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I'm sure you will be able to wank at 45 year olds at 64, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:03 AM
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.. Dating your cohort with 2-3 year age difference isn't 'older men' and certainly not the 'older' you referred to previous posts That's not what projection means. If the man lets her ..want him? It's never about the average young man, there are many young men who do make quite a bit of money based on their field, the women with greatest age options who are looking for that will rank those guys highest. And sure if civilization collapses we can revise all of this Thanks for specifying what kind …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:15 PM
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Oh. You completely missed the point. Most women actually like and appreciate men and love the men in their lives, unfortunately some guys on Reddit, who thankfully are nothing like any of the men I've encountered in real life, behave like complete assholes to women and say and do all the things referenced. I don't resent men at all, but the guys who behave in the way I describe do talk about all women, as in 'women started the gender war etc' ..but thankfully they don't represent all men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 07:04 AM
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There are many women I have seen to be evil and that I would say have done wrong. I actually inherently distrust very attractive women because I expect them to be selfish, entitled, and cruel. Some people are just not good people and you will see it on all sides. I agree about the men vs women gender war rhetoric - I hate it. But I'm not sure about this last part. Beauty doesn't have anything to do with how kind a person is. They are completely independent variables. This is like saying you expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:51 AM
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Essentially this only applies to a handful of topics... such as pregnancy issues. So you think there are only a handful of topics a woman already understands? And chief among them are pregnancy issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:42 AM
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No one needs marriage in 2022, some people want it. A lot of people don't have hang ups about men vs women and just like who they like without being worried about various 'pills' so just live their lives however works best for them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:12 AM
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Just looked at your post history, are you the guy in your photos?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:24 AM
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Seriously. I can't believe this list.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:20 AM
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Oh geez none of these guys look very good at all. Ben Affleck???
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:18 AM
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WE NEED AT LEAST 27 MORE TORTURED POSTS ABOUT HOW THIS PARTICULAR MANS PREFERENCES AND INSECURITIES SHOULD BE UNIVERSALIZED AND MADE DATING CANON
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:12 AM
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Lol.I actually meant to add a caveat about northern Europe and Scandinavia in particular--- but I've spent time across Italy, Spain, and France and visited London and came across whistles and cat calls in all these places.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:11 AM
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Omg. This is a tortured argument. I don't think I said I was attractive though, yes I am, but I'm not looking for dating strategies anywhere, and would absolutely never come to reddit for advice, especially not dating advice, since I enjoy giving advice on those subs wouldn't trust most of the other stuff people say on there. However I regretfully stumbled on to a post on this subreddit this morning and this circus has left me dumbfounded and thanking God and the universe that none of the guys I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:37 AM
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Ok so you're talking about guys who are 30 and 35 and look around 26-29, ok I'll buy that. And I'll go with 25- 30 being a general peak in looks depending on the guy. This is not the same as what a lot of guys are saying about large age gaps. And I will add to your point about not knowing what an average 30 year looks like and say it's the same re 30 year old women. These posts and comments insisting that women become repulsive to men when the clock strikes midnight on the eve of their 24/25/30/…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:16 AM
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Thats not a logical conclusion that's a bunch of assumptions inferences and guesses. Catcalling is a basic, every day annoyance, t's not even in the top ten obnoxious incidents I regularly encounter, unless they're being particularly graphic or it's late and they start insulting or getting kind of threatening. I have no reason to lie about this and tbh can't believe I've bothered to spend so much time clarifying this
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:01 AM
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You have such fixed ideas. Nothing can shake your certainty. No matter how rocky the foundation. At what age do you think guys start catcalling women? Do you think they ask for ID? No, they see a body with boobs a waist and a butt and long hair and go for it. I was 12 when it first happened but it happens consistently where I live. Please stop patronizing me and telling me what I have and have not seen and experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:54 AM
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Yeah that sounds absurd. I don't know what population they used or how the study was conducted or how they quantified all of this but I'm suspicious. If I don't get distracted I might look it up later but I think this is a really toxic conclusion that people on Reddit keep bringing up apropos of nothing-- and a lot of times its guys who aren't short arguing with women who are saying 'a little taller than me is fine by me'-- and bottom line I don't think this is really true, and it's really harmi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:48 AM
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Yes it has been a harrowing experience and I am incredibly grateful and relieved that these particular men's posts and comments do not reflect the average man, and am especially glad that none of the men I know in real life are reflected here. I haven't been keeping up with the ladies so can't speak to that. But I can see how this would be a very dangerous place for people who dont have friends - or just people they like and respect-- of the opposite gender. And by this place I probably mean red…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:29 AM
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Obviously, and I'm not suggesting I speak for all women, but I can certainly give my take on this and recount my observations and conversations with other women my age, and while I can't speak for all women, I am providing more data points than the guys on here insisting young women find old men irresistible. And I wasn't just referring to men saying I or others don't speak for all women-- that would be a very obvious and reasonable point---what I am seeing is a lot of men saying 'no young women…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:20 AM
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Does this control for differences in status/resources etc? Because the question was about whether women found much older men attractive, and without controlling for arrangements where the main draw is the older mans status, money, connections, rather than the older man himself, it's not really shedding much light on the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:00 AM
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How old are you and what part of the 20s are the girls you're dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:54 AM
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How old are you? And what part of the 20s are the girls you're dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:53 AM
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I actually don't agree about this enormous height preference people on Reddit obsess about. Some women want very tall guys, lots of women just want guys who are taller than them. Height is not a barrier to dating, short guys might not appeal to everyone, but they still have plenty options. Then again I also think its hilarious when Reddit guys swear fat women can't get married or find relationships, yet everywhere you look you see both short guys in relationships and fat women in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:53 AM
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Ok this is super strange. Especially given that you claim you witnessed zero catcalls in major European and US cities. Have you considered that you do not actually know what a cat call is? Because you keep claiming catcalling is men making fun of women, not men hitting on women. .. And you insist you've very rarely witnessed anyone being catcalled... So maybe you are on the look out for something you personally like to refer to as ''catcalling" but which isn't the catcalling everyone else is tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:46 AM
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Where do you live? Do you cat call often and speak for all cat callers? I'm sure in some places cat calling is a rare occurrence but there are plenty of places where it's constant. And while you and your pals may have spent a lot of time catcalling random women on the street in order to make fun of them, there are plenty of other guys cat calling women they find attractive and some of them genuinely get upset when the women ignore them. I am young woman on and off reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:40 AM
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But what is the prize??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:30 AM
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Actually most women like men. We don't want to have sex with or get into relationships with 'most men' but we do with those who we are compatible with. And most of us value guys we don't want to sleep with as human beings. What a lot of women get the ick you mention for is men who resent women, have a lot of anger, bitterness, and animosity towards women. We get the ick for those men who make everything a gender war, who act like they are victims, who inject every conversation with something abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:27 AM
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Stumbled on this subreddit today and 20 and am appalled by the strongly held convictions men have about their attractiveness to women my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:15 AM
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Most older men with significantly younger spouses have a transactional relationship in which he is providing resources and she is providing youth. The younger woman may find him attractive, but she also may not. And in the vast majority of cases, a woman who is offered the choice between a man around her age and an older man, where both men have equal resources and status, she will prefer the younger man. The only reason there were large age gaps historically is because women were forced into ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:12 AM
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I've been on PPD for less than a day and every person claims to speak for all people of their own gender, but individual men also seem to speak for all women. I don't speak for all women any more than any of the men insisting young women find middle aged men irresistible, but I certainly have significantly more contact with young women and feel very comfortable saying that the vast majority of us prefer guys our own age, and are in general not attracted to significantly older men. Obviously some…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:01 AM
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I'm 20 and stumbled on here today, I assure you we are not lying. Young women prefer young men, we want to date our peers, a few years difference max. This myth about their being a mutual attraction between young women and older men is not based in reality. Women used to be forced into those relationships and older guys who want younger girls keep pointing out to history as though that was ever indicative of attraction or choice. We'll stick with young men, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:52 AM
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I don't understand this compulsive need to explain to women who they are attracted to. I am 20 and I don't find older men attractive. I can recognize that some are attractive "for their age* but I am not sexually attracted to them. None of my friends are attracted to men significantly older either. Certainly not to sleep with or have a relationship with. A comparatively small number of women do find older men attractive, or find the lifestyle they might provide attractive, but given the choice b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:46 AM
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That's like saying men are attracted to good looking women. Period. Sure, but youth retains the advantage. Good looking youth is better looking than good looking age. And generally speaking and there's a point where a person might be "good looking for their age' but that does not translate to being considered good looking by younger people. A miniscule percentage of 23 year olds will be interested in a 46 year old, no matter how good looking he is to his peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:33 AM
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You have very strong convictions in your opinions, so much so that you are happy to inform me of what women want. Sadly for men hoping for young nubile women when they are in 40+ (and often times younger), women don't in fact prefer older men, they prefer men in their cohort, this often translates to a 2-3 year difference in age, not a gap of 10, 20, or 30 years. Which leaves us with your elderly man masturbating alone to videos of 'barely legal' girls having sex with men decades younger than hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:56 PM
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So you agree that not everyone has the capacity to parent a child with special needs? Because this whole thread was basically making that point. It wasn't about aborting ND babies, or saying ND individuals are not valuable or loved, or any of the points the conversation devolved to. We are talking about parents thinking about all possible outcomes before even trying to conceive so that they decide whether they are prepared for whatever outcome. It's shocking that this is controversial. I'm neuro…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:20 PM
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Yeah nobody ever said that autistic kids shouldn't be born or that parents don't love their children, or that no parent has the capacity to parent a child with special needs. Nobody has said any of that. This has nothing to do with eugenics or aborting autistic babies. I am not sure why there is so much confusion in this thread. The fact that some people may not feel capable of raising a severely disabled child, including a severely autistic child, does not mean that autistic people, or that dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:38 PM
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Yeah I have no idea why that would appeal to anyone, I'd rather remain single and imagine most people would if that were the only option, but different strokes for different folks. People can just look for partners they love and actually like as people rather than this trading youth for money rigamarole where the beginning middle and end are equally bleak.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:40 PM
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Pardon? You appear to be confusing me with another woman. I'm sure this is happens to you often.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:12 PM
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As another commenter indicated, women were routinely prescribed amphetamines in the 50s and 60s. Women, often mothers, we're also routinely hospitalized in mental institutions for depressive symptoms. None of this is new. Tradition wasn't idyllic for women, and neither is modern life. We haven't come up with the ideal framework yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:06 PM
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Mother's little helper. Those drugs do sound better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:59 PM
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Its certainly not a good bargain on the woman's end since beauty fades and if that is the only thing her husband appreciates about her she is easily replaced. She is also signing up to be his caretaker in old age, which comes sooner for some men than others, but will doubtlessly come for him while she is still young and attractive. In a transactional relationship, once he is old and impotent, or frail and ill, she may resent the obligation and decide to leave, since the arrangement is no longer …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:48 PM
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I feel like you're not understanding that I'm not making a point about men vs women. Any complication is significant when it's your child, and sperm quality and the risk factors associated with older men has an impact. Acknowledging that doesn't negate the fact that older women are more likely to have complications in pregnancy. I'm not sure why you can't accept the biological fact that the ideal time for both men and women to reproduce is when they are both young.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:36 PM
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It's usually men claiming women want these things. It depends on culture and country but most women where I live study and expect to work and aren't looking for resources, they are looking for compatibility. Those women who are looking for resources can find them in young guys in specific fields that make a lot of money straight off the bat. Some women are interested in older men, but most women prefer men around their own age.Maturity doesn't necessarily come with age, and what you call life ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:46 PM
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Being attracted to people isn't predatory, it's natural, but men who are exclusively interested in dating very young women are somewhat predatory. If they find such a narrow age bracket attractive, they are lying when they claim to be offering greater stability and maturity than young men. The young girl will eventually age out of the narrow threshold they find attractive after all. She's better off dating a younger man, objectively, younger is more attractive in both genders, she may as well en…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:39 PM
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You want the handsome, high income earning 30/40 year old men to remain in your dating pool by the time youre looking for marriage or a serious, long term relationship. If those men are chasing younger women, then youre not getting what you want. No, I don't have an agenda. Personally, I don't find older men attractive, period. On top of that, I find men who specifically seek out young women creepy AF. If I didn't think these things and believed in your theory about men becoming more attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:30 PM
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Wtf? Do you really try to verify a woman's lack of interest in you by double-checking if they'd be bothered if you went into porn?? OP, this is alarming behavior. I understand you think all women are insane but perhaps you should take a look in the mirror
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:16 PM
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I appreciate your optimism and confidence!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:10 PM
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I pity the woman who has to live with someone who says things like 'you women' when responding to an individual woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:07 PM
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You have a very antiquated view of relationships. I realize that you truly believe that relationships between men are women are purely transactional, with men offering money and women offering youth, and that men remain desirable for as long as they have even a single viable sperm, while women become disposable decades before menopause, but many people have a different view of relationships and the world. In the same vein, it has nothing to do with jealousy or competition to point out that the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:04 PM
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Definitely!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:48 PM
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I'm a young woman who happily shames older men who specifically seek out younger women. There's no conflict of interest. A lot of them are obvious creeps and many of them are subtle creeps, most have superficial and immature ideas about women and relationships and it's off putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:45 PM
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I'm not sure how you were in your 20s or what the guys espousing these theories about young men being inferior to older men, but I assure you there are plenty of great young men for young women to date. Horniness isn't actually a drawback for young women. There are young men with character, and principles, those aren't things you necessarily aquire with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:40 PM
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Exactly. I know so many guys in their early 20s who are far more mature evolved and empathetic than half of these redditors in their 30s and 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:34 PM
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Being horny is not predatory, and there are plenty of young men who are responsible and empathetic, I would absolutely prefer to be with a horny young man my own age than an older man who specifically seeks out young women. That has nothing to do with promiscuity. Likewise, there are plenty of promiscuous old men going after young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:33 PM
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Same, I'm 20 and find it such a turn off. If a guy is only attracted to women under 25 I'm not interested, there are plenty of guys who are attracted to a broader range of ages. Including guys my age who find women in their 30s hot. Guys are in their sexual peak in their early 20s so why downgrade to an older guy who finds his peers repulsive despite being past his prime himself? I'm not attracted to older guys either way but if I am at my peak in terms of desirability why would I opt for someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:26 PM
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This isn't eugenics. There's no larger social goal, this is about individual parents weighing their capabilities with potential risks. Autism is a spectrum and while there are many autistic people who live completely normal lives, so much so that many are now only diagnosed as adults, there are still many autistic people who are never able to function past the level the previous commenter described. Acknowledging that many people with autism are never able to use the toilet and that smearing shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:15 PM
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Not really. Im providing information. Autism is a spectrum, and while there's an increasing number of people who are diagnosed as autistic in their teens or as adults, as well as a vocal community of people who have what's controversially called "high functioning autism" there are also a lot of of children and adults with autism who are non verbal, self injurious, and struggle with feeding. I've interned working with severely autistic kids and it is heartbreaking. Becoming a parent means you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:03 PM
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I think you're absolutely right. They clearly despise and resent women and have an enormous amount of bitterness and anger against the entire gender, yet they are obsessed with trying to make the same women they can't stop disparaging feel bad enough about themselves and sufficiently hopeless about their prospects, to finally give in and date them out of desperation. Its truly bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:40 PM
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Not sure why you're making this a competition. Women stop being able to have children in their late late 40s to early 50s, men stop whenever they become impotent, but past 30-35, the likelihood of complications increase. And in terms off infertility, when a couple is trying to conceive, it's as big a deal for the man to be infertile as a woman. Everyone is free to have children whenever they want, but most women who want children, especially if they are in their 20s, don't want to have children …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:27 PM
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Why do you think I hate autistic people? I don't hate autistic people, or people with downs syndrome, or chromosomal abnormalities, I'm just noting age increases the chances of having a child with these issues, and this, combined with reduced fertility, are factors people consider when and if people decide to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:16 PM
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Yeah a guy I know did that when he turned 30. Its probably a smart move, like women who freeze their eggs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:12 PM
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I don't think you know what projecting means. Women's fertility also starts declining at that age and at a much faster rate, but the reduction in men's sperm quality and the risks of having children is not negligible. Men can have children for decades longer than women, I'm not denying that, I personally would not reproduce with a guy over 35 because of this decline in quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:17 AM
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That's not what hypocrisy means. I don't understand why some men think telling a woman her time is running out is beneficial to anyone. Do you think women will be more likely to date you even though they don't like you? That they will panic and get married before the stroke of midnight to avoid the terrible fate you predict? Because if men stop finding women desirable at 29, or 25, or 23, what is the incentive for women to try and settle down? Being married doesn't change the fact that she'll gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:11 AM
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This may hurt to hear, but women in their 60s do have sex and get married, even older in retirement communities. The fact that you limit women's super wanted age to 3 years shows how incredibly out of touch with reality you are. I'm sure it brings you comfort to think that at some point you will be highly sought after while the women who reject you now will be haggard old crones, shunned by society, but the truth is, most women who are attractive and charismatic at 20 will still be able to, at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:54 AM
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Cc? Oh he can do whatever he want, I'm just pointing out that his sperm quality is a lot lower by 40 so if he was serious about having a family he should have started way before 40. He can still have kids of course but the risk of autism and other issues is quite a bit higher. If I have kids I wouldn't risk it with a guy over 35 personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:36 AM
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Sage advice, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:20 AM
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You're not understanding, people--men and women--want to date people they like. That means people they enjoy being with and are attracted to. Even if every man in the world only cared about age and body count, that wouldn't persuade women to date people they don't like. It might make the competition between women to date the guys with the most mass appeal and settle down with those guys by 25 or whatever the cut off age was, but women still wouldn't want to date guys they don't like. A lot of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:17 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:09 AM
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Wait so you are saying that because the girls you like don't like you back, you judge women who are older...for getting older..and women for their sexual past? As revenge? Does this mean you are one of these redditors who randomly bring up age and 'the wall' when nobody is talking about anything related to that? Like just to try and put down the woman? If so, you're just annoying them because your behavior is obnoxious and immature. Your opinions just add to the unpleasant noise of a lot of Redd…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:08 AM
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Mens sperm health declines in his 30s, sperm quality and count, and risk for having a child with autism increase pretty significantly past 30-35. That 40 year old should have settled down 10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:56 AM
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