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Tonight’s girl slop: spinach and strawberry salad, seared shrimp, homemade bread <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:35 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:11 PM
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TFR is understandable on a macro-level (for a specific nation), as people are increasingly worried about a future in which social security dries up, but most people also cannot afford to save adequately for retirement because cost of living will increase at a rate faster than wages go up. You can import the global south for this, but there are other issues associated with this. Nation and societal instability also leads to reduction in liberalism and freedom, which is bad news for the generation…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:02 PM
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Yes it does lol. It frequently discusses female AND male nature lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:32 PM
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"believe that one is deserving or entitled to certain privileges." Yes, so this is the belief that you are owed something – in this case, certain privileges that you think are deserved. Don't give a shit what you wrote in your OP because you are wrong, point blank, and everyone in this thread has written some variation of the same sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:55 PM
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Entitlement is not defined by actions, but the belief that something is owed to you. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:53 PM
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The alternative to marriage is not getting married lol. Just be honest. Please say it out loud. “I want the type of marriage where my spouse does not have the option to leave me. I want to own and control this decision.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:44 PM
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Not psychologically optimal knowing some old guy is going to give me his old sperm that is more likely to result in autism for my children. That is like the opposite of psychologically or biologically optimal. Not psychologically optimal when I know I will be lonely for decades — like a third of my life — after my spouse dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:47 AM
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Progressive like what? Like wanting people to have healthcare and for people to have longer maternity/paternity leave? Supporting trans rights? Straight up wanting communism and wealth redistribution or what? I don’t get what you are saying because you are somehow both vague and too narrow in this post. There are plenty of non-progressive or conservative women who also say they’d rather die alone than settle for less, so…? Someone’s wealth and class is not indicative of whether they are a good p…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:19 AM
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Red pill also has a stated male nature, which is that men are violent, sexually pushy, polygynous ephebophiles. Not that I think all or most men are like this 100%, but this is the “base instinctual state” so to speak. It is expressed to varying degrees in the vast majority of men. So idk why it is okay for red pill to have this belief but not feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:46 AM
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It does not mean women have to believe men are lonely, particularly when men mean “I have no pussy to coom in = lonely”. Most men have family and friends and ability to make friends. No pussy to cum in is not “loneliness.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:30 AM
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Women are not expecting men to believe us — the only thing that matters is that we have an answer when men ask/argue, and they can choose to believe us or not. Men get on this app every day and talk about how they want to be the one that “breaks women’s rules” and how they get satisfaction and status from eroding a woman’s boundaries. Even the ‘cels and sexless want to be this man. So everyone and their mom knows what male nature is like; this part is inescapable. You just hope (and try) to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:13 AM
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Can only be said by someone with no friends and no social circles lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:18 PM
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I never said it wasn’t?? I am not arguing that people should not use it, I’m arguing that the way OLD is setup brings additional hurdles in a way that meeting through social circle does not. It makes it “worse” or “harder.” Everything you’ve written here is completely brain dead and irrelevant to the conversation lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:07 PM
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Yeah I don’t give a shit since I only date via social circle
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:59 PM
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Naw, by “pre-vetted” I mean the men in my social circle largely have similar moral and political values, come from similar backgrounds as I do, have similar life trajectories, etc. I don’t have to actively go looking for those things because they are already present in my social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:40 AM
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I think online dating sucks in that there is no way for me to pre-vet men, unlike my social circle where most men are largely what I am looking for in a life partner, and so I do not have to filter for that. Online dating has also led to a resurgence in formal dating, which is unenjoyable to me. I understand why it’s like that, because you are basically strangers who don’t know each other, and formal dates are a way to get to know one another. But I find that process really grating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:15 AM
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A little bit of both. Broadly speaking, I like people who have a strong curiosity of the world and have a desire for achievement, as these are things I share and I’d like us to pass these traits along to our children. But I don’t need a man to be as good at professional design or cooking or whatever as I am. That is completely meaningless to me. Neither of these things tie into my respect for someone. My respect for someone — specifically a man — only happens when I perceive him as competent and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:37 PM
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Yeh. Be a man about it, don’t be a pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:08 AM
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No it’s just deadass retarded to think of dating this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:46 AM
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The subreddit is for women who want to maintain male-led marriages so everything you have said here is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:38 PM
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All this shit is so retarded, who the fuck is thinking shit like this while on a date with someone they are presumably interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:37 PM
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RPW was partially founded by one or two of the old senior endorsed TRP members. They were meant to be aligned on red pill theory and largely are; RPW still has old endorsed TRP members pop in from time to time to give male perspective. They are affiliated together, technically, and at some point Red Pill Wives branched off from RPW (largely consisting of older founding RPW members I think).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:55 PM
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Declining birthrates are bad for western civilization overall. When there are not enough people to uphold a culture or nation, it collapses and disappears. And often when societies are in collapse, liberalism and freedom are one of the first things to go. At the same time you cannot force women to have children. So most women will just enjoy the decline until the collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:09 PM
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Even better is when they admit that if enough of them don’t get fucked, they’ll vote to oppress women and start some violent uprising in where they’ll force women to serve men lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:00 PM
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Because I didn’t have them in my undergrad college circle or work with them, or go to grad school with them? Lol? All my friends and boyfriends have come from these places; they are all professionals working in tech, engineering, healthcare, and corporate sales.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:49 PM
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I was not exposed to dating down or up — what this means is that there was never anyone meaningfully in my social circles who were lower class. I only dated in my social circles. Those people are not in my social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:04 PM
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One of the posts I came across had this and I was like, she’s looking for a unicorn lmao “I’m attracted to men that have a provider mentality, I’m financially independent and stable but for me it’s about the feeling I get when I feel taken care of by my partner and I am not attracted to men that have a bill splitting or 50/50 mentality. My income level and lifestyle makes it hard to find compatible matches. All the quality profiles I see seem to want kids.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:32 AM
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I have seen like 4 posts in the last two days about high earning, childfree women having a hard time finding provider or non-50/50 men who are also childfree. They keep asking why it is so difficult and complaining that all the childfree men their age seem less mature or just want casual or are not providers. And it feels like it should be very obvious? Men tend to be more externally motivated in their romantic endeavors, so in the pool of men who make a lot of money, want to provide, and have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:39 AM
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What are we defining as simpy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:05 PM
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I do not know, I cannot tell you. I dated men in my social and socioeconomic class simply out of social proximity. I was never exposed to dating down or even up. The percent of egalitarian-financial and female-breadwinner marriages goes up every year. So likely women will just continue to do this. The women who really do not want to do this will just not date at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:53 PM
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10000% a serious argument. The OP's argument is that women should circumvent evolution of sexual attraction in the name of equality. So, I propose that men do the same about their biology to make things equal for women. But men don't want to do this because no one actually believes or wants "equal dynamics." They want the opposite sex to make things more advantageous for them, that's simply all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:43 PM
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I do not understand your question. Can you rephrase this? What is the issue? I go out and sometimes men approach. Most of the time this happens, I just say some variation of no thanks and we both move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:19 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:22 PM
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I am not turned on by passivity in men. So in this regard it is not better for me or any man I have to approach. I will not feel sexual for him. It’s like actively a disservice to both him and me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:12 PM
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That is not what I said. I said I find men good looking. That doesn’t mean I want to sleep with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:07 PM
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Q4A: If you could pick — either you never do your favorite hobby again, or you never get into a relationship again (including having to dump your partner/spouse), what would you pick?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:55 PM
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You literally agreed earlier with another man that his view of attraction (which is the same one I share of men) was the more common one, so lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:46 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:45 PM
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Looks don’t get me horny. I’ll see a good looking man and think he’s good looking, it stops there. I only get horny and feel sexual for a man when he takes the initiative to interact with me, when he is charming and smells good and is flirting with me. I can only get horny for men who I perceive as competent and respectable in this way. If he is passive, I just will never feel sexual for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:36 PM
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I do not believe that men find other traits sexually attractive. Sexually. The other traits are nice to have for them, but does not impact whether he wants to sleep with her or not. Men will see a static photo of a hot woman and his body will scream at him to cum in her pussy. Meanwhile women are more likely to have responsive sexual desire. I mean that is the long and short of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:04 PM
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Men literally say up and down this sub that their sexual attraction to a woman is just looks and youth. They don't give a shit about anything else. So I am taking them at their word.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:49 PM
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Why is this question directed at Blue Pill lol? They are more likely to say that women should do more approaching, and are more likely to not believe in the evo-psych of why women have receptive desire. Anyway, I will answer your question: a lot of women find it sexually attractive when men take initiative. Without it, we lose attraction. While a man may appreciate it from a woman, it does not fundamentally impact his sexual attraction to her. Nobody actually believes in equal dynamics between m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:37 PM
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How important looks are will vary from woman to woman. For me, looks are only important in that they should not hinder me from wanting to sleep with a man. And while I don't have "hookups" (like one night stands and no strings attached sex), I did want to sleep with my bfs and now fiancé early in dating. This meant his ability to turn me on was important here, which was a combination of primarily "game" and secondarily looks. This is really only an issue if you are unable to maintain attraction …
/r/RedPillWomen23/07/26 06:06 PM
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(This is a joke about the lettuce parasite going around in the US lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:55 PM
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You are using “gold digger” incorrectly here. If you want to talk about female entitlement, then do this, but gold digging as a concept does not fit into the concept you are trying to fit it into.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:39 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:55 PM
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This is all abuser talk. “I want to isolate women and make them have zero support system so that she is financially and emotionally reliant on me, and she cannot escape all the abuse I give to her.” Like you should have just typed that, since you don’t consider women as human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:49 PM
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He is some retarded black piller, I don’t care about him. Any men who believe him are severely mentally disabled too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:26 PM
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If you cannot find good women who are interesting to talk to, this is a personal problem. You are the only common denominator in all the relationships in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:19 PM
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u/Slow_Celebration1328 You must explain what the link in your post is for if you want this to be considered as part of your debate thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:18 PM
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Red pillers think that’s retarded too. Just like “have you tried being gay?” and “have you tried dating ugly men?” All that shit is gross, yuck
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:09 PM
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Dumb question, cannot believe it is getting asked. “Hey, have you ever thought about forcing attraction where there is none, and dating women with dicks?” Like lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:31 PM
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Yes, I don’t think the bar is lower for men overall, but the OP has asked us which domains we think the bar is lower, and those two stood out to me. That being said the bar is higher for men in other domains, such as taking initiative in dating, and professional career.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:03 AM
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In my social and socioeconomic class, women are making as much as their husbands and they share financial responsibility for their household, so I am not sure what to tell you. They are all working full time, and it is most often on mom to be the primary parent. This is how it is in middle class/UMC American southern suburbia. Additionally the pressures of what is considered “good mom” have blown up since the invention of social media, and because parenting techniques are largely aimed at mother…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:51 AM
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I do actually think the parenting standards for men and women are not the same, and generally this extends to being household managers as well. The United States is a large country so this could very well just be the regional culture I’m in, but still, it exists. Another area I think men have much more leeway is what is considered groomed and hygienic. As long as men don’t smell bad, this is fine. But women are perceived as gross and unkempt when we don’t wax/shave, if we have unpolished feet an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:37 AM
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Yes this is exactly my question. Like they are choosing to see women who inherently see men in terms of dollar signs. Why are they surprised that these women will try to take as much as she can get?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:51 PM
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That is the risk men take with sugar dating and seeking out sex workers, I am not sure what to tell you. This has always, always been an event that happened in sex work. It shouldn’t happen, but it’s not regulated. Frankly this is similar to the risk women take when you have sex with a man and he strings you along saying he wants a relationship but dumps you after. Any kind of dating will come with some level of risk. If she says she needs money for whatever, men are not obligated to pay this. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:23 PM
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It is not a scam if she is being picky and setting her price high. That's just some sugar baby pushing the limit on what the market will give her. It's not dissimilar from people who are picky about their employment and negotiate very high to extract the most benefit from working with that employer. How is that scam? Really the problem here is that you are now priced out of the market for the types of sugar babies you want. That is just the way the market works, I don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:49 PM
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Thailand used the be the spot for third world sugar dating / PPB-ing until the hookers realized they can get way more money from these men, and now it is getting 'expensive' (relative to years past) to do it. It's bloated with greed, but this is what sugar dating is. None of these women are genuine. They are mercenary and have to be. Men who engage in sugar dating are just pretending to not buy prostitutes, and to keep this fantasy up, they are willing to pay more and more money for the sugar re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:18 PM
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Sugar dating is just going the same way as Thailand sex tourism — men are willing to pay these prices for some women, so women will charge what they think they can get away with. And with how much men try to get away with 'salting' them, if I were a sugar baby I would also raise my standards or monetary investment. No one gives a shit about how these people "date."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:01 PM
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"Things are bad" for whom and in what way? Clearly if sugar babies and whores can demand more or have higher standards, it is not bad for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:50 PM
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I am whore second from the left
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:56 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:51 PM
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Larp
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:48 PM
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Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:47 PM
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I am not personally insulting anyone. I do not care for hugbox tone policing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:42 PM
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You just have a fundamental misunderstand of what "asking someone out" means. Even if you are friends beforehand, one of you will be asking the other out. Modern dating culture does not prioritize cold approaching and this has never been true. It's even less true now that online discourse has revealed women do not want to be cold approached, sometimes in any circumstance at all. Most approaches (if they happen at all) will be "warm approaches" — someone from within your social circle, with whom …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:41 PM
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This is not racist and has nothing to do about race or his sex. I'm Asian and an immigrant but have assimilated into western anglo culture so have experienced both. This is about western dating culture and norms. It is not my fault that non-western or non-westernized people come to this sub and spout the wrong things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:29 PM
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This whole exchange is retarded because your whole OP is based around the idea that asking someone out = cold approaching; asking strangers out. And it does not mean that. You are conflating a man having confidence with asking strangers out, and this is not the standard men are asked to meet. You keep talking about western culture after you have admitted to having never experienced it, so anything you say to me is completely and utterly useless to me. It is akin to like mosquito buzzing or flies…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:59 PM
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Downvoting comments is against the rules of this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:50 PM
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You are still not understanding. Asking someone out does not mean cold approaching or asking strangers out. I am not sure how else to explain to you that asking strangers out is not the gold standard even in the West. Not a single person thinks COLD APPROACHING (as you have defined “asking someone out” in your OP) is the standard. Even in Friends, there is Joey who does cold approach, but Ross and Rachel date after having known each other since high school. Chandler and Monica get married after …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:41 PM
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Premise of the post is wrong because no one in western dating considers “asking someone out” to mean strangers and cold approaching. This is even prevalent in all types of western media where friends or coworkers or otherwise people who already know each other refer to taking a romantic step as “asking me/you/him/her out.” This is the problem with non-westerners making commentary on western dating practices; they have no idea what it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:19 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:38 AM
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What does this have to do with what I said? I didn’t say women should move in before marriage and spend years living with him. I said cohabitation and premarital sex is a risk women can take, and sometimes this is a risk that pays off IF she has chosen well and sets boundaries for herself. This is highly dependent on each relationship. While I would not blindly suggest this to women, I do think I am the one being nuanced in my approach here. I do not know what you are doing. Also if you are talk…
/r/RedPillWomen22/07/26 01:32 AM
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There is nothing in this subreddit that advises women to love a man to his core before he’s proposed. There are a million and one resources here that tell women they are vetting him up until she marries him, and to give to a man using incremental reciprocity so you can safeguard yourself. Not cohabitating or not giving a man sexual access before marriage is not some cure-all for women’s vetting of men. It is largely up to the individual to assess whether this relationship is heading toward marri…
/r/RedPillWomen22/07/26 01:19 AM
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I do not care if a man has female friends nor do I consider this a "red flag," like I do not even know what that means. I only care if a man is able to be polite with a diverse range of people including women. I don't know why I would care about him having a friendship with a woman; I myself am not friends with any men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:03 PM
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This is not even a question, or shouldn't be — men will legit be with a woman for multiple years and consider this relationship "not serious." Like she is a starter gf or placeholder gf until something better comes along. A man who wants marriage (and specifically with YOU) will make this known early. But women are also idiots for just assuming he is open to marriage just because they are in a relationship. I mean that is just foolish once you have observed any kind of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:27 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:08 PM
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Yeh I mean, I’m open to changing my mind about some things, just not this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:12 PM
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This is just my theory, but I think it is ugly women who do this, like they want the clout of being an influencer or streamer but are too ugly to do so irl, so they tap into the anime gooner market lol. No evidence for this, just vibes. Also these vtuber models are suspiciously childlike. A lot of them emulate the soft, high pitched, cutesy voice of children. Baby talk. No one can tell me this appeal is not somewhat pedophilic in nature. Everyone engaging in this is weird. Someone out there will…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:42 PM
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My wedding is the only extravagant thing I’ve ever wanted in my life, lol. I’ve been saving up for a “wedding fund” since I started my adult working life, so since I was like… 22ish? I’m getting married next year and I am glad I started doing that. I don’t know how my fiance I would ever have a traditional wedding if we did not have the income to support throwing it. Rain on your wedding is good luck!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:26 PM
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How the fuck are trans women flaired RPW does this make any sense 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:37 AM
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Something to the first is fine, I think most people would pick to fall within their gender norms anyway. The second is like disgust inducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:32 AM
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Uhhh? The question is asking whether YOU want to live in a post gender world, and the answer for me is no because I would not be able to find any of these creatures attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:30 AM
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He says in the comments that this future means women have the same bodies and there is no sexual dimorphism. That is disgusting to me, like the question is asking if “you” want to live in this kind of world, and I don’t because I would find nothing attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:25 AM
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He literally says in the comments that males and females will have the same body type, no sexual dimorphism, that is completely disgusting to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:19 AM
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Generally it is a bad idea to do anything for a person just and only because you expect it to lead to something else. I cooked in every relationship I was in, but I also like cooking and it’s enjoyable to me to share the things I make. Obviously some of these relationships did not work out, but this not a problem for me because I had a good time. Nobody is entitled to anything. These are not problems with “men” or “women,” but problems for men and women who are too desperate and do not set bound…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:42 AM
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The idea where everyone is the same agender blob is an ick, like how would I ever feel attraction to anyone to have a relationship and start a family? The idea of fucking women with dicks or men with vagina is also yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:33 AM
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Ew no, this sounds horrific.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:24 AM
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Attraction kinda is a meritocracy in that they have traits that are good for attracting others and dating lol. Like they are “rewarded” for being good looking, confident, proactive, charismatic, sociable, etc. in the form of getting attention from the opposite sex. What you are describing is that dating is not equal or egalitarian, which is like… yes, ‘water is wet’ tier thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:04 AM
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I do not know who needs to hear this, but reporting people who post jokey, trolling comments under the Automod is incorrect. That is the purpose of Automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:56 PM
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My ideal society is one where human relationships are not profitized by tech bros who are thinking about the Match Group shareholders lol. Also, who is "you"? I'm a woman. I am not advocating for women to have no filters, so I have no idea what made you think this was the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:46 PM
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Because it is overwhelmingly men who the ones having to pay the money. Most women will not have to do this. I understand dating has never been and will never be fair, but I think telling men who are already not getting matches, to just boost his profile (in where the result is that he is likely to just continue not getting matches) is asking men to embarrass themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:49 PM
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I fundamentally do not believe that people trying to find relationships should be profitized. Of course I think men can assume this at their own risk, and that the wiser decision is to just not use dating apps rather than give it money in hopes of changing anything. Because the truth is that a man who is not desirable enough to compete on apps will not be chosen regardless of how much money he gives to the app. An undesirable product with more exposure still does not get purchased. Club cover fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:41 PM
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Having to pay money for the chance of finding a relationship is some sort of humiliation ritual for everyone involved, but especially for men. "Hello, pay us money for the chance at being chosen by a woman!" — this is so completely dystopic that it could only have been conceptualized by some kind of corporate human cockroach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:20 PM
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It is not some controversial take to me that men are violent and pushy about sex. I think everyone should just accept this as part of male nature and stop caring and everyone will be better off. I am not a feminist, but like generations of women before me have known what's up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:18 PM
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No one in the history of the world believes that women are just as violent and feel the urge for criminal violence as much as men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:11 PM
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No one thinks women are innocent, just that men disproportionately make up criminal behavior particularly in violent crime and sex crimes. Hate crimes too. There is no convincing me that men and woman are equally violent and aggressive, or even that gap is "much closer," or anything like this. It is biological imo. Edit: I find it crazy that red pill men are commenting and telling me it is not biological when red pill theory asserts that base male nature is to be violent polygynous ephebophiles.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:02 PM
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What are you defining as casual sex? Like a ONS with a stranger? Because you can have casual sex in the form of hooking up with someone from your social circle (which is pretty common), or sleeping very early with a man you are dating, and in those cases a lot of your points don't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:26 PM
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I am leaving him and this is why I stay strapped if he tries to force it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:12 PM
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I do not think anything when men complain; everyone complains a bit. If it is repeated complaining and that is all someone talks about, that will get annoying, but it's not like I am going to stop them. Some of my charitable giving is to local non-profits that specifically work with, or provide for, a male population. Men still complain. So whatever, they complain, what am I supposed to think or do about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:33 PM
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She told me that she knows a “reformed murderer” and that everyone deserves a second chance. 🤢🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:40 PM
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Crazy that I have women telling me to give a chance to a guy with a criminal record. “You could be missing out! Everyone deserves a second chance!” Yeh just not with me lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:36 PM
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Yeh I mean I really do not care for hug box language when the definition of criminal = person who committed crime lol <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:29 PM
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“Yes Chef”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:15 PM
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I mean there is nothing for them to do here except meet standards or date a woman who has lower standards, like in the ghetto or trailer park.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:40 PM
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Yeh I mean that’s great for you, but I am not into dating men with criminal charges; I am engaged to a man with a clean background. We also have a house and a Mustang, an Accord Hybrid, a dog, a cat, and a bearded dragon. I did not have to date a criminal to get all of that. Also if a man has got some sort of DV charge or anything involving violence, that’s even worse. I would not even hear anything out, he is getting ghosted. Disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:19 PM
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Yeh I don’t date criminals, any kind, it just makes them retard (at that point in their life). Why should I give some guy like that a chance? It’s not even about him being an adulterer, I just don’t want to date a criminal lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:40 PM
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There was a post recently deleted where the OP was advocating for large age gap relationships, and then if you went to his profile, it was chock full of violence and rape oriented porn lol. Like he participated in “Fascist Misogyny Father” and “Daddy’s Dark Fiction” subreddits that sexualize fathers and daughters. So of course these weirdo men will make age gap relationships look bad because they want to fulfill their sick perverted fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:00 PM
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If you look at the subs he participates in, it is a list of violence and rape oriented porn. So it all makes sense why he feels this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:41 PM
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LMAOOO ok
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:31 PM
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Hahaha, here comes the argument that “all average and below average looking men are good partners, but no one gives them a chance!!!!” LOL. Anyway that does not address the core of what I said; OP says that women having nothing else to bring to a relationship except sex, and this is verifiably untrue because women tend to carry more of the household management and responsibility. And that is true even for middle class couples where both people are mid (as this is most couples). I don’t entertain…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:09 PM
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Men want kids like children want pets. For a lot of them, they want some sense of genetic legacy, but they don’t actually want to be fathers or be the responsible parent. It always makes me laugh when I see threads on Relationship Advice or the Marriage subreddits where the husband wants his wife to stop working and be a SAHM, but he does not have a plan for how he is going to make up for the loss of her necessary income. Then again I cannot imagine marrying that kind of bozo of a man so lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:53 PM
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Yet somehow, women still do the majority of domestic work and act as primary parents even when both spouses are working the same hours. This whole post is projection because most men on this sub know they have nothing to offer except dick. It is not women who are the ones screeching into the void about how all we care about is how hot our partner is, and that we don’t care about anything else. I cannot even imagine what it is like being in a relationship with one of you; it is so completely fore…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:27 AM
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Weird take from a man who doesn’t not even definitively want kids himself and will never go through pregnancy and childbirth. “I think I know better than other people, who are living lives that are their own and not mine.” Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:01 AM
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One’s value and one’s standards do not have to align. That’s not how dating works. A man who wants big titties on a woman does not have to then have a large penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:47 PM
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So then why should people drop their high standards? You’re telling people to drop them and be high value instead. Just be of high value and keep the standards lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:57 PM
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Bringing something to the table, so to speak, is completely unrelated to the standards you hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:44 PM
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Get on some form GLP-1 if you can. Make sure your eating habits change while you do this. Lots of cardio. Count your calories if you have to. Good luck!
/r/RedPillWomen18/07/26 06:13 PM
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A lot of the guys on this subreddit know they are low value — they just wish women will dumpster dive for them similar to how some men will dumpster dive for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:29 PM
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The only time I have ever seen af/bb is like one specific case that involved a single mom who beta buxxed really hard. I think it happens but it’s so rare. Like the majority of women don’t spend 18-30 years old exclusively fucking hot guys and never get into committed relationships in the same pool of men they hook up in. That is some fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:19 PM
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Blue pill is everything that is not red pill; even purple and pink pill are just different flavors of blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:10 AM
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It is complete rage bait, I am even weirded out by it as a woman. Like why would I have a relationship with a man I am not attracted to, and let him do all these things for me knowing I will end this relationship due to not being attracted to him. Comes off like using the guy, it’s so strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:07 AM
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It does not matter to me what most would refer to as hypergamy because this is called “purple pill debate,” in where the goal of the subreddit is to debate the validity of red pill ideas and prescriptions vs. blue pill (everything not red pill), otherwise it would not be called purple pill debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:00 AM
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The least you could do is actually understand how hypergamy is defined in red pill before speaking on it. Words are used all the time separate rom existing definitions; why did Foucault use the word “discourse” as he does when it already has an unrelated definition? Language evolves in usage, I am not sure what to tell you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:46 AM
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No it’s not. I have been in red pill spaces for 10+ years. Female hypergamy in the red pill describes a mode of female serial monogamy in where they seek out alphas. Alpha in the red pill is not about provision at all, or status relative to the woman. It’s holistic attractiveness status relative to other males. You can even go to the red pill subreddit and it will say this. Everyone posting on PPD is a joke now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:24 AM
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None of you know what female hypergamy in the red pill is, it has nothing to do with provision. All red pill knowledge is dead now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:38 AM
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I gave lots of them a chance when I was also young. Now that I am older I am not inclined to do this (neither am I single). So I do think women give some of them a chance. I don't think these men are "supposed" to do anything. They can keep trying if they want to. I think it is natural for people to want a romantic relationship, so in a vague manner I wish them happiness and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:51 PM
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I mean some men are already like this, they will never LTR with women who are not matched with him. My fiancé is like this, like he would never in a million years date a woman who was uneducated or wasn't in his social class.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:36 PM
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Yes I actively avoid developing friendship with men. Interacting with them professionally is unavoidable but this is largely through email and group calls as I work from home. I do not even see the value in being friends with a man to be quite honest. Most of my hobbies are female-oriented. There is, like, nothing some random male friend can give me that is not surpassed by my female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:49 PM
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Love this for all of us LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:14 PM
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No, because there is no way for me to feel sexually attracted to a man unless I am interacting with him. There needs to be some seducation from his end going on. Also tho, of course I value the life I have with my fiancé and do not want to give this up, but this also has nothing to do with not being able to feel sexual for men I don't respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:10 PM
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I think all other men are retards compared to my own man, so. Also hypergamy is not polyamory? I date hypergamously because it is the only way I'm able to feel attraction to a man. Once I find a man, I close myself off to other men. I have no male friends, I have no close males in my life aside from my family and fiancé.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:03 PM
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I would beg to differ. I've avoided relationships is based off what I've learned about them before we got serious. Doesn't this just fall in line with what I said? "Early in dating." If some guy approaches me, I will not know if he cheated on his previous partners or anything like that. I mean I just do not know him. Anything I assess will be based on his behavior as we are talking and getting to know each other, possibly within the first few dates or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:33 PM
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I think it is impossible for most people to know someone's history as you start dating them, unless they are a public figure with a scrutinized public life. So really in most cases, this decision has to be made based on signs within early dating. You could probably run a background check on a guy to check for DV or any criminal charges, and that is a case in which women should have chosen better, if she saw this and decided to date him anyway. But again I think "you should have chosen better" is…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:28 PM
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Repeated behavior. I can understand choosing one bad guy, maybe two. Choosing a bad man again and again is clearly a personal problem. But "you should have chosen better" is a useless statement to make. It should actually be, "You should choose better."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:13 PM
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Do you guys remember the "High Value Woman Book" guy? Everyone would clown on his retarded e-book because the first paragraph claimed that women chose to get raped, lol. I sometimes wonder what happened to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:59 PM
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Just let them be alone, idgaf about unlovable women and what they think of themselves. A woman who thinks she is too good for the men around her is the only common denominator there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:55 PM
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I cannot date hypogamously because I cannot respect a man that way, which leads to me never feeling sexual for him. Like it just kills any and all attraction if I think he is incompetent and incapable. Red pill hypergamy ("MY man is the king of the world and all other men can fuck off") is necessary for women to maintain attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:52 PM
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Yes I do not disagree that men seek this out for relationships. However this has nothing to do with his sexual attraction to women, and I even said this up above: attraction dynamics; sexual attraction. There is a reason why red pill groups these traits into two categories: sexual value, and relationship value. Men are not attracted to career or status, but it will play a role in how he chooses a wife. This is not attraction, this is pragmatism in life-building.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:24 PM
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It seems like you have your mind made up on what red pill men and women are like; if you cannot understand that they are also humans who feel human emotions and care, then this conversation is pointless. Have a good one!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:12 PM
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That is a personal problem for men to figure out if their will to live and be functioning adults is tied to having a partner. These are the types of men who say stuff like, "I'll kill myself if you leave me!" and expect their partner to shoulder their mental stability. Crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:04 PM
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They were not insane, they were inexperienced men who desperately wanted to be loved. Aside from this, the idea that getting a gf for some time is not some pipeline to his success. There are many men in this subreddit alone who lament that they HAD a gf who cared about him, they fucked it up, and have not been able to date since.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:00 PM
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If the men in that position hypothetically had some mythical angelic girl come into his life for one year and they gave him a little bit of experience, he would even out to a well rounded individual that can navigate properly. No. I have shared my experience with this on the subreddit plenty of times now, that loner depressed "incels" were my type for a lot of my dating years. Lonely, struggling men self-sabotage when they do get into relationships. I was interested in quite a few in my younger …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:51 PM
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Believing in certain attraction dynamics does not mean you do not value or trust your partner, or that you are incapable of caring for them. There is a great deal of individuality that red pill cannot account for; the described sexual nature is more like a theoretical baseline rather then saying "all men/women are only interested in these things." It is incredibly disingenuous for you to presume red pill aligned people treat their partners/spouses as if they are disposable and don't have the hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:43 PM
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Largely I do not think initiative and confidence (I meant this in a seduction, taking charge sort of way) are relevant in male attraction to women. However I do think men are attracted to beautiful, young, thin women. The red pill supposes there is more to female sexual nature than just looks, whereas the main sexual driver for men is how a woman looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:31 PM
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Of course I am. "The wall" is the oldest known concept to women, lol, like we know there is an age at which you attract less men, and these men are more attracted to the next group of young women. The wall can be delayed if you take care of yourself, but every woman reaches this. I do not even believe men have a true "wall" like women do. And yes to all of the other things. Hypergamy, AF/BB, all of it. I do think there is a lot of room for nuance here, like I do not think AWALT means every woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:59 PM
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A lot of TRP has to do with how men could "game" female attraction as it were, and so in decades past, it was mostly men sharing their trial-and-errors of what worked and didn't work. It was a bit like PUA but with evo-pysch rationales. Basically a hobby anthropology club on why men and women sexually selected as they did, with the ultimate goal of actually putting these theories and prescriptions into practice (in whatever way a man was comfortable with) to improve his sexual/romantic outcome. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:43 PM
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The theories posited by TRP and RPW are not really about traditionalism, and a lot of outsiders to red pill get this wrong. Well, lol, some (male) red pillers themselves get this wrong, but they are low IQ and do not deserve to flair themselves red pill. Most of what is in the red pill has to do with attraction dynamics. Women largely do like men who are good looking, confident, and take initiative. It does not say that women naturally want to stay home, and indeed, many of the women who partici…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:02 PM
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From your post, it is not like the more desirable men appreciate her sexual attention either, so this is not really the issue. It’s that the man is not desirable enough to allow women to put up with him not appreciating her. Of course I would never say this is all women or even most women. Just like I would not say most men have nothing of value. What you are actually complaining about is that men who you deem unworthy still want sex. Okay, and what? I would like a job that pays me 5 million per…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:20 PM
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There is no reality in which wives do not take care of their husbands. As I have said before on this subreddit, the standard for what makes a good wife is often higher than what makes a good husband (in my region of the United States and many parts of Asia, idk about other countries). I cannot speak for women who are just want to be “gfs” or only have some desire to casually date around, but women who are wives or want to become wives take joy in taking care of her man. I would not say that men …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:47 PM
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If you want this, either date older or choose men your age who have potential to be this. You are college aged, and you can find men who have good work ethic and are ambitious in their career. My biggest suggestion is to meet as many men as you can, especially while you are finishing undergrad and graduate school. You can ponder standards all you want—ultimately you will not know what kind of man is good for you unless you are meeting them. A man can have all these traits on paper and you still …
/r/RedPillWomen17/07/26 04:17 AM
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I only want to sleep with a man if we have been flirting and he’s hitting on me and we spend some time talking. This tends to happen quickly for me though, like I can feel turned on in the first few days to week or so of us talking. I’ve slept with my bfs on the 2nd or 3rd date lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:33 AM
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Grunting, growling, swearing, dirty talk. Quiet is fine too, it just depends really on what kind of sex we’re having.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:21 AM
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This post does not make sense to me because it presumes men treat Stacy the worst, and they don’t. Stacy gets fawned and simped over; even assumed Stacies on the internet get this treatment (provided she is not in a space full of bitter men). Tbh I do not care if some man treats me neutrally with standard societal politeness vs. “kind from the heart” because I understand people will naturally be nicer to those they want to date. If he stops acting that way with me because I make it known I am no…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:11 AM
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I am not turned on by random men I see in public. I separate thinking “that’s a good looking man” from “I want to sleep with this man.” I can usually see a good looking guy every time I head out in public. I don’t want to sleep with any of them though, not even when I was single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:13 AM
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Dinner mogged yet again. Pork souvlaki, lemon-herb rice, salad, tatziki <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:08 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:22 PM
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Yes, you ruined your chances. He has ghosted you, it is time to move on. Being stuck on one person who you barely know, with whom you never actually shared a relationship, is not healthy for you to dwell on.
/r/RedPillWomen16/07/26 07:09 PM
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I have been more conservative than any man I've dated. They have all leaned liberal, and have had no problem with provision or paying for dates, had strong work ethic, were incredibly intelligent, and were masculine. So really this seems like a personal problem where you think women do not actually want liberal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:37 PM
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Asking 300 women what they want in a husband is a type of study. Sometimes self-reported surveys can hold useful data. If you are asking why social scientists do studies, it's because they are largely conducting these for their graduates studies, on topics they find enjoyable or worth exploration.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:21 PM
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You interact in the real world and stop caring as such. Male and female nature are only theoretical baselines; everyone has some degree of individuality informed by multiple factors including (but not limited to) regional culture, family, education, social class, religion, and simply personal preferences. Interacting in the real world allows us to see these differences and not treat men and women as if we are all governed by AMALT/AWALT. It also requires some self-acceptance that you are also pr…
/r/RedPillWomen16/07/26 05:06 PM
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Yes, I even mentioned that in the list in my original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:02 PM
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I think this discussion is pointless because even the scrawniest man could hold me down and rape me if he wanted to. To be in a relationship with a man is to be in an inherent imbalance, and you trust this man will not hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:57 PM
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It absolutely is related to the topic. You think it is bad when your partners are sexually selective with you lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:30 PM
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I am not. Men like to act dumb when I say this is the case, but they say it all the time that they want want to be the guy who breaks women’s rules lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:10 PM
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I am debating. You said it yourself that it is insulting and untrustworthy that a woman who did something with a previous partner will not do it for you. It feels off. It gives you the impression that they do not care for you. Conversely, a woman who is willing to do something with you that she never let others do before means she cares more. This is not an insult, it’a a favor. It makes you feel good. She is trustworthy. So what does this mean? Men do not want women have sexual boundaries when …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:03 PM
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I do not believe that anyone has conversations with their current partners about being a “living fuck doll for years” for past partners while beginning to date. Because somehow you knew this at the start, when you waited 6 months, right? Lol. People try things with their past partners and decide that they either want to do those things again, or they don’t. Men experience this too with things like cunnilingus, period sex, being a provider, getting married, and having kids. People having boundari…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:54 PM
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Gardening, cooking, crocheting, baking, playing cozy video games, curating my fiancé’s wardrobe, collecting novelty handbags, planning my wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:42 PM
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This is just ESL rambling from a boy who doesn’t understand western dating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:27 PM
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I have never had to ask because I don’t date idiots who can’t see the trash is full. And if my man hears me tying it up because I was going to take it out, he stops what he’s doing and takes over. However if I were to ask, I would expect it done immediately because it means the trash is full and I need to throw something away while cooking dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:20 PM
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Okay so then men cannot claim society lied to them or conditioned them to behave any way around women, since they have eyes and can see and make their own decisions. They choose to do all the things they do; their actions are their responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:10 PM
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They are banned all the time what are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:03 PM
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2nd
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:52 AM
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I actually have never seen or read the play! No, it is not just this battle but the whole era of Caesar to Octavian that interests me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:14 AM
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Above average men usually don't have interest in these women — I am pretty sure the data shows most people mate assortatively wrt to both attractiveness and SES. So the world is functioning as intended!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:23 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:53 PM
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I don’t think they are trying to shame her, as I have never seen this directed to women. I think they are trying to vent in male oriented spaces, kind of like how women vent in female oriented spaces that men are cheap, men just want sex, etc etc. I do not view this as “shaming” those men; it’s that everyone is just complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:32 PM
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I am a woman from the Philippines, and this is going to be repeated ad infinitum on this subreddit The women who want passport bros in my home country are not looking at him for “genuine desire” lol, they are looking at him as the ultimate beta bux and are willing to have sex with him in order to get access to his money. One of the PPBs from this sub tells stories like, he’ll get a gf and they’ll have a sex, and then she will tell him right after that if he stops being fat, he won’t be so unattr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:05 PM
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I knew what I wanted since I was like 19 years old, which was to get married to a good man who will be a great husband and father. I do not date men who don’t approach, as I cannot feel sexual for those men. Thankfully I am getting married soon to the man who fit what I was looking for. There is a guy who posted here last week who left his first marriage cause he didn’t feel like being tied down anymore even after having 2 children. So I guess men also do not know what they want (evidenced by th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:19 PM
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Opium Wars for the meme or possibly the Battle of Actium I am not a feminist tho lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:30 PM
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I am a CIA sex operative and I can confirm that I do, in fact, give my fiancé the Samsung spin cycle 9000 sloppy toppy. In fact I even admire my fat ring while giving him head. It sparkles nicely in the low light, you know? Also that video you linked does not say she doesn’t do it for her husband, or even that she has a husband — or did I miss anything? So I guess this post is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:40 PM
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Would u say they are master baiters? Personally I have thought about this and I think this worth mod discussion. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:05 PM
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“Some days later” is not an English idiom, but maybe it is in French, I don’t know. Ironically you are doing the thing you’re soap-boxing to me for; you cannot even admit that this behavior is not “men” or even all “red pill men.” I can at least admit I have seen this online and that I do not care. I do not think it’s some moral outrage. You are doing God know’s what here. Men watching porn and yet not wanting to date sluts (in whatever way this means for them) is nothing to care about in my opi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:50 PM
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It’s not even like this, it’s more like an amoeba lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:36 PM
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Accountable for what? Having preferences? Thinking some woman is too slutty and getting the ick at her is not some moral issue. Of course I think there are things people should not do, either because it’s a crime or it violates someone else’s autonomy. Complaining about slutty women isn’t one of those things. Just like women complaining about cheap men on dating apps isn’t one of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:57 PM
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It’s not even a personal experience, it’s an entire fiction based on unbelievable scenarios that have never happen in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:49 PM
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You are telling me that men in your area of the world publicly discuss porn with each other at a volume that others can hear, and then a few days later you are around in the same space at the same time as these same men, and then they are talking about all the slutty whorish women they saw on dating apps? Okay, I believe u.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:28 PM
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I do not care if people are hypocrites about their dating and sexual preferences. No one’s preferences are devoid of double standards and hypocrisy. Women do this too. “Men who objectify women are the scum of the Earth!!!” and then post a thirst trap or may even be a sex worker herself. I simply do not care to thought-police people—if some guy thinks a woman on a dating app looks like a slut/whore then whatever, what am I supposed to about this? He goes online into r/ dating and says, “There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:59 PM
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I have never actually seen them lash out to women on dating apps. Also they’d need to match first in order for messaging to be enabled, and they are likely swiping left to begin with. If the OP means that men get online, like on Reddit, and make commentary about slutty women on dating apps, I still do not agree that men “shouldn’t” do this. They are complaining, who cares, women complain all the time too about the men on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:44 PM
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They look at half naked women on OF and Reddit because it’s free and those women are offering their services. That doesn’t mean they have to then find slutty looking women good dating prospects. I have never actually seen “men” get “upset” or angry that women present slutty and/or have near naked thirst traps on dating apps. If there is a response at all, it’s disgust or an ick. I do not even care that they are hypocrites. Nobody has dating standards devoid of double standards or hypocrisy. It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:37 PM
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I do not believe in “should” — I mean people can do anything; asking them to not to feel a certain way about half naked women is no concern of mine. But you are asking why men do this (if they do this, as I have never seen it), and the answer seems really obvious, doesn’t it? They are okay with women who choose sex work because it benefits him when he wants to jerk off, but then he does not want a “slut” or woman who caters to the male sexual gaze when he is now in the position of choosing a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:08 PM
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LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:25 PM
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A man asking me to spit and step on him is such a visceral disgust that I would not see him as masculine anymore. He’s just some blob to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:23 PM
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I am largely “provided” for despite being a high income career woman, and in general it is women in higher socioeconomic groups who can more easily find this simply because they are in the correct demographic of dating men with the means to provide. I also think men can more easily find women who are willing to do more “trad-wife” duties since women tend to do more of this anyway, particularly if they want children. The role of being the primary parent tends to blend together with being the hous…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:18 PM
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Haha yeah I’d do this IF the first time I saw him wasn’t on the date, but after some time of talking. In the grand scheme of things I don’t think it’s that weird. It’s like how people used to meet each other off Yahoo chat rooms or AIM, and then exchange pictures much later. The reason I wouldn’t wait until the first date is because of safety reasons. I used to give my sister my location and the guy’s Facebook/Instagram before a date so someone knew where I was and who I was going to be with jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:01 PM
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3.59 babyyyyyy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:55 AM
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Correct and I will, given that this is a characterization seen and even admired through the ages over a millennia. Don Juan was written in 1630, Don Giovanni was composed by Mozart in 1787, even the term “Casanova” for a charming, seductive man is based on a real Italian man from the 18th century who romanced hundreds of women across Europe. The archetype of seductive and charming men even persisted into the 20th century with characters like James Bond. I mean how can you look throughout history…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:46 PM
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I think you are flat out wrong about men not seducing women or having never been in these roles; some of the earliest mythology includes male gods wooing, charming and seducing women into sleeping with them, and somehow you think this is a gendered role? LMAO like zero grip on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:37 PM
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Okay if you think womanizers just stand there and that this definition does not include charm and seduction, you are ESL or just too young to understand how heterosexual attraction dynamics function.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:25 PM
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How do you think they are successful with women? They are habitual flirts, charmers, and seducers. Like you think they just stand there and not flirt and women flock to them? LMAOOO.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:20 PM
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What you are describing on the female side is not seduction. It’s coyness. When we think of seduction, this is not gendered and has never been gendered. Figures like Don Juan have existed for centuries; womanizers have existed for centuries and even millennia. The great Julius Caesar is widely regarded as a womanizer. The opposite to this is a female seductress, we typically think of femme fatales like Cleopatra (tho not historically accurate), and Black Widow. Who tf told you that men were neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:16 PM
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This already happens irl, and if you are arguing that accusing someone of cheating should be treated like some grand crime, then lock up all the women who go through their boyfriend's/husband's phones too. These are such inconsequential actions; realistically if a man doubts the paternity of his child, he is not going to be shouting this from the top of the world. He is going to handle it discreetly until there is proof. Simply asking for a paternity test or getting it behind your spouse's back …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:08 PM
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I mean you cannot. You can't and it's not your job to. They are fundamentally different from you because they are allosexual and alloromantic men. Asking why allosexual people cannot just turn that off is like asking hetero people why they can't just be gay. It's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:38 PM
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I honestly don't understand why there are so many strategies for men to get a date and attract women. Because they want to date and attract women, lol. They have normal attraction to the opposite sex and feel the urge to partner with them. This subreddit is for debating heterosexual dating/attraction and gender dynamics; if this is not you, why are you here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:31 PM
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Yeah seriously, the guy can get a DNA test all on his own, and there is no reason to punish men who do this. Calling for divorce and zero custody as a "punishment" is not accurate. It could be a consequence and women should consider it an option, but like, a criminal penalty? How would the logistics of this even work?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:01 PM
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I will change this question to Q4RP since you are clearly looking for a "discussion" in where your opinion is validated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:47 PM
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Yeh well they are retards so what they think holds absolutely zero weight to me. They are like cockroaches or something, barely even human. The idea that the state can override a married couple's feelings and enforce things like divorce and zero custody as a punishment is a silly idea. Some couples may not want to be divorced at all or will value a two-parent household more than a false paternity accusation, so these things are not fitting criminal penalties if you cannot enforce it across the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:21 PM
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Yeah, sure, I'm not saying you cannot do this. I'm saying you cannot control people finding that weird. It's like women who are not actually interested in some hobby spaces but engage with them in order to get male attention. It's perceived as cringey.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:12 PM
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Who cares that he asked for a paternity test, there should be no criminal penalty for this. Fine him for the measly cost of a DNA test if you want. If his wife was smart, she'd divorce him and let him pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:08 PM
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I mean, in general you should be joining hobby groups BECAUSE you yourself enjoy that hobby or want to participate in that hobby. That's really the only reason anyone should ever join a hobby meetup. So if that prerequisite is not met, any other reason—including wanting to ask women out—will be perceived as odd, maybe even disruptive or desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:54 PM
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If a guy is joining hobby meetups because he enjoys them and thinks it will be a good chance to meet women, isn't that him just living his life? Unless you mean that men are joining hobby meetups when they have no actual interest in the hobby, and are there just to hit on women, then yes that will be seen as weird. Men also do not take kindly to women invading their hobbies just for male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:43 PM
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I hope everything goes well!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:41 PM
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Yeah girl it was bad, LOL. Like the first date was her flying to his country unannounced to surprise him, she was making plans living in his country for 3 months and then her country for 3 months. They had started talking on July 6, so only 8 days ago. Just a whole mess. 😭
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/26 02:08 PM
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You will have to wait some time either way, so you have to manage your anxiety anyway. “My man needs to propose faster so that my emotions are regulated and I can behave femininely” is not a good thing to say about the ability to manage yourself. A man who wants to propose will do it even if you’ve moved in, even if he is paying the vast majority of the bills. If he doesn’t follow through, it is up to you to leave a relationship if you feel like a man is stringing you along.
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/26 01:34 PM
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I agree, get rid of those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:08 PM
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You both agree on a regular cadence of cleaning and tidying up? Like have none of you ever lived with a partner or what? I do almost all the cleaning in my house, but we talked about what cadence makes sense for our house given that there is a cat and a dog who live here. Even if it’s not “dirty,” the house gets cleaned every weekend to reduce allergens and keep the space tidy. It also reduces friction between us when we have a clean home. The things I do not want to do are paid for by my fiancé…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:49 PM
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Why would you wait for things to get dirty instead of doing regular maintenance? Like somehow men can understand the concept of regular maintenance on cleaning and detailing his vehicle, but not his house? If I waited for things to be visibly dirty before cleaning my house, everyone who steps foot beyond its doors will be sneezing from dog and cat fur/dander. That’s disgusting and now it takes longer to clean. But hey, I tell women to either find a man who is willing to clean, or will pay for so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:33 PM
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“Men” collectively do not have low standards—the ones who have standards are thriving and in happy marriages. But you should be honest. Men with low standards don’t find meaning and purpose in being used. They find meaning in getting a crumb of pussy. They have low standards BECAUSE they view relationships as an easy means to sex. So that is all they care about. If they cared about more, they’d have higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:11 PM
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You are 37 years old and decided to engage in a full blown relationship with a 19 year-old teenager after only 1-2 days of talking? (As you made it official on the second day). Respectfully, I think the cultural differences are the least of your worries here.
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/26 04:44 AM
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Even without the need to save up, he may need time for other reasons. A busy time with work, wanting to buy a marital home around the time he proposes, planning how he will propose, maybe something else? Proposals are not a light decision for a man. What is the risk you are afraid of?
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/26 04:39 AM
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I don’t think women are necessarily emotionally self-reliant; it’s that we form closer support networks than men do. So we are not actually emotionally alone. We just regulate romantic loneliness better due to that support network. And resilient… I don’t know. Women attempt suicide at a rate like double that of men or something like that. That is not really resilience to me. However I do think women just do not feel the weight of romantic singleness as much as men. When I was single for 4 years …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:51 AM
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Come over for dinner anytime bb 🙂‍↕️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:16 AM
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Thank you!!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:05 AM
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Your dinner 🙂‍↕️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:00 AM
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Dinner mogged: salad with chicken, shakshuka and scratch made French bread <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:58 AM
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No no no you don't understand, some rando who has never dated men before KNOWS what kinds of men women should partner with. (It's him, he wants women to lower their standards to fuck him)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:17 PM
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He gave you a timeline already. What do you think will happen if you rush him? If you press the issue in order to force him, it will come off like nagging. If being engaged is important to you before moving in, then tell him that. But don't phrase it like, "Propose earlier because that's the only way I'll move in with you." If he is as good of a leader as you say he is, he will follow through with his timeline to propose to you. Consider that he may want time to make it special for you. Either s…
/r/RedPillWomen13/07/26 09:38 PM
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That is the nature of female hypergamy. “MY man is the king of the world and all other man are icky gross and can fuck off.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:55 PM
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Interesting that the OP has not replied to this lol. And you are correct, it was what he said initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:54 PM
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I live in the American South; this is one of the most heavily obese places in the United States lol. Seeing obese men even throughout high school and into adulthood is not uncommon. Weight is just not something that is a hard stop on what is attractive or not to me. Attractiveness is subjective and I am going to state my opinion when the OP calls this man "handsome" is if it proves anything. It's a debate subreddit. The other women in this thread are calling him average. Even the other men in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:35 PM
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Yeah girl me too LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:26 PM
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There is some kind of emo/scene girl to girly-girl pipeline. I cannot prove it exists, but I knOW IT’S THERE.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:11 PM
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I find it interesting how generational knowledge of male nature has all but disappeared. 10+ years ago on RPW, it was known that men wanted to cheat. Even if he didn't follow through, he wanted to. Of course women still wanted a man who wouldn't cheat, but it was not foreign knowledge that given the opportunity to fuck beautiful young women, men desired to cheat. And then we have young men today who will justify gooning for hours at porn, having his fill of sexual variety even while partnered, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:54 PM
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He is unattractive to me. I never said I don’t find anyone unattractive. This one just is. I’ve found like 300 lbs obese men attractive and had crushes on them. This guy is just unattractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:47 PM
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He is just not my type, I cannot put my finger on it, he is just unattractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:59 PM
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It’s so bad that it comes full circle to being good. Like it’s unintentional comedy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:19 PM
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This subreddit started in 2013 as a debate subreddit between red v. blue pill ideology —“red pill” here being the evo-psych attraction dynamics and dating prescriptions found in r/TheRedPill. The pill tag is required so as to prevent circle jerking from PPD members who are not part of the target group; it would defeat the purpose of “Question For Red Pill” if all the top independent comments were from Blue Pillers or Pink Pillers or what have you. Over time this subreddit has blended into a gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:40 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:30 PM
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I find the man in that video immensely unattractive. I slept with my fiancé on our second or third date or something like that, he is not tall or muscular but very attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:09 PM
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The reason I think it is, is because I have never in my life encountered this on the internet until the last few years — even when the red pill term “AWALT” was talked about, everyone knew it did not mean literally every single woman who has ever lived in history “was like that.” We are talking about broad patterns that apply to female behavior, in where it is reasonable and expected to assume there are outliers and exceptions. And then the ESL and autistic people came along and talking about ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:51 PM
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Okay then let me edit this since I have to account for the absurd levels of autistic literalism in this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:27 PM
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No one is ever talking in absolutes, even your OP can be negated by saying there is existence of women who are not given leeway, or men who are given more leeway for jealousy, particularly if they’re Muslim or non-Western or fundamentalist Christian or some shit. So now your OP is wrong, isn’t it? The fact of the matter is that angry jealous men are viewed as violent because they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:23 PM
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Men do this at extraordinary rates higher than women do. Women will destroy the PC or Xbox but men just get to beating and killing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:19 PM
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Because when women get jealous the typical worst they do is key his car or pop the tires. The worst men typically do when jealous is abuse and homicide. Men do this at much higher rates than women since they are much more violent than women, and this will be viewed with more suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:17 PM
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Well if you cannot figure it out, hope is lost for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:45 PM
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I think it is disgusting for men to treat women like sex dispensers and shows how very little interest they actually have in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:09 PM
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Because I am describing him for the incels here reading who will inevitably ask me how tall he was to verify that he was a “beta.” This is not the first time I’ve told this story; I’ve been around on this subreddit for 4, almost 5, years. Edit: also in English, order of successive adjectives follows a rule where size is listed first, native English speakers do this intuitively.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:06 PM
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This is what I was responding to which is why your point is confusing and should be better articulated in your OP: > She's done experimenting, or relying on vibes or "giving a guy a chance", she either wants casual sex with a top tier guy or a relationship with a stable oofy doofy or beta buxxer. Women say this themselves in a roundabout way with "women are embarrassed about the loser they dated when they were 19" I did not give that guy a chance, I found him cute as I was the one who pursued hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:01 PM
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Your argument is AFBB — whereas I started off dating “betas” and being interested in depressed incel types, and ended up partnering with more attractive and better quality men as I got older. That is the opposite of AFBB.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:36 PM
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I was embarrassed by the loser I was dating at 19 because he was a short League of Legends playing lonely guy who cheated on me the first chance he got despite being a religious Catholic man who supported us waiting until marriage lol. I did a reverse beta buxx?? Had progressively hotter and better quality men as dates/LTRs until I found my husband lol. The joys of raising standards. Anyway you are right but for the wrong reasons. As you get older past average first time marriage age, the pool o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:29 PM
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I think some themes between men and women have clear differences. Ravishment aka “rape fantasy” from some hot guy is not the same fantasy as men watching schoolgirl loli hentai. I also think the video format of men’s porn is questionable. But if men were to read step-whatever manga or erotica, that’s whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:08 PM
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Most men lack traits that would make them good husbands and fathers. I find a large chunk of men physically attractive (most of them could be sexually attractive to me), but they have poor life competency. On top of this, a lot of men are too showy to the point they lack substance, and it becomes obvious they’re trying to impress me by treating me like every other woman, rather than earnestly getting to know me. They are also sex obsessed to the point where they are willing to choose a woman the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:00 AM
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I literally feel no sexual attraction to contextless naked men. Zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:36 AM
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My standards got higher as I grew older.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:34 AM
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70/30 is not a provider lol, you are splitting bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:32 AM
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Okay let me know when you are able to read information like “most couples split bills and most households are dual income”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:27 AM
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The woman who posted it was not even the woman on the date with the man. So there is actually no rejection handling going on here. It was her best friend who answered someone’s question of why she no longer chooses to date lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:24 AM
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Right so you admit that men innately have poor morals and lie. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:22 AM
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We will agree to disagree. I think the most men are porn addicted and incapable of conducting themselves in an LTR. They do not value women except for sex, and we know this due to men admonishing women for wanting to wait to have sex—they project male sexuality onto women and treat women as broken for not having indiscriminate male sexual behavior. The only reason I am with a man is because my parents taught me to look for high quality men all my life and never settle for a man who tells me he e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:21 AM
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“My” middle class social circles. Middle class is the modifier here. I am taking about my social circles. Verifiably most women do not expect to be kept women because most women are working, and most couples split bills lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:16 AM
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No, it’s because men are not actually interested in women, they are interested in a hole to fuck and are willing to lie to get it. Even the men who are incels admit they want to be “Chad” so they can do this. Of course I do think there are good men, but they are far and few between. I do not think most men are good for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:11 AM
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Which would make him a liar, and the whole reason why the woman posted it saying she does not see men are worth dating. The woman who posted it was not even the one on the date, it was her best friend who said, “this is why I no longer date.” Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:06 AM
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That is just proving my point that men do not care about dating, they care about hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:55 PM
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Most women in the west do not expect providers, full stop. I never said my salary was normal. I said women—middle class and up—not expecting providers was normal. Rewind and read better next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:51 PM
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They didn’t even hook up, he took her on a date and said he had a great time on the date. And then said he expects her to fuck him. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:49 PM
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Bro I literally have the audio pulled up and he said he had a great time on the first date LMAO what are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:46 PM
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He was not honest. If her were honest, he’d have said “I expect early sex” before any dates. But men do not do this and we all know why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:57 PM
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Okay so why did he not relay that he expects her to fuck right when they started talking? It’s because men know if they are honest, women will not agree to go on a date with them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:55 PM
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I do not EXPECT that men pay for a date, smart one, I said I like when they do so. I cook 100% of the meals in my household, do most of the cleaning, and give my fiancé sloppy toppy and nasty sex whenever he wants it, so there is no hypocrisy going on here. Just you being mad and sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:51 PM
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I am a woman who likes to fuck early, and the voice message was the single most autistic thing I’ve ever listened to in my life, it’s well beyond sloppy. He literally says, “What would be the point in me coming over if we’re not going to fuck?” The problem here is not the rejection. I’ve had lots of guys reject me. The woman who posted it )who was not the woman involved with the man, btw, it was her best friend) said “This is why I don’t date anymore”—making a statement that men in 2026 view dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:50 PM
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Very few women expect to be kept women and have sole providers. That is some fantasy that has not existed in the West for the last 50 years. Even my Gen X parents who come from a more traditional leaning third world country split the bills, and my father was never a sole provider. Women who expect phone bills, car notes, rent, insurance, utilities and subscriptions paid for are low rent gold diggers. You are talking about poors. I make 140k/yr and have never in my life expected a man to pay for …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:18 PM
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Here is what the Red Pill says about men: Male Sexual Nature, Red Pill Women Male ephebephiliac polygyny--A mouthful. Let's unpack it. If Men existed in a universe where fully formed, hot 16-18 year old girls with long, silky hair and .7 hip-waist ratios grew out of the ground without agency, wants, needs and desires of their own and without families to care for and protect them, men would kill each other to collect as many of them as possible--replacing them with new ones as the older ones cycl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:28 PM
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Him being a combat veteran in Iraq is not really the bad part here, it's that he got a Nazi tattoo and is an alleged rapist and abuser. No one is forcing you to stay the way you are. Go and get a yourself a Hitler tattoo, go out and rape women, and then date. Report back on your findings (preferably to the police as well!).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:16 PM
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I have a fiancé so of course I will be bothered by other men making romantic and sexual advances toward me. My man is the king of the world and most other men are ants compared to him. So this feeling is not a general feeling toward "men" — it's a feeling toward men who are not my man or generally not part of my family and close social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:52 PM
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“Nice Girl” already has a definition and it is similar to the male version; a woman who acts nice because she thinks it will lead to a date/relationship, and then gets mad when it doesn’t. There is a whole subreddit dedicated to them already. What you are talking about is a bait and switch, not a Nice Girl. I suspect this is some sort of ESL mistake or lack of knowledge. And once she has done it she stops knowing her partner now can't leave her. Huh? Men can divorce their wives. In fact it is ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:03 PM
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These feelings are not contradictory, that a woman is REALLY into her bf/husband, and bothered by every other man. I mean that’s what red pill hypergamy is — it’s seeing your man as the best and all the other men can fuck off. In fact, men even PREFER that his woman feels this way. There is no good that will come from a woman enjoying all men’s advances. Generally men want to see you respect him, your family, your shared community, and all other men can fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:54 PM
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Moving the goal posts and personal attacks! Sshhh, I believe u honey it’s okay,
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:42 PM
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One of my coworkers recently came out as mtf trans and we all (including their wife and teenage children) view this as unintentional. The couple in the post remaining amicable is the best case scenario for their everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:36 PM
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Okay well that is outside the scope of this debate. I don’t really care why the time limitations exist, only that there IS a way to disestablish paternity or seek justice for rape. And there are. You are free to obtain your JD and PhD tho, and start a new venture into family law practice to understand why these time limitations are in place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:42 AM
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Sure. But you are arguing that men should be able to sue, but they already can. You are arguing that they should be able to walk away, and there is already a way for them to do this. You arguing using a woman who does not come forward within the statute of limitations for rape does not change my mind. She also needs to operate within that time span if she wants something to be done about it. It’s sad if she doesn’t come forward, but she had the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:27 AM
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They don’t have to be unaware when the option is right there in front of them. Again, you are telling me that men care this much but do not want to get the paternity test done themselves? Also a man can already sue in civil court for financial and emotional damages for paternity fraud. He will have to prove the mothers knowingly concealed the child’s true paternity from him in order to commit fraud. Men have the knowledge to paternity test the moment they start cumming in women’s holes. There is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:19 AM
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There is virtually nothing stopping him from doing it the day after that baby is born. You are telling me that men are so concerned about paternity but cannot even muster up the motivation to get a DNA test done within the first 5 years of a child’s life? (Which is when most of the time windows end). The DNA test will have to happen anyway to prove he’s not the father. These men who are so concerned about paternity just don’t care enough to test early or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:10 AM
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You told a woman to kill herself (two of them actually) because her husband was tall. No one should take you seriously on this subreddit. You will end up deleting this post anyway like you delete all your other posts. I find it ironic that you are asking whywomen have negative opinions of men, and in that survey you linked, one of the given reasons was that those women felt men felt the same way about them. And here you are, telling women to kill themselves, and you are wondering why a third of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:05 AM
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Married men can already disestablish paternity. Like the day that baby is born, the father can get a DNA test done by himself and send it off. If the baby is yours, take that secret to your grave. If it’s not, get a lawyer and you do not have to pay child support. Like… there is already a way out… Unmarried fathers don’t need to do this, as they have no paternity obligations unless the mother goes through the court to get a DNA test in order to establish paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:59 AM
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Women pointing out the existence of misogyny is not hating men. Why do you hate women? You tell everyone that you think women should be brought under Islamic rule because Muslims control their women, and you have wished death upon multiple women for having husbands who are taller than them. Answer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:32 AM
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Yes? Go on FetLife and shit, there are lots of uggos who find each other sexually attractive and have freaky sex. Older men going for gold diggers know this is a transaction. This “coworker” suddenly turning into “boss” makes this 100000% more believable, I believe u.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:22 AM
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I 100% believe your beautiful young coworker has named this man in her phone as “shortlet” rather than just ignoring him as most young women do. This description is all very realistic, obviously. Yes, the reward for rich undesirable men is casual relationships with gold diggers; the exchange is entirely transactional and they know what it is the other wants. If they are 2 consenting adults, no one should care what these people do. Alternatively maybe they are lucky to date a woman while young. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:15 AM
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No, I am talking about this retarded notion that only the top 1% men can inspire true desire. The subreddit has the definition of black pill which is not just that “looks matter the most”; I will not even engage in this conversation with someone who does not know the history of black pill. It is looks fatalism, genetic determinism, and the OP’s rhetoric falls within as per subreddit definition and rules which has been around since 2013.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:05 AM
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Yes it is, I am correct. It’s just retarded lookism shit. I as around when the first black pill spaces popped up on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:59 AM
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Men are not attracted to wealth, it’s that (certain) men choose long term partners pragmatically based on what the best fit is for him. The type of men who choose women in a higher social or socioeconomic class typically belong to those classes themselves, and they choose spouses with social and educational capital—women who reflect well on him in his social and professional circles. The men who do not see this are simply not in a high enough class. For that matter, women are not “attracted” to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:54 AM
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It’s not sexually attractive. But I looked for a man in my socioeconomic group. I wanted a husband who shared my financial goals, money sense and habits, and desire for financial security. Additionally we are both Type A people when it comes to finances, so generally we wanted a setup where only one of our incomes could sustain the monthly expenses, in case anything happened to either of us. Sickness, freak accident, something bad during child birth, etc. Why is this news to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:23 AM
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He’s believes in black pill shit, it’s just some guy who believes that women are only sexually attracted to Chads, the 1% or whatever he believes. It’s black pilled baby brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:08 AM
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Your claim is that most women do not enjoy sex, even with their partners, because you think if she really desired him then she would have had sex with him just because, no other bond needed. What you are complaining about is that most women are not indiscriminate in our sexual behavior, and you are projecting male sexuality onto us because that’s what YOU would do; you’d have sex just because and not require any other bond to act on your sexual desire. Male sexuality is not the default, and if I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:03 AM
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This is one of the most severely undersocialized possibly autistic things I’ve ever read on this subreddit. Enjoying the act of sex with someone does not mean you are willing to have sex with anyone and everyone just because. “Women don’t like sex because they’ve never given me sex” ahh post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:37 PM
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Unnecessary gendered claim. Both sexes select for some “shallow” traits because they want qualities in a partner that are attractive, duh. This is a personal problem if you (general) cannot find a man who values you for non-shallow traits. One common denominator there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:50 PM
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I knew I wanted to be someone's wife as early as, like, 19 years old. Being a mom was much more in the air. I thought having kids would be nice but it didn't feel like some burning need, so I'd always thought that if I didn't have kids, things would still be okay. Then I turned 27 and I started to get really intense baby fever, and I knew I would not be able to have a life without children. I don't think this is anything like "seeing the light." I think what we want is influenced by the stage of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:11 PM
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Please give me honeymoon location recommendations!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:55 PM
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This will just balance out to "average." I took the OP meaning "below average" to mean holistically, since looks posts are not allowed on the main sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:23 PM
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I would not classify this as below average, holistically a man with decent financial resources will balance out to being average. Unless you and the OP are speaking just about looks in reference to "below average."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:20 PM
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Plenty of average men have hookups and happy relationships in their home countries if they want it. Below average men do not even have the funds to be passport broing lol. Like true bottom tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:07 PM
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I know like how the fuck does that make sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:44 PM
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Couples in the west are paired up like this too. You will find a lot of average couples, even young ones, just out and about. You are not even living in the west so you wouldn’t know. My guy. You are from INDIA and live in INDIA. What would you know about western dating? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:34 PM
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I think he cannot be a ‘cel because the other chick is into him. He’s a Nice Guy with oneitis. That being said, there was some discussion last week about whether men who previously had gfs or even wives can be ‘cels, and the Daily Thread consensus was yes. And I have also had crushes in the past on men who considered themselves incels. So female interest is, imo, sometimes not a good indicator of a what makes a ‘cel. But I still don’t think the main character is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:37 PM
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They don’t need to be rewarded with sex. It’s that sex is the way these men (and some women tbh) feel loved and wanted and cared for. When my fiancé and I do not have sex, I am more easily irritable and short and snippy. It’s not that I am punishing him, it’s just some natural response kind of like when I am tired or exhausted or stressed. This is not me forcing him to have sex. I would like if we have sex, and I’m happier with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:45 AM
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No, no at all. A woman who is not romanced and dated also often is grumpy and distant. If these women are not romanced and taken out on dates, does that mean they care more about dates and being payed for more than emotional connection? Of course not. It means this is the method through which they feel emotional connection, and the same is true of men (and women) who feel love through sex. A lot of women, for whatever reason, are unable or unwilling to understand that sex and love and attraction…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:36 AM
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Okay. I mean, this is not my experience in dating men. I also view sex as a form of emotional maintenance. A man rejecting sex constantly would also make me feel unloved and unattractive. But if that is your experience, you are welcome to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:13 AM
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I have changed your post flair to Debate, since you are arguing an affirmative. I said this on another thread a couple weeks ago, but I think it’s reasonable for a person to “expect” sex in a relationship in the same way that one would “expect” emotional connection and romantic maintenance. Dates, quality time and such. Would you frame this as women expecting service from men? In my experience men “behave” better and are more open to emotional connection when they are getting regular sex. They’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:01 PM
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You did not factually recount what happened. You are interpreting this through your lens of what you think happened. But okay. Here are the moderator logs. Remember that you are the one who asked for this. July 6, 2026 - "Misaligned Flair and Title" where you were told to repost as Debate, not a Discussion. June 6, 2026 - "Misaligned Flair and Title" where you are arguing that women are mean to men, so you were told that leading questions are not appropriate to post for Q4X, and to repost as a D…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:10 PM
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Your posts do not get removed for being biased, and I can bring forward the moderator logs of your rejected posts if you would like public proof. You did include your opinion. Right here: She obviously feels like she is in the right. Her happiness is more important than the vows they took [...] Meanwhile, I think it is safe to assume that she probably was a huge proponent of them getting married. And she is putting the most emphasis on her happiness - not anyone else's. You left in snippets of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:20 PM
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Yes I watched the whole thing—the OP chose not to include that vital information because he knew it would make the woman's actions seem justified (which they are). A marriage only works if both parties care about the marriage. A man who is hiding bills, not communicating finances, and getting the family car repossessed is not a man who cares about a marriage. He does not care for his family. He is actively sinking the ship and expects his wife to go down with him. And then her soon-to-be ex has …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:36 PM
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People who don't eat vegetables, or people who lose interest at it? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:20 PM
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It is, in my opinion, that women in happy marriages are happier than single women, but both these groups are happier than women in poor marriages. I don’t think it’s shocking that women are unhappy after divorce—I mean, you are mourning the loss of a relationship. Over time, these feelings stabilize into being happy, self-sufficient and self-reliant. Typically it is divorced men who seek to remarry more than divorced women, so I don’t think divorced women are also unhappy without a partner long …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:05 PM
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My fiancé has always wanted to get married (within his life). He would not start a family without it, and neither would I, but mostly a marriage is deeply meaningful to the both of us. Like, actively choosing to honor each other and all we have accomplished together. A marriage for us is not really “getting what we want from each other” as if it were a utility. Re: making it legal, there are some benefits there about naming each other next of kin, making each other your beneficiary of inheritanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:55 PM
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I love mutual flirting and mutual love bombing, lol. I want physical escalation from his side because men taking initiative and being assertive makes him (more) desirable to me. If I lose interest in a man, it could be for any number of reasons. Maybe he didn’t escalate, maybe he wasn’t fun to talk to, maybe I discovered some incompatible value. I once had a guy tell me he does not eat any vegetables outside of aromatics (onion, garlic), and it made me lose interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:48 PM
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OP, you must participate in your own debate thread otherwise it will be removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:16 PM
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OP, you must engage in your own debate thread as per debate thread rules. Failing to do so will get your thread removed. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:56 AM
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I work from home, he goes into the office. He keeps the house tidy and he’s not messy, but because I am the one at home, it just makes sense for me to do things like laundry and cooking food and cleaning the lizard habitat and whatever else. I also don’t think it’s fair if he comes home from work and the commute home, and I demand the he makes dinner out of some weird conviction to keep things strictly 50/50 even though he needs the time to decompress and I do not. That’s not how I prefer to beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:00 AM
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We work the same hours per week, we both work overtime as needed as we both work in tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:22 AM
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You are only saying this because you are not red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:33 PM
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Simply, it is not our policy to disclose when other users have or have not been moderated. There is nothing to answer there because it does not concern you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:04 PM
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I do not know what is going on here to be honest — my Mod Mail message to the RPW sub also disappeared for them / appeared not to be sent, so this is likely some internal Reddit issue. As I said before, we have no recent messages from you; the last one we received was May 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:56 PM
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What date did you send this? I am searching your username in Mod Mail, and the last message we have from you is May 30. This message does not exist for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:42 PM
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Thank you! I feel very lucky in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:54 PM
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I am like your wife — between my fiancé and me, I do all the cooking and a majority of the cleaning because I do it better and faster. To me this just makes sense. There is no point in making us both suffer through 3 hours of waiting to have dinner (lol), when I can get it done in half the time or even less. I mean that's just the reality of living with someone, right, you pick and assign responsibilities based on what you're good at. We are both high earners, though he makes more than I do, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:55 PM
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Because, from my observations, the standards of what makes a good wife/mother are often higher than what makes a good husband/father. In the grand scheme of things, I think more is expected of wives and mothers, both in marriage and if they are co-parenting and divorced. See: the thread below this one about how women see single dads, in where the OP considers himself a single dad because he has biweekly weekend visitation, but when suggested that he would pair better with single mothers, he goes…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:32 PM
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I am not jealous of men's dating life, I am jealous of their married and family life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:54 PM
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Okay so find it hard to believe, it doesn’t erase my experiences. Men always talk about how they value young and beautiful women and that ugly women are only good for pump and dump. Even the incels here say that. So that is straight from men, backed up by men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:33 PM
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I literally told you I was rejected by obese like 300lbs men lol. You know my life better than me or what? Date like I wanted = I wanted to date, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:30 PM
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Lmaooo try again. When I was fat and ugly, zero men wanted to date me. And then when I got my glow up, suddenly even the obese men who rejected me before wanted to take me out. There’s no “chad chasing” going on—that’s a retarded fantasy delusion made up by men on this subreddit to insult women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:22 PM
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Lol so then he’s not a “single dad.” He’s a babysitter weekend dad (every other weekend too) which is somehow worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:07 PM
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Men treat women like we are dysfunctional because we do not have male type sexuality, and then whine and cry about not getting attention. Women are nowhere near as indiscriminate in our sexual behavior as men. Yet men want women to act like men with regard to sex, and it’s completely delusional. It comes off like men do not respect women as people who are different from them, and men fundamentally do not like anything about women except for the fact that he wants to cum inside her holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:06 PM
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Even despite the coddling, at some point you need to take accountability for your success in life. I had helicopter parents who undersocialized me, and they told me a nice man would come along and love me no matter what I looked like (LOL). I fixed the stuff so I could have a normal life and date like I wanted to. I cannot even imagine being some of these men who believe their parents when they said shit like that, like at some point you really have to question their life analytical skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:45 PM
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The background of a person tells you what cultural milieu and knowledge base they come from, which is relevant to understanding their argument, and whether they are making bad faith arguments (which is often).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:26 PM
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Then you’re an exception lol, that doesn’t make it the rule. I had to explain to five billion bitchless childless men on the last paternity thread that no unmarried father is “put on a birth certificate” and that the mother cannot go through the legal system to get child support from him without a DNA test to establish paternity. Like I said, it is never married men with kids who scream into the void about how an unmarried woman is going to falsely list him as being the fake father LOL. It’s bun…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:31 PM
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Personally I would try to avoid dating a single dad. I would cut things off right when he told me has kids. I might make an exception IF the mother was no longer in the picture, like he was a widower or she was a deadbeat. Navigating the co-parent can sometimes be difficult as the new girlfriend, especially when the relationship gets more serious, and I don’t want to deal with that. I also don’t think I’m equipped to handle that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:24 PM
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Because when I press, they tell me LMAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:16 PM
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It’s always chronically single, sexless, bitchless, childless unmarried men who have the loudest takes on paternity and prenups, and the hilarious part is they they often do not know what they are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:26 AM
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I do not know if you know this, but a prenup still has to generally follow equitable split of assets according to your state. One party cannot say “I get everything and you get nothing” in a prenup; no judge will approve that. The prenup is just to say how assets and debt will be divided, saving time from to having to hash it out during divorce proceedings and making it longer. Prenups are also amended via postnups if the terms significantly change, like if one of you becomes very suddenly wealt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:33 PM
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Second
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:20 PM
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Men are like this, they demand full custody to pay less child support, but then they can NEVER handle the responsibility of being a parent lol. Bunch of bozos lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:14 PM
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Some of my preferences overlap. Like a man who is financially secure, competent, takes initiative, and is a leader. A lot of my sexual attraction to a man hinges on whether I can respect him (where respect = deeply value and admire). These traits are necessary for my respect and to see him as a competent man. The other traits like needing to be 6ft+ or being peak fitness, or high status in a room full of other men, or the ability to sleep with tons of women—don’t give a shit. Not even relevant t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:13 PM
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I know he means now, but I think the argument that he (and the OP) are repeating that history of marriage is about protection is silly. People got married well before communal property or equitable distribution split was the norm in divorce. Also I think they do not realize that a prenup does not mean one spouse can say, "I get everything in the event of divorce." No judge is going to approve that prenup; it still has to follow some "fair" split, and I'm not sure these dudes know this, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:55 PM
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Are u gonna delete this thread too, u do that a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:42 PM
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Inheritance can be made through writing wills through lawyers too. People who are unmarried do that and are able to give their wealth to specific person after their death. Inheritance without established family kinship are subject to exorbitant taxes. Why do u need the approval of government to tie your lives together tho Because the government is in charge of collecting census data and analyzing this lol? A government has a vested interest in the trends regarding its citizens. It is also to tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:34 PM
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What laws are you talking about? Even in the 17-1800s, divorce favored men because they owned most of the assets, and you left what you came in with. The legal requirement of having a marriage license was already well practiced at this time. Like, a marriage license was required even in colonial America. The concept of communal property or that marital assets should be split either equally or equitably was not a thing until the mid 20th century. Seriously, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:12 PM
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The institution of marriage involves the state because it's a declaration of what happens to your shit and who it goes to. This is seemingly what the OP is not understanding, and neither do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:55 PM
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People do not get into marriages thinking about divorce and protection the event of separation, lol. They get married because they are ready to tie their whole lives together and are thinking about making each other automatically next of kin. Marriage has always been about the legality of kinship and inheritance in the event of severe injury or death, and wanting your spouse (and children) to get this. The people who say that people get married out of protection have been married exactly zero (0…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:41 PM
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Speaking it out loud is seen as a bit strange, and women get the same reactions if they talk about how everything they do in life serves the goal of finding a man. I knew I was ready to be settled down by the time I was like 19 years old, and I always knew I wanted to be a mother. These were goals that I knew I wanted to achieve in life, but these were not even the main goals. They are equally weighted with things like my academic and professional pursuits, creative pursuits, and that's because …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:02 PM
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No, I am right. Males crave sexual variety and this is why they watch porn even while in monogamous relationships where they have complete access to one exclusive woman. Men are polygynous creatures. Everyone in the history of the world knows this. The male strategy is to impregnate as many women as possible to be sexually successful. It’s in direct opposition to female sexual imperative, which is to find one high quality male.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:57 PM
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No one who has ever interacted with men believes this. Even the red pill does not agree with this lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:49 PM
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Yeah I dunno bro, my dad told me I could be a world famous superstar when they enrolled me in singing lessons at 8 years old lol. Obviously you are supposed to recognize when things are said to be platitudes rather than real advice. Anybody who cannot recognize this is socially stunted and like I said, probably retarded. Btw I chose a moderate lifestyle in where I am the homemaker on top of working LMFAO. My fiancé is just not a complete bozo and he’s so worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:00 PM
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My dad told me growing up that I could be anything I wanted to be with hard work. I’d have to be completely retarded to actually believe that going into my teen years hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:43 PM
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Wide and fast access to porn, and you proved it by saying last 20 years lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:31 PM
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We have men who post on this sub every week who hate hookup culture but think women’s bodies belong to men because their brains are cooked from porn lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:28 PM
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I once asked a guy here who lied to him. I asked him if he noticed growing up that popular often pretty girls got interest from boys, and that popular often attractive boys got interest from girls. He said he noticed, that it’s a painfully aware experience growing up when you look at popular, attractive guys getting female attention, and you’re not that. So I asked him, if you noticed all that, who lied to you? It sure wasn’t “society.” He told me that his mom and grandma would tell him that any…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:25 PM
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Most of my sexual preferences were formed early before I ever had sex, in my late teen years, and I’m still into them now. Any filtering I did based on experience were experimental things that I was neutral to before but, after trying, I knew I did not like. These are very few though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:16 PM
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The sex is fun, non-committal, maybe she thought she wanted something casual but turns out she wanted more, maybe to the guy she’s not worth going exclusive for. Maybe she herself knew it wasn’t a good relationship to be in but was too passive to exit or fully commit. Lots of reasons. I don’t know for sure tho, I’ve never personally experienced this. I’ve only had LTRs and simps. And to be honest my friends in situationships had varying reasons for being in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:27 AM
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There are plenty of women who don’t want to be told what to do. If a woman tells you to stop trying to control her, then you should stop. Taking initiative also comes with levels. Picking date night is one thing. Picking clothes is another. Picking engagement ring is another. And setting household rules is yet another. Decisiveness is not the same as being controlling, which your OP seems to suggest are the same. Men should really rely on a combination of what turns that particular woman on and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:26 AM
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I’m enjoying it a lot! I loveee the design aspect. Colors are dusty pink, peach, powder blue, and sage green!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:31 AM
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Indoor/outdoor garden wedding, early summer next year! Vintage, romantic, muted pastels.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:31 AM
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The evenings are for my second full time job: planning my wedding 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:44 PM
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You are arguing that women are not compassionate toward the average Joe, but that men are compassionate toward the average woman, but you are not even specifying what empathy toward strangers looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:58 PM
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Men literally complain when their fave female video game character no longer looks fuckable, they complain about their coworkers, bosses, not getting promoted, they even complain about their own wives to other males ("ball and chain"). On top of this, males have notoriously worse emotional regulation. We are talking about the sex that starts riots and fires when their favorite sports team wins OR loses, the sex that kills his whole family when he is unhappy in life, the sex that the red pill cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:56 PM
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I don't even give compassion to the average woman with whom I share no relation, friendship, or kinship. I give some sort of social sympathy to everyone when I think they're in sad circumstances, and I give charitable donations to causes that I feel strongly about, including ones that affect mainly men, but I am not personally invested in their issues. What level of empathy do you think is appropriate for strangers to give each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:49 PM
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The OP is asserting that women ARE a monolith and so far every male in this thread is just agreeing with me that women are, in fact, not a monolith because you all see the differences. Including you. So thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:32 PM
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Men just complain about different shit. Look at this sub, it's a whole subreddit built around male complaints of their sexlessness and lack of hole. Male complaining aside, emotional intelligence is not about complaining lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:30 PM
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I am not being disingenuous. Male competence is a known factor in women's sexual attraction. Female responsive desire is a known factor in how women's sexuality operates. If you want a woman that cooks well, does that mean you should also cook well? If you want a woman with at least 34DD tits, does that mean you should also have 34DD tits? Men and women are not held to the same standard because male and female sexual attraction work differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:19 PM
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I think I may get a new cat soon, ash 🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:40 PM
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You should reread what I wrote. I am not arguing that women don't find height attractive. Ironically you are the exact audience that is unable to see the nuance in this. I am not going to continue litigating height because this is not the looks thread, nor is it the main topic of this debate post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:37 PM
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Yes! My brother is a lot younger than me and feels protective over me. He was the first in my family to be told when my fiancé started making the rounds of sharing the proposal plan/asking for blessings, and my brother gave him a whole speech about treating me right lmao. But I'm the same as you, I feel very protective over him and look out for his emotional and physical well being. I often feel like I don't want him to go through the same struggles I did, so I help out where I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:31 PM
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I have the day off work so the PPD jesters need to dance some more!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:19 PM
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Acne scarring does not look like freckles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:07 PM
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That's not what freckles are lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:03 PM
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I use "unpaid domestic labor" as a response to men saying women do not contribute anything financially to a marriage when she a SAHM, therefore she deserves nothing in a divorce. Like, they think a woman deserves nothing because she was not working, even though she was raising children and being a homemaker that enabled the working parent to prioritize his career. Additionally I do think women are burdened with managerial "home" duties even outside of just chores, which are largely expected by m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:24 PM
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Girl I know it's so awful, it's ruining all discourse here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:59 PM
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I don't think these are "problems" at all. I think these are cases where the women have better experiences knowing what attracts men because we do actually attract men, and the vice versa for men who attract women. There is a lot of nuance here between "women are only attracted to height" and "women don't consider height at all." The in-between space is the actual debatable part. I will say, though, men are notoriously bad at picking out when women are wearing makeup or have gotten procedures un…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:25 PM
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I cannot help that neutral comments over the internet coming from women are perceived by men as hate. I do not keke with strangers over the internet, especially with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:10 PM
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Shy is not the same as being feckless. One can be shy and not feckless. Bear happens to be both shy and feckless. For that matter, quietness is not the same as shyness either. Respect = deep admiration and/or deference for someone. For me this ties into my sexual attraction to a man. If I don't respect a man, that is not hatred. I just don't admire him, I don't want to defer to him. Again, why do you perceive this as hate and rage?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:54 PM
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Biggest larp in the history of this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:50 PM
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Where did you get hatred and rage? And I did not say quiet, I said feckless which is incompetent, ineffectual. Basically men who do not take initiative; passive men. Being unattracted to them is not hatred or rage. It's unattraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:43 PM
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So again your gripe is that women are not held to the same standard of behavior, not actually about the movie lol. But why should women be held to the same standard? It is men who consistently claim that they only need to find a woman hot in order to find her attractive and they do not care about any other traits a woman possesses other than being hot. So it is men not holding women to this standard; the majority of men do not give a shit about this standard. Men have other standards for women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:02 PM
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I keep asking you of proof of your claims and you are not supplying this. Shy men are not inherently dangerous, they are just unattractive. I would argue that any man is dangerous, especially if you are going to have sex with him. But attractiveness has nothing to do with a man’s propensity to be violent. Attraction is gendered and I am not sure what to tell you here. Men reinforce gender roles by finding feminine and docile women attractive, so they like applying gender roles to women as well a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:55 PM
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Karma farming LMAOOO
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:43 PM
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All the Reddit discourse is about the nice guy trope which is the correct takeaway. If anything, you can possibly take from this movie that any man can be a rapist, even the shy or socially maladjusted ones, but women have known this all of our lives. There are many representations of the popular, charismatic man being a rapist or dangerous (e.g Speak, 13 Reasons Why, Brock Turner, Donald Trump, etc.). And there are many representations of socially maladjusted men being rapists or dangerous (e.g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:30 PM
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You think that female movie goers think the movie claims shy men are rapists? Says who? You? Through some oddly concocted reasoning in your head? What can possibly be the justification you have that women took away from this movie that shy men are rapists?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:52 PM
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You make the direct comparison that Bear should not be held the same standard because Nikki herself is passive. I am not talking about how women should feel, I’m talking about why men and women are not held to the same standard. The movie’s point is not that shy men are rapists, and I really question your analytical skills if that’s what you took away from it. It makes the point that men are willing to place his desires over a woman’s autonomy, even in a seemingly benevolent way. It’s not about …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:32 PM
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It makes sense for anyone to feel upset when they don’t the standard they are held to, and plenty of women also feel anguish at the standard of what men find beautiful and/or marriageable. However the common complaint from men—and OP does this too—is that women are not held to the same standard about confidence and initiative. And this is why I’m asking why would women be held to the same standard? The reason women care is because male competence is tied to sexual attraction for most of us. It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:26 PM
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If you want a feminine woman who looks and behaves femininely, does that mean you should also look and behave feminine? To make it fair? It is baffling to me that people think the traits that are attractive in the opposite sex have to be displayed by their own sex or their own self. A man being a feckless individual (like Bear) is deeply unattractive to me and many woman. I need to respect a man and his competence in order to feel sexual attraction to him. Conversely, many men only feel sexual a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:47 PM
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This is not the gotcha that you think it is, and it’s also a retarded strawman lol. MY man would not expect me to change for him, especially to attract him or if it fundamentally changes who I am. Not wanting to change for a man does not mean you don’t care about your partner’s happiness and desires—and if he were compatible, there would be a large overlap between my own happiness and desires, and his happiness and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:23 PM
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This take is like Muslim / non-western or something, like a complete lack of understanding about how female anatomy works.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:13 PM
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I think women as a group tend to have lower sex drive than men as a group. I mean… it’s men who claim that not being able to nut in pussy is torture and can make them suicidal. That it’s such a strong urge, to go without is putting them in despair. But I think there are high libido women too, and clearly you’ve attracted some.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:05 AM
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Ask women sub, or the sex sub lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:00 AM
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I don’t think of it in terms of good or bad. I think it’s more about what they are comfortable doing. Some women can get the kind of men they want to date without caring, and so there’s no reason for them to care. Some women can’t get the kind of men they want to date, so they change and they’re comfortable changing. For me this was easy because it was only about losing weight and dressing nicer, but I also like dressing up and I like feminine expression, so it wasn’t a drastic change. Some wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:46 AM
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By observing the kind of men I wanted to date. Who those men were dating. The motivation was that I wanted a bf and to have pretty privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:06 AM
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They don’t want us to win, Ange 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:52 AM
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If you count changing appearance to be more appealing to the kind of men I wanted to attract, then that’s what I did. I never had to intentionally go out and meet men I wanted to date because I was already in the right setting to meet them. These are the men in my social and socioeconomic class.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:27 AM
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I find it crazy that men here think there is no difference in the experiences of beautiful women vs. ugly women, or high value women vs. low value women. Even the way men speak about these women clearly portray a massive difference. Men on this subreddit proudly talk about how they pump and dump and treat women poorly when they’re ugly or not worth commitment. Even the ‘cels here say that undesirable women “deserve” to be abused or otherwise treated badly because they are not high value lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:33 PM
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If they weren’t being retarded while trying to date, they wouldn’t be ignored lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:16 PM
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Discussing western dating with non-western people is impossible and is ruining this subreddit. Why don’t you all go back to Muslim Reddit, third world Reddit or some shit omg.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:01 PM
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Yeah this is just a guy who knows he’s never gonna marry her, it’s a casual relationship where he’s leading her on, but he enjoys her companionship lol. That’s called a “starter girlfriend.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:51 PM
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Pump and dump is in the name lol. You pump and dump, he got sex and left. It's actually you who does not understand what this is, but at this point I expect very little from ESL users on this sub. If you're having sex with a guy and he keeps you around for convenience, and he continues a relationship with you, enjoys your company, hangs out with you, because he has no other options, it's just a short term relationship. It's a fling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:31 PM
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He comes home from work and he cares for me, touches me, we cuddle each other when we go to sleep, I have my best friend with me 24/7, we make pancakes from scratch every Saturday, I get to drive his Mustang cause it’s right there in the garage hehe. A whole host of things, really. Your mileage will vary though, and it requires you pick a good man and that you have already talked about a timeline for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:12 PM
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Yeah I love mutual love bombing, mutual limerence lol. That’s like 100% attraction to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:45 PM
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Well that is something I just cannot really relate to. The way I feel sexual attraction is specific and requires in-person interaction + basically continued mutual love bombing, so I don’t really feel attraction from “types” if that makes sense. I slept with all my bfs by the second or third date, with basically non-stop talking and flirting before the first date and between dates. It just never occurred to me that I should not sleep with a man early or not sleep with him at all, because I only …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:04 PM
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There isn’t only one way to be hot n kinky. Where did you get that? I wouldn’t sleep with men short term because I’ve never felt the desire to do something short term. I like cannot get horny for someone unless I’ve interacted with them a few times. I have never met a man I wanted to have sex with and then decided not to. All the men I wanted to sleep with became my bfs. I’m just really picky. I don’t even understand the concept of avoiding a man who I felt sexual attraction to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:46 PM
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If you think my comment was made by ChatGPT because you have personally used ChatGPT, I find that ironic because the cadence is nothing like ChatGPT, plus it utilizes semicolons to an absurd degree that ChatGPT and other AI models do not. All this to say, people who think my text is AI are self-identifying themselves for me as those who are either unwilling or unable to engage meaningfully with my content, evidenced by your assumptions of things I never said in my original comment, and also by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:01 AM
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I find the people woefully and embarrassingly lacking in education, familiarity with AI-isms, and quite possibly brain cells are the only people who think my contributions to this subreddit (where I have been posting for past 4 years) are written by ChatGPT. The fact that people cannot parse more complex syntax than what they find in a 5th grade level Language Arts textbook is not my concern nor is it my fault, and I sincerely hope they get the help they need to improve their reading comprehensi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:32 AM
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Why would I have to restrain my sexuality? I’m not worried about what “men” will think of me because I’m not sharing it with “men.” I’m sharing it only with the men I choose to date long term, and I vet for sexual compatibility. So if he’s not into being hot n kinky, I don’t want him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:57 AM
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Legally this means nothing. Law is one of the fields where the “words have meanings” meme rings exceedingly and almost excessively true. When speaking about criminal punishment, the crime has to be well defined. Fraud already has a specific legal meaning. Simply having an affair is not “fraud” because it does not establish intent to mislead another person for your financial or whatever gain. Adultery is not a crime. I said this down below in further comments, but what men here are actually wanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:49 PM
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It does. Because you can mishandle a gun knowing there is a risk to other people around you, have it misfire and kill someone, and it does not make what you did murder. Because murder is the intent to kill; what you did is not that, so it would be classified as a manslaughter. Fraud requires deliberate intent. You have to prove this was the intent, to conceal information. If you cannot, then make up some new legal term to encompass what this is, similar to manslaughter. But it’s not paternity FR…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:57 PM
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It’s not innocence, that’s not what I said. I said it’s not FRAUD. If you do not like this legal definition, you are free to take your LSAT and apply to law school, obtain your JD and PhD, and then change the legal system. I look forward to hearing about your personal journey into family law.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:38 PM
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The reason you must be married is because, if you are unmarried, the mother cannot legally request child support from you without a DNA test. No one is “put on a birth certificate” if unmarried. That’s how I know y’all have never actually looked into what happens when you have a baby. Lol. The unmarried father in that situation has to VOLUNTARILY sign an Acknowledgement of Paternity, which is not the birth certificate, that legally binds him to the care of that child. Once again, VOLUNTARILY. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:21 PM
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No, that’s not the legal definition of FRAUD. Are you guys not reading this??? Fraud has a specific legal meaning. You can call it what you want, but that is not paternity FRAUD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:18 PM
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That is not deliberate evidence to conceal paternity. You can sleep with someone else and still believe your husband is the father based on your cycle history, use of condoms, plan B or other contraceptive with the affair partner, or some other reason. The burden of proof for this is high. Having an affair is not the concealment of known paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:02 PM
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Fines, financial restitution for the loss of finances + legal fees + whatever emotional damages the victim is able to argue, plus jail time depending on severity. If the father no longer wants to be in the child’s life due to not being the real father, then the mother should not be jailed. I want to make something clear tho — “fraud” is the deliberate concealment or misrepresentation of facts. So you have to show evidence that the mother knowingly and intentionally concealed the real paternity a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:33 PM
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Men choose based on character, do they? Then why is it men constantly screaming into the void that they don’t give a shit about a woman other than how hot she is and that she’s breathing? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:11 PM
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Conversely, I am not convinced that someone who is apathetic about everything and sees the value in nothing—not even personal achievement, health, or the bonds of friendship—is going to be magically made happy with romantic attention. Even in my experience being interested in these kinds of men, a woman does not fix their depression or intense loneliness; me expressing romantic interest did not fix anything or make them more pleasant to be around or improve their lives either. They actually just…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:09 PM
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First, men do not love women unconditionally. Erase this from your brains. Most men vet women for relationships based on a number of factors, including attractiveness and various utility—women are not loved for simply existing. They are bringing value to a man’s life that he would not have otherwise whether through sex, motherhood, peace, comfort, domesticity, laughter, financial assistance, emotional support, or something else; often a combination of all of these things. Second, most men are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:55 PM
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Does the self-improvement not also benefit a person outside of being in a relationship, though? Like there are tangible benefits to having a stable career, being financially well-off, having mental stability,, being socially competent, and being physically fit, even well outside attracting the opposite sex. That is just a vast improvement of life quality in and of itself, which is not a gamble; it’s a guarantee.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:36 PM
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I promise I’m not being snarky when I say this, but why does self-improvement in order to obtain a goal (to get a relationship) elicit such heavily negative responses? From the red pill purview, men and women generally find certain traits attractive in the opposite sex, so in order to maximize chance of success, TRP recommends lifting, putting effort into appearance, getting in a good position within one’s career, and learning to game female attraction (broadly being socially fluent). Conversely…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:58 PM
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Unironically, parsing your text requires higher reading comprehension and native fluency of the English language, effectively gatekeeping your post only to the intended audience and keeps out anyone who doesn’t want to engage meaningfully or quite literally lacks the ability to engage meaningfully, which is, in all honesty, a woefully large portion of the subreddit. You’re my favorite poster on this subreddit now lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:24 PM
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None of these were actually run-on sentences! I think, like, 2 specific places could benefit from a comma in order to visually separate phrases used as a list item after conjunctions, but it’s not necessary and is all syntactically correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:08 PM
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My man saw me eating half of a PB&J sandwich this morning, which sparked this conversation/debate: We have agreed that the individual components on their own are breakfast foods: white bread, peanut butter, and jelly. However, he says PB&J sandwiches are a lunch food, evidenced by their origin as a kids’ lunch food in the early 20th century, and the marketability of Uncrustables as lunchbox items for children. I say PB&J sandwiches are still counted as breakfast food, evidenced by the peanut but…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:00 PM
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Most coherent schizopost on this subreddit to date that I also kind of agree with. Thank you, tiddy milk guzzler.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:32 PM
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This is an odd question because your ex was not thinking about special treatment for herself as a woman; it’s that she wanted special treatment as your partner, which is how most people are. How people navigate their personal relationships has nothing to do with how they feel about gender politics broadly, particularly regarding the workforce as in your example. To me they’re like completely unrelated statements — like when men say sex work should be destigmatized and treated as a legitimate job…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:48 PM
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LMAOO
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:02 AM
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The exact verbiage in the law is something like “deliberate deception.” Simply sleeping with another man is not “deliberately” lying about paternity. It will not hold up legally as that is not malicious intent to deceive a man about paternity. It’s just being an adulterer. If she took a prenatal paternity test and knew that it belonged to the affair partner, and then hid the results from her husband, that would be deliberate deception. I understand you feel strongly about this, but legal cases o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:09 AM
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Cheating is not intent to deceive paternity. You can cheat and still earnestly believe the baby is not from the affair partner. There has to be evidence of intent to deceive regarding paternity, NOT regarding adultery. There’s a difference. Adultery is not the crime here. It’s paternity fraud. You have to know for a fact the baby is not his, and then deceive him into thinking it is. Sleeping with another man is not evidence of this. Women should not commit paternity fraud. But men should take pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:50 AM
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The way the Panamanian law works is that there has to be some evidence of malicious intent. You have to prove the intent was to deceive a man into recognizing a baby is his when it’s not. That cannot happen unless you had sex with that man (as well as the biological father), as that’s the only way to pass off the fraudulent baby as his. You legit can just practice abstinence and there is no way you can get duped or deceived into thinking a baby is yours. Because you know you never had sex to beg…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:25 AM
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This was not painting her negatively? > It seems to me that she wants all the benefits of a chaperone, boyfriend, or husband without any of the disadvantages. By expecting men to use their bodies to perform violence on her behalf when confronted with a bad guy, she feels entitled to men's bodies. You have described her here as self-serving and entitled, and you make it very clear from your post and the comments that you think this is a negative attribute. I am being hyperbolic because we both ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:04 AM
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My question remains: why do you paint her negatively? This seems like your beef with her that you’re applying to everyone else, “women.” I will never in a million years use my partner/spouse as an example to a forum of strangers, and then call them entitled and self-serving, and admit I chose such a person 💀 You do you tho, homie.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:45 AM
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You are painting her in a very negative light, intentionally or not. If you think she feels entitled to men’s bodies and wants the benefits of a husband/bf without any disadvantages, why are you with her? Legit like if you think she’s a weirdo like this, why even stay with such a person and then speak ill about them online?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:30 AM
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You can actually just practice abstinence tho and never be paternity frauded.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:08 AM
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It’s rare for bachelorette parties to have a male stripper. I’ve been to like 5 and none have ever had a male stripper.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:27 AM
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The men on this sub just reach for anything. It’s ridiculous. They’ll want you to justify that you’re not with Chad, but then say you settled and that you don’t love your husband/bf lol. They make up a whole fantasy about you in their heads, it’s demented.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:42 AM
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Most women are in relationships or marriages so this is verifiably false. Because they can already get things without a man. I could go out and get like 5 simps tomorrow if I wanted to, all to fund my lifestyle. But most women are not picking that. They are choosing to have a partner, not simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:06 AM
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Heterosexual men will never understand this. It’s almost pointless to try and explain it to them. What you describe is what red pill actually means by female sexual hypergamy. It’s intrinsically monogamous in that women reserve all her attention and affection for that ONE man, the man she believes is the “best,” and sees all other men as lesser beings who don’t deserve shit. Lol Men get on this sub and try to convince us that we should give it to all men, and that is simply not female sexual nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:00 AM
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Male indiscriminate sexual behavior is not the default. For that matter, by your logic, the men who look for traits in women that enable them to build futures and families together also only want things, services, and feelings. Not the woman. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:56 AM
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It sounds like you didn’t actually spend a lot of time trying to understand RPW if that’s your takeaway. It is quite literally for women who are attracted to men, and value marriage and family lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:53 AM
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I don’t understand your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:45 AM
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Yup thank you. It’s like the first advice we received growing up lol, through media and also thru family, friends, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:44 AM
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They’re like all over Instagram, dating gurus, femininity coaches and whatnot. But they are not teaching how to attract “men” — they’re teaching how to attract the kind of men who are specifically a good fit for you and what you want out of life. “Attracting men” at large is not the issue here because we know that a lot of men only need to find a woman who is sufficiently attractive and breathing. That’s not helpful. Some men do not even need her to be breathing, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:42 AM
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I like MY man. Every other man can and should leave me alone. RPW has a whole section on attracting men, and another on what men like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:07 AM
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I do not expect anything from men who are strangers. I have a question for you: why do y’all get on the internet and disparage your significant others like this? It’s bizarre to me, like actively shouting out to the world that you think your gf is a retard lol. Damn bro, I love my fiancé too much to do him dirty like this to a bunch of strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:44 PM
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Right so I’m sure you saw, over the internet, what kind of man my fiancé is. Because you called ME a chad chaser, remember? 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:30 PM
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This argument is so completely retarded. It’s a bunch of woo-woo feelings from men on the internet who have no idea what other women are choosing, crying about some made up fantasy in their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:37 PM
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They're gonna say some shit like, "Men don't care about any of that, only if you're hot and breathing!!!" So, like, they admit to not caring about anything else, so what does it matter to them what women offer anyway??? Lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:40 PM
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This title reads like a random clickbait Youtube video lol. "SMASH that like button and SUBSCRIBE for more SHOCKING content."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:24 PM
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Women do not have to offer anything if she just wants a random man to fuck. By virtue of having holes, and most men wanting hole and are only able to obtain this via a relationship, women are inherently valuable to those men and make his life better through sex. The inverse is not true. That's why women are less interested in partnering with men. Women have something more to offer for men who are worth it. I am not going to sit here and justify why my fiancé chose me just so angry men can jerk o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:16 PM
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What is a kids movie that's kind of not a kids movie? I always think of Coraline for this, tbh, that movie is nightmare fuel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:25 PM
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4'11" for me tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:24 PM
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That's not asexuality, that's differing libidos. Women still feel sexual attraction to men, we are just more selective and do not feel the need to actually partner with a man in order to get sexual release. Men display indiscriminate sexual behavior, which is not our problem and not the default. It's why men are more likely to fuck sheep, goats, kids, dead bodies, parted out holes, and whatever else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:18 PM
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Yeah, I'm telling you that most of them don't. And that's especially true in my home country where English is widely spoken in the areas passport bros go to like Angeles City, Manila, Cebu, etc. The reason locals themselves demonize passport bros is because they see that most are trying to get easy access to sex/relationship, not trying to date within the local cultural norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:59 PM
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The red pill has never been for societal change; it was only ever for individual improvement and benefit. It even says so on the sidebars of TRP, MRP, and RPW lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:44 PM
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...As someone from the Philippines, a man can want to genuinely find a good partner, but that doesn't mean passport broing is unfairly demonized, which is actually what your debate topic is about. How many passport bros are actually learning the language? How many of them actually put in the work to understand the culture? Even here in the U.S, we have men bringing women home from Asia and regularly denigrate the country, the people, the food and how gross it is, etc. Most educated women in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:33 PM
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It's not even wedding night. We routinely see here on this subreddit that men say a month is too long, more than 4 dates is too long, etc. Their argument is that a woman who wants to wait at all does not feel "true attraction" to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:02 PM
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The reason men want relationships more than women is because they view relationships is a means to the end goal of sex. They know relationships are the most reliable way of getting sex, and the data backs this up. Women will not get into a relationship simply to have sex, while men do. Women would rather have no relationship than be in an unsatisfactory one. Men would take being in an unsatisfactory relationship over having no relationship at all. The first hurdle men have to overcome is whether…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:28 PM
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No, she is saying women are more selective about getting into relationships; men simply desire relationships at a rate more than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:21 PM
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This is not a matter of women being morally superior; that’s not what is being argued.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:15 PM
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I had a lot of first dates (and I do not sleep with men on them), but I legit have had sex with all my bfs on the 2nd or 3rd date and they were all LTRs. I slept with my fiancé on our second date lol. Having sex early does not prevent you from getting a good man or a steady relationship. We were both looking for an LTR, and we were both insanely horny for each other. I personally cannot imagine starting a relationship any other way. Of course, other women prefer to do things the way you’re argui…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:31 PM
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Absolutely correct. As I have said, PPBs don’t actually dislike the “shallowness” of the western women they want to date. They dislike that they cannot afford to date in that price range. But they are a-okay with the shallowness of a Filipina maid who makes $1.20 per day and wants him for money. They could date non-shallow women, but alas. They choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:53 PM
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Ya a feckless man is so deeply unattractive, it’s like my #1 trait that turns me off
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:47 PM
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Nobody is blaming men for being lonely. But being lonely is not an excuse to treat your partner poorly. That is entirely within their control and they can be blamed for treating their partner poorly. They need to get in therapy or do some work on themselves so that they don’t continue to do this. Also, make your comment without making personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:59 PM
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The main reason for women not partnering with men is not that women are avoiding toxic, misogynist men. It’s not even the leading narrative when this point is brought up. It’s that women don’t see a point in partnering with a man if there is no guarantee that it will bring value to her life. It’s a disruption of being single, where her single life is the standard men have to beat. The promise of regular sex is not enough to make women choose relationships, meanwhile it’s more than enough for ple…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:33 PM
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This one is still active sometimes on PPD spaces, but he essentially grew out of it, yeah!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:58 AM
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One of the most interesting things to me is that one of the mods of the original incel subreddit is now married and thinks inceldom is dumb, lol. In your opinion, if he was able to date while young and get married, was he ever an incel to begin with? Fakecel or truecel?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:04 AM
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That is not the black pill. For whatever reason the black pill has been distorted and made family friendly in the last 5 years. In its inception like 20 years ago, it is the belief that looks are the only thing that matter, and broadly genetics will determine your outcome. Most of this was focused on physical attributes — bone structure and such — but was also applied to personality and social ability. Thus, the people who took the black pill fundamentally believed in genetic determinism, nihili…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:20 PM
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The black pill is well defined and has been for like 17 years lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:05 PM
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I think they understand and try it anyway, because they clearly understand how and why older men can be attractive. When I was in college, in undergrad, I was a 19 yo who thought my 30-something yo engineering physics TA was attractive. I also found my early 50s literature professor attractive. In those cases, though, there's a draw to confidence and the authoritative position. There's something hot about seeing a man display knowledge and passion (like competence, I guess?), and in a university…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:02 PM
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God, please let all the black pillers reply here so it serves as a honeypot 🤭🙂‍↕️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:45 PM
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the important question is where someone interrupts the loop before loneliness hardens into hostility. I'll tell you the biggest truth nuke. Even when someone interrupts the loop, it is unlikely that it will bring some lonely man out of said loop. I spent a lot of my dating years interested in lonely men, self-described incels, sad men who just needed someone. They're like... lovable retarded puppies to me. I love a good fixer-upper. I wanted nothing more than to see them loved and happy. Here's …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:11 PM
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So your friend got cheated on by a girl who likes bad boys. How does this prove most women like bad boys? Here: all the men I have dated and all the men I have been on dates with are attractive young men with good jobs and bright futures. They are witty, kind, generous, and intellectual. Because of my experience, now all women like these kinds of men, right? That’s how retarded this post is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:37 PM
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Yes I do not interact with any bum losers, including women. They disgust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:16 PM
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“I want to rape women and get away with it” Just say that next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:10 PM
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Open up to whom and in what context? The only men I want opening up to me are my brother and my fiancé. My dad is also fine here, but fathers tend not to do that. While there are men’s issues I support through charitable giving, I really do not want random men opening up to me. When male strangers start opening up, they develop feelings because I listened, and now I’m responsible for navigating that. I don’t want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:10 PM
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I’m disagreeing with the OP, as contextual interaction is not “character,” and looks do not get me horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:54 AM
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I just am not in the socioeconomic class or social class of bum losers. I literally do not know any bum losers in my life and I only dated through social circles. All the people I know, all my friends, people I went to college with, are middle class to upper middle class and educated. I wouldn't even begin to know where to find a bum loser. I would have to pick one up off the street or something. Yuck. All the men I have dated or been on dates with were in my social class, so it's not something …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:01 AM
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These bozos who say “pair bonding” always mean some shit like, “If she had sex before me she’ll never be able to love me.” But if he’s had tons of sex before her, it doesn’t apply. They can’t ever admit they just fetishize virgin hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:53 AM
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Just because you’re ESL doesn’t mean the rest of us are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:49 AM
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I have never dated a bum loser in my entire life. The only thing that gets me horny is how a man interacts with me, that’s it. Looks are like nothing, I find a million and one men cute, and I don’t feel horny for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:18 AM
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The only area in which I criticize men is when they are lazy and have no work ethic to improve, but that is because Asian-Americans (and largely any immigrant diaspora) culturally see laziness as a moral failing. If I were born male, I’d still have that cultural framing, so I’d still feel the same way and would have been socialized to succeed. Other than that, this question is impossible to answer. I’d have been socialized with male norms and have male thoughts. The closest comparison I can assu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:07 PM
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OP, you must participate in any Debate threads you make, otherwise it will be removed for OP abandonment. Any questions should be directed to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:55 PM
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It’s exactly related to the point. She filtered you out; her evaluation that you were not a good partner for her was correct to begin with. Then she gave you the chance. And despite what she said while in the relationship, the relationship was a failed one anyway. It proves the point that you were not a good partner for her to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:00 PM
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And yet you guys broke up anyway so she should have just stuck to her original standards instead of lowering them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:51 PM
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This thread has been removed for OP abandonment. Please read the rules regarding Debate threads. Any further questions should go to modmail.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:50 PM
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Stop spamming the same comment across different replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:33 PM
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Whenever this topic comes up, the OPs always fail to give examples of the sorts of “high standards” that actually contribute to incompatibility. Why is it always intentionally left vague? I had a long-ish list of filters because I’m trying to build a family with someone. That forces me to be selective. What do you mean by “building compatibility?” How does that happen? Why does having more/high standards mean that someone has a mindset of “I could do better”?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:15 PM
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As usual, men on this subreddit are arguing that a woman should not have any sexual boundaries if she truly loves a man. That she should not be able to say no to anything he asks of her, even if she tried it before and didn’t like it. If she previously was neutral to anal and decided she doesn’t like it after trying it, you should be able to have anal sex with her anyway. Right? Because she needs to prove to you that she likes you more than the ex. You want to feel like “that guy.” Men here are …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:56 AM
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AWDTSG groups don’t discuss sex life in detail though. The accurate equivalent would be like a man saying a woman is really controlling and goes through his phone, and was cheating. You’ve already told on yourself here that men do not actually care if the woman is cheating or behaving poorly — what they actually care about is getting the sex he feels is “owed” to him due to what she did with past men. A list of things that he now has the right to demand. That said, I don’t support AWDTSG groups …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:40 AM
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Listen, I’m more amused that your post was rejected from PPD, and then you ran to copy/paste it word-for-word here. Lolll. You can be single if you want to, that’s your life. Wanting to more women to be single is really none of your business.
/r/RedPillWomen30/06/26 11:00 PM
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The logical gender on display, displaying their famous restraint of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:25 PM
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Er, do you know what subreddit you’re on? Who are you proselytizing to? Lol
/r/RedPillWomen30/06/26 10:15 PM
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For the bottom like 5-10% of women, they would probably like to be invisible. That kind of ugly is noticeable, unfortunately. If a woman is slightly below avg you just blend into a crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:53 PM
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I grow old with my husband. I understand youth and beauty do not last forever. Even then I think growing older isn't the same as "being invisible to everyone." There are plenty of older women who enjoy putting effort into how they look and have strong fashion tastes. My personality has never been suited for complete invisibility. I simply do not see a spotlight as negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:42 PM
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I don't think I make a positive impact on men or women here. It's a debate space, which is what I do. My honesty about my dating preferences is not bringing hope to men. But I don't think that was the objective to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:35 PM
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I was invisible when ugly, that's how I know I don't want that. It's completely antithetical to who I am, how I express myself, and how I prefer to meet men. If I wasn't able to get out of that, I don't know, maybe I'd feel differently. But I don't like being invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:32 PM
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Thank you. It is odd having to continuously justify my preference and being treated like it is inherently the wrong one to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:57 PM
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I didn't say that, did I? I know men appreciate a woman's personality. The vast majority of them anyway, as it's a necessary component in long term partnership. However, men approaching (among those who choose to) do it based on appearance as they know nothing about me prior to that point, and in this way, being invisible will not help me. I only met men through in-person social functions, as I don't believe using online dating services is helpful for me. I actually don't mind men hitting on me …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:54 PM
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Nice personal attack. Removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:32 PM
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That counts! Good morning!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:58 PM
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No, it's cause some weirdo here went thru my account history trying to doxx me and find personal info about me. Probably one of your friends who are very obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:29 PM
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It's a fundamental misunderstanding of English idioms. It's impossible to communicate with these people who apply their weird fantasy interpretations on commonly understood phrases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:21 PM
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You don't like Coke Zero?!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:12 PM
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❤️ Good morning ❤️ only to people who: Dislike Lucky Charms cereal Have at least one houseplant in their room, apartment, home, or workspace Are engaged, married, or have been in a LTR for at least 3 years, OR Enjoy Coke Zero
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:02 PM
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I quite literally followed up in the next sentence, so I would suggest going back to read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:45 PM
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Edit: You don't understand English idioms. Idk if you're a native English speaker or not, but "not giving them the satisfaction" is used in situations where someone is trying to get a rise out of you, provoking an emotional reaction, etc. So you deny them getting what they want. Now for the rest of your post: I don't want an equal relationship. I want an equitable one, with a general feeling of fairness according to whatever standards and preferences we hold, as well as the contributions we each…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:38 PM
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No. I enjoy putting effort into how I look. I have a lot of fun with my appearance and my sense of style and fashion. Being invisible to everyone would be miserable to me. Men don’t approach on personality either, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:20 PM
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I still don’t think it’s worth trading places with an average man. I have fun with my appearance and fashion; I don’t want to be invisible. I am not miserable with a spotlight on me because I enjoy putting effort into how I look.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:17 PM
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The method of “rape” was not vague either, this OP is making some odd argument. We understand that Bear’s wish completely removes her autonomy, like the boundary violating is not exactly subtle…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:56 AM
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Okay obviously roofieing someone takes their autonomy away as they are unconscious. Let me spell it out for you, apparently you are an average man. When someone wants to roofie you, it’s not instantaneous. It doesn’t just happen. The potential victim has a means of risk mitigation, namely not accepting drinks from strangers, not leaving your drink unattended in the presence of strangers, using a buddy system, only drinking what is handed to you from bartenders, etc. Some people decide not to go …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:20 AM
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Completely unrelated to what I said, as well as being a retarded rebuttal to why Bear is seen as a rapist or rape-adjacent, which you have again conveniently disregarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:48 AM
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He didn’t roofie her, he didn’t chloroform her. He did something much worse, which was entirely remove her autonomy. That’s the part you’re seemingly not understanding. He violated her consent and made her a prisoner trapped in her own body. It is “rapey.” It shows us that men will put his sexual desire above a woman’s autonomy. The real Nikki begs him for death, to release her, and what does he say? “Is it so bad to be with me?” He understands this relationship is non-consensual as a result of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:39 AM
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My bad habit is (was, lol, as I’m no longer single) getting attached to insecure, lonely men. I used to love a good DIY project (HAHA). They’re like… hurt puppies or something to me. So I’ve dealt with quite a few in my dating years, and that’s probably why I don’t see it as evil. It is rooted in a deep feeling of worthlessness and the desire to be loved. Needless to say… insecure, desperate, lonely men do not make good partners and are difficult to romantically “rehabilitate” as it were. Hard t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:05 AM
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I don’t think this is evil, really. The more I think about it, it’s cowardice and desperation. It’s like the final manifestation of “If only you would give me a chance.” It’s very disturbing, kind of like the guys who say stuff like, “I’ll kill myself if you leave me.” Just keeping someone trapped in that situation because he is too weak and can’t bear to let them go. But it’s not evil to me, it is in line with someone deeply insecure and desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:49 AM
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Asking whether it is a “useful” message is pointless, imo. Because regardless of whether you think this is the message of the movie, it is what women come to know as we live life being women. That some men will gladly place his sexual desire above our autonomy, even in a way that he believes is benign. It’s not “rape” but it’s not great either. Also, like… I’m sorry to say, but the first one to tell me, “Be careful because anyone can be a rapist” was not this movie. It was my father.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:26 AM
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> slightly hypogamous Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:43 AM
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As usual, arguing semantics and not the concept. He is arguing for ghetto welfare baby mama/daddy culture and saying all women are like this. That’s not even what hypergamy is in the red pill either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:14 AM
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I’m from a poor third world country. What OP is describing is not just being economically poor, he’s specifically describing the experience of the urban welfare ghettos, and then saying “women” are like this. It’s uniquely low rent urban ghetto shit. Hence “low rent”, i.e the projects.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:07 AM
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No, because I fundamentally cannot find men attractive or respectable (to date) if they don’t approach me. For them to approach, I need to be noticeable. I don’t want to be invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:39 PM
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You’re not describing hypergamy. You’re describing low rent poors which is crazy lol. I exercised hypergamy within reason and ended up great. Don’t know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:35 PM
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I cannot disagree more with this take. I enjoy my life as a woman, I don’t want to trade places with some average man. I would trade places with a hot 6’4” upper class man, but that has more to do with power rather than invisibility. Men’s lust can be bothersome, but I don’t want to be seen as undesirable. I WAS an undesirable woman once. It’s not a good experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:25 PM
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No not at all. I think when men get into the red pill, they have reached a point in their lives where dating isn't working for them, and they're wondering why. Some of them probably want to control a woman, but I don't believe this is the case for most of them. When men arrive there, especially the young ones, they are angry at the revelation of male/female attraction. It's so common that it's almost treated as an initiation into TRP and called "the anger phase." This kind of anger is not conduc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:20 PM
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Here is my biannual memo that Red Pill Women, who give advice to other women that want male-led relationships, advise against picking red pill aware men. They often do not make good partners. Stay safe out there!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:42 PM
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Is it strange? Of course they will defend it — they wanna fuck young attractive pussy and not have people look at them weird for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:29 PM
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Autistic women have such high rates of sexual violence and abuse that it's dishonest to use them as examples. Of course they won't be "stuck alone" when there is a man out there willing to take sexual advantage of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:02 PM
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It was not feminism that told me this - I am not a feminist. It was the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:57 PM
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Because they choose to. The sports bra is not required; they can wear an overshirt and athletic leggings if they want. I choose to wear tight athletic clothing and sports bras when I go to pilates or barre. It's easier for the instructor to see and correct my form, and it also feels more breathable to me. In those settings there are no men either, so it has nothing to do with male sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:47 PM
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In my experience and observations, women generally need more romance than men, and men often slide off with the romantic stuff after a while. I wouldn’t say anybody is “owed” anything, or that anything is a “requirement,” but generally people should understand what it’s like going into a LTR with the opposite sex. I tell the equivalent to men as well — if he doesn’t like doing romantic stuff and he hates the actual dating part, a relationship is not for him. If he likes it or if it’s “tolerable”…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:02 PM
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Women want to feel sexy and attractive sometimes, and sometimes use clothing for that. It’s not some psy-op — women also choose those clothes, particularly for casual wear or for a night out. Just like, in the appropriate context, women choose clothes that are more conservative. Would you say it’s a psy-op by older female fashion execs to create clothing that has longer skirts and doesn’t show any cleavage? That prairie dress style that’s been popular for the last ~5 years and the baggier, loose…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:02 PM
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I think, for me, a lot of it has to do with the demographic I was looking in. If you want a man who provides, he needs to have the capability of, well, providing. I have a 6-figure income, and I dated in my social circles, so most of the men I was meeting also made good money. However, I also work in a professional creative field. Prior to this, I worked in luxury retail, so I always looked groomed, polished, and I have a very feminine sense of personal style. I do “look” high maintenance, thoug…
/r/RedPillWomen29/06/26 04:27 AM
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So, I can understand where you’re coming from and why you think this is flawed. The reason TRP approaches dating systematically through looks, status, and money is because this is the best strategy for a man to get his foot in the door, so to speak, in the dating game. If you’re lacking in all of these departments, it is significantly harder to date as a man. The entirely of red pill operates on broad generalizations that are meant to steer a person in the right direction to maximize their roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:44 AM
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u/GridReXX Interestingly, this is something we tell women passing through RPW. That married women need to understand that men simply have a much higher sexual drive, and they need to have sex in order to relax. Conversely, women need to be relaxed in order to have sex lol. But they come thru specifically asking like, “Why is my husband so disgruntled and distant from me?” and when we ask, one of the most common answers is “He wants to have more sex.” It is hard for women to compromise on this. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:11 AM
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What if I don’t want a man to contribute equally to the chores? Like idk I clean really well, I have standards I stick to, and there is no man I would want to cook for me ever. The system my fiancé and I have works for us. We feel like it is equitable given what we want to do or don’t want to do. Why would I force him to clean or cook for the sake of “50/50,” when we can split the responsibilities of our home another way? Why would he force me to go 50/50 just for the sake of it? I feel like tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:29 AM
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This is a man you should stop talking to, that’s what this is.
/r/RedPillWomen29/06/26 01:48 AM
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People are free to choose whoever friends they want. Not my problem if that offends you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:55 AM
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I don’t get vulnerable with any males outside of my soon-to-be husband, brother, and dad. I don’t even keep close male friends. It’s been my experience that men interpret emotional closeness as romantic interest, and I do not want to deal with navigating it if/when it happens. I have very close female friends and that’s my preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:48 PM
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Okay so you find her beautiful, I'm not telling you to stop finding women beautiful. But it's you who thinks women are harming you all because you can't have her. It's porn brained and frankly you sound non-western.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:12 PM
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Okay so this is an internal reaction within yourself. You are causing this. No one is doing anything to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:03 PM
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Okay, not my problem. It is your problem to abide by subreddit rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:01 PM
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So learn to paraphrase. I have made longer posts on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:59 PM
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You see a beautiful woman, and what? She is not inflicting pain or torture on you. This is the most retarded analogy in existence on this subreddit to date. What country are you from?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:58 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:56 PM
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It's not advertised because this is considered a normal route for men, being a "perennial bachelor." It's seen as a personal choice whether to have a wife and family, and while this has a chance to negatively impact him professionally (in terms of promotions, perception by higher-ups), he's not fundamentally seen as broken if he chooses to just make money and live a bachelor lifestyle. Women are more vocal about justifying this decision because they are seen as fundamentally broken if they don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:54 PM
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Crazy analogy to make — you understand you are comparing women who are not doing anything to anyone except putting effort into their appearance, to a person actively assaulting others with a baseball bat? The reason you think women are inflicting pain on you by existing is precisely because porn-addled male brains cannot comprehend these women are not your property to fuck as you please just because you find her attractive. If you find her attractive, keep it to yourself, or tell her respectfull…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:46 PM
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The correlation of men who ideate about suicide, and men who perpetrate family violence, is a known connection. Not all suicidal men, mind you, but there's a connection. That being said, the police should have said, "Are they currently a risk to themselves or to others?" Feminist concerns and the solutions are not perfect outcomes and rarely are; translating concern to legal policy is not a smooth transition. When men support feminism, it is never because of "women" as a group so we already know…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:33 PM
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What are the issues? It's one thing to say you care about boys' dropping out of K-12 education and not receiving the educational support they need, which also means they are at a disadvantage when applying to college/uni. Or saying you care about mens' unjust prison sentencing, or disproportionate homelessness rates. The problem is that men (here on this subreddit) will list off completely valid concerns, and then tack on, "Women will not have sex with us, they are hypergamous and only want Chad…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:45 PM
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Lonely men tend to have worse social skills than the women here. By social skills I mean the ability to make appropriate small talk, having social awareness and tact, and a general filter to understand what to say or not say. I actually think a socially incompetent woman is treated worse in a room full of socially fluent women, than a socially incompetent man is. But I used to work in management for near all-female environments, luxury retail, and I have seen it with my own two eyes. We had the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:14 PM
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I don’t agree with the blanket statement that people don’t treat others “like shit” until you meet “the one” that makes you shape up. If that were the case, men would not have so many “the one who got away” stories, in which they lament that they didn’t shape up for the woman who spent so much time and effort with him, until one day she finally left. Also, being interested in sex and wanting to spend money doesn’t make them good people. It doesn’t even make them good partners. What’s “good” is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:58 PM
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I live in the southern United States. It’s not “common” but also not unheard of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:46 PM
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Yeah, no. In all the healthy relationships I know, the couples talk about what’s going on with their lives. Both the men and women want their partners to show up in the relationship, build a life together, and be communicative. They “expect” equal effort. As I said in my original comment, the men who think spending time together is too much to ask in a relationship, are not fit for relationships. They don’t want a life partner; they want an on-demand girlfriend that he can have sex with daily, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:43 PM
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Source on historical? You mean when women had to rely on marrying a man to do anything in life, and he didn’t even have to like her or anything? And he could treat her like “A woman should be seen, not heard”? LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:31 PM
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This comes across like men want less bonding time, they want to do the absolute bare minimum, that their preference is to have a girlfriend that he can remove and add to his life whenever he wants. If he could, he’d have a girlfriend that he has to put zero effort into, and she’ll always stick around for him to give him sex. Like, that’s what this comes off like. Men want frequent sex, sometimes daily sex, without actually having to talk to us? That he can speak to us just 1-2x per year but want…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:52 AM
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Why should I change when I have a fiancé? Why should I give men access to me when I’m about to be married? It’s not cruel to not have sex with men. I’m just minding my own business. Why the fuck would I invite more men in my life when I have a husband???
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:26 AM
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You didn’t answer any of my questions. Why should women give our bodies to more men? Especially when men call women who do so “sluts” and “easy.” YOU have the privilege of having sex without being looked down on for it, which makes this confusing for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:18 AM
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truth is if women want to be accessible they would be. the cruelty is intentional. we are talking about the wrong thing. Why do you view this as cruelty? It's not cruel if someone does not want to have sex with me or be my friend. women are the only one that need to change. Why? Why do women need to change this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:18 AM
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I got into this sub when I used it as a case study for my honors thesis during undergrad, lol. I stayed because I got to know people and it was a fun time. Prior to this, I was already on RPW ( r/RedPillWomen ), and I was also dating men, so I already knew about the red pill and largely agreed with it. I had already gone through a period of self-improvement, and I had mostly good experiences while dating. I have no reason to hate men; mostly I'm interested in dating dynamics and I find them inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:13 AM
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I was about to say, lol, feral animals are not rabid animals… they’re just untamed. Also I feel like everyone has heard the expression “go feral over them,” as in to have wild unabashed sexuality over someone else. It really could not have been that hard to understand from context clues and the topic 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:08 PM
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Q4M: Which of these two is worse? And which of these two will have more dating success? A) A woman with a low looks threshold, like she finds the average man attractive — she may even find slightly below average men attractive — but her other requirements for dating are really high. Income, education, social class; she requires a man to be in the top 15% of those. B) A woman with a very high looks threshold, in where she only finds the top 15% of looks attractive, but she would date a man who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:04 PM
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Bro IS young, he’s part of Gen Z. He is making an assertion with absolutely no supporting material in his post, and no personal experience either which is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:52 PM
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Objectively speaking it’s easier to go through major milestones with a life partner, as you share the financial and mental responsibilities of buying a home, having and raising kids. Or if you don’t want those things, then you get companionship, tax benefits, and married people statistically have more sex, which is a benefit for people who like having sex I guess. Men specifically benefit in employment from being married and having kids, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:42 PM
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Please explain something to me. This is a thread explicitly asking for people who chose a partner for stability and not love. Therefore it’s representative of only that target demographic, not the entirety of people in relationships. On top of this, the top 2 comments are from men who chose his wife out of friendship and stability. There are tons and tons of men in that thread saying the basis of his marriage was stability, not limerence. And somehow, you took this limited set of data + ignored …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:17 PM
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I was a woman open to being cold approached. The places I didn’t want to cold approached was at the gym, the grocery store, and anytime I was wearing headphones and working on something (usually when I was studying at a coffee shop). When I worked at my luxury retail job, I didn’t want to be approached by clients either. That was just weird because I’m forced to be there and interact with him… there’s no escape for me lol. Any other place was fine. College, bars, parties, social events, work or …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:50 PM
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I was open to men approaching me in most places, barring when I was like clearly occupied. Like at the grocery store, at the gym, studying with headphones on at a cafe. If I didn’t have headphones on at a cafe, and a man said, “I like your keychain,” this would have been fine. But he cannot hang around and expect me to talk to him if I don’t want to continue the conversation. I mean, he can hang around, but I won’t be responsive, and he shouldn’t get mad at me for it. There have been times I’ve …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 PM
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Introversion is not the same as timidness, social incompetence, or insecurity. It’s not even the same as shyness. If a man is too shy or passive to approach — even warm approach — then I don’t want him. It really is as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:55 PM
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My opinions matter to the same extent yours does in the creation of the premise of your post. We just fundamentally disagree here. I don’t think women are primarily sexually attracted to looks. Women are more easily able to separate “that’s a good looking man” from “this man makes me horny and I want to have sex with him.” I think the latter feeling is caused by a multitude of factors not primarily looks. But sure if you believe what you believe, then I can see why you’d make this post. We just …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:41 PM
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My partner pays for the housework to be done (the stuff I don’t want to do), so I would rather us be in a position to afford more of that when we have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:35 PM
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So you don’t understand what “to me” means? Like in my opinion, in my experience. I also just explained to you that I don’t think most women are primarily sexually attracted to looks, and I did mention that there are women who are primarily sexually attracted to looks. I just think they’re the minority. The reason men have the perception that female attraction is more holistic is because most women they encounter will have sexual attraction that is more holistic. They’ll moralize it as “less sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:29 PM
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I didn’t say it was objective fact, I said “to me.” Meaning I don’t care if men make this assessment of women, and I also do not think most women are sexually attracted because of mostly looks. Some guy asked this question to women yesterday (How much of our sexual attraction was tied to looks vs. everything else), and the answers ranged from 0% looks to 100% looks, to the categories were inseparable. Most women had some split between 30-50% looks vs. everything else. Meanwhile if you ask men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:11 PM
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Yeah so to me it’s not misogynistic, it’s just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:02 PM
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The way I chose a partner was that ether of us can support the costs of the household if we were ever reduced to one income. This makes it so that if he were to get in a life changing accident, or I was partially paralyzed after childbirth or something, we can maintain the same lifestyle. That being said, I wouldn’t ever choose to have a SAHD. Moms who are the breadwinners still end up doing a majority of the housework, and I don’t want that to be me. While we don’t have kids, I’m happy to do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:00 PM
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Because I am not sexually attracted by looks, I have responsive desire, so idk this will never apply to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:52 PM
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Women know exactly what “breaking rules” means. We know that men mean they want her to do things that she would not normally allow, even if it hurts or humiliates her, e.g sex acts like anal, choking, degradation, threesomes, etc. Men view the ability to do this as a status symbol. That a woman will allow him to abuse and/or humiliate her. And when women ask men for examples that do not involve sexual coercion, abuse, humiliation, or breaking her boundaries, they can’t name any lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:39 AM
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“When a woman genuinely desires a man, she lets him abuse her.” 🫩 Men are not rising above the allegations omg.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:32 AM
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A man needs to just look non-repulsive for me to be open to him flirting with me. However I don’t feel sexual attraction without the “everything else” because that’s just how I’m wired. Not in a “Is he a nice guy?” kind of way, it’s more of a… “Does he behave in a way that turns me on?” sort of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:17 AM
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I understand this, but it is just fundamentally weird to be asking it on a first date. Even 2-3 months I can understand. I had a guy tell me on the first date he was planning to move his mother over from India, and he explicitly asked me if I would be okay participating in her care. Generational elderly care is even expected in the culture I’m from, but I was a bit taken aback that he asked this of me. I try to get to know people on the first date, them as a person, not treat them like checkboxe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:29 PM
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On the first date is crazy omg. Maybe like first 3-6 months. But a first DATE, I do not want to feel like we are both just checking each others’ lists off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:36 PM
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My situation was a bit different because I was given a free pass to his apartment. That’s where I studied after I got out of class. It was close to my university, it was a quiet place to do what I needed to do while he was at work. So I never had to tell him if I stopped by, I always had permission to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:34 PM
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I mean this I can understand. If it comes up as a shared hobby, you’re not really screening it as an “expectation” per se, you’re using context and experience to know that this man will likely pull his weight. You know what I mean? But the OP is suggesting that we screen by asking for photos of his bedroom and bathroom and food lol. He told me further down in the comments that I should ask for proof on a first date. Like zero people will take that well, men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:30 PM
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I would never propose to a man, and I would not want to be proposed to publicly. I was proposed to at the top of a mountain ridge in Hawaii. Just us and the amazing scenery, not even a photographer. But other people should do whatever floats their boat!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:19 PM
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What is dominance? Like authority?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:16 PM
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Again, I am taking about early in dating / first few dates because that’s the scenario presented by the OP….
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:05 PM
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I didn’t ask at all, I just went over to his place randomly after he gave me a key. It was clean whenever I stopped by without letting him know, so I knew he was clean enough. The OP is literally telling me to ask it on the first date, lol, yeh that’s insane behavior to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:02 PM
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Well I specified “beginning stages of dating” in my OC, and the OP is currently telling me that I should be asking men about this on the first date. So I got the impression that he is asking women why we do not screen for this early in dating, including it in the initial screening for height, education, looks, him paying for the date, etc. (as he gave examples of in his OP). But I agree with you that you should assess this at some point if it’s important to you. Like I said earlier, I assessed f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:33 PM
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Ya idk I cannot relate to this, it would be like a man I’m starting to date asking me if I would ever dead bedroom him and how much I’m willing to have sex with him per week. Like it’s a valid preference, but a complete lack of social understanding to ask it just like that on the first or second date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:10 PM
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That is my personal set circumstances. I don’t complain that I do 100% of the cooking because I actively choose it for myself. But I’m answering the question in your OP according to “women.” I’m telling you that whether a man cooks or cleans does not mean he won’t expect you to do most of it upon moving in together, and also that women will not ask this upon starting to date him. It would be like if a man I was starting to date asked me if I felt like women should have sex with her husband at le…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:06 PM
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Yep 100% — it’s all for show lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:00 PM
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What he likes to eat and what his favorite recipes are, and even that he cooks for himself, are not assessing whether that man will share that responsibility upon moving in together. My father will answer what he likes to eat and that he has favorite recipes he likes to cook. Most of the domestic labor still fell on my mom because that’s what he expected in their culture. Personally I don’t give a shit whether a man can cook, there is no man on earth I’d want to cook for me. I’m not dating him s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:56 PM
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I stand by my statement that women do not ask a man in the beginning dating stages if he believes in domestic chore equality lol. It’s an autistic question to ask on the first few dates. There are probably women who ask as the relationship gets more serious, or they observe how cleanly he is on a regular basis like how I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:51 PM
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Well if we’re talking personally, I don’t ask at all about cooking. I don’t give a shit whether that man can cook, I do 100% of the cooking in my household. There is no man on earth who I would want to cook for me. As far as cleaning, that’s what stopping randomly at his place is for. As long as he’s not a hoarder or excessively messy then I don’t care, I would also prefer to do the cleaning. My fiancé’s preference is to hire a cleaning service so that his future wife isn’t doing it, so idk, we’…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:46 PM
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“Are you willing to share the duties of cooking and cleaning within a relationship?” Yes this will come off like an interview question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:34 PM
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I have never asked a man on a first date what he does for work or how much money he makes lol. People fundamentally do not like when their date treats them like an interviewer hiring for a job. I have the social competency to know these questions will make men rightfully feel uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:27 PM
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There is no woman who will ask a man if he can cook or clean in the beginning dating stages. That’s insane and not normal. It’s something you talk about when you’re ready to move in together, and by that point you’ve been together for probably a year or more. When men do not meet those expectations upon moving in, your choices are to break up or decide if you’re okay doing a larger share of domestic labor. Those relationships fall apart and those women are convinced that being in a relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:16 PM
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Yeah that’s fair, like feeling connection to family and ancestry. I still think that’s different to the male feeling of “legacy” like their mark or impact upon the world, proof of their genetic significance. It’s like exclusively a male talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:55 PM
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Because most of us in Anglosphere countries are not ESL and we understand this perfectly well, lol. Is that not obvious? When you’re a native speaker and grow up in western culture, you can understand different connotations of English words.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:17 PM
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Women don’t have kids for “legacy” lmao that’s male solipsism. Women that have kids or want kids have them for a very simple reason: we want to. The idea of having a family makes us happy. So even if you have a loving, supportive man, pregnancy is not worth it if it doesn’t inspire that joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:02 PM
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“Bad personality” is short for bad social fluency, tactless, dull, boring, basically parts of personality that have to do with how you interact socially. It’s not a statement about moral character, and tbh I’m routinely surprised that this has to be clarified. Like connotatively in the context of dating, what “bad personality” means has always been unattractive personality…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:56 PM
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Years of women making it publicly known that they don’t want to be approached while they are running errands or doing solo gym workouts should have clued you in on this. It’s common sense that if you aren’t in an environment that invites socializing, you’re going to be treated like a cold calling salesperson. Which you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:47 PM
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I’ve never seen anyone get approached in a grocery store in my entire life Why would you? You're there to get groceries, not stake out to watch for women getting approached lol. I've had men approach me at the grocery store. Sometimes they were the ones working there, sometimes it was other customers. I've only had one bad experience, where some like gross threatening 40-yo (ish) man was putting his hands on me, touching my shoulder and neck. When those women ask "Why aren't men approaching?" th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:08 PM
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Good morning only to people who: Take showers at night before they get in bed Don't have to work weekends Take some sort of prescription psychoactive medication, OR Went through 3+ years of having no dates, sex, or a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:49 PM
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Why would I do that, I don't date women. For bi women that will work, but I'm gonna be so real — I don't concern myself with what other straight women are doing because I have no reason to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:38 PM
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Yah, what I’m saying is that’s why men have “watch what women do” as advice, and the inverse also exists for female oriented dating communities like RPW and even FDS. Re: women calling other women out, research shows women have a stronger in-group bias than men. Idk about you, but I often see that when women lead men on and financially use them. “Getting the bag” and “it’s the guy’s fault for not having boundaries” are common sentiments, even tho objectively that’s poor behavior on the part of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:13 PM
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Men acting like male romance novel characters only works if he’s in a relationship with a woman already, and trying to get her horny. You’re asking inexperienced men to do a larp. It won’t work for them, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:51 PM
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With outward presenting behaviors, like being an e-whore or when women openly salivate over violent men, that’s easy to spot. But how am I supposed to know which women lose their convictions just for dick? I don’t expect (straight) women to know how other women behave in the presence of a man or in a relationship, and that even goes for non-bad behavior. Like I’m very driven in my academic and professional life, and so it usually comes as a surprise to other women that I choose a lot of traditio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:45 PM
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She’s a woman, but yeh the 6in question is a rage bait question lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:05 PM
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This post has been changed to Question For Men to avoid circle jerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:09 PM
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Why is this perspective any less valid? There's merit in being discerning over what advice applies, and one's ability to say, "No thank you, that will not work for me" and move on. In fact that's even nicer than what I said in my original comment, which was to call them retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:53 PM
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How is your social life otherwise? When I was in grad school I would go out with people from the lab I did research for. I wasn’t single during this time, but it easily was a time/space for single people to interact and flirt with the opposite sex in a low stakes environment (and they often did).
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 03:34 PM
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I think you should be honest with yourself. It's not like you were intent on committing to your situationship either — you describe him as a safety net when you didn't have good options. You should have put up boundaries with yourself, that if he's not something you truly wanted, you shouldn't have continued to engage. But what's done is done, there is only one direction to go now, which is forward. If you're not flirty on dates and seem guarded and distant, men who are socially and sexually per…
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 03:18 PM
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If I were arguing with a person making a post that gives that advice, I would be telling them it's bad advice, and have done so on this subreddit plenty of times. I even did it under other comments in this very post. As it stands, the OP made this post. I am speaking to him and to this general state of mind. At the end of the day, you can only control your own actions. I find it bizarre that you think this is an either/or scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:05 PM
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I didn’t say it doesn’t matter. My point is that this advice does not apply, so not to take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:41 PM
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Well yeah I agree, that’s why I’m flaired red pill. However not all men who are lonely are red pill; there are mopey blue pill, no pill, and black pill men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:05 PM
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To some extent I treated interaction like a logic puzzle to be solved with a formula. I was undersocialized due to having helicopter parents, and when I went off to college, I had a hard time adjusting. At this time I started working at a coffee shop and, later, luxury retail. I watched how the top advisors interacted with clientele down to discussion topics, tone, phrasing, expression… and emulated it with success. I feel like a lot of human social interaction is somewhat formulaic, and relies …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:10 PM
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The point of the sub is to debate whatever the OP brings forward, broadly dating and gender dynamics, but skewed toward a place that is red v. blue. He is not flaired as red pill nor did he bring up any red pill points, so it’s not relevant here imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:46 PM
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It’s not practical advice and I tell people that straight up. But yes, I understand how and why that’s frustrating. At the same time, people (online) don’t want improvement advice either; they want someone to take them as they are, which is currently not working out. Not being happy single, and not wanting to improve are not reconcilable imo. It’s used in debate because the other direction — “I am lonely and I want someone to accept me like this” — is not really debatable either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:41 PM
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While I agree in theory with your post, why does this advice even matter to you? Just call them retarded and move on. People should really not be putting a lot of stock into advice from people whose goals are fundamentally different than yours. They want to be happy single, so let them. You don’t, so don’t take that advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:16 PM
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He’s saying you can have those things and still feel lonely/bad in the romance department specifically. I think that’s a normal feeling. Advice like “just be happy about being single” hits differently if you know you can find someone relatively easily if you wanted to, vs. really struggling even when you try. One of my dad’s good friends is like that. He’s proud of what he achieved in life, he’s got a good social support system. He just feels like he is missing something from life having reach m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:09 PM
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Omg congrats, Sarai! Wishing you both the best 💖
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:17 AM
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Men who are attractive to me, which is a wide range. I don’t really have a type aside from behaviorally. Assertive, decisive, takes initiative, witty, charismatic. Introverted/reserved strongly preferred. Anyway, middle class to upper middle class, college educated, family man and wants marriage and kids, like what you’d normally think of a typical American suburban dad. I hated the idea of using apps so I always dated in my social circles. Pros are that men are largely pre-vetted, like they wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:04 AM
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I’m currently planning a wedding, and a secondhand dress alone is like $700-2000 😭 But also, I’ve been saving up for a wedding since I was like 22 lol, I’ve always been one of “those girls.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:07 PM
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They don’t have to be, yeah. But even inexpensive weddings are a few thousand. Getting married is cheap tho! Like $70 for a marriage license in my state.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:11 PM
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The rule is a staple from when it used to be mainly married women posting there, because Reddit has a fascination with telling people to just up and leave their spouse, when the online audience is only seeing one small snapshot of their relationship (the post in question). The mods at RPW are fairly balanced about applying that rule — we get a lot of girlfriends posting about their abusive boyfriends, and in those situations the only appropriate response is to leave. But if the post is like… “My…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:25 PM
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I cannot imagine going on a date with a man and he starts making fart jokes. I’d be like… why…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:14 PM
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I cannot say I see people going, “I can’t afford to have kids so I might as well just hook up with people instead.” Rather, I think people who choose hookups vs. commitment just do not want commitment, period. They simply do not want to be tied down with another person, they don’t want to have to consider another person to the extent that a committed relationship would require. It comes down to personal preference, and they gather where hookups are easiest to obtain, which is OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:25 PM
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Being committed and wanting (and affording) kids are two separate things. A wedding can be expensive. Commitment is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:00 PM
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If that man agrees to be friends, he needs to manage his own feelings and boundaries. If he can't, he shouldn't have agreed to be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:43 PM
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Right, and I said I think he is a victim in those cases. Being a user is not restricted to just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:39 PM
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I think he is a victim, and could also be a moron in some cases. In the post where that conversation took place, the scenario is that the woman rejected him already. So if he was rejected, he should know better than to continue doing things for her. At the same time, the woman shouldn’t take advantage of his feelings in order to get gifts, favors, etc. because she’s using him. She should have more integrity than that. It would be like if a man told me he didn’t want a relationship with me, yet I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:13 PM
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Being yourself does not mean you have to be combative. You can just say okay and move on. Confidence is only in reference to yourself, how you feel about your own abilities or judgement. What other people think should not matter. Confidence is about internally derived validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:53 PM
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No, I don't think confidence requires more risk and bravery. Confidence is self-assuredness, being comfortable in one's own skin. The quality you are describing is assertiveness and positive risk taking, which is not the same, though people who do this are often confident of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:04 PM
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So you are agreeing with my point that it is modern men who say things like that? And that still does not explain modern men hitting on minors, modern men having higher rates of violence compared to women, modern men admitting to lying to women otherwise she wouldn't sleep with him, etc. In response, women are punishing men... how? By choosing not to date them? Choosing not to sleep with them? Choosing to cross the street when a man is walking behind her at night? Exercising one's own personal f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:53 PM
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If we take confidence to mean self-assuredness and being comfortable talking to women, flirting with them, etc., I'm not sure why the digital age is relevant to that. Male disadvantage in dating is not caused by any one preference. It's that men as a group are less selective than women as a group, which creates imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:45 PM
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Women treat modern men as morally suspect because it's modern men who start hitting on us when we're minors, it's modern men calling women hypergamous and incapable of love, it is modern men who make assertions like, "If she really liked me as much as the other guy, she would agree to let me harm her (sexually, emotionally) like he did." Not all men, etc., but the men who do exist today. In this timeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:34 PM
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Of course, no woman here will ever admit that because it would render their whole narrative about what a man is supposed to be like in this day and age worthless. Those of us who are honest about what we like are verbally abused for it by the men on this subreddit. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:57 PM
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Sure. It is in the subreddit wiki that goes more into detail on the rules and posting guidelines: Posts with a link must provide sufficient information and a summary from the source that users can understand the perspective of the OP without extensive reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:53 PM
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Videos cannot illustrate a point anyway in this subreddit. A synopsis or line should be included so that people don't have to click a link to understand your argument. Meaning, it is against posting rules of this subreddit to rely on a video or other external source to illustrate your point. It needs to be summarized in your OP so that people know what you are arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:28 PM
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I don't think n-count limits are as strict as people make them seem. Most often it'll be relative to all the other qualities they find desirable. Like, let's say a man has a n-count limit of 8, and then he meets a woman who ticks off every other box he's looking for, except her n-count is 9. He's still going to date her because that one body is not going to overpower everything else. He may even date her at n=10 (or more). But if she's some whatever woman who only has a few other qualities he va…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:25 PM
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Right, so I am questioning why you think these men are dipshits? Also most people are not watching that video. I didn't even open it. Videos cannot illustrate a point anyway in this subreddit. A synopsis or line should be included so that people don't have to click a link to understand your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:16 PM
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I don't think it's an either/or situation. I think people can feel all those takeaways from that action, including leadership/initiative and care. I am just explaining to the woman above me when/why paying for something is qualified as "beta" within red pill, and when it's not. In fact I was surprised because she is flaired Red Pill Woman, so I would expect her to know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:07 PM
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No one is saying selfish men who lack boundaries are bad guys. They're just not actually nice if they're doing the scenario presented in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:03 PM
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Paying for something is a proxy for leadership and initiative most of the time, which is actually what women are looking for. Like there's a difference between going on a date and the man automatically offers to pick up the bill, which indicates something like 'I got this, I'm taking charge.' Compare this to a woman saying, "Pay for this date," and he does only because she told him to, which is beta. That's a turn off, right, like women don't want to tell a man to buy her flowers. She wants him …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:53 PM
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It’s because he is a prolific AI user.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:29 PM
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I personally don’t think love and attraction are the results of being Chad, which is what most men want, even the unselected men. They can be nasty here, but do you think that’s how they are off this subreddit? Im nasty here sometimes, so are you, so are a lot of men and women who are still romantically successful. How do you know they’re not competent? Like it’s a judgement call over the internet; we’re not seeing anything about their actual life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:23 PM
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I think you’re getting this wrong. The men who complain about masculinity are still engaging in it because they prioritize having a romantic partner and/or a sex life. If you are’t masculine, like if you’re a feminine man, your dating prospects will go down. And frankly, all of the more attractive women I know still adhere to wanting masculine men. Like a man who takes initiative, takes charge, is assertive, competent, decisive, etc. You can do all of those things you listed as being an adult, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:50 PM
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No I just think women are really retarded for thinking it is common for a man to leave his wife just because they read that men think young women are beautiful, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:06 PM
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That’s because you are a normal western man. Being a slut has never been about body count anyway. It’s a vibe usually tied to appearance, and whether that person is making the details of their sex life public.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:03 AM
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It does make them feel powerful in a way, because they think a woman will break any and all sexual boundaries for an attractive man. Ergo, if he somehow manages to get her to break that boundary — even if he pestered her until she gave in — it's a status booster for him as "that guy." She could be in tears and in pain, and these men will take pleasure in it. Men conceptualize a woman's boundaries as "if she won't do it for me, she doesn't like me as much as the ex." Except when it is HIS boundar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:12 AM
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Omg I also had shrimp tacos. Twinsies
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:19 AM
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Men think this applies carte blanche to sex, which is where they get the erroneous idea that a woman who is not willing to do anything for you does not like you. This leads to men pushing boundaries because they think if a woman really liked you, she would do it. And that is where women get the idea that men are coercive and rapey, and take pleasure in pushing boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:57 PM
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My stance is that women will try things if they want, and if they decide they don’t like it, they won’t be doing it again. When men recieve a “no thank you, I don’t want to do that,” they project their insecurities and say she’s not doing it just because she likes him less. I’ve layered this in facetious language because this sentiment is almost always coupled with “She would do it for Chad,” rather than, “It makes me feel insecure but that’s my own problem to deal with, I should respect the fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:00 PM
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That’s a fantasy created by losery men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:31 PM
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Low rent behavior from the women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:57 PM
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It’s especially hilarious when people submitting posts leave their AI prompts in the text. Like deadass just leaving them in there LMAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:41 PM
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I will never say never, because there are probably women out there who will be okay with it or will overlook it out of relationship desperation themselves, but I think it’s much harder for him to get in a first-time relationship once he’s that age. He could potentially go for younger inexperienced women? But if the factors that led to his inexperience are still present, it will probably make him unappealing to younger women as well. Like passivity, unattractiveness, social incompetence, dullness…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:42 PM
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When I was younger than 25, I wouldn’t have cared about the inexperience. But as I moved into late 20s and now that I’m 30, a man with no relationship experience raises a flag. Not because I think he’s a bad person, but because we simply will not be in the same place to navigate relationships. Having a relationship is not just about being good company… I need that man to have developed conflict resolution skills in the context of a relationship, knowing how to establish and respect boundaries, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:22 PM
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Entirely unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:06 PM
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Except I’m not the one making multiple accounts, and everyone knows who my old account was, which was also a mod account, I am not the one hiding anything. But we can both play pretend if you are insistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:38 PM
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You have eyes and you can reread the question I asked you 3 times now. You are not an idiot, unless you are telling me you cannot read, but clearly you can because you read things men say online, so…. And if your experience of men comes from what you read online, then that is incredibly gullible and some grass touching is in order imo. Thoughts and prayers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:37 PM
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Sure sure, I believe u 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:27 PM
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If you have a lot of infidelity in your social circle, that’s a demographic issue and also a poor choice of social circle. Lol. You keep dodging the question which is how I know this post is in bad faith. You know I am asking you if it’s fair that men are suspect of their wives leaving him due to female nature. Yet you keep making arguments that you, as an individual, would not do this instead of answering the question. So why do you think individual men would choose to leave their wives while a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:27 PM
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More schizo shit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:18 PM
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A 29 day-old account with a convenient screenshot from a post on this subreddit from 9 years ago. Lol. Which alt account number are you on now? Like 9? I keep losing track.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:17 PM
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So you come from a family with bad men, and it has colored your perception of men. Sorry this was your case. But statistically most married men are not dong this. Men initiate the minority of divorces as it is, and among them, it is impossible to say how many of them did it to fuck 20 yo women, but it’s surely not most of them. It really is not that common. You are making a mountain out a molehill. I do not care that you started dating your bf while he was broke — I am asking you, if a better ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:08 PM
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Are you the same person who got BTFO’d out of the RPW subreddit for this exact take? LOL. How many actual real life cases do you personally know of this happening? Be honest. Like people that you know from your personal social circles, not just a friend of a friend’s cousin’s neighbor’s ex-husband or something. It’s a cliché, but it is rare. Even the older couples in my social circles who divorced, when they started dating again, it was also in their age / demographic cohort, which was other old…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:45 PM
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Which mod do you think runs it? 🫪
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:36 PM
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Would you like me to change it to a general Discussion post then? That way non-RP people can answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:26 PM
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Because men are still attracted, just not as physically attracted as they are to young beautiful women. These sorts of questions are retarded tho, because more often than not, it’s a bait designed to claim that men will not be faithful due to their wives aging. Which is obviously not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:25 PM
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I simply am not sexually attracted to passivity. I have responsive desire and, to me, a man is displaying some degree of natural masculinity, assertiveness, confidence, and intention when he flirts with me. These qualities are a part of who he is. That’s what I want in a man. I can think he is good looking or cute if he doesn’t approach, but I will never feel sexual for him or want more of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:19 PM
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Did you mean for this post to be flaired Question for Red Pill? I used this subreddit as a case study for my honors thesis during undergrad, lol, and ended up staying because I got to know a lot of the people here. Prior to this, I was on r/RedPillWomen, and I was dating at that time. The reason I asked if you meant to flair this Q4RP is because, technically, the goal of TRP is for men to improve their sexual outcomes, and by extension their dating lives; and the goal for RPW is to find and main…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:02 PM
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Because apps are not designed for people who date intentionally. It’s playing a numbers game in a human catalog.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:49 PM
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A husband wanting sex from his wife that she doesn’t like or want (e.g anal) is rapey, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:45 PM
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Yes, thank you. I find most men on this sub think that compatibility means “are they a nice person who is willing to compromise,” and they aren’t understanding what compatibility actually is. I don’t think most men are terrible people. I just think most of them are not compatible with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:57 AM
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I won’t list everything out as I think that will take too long. But in a nutshell, I find a wide range of men good looking enough. It is all the behavioral qualities attached to my sexual desire (like assertiveness, masculinity, competence, decisiveness, leadership, initiative) and LTR qualities (humor, values, morals, lifestyle, religion, etc.) that are the limiting factors. Once you start adding in things like shared views for dating and sex, sexual adventurousness, similar cultural framework,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:51 AM
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This is a whole lot of schizoposting and you didn’t understand 90% of what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:29 AM
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Men and their infamous “starter girlfriends” lollll
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:50 AM
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Most men irl are not compatible with me, so why would I think men on apps are any better? I wouldn’t say “trash,” but the kinds of men who stay on apps are the ones who are okay blasting out low effort hooks to a million and one women (indiscriminate, not actually looking for the best fit), or men who actually use it for casual sex. Both these categories of men are “low value” to me, engaging in behavior that I don’t value.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:46 AM
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You can ask for joint custody. But shared custody does not mean no child support — it can still be ordered depending on circumstances, but trivially flows from higher earner to lower earner. You will probably be the lower earner. You cannot just say you want alimony lol, and most stay home parents do not get it upon divorce. I mean it’s awarded in such a rare few amount of divorces, and even then it is not usually for life. It’s for a set number of years, whatever the judge considers fair to giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:31 AM
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I do not care for some politically correct speech use, and it is normally men who use the word retarded, not women. My word choice is irrelevant here and I think it is hilarious that you are mimicking feminist behavior of critiquing tone policing. Everything you wrote was complete projection of male insecurity, when the simplest reason a woman will not want to do anal again is simply that she did not like it and it hurt. It is manipulative for men to insist that a woman dislikes him simply becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:19 AM
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Women do not continue to do things they don’t like, we are not going to let ourselves get raped just to keep a man. The fact men on this subreddit think this is absolutely out of touch with reality, and just confirms that men are indeed retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:05 AM
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If one friend takes you to a restaurant and you decide you don’t like that restaurant, and then your other friend later wants to take you to that same restaurant, does that mean you just don’t value your second friend enough if you don’t like the food there and don’t want to go?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:54 AM
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Okay so if one friend takes you to a restaurant and you decide you don’t like that restaurant, and then your other friend later wants to take you to that same restaurant and you don’t want to go because you don’t like the food, does that mean you just don’t like your second friend enough? Literally retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:53 AM
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Lol as if all of those relationships are where the man brings home the vast majority of the income lol. I lived with my parents until I was 26 (immigrant generational household). If my dad was on a work trip or visited his family overseas, my mom would pay the bills, keep the house running normally including chores, taking my little brother to high school, being an involved parent. Whenever my mom was overseas for a 3-4 weeks to visit her family, I was the one in charge of the household because …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:21 AM
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But there are relationships in which one parent is the one holding it together though, and it tends to be women. There are parents out there where both parents work, but it’s only mom who goes to parent-teacher stuff, mom is the one who knows the doctor and takes the kids to their appointments, it’s mom who takes them school supply shopping and clothes shopping and even schedules her own husband’s medical and dental exams, etc. Acknowledging that your household will not function without you is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:04 AM
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The lack of a single sex act can make you feel less loved?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:54 AM
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Him: “How do you feel about [xyz]?” (usually anal) Her: “No thanks, I tried it and I didn’t like it.” Him: “You fucking whore, I bet you’d do it if I was Chad.” There you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:36 AM
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Find a freakier woman then. No one is obligated to perform an act they don’t like, just to stroke your ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:31 AM
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This is a crazy fictional rewrite. If she decides to try anal with an ex and decides it hurts too much and doesn’t like it, why would you think it’s because “he owned her body and soul”? If someone asks you to try their brussel sprout dish and you decide, why the heck not, but it turns out you didn’t like it, does that mean they owned you body and soul? And that the next person to ask you to try their brussel sprout dish is a lesser person? Weird shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:28 AM
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Your husband will be attracted to beautiful young women, just like you will be attracted to handsome, high status, wealthy men. I mean there is no way around that; it’s not like we never find other people attractive once we get into a relationship. BUT most people will still find their spouse sexually attractive years after being together, because that’s what happens when you love someone. If your husband loses his job or something, will you leave him? Chances are you won’t. You will choose him,…
/r/RedPillWomen22/06/26 11:01 PM
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Lol it's insane to expect a potential partner to risk getting reprimanded at their job just to text you back. That IS a good example of over-zealousness that's a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:39 PM
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And? Again, not everyone has that luxury. When I worked in luxury retail I would go 3-4 hours without answering a text because I wasn't allowed to have my phone on the sales floor. Why would that ever be disinterest? Wacko shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:34 PM
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So not everyone has the luxury of working at home or otherwise in an environment where they can constantly be on their phone. Some people take a few hours to respond because they're focusing on work. Why would a few hours to text back prove disinterest?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:32 PM
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People have work for 8-10 hours out of their day lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:29 PM
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I wasn't particularly worried about it necessarily, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. But thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:29 PM
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Someone attempted to doxx me on it. I've had it for a long, long time and used to use it prior to PPD. In fact the reason I even got on PPD was because I used it as a case study for my honors thesis in undergrad, lol. Anyway, if you went back far enough, you could potentially piece together information about me, which is what that person did. So that account was wiped clean and this account is the only one I use for pill related stuff (PPD and RPW).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:19 PM
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I once posted a pic of my dinner and a once well-known user who was my biggest hater got on literally all his alt accounts to say it looked like dog throw-up lollll. If you don't have haters, you simply haven't been initiated into PPD!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:04 PM
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I think it's natural to put more effort into things you really like or want (both in and out of dating), which is an extension of putting your best foot forward. The best case scenario is that this is mutual and you both feel the same way about each other. Of course, it's impossible to completely assess this before a date, but most people have some sort of "talking period" before a date to assess compatibility and spark/chemistry. In my case, I knew him beforehand because I only date in my socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:41 PM
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No, I've had men want/ask for a second date with me, and I was not interested, so I turned them down. But it never gave me the impression that he was too eager. I mean it's a normal thing to ask for when he's interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:54 PM
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I mean it's hard to say. We are not you, we are not in your area, we cannot see what kinds of women you go after, we cannot see how these interactions go down, so it would inappropriate to definitively give a reason. But the former should not be resulting in the perception that it's "too excited" unless you are constantly blowing up her phone or something. Like constantly calling, demanding she text back faster, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:51 PM
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Most people do not find the first example as a problem. So that is a demographic issue with your area, social class, or something. Either that or they just were not reciprocating interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:44 PM
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I actually disagree here—I mean, "dream woman/man" is a bit overkill, but I know very quickly if a man aligns with what I want out of a partner. Once he presented himself as a sexual/romantic option, I knew if I was excited and interested about it or not. I put way, way more effort into the first date with my fiancé, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:42 PM
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It's not the worst trait, but the reason it comes off unattractive is because sometimes it crosses appropriate social boundaries. Let's say you go on a date. Here are two things you can say that display eagerness: "I really enjoyed our date, we should do it again" ✅ "I've been waiting so long to get a girlfriend and you're perfect" ❌ The former is interest that is appropriate given you two are still relative strangers. The latter is way too familiar for a first date. For context, I am not one of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:35 PM
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Not low agreeableness, I think that is the wrong quality to apply here. I get the impression they are male feminists and not inclined to be leaders. Passive. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, those are his preferences to have, but some women will just not find that attractive. Lack of interest, maybe. We hear all the time that men are willing to go above and beyond to take his dream woman on a date, so some women are inevitably going to take unwillingness to pay as lack of interest. D…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:14 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:38 AM
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How is that answer silly when it is the only other option you have? If you don't want to pay for dates or you don't want to wait for sex (as commonly cited examples) with the woman you are currently seeing, your only other choice—assuming you still want to participate in dating—is to find someone else who will be amenable to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:55 PM
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We will fundamentally disagree on this because I do categorize it as "caring about" what men are doing, even if it is part of the manosphere. Women care about how men vote, how they treat other women, whether men are good options to date. They make commentary on men's reliance on video games for entertainment, male porn use, that there are not enough masculine men, etc. The OP is just assuming women do not make this kind of content because it doesn't come up on her algorithm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:53 PM
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The OP is claiming that women do not care about what men do, or care less, so bringing up that red/purple men also discuss this is not relevant here. Women seemingly having no interest in what men are doing is verifiably false given that women stick their noses into what men are doing within the manosphere, and they are not just talking about the ideology itself. They are discussing the men themselves, why men do this, the fate of these men, making fun of these men. You may not, and nowhere did …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:25 PM
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It is not just about the manosphere, it is women talking about men, male interests, male hobbies. I am a moderator of this subreddit and see 100% of what women here are talking about in relation to red pill. They are talking about men, what men are doing in red pill, the result of red pill on men, lonely men, lonely mens' feelings; they are making commentary on what men are doing. About once every 6-12 months we see a post asking about Red Pill Women, that's how infrequent it is. The vast majori…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:55 PM
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You are telling me you have NEVER seen on random videos on Tik Tok / IG by women, making stitched commentary on what men are doing? There are so many women who have a lot to say about male business, what men are doing, making commentary on male hobbies, etc. Women discussing the red pill is 98% about what men are doing because the red pill is 98% men who are involved in this and use it to game female attraction. Women discussing the effects of red pill are almost never ever ever talking about RP…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:32 PM
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Women absolutely care what men do. i.e pumping and dumping, opinions on men approaching vs. not approaching, men joining red pill and learning how to game female attraction. I mean, women are perhaps less confrontational about it, and mostly stick to gossiping in female-centric spaces. But it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't paying attention to what men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:50 PM
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Yes I offer sympathy and empathy to male friends, male coworkers, people with whom I have some semblance of an interpersonal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:35 PM
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My sympathy for men’s problems does not mean I have to prioritize giving my time or resources to strangers just because he is struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:52 PM
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Okay I believe u. It does not make me change my mind that I think masculinity and femininity are inherent to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:54 PM
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We are getting close to what I think the essence of masculinity and femininity are. Traits largely tied to sex. Dimorphism, behavioral inclinations shared by each sex. I will never say there are no outliers, but females do not display what males regularly do, and vice versa. Therefore I think they are largely unique to each sex. Some AGP in a dress or a butch biker woman will not make me think differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:53 PM
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That’s why I think masculinity and femininity are tied to sex. I’m not feminine because I like dresses and makeup. I’m feminine because my sex is female. Some people play phony dress up, and they should be free to do that. It’s no concern of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:33 PM
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Trans men or women are also socialized from birth as their biological sex and share behaviors of their sex at birth; I don’t believe their performative cosplay as the opposite sex can overcome this. I fundamentally do not believe in transgenderism at all. The ones who are better at passing simply have more money for the performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:26 PM
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I think masculinity and femininity are inherent to sex in some way. There are butch women but they’re like cosplaying masculinity to me, same with like cross dressing men or smth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:14 PM
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Masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:55 PM
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As someone from the Philippines who now lives in America, you will get women like one of my aunties who married an American man to have a better life, enjoy the money from his hard labor, and not interact with him at all after he gave her a kid lol. You are assuming that the third world women in this scenario are gong to take this opportunity and be madly in love with him, when really to get out of these countries, it requires being extremely sharp and mercenary. They are getting a free pass to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:51 PM
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Of course it is normal, because most people have some instinctual urge to find the opposite sex attractive, and eventually partner up. You cannot control that some people will want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:40 PM
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Young people are already told they don’t need a life partner, and to be financially and emotionally independent. It is 2026, not 1956. Despite this, most people will continue to choose to have a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:31 PM
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If a man does not text me back or show interest in courting me, he gets dropped immediately. Why would I waste my time with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:27 PM
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What part of having to share your husband’s resources, time, attention, and love with other females plus their children is beneficial for you? What are you actually getting out of it? Be honest. And I am not surprised that your husband, who has felt compelled by religion to restrict his desire for sexual variety, is now using religion as the vehicle to indulge in sexual variety. You understand he has been taught that marriage is the only way to enjoy sex. So now if he gets married to a lot of wo…
/r/RedPillWomen21/06/26 06:24 AM
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You built your marriage on monogamy and fidelity to that monogamous relationship. Your desire for monogamy and his desire for polygyny are simply not compatible. He took a vow to be faithful to you, so that’s the boundary I would uphold. He is absolutely coming from a place of wanting sexual variety, btw.
/r/RedPillWomen21/06/26 06:05 AM
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Everyone can try harder in dating, and some effort can yield greater results. The difference is where your starting positions are. A person with average intelligence can study really hard and reap the benefits of all that studying. A person with low intelligence can study really hard and make a little progress, but they likely will not have the same outcome as the first person. For that matter, a depressed person can get on medication, and behavioral therapy or coping strategies can help with be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:55 AM
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You don’t expect anything from them, they can try or not, it’s up to them. But is he expecting to be chosen while being ugly, ND, and depressed? I mean not that I think he deserves to be lonely, but the reality is that being in a relationship requires both attracting people and being enjoyable to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:36 AM
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I am not a feminist. Mostly I have a problem with recent feminist efforts being largely internet-based ideology and awareness campaigns that have no actionable takeaway. One of my minors in undergrad was Women’s and Gender Studies, my major was Anthropology with a mixed focus on biological/evolutionary and sociocultural anthropology. I have read a lot of feminist literature, explored various feminisms, and while I don’t necessarily have a problem with them, I just do not resonate with being a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:12 AM
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No one has ever thought that men should do those things “to be nice.” If anything, the dating norm that men take the effort to plan a date and pay for it is exactly for intentional dating: that he is serious about courting her. It’s relationship escalation. Anyone who is not mentally challenged will understand that men plan and execute dates to signal his further interest in her, but this is where social competence comes into play. If you do all this stuff knowing women find it masculine and att…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:45 PM
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While I agree that men should not talk to his wife if he is going to be adulterous, that he should just do it, the glaring difference here is that when you enter a marriage with someone, you are making a vow to be faithful to them. Or, generally, when people enter monogamous relationships, there is a mutual expectation of fidelity. There is no such expectation between 2 strangers. Men are also not obligated to be honest with a woman he approaches about whether he wants a relationship or just sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:50 PM
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Except that has nothing to do with the OP, which is about women lying over why she doesn't want to date a man, or ghosting him, instead of being truthful to him. Like, no one, nowhere, not in the OP and not in my comment, was talking about how women misuse safety concerns to drug and rob men. Legitimately, your comment comes off like this: OP: I think people should drink beer instead of wine. Me: Well I like wine, I think it's a better choice for me. You: People have used wine as a means to pois…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:25 PM
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Imagine if women stuck around to be honest despite fearing for her safety, and the guy got aggressive with her, or even harmed her. Men on this subreddit, red pill men, would have a field day telling her that she should have been more aware and that she needs to take accountability for her actions. No thank you. My safety will always come first. Not telling a man why I don't want to date him is not taking away his autonomy. That man does not have the right to my personal thoughts, and if you rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:38 PM
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You are just proving my point that men are indiscriminate in their sexual behavior which is why they are able to dehumanize women in to sexual objects. That women should not have personal boundaries when he wants her body for his pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:20 PM
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I feel creeped out if strange men asks me for sex because it’s an invasion of my personal boundaries. I am not creeped out if a man I’m dating wants to have sex with me. Do you understand the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:41 PM
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This has absolutely nothing to do with my comment or the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:25 PM
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This is exhibit A of males pretending to not understand that the OP is arguing that wanting a bangmaid in all seriousness is okay. That’s what this topic is about. Not “is it okay to joke around with your spouse and tease them.” Come back when you have something of value to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:04 PM
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I say this as the kind of woman you want. I do 100% of the cooking and probably 80% of the cleaning. If my fiancé told me he loves that I’m a “bangmaid,” I would leave him. We have agreed upon responsibilities that fall in line with gendered roles, but a bangmaid is not loved. She is an object whose duty is to serve him, and he does not have to consider her wants or needs, or even who she is outside of her cooking and cleaning. She’s not another person to him; her entire being is her role. Would…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:46 PM
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No, this is to show how men are perfectly capable of understanding how some actions are a violation personal boundaries, and they can understand feeling discomfort when those social lines of his personal space and boundaries are crossed. But then they are either too retarded and feigning ignorance to understand why directly asking a woman to be a sex object for him is crossing personal boundaries and causes discomfort. It’s the literal action of objectification. So your take away here should be:…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:36 PM
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Male sexuality shows us that men have a greater ability to part out bodies to focus only how it can function as a sex object, and this is why men have higher rates of having sex with non-consenting participants, children, animals, and deceased people. Last week, a man here posted about how he wished it was normal to walk up to strangers (women) and ask them for sex. Like, “Hello, I love your body and I would like to have sex with you.” Tons of men agreed in those comments that women should be am…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:40 PM
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“you see with a attractive man still gymnastic women will play in their mind”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:20 PM
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These questions are always confusing because how a man approaches me, talks to me, flirts with me, how he plans a date, him offering to pay, how he treats me in the bedroom — all of that is part of his personality like decisiveness, confidence, wit/humor, taking charge, assertiveness, competence, masculinity. Watching him display those traits is hot af. The guys who don’t have these traits either won’t do them, or they’ll be incompetent at it. 100% of what I’m attracted to is who he is, looks or…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:07 AM
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They’re both repulsive. A man who pays for a prostitute is slightly less repulsive than a man who pays for Only Fans, and both of these are less repulsive than a man who lies to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:05 AM
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What do you mean by “the right”? Freedom is the foundation of the west, so it’s not like people aren’t allowed to seek out traditional gender roles. No one is saying you cannot seek them out. But that your reasoning for seeking it out can possibly be problematic. It is one thing to prefer gender roles and seek out a compatible partner. It’s another thing to say that men/women should fall in line with gender roles simply because of their gender. The people saying the latter tend to be red pill me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:39 AM
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Likely. Though, it won’t be a deal breaker for all women. There are a lot of women in the subreddit who either pursued their partners, or there was no real “approaching.” Like, they started talking as a result of their social circles, college, or they were friends before, something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:23 PM
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Idk what other women mean when they say that, but here’s what I mean: I want a man to be confident in approaching me, flirting with me, being assured of himself when he’s talking to me. Decisive, like he knows what he’s doing. It’s way way way hot. Some men are not like this, which is why I include it in what I am attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:02 PM
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I really think a lot of your posts are gross generalizations of behavior across a spectrum even if somewhere, there is a nugget of truth to them. Like, the kind of men you describe exist, everyone knows that. But it feels like every day you are ascribing that behavior onto most men, or even most unselected men, when that is likely not the case. I have never actually seen men expect women to put up with his shitty attitude outside of the one-offs here and there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:15 PM
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Yes, and to be honest I probably fit the bill of your OP given that I’m red pill, and so believe in some degree of sex essentialism. Like, I believe in some notion male and female nature that are factors in how we behave and what we find attractive. Not 100% of course, but it’s there. The reason PPBs get such a bad rap is because there is a really loud number of them who use this outlook of life to be very exploitative with how they treat women. Like, they want to have “Chad” experience of being…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:24 PM
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Yeah men saying this is easy is crazy. They can just head right on over to the makeup subreddits where people are sharing their first few makeup attempts, and see how botched it looks when you’re starting to learn. And men can DEFINITELY sense when it’s bad, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:58 PM
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I don’t know, it could swing all the way back around like Norway, Finland, Sweden etc. But you are also asking the wrong person for this, as I am red pill thus I believe in some degree of sex essentialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:53 PM
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I can only speak for the Philippines because I’m from there, but “men and women are just xyz” is still common. Sometimes even in urban populations where women are educated and participate in the workforce. It’s often believed with dating norms and motherhood, though there are concentrated efforts to stop gender based violence, men sexually harassing women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:43 PM
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So, I’m from the Philippines. The urban women there are in some transitionary period right now where they are trying to break out of gendered norms, and in someways they have. The country has had 2 female presidents, urban populations have high female economic participation. Socially, men are still very sexist opinionated about women, and tend to treat women accordingly (harassment, SA, violence). That sort of innocent “men and women are just this way” to a high degree is typically believed by r…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:31 PM
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There is an interesting pattern where, the closer you get to egalitarianism, men and women fall back into their preferred gendered interests. It is this way in Nordic countries with men and women choosing gendered subjects of interest in university, and also have a gendered divide with their professions. The gender-equality paradox. They aren’t “standards” more so than people exercising their freedom of choice to… fall in line with the standard lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:18 PM
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Respectfully I disagree as an average looking woman. Average looking women are notable to men when they get dolled up and dressed up. Your avg woman just as she is, going on a grocery run on a Tuesday afternoon, is invisible to men. There is no average woman out there being inundated with male attention for being average. Men take modern beauty for granted in my experience. Like they expect women to just be polished up, and when they aren’t, they sense something is wrong. They describe her as si…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:00 PM
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They don’t notice the eyebrows until it’s ugly lol, or they can sense that she doesn’t look polished but cannot articulate why. Men take modern beauty norms for granted all the time. Like they expect it to just happen, and then when women fall outside of this, they call her “unhygienic” or “homely”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:58 PM
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It’s not under discussed at all. But the thing with PPBs is that their relative value goes a lot further in a place like the Philippines than it does in the west. So while they know women are like as you describe, they too have additional bargaining ‘power’ (money) to break through the gender essentialism stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:51 PM
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A man who wants to commit to you, will. Men put their desire for sexual variety aside when he is ready to commit. Provision is not commitment. I genuinely think, in your mind, your experience being cheated on is causing this response of “refreshment” at his “radical honesty.” It’s almost like an excuse to not be hurt by the betrayal, but you know deep down this is not what you want. So don’t choose it.
/r/RedPillWomen19/06/26 05:09 PM
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We have had this discussion before. I don’t care that men don’t want to date sluts and whores. They shouldn’t date anyone they don’t want to. I’m not trying to change men’s disgust if a woman tells him she wants to get gang banged or have a train run on her. But again why do I have to say this in order for men to accept that I don’t want to date bisexual men? Like men certainly know that non-progressive women exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:49 PM
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I’m a strictly heterosexual heteronormative cis woman who is into heterosexual heteronormative cis men. Even watching gay porn gives me the ick. I mean, gay and bi people should absolutely get their freak on and have sex, but I cannot control the sight of it being turn off, nor can I control being turned off at the thought of my partner having sex with another man. I often wonder why we are pushed to change how our attraction functions. Someone telling me I should widen my perception of masculin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:59 PM
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Average women are noticeable because they make an effort to be noticeable. Otherwise they’re passed over. Some guy who just got transformed into a woman is going to have unkempt grooming (by female standards). Wild eyebrows, no skincare, no makeup, hairy legs, hairy pits. Attention is not automatic unless you standing out to men in some way. The vast majority of average women who go outside on a regular day are not inundated with male attention. They get male attention when they look and dress f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:03 PM
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I am not going to date someone who is good long-term but lacks excitement, spark, charisma, and confidence. I date men who are all those things AND are stable, patient, loyal, loving, etc. Presenting the choices like women are bound to choosing one over the other is so completely brain dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:34 PM
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Genuinely good people, or good most of the time, I would say is ~70% of men and women. I mean primates, and humans by extension, are prosocial and cooperative. When they are among their community, family, and friends, they are doing right and treating people right a majority of the time. People who have their shit together is a lot smaller. It’s hard to gauge this tho—what do we mean by this? Little consumer debt? No debt? Education and a career? Able to afford rent without a roommate? Like, my …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:14 PM
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Depression and BPD, among others, are not mental conditions that impact ability to give consent, nor are they developmental conditions that leave people in a childlike state (like autism), so I have no idea why they are being referenced here. Also no one has ever said any amount of alcohol means you cannot consent either. Like… no one in the real world says that. If someone is stumbling around and cannot orient themselves, they’re fading in and out of consciousness, then that would be a situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:04 PM
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He is going to retain male mannerisms and male behavior, which other men will perceive as non-feminine. It will be a turn off to most other men. He will also struggle because he’s going to have to learn to go through the whole beauty ordeal. Average women in our natural state are invisible to men. Like, no grooming, no makeup, no fashion. He’s also going to be really bad at these things when he first starts out, so he’ll have to practice and get better. I do think he’ll get more thirsty male att…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:54 PM
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Huh? I have a whole top comment detailing when and which demographics of men care about income. I repeated the section about top earning men to the commenter above me because it was relevant to the question she asked. My fiancé would never marry someone with zero education or without a career. It’s because it shows value alignment on how we want to raise our children, and he wants to build generational wealth for us to pass on. Nobody here is butthurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:57 AM
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A gold digger has a specific connotation in which women choose men primarily because of the money, and don’t care about him otherwise. Women get labeled as gold digger more frequently than men simply because there are more female gold diggers than male ones. Relationships should be built on reciprocity of effort — I don’t like using the word ‘equal’ because no one can calculate what equal is. What you and your man value will be different, and most likely you will perceive the value of certain ac…
/r/RedPillWomen19/06/26 05:57 AM
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Very wealthy men have the most varied preferences; anything from models with no higher education, to Lauren Sanchez who has a Bachelor’s degree and is an entrepreneur, to artists, to attorneys and whatever else. What they are looking for is cultural competence, not necessarily income.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:49 AM
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Do you mean broke, like actually broke, or working class?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:00 AM
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Jeff Bezos’ first wife was another Ivy League graduate, and they met while they were both working at the same hedge fund. So that example is exactly as the OP describes. They were the same social and socioeconomic background when they started dating lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:53 AM
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I think the misogyny is a correlation with specifically red pill men, especially young men just coming into TRP or PPD, not “men who don’t care about a woman’s income.” You are substituting one group in place of the other, which is not accurate, when you specifically mean red pill men. On the assortative mating via social proximity, we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:45 AM
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Even with that technicality, I disagree that they are usually misogynists. I have never seen this correlation in my ~31 years of life. For that matter, I don’t know where you got that men who like to spoil are assholes compensating for lack of personality. They spoil because they want to. What is the reasoning behind that assumption? Also in most cases, men do not look for a specific income. The ones care, care about some general idea of her social background, which is related but not the same a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:25 AM
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A man not caring about his partner’s income does not mean he’s a misogynist. It just means he’s either in a lower income bracket where upward socioeconomic mobility tends to not be an immediate concern, or he has so much disposable income and generational wealth to where his partner’s income doesn’t matter either way. The group of men for whom income matters are almost always going to be professionals and the upper middle class. His partner’s education and job will be relevant here as this signa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:03 AM
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I agree — I'm an extroverted person who has always has preference for introverts, and this is part of that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:02 AM
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Lack of confidence is a problem with either anxiety or insecurity, both of which can be addressed by a therapist, medication, personal growth, or a combo of all three. Wit and charisma are social skills that can be practiced even in safe environments like work and with friends. It requires command of verbal and non-verbal communication, listening skills and observational skills. Autistic people are likely to struggle with this, but their mileage will vary given autism is a spectrum and not all a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:01 AM
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Changing personality from what to what? Introversion doesn't mean dull, boring, or socially awkward, and a lot of people (men on this subreddit) fundamentally misunderstand this. Introverted people are defined by shorter social batteries and their preference for smaller crowds. It does not mean they are blundering social idiots, unfunny, uncharismatic, or unconfident.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:21 AM
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I don’t believe that a man venting about one gold digger date is a reflection of his views about women as a whole, even if he’s like “women are all gold digging whores.” I mean the guy is just annoyed and whatever in the moment, same with a girl who got stared at by some creep and that interaction lasted all of 10 seconds. The vast majority of people irl have moments of being like “ew women/men” based on bad experiences, I don’t put too much stock in them. It would be a problem if that specific …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:46 PM
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Do you mean while actively dating? At my age I would expect a man to get it already. If I were 24 and younger, I would not mind the inexperience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:52 PM
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100% agree. Even in RPW we tell women not to go off reading the male TRP forum… it’s like men cracking open 2XChromie for a good self-loathing sesh. Unironically:
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:38 PM
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In the area I'm from (American South), chivalry and men paying is mostly the norm, and it's something I would look for, but it's not a deal breaker if we had a lot of chemistry otherwise. So I would handle these situations on a case by case basis. For what it's worth, I split the first date with my fiancé (though he did offer first, and I offered to split, and he accepted). He is the most generous partner I've ever had, and he is an incredible leader with a heavy focus on future orientation.
/r/RedPillWomen18/06/26 09:07 PM
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I would have given grace for carpooling using her car, since he had just driven 2 hours and isn't from the area. As for the coffee, it's common for people to have low stakes meetups, and lots of younger millennial and Gen Z women actually prefer this type of thing as well, so it's not unheard of in the grand scheme of things. It's fine if that's not OP's thing, since I know decisiveness and assertiveness are often attractive qualities in men, but you are calling this man you don't know "cheap" a…
/r/RedPillWomen18/06/26 08:50 PM
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Who pays on a date is highly dependent on the dating culture in your area, and I don't think it's necessarily an indicator that a man isn't a leader. It's also becoming more common for men today to not offer to pay in order to filter for women he's more comfortable dating (egalitarian etc.). If you like him, I wouldn't automatically rule him out. There's no need to talk to him about this, though. Just go on the date and if he behaves the same way, then decide if this is compatible with you or no…
/r/RedPillWomen18/06/26 08:19 PM
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How does this in any way address the content of your OP or what is actually being debated here?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:31 PM
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So then by your own admission here, they're not seeking advice. They're using places like PPD as a sounding board to publicly process their emotions, some of which include sentiments about how women should lower their standard and that women are responsible for male loneliness. Of course women's perspective on this will not be favorable. Just the other day some guy posted a Q4W about how women just need to give men more sex because it will be good for him, and women are supposed to respond to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:29 PM
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This answer is going to be very obvious, but the line between caring and controlling is whatever you decide with that specific partner. The reason you find it inconsistent is because... "women" as a demographic all do not have the same line on this. Kind of like how what men consider "too slutty" to wear is also inconsistent across all men because... men are individuals with individual preferences lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:14 PM
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When women say that kind of stuff, it's not in response to men seeking advice. It's in response to men saying that women should lower their standards, saying women are responsible for male loneliness, etc. When men want to debate women about dating, that's not even seeking advice. It's... arguing. Why would women give advice in turn? On a place like PPD, the objective is to debate attraction and relationship dynamics, not to give advice. Men should be seeking advice from whomever they want, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:58 PM
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Something being a turn-off or not a preference doesn't mean you despise them. Submissive, non-assertive men are a turn-off for me, but it doesn't mean I despise those men. They simply are not compatible with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:51 PM
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Hi! Normally I don't advertise this, but I'm one of the moderators at PPD. What you are seeing there is a result of many incels/unselected men gathering on a debate subreddit because they've been shut out of both TRP and Reddit as a whole with the deletion of their spaces. And, as it's a debate subreddit, people there tend to be more inflammatory than what you would see in real life, which is true of even the married and blue pill participants. It's best to think of male and female nature as "ba…
/r/RedPillWomen18/06/26 05:43 PM
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Your title has nothing to do with the fact that young men are not the first option anymore (even though they are, most relationships are still relatively close in age). Deep dislike or hate is not the emotion being felt. It's indifference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:01 PM
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Well there’s a reason I phrased it like “we” because I don’t think she should assign blame to him. Phrasing it as something that impact the relationships assigns blame to no one, and shows she is willing to take responsibility for this too. But this is what worked for me in my own relationship as the higher libido partner. Men are not mind readers, and I don’t expect my fiancé to understand something is a problem for me if I don’t tell him that.
/r/RedPillWomen18/06/26 04:20 PM
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Crazy that you cannot understand some men are naturally masculine and protective. Like you’re having a whole crash out over this, it’s bizarre. If you don’t wanna do it, then don’t. Some men will still be naturally protective, that’s out of your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:19 PM
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No, not at all. I’ve never been “pumped and dumped,” I vet well, I haven’t experienced any major problems outside of my very first relationship when I was a teenager. As for your other question, men with no experience are still figuring out what they want out of a relationship. It’s one thing to think about it, and another thing to experience it and then adjust your expectations and desires based on having the experience. Where I’m at in life, I don’t want to wait for another person to figure th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:11 PM
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No experience is bad when I do not want to teach him relationship things, nor do I want to be his starter girlfriend. No experience was fine when I was younger than 25. If I were single tomorrow, I would see it as a red flag now that I’m 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:44 PM
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There are lots of free attractive and good men if you are within the demographic to date them seriously lol. You have to be in the social proximity to meet them, and you have to have the correct SMV to attract him, and the RMV to keep him, but yeah there are tons of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:37 PM
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The money is whatever, don’t care. Him not being chivalrous, not protective or assertive would ick me out. I prefer traditional masculinity to the point where I do not find anything else attractive. I prefer being the one who cooks and does most cleaning, plus I want kids, so that point is irrelevant to me. Chances are I would not enjoy that kind of relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:01 AM
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Talk to him and tell him how you're feeling. "I feel like we've been losing some intimacy and I would love for us to recover some of it." And when my fiancé works long hours, it's usually me who initiates cuddling and non-sexual touch, and I ease my way into sexual touch from there. I'm going to be honest though — medical residency is just one of those seasons of life where one partner (you in this case) has to be a little more understanding of how hard it is on his body, on his sleep schedule, …
/r/RedPillWomen17/06/26 10:13 PM
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So, assuming he was watching this still when you got together, 6 years is a long time to be "in" red pill and not get over the anger phase. I would consider this a large red flag and would put the marriage on hold (of course, I understand this is hard to do if you've already put a deposit down on a venue and wedding vendors). I wouldn't recommend engaging with him when he talks about red pill stuff. In those moments, he's looking for something to be angry about, and looking for a chance to keep …
/r/RedPillWomen17/06/26 10:01 PM
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There's a reason why RPW does not necessarily advise women to choose red pill men, as they often feel much anger and resentment toward women while consuming red pill content. Really, though, it sounds like the main issue here is his behavior toward you like threatening to break up and putting you down. You've been dating for 6 years — how old are the both of you? Has he always been this way, or is this a recent development because of the red pill stuff?
/r/RedPillWomen17/06/26 09:21 PM
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Relationship dynamics has always been the hobby of married women, who historically have been the ones to set up their unmarried friends up with men. And to be completely honest, this subreddit is for debating attraction and dating dynamics, and the people most qualified to talk about this are 1) Sex havers, 2) People in marriages or LTRs, and 3) People who were previously partnered or married, even if they decide they no longer want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:40 PM
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Common. I’ve had male friends even shoot their shot once I was already partnered. Like, they never thought to do it while I was single, instead choosing to do it right when I got a bf. It’s for this reason I think it is near impossible to have male friends unless you are very fat, ugly, and basically not in a position for men to see you as a sexual being.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:03 PM
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Brother do you want me to link the thread here. It’s embarrassing for you. You want to subjugate women and it’s disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:59 PM
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Common, as in non rare and not unheard of. It does not mean the majority of women experience this. Even globally, it’s only estimated to be ~30% of women. And among all abuse types, IPV is the most common. I do not choose abusive partners, so whether someone is actually abusive vs. whether they want to do it are the same. They are all bad, horrible people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:56 PM
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Most common does not mean the majority of women experience this. It means among all types of abuse, IPV is the most common. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:55 PM
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Those are transitions into adulthood, not celebrating puberty. And the German one is religious and celebrates when you can understand the sacraments of the Lord, so you can take communion. There is no place in the west that celebrates menstruation, and the celebration of adulthood also happens for men (16th, 18th or 21st birthday stuff, bar mitzvah, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:45 PM
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This post could only be written by someone non-western. This is not practiced in the west. There are coming of age parties like Sweet 16s (which were not common even when I was a teenager), but no one is celebrating menstruation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:44 PM
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I dated in my social circles. I am a normal average looking woman with a professional career. I dated men who were just around me, who were attracted to me. These men were also totally normal. We both make UMC income, but that’s a result of proximity and social circles. You don’t see us because we are totally unremarkable and live normal lives. This is a “you” problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:20 PM
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Bro you literally told us all in the Daily Thread that it is your mother’s job to cook food for you, and that you think it is your girlfriend’s responsibility to handle and wash your dirty smegma penis. The latter should be considered abuse alone 💀😭
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:06 PM
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Except it is the minority of women who experience IPV, so the logic of selected men = abusers is not accurate. For that matter, unselected = good is not accurate either. The way some men on this sub talk to women or fantasize about harming women does not make them any better. Notice that I did not say unselected = bad, because this is not an accurate characterization.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:05 PM
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It’s that unselected men feel they are good but women are not choosing him because he is ugly. So he applies that logic to every unselected man, and then the opposite to selected men as well. The logic then goes: Unselected = good, caring Selected = bad, abusive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:39 PM
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It’s not that it causes anything bad, it’s that I simply do not feel sexual attraction—like I don’t get the urge to sleep with a man—unless I’ve interacted with him. When I can see how he talks and responds, when he makes me laugh and I can smell his cologne, and when he’s flirting with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:53 AM
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At the risk of pregnancy and STDs?? Lol??
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:38 AM
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Why would I have sex with more men? What does that do for me? Especially when men berate women who have more sex, hello???
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:19 AM
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Why is that silly? I don’t feel attraction to men unless I interact with them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:00 AM
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Internal questions are allowed to be asked when the OP is asking a different demographic within their gender. Like, women who don’t hook up asking women who do participate in hookups. Or men who are not passport bros asking men who are passport bros. Even if this was from a man, they are clearly not agreeing with the faction of men who are concerned about male loneliness. So, this post is allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:37 AM
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I lust after average men, or any man, when they give me something to lust over. When they are charming and seductive. I don’t look at any men and lust after them just because of how he looks. I have responsive desire, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:30 AM
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Being there for each other is not needing each other. It’s you showing up for each other and choosing to be each others’ support. That doesn’t mean you need them. It means you want them to be there for you, which is a reasonable expectation in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:13 AM
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What does this look like in a practical way? What should you need each other for? Being able to rely on your partner is not really a dependency, it’s that you are providing each other mutual support.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:01 AM
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I mean technically I don’t need my partner, or any partner. I’m with him because I want to be with him, not because I need to rely on him for anything. He brings me a lot of joy and love, which I wouldn’t have otherwise, but I wouldn’t describe this as dependency. In your mind, what does a “healthy amount of dependency” look like? You’re not really describing what it is, so it’s hard to debate this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:44 AM
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Typically those top men will partner long-term with top 5-20% women. But before he finds this woman, in theory he has the choice to fuck around with his pick of the litter. In my own observation though, these men don’t really “go for” average or ugly women on a regular basis, unless she is upper class/in his social class or something. He just fucks in the general pool of above average to pretty women. The men dumpster diving for uggos are average men. Those are the ones who fuck and date down.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:35 AM
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Tbh I don’t quite see how this pertains to RPW and modern dating dynamics? What you are describing, imo, is the individualism required by capitalism, in where all people with disabilities are disenfranchised. It’s hard to blanket this with “feminism” when disabled women can still find husbands. And, to be completely honest, a disabled and unattractive woman would not have been chosen by a man anyway. She would have lived as a spinster (at least in my culture).
/r/RedPillWomen16/06/26 11:30 PM
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That video where she shoots the gator gives me the ick in a way I cannot really explain. It’s not the violence, because I own several firearms and have always dated men who own and shoot. It’s that he looks like a bitch while doing it 😭 LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:34 PM
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I am mostly indifferent, it doesn't do anything for me, but it's also not a turn off. If he's into tech (and here I mean, not just into the latest gadgets, but he is a software or firmware engineer or something who is actually knowledgeable), that's respectable and a man being knowledgeable can be a turn on in some ways. But a man being into anime, having anime posters, female anime pillows, etc. is a turn off. But that's nerdy in a different flavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:28 PM
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I don’t agree. I disagree with the whole premise of your post that women feel entitled to “men’s” safety. Women feel entitled to the safety of their father and husband, which was true in the olden days and is true now. When she was treated poorly by another man, no woman has ever relied on “society” to make her feel safe. She told her father, and he + her brothers, cousin, uncles, whatever, hunted down that son of bitch and murdered him. Or threatened him, or hurt him, or whatever. She did not g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:12 PM
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Men already do not have moral or social obligations to “women” as a demographic. Men famously care only about his family (and sometimes close friends), with no regard to society whatsoever, and that’s why they generally oppose things like welfare and social assistance. When men care about female causes, they are caring specifically about women that are part of his tribe, like his wife, daughters, sisters, mother, cousins, etc. It’s not and has never been about “society” or “women” at large. Men …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:41 PM
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Huh? Adam is literally the wold's first accountability dodger, he blamed Eve and even blamed God: 12 The man said, "The woman whom YOU gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” These are your other examples (from real life): Something like this man said he needed $5,000 to get his brother out of jail but he had told me multiple times before he was an only child. Or he had five kids by seven baby mamas or how he needs to buy insurance but he doesn't have a permit. This is jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:30 PM
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How does the Adam/Eve example work, when Adam also had the info direct from God, the big man himself, and then ate the fruit anyway. Like if we are taking this biblical story to be any accurate representation of male and female nature, then men are weak bitches who can't lead and choose to listen to bad women over other smart men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:12 PM
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Because in the show, Rachel was attracted to him. In the real world, there is no such thing as a "looksmatch" -- that's black pilled retardation. There is no third party or set of guidelines that objectively or accurately assesses what a 6 is vs. a 4 or a 9 in women, and what this matches up to in numerical value for men. Realistically, your looksmatch is what you can consistently get in the dating market. The very idea of believing in the concept of "looksmatch" is low IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:16 PM
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Believing in a looksmatch is incredibly retarded lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:09 PM
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He dated other women while pregnant because it was Rachel who put up that boundary and she started dating people first. He wanted to marry her and she said no. Yeah he had multiple failed marriages but that is one of the quirks the show gave him for comedy and not necessarily a reflection of the realistic parts of his character. Him not being attractive enough for her is entirely subjective. Rachel also convinced one of Ross’s gfs to shave her head out of jealousy, and cold shouldered him after …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:08 PM
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Ross is not ugly lol. In the show the reason he does not get women is because he is too awkward. Some women find this endearing, but irl this would result in a mixed bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:02 PM
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I just got done finishing watching Friends (again), and I was actually more sympathetic to Ross this time around. I don’t see any of them as bad people, but they are rather normal people who have exaggerated bad moments for the sake of comedy or drama. Like even Rachel does not put up boundaries with Mark and allows him to come over and comfort her knowing that friendship is the cause of the rift between her and Ross. AND in the end, it turns out Mark actually does have a crush on Rachel, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:00 PM
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I actually do not think Ross is a good example of your point here. Ross is incredibly attentive to Rachel, even when they weren’t together yet, and has always supported Rachel in following her dreams of working in fashion. Later when he gets her pregnant, he puts his own feelings aside to co-parent in the way Rachel wants to, and is an incredibly present parent. On the pragmatic side, he’s a professor of paleontology, has a PhD, which is still respectable despite Rachel always telling him his do…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:40 PM
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The copious amount of gay jokes (“that’s gay” / “fake and gay”) and liberal use of the word “faggot” in millennial youth culture did not tip you off to the fact that traditional masculinity was still preferred? I’m not asking to be snarky, I just… cannot imagine any young person in this time period not understanding this. The closest we got to sweet sensitive men being preferred was when they were emo, poetic, and quoted a lot of Fall Out Boy and looked like Pete Wentz, lol. But that’s not sweet…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:21 PM
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Unless he has no friends or family, he is not alone
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:06 PM
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This is irrelevant to the OP and the debate at hand; you are just talking because you want to be angry about something. In which case I’ll pray for you. Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:26 AM
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Doesn’t matter why, the fact is that choosing him won’t fix the loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:16 AM
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The ‘cels think they can escape jestering by not dating, and yet they are here jestering on PPD for our entertainment. Curious. 🫪
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:26 PM
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Loneliness is the feeling of distance and disconnectedness, which can be physical or emotional. It does not mean you have to be physically alone to experience this. See: college students who are surrounded by peers their own age 24/7 and yet feel loneliness. No one in their right mind would think you have to be physically alone to feel loneliness. If that were the case, incels should not feel lonely since they still have family and friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:06 PM
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Er... yes... Being lonely or loneliness is the feeling. Being physically isolated is "alone" not "lonely." Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:00 PM
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Maybe if you do not live in the real world or anything close to reality, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:01 PM
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In their minds, distribution of the material is more morally wrong than consuming the material. Therefore they are better for looking at naked bodies online, rather than being the one selling their naked bodies online.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:44 PM
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"Women it is this easy, choose men who do not treat you with love and care, who don't enjoy your company, to be your boyfriends!" LMAOOOO. I have a fiancé who I love very much. He lights up my whole world and I do the same for him. I know so many great married men who who are loved and love in return. Relationships are built on mutual love and care, and right now you are projecting your choice of shitty partners on everyone else, which is not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:21 PM
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Oh, you mean men want to treat a woman like some fuck hole and not care about her at all besides her being nice to look at and her breathing? Great argument you have for misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:03 PM
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LMAO this is so retarded — If two people are not even offering each other emotional fulfillment (read: love) and mutual enjoyment, why are these people even in a relationship? That's the cornerstone of relationships, that you make each other happy and fulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:54 PM
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Mate we are having a laugh at you treating women like complete aliens who apparently lack human emotions according to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:33 PM
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Women are not some foreign beings removed from human experience. Women of course value life milestones achieved together, shared memories, etc. When high school relationships fall apart, it's because you are both starting to shift priorities on what you value, or what you're looking for out of life. I was cheated on by my high school bf after we went off to different colleges, but even without him cheating, that relationship wouldn't have lasted. He preferred that I didn't start building my care…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:32 PM
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LMAOOO but women are buckets?? with holes??
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:24 PM
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I've never actually seen adult men bully each other in a social setting. I've seen male friend groups where they sometimes rib each other, but it's all mutual and no one is actually hurt. My man being able to gossip with me is not a function of attraction, it's that I'm fucking nosy and I want the tea about his workplace LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:56 PM
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How does this apply? If young women are either married or cohabitating by age 26, they would have had to choose these men in their early 20s. Young women in their early 20s are not beta buxxing. That very idea is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. They're the demographic that gets long-term relationships out of their hookups or casual dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:39 PM
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What happened to his facial proportions 😭 Like why does his nose look like that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:25 PM
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No I mean leaving dirty things out with food bits on them is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:13 PM
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So then what you are actually describing is not average. It’s above average. You think most Americans—including men—have their financial shit together? The average man has $8,000 in credit card debt that rolls over month to month. Most men live paycheck to paycheck. Most men are not in a position to be having a 3-child family. Most men do not share my political views or religious background. So even by these factors alone, they are not compatible with me. I’m sure they are nice people. But they …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:56 PM
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They settle because they feel some pressure to do life things. Being married is one of the last adult milestones. I know of some men even who didn’t really want to be married, but he proposed to his wife because he felt that’s what he was supposed to do. But other than that I can’t tell you why they choose to do this. It does not mean they’re not lonely though. And it’s not like every woman settles. They are just lonely and still choose to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:48 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with them, you just aren’t compatible. There is way more that goes into a relationship than being a decent person. Is his lifestyle compatible with mine? What are his political views? What’s his religion? Does he share the same values as I do? Does he want kids? How many kids does he want? What is his preferred parenting style? Will my parents like and approve of him? I come from a different culture than most Americans, so is he willing to take the time to learn about it? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:44 PM
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Leaving dinner dishes, pots and pans etc. out overnight is crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:34 PM
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Women choosing some man she is not attracted to is them choosing the social expectations of marriage but still remaining lonely. A good friend of mine has parents in an arranged marriage, and her mom is lonely despite having built a life with a man. Women who can find a man at the grocery store but aren’t attracted to him are still lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:29 PM
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Being decent is not the same as being compatible. Those are two very distinct things. I can believe that ~85% of my greater social circle are decent people. That doesn’t mean they are compatible with me. It doesn’t mean they will be good for me to partner with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:23 PM
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Who are these women? How many career driven women? Like give us a figure or a percentage. We cannot explain the thought process of these women — don’t you think you should be asking them yourself? Instead of talking at us as if we’re supposed to know? Also educated women and middle class to upper middle class women famously are the most likely to get married. So they are, in fact, getting chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:16 AM
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It’s not that I think he is ugly, it’s that he looks too metrosexual / feminine for him to register in my brain as attractive to me, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:19 AM
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You are going on tangents that are unrelated to the current conversation. I am not speaking about religion, I am talking about values like “women’s freedom should be taken away.” It’s distinctly non-western.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:45 PM
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The west is about freedom — subjugating women into birthing children is non-western. So really, you should move to Iraq or something where freedom is optional and you can force a woman to have your baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:28 PM
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I’m not progressive, and nothing I have said here is progressivism. Non-western is not about race, it’s about having ideals that are not compatible with the west. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:04 PM
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Nobody is believing you that you are not non-western lol. This is also a poorly hidden alt account for the other one that got you banned lol. You still are not understanding what socialization is lmfao. It’s okay, one day you will get there!!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:48 PM
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I have never needed casual sex to feel desired, nor do I think the experience of causal is a “need.” Young women who are hooking up with men are also getting relationships out of the same demographic. This is typically what happens in environments like college or workplaces where a lot of young people are (service industry, retail), and so they are turning short-term relationships into long-term ones. Then you have a good portion of women who don’t hook up, but sleep with the men they are planni…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:44 PM
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Deal with it case by case. My fiancé is 5’7” and I dated a man as short as 5’5” (I’m 5’2” for context). I’ve dated mostly short men and I can count on less than one hand the number of men who were insecure about their height to the point that it actively turned me off. You should stay open to dating the men in the height range you specified!
/r/RedPillWomen14/06/26 03:49 PM
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He’s not bad looking. Like objectively I can see that he is good looking, but he looks gay and non-masculine to me, which makes me unattracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:51 PM
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Are you going to keep asking retarded questions when you have already admitted that women “just need to do it” and that “it’s very simples [sic]”?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:37 PM
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Why would you want women be forced to have sex with men to whom we are not attracted, especially when men: 1) complain that they do not want to be stuck in a relationship where the woman is not attracted, 2) complain that they do not want women to give him duty sex, 3) complain that women having sex with men lowers their value? If anything, my comment is the most red pilled among any retarded man’s thoughts, since I actually follow that 1) attraction cannot be negotiated, and 2) women are the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:33 PM
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First of all, I don’t think you know what unsocialized / proper socialization means, because it refers to the exposure of social norms, rules, and expectations, all of which women are more likely to be better at than men. Like… it’s about social interaction, lol. Anyway, women spend more time on domestic labor even when they work the same hours as the man in their household. Women volunteer more than men do. Women also give to charity more frequently than men do, and often a higher percentage of…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:34 PM
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Speak English next time because this is incomprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:06 PM
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Chivalry is about leadership and (giving) protection, which I would argue has very little to do with submission. They are also masculine behaviors, which is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:06 PM
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“Women” — obviously these are not the same women. What would ever possess you to assume that just because some Instagram thot is okay with doing this, it means regular everyday women are also okay doing this? Hello??
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:57 PM
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There is a lot of space between cold approach and women approaching, and this usually happens in mixed-gender environments. College/uni, repeated social events, people who work in a restaurant lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:54 PM
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You don’t think someone like Clavicular looks, well, gay? Feminine? Like I had never thought a man could look feminine handling a gun until I saw that video of him doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:16 AM
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I’m speaking here from personal experience rather than as necessarily RPW advice, lol. The insecurity over what vaginas look like was really hard for me to get over, and what you feel is completely natural. I’ve talked to so many women and have come to the conclusion that the mental aspect—being inhibited and unable to relax—is a large, if not the largest, factor in how much we’re able to enjoy sex. There’s a few ways to be less inhibited for sex and be more comfortable with you/your vaginal app…
/r/RedPillWomen14/06/26 02:26 AM
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I like masculine men like leadership and dominance and protection. If you mean hypermasculine to include aesthetics—like roided muscles, big beard, tattoos, I’m not into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:19 AM
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I got one about… 12 years ago. I didn’t have it in for very long (I came home from college and my mother threatened to rip it out of my face, lol). At the time, though, it was an expression of freedom and being “allowed” to choose things for myself, so I chose something that went with my vibe. Then again this was 12 years ago, when I was 18, and they weren’t yet as trendy as they are now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:14 AM
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Not with age, but typically when you meet someone who you are okay being more submissive with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:08 AM
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Meal prepping is fine to me, but LMAO I’ll admit I’m a macros hater, like, the thought of a man weighing out his chicken breasties is just kinda… 💀 I can’t really explain it. Then again, I’ve never cared for the intense muscular, low body fat % body. Body builder physique always reads as gay attraction coded to me rather than hetero attraction. That isn’t to say I don’t find fit men attractive, but none of my fit boyfriends have ever weighed out their food and refused to season it out of macro c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:20 PM
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In your opinion, how far can men take looksmaxxing before he starts to look effeminate/non-masculine? Is the boost in looks still worth the drop in perceived masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:53 PM
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Most men are not rapists and violent, but they are more likely to be violent and rapists than women. There’s a difference. Some blue haired retarded rad fem will just treat all men like they’re rapists and no one is changing her mind. So no matter what men say, she will never think differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:09 PM
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Yeah but it’s not like the men started making the claims of rape and violence first and that’s why these women think they’re animals. These women think men are animals anyway. There is nothing any man can do to change these women’s minds if they believe that is simply biological male nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:41 PM
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They don’t have any responsibility to you, or for your penis. That’s completely and totally absurd. It’s your responsibility to keep your hygiene up. Any woman who encounters a nasty penis should get up and leave. Same with men who encounter nasty vagina. It’s reasonable to expect that an adult keeps their genitals clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:27 PM
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Well, to me, man-hating feminists who believe all men are violent and rapists should not be surprised at this. If anything, it should seem very reasonable to everyone observing that men can be pushed into violent societal behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:24 PM
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It’s not accidental because they mean it. They genuinely believe that if enough men become sexless, men will rise up and start raping and pillaging like ye olden days. It’s a vague threat or foreshadowing of what will happen if women don’t start caring about sexless society. The red pill says a lot about male nature (their madonna/whore dual mating strategy, male violent nature, male polygyny, every man thinks about cheating and wants to even if he doesn’t follow through, etc.) But again, it’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:03 PM
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That woman is 100% correct and her response is reasonable. Why are you asking that a woman you’re having sex with cleans your penis and shows you how to do it? It’s your penis. Type it into Google. “How to wash my dick.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:42 PM
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What’s crazy is that he can just type into Google “How to clean penis” or whatever 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:40 PM
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Between men and women, I believe men are more likely to become violent. Besides, I would not put it past men anyway. Men are violent, that's okay. The red pill agrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:37 PM
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That is because not enough of them are incels. But when there are, apparently they will start raping and pillaging like ye good old days. The men here claim this every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:31 PM
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How would women know this about their casual sexy partners or men they hooked up with? This is not info that we get prior to sex, even for men we are interested in making boyfriends/LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:04 PM
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Well this is where we disagree — I think men are more likely than women to do some violent uprising, and this is proven by the sentiments in this very subredddit: that when too many men are unselected / become incels, they’ll become violent and start raping women, etc. Women never make these kinds of heinous claims of violence; men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:00 PM
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Women complain about unequal number female CEOs and women in leadership, but way more men than women actually want those positions. Women who say men are intimidated by their education (or career) cannot swallow the pill that they are probably just insufferable know-it-alls who are difficult to be around, considering women with higher education are more likely to be married compared to uneducated women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:28 PM
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How do you know the guys here have shitty personalities? It's a debate subreddit, how people act here is not necessarily a reflection of them outside of this subreddit. How do you know that unselected men are typically self-centered, lack social tact, fake being nice in order to get sex, etc.? By this logic, anyone who complains about the price of groceries is a disgusting poor who's lazy, entitled, too stupid to get a good job, and has a victim complex. In other words: they have those traits be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:14 PM
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That is not the question. The question is about women taking up arms for mass violence, and I answered that women are more likely to quit society over being violent. The comparison here is about two modes of behavior for women, not whether more men are abandoning society over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:47 PM
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Supporting welfare does not mean you don’t care if they’re not effective, that’s a false dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:23 PM
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Grifting and making money. That’s it.
/r/RedPillWomen12/06/26 03:19 PM
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That is not the same. My mom and I are friends now that I’m well into my adult life, but your children are not your friends. You shouldn’t treat them like friends while raising them. They do not provide mutual support or a chance to socialize with adults. It’s incredibly disingenuous that I describe that housewives and SAHMs have a social circle of family, friends and other moms, and you went “Your kids can provide this for you.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:08 PM
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No, I want 3 kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:59 PM
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I don’t know if I agree with this 100%. Because more women support things like welfare programs than men. Women often have a wider scope of empathy for “society” and it is often men who feel obligation only to his family or immediate circle/community. Like, even as a high earner, I would be okay if more money is taken from me in the form of taxes to be spent on society. Like public education, SNAP, disability benefits. But someone telling me to have 4 kids for God and country is so deeply unappe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:55 PM
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No, I have a fiancé.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:43 PM
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Okay let me clarify: physical aggression, armed violence, homicide. I find the likelihood very low that women are going to do this. It’s always men talking about how they can’t wait for the civil war to start so they can kill X or Y group or harm so-and-so politician.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:58 PM
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It will never happen because women typically do not feel aggression and violence to the extreme. Women are more likely to just let society fall and not care. Think about how many men plead with women over the marriage and birth rates, and women just do not care. The women who want to have kids want it because we find that experience fulfilling and happy, not out of some obligation to “society.” But also like… the problems women face right now are fragmented and not universal across all women. Li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:39 PM
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OP, you must debate others on your thread otherwise it will be removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:40 PM
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Because otherwise I would feel lonely. Being social is a deeply ingrained human quality; our evolution and community structure is reliant on social behavior. In this hypothetical, I am choosing to be home all day. It is one thing to be home all day, and another thing to have no friends while you do it. The kicker is that right now, I work but it’s from home and so I am home all day. I take care of most domestic labor, I do all the cooking, and I have a lot of homebody hobbies like baking, croche…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:25 PM
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I still find gay sex, gay porn, two men kissing etc. a visceral disgust and a complete turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:37 AM
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Oh so you are a sex tourist, I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:05 AM
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How do you know, have you tried? Shame on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:03 AM
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This is really difficult. But, I think having the love of my life and yet no friends + stuck in the house all day would make me fall into deep depression. It’s basically asking me to have no other human contact outside of my husband and children. So as much as I value marriage, I’d just choose the career and never meeting the love of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:47 AM
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Male attention like “You look so beautiful” and gives me the space to either reciprocate, or gracefully thank him but say no thank you ✅ Male attention like cornering me in the club, up against a wall, groping me, touching me ❌ Attention that doesn’t feel threatening (or if he’s not pushy while I’m clearly busy) is flattering, even if I’m not interested. Attention where I feel like I cannot escape has me in fight or flight mode. One guy at Whole Foods asked for my number and put his hand on my n…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:18 AM
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There are some other starred and Endorsed Contributors here who have gone through something similar, so hopefully they read this and are able to give you good advice! But, I went through a major life change when I was around 20. My high school sweetheart boyfriend, who was telling me he was going to propose soon, cheated on me. It was hard because at this time he was verbally abusive, very controlling, and would tell me he was the only one who would ever love me or find me attractive, etc etc. I…
/r/RedPillWomen11/06/26 11:13 PM
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I say this with all the love and respect in the world. You are 22 years old, you got married at 18, and you are trying to save a marriage that is, quite frankly, not salvageable. He cheated on you, gaslit you about it, and does not respect you. You bringing this up upsets him because he wants you to be docile and accept his infidelity. This is one of those situations that is outside of the scope of RPW — think about your future. Think about whether you want to eventually have kids with this kind…
/r/RedPillWomen11/06/26 10:47 PM
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The gangbang does not even need to be real. Lots of men get disgusted at the idea that his woman even wants to be gang banged, or that she wished she had a hoe phase, or what have you. It’s not a logical thought process, but that is also okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:45 PM
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Because the idea of him being with another man is disgust inducing. Why do men get disgusted when they find out the woman he’s dating wants to get gangbanged by a bunch of Chads and Tyrones? Nothing has actually changed but lots of men would say it’s disgust inducing. Attraction is not rational or logical and idk why you are trying to treat it like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:39 PM
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I was honest with you. I don’t know what to tell you. Why do men feel a visceral disgust knowing a woman he’s dating got gangbanged? Why do they feel a disgust if her n-count is like 50? Logically everything works the same and she has no STDs and it’s not like vaginas get loose. But they’re disgusted anyway. The idea that my husband wants to have sex with another man is a visceral discgust. Especially if he is the one being dominated, ew. Attraction is not rational. No one should have to tell yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:37 PM
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Yes to me they clearly did not want it enough if they wanted to be a single father so bad, but did not make life choices that allowed them to have the financial means to have a child. I am literally from a third world shit hole country. My parents taught me that if you want something bad enough, you have to be willing to put in the work to attain it. If you don’t do the work, you just didn’t want it as much as you said you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:18 PM
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No, I am saying they all made very good lives for themselves to the point where if they wanted to pay for a surrogacy in the next 3 months, they could do it. If I wanted to pay for a surrogacy in the next 3 months, I could do it. I think people need to stop complaining and go get their money up. They should have chosen to do better in school, go to college, chase the internships and land a good job. If you make good money out of college, you’ll easily have 150k between savings and investments by…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:01 PM
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Honestly yes they should. I would rather that people take financial responsibility for the things they want in life, and I would rather that people not have kids when they cannot afford them. I am from a really poor immigrant family—if people in my family managed to do it, they can too. Their boots need strapping.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:47 PM
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Because it causes a visceral disgust and loss of perception of dominance and masculinity. That dominance level is necessary for me to maintain attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:45 PM
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The idea of my man being into other men makes me lose attraction to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:37 PM
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The idea of him being into men will make me lose attraction to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:36 PM
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LMAO what era are you from? Both my parents, who lived in trad catholic hell overseas, were certainly meeting and dating others without their parents vetted knowledge. It’s not like their parents oversaw their social activity or kept track of who they met at work. My mom met my dad while on a date with another man. They certainly were having sex out of wedlock, and her parents didn’t approve of them getting married, so my dad knocked up my mom to force them to give their blessing lol. This was t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:27 PM
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If they cared so deeply about it, they’d get their money up and prioritize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:44 PM
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I am disagreeing with the entire concept of 50/50, and I also disagree that this mindset is a good way to begin a relationship. Why the do men bring up feminism as if this means something to me, a non-feminist? I don’t give a shit what they do or think, this is a debate thread about what the OP thinks, and consequently my comment is about what I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:09 PM
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Nothing and I never said there was. I have split the bill petty of times on dates, among paying for other things, and this was never because of some inane effort to keep things “strictly 50/50.” That thought has never crossed my mind. If you read, I am laying out what I disagree with from the OP. It is very clear English.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:00 PM
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Seriously they can be solo fathers right this very second to ensure their genetics are passed on, but they won’t. It’s almost like they want women be the ones to actually be the parent and raise the kid; he just wants some vague fulfillment of “genetic legacy” lmaooo
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:21 PM
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Strict 50/50 does not exist; it’s an illusion that retards fall for because they are too mentally and emotionally stunted to understand the true nature of relationships. That is, what each of you value and how much you value them is going to be different. Even between yourselves. No one will ever be able to calculate points-per-effort for each action you do in your relationship; no one will be able to strictly balance this out between couples, not even the couple themselves. What’s important is …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:15 PM
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You cannot negotiate attraction. I don’t think people should sacrifice their bodies and sexual freedom for some vague concept of “society” when really it is primarily for the benefit of unselected men. It’s the same reason why “think of society” does not resonate with women to have more children. It is morally wrong to tell people to sacrifice their bodies and personal freedom to pump out some babies. Because, at the end of the day, it is women who take on the risk of the task. Think about it th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:48 PM
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Traits traditionally associated with men including physical markers of male bodies. The reason I would not date a mtf is because they a self-categorically non-masculine and get rid of their masculine traits, even feminizing their facial shapes and bodies by getting cosmetic surgeries. Even their voice due to being on hormones, and clothing choice are enough to turn me off. I would not even date a cross dressing cis man for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:33 PM
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You are asking about multiple things then, because selection and influence are listed in your OP, and family giving their opinions of said man. So I am asking you what year or time period you think was the norm for families to play a major part in the selection of spouses. Edit: liars and manipulators also went to college in the 60s lol, it’s not like you had to be a saint in dating to be admitted into one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:17 PM
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About half is not “rare.” That is not even counting sexual touching like “petting” lol. The point is, people in the 50s, 60s, 70s were also independently choosing their spouses albeit to a smaller degree than now. Women even attended college to find a husband. So I am asking you how far back you are going to say family-arranged courtship is the norm. Give me a year, or time period please.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:11 PM
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Lol you think young people did not have unmarried sex in the 50s? Of course they did. Historians estimate about half of them did. They also did all sorts of non-penetrative sex acts with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:05 PM
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I dated in my social circles and that was how men were pre-vetted. Even then, I never introduced a man to my family until after we were exclusively dating for a couple months. I think it is strange to allow my parents and siblings meet them before we start dating; that just does not make sense. Anyway: Liars ❌ Manipulators ❌ Fetish/Kinksters ✅ How far back are you referring to for "the past"? Independent dating choice was the norm in the 90s (so 30 years ago), and my man's grandmother, who is in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:58 PM
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No because they are not masculine either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:42 PM
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As the higher libido partner, this is realy odd framing. The higher libido partner can simply choose to not be in that relationship anymore, including marriage. You can divorce and call it a day, and find someone who will have more sex with you. You can expect sex and expect fidelity in a solid, healthy marriage. That said, if someone feels the need to cheat because their weekly sex quota was not met, they’re too retarded to be in a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:08 PM
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Yes, cis men only. Cannot be AFAB because I like dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:16 AM
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Most normal people are not going to be okay with a gun on the bed during sex, most men do not want the implication that they could be a rapist. If they respond negatively to women going “I choose the bear because the guy could rape me,” it is by far way more offensive for a woman to go, “Hey btw I’m keeping a gun within my reach while we have sex because you could rape me.” It is completely normal and understandable for men to feel offense at this, who go their whole lives being looked at with s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:56 AM
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I own several firearms. Let me clarify: If I am naked in bed with a man, and in the middle of sex he decides he wants to rape and kill me, virtually every man could accomplish this. If I decide I want to rape and kill a man mid-sex, I am not accomplishing anything, and he is likely to just harm me in his rightful self-defense. How do you think a man is going to respond if I tell him I’m going to put my gun on the nightstand or right beside my hand “just in case”? Both long term partners and some…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:37 AM
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Let me clarify: If I am naked in bed with a man, and in the middle of sex he decides he wants to rape and kill me, virtually every man could accomplish this. If I decide I want to rape and kill a man mid-sex, I am not accomplishing anything, and he is likely to just harm me in his rightful self-defense. There is nothing about dating or sex that will make these equal experiences. Men will never have equal access to women like women do to men; women will never experience perception of safety like …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:35 AM
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I view this a bit like attraction preferences. I don’t want to know if his usual type was blondes before me. There are just some things that are okay to not be shared—this is one of them, and so are his porn preferences. What’s likely is that I would need time to see if the hit in attraction, plus the mistrust, can recover.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:29 AM
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> But for things that can be made equal - pay, freedoms, opportunities, education, dating LMAO snuck it in there did you? How can dating be made equal when: - Men do not fear women like women fear men in dating on the basis of biological differences that make it easier for men to harm us. - More men are more open to casual sex, NSA sex, than women are. - Women carry risks in sex that men do not. - Sexual nature is gendered; women are inherently more selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:19 AM
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I am only attracted to masculine straight males, so this would present a problem. I don’t know if I’d divorce over it, but I’d also wonder what the point of telling me is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:02 AM
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No one was talking about strictly casual sex, and women are also selective with LTRs — but this is also related to female selectivity and why less women are open to casual, NSA, risky sex than men. Also who is “you”? I don’t have casual sex, I think men who want it from me are retards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:37 AM
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1) Not all women have used dating apps. 2) Women are still the more selective sex on dating apps, even more so because there is an abundance of men. 3) Dating apps cannot fundamentally change evolutionary sexual behaviors; there hasn’t even been one generation’s worth of time passed since the invention of dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:03 AM
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It is crazy to me that males will be like “birth control exists” and still cannot think of other reason that women are selective about sex. As if STIs just don’t exist and women contract them easier than men due to the anatomy of vaginas. Or the automatic assumption that bc birth control exists, we’re okay with taking it just to sleep around. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:51 AM
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Okay according to you millions of years of evolution can also be condensed and hypersped up evolutionarily, from 1960 (the release of the birth control pill) to now. Sexual nature can be changed in the span of 3 generations apparently. My anthropology and evolutionary biology professors would be very interested to know all about your work and how you determined this. I totally believe u btw 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:32 AM
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Yes, I’ve noticed women are less open to serendipity now, and are more insistent on having very specific random standards that they treat like a checklist. It’s completely and totally bizarre to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:27 AM
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The recent invention of birth control does not erase millions of years of evolution and evolved mechanisms of attraction/mate selection. What you say is like saying humans’ taste for meat is for social reasons only, since eating meat is not necessary anymore now that we have plant-based protein and vitamins/minerals widely available in pill form. In other words: retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:12 AM
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It does not behoove women to be open to sex with any and all men when it is inherently more risky for us, not to mention a long gestation and child investment period means our sexual strategy is better suited for selectivity. Hypergamy is considered female nature for this reason, just like male polygyny (spreading their genetic material over many mates) is men’s nature. You don’t consider this biological?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:06 AM
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Any red pill aligning person should believe that women are simply more selective due to biological factors, men inherently have it harder, and this is neither gender’s fault. If they don’t believe this, I would not even consider them red pill. I don’t think women should compromise their preference to solve male sexlessness. I do think, to some degree, standards have increased in superficial ways (like with regard to what is normalized on social media), and it’s in everyone’s best interest to exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:35 AM
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For me, yes. There is a psychological thing there and the knowledge that he wanted to be a woman would be attraction killing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:57 PM
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Let's say like early 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:10 PM
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No no no, u have to pick, imagine you would be forced to stay in one over the other. Though yes, realistically, no one would be staying in either of these marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:09 PM
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Q4ALL: Which is the worse scenario Your spouse telling you they are actually same-sex attracted, but are willing to continue your marriage as it has been, including maintenance sex for you, and no one else has to know OR Your spouse telling you they want to be poly and open the marriage (and everyone knows), but they are still attracted to you and the quality of sex you have with them is better due to their sexual exploration with other people
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:53 PM
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I am attracted specifically to masculine males.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:45 PM
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Because it is not appropriate in most contexts and shows me that he has zero tact or social competence, which is a deeply unattractive trait to me. Additionally this does nothing for me sexually in terms of making me horny or lowering my inhibitions to have sex. If anything it would make me dry and be more on my guard. "Hello, person I do not know, please open yourself to do something extremely vulnerable in a way that could very well put you at harm, even though we don't know each other!" Is he…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:41 PM
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The issue by itself will not incentivize me prioritize it above other charitable donations. But it would make me agree that sex is a need, which I think is viewing that issue more seriously. As opposed to being dismissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:21 PM
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To the people reporting this, the mods allow research groups to post on the Daily Thread after asking for approval. Stop reporting this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:14 PM
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What do you mean by "more serious?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:11 PM
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No. I would never date a man who questioned his gender identity, nor do I date gender non-conforming people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:47 PM
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Possibly, as long as the solutions are not "Women should fuck more men." No. No. I don't need this incentive to have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:28 PM
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OP, you should probably include an example in the body of your post so that people do not misinterpret this as a debate centered thread. From what I understand, you are asking people to propose action items that bridge over the "gender war"? For example, men get greater support in early childhood education so that it benefits them staying in school and making them equal contenders in colleges/universities. In exchange, women get greater support in the home and are not stuck with most of the dome…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:04 PM
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Not all posts go through approval—most debate threads are posted automatically without need for mods to manually approve it. It was posted automatically because it was submitted, and then removed manually. Same with the one posted 6 hours later.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:54 PM
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The way I have interpreted this rule is that it is 24 hours between approved posts, so any posts that get removed are not counted. It was this way when the interval was 12 hours as well. If a person attempted to post before the 12 hours was up, let's say at 10 hours, that post was removed. But they could post again after 2 more hours to comply with having a 12-hour period in between their approved posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:30 PM
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Her previous posts were removed for this reason. It has since been 24 hours since her last approved post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:08 PM
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Red pillers are not supposed to demonize hypergamy, that's the thing. If they believe this is female nature—which they are supposed to—It would be like... demonizing lions for hunting prey. You can't (or shouldn't) moralize the natural state of something. Similarly, it would be wrong to moralize men's desire for sexual variety. You CAN moralize the actions that follow. "I cheated on my husband because women are hypergamous" or "I cheated on my wife because men crave sexual variety" doesn't reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:49 PM
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Hypergamy is not about whether some people are just more attractive than others. Like I said, hypergamy within the red pill is that women are sexually attracted to and sexually loyal to the best/top option, one man at a time, and men can filter in and out of this top spot any point in time. Conversely, the claim is that men do not experience sexual attraction this way, they don't size up women and then reserve sexual attraction for the best one. They'd just fuck any woman who is sufficiently att…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:27 PM
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Words change meaning contextually all the time. Everything from slang to words used in niche communities, e.g. "discourse" as a word from the 15th century that means discussion, vs. Foucault's sociological "discourse" from the 70s that refers to how speech practices shape thought, power, and social reality. This is just how language works. The assertion from red pill is that men are not hypergamous in their attraction to women. Hypergamy is understood as being serially monogamous, in where women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:05 PM
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I've had this experience before. At first it feels unfair. But after a while, you stop caring because the opposite sex's reaction makes complete sense. Why would a man be attracted to a woman who's fat and ugly? Why would a woman feel attracted a man who's ugly or incompetent? That is just the way the world works. Attraction is not fair, dating is not fair, whatever. We should all just build a bridge and get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:47 PM
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This: Inspired by people claiming that there’s nothing wrong with men complaining. Is not the same as this: What is attractive about a person who always be complains, always think theyre a victim, and never thinks theyre ever in the wrong? Most people do not want to be around someone, or won't be attracted to someone, who is perpetually negative, but that's not a reason why complaining is "wrong." If the goal of the person complaining was to make friends, or attract others, then constantly compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:07 PM
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Hypergamy in TRP is not about money. There is a sociological concept of hypergamy in where women marry up in education—which does not really exist anymore—and socioeconomic status, but most people mate assortatively within their socioeconomic bracket anyway. In r/TheRedPill, hypergamy is this: Hypergamy: The instinctual urge for women to seek out the best alpha available. This is marked by maximizing rejection (therefore women are the selective gender). A woman will vet her alpha through various…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:45 PM
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How are they all red pill if the first two are not exclusive to red pill, and the last one does not exist in any red pill prescription? Wouldn't that just make her hate the guy? No, the idea is that she is used to men pedestalizing her, so him behaving disinterestedly or casually is going to intrigue her. And it's not supposed to be an overt insult. Just some statement of vague disinterest, e.g. "You're not my usual type, but [blah blah blah]." It's also supposed to be followed by charm to get a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:24 PM
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What is “emotional connection”? Like love? Plenty of women do not need to love a man to sleep with him. They do need to feel safe tho. Not fucking a stranger or getting to know a man a little bit (e.g talking or texting for a while, going on a few dates) has largely to do with mitigating risk and feeling comfortable enough to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:46 PM
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Some of these are not red pill at all. (Some) women also act disinterested so as to not appear needy. Multi-dating depends on your local dating culture and what you personally believe. Lots of people, both men and women, only become exclusive once they’d had the talk with their partner about exclusivity. Negging is red pill but it’s not used in the way you describe, or at least it’s not supposed to. It’s a very specific strategy to use for women who are above the man’s SMV or otherwise very conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:17 PM
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I have never in my life just looked at a man and knew I wanted to have sex with him. No one with responsive sexuality and responsive desire experiences what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:54 PM
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That is not pre-approval. The same can be said of men since I do not approach — the only reason a man got laid was because he selected me, he decided to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:49 PM
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This logic only works if you think women give the green light for sex based on looking at a man. But that isn’t always the case. I would even say that is rarely the case. This is very cleverly hidden black pill shit. Sexual attraction is also behaviorally induced; it’s a necessary component. A lot of men go from invisible or “just there” to fuckable because of how he behaves and how he flirts with her. Yes she will eventually give a green light for sex, but that is just the basic mechanism of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:57 AM
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I personally don’t agree. Some women have such strong reactive sexuality that they cannot even conceive of pre-approving a smash. A man who’s good at flirting and good at making her feel desired can lower her inhibitions to have sex. This is the case when you hear women say stuff like, “I didn’t really mean to have sex with him, it just happened.” Of course, this isn’t the case 100% of the time. Sometimes women will just let a guy hit because he’s there or she’s bored or whatever. But pre-approv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:14 AM
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They want women to partner with them either sexually or romantically or both, as you have correctly identified in your OP. Typically when men ask women out on dates, they find her attractive and are wanting a relationship. Ideally, that woman will also find him attractive and want a relationship with him. If you do not think it is possible for men with bad personalities to improve, or you think it's impossible for them to become attractive, then they are correct to complain. You keep saying "the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:31 PM
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Because it's not a solution to their problems. Like I said in my initial comment, their problem is not about the transaction. It's that they aren't desired or selected. The solution here is not to buy a hooker. It's to become more sexually and/or romantically attractive (increasing appearance, status, extroversion, flirting, life competency, better employment, whatever), which is possible but not as easy as buying a hooker. In fact a lot of people would even say it's difficult. People complainin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:13 PM
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I personally do not think this matters. Because in either scenario, an unselected man is not wanting a transaction, either for long-term or short-term. Otherwise he'd just go to a hooker and call it a day. What he wants is to be desired. And he is frustrated that women don't desire him, in whatever capacity he's looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:46 PM
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Either answer the question in good faith to support whatever argument you are attempting to make, or I will remove this drivel as contentless rhetoric. This is your only warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:39 PM
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We agree about the disgust, but I don't think it's about the morality of it. This is what I said to someone else in another thread about bad traits and disgust: I don't think attraction is tied to moral character. I said it is tied to competency and respect/admiration (read: hypergamy), which is why I said [bad traits] CAN kill sexual attraction, not that it always does 100% of the time. The framing of "bad character" is not about the character itself; it's about whether it lowers his perceived …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:30 PM
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Then maybe they should stop complaining about dating not yielding the sex they want? Why? Then they need to STFU about their complaints. Why? I mean, I get it's annoying, but lots of things are annoying. There's no objective reason why they should stop complaining if they're frustrated. You can be unemployed and looking for work, and complain that the job market is bad despite putting in the effort to get a college degree or whatever else. You can understand that no is obligated to hire you, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:22 PM
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This is a bad faith representation of the frustration. You can understand that no one owes you a relationship if you take them on a date. You can still be frustrated that your efforts at dating result in nothing, which is a completely normal and human feeling to have. No one likes the feeling of putting effort into an endeavor but not making progress. It does not mean you want a transactional relationship. It means you are just frustrated that no one wants you back.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:54 PM
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Okay I believe u. More than I believe that men who are good at flirting/seduction, men who make women feel desired, alcohol, and weed help women’s panties come off in the moment. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:45 PM
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Every post from you is an eyesore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:58 PM
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People cannot help what they are attracted to or unattracted to. That is the amoral part. But if I think something is gross, like a man telling me he's unemployed and a NEET, this is a result of his "bad" character trait making him low status, i.e. killing my attraction to him. Idk if you are just not understanding or are unwilling to accept that attraction is more than just height and looks. If you think it is, this is just black pill drivel and does not belong on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:58 PM
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I understand we are talking about amoral vs. moral. I am saying attraction is mitigated by disgust. Disgust is based on what you find undesirable. It will lower attraction, can completely kill it. Some men will start at a higher point than others and thus have more leeway, but all attraction can be killed if you raise the disgust high enough. The disgust can be anything from bad character to abuse to acting feminine to being embarrassing to being a prude, to having a criminal record, etc. Some o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:32 PM
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Attraction is not static. There are two overall scales that influence attractiveness: 1) Qualities that create attraction, and 2) Qualities that induce disgust. If I'm talking to a guy and I think he's attractive, and then he tells me he's unemployed and has never been able to hold a job long-term, I'm going to get the ick. Why? Does that mean I never found him attractive? Of course not. It means in that moment, the weight of what I found disgust-inducing overpowered what I found attractive. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:08 PM
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I don't think attraction is tied to moral character. I said it is tied to competency and respect/admiration (read: hypergamy), which is why I said it CAN kill sexual attraction, not that it always does 100% of the time. The framing of "bad character" is not about the character itself; it's about whether it lowers his perceived competency beyond her threshold for what is disgust-inducing, or it lowers his status compared to other men who are within that woman's SMP. And that's why bringing up sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:37 PM
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What's interesting is that this moralization only seems to happen with unselected men. This is demonstrably not the case when sentiments like "These Chad-fucking whores never give average men a chance," and "Women are evil because they are hypergamous" are repeated ad infinitum. And it is typically the unselected men who say things like this. Attraction is amoral, and romantic unsuccess can be a product of both lack of attraction and moral issues. Good character does not create sexual attraction…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:25 PM
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The personality traits in question: good at flirting, makes you laugh, confidence. Which is what I said in my initial comment. I wasn't even talking about physical to begin with lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:02 PM
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This is what you said: It’s not the ONLY thing required to be sexually attracted to someone obviously. If you’re nice but lack other qualities, it can make you not sexually attracted to a person. And then you say this: If you aren’t immediately attracted to someone, their goodness can absolutely make them sexually attractive. This is the weirdest circular thinking. If you find someone nice and they lack attractive traits, you’re not sexually attracted to this person. But if you aren’t immediatel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:31 PM
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The OP piggy backed this post from the other one, where people are debating whether women find good men sexually attractive. I think a lot of women see the word “attractive” and think about what qualities we would want in a boyfriend or husband. Which absolutely includes good moral character, kindness, integrity, good future orientation, loyalty, etc. Those things are great and most women look for that in a partner, but they’re not sexually attractive traits. Like, qualities that would make you …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:20 PM
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I am going to stop you right now because this is what you have in the body of YOUR OWN post: I’m specifically arguing that women find good men sexually appealing because the bar is so low for what it means to be bad as a man And now you are telling me this: No, I don’t believe that women find good men sexually attractive because the bar for being bad is low. So which is it? According to you, the threshold for being a bad man is low and muddied and entirely subjective. Let’s say I believe that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:00 AM
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Sexually attractive does not mean “a good option for a relationship” or even “I would give them a chance.” Sexual attractiveness is horniness. What makes women horny for men. What makes women want to be uninhibited and have sex with a man. I’m sure seeing a man buy Girl Scout cookies and leaving an extra donation makes you wet and horny. I believe u.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:20 AM
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You understand you are making your argument in the body of your post that you think women find good men sexually attractive because the bar for being bad is low. It’s not just your title. You personally disagreeing on what constitutes “bad” does not mean these men are “good,” nor does it mean their goodness is what got that woman hot and horny. Chances are, him being a good man is not what got her hot and horny. And idk if you are being deliberately obtuse about this or what.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:15 AM
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Correct, a lot of men value traits like career and education and financial literacy in a woman. They’re good traits to have, particularly in a life partner. They just don’t turn men on, they don’t make (most) men feel sexual and horny. Of course I would never say the number is zero, but certainly I have never heard a woman say she was so turned on and hot and horny because a man did something nice. Not in my social circles and not even online. This is even one of the commonalities between red pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:09 AM
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Okay, I believe u. You can be part of the exception whose pussy gets wet when men help an old lady cross the street or when they make a check out to charity. I believe that u believe this is what turns u on. Here’s a cookie. … Anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:22 AM
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“We” as in women in general. I don’t have to explain that exceptions don’t make the rule. “I think women find good character sexually attractive because no one can actually define what good or bad traits are, therefore women see them as good” is not a particularly convincing argument. In fact, I would even say that it solidifies my opinion that morality has nothing to do with sexual attractiveness. What you are actually arguing here is that men can be both good men AND sexually attractive on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:14 AM
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Your argument is that women find good character sexually appealing. We don’t. We find sexually attractive traits sexually appealing, and good or bad character will influence our decision to have a relationship with him. You can get the ick at bad moral character and reject the man, but it’s happened after the initial attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:35 AM
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Moral character has nothing to do with sexual attraction, good or bad. Women find men sexually attractive when they are competent at flirting and seduction, and are sociable and exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:23 AM
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Anyway what did everyone have for dinner
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:45 AM
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