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Discussioncatchandthrowaway/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 08:06 PM
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I want to date Emma Watson and Jennifer Lawrence at the same time. Am I settling if I do everything else? Not getting exactly the dream scenario isn't settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 08:12 PM
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How are they settling? If they'd rather date a low SMV 20 year old then a high SMV 30 year old, then it's just a preference they have the opportunity to express. Most men don't get that chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 07:57 PM
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TLDR; Higher SMV guys in their 30s can get girls in the 18-21 year old age range but they won't be higher SMV girls of that age range. Most will either be ugly or just broke/having money issues, you won't see rich sorority sisters with good looks going for a 30 year old, ever! Who cares? They're dating who they want to date. You might not agree with those preferences, but they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 07:49 PM
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Hard to say, as in my demographic that certainly is not true. Also I've never had a female orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 06:32 PM
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So I still think on average, men have better consistency when it comes to enjoyable sex. I agree - more consistency. Even without multiple orgasms, female orgasms just seem...better. Certainly longer. Plus women have a lot less to worry about during sex. A guy has to be controlling his pleasure to last the appropriate amount of time (i.e. thinking of baseball). Women can just let loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 06:26 PM
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I think it's why there is such a huge orgasm differential. Men have to work so hard for sex... only makes sense they're the ones who enjoy it more. Women can have multiple orgasms in one session. I'd actually say (in my anecodatal experience) that women enjoy sex more on average, but bad sex is much worse for a woman than it is for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 06:21 PM
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Repeating 'well how do we really know anything!' doesn't advance society. Research should be done even if it isn't perfect. You can dismiss all survey based research ever because the sample isn't representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 08:20 PM
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Name one survey with a representitive sample of the general population. Let me beat you too it - it doesn't exist. You can force people to answer surveys across national boundaries. but they go to considerable lengths to ensure they have surveyed a representative sample of the population before they make those statements No they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 07:27 PM
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It's not a universal statement, it's short hand. The population was already defined in the title. People don't rewrite their population of interest over and over again. This is pedantic. Women clearly refers to 'these women' not 'all women'. When you read the results of basically any survey, they will write in the same way. For example, if you see a political survey, they will write '35% of Republicans support Trump', not '35% of Republicans who have land lines and were home between 5-8 and were…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 06:07 PM
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It's more that being submissive around women is a mistake. Some want equal, some want dominant, but no one want submissive, so aim dominant/balanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 11:07 PM
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One question is about lifestyle questions - it specifically states it's not about 'whips and chains'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 10:57 PM
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I think you're being pedantic, you have a messed up definition of dominance, and you're actually showing more insults and hate for women than TRP does. I'm sorry you've had such bad experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:27 PM
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Maybe! If you're a single guy looking to meet women then yes. But I meant it more as 'one should be more dominant'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:18 PM
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Half of this sample of women who, for whatever reason, can't find an adequate boyfriend in real life TRP gives advice on how to get women, so the fact that this targets single women is not actually a bias - it's exactly the target audience. Also like how you causally insult women who don't 'have an adequate boyfriend'. Disliking submissiveness and liking dominance are two sides of the same coin.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:17 PM
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I'm not arguing feminism is contradictory, I'm arguing TRP is correct in that you should be more dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:12 PM
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They often don't - but this is a place to debate with TBP, which largely does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 08:29 PM
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The sample overwhelming says they don't want submissive ones. And TRP also advises to be more dominant in bed. The point about sample size is interesting from a statistical point of view for two reasons. First, the further the true probability is from 0, the lower the margin error is, regardless of sample size. We can be very confident the % of women who want a submissive guy is low. Second, sample size only really matters when you're trying to generalize to a larger pool. I am doing that here, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 08:26 PM
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That's my point. Clearly the articles contain obvious advice. Then why not mention lifting?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 02:54 PM
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You're saying that the advice in these is specifically chosen so as not to be obvious? Tell me, why did you never realize that you should 'Think, At Least a Little, About What You Need'?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 11:43 PM
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Most media doesn't emphasize that nearly enough, or nearly as much as TRP. I googled 'Men's Dating Advice'. Here are the first two articles: http://www.eharmony.com/dating-advice/dating/our-ten-favorite-dating-tips-for-men/ http://www.yourtango.com/experts/janet-ong-zimmerman/dating-advice-menfrom-women No mention of lifting weights to get more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 10:55 PM
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Most people have different goals. Or at least, different measures of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 10:41 PM
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Okay? My point is that there are several reasons to date a less hot 22 year old vs a more hot 40 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 01:50 PM
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Thank you for being open minded!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:05 PM
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A few reasons (as someone who has recently hooked up with women on both ends of the spectrum). The biggest one being that the female body begins to sag a bit as it ages. Even with the same shape, things are just a bit looser all around. This is probably a bigger issue for women than men because female body % are higher as a whole. There is a reason most adult actresses are in their early 20's, or have implants. And, to be a bit explicit, the vagina also changes a bit over time...esp with kids. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 10:38 PM
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Even if this were true (it isn't in my experience) - why is this a problem? An older guy likely prefers a 22 year old 6 to a 40 year old 9. That's kind of the point of the 'wall'.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:58 PM
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So it's only consent under all of those? Or do each imply consent (as I read it)? Some sex is quiet. Some sex has foreplay, some does not. Making a list like this to establish consent is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:32 AM
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So, we get 'you must not be having sex' as an insult, which is kind of the point RP but no matter. The fact is that just because you know a woman wants it at the moment is no guarantee that they'll view as consensual the next morning. Check out this story: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a33751/occidental-justice-case/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:31 AM
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It's not about 'left right and center', it's just a risk that's all. Personally I thought 'no-means-no' was crystal clear, with some obvious exceptions for heavy inebriation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 09:32 PM
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Go onto TwoX and argue that it wasn't rape because the woman orgasmed. I dare you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 09:31 PM
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It's 100% clear to me as well. But you and I both don't know that there won't be any problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 09:14 PM
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At least half of the things you wrote wouldn't be considered indicators of consent currently. In fact many would think you were misogynist for thinking that a blow job, an orgasm, or moaning were indicators of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:59 PM
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It depends on who is saying it. Are they looking for a boyfriend/husband? Then at least it's neutral. If they weren't, or a female friend said that to me? Then it's frustrating. I want to be desirable in the now. I don't want to be shoved off into a corner to be used at a later date.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 11:46 PM
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There are things that will work on a significant percentage of women. You don't need to sleep with all of them y'know. I'm just pointing out that saying 'it doesn't work on all of them' isn't a valid criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 04:13 PM
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So you'd prefer it if he was more dominant?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:57 PM
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What does work on all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:55 PM
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Completely agree. The only counter-argument is that the misogynist tones are helpful to undo the 'women are wonderful' effect - they can be just as shitty as we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:55 PM
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WTF? You're 19 years old and you used steriods? And from that you concluded that fitness is doesn't matter? Stop taking the easy pill. You don't have and shouldn't get 'huge' as in a non-natural body builder. Just go have a good diet and lift weights. Go start Ice Cream Fitness or something. If you're fat, have a cutting diet. Next - if you did have a fit body and women weren't attracted to you, then it's your clothes and style. Fix those too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 08:05 PM
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I think all that happened here is that FullFegalia used a bit of hyperbole with the term perfect. Perhaps he should have said excellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 02:48 PM
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Seriously, who the fuck is telling you this? Who told you that [some] women were 'perfect'? I feel like it's a cop out to blame 'society' for supposedly teaching men this. I have not once seen this in action. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9CWomen_are_wonderful%E2%80%9D_effect
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 01:08 PM
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They are strong individualists, but they are keenly aware of how society perceives them and the power in exploiting that. Spending your days inside watching a pony cartoon doesn't help one be perceived as valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:11 PM
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You can easily be a beta army dude - hell a ton of the stories on TRP are about soldiers being beta's to their wives back home. It's more about your interaction, and from what I understand, they're in a sexless marriage. Here is a description of her husbands appearance: a lithe, slender build. Claire remembers his hands as elegant, long-fingered and narrow, smooth and hairless as a girl's It might not be a perfect match, but it does bear a lot of similarities.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:09 PM
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Usually those are correlated - TRP never argues to become valuable to standards you make up yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/30gszj/you_can_distill_all_red_pill_knowledge_down_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2u3o37/the_most_important_lesson_for_an_rp_male_you/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:03 PM
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Simply search for happiness on TRP would show you. I did it, and found it quite easily. If can't find it let me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:57 PM
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Pretty much - do the more important things first, certainly don't get addicted, and try to tone it down over time if you can for better things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:48 PM
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I would advise someone to do the important things first - lift, groom, socialize. I might recommend toning down those hobbies, but you can't expect everyone to be perfect all the time. I would say that the TRP ideal doesn't watch My Little Pony. I view WoW raiding like I view cocaine. Yes, some might have had some amazing highs with it, and met some interesting people. But it's not at all worth the very real risk of addiction, and the potential benefits are very low compared to the time invested…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:40 PM
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TRP would argue that being a valuable person would lead to longer term happiness. That's often discussed under the term 'delayed gratification'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:31 PM
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It is. TRP isn't trying to perscribe every action in your life. Still, some things (heavy drug use, large amounts of video games) clearly don't make the cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:25 PM
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I wouldn't say 'not okay', but I would say not encouraged and not optimal. You're allowed to do suboptimal things some times. WoW for 12 hours a week is not an ideal use of time, especially on a raiding schedule. I'm a gamer too. I spend too much on it. It's not ideal, and I'm trying to improve out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:24 PM
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Being a bit unfair - heroin makes many people unhappy and that's not good for people. People who are hardcore into WoW, MLP, and Anime can have those 'hobbies' destroy their lives just the same as a drug addiction. Note that all of them have you sit on your ass for huge amounts of time a week. It's tough to define better, but I'll give it a shot. Better as in improving towards goals that make him more valuable to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 08:23 PM
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The key metric: Are they making you a better man? Or is it just relaxation/indulgence? By that standard, I would say the battle robots would be fine (you become more handy). The others not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:54 PM
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I think the first post was actually - 'shitty erotica'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 05:47 PM
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We're going to talk about Outlander as an example against RP? I didn't read it, but I'm pretty sure it's as AF/BB as you get. Doesn't the main character: Leave her successful, impotent, surgeon husband behind Sleeps with a hot young warrior dude Gets pregnant with hot young warrior's child. Goes back to the husband with the kid which they raise together Eventually leaves husband to go back to the hot young warrior dude to live out her days. Am I mistaken? That's about as RP a a story as you can …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 03:49 PM
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Would they? I can't imagine them arguing for anything positive for men. That would admit men have problems they don't. And if anything, they argue women specifically shouldn't have jail time: http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/06/we-should-stop-putting-women-in-jail-for-anything/ This article has a quote that really sums it up: It sounds like a radical idea: Stop incarcerating women, and close down women’s prisons. But in Britain, there is a growing movement, sponsored by a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 03:21 PM
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The ultimate skills yes, the method probably not. TRP is aimed at men who pursue women, and the advice is given in that manner. It presents it's self as a solution to problems that men face. A lot of the motivation comes through sexuality - i.e. do this and women will want you. By the same token, the vaginal monologues might inspire a lot of positive traits, but the method works better on women. So, perhaps maybe a small number of links would be useful? You know how some women say they prefer be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 03:16 PM
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I've done 1 (partner suffered from depression and eating disorders) and 2 (PhD). 3 is a bit unfair. TRP would tell you not to go into a female-dominated field. Then again, some people do post that TRP helps in female dominated fields. TRP helped 2 a great deal. From a research perspective, you must be comfortable working alone with no external motivation for long periods of time. TRP helps provide internal motivation. When teaching, you need To maintain control over the room. People need to thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 02:44 PM
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Just make something up and don't reschedule. Or, if she's in your social circle, you can spike the date and show no interest.
/r/askTRP04/06/15 09:59 PM
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But it doesn't make sense to then say that hypergamy is only a female thing. Even more, we see that when you live in environments like cities where there are more women than men, men have the hypergamous advantage and can date women beyond their attractiveness level and get sex a lot easier than men in rural Texas, per se. So you're potentially robbing men of a huge advantage by kind of wording the entire definition wrong? The definition isn't wrong, it's just not as broad as it could be. TRP is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 09:02 PM
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And you've said. 1) Hypergamy applies to men too. I.e,men seek the best partner available. But the definition doesn't include that. TRP is a forum for men. Because of that, it focuses primarily on how to get women since that's what most men want. A lot of the principles could apply to women who want men, but TRP doesn't bother because it's a male space. That's why the definition there is single gendered, but the definition on wikipedia is applied to both genders. Supply and demand says: the amou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 08:48 PM
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Which actually ends up making the more homely women feel invisible. Really? As you said, on Tinder there are twice as many men as women. The most common complaint I've heard from women in online dating is they get too many messages. Wait, you think male hypergamy is the same as supply and demand? I'm confused. I thought hypergamy is when women choose to sleep with the hottest/alpha guys because they get their tingles running and then settle down with beta guys who can provide. Please let me know…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 08:24 PM
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We completely agree on pretty much everything. The only difference is that you're using different labels. The sexual market place applies to both genders. TRP talks about how to get women because it is a forum for men. You could easily have a similar conversation about the sexual marketplace for women with similar terms. Who do you want to just have sex with? As a guy? Both of them. That's probably the difference in the sexual market place - there are just more men then women in it. Will you sle…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 07:53 PM
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The sample size isn't one - it's hundreds - the number of women who swiped the photos. In a political survey, the sample size is the number of respondents, not the number of questions. What's interesting about your response is that is exactly what TRP is trying to say. Yes, women what look for in short term mating is very different from long term partnerships. That's the whole AF/BB notion. Yes, the nature of the sexual market place leads to women can and want to sleep with more attractive men. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 07:28 PM
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Okcupid is a bit skewed because it's a dating website - hot guys messaging unattractive women are assumed to just be interested in sex, or perhaps they are just spamming messages (why else send them). What do you think of this experiment: https://np.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/23gvy0/its_hard_being_average_my_tinder_experiment/ On Tinder, a model got 94 messages to an average guys 2. The average guy got the same number as the ugly guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 07:10 PM
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That's exactly what TRP says - it's not feminism fault that you can't get laid - it's yours. If women are only interested in the top 20%, just go become part of the top 20% by lifting, improving you style, and earning more money. If anything feminsim has made sleeping around a bit easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:44 PM
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I'd argue that women have been way ahead of men in terms of sexual strategy - TRP is a group of men trying to catch up. That being said, the goal is usually to land a more provider guy, which would mean. Typically that means not putting out early, not going out as much, dating a guy with a low partner count. If you want more of an Alpha type, start acting like an Alpha. Hit the gym, become a bit more interesting, stop smoking, go out on dates instead of hook ups. Most of the world isn't TRP, so …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:42 PM
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Definition of self improvement the improvement of one's knowledge, status, or character by one's own efforts. So yes - that would be a form of self-improvement. I'd say all forms of self-improvement have some desire at the end of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:15 PM
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That part isn't consistent either - there are plenty of threads saying that women are completely rational about their sexual strategy, and that if we were women we'd do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:10 PM
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According to TRP, it does. The 'knowledge to better get what we want' is that self improvement is king. That's the distinction between TRP and PUA: PUA will try verbal tricks, pick up lines, approaching a large number of women. TRP will say tell you to lift weights, dress better, and make more money
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:06 PM
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Dehumanizing women is not an external cause. The 'dehumanizing' part means you don't really view killing someone as murder since they don't count as a person. Blaming them for a lack of sexual success (which is exactly what TRP says not to do) sees them as people who stand in your way. Interestingly enough, the quote about women is exactly what TRP teaches, and would be a risk associated with it are more likely to develop negative attributions of blame that are internal in nature, that is: 'The …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:04 PM
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You gonna quote the next sentence after, or you just going to leave the quote with no context? we do talk negatively about females most of the time, but that is the purpose of this whole fucking sub? To point out female bullshit so that we can use this knowledge to better get what we want. Turns out, the knowledge you gain says self improvement is the way forward. You could also have looked at the highest voted post on the front page of the sub here: http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/37…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 02:59 PM
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Some men are like that - regardless if they are on or off TRP. If the problem is blaming 'external forces' as you say, than TRP is one of the few sources saying that the responsibility does lie with you. The quote from your article; 'The cause ... of my problems is someone else or some force outside of me', is as Anti-TRP as you can possibly get. You've shifted your position here - your sources argue that murders are about blaming external forces, now it's about dehumanizing people? Finally, I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 02:54 PM
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TRP tells men to blame themselves - i.e. you don't get laid because you don't lift enough. The first rule is self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 02:08 PM
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Right! Women value themselves/others based on their ability to get relationships because those are harder. Men value based on the ability to get sex because that's harder. So, you saying 'hey friends - I value so much more then those guys I sleep with' isn't true to them, even if it is true to you. Just like me telling a female friend that she should be happy even if no one wants to date her - she can sleep around as much as she wants. It's falsely imposing your values on their lives. To be clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:11 AM
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What's harder for you to find - sex or a new friend? Would you risk your friendship to sleep with one of your male friends? Would they? On an unrelated note - I'm not sure you realize how scarce sex can be for an undesirable man. To sum your paragraph - you're arguing sex is scarce for women because, if they don't want sex outside or a relationship, they won't have sex unless they're in one. Fair, but for an undesirable guy there is literally no choice. No relationship sex. No ONS. No casual sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:42 AM
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It's not bad as in evil, it's bad as in ineffective. Check out all the qualifications that advice needs. "there is nothing wrong with...not exactly a lie...don't over do it...being a bit...". Half the time you have to end up somewhere completely different than where you started. For example, be yourself doesn't really mean anything. I'm always myself. Be my best self? According to who? Myself? Should I talk about that play I made in video games last night cause that was awesome! The big question…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:35 AM
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You have a different definition of value then TRP, or men in general, because of scarcity. By your definition, you value your friends more than hot guys. That makes sense since friends are much scarcer than sex, so friends are more valuable to you. By the TRP (and likely your friends) definition of value (social or sexual), you value hot guys more than them. That makes sense because for them, sex is much scarcer than friendship, so sex is more valuable. Put differently, you have a bunch of sauce…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:20 AM
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The question isn't whether you mean it as a greater compliment, the question is how guys should take it. As a guy, it's far easier and far less valuable to become friends with a woman than it is to sleep with them. A less assertive guy can find himself swimming in female friends, but not have anyone to be physical with. Case in point - those male friends of yours? If they're attracted to you, they almost certainly would sleep with you if you'd let them. It might not be some deep burning desire, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:04 AM
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I suppose that's the point of dread game - it's a way for men to communicate that they too have options. It shows less desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 05:53 PM
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So for the first two - you actually agree with TRP right? You just would want the statements were more general?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 11:52 PM
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The most prominent Redpiller on reddit: https://vine.co/u/1212233707860467712
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 08:54 PM
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http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-case-for-an-older-woman/ A woman's desirability peaks at 21, which, ironically enough is the age that men just begin their "prime," i.e. become more desirable than average. Following that dotted line out, you can see that a woman of 31 is already "past her prime," while a man doesn't become so until 36. As we mentioned above, after age 26, a man has more potential matches than his female counterparts, which is a drastic reversal of the proportion in young ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 06:34 PM
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I do think it has something to do with how feminism dominated the conversation on gender roles. Think about the (justified) backlash against this Saudi Arabian conference on Women's Rights, which didn't invite any women: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/28/saudi-arabian-womens-conference-picture_n_3515062.html You roughly had the same thing going on in the West. There is and was a massive conversation about gender in our society, but Men and Masculinity aren't invited to the table (as an …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 08:35 PM
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