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I would be cautious on calling someone your perfect man at this stage. It's nice if you can see yourself marrying him with the qualities he's displayed so far, but that does not mean the vetting is over. There are some helpful Back to Basics post that address what inspires commitment in men. Here are some of my favorites: Cultivating a Feminine Frame of Mind: This discusses a whole host of psychologically feminine traits that men tend to enjoy, and how this applies to our behavior that will stre…
/r/RedPillWomen19/08/26 03:02 PM
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No I’m pretty sure she has inherited it, she said so in her comment. They are married, so regardless of who divorces, her husband will be getting half the marital property. I am pretty sure the only way to keep inheritance separate from marital property is if you do not commingle them. And that is really hard if you are generating family income from that inheritance, and most people do. Like they inherit money and use it for family funds, or they buy a house together using the money. Or maybe th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 12:26 PM
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Not this commenter, but typically when people get married, they are not really thinking about divorce. They are thinking about any manner of death including accidents. When you are unmarried, inheritance is subject to tax, but if you’re married there’s no tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 12:10 PM
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What kind of question is this and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 04:07 AM
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What I mean is that these sorts of posts are designed to explicitly not incur that much pushback for debate. Like who will disagree this at its core? Nobody. It’s an incredibly safe stance to take, and there is nothing of substance to debate really. You have a history of making posts like this, which is fine, but I am saying I find these types of posts bland.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 11:30 PM
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These sorts of posts are always like lukewarm as fuck, it is basically like “What if everyone got along? What if we worked together?” Like no way lol, no one has ever thought of this before. Similar to telling depressed people, “In order to not be depressed, you should try to be happy.” 🫪
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 11:23 PM
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No. It is useless and a waste of my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 10:05 PM
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We will no longer be friends
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 07:59 PM
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I take on the risk of making the baby while a man does not have to take on this risk. A man asking me to marry him is nothing compared to risking my body, my life, for family formation. Continued personal attacks will get your thread locked and yourself banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 07:53 PM
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I think if a man wants me to have his baby, I can expect that he will propose. Which is why I have a fiancé. A man showing competence and leadership is something that is attractive to me, which is the reason I seek it out. For me personally, a man showing initiative is a sexually attractive trait. I would never feel sexual for a man who is not that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 06:40 PM
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Hood rich is still hood; these behaviors are still informed by low social class and poor taste. I am not even saying it is absolute, I am saying the concept of class is already understood in sociology and sociocultural anthropology (which I have my undergrad degree in) as what I have described. Additionally you have not laid out how any of this relates to supposed “anti-natalist nightmare.” People forming both arranged and love-match marriages within their class is the norm and has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 06:22 PM
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Some low rent crack head who wins the lottery does not rise in social class lol. What is understandable is that certain classes carry different beliefs and values and culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 06:07 PM
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I find it hilarious that you are circle jerking the comments that agree with you and largely do not respond to the comments that disagree or question why you think men do not like romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 06:04 PM
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I do not even think I subscribe to the concept that class = money. I subscribe to social class as a generational status in where knowledge, values, taste, and cultural milieu usually taught from birth informs how you behave and how you move through and interact with the world. It is not irrational to reject classes that are (too) different from your own if you are worried about family stability and raising your children with a specific background and value set.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 06:00 PM
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lol,doing nice things for your partner or spouse is “simping” 🫩
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 03:58 PM
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Because it shows someone likes you beyond being a sex object. I write love notes and put them in my fiancé’s lunch bag. Being aromantic is not the default, even for men, and it is crazy that you think it is. Also crazy: this post saying men hate romance, while other men claim that men are the true romantics. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 03:55 PM
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Thanks babes!!! And I just stayed home, but this weekend we’re meeting up with friends!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 11:23 PM
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Thank you! 💖
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 11:22 PM
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Thanks love 💖
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 09:35 PM
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Thank you!!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 09:04 PM
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Ty Ange!! 💖
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 09:04 PM
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It is my birthday so I will not be moderating incel/black pill in here today. Boons for the ‘cels! I hope everyone has a beautiful day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 08:06 PM
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This does not socially affect women in our social lives. What you are asking for is for women to make DATING easier for men, but for some reason you’re hiding this behind women’s general social performance. And not only are you asking women to make it easier, you are asking FATHERS AND MOTHERS to teach their daughters to make dating easier for men hahaha. There is no father in the world that wants his daughter more dependent on men and to have less boundaries with men. LOLLL.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 07:32 PM
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Why do you think these two are in any way, shape, or form related at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 06:18 PM
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I don’t know about other women but I fear men as a default. More accurately, I am suspicious of being alone with men I don’t know, who are not my fiancé or family. I do not even use rideshare services alone because I don’t want to get in some stranger-man’s car. What you are describing though, people backing away after you get within 15-20 feet, is not something I do. In a public place with others around, I keep away from men if they are coming very close to me, but that’s about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 01:02 PM
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What? What does this mean? Friends of friends approach each other for romantic purposes all of the time. Are you socially deficient? Srsly, what is this belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 04:25 AM
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Does someone need to check your hard drives?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 04:24 AM
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I never had a problem with men asking me out on dates and I only ever dated in my social circle. I knew these men as acquaintances, we flirted, they asked me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 04:06 AM
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It is low reward for me because I do not feel attracted to men who don’t approach. So I guess I could approach and we would be stuck in a sexless relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 02:44 AM
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My mom told me that fat & ugly girls don’t get picked (lol), and how to vet for courtship, and that you should never expect a man to change; how you started dating him is largely how you will marry him. There was other stuff too, but I feel like this was the major stuff. And this mainly turned out pretty great for me, like I have never had the experience of men using me, pumping and dumping, or being a low effort boyfriend or low effort date. I just do not take advice from randos, like this is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:37 AM
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Some women and men do not give a shit about egalitarianism outside of equal legal personhood. Dating preferences and social behavior are irrelevant to that discussion. Men and women are not the same, why are flaired red pill if you want egalitarianism?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:12 AM
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Why do the traits you want have to be given in return? If you want a woman with 34DDD titties, you should also have 34DDD titties?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 01:34 AM
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In the scenario given by the OP, yes I would have preferred this man fuck his ex (once) rather than send $600 per month for almost a year, and lie to me about it by saying he’s sending money to his sister. Meanwhile I am the one covering the majority of rent and bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:05 PM
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The scenario in this post was that her bf (they lived together) lied about needing to give money to his sister. It was $600 every month for a long while, and during this time, OP was the one covering the rent and bills and such. Well she found out it was going to his ex, not his sister. I would still count this as financial infidelity because of the lying and regular giving.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:03 PM
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Here’s the weekly incel revenge post — now everyone point and laugh 🤠
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:36 PM
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That’s not said because women think men are their only threat. It’s said because men like to tout themselves (as a demographic) as the grand providers and protectors of women, but it is also men (as a demographic) that pose a lot of risk to women to begin with. Kinda like a person giving themselves a gold star for solving a problem they caused in the first place, yeah? Women actually gathered and trapped (small game, fish, etc.) most of the caloric intake for hunter-gatherers so I don’t think wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 10:50 PM
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It falls under "woe-is-me" posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:02 PM
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No this is real. A man who is allegedly committed to you and living with you while hiding the fact that he sends $600/month to his ex is a man that hates you. He does not care about you. You're like lower than dirt to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 08:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 07:49 PM
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Nobody believes this, like literally nobody. Not even most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:58 PM
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I don't even know how I would go through life without finding an ideal man to have children with. My community and social class is filled with husband-maxxed, family man-maxxed men. Like this hypothetical is entirely unthinkable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:03 PM
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So women don't bother to learn how to coorporate with men in ways that are mutually beneficial. They are told they can do everything but then are left directionless as to where to go in their lives. This assumes that women are left directionless without a husband or being a mother, and this is not true. I do think the majority of women would like life partnership, but if you have big career aspirations, it is difficult to prioritize being a wife and mom in the traditional sense while also puttin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:33 PM
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Bad reading of what I posted. I am not saying everyone is a special snowflake. The OP is asking 2 separate questions: What do YOU want in a man, vs. what is your advice to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:57 PM
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It is not the least effort as getting young women is harder than getting an older women. This also does not change what the OP says and calls laziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:32 AM
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What does this have to do with what I said? Your title is about an inherently exploitative relationship Younger women have higher standards for alpha traits / SMV, which are harder for older men to meet. There is a reason why most older men do not date young women, and it’s because it’s because men her own age are more desirable and more easily meet SMV / sexual desirability standards. Plus one of the biggest reasons young women date older men is the for the money and stability. Without those th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:30 AM
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You understand in your title you are talking about men choosing women who will tolerate his bullshit? Knowing someone will tolerate your bullshit is inherently exploitative. Largely society does not reward laziness. Unless you are talking about some low rent poors being on welfare. But work ethic being rewarded is especially true in America where we have one of the worst work-life balances and strong work ethic is seen as a desirable trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:18 AM
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I am Asian and an immigrant, so this influences me seeing laziness as a moral failure. Like I fundamentally do not understand the desire to be lazy like you claim is normal. Aside from this, explicitly seeking out inexperienced young partners because you can treat them poorly / they will tolerate your BS is going to be looked at weird and morally questionable by most of society. “I would like the freedom possibly to abuse and exploit my partner, what’s wrong with that?” Err… okay. Edit: OP delet…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:05 AM
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If you are just going to be vague and not contribute, this will be removed for contentless rhetoric. No one knows what you mean and you refuse to elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:53 AM
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What I want in a man is not the same as giving advice to men. My taste in men is not going to help him. What if he doesn’t prefer women like me? No point in becoming attractive to a demographic of women that he himself is not attracted to. Observe the woman you want. Pay attention to what she likes and wants. Look at these traits and assess whether you’re comfortable fulfilling them or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:51 AM
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Literally correct, never settle king 👑
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 11:58 PM
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Lowk sometimes I really do think if a partner wanted to, they would. I know so many relationships where both spouses or partners don't demand anything, and they just do things to see each other happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 10:40 PM
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RMV are all of the other qualities that makes a commit, and you can certainly discuss these things questionaire-style, but I find a lot of people (both men and women) find this off-putting because it can easily feel like a job interview. Something like psychological femininity can be displayed early on; showing warmth, receptivity, graciousness, softness, kindness. Other things like family background, education, work, domesticity — you will want wait until these come up organically in conversati…
/r/RedPillWomen13/08/26 09:02 PM
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You don’t really explicitly show this off to a man per se. When you are confident and self-assured, qualities outside of your attractiveness will shine through when other topics come up during conversation — education, work, hobbies, what you do for fun, whether you are close to your family, what you value, whether you are organized in your life, etc.
/r/RedPillWomen13/08/26 08:40 PM
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Do you mean deny? Define? Like what are the words in your title lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:21 PM
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No it's not. It's not on women to lower their standards or date men they do not want to date. I do, however, think it's in everyone's best interest to ask themselves if a world where people are afraid to date, and dating apps and social media encourage unrealistic standards and FOMO, is a world that is functioning correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:13 PM
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Most people date within their social or socioeconomic class, so having to become financially successful first is not really in the equation. I do not even know what "financially successful" means in this context because most often, people will get together when they have rent and bills due, and they are figuring out life. Most of the people I know in my age cohort got together when they were working their first jobs out of college, and no one was successful at all. My friends who did not go to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:03 PM
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Men typically mean romantically lonely, which is probably more true for them than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:46 PM
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Define "not having money." What does this look like for you? So we can assess whatever you are picturing accurately and answer the question accurately. Money is not needed for love. Money is needed to build a life and family together, and stability is needed to maintain love. It will 1000% make your lives easier if you are both contributing financially. Generally I find these questions weird. Like if I were to honestly ask myself, "If I had nothing to offer, would my fiancé still want to be with…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:17 PM
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I do not dislike “men.” I accept that they are horny and desire sex from women much more than women desire sex from men. I know that women are privileged in that abundance is often better than starving. But it is not snark when I say that I dislike that men will force their lust on you inappropriately. It’s not snark if I say that it is tiresome when men see you as an obstacle to what they want (sex) rather than as person with feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 10:47 PM
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It’s not snark if you actually believe that thousands of men lusting after you without any regard to you as a person is not a benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 10:00 PM
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Some men prefer dating in their social class, and sometimes this will include a college education, but this is rarely a deal breaker. Mostly they are looking for similar background and values, a lot of which is largely informed by social class and education, but can be bypassed if you have these values through other means. Personal anecdote—my fiancé does not care about career or income, but he does care about education. Some men will not care about education but will care about some form of fin…
/r/RedPillWomen12/08/26 08:52 PM
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Yes it does. Ambition, drive, assertiveness, achievement, independence—all of these are historically masculine qualities, and the OP is asking why women would rather work and be masculine like this. It is so obvious as to why, because traits like this are rewarded professionally and socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:09 PM
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The world rewards masculine traits and behaviors, and penalizes feminine traits and behaviors; you yourself think men are better, and you are out here asking why women would rather perform like men in society…? This post cannot be real 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:04 PM
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Sure, like homophobic or upholding the patriarchy and such. Which technically it is upholding norms for men and women. But there is nothing wrong with this imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:37 PM
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I mean yeah they are criticizing this preference, but that is not the same as shaming women into dating bi men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:33 PM
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Nobody is trying to shame women into relationships with bi men. Who gives a shit, just don't date those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:27 PM
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Most women on Only Fans or doing other amateur porn are not making money like that. They are averaging $200 per month, which is the cost of maybe 1-2 nights out, but it's certainly not mansion-at-20-years-old money. This is not even just about Only Fans. Normal YouTube and Instagram content creators play the game of luck and some of them make it big. Almost no one will have that level of wealth. Dwelling on this is going to give you FOMO for the rest of your life.
/r/RedPillWomen12/08/26 03:15 PM
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In Texas, everyone is sir or ma'am lol. Like grown people will call the college aged grocery cashier sir or ma'am. It's kind of nice!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 02:57 PM
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Dating in your social class or socioeconomic class is not what the OP is talking about. And that IS the most normal thing in dating. People mating assortatively is the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 02:35 PM
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In that instance he did fail to demonstrate masculine competence and traditionalism. Like, definitionally. If you cannot understand this, this is completely on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 01:51 PM
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I do not actually care whether he has enough interest in me to pursue. It’s either he does pursue or not. So that’s why your argument does not hold any weight to me. It is literally a checkbox of yes or no. If he does not act gentlemanly, I do not actually care what the reason is. Women who are okay with a man with that many sexual partners is by definition not traditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 01:43 PM
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Of course it is about lack of understanding traditional courtship when you do not understand that RPW vet for men who show competence and take charge. Neither would any self respecting traditional woman date a man who has had sex with over 100 women. If a man does not show this, I will just lose interest. I do not really care the reason for why he did not show it, but it shows me he is not what I am looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 01:29 PM
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It does mean that. “Marriage-like” is meaningless. You are simply untraditional and so you do not understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 12:50 PM
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I do not believe in equality. I am not a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 12:21 PM
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Nope, you are putting intentions in my mouth where there are none. It’s making things personal. This is very clearly personal for YOU, which is not my problem. I do not expect you to know or appreciate traditional courtship. You claim to have had sex with over 100 women so I think it is safe to say that traditionalism is not for you, and you can just admit that. Some of us like traditionalism and gendered norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 12:21 PM
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I am not a feminist so why would I fight against it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 12:20 PM
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There is no western nation where gold digging and sugar babying isn’t looked down upon, even by most women. Most of them pair up as a love match. The majority of men are not “providers” and they never will be, and women do not expect to be kept women. There are many relationships where if women stopped having sex with a man, they would come to an end. Sex is one of the main motivations for men to men to date women. So I guess men are exploiting women, LMFAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 12:19 PM
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It did not veer in that direction. So you are telling me I wrote out a response for your OP about sex, and you actually did not mean to reply about the topic at hand, which is sex? In which case I can then remove that comment for contentless rhetoric since it was off-topic, is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 12:14 AM
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The topic was about sexual behavior. So I respond to your OP, about sex, and the conversation was about sex, and now you are saying you respond completely out of context away from your OP topic? Lol. You are just playing damage control, it’s hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:59 PM
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I didn’t say my preference makes men obligated to perform that way. It comes off passive therefore I don’t like it. He does not have to change this and I did not imply he had to. I simply just lose interest and stop seeing him. You are making your own assumptions about me and making it weirdly personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:57 PM
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Because it does not give him room to express non-passivity, which is why it comes off as passive. They were in my social circles and yknow the rumor mill goes around — “So and so guy is interested in you!” which is the reason I would try. It just makes me feel nothing tho, so in these cases yes they were too passive. I feel more attraction to men when we both fall into gendered norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:05 PM
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I have had multiple men come to my DMs just to tell they they hope I get raped, or that they are going to doxx me, or that I need to suck their dicks lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:35 PM
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“Letting women pay is good way to vet women who don’t want traditional relationship norms” discourse is really funny to me. Like yeh I paid for my $8 worth of food truck tacos, and I still wanted masculine competence, a proposal with an engagement ring, a wedding, and gendered norms lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:20 PM
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Passivity is a turnoff, and these men turn into 'bros' and 'the guys' to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 09:49 PM
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So then why did you say that women should be flexible in regard to sex, if you don't want them to adjust to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 09:44 PM
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You wrote your original comment about flexibility in regard to the topic of sex, so I have every reason to believe that you want women to be flexible with sex. But this just begs the question: why not date or marry a woman who shares your preference already for sex frequency and kinks? Instead of expecting other women to adjust to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 09:01 PM
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Sure you were, on your own thread where you are questioning why some women do not want to have unlimited sex and be gang banged, lol. I totally believe u.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:52 PM
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You understand your suggestion was "She can try to appreciate something I think is great"? If she enthusiastically wanted sex, she would not have to "try" and appreciate it. A situation in which someone tries to appreciate something is one where they are hesitant or outright unwilling to do that activity. It is something you implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:48 PM
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People do not date each other for "society," they date each other because it is good for them and it makes them happy. Why would anyone date for "society" lol that is so completely cucked. So what I gather here is that you think women should have sex with a man just because he wants it? I mean sex is a important in a relationship, but this sort of attitude will turn a lot of women off. Watching a movie together is not the same as someone penetrating you, which will be painful and traumatic if so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:33 PM
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if everyone were to pursue exactly what they wanted and only that, that would leave out a lot of people. What is wrong with this? If I only date in my social circle because this is what I want, I am leaving out 99% of men, which I am okay with. If they are not what I want, why would I even care about leaving them out? Partners have to be a little flexible for each other, and I think that's entirely doable. Flexible how?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:21 PM
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I have done this a few times when I was younger, in college and just out of college. I did feel obligated to pay since I asked him to hang out one-on-one. I cannot remember if the guy felt like he was on the hook for the bill, but they did not really say anything about it. I do remember that I realized I cannot feel romantic or sexual for these men. And so I stopped doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:35 PM
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that is not even the majority of women to even apply this across "women" so you are simply wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:27 PM
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60% of women in the United States, roughly, are conservative or moderate, and so fall outside of the group you are talking about. Most women fundamentally do not believe in non-gendered traits, and they subscribe to some form of a gender binary. So a specific set of liberal/leftist women is a "broad trend" to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:16 PM
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So then why even make a post about "women"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:01 PM
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You mean some women. Some of us are completely open about preferring masculine men and categorize these traits (competence, assertiveness, courage, etc.) as factors in masculinity, and a lot of men do not like this either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:29 PM
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Ok here is the problem. High sociosexual women like in your examples exist. Like, they have no problem having uncommitted sex with a stranger, sometimes even multiple strangers. Often in kink spaces or communities, the sex is not even with a stranger either. These are people who are made safe by their dom or domme, and they can explore sex within that safe area, with this safe person. So what happens is other men hear about those women existing, and they are the ones who try to convince women wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 05:54 PM
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Yah I cannot relate to those people either. I would nuke entire nations for my husband, he is the most important thing in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:28 PM
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Most people generally don’t want a complete deconstruction of gender norms or roles. They just don’t want to be forced into them, but have the option for people who do want them. It’s based on liberalism. Everyone — and I mean everyone — picks and chooses which traditions to keep and which ones to leave behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:25 PM
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I consider it feminine precisely for the reason I think aggression and violence is a masculine trait
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:57 AM
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It is just because they want to, for one reason or another. Sometimes it’s because they know it increases chance of second date. Sometimes it’s just because they are comfortable doing this. Some men are also looking for women who participate in the traditional song and dance of courtship. They find this kind of dating enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:54 AM
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Depends on the topic or what is being argued. Sometimes it is on male-oriented behaviors that I think are rather benign or understandable, like seeking out sex early in a relationship, or expecting sex in a marriage. Sometimes it is just agreement with the male pov for some dating practices that I think are unnecessarily high and come off like sugar baby brain to me. Other times I just read posts from women on here and they strongly remind me of that particular tweet: ‘I do not support all women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:45 AM
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I honestly could not tell you. I don’t ask them either, as I am not really looking for validation from them. I argue with other women for the love of the game, kek 🤠
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:14 AM
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Even when I defend men here, there is no shortage of men to call me a whore or prostitute or whatever other insult they can think of. Like men (or the ‘cels, rather) will dead ass see you argue on behalf of them, and then accuse you of being a disingenuous foid lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:06 AM
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I mean I’d be okay with a man thinking I am average, like, at the end of the day that’s what I am. But the other stuff about exes and past hookups and how he would not treat me in a way that makes me feel loved, no Would rather shoot myself than be with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 06:18 PM
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Yes. The actual consideration of masculine vs. feminine does not care about the origin of the feeling. Besides this, as you have correctly identified in your OP, a man can take initiative and have courage without being intrusive or making things uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:06 PM
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No. At this point I am supporting everything in marriage and parenthood. There is literally no reason to partner with someone if he is not going to be a life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:54 PM
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Sociosexuality is the measure of how willing and open a person is to have sex outside of commitment. There has always been a smaller percentage of women who are sexually open with men and think nothing of having sex with randoms. Like the guy was there and he gave her a ride home so she fucked him, even if she was not particularly attracted to him. Most women will need a lot more than guaranteed safety to be open to stranger sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:49 PM
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Hesitation, anxiety, neuroticism, and fear are not considered masculine traits and probably will never be masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:33 PM
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Most of them are choosing to get married. Same with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:06 AM
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According to the stats we are a lot more partnered than men. A woman who wants to be uncommitted and sleeps around is not having a problem remaining single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:28 AM
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The only people who value virgins are like fundamentalist Christian and Muslim weirdos. And non-westerners. The average western man does not give a shit about virginity, and he will invest in and marry a non-virgin just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:26 AM
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“Expects” is not the right word to use. Women can choose to do that. I certainly did not. Highly sociosexual women are can do what they want, low sociosexual women can do what we want. That is a win all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 02:05 AM
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No. I don’t use toys either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:12 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:46 PM
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No. Nobody is obligated to change their attraction preferences. Cannot be negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:51 PM
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I mean if they do not find dark skin attractive then it’s not really anyone else’s business is it? I am Asian and some men do not find Asian features attractive, and that’s perfectly okay. Why should it bother me, and why does their attraction preference need to be justified? As with anything else, people should have tact in just openly stating what their preferences are. Like feminine men give me the “ick,” but I also don’t go around proselytizing to other women about how disgusting feminine me…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:41 PM
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Icks do not have to be self-assessed. They are visceral disgusts that do not have to be explained. No one is at fault for the ick. You just part ways and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:35 PM
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Revulsion does not have to have a base at all. Attraction is what it is, and any preferences people have are valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:36 PM
2

I don’t understand this title. I feel like this: “If you are not manly enough, you are more like a woman” is not a feminist take at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:34 PM
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You are very welcome for this information
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 01:51 PM
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The “ick” is just another word for a turn-off. Turn-offs, being what they are, do not have to be tempered with reason. Even men have turn-offs with very little logical reason behind them. No one has ever considered the ick as a divine message. Men do not have to change these things, especially because, more often than not, a woman will lose interest anyway. Example: I get the ick at men being picky eaters or not eating vegetables. I don’t expect him to change this. I just tell him we’re not comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 01:09 PM
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It’s been a while since we had a fetish question. I don’t use sex toys at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 12:58 PM
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I mean yeh you are free to look for that. That is not traditional femininity though, as traditional femininity is actually waiting for the man to make the first move. It is coyness, receptivity, etc. But yeah totally, if that’s what you find attractive, then by all means, go for it champ.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 12:51 PM
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When you are married there is no “50/50”. It’s family money and you budget appropriately.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 12:49 PM
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It is not the payment because I said I split dates. Are you sure you read what I said? It is his initial move to take charge. That does not mean it has to result in paying. But I have often split dates after he has made this move. It is hot (to me). Conversely, do you think traditional men should not be allowed to look for traditional women either?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:00 PM
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I mean you can think it is hot! That’s why in my first sentence, I said it depends on what the man wants. And conversely, what the woman wants. Meaning the OP’s advice is not a blanket statement. Not every man expects a woman to be submissive, but there are still men who want this and look for it. And they are well within their preferences to do that. I defer and submit to a man who shows he is worthy of this. And that is how my fiancé and I like our relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:58 PM
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Idk it is pretty great to me; I have had very few bad experiences in a romantic sense. I feel very loved and cherished when my man shows me chivalry, and one of my greatest joys is being able to take care of him. It is not miserable if you fall within the norm and can attract the norm. In fact it is very nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:56 PM
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“A man’s first move being like ‘I got this’ is hot.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:50 PM
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This also depends on what the man wants. Some men like this and look for women who show graciousness in return. I vet for men who take charge and show traditional masculinity. I cannot feel sexual for men any other way. If his initial move is to not fuss about the bill, that is attractive to me. I’ll offer to split half after this moment, and have often done so if he accepts. Sometimes he insists on paying and that’s fine too. But a man’s first move being like “I got this” is hot. Men who are he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:36 PM
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It’s not that they simply exist in men, it’s that I think there are patterns of gender differences in personality traits. It is kind of like how in countries with very high gender equality, women as a social group still gravitate to the humanities, liberal arts, nursing and teaching when choosing university programs, and men as a social group still gravitate toward engineering and the hard sciences. Of course there are exceptions and outliers, but that’s the reason why certain traits are conside…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:11 PM
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Because these are traits more commonly displayed in men (e.g assertiveness, ambition, leadership, etc.), therefore I think it is masculine to be this way. Realistically everyone has some masculine and feminine traits. It just so happens that this is one I look for in dating because it is a requirement for me to feel sexual for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 06:59 PM
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I think it is, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 06:52 PM
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Taking charge and being assertive is commonly associated with masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 06:51 PM
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Specifically for paying for dates, this depends on the woman in question. I always offer to split dates, but it catches my eye when men make the offer to pay, or does not even ask me how the bill should be taken care of. It’s masculine and shows him taking charge. Like with my fiancé, he just moved to pay for it, and I offered to split. We split it, but that initial move was very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 06:46 PM
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Yeh if she likes the guy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 06:27 PM
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Don’t care about tone policing by randos on the internet; this whole subreddit could fall into a volcano tomorrow and I would not care. Planning accordingly means the spouse who wants to stay home (and be compensated for it) should just continue to work. Not demand that their partner pays them their annual income + covers 100% of the expenses and, if they are a good parent, will come home and still do chores and childcare. Like that is just a ludicrous setup and anyone who thinks this is fair is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 06:10 PM
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I think it is retarded to treat a partnership like a business deal, so we will just agree to disagree on this. This is why I think the vast majority of people are not fit to be husbands and wives. This kind of mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 06:02 PM
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Because she chose that knowing the risks. I am going to stay home for 3-4 years in the first few years of my children’s life. That’s the plan anyway. I make $140k/yr; why the fuck would I nickel and dime my husband to pay me this annually as if I am his employee, when I myself see a benefit in having one parent stay home for at least this period of time? If a woman thinks the relationship is going to end and needs to be compensated for this, rather than making this decision to stay home based on…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:57 PM
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Why should women who want to stay home make as much as they would have in the workforce? They are making a willing choice to do it, they know the risks. If they do not want to take this risk, then just don’t be a stay home mother. Now if some man really wants to entice his wife to be a stay home mother (when presumably she wants to work), he should either make it competitive by offering her the same income compensation. Or even better yet, he should never have married her to begin with if he doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:49 PM
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Not offended, just disgusted when they are open about wanting to use my body before even knowing anything about me. But a man I know, who I am flirting with, of course it is okay if he wants sex. I don’t want to smash just for the novelty. I’d rather slit my own wrists over letting a man use me like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:33 AM
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I find these discussions silly because most feminists are of the “let people make their own decisions about their lives and let me have reproductive rights” variety. In the real world no one is trying to abolish all gender norms as a concept, but rather believe men and women should have the legal equality and freedom to choose non-conforming paths. Of course this does not mean every non-conforming person will have an easy path forward, but such is life. Men do not have to date women who don’t co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 04:14 PM
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Another thing to consider is that the setup you have is fine if you don’t want children. In my household, we are both high earning and so if anything were to happen, either of our incomes can support the financial responsibilities. Since we want multiple kids, if something were to happen to me in childbirth, we will not have to worry financially. I think it is a bad idea to have children when the person gestating them — usually the bio mom — is also the primary income earner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 01:20 PM
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A man feeling anxious about his desire is a neurotic. Red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:22 PM
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Men do not “need” to do anything. I think it is fine that society becomes more open to relaxed gendered expectations. But the gender norms will not really be gone; the Gender Equality Paradox is likely to come up—that gendered differences and preferences are larger in more gender-equal and affluent countries. So telling men to adopt some traditionally feminine roles and traits probably will not shake out the way you think it will. I will keep it 100 with you. I have never looked for a man who ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 03:21 AM
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His kids have come forward and said he was abusive. That’s the reason why Angelina filed for divorce. They were on a flight, Brad was getting aggressive with at least one of the kids. When Angelina stepped between them, he pushed her around and injured her. Allegedly smacked his kids around too. There is an Instagram post from Pax calling him a world class asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:25 PM
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His kids have come forward and said he was abusive. That’s the reason why Angelina filed for divorce. They were on a flight, Brad was getting aggressive with at least one of the kids. When Angelina stepped between them, he pushed her around and injured her. Allegedly smacked his kids around too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:22 PM
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I actually do think it is normal for men to tend to be more externally motivated through life via want for a partner. Like I think it is incredibly common to see men shape up because he is taking a relationship seriously, he wants to be better for a future wife, or because he has a family or wants a family. Men who are “normal” to me are, like, family oriented men. The “everything I do is for my family” type of man. So in this regard I don’t have a problem with men seeing a wife-figure as an imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:17 PM
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This is not really a recent trend — thongs above sweat pants or low rise jeans were prominent in the 2000s. As was cheeky very short booty shorts commonly found at Hollister, Abercrombie & Fitch, etc. Sheer dresses and mini skirts (even micro-minis) are being recycled from like 20-25 years ago. I do not even think these are common styles outside of Tik Tok and Instragram. Like, most people are of the opinion that the thong above the pants looks low class. Most women do not dress like this and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:56 PM
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This is the theorycrafting from TRP itself, and there is no evidence for most of the things TRP theory proposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:32 PM
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Yeh, I mean, I disagree with almost everything here. I think males want to fuck a bunch of hot young women if they could, like if every wife tomorrow gave her husband free reign to fuck around, most of them would not think twice about doing it. Males want to coom and are very upset they cannot get around as easily as women can. That's just their biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:01 PM
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TRP agrees with this. That male sexual nature is polygyny, and would just trade out attractive young women as they please.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 05:47 PM
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Shrunken balls and a dick that doesn’t work too, kek
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:55 PM
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Well how other people conduct their relationships is not my lane. I am not in the business of saying women and men cannot act a certain way in their own relationships/marriages because it is bad for “society” or something. I do not know a single person who thinks about this in relation to their own relationships 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:34 PM
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Like if I choose to fall into gender norms for my husband, because this is what works for us and our relationship. I will never in my life consider how my choices impact “women” as a whole. “No honey I cannot make dinner for you because some feminist told me it upholds the patriarchy :/“ So completely cucked, I’d rather give him my gun and tell him to take me out in a murder-suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:29 PM
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I find it strange when people tell me I should consider “society” when making decisions with my fiancé over how to conduct our relationship. People putting the needs/desires of their spouse over everyone else should be common sense. I would wage entire wars for my pets, let alone my husband. Legit would nuke entire nations for him probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:23 PM
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Given this OP’s comments on their thread + their views, it comes across like they feel so much anguish at the restrictive norms of South Korea, that their only solution to ease this pain is to restrict anyone from conforming to gender norms. Either that or it’s sour grapes that they cannot openly identify as a trans woman. Like, they cannot access the gender norms they want, so if they cannot have them, nobody can have them. But tbh we can take this to its logical conclusion — OP’s stance is tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:12 PM
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I'm going to explain what I think is going on, and I could very well be wrong, but this is just what I see: You essentially feel like sex is a chore because you're not getting anything out of it. Do you have high inhibitions for sex and/or body image issues? Like you find it difficult to relax and let go? This is the only way I can understand why you would not want your husband to be attentive to your body and pleasure. And this has been going on for years, I presume? One can learn to be less in…
/r/RedPillWomen06/08/26 01:32 PM
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We require more context. What is both of your ages and how long have you been together? How was your guys' relationship during dating and early years of marriage? Have you always felt this flat about him, or is it more like the spark left after some years?
/r/RedPillWomen06/08/26 01:07 PM
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I am debating you, and it is your fault that you have answered none of my questions and have just resorted to clutching your pearls instead of actually engaging with the content. There is no destruction happening of women at large just because some of us choose to perform gender roles or seek this out from men. I promise you the world will keep on turning. You literally included yourself as part of women. Are you so ESL that you do not understand what ‘ourselves’ means? And you use it willy nill…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:51 AM
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Why would I prioritize “women” over my husband? This is single handedly the most retarded idea I’ve ever read. The way I conduct my relationship literally only involves me and him. I would never seek approval from Women, Inc. because they are not part of my marriage. I do not give a shit about what other women do because how they conduct a relationship with their own husbands only involves the two of them. I am not here to police anybody else. If you are non-binary then you are still not a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:37 AM
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You do, literally you, quit larping as a woman <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:16 AM
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You keep saying “should be stopped” but are not answering my question: should be stopped HOW? Since you compared this to govt restriction, is this how you want women’s agency to be limited? Give a straight answer. Additionally you are acting like women should all view things the same and that no woman should ever deviate just because it harms “all of women,” which is ridiculous. Frankly I do not care how my individual choices impact “women” — I am not a feminist and my only loyalties are to my h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:11 AM
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There is no feminism that lauds freedom of choice as inherently good just because the woman had the freedom to make that choice. This does not exist in feminist ethics; I am not a feminist and even I know that. The obsession with freedom is some libertarian sovereign citizen thing, and even they do not attach morality to a choice just because it was made with free will. But I am confused; people’s freedom to do things like rape, child sex abuse, murder, theft, public masturbation, etc. is restri…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:40 AM
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I think this is quite normal for men — a lot of men have their shit together specifically for their family or because they want a future family. Like they’re husband-maxxed, family man-maxxed. My fiancé is a bit like this. I mean, he is ambitious for the sake of personal achievement as well, and has a great curiosity of the world, but he is very much the type who is like, “Everything I do, I do for you and our future family.” It gives him great meaning and purpose. I think this is admirable, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:55 AM
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The person who refuses sex despite previously having sex, and knowing their spouse married them based on the reasonable assumption that they would continue to have sex, should leave the relationship. But in most cases they won't leave because they enjoy the benefits of a marriage even if they know this problem will persist until it deteriorates the marriage. The person who cheats on their spouse due to no sexual intimacy should similar leave the relationship, but they won't because they also enj…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:50 PM
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I do not think it is about changing society more than it is that I think people fundamentally cannot be memed into believing or behaving differently, no matter how many conversations are held. Like, if you look at the Gender Equality Paradox in Scandinavian countries, we see that the more people are given freedom of choice, they choose to default into common gender roles. So we can hold hands and kumbaya over changing the gender norms through freedom of choice, but they will remain norms anyway.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:15 PM
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I do not want to put my energy into most things that have zero utility, and I think that is where we differ. This is also part of the reason I do not support social feminism, as I think women are complaining about thoughts held by men that will not change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:35 PM
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I feel like I have clarified this already, what I meant by “not caring.” These men do not exist for me and so it is pointless to give energy to what they think. Everyone should accept that other people will form some kind of a judgement about them based on their background, sex, class, employment status, etc., and then just move on with their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:06 PM
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LMFAO I should have known, hahaha.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:57 PM
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You understand you are saying this is “nature” but somehow you are exempting yourself from this nature because you are so Based and Enlightened(TM) to deem this kind of violence as beneath you. Yet somehow, you also think other men will not also come to this conclusion, but instead will succumb to their instinctual male nature? This is some Olympic level mental gymnastics, that this is male nature but you alone will be the single male to be exempt from this, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:55 PM
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This mindset will be exactly how all the other men are, btw. They all will not want to get their hands dirty, and will believe some other man will do it LMFAOOO.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:43 PM
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How is that a dodge when that is the reality of how people make friends? They align themselves with others of similar values. Me and some fundamentalist Mormon will never be in the same social circle. I am not a feminist nor do I believe in any such thing as “social equality,” like I do not even believe that is a real concept. I do not even believe that relationship equality is a real concept lol. So correct, I am pro-stereotyping.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:32 PM
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This is an incel revenge fantasy that will never in a million years come true. If they try, the men in power (who will be married men who uphold the current system) will just send them off to a gulag and that will be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:26 PM
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They are not doing anything — look at you, you are asking WOMEN to do something for men even though men make up 50% of the population. So all these incels will do the exact same thing; grumble and bitch and moan but do nothing, as they are all waiting for someone else to save them. They will hang themselves or suck start a shot gun, dick in hand, bitching about the “foids” like the pathetic worms they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:14 PM
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But you claim nature will take over, turning you into a self-admitted rapist. Somehow it will happen to other men but not you? LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:09 PM
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You honestly believe these limp-dicked neurotic incels will create some uprising and start doing this on a societal wide scale? Lol? I think it is likelier that they will just kill themselves. If we are being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:07 PM
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He is not the kind of man I would date because I do not hang out in circles with fundamentalist religious people and mega conservatives. So effectively these men do not cross my mind as someone I have to reject, as they do not even interact with me. And there is no reason for him to anyway, as he would not approach if he got the impression I was a mega slut. So this is a not a contradiction since I believe we will just not be in each others’ social proximity to begin with. Is that not the same w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:00 PM
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Most children being born are not to single mothers, nor are most children (or even a significant portion of children) born from just the top percentage of men. I like how the argument is, like, “Gib men the secks otherwise nature will take over and we will rape you instead!!!” The men in my life will just kill that retard lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:42 PM
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Yeh, the “nature” of some retarded incel who cannot even say a stammering hello to a woman is goin to unleash his hidden wrath and start raping and pillaging, lmfao. Me or my husband or my dad or my brother will just kill some man like this if nature takes over.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:38 PM
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I don’t think men “should” pay for dates, however I think it is likely that a man will do less housework regardless. I am not mad about this, as I think this can be assessed in the first few months of a relationship. If he is a slob or he does not do the dishes after dinner together or something, you can just break up with him and send him on his way. Additionally, if you want children, it is also less likely that a man will be willing to give up his career advancement to be the primary parent. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:18 PM
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Literally none for me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:01 PM
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I exclusively dated within my social circles, so all the men I dated or went on dates with were least as acquaintances. Friends of friends type of deal, people I knew in undergrad or grad school, etc. I was open to cold approaches but didn’t prefer them because I have no idea who that man is. Had nothing to do with him “not seeing me as a person”; it’s that he cannot be pre-vetted for safety or quality. It is basically a waste of my time, and that’s also why I never used apps So whether women di…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:00 PM
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For some reason it is shallow when women seek out generosity, but not shallow when men seek out youth and beauty? Lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 04:12 AM
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If your argument is that women are psychologically wired to seek out resource provisioning due to child rearing, then by definition that is not materialism. That’s pragmatism and concern for family welfare and survival. Part of your argument is that women are allegedly more shallow than men and are content with using men as a means to an end, but this does not actually shake out as true considering men admit the only reason they seek out relationships and marriage is to have warm hole to cum in.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 04:09 AM
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There is no advantage to me asking a man out if an assertive man who takes initiative is what turns me on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:44 PM
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Some of the most feminine behaving men I know are gym bros on roids. Like they are just completely obsessed with how they look (feminine), worship other good looking men (feminine), and when you talk to them they have like Regina George tier comebacks (feminine). Lol. I appreciate traits commonly associated with masculinity, but come on bro, what is this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:00 PM
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I will be very blunt here. What you are wanting is a not a “gift.” Gifts are given freely, usually to express gratitude or appreciation. Since you are demanding this from men in order for him to access your time, what you are actually doing is making yourself into an escort. A cheap one, I might add. You are young and probably have some adjusting to do in a western dating market. Or you can keep these standards, as people are free to have whatever standard they want, but it is best to stop apply…
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/26 03:11 PM
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He asked this to assess whether you actually wanted to get to know him, or if you just wanted what he can allegedly provide. How old are you? I find it hard to believe a grown woman is getting baffled by the idea that western and westernized men simply have different dating culture.
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/26 03:00 PM
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No, you demanded a $60+ dollar gift even before you went on a date. Cultures that have a norm of gold digging fundamentally will not understand western dating.
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/26 02:48 PM
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If he is 2nd+ generation Australian, it will be weird request since all other women he dates will not have the same cultural expectation. He might have thought it was okay to entertain this, and then immediately changed his mind. His intentions were to find someone to date, and you did not fit what he wanted. That’s all there is to it.
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/26 02:39 PM
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If you are dating in a western country/culture, men do not buy gifts before a first date. It comes off like gold digging activities if you ask for it. Like 99% of western man will respond this way. What is your cultural background and where do you live currently?
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/26 02:13 PM
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I start telling everyone I know, and everyone he knows, that whenever he sees me, his eyes are still filled with sexual desire for me. I KNOW they are, and everyone else should know too. You know?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 11:55 AM
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Unless you can show this is main stream advice from feminists, there is nothing to discuss here. Retarded post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:27 AM
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Nobody gives women this advice, so already the premise of this post is wrong. Seriously, what is this “feminist advice”?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:51 AM
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Q4M: What is the bigger betrayal? A) Your gf breaks up with you and starts dating your friend B) Your parents tell you they did not really want you and that you ruined their lives C) Isildur not casting the One Ring into the fires of Mount Doom, instead choosing to keep the power for himself? (Cinema LotR only)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:37 PM
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"Why don't women cater to my sexual preferences and fetishes" ahh post. It is less time consuming to wear your hair down, even styled.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:32 PM
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It is not offensive, I am asking the OP to clarify. I am asking him if he thinks women should give their bodies to men for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:31 PM
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I am confused at the premise — men at the club are not expected to do anything. When I was in college, we (as a mixed gender group of friends) would go out to clubs and bars and it was just to have a good time. Men can literally just go to the club or bar with friends to hang out; most men going to these places are already going with friends. Single men with no friends are not forced to go to the club. They don’t “have to” do anything. As I understand it, young women (and men) are not even going…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:10 PM
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It does not mean they necessarily agree with the male framing of this. It means they just want to pay for half, lol, for whatever reason they want. The women who do pay for this reason may not even agree on principle, but see it as necessary due to how men are in their dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:55 PM
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I do not even think it is this. It is that men are not getting laid, they find dating difficult, and so they take this frustration out by being conservative and wanting to take away women’s rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:13 PM
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TRP and RPW is incredibly sexist to both sexes, so this is not really “man-hating” if you believe and accept men have some kind of “base nature.” Pink pill also conceptualizes some form of male nature and it’s not really about hating men. It is awareness of potential harm from and by men, particularly in relationships. Appreciating men is not a being a pick-me. A pick-me seeks out male validation at the expense of putting down other women, e.g. Pearl Davis. You can still have a partner in spite …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:55 AM
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My brain goes into overdrive with text 😭 Like, I am sure this is a ‘me’ problem, but because I lack language context (like body language, facial expressions) in text, it’s SO hard for me to understand how me and the other person are both approaching the conversation. I am so gentle with it IRL that I feel like I need to see my man and visually see we are on the same page, if that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:57 PM
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There was a guy who used to be here, or maybe he is under another alt, but he used to legit mald over anyone talking about their marriage or LTR. He would constantly ask mods to ban talking about relationships because he said it was a personal attack against him lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:52 PM
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Always IRL, I don’t even know why anyone would try over text.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:50 PM
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This subject will vary wildly region to region. Here in Texas it will only be recognized if you can prove that you both agreed to live as a married cohabitating couple. You do not even need to get legal divorce, and this does not happen in 99% of cases anyway. There are couples here who live together for years and then just break up, and no one is pursuing the other for money. They just go their separate ways. Is Brazil so cucked of a country that women are doing this? Like they are just claimin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:58 PM
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And so you think the solution to this is…? Restrict women from having independence or careers of their own? To restore the social contract? For me it does not make sense to plan a family with a man who brings a lot of uncertainty for the future. My fiancé also likes that I am a high earner. It means that if either of us were to get paralyzed tomorrow or otherwise be out of work, either of our incomes can cover the bills + contributions to our retirement. This is just good family planning, and I …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:25 PM
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Why anyone views relationships with other people as “achievements” is beyond me. You don’t want or like women as people. You want validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:13 PM
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LOL now you are the second. And there are tons more on the PPD Discord. See? I was not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:25 PM
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They could be, but the existence of self-reported ugly men having to “dumpster dive” and lie to fat women about liking them tells me this is male problem across the entire spectrum, not just attractive men. The ‘cels on this subreddit get on here and talk about how they want to mistreat women if they could lmao. How they’d resent her even if they got into a relationship. One guy even said he would not feel it was fair unless he got to domestically abuse her to make it even with what “Chad” gets …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:17 PM
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This is a whole explanation that men are sociopathic liars who are willing to deceive to get pussy. And this is not just the hot guys, it can be any guy — we have guys on this sub, in this community, who admit to being too ugly to get what they want, so they lie to fat and/or ugly girls just to have a warm hole to fuck. Every day, men push women into misandry on this subreddit lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:08 PM
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This is just whining, common from the kind of man who doesn’t get play and interest from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:23 AM
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They were not that interested in you to begin with. If you meet on dating apps, they are talking to multiple men, and you were not interesting enough for them to keep talking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:17 AM
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I don’t. Why does choice in friend indicate who you have respect for? I do not want to befriend men; it does not mean I look down on them. It means most of the stuff I do with friends are female-oriented and men tend to not be interested in this. If a man is able to treat people with societal politeness and friendliness, I think this indicative of him seeing women as regular people. Why does he have to have female friends that he hangs out with one on one?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:36 PM
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I do not give a shit if a man does not have female friends that he hangs out with one-on-one. I mean actually, who is giving a fuck. The crazy part about your story is that you don’t like him, you think his kindness is weird, and yet you’re still trying to be his friend. Just leave this guy alone lol, I mean do you not have other people to hang out with?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 08:54 PM
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It is always funny to me that men on this subreddit talk about how “women” put in zero effort, and it becomes clear as day they have just never had a woman who loves him lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:00 PM
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The expectations I have for my own relationship or even my own life are not applied to “society” via my voting patterns. It is asinine to expect other people to have their lives dictated by the government just to match my own preferred lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 06:57 PM
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I just told you I have no problem splitting dates. But I do look for markers of assertiveness and initiative. If he doesn’t have them, I stop being interested. Why would I do all the household things for a man I just met? We don’t share a home; that comparison is ridiculous. I do not even have access to a man’s home upon starting to date him lol. Men do not “have to” provide or pay for dates. They can set an expectation early and tell that to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 06:49 PM
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How people vote is not related to how they choose to live their lives and divide responsibilities within their own relationship. Why does this subreddit, you included, conflate these two things?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 06:42 PM
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Why? How I choose to live my personal life does not affect how I think “society” should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 06:11 PM
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Um? My fiancé and I vote Democrat. We just choose to live our lives the way we want to. What does this have to do with individuals search for partners? The OP is not even claiming that it should not exist, he is claiming that women who choose to “old school” are not “old school” themselves, and this is wrong in my case and the cases of so many other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:45 PM
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Being passive IS a deal breaker for me. I have many. If I flirt with a man and he does not make a move, I simply stop being interested in him. I have a lot of dealbreakers. He could be attracted to me, but him being passive makes me unattracted to him. How do you figure that I don’t participate in my own gender roles? I cook 100% of the meals in my household, do most of the cleaning, and I am the household manager. On top of this I work (a high earning career, mind you). So you are simply wrong …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:42 PM
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It’s attractive when men take charge and are assertive. Feckless men are deeply, deeply unattractive. Since this is a quality that I require for attraction, it does not make sense for me to continue dating men who don’t display these qualities. I also come from the American south, where chivalry and men offering to pay is the norm. Being “old school” is the norm. That said, I have no problem paying for half the date, and I split the date with my fiancé (among other first dates), but he also offe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:15 PM
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Yeah I would advise men not to date women who come with heavy sexual trauma. Any preference is valid if you just don’t want to date someone like that. I have a list of men I will not date under any circumstances so yes this is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:41 PM
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I think it depends on the length of time you’ve been dating, and/or how well you know your partner. How much you notice about their preferences and being able to connect the dots without being told. It also depends on what the “grand gesture” is, and whether these people are inclined to do this already. I have told all my boyfriends I really love flowers. I mean they will not know I like them unless I say it. Some women don’t care for them, just like I don’t care for fancy dinner dates. Not that…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:10 PM
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He’s a retarded clown, I mean there is really no other conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:55 PM
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Submission is earned through competence. If he cannot find a woman to submit to him, maybe he should reflect on why this is. Stop trying to fix him, this is a waste of your time.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/26 03:47 PM
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Okay. This is my advice to you. A 3-month relationship is not appropriate to be submitting to a man. You don’t even really know him, you haven’t even vetted if he can lead or what he is capable of. There is a reason RPW advises women to stay away from red pill aware men, especially the ones who watch Tate and the like. That IS a red flag. Tate is an alleged child sex abuser and child pornography consumer/distributor, so yes this is a massive red flag. You do NOT need couples therapy for a relati…
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/26 03:05 PM
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How long have the two of you been dating?
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/26 02:55 PM
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Yes. But my fiance and I are both firearm carriers and he insists that I walk on the inside closer to the sidewalk.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:40 PM
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First, how old are the both of you, and how long have you been dating? When you say “masculine” and “emotional,” what does this mean? You yell? Cry? Shut down and become difficult to talk to? I will be quite honest with you. A disagreement is a challenge of sorts, and there is no way around this. You can be gentle in this, but ultimately your boyfriend also needs to accept the fact that you have different thoughts or feelings on some things. This leads me to my last point: why do your friends th…
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/26 02:18 PM
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He doesn’t seem more physically attractive to me per se. My brain just flips a switch from “I will not have sex with him” to “I want to have sex with him.” It is a multitude of factors, some of which are part of personality like wit, humor, confidence, and how he’s flirting with me. Others are more dynamic physical things like how he smiles, how he laughs, and what he smells like. First hole a man penetrates is the nostril 👃
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:24 PM
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Your argument is biologically OPTIMAL, not biologically good enough for m*n who want to mate. Do you know what OPTIMAL means or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:22 AM
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Old sperm is poor quality sperm, so not biologically optimal. You preemptively did not want arguments for this because you have no adequate rebuttal for it. “Biologically” the best outcome is having children when both the mother and father are at their fertile peak. No amount of whining and crying about how you don’t want people to use this argument makes it any less true. You have spammed the same post on PPD and other subreddits over the span of 24 hours. At this point it is just trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:07 AM
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Men who feel confirmed paternity is important to them would bring this up before family planning or even before marriage. If he doesn’t, and later after the birth claims it is so important to him, he is very obviously a liar. He should deal with his insecurity himself and just swab that baby’s cheek and his own for his peace of mind. But these men don’t do this because they are feckless and incompetent.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:01 AM
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Women who struggle in dating are either low value, or what they can offer in a relationship is not enough for what they seek out. I don't know if I would say it is specifically because they won't have sex or don't like sex, because there are many women who have sex with men but cannot inspire commitment. So they specifically struggle in having a man treat her like a girlfriend rather than as a hook up call.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:41 PM
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Just something along the lines of "what does attractiveness mean to you? Not just in terms of physical, but holistically" or something like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:27 PM
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You can repost the other thread provided you specify that is not just about looks. Just some mention of it is fine, if you'd like. I will make sure it does not get removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:52 PM
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Deleted the post, classic 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:28 PM
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Legit the body and facial ratios are dead giveaway. The way the joints look too. Most trans women do not have the money to get full feminization surgery. So they end up looking like male bodies with makeup on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:57 PM
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“Sexually abusing children is not the worst thing ever” 🤢🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:53 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:35 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:11 PM
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TFR is understandable on a macro-level (for a specific nation), as people are increasingly worried about a future in which social security dries up, but most people also cannot afford to save adequately for retirement because cost of living will increase at a rate faster than wages go up. You can import the global south for this, but there are other issues associated with this. Nation and societal instability also leads to reduction in liberalism and freedom, which is bad news for the generation…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:02 PM
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Yes it does lol. It frequently discusses female AND male nature lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:32 PM
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"believe that one is deserving or entitled to certain privileges." Yes, so this is the belief that you are owed something – in this case, certain privileges that you think are deserved. Don't give a shit what you wrote in your OP because you are wrong, point blank, and everyone in this thread has written some variation of the same sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:55 PM
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Entitlement is not defined by actions, but the belief that something is owed to you. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:53 PM
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The alternative to marriage is not getting married lol. Just be honest. Please say it out loud. “I want the type of marriage where my spouse does not have the option to leave me. I want to own and control this decision.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:44 PM
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Not psychologically optimal knowing some old guy is going to give me his old sperm that is more likely to result in autism for my children. That is like the opposite of psychologically or biologically optimal. Not psychologically optimal when I know I will be lonely for decades — like a third of my life — after my spouse dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:47 AM
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Progressive like what? Like wanting people to have healthcare and for people to have longer maternity/paternity leave? Supporting trans rights? Straight up wanting communism and wealth redistribution or what? I don’t get what you are saying because you are somehow both vague and too narrow in this post. There are plenty of non-progressive or conservative women who also say they’d rather die alone than settle for less, so…? Someone’s wealth and class is not indicative of whether they are a good p…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:19 AM
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Red pill also has a stated male nature, which is that men are violent, sexually pushy, polygynous ephebophiles. Not that I think all or most men are like this 100%, but this is the “base instinctual state” so to speak. It is expressed to varying degrees in the vast majority of men. So idk why it is okay for red pill to have this belief but not feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:46 AM
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It does not mean women have to believe men are lonely, particularly when men mean “I have no pussy to coom in = lonely”. Most men have family and friends and ability to make friends. No pussy to cum in is not “loneliness.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:30 AM
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Women are not expecting men to believe us — the only thing that matters is that we have an answer when men ask/argue, and they can choose to believe us or not. Men get on this app every day and talk about how they want to be the one that “breaks women’s rules” and how they get satisfaction and status from eroding a woman’s boundaries. Even the ‘cels and sexless want to be this man. So everyone and their mom knows what male nature is like; this part is inescapable. You just hope (and try) to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:13 AM
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Can only be said by someone with no friends and no social circles lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:18 PM
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I never said it wasn’t?? I am not arguing that people should not use it, I’m arguing that the way OLD is setup brings additional hurdles in a way that meeting through social circle does not. It makes it “worse” or “harder.” Everything you’ve written here is completely brain dead and irrelevant to the conversation lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:07 PM
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Yeah I don’t give a shit since I only date via social circle
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:59 PM
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Naw, by “pre-vetted” I mean the men in my social circle largely have similar moral and political values, come from similar backgrounds as I do, have similar life trajectories, etc. I don’t have to actively go looking for those things because they are already present in my social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:40 AM
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I think online dating sucks in that there is no way for me to pre-vet men, unlike my social circle where most men are largely what I am looking for in a life partner, and so I do not have to filter for that. Online dating has also led to a resurgence in formal dating, which is unenjoyable to me. I understand why it’s like that, because you are basically strangers who don’t know each other, and formal dates are a way to get to know one another. But I find that process really grating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:15 AM
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A little bit of both. Broadly speaking, I like people who have a strong curiosity of the world and have a desire for achievement, as these are things I share and I’d like us to pass these traits along to our children. But I don’t need a man to be as good at professional design or cooking or whatever as I am. That is completely meaningless to me. Neither of these things tie into my respect for someone. My respect for someone — specifically a man — only happens when I perceive him as competent and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:37 PM
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Yeh. Be a man about it, don’t be a pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:08 AM
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No it’s just deadass retarded to think of dating this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:46 AM
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The subreddit is for women who want to maintain male-led marriages so everything you have said here is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:38 PM
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All this shit is so retarded, who the fuck is thinking shit like this while on a date with someone they are presumably interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:37 PM
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RPW was partially founded by one or two of the old senior endorsed TRP members. They were meant to be aligned on red pill theory and largely are; RPW still has old endorsed TRP members pop in from time to time to give male perspective. They are affiliated together, technically, and at some point Red Pill Wives branched off from RPW (largely consisting of older founding RPW members I think).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:55 PM
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Declining birthrates are bad for western civilization overall. When there are not enough people to uphold a culture or nation, it collapses and disappears. And often when societies are in collapse, liberalism and freedom are one of the first things to go. At the same time you cannot force women to have children. So most women will just enjoy the decline until the collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:09 PM
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Even better is when they admit that if enough of them don’t get fucked, they’ll vote to oppress women and start some violent uprising in where they’ll force women to serve men lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:00 PM
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Even better is when they admit that if enough of them don’t get fucked, they’ll vote to oppress women and start some violent uprising in where they’ll force women to serve men lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:59 PM
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Even better is when they admit that if enough of them don’t get fucked, they’ll vote to oppress women and start some violent uprising in where they’ll force women to serve men lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:58 PM
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Because I didn’t have them in my undergrad college circle or work with them, or go to grad school with them? Lol? All my friends and boyfriends have come from these places; they are all professionals working in tech, engineering, healthcare, and corporate sales.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:49 PM
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I was not exposed to dating down or up — what this means is that there was never anyone meaningfully in my social circles who were lower class. I only dated in my social circles. Those people are not in my social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:04 PM
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One of the posts I came across had this and I was like, she’s looking for a unicorn lmao “I’m attracted to men that have a provider mentality, I’m financially independent and stable but for me it’s about the feeling I get when I feel taken care of by my partner and I am not attracted to men that have a bill splitting or 50/50 mentality. My income level and lifestyle makes it hard to find compatible matches. All the quality profiles I see seem to want kids.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:32 AM
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I have seen like 4 posts in the last two days about high earning, childfree women having a hard time finding provider or non-50/50 men who are also childfree. They keep asking why it is so difficult and complaining that all the childfree men their age seem less mature or just want casual or are not providers. And it feels like it should be very obvious? Men tend to be more externally motivated in their romantic endeavors, so in the pool of men who make a lot of money, want to provide, and have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:39 AM
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What are we defining as simpy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:05 PM
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I do not know, I cannot tell you. I dated men in my social and socioeconomic class simply out of social proximity. I was never exposed to dating down or even up. The percent of egalitarian-financial and female-breadwinner marriages goes up every year. So likely women will just continue to do this. The women who really do not want to do this will just not date at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:53 PM
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10000% a serious argument. The OP's argument is that women should circumvent evolution of sexual attraction in the name of equality. So, I propose that men do the same about their biology to make things equal for women. But men don't want to do this because no one actually believes or wants "equal dynamics." They want the opposite sex to make things more advantageous for them, that's simply all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:43 PM
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I do not understand your question. Can you rephrase this? What is the issue? I go out and sometimes men approach. Most of the time this happens, I just say some variation of no thanks and we both move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:19 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:22 PM
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I am not turned on by passivity in men. So in this regard it is not better for me or any man I have to approach. I will not feel sexual for him. It’s like actively a disservice to both him and me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:12 PM
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And yet you still wish you had pussy 😔 Obsessed
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:19 AM
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That's right, getting head and sex every night could not be you. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:47 PM
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Lol I have a fiance - being sexless and bitchless is only for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:10 PM
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Good that you know that you are undesired!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:08 PM
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Correct, it does not exist. Not for you. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:05 PM
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Sounds to me like you do, in fact, want men. You should try again! You’re certainly not into women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:51 PM
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Why would a looks alone make me want to sleep with someone? That’s male sexuality. But if u like dudes, I’m rooting for you 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:18 PM
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That is not what I said. I said I find men good looking. That doesn’t mean I want to sleep with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:07 PM
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Q4A: If you could pick — either you never do your favorite hobby again, or you never get into a relationship again (including having to dump your partner/spouse), what would you pick?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:55 PM
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You literally agreed earlier with another man that his view of attraction (which is the same one I share of men) was the more common one, so lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:46 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:45 PM
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Looks don’t get me horny. I’ll see a good looking man and think he’s good looking, it stops there. I only get horny and feel sexual for a man when he takes the initiative to interact with me, when he is charming and smells good and is flirting with me. I can only get horny for men who I perceive as competent and respectable in this way. If he is passive, I just will never feel sexual for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:36 PM
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I do not believe that men find other traits sexually attractive. Sexually. The other traits are nice to have for them, but does not impact whether he wants to sleep with her or not. Men will see a static photo of a hot woman and his body will scream at him to cum in her pussy. Meanwhile women are more likely to have responsive sexual desire. I mean that is the long and short of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:04 PM
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Men literally say up and down this sub that their sexual attraction to a woman is just looks and youth. They don't give a shit about anything else. So I am taking them at their word.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:49 PM
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Why is this question directed at Blue Pill lol? They are more likely to say that women should do more approaching, and are more likely to not believe in the evo-psych of why women have receptive desire. Anyway, I will answer your question: a lot of women find it sexually attractive when men take initiative. Without it, we lose attraction. While a man may appreciate it from a woman, it does not fundamentally impact his sexual attraction to her. Nobody actually believes in equal dynamics between m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:37 PM
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How important looks are will vary from woman to woman. For me, looks are only important in that they should not hinder me from wanting to sleep with a man. And while I don't have "hookups" (like one night stands and no strings attached sex), I did want to sleep with my bfs and now fiancé early in dating. This meant his ability to turn me on was important here, which was a combination of primarily "game" and secondarily looks. This is really only an issue if you are unable to maintain attraction …
/r/RedPillWomen23/07/26 06:06 PM
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(This is a joke about the lettuce parasite going around in the US lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:55 PM
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You are using “gold digger” incorrectly here. If you want to talk about female entitlement, then do this, but gold digging as a concept does not fit into the concept you are trying to fit it into.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:39 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:55 PM
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This is all abuser talk. “I want to isolate women and make them have zero support system so that she is financially and emotionally reliant on me, and she cannot escape all the abuse I give to her.” Like you should have just typed that, since you don’t consider women as human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:49 PM
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He is some retarded black piller, I don’t care about him. Any men who believe him are severely mentally disabled too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:26 PM
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If you cannot find good women who are interesting to talk to, this is a personal problem. You are the only common denominator in all the relationships in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:19 PM
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u/Slow_Celebration1328 You must explain what the link in your post is for if you want this to be considered as part of your debate thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:18 PM
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Red pillers think that’s retarded too. Just like “have you tried being gay?” and “have you tried dating ugly men?” All that shit is gross, yuck
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:09 PM
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Dumb question, cannot believe it is getting asked. “Hey, have you ever thought about forcing attraction where there is none, and dating women with dicks?” Like lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:31 PM
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Yes, I don’t think the bar is lower for men overall, but the OP has asked us which domains we think the bar is lower, and those two stood out to me. That being said the bar is higher for men in other domains, such as taking initiative in dating, and professional career.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:03 AM
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In my social and socioeconomic class, women are making as much as their husbands and they share financial responsibility for their household, so I am not sure what to tell you. They are all working full time, and it is most often on mom to be the primary parent. This is how it is in middle class/UMC American southern suburbia. Additionally the pressures of what is considered “good mom” have blown up since the invention of social media, and because parenting techniques are largely aimed at mother…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:51 AM
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I do actually think the parenting standards for men and women are not the same, and generally this extends to being household managers as well. The United States is a large country so this could very well just be the regional culture I’m in, but still, it exists. Another area I think men have much more leeway is what is considered groomed and hygienic. As long as men don’t smell bad, this is fine. But women are perceived as gross and unkempt when we don’t wax/shave, if we have unpolished feet an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:37 AM
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“Don’t listen to what they say, observe what they do” applies to men as well 🤠
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:33 PM
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If you can’t quote it, you are simply wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:29 PM
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I never said these words. If you cannot quote it back to me, you are simply wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:16 PM
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It sounds like you are because I never said that. This is you just being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:04 PM
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No I did not. Are you getting your comments confused?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:02 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:59 PM
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Nowhere was I seal clapping for this. I said this was the reality. Men interpret this as seal clapping because they hate taking accountability for seeking out sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:55 PM
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These are not my words, this is just low IQ bait. This is why you should have remained banned from this sub omg.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:54 PM
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Everyone should be considering the reality of the world before engaging in whatever activities they want to do. Not doing this is incredibly foolhardy. Men who seek out gold diggers and sugar babies and escorts are seeking out sociopaths and then act shocked when these women are trying to see how much money she can get out of him. At this point, they are just low IQ men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:51 PM
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Everyone should be considering the reality of the world before engaging in whatever activity they're about to do. This is like women having children and complaining that they are de facto household managers and primary parents. Should have considered this before having children. None of your bullshittery retarded straw manning is going to make this different.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:48 PM
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Correct, why are we rehashing this? Like you are just agreeing with me, you are not even debating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:41 PM
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Correct, I tell women that the reality is there is a risk associated with dating men and engaging with men, so it is their choice to engage with men with whom this risk is higher. We understand each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:38 PM
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My comments do not say anything except that people should accept reality for what it is, which is the red pill mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:22 PM
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I am not defending it, I am saying this is the reality of an unregulated market, one that attracts people who see others in terms of transactions and dollar signs. There was nothing honest here to begin with. Gold diggers, sugar babies, and escorts have a sociopathic brain fold that enables them to separate feelings from human relationships. Why are men surprised when they engage and come across these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:02 PM
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Yes this is exactly my question. Like they are choosing to see women who inherently see men in terms of dollar signs. Why are they surprised that these women will try to take as much as she can get?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:51 PM
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Criminal is explicitly referring to the law lol, it’s poor behavior but it’s not criminal. Like if you thought seeking out a sex worker was going to be fair, I have a bridge to sell you. You explicitly looking for under the table work and transactional experience; these women are mercenary and sociopathic. It is a man’s choice to engage with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:36 PM
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That is the risk men take with sugar dating and seeking out sex workers, I am not sure what to tell you. This has always, always been an event that happened in sex work. It shouldn’t happen, but it’s not regulated. Frankly this is similar to the risk women take when you have sex with a man and he strings you along saying he wants a relationship but dumps you after. Any kind of dating will come with some level of risk. If she says she needs money for whatever, men are not obligated to pay this. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:23 PM
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It is not a scam if she is being picky and setting her price high. That's just some sugar baby pushing the limit on what the market will give her. It's not dissimilar from people who are picky about their employment and negotiate very high to extract the most benefit from working with that employer. How is that scam? Really the problem here is that you are now priced out of the market for the types of sugar babies you want. That is just the way the market works, I don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:49 PM
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Thailand used the be the spot for third world sugar dating / PPB-ing until the hookers realized they can get way more money from these men, and now it is getting 'expensive' (relative to years past) to do it. It's bloated with greed, but this is what sugar dating is. None of these women are genuine. They are mercenary and have to be. Men who engage in sugar dating are just pretending to not buy prostitutes, and to keep this fantasy up, they are willing to pay more and more money for the sugar re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:18 PM
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If you want to direct this at women, you ave to make it clear that youre directing is specifically to the group of women who date for money! So make a new post and resubmit :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:05 PM
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Sugar dating is just going the same way as Thailand sex tourism — men are willing to pay these prices for some women, so women will charge what they think they can get away with. And with how much men try to get away with 'salting' them, if I were a sugar baby I would also raise my standards or monetary investment. No one gives a shit about how these people "date."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:01 PM
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"Things are bad" for whom and in what way? Clearly if sugar babies and whores can demand more or have higher standards, it is not bad for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:50 PM
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Are you a man or a woman? This will affect whether this can even be posted in this subreddit, and which flair it has to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:46 PM
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I am whore second from the left
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:56 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:51 PM
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Larp
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:48 PM
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Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:47 PM
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I am not personally insulting anyone. I do not care for hugbox tone policing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:42 PM
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You just have a fundamental misunderstand of what "asking someone out" means. Even if you are friends beforehand, one of you will be asking the other out. Modern dating culture does not prioritize cold approaching and this has never been true. It's even less true now that online discourse has revealed women do not want to be cold approached, sometimes in any circumstance at all. Most approaches (if they happen at all) will be "warm approaches" — someone from within your social circle, with whom …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:41 PM
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This is not racist and has nothing to do about race or his sex. I'm Asian and an immigrant but have assimilated into western anglo culture so have experienced both. This is about western dating culture and norms. It is not my fault that non-western or non-westernized people come to this sub and spout the wrong things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:29 PM
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This whole exchange is retarded because your whole OP is based around the idea that asking someone out = cold approaching; asking strangers out. And it does not mean that. You are conflating a man having confidence with asking strangers out, and this is not the standard men are asked to meet. You keep talking about western culture after you have admitted to having never experienced it, so anything you say to me is completely and utterly useless to me. It is akin to like mosquito buzzing or flies…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:59 PM
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Downvoting comments is against the rules of this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:50 PM
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You are still not understanding. Asking someone out does not mean cold approaching or asking strangers out. I am not sure how else to explain to you that asking strangers out is not the gold standard even in the West. Not a single person thinks COLD APPROACHING (as you have defined “asking someone out” in your OP) is the standard. Even in Friends, there is Joey who does cold approach, but Ross and Rachel date after having known each other since high school. Chandler and Monica get married after …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:41 PM
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Premise of the post is wrong because no one in western dating considers “asking someone out” to mean strangers and cold approaching. This is even prevalent in all types of western media where friends or coworkers or otherwise people who already know each other refer to taking a romantic step as “asking me/you/him/her out.” This is the problem with non-westerners making commentary on western dating practices; they have no idea what it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:19 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:38 AM
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What does this have to do with what I said? I didn’t say women should move in before marriage and spend years living with him. I said cohabitation and premarital sex is a risk women can take, and sometimes this is a risk that pays off IF she has chosen well and sets boundaries for herself. This is highly dependent on each relationship. While I would not blindly suggest this to women, I do think I am the one being nuanced in my approach here. I do not know what you are doing. Also if you are talk…
/r/RedPillWomen22/07/26 01:32 AM
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There is nothing in this subreddit that advises women to love a man to his core before he’s proposed. There are a million and one resources here that tell women they are vetting him up until she marries him, and to give to a man using incremental reciprocity so you can safeguard yourself. Not cohabitating or not giving a man sexual access before marriage is not some cure-all for women’s vetting of men. It is largely up to the individual to assess whether this relationship is heading toward marri…
/r/RedPillWomen22/07/26 01:19 AM
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Stop posting and give me your bank account # and SSN. Then get back in the basement smh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:28 PM
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I do not care if a man has female friends nor do I consider this a "red flag," like I do not even know what that means. I only care if a man is able to be polite with a diverse range of people including women. I don't know why I would care about him having a friendship with a woman; I myself am not friends with any men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:03 PM
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This is not even a question, or shouldn't be — men will legit be with a woman for multiple years and consider this relationship "not serious." Like she is a starter gf or placeholder gf until something better comes along. A man who wants marriage (and specifically with YOU) will make this known early. But women are also idiots for just assuming he is open to marriage just because they are in a relationship. I mean that is just foolish once you have observed any kind of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:27 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:08 PM
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They can never take accountability for their porn sickness and now everything is nuked lol (they deleted their account).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:48 PM
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This post is brought to you by the guy who has father x daughter rape porn fetishes so like I would not trust any opinion here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:25 PM
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Lol a SAHM is only compensated well if her husband is contributing to her retirement, gives her days off, and gives her access to the family finances. Imagine being a SAHM and some dumb jar opener makes you ask for money or permission to do shit, lmao, I’d just kms. I do agree that a SAHM should carry most of the mental load if this is her only domain. But the argument is never that SAHMs are the ones doing this. It’s that women who work are also acting as primary parents and household managers.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:21 PM
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Yeh I mean, I’m open to changing my mind about some things, just not this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:12 PM
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This is just my theory, but I think it is ugly women who do this, like they want the clout of being an influencer or streamer but are too ugly to do so irl, so they tap into the anime gooner market lol. No evidence for this, just vibes. Also these vtuber models are suspiciously childlike. A lot of them emulate the soft, high pitched, cutesy voice of children. Baby talk. No one can tell me this appeal is not somewhat pedophilic in nature. Everyone engaging in this is weird. Someone out there will…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:42 PM
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My wedding is the only extravagant thing I’ve ever wanted in my life, lol. I’ve been saving up for a “wedding fund” since I started my adult working life, so since I was like… 22ish? I’m getting married next year and I am glad I started doing that. I don’t know how my fiance I would ever have a traditional wedding if we did not have the income to support throwing it. Rain on your wedding is good luck!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:26 PM
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How the fuck are trans women flaired RPW does this make any sense 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:37 AM
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Something to the first is fine, I think most people would pick to fall within their gender norms anyway. The second is like disgust inducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:32 AM
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Uhhh? The question is asking whether YOU want to live in a post gender world, and the answer for me is no because I would not be able to find any of these creatures attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:30 AM
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He says in the comments that this future means women have the same bodies and there is no sexual dimorphism. That is disgusting to me, like the question is asking if “you” want to live in this kind of world, and I don’t because I would find nothing attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:25 AM
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He literally says in the comments that males and females will have the same body type, no sexual dimorphism, that is completely disgusting to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:19 AM
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Generally it is a bad idea to do anything for a person just and only because you expect it to lead to something else. I cooked in every relationship I was in, but I also like cooking and it’s enjoyable to me to share the things I make. Obviously some of these relationships did not work out, but this not a problem for me because I had a good time. Nobody is entitled to anything. These are not problems with “men” or “women,” but problems for men and women who are too desperate and do not set bound…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:42 AM
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The idea where everyone is the same agender blob is an ick, like how would I ever feel attraction to anyone to have a relationship and start a family? The idea of fucking women with dicks or men with vagina is also yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:33 AM
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Ew no, this sounds horrific.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:24 AM
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Attraction kinda is a meritocracy in that they have traits that are good for attracting others and dating lol. Like they are “rewarded” for being good looking, confident, proactive, charismatic, sociable, etc. in the form of getting attention from the opposite sex. What you are describing is that dating is not equal or egalitarian, which is like… yes, ‘water is wet’ tier thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:04 AM
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I do not know who needs to hear this, but reporting people who post jokey, trolling comments under the Automod is incorrect. That is the purpose of Automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:56 PM
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My ideal society is one where human relationships are not profitized by tech bros who are thinking about the Match Group shareholders lol. Also, who is "you"? I'm a woman. I am not advocating for women to have no filters, so I have no idea what made you think this was the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:46 PM
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Because it is overwhelmingly men who the ones having to pay the money. Most women will not have to do this. I understand dating has never been and will never be fair, but I think telling men who are already not getting matches, to just boost his profile (in where the result is that he is likely to just continue not getting matches) is asking men to embarrass themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:49 PM
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I fundamentally do not believe that people trying to find relationships should be profitized. Of course I think men can assume this at their own risk, and that the wiser decision is to just not use dating apps rather than give it money in hopes of changing anything. Because the truth is that a man who is not desirable enough to compete on apps will not be chosen regardless of how much money he gives to the app. An undesirable product with more exposure still does not get purchased. Club cover fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:41 PM
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Having to pay money for the chance of finding a relationship is some sort of humiliation ritual for everyone involved, but especially for men. "Hello, pay us money for the chance at being chosen by a woman!" — this is so completely dystopic that it could only have been conceptualized by some kind of corporate human cockroach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:20 PM
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It is not some controversial take to me that men are violent and pushy about sex. I think everyone should just accept this as part of male nature and stop caring and everyone will be better off. I am not a feminist, but like generations of women before me have known what's up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:18 PM
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No one in the history of the world believes that women are just as violent and feel the urge for criminal violence as much as men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:11 PM
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No one thinks women are innocent, just that men disproportionately make up criminal behavior particularly in violent crime and sex crimes. Hate crimes too. There is no convincing me that men and woman are equally violent and aggressive, or even that gap is "much closer," or anything like this. It is biological imo. Edit: I find it crazy that red pill men are commenting and telling me it is not biological when red pill theory asserts that base male nature is to be violent polygynous ephebophiles.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:02 PM
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What are you defining as casual sex? Like a ONS with a stranger? Because you can have casual sex in the form of hooking up with someone from your social circle (which is pretty common), or sleeping very early with a man you are dating, and in those cases a lot of your points don't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:26 PM
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I am leaving him and this is why I stay strapped if he tries to force it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:12 PM
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I do not think anything when men complain; everyone complains a bit. If it is repeated complaining and that is all someone talks about, that will get annoying, but it's not like I am going to stop them. Some of my charitable giving is to local non-profits that specifically work with, or provide for, a male population. Men still complain. So whatever, they complain, what am I supposed to think or do about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:33 PM
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She told me that she knows a “reformed murderer” and that everyone deserves a second chance. 🤢🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:40 PM
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Reformed murderer lol. Yeh that’s complete retardation to date a man like that. I cannot even take this comment seriously. “DATE A FORMER MURDERER!!!” bro should have rotted in jail for life or death sentence himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:38 PM
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That’s partially the point of the Discussion flair. Do discuss preferences and experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:37 PM
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It’s not a debate at all, correct, which is why there is a pinned post at the top stating it was changed to Discussion and that the question should be answered by everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:22 PM
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The question is relevant to heterosexual dating and sexual attractive dynamics. What is the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:18 PM
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I don’t hookup, I only have standards for a man I want to date. I do sleep with men early in a relationship, so in that sense it is “casual sex” to me, but all of these men are held to the same standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:13 PM
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This question has been changed to Discussion and will be open to everyone, men included, in order to avoid circle jerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:07 PM
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What do you mean “court of public opinion”? You cannot control what people think and if they face any social consequences for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:02 PM
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Sure, like, don’t get me wrong, if the crime is one DWI at 21 years old and he’s got a clean record — both driving and criminal — since then, it’s forgivable. But the original context of this was me mainly talking about DV; situations in which women should have “known better,” and I do not believe these men can be trusted. DV, assault, sex crimes, theft, tax fraud, any kind of felony.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:48 PM
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Crazy that I have women telling me to give a chance to a guy with a criminal record. “You could be missing out! Everyone deserves a second chance!” Yeh just not with me lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:36 PM
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Crazy that I have women telling me to give a chance to a guy with a criminal record. “You couldn’t missing out! Everyone deserves a second chance!” Yeh just not with me lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:35 PM
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Yeh I mean I really do not care for hug box language when the definition of criminal = person who committed crime lol <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:29 PM
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“Yes Chef”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:15 PM
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I mean there is nothing for them to do here except meet standards or date a woman who has lower standards, like in the ghetto or trailer park.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:40 PM
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Yeh I mean that’s great for you, but I am not into dating men with criminal charges; I am engaged to a man with a clean background. We also have a house and a Mustang, an Accord Hybrid, a dog, a cat, and a bearded dragon. I did not have to date a criminal to get all of that. Also if a man has got some sort of DV charge or anything involving violence, that’s even worse. I would not even hear anything out, he is getting ghosted. Disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:19 PM
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Yeh I don’t date criminals, any kind, it just makes them retard (at that point in their life). Why should I give some guy like that a chance? It’s not even about him being an adulterer, I just don’t want to date a criminal lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:40 PM
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There was a post recently deleted where the OP was advocating for large age gap relationships, and then if you went to his profile, it was chock full of violence and rape oriented porn lol. Like he participated in “Fascist Misogyny Father” and “Daddy’s Dark Fiction” subreddits that sexualize fathers and daughters. So of course these weirdo men will make age gap relationships look bad because they want to fulfill their sick perverted fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:00 PM
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If you look at the subs he participates in, it is a list of violence and rape oriented porn. So it all makes sense why he feels this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:41 PM
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LMAOOO ok
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:31 PM
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Hahaha, here comes the argument that “all average and below average looking men are good partners, but no one gives them a chance!!!!” LOL. Anyway that does not address the core of what I said; OP says that women having nothing else to bring to a relationship except sex, and this is verifiably untrue because women tend to carry more of the household management and responsibility. And that is true even for middle class couples where both people are mid (as this is most couples). I don’t entertain…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:09 PM
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Men want kids like children want pets. For a lot of them, they want some sense of genetic legacy, but they don’t actually want to be fathers or be the responsible parent. It always makes me laugh when I see threads on Relationship Advice or the Marriage subreddits where the husband wants his wife to stop working and be a SAHM, but he does not have a plan for how he is going to make up for the loss of her necessary income. Then again I cannot imagine marrying that kind of bozo of a man so lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:53 PM
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Yet somehow, women still do the majority of domestic work and act as primary parents even when both spouses are working the same hours. This whole post is projection because most men on this sub know they have nothing to offer except dick. It is not women who are the ones screeching into the void about how all we care about is how hot our partner is, and that we don’t care about anything else. I cannot even imagine what it is like being in a relationship with one of you; it is so completely fore…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:27 AM
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Weird take from a man who doesn’t not even definitively want kids himself and will never go through pregnancy and childbirth. “I think I know better than other people, who are living lives that are their own and not mine.” Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:01 AM
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One’s value and one’s standards do not have to align. That’s not how dating works. A man who wants big titties on a woman does not have to then have a large penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:47 PM
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So then why should people drop their high standards? You’re telling people to drop them and be high value instead. Just be of high value and keep the standards lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:57 PM
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Bringing something to the table, so to speak, is completely unrelated to the standards you hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:44 PM
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Get on some form GLP-1 if you can. Make sure your eating habits change while you do this. Lots of cardio. Count your calories if you have to. Good luck!
/r/RedPillWomen18/07/26 06:13 PM
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A lot of the guys on this subreddit know they are low value — they just wish women will dumpster dive for them similar to how some men will dumpster dive for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:29 PM
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The only time I have ever seen af/bb is like one specific case that involved a single mom who beta buxxed really hard. I think it happens but it’s so rare. Like the majority of women don’t spend 18-30 years old exclusively fucking hot guys and never get into committed relationships in the same pool of men they hook up in. That is some fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:19 PM
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Blue pill is everything that is not red pill; even purple and pink pill are just different flavors of blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:10 AM
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It is complete rage bait, I am even weirded out by it as a woman. Like why would I have a relationship with a man I am not attracted to, and let him do all these things for me knowing I will end this relationship due to not being attracted to him. Comes off like using the guy, it’s so strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:07 AM
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It does not matter to me what most would refer to as hypergamy because this is called “purple pill debate,” in where the goal of the subreddit is to debate the validity of red pill ideas and prescriptions vs. blue pill (everything not red pill), otherwise it would not be called purple pill debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:00 AM
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The least you could do is actually understand how hypergamy is defined in red pill before speaking on it. Words are used all the time separate rom existing definitions; why did Foucault use the word “discourse” as he does when it already has an unrelated definition? Language evolves in usage, I am not sure what to tell you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:46 AM
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No it’s not. I have been in red pill spaces for 10+ years. Female hypergamy in the red pill describes a mode of female serial monogamy in where they seek out alphas. Alpha in the red pill is not about provision at all, or status relative to the woman. It’s holistic attractiveness status relative to other males. You can even go to the red pill subreddit and it will say this. Everyone posting on PPD is a joke now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:24 AM
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None of you know what female hypergamy in the red pill is, it has nothing to do with provision. All red pill knowledge is dead now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:38 AM
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I gave lots of them a chance when I was also young. Now that I am older I am not inclined to do this (neither am I single). So I do think women give some of them a chance. I don't think these men are "supposed" to do anything. They can keep trying if they want to. I think it is natural for people to want a romantic relationship, so in a vague manner I wish them happiness and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:51 PM
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I mean some men are already like this, they will never LTR with women who are not matched with him. My fiancé is like this, like he would never in a million years date a woman who was uneducated or wasn't in his social class.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:36 PM
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Yes I actively avoid developing friendship with men. Interacting with them professionally is unavoidable but this is largely through email and group calls as I work from home. I do not even see the value in being friends with a man to be quite honest. Most of my hobbies are female-oriented. There is, like, nothing some random male friend can give me that is not surpassed by my female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:49 PM
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Love this for all of us LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:14 PM
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No, because there is no way for me to feel sexually attracted to a man unless I am interacting with him. There needs to be some seducation from his end going on. Also tho, of course I value the life I have with my fiancé and do not want to give this up, but this also has nothing to do with not being able to feel sexual for men I don't respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:10 PM
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I think all other men are retards compared to my own man, so. Also hypergamy is not polyamory? I date hypergamously because it is the only way I'm able to feel attraction to a man. Once I find a man, I close myself off to other men. I have no male friends, I have no close males in my life aside from my family and fiancé.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:03 PM
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I would beg to differ. I've avoided relationships is based off what I've learned about them before we got serious. Doesn't this just fall in line with what I said? "Early in dating." If some guy approaches me, I will not know if he cheated on his previous partners or anything like that. I mean I just do not know him. Anything I assess will be based on his behavior as we are talking and getting to know each other, possibly within the first few dates or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:33 PM
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I think it is impossible for most people to know someone's history as you start dating them, unless they are a public figure with a scrutinized public life. So really in most cases, this decision has to be made based on signs within early dating. You could probably run a background check on a guy to check for DV or any criminal charges, and that is a case in which women should have chosen better, if she saw this and decided to date him anyway. But again I think "you should have chosen better" is…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:28 PM
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Repeated behavior. I can understand choosing one bad guy, maybe two. Choosing a bad man again and again is clearly a personal problem. But "you should have chosen better" is a useless statement to make. It should actually be, "You should choose better."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:13 PM
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Do you guys remember the "High Value Woman Book" guy? Everyone would clown on his retarded e-book because the first paragraph claimed that women chose to get raped, lol. I sometimes wonder what happened to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:59 PM
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Just let them be alone, idgaf about unlovable women and what they think of themselves. A woman who thinks she is too good for the men around her is the only common denominator there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:55 PM
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I cannot date hypogamously because I cannot respect a man that way, which leads to me never feeling sexual for him. Like it just kills any and all attraction if I think he is incompetent and incapable. Red pill hypergamy ("MY man is the king of the world and all other men can fuck off") is necessary for women to maintain attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:52 PM
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I never said I was, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:24 PM
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Yes I do not disagree that men seek this out for relationships. However this has nothing to do with his sexual attraction to women, and I even said this up above: attraction dynamics; sexual attraction. There is a reason why red pill groups these traits into two categories: sexual value, and relationship value. Men are not attracted to career or status, but it will play a role in how he chooses a wife. This is not attraction, this is pragmatism in life-building.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:24 PM
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Red pill women do not date men who lord over them, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:20 PM
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It seems like you have your mind made up on what red pill men and women are like; if you cannot understand that they are also humans who feel human emotions and care, then this conversation is pointless. Have a good one!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:12 PM
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That is a personal problem for men to figure out if their will to live and be functioning adults is tied to having a partner. These are the types of men who say stuff like, "I'll kill myself if you leave me!" and expect their partner to shoulder their mental stability. Crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:04 PM
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They were not insane, they were inexperienced men who desperately wanted to be loved. Aside from this, the idea that getting a gf for some time is not some pipeline to his success. There are many men in this subreddit alone who lament that they HAD a gf who cared about him, they fucked it up, and have not been able to date since.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:00 PM
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If the men in that position hypothetically had some mythical angelic girl come into his life for one year and they gave him a little bit of experience, he would even out to a well rounded individual that can navigate properly. No. I have shared my experience with this on the subreddit plenty of times now, that loner depressed "incels" were my type for a lot of my dating years. Lonely, struggling men self-sabotage when they do get into relationships. I was interested in quite a few in my younger …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:51 PM
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Believing in certain attraction dynamics does not mean you do not value or trust your partner, or that you are incapable of caring for them. There is a great deal of individuality that red pill cannot account for; the described sexual nature is more like a theoretical baseline rather then saying "all men/women are only interested in these things." It is incredibly disingenuous for you to presume red pill aligned people treat their partners/spouses as if they are disposable and don't have the hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:43 PM
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Largely I do not think initiative and confidence (I meant this in a seduction, taking charge sort of way) are relevant in male attraction to women. However I do think men are attracted to beautiful, young, thin women. The red pill supposes there is more to female sexual nature than just looks, whereas the main sexual driver for men is how a woman looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:31 PM
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Of course I am. "The wall" is the oldest known concept to women, lol, like we know there is an age at which you attract less men, and these men are more attracted to the next group of young women. The wall can be delayed if you take care of yourself, but every woman reaches this. I do not even believe men have a true "wall" like women do. And yes to all of the other things. Hypergamy, AF/BB, all of it. I do think there is a lot of room for nuance here, like I do not think AWALT means every woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:59 PM
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A lot of TRP has to do with how men could "game" female attraction as it were, and so in decades past, it was mostly men sharing their trial-and-errors of what worked and didn't work. It was a bit like PUA but with evo-pysch rationales. Basically a hobby anthropology club on why men and women sexually selected as they did, with the ultimate goal of actually putting these theories and prescriptions into practice (in whatever way a man was comfortable with) to improve his sexual/romantic outcome. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:43 PM
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The theories posited by TRP and RPW are not really about traditionalism, and a lot of outsiders to red pill get this wrong. Well, lol, some (male) red pillers themselves get this wrong, but they are low IQ and do not deserve to flair themselves red pill. Most of what is in the red pill has to do with attraction dynamics. Women largely do like men who are good looking, confident, and take initiative. It does not say that women naturally want to stay home, and indeed, many of the women who partici…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:02 PM
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From your post, it is not like the more desirable men appreciate her sexual attention either, so this is not really the issue. It’s that the man is not desirable enough to allow women to put up with him not appreciating her. Of course I would never say this is all women or even most women. Just like I would not say most men have nothing of value. What you are actually complaining about is that men who you deem unworthy still want sex. Okay, and what? I would like a job that pays me 5 million per…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:20 PM
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There is no reality in which wives do not take care of their husbands. As I have said before on this subreddit, the standard for what makes a good wife is often higher than what makes a good husband (in my region of the United States and many parts of Asia, idk about other countries). I cannot speak for women who are just want to be “gfs” or only have some desire to casually date around, but women who are wives or want to become wives take joy in taking care of her man. I would not say that men …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:47 PM
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If you want this, either date older or choose men your age who have potential to be this. You are college aged, and you can find men who have good work ethic and are ambitious in their career. My biggest suggestion is to meet as many men as you can, especially while you are finishing undergrad and graduate school. You can ponder standards all you want—ultimately you will not know what kind of man is good for you unless you are meeting them. A man can have all these traits on paper and you still …
/r/RedPillWomen17/07/26 04:17 AM
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I only want to sleep with a man if we have been flirting and he’s hitting on me and we spend some time talking. This tends to happen quickly for me though, like I can feel turned on in the first few days to week or so of us talking. I’ve slept with my bfs on the 2nd or 3rd date lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:33 AM
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Grunting, growling, swearing, dirty talk. Quiet is fine too, it just depends really on what kind of sex we’re having.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:21 AM
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This post does not make sense to me because it presumes men treat Stacy the worst, and they don’t. Stacy gets fawned and simped over; even assumed Stacies on the internet get this treatment (provided she is not in a space full of bitter men). Tbh I do not care if some man treats me neutrally with standard societal politeness vs. “kind from the heart” because I understand people will naturally be nicer to those they want to date. If he stops acting that way with me because I make it known I am no…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:11 AM
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I am not turned on by random men I see in public. I separate thinking “that’s a good looking man” from “I want to sleep with this man.” I can usually see a good looking guy every time I head out in public. I don’t want to sleep with any of them though, not even when I was single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:13 AM
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Dinner mogged yet again. Pork souvlaki, lemon-herb rice, salad, tatziki <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:08 PM
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No, I would like to see an entire genetic profile, as only the fittest of men can handle the responsibilities of PPD moderation. 🙂‍↕️ But seriously, this is just a joke and I feel like I have to clarify this otherwise ppl will take me seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:14 PM
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We are looking for a red pill aligned person to join the moderation team. Preferably a man. You will be required to show proof of XY chromosomes. Since messages to Mod Mail have been messing up, please contact me through Reddit DMs, or contact the subreddit moderators on the PPD Discord. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:22 PM
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Yes, you ruined your chances. He has ghosted you, it is time to move on. Being stuck on one person who you barely know, with whom you never actually shared a relationship, is not healthy for you to dwell on.
/r/RedPillWomen16/07/26 07:09 PM
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I have been more conservative than any man I've dated. They have all leaned liberal, and have had no problem with provision or paying for dates, had strong work ethic, were incredibly intelligent, and were masculine. So really this seems like a personal problem where you think women do not actually want liberal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:37 PM
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Asking 300 women what they want in a husband is a type of study. Sometimes self-reported surveys can hold useful data. If you are asking why social scientists do studies, it's because they are largely conducting these for their graduates studies, on topics they find enjoyable or worth exploration.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:21 PM
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You interact in the real world and stop caring as such. Male and female nature are only theoretical baselines; everyone has some degree of individuality informed by multiple factors including (but not limited to) regional culture, family, education, social class, religion, and simply personal preferences. Interacting in the real world allows us to see these differences and not treat men and women as if we are all governed by AMALT/AWALT. It also requires some self-acceptance that you are also pr…
/r/RedPillWomen16/07/26 05:06 PM
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Yes, I even mentioned that in the list in my original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:02 PM
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I think this discussion is pointless because even the scrawniest man could hold me down and rape me if he wanted to. To be in a relationship with a man is to be in an inherent imbalance, and you trust this man will not hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:57 PM
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It absolutely is related to the topic. You think it is bad when your partners are sexually selective with you lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:30 PM
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I am not. Men like to act dumb when I say this is the case, but they say it all the time that they want want to be the guy who breaks women’s rules lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:10 PM
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I am debating. You said it yourself that it is insulting and untrustworthy that a woman who did something with a previous partner will not do it for you. It feels off. It gives you the impression that they do not care for you. Conversely, a woman who is willing to do something with you that she never let others do before means she cares more. This is not an insult, it’a a favor. It makes you feel good. She is trustworthy. So what does this mean? Men do not want women have sexual boundaries when …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:03 PM
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I do not believe that anyone has conversations with their current partners about being a “living fuck doll for years” for past partners while beginning to date. Because somehow you knew this at the start, when you waited 6 months, right? Lol. People try things with their past partners and decide that they either want to do those things again, or they don’t. Men experience this too with things like cunnilingus, period sex, being a provider, getting married, and having kids. People having boundari…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:54 PM
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Gardening, cooking, crocheting, baking, playing cozy video games, curating my fiancé’s wardrobe, collecting novelty handbags, planning my wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:42 PM
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This is just ESL rambling from a boy who doesn’t understand western dating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:27 PM
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I have never had to ask because I don’t date idiots who can’t see the trash is full. And if my man hears me tying it up because I was going to take it out, he stops what he’s doing and takes over. However if I were to ask, I would expect it done immediately because it means the trash is full and I need to throw something away while cooking dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:20 PM
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Okay so then men cannot claim society lied to them or conditioned them to behave any way around women, since they have eyes and can see and make their own decisions. They choose to do all the things they do; their actions are their responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:10 PM
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They are banned all the time what are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:03 PM
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2nd
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:52 AM
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Yes LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:17 AM
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I actually have never seen or read the play! No, it is not just this battle but the whole era of Caesar to Octavian that interests me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:14 AM
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Above average men usually don't have interest in these women — I am pretty sure the data shows most people mate assortatively wrt to both attractiveness and SES. So the world is functioning as intended!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:23 AM
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No we are actually looking for a new mod, and I am injecting my own humor into this lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:17 AM
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Must also follow the 666 rule - 6ft, 6 brain cells, 6 temporary bans from the subreddit. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:06 AM
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We are looking for specifically a red pill user, preferably a man, to join the moderation team. Must be high-T, over 6ft tall, and makes >$100k. Please inquire by sending a message to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:53 PM
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I don’t think they are trying to shame her, as I have never seen this directed to women. I think they are trying to vent in male oriented spaces, kind of like how women vent in female oriented spaces that men are cheap, men just want sex, etc etc. I do not view this as “shaming” those men; it’s that everyone is just complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:32 PM
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I am a woman from the Philippines, and this is going to be repeated ad infinitum on this subreddit The women who want passport bros in my home country are not looking at him for “genuine desire” lol, they are looking at him as the ultimate beta bux and are willing to have sex with him in order to get access to his money. One of the PPBs from this sub tells stories like, he’ll get a gf and they’ll have a sex, and then she will tell him right after that if he stops being fat, he won’t be so unattr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:05 PM
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I knew what I wanted since I was like 19 years old, which was to get married to a good man who will be a great husband and father. I do not date men who don’t approach, as I cannot feel sexual for those men. Thankfully I am getting married soon to the man who fit what I was looking for. There is a guy who posted here last week who left his first marriage cause he didn’t feel like being tied down anymore even after having 2 children. So I guess men also do not know what they want (evidenced by th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:19 PM
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Opium Wars for the meme or possibly the Battle of Actium I am not a feminist tho lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:30 PM
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I am a CIA sex operative and I can confirm that I do, in fact, give my fiancé the Samsung spin cycle 9000 sloppy toppy. In fact I even admire my fat ring while giving him head. It sparkles nicely in the low light, you know? Also that video you linked does not say she doesn’t do it for her husband, or even that she has a husband — or did I miss anything? So I guess this post is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:40 PM
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Would u say they are master baiters? Personally I have thought about this and I think this worth mod discussion. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:05 PM
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“Some days later” is not an English idiom, but maybe it is in French, I don’t know. Ironically you are doing the thing you’re soap-boxing to me for; you cannot even admit that this behavior is not “men” or even all “red pill men.” I can at least admit I have seen this online and that I do not care. I do not think it’s some moral outrage. You are doing God know’s what here. Men watching porn and yet not wanting to date sluts (in whatever way this means for them) is nothing to care about in my opi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:50 PM
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It’s not even like this, it’s more like an amoeba lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:36 PM
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Accountable for what? Having preferences? Thinking some woman is too slutty and getting the ick at her is not some moral issue. Of course I think there are things people should not do, either because it’s a crime or it violates someone else’s autonomy. Complaining about slutty women isn’t one of those things. Just like women complaining about cheap men on dating apps isn’t one of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:57 PM
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It’s not even a personal experience, it’s an entire fiction based on unbelievable scenarios that have never happen in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:49 PM
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You are telling me that men in your area of the world publicly discuss porn with each other at a volume that others can hear, and then a few days later you are around in the same space at the same time as these same men, and then they are talking about all the slutty whorish women they saw on dating apps? Okay, I believe u.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:28 PM
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I do not care if people are hypocrites about their dating and sexual preferences. No one’s preferences are devoid of double standards and hypocrisy. Women do this too. “Men who objectify women are the scum of the Earth!!!” and then post a thirst trap or may even be a sex worker herself. I simply do not care to thought-police people—if some guy thinks a woman on a dating app looks like a slut/whore then whatever, what am I supposed to about this? He goes online into r/ dating and says, “There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:59 PM
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I have never actually seen them lash out to women on dating apps. Also they’d need to match first in order for messaging to be enabled, and they are likely swiping left to begin with. If the OP means that men get online, like on Reddit, and make commentary about slutty women on dating apps, I still do not agree that men “shouldn’t” do this. They are complaining, who cares, women complain all the time too about the men on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:44 PM
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They look at half naked women on OF and Reddit because it’s free and those women are offering their services. That doesn’t mean they have to then find slutty looking women good dating prospects. I have never actually seen “men” get “upset” or angry that women present slutty and/or have near naked thirst traps on dating apps. If there is a response at all, it’s disgust or an ick. I do not even care that they are hypocrites. Nobody has dating standards devoid of double standards or hypocrisy. It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:37 PM
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I do not believe in “should” — I mean people can do anything; asking them to not to feel a certain way about half naked women is no concern of mine. But you are asking why men do this (if they do this, as I have never seen it), and the answer seems really obvious, doesn’t it? They are okay with women who choose sex work because it benefits him when he wants to jerk off, but then he does not want a “slut” or woman who caters to the male sexual gaze when he is now in the position of choosing a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:08 PM
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LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:25 PM
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A man asking me to spit and step on him is such a visceral disgust that I would not see him as masculine anymore. He’s just some blob to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:23 PM
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I am largely “provided” for despite being a high income career woman, and in general it is women in higher socioeconomic groups who can more easily find this simply because they are in the correct demographic of dating men with the means to provide. I also think men can more easily find women who are willing to do more “trad-wife” duties since women tend to do more of this anyway, particularly if they want children. The role of being the primary parent tends to blend together with being the hous…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:18 PM
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Haha yeah I’d do this IF the first time I saw him wasn’t on the date, but after some time of talking. In the grand scheme of things I don’t think it’s that weird. It’s like how people used to meet each other off Yahoo chat rooms or AIM, and then exchange pictures much later. The reason I wouldn’t wait until the first date is because of safety reasons. I used to give my sister my location and the guy’s Facebook/Instagram before a date so someone knew where I was and who I was going to be with jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:01 PM
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3.59 babyyyyyy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:55 AM
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You are getting bodied throughout this whole thread because you are wrong. Men charm and seduce women all the time and throughout history, contrary to you saying this is a modern phenomenon. Men making women interested in them emotionally is what is happening and works extraordinary well. Especially given that women are more likely than men to have responsive desire and responsive sexuality. I cannot even take your OP seriously when you argue that women want to be in emotional control. The femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:56 PM
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Correct and I will, given that this is a characterization seen and even admired through the ages over a millennia. Don Juan was written in 1630, Don Giovanni was composed by Mozart in 1787, even the term “Casanova” for a charming, seductive man is based on a real Italian man from the 18th century who romanced hundreds of women across Europe. The archetype of seductive and charming men even persisted into the 20th century with characters like James Bond. I mean how can you look throughout history…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:46 PM
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I think you are flat out wrong about men not seducing women or having never been in these roles; some of the earliest mythology includes male gods wooing, charming and seducing women into sleeping with them, and somehow you think this is a gendered role? LMAO like zero grip on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:37 PM
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Okay if you think womanizers just stand there and that this definition does not include charm and seduction, you are ESL or just too young to understand how heterosexual attraction dynamics function.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:25 PM
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How do you think they are successful with women? They are habitual flirts, charmers, and seducers. Like you think they just stand there and not flirt and women flock to them? LMAOOO.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:20 PM
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What you are describing on the female side is not seduction. It’s coyness. When we think of seduction, this is not gendered and has never been gendered. Figures like Don Juan have existed for centuries; womanizers have existed for centuries and even millennia. The great Julius Caesar is widely regarded as a womanizer. The opposite to this is a female seductress, we typically think of femme fatales like Cleopatra (tho not historically accurate), and Black Widow. Who tf told you that men were neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:16 PM
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This already happens irl, and if you are arguing that accusing someone of cheating should be treated like some grand crime, then lock up all the women who go through their boyfriend's/husband's phones too. These are such inconsequential actions; realistically if a man doubts the paternity of his child, he is not going to be shouting this from the top of the world. He is going to handle it discreetly until there is proof. Simply asking for a paternity test or getting it behind your spouse's back …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:08 PM
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I mean you cannot. You can't and it's not your job to. They are fundamentally different from you because they are allosexual and alloromantic men. Asking why allosexual people cannot just turn that off is like asking hetero people why they can't just be gay. It's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:38 PM
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I honestly don't understand why there are so many strategies for men to get a date and attract women. Because they want to date and attract women, lol. They have normal attraction to the opposite sex and feel the urge to partner with them. This subreddit is for debating heterosexual dating/attraction and gender dynamics; if this is not you, why are you here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:31 PM
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Yeah seriously, the guy can get a DNA test all on his own, and there is no reason to punish men who do this. Calling for divorce and zero custody as a "punishment" is not accurate. It could be a consequence and women should consider it an option, but like, a criminal penalty? How would the logistics of this even work?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:01 PM
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I will change this question to Q4RP since you are clearly looking for a "discussion" in where your opinion is validated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:47 PM
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Yeh well they are retards so what they think holds absolutely zero weight to me. They are like cockroaches or something, barely even human. The idea that the state can override a married couple's feelings and enforce things like divorce and zero custody as a punishment is a silly idea. Some couples may not want to be divorced at all or will value a two-parent household more than a false paternity accusation, so these things are not fitting criminal penalties if you cannot enforce it across the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:21 PM
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Yeah, sure, I'm not saying you cannot do this. I'm saying you cannot control people finding that weird. It's like women who are not actually interested in some hobby spaces but engage with them in order to get male attention. It's perceived as cringey.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:12 PM
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Who cares that he asked for a paternity test, there should be no criminal penalty for this. Fine him for the measly cost of a DNA test if you want. If his wife was smart, she'd divorce him and let him pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:08 PM
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I mean, in general you should be joining hobby groups BECAUSE you yourself enjoy that hobby or want to participate in that hobby. That's really the only reason anyone should ever join a hobby meetup. So if that prerequisite is not met, any other reason—including wanting to ask women out—will be perceived as odd, maybe even disruptive or desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:54 PM
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If a guy is joining hobby meetups because he enjoys them and thinks it will be a good chance to meet women, isn't that him just living his life? Unless you mean that men are joining hobby meetups when they have no actual interest in the hobby, and are there just to hit on women, then yes that will be seen as weird. Men also do not take kindly to women invading their hobbies just for male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:43 PM
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I hope everything goes well!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:41 PM
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Yeah girl it was bad, LOL. Like the first date was her flying to his country unannounced to surprise him, she was making plans living in his country for 3 months and then her country for 3 months. They had started talking on July 6, so only 8 days ago. Just a whole mess. 😭
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/26 02:08 PM
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You will have to wait some time either way, so you have to manage your anxiety anyway. “My man needs to propose faster so that my emotions are regulated and I can behave femininely” is not a good thing to say about the ability to manage yourself. A man who wants to propose will do it even if you’ve moved in, even if he is paying the vast majority of the bills. If he doesn’t follow through, it is up to you to leave a relationship if you feel like a man is stringing you along.
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/26 01:34 PM
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I agree, get rid of those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:08 PM
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You both agree on a regular cadence of cleaning and tidying up? Like have none of you ever lived with a partner or what? I do almost all the cleaning in my house, but we talked about what cadence makes sense for our house given that there is a cat and a dog who live here. Even if it’s not “dirty,” the house gets cleaned every weekend to reduce allergens and keep the space tidy. It also reduces friction between us when we have a clean home. The things I do not want to do are paid for by my fiancé…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:49 PM
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Why would you wait for things to get dirty instead of doing regular maintenance? Like somehow men can understand the concept of regular maintenance on cleaning and detailing his vehicle, but not his house? If I waited for things to be visibly dirty before cleaning my house, everyone who steps foot beyond its doors will be sneezing from dog and cat fur/dander. That’s disgusting and now it takes longer to clean. But hey, I tell women to either find a man who is willing to clean, or will pay for so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:33 PM
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“Men” collectively do not have low standards—the ones who have standards are thriving and in happy marriages. But you should be honest. Men with low standards don’t find meaning and purpose in being used. They find meaning in getting a crumb of pussy. They have low standards BECAUSE they view relationships as an easy means to sex. So that is all they care about. If they cared about more, they’d have higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:11 PM
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You are 37 years old and decided to engage in a full blown relationship with a 19 year-old teenager after only 1-2 days of talking? (As you made it official on the second day). Respectfully, I think the cultural differences are the least of your worries here.
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/26 04:44 AM
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Even without the need to save up, he may need time for other reasons. A busy time with work, wanting to buy a marital home around the time he proposes, planning how he will propose, maybe something else? Proposals are not a light decision for a man. What is the risk you are afraid of?
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/26 04:39 AM
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I don’t think women are necessarily emotionally self-reliant; it’s that we form closer support networks than men do. So we are not actually emotionally alone. We just regulate romantic loneliness better due to that support network. And resilient… I don’t know. Women attempt suicide at a rate like double that of men or something like that. That is not really resilience to me. However I do think women just do not feel the weight of romantic singleness as much as men. When I was single for 4 years …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:51 AM
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Come over for dinner anytime bb 🙂‍↕️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:16 AM
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Thank you!!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:05 AM
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Your dinner 🙂‍↕️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:00 AM
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Dinner mogged: salad with chicken, shakshuka and scratch made French bread <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:58 AM
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No no no you don't understand, some rando who has never dated men before KNOWS what kinds of men women should partner with. (It's him, he wants women to lower their standards to fuck him)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:17 PM
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He gave you a timeline already. What do you think will happen if you rush him? If you press the issue in order to force him, it will come off like nagging. If being engaged is important to you before moving in, then tell him that. But don't phrase it like, "Propose earlier because that's the only way I'll move in with you." If he is as good of a leader as you say he is, he will follow through with his timeline to propose to you. Consider that he may want time to make it special for you. Either s…
/r/RedPillWomen13/07/26 09:38 PM
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That is the nature of female hypergamy. “MY man is the king of the world and all other man are icky gross and can fuck off.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:55 PM
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Interesting that the OP has not replied to this lol. And you are correct, it was what he said initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:54 PM
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I live in the American South; this is one of the most heavily obese places in the United States lol. Seeing obese men even throughout high school and into adulthood is not uncommon. Weight is just not something that is a hard stop on what is attractive or not to me. Attractiveness is subjective and I am going to state my opinion when the OP calls this man "handsome" is if it proves anything. It's a debate subreddit. The other women in this thread are calling him average. Even the other men in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:35 PM
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Yeah girl me too LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:26 PM
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There is some kind of emo/scene girl to girly-girl pipeline. I cannot prove it exists, but I knOW IT’S THERE.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:11 PM
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I find it interesting how generational knowledge of male nature has all but disappeared. 10+ years ago on RPW, it was known that men wanted to cheat. Even if he didn't follow through, he wanted to. Of course women still wanted a man who wouldn't cheat, but it was not foreign knowledge that given the opportunity to fuck beautiful young women, men desired to cheat. And then we have young men today who will justify gooning for hours at porn, having his fill of sexual variety even while partnered, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:54 PM
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He is unattractive to me. I never said I don’t find anyone unattractive. This one just is. I’ve found like 300 lbs obese men attractive and had crushes on them. This guy is just unattractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:47 PM
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He is just not my type, I cannot put my finger on it, he is just unattractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:59 PM
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It’s so bad that it comes full circle to being good. Like it’s unintentional comedy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:19 PM
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This subreddit started in 2013 as a debate subreddit between red v. blue pill ideology —“red pill” here being the evo-psych attraction dynamics and dating prescriptions found in r/TheRedPill. The pill tag is required so as to prevent circle jerking from PPD members who are not part of the target group; it would defeat the purpose of “Question For Red Pill” if all the top independent comments were from Blue Pillers or Pink Pillers or what have you. Over time this subreddit has blended into a gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:40 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:30 PM
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I find the man in that video immensely unattractive. I slept with my fiancé on our second or third date or something like that, he is not tall or muscular but very attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:09 PM
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The reason I think it is, is because I have never in my life encountered this on the internet until the last few years — even when the red pill term “AWALT” was talked about, everyone knew it did not mean literally every single woman who has ever lived in history “was like that.” We are talking about broad patterns that apply to female behavior, in where it is reasonable and expected to assume there are outliers and exceptions. And then the ESL and autistic people came along and talking about ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:51 PM
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Okay then let me edit this since I have to account for the absurd levels of autistic literalism in this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:27 PM
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No one is ever talking in absolutes, even your OP can be negated by saying there is existence of women who are not given leeway, or men who are given more leeway for jealousy, particularly if they’re Muslim or non-Western or fundamentalist Christian or some shit. So now your OP is wrong, isn’t it? The fact of the matter is that angry jealous men are viewed as violent because they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:23 PM
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Men do this at extraordinary rates higher than women do. Women will destroy the PC or Xbox but men just get to beating and killing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:19 PM
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Because when women get jealous the typical worst they do is key his car or pop the tires. The worst men typically do when jealous is abuse and homicide. Men do this at much higher rates than women since they are much more violent than women, and this will be viewed with more suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:17 PM
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Well if you cannot figure it out, hope is lost for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:45 PM
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Female preference varies across the board too. Lots non muscular guys get chosen, lots of guys under 6ft get chosen. Also the point from the OP is that the matchups are unrealistic, and they’re not. Even you agree they’re realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:45 PM
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I think it is disgusting for men to treat women like sex dispensers and shows how very little interest they actually have in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:09 PM
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Because I am describing him for the incels here reading who will inevitably ask me how tall he was to verify that he was a “beta.” This is not the first time I’ve told this story; I’ve been around on this subreddit for 4, almost 5, years. Edit: also in English, order of successive adjectives follows a rule where size is listed first, native English speakers do this intuitively.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:06 PM
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This is what I was responding to which is why your point is confusing and should be better articulated in your OP: > She's done experimenting, or relying on vibes or "giving a guy a chance", she either wants casual sex with a top tier guy or a relationship with a stable oofy doofy or beta buxxer. Women say this themselves in a roundabout way with "women are embarrassed about the loser they dated when they were 19" I did not give that guy a chance, I found him cute as I was the one who pursued hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:01 PM
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Your argument is AFBB — whereas I started off dating “betas” and being interested in depressed incel types, and ended up partnering with more attractive and better quality men as I got older. That is the opposite of AFBB.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:36 PM
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I was embarrassed by the loser I was dating at 19 because he was a short League of Legends playing lonely guy who cheated on me the first chance he got despite being a religious Catholic man who supported us waiting until marriage lol. I did a reverse beta buxx?? Had progressively hotter and better quality men as dates/LTRs until I found my husband lol. The joys of raising standards. Anyway you are right but for the wrong reasons. As you get older past average first time marriage age, the pool o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:29 PM
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I think some themes between men and women have clear differences. Ravishment aka “rape fantasy” from some hot guy is not the same fantasy as men watching schoolgirl loli hentai. I also think the video format of men’s porn is questionable. But if men were to read step-whatever manga or erotica, that’s whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:08 PM
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Lol these are bad examples as lots of gym guys love fat women to the point that it’s a stereotype, and same with tall men who like short women. What are you gonna do? Tell those men they can’t be interested in those women anymore? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:59 PM
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Most men lack traits that would make them good husbands and fathers. I find a large chunk of men physically attractive (most of them could be sexually attractive to me), but they have poor life competency. On top of this, a lot of men are too showy to the point they lack substance, and it becomes obvious they’re trying to impress me by treating me like every other woman, rather than earnestly getting to know me. They are also sex obsessed to the point where they are willing to choose a woman the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:00 AM
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I literally feel no sexual attraction to contextless naked men. Zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:36 AM
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My standards got higher as I grew older.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:34 AM
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“Sole provider” lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:55 AM
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You understand this topic is “sole provider” correct? LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:41 AM
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70/30 is not a provider lol, you are splitting bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:32 AM
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Okay let me know when you are able to read information like “most couples split bills and most households are dual income”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:27 AM
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The woman who posted it was not even the woman on the date with the man. So there is actually no rejection handling going on here. It was her best friend who answered someone’s question of why she no longer chooses to date lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:24 AM
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Right so you admit that men innately have poor morals and lie. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:22 AM
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We will agree to disagree. I think the most men are porn addicted and incapable of conducting themselves in an LTR. They do not value women except for sex, and we know this due to men admonishing women for wanting to wait to have sex—they project male sexuality onto women and treat women as broken for not having indiscriminate male sexual behavior. The only reason I am with a man is because my parents taught me to look for high quality men all my life and never settle for a man who tells me he e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:21 AM
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“My” middle class social circles. Middle class is the modifier here. I am taking about my social circles. Verifiably most women do not expect to be kept women because most women are working, and most couples split bills lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:16 AM
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No, it’s because men are not actually interested in women, they are interested in a hole to fuck and are willing to lie to get it. Even the men who are incels admit they want to be “Chad” so they can do this. Of course I do think there are good men, but they are far and few between. I do not think most men are good for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:11 AM
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Which would make him a liar, and the whole reason why the woman posted it saying she does not see men are worth dating. The woman who posted it was not even the one on the date, it was her best friend who said, “this is why I no longer date.” Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:06 AM
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That is just proving my point that men do not care about dating, they care about hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:55 PM
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Most women in the west do not expect providers, full stop. I never said my salary was normal. I said women—middle class and up—not expecting providers was normal. Rewind and read better next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:51 PM
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They didn’t even hook up, he took her on a date and said he had a great time on the date. And then said he expects her to fuck him. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:49 PM
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Bro I literally have the audio pulled up and he said he had a great time on the first date LMAO what are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:46 PM
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He was not honest. If her were honest, he’d have said “I expect early sex” before any dates. But men do not do this and we all know why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:57 PM
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Okay so why did he not relay that he expects her to fuck right when they started talking? It’s because men know if they are honest, women will not agree to go on a date with them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:55 PM
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I do not EXPECT that men pay for a date, smart one, I said I like when they do so. I cook 100% of the meals in my household, do most of the cleaning, and give my fiancé sloppy toppy and nasty sex whenever he wants it, so there is no hypocrisy going on here. Just you being mad and sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:51 PM
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I am a woman who likes to fuck early, and the voice message was the single most autistic thing I’ve ever listened to in my life, it’s well beyond sloppy. He literally says, “What would be the point in me coming over if we’re not going to fuck?” The problem here is not the rejection. I’ve had lots of guys reject me. The woman who posted it )who was not the woman involved with the man, btw, it was her best friend) said “This is why I don’t date anymore”—making a statement that men in 2026 view dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:50 PM
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Very few women expect to be kept women and have sole providers. That is some fantasy that has not existed in the West for the last 50 years. Even my Gen X parents who come from a more traditional leaning third world country split the bills, and my father was never a sole provider. Women who expect phone bills, car notes, rent, insurance, utilities and subscriptions paid for are low rent gold diggers. You are talking about poors. I make 140k/yr and have never in my life expected a man to pay for …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:18 PM
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Here is what the Red Pill says about men: Male Sexual Nature, Red Pill Women Male ephebephiliac polygyny--A mouthful. Let's unpack it. If Men existed in a universe where fully formed, hot 16-18 year old girls with long, silky hair and .7 hip-waist ratios grew out of the ground without agency, wants, needs and desires of their own and without families to care for and protect them, men would kill each other to collect as many of them as possible--replacing them with new ones as the older ones cycl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:28 PM
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Him being a combat veteran in Iraq is not really the bad part here, it's that he got a Nazi tattoo and is an alleged rapist and abuser. No one is forcing you to stay the way you are. Go and get a yourself a Hitler tattoo, go out and rape women, and then date. Report back on your findings (preferably to the police as well!).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:16 PM
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I have a fiancé so of course I will be bothered by other men making romantic and sexual advances toward me. My man is the king of the world and most other men are ants compared to him. So this feeling is not a general feeling toward "men" — it's a feeling toward men who are not my man or generally not part of my family and close social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:52 PM
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I re-read the bottom half and now I am realizing you are just a thinly veiled racist LMAOO.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:37 PM
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I do not prefer "western men" — that group is too broad and encompasses some retard in rural Alabama who waves Confederate flags and hates people like me, as well as perfectly fine men that I associate with in my life who are wonderful individuals. The group of men I prefer are specifically men who treat women well and value family, community, and worldliness. So this can be some western men, and this can also be some non-western men (as I am also from a non-western country). Men 100% want women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:19 PM
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Comparing Western men to men that have never existed now or in the past in their behaviour or otherwise. You have answered your own thread within your post. From the post that inspire this one, the discussion was not that women don't like western men, it's that wishing to see changes in western society that reduce misogyny (if you believe in that) has nothing to do with preferring non-western men over western. People are largely concerned with what happens in their own backyard, so of course wes…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:05 PM
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“Nice Girl” already has a definition and it is similar to the male version; a woman who acts nice because she thinks it will lead to a date/relationship, and then gets mad when it doesn’t. There is a whole subreddit dedicated to them already. What you are talking about is a bait and switch, not a Nice Girl. I suspect this is some sort of ESL mistake or lack of knowledge. And once she has done it she stops knowing her partner now can't leave her. Huh? Men can divorce their wives. In fact it is ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:03 PM
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These feelings are not contradictory, that a woman is REALLY into her bf/husband, and bothered by every other man. I mean that’s what red pill hypergamy is — it’s seeing your man as the best and all the other men can fuck off. In fact, men even PREFER that his woman feels this way. There is no good that will come from a woman enjoying all men’s advances. Generally men want to see you respect him, your family, your shared community, and all other men can fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:54 PM
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Moving the goal posts and personal attacks! Sshhh, I believe u honey it’s okay,
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:42 PM
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One of my coworkers recently came out as mtf trans and we all (including their wife and teenage children) view this as unintentional. The couple in the post remaining amicable is the best case scenario for their everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:36 PM
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That’s a strawman of my position and does not dignify and sort of real response. If you’ll read back, I told you that A) there is already a way for men to disestablish paternity, and B) Men can already sue in civil court for paternity fraud, but must actually prove it was fraud. As in intentional concealment of paternity for financial gain. Assigning fault was never something I argued, that is some made up argument in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:47 AM
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Okay well that is outside the scope of this debate. I don’t really care why the time limitations exist, only that there IS a way to disestablish paternity or seek justice for rape. And there are. You are free to obtain your JD and PhD tho, and start a new venture into family law practice to understand why these time limitations are in place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:42 AM
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Sure. But you are arguing that men should be able to sue, but they already can. You are arguing that they should be able to walk away, and there is already a way for them to do this. You arguing using a woman who does not come forward within the statute of limitations for rape does not change my mind. She also needs to operate within that time span if she wants something to be done about it. It’s sad if she doesn’t come forward, but she had the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:27 AM
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They don’t have to be unaware when the option is right there in front of them. Again, you are telling me that men care this much but do not want to get the paternity test done themselves? Also a man can already sue in civil court for financial and emotional damages for paternity fraud. He will have to prove the mothers knowingly concealed the child’s true paternity from him in order to commit fraud. Men have the knowledge to paternity test the moment they start cumming in women’s holes. There is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:19 AM
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There is virtually nothing stopping him from doing it the day after that baby is born. You are telling me that men are so concerned about paternity but cannot even muster up the motivation to get a DNA test done within the first 5 years of a child’s life? (Which is when most of the time windows end). The DNA test will have to happen anyway to prove he’s not the father. These men who are so concerned about paternity just don’t care enough to test early or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:10 AM
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You told a woman to kill herself (two of them actually) because her husband was tall. No one should take you seriously on this subreddit. You will end up deleting this post anyway like you delete all your other posts. I find it ironic that you are asking whywomen have negative opinions of men, and in that survey you linked, one of the given reasons was that those women felt men felt the same way about them. And here you are, telling women to kill themselves, and you are wondering why a third of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:05 AM
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Married men can already disestablish paternity. Like the day that baby is born, the father can get a DNA test done by himself and send it off. If the baby is yours, take that secret to your grave. If it’s not, get a lawyer and you do not have to pay child support. Like… there is already a way out… Unmarried fathers don’t need to do this, as they have no paternity obligations unless the mother goes through the court to get a DNA test in order to establish paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:59 AM
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Women pointing out the existence of misogyny is not hating men. Why do you hate women? You tell everyone that you think women should be brought under Islamic rule because Muslims control their women, and you have wished death upon multiple women for having husbands who are taller than them. Answer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:32 AM
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Yes? Go on FetLife and shit, there are lots of uggos who find each other sexually attractive and have freaky sex. Older men going for gold diggers know this is a transaction. This “coworker” suddenly turning into “boss” makes this 100000% more believable, I believe u.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:22 AM
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I 100% believe your beautiful young coworker has named this man in her phone as “shortlet” rather than just ignoring him as most young women do. This description is all very realistic, obviously. Yes, the reward for rich undesirable men is casual relationships with gold diggers; the exchange is entirely transactional and they know what it is the other wants. If they are 2 consenting adults, no one should care what these people do. Alternatively maybe they are lucky to date a woman while young. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:15 AM
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No, I am talking about this retarded notion that only the top 1% men can inspire true desire. The subreddit has the definition of black pill which is not just that “looks matter the most”; I will not even engage in this conversation with someone who does not know the history of black pill. It is looks fatalism, genetic determinism, and the OP’s rhetoric falls within as per subreddit definition and rules which has been around since 2013.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:05 AM
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Yes it is, I am correct. It’s just retarded lookism shit. I as around when the first black pill spaces popped up on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:59 AM
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Men are not attracted to wealth, it’s that (certain) men choose long term partners pragmatically based on what the best fit is for him. The type of men who choose women in a higher social or socioeconomic class typically belong to those classes themselves, and they choose spouses with social and educational capital—women who reflect well on him in his social and professional circles. The men who do not see this are simply not in a high enough class. For that matter, women are not “attracted” to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:54 AM
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It’s not sexually attractive. But I looked for a man in my socioeconomic group. I wanted a husband who shared my financial goals, money sense and habits, and desire for financial security. Additionally we are both Type A people when it comes to finances, so generally we wanted a setup where only one of our incomes could sustain the monthly expenses, in case anything happened to either of us. Sickness, freak accident, something bad during child birth, etc. Why is this news to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:23 AM
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He’s believes in black pill shit, it’s just some guy who believes that women are only sexually attracted to Chads, the 1% or whatever he believes. It’s black pilled baby brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:08 AM
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Your claim is that most women do not enjoy sex, even with their partners, because you think if she really desired him then she would have had sex with him just because, no other bond needed. What you are complaining about is that most women are not indiscriminate in our sexual behavior, and you are projecting male sexuality onto us because that’s what YOU would do; you’d have sex just because and not require any other bond to act on your sexual desire. Male sexuality is not the default, and if I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:03 AM
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This is one of the most severely undersocialized possibly autistic things I’ve ever read on this subreddit. Enjoying the act of sex with someone does not mean you are willing to have sex with anyone and everyone just because. “Women don’t like sex because they’ve never given me sex” ahh post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:37 PM
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Unnecessary gendered claim. Both sexes select for some “shallow” traits because they want qualities in a partner that are attractive, duh. This is a personal problem if you (general) cannot find a man who values you for non-shallow traits. One common denominator there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:50 PM
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This is not a question for men. You are ranting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:46 PM
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I knew I wanted to be someone's wife as early as, like, 19 years old. Being a mom was much more in the air. I thought having kids would be nice but it didn't feel like some burning need, so I'd always thought that if I didn't have kids, things would still be okay. Then I turned 27 and I started to get really intense baby fever, and I knew I would not be able to have a life without children. I don't think this is anything like "seeing the light." I think what we want is influenced by the stage of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:11 PM
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Please give me honeymoon location recommendations!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:55 PM
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This will just balance out to "average." I took the OP meaning "below average" to mean holistically, since looks posts are not allowed on the main sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:23 PM
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I would not classify this as below average, holistically a man with decent financial resources will balance out to being average. Unless you and the OP are speaking just about looks in reference to "below average."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:20 PM
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Plenty of average men have hookups and happy relationships in their home countries if they want it. Below average men do not even have the funds to be passport broing lol. Like true bottom tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:07 PM
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I know like how the fuck does that make sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:44 PM
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Couples in the west are paired up like this too. You will find a lot of average couples, even young ones, just out and about. You are not even living in the west so you wouldn’t know. My guy. You are from INDIA and live in INDIA. What would you know about western dating? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:34 PM
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I think he cannot be a ‘cel because the other chick is into him. He’s a Nice Guy with oneitis. That being said, there was some discussion last week about whether men who previously had gfs or even wives can be ‘cels, and the Daily Thread consensus was yes. And I have also had crushes in the past on men who considered themselves incels. So female interest is, imo, sometimes not a good indicator of a what makes a ‘cel. But I still don’t think the main character is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:37 PM
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They don’t need to be rewarded with sex. It’s that sex is the way these men (and some women tbh) feel loved and wanted and cared for. When my fiancé and I do not have sex, I am more easily irritable and short and snippy. It’s not that I am punishing him, it’s just some natural response kind of like when I am tired or exhausted or stressed. This is not me forcing him to have sex. I would like if we have sex, and I’m happier with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:45 AM
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No, no at all. A woman who is not romanced and dated also often is grumpy and distant. If these women are not romanced and taken out on dates, does that mean they care more about dates and being payed for more than emotional connection? Of course not. It means this is the method through which they feel emotional connection, and the same is true of men (and women) who feel love through sex. A lot of women, for whatever reason, are unable or unwilling to understand that sex and love and attraction…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:36 AM
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Okay. I mean, this is not my experience in dating men. I also view sex as a form of emotional maintenance. A man rejecting sex constantly would also make me feel unloved and unattractive. But if that is your experience, you are welcome to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:13 AM
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I am having chicken fajita bowls!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:56 PM
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Men here think I am the alt account of like 2 different users, and they oscillate between thinking I hate men and that I am a pick-me lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:56 PM
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I have changed your post flair to Debate, since you are arguing an affirmative. I said this on another thread a couple weeks ago, but I think it’s reasonable for a person to “expect” sex in a relationship in the same way that one would “expect” emotional connection and romantic maintenance. Dates, quality time and such. Would you frame this as women expecting service from men? In my experience men “behave” better and are more open to emotional connection when they are getting regular sex. They’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:01 PM
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You did not factually recount what happened. You are interpreting this through your lens of what you think happened. But okay. Here are the moderator logs. Remember that you are the one who asked for this. July 6, 2026 - "Misaligned Flair and Title" where you were told to repost as Debate, not a Discussion. June 6, 2026 - "Misaligned Flair and Title" where you are arguing that women are mean to men, so you were told that leading questions are not appropriate to post for Q4X, and to repost as a D…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:10 PM
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Your posts do not get removed for being biased, and I can bring forward the moderator logs of your rejected posts if you would like public proof. You did include your opinion. Right here: She obviously feels like she is in the right. Her happiness is more important than the vows they took [...] Meanwhile, I think it is safe to assume that she probably was a huge proponent of them getting married. And she is putting the most emphasis on her happiness - not anyone else's. You left in snippets of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:20 PM
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Yes I watched the whole thing—the OP chose not to include that vital information because he knew it would make the woman's actions seem justified (which they are). A marriage only works if both parties care about the marriage. A man who is hiding bills, not communicating finances, and getting the family car repossessed is not a man who cares about a marriage. He does not care for his family. He is actively sinking the ship and expects his wife to go down with him. And then her soon-to-be ex has …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:36 PM
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I do not even perceive you as a functional human being, so no, there is no attention to get from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:29 PM
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I was not talking to you. I was making an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:27 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen a more unintelligent string of responses before, or lack of understanding over the definition of "parent" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:23 PM
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People who don't eat vegetables, or people who lose interest at it? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:20 PM
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It is, in my opinion, that women in happy marriages are happier than single women, but both these groups are happier than women in poor marriages. I don’t think it’s shocking that women are unhappy after divorce—I mean, you are mourning the loss of a relationship. Over time, these feelings stabilize into being happy, self-sufficient and self-reliant. Typically it is divorced men who seek to remarry more than divorced women, so I don’t think divorced women are also unhappy without a partner long …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:05 PM
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My fiancé has always wanted to get married (within his life). He would not start a family without it, and neither would I, but mostly a marriage is deeply meaningful to the both of us. Like, actively choosing to honor each other and all we have accomplished together. A marriage for us is not really “getting what we want from each other” as if it were a utility. Re: making it legal, there are some benefits there about naming each other next of kin, making each other your beneficiary of inheritanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:55 PM
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I love mutual flirting and mutual love bombing, lol. I want physical escalation from his side because men taking initiative and being assertive makes him (more) desirable to me. If I lose interest in a man, it could be for any number of reasons. Maybe he didn’t escalate, maybe he wasn’t fun to talk to, maybe I discovered some incompatible value. I once had a guy tell me he does not eat any vegetables outside of aromatics (onion, garlic), and it made me lose interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:48 PM
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OP, you must participate in your own debate thread otherwise it will be removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:16 PM
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OP, you must engage in your own debate thread as per debate thread rules. Failing to do so will get your thread removed. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:56 AM
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I think we are both around average looking people who make above average income! (Though obviously I think he’s very handsome and would not have gotten with him otherwise, and likewise he would not have started dating me if he didn’t think I was attractive). How I behave is more about my philosophy on relationships. I don’t subscribe to the idea of 50/50; I don’t think it exists. I do my best to make life easier for my partner and make him happy, and if I have picked well (which I believe I did)…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:05 AM
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I work from home, he goes into the office. He keeps the house tidy and he’s not messy, but because I am the one at home, it just makes sense for me to do things like laundry and cooking food and cleaning the lizard habitat and whatever else. I also don’t think it’s fair if he comes home from work and the commute home, and I demand the he makes dinner out of some weird conviction to keep things strictly 50/50 even though he needs the time to decompress and I do not. That’s not how I prefer to beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:00 AM
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We work the same hours per week, we both work overtime as needed as we both work in tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:22 AM
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Okay. So then you don't want us to discuss this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:13 AM
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I will ask the other moderators what they think of this situation. We will have to vote on this as we do not have proof of harassment or witch hunting; we would have to discuss if this falls within subreddit definition of a witch hunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:06 AM
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Where is the campaign to harass? You linked a comment in which a user said they think you are an alt account. People tell me all the time they think I am a well known user's alt account. Do you consider this harassment? I gave you the dates that we have of Mod Mail messages from you. Any messages outside of those were not received, which I have repeated three times now, and you are not understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:39 PM
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You are only saying this because you are not red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:33 PM
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We cannot see any messages you have sent to Mod Mail. They are not showing up. We both told you this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:24 PM
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I am telling you that we received nothing. The only messages in Mod Mail from you are dated May 30, Feb 8, Feb Feb 4, Feb 3, three within January '26, and the rest are from 2025 and prior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:09 PM
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No, I need to see the supposed interaction you had in in Mod Mail because as it stands, there is no record of you sending these messages at all. It goes May 30, and the listed message before this is Feb 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:48 PM
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I actually have no idea what you are talking about. Sometimes reports sit in the queue for 1-3 days because we are busy. That is not "protection"; it means we are busy. Until I see the whole exchange and what happened there, I cannot even agree or disagree with you. What date did this happen? If you sent that message after May 30, we did not see it because it does not exist in the Mod Mail system.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:31 PM
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There are multiple moderators and largely we follow the same guidelines. However as I was not the moderator who dealt with that issue (of the previous screenshot on May 30), I do not know the details here. I do not let users know when others have been banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:16 PM
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Simply, it is not our policy to disclose when other users have or have not been moderated. There is nothing to answer there because it does not concern you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:04 PM
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I do not know what is going on here to be honest — my Mod Mail message to the RPW sub also disappeared for them / appeared not to be sent, so this is likely some internal Reddit issue. As I said before, we have no recent messages from you; the last one we received was May 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:56 PM
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What date did you send this? I am searching your username in Mod Mail, and the last message we have from you is May 30. This message does not exist for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:42 PM
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Thank you! I feel very lucky in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:54 PM
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I am like your wife — between my fiancé and me, I do all the cooking and a majority of the cleaning because I do it better and faster. To me this just makes sense. There is no point in making us both suffer through 3 hours of waiting to have dinner (lol), when I can get it done in half the time or even less. I mean that's just the reality of living with someone, right, you pick and assign responsibilities based on what you're good at. We are both high earners, though he makes more than I do, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:55 PM
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Because, from my observations, the standards of what makes a good wife/mother are often higher than what makes a good husband/father. In the grand scheme of things, I think more is expected of wives and mothers, both in marriage and if they are co-parenting and divorced. See: the thread below this one about how women see single dads, in where the OP considers himself a single dad because he has biweekly weekend visitation, but when suggested that he would pair better with single mothers, he goes…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:32 PM
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Please share some examples? Also if it irritates you or you find it difficult that your girlfriend doesn't know how to communicate, that seems like a problem with girlfriend choice rather than "women."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:09 PM
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I am not jealous of men's dating life, I am jealous of their married and family life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:54 PM
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Okay so find it hard to believe, it doesn’t erase my experiences. Men always talk about how they value young and beautiful women and that ugly women are only good for pump and dump. Even the incels here say that. So that is straight from men, backed up by men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:33 PM
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I literally told you I was rejected by obese like 300lbs men lol. You know my life better than me or what? Date like I wanted = I wanted to date, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:30 PM
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Lmaooo try again. When I was fat and ugly, zero men wanted to date me. And then when I got my glow up, suddenly even the obese men who rejected me before wanted to take me out. There’s no “chad chasing” going on—that’s a retarded fantasy delusion made up by men on this subreddit to insult women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:22 PM
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Men think about Chad and his dick way more than women do, looool. Kinda makes you question if there’s some repression happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:15 PM
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Lol so then he’s not a “single dad.” He’s a babysitter weekend dad (every other weekend too) which is somehow worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:07 PM
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Men treat women like we are dysfunctional because we do not have male type sexuality, and then whine and cry about not getting attention. Women are nowhere near as indiscriminate in our sexual behavior as men. Yet men want women to act like men with regard to sex, and it’s completely delusional. It comes off like men do not respect women as people who are different from them, and men fundamentally do not like anything about women except for the fact that he wants to cum inside her holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:06 PM
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Even despite the coddling, at some point you need to take accountability for your success in life. I had helicopter parents who undersocialized me, and they told me a nice man would come along and love me no matter what I looked like (LOL). I fixed the stuff so I could have a normal life and date like I wanted to. I cannot even imagine being some of these men who believe their parents when they said shit like that, like at some point you really have to question their life analytical skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:45 PM
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The background of a person tells you what cultural milieu and knowledge base they come from, which is relevant to understanding their argument, and whether they are making bad faith arguments (which is often).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:26 PM
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Then you’re an exception lol, that doesn’t make it the rule. I had to explain to five billion bitchless childless men on the last paternity thread that no unmarried father is “put on a birth certificate” and that the mother cannot go through the legal system to get child support from him without a DNA test to establish paternity. Like I said, it is never married men with kids who scream into the void about how an unmarried woman is going to falsely list him as being the fake father LOL. It’s bun…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:31 PM
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Personally I would try to avoid dating a single dad. I would cut things off right when he told me has kids. I might make an exception IF the mother was no longer in the picture, like he was a widower or she was a deadbeat. Navigating the co-parent can sometimes be difficult as the new girlfriend, especially when the relationship gets more serious, and I don’t want to deal with that. I also don’t think I’m equipped to handle that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:24 PM
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Because when I press, they tell me LMAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:16 PM
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It’s always chronically single, sexless, bitchless, childless unmarried men who have the loudest takes on paternity and prenups, and the hilarious part is they they often do not know what they are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:26 AM
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I do not know if you know this, but a prenup still has to generally follow equitable split of assets according to your state. One party cannot say “I get everything and you get nothing” in a prenup; no judge will approve that. The prenup is just to say how assets and debt will be divided, saving time from to having to hash it out during divorce proceedings and making it longer. Prenups are also amended via postnups if the terms significantly change, like if one of you becomes very suddenly wealt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:33 PM
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Second
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:20 PM
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Men are like this, they demand full custody to pay less child support, but then they can NEVER handle the responsibility of being a parent lol. Bunch of bozos lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:14 PM
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Some of my preferences overlap. Like a man who is financially secure, competent, takes initiative, and is a leader. A lot of my sexual attraction to a man hinges on whether I can respect him (where respect = deeply value and admire). These traits are necessary for my respect and to see him as a competent man. The other traits like needing to be 6ft+ or being peak fitness, or high status in a room full of other men, or the ability to sleep with tons of women—don’t give a shit. Not even relevant t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:13 PM
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I know he means now, but I think the argument that he (and the OP) are repeating that history of marriage is about protection is silly. People got married well before communal property or equitable distribution split was the norm in divorce. Also I think they do not realize that a prenup does not mean one spouse can say, "I get everything in the event of divorce." No judge is going to approve that prenup; it still has to follow some "fair" split, and I'm not sure these dudes know this, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:55 PM
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Are u gonna delete this thread too, u do that a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:42 PM
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Inheritance can be made through writing wills through lawyers too. People who are unmarried do that and are able to give their wealth to specific person after their death. Inheritance without established family kinship are subject to exorbitant taxes. Why do u need the approval of government to tie your lives together tho Because the government is in charge of collecting census data and analyzing this lol? A government has a vested interest in the trends regarding its citizens. It is also to tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:34 PM
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What laws are you talking about? Even in the 17-1800s, divorce favored men because they owned most of the assets, and you left what you came in with. The legal requirement of having a marriage license was already well practiced at this time. Like, a marriage license was required even in colonial America. The concept of communal property or that marital assets should be split either equally or equitably was not a thing until the mid 20th century. Seriously, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:12 PM
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The institution of marriage involves the state because it's a declaration of what happens to your shit and who it goes to. This is seemingly what the OP is not understanding, and neither do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:55 PM
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People do not get into marriages thinking about divorce and protection the event of separation, lol. They get married because they are ready to tie their whole lives together and are thinking about making each other automatically next of kin. Marriage has always been about the legality of kinship and inheritance in the event of severe injury or death, and wanting your spouse (and children) to get this. The people who say that people get married out of protection have been married exactly zero (0…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:41 PM
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Speaking it out loud is seen as a bit strange, and women get the same reactions if they talk about how everything they do in life serves the goal of finding a man. I knew I was ready to be settled down by the time I was like 19 years old, and I always knew I wanted to be a mother. These were goals that I knew I wanted to achieve in life, but these were not even the main goals. They are equally weighted with things like my academic and professional pursuits, creative pursuits, and that's because …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:02 PM
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No, I am right. Males crave sexual variety and this is why they watch porn even while in monogamous relationships where they have complete access to one exclusive woman. Men are polygynous creatures. Everyone in the history of the world knows this. The male strategy is to impregnate as many women as possible to be sexually successful. It’s in direct opposition to female sexual imperative, which is to find one high quality male.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:57 PM
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No one who has ever interacted with men believes this. Even the red pill does not agree with this lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:49 PM
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Well the existence of male prostitutes disagrees with you, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:48 PM
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Ya I totally agree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:48 PM
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Women in Asia pay for male escorts. They give her the boyfriend experience. What you talking about are male prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:40 PM
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Yeah I dunno bro, my dad told me I could be a world famous superstar when they enrolled me in singing lessons at 8 years old lol. Obviously you are supposed to recognize when things are said to be platitudes rather than real advice. Anybody who cannot recognize this is socially stunted and like I said, probably retarded. Btw I chose a moderate lifestyle in where I am the homemaker on top of working LMFAO. My fiancé is just not a complete bozo and he’s so worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:00 PM
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I have sex because I get horny, and my man makes me horny. However I only think it’s worth having sex with my man. Because he’s mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:55 PM
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My dad told me growing up that I could be anything I wanted to be with hard work. I’d have to be completely retarded to actually believe that going into my teen years hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:43 PM
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Wide and fast access to porn, and you proved it by saying last 20 years lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:31 PM
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We have men who post on this sub every week who hate hookup culture but think women’s bodies belong to men because their brains are cooked from porn lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:28 PM
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I once asked a guy here who lied to him. I asked him if he noticed growing up that popular often pretty girls got interest from boys, and that popular often attractive boys got interest from girls. He said he noticed, that it’s a painfully aware experience growing up when you look at popular, attractive guys getting female attention, and you’re not that. So I asked him, if you noticed all that, who lied to you? It sure wasn’t “society.” He told me that his mom and grandma would tell him that any…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:25 PM
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Most of my sexual preferences were formed early before I ever had sex, in my late teen years, and I’m still into them now. Any filtering I did based on experience were experimental things that I was neutral to before but, after trying, I knew I did not like. These are very few though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:16 PM
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The sex is fun, non-committal, maybe she thought she wanted something casual but turns out she wanted more, maybe to the guy she’s not worth going exclusive for. Maybe she herself knew it wasn’t a good relationship to be in but was too passive to exit or fully commit. Lots of reasons. I don’t know for sure tho, I’ve never personally experienced this. I’ve only had LTRs and simps. And to be honest my friends in situationships had varying reasons for being in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:27 AM
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There are plenty of women who don’t want to be told what to do. If a woman tells you to stop trying to control her, then you should stop. Taking initiative also comes with levels. Picking date night is one thing. Picking clothes is another. Picking engagement ring is another. And setting household rules is yet another. Decisiveness is not the same as being controlling, which your OP seems to suggest are the same. Men should really rely on a combination of what turns that particular woman on and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:26 AM
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I’m enjoying it a lot! I loveee the design aspect. Colors are dusty pink, peach, powder blue, and sage green!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:31 AM
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Indoor/outdoor garden wedding, early summer next year! Vintage, romantic, muted pastels.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:31 AM
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The evenings are for my second full time job: planning my wedding 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:44 PM
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You are arguing that women are not compassionate toward the average Joe, but that men are compassionate toward the average woman, but you are not even specifying what empathy toward strangers looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:58 PM
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Men literally complain when their fave female video game character no longer looks fuckable, they complain about their coworkers, bosses, not getting promoted, they even complain about their own wives to other males ("ball and chain"). On top of this, males have notoriously worse emotional regulation. We are talking about the sex that starts riots and fires when their favorite sports team wins OR loses, the sex that kills his whole family when he is unhappy in life, the sex that the red pill cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:56 PM
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I don't even give compassion to the average woman with whom I share no relation, friendship, or kinship. I give some sort of social sympathy to everyone when I think they're in sad circumstances, and I give charitable donations to causes that I feel strongly about, including ones that affect mainly men, but I am not personally invested in their issues. What level of empathy do you think is appropriate for strangers to give each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:49 PM
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The OP is asserting that women ARE a monolith and so far every male in this thread is just agreeing with me that women are, in fact, not a monolith because you all see the differences. Including you. So thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:32 PM
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Men just complain about different shit. Look at this sub, it's a whole subreddit built around male complaints of their sexlessness and lack of hole. Male complaining aside, emotional intelligence is not about complaining lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:30 PM
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I am not being disingenuous. Male competence is a known factor in women's sexual attraction. Female responsive desire is a known factor in how women's sexuality operates. If you want a woman that cooks well, does that mean you should also cook well? If you want a woman with at least 34DD tits, does that mean you should also have 34DD tits? Men and women are not held to the same standard because male and female sexual attraction work differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:19 PM
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I think I may get a new cat soon, ash 🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:40 PM
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You should reread what I wrote. I am not arguing that women don't find height attractive. Ironically you are the exact audience that is unable to see the nuance in this. I am not going to continue litigating height because this is not the looks thread, nor is it the main topic of this debate post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:37 PM
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Yes! My brother is a lot younger than me and feels protective over me. He was the first in my family to be told when my fiancé started making the rounds of sharing the proposal plan/asking for blessings, and my brother gave him a whole speech about treating me right lmao. But I'm the same as you, I feel very protective over him and look out for his emotional and physical well being. I often feel like I don't want him to go through the same struggles I did, so I help out where I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:31 PM
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I have the day off work so the PPD jesters need to dance some more!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:19 PM
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Acne scarring does not look like freckles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:07 PM
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That's not what freckles are lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:03 PM
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I use "unpaid domestic labor" as a response to men saying women do not contribute anything financially to a marriage when she a SAHM, therefore she deserves nothing in a divorce. Like, they think a woman deserves nothing because she was not working, even though she was raising children and being a homemaker that enabled the working parent to prioritize his career. Additionally I do think women are burdened with managerial "home" duties even outside of just chores, which are largely expected by m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:24 PM
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Girl I know it's so awful, it's ruining all discourse here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:59 PM
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I don't think these are "problems" at all. I think these are cases where the women have better experiences knowing what attracts men because we do actually attract men, and the vice versa for men who attract women. There is a lot of nuance here between "women are only attracted to height" and "women don't consider height at all." The in-between space is the actual debatable part. I will say, though, men are notoriously bad at picking out when women are wearing makeup or have gotten procedures un…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:25 PM
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What does this have to do with red pill or women's perspective of the red pill, or even intersexual dating dynamics?
/r/RedPillWomen06/07/26 04:12 PM
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I cannot help that neutral comments over the internet coming from women are perceived by men as hate. I do not keke with strangers over the internet, especially with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:10 PM
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Shy is not the same as being feckless. One can be shy and not feckless. Bear happens to be both shy and feckless. For that matter, quietness is not the same as shyness either. Respect = deep admiration and/or deference for someone. For me this ties into my sexual attraction to a man. If I don't respect a man, that is not hatred. I just don't admire him, I don't want to defer to him. Again, why do you perceive this as hate and rage?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:54 PM
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Biggest larp in the history of this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:50 PM
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Where did you get hatred and rage? And I did not say quiet, I said feckless which is incompetent, ineffectual. Basically men who do not take initiative; passive men. Being unattracted to them is not hatred or rage. It's unattraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:43 PM
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Again give proof. Where is the proof other than delusions in your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:22 PM
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Irrelevant to the topic at hand and you’re unable to defend your position, but I expect nothing less from the men who share your position. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:04 PM
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So again your gripe is that women are not held to the same standard of behavior, not actually about the movie lol. But why should women be held to the same standard? It is men who consistently claim that they only need to find a woman hot in order to find her attractive and they do not care about any other traits a woman possesses other than being hot. So it is men not holding women to this standard; the majority of men do not give a shit about this standard. Men have other standards for women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:02 PM
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I keep asking you of proof of your claims and you are not supplying this. Shy men are not inherently dangerous, they are just unattractive. I would argue that any man is dangerous, especially if you are going to have sex with him. But attractiveness has nothing to do with a man’s propensity to be violent. Attraction is gendered and I am not sure what to tell you here. Men reinforce gender roles by finding feminine and docile women attractive, so they like applying gender roles to women as well a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:55 PM
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Karma farming LMAOOO
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:43 PM
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All the Reddit discourse is about the nice guy trope which is the correct takeaway. If anything, you can possibly take from this movie that any man can be a rapist, even the shy or socially maladjusted ones, but women have known this all of our lives. There are many representations of the popular, charismatic man being a rapist or dangerous (e.g Speak, 13 Reasons Why, Brock Turner, Donald Trump, etc.). And there are many representations of socially maladjusted men being rapists or dangerous (e.g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:30 PM
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You think that female movie goers think the movie claims shy men are rapists? Says who? You? Through some oddly concocted reasoning in your head? What can possibly be the justification you have that women took away from this movie that shy men are rapists?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:52 PM
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You make the direct comparison that Bear should not be held the same standard because Nikki herself is passive. I am not talking about how women should feel, I’m talking about why men and women are not held to the same standard. The movie’s point is not that shy men are rapists, and I really question your analytical skills if that’s what you took away from it. It makes the point that men are willing to place his desires over a woman’s autonomy, even in a seemingly benevolent way. It’s not about …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:32 PM
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It makes sense for anyone to feel upset when they don’t the standard they are held to, and plenty of women also feel anguish at the standard of what men find beautiful and/or marriageable. However the common complaint from men—and OP does this too—is that women are not held to the same standard about confidence and initiative. And this is why I’m asking why would women be held to the same standard? The reason women care is because male competence is tied to sexual attraction for most of us. It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:26 PM
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If you want a feminine woman who looks and behaves femininely, does that mean you should also look and behave feminine? To make it fair? It is baffling to me that people think the traits that are attractive in the opposite sex have to be displayed by their own sex or their own self. A man being a feckless individual (like Bear) is deeply unattractive to me and many woman. I need to respect a man and his competence in order to feel sexual attraction to him. Conversely, many men only feel sexual a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:47 PM
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This is not the gotcha that you think it is, and it’s also a retarded strawman lol. MY man would not expect me to change for him, especially to attract him or if it fundamentally changes who I am. Not wanting to change for a man does not mean you don’t care about your partner’s happiness and desires—and if he were compatible, there would be a large overlap between my own happiness and desires, and his happiness and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:23 PM
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This take is like Muslim / non-western or something, like a complete lack of understanding about how female anatomy works.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:13 PM
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I think women as a group tend to have lower sex drive than men as a group. I mean… it’s men who claim that not being able to nut in pussy is torture and can make them suicidal. That it’s such a strong urge, to go without is putting them in despair. But I think there are high libido women too, and clearly you’ve attracted some.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:05 AM
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Ask women sub, or the sex sub lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:00 AM
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I don’t think of it in terms of good or bad. I think it’s more about what they are comfortable doing. Some women can get the kind of men they want to date without caring, and so there’s no reason for them to care. Some women can’t get the kind of men they want to date, so they change and they’re comfortable changing. For me this was easy because it was only about losing weight and dressing nicer, but I also like dressing up and I like feminine expression, so it wasn’t a drastic change. Some wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:46 AM
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By observing the kind of men I wanted to date. Who those men were dating. The motivation was that I wanted a bf and to have pretty privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:06 AM
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They don’t want us to win, Ange 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:52 AM
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If you count changing appearance to be more appealing to the kind of men I wanted to attract, then that’s what I did. I never had to intentionally go out and meet men I wanted to date because I was already in the right setting to meet them. These are the men in my social and socioeconomic class.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:27 AM
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I find it crazy that men here think there is no difference in the experiences of beautiful women vs. ugly women, or high value women vs. low value women. Even the way men speak about these women clearly portray a massive difference. Men on this subreddit proudly talk about how they pump and dump and treat women poorly when they’re ugly or not worth commitment. Even the ‘cels here say that undesirable women “deserve” to be abused or otherwise treated badly because they are not high value lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:33 PM
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If they weren’t being retarded while trying to date, they wouldn’t be ignored lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:16 PM
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Discussing western dating with non-western people is impossible and is ruining this subreddit. Why don’t you all go back to Muslim Reddit, third world Reddit or some shit omg.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:01 PM
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Yeah this is just a guy who knows he’s never gonna marry her, it’s a casual relationship where he’s leading her on, but he enjoys her companionship lol. That’s called a “starter girlfriend.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:51 PM
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Pump and dump is in the name lol. You pump and dump, he got sex and left. It's actually you who does not understand what this is, but at this point I expect very little from ESL users on this sub. If you're having sex with a guy and he keeps you around for convenience, and he continues a relationship with you, enjoys your company, hangs out with you, because he has no other options, it's just a short term relationship. It's a fling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:31 PM
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He comes home from work and he cares for me, touches me, we cuddle each other when we go to sleep, I have my best friend with me 24/7, we make pancakes from scratch every Saturday, I get to drive his Mustang cause it’s right there in the garage hehe. A whole host of things, really. Your mileage will vary though, and it requires you pick a good man and that you have already talked about a timeline for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:12 PM
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Yeah I love mutual love bombing, mutual limerence lol. That’s like 100% attraction to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:45 PM
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Well that is something I just cannot really relate to. The way I feel sexual attraction is specific and requires in-person interaction + basically continued mutual love bombing, so I don’t really feel attraction from “types” if that makes sense. I slept with all my bfs by the second or third date, with basically non-stop talking and flirting before the first date and between dates. It just never occurred to me that I should not sleep with a man early or not sleep with him at all, because I only …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:04 PM
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There isn’t only one way to be hot n kinky. Where did you get that? I wouldn’t sleep with men short term because I’ve never felt the desire to do something short term. I like cannot get horny for someone unless I’ve interacted with them a few times. I have never met a man I wanted to have sex with and then decided not to. All the men I wanted to sleep with became my bfs. I’m just really picky. I don’t understand the concept of avoiding a man who I felt sexual attraction to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:48 PM
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There isn’t only one way to be hot n kinky. Where did you get that? I wouldn’t sleep with men short term because I’ve never felt the desire to do something short term. I like cannot get horny for someone unless I’ve interacted with them a few times. I have never met a man I wanted to have sex with and then decided not to. All the men I wanted to sleep with became my bfs. I’m just really picky. I don’t even understand the concept of avoiding a man who I felt sexual attraction to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:46 PM
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If you think my comment was made by ChatGPT because you have personally used ChatGPT, I find that ironic because the cadence is nothing like ChatGPT, plus it utilizes semicolons to an absurd degree that ChatGPT and other AI models do not. All this to say, people who think my text is AI are self-identifying themselves for me as those who are either unwilling or unable to engage meaningfully with my content, evidenced by your assumptions of things I never said in my original comment, and also by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:01 AM
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I find the people woefully and embarrassingly lacking in education, familiarity with AI-isms, and quite possibly brain cells are the only people who think my contributions to this subreddit (where I have been posting for past 4 years) are written by ChatGPT. The fact that people cannot parse more complex syntax than what they find in a 5th grade level Language Arts textbook is not my concern nor is it my fault, and I sincerely hope they get the help they need to improve their reading comprehensi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:32 AM
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Why would I have to restrain my sexuality? I’m not worried about what “men” will think of me because I’m not sharing it with “men.” I’m sharing it only with the men I choose to date long term, and I vet for sexual compatibility. So if he’s not into being hot n kinky, I don’t want him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:57 AM
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Legally this means nothing. Law is one of the fields where the “words have meanings” meme rings exceedingly and almost excessively true. When speaking about criminal punishment, the crime has to be well defined. Fraud already has a specific legal meaning. Simply having an affair is not “fraud” because it does not establish intent to mislead another person for your financial or whatever gain. Adultery is not a crime. I said this down below in further comments, but what men here are actually wanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:49 PM
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Yes, negligence over paternity is the closest thing I can think of legally that would encompass basically what is a big mistake in where the mother’s unreasonable lack of care led to her husband’s financial and emotional harm. There is some other legalese in here, like what determines a reasonable level of risk of harm, and courts will have to hash out what this means. However, men must understand that “negligence” will be punished less severely than “fraud” due to the lack of intent or malice, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:24 PM
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I already put in my original comment how paternity fraud should be punished. You are welcome to scroll up and read it. The topic here is about paternity FRAUD from a legal standpoint; how it is punished according to criminal law, and even references the post discussing Panamanian law, and that law DOES require intent to be proven. People are welcome to discuss “paternity negligence”, if you want to call it something like this, on a different post. But that’s not this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:05 PM
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It does. Because you can mishandle a gun knowing there is a risk to other people around you, have it misfire and kill someone, and it does not make what you did murder. Because murder is the intent to kill; what you did is not that, so it would be classified as a manslaughter. Fraud requires deliberate intent. You have to prove this was the intent, to conceal information. If you cannot, then make up some new legal term to encompass what this is, similar to manslaughter. But it’s not paternity FR…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:57 PM
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It’s not innocence, that’s not what I said. I said it’s not FRAUD. If you do not like this legal definition, you are free to take your LSAT and apply to law school, obtain your JD and PhD, and then change the legal system. I look forward to hearing about your personal journey into family law.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:38 PM
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The reason you must be married is because, if you are unmarried, the mother cannot legally request child support from you without a DNA test. No one is “put on a birth certificate” if unmarried. That’s how I know y’all have never actually looked into what happens when you have a baby. Lol. The unmarried father in that situation has to VOLUNTARILY sign an Acknowledgement of Paternity, which is not the birth certificate, that legally binds him to the care of that child. Once again, VOLUNTARILY. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:21 PM
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No, that’s not the legal definition of FRAUD. Are you guys not reading this??? Fraud has a specific legal meaning. You can call it what you want, but that is not paternity FRAUD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:18 PM
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That is not deliberate evidence to conceal paternity. You can sleep with someone else and still believe your husband is the father based on your cycle history, use of condoms, plan B or other contraceptive with the affair partner, or some other reason. The burden of proof for this is high. Having an affair is not the concealment of known paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:02 PM
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Fines, financial restitution for the loss of finances + legal fees + whatever emotional damages the victim is able to argue, plus jail time depending on severity. If the father no longer wants to be in the child’s life due to not being the real father, then the mother should not be jailed. I want to make something clear tho — “fraud” is the deliberate concealment or misrepresentation of facts. So you have to show evidence that the mother knowingly and intentionally concealed the real paternity a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:33 PM
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Men choose based on character, do they? Then why is it men constantly screaming into the void that they don’t give a shit about a woman other than how hot she is and that she’s breathing? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:11 PM
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Conversely, I am not convinced that someone who is apathetic about everything and sees the value in nothing—not even personal achievement, health, or the bonds of friendship—is going to be magically made happy with romantic attention. Even in my experience being interested in these kinds of men, a woman does not fix their depression or intense loneliness; me expressing romantic interest did not fix anything or make them more pleasant to be around or improve their lives either. They actually just…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:09 PM
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First, men do not love women unconditionally. Erase this from your brains. Most men vet women for relationships based on a number of factors, including attractiveness and various utility—women are not loved for simply existing. They are bringing value to a man’s life that he would not have otherwise whether through sex, motherhood, peace, comfort, domesticity, laughter, financial assistance, emotional support, or something else; often a combination of all of these things. Second, most men are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:55 PM
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Does the self-improvement not also benefit a person outside of being in a relationship, though? Like there are tangible benefits to having a stable career, being financially well-off, having mental stability,, being socially competent, and being physically fit, even well outside attracting the opposite sex. That is just a vast improvement of life quality in and of itself, which is not a gamble; it’s a guarantee.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:36 PM
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I promise I’m not being snarky when I say this, but why does self-improvement in order to obtain a goal (to get a relationship) elicit such heavily negative responses? From the red pill purview, men and women generally find certain traits attractive in the opposite sex, so in order to maximize chance of success, TRP recommends lifting, putting effort into appearance, getting in a good position within one’s career, and learning to game female attraction (broadly being socially fluent). Conversely…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:58 PM
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Unironically, parsing your text requires higher reading comprehension and native fluency of the English language, effectively gatekeeping your post only to the intended audience and keeps out anyone who doesn’t want to engage meaningfully or quite literally lacks the ability to engage meaningfully, which is, in all honesty, a woefully large portion of the subreddit. You’re my favorite poster on this subreddit now lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:24 PM
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None of these were actually run-on sentences! I think, like, 2 specific places could benefit from a comma in order to visually separate phrases used as a list item after conjunctions, but it’s not necessary and is all syntactically correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:08 PM
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My man saw me eating half of a PB&J sandwich this morning, which sparked this conversation/debate: We have agreed that the individual components on their own are breakfast foods: white bread, peanut butter, and jelly. However, he says PB&J sandwiches are a lunch food, evidenced by their origin as a kids’ lunch food in the early 20th century, and the marketability of Uncrustables as lunchbox items for children. I say PB&J sandwiches are still counted as breakfast food, evidenced by the peanut but…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:00 PM
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Most coherent schizopost on this subreddit to date that I also kind of agree with. Thank you, tiddy milk guzzler.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:32 PM
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This is an odd question because your ex was not thinking about special treatment for herself as a woman; it’s that she wanted special treatment as your partner, which is how most people are. How people navigate their personal relationships has nothing to do with how they feel about gender politics broadly, particularly regarding the workforce as in your example. To me they’re like completely unrelated statements — like when men say sex work should be destigmatized and treated as a legitimate job…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:48 PM
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LMAOO
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:02 AM
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The exact verbiage in the law is something like “deliberate deception.” Simply sleeping with another man is not “deliberately” lying about paternity. It will not hold up legally as that is not malicious intent to deceive a man about paternity. It’s just being an adulterer. If she took a prenatal paternity test and knew that it belonged to the affair partner, and then hid the results from her husband, that would be deliberate deception. I understand you feel strongly about this, but legal cases o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:09 AM
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Cheating is not intent to deceive paternity. You can cheat and still earnestly believe the baby is not from the affair partner. There has to be evidence of intent to deceive regarding paternity, NOT regarding adultery. There’s a difference. Adultery is not the crime here. It’s paternity fraud. You have to know for a fact the baby is not his, and then deceive him into thinking it is. Sleeping with another man is not evidence of this. Women should not commit paternity fraud. But men should take pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:50 AM
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The way the Panamanian law works is that there has to be some evidence of malicious intent. You have to prove the intent was to deceive a man into recognizing a baby is his when it’s not. That cannot happen unless you had sex with that man (as well as the biological father), as that’s the only way to pass off the fraudulent baby as his. You legit can just practice abstinence and there is no way you can get duped or deceived into thinking a baby is yours. Because you know you never had sex to beg…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:25 AM
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This was not painting her negatively? > It seems to me that she wants all the benefits of a chaperone, boyfriend, or husband without any of the disadvantages. By expecting men to use their bodies to perform violence on her behalf when confronted with a bad guy, she feels entitled to men's bodies. You have described her here as self-serving and entitled, and you make it very clear from your post and the comments that you think this is a negative attribute. I am being hyperbolic because we both ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:04 AM
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My question remains: why do you paint her negatively? This seems like your beef with her that you’re applying to everyone else, “women.” I will never in a million years use my partner/spouse as an example to a forum of strangers, and then call them entitled and self-serving, and admit I chose such a person 💀 You do you tho, homie.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:45 AM
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You are painting her in a very negative light, intentionally or not. If you think she feels entitled to men’s bodies and wants the benefits of a husband/bf without any disadvantages, why are you with her? Legit like if you think she’s a weirdo like this, why even stay with such a person and then speak ill about them online?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:30 AM
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You can actually just practice abstinence tho and never be paternity frauded.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:08 AM
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It’s rare for bachelorette parties to have a male stripper. I’ve been to like 5 and none have ever had a male stripper.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:27 AM
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The men on this sub just reach for anything. It’s ridiculous. They’ll want you to justify that you’re not with Chad, but then say you settled and that you don’t love your husband/bf lol. They make up a whole fantasy about you in their heads, it’s demented.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:42 AM
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Most women are in relationships or marriages so this is verifiably false. Because they can already get things without a man. I could go out and get like 5 simps tomorrow if I wanted to, all to fund my lifestyle. But most women are not picking that. They are choosing to have a partner, not simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:06 AM
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Heterosexual men will never understand this. It’s almost pointless to try and explain it to them. What you describe is what red pill actually means by female sexual hypergamy. It’s intrinsically monogamous in that women reserve all her attention and affection for that ONE man, the man she believes is the “best,” and sees all other men as lesser beings who don’t deserve shit. Lol Men get on this sub and try to convince us that we should give it to all men, and that is simply not female sexual nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:00 AM
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Male indiscriminate sexual behavior is not the default. For that matter, by your logic, the men who look for traits in women that enable them to build futures and families together also only want things, services, and feelings. Not the woman. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:56 AM
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It sounds like you didn’t actually spend a lot of time trying to understand RPW if that’s your takeaway. It is quite literally for women who are attracted to men, and value marriage and family lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:53 AM
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I don’t understand your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:45 AM
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Yup thank you. It’s like the first advice we received growing up lol, through media and also thru family, friends, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:44 AM
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They’re like all over Instagram, dating gurus, femininity coaches and whatnot. But they are not teaching how to attract “men” — they’re teaching how to attract the kind of men who are specifically a good fit for you and what you want out of life. “Attracting men” at large is not the issue here because we know that a lot of men only need to find a woman who is sufficiently attractive and breathing. That’s not helpful. Some men do not even need her to be breathing, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:42 AM
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I like MY man. Every other man can and should leave me alone. RPW has a whole section on attracting men, and another on what men like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:07 AM
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I do not expect anything from men who are strangers. I have a question for you: why do y’all get on the internet and disparage your significant others like this? It’s bizarre to me, like actively shouting out to the world that you think your gf is a retard lol. Damn bro, I love my fiancé too much to do him dirty like this to a bunch of strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:44 PM
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Right so I’m sure you saw, over the internet, what kind of man my fiancé is. Because you called ME a chad chaser, remember? 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:30 PM
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This argument is so completely retarded. It’s a bunch of woo-woo feelings from men on the internet who have no idea what other women are choosing, crying about some made up fantasy in their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:37 PM
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They're gonna say some shit like, "Men don't care about any of that, only if you're hot and breathing!!!" So, like, they admit to not caring about anything else, so what does it matter to them what women offer anyway??? Lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:40 PM
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This title reads like a random clickbait Youtube video lol. "SMASH that like button and SUBSCRIBE for more SHOCKING content."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:24 PM
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Women do not have to offer anything if she just wants a random man to fuck. By virtue of having holes, and most men wanting hole and are only able to obtain this via a relationship, women are inherently valuable to those men and make his life better through sex. The inverse is not true. That's why women are less interested in partnering with men. Women have something more to offer for men who are worth it. I am not going to sit here and justify why my fiancé chose me just so angry men can jerk o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:16 PM
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What is a kids movie that's kind of not a kids movie? I always think of Coraline for this, tbh, that movie is nightmare fuel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:25 PM
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4'11" for me tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:24 PM
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That's not asexuality, that's differing libidos. Women still feel sexual attraction to men, we are just more selective and do not feel the need to actually partner with a man in order to get sexual release. Men display indiscriminate sexual behavior, which is not our problem and not the default. It's why men are more likely to fuck sheep, goats, kids, dead bodies, parted out holes, and whatever else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:18 PM
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Yeah, I'm telling you that most of them don't. And that's especially true in my home country where English is widely spoken in the areas passport bros go to like Angeles City, Manila, Cebu, etc. The reason locals themselves demonize passport bros is because they see that most are trying to get easy access to sex/relationship, not trying to date within the local cultural norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:59 PM
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The red pill has never been for societal change; it was only ever for individual improvement and benefit. It even says so on the sidebars of TRP, MRP, and RPW lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:44 PM
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...As someone from the Philippines, a man can want to genuinely find a good partner, but that doesn't mean passport broing is unfairly demonized, which is actually what your debate topic is about. How many passport bros are actually learning the language? How many of them actually put in the work to understand the culture? Even here in the U.S, we have men bringing women home from Asia and regularly denigrate the country, the people, the food and how gross it is, etc. Most educated women in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:33 PM
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It's not even wedding night. We routinely see here on this subreddit that men say a month is too long, more than 4 dates is too long, etc. Their argument is that a woman who wants to wait at all does not feel "true attraction" to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:02 PM
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Correct - which is why men desire sex to the point of getting into relationships that are not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:55 PM
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And? I'm flaired red pill for a reason. Everything of what you said is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:50 PM
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That’s not a dumb feminist talking point lol, it’s a red pill one that relies on biological essentialism and evo-psych gendered patterns; some notion of male and female sexual nature, and male and female sexual strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:38 PM
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The reason men want relationships more than women is because they view relationships is a means to the end goal of sex. They know relationships are the most reliable way of getting sex, and the data backs this up. Women will not get into a relationship simply to have sex, while men do. Women would rather have no relationship than be in an unsatisfactory one. Men would take being in an unsatisfactory relationship over having no relationship at all. The first hurdle men have to overcome is whether…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:28 PM
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No, she is saying women are more selective about getting into relationships; men simply desire relationships at a rate more than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:21 PM
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This is not a matter of women being morally superior; that’s not what is being argued.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:15 PM
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I had a lot of first dates (and I do not sleep with men on them), but I legit have had sex with all my bfs on the 2nd or 3rd date and they were all LTRs. I slept with my fiancé on our second date lol. Having sex early does not prevent you from getting a good man or a steady relationship. We were both looking for an LTR, and we were both insanely horny for each other. I personally cannot imagine starting a relationship any other way. Of course, other women prefer to do things the way you’re argui…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:31 PM
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Absolutely correct. As I have said, PPBs don’t actually dislike the “shallowness” of the western women they want to date. They dislike that they cannot afford to date in that price range. But they are a-okay with the shallowness of a Filipina maid who makes $1.20 per day and wants him for money. They could date non-shallow women, but alas. They choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:53 PM
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Ya a feckless man is so deeply unattractive, it’s like my #1 trait that turns me off
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:47 PM
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Nobody is blaming men for being lonely. But being lonely is not an excuse to treat your partner poorly. That is entirely within their control and they can be blamed for treating their partner poorly. They need to get in therapy or do some work on themselves so that they don’t continue to do this. Also, make your comment without making personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:59 PM
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The main reason for women not partnering with men is not that women are avoiding toxic, misogynist men. It’s not even the leading narrative when this point is brought up. It’s that women don’t see a point in partnering with a man if there is no guarantee that it will bring value to her life. It’s a disruption of being single, where her single life is the standard men have to beat. The promise of regular sex is not enough to make women choose relationships, meanwhile it’s more than enough for ple…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:33 PM
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This one is still active sometimes on PPD spaces, but he essentially grew out of it, yeah!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:58 AM
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One of the most interesting things to me is that one of the mods of the original incel subreddit is now married and thinks inceldom is dumb, lol. In your opinion, if he was able to date while young and get married, was he ever an incel to begin with? Fakecel or truecel?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:04 AM
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That is not the black pill. For whatever reason the black pill has been distorted and made family friendly in the last 5 years. In its inception like 20 years ago, it is the belief that looks are the only thing that matter, and broadly genetics will determine your outcome. Most of this was focused on physical attributes — bone structure and such — but was also applied to personality and social ability. Thus, the people who took the black pill fundamentally believed in genetic determinism, nihili…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:20 PM
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The black pill is well defined and has been for like 17 years lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:05 PM
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I think they understand and try it anyway, because they clearly understand how and why older men can be attractive. When I was in college, in undergrad, I was a 19 yo who thought my 30-something yo engineering physics TA was attractive. I also found my early 50s literature professor attractive. In those cases, though, there's a draw to confidence and the authoritative position. There's something hot about seeing a man display knowledge and passion (like competence, I guess?), and in a university…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:02 PM
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God, please let all the black pillers reply here so it serves as a honeypot 🤭🙂‍↕️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:45 PM
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the important question is where someone interrupts the loop before loneliness hardens into hostility. I'll tell you the biggest truth nuke. Even when someone interrupts the loop, it is unlikely that it will bring some lonely man out of said loop. I spent a lot of my dating years interested in lonely men, self-described incels, sad men who just needed someone. They're like... lovable retarded puppies to me. I love a good fixer-upper. I wanted nothing more than to see them loved and happy. Here's …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:11 PM
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So your friend got cheated on by a girl who likes bad boys. How does this prove most women like bad boys? Here: all the men I have dated and all the men I have been on dates with are attractive young men with good jobs and bright futures. They are witty, kind, generous, and intellectual. Because of my experience, now all women like these kinds of men, right? That’s how retarded this post is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:37 PM
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Yes I do not interact with any bum losers, including women. They disgust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:16 PM
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“I want to rape women and get away with it” Just say that next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:10 PM
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Open up to whom and in what context? The only men I want opening up to me are my brother and my fiancé. My dad is also fine here, but fathers tend not to do that. While there are men’s issues I support through charitable giving, I really do not want random men opening up to me. When male strangers start opening up, they develop feelings because I listened, and now I’m responsible for navigating that. I don’t want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:10 PM
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I’m disagreeing with the OP, as contextual interaction is not “character,” and looks do not get me horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:54 AM
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I just am not in the socioeconomic class or social class of bum losers. I literally do not know any bum losers in my life and I only dated through social circles. All the people I know, all my friends, people I went to college with, are middle class to upper middle class and educated. I wouldn't even begin to know where to find a bum loser. I would have to pick one up off the street or something. Yuck. All the men I have dated or been on dates with were in my social class, so it's not something …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:01 AM
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These bozos who say “pair bonding” always mean some shit like, “If she had sex before me she’ll never be able to love me.” But if he’s had tons of sex before her, it doesn’t apply. They can’t ever admit they just fetishize virgin hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:53 AM
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Just because you’re ESL doesn’t mean the rest of us are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:49 AM
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I have never dated a bum loser in my entire life. The only thing that gets me horny is how a man interacts with me, that’s it. Looks are like nothing, I find a million and one men cute, and I don’t feel horny for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:18 AM
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The only area in which I criticize men is when they are lazy and have no work ethic to improve, but that is because Asian-Americans (and largely any immigrant diaspora) culturally see laziness as a moral failing. If I were born male, I’d still have that cultural framing, so I’d still feel the same way and would have been socialized to succeed. Other than that, this question is impossible to answer. I’d have been socialized with male norms and have male thoughts. The closest comparison I can assu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:07 PM
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OP, you must participate in any Debate threads you make, otherwise it will be removed for OP abandonment. Any questions should be directed to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:55 PM
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It’s exactly related to the point. She filtered you out; her evaluation that you were not a good partner for her was correct to begin with. Then she gave you the chance. And despite what she said while in the relationship, the relationship was a failed one anyway. It proves the point that you were not a good partner for her to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:00 PM
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And yet you guys broke up anyway so she should have just stuck to her original standards instead of lowering them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:51 PM
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This thread has been removed for OP abandonment. Please read the rules regarding Debate threads. Any further questions should go to modmail.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:50 PM
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Stop spamming the same comment across different replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:33 PM
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Whenever this topic comes up, the OPs always fail to give examples of the sorts of “high standards” that actually contribute to incompatibility. Why is it always intentionally left vague? I had a long-ish list of filters because I’m trying to build a family with someone. That forces me to be selective. What do you mean by “building compatibility?” How does that happen? Why does having more/high standards mean that someone has a mindset of “I could do better”?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:15 PM
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As usual, men on this subreddit are arguing that a woman should not have any sexual boundaries if she truly loves a man. That she should not be able to say no to anything he asks of her, even if she tried it before and didn’t like it. If she previously was neutral to anal and decided she doesn’t like it after trying it, you should be able to have anal sex with her anyway. Right? Because she needs to prove to you that she likes you more than the ex. You want to feel like “that guy.” Men here are …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:56 AM
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AWDTSG groups don’t discuss sex life in detail though. The accurate equivalent would be like a man saying a woman is really controlling and goes through his phone, and was cheating. You’ve already told on yourself here that men do not actually care if the woman is cheating or behaving poorly — what they actually care about is getting the sex he feels is “owed” to him due to what she did with past men. A list of things that he now has the right to demand. That said, I don’t support AWDTSG groups …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:40 AM
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Listen, I’m more amused that your post was rejected from PPD, and then you ran to copy/paste it word-for-word here. Lolll. You can be single if you want to, that’s your life. Wanting to more women to be single is really none of your business.
/r/RedPillWomen30/06/26 11:00 PM
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The logical gender on display, displaying their famous restraint of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:25 PM
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Er, do you know what subreddit you’re on? Who are you proselytizing to? Lol
/r/RedPillWomen30/06/26 10:15 PM
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I took the OP at his premise, which was that women are jealous of male invisibility, in where invisible = no attention, which is also tied to dating success ("people are ruthless to you when they're not attracted"). I said I would not like this because I have the privilege of being a woman, and my sexuality toward men is dependent on me being noticed (positively) by them. I lumped in undesirable with invisible because, in my opinion, invisible women are largely undesirable to men. Men will claim…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:25 PM
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Right but I already know other women feel differently, I never argued once that other women should feel the way I do. In fact the assumed default is OP's stance, in where he asserts women are jealous of men's invisibility. I just told him that I, personally, am not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:32 PM
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Yeah sure if I go outside some person out there will look at how I'm dressed and think I look silly or that I'm ugly. I would still prefer not to be invisible. Idk why y'all are riding me so hard about my personal preference. I didn't say all woman had to feel the same way I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:20 PM
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For the bottom like 5-10% of women, they would probably like to be invisible. That kind of ugly is noticeable, unfortunately. If a woman is slightly below avg you just blend into a crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:53 PM
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I grow old with my husband. I understand youth and beauty do not last forever. Even then I think growing older isn't the same as "being invisible to everyone." There are plenty of older women who enjoy putting effort into how they look and have strong fashion tastes. My personality has never been suited for complete invisibility. I simply do not see a spotlight as negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:42 PM
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I don't think I make a positive impact on men or women here. It's a debate space, which is what I do. My honesty about my dating preferences is not bringing hope to men. But I don't think that was the objective to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:35 PM
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I was invisible when ugly, that's how I know I don't want that. It's completely antithetical to who I am, how I express myself, and how I prefer to meet men. If I wasn't able to get out of that, I don't know, maybe I'd feel differently. But I don't like being invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:32 PM
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Thank you. It is odd having to continuously justify my preference and being treated like it is inherently the wrong one to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:57 PM
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I didn't say that, did I? I know men appreciate a woman's personality. The vast majority of them anyway, as it's a necessary component in long term partnership. However, men approaching (among those who choose to) do it based on appearance as they know nothing about me prior to that point, and in this way, being invisible will not help me. I only met men through in-person social functions, as I don't believe using online dating services is helpful for me. I actually don't mind men hitting on me …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:54 PM
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Nice personal attack. Removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:32 PM
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You are free to repost it with the correct flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:24 PM
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That counts! Good morning!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:58 PM
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No, it's cause some weirdo here went thru my account history trying to doxx me and find personal info about me. Probably one of your friends who are very obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:29 PM
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It's a fundamental misunderstanding of English idioms. It's impossible to communicate with these people who apply their weird fantasy interpretations on commonly understood phrases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:21 PM
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You don't like Coke Zero?!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:12 PM
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❤️ Good morning ❤️ only to people who: Dislike Lucky Charms cereal Have at least one houseplant in their room, apartment, home, or workspace Are engaged, married, or have been in a LTR for at least 3 years, OR Enjoy Coke Zero
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:02 PM
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I quite literally followed up in the next sentence, so I would suggest going back to read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:45 PM
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Edit: You don't understand English idioms. Idk if you're a native English speaker or not, but "not giving them the satisfaction" is used in situations where someone is trying to get a rise out of you, provoking an emotional reaction, etc. So you deny them getting what they want. Now for the rest of your post: I don't want an equal relationship. I want an equitable one, with a general feeling of fairness according to whatever standards and preferences we hold, as well as the contributions we each…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:38 PM
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No. I enjoy putting effort into how I look. I have a lot of fun with my appearance and my sense of style and fashion. Being invisible to everyone would be miserable to me. Men don’t approach on personality either, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:20 PM
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I still don’t think it’s worth trading places with an average man. I have fun with my appearance and fashion; I don’t want to be invisible. I am not miserable with a spotlight on me because I enjoy putting effort into how I look.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:17 PM
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The method of “rape” was not vague either, this OP is making some odd argument. We understand that Bear’s wish completely removes her autonomy, like the boundary violating is not exactly subtle…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:56 AM
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Okay obviously roofieing someone takes their autonomy away as they are unconscious. Let me spell it out for you, apparently you are an average man. When someone wants to roofie you, it’s not instantaneous. It doesn’t just happen. The potential victim has a means of risk mitigation, namely not accepting drinks from strangers, not leaving your drink unattended in the presence of strangers, using a buddy system, only drinking what is handed to you from bartenders, etc. Some people decide not to go …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:20 AM
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Completely unrelated to what I said, as well as being a retarded rebuttal to why Bear is seen as a rapist or rape-adjacent, which you have again conveniently disregarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:48 AM
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He didn’t roofie her, he didn’t chloroform her. He did something much worse, which was entirely remove her autonomy. That’s the part you’re seemingly not understanding. He violated her consent and made her a prisoner trapped in her own body. It is “rapey.” It shows us that men will put his sexual desire above a woman’s autonomy. The real Nikki begs him for death, to release her, and what does he say? “Is it so bad to be with me?” He understands this relationship is non-consensual as a result of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:39 AM
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My bad habit is (was, lol, as I’m no longer single) getting attached to insecure, lonely men. I used to love a good DIY project (HAHA). They’re like… hurt puppies or something to me. So I’ve dealt with quite a few in my dating years, and that’s probably why I don’t see it as evil. It is rooted in a deep feeling of worthlessness and the desire to be loved. Needless to say… insecure, desperate, lonely men do not make good partners and are difficult to romantically “rehabilitate” as it were. Hard t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:05 AM
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I don’t think this is evil, really. The more I think about it, it’s cowardice and desperation. It’s like the final manifestation of “If only you would give me a chance.” It’s very disturbing, kind of like the guys who say stuff like, “I’ll kill myself if you leave me.” Just keeping someone trapped in that situation because he is too weak and can’t bear to let them go. But it’s not evil to me, it is in line with someone deeply insecure and desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:49 AM
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Asking whether it is a “useful” message is pointless, imo. Because regardless of whether you think this is the message of the movie, it is what women come to know as we live life being women. That some men will gladly place his sexual desire above our autonomy, even in a way that he believes is benign. It’s not “rape” but it’s not great either. Also, like… I’m sorry to say, but the first one to tell me, “Be careful because anyone can be a rapist” was not this movie. It was my father.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:26 AM
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> slightly hypogamous Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:43 AM
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As usual, arguing semantics and not the concept. He is arguing for ghetto welfare baby mama/daddy culture and saying all women are like this. That’s not even what hypergamy is in the red pill either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:14 AM
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I’m from a poor third world country. What OP is describing is not just being economically poor, he’s specifically describing the experience of the urban welfare ghettos, and then saying “women” are like this. It’s uniquely low rent urban ghetto shit. Hence “low rent”, i.e the projects.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:07 AM
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No, because I fundamentally cannot find men attractive or respectable (to date) if they don’t approach me. For them to approach, I need to be noticeable. I don’t want to be invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:39 PM
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You’re not describing hypergamy. You’re describing low rent poors which is crazy lol. I exercised hypergamy within reason and ended up great. Don’t know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:35 PM
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I cannot disagree more with this take. I enjoy my life as a woman, I don’t want to trade places with some average man. I would trade places with a hot 6’4” upper class man, but that has more to do with power rather than invisibility. Men’s lust can be bothersome, but I don’t want to be seen as undesirable. I WAS an undesirable woman once. It’s not a good experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:25 PM
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No not at all. I think when men get into the red pill, they have reached a point in their lives where dating isn't working for them, and they're wondering why. Some of them probably want to control a woman, but I don't believe this is the case for most of them. When men arrive there, especially the young ones, they are angry at the revelation of male/female attraction. It's so common that it's almost treated as an initiation into TRP and called "the anger phase." This kind of anger is not conduc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:20 PM
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Here is my biannual memo that Red Pill Women, who give advice to other women that want male-led relationships, advise against picking red pill aware men. They often do not make good partners. Stay safe out there!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:42 PM
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Is it strange? Of course they will defend it — they wanna fuck young attractive pussy and not have people look at them weird for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:29 PM
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Autistic women have such high rates of sexual violence and abuse that it's dishonest to use them as examples. Of course they won't be "stuck alone" when there is a man out there willing to take sexual advantage of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:02 PM
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It was not feminism that told me this - I am not a feminist. It was the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:57 PM
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Because they choose to. The sports bra is not required; they can wear an overshirt and athletic leggings if they want. I choose to wear tight athletic clothing and sports bras when I go to pilates or barre. It's easier for the instructor to see and correct my form, and it also feels more breathable to me. In those settings there are no men either, so it has nothing to do with male sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:47 PM
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In my experience and observations, women generally need more romance than men, and men often slide off with the romantic stuff after a while. I wouldn’t say anybody is “owed” anything, or that anything is a “requirement,” but generally people should understand what it’s like going into a LTR with the opposite sex. I tell the equivalent to men as well — if he doesn’t like doing romantic stuff and he hates the actual dating part, a relationship is not for him. If he likes it or if it’s “tolerable”…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:02 PM
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Women want to feel sexy and attractive sometimes, and sometimes use clothing for that. It’s not some psy-op — women also choose those clothes, particularly for casual wear or for a night out. Just like, in the appropriate context, women choose clothes that are more conservative. Would you say it’s a psy-op by older female fashion execs to create clothing that has longer skirts and doesn’t show any cleavage? That prairie dress style that’s been popular for the last ~5 years and the baggier, loose…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:02 PM
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I think, for me, a lot of it has to do with the demographic I was looking in. If you want a man who provides, he needs to have the capability of, well, providing. I have a 6-figure income, and I dated in my social circles, so most of the men I was meeting also made good money. However, I also work in a professional creative field. Prior to this, I worked in luxury retail, so I always looked groomed, polished, and I have a very feminine sense of personal style. I do “look” high maintenance, thoug…
/r/RedPillWomen29/06/26 04:27 AM
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So, I can understand where you’re coming from and why you think this is flawed. The reason TRP approaches dating systematically through looks, status, and money is because this is the best strategy for a man to get his foot in the door, so to speak, in the dating game. If you’re lacking in all of these departments, it is significantly harder to date as a man. The entirely of red pill operates on broad generalizations that are meant to steer a person in the right direction to maximize their roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:44 AM
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u/GridReXX Interestingly, this is something we tell women passing through RPW. That married women need to understand that men simply have a much higher sexual drive, and they need to have sex in order to relax. Conversely, women need to be relaxed in order to have sex lol. But they come thru specifically asking like, “Why is my husband so disgruntled and distant from me?” and when we ask, one of the most common answers is “He wants to have more sex.” It is hard for women to compromise on this. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:11 AM
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You guys are going about this in circles. Griddy doesn’t disagree with you. She said multiple times that the man SHOULD leave. But this post is coming from her pov as a woman, so in this scenario, she’s approaching this through female agency. Which is to either deal with him being too horny for her, or leaving. In actuality you are just agreeing with Grid and arguing over nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:59 AM
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What if I don’t want a man to contribute equally to the chores? Like idk I clean really well, I have standards I stick to, and there is no man I would want to cook for me ever. The system my fiancé and I have works for us. We feel like it is equitable given what we want to do or don’t want to do. Why would I force him to clean or cook for the sake of “50/50,” when we can split the responsibilities of our home another way? Why would he force me to go 50/50 just for the sake of it? I feel like tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:29 AM
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This is a man you should stop talking to, that’s what this is.
/r/RedPillWomen29/06/26 01:48 AM
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People are free to choose whoever friends they want. Not my problem if that offends you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:55 AM
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I don’t get vulnerable with any males outside of my soon-to-be husband, brother, and dad. I don’t even keep close male friends. It’s been my experience that men interpret emotional closeness as romantic interest, and I do not want to deal with navigating it if/when it happens. I have very close female friends and that’s my preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:48 PM
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Okay so you find her beautiful, I'm not telling you to stop finding women beautiful. But it's you who thinks women are harming you all because you can't have her. It's porn brained and frankly you sound non-western.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:12 PM
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Okay so this is an internal reaction within yourself. You are causing this. No one is doing anything to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:03 PM
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Okay, not my problem. It is your problem to abide by subreddit rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:01 PM
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So learn to paraphrase. I have made longer posts on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:59 PM
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You see a beautiful woman, and what? She is not inflicting pain or torture on you. This is the most retarded analogy in existence on this subreddit to date. What country are you from?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:58 PM
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As per subreddit rules, all relevant points and information must be in the body of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:56 PM
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It's not advertised because this is considered a normal route for men, being a "perennial bachelor." It's seen as a personal choice whether to have a wife and family, and while this has a chance to negatively impact him professionally (in terms of promotions, perception by higher-ups), he's not fundamentally seen as broken if he chooses to just make money and live a bachelor lifestyle. Women are more vocal about justifying this decision because they are seen as fundamentally broken if they don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:54 PM
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Crazy analogy to make — you understand you are comparing women who are not doing anything to anyone except putting effort into their appearance, to a person actively assaulting others with a baseball bat? The reason you think women are inflicting pain on you by existing is precisely because porn-addled male brains cannot comprehend these women are not your property to fuck as you please just because you find her attractive. If you find her attractive, keep it to yourself, or tell her respectfull…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:46 PM
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The correlation of men who ideate about suicide, and men who perpetrate family violence, is a known connection. Not all suicidal men, mind you, but there's a connection. That being said, the police should have said, "Are they currently a risk to themselves or to others?" Feminist concerns and the solutions are not perfect outcomes and rarely are; translating concern to legal policy is not a smooth transition. When men support feminism, it is never because of "women" as a group so we already know…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:33 PM
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What are the issues? It's one thing to say you care about boys' dropping out of K-12 education and not receiving the educational support they need, which also means they are at a disadvantage when applying to college/uni. Or saying you care about mens' unjust prison sentencing, or disproportionate homelessness rates. The problem is that men (here on this subreddit) will list off completely valid concerns, and then tack on, "Women will not have sex with us, they are hypergamous and only want Chad…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:45 PM
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Lonely men tend to have worse social skills than the women here. By social skills I mean the ability to make appropriate small talk, having social awareness and tact, and a general filter to understand what to say or not say. I actually think a socially incompetent woman is treated worse in a room full of socially fluent women, than a socially incompetent man is. But I used to work in management for near all-female environments, luxury retail, and I have seen it with my own two eyes. We had the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:14 PM
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I don’t agree with the blanket statement that people don’t treat others “like shit” until you meet “the one” that makes you shape up. If that were the case, men would not have so many “the one who got away” stories, in which they lament that they didn’t shape up for the woman who spent so much time and effort with him, until one day she finally left. Also, being interested in sex and wanting to spend money doesn’t make them good people. It doesn’t even make them good partners. What’s “good” is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:58 PM
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I live in the southern United States. It’s not “common” but also not unheard of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:46 PM
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Yeah, no. In all the healthy relationships I know, the couples talk about what’s going on with their lives. Both the men and women want their partners to show up in the relationship, build a life together, and be communicative. They “expect” equal effort. As I said in my original comment, the men who think spending time together is too much to ask in a relationship, are not fit for relationships. They don’t want a life partner; they want an on-demand girlfriend that he can have sex with daily, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:43 PM
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Source on historical? You mean when women had to rely on marrying a man to do anything in life, and he didn’t even have to like her or anything? And he could treat her like “A woman should be seen, not heard”? LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:31 PM
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This comes across like men want less bonding time, they want to do the absolute bare minimum, that their preference is to have a girlfriend that he can remove and add to his life whenever he wants. If he could, he’d have a girlfriend that he has to put zero effort into, and she’ll always stick around for him to give him sex. Like, that’s what this comes off like. Men want frequent sex, sometimes daily sex, without actually having to talk to us? That he can speak to us just 1-2x per year but want…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:52 AM
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Why should I change when I have a fiancé? Why should I give men access to me when I’m about to be married? It’s not cruel to not have sex with men. I’m just minding my own business. Why the fuck would I invite more men in my life when I have a husband???
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:26 AM
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You didn’t answer any of my questions. Why should women give our bodies to more men? Especially when men call women who do so “sluts” and “easy.” YOU have the privilege of having sex without being looked down on for it, which makes this confusing for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:18 AM
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truth is if women want to be accessible they would be. the cruelty is intentional. we are talking about the wrong thing. Why do you view this as cruelty? It's not cruel if someone does not want to have sex with me or be my friend. women are the only one that need to change. Why? Why do women need to change this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:18 AM
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I got into this sub when I used it as a case study for my honors thesis during undergrad, lol. I stayed because I got to know people and it was a fun time. Prior to this, I was already on RPW ( r/RedPillWomen ), and I was also dating men, so I already knew about the red pill and largely agreed with it. I had already gone through a period of self-improvement, and I had mostly good experiences while dating. I have no reason to hate men; mostly I'm interested in dating dynamics and I find them inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:13 AM
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I was about to say, lol, feral animals are not rabid animals… they’re just untamed. Also I feel like everyone has heard the expression “go feral over them,” as in to have wild unabashed sexuality over someone else. It really could not have been that hard to understand from context clues and the topic 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:08 PM
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Q4M: Which of these two is worse? And which of these two will have more dating success? A) A woman with a low looks threshold, like she finds the average man attractive — she may even find slightly below average men attractive — but her other requirements for dating are really high. Income, education, social class; she requires a man to be in the top 15% of those. B) A woman with a very high looks threshold, in where she only finds the top 15% of looks attractive, but she would date a man who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:04 PM
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Bro IS young, he’s part of Gen Z. He is making an assertion with absolutely no supporting material in his post, and no personal experience either which is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:52 PM
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Objectively speaking it’s easier to go through major milestones with a life partner, as you share the financial and mental responsibilities of buying a home, having and raising kids. Or if you don’t want those things, then you get companionship, tax benefits, and married people statistically have more sex, which is a benefit for people who like having sex I guess. Men specifically benefit in employment from being married and having kids, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:42 PM
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Please explain something to me. This is a thread explicitly asking for people who chose a partner for stability and not love. Therefore it’s representative of only that target demographic, not the entirety of people in relationships. On top of this, the top 2 comments are from men who chose his wife out of friendship and stability. There are tons and tons of men in that thread saying the basis of his marriage was stability, not limerence. And somehow, you took this limited set of data + ignored …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:17 PM
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I was a woman open to being cold approached. The places I didn’t want to cold approached was at the gym, the grocery store, and anytime I was wearing headphones and working on something (usually when I was studying at a coffee shop). When I worked at my luxury retail job, I didn’t want to be approached by clients either. That was just weird because I’m forced to be there and interact with him… there’s no escape for me lol. Any other place was fine. College, bars, parties, social events, work or …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:50 PM
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I was open to men approaching me in most places, barring when I was like clearly occupied. Like at the grocery store, at the gym, studying with headphones on at a cafe. If I didn’t have headphones on at a cafe, and a man said, “I like your keychain,” this would have been fine. But he cannot hang around and expect me to talk to him if I don’t want to continue the conversation. I mean, he can hang around, but I won’t be responsive, and he shouldn’t get mad at me for it. There have been times I’ve …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 PM
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We will just disagree then. A man telling me that he only likes me because I’m nice to look at and breathing will come off shallow to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:15 PM
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Sure being physically attracted to someone is not shallow. But you specified “only like someone for their looks or mostly their looks.” I think this is shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:00 PM
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Introversion is not the same as timidness, social incompetence, or insecurity. It’s not even the same as shyness. If a man is too shy or passive to approach — even warm approach — then I don’t want him. It really is as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:55 PM
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My opinion is formed on what I observe from other women. I used myself as an example. Your opinion is formed on what you observe from other women, presumably. Idk if you are a woman or not. Only liking someone for their looks is shallow across the board. And the reason why women are held to a higher standard is because it is not women who claim that we only care if a man is hot and not fat. That we don’t care about his personality, hobbies, achievements, work, etc. It is men who claim that. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:50 PM
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My opinions matter to the same extent yours does in the creation of the premise of your post. We just fundamentally disagree here. I don’t think women are primarily sexually attracted to looks. Women are more easily able to separate “that’s a good looking man” from “this man makes me horny and I want to have sex with him.” I think the latter feeling is caused by a multitude of factors not primarily looks. But sure if you believe what you believe, then I can see why you’d make this post. We just …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:41 PM
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My partner pays for the housework to be done (the stuff I don’t want to do), so I would rather us be in a position to afford more of that when we have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:35 PM
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So you don’t understand what “to me” means? Like in my opinion, in my experience. I also just explained to you that I don’t think most women are primarily sexually attracted to looks, and I did mention that there are women who are primarily sexually attracted to looks. I just think they’re the minority. The reason men have the perception that female attraction is more holistic is because most women they encounter will have sexual attraction that is more holistic. They’ll moralize it as “less sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:29 PM
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I didn’t say it was objective fact, I said “to me.” Meaning I don’t care if men make this assessment of women, and I also do not think most women are sexually attracted because of mostly looks. Some guy asked this question to women yesterday (How much of our sexual attraction was tied to looks vs. everything else), and the answers ranged from 0% looks to 100% looks, to the categories were inseparable. Most women had some split between 30-50% looks vs. everything else. Meanwhile if you ask men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:11 PM
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Yeah so to me it’s not misogynistic, it’s just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:02 PM
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The way I chose a partner was that ether of us can support the costs of the household if we were ever reduced to one income. This makes it so that if he were to get in a life changing accident, or I was partially paralyzed after childbirth or something, we can maintain the same lifestyle. That being said, I wouldn’t ever choose to have a SAHD. Moms who are the breadwinners still end up doing a majority of the housework, and I don’t want that to be me. While we don’t have kids, I’m happy to do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:00 PM
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Because I am not sexually attracted by looks, I have responsive desire, so idk this will never apply to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:52 PM
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Women know exactly what “breaking rules” means. We know that men mean they want her to do things that she would not normally allow, even if it hurts or humiliates her, e.g sex acts like anal, choking, degradation, threesomes, etc. Men view the ability to do this as a status symbol. That a woman will allow him to abuse and/or humiliate her. And when women ask men for examples that do not involve sexual coercion, abuse, humiliation, or breaking her boundaries, they can’t name any lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:39 AM
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“When a woman genuinely desires a man, she lets him abuse her.” 🫩 Men are not rising above the allegations omg.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:32 AM
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A man needs to just look non-repulsive for me to be open to him flirting with me. However I don’t feel sexual attraction without the “everything else” because that’s just how I’m wired. Not in a “Is he a nice guy?” kind of way, it’s more of a… “Does he behave in a way that turns me on?” sort of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:17 AM
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I understand this, but it is just fundamentally weird to be asking it on a first date. Even 2-3 months I can understand. I had a guy tell me on the first date he was planning to move his mother over from India, and he explicitly asked me if I would be okay participating in her care. Generational elderly care is even expected in the culture I’m from, but I was a bit taken aback that he asked this of me. I try to get to know people on the first date, them as a person, not treat them like checkboxe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:29 PM
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“Do you like to cook" ≠ “Are you the type of person who will share domestic labor”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:40 PM
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On the first date is crazy omg. Maybe like first 3-6 months. But a first DATE, I do not want to feel like we are both just checking each others’ lists off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:36 PM
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My situation was a bit different because I was given a free pass to his apartment. That’s where I studied after I got out of class. It was close to my university, it was a quiet place to do what I needed to do while he was at work. So I never had to tell him if I stopped by, I always had permission to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:34 PM
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I mean this I can understand. If it comes up as a shared hobby, you’re not really screening it as an “expectation” per se, you’re using context and experience to know that this man will likely pull his weight. You know what I mean? But the OP is suggesting that we screen by asking for photos of his bedroom and bathroom and food lol. He told me further down in the comments that I should ask for proof on a first date. Like zero people will take that well, men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:30 PM
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I would never propose to a man, and I would not want to be proposed to publicly. I was proposed to at the top of a mountain ridge in Hawaii. Just us and the amazing scenery, not even a photographer. But other people should do whatever floats their boat!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:19 PM
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What is dominance? Like authority?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:16 PM
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Again, I am taking about early in dating / first few dates because that’s the scenario presented by the OP….
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:05 PM
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I didn’t ask at all, I just went over to his place randomly after he gave me a key. It was clean whenever I stopped by without letting him know, so I knew he was clean enough. The OP is literally telling me to ask it on the first date, lol, yeh that’s insane behavior to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:02 PM
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Well I specified “beginning stages of dating” in my OC, and the OP is currently telling me that I should be asking men about this on the first date. So I got the impression that he is asking women why we do not screen for this early in dating, including it in the initial screening for height, education, looks, him paying for the date, etc. (as he gave examples of in his OP). But I agree with you that you should assess this at some point if it’s important to you. Like I said earlier, I assessed f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:33 PM
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Ya idk I cannot relate to this, it would be like a man I’m starting to date asking me if I would ever dead bedroom him and how much I’m willing to have sex with him per week. Like it’s a valid preference, but a complete lack of social understanding to ask it just like that on the first or second date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:10 PM
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That is my personal set circumstances. I don’t complain that I do 100% of the cooking because I actively choose it for myself. But I’m answering the question in your OP according to “women.” I’m telling you that whether a man cooks or cleans does not mean he won’t expect you to do most of it upon moving in together, and also that women will not ask this upon starting to date him. It would be like if a man I was starting to date asked me if I felt like women should have sex with her husband at le…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:06 PM
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Yep 100% — it’s all for show lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:00 PM
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What he likes to eat and what his favorite recipes are, and even that he cooks for himself, are not assessing whether that man will share that responsibility upon moving in together. My father will answer what he likes to eat and that he has favorite recipes he likes to cook. Most of the domestic labor still fell on my mom because that’s what he expected in their culture. Personally I don’t give a shit whether a man can cook, there is no man on earth I’d want to cook for me. I’m not dating him s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:56 PM
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I stand by my statement that women do not ask a man in the beginning dating stages if he believes in domestic chore equality lol. It’s an autistic question to ask on the first few dates. There are probably women who ask as the relationship gets more serious, or they observe how cleanly he is on a regular basis like how I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:51 PM
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Well if we’re talking personally, I don’t ask at all about cooking. I don’t give a shit whether that man can cook, I do 100% of the cooking in my household. There is no man on earth who I would want to cook for me. As far as cleaning, that’s what stopping randomly at his place is for. As long as he’s not a hoarder or excessively messy then I don’t care, I would also prefer to do the cleaning. My fiancé’s preference is to hire a cleaning service so that his future wife isn’t doing it, so idk, we’…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:46 PM
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“Are you willing to share the duties of cooking and cleaning within a relationship?” Yes this will come off like an interview question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:34 PM
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I have never asked a man on a first date what he does for work or how much money he makes lol. People fundamentally do not like when their date treats them like an interviewer hiring for a job. I have the social competency to know these questions will make men rightfully feel uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:27 PM
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There is no woman who will ask a man if he can cook or clean in the beginning dating stages. That’s insane and not normal. It’s something you talk about when you’re ready to move in together, and by that point you’ve been together for probably a year or more. When men do not meet those expectations upon moving in, your choices are to break up or decide if you’re okay doing a larger share of domestic labor. Those relationships fall apart and those women are convinced that being in a relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:16 PM
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Yeah that’s fair, like feeling connection to family and ancestry. I still think that’s different to the male feeling of “legacy” like their mark or impact upon the world, proof of their genetic significance. It’s like exclusively a male talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:55 PM
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Because most of us in Anglosphere countries are not ESL and we understand this perfectly well, lol. Is that not obvious? When you’re a native speaker and grow up in western culture, you can understand different connotations of English words.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:17 PM
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Women don’t have kids for “legacy” lmao that’s male solipsism. Women that have kids or want kids have them for a very simple reason: we want to. The idea of having a family makes us happy. So even if you have a loving, supportive man, pregnancy is not worth it if it doesn’t inspire that joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:02 PM
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“Bad personality” is short for bad social fluency, tactless, dull, boring, basically parts of personality that have to do with how you interact socially. It’s not a statement about moral character, and tbh I’m routinely surprised that this has to be clarified. Like connotatively in the context of dating, what “bad personality” means has always been unattractive personality…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:56 PM
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Years of women making it publicly known that they don’t want to be approached while they are running errands or doing solo gym workouts should have clued you in on this. It’s common sense that if you aren’t in an environment that invites socializing, you’re going to be treated like a cold calling salesperson. Which you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:47 PM
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I’ve never seen anyone get approached in a grocery store in my entire life Why would you? You're there to get groceries, not stake out to watch for women getting approached lol. I've had men approach me at the grocery store. Sometimes they were the ones working there, sometimes it was other customers. I've only had one bad experience, where some like gross threatening 40-yo (ish) man was putting his hands on me, touching my shoulder and neck. When those women ask "Why aren't men approaching?" th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:08 PM
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Good morning only to people who: Take showers at night before they get in bed Don't have to work weekends Take some sort of prescription psychoactive medication, OR Went through 3+ years of having no dates, sex, or a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:49 PM
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Why would I do that, I don't date women. For bi women that will work, but I'm gonna be so real — I don't concern myself with what other straight women are doing because I have no reason to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:38 PM
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Yah, what I’m saying is that’s why men have “watch what women do” as advice, and the inverse also exists for female oriented dating communities like RPW and even FDS. Re: women calling other women out, research shows women have a stronger in-group bias than men. Idk about you, but I often see that when women lead men on and financially use them. “Getting the bag” and “it’s the guy’s fault for not having boundaries” are common sentiments, even tho objectively that’s poor behavior on the part of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:13 PM
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Men acting like male romance novel characters only works if he’s in a relationship with a woman already, and trying to get her horny. You’re asking inexperienced men to do a larp. It won’t work for them, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:51 PM
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With outward presenting behaviors, like being an e-whore or when women openly salivate over violent men, that’s easy to spot. But how am I supposed to know which women lose their convictions just for dick? I don’t expect (straight) women to know how other women behave in the presence of a man or in a relationship, and that even goes for non-bad behavior. Like I’m very driven in my academic and professional life, and so it usually comes as a surprise to other women that I choose a lot of traditio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:45 PM
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She’s a woman, but yeh the 6in question is a rage bait question lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:05 PM
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Okay! Is it possible to hyperlink that image so people know what you’re referencing? And then copy this post to a new one, resubmit it, and I’ll approve.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:58 PM
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This post has been changed to Question For Men to avoid circle jerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:09 PM
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u/Capital_Bet_6998 Is this AI? This needs to be removed before this post is approved. (image shows more toilets for women)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:07 PM
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Why is this perspective any less valid? There's merit in being discerning over what advice applies, and one's ability to say, "No thank you, that will not work for me" and move on. In fact that's even nicer than what I said in my original comment, which was to call them retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:53 PM
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How is your social life otherwise? When I was in grad school I would go out with people from the lab I did research for. I wasn’t single during this time, but it easily was a time/space for single people to interact and flirt with the opposite sex in a low stakes environment (and they often did).
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 03:34 PM
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I think you should be honest with yourself. It's not like you were intent on committing to your situationship either — you describe him as a safety net when you didn't have good options. You should have put up boundaries with yourself, that if he's not something you truly wanted, you shouldn't have continued to engage. But what's done is done, there is only one direction to go now, which is forward. If you're not flirty on dates and seem guarded and distant, men who are socially and sexually per…
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/26 03:18 PM
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If I were arguing with a person making a post that gives that advice, I would be telling them it's bad advice, and have done so on this subreddit plenty of times. I even did it under other comments in this very post. As it stands, the OP made this post. I am speaking to him and to this general state of mind. At the end of the day, you can only control your own actions. I find it bizarre that you think this is an either/or scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:05 PM
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I didn’t say it doesn’t matter. My point is that this advice does not apply, so not to take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:41 PM
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Well yeah I agree, that’s why I’m flaired red pill. However not all men who are lonely are red pill; there are mopey blue pill, no pill, and black pill men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:05 PM
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To some extent I treated interaction like a logic puzzle to be solved with a formula. I was undersocialized due to having helicopter parents, and when I went off to college, I had a hard time adjusting. At this time I started working at a coffee shop and, later, luxury retail. I watched how the top advisors interacted with clientele down to discussion topics, tone, phrasing, expression… and emulated it with success. I feel like a lot of human social interaction is somewhat formulaic, and relies …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:10 PM
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The point of the sub is to debate whatever the OP brings forward, broadly dating and gender dynamics, but skewed toward a place that is red v. blue. He is not flaired as red pill nor did he bring up any red pill points, so it’s not relevant here imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:46 PM
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It’s not practical advice and I tell people that straight up. But yes, I understand how and why that’s frustrating. At the same time, people (online) don’t want improvement advice either; they want someone to take them as they are, which is currently not working out. Not being happy single, and not wanting to improve are not reconcilable imo. It’s used in debate because the other direction — “I am lonely and I want someone to accept me like this” — is not really debatable either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:41 PM
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While I agree in theory with your post, why does this advice even matter to you? Just call them retarded and move on. People should really not be putting a lot of stock into advice from people whose goals are fundamentally different than yours. They want to be happy single, so let them. You don’t, so don’t take that advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:16 PM
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He’s saying you can have those things and still feel lonely/bad in the romance department specifically. I think that’s a normal feeling. Advice like “just be happy about being single” hits differently if you know you can find someone relatively easily if you wanted to, vs. really struggling even when you try. One of my dad’s good friends is like that. He’s proud of what he achieved in life, he’s got a good social support system. He just feels like he is missing something from life having reach m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:09 PM
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Omg congrats, Sarai! Wishing you both the best 💖
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:17 AM
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Men who are attractive to me, which is a wide range. I don’t really have a type aside from behaviorally. Assertive, decisive, takes initiative, witty, charismatic. Introverted/reserved strongly preferred. Anyway, middle class to upper middle class, college educated, family man and wants marriage and kids, like what you’d normally think of a typical American suburban dad. I hated the idea of using apps so I always dated in my social circles. Pros are that men are largely pre-vetted, like they wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:04 AM
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I’m currently planning a wedding, and a secondhand dress alone is like $700-2000 😭 But also, I’ve been saving up for a wedding since I was like 22 lol, I’ve always been one of “those girls.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:07 PM
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They don’t have to be, yeah. But even inexpensive weddings are a few thousand. Getting married is cheap tho! Like $70 for a marriage license in my state.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:11 PM
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The rule is a staple from when it used to be mainly married women posting there, because Reddit has a fascination with telling people to just up and leave their spouse, when the online audience is only seeing one small snapshot of their relationship (the post in question). The mods at RPW are fairly balanced about applying that rule — we get a lot of girlfriends posting about their abusive boyfriends, and in those situations the only appropriate response is to leave. But if the post is like… “My…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:25 PM
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I cannot imagine going on a date with a man and he starts making fart jokes. I’d be like… why…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:14 PM
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I cannot say I see people going, “I can’t afford to have kids so I might as well just hook up with people instead.” Rather, I think people who choose hookups vs. commitment just do not want commitment, period. They simply do not want to be tied down with another person, they don’t want to have to consider another person to the extent that a committed relationship would require. It comes down to personal preference, and they gather where hookups are easiest to obtain, which is OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:25 PM
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Being committed and wanting (and affording) kids are two separate things. A wedding can be expensive. Commitment is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:00 PM
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If that man agrees to be friends, he needs to manage his own feelings and boundaries. If he can't, he shouldn't have agreed to be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:43 PM
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Right, and I said I think he is a victim in those cases. Being a user is not restricted to just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:39 PM
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I think he is a victim, and could also be a moron in some cases. In the post where that conversation took place, the scenario is that the woman rejected him already. So if he was rejected, he should know better than to continue doing things for her. At the same time, the woman shouldn’t take advantage of his feelings in order to get gifts, favors, etc. because she’s using him. She should have more integrity than that. It would be like if a man told me he didn’t want a relationship with me, yet I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:13 PM
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Being yourself does not mean you have to be combative. You can just say okay and move on. Confidence is only in reference to yourself, how you feel about your own abilities or judgement. What other people think should not matter. Confidence is about internally derived validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:53 PM
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No, I don't think confidence requires more risk and bravery. Confidence is self-assuredness, being comfortable in one's own skin. The quality you are describing is assertiveness and positive risk taking, which is not the same, though people who do this are often confident of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:04 PM
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So you are agreeing with my point that it is modern men who say things like that? And that still does not explain modern men hitting on minors, modern men having higher rates of violence compared to women, modern men admitting to lying to women otherwise she wouldn't sleep with him, etc. In response, women are punishing men... how? By choosing not to date them? Choosing not to sleep with them? Choosing to cross the street when a man is walking behind her at night? Exercising one's own personal f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:53 PM
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If we take confidence to mean self-assuredness and being comfortable talking to women, flirting with them, etc., I'm not sure why the digital age is relevant to that. Male disadvantage in dating is not caused by any one preference. It's that men as a group are less selective than women as a group, which creates imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:45 PM
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Women treat modern men as morally suspect because it's modern men who start hitting on us when we're minors, it's modern men calling women hypergamous and incapable of love, it is modern men who make assertions like, "If she really liked me as much as the other guy, she would agree to let me harm her (sexually, emotionally) like he did." Not all men, etc., but the men who do exist today. In this timeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:34 PM
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Transphobic how? For that matter there are also a lot of women, rad fems, conservatives, etc. who are perfectly nice and kind people but fundamentally do not agree with transgenderism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:27 PM
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Hello. Your title needs to be non-question title. I am happy to approve this, but it must abide by subreddit posting guidelines.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:24 PM
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Oh, the balloon popping dating game. So, from memory I know which one you're talking about - the one where he walks in and pops the trans woman's balloon, and then most of the (cis) women pop their own balloon. Most straight men are going to understand that the man's reaction was abrupt and lacking tact, but they are also not going to see anything wrong with rejecting a trans woman right off the bat. I mean... straight men are not attracted to trans women, in fact it gives them the ick, so addin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:21 PM
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Of course, no woman here will ever admit that because it would render their whole narrative about what a man is supposed to be like in this day and age worthless. Those of us who are honest about what we like are verbally abused for it by the men on this subreddit. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:57 PM
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Sure. It is in the subreddit wiki that goes more into detail on the rules and posting guidelines: Posts with a link must provide sufficient information and a summary from the source that users can understand the perspective of the OP without extensive reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:53 PM
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Videos cannot illustrate a point anyway in this subreddit. A synopsis or line should be included so that people don't have to click a link to understand your argument. Meaning, it is against posting rules of this subreddit to rely on a video or other external source to illustrate your point. It needs to be summarized in your OP so that people know what you are arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:28 PM
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I don't think n-count limits are as strict as people make them seem. Most often it'll be relative to all the other qualities they find desirable. Like, let's say a man has a n-count limit of 8, and then he meets a woman who ticks off every other box he's looking for, except her n-count is 9. He's still going to date her because that one body is not going to overpower everything else. He may even date her at n=10 (or more). But if she's some whatever woman who only has a few other qualities he va…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:25 PM
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Right, so I am questioning why you think these men are dipshits? Also most people are not watching that video. I didn't even open it. Videos cannot illustrate a point anyway in this subreddit. A synopsis or line should be included so that people don't have to click a link to understand your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:16 PM
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I don't think it's an either/or situation. I think people can feel all those takeaways from that action, including leadership/initiative and care. I am just explaining to the woman above me when/why paying for something is qualified as "beta" within red pill, and when it's not. In fact I was surprised because she is flaired Red Pill Woman, so I would expect her to know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:07 PM
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No one is saying selfish men who lack boundaries are bad guys. They're just not actually nice if they're doing the scenario presented in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:03 PM
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Paying for something is a proxy for leadership and initiative most of the time, which is actually what women are looking for. Like there's a difference between going on a date and the man automatically offers to pick up the bill, which indicates something like 'I got this, I'm taking charge.' Compare this to a woman saying, "Pay for this date," and he does only because she told him to, which is beta. That's a turn off, right, like women don't want to tell a man to buy her flowers. She wants him …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:53 PM
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It’s because he is a prolific AI user.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:29 PM
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I personally don’t think love and attraction are the results of being Chad, which is what most men want, even the unselected men. They can be nasty here, but do you think that’s how they are off this subreddit? Im nasty here sometimes, so are you, so are a lot of men and women who are still romantically successful. How do you know they’re not competent? Like it’s a judgement call over the internet; we’re not seeing anything about their actual life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:23 PM
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I think you’re getting this wrong. The men who complain about masculinity are still engaging in it because they prioritize having a romantic partner and/or a sex life. If you are’t masculine, like if you’re a feminine man, your dating prospects will go down. And frankly, all of the more attractive women I know still adhere to wanting masculine men. Like a man who takes initiative, takes charge, is assertive, competent, decisive, etc. You can do all of those things you listed as being an adult, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:50 PM
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I think you’re getting this wrong. The men who complain about masculinity are still engaging in it because they prioritize having a romantic partner and/or a sex life. If you are’t masculine, like if you’re a feminine man, your dating prospects will go down. And frankly, all of the more attractive women I know still adhere to wanting masculine men. Like a man who takes initiative, takes charge, is assertive, competent, decisive, etc. You can do all of those things you listed as being an adult, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:50 PM
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Because it’s not an answer to my question, it’s a dodge.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:08 PM
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No I just think women are really retarded for thinking it is common for a man to leave his wife just because they read that men think young women are beautiful, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:06 PM
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I didn’t either and I put that in my answer. I said men will be attracted to young women, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t attracted to his wife. Women are just less attractive as they age and them’s the breaks. I told you this too when you posted. The OP then told me that men leaving was a trope for a reason, just like you did in your post on RPW. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:05 PM
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That’s because you are a normal western man. Being a slut has never been about body count anyway. It’s a vibe usually tied to appearance, and whether that person is making the details of their sex life public.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:03 AM
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It does make them feel powerful in a way, because they think a woman will break any and all sexual boundaries for an attractive man. Ergo, if he somehow manages to get her to break that boundary — even if he pestered her until she gave in — it's a status booster for him as "that guy." She could be in tears and in pain, and these men will take pleasure in it. Men conceptualize a woman's boundaries as "if she won't do it for me, she doesn't like me as much as the ex." Except when it is HIS boundar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:12 AM
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Omg I also had shrimp tacos. Twinsies
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:19 AM
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Men think this applies carte blanche to sex, which is where they get the erroneous idea that a woman who is not willing to do anything for you does not like you. This leads to men pushing boundaries because they think if a woman really liked you, she would do it. And that is where women get the idea that men are coercive and rapey, and take pleasure in pushing boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:57 PM
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This is what men do not understand. Women are okay doing something for his pleasure so long as it doesn’t disgust her or harm her in a way that she doesn’t like. Sucking dick is in this area commonly, where it is more or less neutral. When women flat out say no, it’s because she hasn’t tried it and the idea disgusts her, or she tried it because she has no strong feelings about it prior to trying it, but then came to find that she didn’t like it after trying it. Things like anal and choking commo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:54 PM
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The whole thing is a fantasy yes. Women are willing to try things when she has not done them before and is adventurous in her sex life. It is nothing to do with Brad or Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:11 PM
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My stance is that women will try things if they want, and if they decide they don’t like it, they won’t be doing it again. When men recieve a “no thank you, I don’t want to do that,” they project their insecurities and say she’s not doing it just because she likes him less. I’ve layered this in facetious language because this sentiment is almost always coupled with “She would do it for Chad,” rather than, “It makes me feel insecure but that’s my own problem to deal with, I should respect the fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:00 PM
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That’s a fantasy created by losery men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:31 PM
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Low rent behavior from the women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:57 PM
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It’s especially hilarious when people submitting posts leave their AI prompts in the text. Like deadass just leaving them in there LMAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:41 PM
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Says the person still replying
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:12 PM
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And I will lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:12 PM
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No, honey, that’s you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:49 PM
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