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Discussionchasingstatues/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 04:56 AM
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Idc if you approach or not, you're only hurting your own chances if you choose not to. "I won't talk to women and you can't make me," is not the threat you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:37 PM
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For talking to girls? I'm not denying that false sexual harassment reports ever happen but it's not just bc a guy talked to a woman one day, there's always more context there. Talking to a woman does not put a man in danger and men are making themselves crazy believing otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:41 PM
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Yeah that sounds like a lie, too. Are you all from India?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:24 PM
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Your friends are liars and you're all working each other into a deeply asocial, paranoid frenzy. You need new friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:05 PM
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Over starting a conversation? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:01 PM
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No it hasn't. Your irl friends were not arrested for starting a conversation. If that's what they told you, they left out the part in their story where they had their dick hanging out of their pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:48 PM
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We are listening to women Why would you do that? First mistake. Especially because it's probably like reddit women or Twitter feminists or something. Who cares what they say?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:46 PM
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It used to be whole families working, including wives AND the children as soon as they were old enough. Now it's just the parents. There's really never been a period in history where women didn't have to "work" and contribute to the household income in some capacity. So what "way of life" are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:25 PM
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It's completely false that there is nowhere to meet people. You just don't like your options and you don't want to go out. How would the government organizing more events you don't want to attend solve anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:21 PM
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Yeah yeah anyone can do some Neo cracked the code/everyone's predictable schtick. It's not that impressive or unique, it's called knowing how to socialize. Congrats if you're good at it, nobody's handing out medals. People waste their time on lots of things, you were specifically asking about the women who don't and we were discussing why. Main point being that the default assumption that a woman's "normal" state is having nothing better to do than make small talk with you is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:04 AM
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Reading through your comments, it's obvious you have an NPC view of women where their "normal" state is to be out and about with nowhere to really go, nothing they need to do, and nothing on their mind - just blank and perfectly primed for a man to come along and start chatting them up. An attitude which is in part exemplary of why women don't want to waste their time on dudes who stop them out in public this way, since it can so often come from such a place of disrespect. On top of the fact tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:03 PM
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What exactly is esoteric about what I said? I'm replying to your comment claiming "urgency" is the only valid excuse for dismissal, when urgency is subjective and literally anything you're doing or planning on doing is more urgent than a needlessly imposed interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:41 PM
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If she's not interested then whatever she's doing is more urgent than being stopped and pulled into a conversation with someone she doesn't feel like talking to and no one has the obligation to entertain any rando on the street who wants to chat.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:54 PM
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Says what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:50 PM
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Lol because people only die when they're elderly? Well that's a relief to learn
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 03:48 PM
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Ah yes, that's why it's called r/purplepilldiscussion
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:08 AM
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Where are you from that this isn't already the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 01:03 PM
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Shoes and handbags have a much use as suits and watches. On what planet wouldn't shoes have a use?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:55 AM
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Stole her DNA? What would that even mean? Is it her child or her clone?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:35 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:57 PM
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It indicates men being high disgust which death to a good sex life because women are already high disgust and they need a low disgust man to balance that out in the bedroom or else they'll remain stiff and starfish. She can't feel like she's gross to the guy and still have a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 06:17 PM
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Women are high disgust in comparison to men. Men being low disgust combined with a high sex drive can generally overcome women's disgust issues around sex/BJs with seduction. If men also high disgust, then all they're gonna get is starfish sex and no BJs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 06:14 PM
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Not sure how what I said could be interpreted as normalizing "terrible odor," obviously I wasn't talking about women with infections or something. I'm just saying straight men are turned on by the smell and taste of vaginas.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:55 PM
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If you don't love the smell of pussy and can't stop yourself from going down there to eat it, you gay
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 01:26 PM
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Exclusivity is established when an actual relationship is established, not prior. You can't dump someone you're not in a relationship with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:08 PM
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Weird scenario - why haven't Abby and Jack had sex yet? A more likely scenario is that Abby is having sex with her FB and with Jack, then cuts off the FB once Jack makes things official. Which I would see nothing wrong with. But it's unrealistic that a chick would take issue with fucking a guy she's been dating, but not a FB.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 04:53 PM
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No, this is bad advice for women. Don't assume a guy is exclusive with you until he makes it official. That's the whole point of making things official.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 04:43 PM
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No he wrote a bunch of other stupid shit too that reveals he follows too many thots online
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:49 PM
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I mean yeah, most women don't star in any porn at all lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:07 PM
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Why, though? The OP explained that it's passivity, which is often mistaken for kindness rather than a negative trait that can accompany kindness, that would cause someone to be perceived as a weakling. But there are many easy ways to frequently display kindness that are not passive. To be magnanimous is to grant kindness from a position of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:32 PM
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Lol obviously you didn't understand the post, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:58 AM
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When you say "mostly kind," what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:56 AM
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A man needs to make a woman feel sexy if they want that woman to sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:55 PM
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💯 He set the tone literally saying shit like, "I don't want to burden you... you don't have to stay faithful... It's up to you." I would totally think this dude wasn't that into me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 08:54 PM
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For a friend, possibly, not a guy off an app. You can give it a shot but I honestly think your message is a little too formal and off putting. It's not a job application and you shouldn't talk like it is. Just boil it down to: hey, I'm awkward, looking for a practice date, would appreciate your guidance. Then let them ask questions and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 06:29 PM
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Omfg stop playing this coy, "not little ole me!" bullshit, tell her the name of the movie and say we should watch it together this weekend/X night/whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:56 PM
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No. What you're calling "unhealthy" is the core nature of female sexuality. Women will not want to fuck anyone if they don't feel sexy. They preen so they can feel good about themselves and both inspire men's desire and be receptive to it. If I feel like shit and think I look like shit and then a guy hits on me, he's going to have to work twice as hard to get past those barriers and make me open up to his advances. When a woman dolls herself up, she's doing part of the work for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 04:39 PM
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And zebras have stripes so they can look better than horses. Like what? You're comparing apples to oranges. Women are not competing with men when they wear makeup. At most, they are competing with other women. But really, makeup makes women feel sexy and good about themselves. This can help put them in a headspace that will make them receptive to men's attention. Women do like being chased - that's because their sexuality is reactive, not spontaneous. Their desire is triggered by being desired. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 01:17 PM
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I say this as a 20 year old who has considered the idea of getting a vasectomy over the last 5 years of his life So since you were 15? 🤣 You do you but don't think girls are just gonna let you raw dog it because you claim you're snipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:40 PM
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You guys just aren't capable of modding this sub to the extent that would be needed to really justify enforcing a no-block rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:44 PM
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If someone gets blocked by everyone on the sub, they ruined their own ability to participate, not the blocking rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 10:02 PM
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Why do you want to waste your time talking to the worst shitheads?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:54 PM
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This sounds like a you problem. Liking what you can't have wouldn't be solved by changing your sexuality. You'd just be attracted to unattainable women instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 08:15 PM
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I agree pockets could have more depth but now that I have a tiny phone, it's not really a problem for me. And I have some dresses with pockets but I never use them because I hate how bulgy and weighed down they look when you put stuff in them. Plus I don't trust things to not fall out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 08:13 PM
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I've been gone too long 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 03:54 PM
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Are you assuming my gender???
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 03:40 PM
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Are you implying that sex ed makes women gay or makes them straight?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 03:39 PM
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Women don't actually want better pockets because that would mean baggier pants. The ones who complain aren't thinking it through. And the ones who really care can just buy baggy pants - which do exist, but most women don't want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 03:36 PM
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If he's hot and charming, he's ticking more than one woman's box.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:33 PM
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It’s just that no guy with a shred of self-respect should ever wait for a woman Why doesn't it just stop there?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 08:38 PM
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It's literally anybody. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:55 PM
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If only women thought this way, they would have a much easier time navigating these situations. But they're women, not men, and they don't think this way. As it stands, women get sweaty palms just saying no to somebody.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:36 PM
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Women see situations like rejection or even disagreement (even with a stranger) as conflict and confrontation, no matter how much you keep repeating that it's objectively not. Their hearts race and their palms sweat. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 09:53 PM
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You keep missing the entire point of this conversation which is that women do see and fear conflict in nothing interactions with nobodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 09:47 PM
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How does anyone actually enjoy this, though? Like you read this stuff and smile? I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 10:45 PM
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What is the allegory in you talking about wanting to be liked at least as much as her ex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 05:04 PM
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You're clinging on to a facet of the argument that i've long dropped Dude, when did you drop it? You literally just said in your last comment to me: It's not about loving me as much as her ex, as it is about proving she could love the next person more... You're the one who keeps talking about other men in reference to your expectations for your relationship. And now what are you talking about when you say proof? What does that mean? And who cares about some hypothetical future guy that she might…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 12:31 AM
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It's not about loving me as much as her ex, as it is about proving she could love the next person more... Over and over, you just keep showing that you base how much you want to be loved by a woman on how much she loved the last person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:39 PM
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If he doesn't matter then why did you literally write that you want her to like you at least as much as her ex?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 10:25 PM
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There's nothing to twist, you said it verbatim: it's contingent on my girlfriend liking me at least as much as her ex, sexually Other men obviously matter, otherwise that sentence would end after "me." But apparently, you just want to be liked as much as the last guy. He sets your standard, not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 10:14 PM
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it's contingent on my girlfriend liking me at least as much as her ex, sexually Lmao this sentence is literally you saying that your sexual interests are predicated by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 10:07 PM
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Are you confusing me with other people now or something? I'm not reading through this entire thread so I can debate with you. You can either make an argument to me or, I guess, jerk off while reading Logic for Dummies. "Logicahhh logicaaaahhl ugh deduuuh uuuhhction mmmm"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 07:13 PM
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Hey, remember when I asked you what comment you found specifically to be irrational? An honest debate would have entailed you referencing a comment and breaking down why you think it's irrational so we could talk about that instead of the weird, evasive dog and pony show bullshit you pulled instead. Now excuse me while I go jill off to men's profile pictures just like any woman would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 06:56 PM
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I'm sorry, I don't want any part in your weird vulcan mating dance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 06:45 PM
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Your point is some irrelevant big brain lingo dropping meta flexing nonsense that has nothing to do with the actual subject? That's weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 06:24 PM
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I'm not responding to any of your first couple of paragraphs because they're incoherent. There's nothing a man can signal from OLD that would indicate to a woman if he's actually fuckable. She has to meet him in person to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 12:23 PM
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Or you're too solipsistic to wrap your head around the fact that attraction functions entirely different for women then it does for men. What you're calling logical inconsistency is because you're starting from a false premise that their sexualities are like yours. Women have reactive sexualities, men have to actively do something to turn them on before women can see them in a sexual light. Otherwise, they're all sexless Ken dolls. There's literally no way to know if a man will ever stop being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 12:06 AM
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The only thing irrational in these comment chains is how you keep insisting that women are subconsciously men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:37 PM
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I'm asking what you're referring to in this conversation specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:07 PM
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What are you referring to specifically as irrational?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:47 PM
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Why would you entertain a date with someone that you already haven’t considered to be fuckable? That makes no sense. It makes sense when you realize that women aren't men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:02 PM
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If women got off on looking at pictures, they'd be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 04:52 PM
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🥁
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 01:46 AM
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Having easy and relatable connections that can be discussed with a lot of people is definitely valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 04:59 PM
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It sounds like you're basing this whole fantasy off of something you saw in a tv show. You're talking about caricatures. Sure, everyone who likes talking about movies and tv shows can be generalized as game of thrones fans who like to "travel." Normies are gross, hope my kids never have friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 04:23 AM
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I'm not sure what your point is? As the world is right now, there's still more social value in movies/tv shows for the reasons that you just laid out yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 07:41 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 06:07 PM
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Gamers also watch movies and series lol And? The point of the post is that tv shows and movies have more social value. They are most certainly more mainstream than video games, however mainstream video games may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 06:04 PM
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If you're trying to make casual conversations with people out in the real world, you're more likely to share in common some movie or show than you are a video game. Having way better taste from all the stupid normies excludes you from the social benefits of bonding with humans over shared interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 05:42 PM
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Are you really trying to compare gamer dudes talking to each other on their headsets or via discord to people making casual conversation about tv shows/movies at work or at a party? You're missing what this post means by social value.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 05:35 PM
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What exactly does a "life on easy mode" entail? Something like this
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 07:16 PM
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So then what exactly were you disagreeing with here? Otherwise men always had an option to choose to date each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 05:43 PM
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So he's turning down an option because he has other preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 05:32 PM
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Homosexuals do, heterosexual just spend quality time together (hobbies, interests), but sexually no, that does not hold true. Why can't a heterosexual man fuck a homosexual man if that homosexual man wants to fuck him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 05:18 PM
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I mean, men on this sub have credited movies and media for so many of their misconceptions about life. I don't personally agree with doing that because I think most normal people realize movies are fiction as they grow up. But, people who criticize this trope from the perspective you're talking about are basically arguing the same things these dudes are. The idea that the trope will influence how people view reality and the actual expectations that men will place on women as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 09:09 PM
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He wasn't even married to Paradis, they were just an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 11:10 PM
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Depp is a huge mess. Being an emotionally unstable alcoholic will garner bad results for anyone. But you could note that he was doing well before he left his longtime partner and the mother of his children for a hot, crazy piece of ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 06:49 PM
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Prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 05:55 AM
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I had no idea Ann Landers was red pill. Til.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 05:14 AM
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What? Ten hours? Try spending ten years with someone and see how you know them then as opposed to how you thought you knew them after ten hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 10:19 PM
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I'd be curious how often your subjective "vibe" ratings have failed you in your past relationships. Not once. I was right the very first time. There is no catch 22 to what I'm saying. You don't have to know someone's IQ and mbti type to know if you're attracted to them. Attraction is what makes you want to get to know them. Why would I give a fuck if some guy that I'm not attracted to also likes the beach? Why would that make me want to go to the beach with them? Attraction is the basis off of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 04:12 AM
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Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but congrats What was this supposed to mean?: It's not really my fault if you don't understand and I'd be curious as to how many dates you've had that ended up poorly because you thought you knew them better than you actually did. The reason I'm saying you're autistic is because you're claiming that men assume women have no personalities unless women literally go, "here is a list of my personality traits." This is pure autism. Nobody goes around listing per…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 11:05 PM
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Nice try, I'm still with the guy I went on my first date with, eight years ago this month. To the rest of your points: It's your autism speaking that has no confidence in your ability to read people in the ordinary way that human beings do. Obviously we can have misconceptions, but that's why you continue to date and gauge. You seem to agree with that point, at least, which makes everything else you're saying nonsensical. If time is really the only thing that tells us who someone is/what they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 09:42 PM
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You just sound autistic. Why would you need a verbal report of someone's personality instead of being able to pick that up from their mannerisms, interests, hobbies and behavior? Why are you calling this woman a bitch for cooking and reading? Why wouldn't you be able to understand what those hobbies indicate without being told? Why does everything need to be given in reverse? You want her to say she's a nurturer and THEN "prove it" by talking about how she likes to cook for people. Or to say tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:39 PM
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No, not everyone speaks what's on their mind and they definitely don't all speak about the heady shit. I don't know what's wrong with your relationships with women (or most people) that you can't grasp they do things like self-reflect on their morals, values and past mistakes without them making a big public performance out of it. Of course, that is what draws men to this part of the internet. Like I said, talking with people about life in general, you'll hear them say plenty of intelligent thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:23 AM
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im saying most people ive come across seem to be on society's autopilot without having taken to the time to personally define their moral's and values, women far less than men This is my core disagreement because this is literally how I thought at fifteen. This is a step away from calling others sheeple. It's to assume there's something special about yourself that you can somehow possess these thoughts and "incites" and higher interests that most other people don't have or can't. Just because ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 10:59 PM
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You mentioned Maslow and then elsewhere in the thread said you weren't strictly referring to him and wanted people to respond to self-actualization as contextualized in your post. I'm not talking about reading a bunch of horoscopes, researching videos on witchcraft and psychology, and screaming "Yas queen!" in the mirror a bunch of times. I'm talking about sitting down and legitimately going," Whoa I did this wrong or I did that wrong...or maybe I wasnt being fully honest here or maybe that was …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:33 PM
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You haven't actually defined anything, you're being conveniently vague and then acting like it's my job to define the concepts you brought up and want to talk about. If you want to call women shallow, you have to define what deep means. You should also be able to answer what you know about reality if you want to talk about it so much, instead of asking me what it means to know anything. You evade my questions with questions and then act like I'm the one preventing productive conversation? You ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:06 PM
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Fair enough, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:05 PM
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what constitutes "deep" You tell me what deep means because so far you've left it at talking about stuff "less shallow" than if there's a god, philosophical trip reports and self-reflection capabilities. Which apparently women don't have, even though you think they can have aspirations. They can think forward but not backward? What kind of mechanism prevents that? what does anyone "Know" Again, cringey. I'm not biased against philosophy; I'm biased against armchair philosophers looking down on o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 04:30 PM
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I forgot you were in chat and I don't remember you all that well, but I don't think you really remember me, either, because I have a mild interest in mbti at best. And are you basically saying that having interests or performing any actions that bring you satisfaction constitutes "self-actualization?" Because I feel like that renders the concept meaningless. It's the way OP talked about self-actualization that made it sound like edgy, new age bullshit and that's what I was responding to. He's qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 02:58 PM
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What experience do you have inside the head of a woman? questioning the nature of one's reality, and taking responsibility for one's karma hardly find their way on that list Again, this just sounds cringey. Somebody not wanting to talk to you about this stuff doesn't mean they don't think about it. And you thinking about this stuff doesn't mean that you're deep or that you have anything significant to say about it. Are you a physicist? What do you know about "reality?" You need people to listen …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 11:43 AM
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I'm not talking about reading a bunch of horoscopes, researching videos on witchcraft and psychology, and screaming "Yas queen!" in the mirror a bunch of times. I'm talking about sitting down and legitimately going," Whoa I did this wrong or I did that wrong...or maybe I wasnt being fully honest here or maybe that was an overreaction...." So women can have rich inner lives but they don't have self-reflection capabilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 03:01 AM
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Okay, you can correct me if I'm wrong. But it sounds like you're painting a picture of all women as a whole based on some shallow stuff, so it's hard not to assume you're kind of shallow, as well. It's such a ridiculous thing to assume about half the world's population. Just because someone doesn't want to wax poetic with you or get all deep about the universe doesn't mean they don't have a rich inner life and think about things. The assumption otherwise just sounds very immature, like when I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 10:56 PM
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Yeah, self-esteem is also narcissistic. Narcissism isn't just for people who love themselves, it's also for people who hate themselves. Because it still boils down to self-obsession. It's one thing to want to be healthy and your end goal is to be healthy. Or to want to paint and so you learn how to paint. Those are tangible ambitions. When you are your own end goal, I don't think you'll ever really get there. You'll never be anyone other than who you are, so self-actualization just sounds like s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 09:19 PM
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Self-actualization is masturbatory and the people who actively seek it are narcissists. As a matter of fact, when speaking on psychedelics everytime I've asked a girl if they got philosophical during a trip they look at me like I'm a nerd. Because it's a nerdy question. It can be nice to get philosophical on psychedelics but have you ever watched those conversations from the outside? It's a lot of fucking self-inflating nonsense and it's not a whole lot of fun. Nobody wants to be lectured at by …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 06:49 PM
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From my appreciation of her being, she is not interchangeable and replaceable as she is a unique being. Just because I can also appreciate other beings doesn’t mean that I don’t appreciate the uniqueness of hers. Except you didn't marry her or commit to her because you appreciate the uniqueness of her being. If you married her because you appreciated the uniqueness of her being, whatever that means, it would be a utility based choice --- i.e. because you want to tie down the thing you appreciate…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 04:17 PM
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Once one does that, yes, many more women become attractive to one, and that’s a good thing. It means that your wife is completely interchangable and replaceable. It makes the basis of your love worthless because it's only basis is that she exists. If you had started dating anyone else at that point in time when you decided to commit to anyone for just existing, then you'd be married to anyone else right now. And I'm asking you, specifically, why you love your wife and what you love about her. As…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 11:29 AM
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So one day you decided to have no standards for yourself and then you married the first woman you dated after that? It sounds like your wife is interchangable with basically anybody else, based on what you're talking about. You would have committed to anyone. As for how to perceive a soul, you threw around a lot of words and managed to say nothing. What is a soul? How do you specifically perceive your wife's soul? What is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 09:01 PM
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But if it's beautiful like all souls, I'm asking, why hers? And how does one show their soul? Through their o-face? How do you know what someone's soul is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 02:58 PM
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But why do you value her soul? Like what made you commit to it? And want to tolerate the "bad" parts of her soul because of the good parts? How does one decide to commit to a soul?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 02:11 PM
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Why do you value your wife's soul?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 04:02 AM
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I really don't think I'm starting to get it. I don't know what one's being is. Nor do I believe that every person who has fallen out of love was never really in it to begin with, that's extreme to me. I think that you never would have married your wife if you had incompatible life goals, expectations, values, ect. Those are the things we ultimately commit to, not someone's soul. Which is what I think you're talking about when you refer to someone's behaviors as "reflections of their being." You …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 03:02 AM
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What if she changed her mind/the way she thinks on subjects, such as childbirth? Is the way one thinks immutable? Do views not develop and change over time? And is there no utility in living someone based on shared views/values? If her views were completely contradictory to what you wanted in life, what then? And are mannerisms what you love about a person or do you love the mannerisms of the person you love? If her mannerisms changed for some reason or she developed new ones, would you stop lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 11:29 PM
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What do you love about a partner's existence? What does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 06:51 PM
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What is one's being?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 06:05 PM
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On what logic and reason should she have been holding out hope that her depressive ex would reach out to her one day and claim he was better and based on what logic and reasoning should she have believed you and given you her commitment once again when you already fucked it up the first time? Again - entirely self-absorbed rationalization. You're also leaving out details in your post like different timelines for wanting kids and marriage. In no way would it have been a wise decision for her to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 12:26 AM
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Not wrong. You are demonstrating the total self-absorption of depressive types. You were her first boyfriend, not her husband. There's no reason she should have waited around on the chance that you may get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 12:11 AM
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Depression is gross and selfish and you're just proving that further.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:46 PM
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Or if women can just leave that online outlet - they don't have to be there, so why bother? But then that hurts men who use OLD more than it does women, because they're driving women off of those sites/apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 03:32 PM
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Man #2: Hey Nicole, there is this charming little cafe over by the park, you must try their pain au chocolat, why don't we go there this afternoon? Perhaps we can also see something at the cinema. Me: ...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 05:20 PM
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You said barely adults, which is the only reason I engaged in the first place. I have no problem with your preferences. But I don't think people with alternative preferences are emotionally stunted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 08:33 PM
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Only men past 50 should be allowed to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 08:16 PM
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Your nightmare is someone else's dream and it's solipsistic to argue your view as the objectively correct one. Different people want different things. And I see arguments that push for the perspective that people are children until 30 as harmful and weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 08:15 PM
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Who cares what we want? I don't care if people have children or not. I'm talking about letting other people live their lives and not disguising 25 year olds as children to dismiss their ability to make life choices. Your personal value of impermanence and change has nothing to do with humans in general. Most people want marriage and the permanence of commitment it brings. Most people like being bound to something/someone and don't want uncertain futures. And many, if not most, want children. Hen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 08:08 PM
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It did not start with child labor because 8 year olds were not getting married in the West during that time. I think no one should get married. But if you must? Wait until everyone is 30. So who's going to be their daddy until 30 and monitor their choices? I am 30 and I don't see the major difference between 25 and 30. I see people of all ages at a variety of maturity levels, not wholly dependent on age, which becomes an arbitrary measurement after a certain point. You're not going to be a vastl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:54 PM
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What do 8 year olds have to do with anything? We're talking about infantililizing 25 year olds. It’s good to allow for people to figure out who they are and what they want instead of locking everything down at 18? 21? Are you allowing it? Or are you implying people should not be allowed to make major life decisions at 25 because they're barely adults? In which case, they're not allowed to figure out shit, they are to remain children. The alternative being to partake in the nightmarish act of gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:35 PM
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Okay, check out my response to that response.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:23 PM
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Look at where 25 year olds were at in their lives 100-150 years ago. Maturity is also dependent on life experience, which modern millennial adults are often admittedly reluctant to gain. The more prevalent the attitude of infantililizing adults, the more we promote a culture of 25 year old children.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:22 PM
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You're not explaining how that means someone is barely an adult at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:12 PM
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This is the weirdest shit I've ever heard. Why does the age that constitutes adulthood keep getting pushed back? Now 25 year olds are barely adults? This is insane, millennial infantilism shit. Like how Netflix literally has a category of movies now called reluctant adults. It's retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 06:52 PM
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Because some of those men are Sam
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 12:01 AM
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Even if she was talking about kids, it wouldn't matter. One individual's choices are irrelevant when talking about general trends. Her: most people don't live in Alaska. You: do you live in Alaska? Her: yes. You: why did you make that claim then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:50 PM
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To her response that she doesn't have kids, you said: Why did you make that claim then? Why did you think her claim about the general trends of people was somehow contradicted by her personal, individual experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:44 PM
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Why are you asking why she made her claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:35 PM
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Do you think one person is representative of the whole? If she'd said yes, would that have been sufficient evidence of her claim for you? What does one individual have to do with general trends among the majority of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:28 PM
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I think manipulation entails intention. Breadcrumbing is "manipulative" because it's done with intention. If you were just busy or if you had other options to distract you, you'd naturally be pulling away from some girl and peeking her interests in the process. It wouldn't be on purpose, though. But TRPers are asocial, so they have to analyze every facet of human interaction like an alien and then do it with intention. And they tend to be desperate because they're asocial, which means they likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 10:19 PM
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This may be an extension of wanting to feel special, but I think there's more to it than just that. I think women want to see a guy who can take control and take care of them. Obviously there's a fine line between being attracted to someone who takes care of you vs. seeing them as a chump to take advantage of. But if some handsome, charming, confident dude asks a girl out to dinner, he plans the whole date, picks where they're having dinner, pays for the dinner, ect. then she might get to feel s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:45 PM
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I expect people to be dumb and susceptible to garbage that confirms their biases and embarrass themselves spreading dumb studies that they've never even looked at like they're gospel. And they don't let me down.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 11:05 PM
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Where are you pulling that number from? 27% of what men? What study is this from? What was the sample size of the men surveyed? And I want a link to the actual study, not some dumb article trying to summarize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 10:58 PM
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It's not. This story is bland af. It's boring. The descriptions are awkward, the vocabulary is juvenile. It's cringey and an embarrassing attempt at art.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 10:35 PM
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It's on you to provide your own sources in a debate or are you new to this? 10 million is still a number you plopped right out of your loose, stinky butthole. All men in the US were not surveyed. What was the survey's sample size?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 03:59 AM
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I tried to find it and I can't. You want to use a study to support your argument, but you've never actually seen it? Here's what we know: 28% of the men who were involved in the survey didn't have sex last year. You're pulling the number 20 million out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 03:33 AM
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Can you link me the actual study? I want to see the sample size and how it was conducted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 01:37 AM
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What is this number from? Can you share the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 01:13 AM
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Incels are a rare phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 01:09 AM
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In reality, high status "betas" have it much better with women, than the so called low status "alphas". Betas have better for marrying women. That's literally why it's alpha fucks/beta bux. But women aren't fucking your salary or your sports car or your college degree. They want to fuck masculine men. Alpha and beta basically just boil down to masculine and unmasculine. And the more masculine a man is, the less civilized. The less civilized, the lower the class. That's why hyper masculine men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 03:21 AM
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Some philosophers are moral error theorists, moved by the argument from queerness: they say that morality requires objective reasons, and that in fact there are no such things Maybe this is my issue with moral error theory. Why would morality require objective reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 05:56 PM
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Wait, are you claiming pornstars can and do have enjoyable sex 10x a day? You mean to tell me that you believe porn stars aren't paid actors doing a job?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 10:44 PM
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Reread my comment. I asked what narratives pushed the idea that women like spineless, asocial men. I said popular media shows men stepping up to the plate to make the first move. So are you telling me that scientific journals, newspapers, etc. push counter narratives that argue women want spineless, asocial men and that women will make the first move? Because if not, you're not addressing my claims. And if you are, show me where.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 11:54 PM
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I didn't make this claim So then what does your claim have to do with the claim I was specifically responding to?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 07:12 PM
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Where? What newspapers, scientific journals, awareness campaigns, etc. pushed the narrative that women will largely make the first move and guys should wait for them to do it? Or that women don't like men who are assertive? And we're talking about boys being brainwashed and mislead. So when you link me these articles and scientific journals saying that men don't/shouldn't approach women, tell me how old you were when you read them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 04:12 PM
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First, no one can blame Western culture or feminism because they were dumb enough to get their lessons on romance from Anime. Though plenty of anime has demure female leads falling for bad boys, as well girls love and boys love genres. You're picking and choosing what anime to watch. No one else is responsible for your choices of what you consume. Second, Mr. and Mrs. Smith cast America's sexiest actors at the time as the leading man and woman. It's about spies. What realism were you expecting f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 05:35 PM
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What narrative has pushed the idea that women like men who are spineless or asocial? The Disney stories we were all raised with had handsome princes and knights in shining armor rescuing beautiful maidens from their boring lives. Romcoms always show the guy stepping up to the plate and making the first move. And all of the people in these stories are attractive. Can you give examples of where it's being pushed in popular culture that women will approach men, and ugly men, at that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 03:56 PM
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Really, they just met her in a good girl context where it was in her best interest to act that way and hold up that identity. Women change how they act based on the environment they are in. Since when is being "good" not an act based on context and self-interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 08:24 PM
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Outliers can and do exist. They don't disprove the norm. But it's stupidity to not recognize an outlier when presented with one because it doesn't compute with norms. Which is what Audrey is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 07:51 PM
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Is it a double standard that, as a woman, I can have boobs but I'm not attracted to men who have boobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 11:13 AM
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A gangly and out of shape guy is still stronger than a lot of women. And I don't think those are the only types of guys described as creepy by a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 02:39 PM
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I agree. Sometimes the standard women set for cleanliness is unrealistic and it's definitely tied to anxiety. Monica from Friends is a great example. Super high strung clean freak.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:56 AM
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Is that how you feel about your own LTR? I've been with my boyfriend for six years and to me, new relationship energy is in part appreciation. But it's hard to appreciate anything after you've grown used to it. You don't wake up grateful you have a nose on your face everyday. Combine that with how hard it is to be close to anybody long term, family or friends. Let alone live with them. Everyone is a bad person in some ways, they have annoying habits, they can be selfish. You get to see all of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:53 AM
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It's not trading chores for sex like a contract. If she's dating or married to a man who leaves messes for her to clean up, that will be a major turn off for many, in and of itself. The new relationship energy is gone and now she's left with the long term reality of cleaning up after a slob for the rest of her life. Slobs will make some women stressed out and feel taken for granted. As if they're time isn't valuable or they don't have enough to do already without having to pick up after you. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:16 AM
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Are you married/in a LTR? Have you been? You've gotta think ahead like, five, ten, fifteen years into a relationship with a guy who makes messes and thinks it's all on you to clean it up when you come home exhausted from work and have other shit on your plate on top of that. It adds up. It causes frustration, resentment, makes some women feel used, depressed, anxious. She's got a full picture of you at this point, you're not just some one dimensional Chad. She sees your unattractive habits and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:37 AM
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I don't think it's invented nonsense. Women have to feel sexy in order to have sex. Their sex drive is reactive. Meaning they need to be turned on. There are a lot of factors inside a woman's head that can get in the way of her ability to be turned on or feel sexy. A messy home is absolutely one of those things for some women. It's like that clutter in their house is representative of a clutter in their mind. They can't shut their brain off as easily when stressed. If there's a million things ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:18 AM
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He's not just talking about women wanting things clean, though. He's talking about women who want things clean and they want them cleaned a particular way. My mother is very similar to the way he's describing his wife. She revoked our right to do chores because it was never up to her standards. And when we did do chores, she'd be hovering over us, constantly criticizing our technique. She wanted full control to the point where she preferred to do all the work and then bitch about it instead of l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:13 AM
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This doesn't explain what the "gravity" is. Can you explain what you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 02:13 AM
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How do you define negging and how do you define shit testing? And what do you think the goals are of each?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 10:54 PM
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Why do you participate on reddit in the first place when every sub is moderated? What a ridiculous position to try and argue while you're still commenting in this sub and on this site. I read her comments and all I see is you accusing her of being uneducated and her shutting you down for your baseless accusations. So quote or summarize what she said that has you concluding she's uneducated and unwilling to educate herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 07:04 PM
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I'm asking you to summarize her position. Are you capable of doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:16 PM
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Which is?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:09 PM
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If you need to educate yourself before you make assumptions, why are you assuming right now how much myself and the other person you're talking to have studied these topics in depth? She didn't get to be a mod of ppd by joining the sub and learning about the pills yesterday, that much any educated person should realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:05 PM
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Having an opinion =/= not understanding others opinions. I don't see a problem with abortion. According to your logic, do you think that means I don't understand why other people have problems with abortion? She said she doesn't see a problem with slut or potential virgin walks. Quote where she said she doesn't see your problem with slut or virgin walks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 04:48 PM
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As a moderator, don't you have a responsibility to understand the sensitivities of the community of thinkers over whom you have dictatorial-level powers of censorship? How is she not understanding sensitivities right now? What ideas which bother you are you referring to? And why do you think she doesn't understand them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 04:40 PM
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Amalt
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 05:39 AM
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But what's the criticism surmount to beyond the fact that they don't get your sympathy? It's still a moral judgement. And the criticism doesn't even make sense. If a child ran into a street without looking, almost got hit by a car, and from that point on they stop to look both ways before crossing the street, would you criticize them for being inconsistent?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 10:44 PM
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Who do you deserve sympathy from? You made a bad decision because of X reason, woman makes a bad decision because of Y reason. Both are still bad decisions that only the decider is responsible for making. Who gives a shit what excuses people make up for their choices? Everybody's got a ton of those. Really, the whole deserving sympathy thing or not deserving it is a kind of gross God complex that nobody should give a shit about. People perform actions and those actions have consequences, negativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:57 PM
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Hey ya! The Fountainhead is pretentious as fuck. Last book I read was Country Dark by Chris Offutt. You'd probably like it. Also, check out The Legends of the Fall by Jim Harrison. It's like four different stories and I think you'd like that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:42 PM
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I forgot about this comment. Yes, to your question. Frequently. Why aren't you???
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:39 PM
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That's because you're fuckin retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 05:41 PM
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We debated a lot and the more we talked, the more curious I was about what she had to say. I'd see something that I would think was an inconsistency, like, I'd think that if you believe X then you must believe Y. And if you don't believe Y, how could you believe X? But then she would explain it and it was just fascinating to me because I was discovering a whole new perspective and plethora of ideas that I never really knew existed. Just a totally different way of thinking. Trp, and a lot of othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 03:22 AM
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Yaasss!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 02:58 AM
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Like three or four years ago, I was heavily blue pill and I argued with atlas like crazy. She triggered me so hard, I was meaner than she was. I said shit like how she was probably creaming her pants over her rp fantasies. I hated her. And then like a little over a year later, I was meeting her irl and we were shopping for makeup together and getting coffee. She even gave me an eyeshadow pallet she knew I'd like. She's sweet, funny, feminine, super charming. Lovely with me and all the sales ladi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 02:41 AM
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He deep throats my clitoris.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 04:10 AM
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Nah, if I wanted to participate in the shit hole this sub has become, I'd still use this nick. Also, hi 👋
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 02:58 AM
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How do you explain Nalka's friend getting laid? Can you cope with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 03:52 PM
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My boyfriend is the only man who could make infidelity worth it or not. My commitment to him entirely hinges on him, just as his commitment to me entirely hinges on me. I'm committed to him because he makes me want to be committed to him by being who he is. If he changed drastically tomorrow or over a long period of time and became a person I didn't like or feel attracted to, then he would be the one killing the commitment. No other man is necessary in that equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 04:46 AM
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Why do you equate bisexuality with nymphomania?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 04:41 AM
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Aw I'm so happy for both of you!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 11:14 PM
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The guy is being charged with rape. But he's not, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 06:21 PM
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Then why isn't he being charged with rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 06:05 PM
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Is it fair for us non-physicists to call gravity magic?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 06:01 PM
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The dude doesn't want a relationship. He doesn't want marriage or even cohabitation. He never treated her like a partner or first mate or any of that. She's just a plate and she knows it. Of course that's not going to work for her, or any woman, long term. She was probably hoping he would change, invite her more into his life, have more regard for her opinions, etc. If he's just going to keep treating her like she's a prostitute, he can't expect her to stick around when he ain't payin.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 05:07 PM
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Ah, okay. I choose cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 06:41 AM
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What's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 05:53 AM
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What has been your favorite squirrel?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 06:10 PM
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Results speak for themselves, there's no mind-reading involved. You want X thing for yourself? Then it's on you to figure out how to get it. Trial and error. You try Y and it fails? Well, now you just learned Y doesn't work at getting you X. Time to try something else. Try A and it fails? Now you just learned A doesn't work at getting X. Time to try something else. Try B and it fails? Now you just learned B doesn't work at getting X. Time to try something else. Now apply this across the board to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 08:36 PM
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She didn't say they have to be mind readers; she said they needed to learn and adapt behavior. Meaning, trial and error. You want X result, you do Y action to achieve that. If Y doesn't work and you still want X, then you should try something else. And since you're the one who wants X, the onus is on you to figure out how to get X.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 08:05 PM
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So you don't believe that it's possible for female sexuality to be different from male sexuality? Like, are you saying that if it's not identical to male sexuality, then you can't see it at all so it must not exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 09:23 PM
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"You can tell because of the way it is." That's not an explanation. Explain to me what behavior they display that makes you think they're asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 08:23 PM
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But how did you come to make that conclusion and based on what behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 05:32 PM
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Okay, so you're defining it as pair-bonding. Fair enough. So how do you know women (and George Clooney) are asexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 03:15 PM
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So then how do you know attraction can be asexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:40 AM
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But what is attraction if it's not sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:08 AM
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Based on the quote of yourself you just repeated, I was and still am asking you what attraction is without a sexual component. Can you answer that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:16 AM
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So you can't explain your own assertions in a debate subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:13 AM
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What is attraction without a sexual component?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:06 AM
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It's not about if they want to have sex with him, but if they're attracted to him? So what does it mean to be attracted to someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:48 AM
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That doesn't mean you'd necessarily find it easy to engage her or escalate the relationship. She may very well unintentionally shoot you down before you even get to that point. It depends on her level of shyness. Whether or not you like it doesn't mean it will be easy for you to get past it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 12:26 AM
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If you've ever worked in retail, you learn how to look at customers and see which ones will be approachable. This is also true in everyday life. If a woman has crippling social anxiety, it will make her unapproachable and it will ward men off. That means it would be a problem in terms of getting relationships. Since you're referencing yourself, I'll reference myself for a minute. I had severe social anxiety in college and it made me act very closed off and weird. I was uncomfortable​ interacting…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 08:38 PM
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This should be even more demonstrative of how important things like personality and demeanor are when evaluating a man's attractiveness. The same actor can be attractive in one role and not attractive in another (or in real life).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 08:06 PM
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I'm a Jew and this song is badass, it's my jam (shared with me courtesy of my jew friend /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin): https://youtu.be/ZaCddFHubrg
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 02:56 PM
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What does this sentence mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 07:49 PM
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And remember that time he tried to save the little boy at the zoo? Awww
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:39 PM
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Bateman was a neurotic cry baby who could barely keep it together if a restaurant didn't carry Coca-Cola. So hawt.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:50 PM
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The majority of incels (that is, the majority of men who can't find anyone at all, not the current population of r/incels) either cite appearance as their main obstacle or have no idea. Since you're not going off of the r/incels population here, but citing the "majority of men who can't find anyone at all," can you link me your sources? Where you're getting this information, I mean, about the majority of "real" incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:48 PM
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Liking sex a lot and not being a prude.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 06:18 PM
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but the person having sex with them thinks they're fine Why are you assuming this? My point is that a guy with a high sex drive will be happy with just about any female body that has a warm hole. That doesn't mean he would objectively call her attractive. It just means she'll do. You can also pick at least one attractive feature on anyone, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 05:27 AM
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I don't know, I've seen people who meet those standards but are still ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:52 AM
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But so, my point earlier was that these guys you have no interest in are not actual opportunities. An opportunity is when it's possible to actually make something happen. That possibility doesn't exist with a person you find completely unappealing. So they don't count as an opportunity. Like, imagine if you're driving somewhere and you have to go a couple miles before you make a left turn. And I'm sitting next to you going, "look at all these opportunities you could be turning left," with every …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:39 AM
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I think it would depend on his sex drive. Some men are super sexual and just like women. These types have very little criteria, aside from basics like youngish and thinnish. The guys who would fuck anything and are attractive enough to do just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:26 AM
1

If the failures don't increase or affect future successes, then what is the advantage of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:02 AM
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I already explained several times why I don't think it's a numbers game. Having a whole lot of failure doesn't lead to the success. You could have success on your first shot or never at all. It's pure chance when it actually works.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 03:55 PM
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Where do you keep getting this "100% fail rate" thing you keep bringing up? I never anything about failing 100% of the time. I said it doesn't happen and it doesn't happen until it does. Verbatim. And if you're a woman who wants a LTR and marriage, you only need it to happen once. It's not like you need it to keep happening after that, so long as your relationship lasts (which is the goal). So the story goes: fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, success! All those fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 07:09 AM
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I understand your point, I just don't agree with it. I don't think it's a numbers game at all. There are no odds, here. It doesn't happen and it doesn't happen until, eventually, it does. All the numbers of non-options are irrelevant because they're not options and, therefore, they don't count. Ten, twenty, thirty guys you're not interested in means nothing because you're just looking for one guy you are interested in. For instance, I was a barely-been-kissed virgin when I met my boyfriend. Prio…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:11 AM
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Okay, so you're saying that, because of the fact that I'm a woman being pursued, eventually I'll just have to like one of my pursuers. It's a numbers game? But to that, I would say, why are you assuming the pursuers have no degree of choice? Meaning, unless you're an incel, you actually do have some degree of choice when it comes to selecting and sleeping with women. So are all of the women you can select from, and actually have a chance with, 100% bad? And, generally speaking, your choices refl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 06:15 PM
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If I feel as much attraction towards these so-called "options" as you do towards ALL men, then tell me: how are they options? If a 12 year old boy tells me he likes me tomorrow, is he suddenly an option now? And don't say he's not an option because it's illegal. He's not an option because I'm not attracted to him. Nor was the 60 year old man with alcohol on his breath at 8am, who asked me if he was too old for me, an option. Because yes, he was way too old for me. So who is deciding exactly what…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 05:10 PM
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I think the point that you're missing is that the average woman doesn't typically have four awesome options at once. That just doesn't happen. She has a bunch of sucky options and then when she actually meets an awesome option, she snatches that shit up in a heartbeat. It's only a high value woman that's going to have so many awesome options she needs to decide which one to pick. The rest of us just wait for one. So again, all those sucky options we have while we're waiting for a decent one does…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 04:43 PM
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Atlas asked if it was really an advantage to have ten guys pursuing you when you're not attracted to any of them. And your response was that you imagine four of them are actually awesome. So, again, what you're still doing is making a decision for someone else that you can't really make. You thinking that four of her options are awesome doesn't impact whether or not she finds them attractive, nor should it. If she doesn't like any of them, then they're all sucky candidates for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 05:24 PM
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Okay, but you're saying that there's a woman who has ten options. She doesn't like any of these options. You, however, choose to imagine that six of them are bad and four of them are "awesome." Therefore, based on this imagination, you believe the woman has the advantage. Because you like her options. But don't you see how your like or dislike of her options doesn't change her situation at all? So, how exactly do you conclude "advantage women," here? What is the advantage in you liking some of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 04:52 PM
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Awesome to who? Who is it deciding that these four men are awesome enough for someone else, who isn't them, to find desirable? You're a heterosexual man and you're deciding who women should find attractive? Based on what merit?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 04:34 PM
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No, everyone is perverted. But I think that men, on average, are more perverted than women. Kinky literotica for women is just one small area of kinky porn in an industry dominated by male consumers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 10:20 PM
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You mean, you watch women fuck dogs and homeless dudes and drink insect milkshakes and public humiliation, etc? :) No, I mean men. I, like other women, prefer literotica or James Deen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 06:14 PM
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This is very... random. There are a lot of different groups and subcultures which do and do not try to recruit or convert people. Jews, for instance, don't go around trying to convert people. Why complain about whether or not that's a priority of theirs?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 05:55 PM
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I hated this movie but that's one of my favorite performances from Tom Cruise. It was like he was born to play that toolbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 05:51 PM
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I don't think women are the "true" perverts. That's just a vanilla guy who didn't realize women could be as perverted as men. I mean, literotica is just one small area of porn. Let's not forget all the strange, bizarre, twisted categories of porn meant for male consumption. Men watch women fuck dogs and homeless dudes and drink insect milkshakes and public humiliation, etc. Have you ever heard of efukt?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 04:33 PM
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Trp advises men to see themselves as the prize, right? Why can't women do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 11:33 PM
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Then beta traits aren't really beneficial. Unless, maybe, you're actually interested in being friends with your fwb. Girls might be more selective about the kind of guys they'd regularly hook up with vs. the guys they'd have one night stands with. Some beta traits may be appealing for STRs but irrelevant for ONSs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 05:17 AM
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It depends on what you want out of dating. Beta traits mainly benefit in LTRs. Acting really alpha helps you get laid, but it doesn't help make relationships last. Most women couldn't handle a LTR with a guy who has no (or very few) alpha beta* traits. He'd just be unreliable and exhausting. That's why having a mix of these traits, at least when looking for LTRs, would be ideal. The alpha traits keep the excitement alive but the beta traits allow for long-term comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 09:51 PM
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I had a creative nonfiction writing class in college where this was brought up one day. The professor was very much a liberal feminist and she thought she was cool because she'd spend the first 20 minutes of class having bullshitting with us about nothing relevant. When this topic came up, I kept my mouth shut because I was afraid. But, like a week later, our professor started a conversation about the word "masturbatory." She said she only recently learned that there are contexts outside of sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/17 04:34 AM
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I agree completely with your assessment of Guy 1. He looks prissy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 02:26 AM
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<3
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 09:40 PM
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Why would I hang out in the IRC? At first out of curiosity, then because the people were interesting and debated well, now because they're my friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 09:28 PM
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Preference (noun): a greater liking for one alternative over another or others.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 08:09 AM
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First, you keep confusing hypothetical scenarios with reality. Obviously I can't know a guy's penis size until I actually see his penis. Second, you're talking about women seeking out guys with 7"+ inch penises. Why? I'm going to quote myself so I don't have to type it again: we already established that it's not a priority, it's merely a preference. Seeking out a man with a specific penis size would imply that this is a priority. For the third time, lets establish that we're talking about prefer…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 07:38 AM
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Are you actually arguing right now that dick size is less important than eye color? Why? On what basis are you making that claim? I have never seen anything to corroborate this in reality. This is a pretty idealistic claim but it's not realistic in the slightest. Not to mention that eye color serves no functional purpose. It doesn't benefit me in any way to date a man with brown eyes over a man with blue. But I do literally, physically experience a benefit by dating a guy who has a 7" penis over…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 07:14 AM
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Women feel attracted to someone, they don't look at a guy and think "well, he's alright, but I'd prefer it if his penis was 0.6 inches longer". They don't care. You're wrong to claim they simply don't care. Not making a specific thing you're top priority doesn't mean you don't care about it at all. It means you care, but it's not the most important thing you care about. It's like you don't understand the difference between a hard condition for a relationship and a general preference. Just becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 06:49 AM
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Started hanging out in the IRC. Red pill looks like a different thing when it's separated from the angry, team man moralizers in the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 02:24 AM
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Female.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 02:16 AM
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I'm also INTP and I'm purple. Used to be blue, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 02:11 AM
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So, a professional is someone who provides good service against her own best interest? Why would it be against a professional's interest to do their job well? Prostitutes are like performers. If they want return customers, they have to put on a good performance. As for my analogy, don't get too carried away with it. Understand my general point: customer service is a job and some people do it better than others. A lot of men who go to prostitutes are probably going because they're unattractive, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 11:19 PM
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The thing is, it's really easy to tell when a sex worker wishes to be elsewhere. Not if she's a professional, you won't. It's basic customer service. I know people who work in retail who give Grade A customer service, like they're the most pleasant, cheerful people you've ever met behind a register and your interaction with them will have you smiling as you leave the store. But they don't actually want to be there anymore than the shitty cashiers with deadpan faces who can't even bring themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:51 PM
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<3
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 05:42 AM
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Cash upfront. She's no fool.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:27 AM
1

Never watched the UK office. I literally can't handle that much cringe. I have to get up and leave the room or close my eyes and cover my ears. r/cringe is worse than r/watchpeopledie for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 07:41 AM
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So generalizing? Why hang out in a debate subreddit if you can't handle talking to people you may disagree with? Is this not the place, if any, to actually listen to what people are saying rather than who you imagine them to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 06:33 AM
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It's one thing if you're making generalizations about a PERSON you're meeting for convenience sake. It's another thing when you're talking about complex cultural issues that have been plaguing humanity since the beginning of civilization. Discussions about those things require nuance. Why the hell would you need to look at that issue "faster"? Do you not see how applying this "faster" attitude is not useful in certain circumstances and in certain conversations? And can even serve to make the top…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 06:10 AM
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What level of reading comprehension do you have that this was too confusing for you?: It's like you heard some sayings and now you think you know a thing. "Work hard," "something about bootstraps," etc. Everything you're saying is general. It's so general that it renders itself meaningless. Here's what TRP would be if you wrote it: "simple, just be attractive." I'm talking about you over-simplifying complex things. Generalizing a complex thing and then calling it simple doesn't mean it's actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 05:19 AM
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I'm not wasting my time arguing straw men. Respond to the content of what I said or don't respond at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 10:04 PM
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Some of your examples are off base, imo. Especially with The Office. Jim was always high beta at best, Roy was the alpha. But alphas are not good ltr material for women with a low dominance threshold. Also, Homer Simpson is still mostly a sweetheart and a father and provider at heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:17 PM
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You interpreted wrong. Everything I said was straight forward, it didn't require interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:04 PM
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Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 07:14 AM
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Can you do me a favor and explain, in your own words, what you think my argument is right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:52 AM
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How does this address anything I just said? Everything you're saying is still an irrelevant over-generalization that does nothing to help anyone or explain anything. Like "be of value." What does that mean? Or this "immense effort" you're talking about? What effort? How?* If getting rich or being attractive was simple, there wouldn't be poor people and there wouldn't be TRP and all those hapless, sexless men who could use it. *I wasn't being literal. Don't answer any of those questions. My point…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 05:08 AM
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It's like you heard some sayings and now you think you know a thing. "Work hard," "something about bootstraps," etc. Everything you're saying is general. It's so general that it renders itself meaningless. Here's what TRP would be if you wrote it: "simple, just be attractive."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 04:14 AM
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It can be romantic. John Keats wrote some of the most romantic poetry and love letters out there. He was a big figure in romanticism itself. But even in Fanny Brawne's love letters in return to him, she complained that he focused too much on looks and that was all he loved about her. His response: Why may I not speak of your Beauty, since without that I could never have lov’d you? I cannot conceive any beginning of such love as I have for you but Beauty. There may be a sort of love for which, wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 05:06 PM
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This is really well put and it describes my experience, as well. I was a pretty hardcore bloop until I started going to the irc. I consider myself purple now for the reason you described---RP theory has a surprising amount of sensible stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 08:17 AM
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Lemme see if this works
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 12:24 AM
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Fear and insecurity are big reasons, sure. But it's also often because it's really hard to let go and you don't want to let go. You still love and desire this person. You want to be with them. But life doesn't care about what you want and certain circumstances get in the way and pop that safe little bubble the two of you were living in. Incompatibilities that are neither person's fault, but where no compromise can be found, so the relationship must end.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 05:57 PM
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That's exactly what "too much alpha" means. The beta is the provider, the person you can comfortably and safely settle down and have kids with. You do not safely or comfortably settle down and have kids with an alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 05:37 PM
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I think that, most often, attraction is actually the reason why women wait to end relationships and allow them to go on longer than they should. It's the reason they stay when they stay when they should leave, until the reasons they should leave stack up enough against them. This is definitely true for younger people. Young people don't know enough about themselves, compatibility, compromise, or long-term commitment to form a stable relationship. Their relationships are more often based in attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 05:33 PM
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I was also never under the impression that girls only wore yoga pants to the gym or that yoga pants were only meant to be worn at the gym. They're a fashion statement. Who takes clothes that literally?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 05:13 PM
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I don't see why she wouldn't not like you right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 03:12 AM
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In what ways is she stuck up? I think it's pretty clear why she's now treating you in a way that you perceive as "stuck up"---because you used to get along until she lost weight and turned her life around and now you say terrible things about her because you don't think she deserves any success. Like look at how you're framing things. In your post it's that she has no sense of humor. Here you admit that you guys just didn't relate. You used to defend her but now you're literally the bully. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 03:02 AM
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Yeah, it takes a lot of effort to lose 30 lbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:45 AM
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Maybe the reason your sister seems miserable and "dull" whenever you're around her is because she doesn't like you. You sound like a terrible brother. How would you really know what she's like around people she likes and people who like her? Without your judgmental eyes weighing her down? Maybe she doesn't laugh at the things you find funny because she thinks your sense of humor is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:44 AM
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Of course there are, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority of fundamentalists are Republicans and the majority of atheists are Democrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 09:46 PM
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Because no one desires them sexually. Undesirables would probably be more appropriate than the term incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 09:57 PM
1

I understand what your saying, but 9 times out if 10, a fundamentalist Christian is not going to be a Democrat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 12:47 AM
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Yet those atheists voted in Donald Trump. Take a look at the kind of people he's filling his cabinet with. You mean to tell me none of them knew this was going to happen? His supreme court picks were out there for the world to see before the election. So it so stands that these things can't be separated.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 08:24 PM
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I disagree with the idea that they're the authoritarian ones and the other side isn't. Again, if we're talking about extremists on either side, they're both pretty authoritarian. That's because you can't really separate super conservatives with religious/traditional values. And they absolutely would enforce everyone else to live by those if they could (opposing gay marriage, drugs, abortion, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 07:19 PM
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Not really. I've been to a conservative school and to a liberal one and they're both very set and strict in their ways, shutting down and shaming anything that deviates from their standard. I was too afraid to speak up for gay marriage at my conservative school when people talked shit on gays and I was ganged up on when I did. I was also too afraid to defend manspreading and porn at my liberal school and was also shamed when I finally did. I'm liberal, but SJWs are not cool pot smoking rebelliou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 05:42 PM
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Why are you removing the action (divorce) from it's cause (the cheating)? You're saying that it's not more damaging if he cheats because she's still the one who leaves him. But that removes all sense of personal accountability he has for upholding his end of the relationship. Why should we do that? If I shit on my desk at work, is it my boss's fault I lost my job because he's the one who fired me?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 07:22 AM
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the person who took the screen shot is always on the right. Holy mother of brain farts. Yeah, you're right. Ty
/r/PussyPassDenied15/11/16 06:41 PM
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Okay, that makes more sense. Ty
/r/PussyPassDenied15/11/16 05:21 PM
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So she was the yellow text? I asked that elsewhere in this thread but no one answered yet.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/11/16 05:07 PM
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Wait so is she the yellow text??? I think myself and the other person thought she was the blue text.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/11/16 04:19 PM
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she made it clear that she would only go if he payed. Did she? It looked like she just didn't want to treat him, not necessarily like she expected to be treated
/r/PussyPassDenied15/11/16 04:17 PM
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Only to my other friends in middle school when we all made up stories about hooking up with some guy who went to a different school. You wouldn't know him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/16 06:04 PM
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Yeah of course, so long as you don't disappear on us! Have fun moving! Love you, lady
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 08:25 PM
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Great ending! Hells yeah! Next we gotta watch The Waldo Moment in honor of the election.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 08:20 PM
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I don't want to be in a situation where my only options are abort the baby, give away the baby, or baby is born but knows its father is out there not caring about its existence. I mean, this is kind of the current situation already. The only difference is that the father is forced to make child support payments. That doesn't mean he's in the child's life or that he "cares" about it's existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 06:27 PM
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that's assuming there's actually a real person underneath all of that to begin with. What do you mean by "real person"? And what do you mean "underneath"? Underneath what?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 06:24 PM
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Have you ever seen Dr. Strangelove? If not, we should all watch it in the IRC one day because it will explain why you're wrong better than I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 03:36 AM
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You're assuming that every woman who claims she won't have casual sex has never been hit on by a hot guy before. What makes Chad a Chad is not that he's never been rejected before. Chad's get rejected. But just because this one chick rejects him doesn't mean the next will. Chad might not go home with her, but he'll be going home with somebody. That's why they have the abundance mentality that TRP tries to emulate. Point being that plenty of women have rejected Chad for various reasons, including…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:57 PM
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Honestly, this "one person" who's constantly offering to help people in a group... I mean, that's kind of an outlier isn't it? I mean, my demographic is 20 somethings who like to drink. There aren't any people going around looking for people to do favors for. That's, again, absurd. If you think this is the case, I really feel like you're not paying attention. Imagine a FMP if you will---the "Friendship Market Place." All relationships of any kind with any other human being can theoretically be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 09:43 PM
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We're just comparing different subjective outlooks, really. I don't expect someone to be a potential good friend if they lack the self-awareness to harness basic knowledge. It just shows a lack of discipline. They can't even learn for themselves, so guess which one of us is going to be the needy one? You still haven't explained to me why women so disproportionately lack basic knowledge in your social demographic than men. I mean, girls tend to out preform boys in school so they can't be that muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 02:05 AM
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There aren't many people who are going to tolerate that type of needy, dependent, or nonsensical behavior from a man. How do you know this? I've seen otherwise. Men and women can both massively get away with acting like bulldozers and making other people to do things for them. Maybe they do it in different ways, but the end result is still the same. A woman will ask for help, she'll make sure you know you're doing her a favor, she'll be grateful ("omg, thank you soooo much"). Men will be more co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 10:51 PM
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Now if a man were to exhibit these traits consistently... he wouldn't have a lot of friends left See, here's the thing: most people, male and female, don't exhibit these traits consistently with everyone. They just behave that way with the people who allow them to behave that way. Like, I wonder if you've tried to actually be friends with women since you stopped acting so placating towards them. I don't know if it would make a difference at this point since you've already formed your opinion, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 08:35 PM
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Sure, but since I'm not into ONSs, that still works out for me just fine. Two birds, one stone. As for TRP guys who are into relationships, like I said, we probably wouldn't get that far anyway because we'd be too incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 02:14 PM
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I'm not sure what your argument is but I don't really care about morals and neither does the redpill. It's the actual tenants of trp, like captain/first mate, that I find unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 01:53 PM
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I'm not the person you were talking to, but I personally don't have a lot of problem with a lot of things that naturally occur which can be called RP. However, I see a big distinction between what can be called RP and the men who hang out on TRP subreddit. The former, I'm not so concerned about. The latter, vastly unappealing. And like Groovy said, there's so few of them, it doesn't really seem like that big of a deal. You guys haven't become an epidemic just yet, so I think I'm safe for now. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 01:27 AM
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Let me share one of my favorite interactions with a RPer on this subreddit. It happened a long time ago in one of the many, many, many posts that were practically identical to yours. This one in particular asked women how they planned on avoiding TRP men, so I answered by sharing a personal story about my boyfriend and I. We met in college through a course we were taking together. We talked for about a half-hour before and after class for two weeks. We had really similar tastes in movies. The da…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 01:15 AM
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Way to ignore the entire content of her argument. I'm a woman and I agree with her 110% on this. It's nobody's fault but you're own if you're having bad sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/16 06:49 PM
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No. most men are ugly and overweight. I'm not saying there will never be a shortage of ugly/overweight men in the world, but most people tend to pair with someone of a similar smv. That's just how it usually to works. So it's not like a 6 female is stuck with her 6 boyfriend for the rest of her life because the only other guys out there are 2's and 3's. She can find another 6 if she has to. The red pill's abundance mentality is really just low value men trying to simulate what the average woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/16 06:33 PM
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I don't know about attraction, but yeah, I think it would fundamentally alter the way we define love because it would change what it's based on. If you love someone, to me that means trust. And if you trust them, why do you need a machine to investigate every corner? Without this machine, we're forced to accept the mystery and learn to trust. If this machine existed, it would present an option that would make trust an unnecessary, archaic thing. The downside of the world without this machine is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 07:50 AM
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I think it can. I personally prefer cute guys to hot ones and I think it's incredibly hot to see them in a sexual context (assuming they fuck good). Because it's like, ooo what happened to that sweet boy next door? Now he's a growling animal and I did this to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 11:33 AM
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This makes me think of Haruki Murakami's The Windup Bird Chronicle. He's thinking about his wife at one point and he talks about how knowing a person is like holding a candle in a dark room, so you can only see small bits at a time and never the whole thing. I feel like one of the best parts of a relationship is discovering new things about each other. Learning new things makes you feel continually closer over time. Of course there comes a time where you know most things but I think that natural…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 04:39 AM
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I don't think taking safety precautions actually makes you less vulnerable. This is just unreasonable to me. I'm speaking as a woman, too. Of course taking safety precautions makes you less vulnerable. It doesn't make you invulnerable, it makes you less vulnerable. You really seem to not understand the difference. You also seem to think that it's impossible to acknowledge the importance of safety precautions without also blaming the victim/being a rape apologist. It is entirely possible to disas…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 01:59 AM
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I don't think that the world is safe. I just think that I have the right to safety. I think that the reason I'm confused by your argument is because in my first comment to you I wrote: It is your right, but I don't see why we can't acknowledge how that might make you vulnerable compared to someone who understands what kind of people are out there. I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing because it seems like we're on the same page with this. It's absolutely within your rights to never take safe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 08:55 PM
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The fact that I take precautions doesn't mean that I'm living as if I don't have the right not to do so (I would take way more precautions in this world). What you're essentially arguing right now is that you have the right to expect the world to be a way that it's not. And to me, this is what children do. They think that the world is safe because they don't know any better. In reality, it's their parents keeping them safe. It's the parent's responsibility to protect their kids and then, eventua…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 05:54 PM
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I still think it's my right to live as if these things never happen because it is. No disagreements here, I said the same exact thing in the comment you're replying to. We're absolutely free to live this way. However... This doesn't mean that I don't take safety precautions. This is wrong. Living as if bad things could never happen to you because that's your right actually actually does mean that you're not taking safety precautions. How could you simultaneously take safety precautions and live …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 10:45 PM
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Does it matter who is more culpable? People like this exist in the world. We can't live as if the world is the way it should be, where everyone behaves like they're supposed to. We should be aware of the world the way it is and take some degree of responsibility in looking out for ourselves. People who've been privileged enough to never experience something like a violent attack tend to think it's their right to live as if these things never happen. It is your right, but I don't see why we can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 03:02 AM
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Wait, so you are asking for advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 05:51 PM
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I don't think it would really matter that much. She's vetting you for a one night stand, not a long-term relationship. I don't think your job will be relevant unless it's something you can use to your advantage, like a job that gives you a lot of money to throw around or attractive stories to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 05:40 PM
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Then the problem becomes how we determine what dressing slutty really looks like. Because I'm sure there's the obvious stuff we would agree on, like this. That dress is clearly very slooty. But what if it was a hot day and a woman wore shorts and a t-shirt? The rapefugee is used to women who wear burkas and show no skin all. By his standards, any outfit that shows skin is slutty. Or what if she were wearing a more modest dress, like this? It doesn't show cleavage and it stops just below her knee…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 05:01 PM
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Are you insinuating that most inventors don't have assistants?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 05:17 PM
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They're a deviation from the norm. Unless you're not weak, being weird will get you mocked. They're weak and people have a natural distaste for weakness. If you walk around exposing your neck to everybody, you're gonna get bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 10:07 PM
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The Loneliest Planet (2011) This guy and his gf have a happy and sweet relationship. He's a nice, attractive beta with no real skills when it comes to things like survival or protection. But, this has never been an issue before because they've never been faced with a situation where his gf would need protecting. In the movie, they go on vacation to Georgia (the country) and hike through the mountains with a tour guide. At one point, they meet a group of somewhat hostile men with guns. The couple…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 04:01 PM
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Most women initiate divorce, correct? So now say that I'm a woman who has never initiated divorce. Say my husband divorces me. Does that mean I should gouge out my eyes so I can no longer observe that the majority of divorces are still initiated by women? Would I be a hypocrite to still recognize that? Should I blind myself to any and all social norms that I don't practice myself? I mean, I would once have said that most women like romcoms. But, I guess since I don't like romcoms, I can't say mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 06:17 PM
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Over-thinking is the bane of my existence. And usually it's like, all this fear and thought for what? Nothing. Silly moments like that. My brain plays shit out like an episode of Seinfeld or Curb your Enthusiasm. It's very, very exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 08:27 PM
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I believe these both to be false, based upon my own lived experiences. Where is there to go from here? My own experiences tell me otherwise. I'm very skeptical that most women would leave their boyfriend, and especially their husband, because he cried. What happened to your brother is bizarre to me, but I can't speak on it because I don't know enough about it. I've just seen too many examples of the opposite to agree that this is the norm. I don't think I'm attributing the best possible outcome …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 05:39 PM
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Yeah, you must have stopped reading my comment after the first line then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 04:53 PM
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So you think women enjoy fantasizing about a guy getting emotional but when that happens in real life... What?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 04:23 PM
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If he decided to curl up into a ball and stay home playing Call of Duty for the rest of the movies I reckon the female viewers would be less attracted to the character. Well, as I said at the end of my comment, it's not the emotionality that turns women off, it's merely when you stop engaging in the behaviors that turn women on. Your boyfriend playing CoD isn't generally a turn off, but if that's all he does, then he's clearly stopped engaging in the other behaviors that turn you on. And I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 03:25 PM
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Then why do so many romantic novels and romcoms (which are directed towards female audiences) involve the male lead getting emotional at some point? Even stoic, humorless, boring af vampires like Edward Cullen get overwhelmed with sadness at some point, requiring comfort. And the women want to comfort them. They want to see those moments where they break away from stoicism and show their raw, emotional self underneath. We can argue that these guys can get away with it because they're already hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 12:24 AM
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Until he proves otherwise experience my imagination tells me its most likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 04:58 AM
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Read what I'm actually writing: Are you imagining that the guy you're talking to has an ugly girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 04:17 AM
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You're argument is that his girlfriend must have a low SMV, is it not? And, as I said before, that argument is based only in your imagination. Also, if you're RP, you should know better than to say SMV and RMV like they're interchangeable. This is your terminology, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 02:26 AM
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You don't actually know what his girlfriend looks like, though, so your argument is based purely in your imagination. Also, SMV isn't the same thing as RMV. You probably wouldn't marry a 10/10 bitchy sloot over a feminine, compliant 7/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 05:19 PM
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I have social anxiety, not like extremely severe but pretty bad. It's gotten a lot better over the years but it'll probably never be gone. My days are a series of awkward mishaps. Yesterday I went to Wawa to get a milkshake from that machine they have, but the machine wasn't working. I see two employees on the floor having a conversation and debate for five minutes whether it's worth it to interrupt them over this. Time runs out, they both leave the floor. Then I see another employee cleaning a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 04:52 PM
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I mean, this is the attitude you have to adopt if you're gonna slum it. But TRPers don't want to marry sluts who can match them disease for disease. They want nice, clean, wholesome women for marriage and LTRs (the ones who want those kinds of relationships, at least). So how do you keep Susie Homemaker around after you tell her about your HPV or hepatitis or whatever? Do you lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 03:53 PM
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Saying you'll do it for some past guy, but not the current guy, is really just a way of saying that he will always be second-best (or worse) ... and that he will never get your best. How is trying something once with your partner something you're doing for them? Is that why you think women have sex with their boyfriends? For them? If a chick tries anal once or twice with Guy 1, decides she's not into it, and then refuses to do it with Guy 2, there doesn't have to be some secret, calculated judgm…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:05 PM
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By your standards, all TRPers would make bad husbands and boyfriends because they were happy doormats for women in their past but not for the woman they they date post-RP. Therefore, they are taking advantage of their wives. Edit: also, by your standards, a good partner is defined by how much they're willing to be a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 05:45 PM
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So do you believe a female is taking advantage of "beta bucks" by not giving anal, even if she only gave anal in the past because she allowed herself to be treated like a doormat?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 05:00 PM
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Pay attention to what I'm asking you. TRPers describe having once been doormats and say they'll no longer allow themselves to be treated as such. Do you think that women can experience being a doormat and, in the same manner, say they will no longer allow themselves to be treated as such?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 04:47 PM
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If I were you, I would respect her decision of not wanting to come, and leave it at that Why? Do her desires (of not being there) trump his desires (of wanting her support)? And to the extent that no conversation should even be had? Are people not allowed to have expectations for what they want in a relationship? Standards of how they want to be treated? I think every person who enters a relationship on this planet does so with a certain set of conditions (love shouldn't be unconditional, right?…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 04:25 PM
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A lot of RP guys report having formerly been beta orbiters, putting "pussy on a pedestal," being errand boys for girls they were crushing on, bending over backwards to please them, etc. One of the main ideas behind TRP is you get a grip of yourself, stop being a doormat, and never bend over for women like that again. Can you see how this might be an equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 04:08 PM
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women with sick husbands often have a very large support network of friends and family who will help them and be there for them when they need to vent/cry/scream etc, and men often do not. Men are expected to still go to work, take care of their sick spouse, take care of their kids, and run the home with little to no outside help. Could it just be possible that women are just better at asking for help? Like that long-running joke about how men refuse to ask for directions. Maybe they are expecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 05:00 AM
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It's a general statement. Like many general statements, it makes a single point that excludes a lot of nuances. Do you need every general statement to include an asterisk with a bunch of clarifications? "Don't judge a book by it's cover," "Nice guys finish last," "Do unto others..." You're not saying anything with this post that most people don't know by inference. When BP says that nerds can get laid, it's generally in response to the idea of anyone saying nerds can't get laid. Whether or not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 08:49 PM
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TBP thinks some girls like nerds, and thus will sleep with them So you're saying that statement is incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 08:18 PM
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TBP thinks some girls like nerds, and thus will sleep with them I think this statement is true and that your post doesn't contradict it. Yes, some girls like nerds and would sleep with them, but how's that gonna happen if the nerd is too introverted to talk to girls? You can be an extroverted nerd and that ups your chances. Think of the band geeks and drama freaks who were all boffing each other back stage. At least, that's how it was at my high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 05:55 PM
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All the answers in this thread are bullshit. There isn't some unjust God or societal scheme dishing out subs unequally. Why isn't there a female equivalent sub to r/niceguys? Because nobody made one. You can make one today if you're not happy about that. Edit: and this sub is bullshit bc people don't know how to debate, so they downvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 05:47 PM
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But this isn't a conversation about RP, it's about TRP and its community. If you're not really part of that community, then good for you, but it's not exactly relevant to what I said. This thread is about what TRP sub gets out of its members.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 05:29 PM
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TRP doesn't want anything from its members. Sure it does. If you're glo, you're selling them t-shirts. If you're Cis and the rest, you're running around telling everyone how reddit "famous" you are. Am I supposed to believe it's altruism? I don't believe anybody in this world altruistic. The mods or whoever call themselves the Endorsed. And they're not even embarrassed. They get to be Big Daddy and have the final word and get all the respect they think they deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 06:53 AM
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If you can't even comprehend statistical anomalies and have to outright deny their existence, you haven't learned anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 06:57 PM
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I mean, straight female friends will cuddle each other and, in some countries, so will straight men. They'll hold hands and lean on each other or otherwise physically express closeness. People are social animals that generally enjoy contact, with or without sexual intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:31 PM
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Where did I say it already? Are you confusing me with someone else? Also, are you a mod over at /r/thebluepill? Because during all the time that I once spent there, I never saw a single post by any TRPers and the vast majority of the comments they attempted to make in any threads were deleted. Which I saw no problem with. But if you have a problem with it, take issue with your own mods. Because they're the ones who keep it safe from RP bombardment. And I'm pretty sure you're not thinking practic…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 03:52 PM
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None of your ideas can be debated and discussed? That's what this sub is for. Do you think TRPers should be allowed to start posting debates in /r/thebluepill?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 03:38 PM
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I'm probably more blue-leaning than red. I haven't read Surrendered Woman but I took that dumb quiz on its website and I nailed it so I don't think I even need the book.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 01:49 PM
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By that logic, you should stop complaining about what you don't have because there are people who have less. How can you possibly dictate who's allowed to complain about what? Tell college kids they're not allowed to complain about student debt because there are real homeless people out there. Tell a person who lost their leg that they're not allowed to complain because there are people who've lost both legs or all four limbs. Tell a person who's parents got divorced that they're not allowed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 08:20 PM
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This is your mentality. [women should] quit complaining about [their] issues because [men] have it just as bad or worse as you do, be grateful!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 08:05 PM
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Pay attention dude: I'm not speaking in metaphor. Do you have access to literal food? Were your parents killed in genocide? Are you a 9 year old boy taking care of your three younger siblings? Do you think your problems are equal to this child's: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Yvd1Yi3z-UU/hqdefault.jpg ??? I'll answer for you: they're not. That kid is a lot worse off than the average incel. So an incel can still complain about their plight, sure, but it's a bit annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 07:58 PM
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Lol, no. Starving children are starving children. Incels can eat. They generally have access to food, water and housing. They've got roofs over their heads and even wifi. So who are they to complain in comparison to little, dying children with bloated bellies and flies on their faces?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 07:48 PM
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But they complain as though they struggle like guys do. It's a bit annoying No, they're just complaining about their problems. You're the one comparing. And if people aren't allowed to complain because others out there have it worse, then that applies to you too. There are starving children in Africa after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 07:44 PM
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Nope, I went with the chill pill and I highly recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 01:39 PM
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I went to TRP for help and all I got was this stupid t-shirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 05:38 AM
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Life is not equally hard for everybody Yeah, but this is where it becomes a competition over who can roll around in the most shit and say they had it worst. You can't get first place and sympathy at the same time. the "Bad guy" is far from imaginary You might as well be the customer in McDonalds complaining to the cashier that the food doesn't look like it does in the pictures. Also, re-read that sentence you wrote one more time--that's what a conspiracy theorist sounds like. Oh, and inability t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 05:01 AM
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It's maintaining a self-righteous narrative where you get to be hero against the imaginary bad guy, when the truth is that life is hard for everybody and we can all be easily misled at one point or another. This thread started on the topic of whether you guys warrant any sympathy. What I just described ^ is something anyone can be sympathetic towards under the right conditions; I'd never care about any character in a book or movie were their story told badly. But here you are comparing your very…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 04:39 AM
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To me, moving on doesn't just mean taking steps for tangible self-improvement. It means letting go of the victimized mentality, as well. Yet, TRP not only encourages self-help posts but anger-phase rants and keyboard philosophy which revolve around (and maintain conspiracy-like blame on) a malicious system that is entirely structured around you, to oppress you and control you. As I said, this is what the very community is founded on, so it can't let anyone forget that. What is "The Red Pill" sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 04:13 AM
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If you look at basic TRP tenets Yeah, but we're supposed to look at what people do, not what they say, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 03:30 AM
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Is my tag blue? Do I have a penis? Did I say anyone was smart or resistant to brainwashing? It's not weak or gullible to simply fall for "societal brainwashing" (although the language here is a little too conspiracy theory for my taste). We all do that to a degree at some point in our lives. That's why I said we all have to figure it out for ourselves (and I didn't exclude myself from that). Figuring it out doesn't mean you were resistant; it means you had to go through some shit to figure it ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:15 AM
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First of all, you seem to be mistaking me for a blooper, which I am not. So I won't respond to any of your comments regarding the sub since it's got nothing to do with me. In either case, what exactly is wrong with people who "just don't get" something either working together to "get it" or occasionally sharing their frustration with each other? We're not talking about the rare rant or burst of anger. We're talking about a community of people that come together around an ideology forged by that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 01:12 AM
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So say what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 10:38 PM
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Yeah, smart people never make one mistake in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 10:24 PM
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Of course I didn't "just get it." I went through some shit and figured it out like everyone else. I didn't throw an Internet tantrum about it or form a bitter coalition.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 05:27 PM
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TRP is angry about having prepared for the wrong competition. I don't think you've been misled anymore than a bulimic was "led" to make herself throw up. I don't think video games cause violence or that clothes cause rape. I don't think advertisements with pretty models cause ugly girls to cut themselves. I don't think porn creates misogyny. There are all types of things in the world which can influence people in all types of ways. But I don't believe outside influencers can ultimately be blamed…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:20 PM
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For the most part, I'm just stoned and having a good time. It bugs me when other people get pissy or clearly don't want to engage in an actual debate. If you can't chill the fuck out and you can't maintain a conversation, why hang out in a debate sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 02:15 PM
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Ahem, *redscum.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 06:42 PM
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"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." X is bad and people who do X are bad. Except for me. I'm allowed to do X because I have justifiable reasons for doing X and I only do X against people who are bad (and I know that they're bad because they do X). I'm not RP, I'm mostly BP actually. But c'mon. If you have to fight immorality by compromising your own morals, then you have none.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 06:25 PM
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I think he's changed significantly, but seeing as you haven't watched a Bond film in ten years, I can see how that'd be super easy for you to downplay.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 06:35 PM
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I know what your argument is and you can keep repeating it, but you can't back it. You haven't even seen the latest James Bond movies but then you confidently assume Bond hasn't fundamentally changed. He has. He's less cocky and arrogant, he fucks less women, he falls in love, and he goes out of his way to rescue the damsel in distress. Connery's Bond did not fall in love. Period. That is big, significant difference. Your argument now seems to be that you acknowledge core differences and then sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:31 AM
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First, I think you're misunderstanding my use of "fangirl" and imagining an extreme type of person. Second, you're basically trying to discount every source we can look at to see what kind of man the modern woman enjoys on screen. Why does it matter what the modern woman enjoys on screen? Because that was the basis of the original claim that I was responding to when you started this conversation. Lets time travel two days back and take a look at drok's comment: You mean like we know that women l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 03:44 AM
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So you've abandoned your original point and argument completely and yet you're still talking? Go to /r/ladyboners and search the top, all time posts. Then count how many are about Chris Pratt vs. Chris Brown. You're not browsing the fangirl subreddits so what do you know about the most popular men among women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 12:34 AM
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Why are you naming old, dead people in a conversation about what the modern generation of women like in the modern generation of men? Too young for Sean Connery is like 35 and below. He's like an embarrassing, sexist, drunk uncle and that's why the SNL Jeopardy parody of him is so hilarious. James Dean is dead, Elvis is dead, Bon Jovi looks like this now, Brando's dead (and he was big and old and fat before he died), Axel Rose looks like this, Cobain's dead, Hendrix is dead, Chris Brown didn't g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 09:07 AM
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I think you live in a hole or something. Chris Pratt is all over Reddit, he was in Guardians of the Galaxy and Jurassic World. How do you not know who Chris Pratt is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 05:20 AM
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If there are only a few of these guys out there and they're the types that women are truly attracted to, you think they'd be actively elevated and completely stand out from all the rest. Yet it's sweet Chris Pratt they get wet over, not Chris Brown.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 12:50 AM
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Possibly, but have you ever browsed a tumblr fansite? It's like videos of Tom Hiddleston giving a cold reporter his jacket and them going, "awwwww." That shit is sploosh-worthy. And the complete opposite of Connery bragging about lady-beating. Fans still look at the actor separate from the roles and then fawn over how great they are. Stealth edit: I want to add one more point, which is that even if these guys play "bad boys" on screen, their characters still fall in love. Connery even said in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 09:00 PM
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I think you've lost sight of my point. Drok said that because women like Sean Connery and Sean Connery smacked a woman, we can assume women like men who slap women. My argument is that women no longer like Sean Connery, his attitude is outdated, and that you would be hard-pressed to find a modern heart-throb who admittedly slaps women. Times have changed. The vast majority of male celebrities that are idolized by women have very sweet and respectful personas. Regardless of their tattoos or whate…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 08:58 PM
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I never said they weren't hot. They'll always be physically good-looking. But the modern, attractive persona is still a nice guy. Today's version of "bad boy" is incredibly tame. Tattoos are not signifiers of behavior. And I think you're removed from the world you're talking about. All of the guys I mentioned have huge fan-bases. And this is what you call a bad boy? Do you even know who Hugh Jackman is? Also, Bieber's last album was in 2015, it's called Purpose, and here are some of the lyrics t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 07:27 AM
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Bieber writes ghey love songs and mostly puts on a sweet persona. Chris Brown is old news and is hardly fangirl material. Women fangirl over guys like Tom Hiddleston, Benedict Cumbersnatch, Hugh Jackman, Ryan Reynolds, the One Direction dudes, Channing Tatum (could he be any sweeter??), Zac friggin Efron. Of course you can cherry pick a few "bad boys" (which are nothing in comparison to the what constituted the term back in the day---look at modern rock n' roll vs. Mick Jagger singing about fuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 06:35 AM
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Sean Connery was popular in a different era completely. Look at the kinds of guys who are idolized today as opposed to back then. They're all still hot, but the majority of them have very sweet, nice personas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 03:28 AM
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I think they fake crying a lot in those videos. I saw one on eFukt where they put a lot of things up her ass, including live fish or something. She was "crying" and saying shit like, "I bring shame to my family" and something about how she should have just worked in a nail salon. They usually know what they're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 10:58 PM
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He couldn't give obviously edited footage to a judge, though. They'd want the whole, unedited tape. And why are you taking one story and acting like its the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 03:49 PM
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I'm a woman, I am not red pill, but I honestly don't know what that comment was if not a neg or a dominating expression. What is the alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 06:47 PM
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Easily provoked? We're having a debate in a debate sub, are we not? It's a back and forth, that's how these things work. But now you're asking me to repeat myself because you haven't been paying attention to my argument, which has been consistent from the start. No, I wouldn't correct a rape victim who called herself a virgin, because as I've said multiple times, he or she can say fuck technicality and call themselves whatever they want to. Doesn't mean it's correct or true. It's like how I trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 12:45 AM
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What's unbelievable is that we've come full circle. Your effort was wasted because you should have been reading from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 07:41 PM
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Reread my first comment in this thread and you'll have the answer to this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 05:52 PM
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Fuck the system by electing a billionaire?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 11:28 PM
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Rape is forced sex. That's what it is. That's not subjective, that's a fact. If it was subjective, taking someone to court over this would be impossible. It's an event that actually happens and there has to be a word for it. We do not live in Wonderland where words can have any meaning one individual feels like. Words are based in shared meaning. They only mean something in consensus. Consensus is what allows us to communicate and keeps the world organized. For this reason, superimposing your fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 11:23 PM
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I told you, people don't have to strive for accuracy. I agreed there's nothing to stop you from saying what you want. But that doesn't mean what you're saying is objectively correct. This has been my argument the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 09:12 PM
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If we're all running off of our own personal definitions that sometimes directly contradict each other, that's in opposition to clarity and to our ability to communicate. If we're using the same word to mean two different things, that hinders our ability to understand each other. And you're still ignoring the fact that if someone is forced to have sex, then they've been forced to have sex. That's what happened. Call it whatever you want. But reality persists whether you choose to acknowledge it …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 06:25 PM
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This isn't Alice in Wonderland. Of course the word "tree" isn't the object, "tree." But it's all we've got to communicate when we try to talk about trees. We attach other words to clarify meaning, like if we're talking about "maple" trees or "apple" trees. If you want to change the meaning of the word "tree" so that it projects your opinions about trees into the definition, you're effectively distorting language for your own personal agenda. And another word will simply arise to replace it, one …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 06:05 PM
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All concepts are words not all words are concepts. Does this not make sense? Most fans of 50 Shades of Grey were women, but most women are not fans of 50 Shades of Grey. How exactly are you defining a concept? I've been going by the dictionary this whole time. The dictionary defines concept as an "abstract idea" or a "general notion." A table is a concept. I could have a steel table, a wooden table, I could have a 3-legged table, a 4-legged table, I could use a tree stump as a table and all are …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 01:06 AM
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I'm not sure why you're talking to me when you ignore my entire response to ask a question I already answered for the second time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 11:06 PM
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You think this, but you don't know this. One person's "explanation" is different to another person's "explanation" of a phenomenon. Those in power or those who conquer a territory get to control what the explanation is. There's a difference between an actual event and the interpretation that one projects onto that event. The event is an entity that exists unto itself, prior to interpretation of any kind. Interpretation happens after the fact and it doesn't change what actually occurred, it just …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 10:40 PM
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Murder is a concept it has no meaning without context / motive. Murder is a word. Therefore, it does have meaning without context and motive. It means "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." If that is true, then it's a concept. A word changing across language and time does not make it a concept. A table is not a concept just because it's "table" in English and "la mesa" in Spanish. A house is not a concept just because the word used to be "hus" in Old English. Wow I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 08:29 PM
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Concept. Human concept. Can you explain? Seriously? The word virgin was specifically created for the purposes of reverence of chastity. Otherwise, why would we care if a woman was "intact" or not? Words are not created to designate importance to a phenomenon, just to explain it. There doesn't have to be. "Have to be" is kind of irrelevant. I mean, this is what humans do. It's human nature to explain the things you observe. This is how language formed in the first place. So long as a thing can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:46 PM
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. Virginity is a word for when you haven't had sex yet. It's not a concept, it's a thing. Murder, for example, is not a concept. I'm so The word murder isn't responsible for death anymore than the word virgin is responsible for reverence of chastity. The word itself can change with time or differ across language, but some word with that meaning will always exist so long as the phenomenon exists (people who have never had genital contact). Someone in this thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:07 AM
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I think the question is pretty direct: is she a virgin if a penis goes into her vagina, even if she did not give consent? The dictionary defines virgin as someone who has never had sexual intercourse. Sexual intercourse is defined as genital contact and the insertion of a penis into a vagina. So based on the described circumstances in the OP (P in V), the woman would not be a virgin. Whether or not she gave consent is a different question. I personally think you're trying to glaze over one of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 02:01 AM
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It wasn't a counter-point? You said what the guy did was fine in comparison to what you imagined a woman would do instead. Imagined being the key word, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 04:14 AM
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Countering one person's argument with a hypothetical is not a counter-argument. A hypothetical is not a basis for an argument. Valid arguments are reality based.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 04:33 PM
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If he was female he probably Made up shit isn't an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 04:14 PM
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Also, it's a totally great idea to run off and marry a stranger that you met like one day ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 12:57 AM
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While I don't fully disagree with you, I think my main area of contention is regarding the topic of what it means to be a person. Like, what is a person? Is a person they're body? Their personality? They're actions? Is a person what they do or what they believe or how they behave? Based on these quotes . . . If they lose the stuff are they still attractive? When the answer is no the person was never attractive, just the stuff. Anyway, in most cases you can't take someone's personality away from …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 10:15 PM
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I think you're missing my point here. Logic. Who's logic? I think that the topic we're discussing here is a subjective one. We're relying on subjective logic to lead us to subjective conclusions (a.k.a. opinions). That's why there's so much disagreement among people on this board. If you're attracted to someone's money, you're not attracted to the someone. If you're attracted to a person's personality, does that mean you're not attracted to that person? You didn't address this in your response a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 04:55 PM
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I guess this is the main issue: which is a natural and legitimate reason to be attracted to someone. Who gets to decide what the natural and legitimate reasons are to be attracted to someone? It seems very solipsistic to look at what you're attracted to, call that the thing which is natural and legit, and then disregard every other perspective and preference. Like, some people are attracted to specific personality types. Some chicks like hipsters or tough guys, some guys like Suicide-type girls …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 11:16 PM
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There's nothing oriented in our society towards patience. Everything is swiping, scrolling, 5 second vines, videos condensed in quick gifs, and headlines. People don't have time to read full articles or books and their attention certainly can't be held by a movie unless there's lots of movement on the screen and loud noises. If most people can't commit to an article, why would they commit to a human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:36 PM
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Again, you're excluding the existence of OPP women. This isn't anything new, you're repeating yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:58 PM
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I disagree that your experience gives you permission to redefine words. An appeal to authority is just a lazy way of trying to shut down a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 02:19 PM
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You are adding these conditions to the definition yourself, but they are not intrinsically tied to the definition. One penis policy simply means that women sleep with other women, but not other men. That's the policy. Now what you're saying is that it doesn't count as a one penis policy unless the policy was decided by the man and not desirable for the woman. If is is decided and desired by the woman, then I guess you have another term for that? That just seems unnecessary to me and like its own…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 06:40 AM
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Isn't that semantics? I don't feel like having a penis other than my boyfriend's and I really don't see any realistic conditions occurring under which I will. I'm a never say never person, but for right now, this is what I want. Not what he wants. I'm enforcing the policy. It seems like you're just trying to maneuver the definition so that it could only mean when a woman is prevented from sleeping with other men by her boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:44 AM
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My bf would be fine with me fucking other guys, but I'm actually the one who's not that into it. It's not 100% off the table, maybe I'd be down one day under the right conditions. But we tried swinging once and I just prefer being with other girls more than guys. I feel like guys are too serious and less fun. So I think you're incorrect in assuming that this arrangement could never benefit or be preferable to the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 05:32 AM
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I don't see how that differs from friends. That's still not sexual pair-bonding. But now you're talking about sex, not love. If we were just talking about an open relationship, or even a monogamous one, do you think the desire to fuck other people means you don't love your partner? I personally think that loving someone doesn't somehow handicap your ability to see the attractiveness or appeal of other people. And being able to see that, or being in an open relationship that allows you to act on …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 05:42 AM
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First of all, we're not talking about me or my preferences. This doesn't apply to me, per say. I was a virgin before I started dating my current boyfriend, he'd only had sex once before, but I knew he had never been tested. So I wouldn't have sex with him without a condom until he'd been tested, but I got tested with him for good measure. This conversation started simply because I thought your sarcastic response about only dating people in the medical field was unwarranted and rude. If someone d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 05:42 PM
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I'm kind of confused by this response, to be honest. I mean, if you really trust someone, why even bother asking if they've had a test before? Or why bother using protection, for that matter? Doesn't that eliminate the need for trust? If you have to wear condoms or ask someone if they've been tested, you probably shouldn't be in a relationship or having sex at all. Or you could try being reasonable. Someone says in an honest relationship, "I don't like having sex with new people until we both ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 07:38 AM
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Sounds like you're really not thinking about sex outside of ONSs. Some people don't fuck unless they're already in a serious or semi-serious relationship. At that point, conversations about sex, when it's going to happen, and if the other person is clean have plenty of time to come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 07:15 AM
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I don't disagree with that. But what I'm saying is that anger-phase TRPers complain about the same thing she does---not being the "cool" guy that women want and having to change who they are in order to be desired. Or, in other words, not already being compatible with what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 09:41 PM
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Isn't it a general philosophy on TRP that women don't love you for who you are but for what you provide? Isn't that the source of much ranting on the sub? I don't see how her rant is any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 07:17 PM
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I don't really have a problem with a lot of RP's advice. It's the attached philosophy behind the advice that I disagree with. Like, the pope recently said we should do away with the death penalty. I can think that's good advice without being Catholic. Similarly, I think a lot of RP advice would work fine on its own, as in separate from certain ideological claims. Like women being less capable of love, less rational, and less faithful as a gender. I don't believe any of that is necessary in order…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 04:45 AM
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Some women are turned on by guys who can take care of a house, some men are attracted to women career women. It's almost as if different people have different tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 04:03 AM
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If I agree with what's being argued, it could be a turn on. If he's arguing that we need to teach creationism in schools or that Obama's a Muslim, that's not gonna do anything for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 04:01 AM
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I don't agree with the punishment, but the dude is a troll. I don't feel bad for trolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 03:30 PM
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Any argument that relies on mind reading is an amazing exercise in futility.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 05:25 AM
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If that was literally his thought process, I would think he's an easily dissatisfied person, unreliable, noncommittal, and basically your typical branch swinger. Why would I trust that I was "the one" and not some other chick he hasn't met yet? Inb4, "you just described female hypergamy." I don't care; everyone is capable of hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 05:23 AM
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And I was right, you really can't stop yourself. You actually comment to say you're not going to comment. Every new comment brings a new contradiction with it. You're a poor debater, you rely on fallacies, you make accusations you're incapable of backing up, and then you pull some teenage-girl-Regina-George-you-hate-me-cuz-you-luv-me bullshit because you can't handle an ongoing debate in a debate subreddit. You should be embarrassed when you look at what your argument has devolved into.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 02:13 AM
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Damn, and somehow I forgot the best part. Subtext? Yeah that is part of your problem because it doesn't literally state that it is a generalization you assume the claim excludes men as being able to be verbally abusive. So when you made the comment about how being blind to women also being abusive would be ridiculous, what exactly were you responding to? Because I never explicitly said that women couldn't be abusive. Hmmm....
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:23 PM
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So if you're resorting to condescension, does that mean you know you lost? You're still arguing for the sake of it, latching onto anything you can make a random point against, regardless of consistency or relation to previous points or even really the content of the comments you're responding to. The bulldog trying to defend you inadvertently made this point for me when he said you were just responding to whatever that other dude was giving you, like a dog waiting for crumbs and then licking the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:18 PM
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/u/statsfodder argued for the sake of arguing, making two contradictory statements that apparently needed to be translated twice now -- which of course is easy for you to do once he decided to clarify himself, right? I'm gonna say no, and that he sounded flip-floppy because he was flip-floppy. Lets break it down: Claim 1: "Women are the verbally abusive ones." Assertion: women are the verbally abusive ones (subtext: not men). Claim 2 (in response to a comment that corrects the subtext asserted i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 07:39 PM
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There will always be people in the world who think hurtful things. If it affects you this badly, step back from it. It's sort of like how if you smoke pot while you're already in a bad place, it will only make you feel worse. I think you're already a kind of emotionally unhinged guy and then you find stuff like this sub to latch onto and make you feel worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 06:48 PM
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Women are the Most Responsible Teenager in the House' was actually debunked by a BP (or exredpill, I don't recall) member and redpillschool agreed, quietly, that the premise of the article was not factually correct. I missed this. Can you or someone explain why it's not correct? And why is it still on the sidebar?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 06:43 PM
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hey
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 06:04 AM
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I consider myself neither pill. If I agree with something the Pope says, that doesn't make me Catholic. Nor does him saying it mean that it then must be classified as an exclusively Catholic belief. It probably didn't come from him originally and it probably can fit in with a lot of different belief systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 07:46 PM
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Maybe TRP's Chad ideal is also fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 03:32 AM
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Jesus Christ, step down off the cross, you poor misunderstood baby. You offer contradictory one-liners and even this pompous elaboration doesn't make sense and requires a lot of false assumptions on your part when you look at the conversation contextually. Apparently you think you're a mind reader and everyone else should be, too. Reading comprehension won't help anyone in a conversation with someone like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 03:31 AM
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Just reading through these comments -- what kind of retarded, flip-floppy argument are you trying to make right now? Apparently it's not your problem that other guys are abusive but somehow it's this guys problem? You literally say that their choices are their problems, not yours. But once he clarifies he's a dude, you're suddenly saying he's part of the problem, like contributing to it, if he doesn't care in the way you just demonstrated that you don't. Wut?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:00 AM
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I see you like to liberally use word "fact" when referring to a subjective opinion without evidence to back it other than your own biased perception. Obviously we're all fallible, biased creatures, but mistake number one is thinking that applies to everyone else but you. See, it's just too easy to overlook your own opinions by calling them fact because it doesn't require any effort of consideration or explanation on your part. You state an opinion, I disagree, and you offer nothing aside from a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:36 PM
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I think men generally are closer to loving in this way than women are. Your average man doesn't need much, he doesn't have a checklist. Unfounded, masturbatory bullshit. Everyone has a checklist, general standards, and expectations. Maybe an omega has less than a beta, and a low beta has less than a high beta, and a high beta has less than an alpha, but that's a matter of knowing your place -- not gender. But for most people it's important to be on the same page about basic things like gender, k…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 10:23 PM
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I'm not Blue Pill, it's a boring sub, but I will say this: anyone who takes themselves super seriously about anything is inviting themselves to get mocked. Some TRPers wear self-importance like a target on their back.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 09:49 PM
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And yet TRP loves to talk about Fight Club, which is all about a male uprising of the lower classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:30 PM
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No, because guys don't just get laid simply because they've been laid before. If a guy has a high N-count, it's because he's attractive in either looks, personality, or both. It doesn't work the other way around. Finding out a gross, disgusting guy has a high N-count isn't going to mutate his face into someone hot-looking. That said, maybe a high N-count on an already attractive guy would make him more appealing to a particular type of girl -- a girl who already has a high N-count herself. Or it…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 02:23 AM
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How are threesomes narcissistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 02:49 PM
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You might as well say that no kink (using the term loosely here) exists at all because the prerequisite will always be that you find the other person attractive. But if everyone were attractive and there was literally nothing else to consider, than no, MILF wouldn't even be a term that existed. Attraction is the obvious, permanent basis here for all things sexual --- it's off of this that people build unique fantasies and tastes. So a hot MILF, as you quoted in your edit, has other qualities asi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 06:32 PM
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You seem to only be viewing this through a singular lens focused on TRPer type dudes. But biologically, humans crave sex. Asexuality isn't the norm. We start getting horny, usually, around puberty. Some people even earlier than that (guilty --- and I'm a girl). I was also a virgin until 23. I think it's wrong to assume the desire for sex is only tied to need for validation. Sex is a part of intimacy for most people. I mean, you could say desiring any kind of relationship (sexual, romantic, or fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 02:51 AM
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How is it the reverse of coddling? Some guy whines about the matriarchy and everyone comforts him with upvotes and hugs. It's a safe space. It might as well be feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 02:29 AM
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If someone told me I'd lose my friends or family, I'd never have a hobby I enjoyed or I'd never achieve anything meaningful for society I'd be devastated. This is all I'm trying to say. I think that the focus on family and friends is good because that boils down to types of relationships (familial or friendship). And it's more comparable to what we're talking about; the loss of a sexual relationship. See, you require a certain kind of closeness and intimacy from people. You require friendship, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 03:44 PM
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That's a copout. You wanted to talk about confidence, assertiveness, job, etc. I gave you examples of behavior from either side of the spectrum in those categories. On their own, those behaviors aren't crazy. Being extremely assertive, or passive, or shy, or obnoxious, or insecure, or into yourself isn't crazy (unless it becomes abusive somehow). It's just unappealing. But yeah, call it crazy to act like it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:26 PM
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Why can't you answer my question? Forget about sex, what are your basic standards for living? What are the things you could technically survive without, but wouldn't want to? What kind of things would leave your life feeling completely empty and devoid if they were gone tomorrow and uncertain to ever return? I'm asking this because sex may not be the answer for you. That's fine, it doesn't have to be. We all have different needs, wants, and expectations. But you are blatantly refusing to underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:22 PM
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You're not trying very hard to relate. I ask you what makes your life worth living and all you can think of is an addiction? There's nothing else in your life that you consider essential? My entire point is that sex may be nonessential for yourself, but you are now projecting that standard onto the rest of the world and expecting everyone to feel the same way. And once more, expressing concern as if something were wrong with the people who don't. And whether you can think of them or not (althoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:08 PM
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I don't downvote in this sub. I comment here and usually I'm at -1 within a day. Don't come here if you can't handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:09 PM
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Meanwhile women love men for things like social status, job, assertiveness, confidence, etc. Say your wife likes to put on sweatpants the minute she gets home from work. She doesn't shave her legs or armpits regularly. Say she's awkward at parties, that she's not good at being social and seems rude or weird to your family, friends, and coworkers. Or maybe she's the opposite, a little too loud and comfortable. She says inappropriate things to your friends, coworkers, and family. What if she enjoy…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:54 AM
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This is incredibly disrespectful and dismissive of people with high libidos. Most people have some kind of sexuality; asexuality is not the norm. Sexual desire is a basic standard for most. It's a completely natural thing to want. I mean, have you ever been on /r/deadbedrooms? Or even on /r/relationships? Most people don't enjoy sexless relationships. Nor would it be fair to expect them to or demand they put up with that situation, as if their desires are insignificant, irrelevant, or less impor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:19 AM
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So wouldn't it have more to do with how you look than how you act? It doesn't matter how a fat, ugly guy acts because he's fat snd ugly. But if he's hot, being nice won't make him unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:04 AM
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Out of curiosity, were you one of those guys who thought an egalitarian relationship meant bending over backwards to please her and prioritizing her needs over your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:09 AM
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I take your dowry abuse and raise you dowry deaths: http://news.sky.com/story/1230075/india-shock-dowry-deaths-increase-revealed Just because it's illegal doesn't mean dowries have stopped. Women go to live with their husband and his family, then they face abuse and intimidation for not having a large enough dowry. Sometimes they wind up getting murdered so the husband can just remarry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 06:06 PM
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If this guy is trying to think the best of women as a recovering misogynist, he's still missing the point. He keeps trying to judge them all as a group with a whole bunch of presupposed projections. Just because those projections are now positive doesn't mean they're less sexist. His evaluations are still based on sex. Thinking that this one woman is a shit has nothing to do with all other women. Because he's judging her by her own actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 03:49 PM
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How long did you date before clarifying exclusive commitment? I think it was like two weeks. I initiated the convo and it was pretty awkward. Found out later that it was weird because he thought we were already official. Did you have sex first? No, we had sex over a month into the relationship. It would have been just one month, but we actually couldn't figure it out. It took us three different tries, each a week apart, before we finally managed to have sex. Don't worry, we've got it down now. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 07:01 AM
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men who do what they want and don't let others stop them or get in their way. Would you not say this is true for every independent, self-respecting person? And would that not include women? If they don't like controlling men, as you say, this would mean that they don't want someone getting in their way, either. They probably want someone who's "way" is in sync with their own. Yes, they want to respect you and that can't happen if you don't respect yourself. But if they respect themselves, they'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 04:19 AM
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I can step back and see that she has her own life, her own goals, and her own aspirations, but that doesn't change my own. And I'm not saying it should. I don't think that recognizing your wife's agency requires giving up your own. Nor do I think that acknowledging her perspective entails submitting your own to it in an egalitarian relationship. I believe this really is a case where we're looking at the same thing and calling it by two different names. Like, what you call a "Captain," I call a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:13 PM
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Have you been following this conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:30 AM
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Why? Because men ask women out more often? How does that not contradict the previous claim that men are taught by society to not ask women out?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:06 AM
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I married my wife to include her in my life and welcome her along as a loved and valued companion/FM. I think that this is what I mean by solipsistic, though. It's very I-centered and it basically reduces her existence to a secondary character in your life story. It doesn't acknowledge that she's the hero of her own story (as we all are). Acknowledging that means seeing that she has also made the choice to include you into her life because of how well your goals align with her own. And there's d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 10:54 PM
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Tumblr feminism is a fairly recent development. Tumblr was only created in 2007. I was just graduating high school at that point. The OP of this post said he's in his mid-twenties, which means he's about my age. So I stand by what I said. Extreme feminism was not prevalent in our lives growing up. The Disney movies we grew up with involved princes really putting themselves out there and in danger to literally get the princess. I guarantee you that Sarkeesian would have a problem with most of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 09:59 PM
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I don't know that society is to blame for this, though. I'm a girl and I was raised with Disney cartoons where prince's always sought out the princesses. But that didn't stop me from asking out boys. I asked out every boy I "dated" from fourth grade to eighth. If people are truly incapable of acting against "societal" teachings, then that never would have happened. I just can't get behind the lack of personal accountability that theory implies. Edit: ah, I forgot why I stopped coming to this sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 09:47 PM
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To me, this is all a matter of narrative and phrasing. Like, you and I are looking at the same thing and seeing it two different ways. For example: I've made decisions I didn't like, simply because they were the best for the family. Would you say your wife has done the same thing in the past? Could it not be said that you've both made decisions you didn't like, simply because they were the best for the family? She trusts that I'll do everything I can to accommodate her desires, and if I can't th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 09:44 PM
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But regardless of how you define "work hard," you had to know that some action is required if you want a certain outcome to happen. People can't respond to things that are left unsaid and society definitely doesn't teach that women are mind-readers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 09:08 PM
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It is clear that he experimented unintentionally with Game and risking escalation, but for the most part was conditioned to Just Be Nice (and wait for The One™) I missed this part. But I find it interesting that he only attempted to escalate once with a close friend while not engaging the more distant acquaintances who demonstrated interest. Even if there are movies where the best guy friend gets the girl, it's a lot more common in society to begin a romantic relationship from scratch rather tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 08:05 PM
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I disagree. In a typical, formulaic romcom, being nice is rarely synonymous with "putting yourself out there." The guy is certainly considered a hero from the audience's perspective for all his silent suffering, but he still comes forward at the end to make his feelings known. Usually in some grandiose proclamation or something. I think it's common knowledge that if you want something to happen in your life, you have to make it happen. That applies to all areas. Especially to men regarding relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 07:56 PM
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It has long been known that IF we were to find ourselves at an impasse regarding some important decision, I would effectively become the tie breaker. This is what I usually figure, but honestly, I don't buy it. The person who gets final say in a fight can never be constant, it's entirely dependent on who has more at stake. You both are going to have areas where you will absolutely put your foot down if a disagreement occurs. At that point, the other person's only option is to settle or leave. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 07:35 PM
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I'm always curious about this---what does being a captain look like in your relationship? I mean, specifically. Because, on one hand you say that you're good at some things and she's good at others. This would first make me think that "leadership" isn't a constant thing but dependent on certain areas and contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 06:10 PM
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He didn't just lack game though, he never even tried to play. He never once made an effort to put himself out there with any girl ever. I don't know where society advises you to do that. Every nice guy in a movie has his moment of confession.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 05:57 PM
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From my perspective, the issue is the gap itself. Not that his career isn't superior, but that it's not equal. This post is claiming that she would feel similarly ashamed or dissatisfied of his career was on her same level because she wants a guy who's better. I disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 05:44 PM
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You're right, most college graduates marry other college graduates. Which still doesn't prove that women prefer to date up and hate dating equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:56 PM
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I think what you're talking about is more often applied to men than it is women. There's even a name for it, the Madonna-Whore complex. A woman can be someone sweet that you love or someone nasty that you fuck, but not both. I think that what you're saying is possible in some cases, but no more common than the Madonna-Whore complex (which is to say, not the norm). I think it's possible that women are better at seeing someone as attractive while not feeling attracted to them. Like straight chicks…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:52 PM
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I mean, the issue here is that you're summing up a relationship that's been how long? Between two people you know how much? And then boiling it all down to this one, incredibly over-simplified thing. Clearly she didn't think his job made him unattractive---if she had found him unattractive, she never would have dated him in the first place. But you have no idea whether or not she was attracted to him because of his job or in spite of it. You're guessing. You could be right, sure, that guess cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:32 PM
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Well that's the problem, isn't it? One sides definition of outlier is the example of the other sides norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:25 PM
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Dude, you're talking in circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 01:46 PM
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The analogy isn't confusing. It's just pointless to use it when people disagree with its very premise. They're not asking for someone to eli5.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:44 AM
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This sort of depends on location. I think that American 14 year olds look a lot younger than like Russian 14 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 09:05 PM
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You're excluding the fact that the top all time Chris Pratt post is him french braiding an intern's hair. Red pill, take notes. Chad's need to learn how to French braid now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 03:47 PM
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I am not red pill by any means. I was blue pill and now I'm black because the whole pill thing is stupid anyway. That said, you're not exactly campaigning for the free will of women here when you trample their very basic right to narrate their own experience. There are all kinds of women in this world and they're allowed to be attracted to all kinds of people and desire all kinds of relationship models. Some women like to swing, some like monogamy, some like egalitarianism, and some like being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 03:12 PM
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Then don't start a discussion about it? I said it, you chose to engage. That said, something is either rare or non-existent, not both. This is rare, but it totally exists. I'm sorry that's not been your experience, but it has been mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:40 PM
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Maybe your expectations here are unrealistic. I gave that quote about the two or three people in this world to give an idea of just how rare a real connection is. Most people and interactions are kind of fake. But based on my own experiences, I believe there are genuine people out there and that the rarity is worth the wait. This is not a sexual strategy. It's my life philosophy. It applies to friendships, too. If you can have a friendship based on being real and genuine, you can have a romantic…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:49 PM
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I certainly don't. I help out someone who needs help, I'm more prone to do it right away with my guy friends without asking questions. I mean, that's just one example. I know plenty of guys who are friends and love takin the piss out of each other. My boyfriend has been taking Japanese language course with his friend for the last two years. His friend loves to give him shit when he asks for help, and vice versa. Different strokes for different folks, I guess penises don't determine everything. G…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:34 PM
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I understand your point, but I ultimately disagree. I'll try to explain below. This study supports the conjecture that the minority of men have sex with the majority of women. But it does not prove it. This is what the debate surrounds. Notice here, there isn't any ideology involved. I completely think ideology is involved here. Not in the direct subject itself, but the very motivation for looking at it and talking about it. This sub isn't comprised of scientists trying to track STDs or somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 05:04 PM
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If something can be objectively determined, then what is there to argue? No one debates about 2+2. Maybe some people debate things like evolution or global warming, but I don't know why anyone bothers to engage with those people. Anyway, my point is that if it can be proven that only the minority of guys are having casual sex (and I'm not sure that it can be), then the debate wouldn't be about the thing that's factually evident. It would instead be about the ideological theories surrounding it--…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:46 PM
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This is the feminist/liberal/progressive definition of equal yes. You guys should clarify yourselves when you do stuff like this. It's annoying. Yes I did used to do this for guys as well. Sad I know, but this is more why I used the term equal. So how do you treat guys now, then? Do you still drop everything or do you take your time and make a joke? And jesus, how often are people asking you for help at all? Why does this happen to you so much? This is more the PPD version of equal, leaning RP, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 05:09 PM
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Objectivity isn't really achievable when we're debating ideological beliefs. Ideology, by its very nature, acts as a filter that distorts our perceptions and evaluations. We can do our best to expand our perspectives, but we can never fully escape them. I mean, I'm willing to have my mind changed and some of my opinions have definitely shifted after spending time in the irc. But I've had arguments in this sub before that lasted for days, or a week, or even longer. I refuse to do that anymore bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 04:00 AM
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A while ago, when a girl used to ask me for help with something be it with a class or something else, I would answer immediately(via text), and help them without question. That's what you call treating a girl like an equal? If a guy asked you for help, do you also drop everything so you can immediately come to their service? This is how you treat a boss, not an equal. After I discovered TRP, if a girl asks me for help, I first make sure to say a cocky joke, like "For 50 dollars, sure thing" This…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 03:42 AM
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BP can also stand for black pill, right? Cuz I'm definitely not red. I am in an LTR and how often we have sex usually depends on our schedules. Like if we're both in school, then maybe three times a week on average. If we're on break from school, then I'd say like five. We also fool around daily, oral included (for both of us). I'm satisfied with the numbers, but I do know they'd be higher if we lived alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 04:22 PM
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Poor minorities are oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 05:50 PM
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Yeah, I'm 5'4" and my bf is 5'7", I think our heights are perfectly compatible. Like I can rest my head on his shoulder when we dance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 04:26 PM
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Or maybe I've never seen you call a blue pill circlejerk before and I'm wrong You're already wrong if you think I'm blue pill. Why are we talking about what happens in other threads? Who cares? I came to this one, saw what it was, called it what it was, and you were so offended you just had to say something. And now you're going, "uuuhhhhhmmmmm, but they do it too!" Tu quoque. evolutionary arguements I agree with them because I happen to be a biologist and see their line of reasoning. Evo psych …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 02:43 AM
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When I'm on a debate subreddit and I find a thread full of the people who only populate one side of that debate and are jerking each other off in a circular fashion about how great their side is, yeah, I'm gonna call it a circle jerk. You're all red pill, we know you agree with each other. Maybe this post would have been more appropriate on your subreddit then if you prefer everyone agrees with each other in a nice, safe space and you don't want to acknowledge the arguments that do pop up in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 02:01 AM
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ITT: circle-jerkfest You put in so much effort into a relationship (if you can even GET one) while most women sit back and enjoy it and don't do much reciprocation. You are describing very low SMV/RMV men who are desperate enough to date assholes and selfish takers. This is a matter of low self-esteem, not gender. Low RMV women will date users, too. In a healthy relationship where both people have a backbone, respect for themselves and for each other, this is not the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 06:07 PM
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Say what you will about Sanders, but money hungry isn't really applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 07:53 PM
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so are fields such as writers and novelists I was curious about this claim, so I looked it up. So far, I'm finding nothing to back it. I am seeing however that there is a bias in reviews towards make authors (meaning novels by men are more frequently reviewed/get more attention than novels by women). But nothing says men write more novels than women. Studies do seem to show, however, that women read more than men---an act that also requires high empathy. I personally think the who is more empath…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 07:33 PM
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I personally do not believe that TRP or TBP are fact objectivist. You're two competing ideologies and both sides are all theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 02:16 AM
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Lol, you think an ugly guy having money makes him more attractive? No, his money is attractive, bangin his fugly ass is just the price a gold digger is willing to pay. And there are men who will sell themselves just as easily to a bitch who'll fatten his wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 06:37 PM
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To me, a shit test is just a way of probing someone's ability to be what you need them to be, and everyone does that. All you're doing is attaching conditions to it, but it doesn't change the actions being done or how everyone in the world does them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 02:42 PM
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Men however, are primarily considered about beauty. We don't care if you make 200,000 a year and have three Ph.Ds. We want a hot chick with a good personality. Whenever you guys start this fallacious, appeal to authority thing, your argument is lost to me. No, random redpill guy on the Internet, I'm not trusting you to speak for all of the billions of men on the planet who are or ever were. What you're saying right now---it's only applicable to the kinds of guys that redpill attracts: the desper…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 07:12 AM
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And you can't think of a single situation between men where one might need to evaluate the other's confidence? In gay relationships, in the workplace, in politics? How do redpill men evaluate their women, make sure they're submissive, able to be broken like a good horse, willing to let you command the ship? How do the toughest, alpha-ist of alphas decides to let someone join their gang? What the fuck are fraternity initiations?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 07:07 AM
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An analogy doesn't substantiate an argument, it's just a recontextualized repetition. No one was confused here about the premise (i.e. rape makes women damaged), we just disagreed with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 06:58 AM
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You say women on Reddit despise men who are trying to empower themselves. What I think you meant to say is that bluepillers (and perhaps Reddit, in general) despise redpill men and their idea of empowerment (which often involves shitting on women). If I'm incorrect, please show me sufficient examples outside of the pillospheric bubble you are living in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 04:16 AM
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Maybe, but regardless, it's not like this "don't date rape victims" is a brand new concept among this community, satirical or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 04:03 AM
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Maybe because that little bitch Roosh that TRP loves to jerk off to wrote a satirical article that literally said that men should publicly imply that men will not date rape victims, as a way to deter women from making false rape accusations. And TRPers aren't always the brightest people so they don't get satire?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 03:53 AM
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Why are we focusing on only one of those groups? I'm confused because it's as if you're responding to me making the claim that we should only focus on one, when I never said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 10:26 PM
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Is this the stuff you really spend time thinking about? Even Larry David knows how absurd his daydreams are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 09:00 AM
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Fan theory to explain why Neo still had power over the robots in Zion. Because Zion wasn't really an escape from the Matrix, it was just a distraction. A separate program within the Matrix to make people believe they were rebelling against the system without realizing they were only still working to feed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 08:26 AM
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"The test of first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." --- F. Scott Fitzgerald
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 07:51 AM
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And I have little sympathy for beta males when there are child soldiers in Sudan? I mean, you could always put one person's problems into a perspective that makes those problems seem relatively insignificant. Does that do anything to really change how we feel about our own circumstances, though? If anyone has ever said to you when you're sad, "oh, but there are starving children in Africa," did that make you feel better? Would you respond with, "wow, you're right! I'm actually great right now!" …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 02:07 AM
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If you're always, ultimately striving for middle ground solutions and compromises, then your relationship is egalitarian and the captain/first mate model is in your head. Unless being a "captain" means that, when a compromise can't be found, you are the one who gets the final say. Which, again, is super convenient for you. Its to keep us from having power struggles, because that battle is technically already over. This is a fundamental difference of perspective between you and me that likely can…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 10:27 PM
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Who is more likely to benefit from the imbalance of decision making in the relationship and who is more likely disadvantaged by that? I'm sure you think your decisions will always be based on what's best for everybody, but that's pretty easy for anyone to say--and even believe--once they've placed themselves in the ultimate position of power. I personally think this is just the most convenient model for over-controlling men and overly passive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 08:20 PM
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Except I'm not offering an opinion. I'm telling you how it is, you're offering conspiracy theories. Forget People magazine, see who's got more self-made fan sites and fan blogs and fan art: Vin Deisel or Justin Beiber (and we both know between the two of them who's been around longer).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 08:55 PM
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but most American women are indoctrinated to prefer otter mode. Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Your interpretation of why women like what they like or, even more ridiculous, what they should like is fairly irrelevant. Most chicks prefer otter mode. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:53 PM
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Your proof is like five dudes. What kind of fan base does Vin Diesel have next to Johnny Depp's pretty face? Vin Diesel doesn't even have an attractive face. And you really think most women would pick Terry Crews over DiCaprio or Fassbender? And Hemsworth doesn't count because his bulkiness is dependent on roles and he's also got a pretty face. It's not like we can't tell a nice, fit body from a schlubby one, but most American women prefer otter mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:36 PM
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I agree with this interpretation. Attraction can lead to intimidation (for socially anxious people), not the other way around. When I was younger, cute guys always made me nervous. I would actually avoid them. But that nervousness was because they were cute, they didn't become cute because they made me nervous. Otherwise, why the hell would they have made me nervous? Why would this cashier be intimidated by some random customer? Was OP wielding a knife he isn't talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 06:24 PM
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2edgy4life xxxx
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 06:06 PM
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Look at the kinds of guys that are movie stars or on People magazines hottest list. They all obviously go to the gym, but almost none of them are overly beefy. There is a beefy threshold where women will stop being attracted to guys who overstep it. That doesn't mean discouraging guys from going to the gym, just maybe from living there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 06:05 PM
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Lol and who plays the nice geek? Edit: and on the occasions in the past where "fug guy friends" have asked for my advise, I've always been honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 06:44 PM
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I've heard countless women insist that they don't care (or only minimally care) about a guy's looks. Maybe we say this to convince ourselves it's true because most guys don't take care of themselves anyway? Chicken or the egg. I personally think it's only true to a degree. Personality is definitely a huge factor in attraction, but yeah, so is being physically attractive. If guys are also reading magazines and watching movies and television, this is something they should be able to figure out on …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 05:23 PM
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Because any poor shmo can have a dick, it's not like a cock is a prize or anything. Women aren't turned on by stand-alone dicks. They have to be attached to something attractive. And what makes guys attractive is a combination of looks and personality, both being almost equally important in the equation. And it's really not uncommon to see guys who want that side-order of excitement, too. That's why there's the "manic pixie dreamgirl" trope that feminists go crazy over---guys with their fantasie…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 07:52 AM
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I agree with this. We're all emotionally charged creatures, the only difference is in the way it manifests itself and how honest we're able to be about it. Just because it's more socially acceptable for women to express their feelings doesn't mean that men have less feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:35 AM
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Then only 5% of men are the "nice guys" you've seen women talking about. Edit: However, I think a lot of women have had at least one interaction with this type of guy before, so it's probably a bit higher than 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 03:56 PM
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I'm not disagreeing, black pill means anti-red. I agree with the RP philosophies that I consider to be common sense (and therefore not RP). The philosophies that specifically originated from TRP are the ones I think are bullshit (women are typically less mature than men, less capable of love, etc). Although it seems wrong to say that shit originated from TRP because it's basically old school sexism reformed once more in modern terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 04:04 PM
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YES! This is like Foucault's theory of the Repressive Hypothesis. I don't know how to explain the repressive hypothesis without using his example. So first he talked about how our modern concept of sex was created during the Enlightenment era when doctors and scientists tried to officially define and understand sex as an umbrella term under which many concepts and acts should fall. He even said they created the idea of homosexuality, which had never formally existed until that point. At least, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 07:49 AM
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always manages to be funny without sounding self-deprecating. I love self-deprecating humor and distrust him already. He approaches and teases you about something, then winks or smiles so you know he's not trying to be mean. I don't mind teasing, I can dish it as well as I can take it. But the winking. Ew. "ohhh you're so pretty, you have such beautiful eyes, I would treat you like a queen!!" Who the fuck says this? So you talk to him and find out he's an interesting guy. Really? Because based o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 07:37 AM
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The problem with the blue pill is that it has a tendency to dig through the red pill and find posts made by the guys who misinterpret it as badly as they do. It's like religion; you can't deny the extremist zealots and the people who take it to insane or twisted levels. Like the guy who "trained" his plate to quit smoking and GLO forcing his girlfriend to throw up and feeling like a hero. Sometimes the actions of certain TRPers are worth noting, as well as the philosophy which lead them to do it…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 07:19 AM
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why would you watch Tangled instead of a good Disney movie? If he wants to watch a good Disney movie he's gotta go back to like 2007.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 06:35 PM
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I'm with friends right now but I'm still a nerd who likes to check Reddit. I also have friends on PPD so I like to say hi and happy New Years in the IRC. But dude, it's like you're breaking the unspoken rule here. We don't talk about the fact that we all waste countless hours of our lives arguing on Reddit. Why are you starting another argument on NYE? Even if you do have a wife and kid, actually, especially if you are happily married and a new parent, why would this be how you want to start you…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 06:36 AM
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Well fuckin put. Happy new year!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 06:08 AM
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You're talking about horribly unattractive women messages by ridiculously attractive men, though. Duh? That's what least attractive means. The best response rates came from women 4 septiles lower (!) than the guys doing the messaging - i.e. the super-duper-attractive guys (7th rating septile, top 0.1% looks) had the best response rates from below average women So what? Same thing for the below average guys responding to the most attractive women. (who, opposed to below average men, were actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 08:53 PM
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Yeah, we men are totally in love with the idea of being a consolation prize. Not sure why your feelings or OkCupid's emotional interpretations would be relevant. If a woman views a man as not being good enough for her, then I doubt she would respond to that person, let alone message them herself. If she's messaging guys she thinks are unattractive, that's clearly because she thinks that's what she can get. Consolation prize or no, that's demonstrative of a clear understanding of your own RMV. Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 08:47 PM
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That these 40% partially cross over into "not datable"-territory doesn't make them "not top 40%". How are they not dateable when women are sending them messages? It's relevant when interpreting these numbers. How? Because firstly, I never claimed women sent as many messages as men. Secondly, we were simply talking about how women value themselves in the "relationship market." That means we're just looking at the kinds of guys they message and the ones they respond to. Hence why it's only relevan…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:18 PM
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I mean, I'm not a fan of TRP or anything, but isn't this the same kind of argument people use to support the removal of privacy rights? Like, if you weren't guilty, you'd have nothing to hide. Morals are subjective, we all live according to our own personal barometers and cultural standards. I'm an atheist, but even Jesus said something about casting stones. I don't know, I don't really think you have an argument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 08:11 AM
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It's always funny when bluepillers fail at basic math. Always typical when a TRPer becomes an asshole in a civil debate. Maintain frame, man. Also, not blue. I guess I still don't understand. Right now I'm on my phone and a nice big pop-up blocks the image you sent me. But I don't understand why the "top" 40% of men would begin at below average in looks, even if there are more of them. women barely send any messages in the first place, which you guys also reliably ignore when it comes to evaluat…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:20 AM
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So they could be sending messages to the hot minority instead. But they're not, instead we see that's what 2/3 of men are doing, by messaging the top 1/3 of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:50 PM
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The study itself says women send most messages to men who rank just above the curve in attractiveness distribution (the guys who are below average). It comparatively shows that men send 2/3 of their messages to the top 1/3 of women. Women aren't doing that. However many hot guys on OkCupid there are, they're not receiving 2/3 of the messages sent from women. And if they're harder to find on the site, you'd assume they'd be receiving even more messages since they're among the few desirable choice…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:49 PM
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Manic pixie dream girl is a trope because it's so popular. Hence, trope. Have you ever seen movies?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:45 PM
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So you fantasize that you're like Romeo from the normie world of the Montague Preps and she's Juliet of the slutty Capulets who stole your heart in an unlikely, ill-fated, impossible romance? And you think that fantasy is unique?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:00 PM
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In every relationship between two people, there's always a dominant and always a submissive. One is always the dom, the other the sub. The issue is that you're now asserting an opinion like its fact and the rest of your comment continues off of this false premise. If I disagree with the premise, where can the conversation go? I don't think one person is always dominant and submissive in a relationship, or at least, not a healthy one (by my standards). I've also, in my life, seen many examples wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:56 PM
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Tinder is a hookup app that turns ONSs into a swiping game. Not the same as a dating site where people are looking for relationships. Most women want LTRs, not ONSs. Therefore, guys have a lower pool to choose from when it comes to ONSs. That means the women in that pool can afford to be choosy with ONSs. This does not contradict dragoness's point that women understand the true value of their RMV in comparison to their SMV. In fact, it further supports it by showing that this choosiness does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:48 PM
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And yet 2/3 of men on Tinder message the top 1/3 of women, while women send most messages (25%) to guys they deem as below average. The least attractive men have a 10-20% response success rate with the most attractive women, while the least attractive women have under a 10% response success rate from the most attractive men. The least attractive women also have a 10% lower response success rate from the least attractive men than the least attractive men get when messaging the least attractive wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:45 PM
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When a woman says "no one has to be the leader", I'm pretty sure she's the leader. I honestly don't understand what that even means. Relationships aren't schoolyard games or jobs where one person's the boss and I think that anyone who believes that's what relationships are or should be has control issues. I mean, who controls your friendships? How does this attitude branch to this relationship but not all others? It's one thing to have hard limits and expectations for a relationship, it's anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:41 PM
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You're snowflaking big time if you think there's only a handful of men who would date suicide girls. It's like you're oblivious to a huge cultural scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:27 PM
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Fuckin magnets, how do they work?! Dude, read up on this shit rather than reiterating uneducated drivel that makes you sound like a stubborn pinhead. Emotional bonds are the foundation of human society. Lack thereof is what we call sociopathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:51 AM
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Dude, you're just regurgitating over dramatic RP platitudes. The comment you're responding to describes my relationship perfectly. We are equals and we are happy. I know more about my own relationship than you do. This is one regard where you guys just have to blatantly make shit up to fill in blanks that support your predetermined perspectives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:43 AM
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Here's the thing, since this thread is full of conversations where people state their opinions and then get called liars. I think that you've had rape fantasies, just like many men and women. You've probably fantasized about raping women before. Does this mean you want to actually rape a woman, would enjoy raping a woman, or are really capable of doing that? Does a man having a rape fantasy mean he's a potential rapist? Does that make him dangerous because it's an indicator of future behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:35 AM
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Are you saying you're a snowflake? You're just describing a friggin Suicide Girl and they're incredibly popular, not some special niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:27 AM
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Where have you proven this statement because I haven't seen you do it yet. You just keep saying it but that doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:25 AM
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The majority of the readers of 50 Shades were women, but the majority of women did not read 50 Shades.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:22 AM
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Meanwhile, 2/3 of the men on OkCupid go after the top 1/3 of women. Dude, who the hell lives their life comparing themselves to the best off people in the world? There will always be people better and worse off than you. There's literally nothing to gain from these comparisons.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:22 AM
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Someone has to be the "leader" in a marriage. No, they don't. No one has to be anything. If this is what people prefer in their relationships, good on them. But you're not anyone to speak for the rest of the world, you're just a guy on Reddit. In my relationship, we take turns leading where we're good at it. We take turns being the strong one when the other is weak. Nor does either one of us always gets the final say--I think that's just ridiculous, if not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:59 AM
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See for yourself. On average, women send the most messages (over 25%) to men they rate below average in attractiveness. When the most attractive men message the least attractive women, their response success rate takes a nosedive. The least attractive male senders also have a response success rate that's about 10% higher than the least attractive females get from the least attractive men they send messages to. When the least attractive females send messages to the most attractive males, their re…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:44 AM
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Meanwhile in other cases, women are uncomfortable aiming that high anyway and/or made wary when even being approached by men significantly more attractive than themselves. This is actually supported by that OKCupid study that TRP loves to throw around. Women are a lot less likely to send messages to the men they rate most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:10 AM
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This suggests that women in here may be browsing trp to mock guys who in their opinion are whiney and socially awkward. What does? Where is that being suggested? I reread my comments and I'm not seeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:04 AM
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Defensive for addressing your straw man? You said I "whipped" him into shape, meaning I was involved. I was not. Now you're arguing something else completely. And no, I wouldn't have dated my boyfriend before he self-improved. But that's because I'm four years older than him and I'm not attracted to teenage boys, plus it would have been illegal. In my life, however, I have been attracted to overweight men. In high school I had a big crush on a friend of mine who was chubby and flamboyant, mainly…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 07:35 PM
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Lol what? Where did I say I did anything to whip my boyfriend into shape? Are you talking about the comment where I talked about what he did on his own to improve himself like eight years before he met me? Re-read that comment and find where I would even make sense in that equation of his actions. Stop inventing shit to feed your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 06:26 PM
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But listening to Ben... one reason I think it is logical to go MGTOW Or you could stop listening to Ben, whoever the fuck that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 05:36 PM
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If it makes you happy, I have no complaints---I will disagree with some of the ideological claims, though. And I think being too dogmatic about any system of beliefs will negatively impact anyone. That said, there are TRPers who love to say how much they hate that TRP "works." As if that makes TRP more legitimate somehow because, c'mon guys, they don't even like it! Really, they're just confusing the actions with the ideology. They hate the beliefs they adopted in the process of improving themse…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 05:33 PM
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Everyone thinks different things are wrong with society. Sometimes those things contradict each other. Regardless, everyone still thinks they're right. Moral of the story: no one is right and we're all slaves to our perception. "Blue pill" guys who found the red pill didn't escape ideology, they merely traded one ideology for another. Then you defend it as if having formerly thought the other way would validate your opinion even more, rather than show the flaw that is opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 06:49 AM
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I don't see how anything you just said contradicted what I said. You don't have to be red pill to have integrity or self-respect. Same rules apply. You could subscribe to any ideology and not be a doormat so long as your ideology doesn't encourage self-sacrificial behavior. There's more lines of thinking out there than just red or blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 03:54 AM
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Except there are more than two ideologies on this planet with 7 billion people. This is what happens when you live inside the cave you call a war zone, you forget that things exist outside your bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 01:57 AM
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I'm not giving anyone anything. My needs are irrelevant. Im just stating the facts--what you believe has nothing to do with what gets you laid, just so long as what you believe doesn't prevent you from doing the things that get you laid. You're just projecting shit onto my comments now and I'm not even following what you're trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 01:55 AM
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Men are more likely to exaggerate their number while women will round down. And guys lie to get in a woman's pants all the time; they fake feelings and dangle promises of commitment. In that situation, why wouldn't they say they have a lower number to a hesitant girl? Why the hell would having a penis make someone more trustworthy? I wasn't born yesterday and I'm not about to go around believing everything someone says to me based on some innocuous detail like their penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:28 PM
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Ideology doesn't get your dick sucked---your actions do. Being attractive does. Working out. Being active, interesting, confident, flirty, well-groomed, fun. It's demeanor and behavior that get you blowjobs, not your theories on the female imperative or some shit. My boyfriend used to be very shy, awkward, chubby, insecure. Then he discovered shrooms and Alan Watts and read Steppenwolf by Hermann Hesse. Then he started eating healthy, working out, being more outgoing, etc. He's done a complete 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:21 PM
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The red pill is one ideology which allows you to do those actions, and that's all ideologies are really good for anyway. They inhibit actions or they allow them. Not everyone who does what you do has to think what you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 04:49 PM
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You get your dick sucked by performing the actions that you perform -- the ideology you swallow while you do that is basically irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 07:15 AM
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It came across that since you are red pill you must be my interpretation of the red pill and I will therefore project my own meaning onto the words you actually wrote and only read in-between the lines for what confirms my preconceived notions. I'm not even red pill, but what she wrote was as clear as day; you understood it badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 08:08 AM
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does anything exist outside of what one observes? Dat solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 08:01 AM
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This post makes me think you're a virgin who never had an orgasm during bad sex. You don't think there are bad sex orgasms? I've heard guys who talk about jerking off and having terrible orgasms while being totally miserable. And have you ever read Roosh's shit? Guy sounds fucking suicidal writing his bleakass erotica. People can not enjoy themselves during consensual sex and still cum, so they can clearly not enjoy themselves during a rape and still cum. I mean fuck, there are victims of molest…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 07:53 AM
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Fair enough. I'm sorry. I'm used to being asked leading questions on this forum and I guess that's what I was expecting. I do stand by my first paragraph, though. It's nothing against you, I hate all forms of preaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:49 PM
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TRP knows that work will make you better and tries to encourage their members to put in work and be the best version of themselves as they can be. Can we not have this conversation without you turning into a RP spokesman? You sound like you're doing PR work for RP Inc. Gag me. Anyway, you're arguing a straw man. I never said anyone was forced into this dynamic. I'm well-aware that this is a dynamic that some people want. Different strokes for different folks. I'm just sharing my take on it. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:43 PM
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If it's truly this easy for a man to become "mentally ill," they shouldn't be allowed to leave their houses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:18 PM
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In my relationship, the supportive role shifts based on context. Who defers to who is dependent on the situation and each of our merits. Neither one of us gets to be "leader" or "captain" all the time based on a constant factor like gender. We don't think that gender automatically makes someone mentally inferior/worse at making decisions and therefore in the position of automatic deference. Instead, for us, its a case-by-case basis. Each of us takes control of what we're good at and supports the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:02 PM
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How is that not thoroughly explained in the comment you're responding to? Viewing someone as being mentally inferior to you and best suited in a role which supports you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 07:20 PM
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To add (as someone who has been a part of these Skype discussions and is not red): it's very easy to do it anonymously. Make a Skype account that is not attached to your name/regular email and only use your mic - no camera. Anonymity is not an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 09:37 AM
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First, let me point out that I'm not a blue piller and I hate feminism/SJWs. That said, I disagree with you on many points. Feminism does this by lowering the VALUE of the female role down to nothing. Thus the only thing left is for women to act like men. You're insinuating that there is a female role to begin with, a role that woman must assume and a way that they must act. This is a very black and white perspective. Its like ballroom dancing, with a lead and a follow. RPW live this very lifest…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 09:26 AM
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I 100% agree with this. If you're my friend or someone I personally know and trust, yes, I'll probably believe you. But any random person just making an accusation? We can't change the way our justice system works just because a crime is sensitive. Innocent until proven guilty -- that's how it is and how it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 12:04 AM
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Can you find in her comment where she said that respect means that she expects her man to defer to her and quote that back to me? Or are you just projecting and not reading? Edit: oh and also where she says she expects to always get her way "all the time." I couldn't find that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 11:54 PM
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I don't need it explained to me, I was responding to what someone else said. Explain it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:01 PM
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Tell that to the ladies who are raped when they are wearing burqa's. Emphasis on this. Why is it that I'm safer on a nude beach in a sex obsessed place like France than I am in a burqa in a religious place like the Middle East?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 04:08 PM
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They are saying that the trait of making a woman food she didn't ask for is only attractive quality if she is attracted to the man already for other reasons. Nope. What they actually said, since it's in writing directly above our comments, was: women aren't sexually attracted to men who make them mac and cheese That sentence means exactly what it says - men who make X (aka cook) are not attractive on the basis that they make X (cook). Which is wrong. If you can understand the nuance here, then e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 05:12 AM
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Seriously, don't tell me the sub helps you understand women if what you took away from it is that you should never cook for a woman - that's just stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 09:17 PM
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Maybe because so many of you claim to hate it? That's what the one deleted comment in this thread said and I've read multiple threads written by TRPers saying the same thing. It's a popular theme among you guys. But here's the issue with your post and the people who say they "hate that it 'works'": you can't tell the difference between action and ideology. What works is what you do, your method of approach. The grooming, the lifting, the confidence, the playfulness, the spine. Your system of bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 06:03 PM
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I am attracted to masculine features inherent to men, like they're hands and jaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 12:53 AM
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If it wasn't anonymous it would then be bad? It could have repercussions at her work, so in that sense, it might be bad. But ethically? Why would it be bad? Her joke wasn't about a specific kid, it was about the nature of her work in general. I saw no references to a specific child with a specific problem that would validate your ridiculous equivocation to firefighters joking about a specific dead family where a relative would hear that. You could maybe, more fairly, compare it to me seeing a fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:01 PM
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So you're saying that this joke, made anonymously on reddit, is of too sensitive a nature for you to handle and now you are disturbed by having been exposed to it? Grow the fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 06:47 PM
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You think firefighters don't joke about death? I'm on my phone so I can't see flairs, are you a TRPer or a Tumblrina? You guys sound more alike they you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 06:36 PM
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You should re-read the last two lines of my comment. You clearly never watched Seinfeld, so quit acting like a Larry David fan. It's not that I don't respect wood, I'm just lucky in that I don't have to think with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 05:55 PM
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I judge everyone based on this, not just like potential suitors or something. It's never kept me from being friends with anyone (if it did, I would have no friends) or automatically made me think someone is a loser, but it will make me think they have bad taste. And I just don't want to date anyone that I think has bad taste. I know that makes me pretentious, but luckily, so is my boyfriend -- he's the movie-watching partner I always wanted. That's an area where I didn't want to settle and, than…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 05:33 PM
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Speaking for myself: It's really easy for a hot guy's personality to make him unattractive to me. There have been lots of guys who turned me off the minute I got to know them better. Being an asshole, being obnoxious (big pet peeve for me), childish, too needy or too ambivalent, too self-important, narcissistic, generally acting like a meme-generating social media whore. Even having really bad taste in things, like if he went to see The Avengers in theater more than once. (I'm like a female Larr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:50 AM
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http://youtu.be/mvDj-NYnmS4
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 07:35 AM
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🙀
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 07:59 PM
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How big is that chunk of salt? I don't fully disagree with you, but here's the fault in this line of thinking: it creates a cyclical confirmation bias. You think people are like X, therefore you mistrust or disbelieve any self-descriptions that contradict X. You are more likely to accept self-evaluations when they confirm X. And therefore you think people are X. Rinse and repeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 07:53 PM
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First, I've never made it a secret on here that I think psychology is mostly full of shit. It's not a real science and it's not that reliable. Second, I don't think the trends of populations are that significant when you look at the level of flaw that takes place on an individual level (which then makes up flawed trends). Plus, the tests have questions like: "When making a decision, you rely more on your feelings than on analysis of the situation." Again, I think it's more acceptable for a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 07:01 PM
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All your shit is still hypothetical. Why from the 20th century latest? Would you be more hesitant to accept studies from before that point? If they'd been conducted in the 1800's or earlier, what would be the problem? Too archaic? Too unreliable? If that's the case, why trust the methods of today if you know our trust in them is only temporal? Maybe that's an emotional bias on your part. The test I am referring to, and the questions, are those use by the Myers-Briggs scale to differentiate betwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:52 PM
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How would you or any of us know what's going on with Deen behind the camera? We're not privy to that. Your imagination contributes nothing to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:27 PM
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What if. And who gets to judge these answers and judge how people rationalize and what's the most rational way to rationalize? What culture are these people from? What era? Do you think those factors matter? How can you even pick a situation where there's an objectively better way of thinking that's considered more rational? And why are we trusting the self-evaluations people are providing to made up, hypothetical situations they haven't actually encountered? What if isn't the same thing as know…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:48 PM
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But we don't know that women reason with more emotion than men. We can't debate the height thing because it's measurable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:07 PM
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But everyone has expected roles/obligations in society where, if they don't live up to them, they're considered failures. No one is free from cultural ideology, we're all stuck in the system.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:54 PM
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Why do so many women seem incapable of authentically connecting with others? Great question. Why does it seem to you that women are incapable of authentically connecting with others?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:37 PM
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Another possible incentive: they used to date and broke up awhile ago. Maybe she's not lying, but people are full of shit if they really think she'd have no reasons too. Look how much attention and support she's already getting now online and the backlash Deen is now drowning in.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:06 PM
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You could call it her first course of action and the same rules apply. It's just a semantics issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:03 PM
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It's more convenient for them this way. Instead of going through a fair and rational justice system, they're just going for vigilante/pitchfork style character assassination. And it works because of asshats who think it's politically incorrect to question a rape claim they read on the internet by someone they've probably never met. Meanwhile, Stoya is Deen's ex-girlfriend and there's some possible motivation to lie already. And this accusation just completely goes against the way he's been prese…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 06:34 PM
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I already had sex with my respectful, equal partner today. He respected the fuck out of me. Just because you're incapable of having both of those things simultaneously doesn't mean everyone else isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:40 AM
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I've simply seen nothing in my life which supports the claim that women are collectively less mature than all men. Your simple assertion isn't enough evidence to change my mind. You're not what I would consider a reliable resource. To me, what happened was you found a woman who is happy with being treated the way you are happy treating her. Which is great for you both, but solipsistic if you think your relationships and your wife/past girlfriends are representative of "all" relationship dynamics…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 01:24 AM
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My theory is that most men who subscribe to TRP could not get women who are mature, so they have to target dummies. If you're an immature man with a superiority complex, the only strategy you can take is to date someone who is even less mature than you are. Otherwise, your partner would not look up to you. They'd probably actually find you intolerable. Look at GLO's relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 01:00 AM
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But will saying a line and doing a little act be effective if you're a fat, insecure slob? The point is that you don't have to be redpill or believe redpill things in order to take the same actions -- exercise, dress better, groom, be outgoing, etc. My boyfriend used to be fat and insecure. It wasn't RP or PUA that changed his life -- he took shrooms and listened to Alan Watts. That's what made him start working out and helped him become a charismatic flirt. My point is that there are a ton of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 09:14 PM
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When the season started, I asked my bf why they would make the SJW's frat bros. I didn't get that artistic decision. But since all that shit happened at all those universities ("can I get some muscle over here?"), it makes perfect sense. They're fucking moralistic bullies. It's like the modern crusades. They all love the pope and want to publicly torture and humiliate all the sinners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 07:57 PM
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Morals are subjective, I don't give a fuck about morals. But I do fundamentally disagree with the differences you perceive between PUA and TRP. You don't realize it, but the way you distinguish between the two is also ideological. You think what you do and believe in is more real or less fake than what they believe in and do. Because you're doing it the Right Way and "internalizing" the right values. But the goal is sex. If you both get sex, then claiming one method to be inferior than the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 07:41 PM
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But you say "we". That would imply it's happened to you as well as other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 06:53 PM
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You're missing the fundamental point here. Results come from actions, the ideology that the actions stem from is secondary. TRP is just PUA with different ideology. You could just be a PUA guy and get the same results. You could be any kind of guy and believe in anything and get these same results, so long as your beliefs led you to these basic actions. I don't think most people disagree about whether these actions work -- it's the ideology we disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 06:51 PM
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When has anyone gone up to you in your life and specifically demanded any of this shit from you? Like, not on a forum, but in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 06:32 PM
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Female, black pill, INTP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 07:41 PM
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This ^ comment is dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 04:46 PM
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Deep bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 02:52 AM
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I'm pretty sure calling a specific analogy (i.e. yours) dumb is not the same thing as generalizing about all dumb analogies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 02:46 AM
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What's the value of strong, muscular hands when a dopey or selfish guy doesn't know/care how to use them properly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 08:10 AM
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I gotta say, dominant in bed is pretty general advice. Like, beyond getting into what dominant means, what about specific advice about how to give oral or how to finger a girl - stuff like that. I imagine that since so many TRPers were formally betas who were really unsuccessful with women, they could probably use some good, specific technique guides.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 08:08 AM
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First para, dealing with having feelings and preferences, and claiming I'd said there is never a circumstance where I don't react irrationally. You mean where I asked you a question? That's your straw man? And I can't imagine assaulting anyone. If i had an irrational reaction to a circumstance, you know, like I've said does happen occasionally, it's highly unlikely to involve violence. Hasn't yet, and I do have some experience of drama. That's interesting, because you seem like a hostile person.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:04 PM
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It'd be a straw man if I argued something you never said. But you did say it: I do exercise mindfulness about my feelings. I can and do choose how to react to them. No, I can't imagine assaulting anyone. It's not ad hom, just that you really seem incapable of following my point, or even understanding my view. Lol, why did you edit your comment to remove where you called me dumb ("It's not ad hom, just that you really are that dumb")? It's okay, you don't have to lie to me. Most people do seem "d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:06 PM
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Pony tail guy in Good Will Hunting: feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:06 PM
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A magnetic personality? What would be a magnetic personality? Aren't most guys, I don't know. Funny? I don't even know what you're asking/talking about right now. You have no idea what a magnetic personality would be like? Really? You think most guys are funny? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:39 AM
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Is there a "legitimate" reason to work in any field? With some jobs, you sell your body, and with others, you sell your soul. Like in retail and advertising.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:44 AM
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Cool doesn't make a woman aroused Lol, you sweet summer child. I don't know if this is ignorance, stubbornness, laziness, or a bit of all three on your part. But you vastly underestimate the power of a magnetic personality. Ask /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin about this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 09:12 PM
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I disagree completely. Looks are just the easy way to get laid since you don't have to develop a personality. But there are many fuckable personalities. And if you're not vastly overweight and you don't smell bad, you could develop one that would make you attractive. Women are absolutely attracted to mannerisms, attitude, sense of humor, etc. The problem with TRP is that it attracts a bunch of earnest nerds. TRPers aren't cool. And you don't have to be hot to be cool, but if you're cool, you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 03:09 PM
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So then you don't have one desire/feeling/preference that is not grounded in absolute logical reason? You still can't imagine one situation where you could ever be provoked to violence? Because you're the one who told me you examine your feelings and can logically choose how to react to them and that you can't imagine one situation where you might be provoked to attack someone. As dumb as all those claims are, I'm actually not making them up. These are your words that I've been responding to. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 03:03 PM
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But if abundance mentality is part of what makes a man sexually attractive, then it functions cyclically. Maybe you're underestimating how many things outside of looks alone make a man sexually attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 07:40 AM
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Ehh, possibly. I don't have a problem with being condescending, or cynical. Or your feelz. Daaaaaaaaamn No, I got that, dumbass. My question is why? Not "it's really not that hard to grasp why people feel differently on this issue", or "jealousy is irrational", or "it skeeves me out" or the like - an actual logical reason, or better, a few. These are rarer than rocking-horse shit, in my experience. Lol, who is it that can't handle their feelz right now? Talk about arguing in circles. Have you co…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 07:37 AM
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It's really interesting to look at what you choose not to respond to and what you choose to single out. Except I'm not: I am not perfect No, of course not, you're just the Zen-kinda guy who could watch his mom getting eaten and calmly ask himself: Would assaulting your evil bitch character being back my family? I think that ^ statement is why this conversation proceeded as it did. For some reason, all you can talk about are small, innocuous scenarios where of course your reaction would be easy t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:38 PM
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I mean, the question asked how women would like getting fucked like a "masturbatory aid," not how they would like getting thrown around like a rag doll, switching positions, having their necks kissed, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 07:54 PM
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I personally don't know, but I don't think you really know either. This is all theoretical so one guess is as good as another. Both sides seem legitimate when they simply sound argued well enough, which shows the flaw in theoretical arguments. But on a personal level, I do disagree with you. Everything a Chinook Salmon does is for their survival and reproductive habits. They're DNA gives them a genetic map of choices that they'll follow for their entire lives. They're born in a lake, knowing jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:21 PM
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First, I never argued that you are emotionless, so I'm not sure why you keep defending yourself against an argument I never made. Second, I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think you're a slave to your emotions, either. Or why you would think that the existence of even one situation where you might be overwhelmed by your emotions suddenly means you're a slave to them. It's not a terribly shameful or sinful thing to admit that there is a situation, or even several, where you might not be …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:07 PM
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I don't think I'm misunderstanding your position, but you might be misunderstanding mine: I didn't say that you don't feel emotion. I said that you're implying you can control your emotions, which I don't think is entirely true. But in this comment you actually go onto kind of say that yourself when you write: "However you can choose to feel..." My point is that you can only choose how you feel to a certain, limited extent. It also seems like you're trying to say that how you feel about stubbing…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 10:13 PM
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I genuinely don't understand why people think mono is the only valid way. Is this so different from you think mono isn't a valid way? I'd never want to rationalize away a feeling, but I do exercise mindfulness about my feelings. I can and do choose how to react to them. I have nothing against mindfulness, I think mindfulness is great. But I disagree with the idea that we can honestly choose how we react to things. It's an ideal goal to strive for, but how attainable is it really? Maybe to some d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 01:59 AM
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I'm not saying that not monogamous = weird. I'm saying that you acting like monogamy is some foreign concept is pretty weird. I'm all about challenging the established norm, but let's also be realistic. Feelings aren't always rational. Yes, jealousy is rooted in insecurity. Every person sets their own limits of acceptable insecurity. If you gave an earnest answer during a job interview and watched your potential employer fight back laughter, for instance, would you not think the resulting insecu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 12:42 AM
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Semantics, and irrelevant. That "wondering" is born out of assumption (you assume it's X and therefore invalidate every example of Y with your "doubt.")
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 12:02 AM
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I feel like you're basically just repeating yourself in this comment without adding anything new. Obviously polyamory isn't the norm in Western society, that's why the majority of couples are monogamous. But you're taking that majority perspective to question whether the minority can even really exist (not necessarily in their actions, but in their desires). So even if you see people engaging in a completely different lifestyle, you still have to project onto their inner-psyches to assume that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:11 PM
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To me, I can't honestly picture a scenario where I'd get into a relationship with a woman then be okay with her sleeping with other guys. So when I see said scenarios, I am skeptical of whether the guy actually wants that, or if he is trying desperately to placate a woman who is at this point just using him Since what you're saying is almost entirely based off of your own preferences, isn't this conclusion a little solipsistic? It basically goes beyond disagreeing with a different point of view …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:56 PM
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Why are you being weird and acting like you've never heard of monogamy before? My boyfriend and I aren't 100% monogamous, but jesus, it's not like it's a hard concept to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:51 PM
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I wrote it was not the same: No, but it is a sequential thing. First attraction, and that might end up in love. And then you went onto contradict yourself by saying: "You fall in love without knowing these things about a person. They don't matter." My point is no, you fall in love with a person because you know these things about them. These things are the only things that matter. You can be attracted to a person without knowing these things, but you won't grow to love them until you do know the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:34 AM
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Have you ever seen Remains of the Day? Based on this comment, I would love to talk to you about that movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 06:24 PM
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This is where you went from talking about attraction to love. Your original argument was basically that attraction = love. Now it seems to be: find the hottest, least annoying girl = love. I'm still arguing that neither of those things equate love. If you can't love someone's mind (as well as their body), then you can't love. Loving a body without loving the mind is just an infatuation with an empty vessel, and therefore an infatuation with yourself -- an ego-boosting claim over a desirable thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 05:53 PM
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You made the claim in a debate forum and now it's annoying to defend it? Liberal arts talk sounds more like what you just did right now: I am too annoyed by people disagreeing with me to engage them. My argument is that, if you wind up in a relationship with someone who is completely incompatible with you because you were too distracted by their body to care about their mind -- you never loved them to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 04:15 PM
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Lol, he was a philosopher, not a scientist. TRP wants to claim nihilism and act like they fell down some kind of Foucauldian rabbit hole to see through the veil of ideology (you looked behind the curtain at Oz and it was just your mother!). But god forbid you actually start to talk about real philosophical theory in a debate subreddit about ideas on life and love and suddenly they just can't hack it. What can you not grasp about the actual content of my comment (not some weak ass wiki page) that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 03:32 PM
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It's a metaphor for Lacanian theory. The mirror stage. Attachment to external reflections of self. You can't love an empty vessel. If there's no personality, then the object of your desire is merely a body. You can't even look past the body to see the personality. That's not love, that's self-involved infatuation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:33 AM
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Haruki Murakami. Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World. You should read more. It'll make you a better interpreter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:11 AM
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I would argue that what you're talking about isn't love. It's a narcissistic infatuation. I'm reading this book right now about guy, and every other chapter is about the world in his subconscious. He is the only person in that world who has a mind. He starts to think he's in love with a woman, but he's wrong, because she doesn't have a mind. And you can't love someone who doesn't have a mind. Early on, he compliments her hair and she asks him, "when you speak of my hair, are you also speaking of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 04:29 AM
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Said in my comment that that post may not be representative of TRPers. Just linked it to show the other guy that there is at least one (as opposed to his inability to find a "single one").
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 11:44 PM
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Not that this is even a representative example, but it's a pretty funny and recent one: https://np.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/3so3bp/how_do_i_regain_standing_with_my_wife_after/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 01:19 AM
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Well the store said there were six floors, so, you would assume floor six... since you don't know you're in a joke and you think you're in a store.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 04:14 AM
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And you don't think a misogynistic culture is responsible for rendering them useless, as only utilities for men? I mean, I remember reading an article that followed this one dude's parents in India as they undertook that elaborate process of finding their son a wife. One woman they were considering was ruled out because a relative spotted her riding alone on a bus. That meant she was too independent. And dowry deaths are still a thing - it's estimated 8,000 were murdered in 2013. It's very benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 08:01 PM
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Can you explain the nuances here or what your final paragraph is supposed to be analogous of in this particular conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 07:40 PM
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This is all hypothetical, but I don't think they would. Or most people, for that matter. Not when you've been told there's something even better just one story up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:44 PM
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I'm with you. They're both equally ridiculous and they live in a cyclical echo chamber where they'll sling shit at each other for all of eternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:40 PM
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I honestly won't approach women right now because of this. By "this," you mean the insane delusions you keep inventing so that you'll never run out of reasons to not approach women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 10:02 PM
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I disagree with a couple things in your last paragraph. First, the idea of "how far we've fallen." What generation in history hasn't felt that way about something or another? We idealize the past based on the traditional values instilled in us and then look down on the changes we can't relate to. Every generation thinks it's witnessing the end of the world - it's really just the end of your old man views being important. But I also disagree with the idea that we idolize single, slutty women. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 09:51 PM
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But what happens when someone poses a contradictory perspective on the same exact basis -- I spend quite a bit of time around women, akin to a fly on the wall, and I can validate that what he says is not true. Then what? Now we have to call each other's perspectives into question. It's all a game of perception. But neither one of us still knows the majority of women and therefore we can't make statements of objective truth on this matter. It's subjective truth. Each that confirms what we already…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:38 PM
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But they also have a right to tune out and say they're tuning out and why. They have a right to say if they think something is garbage and that it doesn't deserve airtime. And the network has the right to respond to the loss of listeners by removing the broadcaster who is killing their ratings. You still seem to be forgetting that there is an important business aspect to this. Supply and demand. When people stop demanding what you supply, you supply something different. And if you want to be a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:33 PM
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Why would a network air a show that no one wants to listen to? If only a few people signed that petition, maybe it wouldn't matter. But apparently he pissed off enough people to affect ratings. Having the freedom of speech means the government can't suppress the shit you say, not that you will always be granted some wide forum to say shit. That said, I do think it's ridiculous that there's this modern habit of online witch-hunting where masses of self-righteous, keyboard warriors go after people…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:49 PM
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You're just saying things, though. How do you know what all these women are constantly being told? Can you take the form of a fly on the wall and overhear billions of conversations all over the world? You're criticizing these general assumptions you believe people make about women while presenting your own general assumptions. But that's all this shit. Assumption vs. assumption. Why even care?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:39 PM
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The Socratic method is used to get someone to explain their own views, not to explain yours or provoke emotional reactions. That's just called provoking. because of a lot of inductive reasoning Can you elaborate on this inductive reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:54 AM
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I mean, I guess the first part of your comment is to assume I'm an overweight feminist? I fit neither of those descriptions (tag is black, not blue). But what you're calling game right now, I call obnoxious. That might have been smooth in middle school, but not for a grown ass adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 03:41 PM
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men could easily take back power overnight. Explain how any of your incredibly drastic ideas for regaining power could happen on a widespread scale easily and overnight. What's easy here is imagining a revolution and the overnight part is because it happens in your dreams. But to organize an actual revolution? Easily? Overnight? Do you know shit about history? There's a reason why reconstruction of the south after the civil war fell the fuck apart so quickly. Big change happens slow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 03:18 PM
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I agree. This is why I think the whole "pushing past LMR" strategy is like playing with fire. You could A) wind up having sex with someone who, even if they agreed, truly didn't want to and B) (since I know all you fuckers don't care about A) wind up getting accused of rape afterwards. You could almost say you were asking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 03:10 PM
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Me: "Hey can I borrow a pen?" Guy with Game: "You may have to win it off me" - said while smiling. Me: "...." - turn to anyone else - "Hey, can I borrow a pen?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 03:05 PM
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Yes. Is that what you think you're doing right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 10:32 PM
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Is this an example of a mature response? I mean, you basically gave her post a sarcastic answer that sort of disregards the entire context of this sub. She wasn't asking what one is supposed to do when a stranger accuses you, personally, of being childish. This is a debate sub, she's new to the community, and she looked at a philosophy off of the redpill sidebar and questioned it -- asking for some elaboration or explanation. All of your comments so far have offered neither, they're just misplac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 09:12 PM
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Why should anyone trust your grasp on reality when you can't even demonstrate basic reading comprehension in your responses to my comments? Now you're putting "whining" in quotes as if you're directly lifting some accusation of someone saying you're whining. When did that happen? There's a difference between being upset by people taking illegal actions in attempt to shut something down vs. people legally protesting it. The former is a valid thing to be upset about, the latter just is what it is.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 02:05 PM
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Who are you talking to? Really, when or where have I condoned anything these dumbfuck feminists have done? I simply put you all in the same category of privileged, ignorant, self-pitying, righteous, narcissistic complainers. I look down on you both equally. I think MRAs and feminists will live in this self-serving echo chamber forever. But regardless, one incident of a meeting being repressed doesn't represent the kind of cultural, widespread silencing of an issue or cause in itself. Not like yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 03:19 AM
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No, the women trying to shut down said criticisms have been committing the crime. The criticism is not a crime. Anyone can criticize and they do. These criticisms come from all kinds of people from different cultures and genders. And not just in the form of an academic lecture. And the backlash these people receive isn't enough to say they are effectively silenced. To claim that you are being silenced is frankly ignorant comparatively to countries that actually do silence people who speak out ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 02:59 AM
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But you're cherry picking examples and only one of them shows an actual act of silencing. None of this proves your original point that the criticism of women is some new, revitalized thing that has been silenced in any way. And you acknowledge the existence of sex-negative feminists -- this is a singular voice that has always existed in various forms for forever. Religious, conservative, sex-negativism, MRA, whatever. I don't think a few, specific examples represent something being shut down on …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 01:17 AM
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Where did I say it was acceptable? I believe the words I used were "fucked up." Can you have this argument without talking to a straw man? I'm asking for proof of this silencing you're talking about. Because in both of the videos you showed me, fire alarm video included, the meetings went on as scheduled. There were illegal attempts to silence, but those attempts were effectively shut down because they were illegal. But protesting isn't illegal. It's legal for people to stand outside of Planned …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 12:53 AM
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Another university video. What do you want? Sometimes people don't like things so they protest it. People protest outside of mosques. They protest outside of Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics. They harass the people going inside. Hashtag black lives protesters are interrupting politician's speeches. It's fucked up. But that's also a consequence of free speech. What special treatment are you expecting right now? Seriously, you give me one example of the police moving protests out of the way…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 12:01 AM
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Where are they not being allowed? I see the protesters getting shoved the fuck out the way by cops. No silencing happening. And all this on a dumbfuck college campus, no less. Really, that's the example you give? This whole thing to me (both of your "sides" here) is like if a protest was getting protested. Oh noes. Maybe you should make a new protest to protest the protest against your protest. But what if they protest your protest of their protest of your protest? It's like if you took Human Ce…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 10:04 PM
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Nothing you said disagrees with what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 09:59 PM
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Heterosexual white men aren't allowed to criticize female behavior or its seen as "mansplaining." Aren't allowed? Who's stopping them? Still not showing me where this "silencing" is happening. Being told your "mansplaining" by a minority of feminist extremists means nothing. You say anything today and people can get pissed about it and make some comments - this is the Internet. Now you're basically echoing Sarkeesian's complaints to the UN. Would you also like to silence the voices that criticiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 09:02 PM
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Straight (especially white men) are no longer allowed to publicly speak about their preferences in women or criticize women. What an incredibly overblown, masturbatory sentiment. People care more about how you frame your preferences than about the preferences themselves. "I hate sluts" vs. "I like commitment-oriented women." When what you say is reached by many, many people -- what we've learned is that we need to be careful how we say it. Things are too easily misconstrued, mislabeled, removed …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 08:11 PM
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Political correctness is really no different than Puritanism. Think Foucault: we are modern Victorians. The politically correct/SJW crowd is essentially made up of the same group of millennials that are now kissing the ass of the pope. My campus paper, essentially run by feminists, had an article recently condemning revealing costumes on Halloween and the stores which sell them. The community that you're claiming refuses to criticize female sexuality is actually part of a fairly conservative mov…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:38 PM
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Well now you're just arguing semantics. And now I'll give an opinion. He said that before he found TRP, he already had a lot of negative feelings towards women. And he said that TRP essentially managed to cement those feelings in place. So he went to an advice subreddit about women that functioned to turn him off from women completely. It's not just reading about something you don't act on, it's continually reading something that supports an attitude which makes you not want to act on that thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:00 PM
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Posting/comment history doesn't reflect reading history. He said himself that he finds it interesting and that it's not all about women (although I'd say it's 99.5% about women), so clearly he's still reading it. Or maybe he's just engaging in it through this sub, instead. So I think my question is still a valid one. It's only a question, no need to downvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:40 PM
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So would you argue that, by this logic, no accurate information can be gathered about a person by spending time with them? Seeing as you will never get access behind those closed doors -- you will never see how a person is when they're alone. And why would the way someone acts when alone be the real reflection of their "true" nature? Also, have you ever read Lacanian theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:08 PM
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Depends on the college. Maybe some universities want to look good by expelling accused rapists, but plenty also want to look good by covering up most rapes so that it appears like it statistically never happens on their campus.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:01 PM
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But then why remain an active part of that community that you've now decided you want no part in?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 04:53 PM
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I guess I'm asking what is the point of going to a website that talks about how to get women when you don't want women? Especially if you wanted women before you went there and now no longer want women as a result?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:36 PM
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Isn't that the opposite effect it's supposed to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:57 PM
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No, I realize that the sane majority is lazy and full of excuses, as always.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:48 AM
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I don't live in California, but maybe you should organize actual protests or, you know, do something if you're unhappy about it? Otherwise you're no better than whiney feminists who complain about their shit on the internet. Like make a Tumblr already. What a dumb, passive aggressive post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:34 PM
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No one said you can't have true intimacy or that there's nothing worthwhile in relationships besides sex. No one? It seems she only discovered TRP fairly recently compared to some people who hang out in these subs. You really think there aren't enough TRPers spewing exactly what she said to create some fair confusion? These things are often topics of debate here for that reason. This sub probably wouldn't even exist if it weren't for so many TRPers who said shit exactly like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:28 PM
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When and how was it locked away? This conversation isn't getting revitalized by the Internet, it's just more accessible because of the Internet. But people have always talked shit on female sexuality. Talking shit on it has never not been a thing, even if that talking shit no longer has the controlling effect it once did. I'm also not seeing why "old concept" should be in quotes. It's a really old fucking concept. Think "sirens." This concept is old.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:16 PM
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I think the number of guys who are completely "un-gettable" is a lot lower than other people say it is. It's over-inflated by the types of guys that I just described, who absolutely do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 07:29 PM
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If people can continue to resent whites for crimes our ancestors did centuries ago, if people can still claim men are privileged in this fast developing matriarchy. So this is your argument: If other people can be dumb as fuck, why can't I be dumb as fuck? I mean, that's your choice. By all means, put on a helmet and publicly masturbate like the retard you wanna be.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 06:08 PM
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That's just dumb, convenient, and self-serving. You don't deserve anything because you didn't do shit to build civilization. Your balls are not an accomplishment. This is like Doug Stanhope on nationalism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy19YmQHHJU
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 05:49 PM
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So what point are you making right now? Are you arguing against generalization or saying we should give all men "the credit"? Edit: and let's just clarify something here, there's a big difference between choosing to align yourself with a group that is composed of ideals vs. being born into a group that is composed of genitalia.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 05:23 PM
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Why does the group deserve gratitude rather than the individuals from the group who actually achieved something? Just because you were born with the same shit between your legs as Einstein doesn't mean you're fucking Einstein.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 03:50 PM
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To me, all these things work together and none of it would have changed anything were you to remove a factor. Women are just one factor, but they're as important as all the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 02:49 PM
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But at what point and after how much effort does one decide they can't get women and give up? And how reliable are these people supposed to be? How accurate are their memories once they adopt this as their identity and how much do their memories function to support their new identity? Maybe there are some guys out there who really can't get anybody. But I think a lot of these guys just don't want anybody they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 02:48 PM
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But the premise is very mistaken. Men would rather have sex with an average woman than not have sex at all. Yeah, but I'm gonna take a token from TRP's book on women and apply that here: judge their actions, not their words. I would say a lot of incels have depression and that makes them addicted to feelings of failure, disappointment, victimization, etc. So for those people, it's more preferable to set yourself up in a way that feeds that narrative. Like these guys sometimes overestimate their …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 04:54 PM
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So I don't see how, with this combination of factors, it still makes sense for you to say it was "spurred by women." If you have a problem with that go talk to your friends in sex-positive feminism, they're the ones who always bring it up. If you don't like people putting words in your mouth, refrain from doing the exact same thing. I'm black pill, not blue. I don't like feminists anymore than I like trpers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 04:34 PM
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Christian sexual repression was of everyone, not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 04:05 PM
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You think men had nothing to do with the sexual revolution or that they weren't also happy to escape the traditional role of 9-5 working, housewife supporting, barbecuing father-dom? Sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll was not a purely female movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 03:41 PM
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I would accept this quote if you said, "Incel and mgtow comments are no good representations of rp." But they are absolutely representatives of trp.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 03:37 PM
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What role in society doesn't involve the proletariat slaving away, male or female? People don't escape their designated societal roles just because they're born with a vagina. Everyone serves some purpose as a cog in the greater cultural machine. Every role must be adopted by someone to give it legitimacy. No one person or gender or race or class is to blame for that. We all function in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 03:35 PM
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Can we move on now? I expressed an opinion that you couldn't handle and continually choose to attack. For instance, by "back page of reddit," I was not referring to the sub r/feminism, but to the weak number of old ass, low-point posts you dredged up from the underbelly of that sub and linked to me. Don't pretend with me this is an issue that garners anything close to the amount of attention that "issues" like fat/body shaming receive. This is why I told you to look up the word "body" so you cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 12:16 AM
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Oh yeah, so you dig through the back page of Reddit to tell me how feminists "deal with" sex trafficking "all the time." While simultaneously asking why I'm "obsessed" with it. And somehow not seeing the irony. Your search results: 39 posts, only 12 of which were made in the last year. Average post upvotes: 7.6 Average comments: 3.5 And nearly a third of these posts were apparently downvoted as well, seeing as they have zero upvotes. But try searching for the term: body Tell me how many of those…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:10 PM
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You're not getting it. He didn't address it. No one addresses it. Sex trafficking is equally, if not more important, to most feminists. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 08:07 PM
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One can't be 'feminist' unless they're primarily concerned with sex trafficking? Why do you get to tell this guy his feminism is lesser-then? First of all, I get to do whatever the hell I want. Second, read my first comment. This is my opinion: why I don't like modern feminists. Because I always hear them talk about their body issues, never about shit like sex trafficking. It's not their primary concern---it's not even on their radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 07:53 PM
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No, you did exactly what all modern feminists do. You blatantly ignored the topic of sex trafficking until someone brought it up to you. And then you went, yeah, that's also important. It's bullshit. I have a friend who's very religious and heavily involved in charity work for sex workers and victims of sex trafficking, as well as raising awareness about sex trafficking. She recently even created her own charity that functions as a middle-man to unite different these different charities so they …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:54 PM
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There was no obvious implication made. Nor does something like that warrant being an implication. It should be the first thing everyone talks about if they want to claim they care about women. But it's the last thing anyone brings up, and only when forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:39 PM
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This is why I don't like modern feminists. They don't talk about sex trafficking. Why don't modern feminists ever talk about sex trafficking? Why is the first thing on your list about women's "self concept" being tied to their "appearance and approval"? First thing. What the fuck. I am a woman and this shit is so entitled and self-involved it makes me sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 04:08 PM
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You seem to have difficulty understanding context. That's okay. What I'm talking about is what could be called the male equivalent to female hypergamy. It's still a process of branch swinging. The point is that men aren't more faithful than women just because they don't date "up". This is their form of that action.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:36 PM
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The action in the context we're referring to is still the same. Trading partner A for partner B because A is inferior to B. You can be either gender to do this. Men are not exempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:55 PM
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Why does hypergamy have to entail dating someone "better" than you? If anything, I think it just means dating the best possible partner you can get. That doesn't mean your partner is better than you, just that they're better than your last partner. Men are just as capable of doing this kind of partner exchange as women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 07:37 PM
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How many women on the planet walk around almost naked (in cultures where nudity is significant)? You are still using yourself as a barometer. You literally admitted to preferring mediocre sex over great sex because you just want a lot of hot notches for your bedpost. That is male thinking. You are being solipsistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 03:19 PM
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So you're a man with an extraordinary case of superficiality and you think it's reasonable to judge all women's behavior using yourself as a measure?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:21 PM
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Because you sound younger. Your self-assurance doesn't make me buy your vivid assessment of that picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:47 PM
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I love me some Atlas_B <3
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:44 PM
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12/15, need to freshen up on my vocab. I think the big issue with analogies is that they're all based on some specific premise (the thing they're trying to explain). If someone disagrees with the premise, then the analogy is pretty useless and will likely be rejected (i.e. the analogy is wrong because the premise is wrong). Also, in a similar fashion to your post, I would argue that if BPers don't understand analogies, RPers don't understand how to use them. An analogy explains an argument, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 08:45 PM
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Sure. How old are you, btw?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 12:03 PM
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I'm very rarely proven wrong Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 12:25 AM
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What you vividly imagine only proves how your imagination works, not any actual thing regarding the real guy about whom you're imagining. And how your imagination works is unsurprising. You're like a cliche of what it means to think and interpret like a TRPer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 10:23 PM
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check out the pussy whipped, collapsed in on himself posture, the way he can't face the camera head on, the unworked, skinnyfat body with emphasis on fat. Note the way he leans ever so slightly away from his mistress, as if in anticipation of a blow. This comment reads like if John Nash was a TRPer. Or like one of those awful magazines that takes a shot of a celebrity couple that's not smiling and writes some big article about how they're headed for a divorce and their postures imply a recent af…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 03:41 PM
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Today I would fuck them all. You say you would, and that during these states of increased libido, you are less picky. But if that's the case, then why aren't you sleeping with all these men right now? What's stopping you from having all this sex that you could probably be having?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 03:39 PM
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You absolutely have some control over how you feel Some control over some things. I don't think what gets your dick hard is really one of them. you certainly have control over how open you are to certain ideas and personalities Not relevant to a conversation about physical attraction. Personalities can certainly make someone more attractive, but there has to be some ground of physical attraction for that person to go off of. And the kinds of personality/physical traits that cause attraction for …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 07:18 PM
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That is a direct extension of your biases and prejudices. If that's what you want to call attraction. Not one person escapes the bias of their attraction. It's biologically and culturally and socially infused. It is not a thing any person has conscious control over and it's not a conscious choice and therefore should not be interpreted as an insult. If someone starts getting mad over imagined slights without giving a shit about intention, they might as well be an SJW. Also: respecting someone =/…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 06:09 AM
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I'll let my tag speak for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 05:56 AM
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There's a theory about the Matrix that someone made up to explain why Neo still had, like, mind-power over the machines when he was outside of the Matrix, in Zion. The argument was that Zion is actually a part of the Matrix, just designed to distract and fool people into thinking they've escaped. You can see where I'm going with this. TRPers talk a lot about escaping feminized ideology and some of them mistake this for thinking they've escaped ideology altogether. My argument is that no one esca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 02:55 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 06:44 PM
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my views offer the opportunity for more useful actions, that produce what I want This is a convenience-sake mentality. Convenience has nothing to do with truth. smells are subjective, but I won't be smearing myself in shit before I hit the clubs anytime soon... If a practical study were capable of being conducted on this topic, we could see which tactics were more effective than others. We could get guys to do all sorts of things, including smearing themselves with shit, and collect data as to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 06:28 PM
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how your values cause you to see things how you do, which is simply how you want to see things... By saying that TRP and these matters are subjective interpretation, I am by default accepting that my values shape how I see things. It is TRPers who are continually incapable of admitting the same thing, as you go onto prove. Difference with me is I've destroyed all my values, except for ME And who are you? You think you possess some inherent, core self that is separate from ideas and ideals? If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 04:40 PM
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I got personal to challenge your perspective My perspective: TRP is not an objective, factual thing. Therefore it is false to call it so. It can only be discussed on subjective, interpretative terms. Do you understand how your inability to challenge that without getting personal simply supports my point further? why have you figuratively ran away Ran away from what? What point are you debating right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 03:45 PM
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This thread claims that TRP is objective fact. I disagree, and every comment I've made in this thread so far has been to challenge that notion. TRP isn't objective fact, it's subjective interpretation. Since you already confirmed my argument by referring to your own perspective as your ultimate authority, there's really nothing to discuss further. Everything else you want to bring into it is irrelevant. You're not very good at debating. If you can't make a point without getting personal and emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 02:38 PM
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How is you desiring authenticity in relationships a personal attack? Why are you assuming or even talking about what I desire from relationships? They are very common values Why are you projecting common values onto me? no thought-reading necessary. This is 100% thought-reading. change to other species, same difference. Here's the thing though: we're not talking about rationalizing personal experiences, we're talking about studying behavior and outcomes. You do not have to experience the things …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 03:19 PM
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Whereas you cannot think like me. To do so you'd have to shed the things I mentioned, at least temporarily, which you are probably incapable of doing. This is a weak argument and personal attack that tries to assume my inner-thought processes. Who cares if you think you can think like me but then somehow objectively conclude that, no, the way you think is better or somehow more correct? There's no issue here of understanding each other. I understand your thought process just fine. The issue is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:36 PM
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show some fucking evidence that all incels just have high standards. The OKCupid study demonstrated that men generally have higher standards than women (with 2/3 of men messaging the top 1/3 of women) and that the ugliest men were 10% more likely to reject the ugliest women who messaged them than the ugly women were to reject them. So I still believe that men have higher standards based on looks. And I don't think incels are an exception from that. They may say a lot of things to the contrary in…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 11:11 PM
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Wow. So still no evidence (and more indications of supposed evidence like "the fact is everyone agrees with me" and "maybe I'll give it if I feelz like it"). Backwards justification of acting like an asshole. More personal attacks and unsupported accusations pulled something straight out of your psycho imagination. That's a whole lotta writing to say absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 09:57 PM
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I want you to review this conversation from it's very start, and note some things. In your first response to me, you try to make shit personal. My response: no personal statements, all opinions on the subject at hand. Your second response to me, you start getting hostile. Completely uncalled for, you say: "has been proven by a mountain of evidence that ain't nobody got the fucking time to explain to some clueless person like you who doesn't know shit." Oh really, asshole? A) Apparently you lied …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 08:18 PM
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When you take away something as important as sexual success from a man When who takes away his "sexual success"? I think you're missing the point of the comment you're responding to. This guy wasn't cut out to be successful at anything. He was his own saboteur. You can't have success when you're attached to a victim mentality, because your identity is wrapped around failure and injustice and entitlement. I personally think that he couldn't get laid because he was crazy, not that he went crazy be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:32 PM
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Scientists aren't known to be excellent cuttlefish or lions, either, but we're able to observe the mating habits of these animals easily enough. You do not have to be the thing you're studying in order to study it. but if you could look inward and see your need to see women as noble, life having a karmic quality, and a very strong desire for authenticity in relationships, you could attain another fresh perspective that is also useful in a different way. I don't really know what you're talking ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 04:30 PM
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Is this parody? I'm on my phone so I can't see tags. First, I was responding to someone who is specifically claiming that it is science. And female scientists suffer from the same strong desire all women have to not be self-aware of how they operate and what they respond to, and may also be spergy. Second, is that claim ^ also art? Or do you have anything to back it? To scientifically prove TRP, you'd have to secretly film randomly selected people in a makeshift community over time and watch the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 02:34 PM
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She's asking for proof, not analogies. If you're saying that claim X is objective and scientific, there should be objective and scientific evidence to support claim X - not philosophical arguments. You should be able to link to outside sources. She shouldn't even need to debate you about it, because the evidence would speak for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:26 PM
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If you want to say that your claims are scientific and start throwing around statistics, I need to see the studies that they're pulled from. What scientific study did you get the number "99%" from?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:21 PM
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If he wins the election, all I can picture is some dystopian, Black Mirror future where politics is a game show and we're all walking around like zombies, drooling on our phones over the Kanye vs. Trump drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:16 PM
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This conversation is about semantics, or the power that language has at shaping our understanding of the world and each other. It's the only thing we have in order to communicate with each other. If you say, "AWALT," but really mean, "treat all guns as if they are loaded," then what you're actually saying is not what you really mean. It requires some insider knowledge that you can't assume everyone has. It creates a lot of confusion and unnecessary debate. We should strive, at least in this sub,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:08 PM
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What scientific journal did you read this definition in? What exactly would you say is scientific about this definition? Do you understand what the word "scientific" means?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 04:36 PM
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Lol, are you even in this conversation right now or are you cutting yourself in front of a mirror and using the blood as lube while you masturbate to a delusion that will be more attractive to you than any woman you could ever possibly meet? This is an hysterical rant and it's pretty gross to watch. You repeat the same shit and offer nothing to back it other than highly emotional, lunatic ravings. You do not sound like a logical or rational or even reasonable person to talk to about this - you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:27 AM
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You forget the part where the most hideous women still got messages, hence some men are willing to forfeit the "only" standard as you call it Of course they did, because not all ugly men are incels; some of them have accepted their place on the SMP and adjust their advances accordingly. I do think that the intention of these messages is worth considering, however. IMO, guys are are willing to lower their standards a lot more for a ONS than they are for a relationship (because there's a lot less …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:08 PM
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Terse? Should I be frightened? Women need more than photographs to assess attraction. Online dating will be the bane of any hideous man. How he carries himself, how he talks, his mannerisms, quick wit, whatever, all that shit is best assessed in person. All men need from women, on the other hand, is photographs. They don't get the saving graces that men get with things like status. They're either attractive or they're not and there's not much they can do to change that. Their place on the ladder…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 06:58 AM
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I gave you actual statistics from a study you guys love jerking off to but you provide me nothing but: "this is how I say it is, m8." That's not an argument - that's just how you need it to be. This is clearly just a desperate attempt for you to sustain a narrative that frees you from all responsibility for being completely unlikable. You're even claiming that any woman who could possibly want to date you doesn't exist. What a convenient justification for now never having to approach a woman aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 06:08 AM
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I was essentially a kissless virgin until 23, so I know more about living as an "incel" than I do about this silver platter you're talking about. I know one incel guy and some incel types. I hang around on these communities to get the gist of it. I don't think I need to know them all to understand the gist of it and I'm just not falling for your appeal to authority here. It is brilliant. Claiming you're an incel when you could buy a nice, pretty escort is like saying you're going to starve to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 11:59 PM
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But then they're not incels, are they? It's completely voluntary. Just acknowledge it: I'm so ugly and/or awful that I don't even want the only people who could possibly want me back.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 09:37 PM
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I don't believe any guy who claims he's an incel and he's got zero standards. First off, he's got high enough standards that he won't fuck an escort. Second, there are plenty of fat (and morbidly obese if you have to go even lower) or just plain ugly women, as well as older "post-wall" women, out there who are desperate and lonely. Most men, especially "incels", don't even acknowledge the existence of these bottom of the barrel type women. And if they really can't even get someone from the very,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 09:36 PM
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Anyone could get a relationship by lowering their standards. There would be a lot less incels if those guys were truly willing to lower their standards. If you don't want to do it, why should they?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:22 PM
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I think it's your life story.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:28 PM
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Lonely nonetheless. Read the book. Read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:22 PM
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Read the book. He's just another lonely monster like yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:40 PM
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Dude you should really, really, really read Notes from Underground. "What I really want is that you should all go to hell. That is what I want. I want peace; yes, I'd sell the whole world for a farthing, straight off, so long as I was left in peace. Is the world to go to pot, or am I to go without my tea? I say that the world may go to pot for me so long as I always get my tea."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:32 PM
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From my perspective as an American, the average American 15-year-old is closer to a child than they are an adult. They are definitely not mature enough to date someone twenty years their senior. Any adult who would want to date them would come off as predatory and probably aptly so - since I imagine the attraction there isn't in spite of the age difference, but because of it. You can make any arguments you want about outliers or about how Americans coddle youths too much, but as of right now, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 05:03 PM
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Incels probably can't get laid because they don't want to fuck chicks equal to or lower than their own SMV. Just fuck an ugly chick or a fat chick and your problem is solved. If you don't want to, look in the mirror - that's why no one wants to fuck you either. If you think you are going after chicks who are equal to your own SMV, but you're continually rejected by every single one, every single time, you're probably over-estimating your SMV. And again I would advise you to look in a mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 02:58 PM
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Oh, McLuhan. I don't think that quote really applies. First off, medium refers to the tool you use to communicate, not your tone. It's television vs. written word vs. spoken word, etc. Second of all, the main point he was making was that the medium used to communicate a message will subsequently shape its content. If we tried to apply this quote to TRP, I could easily argue that the content of their messages are often lost, warped, and confused (by even their own subscribers) among the amount of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:15 PM
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The former is a scare tactic meant to play at your partner's fears and insecurities in order to force them to do something they don't want. It's manipulative and hostile and it makes the problem about you vs. them. The latter is an attempt to reason with your partner and find a solution to a problem that your relationship is facing. It's you two together vs. problem. I believe that if the latter doesn't work and attempts at making yourself more attractive to your partner don't work, then divorce…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 02:55 PM
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Is that not* implied by my comment? Anyone who purposely plays with their partners needs or toys with their insecurities as a means to an end is being manipulative, abusive, and shitty. Imo. That goes both ways for your scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 11:09 PM
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When a relationship resorts to two people abusing each other to get what they want, both parties should take a step back and reevaluate their situation and their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:03 PM
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So far in this thread, I've only seen TRPers making this implication.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:30 AM
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She said "thin", not "scrawny", and no one said he was naturally like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 11:27 PM
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I'm not saying necessarily that you were trying to impress him. I'm saying that you're looking at it like these guys (trained professionals) have nothing to offer you because you've got it all figured out already. Accepting help requires accepting that you might be wrong about some things and you should listen to other people for a change. And I've had depression. It's not intolerant to acknowledge that, yes, it's an incredibly self-involved mindset. Doesn't necessarily mean you have to make you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 06:14 PM
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One of the most pathetic and insecure guys I've ever known was also the most pompous. He'd cry all the time about this girl who he'd let string him along and how hard his life was, etc. and then a few hours later would be talking about how most of his problems were caused by the fact that he was just so much more advanced and better than everyone else. That's another issue with stereotypical "nice guys". The only reason they can think of for their own failures is just how good they are. Hard to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 02:23 PM
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This OP didn't say anything about gym-time and neither did she. They were just talking about the differences between the "big muscles" look and the "scrawny" look.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 02:10 PM
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Paul Rudd looks like he has a six-pack in that picture. I can't think of one person who would look at a six-pack and assume a guy did no work to get it. Most women I've heard talk about Paul Rudd's body in Antman have either discussed how much they think he's improved or how they preferred him before. But no one was ignorant of the obvious difference between him shirtless in previous films and him shirtless in a movie where he plays a superhero. You're either referencing a few especially retarde…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 02:08 PM
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Wouldn't that mean that chad is the one who can make women sleep with him either by using his extreme good-looks or by using his well-developed charm and charisma? You call a guy who gets laid whatever you want. I don't really see how a man ''carries himself'' would make him sexually attractive to a woman. What do you mean by how he carries himself? Imagine if a girl sees a really hot guy, goes over to talk to him, and he has an Elmo-voice. What if he's hot, but flamboyant to the point where you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 04:06 PM
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I never said they don't know who they're attracted to, just not if they want to sleep with a guy. I think those are two different things for most women. Women aren't attracted to the vast majority of the men who are alive on planet earth I disagree with this. It's a RP assertion that is only backed by RP beliefs. But anyway, I think a lot more generally goes into attraction for women than just looks. Looks are important, but so is how a guy carries himself, etc. That "extra" stuff is actually pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 02:00 PM
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I wouldn't argue that women are as sexually driven as men, but I don't know where your irrational argument comes into all this. If women didn't require elaborate mating rituals before having sex and just told someone if they want to have sex or not right off the bat, then all PUA, Game theories, manipulation, negging and all that shit will crumble into irrelevancy. Those "mating rituals" are foreplay. I thought it was pretty well-known that while guys can get off on just straight sexual fantasie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 05:09 AM
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Modus ponens isn't a fact or really comparable to facts, it's just one form of reasoning or one method of drawing conclusions. And it's not flawless, either. TRP, on the other hand, is a specific body of assertions (women are like X, they want Y, etc.). I don't see how you can claim these are fact-based assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 09:46 PM
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Do you think philosophical theories are facts?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 07:54 PM
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The science part is irrelevant. You didn't argue that it was a philosophy rather than an ideology. You argued that it was fact. Now, you're saying its philosophy. So did you change your mind, or do you now think it's philosophy and it's fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 07:14 PM
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You and I got into a very long argument when I said that TRP was an ideology and not fact. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3acnmk/can_we_discuss_about_female_solipsism/csc1x4n It lasted for days. Have you since changed your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 07:07 PM
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The fact that there are more women saying what TRP is preaching than not. If that's a "fact," then you should have evidence. You know, rather than just uselessly repeating yourself. Ask yourself, would you prefer a dominant alpha male, or a submissive beta male? Neither, because I don't like one-dimensional tropes. What cartoon land do you live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 01:59 PM
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This is my issue with evopsych, which is still psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 01:14 PM
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This claim is backed by what? So far all you've got are cherry-picked comments on forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 03:34 AM
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Who isn't portrayed in a fucked up or unrealistic manner by the media? Popular television and movies are garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 06:44 PM
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Because TRPers take actual facts and then project their philosophy onto them and then get confused about where that line between theory and fact should be drawn and then think the whole thing is one and the same. Then they claim we deny reality by disagreeing with the "facts", simply because we disagree with their interpretation of them. It's all very messy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:46 PM
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Well she does say "I think" before she says it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:39 PM
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Yes, completely invent the circumstances you don't actually know as if that's an argument. Let the red pill flow through you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 01:13 PM
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Getting the other person off. Robots can fake it (I know humans sometimes do, too) but if part of your pleasure is giving pleasure and watching all the ways a person reacts to that, I think that's what will be lost. And because it's not a mutually pleasurable act, I just see sex robots as an extension of masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 02:56 PM
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And then she becomes another statistic that TRP uses to argue women don't love unconditionally while men do. Her husband was too busy unconditionally hating himself to care about her or their marriage, was the real issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 02:00 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:14 PM
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Ty for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:14 PM
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Did you mean to post this to a different conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:50 PM
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Oh you. The whole point of this conversation is that TRP can't rationally defend itself as being the objective truth it claims to be. Relying on fallacies in an attempt to refute that is only further evidence of my point. You tell me how empathy is relevant to a rational discussion about the difference between beliefs and facts. It's an emotional plea and, if you follow this conversation to the top, that's all I think this type of argument from TRP can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:47 PM
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So that's a no then. Figured.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:04 PM
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Which other beliefs, specifically? Why are you so confused? I'm arguing with the guy in Memento.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:29 PM
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If you've stopped trying to make any coherent points, why are you still bothering to reply? Ad hominem is when you attempt to shift a debate about ideas to an argument against your opponents character. You called my empathy into question, which had no relevance to anything. Your only response is nope? Are you trying to prove my point about the irrationality and emotionally driven "logic" behind TRP for me? Because it seems like that's what you're now doing. "White horses eat more than black hors…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 05:21 AM
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Isn't so common, for incel losers We've already talked about this as well. It doesn't stop being common sense just because some people don't get it. We just call those people, "people who lack common sense." Your lack of empathy is really all I need to know Not really, because now you're relying on ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy. We're not talking about me, we're talking about ideas. As soon as you direct the conversation to be about the person and not the ideas, or as soon as you start …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 04:09 AM
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You're response just doesn't make any sense to me in the context of this conversation we've been having. I feel like all I can really do with this is repeat myself. "Better" is subjective, unless both parties agree on the results they want. Yes, this entire time we have been talking about two parties who agree on the results they want---those parties being men and those results being sex (acquired with more frequency and ease). Once that's agreed to then better beliefs are as easy to prove as be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:34 AM
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It's like BPers have a dogmatic attachment to only living in "objective reality", regardless of the costs involved. I'm not sure where you're getting this from my argument. I have always argued that ideology is inescapable. But lets at least look at it for what it is, which many people don't want to do. I very often see TRPers conflating their "paradigm" to actual fact. There are even numerous posts in this sub that claim all BPers are just in denial because that's how real and true TRP is. If y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 08:00 PM
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So confirmation bias and a religious-like worldview? I already knew that. Is this a parody?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 02:54 PM
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And how would that be? Are you talking about people who want different things or people who want the same things? Because if two people want the same thing, it's pretty easy to measure objectively who's getting more of that. Not sure what you're trying talking to argue here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 02:53 PM
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Most fans of Twilight are women. Most women are not fans of Twilight. That said, I've been told that A) AWALT is supposed to mean that if you become a lazy, pathetic, ugly, selfish shlep who gives up on himself and his relationship, your girlfriend may leave you. And I've been told B) a unicorn is the perfect woman who never gets on your nerves and never gets annoyed with you and would never leave you in a million years under any circumstances. TRP is basically a sub that teaches guys that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:38 AM
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Ironically, if she does receive complete commitment, she will begin to wonder if her alpha is strong enough. Is there actual evidence to back this statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:30 AM
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HOW? I was not expecting to have diarrhea today but I noticed when it happened. It's more like you're not noticing all the times AWALT doesn't happen. It's like you're turning your head in a specific direction to look at something, and when you do that, there's a whole bunch of other stuff happening that you miss, because you were so busy looking the other way. And when you do occasionally happen to notice something that's contrary to the what you expect, you assume that it's rare and unusual, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 01:30 AM
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Except that beliefs aren't independent from actions. For instance, if you believe that women want a nice guy who isn't aggressive or forward, that belief will drive certain actions. If you believe that women want men who are sexually forward and aggressive then that belief will drive other actions. You're still not getting it. TRP is one line of thinking which may lead to actions that will allow them to achieve their goals (but I'd be really interested in seeing just how many of those 130k users…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 11:36 PM
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Yeah, I've heard it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:14 PM
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Any results you've gotten are the direct result of actions you've employed, not the beliefs you held while employing them. And the actions you employed were PUA tactics and common sense (working out, grooming, styling, having interesting hobbies, emulating confidence, actually approaching and talking to women). You could believe in anything while doing these things and it would not have any affect on your results. You could believe in fairies while getting your little peter wet, doesn't mean fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:13 PM
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Most of them don't think that men hang out with women for any other reason than in an attempt to fuck them. There's no reason, essentially, to willfully spend time with a woman without the possibility of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:50 PM
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You guys use a cheesy matrix analogy to act as though your newfound belief-system is so "real" that you've escaped the veil of ideology and now see the "truth" about women and "reality" and "how things really are". When people point this out, they are frequently downvoted to oblivion or pulled into some dumb argument where they get asked how they know anything is true, and why they "believe" any facts, like the color of the sky or the solidity of objects. I've had this conversation many, many ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 01:18 PM
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It's because of this radical insane trp started. A counter attack. Feminism believes it started because of the patriarchy and that it's a counter-attack against whatever. I say you're all a bunch of reactionary nuts who will likely bounce off of each other for eternity. And it works. TRP is pure ideology attached to PUA tactics and common sense (working out, grooming, styling, actually going out and approaching). It's those actions that work, not the ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 11:27 PM
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But please tell me why is it that if a man makes a joke or doesn't mean something seriously he gets taken to the curb and annihilated by feminism. Why was Morgan Rielly assaulted by feminists for saying "we can't be girls about it". If we're expected to take female jokes lightly why can't they do the same? Who gives a fuck about Morgan Rielly or some dumb, oversensitive women on the Internet? There will always be groups of easily outraged hypocrites in the world, feminists aren't the only except…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 06:10 PM
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Why the double standard though? ... To me I find it toxic. You just became the Tumblrina type you complain about. People joking around is now toxic? Do you need some kind of trigger warning before she makes it so you can just leave the room instead? Are you that sensitive? The joke is that she's smaller and not as strong. Like if a skinny guy was joking with his bulky friend and said something to his other buddies like, "hold me back." It has the same meaning, just a different context. Can you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 02:48 PM
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Lots of money to be made from the whole shtick too. Agreed, GLO is a perfect example of that. Which I find pretty despicable since he's already admitted that the majority of people he privately messages with (and will likely try to make money off of now with his t-shirts and potential books) are 17 year old boys. It's a great, vulnerable community for a buff, cocky asshole to swoop in and take advantage of. It's definitely clever. Even the guys who aren't making money off of it get to have big p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:46 PM
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They also like being told "you can get whatever you want just by following this guide." It's a comforting concept to know "the truth" and feel like you have "cheat codes." This is why I feel like TRP is pure indoctrination. The shit you're supposed to be "internalizing" with all the actual, useful advice is just going to render people dependent on the sub to sustain a worldview and belong to the only community that they now feel understands them---it's cultish. My opinion is that guys would be b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 03:17 PM
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I don't think that any of the good advice TRP offers is unique to the sub. I think that the good advice that may exist there is either common sense or PUA tactics. Like going to the gym, as you mentioned. And I don't think it's worth sifting through all the self-righteous theory and pseudoscience the sub to get to such basic advice as: go to the gym. Also, the morality of manipulation is irrelevant to me and I disagree with TBP on that front. But I believe that PUA also has manipulative tactics …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:42 PM
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TRP is PUA plus ideology. Ideology doesn't "work", actions work. Therefore, TRP does not work, the PUA (and other basic, common sense) tactics it adopted and philosophized around work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 12:26 PM
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Trying to "run me", i.e., leading me into this or that, or attempting to "take charge". Is this just a distaste for general bossiness or would you be opposed to someone (who you deem to be interesting) introducing you to do some things that may be outside your element? Like, if you find one of her hobbies to be interesting but have never partaken in it yourself and she wants you to try it out, that may involve her somewhat "leading" or instructing you/helping you out in that one area. Would that…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 06:29 PM
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What is important is what ideology people subscribe to. I would say that the opposite is true. Which ideology you subscribe to is irrelevant. But the argument here isn't about the "best" ideology, which of course can only be chosen subjectively and with heavy bias. The argument is regarding people who confuse ideology with fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 12:21 PM
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Well, my point is that they both generally tell you to do the same shit and those actions are the shit that works. So any of the extra stuff (i.e. theory) that comes with either, whether it's from TRP or PUA, is just filler. It's the "Why" you want to ascribe the "How". It's not necessary as a tactic, it's only purpose is to sustain a narrative. It's all bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 03:46 AM
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TRP is essentially PUA plus ideology. The system that gets you guys laid is PUA. TRP isn't tactic, it's the theory you attach to it. Actions get you laid, not your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 02:47 AM
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I mean, if you think you're doing something that makes you depressed, maybe you should try doing something else. Idk, I'm no good for that kind of conversation. But I personally try to leave ideology and identifiers alone. Of course I have both, but I don't need to actively attend to them so I can sustain some narrative about the world and my place in it. It's just making up answers to kind of pointless questions. That's why a state of zen is one in which you aren't thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 01:17 AM
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Notice how I said everyone subscribes to some kind of ideology? My point is that ideology is inescapable. I'm not sure what your point is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 12:49 AM
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Ideology is the filter through which you see the world. It's our imaginary relationship to our actual conditions of reality. Forming a new imaginary relationship to reality does not somehow bring you closer to reality. It's just another imagined version of it that you've now adopted. And every ideology purports that it is the closest and truest path to actual reality. And every person who subscribes to an ideology (which is everyone) will make that argument for the ideology that they subscribe t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 12:11 AM
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No, but in this particular conversation, I thought that his/her meaning was clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 07:41 PM
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Define "do anything to get it." I'm pretty sure that means exactly what it says. Anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 07:31 PM
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Do you ever see anyone say men are more emotional than women? I don't think I've ever heard anyone in my personal life say either gender was more emotional than the other. I don't usually have discussions about gender in my life. Especially about who's better/worse, more this/that. Conversations like that are fairly pointless and ultimately self-serving. It feeds whatever way you need to think about and categorize the world and does nothing more. And when there are zero facts involved, it certai…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 07:26 PM
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They aren't falsifiable in the clinical sense. But anyone with any sort of social experience can tell you that "women are more emotional" One person's interpretation of their social experiences leads them to conclusion X. Another person's interpretation of their social experiences leads them to conclusion Y. With no actual evidence to support either conclusion other than interpretation, neither conclusion is more correct or incorrect than the other. I would argue that women are more prone to exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 06:42 PM
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I disagree. My opposition to TRP has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with its claims of achieving objective truth about reality in spite of the fact that many of its claims are not falsifiable (women are more emotional, less rational, less responsible, etc.). The matrix analogy by which the sub is defined (the "red pill") implies that its users have escaped the "matrix" (ideology - be it feministic or what have you) and now exist in a state of zion (free from ideology). I would argue tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 05:57 PM
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TBP only exists to send a "suck it up and stop complaining about the way things are" kind of message to men? TBP disagrees with a lot of TRP's conclusions about "the way things are." So this description isn't really applicable. It's more like it exists to laugh at the ridiculousness of some of the things TRPers thinks "are".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 05:50 PM
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Too big? 130k isn't big.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 11:58 PM
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Ingredients are right on the label. Is it anyone else's fault this dumb fuck didn't read the label?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 11:54 PM
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When a Beta finds TRP they are taught that the world works a specific way, and it is the Beta who is incongruous to reality, not the other way around. To me, you basically agreed with the OP but then shifted goalposts to make it seem like that agreement is irrelevant or aside from the point. TRPers still cling to this narrative of having been lied to or manipulated into being beta in some way by a feminized society or something like that. It pushes the blame for your past failures off of yoursel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 03:20 PM
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Lol, that article is an example of people "losing their shit"? I didn't even see this indignation you're talking about. It's a shitty clickbait article. "Pretty penny" isn't indignant, it's an attempt to sound interesting. It's contrived. This is an example of bad writing, but it's not an opinion piece. You're projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 03:58 PM
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Again, there is an overwhelming message that encourages men to ignore red flags. Not just a message, but an overwhelming message? Where is this overwhelming message? A subreddit? Tumblr? I don't see any "messages" telling guys who they should or shouldn't date. Of course there's going to be all kinds of disagreements when people start talking about partner preferences or what constitutes a red flag, but a disagreement is not a "message". Beyond that, every group in the world does hear some form …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 03:37 PM
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Hah, thanks. You should make that post, I'd be interested to read it. But yeah, basically, I think TRP is PUA plus ideology. I was talking to a TRPer fairly recently about this and he said that he thought that the success of PUAs was superficial or "fake" because he thinks they're "faking it". Whereas the success of a TRPer is real and genuine because they're not "faking it", they're genuinely "it". Having "internalized" their changes rather than... I don't know, pretending? Which, to me, is lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 02:30 AM
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Adorable since TRP is a highly regulated safe-space for TRPers that bans all dissenting opinions and scary attack words like "misogyny". Also, 3rd wave Tumblrina "safe space" feminists =/= all or even most women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:38 PM
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Even by your own description, self-worth is comes from the "outside", or outside interactions. It's external validation. No one feels like they're #1 if everyone treats them like shit. It's a two-way street. Girls bullshit and call each other out all the time. You're imagining girls hanging out is like some fairy, candlelit experience where we all talk in really soft voices in a circle and massage each other with oils and tell each other how beautiful we all are. I thought TRP was supposed to he…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:12 PM
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I'm going to kind of quote myself on this topic since it came up fairly recently in a convo: I don't think ideology gets anyone laid. Actions do. And the actions that typically get people laid are: eat better, work out, dress better, groom, actually try approaching women, be confident, be charismatic, have an interesting hobby, etc. TRP may have extra actions attached to these core ones, and maybe it's possible figure out how effective each thing is if we were to perform a wide enough experiment…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 01:22 PM
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This advice can be heard anywhere. It's not some secret. If you didn't realize you should be properly cleaning yourself and grooming and taking care of your body in order for others to be attracted to it, as well as putting yourself out there in order to make things happen rather than hoping they happen to you without any effort on your part, then you were letting laziness and entitlement clog your ears.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:29 AM
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Brian Kinney was such a good guy. Just a dick on the surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:05 AM
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TRPers are NiceguysTM Just finally saying what they really think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:04 AM
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Lol first of all, stop telling me you're not gonna reply again and just stop if you want to. My response does not obligate you to respond back. Second of all, what you did was inaccurate. It seems like you just took that 3% of the general population (even though people have been diagnosed with this in Europe as well) and applied it to the U.S. exclusively, as if that makes any sense. Who could have guessed what kind of mathematical hamstering was going on in your head in order to even understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:53 AM
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But that statistic you just quoted, about 2-3% of the general population. What population is that referring to? I don't see it saying "U.S. population." Just general pop. So do you not see why I would be confused here? The only stats I could find on its occurrence in the U.S. specifically were under 1%. Which you've chosen not to acknowledge. It seems when you're talking about faith that you expect me to believe whatever random numbers you pull out of thin air without question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 10:13 PM
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Here's the issue. You hear 3% (and going with 3% is being generous here) of the population has this disorder and for some reason assume that's 3% of the American population. I don't see evidence to support that anywhere. The only statistics I could find on its prevalence in the U.S. was here, and according to the most recent study, only .9% of the American population has it. Granted, that study is fairly old, so if you have more recent stats to share, please do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:42 PM
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I disagree with this part of TRP's narrative. I don't think there's any overwhelming message in society that encourages men to date crazy or abusive women. I do not see common posts on r/relationships telling guys to stay with shitty women. I just recently saw a post about a guy complaining about his DB situation and he was not demonized in the least. Several high comments told him to leave her. I don't know who you people listen to when you claim this is what you were told, but it seems like se…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:40 PM
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According to the numbers you gave me, around 6 million women have this disorder. Then you said "if even 10% of those women did the deed, that would make it the threshold, for me, on what many would entail." What did you mean by this and why have you forgotten you said it? I assumed you meant if 10% of the 6 million women with the disorder did something as extreme as what Michelle Carter did, then you would think that's sufficient enough to say "many" and think she's not an extreme example. Now, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:14 PM
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Everything you're saying right now is common sense with a weird gendered spin. Check for compatibility and don't get complacent because relationships are work. Any person you let yourself love is capable of breaking your heart. Is that news to you? This is reality for all men and women. APALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:28 PM
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Lol where are you getting your sample size? Your logic makes zero sense right now. Of course you abandon the conversation rather than try to explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:15 PM
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10% of 6 million is 600,000. There are 7 billion people on the planet. Around 3.4 billion of those people are women. So you're talking about 600,000 people out of 3.4 billion and saying you're not pulling extreme examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:04 AM
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So only 2-3% of the general population has this disorder and a majority of the people who do, but not all, are women. And yet you still want to claim that there are "many" examples of women behaving like this and therefore the original example does not appeal to extremes? How do you rationalize that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:55 AM
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But do you think more women than men somehow equals most women? If more men are serial rapists than women, does that mean most men are serial rapists? Would it make sense for me to conclude that most men are serial rapists?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:43 AM
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http://youtu.be/qn7duAZjP8w
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 09:13 PM
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An egalitarian relationship doesn't automatically equal a pussy-whipped relationship unless you are demanding to be something greater than her partner, like her leader. Which is fucking weird to me, but to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 01:25 PM
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Nice = agreeable Nice guy = agreeable guy Misnomer = inaccurate Nice guy =/= misnomer
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 03:10 AM
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I think this question demonstrates the two entirely different mindsets of RP and BP. Sex probably is the most important thing in a relationship to RPers. I doubt how strong an emotional connection a TRPer can create with a woman, let alone how much they would value one. And for BPers, the hypothetical is too absurd to consider. We value sex and emotional connection equally in a relationship and would not think of staying in a relationship that did not contain both of those things. That's why the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 10:18 PM
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Dude maybe you should spend less time reading about women on the Internet and more time talking to them in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 07:28 PM
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I'm liberal, but not a feminist. The issues I have with TRP are not moral ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 04:59 PM
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But TRP is the only place where this information is together in one place, being actively discussed. Where else could the average frustrated chump, the guy raised by women and the guy with no male role models learn this? Not really. You can get most of this shit from PUA, which is basically TRP minus the ideology. And all the basic, self-improvement things I listed can be heard many places and many guys are capable of doing and figuring these things out without needing the support of an online c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 10:33 PM
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But as I said, these actions are not unique or exclusive or I would say even definitive of TRP. You can do all of these things without TRP, TRP is just one route. And it's an ideological route. Which, to me, is just extra drivel to boost the ego. For instance, AWALT. To TRP, it's about female nature. It comes attached with the notion that women are not capable of unconditional love while men somehow are. But I would say most people, men and women, approach relationships according to the basic gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 02:22 PM
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I don't care about the moralistic aspect in the least. Morals are as subjective as the ideologies they're born from. TRP is merely the ideology TRPers attach to basic self-improvement techniques that many people can and have partaken in without belonging to TRP sub. Working out, eating well, grooming yourself, adopting a sense of style, being confident, charismatic, having interesting hobbies---these things are not ideological, they're merely actions that are likely to attract women. These are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 05:40 AM
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Nonetheless, I'm sympathetic to the fact that men sort of need to have this mindset - the "pfft whatever" mindset - about women because, for whatever reason (maybe the gods have a sense of humor, or maybe because among our ancestors, indifference conferred selective advantage) it turns women on. I think that might be an attractive trait to women who are looking for ONSs or FWB, but probably not to a woman who's looking for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 05:53 PM
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Why would a survey that asks potentially offensive questions be more reliable than one that doesn't? I think the overall point here is that the methodology psychology studies rely on suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/15 02:27 PM
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Let me first reassure you that I have no interest in debating morality. If that's what the blue flair connotes, I'm realizing at this point I should probably change it. My original point is basically that I don't think ideology gets anyone laid. Actions do. And the actions that typically get people laid are: eat better, work out, dress better, groom, actually try approaching women, be confident, be charismatic, have an interesting hobby, etc. TRP may have extra actions attached to these core one…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 07:53 PM
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I would argue that Y gets the other guy laid and it's Y that gets you laid, too. Only Y gets people laid. But you approach Y through the veil of ideology X.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 02:54 PM
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You could say that about anybody who takes more into account for a LTR/marriage than they would for a ONS or fling. You guys hear the term "settling down" and take it literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 02:16 AM
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Lower, not low. So you settle for the female equivalent of a "BB" basically?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 12:23 AM
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Of course, my boyfriend and I have experimented with this. For one thing, you can't be territorial or get jealous. That's not going to work. If you're swinging, then you have to enjoy seeing each other be sexual with other people. Another thing is communication. My boyfriend and I love talking about sex, so this wasn't hard. You just have to figure out your boundaries, how practical they are, and ease into it together.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 06:08 PM
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Sometimes there's even chunks. Kinda looks like grape jelly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 11:36 PM
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Well, I wasn't initially talking to you, I was responding to that other guy. But that said, I agree with what another commenter said; it's on you to refine your own beliefs. Also, maybe you should consider posting a series of threads that break all this stuff down, because most people don't have any time or interest to discus that entire wall of text.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:31 PM
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That people should take their takes less seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:07 PM
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That it's a take.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 02:21 PM
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But are you saying there is no evidence at all? For both perspectives? There is no evidence for ideological perspectives regarding the right or wrong way to live, or what masculine/feminine is or is supposed to be, or even what it means to be rational. These are all subjective concepts that societies and individuals conceive of. Then why is there this continuous battle between all those pills? Because there is no evidence. No one here debates whether 2+2=4. That's not a debatable thing. People v…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:39 AM
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Clarify the difference between opinion and fact? I think you know. What I'm saying is that TRP is not fact. It's a subjective interpretation of reality, a.k.a. ideology. So if two different people have two opposing interpretations of reality, but neither person has facts to back those interpretations (other than their own biased and fallible perspective), then neither persons interpretation can be objectively correct or incorrect. They're just interpretations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 10:27 PM
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You can't prove an opinion right or wrong. It can't be either. It's just opinion. Right and wrong when it comes to opinions is merely subjective bias. If I have opinion X and it contradicts your opinion Y, then from my perspective, Y is wrong. Meanwhile, from your perspective, X is wrong. But seeing as these are only opinions and there are not, nor can there be, facts involved, then neither is objectively right or wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 07:57 PM
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Morals are always biased in our favor. That bias effects how we make things fit. Let's say someone thinks murder is wrong, but then they think it's not wrong in self-defense. These beliefs should be contradictory, but because they're commonly held, it seems like they're not. That's because a bandwagon of people are choosing when its justifiable and when it isn't. And it's essentially justifiable only in the situation where most people agree they would commit it. Meaning that morals are based on …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 07:13 AM
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contradiction I don't think morals are necessarily logical or consistent. I think they're always going to be what you need them to be, regarding whatever it is you're applying them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:48 AM
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I guess we can't have a discussion. I don't think morals are necessarily logical or consistent. I think they're always going to be what you need them to be, regarding whatever it is you're applying them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:35 AM
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lol, are you western? You connect the East with slavery? And I suppose don't notice shit like that in your own country? But really, what's your point? Because what you just said coincides with mine: some perspectives enjoy their lives while other perspectives don't. Therefore, views on life (or morals in general), are the subjective product of your biased motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:32 AM
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Did you come here to debate semantics?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:24 AM
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Does this imply that I already have an opinion on procreation, as to whether it's "good" or "bad"? I'm arguing from the standpoint of metaethical moral relativism. I think all morals have subjective motivations behind them, and none of them are objectively correct. existing moral beliefs. Because here, what I think you're talking about is ideology. The body of moral beliefs. And looking for inconsistencies. As if some of it is legitimate and what is inconsistent is not legitimate. But to me, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:23 AM
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Your argument isn't about something I ever attempted to discuss. I'm talking about the subjectivity of all morals. Meaning that any person's ideas about how things are or should be =/= how things actually are or should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:54 AM
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immoral actions Are immoral actions not the ones our consciousness chooses to label immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:40 AM
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What does thinking about whether or not we should have children have anything to do with whether or not we should actually have children? Why should the ability to deliberate effect whether the choice should be made? And if someone deliberates and draws a very different conclusion from the one you've drawn here (deciding to have children), how can their conclusions be considered the wrong one? Also, have you ever seen the movie The Tree of Life? I highly recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:29 AM
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Why do you think we should hold animals to a different standard of morals than our own? Why do you think consciousness is the marker of morality?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:25 AM
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I don't have a background in philosophy and your labeling things doesn't really add to the conversation. I don't care about your identifiers, just the content of the conversation. You want to claim procreation is unethical. Here is my response to someone else that I'm having this same conversation with: Everything has babies or procreates in some way, shape, or form. Some animals die horrible deaths in the wild or starve when they can't find food. Is it immoral for a lioness to have a cub? Is it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:20 AM
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So then what was your disagreement with my last comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:12 AM
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Who decides what's okay and what's not okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:10 AM
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You skipped the core of my post: As for the nature of life, I'm simply talking about the fact that people have babies. Everything has babies or procreates in some way, shape, or form. Some animals die horrible deaths in the wild or starve when they can't find food. Is it immoral for a lioness to have a cub? Is it immoral for anything to procreate at all? Or is it just immoral for humans to do it? And at what point in our human evolution did it become that way? And why not be angry at the first s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:10 AM
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Morality is subjective. All actions are amoral until you project your subjective morals onto them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:03 AM
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Who cares about bandwagon morals? Now we're getting into ideology. But just because an ideology exists doesn't suddenly turn it into something objective. It remains a subjective, but widely shared, belief. My morality is no more correct than anyone else's, because it's all belief, and therefore is irrelevant. As for the nature of life, I'm simply talking about the fact that people have babies. Everything has babies or procreates in some way, shape, or form. Some animals die horrible deaths in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 05:02 AM
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Who cares about will? Ethics are subjective. This whole post is subjective. What we can know objectively is that the trend for every living species is to survive and procreate. That's the nature of things. My opinion is that it's very pointless to complain about the nature of all existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:44 AM
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Morality is subjective. Actions are objectively neither moral or immoral until you project your morality onto them. Everything on this planet exists to survive and procreate. That's just how it is. I don't get why anyone would complain about the nature of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:40 AM
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I'm talking about people who were already born and are glad that they were. I'm glad I was born and I'm very glad that many of the people in my life were born. There are a lot of us who actually appreciate what we have instead of wishing humanity never existed, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:25 AM
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Just because you hate your life doesn't mean no one else deserves a shot. You're the one being selfish right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:18 AM
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This is the main point of my argument and I think we're just approaching this from two different perspectives. I don't agree with the part that society defines masculinity (rather, testosterone and evolution drives it) By masculinity/femininity, we're talking about how society thinks men and women are and are supposed to be. This covers a very wide and flexible plethora of traits, depending on where you're from and what era you're in. What it "means" to be a man in one part of the world isn't ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:16 AM
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It's a shame to squash it all up in a TLDR, but the first two paragraphs and the last two paragraphs basically summarize it the best. And here's the Wikipedia summary: In Volume I, Foucault explores the "repressive hypothesis", the idea that western society suppressed sexuality from the 17th to the mid-20th century: he argues that this hypothesis is an illusion, and that in actuality, discourse on sexuality proliferated during this period. He goes on to argue that at this time, experts began to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:04 AM
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What you're talking about now is what I think Foucault would call the "repressive hypothesis". To "rebel" against an alternative ideology is to legitimize its claims in the first place. “In his book The History of Sexuality, the French intellectual historian Michel Foucault considers what he calls ‘the repressive hypothesis’: the common idea that sex is something that earlier periods, particularly the nineteenth century, have repressed and that moderns have fought to liberate. Far from being som…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:22 AM
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I think theredpill states a lot of truths Subjective truth is not objective reality. A lot of conclusions that TRP makes are not about objective, or even measurable, things. It's ideology, not fact. Althusser calls ideology the "imaginary relationship to the real conditions of existence". Meaning that our experience of reality is always through the subjective filter of biases and beliefs in our minds. People can and often do experience or witness the same thing, and walk away with different inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:58 AM
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I absolutely feel like whenever I'm with a hot girl I'm the one that has to produce the fun. It's my responsibility to tell stories and probe topics/joke around to see what she responds well to, and it's up to me to keep awkward silence from happening and to keep the date escalating. I've definitely encountered some girls before that literally give you nothing but shitty 1-word answers to work with and instead just sit there sipping on a drink waiting for you to produce the funny juice. Why are …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:15 PM
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I'm saying that every single problem in a person's life is not automatically their fault. I'm not sure how many of these problems which made redpill men angry are not their fault. And I'm not sure how many of these problems would not exist beyond the comparative. Meaning that you're still looking at the life of that best possible person and saying that, next to him, you've got problems. But like I said in the exact same conversation with someone else right below this one, the existence of someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:18 AM
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TRP teaches personal responsibility over game. I mean, the comment to which I was responding said otherwise. Hence my comment. Every natural had good looks and/or the right character to learn game and build abundance mentality. If a guy is mediocre looking girls don't flirt, so they cannot learn to flirt themselves. They cannot build abundance mentality because they have no options. They lose confidence because they get rejected 99% of the time. They do not dread because they are afraid to lose …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 06:26 AM
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While it's good to focus on what you (royal you) can personally improve upon, the idea that every shortcoming is your fault is an illusion. Everyone has to rely on others to learn at some point. If you pick good people to trust and happen to be lucky you may get good advice, but not everyone is lucky. Sometimes it's entirely appropriate for others to shoulder a bit of responsibility, too. I disagree. You (royal you) are the only person responsible for you. Having a good support system is nice, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 06:14 AM
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Since I'm neither an SJW or a feminist, I think you may be the one projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 04:52 AM
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Look, it's possible that it's biological---women having a preference for height in the same way men have preferences for large breasts. But honestly, the large breasts do serve a purpose, and I'm not sure that height really does. But like I said in my original point, which was why I started this discussion with you, I think it's kind of rare for that to be a STRICT preference like you were talking about. I think it's only a strict preference for some very shallow people and that it works both wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 04:50 AM
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I have two issues with this comparison. The idea that the anger is a result of not being taught how to solve the problem correctly. This puts the responsibility of your (I'm using the royal "you" here) problems onto someone else's shoulders. You can't be blamed for your own failings because it was someone else's duty to prepare you for a situation which you were not prepared for. I don't think that's accurate. I think some guys still manage to be successful with women even though they got no dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 06:02 PM
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See, these are the greater conclusions that TRP comes to which I find questionable. If what you were saying was true, I don't think hot, skinny hipster guys would be a thing. But nowadays there's all types of men who can be successful at attracting women, so long as they're not too overweight or unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 05:55 PM
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I don't know how widely acceptable this shit really is except among the girls who say it and their friends. Most people I know are turned off by that obnoxious type of girl on Tinder. And most of the women I personally know who have ever said anything in confidence (not publicly broadcasted) about height preferences made it clear it was just that---a preference. My one very tall friend who made those comments the most is now in a relationship with a man who is shorter than she is. They've been t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 04:30 PM
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Enough women where? Where are you taking these samples from? What's the demographic? What's your sample size? Are they randomly selected or specifically chosen by you? It's not like you're doing an objective study right now. This is confirmation bias, a huge fallacious tool upon which TRP leans on to support a vast majority of its conclusions about people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 04:22 PM
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I don't think how these people reacted was in anyway justified or okay. But I think that TRPers are people grouped by ideas, whereas blacks and asians are grouped together by physical attributes. So saying you guys sound alike isn't that outlandish when you do subscribe to similar ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 06:52 PM
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These particular people might be hypocrites and anyone who actually got off on the video might be a hypocrite (depending on what their beef with Roosh was to begin with). I personally think that Roosh goes out of his way with some articles to insight rage in people and that he enjoys doing it. So it's unsurprising that, at some point, he's going to deal with the backlash from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 06:39 PM
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Lol, there are no points of data in this conversation. There is no objective way to categorize the acceptable level of male vulnerability. The "points of data" that I'm sure you are impressed by are the ones provided by the people in your like-minded, biasedly sampled community brought together by shared experiences and the similar conclusions you've chosen to draw from them. And as exemplified by the comment from mashakos below and your agreement with him, you really go out of your way to imagi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 10:28 PM
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If it sounds flawed, but works, it ain't flawed. I don't think it's the RP *conclusions" that "work". And maybe you can argue that the tactics are built off of the theories, but even if the tactics do work, that doesn't necessarily mean it's because the theories are all correct. the sexes are not equal. According to what scale? I'm sure if we got specific, there's some things we'd agree on about your answer. But there'd be areas where we might disagree, too. And that's because the scale and how …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 09:41 PM
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Stop watching shitty Hollywood blockbusters and realize that all the characters are poorly-written assholes whose motivations make little to no sense, not just the women. The only likable people in movies like that are usually some random friend who isn't supposed to be that developed, anyway. Try something like Cache, Certified Copy, Wetlands, Amour. And try not to read TRP into everything you see. It makes the world an unenjoyable, ideological reinforcing learning ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:06 PM
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Society always changes. Maybe not drastically in anyone's lifetime, but it is always changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 01:56 AM
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I agree. Even if no one else knows about the great thing you've just done for somebody, you know, and it makes you feel good about yourself, and that's why you do it. Not that I think that's a bad thing. But there's always some motivation for people to do something "selfless".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 09:04 PM
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I'm comfortable saying that most men are that way. So are you and most TRPers. I don't think you should be comfortable making claims you know are based in anecdotes. I think that's an unhealthy and unnecessary habit to get into. Women tend to nag when they are in any sort of dominant/leadership position, as is the case within any "egalitarian" or female-led relationships I know plenty of women who nag and plenty who don't. Nagging is usually a combination of her natural attitude/behavior and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 03:01 PM
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If you're a compete basass who cried one when a parent died, that's not ideal, but you're probably okay. I can see how this would probably be an issue for a lot of women. I know it would bug the shit out of me. And the keeping score thing is just ridiculously paranoid. No one is watching you that closely but yourself. You're keeping score. My boyfriend has cried in front of me before, real crying, not just the one tear bullshit. Our sex life, however, is still fantastic. In fact, comforting each…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 01:55 PM
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You're describing these things (weak, emotional, needy) as character traits and not temporary emotions. Which misses the point in the question about simply not preferring men who are "over-emotional." And while it may be more acceptable in society for women to act over-emotional, I doubt many men are attracted to that kind of behavior, either. I think that the idea is always balance. You can't always be strong and in control; sometimes shit is out of your hands and sometimes life is going to kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 06:42 AM
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and most men. First of all, I think it would be a pretty accurate claim for me to make that you haven't met or spoken to most men. And even if, for some amazing reason, you had, there's no scientific research being conducted here to say that you can draw any objective conclusions about this. You're making claims about "most men" based on person anecdotes, which is essentially my biggest beef with TRP. when we do things together, I'd rather be in the dominant/leading position, and my girlfriend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 05:23 AM
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but the vast majority have them. I really don't know if that's true. Maybe the vast majority of TRPers, but all men? I'm not so sure how popular an attitude that is in modern, Western culture. I think that plenty of guys aren't interested in dating someone that dependent or that submissive, that they even accept having their wardrobe picked out for them. I doubt that many guys want to pick out their girlfriends clothes. women telling their man how to dress and act, or having expectations within …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 12:06 AM
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I was just wondering how you would describe TRP being useful to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 01:36 PM
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What about Claridryl?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 03:46 AM
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You're still ignoring all of the other advice she listed so you can continue complaining about the one thing that you still don't seem to understand, even though earlier you acknowledged: I didn't say they said to act as they act and mirror their reactions. So where on earth are you reading someone say: "do the same thing they're doing"??? Because as far as I can tell, literally nobody said that. Except you. You're argument here is against a straw man. And honestly, I'm baffled. I've never seen …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 10:49 PM
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As a patriarch, you don't ask your wife to do something general because too much choice (and this works for employees and subordinates as well) is problematic. I mean, I guess this is one style of a relationship. And if it works for both of you, that's fine. I just know that there are men who are less demanding in terms of what they want (not so many specific things---meaning, ways you want her to "serve" you or clothes you want her to wear). I don't think this supports your general conclusions …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 05:57 PM
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What uniqueness is that? Do you think women have any uniqueness in their value?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 03:29 PM
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I'm confused, I thought that you guys didn't think anyone was "special".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 02:42 PM
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I find it hard to believe that your wife has no specific things that she wants from you and that there are no general things you want from her. For instance, if you want her to be submissive to you, that's a general thing or attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 02:41 PM
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Sexes are different, they look different, and they act different, these are facts. And you think BPers don't agree with these basics, lol. Dude, obviously men and women are different. But how different and where these behavioral differences really lie and to what extent are completely up for debate. The differences TRP makes up in their sidebar are not scientific, and therefore are ideological.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 03:19 AM
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What is? Can you actually make any specific, non-generic statements that aren't vague platitudes? Can you actually defend the lame argument you've been making this whole time? Tell me more about these "things" that exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 12:57 AM
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That's one interpretation, sure. We see it more as you guys saying stupid shit to each other (red pill confirmed - high five, we did it!) and us laughing (or giggling, if that's how you like to imagine it) at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 11:44 PM
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Things definitely exist. What things are we talkin? Actual, provable things or RP theory? And if RP theory can't be proven, how can you objectively claim it "exists"? What does that even mean? If you believe things exist you can talk about what is. Lol, wut? I don't think "things" don't exist; that's a weird argument. It's highly possible that I think different things exist than you, or we both see the same things but draw different conclusions. And once more, because neither one of these theore…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 11:42 PM
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It is funny. That's why we have /r/thebluepill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 10:46 PM
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Call it what you want, this is how TRP functions as an ideological machine. Innocent claims based on selective, biased evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 10:37 PM
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Shit happens. Circumstances get in the way. People grow apart. There's no guarantees when it comes to a relationship. No one owes you a lifetime of commitment, nor do you owe anyone the same thing in return. Relationships are best approached when you try to enjoy someone in your life as long as possible, but don't depend on their existence in your world. They could leave or die tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 10:30 PM
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I don't think you understand what the word "confirmed" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 10:15 PM
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Bitches be trippin.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 10:08 PM
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By comparing this kind of interaction to an interaction between a "customer" and "server", you have missed the point about treating each other like equals. and all anyone would tell you is, "don't be an asshole" Dude, she listed a whole bunch of relevant pieces of advice and you blew up over one thing which you had completely misinterpreted and then, upon being corrected, concluded that the correct meaning was still shit advice if given alone---completely forgetting the list of other shit she sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 08:06 PM
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There was no implication that selecting a journalism major without nepotism being involved is a fantasy? Your comment was completely unnecessary and aside from the actual point in that context, too. You went out of your way to be a bitch. Are you actually pretending you weren't trying to be insulting there?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:57 PM
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Lol, you're not objectively gathering data for some scientific study. What you're talking about is theoretical interpretation, not something that can actually be proven.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:53 PM
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So one woman makes one comment saying that a guy should help a woman getting raped and this one person confirms that all men are expendable in society? Based on one person's comment? You seeking out information that reinforces your narrative about the world is how confirmation bias works. I'm telling you nobody, male or female, is obligated to put themselves at risk to help another person. So you have one comment that you read as "fuck men" and now mine. But you're still going to hamster based o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:23 PM
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because RP describes what is. How does TRP know what "is" in order to describe it? Do they have evidence to support their claims? No. Because it's ideology. Which means TRP just describes how TRPers think things are, not how they actually are. No ideology can describe how things actually are. If you want to say TRP describes how things really are, you need evidence. Edit: and you absolutely did say that when you said that TBP is "more ideological". And then I went onto say no ideology can be mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:14 PM
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My insult has nothing to do with how all BPers argue and you're debating one right now about that same comment who didn't insult you. You made a completely irrelevant comment about them majoring in journalism, I guess I could dig through your history later when I'm not on my phone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:12 PM
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Red Pill confirmed. How does one comment from one BPer confirm the whole of TRP? This confirmation bias is as bad as the guys in the original post were talking about. And I, another "BPer", personally disagree with what she said. No one is morally obligated to do anything for anyone unless that's part of their moralistic beliefs. Now how are you going to incorporate this comment into your bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:10 PM
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Someone else is doing that right now. I'm the one insulting. You're just using me for confirmation bias now. Watch me do it: why is every TRPer a right-winged, gun-toting, self-righteous nutbag? And didn't I recently see you make a completely unnecessary and insulting comment to someone for being an English major? Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:34 PM
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Yet you didn't manage to argue an actual point and now, apparently, are giving up because you can't. You claimed that TRP is "less" ideological than TBP (whatever it is you think that may be), so you're the one who needs proof. But if proof can't be established on topics such as these, then your claim is baseless and TRP is as belief-based as everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:31 PM
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I argued with a specific point you made in a comment. After we've been discussing this for how long and you haven't figured that out, I'm thinking you're the one with reading comprehension issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:13 PM
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The burden on you is to show moral duties extend to others. I never said moral duties extend to others. You're talking to a straw man. You don't like the fact that you have to justify it and you are trying to shift the blame. This is fucking retarded. You're projecting an argument onto me that I never made. In fact, my main argument has been against the accuracy with which you think you can make such projections. You're essentially proving me right because you can't even see past your projection…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 05:03 PM
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Some of those, but not others. Yes, most people believe in them except for feminists and feminist apologists. Lol, what "most people" are you talking about? There's only 120k on the sub itself. There are 7 billion people in the world. Have you spoken with all of them? How blinded by bias do you have to be to just assume most of the world agrees with you? This claim is baseless, like your entire argument here. Here is an example of Occam's razor, because you don't seem to understand it: "when you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 03:43 PM
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Yes you are, but you're imagining that's what she's doing instead. You're insecure because you think that the only way you can be special is if you're the only guy she's ever been with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 12:47 PM
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Aside from one story you could think of, the rest is completely generic. And picking where to eat for dinner? Does she never pick? Would it really upset the dynamic of your relationship if she did? I recently went on a vacation with my family and we were supposed to be placed in a room overlooking the ocean. However, the room they put us in only overlooked the parking lot, and kind of the ocean if you leaned over the balcony and looked far to your left. My mom called the front desk and got us a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 08:00 PM
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RP beliefs are not, and they are different things. So RP beliefs are not what can be read in the sidebar of the subreddit? How about you finally clarify what these beliefs are if they're not the ones laid out in the sub. Do these beliefs not include: women are less rational than men, women are less capable of change than men, women are more emotional than men, women are machiavellian by nature, and that women are incapable of unconditionally loving a man (while he is capable of unconditionally l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:54 PM
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But what are these ideas and results? What are you ambitious about? What initiatives have you taken? What plans have you made? Where are you being resourceful and creative? What risks have you taken? What strategies have you employed? Specifically, how do you lead? What does it look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:12 PM
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Can you give specific examples of what leading and following look like in your relationship? What decisions are you in charge of, exactly? How much does her opinion weigh?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:45 PM
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people like me Are you a cop? I thought you were a realtor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:42 PM
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No I'm saying none of this is really science, so that is all irrelevant. Also, I am saying BP is ideology A, and RP is ideologies B-Z. This claim doesn't make any sense. TRP is a subreddit on the internet. It's comprised of a relatively small group of like-minded men who have shared similar life experiences and drawn similar conclusions about the world, other people, and reality in general based on those experiences. Their evidence to support these conclusions is anecdotal and unscientific. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:39 PM
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Clearly it's very important to you that you be "special", but apparently that can't be because she's chosen to be with you and love you. It has to be because she's got no one and nothing else to compare you to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:30 PM
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If she's given her heart and body to someone else already, I won't be special to her anymore. I'll be just another number in her list. Whether or not you realize it, you're incredibly insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 10:03 PM
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Right, BP still seems more ideological. No ideology is more ideological than another. Remember Althusser, who called it "the imaginary relation to the real conditions of existence." Ideology is simply the biased, subjective, and fallible filter through which all information about the world is processed and perceived. It's the influence of our culture and our immediate social circles that subscribes us to a certain way of thinking. You could also think of Plato's Allegory of the Cave. All people …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 04:26 PM
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Women who act like men (dominant) are less attractive. That's a completely subjective statement. I know plenty of guys who find assertive women attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 01:30 PM
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If you "settled down" with a less attractive woman who was more compatible, does that make her the female equivalent of "beta bux"? And does that mean you are the male equivalent of an "alpha widow" to the more attractive woman/women you slept with in the past? If not, why do you think this is the case for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 06:28 PM
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What "authoritarian" left? I don't see people on the left trying to push moralistic laws onto people like conservatives. Conservatives are more likely to push for censorship laws, as well, like anti-sex education and the banning of books in schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 05:59 PM
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I think it's interesting you belief "leftists" are the moralists when they're the more socially liberal group, whereas conservatives are all about the government regulating morals (abortion, drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 04:41 AM
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Let's go through this for a minute. First, what is ideology. Loosely speaking, it's a body of beliefs. More specifically, Althusser calls ideology the "imaginary relationship to our actual conditions of reality." In his book, Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses, Althusser argues that ideology is reinforced by habitual and ritualistic practices and that all individuals are "interpellated" under ideology, meaning they are named and identified under that ideology, becoming subjects of it. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 04:38 AM
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I agree that psychology and sociology are soft, bendable sciences at best. But it makes even less sense for you to agree with this point while persisting in the belief that the whole world fits into one of the two categories you think exists. How can you claim BPers are the religious-like ones when you continue to make and believe in generalizations based on anecdotes that do not, and likely cannot, have scientific backing? Some BPers may argue with the ethics of TRP or whatever else it is they …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 03:31 AM
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I don't understand what you mean by "believe in TBP". TBP has no body of beliefs in the way that TRP does. So what exactly do you think we're believing in?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 02:53 AM
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That chick is incredibly annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:14 PM
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If she didn't exhibit any warning signs, would that make her a "unicorn"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:05 PM
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I was not attractive in high school. I was chubby, greasy, frizzy; I had braces and pimples. I wore baggy clothes to hide my body and I never did my make-up or hair because I thought people would laugh at my attempts to be prettier. I was bullied ruthlessly. I asked out guys and was rejected. I had a couple male friends I had a crush on ("beta-orbited") who had no interest in me. I was lonely and horny. My self-esteem was non-existent. I thought I was stupid and ugly and basically the worst pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:01 PM
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I think it's a cheap, cop-out argument to use in this sub. The whole point of the sub is to debate very specific topics (regarding sex, relationships, gender, etc.) and I personally think it makes sense that the people who choose to frequent here are familiar enough with these topics that they pay attention to how this stuff manifests in their own lives. To pretend otherwise seems likes a weak attempt to discredit the person you're talking to and dismantle the conversation. What should be up for…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 02:31 PM
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I don't think I was disagreeing with his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 02:23 PM
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Great point. There are also cultures where women elongate their necks to be more attractive or sharpen their teeth. You could take the most beautiful woman in the U.S. and if you put her there, she would be ugly by their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 01:51 PM
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Where are you getting the number 20%?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 01:49 PM
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By who? What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 01:46 PM
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Lol, I don't think I said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 01:44 PM
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This is beautifully said. Because with manipulation, you are working against rather than with your partner through problems. It's the reason why guys on TRP call women the "enemy" and relationships a "war", while people on the BP side of things look call that person their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 11:19 PM
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Look at a movie like 500 Days of Summer that we recently discussed in this sub. That's not a guy who's never had a girlfriend. Yet he's still a guy who "fails" at love because all he sees is the projection in his head and not the real person. I don't think it's inexperience alone. Everyone is inexperienced until they're experienced. But you'll definitely struggle more and for longer than other people if you can't get past that projection. I think it's just obvious in an otherwise imperceptible w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 10:13 PM
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The difference is that it's a weird projection and women can sometimes pick up on that too. If you see women as this collective body of angels which need to be understood as a collective or as some mysterious Other, it reduces them into interchangeable products. It means that so long as they're pretty and pay attention to you, you could "fall in love" with them because you have no standards for an individual because you don't see the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 07:06 PM
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Before you became a TRPer, did you see women in the way that many TRPers describe formally seeing them (meaning that you put them on pedestals and could not see their flaws or other faults and thought they were inherently good, if not better than men)?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 06:41 PM
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You called a situation where someone lied "date rape." That's not date rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:27 PM
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He just kind of talked about the ordeal that women have to go through when reporting it and basically implied that he wouldn't want his daughter to go through all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:59 PM
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Yeah, but I'm applying the joke specifically to the racist TRPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:41 PM
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Considering how many racist TRPers I've talked to, this tweet you're describing sounds hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:17 PM
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If it's he said/she said, then you hope your lawyer and the police are good enough to find holes or inconsistencies in his testimony and prove he's lying. Obviously that's a long shot. I had a teacher in high school who was like this old, weathered war vet. He also used to be the chief of police and he told us a lot of interesting stories about crimes he'd dealt with. Anyway, when we were once talking about rape, he basically said that if something like this happened to his daughter, they wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:13 PM
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Let's say you and i met at starbucks, hit it off and went back to my place to watch a movie. While we are on the couch you asked me to lend you $100 and i say ok. You leave. The next day i go to the police and report that you stole $100 from me. how could this be prosecuted? THIS is date rape. That's false reportage, not rape. I don't think anyone is denying that this happens, but the thread itself isn't talking about that, it's talking about rape. A more applicable scenario is that you decide t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:10 PM
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Second comment because I submitted my first one before I meant to and, on my phone, it's easier to just make a new one than edit the old. I could go spedn the 10 seconds googling to find you the article about how women have no idea what turns them on Go ahead, but I've made my opinion on psychology and sociology pretty clear in this sub---they're soft sciences, meaning easily bendable to whatever narrative you're trying to maintain. When does a women have to understand male psychology to make a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:25 PM
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This doesn't really answer my specific questions (which had nothing to do with intentional or unintentional dishonesty).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:17 PM
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I didn't really care about 500 Days. But you "winced" at Eternal Sunshine? It's not my favorite Kaufman film, but come on. Pearls before swine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:16 PM
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So if a woman says what turns her on and it's what you expect her to say, then do you think she's being honest? Can you only believe women when they say what you already expect to be true about them? If they say anything other than that, you assume they're being dishonest?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 03:57 PM
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Do you genuinely think that you can't believe anything a woman says? What about men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 03:21 PM
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Man, you sound like an addict. Just cut yourself off, I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 06:20 PM
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Look, I don't know what to tell you. It sounds that you have a lot of unhealthy paranoia and that TRP is only serving to exacerbate it and make it worse. There's no reason to believe this girl was maliciously laughing at you behind your back unless you are extremely insecure. I was bullied in high school and it took me years after to stop thinking people were laughing at me. This is a mindset you need to distance yourself from, not dive into deeper. It's perfectly possible to improve yourself wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:55 PM
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This by itself as a claim is fine. But what does it have to do with those strategies you were talking about? Whatever conclusions you try to draw based on this study from here on out are pure interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:20 PM
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That's not exactly a good thing. I'm not even saying you should stop believing it, but maybe you should back away a little if you find it taking over literally everything you perceive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:18 PM
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Well that's fair enough, I still think she's a bitch if she says she does not believe in love but strings I'm along just to avoid the awkwardness of saying he's not attractive. Were that the case, I'd agree. Er, they get divorced? Autumn screws him over? That's the ending in my head Kaufman was the writer of Eternal Sunshine, that's the script I was referring to. I see. Yes I am playing as RP as possible Not sure what you mean here. but love is a terribly unscientific way of looking at reality t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:07 PM
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Yes. Are you saying you literally can't get more specific than that? Edit: and what does "wired differently" even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:52 PM
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EDIT: Also I love that you brought of ETSSM, one of my favorite movies of all time. I think Charlie Kaufman is a genius. Absolutely love him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:45 PM
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it's more complicated than that though, she says she doesn't believe in love, but what she meant is she's lying to preserve his feelings that she doesn't like him that way. It's also highly possible that she didn't believe in love when she made that claim because she had never felt it. I went through a "there's no such thing as love" phase when I was bitter and lonely in high school. I wasn't lying then when I said I didn't believe in it and I'm not lying now when I said that I do. People change…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:24 PM
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TRP provides a worldview and is primarily a body of beliefs to support that worldview. Some specific points I won't disagree with, but a lot of the sidebar is unsubstantiated. Psychology is a soft science and people frequently use it to simply support their different beliefs, and you can hear people making arguments for either side that sound really good. But since no side has really solid proof to support them, the debate goes on. And what you're saying right now is a generic platitude. Make a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:16 PM
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I think Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind did a great job with handling the "manic pixie dream girl" trope: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q3h936ZdMmQ&autoplay=1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qGZA5Thb2Mk&autoplay=1 It's the projection part that's the problem for the kinds of "betas" that TRP describes. Not seeing the person but the idea of them or only what you want from them. I also thought the film did an excellent job at showing why "engaging in intimacy" is ultimately worth it, even if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:44 PM
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Lol, wanna give me your login information so I can see the articles? Beyond that, I'm talking more about specific shit in the sidebar, not general stuff like this (although it's the combination of all these things that reinforce certain overall beliefs about women). Things like women are incapable of of unconditional love while men are, that women are hypergamous while men are not, that women are less rational than men, that women are incapable of change, ect. And I've gone down this road before…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:30 PM
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I've never seen evopsych support the very specific claims of TRP about gendered natures and I've seen plenty of arguments on the other side of it too that sound just as convincing, which just shows how soft and bendable a science psychology is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 02:31 PM
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Maybe Steppenwolf by Hermann Hesse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 01:29 PM
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personally I attribute this mindset to their non strictly scientific education that makes them detached from hard facts and more slanted to blind faith in ideology. I find this ironic, seeing as TRP is pure ideology with no credible scientific backing to support its claims other than a series of logical fallacies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 12:59 PM
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You tried to back out of your statement, and appeal to what you and other BP'ers were claiming to say, versus what you actually said. You misinterpreted my comment. By we, I was referring to what myself and the person I was responding to were talking about (or "characterizing"). They said what they thought misogyny was, I responded with what I thought it was, they assumed what I said was regarding TRP and not misogyny, so I corrected him by reminding him what we (he and I) were talking about. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 10:30 PM
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Except that you literally did in the original comment I replied to. Where? When I described RP philosophy about women? I see the exact same thing from BP. Take you in this comment thread, for instance. You made a hasty generalization to start, correlated the things I say to RP despite having no evidence of such, appealed to bandwagon to back up your claims, and topped it off with a sad ad hominem. Lol, what hasty generalization? TRP literally uses the acronym AWALT in their sidebar and is filled…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 07:41 PM
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