Most of the men I know are pretty supportive and easygoing. I also have a slight issue with "competitiveness". Men may be more motivated to get ahead in sport or careers…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 05:21 PM
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not because he actually wants to understand the world around him, but it's almost as he's trying to find any opening he can to influence people to buy into the mainstream leftist way of thinking like it's a mission I have a friend who's similar. He still reads the Guardian unironically and believes every word its columnists write, even the obviously nutty ones. Ultimately, he's a friend and political beliefs shouldn't be allowed to come between us, so I simply tend to avoid discussing topics tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 04:51 PM
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But that's arbitrary. Why wouldn't it go the other way? People voted for a woman and a black man previously, so why wouldn't a black woman be even more popular? There are plenty of famous and popular black women in the US. If intersectionality were a genuine and honest attempt to explain disadvantage, it would admit that black men are the most disadvantaged group, not black women. And yet Obama won twice... You're right that this would be their argument, but there's nothing to support it and fra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/24 08:34 PM
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Hillary won the popular vote. Obama won twice. It wasn't misogyny and racism that caused Harris to lose. It was Harris and her team.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/24 05:06 PM
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Another YouTube video about the gender divide in fiction publishing: https://youtu.be/DvRNnRqbYpI?si=KLbik1iIG_V9hndR I've worked in academic publishing for about 20 years. It's the same situation in my sub-sector. About 3/4 of the editors are women and I've never had a male manager. It's female dominated, and those female editors prefer female authors and topics that appeal to girls. 50% of the readers are boys, but topics that typically appeal to boys are often dismissed as inappropriate or di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/24 12:38 AM
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In all seriousness, I suspect shutting down a hateful misandrist sub would be seen as misogyny and would attract criticism across the wider internet. I also suspect that the sub in question is one of the best recruiting tools for this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/24 10:10 AM
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In the end, it was not the concern for her own sons, but rather her need to hold opinions approved by her political tribe, that finally won her over. I think this is important. It's probably the case that women will only ever listen to other women on male issues. This woman does sound like a total extremist though. As I often say, feminism is to gender politics what the far right is to racial politics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 07:05 PM
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He's too much into entrepreneurism and all the dating stuff for my taste. He has some interesting guests and is mostly a good interviewer, but he's not on the left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 01:00 PM
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At this point I think you just lack reading comprehension abilities. Read the other comments, using your brain as well as your eyes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 10:00 AM
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Perhaps they think we can't hear them, or more likely, they just don't care. Honestly, did they really think men would support them after being insulted and ignored?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 09:56 AM
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I fear you're right. They'll double down on the misandry instead of looking at what they've done wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 09:53 AM
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This is a sub primarily focused on left wing men, and many people here are telling you it isn't true and that women and the Dems need to listen to men and care about issues that affect them. You aren't listening.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 09:39 AM
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It was feminism, in my view (though I'm not American). It may have been different with Hillary, though it's difficult to disentangle gender from her unattractive personality. The BBC produced a good article about this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr430gry81o Standout quote: “Young men often feel like if they ask questions they are labeled as misogynist, homophobic or racist,” says John Della Volpe, director of polling at the Harvard Institute of Politics. "Frustrated at not feeling unde…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 09:35 AM
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My take, as a non-American: If Trump wins, it won't be because men refuse to vote for a woman, which I suspect is the narrative that will be pushed, but because men are actively repulsed by the left, while the right takes no strong position on them. The left is feminist, in other words. All the whooping and hollering about "the first female president" is off-putting because of the way it's presented. Men just want politicians who care about their concerns, and the thought of a feminist - not fem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 09:26 AM
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Just one point: Men tend to feel protective and responsible for the women in their lives. It can often come as a shock to men that women usually don't feel the same way about them. They can love us but feel zero need to help solve our problems, and when we're no use to them, they can drop us and move on. Their nurturing and supportive side is usually reserved for children and other women. That's just how it is - mostly. For modern men, this isn't what they've been led to believe. Saying they don…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 09:19 AM
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You have it 180 degrees the wrong way. Sex with underage people is definitely, clearly more socially acceptable for female perpetrators. I don't believe your post is in good faith and the number of upvotes makes me suspicious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 09:20 PM
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Anyone who looks at Western society and sees a patriarchy rather than a socio-economic class system has to be wearing ideological blinkers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 10:49 AM
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The original anthropological meaning is very different to the way the term is used by feminists. They appropriated it and have twisted it to mean so many things that it's become meaningless, regardless of whether the concept was originally useful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 10:47 AM
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Indeed. What's really missing from the discussion - by design - is any sort of empirical evidence that we live in a patriarchy. There isn't any, and that's why feminists focus on personal experiences and feelings. They refuse to even have the discussion about whether patriarchy exists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 09:58 AM
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If it benefits women and harms men, it can't be a patriarchy. "Patriarchy" as feminists use it is an endlessly fluid concept that can be twisted to reliably protect women from blame and direct it towards men, regardless of the situation. It's a conspiracy theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/24 12:00 PM
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I'm glad you're getting the support you need. Intersectionality includes EVERYONE I wish this were true, but most commonly it's used to create a victimhood hierarchy that devalues men and white people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/24 11:57 AM
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In the UK, the gender ratio is the other way around, with 78% of potential victims being male: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5804/cmselect/cmhaff/124/report.html. That's likely to be the same in other developed countries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/24 01:46 PM
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If DEI supporters were genuinely in favour of diversity, equality and inclusion, that's what would happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/24 12:35 PM
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The truth is that men have civilised the world to such a degree that they've made many masculine qualities obsolete. Our risk-taking tendencies, (open) competitiveness, aggression, physical strength and assertiveness are no longer adaptive in most Western contexts. Not only are our natural qualities less useful, but we've also made almost every environment safe enough for women to excel in, due mainly to increased regulation and advancements in technology. So now we have female firefighters, oil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/24 12:33 PM
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The quote also handily ignores the fact that men are much more likely to be killed generally, regardless of the sex of the perpetrator. It's a classic piece of feminist sleight of hand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/24 12:15 PM
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"Toxic" has been that for a long time now. "Problematic" has the same function.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/24 11:32 AM
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"Patriarchy" is a conspiracy theory. There's no empirical evidence that it exists. Replace "men" with "Jews" or "blacks" in this theory and it's obvious what the patriarchy is - pure bigotry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/24 10:05 PM
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This is feminists manipulating their over-representation in education in order to privilege their own sex. Agreed. It's like a chain reaction or a runaway process - the more women dominate, the more they want to dominate. I genuinely believe that when men dominated nearly all industries and areas of public life they were far more considerate to women than women are to men now in female-dominated areas. I work in publishing, and I would say that the workforce is approximately 70% female. In 17 ye…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/24 12:13 PM
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I can't stand Trump, but there's no evidence that Katie Johnson exists. Also, over 40% of female voters support Trump. The sexual assault study is extremely flawed, as others here have shown. Looking just at Pew polls, the switch from Biden to Harris has seen male voters' support move from 46/52% to 43/51%, in both cases favouring Trump. This is a small swing and could of course be due to factors other than Harris's sex. Feminism has always been based more on feelings than evidence, but it's lik…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/24 11:23 AM
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If she succeeds, or more-or-less succeeds, things will definitely stay the same. She's a continuity candidate, and has no interest in improving things for men. Change won't come from nothing. Either she or Trump needs to fail badly for one of the parties to take stock and try something else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 09:25 PM
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They aren't left wing, but they pass as left for most people - especially for Americans, as few of them understand what the term even means.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 09:20 PM
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The left don't. The Democrat party and "progressives" do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 09:16 PM
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That's a false binary. The Democrats are selling weapons and giving military aid to one side while proscribing the other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 09:16 PM
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The sympathetic voices on the right are all grifters. They only care about harvesting money and/or votes. I agree that any solution will come from the left. I'm thinking of people like Ally Fogg, who co-founded the Men & Boys Coalition in the UK. They do the sort of work that we're always bemoaning the lack of. Fogg used to write a lot in the Guardian about politics but disappeared from their site when he started to write more about issues affecting men and boys. Even if some on the left care mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 11:29 AM
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But the opposite of a European liberal is an authoritarian. I don't get this line of thinking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 11:20 AM
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I hope Harris is elected but fails miserably, spurring the electorate on to replace the corrupt two-party system and put policies and ordinary people at the centre of politics, rather than money and soundbites. Trump's a monster while Harris is a self-interested empty vessel. I'm also not American.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 11:17 AM
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I feel the word “man” implies masculinity, strength, maturity, power, wealth, dominance, physicality and a few other things. Sure, that and a pair of testicles. If I'm reading this correctly, it seems you want people to use the word "males" instead of "men" because you don't like the way feminists talk about men. That's natural - none of us wants to be part of a group that's being insulted or denounced. The issue here isn't being a man or being identified as a man, but rather the dehumanising an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/24 01:02 PM
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Many people - not just feminists but also mainstream politicians and educators - are very keen on policing and defining masculinity. It's strange that feminism is all about freeing women from gender roles, but liberation for men involves being more tightly bound by them. Freedom for me, control for thee...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/24 09:07 PM
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I wish I could believe this, but there's far too much evidence of the left dividing itself, and of left-leaning feminists alienating/villifying men, including political allies. The culture wars in general are certainly a distraction from meaningful economic issues, and it's in the capitalist class's interest to encourage them, but the divisions aren't even necessary. The left has been warring with itself for a century at least.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/24 08:58 PM
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Look at the media and public reactions to Lucy Letby. She murdered babies, FFS, yet much of the media coverage was of the "How could such an ordinary person do such a thing?" variety. Of course, "ordinary" here meant female, white and middle class. Now there's a a group of truthers, which includes a sitting MP, trying to overturn her conviction, despite masses of evidence against her. There may well have been some issues with her trial - there are probably issues with every trial, as we don't li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/24 04:36 PM
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Ah, that rationale... And I was hoping for a moment there that the UN was starting to care about men and boys for their own sakes and not just for the benefit of women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/24 08:06 PM
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I've never fully understood what objectification means, to be honest. It's a vague shorthand for a number of things, and that vagueness is probably useful to some people. A term like "discrimination" has an unambiguous, literal and testable meaning - to treat someone differently based on who they are - but objectification is always a metaphor for something else. I don't find it useful or interesting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/24 09:42 AM
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They've always been demonised. For woman it's the old spinster/witch trope.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/24 12:51 PM
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More generalisations and vagueness...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/24 12:49 PM
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Yes, they make the problem worse. Some men may think that if they're going to get the blame anyway, what's to restrain them? Also, humiliation and shaming is one of the greatest psychological drivers of violence. Feminists don't want to stop bad behaviour by men. It's their biggest single source of support and arguments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/24 08:45 AM
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And yet it's still identical to what racists do: "Get the immigrants out! They're committing crimes and stealing our jobs!" "How about Mr Rodriguez? He started the landscaping business that you use." "No, not him. The other immigrants." Another far-right tactic that feminists use is to focus solely on their group as victims, and to focus solely on the other group as perpetrators. So feminists will focus on an "epidemic" of domestic violence affecting women, when far more victims of violence are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/24 08:43 AM
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I'm antifeminist but pro-women's rights and wellbeing (and everyone else's too). The people who have done the most to advance the wellbeing and status of women weren't feminists. It's always been an unnecessary and harmful ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 08:54 AM
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Stop body shaming. Attack his actions and beliefs by all means, but criticising men's looks isn't what we do here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/24 09:17 AM
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I that case you must think that women earning less than men is also due to social factors, and that it is on women to fix the situation, and it can just be hand-waved away.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 07:49 AM
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Would you consider contacting them? There might even be an NPR show where you could share your complaints. I totally get just switching off, but there's a lot more value in saying why first.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 12:02 PM
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If such people really cared about ending violence committed by men, they'd respond in a completely different way, such as attempting to understand why violence occurs. Instead, they do the worst possible thing - attempt to humiliate and belittle men as a whole. There are psychologists who argue that humiliation and shame are the main causes of violence. Blanket condemnation like this also alienates non-violent men, who then shrug and distance themselves from the topic, women's issues and left-wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 11:58 AM
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I had a similar experience to the OP yesterday when I found out a local man has created a charity to teach young women how to stay safe when travelling abroad. Why on earth wouldn't you make the course available to everyone? Do young men never get into trouble abroad, or does it not matter when they do? I recently searched for "gender and the Holocaust". Given that the focus of the results is all on women, you might think that they were the vast majority of victims, when actually twice as many m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/24 06:01 PM
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Indeed. And egalitarianism is in many ways opposed to the basic tenets of feminism. Anyone who believes in patriarchy theory can't believe that equality is even possible in our society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 09:40 AM
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JFC, it's like reprogramming or something. Totally Orwellian.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 09:37 AM
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Feminists, most likely, as they are the only people who benefit from a sense of female victimhood. I'm not sure why you're doubting that it's a myth, given the above data.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/24 07:55 AM
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The commenters seem to believe that: - it doesn't matter if men don't have sex/relationships - it's their own fault because they spend too much time playing video games - all of these men are Andrew Tate fans and that puts women off They aren't rational and many have an axe to grind. Ignore them and find your own values and opinions. Social media (including reddit) is not an appropriate source.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/24 08:45 AM
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I don't know and I'm not claiming it is indoctrination, just using it as an example. I'm asking why the author's focus is on why men have (apparently) become more conservative, rather than asking why women have become more liberal, which is what the graph shows.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/24 09:23 PM
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The graph actually disproves the article's main argument. It clearly shows that young men have become very slightly more liberal over time, while young women have become a lot more liberal. The slant is completely wrong. Why isn't the author asking why young women have suddenly lurched significantly to the liberal side? Of course it's the Guardian, so it considers that lurch to be normal and natural, rather than some form of indoctrination or radicalisation, say. However, it would be good to und…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/24 09:17 AM
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Liberalism has nothing to do with economics and isn't left wing, right wing or centrist. It's about individual freedom and often, by extension, about democracy, plurality, equality and human rights. Conservatism and right wing economics are also often conflated. I wish Americans would learn that there's more than one political dimension. It's perfectly possible to be right wing, socially progressive and liberal, even if such people are quite rare. Left wing progressive authoritarians are probabl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/24 08:44 AM
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Link to the post. I bet it doesn't defend misogyny at all. Link it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/24 11:28 PM
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Yes. Even from those on the right who claim to support men - ranging from the extremist Andrew Tate to the relatively mild Jordan Peterson - there's an unending stream of contempt and belittlement towards other men. They want to put men in a box, saying there's only one way to exist and if you don't measure up, you're not worthy to be called a man. The "traditional" roles for men that these people espouse are actually new and artificial, based as they are on a superficial understanding of biolog…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 09:33 AM
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Very few women who die do so because of misogyny. Feminists want us to believe that every homicide that involves a woman occurred because she was female (so-called femicide), but in fact they are generally killed because they were a specific individual, exactly as it is with male victims. Other than a few incel attacks, I can't think of any notable examples to the contrary. Feminists will always raise female victims of domestic violence, but again, they are killed because of their relationship w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 09:05 AM
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These are low IQ forms of argument. In fact, they're the forms of arguments that we as MRA's find ourselves countering from feminists all the time. Transcribe "Purple Rain" by Prince.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/24 10:36 PM
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Historically women have been marginalized, not centered, in all material respects--excluded from voting, professional work, having their own money, having bodily autonomy. That's directly untrue in some instances (upper-class women) or untrue by omission (the same was true of lower-class men). You're also generalising across all of history and all cultures. Your brand of unevidenced social theory brings nothing of value to the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 10:33 AM
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This doesn't work. Not an argument and no support even attempted. The existence of gynocentrism is evidence against the existence of "the patriarchy", though that term is used to mean so many things to so many people that it's meaningless.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 10:25 AM
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a societal order in place which assigns specific gender roles and expectations on each sex So why is it called a patriarchy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 10:20 AM
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You can claim the converse for female-dominated spaces though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 10:19 AM
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We live in a patriarchy and historically have. Nope. That's untrue. I'm British and for well over a decade in my life have lived under a female head of state and a female political leader. Even if they'd both been male, it still wouldn't be a patriarchy because women can and do become leaders and have all the same rights and opportunities as men. I've never lived under a patriarchy, and unless you're from Iran or Saudi Arabia, etc., neither have you. Your second definition is close to the origin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 10:15 AM
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It's less about being attractive than being confident.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 11:20 PM
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I don't think they're almost there. They're nowhere near. This is yet another attempt to avoid having empathy for men in general. Yet feminism is gender equality, remember!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/24 09:52 AM
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It's like saying anarcho-capitalism must include empathy for welfare recipients. It's never going to happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/24 09:49 AM
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In men, it would be labelled toxic masculinity. In women, it's strength. It's a total double standard and it isn't even true to reality. As you say, it's bad writing by people who can't be bothered to create believable or original characters, but who want to score some easy points in the gender wars. TV shows are full of this trope nowadays.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 10:27 AM
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Indeed. Where's the data proving that we live in a patriarchy rather than a class system?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 10:05 AM
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Revenge for imagined offences
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 10:04 AM
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That's it. Intersectionality is a fraud designed to produce certain outcomes and reinforce certain existing beliefs. Like everything derived from critical theory and the social justice movement, it's a fig leaf for discrimination.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/24 03:24 PM
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TERFism is misandry on steroids. TERFs view trans women as men, and that's why they hate them. They see the trans movement as men encroaching on women's spaces and privileges. To me, JK Rowling's always come across very strongly that way. Also, how much transphobia is directed towards trans men? It nearly all seems to flow in the other direction, under the assumption that these are men are trying to be something they're not (and failing). I've never heard a man complain about trans men in their …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/24 10:39 AM
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From the latest version of the report your link is based on, the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS): Almost 1 in 2 women (47.3% or 59 million) in the United States reported any contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking victimization by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime (Figure 1, Table 1). Seven percent (7.3% or 9 million) of U.S. women experienced any contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking victimization by an int…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 01:47 PM
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Liberalism's accomplished great things. Feminism has acted as a sort of parasite upon it, taking credit for its successes and weakening the host. That's why women's rights and opportunities increased at the same time that the labour movement started, slavery ended, universal suffrage began and the concept of human rights was born. If feminism had never existed, women would enjoy the same status and freedoms they have today, but without the social division and vilification of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 04:23 PM
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Has there been such a law in the West, in any case? Upper class women have always had access to education, and middle class women mostly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 04:16 PM
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Lots of men treat woman badly > she gradually becomes "defensive" One woman treats a man badly > he becomes angry, ranty and judgemental about women All the men are bad because they're men, but the woman is defensive because men are bad. All of the problems stem from men. It's misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 10:29 PM
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But even a hypothesis must be testable. Patriarchy can't be tested because it's far too nebulous and changeable. This is by design, not accident.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 10:17 PM
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The Illustrated Empathy Gap blog has a good post about "the patriarchy" and how, by the standards of the first feminists to appropriate the term from anthropology, we no longer live in a patriarchy. Despite this, feminists have continued to twist and redefine the concept to perpetuate an everlasting sense of victimhood and oppression. At this point, the existence of "the patriarchy" in the West is indistinguishable from a conspiracy theory. I'm afraid I can't find the post now, but if anyone can…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 06:36 PM
5

settler colonizer How do you know they weren't born in the place they live?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/24 06:34 PM
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And the middle ground - criticising individuals for perpetuating bigotry about men's essential characteristics? Because that's the real problem and it comes from women, not men. And why does feminism mean criticising "toxic masculinity" but not "toxic femininity"? Isn't that revealing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 08:52 AM
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I only support feminism in parts of the world where women are genuinely disadvantaged compared to men, but even then egalitarianism is a better way to cover these concerns, because men will still have some issues of their own, especially given that the more sexist societies are more authoritarian in general. I don't support feminism in the West at all. It's doing no one any good, and is always harmful to men and boys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 08:46 AM
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Studies have shown that the disadvantages black people in America face are largely the disadvantages black men face, and once men are removed from the dataset, the disadvantages almost entirely disappear with them. Intersectionality is just ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 11:45 AM
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It's election day in the UK, and all the parties have manifesto promises about improving the lives of women and preventing violence against women. Policies that are more likely to affect men, like preventing suicide, ending homelessness and improving poor academic performance, aren't gendered at all, so presumably won't be focused on men and boys. These policies could fairly be described as pro-gender inequality. My MP, who's an outspoken feminist (actually a TERF), will win again today. I've wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 11:34 AM
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I have to say that I feel much more comfortable spending time in cultures that haven't gone through the feminist "revolution". In some of these places women have equal rights to men and aren't oppressed or downtrodden, but also men haven't been demonised or emasculated. They've simply been allowed to be men while the status of women has improved. This is pretty common in southern Europe. I think many people don't realise how depreciated the status of men and boys has become in much of the West, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/24 04:14 PM
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given what we have been through for the last several millennia She must be a vampire!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/24 03:55 PM
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Nope. Men fixed women's problems for them. How else could it have happened?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 04:36 PM
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This is an example of not being given the same grace. I believe there is nothing wrong with male-only or female-only clubs, third spaces, etc. However, it only seems to go in one direction and here we're talking about living spaces, which are different. This discourse - that women can only be safe when segregated from men - is harmful to everyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 04:17 PM
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I think it’s definitely true that there are women specifically getting paid less for being women The stats don't back you up, at least in developed countries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 04:13 PM
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I find it hard to differentiate the patriarchy (as explained by feminists as opposed to the original anthropological use) from conspiracy theories.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 04:10 PM
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It's hysteria, and nothing more. Let's remember that the vast majority of accusations in the Salem witch trials came from women, and in England about 2/3 of accusers were female.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/24 12:27 PM
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Ah, if only men could be more like women! Seeing a feminist trying to care about men's issues is like watching a crocodile trying to become vegan. They will never accept that feminism itself is harming men, among other factors. On balance, these articles are harmful. They still perpetuate myths about "the patriarchy" and "male privilege", and try to police masculinity. 5/5 for effort, 0/5 for execution.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/24 10:20 AM
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I seem to have fucked up the link to The Game and I'm damned if I'm going to fiddle around fixing it now. Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(mind_game)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 08:33 PM
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I can’t help but notice that all the positive traits that used to be associated with boys are now considered gender neutral (strong, capable, intelligent, ambitious), while most of the positive traits that used to be associated with girls are still associated with girls (nurturing, empathetic, detail-oriented, polite). Meanwhile, boys have been assigned plenty of negative traits: they will embody “toxic masculinity.” They will be difficult. They won’t be kind. They’ll grow up to be obnoxious fra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/24 09:05 PM
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And if you disagree, you're displaying your "fragile masculinity". Women really have made verbal and psychological bullying into an art form. I sometimes think that most human societies evolved to keep female power in the private realm because it can be so destructive and maladaptive in the public realm. They're so good at dividing people and tying us up in pointless arguments - like the whole man vs bear thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/24 09:52 PM
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I don't think many of the women saying "bear" actually believe it. It's performative. They want to insult men and signal that they're "progressive", in the messed up modern meaning of the term.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/24 09:33 PM
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If they're online then they're also in the real world, just hiding their actual thoughts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 10:47 AM
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It's hyper/hypoagency again: men are responsible for all their faults, but society is responsible for all of women's faults.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 10:46 AM
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Isn't this so blindingly obvious? Couldn't they just have asked some men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/24 02:10 PM
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Is there a proper source somewhere? On the website, the FAQs say: 1800RESPECT is a service that supports everyone impacted by domestic, family and sexual violence, including men. 1800RESPECT counsellors will work with men to understand their situation and will provide options for them to access further support. This may be access to specialist trauma counselling or to other support services, specifically for men and boys dealing with violence. All violence is wrong. It is a violation of human ri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/24 09:35 AM
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I'm obviously talking about the West, the home of feminism. Women have never been an oppressed class in the West and men have never been an oppressor class. Stop swallowing the feminist propaganda and learn to think critically. Your post is one of the least rational I've ever read on the topic. You include far too many assumptions and irrelevant statements. A woman was arrested for being disruptive? Oh, no! How terrible that a woman was arrested for breaking the law! It's almost as if making a s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/24 10:21 AM
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While old feminism in the early 20th century was concerned with justice and fairness I agree with everything you wrote except for this. Feminism has always been, in part at least, a hate-filled vehicle for female ambition. There are some feminists that this doesn't apply to, but the ideology as a whole has always contained misandry and misrepresentation about men, going back to the 19th century. Janice Fiamengo made a video about this: https://youtu.be/7s-3WgAo-Gk?si=aupDwjmPTF2eWABB. Feminism w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/24 02:08 PM
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Never heard anything in the media about Putin’s genitals. Not in serious media, of course, but social media (which reaches far more people nowadays) is always full of references to Putin "compensating for something". It's the same whenever men drive large cars or act out in some way. When women drive large cars... nothing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/24 01:50 PM
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It's the same with dick length and baldness. People feel it's fine to bodyshame men. I have no love for someone like Putin, but whenever he's in the news people start joking about his height and genitals, as if his actions aren't ammunition enough. There's also a story in r/unitedkingdom right now about a (female) judge who's accused someone of having "small man syndrome". The guy's a scumbag for sure, but there's no way a judge would bring a woman's appearance into sentencing remarks. There see…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/24 07:44 PM
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If you let criticism of feminism go unchecked, the subbreddit slowly devolves into women-hating I don't think that follows at all. It hasn't happened here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 09:31 PM
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Exactly. It reminds me of last year's Guardian campaign about the first woman to be executed by Singapore in 20 years. Over the same time period, over 100 men had been executed, mostly for the same crime (drug smuggling). They weren't even mentioned in the articles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/24 03:08 PM
1

Gender becomes meaningless when untethered from biological sex. Everyone is affected by sex and therefore has gender. When people start talking about genders that have no relation to biological sex, the whole concept becomes so nebulous as to be meaningless. It's a spectrum from male to female: people can be either or a mix of both, but not neither.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/24 05:43 PM
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People generally attribute psychopathic characteristics to males rather than to females. So even when females display some of the key traits associated with psychopathy – such as being insincere, deceitful, antagonistic, unempathetic and lacking in emotional depth – because these are seen as male characteristics they may not be labelled as such, even when they should be. Also, female psychopaths tend to use words, rather than violence, to achieve their aims, differing from how male psychopaths t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/24 07:51 PM
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The patriarchy is just a conspiracy theory at this point. There's no evidence for its existence in Western democracies. Feminists have repeatedly redefined patriarchy theory as women gained equality in all areas (and superiority in some areas). This was necessary to maintain victimhood status. Male privilege is similarly invented and empirically unsupported. The concept ignores that men are disadvantaged in many areas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/24 07:45 PM
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