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That’s why I wouldn’t suggest to read MM book to a newcomer. It might be a fun read for when you want to see something different, but it doesn’t teach anything useful. Worse, it creates hordes of newbies interpreting any girl reaction/rejection as a “shit test”. Agreed with all your points. MM is good to read and understand from a historical/theoretical perspective, but it's not far from useless in practice. It's not something I'd encourage as a first, second, or third book.
/r/seduction22/03/21 03:44 PM
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The structure is probably the major thing to take away, but it's much less linear in reality. The jargon is entertaining. DHVs were a very clunky, not very fleshed out way of understanding that there are certain traits much more attractive to women. But, like with everything else, the book approaches it as an outer game technique, rather than something that comes from internal transformation.
/r/seduction21/03/21 05:21 PM
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Knowing how to balance hard and soft dominance, yes. So much of this stuff is about mindset and beliefs. I'd really recommend krauserpua or Steve Jabba about this sort of thing. Most of the advice circulating, at least when I was more into the "community," or whatever you call it, was very "outer game" focused. Stand here, say this, do this. Bobby Rio's Make Small Talk Sexy (is that even sold anymore?) really reminds me of this paradigm.
/r/seduction21/03/21 03:07 AM
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MM is 20 years old at this point. The theoretical underpinnings it has are, shockingly, still pretty good. But, the physical "action" elements of it are badly outdated. Models is very good. Steve Jabba's Primal Seduction is actually better, but not nearly as well known.
/r/seduction21/03/21 01:41 AM
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Where do you usually go to cold approach? You said clothing store, so I guess, malls, city centers, shopping miles. Do you try to go to places where people don't wear masks like parks atm? All of those are good options. How many approaches did you have to do to see your first results? Do you go for sex on the first date usually? Tough to tell. Some guys get lucky and sleep with the first woman they approach. The old rule of thumb is that it takes about 100 sets to build some ability.
/r/seduction21/03/21 01:37 AM
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Say what you see. This is part of being turned on and noticing people. For example, a woman walking down the street in a black and white striped shirt: "Hi, I was just walking over there and I thought you looked very cute. Are you a burglar by any chance?" Something like that.
/r/seduction21/03/21 01:35 AM
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Mindset and it's not particularly close. On the most basic of levels, fundamentally loving and respecting women. That doesn't mean pedestalizing them. It doesn't mean putting up with someone giving you shit time after time. It means appreciating women for what they are and loving their feminine qualities. The way you develop this sense is by leveraging your reference experiences and understanding that you are attractive to women.
/r/seduction21/03/21 01:31 AM
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Yes, there are ways to force IOIs. You can be really blunt about it (i.e. stare her up and down) or a lot more subtle (flexing your arm if you have a large biceps).
/r/seduction15/12/19 04:00 AM
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I will answer your question, but I think giving you a bit of life advice first is better: The fact that I just sat in my dorm 24/7 for this semester makes me a bit depressed Then why are you doing it? Go join a student organization or a club. Start working out 3-4 times a week (check out r/weightroom if you want suggestions). Find other things to do that don't force you to be alone all the time. I understand how isolating that can feel; I've dealt with it many times myself! As for your lack of s…
/r/seduction15/12/19 01:06 AM
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I like this post, honestly. It is not even necessary to "push" to become natural. It will inevitably happen as the technique lessons are internalized and you function more and more by instinct and less and less by consciously following a technique. Yep, that's my experience too. The only tough part about this is that sometimes you start hitting a wall and have to go back and re-evaluate exactly what happened and what's going on. I'm a very big fan of the London Daygame guys, if they even still e…
/r/seduction11/12/19 12:08 AM
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Buy a Bathmate! There are ways to make your penis look larger. One common trick used in the porn industry is shaving public hair.
/r/seduction20/05/19 07:15 PM
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You should derive value from who you are as a man. It's about developing a sense of entitlement based on your prior accomplishments and abilities. I have this sense of entitlement because I've managed to have multiple beautiful women in my life, plus I can give them experiences that other men absolutely cannot.
/r/seduction09/04/18 04:17 PM
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Street, seriously try it.
/r/seduction09/04/18 05:42 AM
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Methods you have to figure out yourself. Dating Skills Review has a pretty comprehensive list.
/r/seduction09/04/18 04:28 AM
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There are so many parts to this question that it's tough to answer. It really depends on: What's the culture like? Where is the apartment vs. where are the dorms? Can you realistically pull from an apartment vs. from a dorm?
/r/seduction09/04/18 04:26 AM
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Bro just stop giving a fuck about their feelings and try to fuck them as soon as possable. This is horrible advice. Like it or not, women are people too and part of a skillful escalation involves having an awareness and empathy for her emotional state. If you're interested in being a "dark triad" guy who fucks low quality (emotionally or physically low quality) women, then this is great advice. If you want to be able to look yourself in the eye in the morning, it's bad advice.
/r/seduction09/04/18 04:19 AM
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I don't think everything they teach is wrong (there are very few people whom I think that about). I'm naturally not a very high-energy person, so talking to a ton of people in a night is not a great strategy for me. The issue with state hunting is that, the more you do it, the less effective it becomes. At some point, you need to embrace what some call "stateless game," basically just playing with whatever hand you're dealt.
/r/seduction31/03/18 12:18 AM
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Spam approaching, the constant state-hunting, "beasting," and the absolutely horrific claw technique spring readily to mind. Spam approaching is a form of avoidance.
/r/seduction30/03/18 08:21 PM
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Look at his post history.
/r/seduction30/03/18 06:36 PM
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This guy is a PUA weirdo numpty. The RSD obsession is one of the biggest signs. RSD material has good things about it, but some of its material is outright idiotic.
/r/seduction30/03/18 04:46 PM
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I really really really want to improve my skills and confidence with girls...and getting laid is what will do it, I have actually been considering getting some "help" from someone else to sort of boost my ego. Other guys have talked about the other parts of your post, but I want to make one thing very clear. GAME AND SEX WILL NOT MAKE YOU HAPPY. Everyone thinks once he's fucked x number of women, he'll be happy. Bullshit. Some of the most fucked up people I know have had sex with quite a number …
/r/seduction30/03/18 12:59 AM
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Call me nuts, but if you're boasting to strangers on the internet, you're none of the things you claim to be. Big baller bullshit detected. As a friend of mine has said, a 10 in a field report is a 7 who fucks you.
/r/seduction30/03/18 12:54 AM
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Experience. There are some very basic cues you can normally pick up on (crop top, eye shimmer, walk, etc.), but more often than not, you have to learn via doing.
/r/seduction30/03/18 12:53 AM
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Bluntly? Social proof is almost completely unnecessary. If we're in a bar, I don't know you, and you're the guy who knows the bartender and four other people, I probably don't recognize you. Like it or not, that's the way humans are wired. I wish guys would get away from a lot of the paint by number Mystery Method stuff.
/r/seduction30/03/18 12:51 AM
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Muh "Looksmax!" No shit, being taller is useful. That's why you should try to wear a shoe with a heel. I'm about 5'11", but I wear boots that make me look 6'1. Height isn't everything.
/r/seduction22/03/18 07:46 PM
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On a very basic level, seduction stopped following a paint by number system and became about dealing with women on a natural, minute by minute basis. Depending on who it is, guys stopped selling the "get any girl you want" myth. Mark Manson got married. A lot of smaller companies have closed, not able to handle a contracting market. The number of charlatans remains pretty high. Jon Sinn looks to have quit.
/r/seduction21/03/18 06:19 AM
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If it's going badly, there's no way for one of you to excuse yourselves politely. High pressure? I'd have hoped it's obvious. She's stuck across the table from you for at least an hour...
/r/seduction21/03/18 05:53 AM
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They're fun to read and they've a lot of really great information. I've definitely experienced the same kinds of shit he has, though not as extreme.
/r/seduction18/03/18 08:49 PM
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Krauser is exceptional and has been a huge influence on me. Take a look at Bodi PUA as well. He's Krauser's friend but has written two really excellent memoirs. I'm probably an early intermediate myself. I made mistakes when I was still doing this kind of thing on a regular basis (LTR now that I've mixed feelings about), but I generally was able to spot them upon reflection.
/r/seduction18/03/18 04:25 PM
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If she touches you at all, she's interested. There are some contextual things too (standing closer, eyes, etc.). I'd be cautious about someone from work. You don't know if it can blow up or not.
/r/seduction18/03/18 04:22 PM
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Don't fucking do it. Don't do cold approach in HS. Hell, I was stupid and did it in college, which I shouldn't have.
/r/seduction18/03/18 04:20 PM
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Do not ask her on a dinner date. It's fairly high pressure and doesn't allow one of you to escape if necessary. I've gone for coffee that's turned into a walk that ended up with drinking and sex, so it's just a matter of transitioning well. You don't have to drink coffee at a coffee shop... they serve other beverages.
/r/seduction18/03/18 03:53 PM
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Sure, feel free to send me a message. I've been out of it for awhile (LTR), but have a fair amount of day game experience.
/r/seduction18/03/18 03:52 PM
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Having to be drunk to be effective is a problem and indicative of inner game issues. Most men are able to approach women drunk, few can do it sober. That doesn't mean you shouldn't drink at all, because that's just stupid. Realistically, at night, there's about a 2-3 hr window in which something can happen. After a certain amount of time passes, either the girls have been approached so many times that they're unresponsive, or they've gone home. For actionable advice, drink mildly in the beginnin…
/r/seduction22/01/18 09:12 PM
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I've had two of these in my life, one when I was 15 and the other when I was 19. The one at 15 made me get into all this stuff; the one at 19 broke me so badly that it completely reshaped who I am. I'll talk about the one at 19, as it's more applicable. This girl broke up with me in early-mid December, we went home for Christmas, and then I saw her a few times around campus the first week. She actually lived in my building at the time. Anyway, she's at the first party of the year, we start talki…
/r/seduction21/01/18 08:37 PM
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Try to relate to them. Maybe you like a particular sport (baseball or whatever), don't be afraid to talk about it. Most men are pretty comfortable talking about sports. Or seriously, women. Talk about women. There's not a straight man I know who doesn't like talking about women. Talk about the women at the bar.
/r/seduction29/12/17 03:55 AM
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It may be a function of your facial expression. I naturally have a fairly stern, grim expression, so girls will be intimidated by me. Try smiling a little bit more and see how that works.
/r/seduction21/08/17 04:59 AM
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You have to be "turned on" to notice IOIs. You have to actively scan for them and be aware of them. For whatever reason, I become more aware after I drink.
/r/seduction20/08/17 08:21 PM
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If you do it in a socially calibrated way, that's fine. Going in with this huge direct opener and putting a ton of pressure on her is not the way to go.
/r/seduction12/08/17 05:45 PM
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It sounds like a mindset issue. You don't have the reference experiences to create a sense of entitlement, so you don't feel entitled to attractive women. Seriously, what are your core beliefs about women and dating?
/r/seduction10/08/17 04:06 AM
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again though, i do want to mention, there are some decent PUAs out there. i have a friend who no longer does any coaching or public PUA stuff but is a genuinely great guy and his style of pickup is super natural.. hes not an alcoholic and does not put on a alter personality with women. hes totally himself all the time.. However, he used to get flack when he would try to help others out because people would blame his success on things such as "oh you're tall, you got good looks, of course itll be…
/r/seduction08/08/17 07:37 PM
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This is something really important to note. Yes, I know putting it in raw feels a hell of a lot better. Use a fucking condom. Or, if you can't be bothered, at least try to protect yourself in other ways. Get vaccinated against HPV (men can get this too now!), which protects against the four most common strains. Get STD tested regularly (a good rule is every 3 or 4 months).
/r/seduction08/08/17 07:31 PM
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Interesting, but sadly not unexpected. A lot of guys who get into PUA (myself included) have a lot of baggage that they deal with either through the process of seducing women or through other means (alcohol, drugs, etc.).
/r/seduction08/08/17 07:23 PM
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Models by Mark Manson is a good starting point, but the practical advice isn't the best. Mystery Method is allegedly important on a "meta-level," though I've never found much value in it. Honestly, don't worry too much about what to read. Read one or two things, then go out and do it. Don't have the armchair PUA phase (like I did) where you're constantly "studying." For every hour you spend reading about this stuff, spend 3 or more hours doing it. Go on YouTube and look at some of the RSD stuff.…
/r/seduction07/08/17 06:48 PM
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I think you're asking the wrong kind of question. You shouldn't worry about what a funny/interesting response would be. What you say really doesn't matter, as long as you're not being bizarre or tremendously offensive. If I were forced at gunpoint to come up with a response, you could say something like "sure, you're going to help me find other men tonight" or something cheeky like that. If you have to respond, agree and amplify. Although, I think lots of those traits are only perceivable to wom…
/r/seduction06/08/17 09:39 PM
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Eventually, you reach a point where you start to develop your own style within a particular framework. Mark Manson, Zan, etc. are good guys to learn from, but you're right that you have to start forging your own path and style. Game is by nature paradoxical. There's nothing wrong with having a girlfriend.
/r/seduction06/08/17 08:46 PM
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Whatever is congruent with what you're feeling. I think there's way too much emphasis on "say these things" and not enough on actually letting things flow. That being said, for a guy with no clue what to say, make a cheeky remark about her and follow with a real compliment.
/r/seduction06/08/17 08:35 PM
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You're correctly taking issue with the fact that PUA/game/whatever you call it has a lot of self-congratulatory masturbation. There's a huge validation trap involved, most notably the idea of "lay count" or "notch count." I'm certainly not beyond that, but I'm trying to get away from it myself in favor of a more balanced approach. I think the answer is twofold. First, game won't make you happy. Second, if all you're interested in is fucking women, you probably have other issues in your life. To …
/r/seduction06/08/17 08:33 PM
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I've explained precisely why that is in my response. It's not "one type of manliness," it's having core masculine traits.
/r/seduction06/08/17 08:08 PM
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NoFap isn't meant to be taken in the cultic way that it is. It's designed to boost your sex drive, which should make you more spontaneous and in the moment, rather than thinking about "say this, do this."
/r/seduction06/08/17 08:00 PM
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Wow, the numpties are really out in force. Masculine/feminine polarity is not being ultramasculine in the frat boy douchebag way. It's having a strong masculine core, based on key principles such as: Desire and loving women Reference experiences A sense of positive entitlement (that is, based on reality) Social intelligence Dominance This is being masculine. Again, you don't have to be Chad Thundercock (6 foot 2, 235 lbs of muscle) to have these qualities. Look at Tom Torero. Look at Yad. Hell, …
/r/seduction06/08/17 07:58 PM
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You're fucked. Having a strong masculine/feminine polarity is critical, and if you're getting those responses, you don't have it.
/r/seduction06/08/17 03:36 PM
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Most of the best guys are not giving bootcamps/teaching/giving speeches. PUA, as a business, is pretty saturated. That being said, it usually works something like this: Develop a reputation for whatever. Back in the old days, when things were concentrated on a few forums, you could do "field reports" and become known that way. Now, you have to post videos and demonstrate that you're remotely competent. Develop a relationship with other guys in your area. Be invited to give speeches/presentations…
/r/seduction06/08/17 03:35 PM
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Look at her, appreciate her beauty... and think about what she'd look like if you're railing her. Sounds crude, but it works.
/r/seduction06/08/17 03:32 PM
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It's expensive, though I'd recommend Krauser's Daygame Mastery.
/r/TheRedPill06/08/17 03:30 PM
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You're creating a false dichotomy, which is all too common for the "muh LOOKSMAX" crew. It's not be a balding fatass or Brad Pitt.
/r/TheRedPill06/08/17 03:28 PM
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Do you honestly believe that looks don't matter for men? No, I said that looks are less important than most men think. Go back to Sluthate.
/r/TheRedPill06/08/17 03:26 PM
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You need a therapist. Your thinking is disturbingly paranoid and not indicative of a healthy mindset. You're an "oldcel" because of the way you think, not because you're "subhuman" or were a "NEET." Plenty of guys go through university without getting laid.
/r/TheRedPill06/08/17 04:36 AM
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Good points. Looks are so much less important than most men (read: the SlutHate losers) want to believe. Yes, if you're a fat, pimply slob, you're probably not going to do all that well. If you look anything close to normal, nobody cares. Women aren't studying your fucking angles.
/r/TheRedPill06/08/17 04:33 AM
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First thing you have to do is get on a good lifting program and lose the weight. Losing fat/gaining muscle will do a lot of good for your self-confidence. But, until you manage to do that, try to wear clothing that doesn't draw attention to it.
/r/seduction06/08/17 04:28 AM
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You probably have some anxiety issue, so consider therapy. Now, beyond that: stop masturbating regularly. Choose one day a week to do it, and stick to it. It's like a diet. Start going to the gym. Gain some muscle. You'd be shocked what that does to your confidence (I'm speaking from personal experience here).
/r/seduction06/08/17 04:26 AM
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This is an inner game issue, and one that I've struggled with for some time now. At its core, game (or seduction, however you want to phrase it) has a contradiction: fuck tons of women, but find quality women. The issue is that you have to unite the contradiction and morph yourself into a man of steel and velvet (see the Aubrey Andelin book Man of Steel and Velvet). This is not an easy thing to do, but there are ways to do it. Krauser has some good articles on this kind of thing. Start here, and…
/r/seduction31/07/17 10:09 PM
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Off the top of my head, go look at some more recent RSD stuff. You can also look at Tom Torero's channel. KrauserPUA is a bit more cerebral and for more advanced guys.
/r/seduction26/07/17 09:18 PM
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Yes. The book is very good for "inner game," the "outer game" part is not good.
/r/seduction26/07/17 02:57 PM
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At 6'4," 150, I'm assuming you fall in the "underweight" BMI category. Yes, BMI isn't useful for judging muscular people, but you're not very muscular. I have no idea how old you are, but 2500 kcal isn't enough. 2400 is my base level. You need at least 400 kcal over maintenance to grow, and if you're as underweight as you are, probably more than that. Build your way up to drinking at least 1/2 gallon of milk per day (ideally whole milk). This isn't forever, this isn't for the rest of your life, …
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:17 AM
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Is this daygame related? State-shifting can be helpful. Alternatively, you just accept "first one is the worst one" and go ahead and do it.
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:12 AM
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No. It's useful in terms of overall masculine development. The physical "action" advice in it isn't nearly as good or applicable. Walking away from congruence tests encourages avoidance.
/r/seduction26/07/17 06:01 AM
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It varies. When I'm in a relationship (like now), 0. When I'm actively trying to get new leads, probably 20 or so, depending on where I am. One of my big issues is that I'll have periods where I'll go really hard, and then I'll burn out and take a week or so off. I imagine that's normal, but maybe if I were less "balls to the wall" to start, I'd probably be able to milk my better periods longer and minimize the valleys.
/r/seduction21/07/17 08:10 PM
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There's a ton of them. Tom Torero Nick Krauser Daygame.com Jon Matrix Steve Jabba Johnny Berba (if it's him, best to not watch)
/r/seduction21/07/17 08:03 PM
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Be forthcoming about it if you're asked. Most secure people aren't going to parade their number of sexual partners unless they're asked.
/r/seduction19/07/17 09:57 PM
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Well, one of two things: Either she's giving you subtle IODs and you're not picking up on them (which is very possible). You didn't escalate well enough. Move her around the venue. Have her sit down with you at a table or booth. Go talk to her outside and have a cigarette. Stand at the bar with her. Just tell her "let's go over there" and start walking.
/r/seduction17/07/17 04:14 AM
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Yes and no. Like with any capitalist endeavor, the market will tell you what your value is. Unattractive men aren't going to pull 7s/8s/9s just because they've accepted the idea that "out of my league" is fictitious.
/r/seduction17/07/17 03:57 AM
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From a strictly intellectual perspective, it's a really interesting book. Greene breaks literary characters (and some actual historical figures) down into a few basic archetypes. The issues are twofold: The book has little practical value. Greene doesn't seem to have the slightest clue of how to develop the characteristics beyond a few platitudes. I'm not all that surprised, because he's a writer, not someone who has experience doing it and coaching it himself. It overcomplicates some very simpl…
/r/seduction16/07/17 02:25 AM
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I partly agree. Rejections are important because the feedback they give you often tells you what you're doing wrong. You shouldn't just ignore them like a tank being shot at with a rifle. That being said, you do have to develop a type of solipsism where you filter out particular elements but pay more attention to others. High-volume game can be okay, and is a valid strategy. Like everything, though, it's not a panacea.
/r/seduction14/07/17 10:52 PM
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That's absolutely fine. You can use it as a skill, no doubt, in order to bring new people into your social circle. I wouldn't do it with the purpose of getting laid; it's just not efficient enough for college.
/r/seduction14/07/17 10:50 PM
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Bingo. I usually forced IOIs or responded to IOIs I was given, especially once I started to piece it together (way too late, sadly).
/r/seduction14/07/17 03:30 PM
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Cold approach game on a college campus is not a good idea unless you have a massive student body. It's also really inefficient. You would be much better off doing social circle game or something like that.
/r/seduction14/07/17 03:29 PM
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RSD isn't innocent in developing that idea. None of the big companies are, as it's been around since the Mystery Method company. RSD's older material also has some issues, IMO.
/r/seduction14/07/17 03:27 PM
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Okay, a few things here. Don't beat yourself up too much about being anxious with women or anything like that. It happens to the best of us, seriously. AA goes way beyond a fear of rejection. AA is rooted in having a disconnect between self-image and reality and being afraid of confronting the differences. Effectively, it's a fear of getting real feedback on your value. Becoming delusional is a possible fix, though I would strongly discourage it. Short-term, you should acknowledge that you're an…
/r/seduction14/07/17 04:30 AM
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NoFap is useful, at least in my experience, for the first week or so. After that period, your body gets used to it and starts to adapt. It's just like lifting weights, in that your body will adapt to the new stimulus. Honestly, I don't think it means all that much. I've pulled women when I've masturbated the same day, and I've also pulled when I've been on NoFap.
/r/seduction14/07/17 04:24 AM
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No. End of thread. Cold approach is low percentage by nature. The vast majority of women are not going to be interested in you. I'd estimate that if you had 100 women, you'd find that about 5-10 are automatically interested, maybe 10-20 are on the fence, and 70 are not interested in the least. You need to focus on the "yes" and "maybe" girls and not waste your time on the "no" girls. This is a lesson that PUA marketing will never teach, largely because it's unpleasant. No, you will never be able…
/r/seduction14/07/17 04:21 AM
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RSD's Shift is pretty good, Steve Jabba's Primal Seduction. Mark Manson's Models is good and cheap.
/r/seduction13/07/17 02:41 PM
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Look, I started with PUA material when I was about 13/14. I didn't know of other ways to get the stuff beyond buying it, so I watched (obsessively) tons of marketing videos. Trust me when I say that this kind of thing can give you some really fucked up beliefs and priorities, especially when you're younger. Not to be an asshole by any means, but you shouldn't be worrying about technical game right now. Worry about developing the right mindsets and beliefs (inner game, effectively) and you won't …
/r/seduction13/07/17 05:25 AM
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Few things haven't been mentioned that probably should be: What's your sleep like? What is your alcohol consumption like? When I have periods of heavy drinking, my libido goes to shit as well. Is your mental health good? Going from personal experience, I have depression/anxiety issues, and when I'm in the middle of a bad time with those, my sex drive is practically non-existent. 4 (You don't have to answer this in public, but be aware of it): Are you on any medication that might interfere with y…
/r/seduction13/07/17 05:21 AM
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There are two things to be taken away from The Game: Learning the behaviors/lines/whatevers of an attractive man doesn't make you an attractive man. Sex and women will not make you happy.
/r/seduction10/07/17 08:53 PM
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Okay, that's a good place to start. Personally, I gravitate towards doing daygame, so I'd recommend that for you. It's not easy in the least, but it's fairly cheap and location independent.
/r/seduction10/07/17 02:50 PM
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No, I don't think equivalency is remotely possible with online dating.
/r/seduction10/07/17 02:46 PM
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Get drunk with them on a regular basis.
/r/seduction10/07/17 05:24 AM
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This is a very multifaceted question. What are your beliefs about women?
/r/seduction10/07/17 05:22 AM
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Online dating works well for good-looking, tall(er), photogenic men who are no older than 30. Generally, you're not going to pull "out of your league/class" online. Anybody who claims to be doing so is either: A liar, and there are a ton of BS artists about women in general Very good-looking (as in a male 9 or above) In my view, you're far better off learning seduction skills/game and approaching during the day/at night/at church/whatever than you are trying to find top-tier attractive women onl…
/r/seduction10/07/17 05:20 AM
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It's easier if you're okay fucking girls 2 points beneath you and not significantly younger.
/r/seduction09/07/17 11:29 PM
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This reads like marketing tripe mixed with gamma delusion.
/r/seduction08/07/17 07:04 PM
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By attrition rate, I mean the number of guys who start doing daygame and then give it up. Probably 90%+ of guys who ever start doing daygame end up quitting. I think night game is a little easier in terms of real-time state management (read: alcohol). It's also easier for good-looking men. But, as you correctly point out, there's a ton more competition.
/r/seduction08/07/17 07:02 PM
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I'm not an experienced daygamer by any means, but I do use it as my primary form of game. I just assumption stack I like Torero, Krauser, Steve Jabba, Jon Matrix. The daygame.com guys are pretty good in my view as well. I've never seen James Marshall or Liam McRae, so I have no opinion. Sasha is a bit weird and uncalibrated I think, but makes up for it with persistence. John Bodi doesn't coach, but he has a very good blog. I think it has costs and benefits. The cost is that it's extremely time i…
/r/seduction08/07/17 02:52 PM
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Whatever you do, you need to address your own internal issues. Go download CBT for Dummies if you have to and work through it. Game is not your solution. Women aren't going to fix you. I know this pretty well.
/r/seduction08/07/17 06:52 AM
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https://www.datingskillsreview.com/james-matador-stan-tayi/ He seems to have left coaching for other opportunities. It makes sense, PUA coaching isn't all that profitable, and if you can believe guys like Mark Manson, not too much fun either.
/r/seduction08/07/17 03:41 AM
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You have attachment issues, I'd bet. Therapy may be useful here. On another, much more practical note, you're less likely be clingy if you have other options. Simply put, go after other women too.
/r/seduction08/07/17 03:39 AM
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Yes, look for therapists who specialize in CBT. It's the most effective therapeutic technique by far, and from personal experience, it works.
/r/seduction08/07/17 03:37 AM
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I echo the suggestion for therapy. You seem to have a lot of issues that game would probably make worse. Stop reading material and beating yourself up about it. By the way, don't worry about your age too much. I know several guys in their late 30s/early 40s who consistently manage to sleep with 7s/8s/9s. Men generally peak later than women.
/r/seduction07/07/17 03:17 PM
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Relax. It's anxiety. A lot of guys get it, myself included. Just acknowledge it and talk about. Get up and have a drink, watch TV, whatever. Any advise on how to go about it and how to prevent it from ever happening again? It'll happen again. The most important aspect to avoid it is to focus on pleasuring yourself during sex, rather than her. Generally, if you do that well, she'll have a good time too.
/r/seduction06/07/17 06:57 PM
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Right, Simple Pickup is street theatre. I think you should ignore basically everything they do. If those are the two things you're aware of, it makes sense that you don't know what I mean by assumption stacking. What I mean is that you make assumptions/observations about her. "You seem very American" is an example, or whatever. Then you tell her why. What you try do is say what you see. https://krauserpua.com/2012/04/02/simple-daygame-opening/ Krauser's article covers it very well.
/r/seduction06/07/17 12:35 PM
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Nice to find a fellow daygamer on here. Suits my personality far better. Dutch girl: Not a bad opener, but could've been done better. Didn't stack forward correctly. Would've been good to say "you look very English (or whatever) and then said, "what I noticed about you is x, y, and z." I have this problem too sometimes, so don't feel badly about it. Mona Lisa: Not a great opener, but can be salvaged a bit. I don't know if you're using something canned, but try being a little bit more spontaneous…
/r/seduction06/07/17 04:41 AM
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I've done the hotel thing before. It can work really well.
/r/seduction06/07/17 04:32 AM
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No. Ask her out, if she doesn't respond, move on. I have a very strong boundary about wasting time, so I'll generally send two/three texts max if she's not responding.
/r/seduction06/07/17 04:30 AM
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Excellent post here. OP likely has more experience than I do, but everything he says mirrors my own successful dates.
/r/seduction05/07/17 04:48 PM
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Be normal, that's the first thing. I think a lot of MM is questionable, but he's right that the game is played in comfort. Just keep leading her to different venues. Something like this: Coffee shop Different shop Bar Home Don't go beyond a light makeout at the third venue. Just prepare to go home with her.
/r/seduction05/07/17 04:45 PM
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Because at a fundamental level, it requires you to take stock of who you are as a man and confront your inner demons. I'm not tremendously experienced, but the big gains are not to be made in "say this, do this." They're mindset and lifestyle changes.
/r/seduction05/07/17 04:28 PM
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Are you going with your parents? Not to be too much of a downer, but this kind of thing is not "say this, do this." 6 days is not a ton of time, but you may run into a "Yes girl," at which point you just don't fuck up.
/r/seduction05/07/17 04:26 PM
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I have no idea. What are your logistics like, how long are you going to be there, what's your prior game experience? These are all questions that would help flesh out the picture. The simple answer is day game, because you're not of legal drinking age and under 21 clubs are shit/probably not accessible.
/r/seduction05/07/17 03:47 PM
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You can do surprisingly well by embracing the fact that you're not going to "bring the party," but that you're going to operate alone. It's not that you're not providing value, it's that your value is more internal rather than external (i.e. highfiving the bartender or whatever). You sound a lot like me, and I gravitate towards day game.
/r/seduction22/05/17 02:56 PM
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I think you should use your best pictures. Like you, my best pictures were taken with my ex-girlfriend.
/r/seduction07/04/17 04:13 PM
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Day game requires a lot more management of your mind and state, which is a lot tougher, especially when done sober. Don't be too hard on yourself.
/r/seduction07/04/17 04:11 PM
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Yes, I have. Largely, I think this is a comfort thing/"test of your love." I think that women fear being abandoned more than anything else- even the sluttiest women are afraid of being pumped and dumped. Effectively, you have to "throw some extra comfort" in, but only if you actually mean it. Lying about this shit will corrode your soul.
/r/seduction01/04/17 12:49 AM
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Yes. APPROACH. Still, when I am out, I have a purpose. It could be a trip to the gym or buying a cup of joe. Yes, I will approach and take digits. Even pull (at another time day game). Still, the pickup and approach is secondary. The purpose of banging out the gym take priorities. Finish my set and go get the girl. Gainz/purpose > chasing! Eh, half and half. For daygame (which I do a hell of a lot more than night game, just as a function of my life/circumstances) you have to put in devoted sessi…
/r/seduction30/03/17 06:36 PM
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If you do it right, why not? Women love to meet put together, confident men, regardless of where they are.
/r/seduction30/03/17 03:48 PM
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Great for you! Mark Manson (who seems to be like a demi-god around here) once wrote that the guys who want to fuck 100 girls need a girlfriend. He's right.
/r/seduction28/03/17 07:09 PM
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Any tips on spotting or "forcing" IoIs? Whenever I look at girls they tend to look away immediately with a neutral look on their face. Spotting: just be aware and turned on when you leave the house/room/whatever. Start noticing people and saying stuff in your mind (e.g. girl in a black and white shirt looks like a burglar). Forcing: Look at her and don't look away. When she looks back, give an acknowledgement. I usually point or raise my eyebrows. Sometimes I've winked, but I don't usually like …
/r/seduction28/03/17 03:00 AM
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You don't get the difference between love and respect and pedestalizing them.
/r/seduction28/03/17 02:57 AM
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That's a really good point. There's a difference between loving women as they really are, with all the things that are confusing/frustrating for the average man, and loving a (falsely) idealized version of women.
/r/seduction27/03/17 06:54 PM
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Being mysterious is overrated. I imagine you're thinking of the James Bond archetype, but go a bit deeper: his life sucks.
/r/seduction27/03/17 05:20 PM
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Yes. Even if she says it without a smile, you can work with anything beyond indifference.
/r/seduction27/03/17 05:19 PM
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You don't have to. Learn to spot (and force) IoIs. Develop your own style (I tend to point or raise my eyebrows when I force one). Also, focus on the things you can change. You're skinny, so start going to the gym. Dress better, wear shoes with a heel, etc.
/r/seduction27/03/17 05:15 PM
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And my deepest hope is that one day I will find the man who sees me for who I am, who loves the nerdy awkward high school me who needed to be loved so much that she learned all of this crap, and who loves the icon that I’ve become today because he sees how much passion has gone into creating it. This part is the key to the rest of the article, I think. It shows how emotionally vulnerable women can be, and despite the attempts of Mystery et al. to dehumanize them into "targets," "HBs," or whateve…
/r/seduction27/03/17 05:11 PM
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Text game is a very overrated part of game, though I keep going back and forth on the issue. You're also waiting too long to go for the date. It should be within the first 4 or 5 texts, possibly even fewer.
/r/seduction23/03/17 07:15 PM
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Mystery method is fairly outdated and doesn't really cause any form of actual internal change.
/r/seduction22/03/17 05:38 PM
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Good points here. If you have the option, get somebody more advanced to take a look at the videos. Not to bash Jason Capital (too much), but his few and far between infields don't exactly fill me with confidence.
/r/seduction22/03/17 05:36 PM
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It allowed me to throw away a lot of the PUA bullshit I'd learned up to that point. Basically, it's about being an attractive man, not simply doing the things one does. You don't play an "avatar," as Mystery suggests; you are the attractive man. It gave me a healthier view of rejection than a lot of earlier material and taught me to act through my intentions, which made my results go way up. It also was an important stepping stone to stuff like day game and more natural, authentic forms of game.…
/r/seduction22/03/17 05:31 PM
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Try saying "hello" and go from there. Most game is a test of how socially normal you are anyway.
/r/seduction21/03/17 08:08 PM
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Are you saying that one should just put their cards on the line, be direct and tell the girl that you think they're hot, and hope that she likes you back? I just don't see how that will work for most guys. I mean, i'm sure lots of people tried doing that and then decided to 'learn game' since it wasn't working for them. It also means that there's really nothing to learn since even a 5 year old could remember to open with a compliment and then just 'be yourself' it's that the extent of 'game' in …
/r/seduction21/03/17 08:06 PM
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So you can go direct if you are good looking, but you actually need to 'seduce' the girl using various tricks and stuff if you aren't No. That's a sign of a bad mindset, that you "need" stuff like DHVs/prepared stories/etc. in order to attract women. The reality is that authentic communication is way more attractive than the best routine or DHV.
/r/seduction21/03/17 03:12 PM
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I don't like the whole idea of getting into "state". I feel like you should always feel like your best version if you're going to try and build a connection with someone. I think there are two issues with it: It provides a way to weasel out of approaches: "I'm not in state right now." The reality is that eventually, you just have to play the hand you're being dealt that day. If you feel low energy, go be low energy. It leads to "state hunting," times where you try to get into state but end up fa…
/r/seduction21/03/17 05:37 AM
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I've mixed feelings about them. I've heard negative things about some of their instructors and products, and personally, I haven't gotten all that much out of what they teach. That being said, TD basically shifted the entire seduction community away from the Mystery Method style of mechanical game (e.g. say this, do this, look for this) into teaching guys how to actually be attractive men. The Blueprint Decoded was revolutionary for its time and even today, I would encourage those so disposed to…
/r/seduction21/03/17 12:23 AM
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Just assume that she does and go from there. I'm not an expert, but on a technical level, this shit is really fucking easy. The tough part of doing this kind of thing comes in the emotional control part.
/r/seduction19/03/17 06:57 PM
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If I kiss her and if I get her number, and IF I don't take her home that night, then it's 50-50 as to whether or not I do. I really can't believe I have to spell this out.
/r/seduction19/03/17 06:24 PM
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I don't sleep with 50% of the women I approach. Nobody does, unless he's paying for it. I'm saying that if I kiss her and it ends there, it's about 50-50 as to whether or not I sleep with her.
/r/seduction19/03/17 02:46 AM
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Definitely. Daygame Mastery is a great book, and his memoirs are just as good.
/r/seduction17/03/17 10:50 PM
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This isn't a linear process. It's not "do this, then this, then that." Mystery et al. are largely wrong here. To answer your question, feel free to open up about yourself.
/r/seduction17/03/17 04:38 PM
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Primal Seduction by Steve Jabba, and his video product The Secret Society are probably the two best items on the market. Nick Krauser's stuff is good for someone who focuses on daygame, like me. I've personally gotten very little value out of most RSD/Mystery Method/etc. kind of stuff.
/r/seduction17/03/17 04:37 PM
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Although I tend to think that this book is overrated and incomplete, look at Mark Manson's Models: Attracting Women Through Honesty
/r/seduction15/03/17 05:03 AM
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Primal Seduction by Steve Jabba. Unfortunately, it's incredibly difficult to find.
/r/seduction14/03/17 02:44 PM
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Read Krauser's analysis and then watch Deepak Wayne's video. As someone who's familiar with daygame, I don't think there's a real question of who's telling the truth. As I've said in another thread, I'm familiar enough to know when somebody is faking it. I'm not an expert, but I'm not afraid to call out bullshit when I see it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Bluntly, anyone who's claiming the kinds of results that Deepak Wayne is claiming from daygame is either a liar or fucking prostitutes. An advance…
/r/seduction14/03/17 04:41 AM
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I've done this kind of thing enough to know when somebody is faking it.
/r/seduction14/03/17 04:10 AM
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Mindset changes. 75%+ of this kind of thing depends on your mindset.
/r/seduction14/03/17 04:08 AM
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As I've said before about this book, I think it's good but incomplete. There are sections that are demonstrably wrong or lacking, and the way he approaches certain questions is wishful thinking at best. I like Mark Manson, a lot. He's a pretty nice guy, writes some good material, responds to emails promptly, but I think that this book is incomplete. Actually, if you're a member of his site, he has a commentary on it that goes through the entire book and explains his own issues with it.
/r/seduction14/03/17 04:04 AM
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No, he's a fraud. He claims results way in excess of what even the best daygamers get, and the videos are demonstrably altered. Nick Krauser analyzes it here: https://krauserpua.com/2016/09/02/deepak-wayne-analysis-of-his-fake-infield/
/r/seduction14/03/17 04:01 AM
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Two things: As I've argued before, Models is a good book, but gets a few things wrong or oversimplifies them. This is one of them. You'll see them in both approaches/dates and LTRs, though they'll be of a different stripe. Approaches and dates tend to be of the "testing your frame" nature, whereas LTRs are more of "testing your love."
/r/seduction13/03/17 02:56 AM
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I'm nearly 5'11". I usually wear boots that give me about an inch and a half, so I usually appear near 6'1".
/r/seduction11/03/17 01:44 PM
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But you do get laid right? Yes, and generally with pretty decent quality. Look, I'm not a super high "notch count" guy, not in the least. The reason I say to take my view with the appropriate dose of salt is that I'm a natural introvert who leverages that characteristic for success. I don't care about "creating value" by talking to a ton of people, knowing the promoter, whatever. Really, I don't fucking care. I see game/seduction/what have you as a very primal activity. We're hunting the most be…
/r/seduction11/03/17 07:04 AM
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I seem to have a pretty different mindset than a lot of guys who post here, so take what I say with the appropriate dose of salt. You need to own your sexual intent and not be afraid of it. I have very little use for the direct/indirect debates, largely because a) the truth is always going to come through and b) you need to calibrate based on your situation anyway.
/r/seduction11/03/17 04:50 AM
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I agree with you; I generally ask before I take her number (I primarily do daygame). If she waffles, you're fine. If she volunteers the information, you're screwed.
/r/seduction10/03/17 10:14 PM
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If you recognize opportunities to approach, and capitalize on them, there's no reason you should have to take a day to just try and get numbers. Yes... that's called being calibrated and aware. Recognizing IOIs is critical. There's a reason naturals are always getting laid without spending hours of their day approaching. You'd be surprised how much "naturals" approach. As an aside, I tend to think the idea of a "natural" is pretty exaggerated.
/r/seduction10/03/17 10:02 PM
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For the average looking man? No. Steve Jabba is excellent, check out his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdHHNkBbGj4tuMo6SjEl1dg Most guys (even instructors) aren't getting laid solely from their game.
/r/seduction10/03/17 08:56 PM
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Nah, this is the kind of mindset that leads to unfulfilling relationships because you're needy and your goal in life is to score a girl, any girl. Bullshit. There are quality thresholds below which you don't approach. The goal isn't "to score any girl." The goal is to fuck women you're attracted to. If you're lifestyle is attractive and you learn to open your mouth and say hi when opportunities arise, you don't have to do stuff like this. If you want to become good at daygame, you need to put wo…
/r/seduction10/03/17 08:53 PM
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GOING OUT TO HAVE FUN AND NOT FOR PICKING UP GIRLS This is an awful mindset that (I think) RSD popularized. This kind of thing is fundamentally dishonest in its approach, and believe it or not, women aren't stupid. They're way better socially attuned than men are. Go out, own what you're going to do, and do it. You can't do daygame with the mindset of "let's have fun." When I do daygame, I tell myself three things: How many women I'm aiming to approach that day (usually 10 or so). What am I aimi…
/r/seduction10/03/17 03:42 PM
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Depends on my mood. I've answered "okay, whatever" to a rejection, if I'm doing daygame, I'll say "okay, have a nice day."
/r/seduction10/03/17 01:57 AM
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State your intent through body language and verbals. This really isn't all that tough.
/r/seduction10/03/17 01:56 AM
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I don't have a favorite per se. I have guys whom I respect and have learned from. I've learned the most from Steve Jabba and Nick Krauser, with Mark Manson and John Bodi as close seconds.
/r/seduction10/03/17 01:54 AM
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Read Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's a hackneyed suggestion, but the book is well-known for a reason.
/r/seduction10/03/17 01:51 AM
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This is good advice. If you find a woman attractive, that's all that matters (at least for your own sake). If you want to claim to have "mad PUA skillz" or whatever, then you have to have evidence of seducing women who're objectively attractive. Also keep in mind the artificial inflation of the Internet. As a number of guys have said, take two points off whatever a guy on the Internet tells you.
/r/seduction09/03/17 05:40 AM
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Just go out and have fun. Seriously. Don't put pressure on yourself to approach or anything. You'll probably end up approaching. A story for you: a friend and I went into DC the other day. We were walking around and talking to each other, just having fun together, going to go for a few drinks. I see a few girls I like the looks of and I go up and approach them. There's no "pressure to perform" or anything like that; it's just two guys walking around, shooting the shit, and chatting up women they…
/r/seduction09/03/17 05:34 AM
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If you're getting reported for harassment, you're doing something important wrong. Vibe is everything with this kind of thing.
/r/seduction09/03/17 05:31 AM
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You can talk to women pretty much anywhere. This is where social intelligence comes in; you don't go direct on a girl working behind a counter.
/r/seduction09/03/17 02:23 AM
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The best man with women I know of (don't know personally), lost his virginity at 19. He's fucked 300 some odd women since then (he's about 40 now). I think you've an interesting point, but here's how I see it. A lot of guys who are good with women in high school (and even college, to some extent) end up married earlier on than men who aren't. Now, I don't know specifically why that is, but it is.
/r/seduction09/03/17 02:08 AM
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You're trying to convince (in American English, "sell" is a colloquialism for convince) people that you managed a SDL when it's fairly obvious you didn't.
/r/seduction07/03/17 04:22 PM
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You're trying to "sell" that you had a SDL from that woman. I don't buy it.
/r/seduction07/03/17 04:57 AM
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Parts of this video strike me as "off." I don't buy what you're trying to sell me.
/r/seduction07/03/17 02:39 AM
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The rule is (generally) if the city has more than a million people, it's big enough.
/r/seduction07/03/17 02:38 AM
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Daygame.com is probably the easiest place there is to learn daygame. I don't agree with everything they do, but it's still better than a lot of instruction floating about.
/r/seduction07/03/17 02:37 AM
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I'm curious as to who actually thinks Greene is for real.
/r/seduction07/03/17 02:37 AM
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The thing is, daygame is the only thing left for me. Online game is the most rigged contest in the world. Night game is out, the sensory experience is hell for me and I look like shit as a result, can't help it, so no point to doing that. Women aren't attracted to guys who look and feel like shit. Okay, so you're set on daygame. Good, most of the best daygamers do it because they can't do anything else. I'm not experienced or particularly good, so I leave a lot of the theorizing to other guys. Y…
/r/seduction06/03/17 05:51 AM
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Mark Manson has actually done this shit and has evidence to back him up. Robert Greene is a writer with no corroborating evidence. Make of that what you will.
/r/seduction06/03/17 04:31 AM
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Short answer? Use the positive reference experiences you develop to change your self-image from being an unattractive guy to being an attractive guy. It has to become part of your psyche; if you become delusional, the facade will crack.
/r/seduction06/03/17 04:28 AM
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This sounds a hell of a lot like you haven't actually built your masculine core up. I'd bet that it's coming through in your interactions with women, too. If you have to play a role for women to be interested, there's something wrong.
/r/seduction06/03/17 03:13 AM
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It may take fewer than 1000 to get laid, it may take more. The first 1000 sets are where you learn the mechanics/nature of the model and how it works around women. There's no hard and fast rule; we're dealing with people, not with machines. Honestly, you might blunder into a "yes girl" on day 1. There are stories of guys who've done fewer than 10 approaches and found their next girlfriend. Daygame is not for the faint of heart and is arguably the toughest form of game there is. Also, unless you …
/r/seduction05/03/17 03:18 PM
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Any touching is a huge IOI.
/r/seduction04/03/17 08:13 PM
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1000 sets is considered the benchmark to "become good." You'll (hopefully) have success prior to your 1000th set, obviously.
/r/seduction04/03/17 03:57 PM
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Don't tell me you're essentially saying it would take 1000 approaches to get laid once? If you're a normal guy without any significant mental issues, you'll probably get laid before that. 1000 sets is usually the benchmark where someone can start laying claim to being intermediate/advanced. But I'm told being average looking isn't a huge problem with day game too much, you can still get some ass, etc. It's less of a problem. You'll get fewer IOIs, certainly, but you can also do rather well. Many…
/r/seduction04/03/17 03:56 PM
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Daygame pros: It's a lot of fun when it goes right It's a skill that requires a lot of introspection. It'll make you more confident. Possibility of fucking girls "out of your league," by which I mean 2 or more points above you. Transferable- you can go pretty much anywhere in the world with it. Daygame cons: It's really fucking hard. Probably the hardest form of game by far. Brutal learning curve (rule of thumb is 1000 sets to have some clue). Introspection. You will have meltdowns. Low success …
/r/seduction04/03/17 01:53 AM
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Leverage your reference experiences into creating a powerful and positive identity. Yes, in the beginning you'll need to blow even tiny successes out of proportion, but as you become more successful, you'll build a rock-solid identity.
/r/seduction26/02/17 07:04 PM
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I'd like to get my hands on a copy of your book so I can commentate more intelligently, but a brief list of issues: He's fundamentally right on "yes, no, maybe" girls. The vast majority of girls are going to be "no," a small percentage "yes," and a small (though still significant) percentage as maybes. However, he's wrong that you have to polarize women up front. That's tremendously inefficient and strikes me more as filtering for women who already want you vs. filtering for women who may be int…
/r/seduction26/02/17 07:03 PM
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Steve Jabba's Primal Seduction is probably the best option, but it's not cheap ($50 as a pdf).
/r/seduction26/02/17 04:15 AM
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Manson deals with sticky inner game issues better than most writers, but the issue is that it's pretty incomplete. I think he knows what he's talking about, but he explains about 70% of what he needs to. Completely absent are discussions of misogyny (which a lot of guys have, honestly), reference experiences, etc. It's not a bad book at all, but it's lacking in crucial areas.
/r/seduction25/02/17 09:01 PM
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Looks matter more than most PUA gurus want to acknowledge. Being in shape and between 5'8" and about 6'2" is beneficial.
/r/seduction25/02/17 08:57 PM
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Unpopular opinion: Models is good, but it's painfully incomplete.
/r/seduction25/02/17 06:09 PM
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Exactly. Inner game is extremely difficult to teach and explain. The instructor has to have a deep understanding of what makes him tick. Outer game is way easier to teach.
/r/seduction25/02/17 06:06 PM
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The first thing you need to examine is what Steve Jabba calls "low hanging fruit." Are you in shape? Do you dress well? How tall are you?
/r/seduction25/02/17 04:47 PM
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Depends. If you mean the same in terms of being absolutely brutal to learn, yes. If you mean the same as complete cold approach, absolutely not. University game requires pinging for IOIs, approaching women in less direct ways, etc.
/r/seduction25/02/17 04:43 PM
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There are really just two techniques in game: Approach Vibe Everything else is secondary.
/r/seduction25/02/17 04:42 PM
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Absolutely. The issue is that inner game isn't something that's easy to develop and most of the material on it is total shit.
/r/seduction25/02/17 04:41 PM
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Welcome to day game. The learning curve is... well, brutal, which is why there aren't all that many good daygamers. Three pieces of advice: Just own how you feel and approach her anyway. Authenticity is extremely valuable in and of itself. Identify why you're nervous. Chances are, you're afraid you'll get rejected. Getting rejected happens to everyone, including the best guys around. The best cure for approach anxiety: imagine taking the girl and fucking her. Imagine what she looks like with her…
/r/seduction25/02/17 02:35 AM
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Thank fucking God. There's so much bullshit about "do this, say this, stand like this." My view: game is not really tough in terms of technical proficiency. You can learn techniques easily. Game is tough in terms of emotional proficiency and calibration. That is, where is she emotionally, where are you, and what do you have to do to go from a to b? Self-amusement is key.
/r/seduction25/02/17 02:32 AM
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Men's Health is written for gay men, by gay men.
/r/seduction22/02/17 07:58 AM
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Agreed. There's a certain resistance to acknowledging that women might like you for no real reason here. If people want to spam approach until they hit state, that's cool with me. But, I prefer a more precise and targeted form of game...
/r/seduction22/02/17 07:56 AM
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Or, you could assume it's an IOI and approach with the belief she wants you. Which is a better mindset to have?
/r/seduction22/02/17 02:51 AM
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If you're depressed, a severe alcoholic, or taking certain medications, yes. Otherwise, no. When I was on Accutane in fall 2015, I had no sex drive at all. I had little desire to approach or to do anything but sleep and (occasionally) lift.
/r/seduction21/02/17 03:56 PM
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Get some shoes with a Cuban heel. I'm close to 5 foot 11, but I wear shoes that make me look close to 6'1".
/r/seduction21/02/17 02:47 AM
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How tall are you?
/r/seduction20/02/17 10:05 PM
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Don't tell that to the game purists! :) - But yeah, from a 'realistic' point of view, the problem is that i'm not very handsome, and I open girls who are gorgeous. That would be why you're getting rejections. So here's what you can do: Make yourself more attractive. There's a lot about this, but essentially lose weight, dress better, clear up your skin, get your hair in order, etc. Accept the grind. If you don't accept that looks play a role, you're fucking delusional. Of course, the converse of…
/r/seduction20/02/17 06:00 PM
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People often say that the opener doesn't matter. ''Just say 'hi''' and smile etc. It doesn't. I opened a girl last week with "Didn't I see you on Tinder?" I left with her. And I don't think it's my 'vibe', because if that was the case, then ALL of my sets would get burned in 5 seconds, and they don't. It's either your vibe, belief system, or you're shooting way out of your range. You can even work with a shitty vibe, you just have to act authentically. If you feel like crap, stay flat and low-en…
/r/seduction20/02/17 04:07 PM
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Your situation is one of the less conducive ones. Don't approach on the bus, that's a horrible idea. Don't approach in high school either, that's another awful idea. If your village is anywhere under 10,000 inhabitants, you're not going to have the variety you seek. My opinion is this: Start developing the correct belief system Start lifting weights (bodyweight is fine as a place to start). Don't do anything stupid.
/r/seduction18/02/17 05:39 PM
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You can develop inner game and make sure you're setting yourself up with the correct beliefs. Beyond that, you're kinda screwed with your situation. A good 80% of this stuff is mindset-based, so if you develop the correct belief system, you're going to naturally do fine.
/r/seduction17/02/17 06:49 PM
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I usually ask before I ask for a number or something along those lines. If she says "well.... kinda," then it doesn't matter, go ahead. If she volunteers the information to you early on in the interaction, exit. Time is a limited resource; you're very unlikely to flip a "no" girl to a "yes" girl.
/r/seduction17/02/17 06:47 PM
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This is what I mean by forcing IOIs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkzGTBIO8J4 And yeah, I agree. Went out last night and got some numbers. We'll see where they go.
/r/seduction17/02/17 03:53 PM
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Then welcome to where a ton of us were when we started. Approach anxiety isn't from some sort of evolutionary process. That's Mystery's psychobabble to avoid dealing with his own problems. Approach anxiety comes primarily from lack of self-acceptance.
/r/seduction16/02/17 07:28 PM
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Self amuse. Be unafraid to notice things about her pictures and comment on them in an authentic way.
/r/seduction15/02/17 10:34 PM
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Don't interview on Tinder. Get plans, get out. You're also way too agreeable. Stop asking so many fucking questions. If your game in real life is anything like your Tinder messages, it's flat and boring. I once read a great article by Roissy (before he went completely insane) that said "you should be comfortable with your texts showing up on a stadium screen."
/r/seduction15/02/17 05:33 PM
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