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I am happy you're being critical of people's self-assessed political beliefs, because a lot of people are full of shit about that nowadays. But I can't help but be a bit surprised that this isn't an obvious yes to you. Did you not notice any difference to other male advocate places? They're usually either - completely subservient to feminist thought even where it is in open conflict with advocating for men's issues, itself, or reality itself - or they have a ton of people who advocate for going …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/26 11:22 PM
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I think you don't need to actually exclude women. The point is that we need spaces that are focused on typically male interests, struggles and needs. If women fit into that without needing to take center stage and detract from that focus, why not? My feeling is that you'll face similar or even less opposition that way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 06:06 PM
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Objectification is just not a separate concept from dehumanization. We needed a different term for it because otherwise it would become too obvious men are, yet again, more affected.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 09:34 AM
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I think it's very interesting how many different ways your statement was interpreted. I noticed the following interpretations: - I am a feminist, I hold X belief, therefore, all/most/many feminists believe that (statement of fact) - I am a feminist, I hold X belief, and every feminist who disagrees isn't one (normative statement) - I am a feminist, I hold X belief, they do not conflict (opposing normative beliefs) - I am a feminist, I hold X belief, not all of us are bad (just speaking for yours…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 04:56 PM
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Which part is "not happening?" If it's the part where feminists use their institutionalized power to hurt men, would you like to see examples?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 04:45 PM
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I think "the system" has pretty much the same attitude towards radfem content as towards Andrew Tate. It gets hateful assholes to spend all day on social media, so the algorithm loves it. Hateful assholes can also be useful politically because they're very easy to manipulate. That's about it. The only real difference is that mainstream people talk openly negatively about Andrew Tate, as they should, but not about Radfems, even though they should, too. But I don't see how that makes much of a dif…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 08:56 AM
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I'm not sure what you think you're telling me here, I'm aware. However, Economics is also a humanity. That discipline is still dominated by the Chicago boys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 08:20 AM
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This is the kind of science you expect to see when a right-wing think tank argues we should lower taxes for the rich or back when tobacco companies still argued smoking was healthy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 12:16 PM
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Opening up to people who are a safe space for your thoughts and feelings is great. Opening up to people wo aren't is terrible. If you're opening up and get negative reactions for it, that was a test not of your emotions or opening up as a concept, but of the people you opened up to. It appears that in your case, they failed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 10:51 AM
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Why would it be crazy that women grow up more sexist than men in a world where men are policed either lightly (conservative) or draconically (left) for Sexism while women aren't policed for it at all (conservative) or actively encouraged (left)? The only logic where it doesn't turn out that way is one where women are inherently not sexist, which is just the sexist "women are wonderful" again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 03:37 PM
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It's completely normal that you have hundreds of drugs enter "early human trials" for one to emerge that's actually safe and effective.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/26 11:34 AM
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Early childhood: Make an effort to not show emotionally different reactions based on gender. I.e. think of my girls as as brave, driven and capable as boys and my boys as as sensitive, caring, and inherently valuable as girls, and encourage them to embody those virtues. Later, I plan on not making it a topic specifically, but treat misandrist feminists just like any other hate group. I'd say something along the lines of "When people are really angry at the world, often because something bad happ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/26 02:12 PM
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Science is still the best way we have to find out the truth to basically all questions. It was never reasonable to take every single paper as gospel by itself. It never worked like that in any science (maths is a humanity not a science). The questions we ask and the methods to measure them are too complex for that. That doesn't mean science is dead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 08:12 AM
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>(As an aside, what about men with AI boyfriends? I feel like that gets a pass given the history of computer science tbf) It will probably land on the same pile as the high domestic violence rate among lesbians, labeled "Not useful for gender warfare".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:38 AM
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Science is doing well. Grievance studies aren't science, they're terrible political activism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:34 AM
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This is exactly how the Klan fearmongers about black people. Vile.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 05:39 PM
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I fully agree with your hatred against the draft but does this actually change anything or is it simply a different (hopefully less bureaucratic) way of implementing a virtually identical policy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 09:32 AM
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Yes, men buy the clothes that are sold to them. So do women. Do "men's tastes" decide what's on offer, or does what's on offer decide men's tastes? We cannot know. I feel like we had a good debate about that fashion from women's perspective during the 90s and early 2000s where many women did not feel like they were marketed to at all. I had two takeaways from that: For fashion, there is very little "inherent taste". It's almost entirely trends that can be pretty arbitrary. There seems to be no c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 11:31 AM
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That is one of the more narrow definitions of femicide I've read. I've seen many feminists work with definitions so broad that effectively every unnatural death of a women is a femicide. They claim that a femicide is a death that is more likely when the deceased is a woman, and then just claim women are more affected, even when they're not. Boom, femicide. I can give you one example of those fake statistics I've seen: Medicine. They claim that women are killed more often by the medical system by…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/25 02:03 PM
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so in which link does she say that quote in the title?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 11:33 AM
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Couldn't agree more. First-past-the-post sucks and this antagonistic, inaccurate, manipulatable 2-party system it creates is the lowest form of democracy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 09:52 AM
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She doesn't say that in the clip. This is fake news.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 09:43 AM
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Maga is extreme right and openly flirting with fascism. Edit: If you're downvoting this, you're either severely misinformed or you're so right-wing yourself that you don't belong to this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 08:19 AM
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I am happy you liked my take. > I often feel that there's no obvious option to vote for, because no one actually stands for what I believe. Yeah, I of course sympathize as a member of this sub. But I think we're far from the only group that sees themselves voting for an increasingly evil lesser of two evils these days. However, especially given the state of the US, I feel the need to say that any vote is better than a vote for fascist-sympathizing right-wing populists. Liberals may have somewhat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 05:18 PM
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I hear people on all sides say some variation of "people on the other side are crazy and hate me/my values/my identity, so that's why I oppose them." It's so easy to polarize society by signal boosting idiots and assholes. Don't define your own politics in opposition to assholes who spread hate. Define it in agreement with good people who say smart and compassionate things. I think that's the solution to staying the course and maintaining a steady and integrous moral compass in this polarized wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 12:25 PM
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It's clear you don't understand the definitions of sex and gender and their biological and sociological meaning. I am happy to write you a quick write up if you're actually open to learning instead of just trolling. Are you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/25 11:20 PM
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I just noticed this answer, sorry for grilling you on not answering that point down the other thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 10:22 PM
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It's not a hypothetical. It was a literal popular vote on that exact question (same with retirement age) and feminists recommended voting against equality both times. You can disagree with the premise all you want. You have to choose A or B. You're not being smart by dodging the question. It makes you look like Jordan Peterson responding "I wouldn't get into that situation" to the trolley problem. He had to dodge that question because his value system is dumb and trying to substantiate an answer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:55 PM
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without moving away from home No. The initial training is 21 weeks away from home at some military facility, just like you'd expect. Additionally, you do a total of 9 weeks of refresher courses over the next years. Those are reasonably accommodating and can be done while holding a regular job. Maybe that confused you into thinking it's all that accommodating? And then there is the most important part: you're forced into combat if there is a conflict. . In the u.s. the military is an optional wor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:00 PM
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>Well I live in the u.s. where the concept of equality regardless of sex/race identity is much more important to the general public. I have no idea where you take this idea from that equality is much less important to Swiss people than to Americans. I'd say the opposite is the case. Frankly, I'm offended you would state something like that so matter-of-factly. >Are you sure it was even a feminist group that did that in Switzerland? Yes, I'm sure. All relevant feminist organizations came out and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 06:05 PM
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>Most feminists would support gender equal conscription but would prefer none. That's a nice way to dodge the question. How much do feminists care about equality when they're actually put on the spot? I am from Switzerland, a country with male-only draft, and feminists opposed equalizing the draft when we voted on it, just as they opposed equalizing the retirement age. I'll have to conclude that feminists are fighting against equal treatment for men when it benefits women, exactly what I said ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 05:49 PM
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I think that men's rights spaces owe it to women to not actively fight against equal rights for women. That happens sometimes and where I see it, I never like it and regularly call it out. Meanwhile, I feel that that's it's absolutely ubiquitous in feminist spaces to have zero consideration for men's rights when the slightest conflict of interest arises, and the consensus is to choose advantages for women over equality for men every single time, e.g. the draft, unequal retirement ages where they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 05:39 PM
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>What is "lived experience" The term really explains itself, doesn't it? It refers to the experiences he made in his own life as opposed to for example things he read, statistics, or stories by others. What I'm saying here is that e.g. a very attractive person like him has experienced that he only needs to actually go outside and groom himself, and women and people throw themselves at him because he has insane pretty privilege. If he uses his own experience to understand men who complain about d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 08:30 AM
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Hasan is rich, tall, ridiculously attractive, intelligent and extroverted. He's a 10. He has that risk-taking extroverted ADHD that fits really well into traditional masculinity. He also never raised a son. There are few men on the entire planet whose lived experience has less connection with men's issues than Hasan Piker's. It's kind of ridiculous to ask Hasan for his opinion about dating. Of course he's not going to empathize with the average man. He suffers every privilege under the sun and h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/25 08:58 PM
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You sound like a generally level-headed person that I don't disagree with too much. However, as with most level-headed feminists, It sounds like you do not see it when other, less level-headed "feminists" dehumanize men. >misogyny can harm men Sure, it's almost trivially true. Hating your peers harms everyone including the hater. But far more often, I find that this sentence is used to deny the existence of misandry, which far more directly harms men. For example, it's not misogyny when men are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 05:00 PM
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There is certainly a gender-neutral loneliness epidemic. We've seen a continuous decline in how much social time people spend with each other over at least ~50 years, maybe a lot longer. The number of people per household keeps falling, people moved to suburbs with more physical distance to their friends, we abolished third spaces, we stopped socializing during meal times, hours worked per person keeps skyrocketing, Hobbies have been moving from less in-person socialization to more media for a w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/25 01:46 PM
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That concept comes from the Conservative gender roles that dominate mainstream feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/25 10:37 AM
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>its disgusting to cons that a person would want to be a non person This is a stupid view of transphobia that no adult who pays any attention at all to the topic should hold. Don't be that person and simply look at real transphobia, it will very quickly disprove that narrative. It neatly fits into an overly reductive world view, but it has nothing to do with reality. Frankly, it should shake your trust into the people who spread this narrative how little regard they have for reality. No one insu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 05:56 PM
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It's a rethorical trick: You define terms to imply something, but claim you don't mean it. It's bailey-and-motte tactic. Patriarchy as a term implies that men are responsible or oppressors. Faced with the reality that most men aren't, some feminists will disclaim that and pretend to simply call gender roles "patriarchy". If you add to the mix that feminists will never call out misandry, you can now easily unify raging misandrists, somewhat average sexists and even some level-headed people under …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 03:59 PM
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I think many women are being truthful when they say they don't want to be approached. The thing is that they do not present an alternative means of dating, because most women will not approach men, and they do want relationships in the end. So in essence, they hope a man will teleport into their life with a fully formed relationship. Since that's impossible, what happens in reality is that those women who don't want to be approached and also don't approach end up begrudingly tolerating approache…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 01:05 AM
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OK, I see now what you mean. I read your comment above where you said >upper class is almost exclusively white men. to mean that the women I consider upper class must be some other class, such as middle class. But I think it's clear that you didn't mean to say that billionaire women do not have the extreme privilege that characterizes the upper class in my definition of class .
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 06:22 PM
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I do discourage gender policing and similar detrimental language for my actual peers, because I don't like hearing those things either. Not surprisingly, my peers don't need a lot of discouragement, they don't think the world is full of cucks, betas and the like in the first place. It's nice to hear a feminist mention things like discouraging height shaming. You're literally the first woman I have heard claiming she does that, much less actually witnessing it. I have, on the other hand, called o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 06:04 PM
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There can both be gendered imbalances within the upper class and the upper class can be 50% male, 50% female. Melania Trump isn't president, but that does not make her an oppressed member of the middle class. We cannot pretend that those differences are anywhere near as big as the differences between actual classes, e.g. billionaires vs. the average American.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 05:55 PM
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This stupid "men holding each other accountable"-meme needs to die a painful death. Men hold close to zero sway over other men just because they share a gender. People hold sway over their PEERS. You become a peer by sharing a space, a social group, social status, politics, stuff like that. Friends, family, colleagues or similar groups can hold each other accountable. But the young progressive likely to receive this message has zero sway over the old conservative or the sexually harassing asshol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 05:44 PM
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I don't understand how people can argue that a female Kennedy today or a lady of the house in Victorian England is not upper class. There are gender differences, even stark ones. But the idea that a female Kennedy or a Victorian lady is not upper class, i.e. closer to commoners than she is to male members of the upper class, is strikingly ignorant. The worst thing you can say is that you can make up a "female upper class" and position them slightly below the "male upper class" but far above actu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 05:25 PM
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This is what needs to happen on a bigger scale. Men need to speak up for themselves when women ask for so much more than they are willing to give. We need to stop taking the abuse from misandric women. The problem is that the men who actually understand the state of the male gender role usually struggle with their gender role and thus have low self esteem. It's easy to abuse people in that state, it's easy to deter them from standing up for themselves by calling them names such as MRA or incel (…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 05:13 PM
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Speaking of "the other gender" that way reminds me of Simone de Beauvoir's "the other sex". I think the way we think about gender is so gynocentric that actually many of her theories about male gaze can be applied to modern feminism in reverse: Feminism has deconstructed gender from a female perspective only. The male gender role is treated as alien, often with fear or disdain, but always from the outside. And that leads to a fundamental othering, voicelessness and misunderstanding, which are al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 10:23 AM
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This is the one. We should not draw the comparison to abortion, but to safe haven laws. The parallels are so much more obvious. While I believe that the commitment and responsibility of raising a child is much more important to nearly every woman than the bodily harm of pregnancy, and it is therefore somewhat disingenuous to say that abortion is mainly about bodily autonomy, there is a reason people argue like that: People who recognize rights to bodily autonomy but do not recognize reproductive…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 10:12 AM
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There are always counter examples with millions of people. Sorry, I added a second paragraph to my previous response to explain better why I don't think this call-out rethoric is helpful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 12:56 PM
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Yeah I agree that feminists close to never call out misandry and, you know, a few bad apples spoil the bunch. And just like for the police, it's always at least doubtful how good the good apples are in the first place. However, I just don't think it produces constructive discourse to leave it at calling all feminists misandrists, regardless of how true that is, it doesn't change minds nearly as well as talking about ideas and pointing out whether they apply their ideas in an egalitarian way. If …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 12:39 PM
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You keep saying that we can't just identify bad things self-identified progressives do as right-wing. But that's not what anyone here is doing. We're pointing out traditionally right-wing ideas when self-identified lefties propagate them. We're assigning ideas to sides and only after that we look who uses which ideas. You seem to say that whatever lefties do is leftist and should be accepted as leftist. But that means right and left lose all meaning, as anyone can identify as either. Even worse,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 11:08 AM
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Yeah, the point is not argued well, but they tried to summarize a book in a sentence so it's bound to be overly simplified. I think many of the toxic parts in feminism can be traced back to people equating pro women = progressive. But there are lots of pro women right-wing policies. Most prominently, good men protecting women from bad men. Pop feminism is obsessed with good men protecting women from bad men. Violence against women, sexual violence, "Feminists" asking men to speak up or physicall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 10:36 AM
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Cis isn't a slur. I have never seen anyone call anyone "cis" as an insult standing by itself. People do that with slurs. It doesn't make a word a slur that some people regularly use it in a negative context, such as dismissing someone's opinion because they're a "cis-het old white male". By that logic, you could just as easily call old, white or male slurs. They're not. A misandric person will use the term "man" negatively. That doesn't make the word "man" a slur. The word needs to be an insult …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 10:47 AM
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My main gripe with the discourse around toxic masculinity is that Feminists never call out other Feminists for misandry. Some Feminists have a definition of toxic masculinity that I very much agree with: It's the part of the male gender role that's toxic. The ways in which we raise and gender police men that make men miserable and make them hurt themselves and the people around them. I have a lot of problems with the societal role men are forced into. So calling out bad parts is very much in lin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 05:59 PM
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It's a fine line to walk. I've made posts criticizing the left for misandry, and I think it takes major blame for the shift to the right among young men. But I found myself inserting "disclaimers" several times to avoid the impression that voting for Trump because of misandry on the left is in any way a sane or excusable reaction. But that's not how any of that works. Men failing as citizens by voting Trump does not absolve the left of pushing them away with misandry. The left pushing them away …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 02:20 AM
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I know plenty of Boomers whose "Feminism" consists of nothing but women are wonderful and blaming men for all problems. This is certainly brainrot, but not TikTok brainrot. These people have been around at least since the 2nd wave, probably earlier.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/25 01:29 AM
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"Blame patriarchy, not feminism" I reject your gaslighting and blame whoever says something hateful to me, thank you. For me, self-identified Feminists are leaps and bounds higher on that list. I recognize that both can be hateful and my bubble is an important factor. Unlike this stupid false dichotomy that claims all Feminists are nice. Not even mainstream Feminists agree with that. "men oppress other men, not women do it" It is a proven fact that both men and women engage in gender policing me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/25 01:23 AM
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propagate their agenda of demonization of human males or attain moral superiority over all of them. Nah, there is no grand agenda. You're overcomplicating this. Misandric feminists are simply hurt and wallowing in victimhood, like many other groups who center around victimhood and negativity. Victimhood and negativity lead to hatred. You see a similar dynamic with incels, extreme right, a few sects, you name it. They feel victimized, they blame someone, they lash out. It's just not a good headsp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 10:26 PM
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Sure, that's true, but we need to question that tendency to hyper focus the discourse around sub-sub-categories of violence that women are most affected by. I think the pretty obvious answer is that female victimhood is just more important to both traditional gender norms and Feminists, who are working hard to push traditional gender norms when it comes to female victimhood. So while it's good to acknowledge a common basis of fact like you did with your question, we should be mindful of that ten…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 10:13 PM
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It's the age old question of whether a reasonable voice should adapt their terms and logic and apply them equally, thus talk about androcide, or argue that femicide isn't a thing. I assume most people here are intelligent and emancipated enough to understand that using popular definitions of femicide, which call all killings that would not or less likely have happened to a man a femicide, androcide is the much, much more common and important problem. Because by that definition, all men who die i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/24 08:30 AM
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That's legit from the perspective of the people campaigning. You have to appeal to voters, you don't get to decide that the voters should focus more on policy and less on vibes But the person I answered to is basing their own voting decision on vibes and culture war stuff instead of policy. I think that's dumb. If you have the analytical capability to understand policy, use it to inform your ballot!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/24 07:24 PM
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It's the classic relationship dynamic of the man always being wrong and taking all the blame, except on a political scale, and with women and men being treated as monoliths. It would be funny how pathologic it is if it didn't cause as much harm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 07:54 AM
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This is just bog-standard bigotry. Southern racists are also completely convinced they are the ones who understand black people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 01:50 AM
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I don't like the "right to emotions" thing. It's manipulative. No one is trying to forbid you from feeling, that's impossible. People use this framing to demand accommodations or at least empathy for something. But not all emotions should be treated with empathy or be accommodated. Some should be discouraged and shamed. An obvious one where society gets that is racism. I think average people understand that "a right to your emotions" isn't a good way to think about wanting to lynch your black ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/24 05:56 PM
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As usually with feminists being bigoted against men, I find that analogies to racism help: "If you only bring up missing black people on cases of missing white women, you don't care about missing white women". I care about social justice and I live in a society where white women have a near monopoly on victimhood. Of course I bring up men (and other identities) in conversations about white women's victimhood. They're the only conversations about victimhood we have.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/24 06:18 AM
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It's not the word "privilege". It's the idea that you can treat entire genders as monoliths. "Men" as a group are not homogeneous enough to reliably ascribe anything more than very basic features and dynamics to all men. A list of advantages "men" as a group have over "women" as a group must be incredibly short because of how heterogeneous those groups are. Not included should be about 90% of the crudely substantiated pop-science crap Feminists love to put on those lists. It's especially disappo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/24 06:28 PM
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Our main adversary to positive change on military equality of course the right-wing who want men to die in combat because of misandry. But I think the obstacle to actually feasible change is the Feminist talking point that no one should be drafted instead of making conscription equal. I would love a world without military conflict or the threat thereof, and I share many of the arguments for a standing army instead of conscription, but that is a different, difficult process and using equality as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/24 09:52 AM
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The right invented that shit. They have been calling even the most centrist boring democrats extreme left on FOX for like a decade now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/24 02:25 PM
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I think there is a fairly evident synthesis of those 2 views: History moves towards progressivism, but it's neither a straight path nor should it be taken for granted. Every inch of that progress has been fought for. And instead of steadily increasing egalitarianism etc, we keep backsliding, and need to fight for it again in this cyclic nature or pendulum as you called it. But I do think we can see a trend towards things getting better if we zoom out far enough.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/24 06:47 AM
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Not sure what's your point? I don't want to predict anything that far into the future.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/24 12:44 AM
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Probably when boomers die. Conservative is round about when my parents were socialized and progressive is when I was socialized. Because of our unusual population pyramid, boomers have been the dominant generation and thus the dominant "I" in this narrative, and they were politically socialized in the 70s & 80s, which is why so many are stuck thinking being pro weed and pro gay (but not trans or men's rights) is the height of progressivism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/24 11:50 PM
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yeah I think the core problem is that most feminists, like most other people, don't humanize men the way they do women, and being bigoted against people you don't humanize just doesn't register at all. They don't do it on purpose. It needs a conscious effort to realize one's own dehumanization of some groups, just like it did with other ethnicities and sometimes women in the past. The part that's so infuriating is that they claim to fight for humanizing more people but have this huge blind spot …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 08:10 PM
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This is the sole reason I have zero respect for most people in social sciences. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Scientists are people and they're not magically freed from hateful bigotry by receiving an education. I understand it hurts when people justify bigotry against you misusing scientific language, I find that they are closer to the truth than average society. That thread also has some very good posts that you would find in few other places on reddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 11:37 AM
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I agree that many feminists hold radfem values. But it gives me the opportunity to point out their bigotry by directly and rationally calling out bigoted behaviors. What wrong with that? I disagree though that Terfs are treated like men. I feel Terfs are treated with much more compassion. Often they assume past trauma or otherwise humanize them despite them openly spewing hateful bigotry (that they can identify, for a change).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 09:22 AM
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What's wrong with saying radfems and other deeply bigoted people who claim the label aren't feminists? It's very obviously true according to their own definition of feminism, and it's quite normal right now to disown radfems due to their hatred for trans people. The jump to also put misandry on that list seems pretty obvious, especially because much of that transphobia is strongly linked to misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 12:04 AM
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It's just the narcissist's prayer. They don't "think" anything. They just want the problem of women being abusers to go away so they can focus on the real problem, men being abusers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 02:37 AM
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I think that depends strongly on your definition of "had it well". If you were happy with your gender role you generally had it well, I agree. E.g. If you were and wanted to be a housewife in an upper middle class household and your husband wasn't an abusive asshole. When I think of women's issues being treated with disdain, I think of women wanting to pursue higher education, a career, achieving something. Or voting, having their voices heard. That was treated with disdain. You know, stuff that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 04:17 PM
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Yep. The world has changed around feminists, not the other way around. Decades ago, being a hateful, misandrist asshole was in many ways aligned with egalitarian goals because the world really did treat women's issues with disdain. Just like it does with men's issues today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 03:49 PM
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I think it's politically expedient to tip toe around the harm that feminists do to men. This "call out culture" that feminists love to practice was never actually politically expedient. It's good at preaching to the converted. Not enough people are converted that men's rights need attention, too. Feminists created this false narrative that men's rights are about rolling back women's rights. If you assign blame first and talk policy details second, like they themselves like to do with their call …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 10:39 AM
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Well that sounds like exactly what I assumed: You're just not exposed to right-wing nutjobs as much as you are to left-wing nutjobs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 09:48 AM
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I agree that people have gotten worse at tolerating dissent and turning it into productive discussions. In the real world, too. What I disagree on is that this is a left wing phenomenon. I think it's a product of political discussion on social media, where outrageous opinions and preaching to the choir are boosted while facts, nuance and productive discourse gets ignored. Obviously, the entire political spectrum is exposed to this detrimental discourse on social media. I don't want to claim it's…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 04:01 AM
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You mentioned real policy issues as left things you agree on and culture war BS on what you disagree on. Cancel culture isn't a leftist thing. It's a twitter thing. It's a social media thing. Shifting people from real issues towards culture war BS is right-wing propaganda. We have too many important actually real policy decisions to make to focus our attention and voting decisions on flimsy undefinable vibes like cancel culture and wokeism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 01:05 AM
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I find that casual hate is best fought by equally casual criticism, certainly when you don't want to or cannot rely on social circles around to condemn it. Don't do an intervention or anything. Try to bring it up as organically as possible, tell her it hurts you or you don't find it right that she uses language that callously throws your entire gender under the bus and quickly change the topic again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/24 04:10 PM
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This nonsense is not helpful. Feminists are 100% right that risky behaviour does not equal responsibility for being victimized Some women engaging in risky behaviour does not dictate that other women cannot avoid similar risks The problem is generalizing from some violent acts by some men to all men. Being afraid of all men because of a gender statistic is just as sexist as being afraid of all black people is racist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 06:05 AM
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Malice vs. self-serving ignorance doesn't matter in how much damage they can do, but it matters in how you should engage with people like her. Someone whose morality is self-serving and intellectually lazy may be convinced, especially because the way Feminists treat men's issues conflicts with other pillars of their belief system. I know I've convinced a few in that camp. However, talking to someone whose Feminism is essentially a rationalization of their hatred against men is a complete waste o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 02:20 PM
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I don't think we should assume malice in people like her. We set up a system where women's voices and grievances are heard and assumed systemic and men's voices and grievances are sometimes suppressed and always assumed individualized or at best secondary. You don't need to be malicious to become biased in such a system, you simply need to listen to the voices presented to you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 02:00 AM
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My understanding is that controlling emotions is part of a healthy relationship with your own emotions. By itself, it's a good thing. But controlling is also a part of repressing your own emotions. The problem is that to the outside, both look similar, so social pressure ends up encouraging repression just as much as it encourages a healthy emotional state. In fact, it probably encourages repression more for people whose road to a healthy emotional state is a bit harder because of trauma, mental…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/23 12:57 PM
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I think it's a great idea to use more nuance when discussing how men (or people in general) deal with emotions, and your distinction is very useful for that. However, the way I use those terms, controlling emotions without addressing them is how you repress emotions. And because it's hard to see from the outside how those controlled emotions are addressed outside of just controlling them, controlling (i.e. not showing) emotions is the only thing that's enforced socially.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/23 11:16 AM
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Writing people off who routinely lie and deceive for personal gain is important to maintain a sane and productive discourse. Pretending that bad faith actors don't exist is playing into their grift. It can still be helpful to substantiate why you are writing that person off, especially to inform newcomers. But repeatedly engaging with those bad faith actors on the factual level does not work in the real world, because appealing but wrong answers exist, and there is a reason right-wing populists …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/22 09:41 AM
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The government doesn't really have great leverage to do that, though. It can create incentives to force both partners to consider each others needs and wishes before founding a family and provide ways out before there are children. Divorce, abortion and parental surrender are excellent ways to do that. But the far bigger lever affects if and how we can resolve situations when things don't work out. Lots of conservatives still argue that forcing married couples to stay together, forcing women to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 10:39 AM
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After Not Being Guaranteed Money I get the feeling some women will start having safer sex to avoid this situation. I am disappointed to read this misanthropic, disproven idea that deferred "punishment" with raising a child in a destitue economic situation is a sane or effective way to discourage unsafe sex. Preservatives fail. People, especially teens and young adults, make mistakes and fail to consider long-term consequences. Making the long-term consequences more harsh is ineffective and cruel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 10:14 AM
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If a girl asks you for relationship advice, and you don't listen to her and instead just tell her "you aren't entitled to a man's money", the basic truth behind that statement takes a back role compared to the fact that you ignored her circumstances and immediately jumped to the conclusion that she must be a gold-digging whore. That's not just an insane conclusion to draw. It's mysogynistic and downright hateful. Now to swap back the genders, if you assume any guy having trouble finding a girlfr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/22 02:36 PM
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Hilarious. I can imagine the conversation between legislator and industry representative: "But we don't actually want to buy any. Our men need to continue to be allowed to carry damagingly heavy loads without equipment. We don't employ any women, so you can set the limit at whatever for them." That's one way to enshrine the continued maximized exploitation of men while also legally barring women from entering those jobs at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/22 09:53 AM
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oh, I read it like the political term, not the medical one. Sorry, that was ignorant. However, I still think the answer to your "believing you're trans merans you're trans" take is true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 08:21 AM
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honestly, I understand vibe checks are off when you use meaningless but politically charged terms like "transgenderism" or seem to get off on "hard-to-swallow pills". It doesn't exactly spell out an interest in good faith debate. until they believe the idea that merely thinking you're trans means you're trans That's a completely reasonable belief. Self-identification, "asking people" is what the entirety of psychology is based on with the notable exception of neuropsychology. And the reproducabi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/22 11:47 PM
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There is a legitimate conflict between gender abolitionists and the sub group of trans people that strongly identifies with one gender role. To my mind, that's OK. We don't need to have all the answers to be on the right track. My feeling is that the push back you're getting for those kinds of relatively obvious observations comes from a hyper vigilant "vibe checks are off" - corner rather than actual subject level disagreement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/22 09:55 PM
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Gender doesn't exist and gender is a social construct are very different takes. Calling something a social construct to devalue it is common and very wrong. Social constructs are extremely important to every aspect of human existence. Money is a social construct. Most hierarchies are social constructs. The state is a social construct and the police is a social construct. Terfs usually fall into the category of denying that gender exists or matters. They either directly argue that sex determines …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/22 09:52 PM
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