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After a year of me living alone (and 2 breakups spanning a couple of months each), we ended up living together. Breakups with your FWB or other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:04 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:57 PM
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What the above commenter is saying really only becomes an issue when she concurrently has one foot in the casual sex market and another in the relationship market. For example, if I found out a girl I was dating seriously had a FWB (or multiple FWBs) on the side, instant ick. It just screams indecisiveness, lack of control/maturity, and the acceptance that the commodification of people is somehow ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:20 PM
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Should I expect the same treatment immediately, simply because he did do those things in the past? No, but any feelings of insecurity that arise from that are perfectly valid and rational. It's pretty common for women to gauge their partner's attraction to them through the effort and resources they expend towards keeping the relationship going. So if his past partners got the princess treatment, it's normal to wonder why other women got that treatment but you're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:13 PM
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Different rules for different men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 04:04 PM
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The "platonic"-ness of the friendship still has to be proved at the beginning and, to a lesser extent, continually throughout the friendship. And even then, there might be doubts. Whereas with women, you don't have to worry about any of that. I'm not saying straight male-straight female platonic friendships are impossible or can never be mutually beneficial, but they are inherently unequal because women are naturally suspicious of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:05 PM
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I would never date a woman that makes minimum wage and/or with no career aspirations. Mostly for the same reasons most women would not date a man who makes minimum wage and has no career ambitions. So past a certain point, career and income just become a bonus. What are your thoughts on career women who have placed their careers as one of the most important aspects of their lives? It depends on how much free time and stress the career induces. Also, the prevalence of cheating and overall work cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 12:29 PM
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A better question is why would a woman even want to be platonic friends with a [straight] guy? You have to sus out whether he's secretly attracted to you/trying to get into your pants. Or if he's going to be attracted to you at some point in the future. There's a lot of conversation topics you'd probably be uncomfortable talking about around him. You're going to probably be spending the majority of your limited free time around other women where you don't have to worry about the above two points…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 02:34 AM
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Once you get to a certain age, a lot of those friends start settling down, prioritizing more of their time towards their partner and building a family than going out. Such is life. I'm lucky enough to have a mixed gender friend group, but the frequency at which single women choose to go out is incredibly low. There is no time to build rapport or "warm approach", because you won't see them again for another 3-4 months, and it's likely she'll have another guy locked down in that timeframe. Instant…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 08:00 PM
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Expecting to drive someone crazy with lust but thinking no one else can do that is stupid and egostic. Umm... where did he say this, though? That's wanting the perks but none of the flaws. It's obnoxious. No, it's called analyzing trade-offs. At a certain point in the spectrum (which is going to be variable depending on the individual), the flaws outweigh the perks. How is that any different from women that want a partner that knows what he is doing in the bedroom but also isn't a man-whore?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 04:31 PM
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He's saying it's not a dichotomy, it's a spectrum. The overwhelming majority of women don't want men with high N-counts either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 04:14 PM
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The 1990s just called. They want their debunked McCarthyist opinions back.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:10 PM
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So long as men are pursuing the women who are mutually interested, there are no problems. Ah yes, because men receive perfectly clear indications women are interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 06:47 AM
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Playing violent video games means you're more violent?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 06:45 AM
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Average TRM score for Olivia Dunne was a 6/10. Wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:23 AM
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There's some truth to what he's saying. Many younger single women have the same mannerisms, watch the same shows, have the same opinions, and have the same IG pics regardless of physical attractiveness or follower count. Unlike men, the difference (I think) is solely to bond better with other women in their peer group, not to attract more or "higher quality" suitors. There have been several observations/deconstructions of this phenomenon in popular media that take a less adversarial tone. One is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 06:16 AM
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For younger white women: very high standards relative to the rest of women. Majority are college educated and won't settle for anyone without a degree and making more than them. Combined with dominant European beauty standards, younger white women are the second most sought-after demographic in dating app studies analyzing the desirability of racial groups. Perceived higher value by men = higher standards by women. For younger black women (caveat: I am a white American so take this with a grain …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:39 AM
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How do you know for sure that respectful, decent men struggle the most in dating? It primarily comes down to looks. Second is personality. I'm a guy, and I've known plenty of conventionally attractive men. The ones that were respectful and decent were very successful in serial monogamy. The ones that weren't were very successful in casual sex with lots of women. So yes, selection bias indeed has a role to play. Personality comes into play when a fuckboy wants to reform as he inevitably gets tire…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:15 AM
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"Negging" in its original conception in the PUA community had nothing to do insulting women. It was more about negating, or disqualifying, yourself, as the man, to set yourself apart from the others. It would usually be something innocuous like "eh, you're not my type". I would probably even include it under the umbrella term, "banter". Negging turned into just straight insults because the PUA community is self-selecting. Those with high social intelligence and calibration used many of the strat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:59 AM
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Many women also get coomer-brained and construct an idealized version of the un-enthusiastic hot guy in their heads. And yes, I'm aware this phenomenon isn't exclusive to just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:25 AM
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What we perceive as "attractiveness queues" are really just health indicators. Strength, height, robust facial bone structure, etc. just aided pre-historic Chad in surviving to the point where he could take a wife (or wives) and have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:23 PM
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That doesn't change the fact that women are willing to share higher status men, if they didn't out humans wouldn't be that developped now. Again, women didn't have any say in the matter. Dynastic kinship structures were the norm for most of recorded history. Well if you look at this study plus other ones you can certainly get an idea. No, I have no idea what you're talking about or how you got to this conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 11:17 PM
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I'm saying it has nothing to do with polygyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 11:12 PM
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I'm referring to the development of agriculture which lead to larger scale societies that saw rise to some of the most extreme forms of polygyny possible where elite men had harems in the hundreds and thousands. Now contrast pre-industrial agricultural societies to the the post-industrial societies of today. Polygyny has gone down. The reason hunter-gatherer societies had monogamy or smaller scale polygyny should be incredibly obvious: There were far less people on the planet, leading to smaller…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 11:09 PM
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If it was just about sex, they wouldn't be all over social media complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:44 PM
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There are studies that show that since the beginning of our specie only 40% of men have reproduced vs 80% of women. Explainable by wars and performing more dangerous jobs before reaching marriagable age. An other study shows that 8000 years ago 1 men for 17 women was reproducing. I've read the study. A single Y-chromosomal genetic bottleneck 8,000 years ago does not dictate human behavior when modern humans have existed for far longer. Women would choose to be with those men because they were at…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:41 PM
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Resource abundance and hoarding is what lead to the most extreme levels of polygyny ever seen in history. Are you referring to present times? We don't live in a polygynous society. The fact that there are a lot of women getting duped in situationships or having casual sex with higher status men is an entirely different phenomenon with different causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:33 PM
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Women didn't have much say in the matter. What are you basing this off of? Concubines were for pleasure, and usually lower status women whose only other option was living in squalor. Marriages were (for the powerful men at least) for diplomacy. No parents of high status women would allow their daughters to be concubines. There was nothing in it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:25 PM
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Polygyny was only historically an option due to extreme resource scarcity. Like when you absolutely needed a man to provide basic necessities like food, water, shelter, and clothing. Staying single is now a viable option for women who live in developed countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:15 PM
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Depends on the geography, setting, and culture. I live in a large West Coast city. In some neighborhoods, what you're saying is true. In the college areas, I see a lot of nerdy mid (but stylish) Asian men with cute girlfriends. I also see a lot of young Latino men punching WAY above their weight class. What you're seeing seems to apply the most with younger white and black women. I have my theories for why this is this case but I'd rather not break the race baiting rule on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:05 PM
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These women ALWAYS ignore my question and detail how they are in fact a couple because of the following: They're looking for evidence that confirm their desire for a relationship with the guy. Do you ever tell the women this (or some variation of this), and what is their response?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 04:08 PM
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So inequities are necessarily the result of "needs" being neglected?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:18 PM
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Under what magical circumstances do a large percentage of women start spewing hate and shame to a man over DMs? Negativity and selection/survivorship biases. Your welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:06 PM
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It will never not be funny watching some women espouse BlackPill talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:53 PM
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Are we going solely on jaw size and shape? If so, I can understand the low-ish accuracy. But when taking into account other factors, the accuracy jumps up to 94%. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6344795/#:~:text=Morphology%20of%20skull%20and%20mandible,94%25%20%5BTable%201%5D.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 04:55 PM
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...because by speaking up about what you want, you're forcing him into an ultimatum. And you'd have some of him than none of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 04:04 PM
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I think the point is that most women who find themselves in situationships aren't dichotomizing men like men do to women. Obviously, the factors that make a man "high value" to an individual woman are going to vary immensely based on her values, maturity, and how sociosexual/demisexual she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 04:01 PM
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I feel like a broken record on this sub because I've been saying this for a long time: men and women have vastly different beauty standards, even when only looking at facial aesthetics. The only thing men have a leg up on women is nose size and shape; almost everything else from eye shape to overall face shape have wider ranges of acceptability under conventional feminine beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:52 PM
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scientists actually have a hard time separating male skulls from female ones. Sorry, what? Skulls are one of the most sexually dimorphic bones in the human body, right next to the pelvis. Jaw size and shape is usually the first thing forensic analysts and archeologists go for when trying to determine the sex of a skeleton.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:44 PM
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The desired results are just ego boosting and validation, not connecting and forming lifelong bonds.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:57 PM
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You would make the perfect reddit mod. Somebody get Incel_Finder some more power!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:22 PM
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The flip side of the coin for the Norwegian Gender Paradox is that in more patriarchal and sexist countries, like India, women are more interested in pursuing traditionally male dominated careers like engineering and IT. Why do you think this is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:55 PM
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Different beauty standards, different rules for attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:42 PM
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Good thing I, nor David Buss excuses it. You asked for an explanation, so I gave one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:29 PM
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Read Why Men Behave Badly by David Buss. It will explain all of the following in greater detail: Men have a greater tendency towards what is known as the "sexual over-perception bias", or perceiving that a woman is more interested in him than she really is. It persists in the evolutionary sense because the men who have it are effectively casting a wide net and had a greater opportunity to eventually mate and have sex than men underperceiving sexual interest. Sexual over-perception bias is also H…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:05 PM
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I mean, when you look at it under a microscope it seems pretty banal. But when you look at the trends for how these people behave and affect other people, there's a lot of parallels you can draw to drug addicts (Like, "I can quit anytime!" Uh huh, sure). It's not a gendered bias so much as a survivorship bias. If she wanted to improve her selection criteria for men, she would've already done so and not have a recent, clearly recognizable pattern of choosing shitty men. Ever seen Euphoria S2? If …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:35 PM
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Relationships have inherent risks. And I'll readily concede those risks are higher for women when children are involved. Most women know this because it's incessantly preached about, mostly by other women. So your only options are: Give up on relationships with men in general. If you're this jaded to get to this point, you'd be doing everyone in the singles market a favor. Accept that a LTR carries risks and if you want kids, you need to vet hard for the future father of your children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 12:02 AM
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Where did I say that? Women are allowed to demand marriage before kids and for some reason(s) many of them still don't. Why do you think this is?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 11:40 PM
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I don’t think that honoring your promise is something wrong or toxic I didn't say it was. If only my opinion was obvious we wouldn’t have so many kids with insecure attachment and intense fear of abandonment. You mentioned in another comment you live in France. France is more gender egalitarian than the U.S., with greater access to birth control and abortion. Most of these women aren't being forced to have children, which means, on some level, women tolerate or even prefer the current state of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 11:02 PM
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I don’t think that honoring your promise is something wrong or toxic I didn't say it was. If only my opinion was obvious we wouldn’t have so many kids with insecure attachment and intense fear of abandonment. You mentioned in another comment you live in France. France is more gender egalitarian than the U.S., with greater access to birth control and abortion. Most of these women aren't being forced to have children, which means, on some level, women tolerate or even prefer the current state of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 11:02 PM
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It's not necessarily "trapping", but it is the inducement of social pressures to honor a commitment made to another person. I'll also file this post under "opinions so obvious I don't know why they have to be stated".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 10:49 PM
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There are still plenty of those. Sure, they still exist, but there's less of them and with declining participation from the single women demographic. So point still stands; it was easier, but how much easier is probably where the debate is. Have you talked to many young single men that aren't chronically online? I've been to most of those venues and events you've listed and they're mostly sausage fests. I have a mixed-gender friend group of mostly older Gen Z women (born between 1996-2000), and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:40 PM
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He didn't say it was easy, he said it was easier. Which I agree with. Lack of mixed-gender social events, lack of settings where you are likely to see single women with any regularity all contributed to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:09 PM
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If you aren't attractive (or even just average), you have to make up for that in other ways. Men in particular aren't just competing in their league for their looksmatch, they're also competing against men outside of their league looking to date down. Which of the two male suitors has to compensate with more effort and investment: the 6/10 guy going for the 6/10 girl, or the 8/10 guy going for the 6/10 girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:42 PM
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RP stuff? Of course I will interrupt in the least charitable way! Do you see the flair under my username? What does it say? And not mention you were just like “wrong” and didn’t elaborate. So you got a snappy response. Then you ask me to elaborate. Explain how I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:18 PM
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Serious question: are you actually stupid, or do you just have to interpret things in the least charitable way to make yourself look more righteous? Do you have the same knee-jerk response when people refer to basic life improvements like going to the gym or skin care as "investments"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:29 PM
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Dudes, if no chick in the pretty zone wants you and you can’t settle for one of us idk what to tell you. There's an effort/investment factor you're ignoring here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 04:42 PM
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I've realized men are more attracted to cute feminine women than they are to the hottest chick on Instagram that shows a lot and sexualizes herself a lot. I'm a man, and I agree with this. Back in high school, I used to think I was shooting in my league by going for the "girl-next-door" 6-7/10 look. I quickly learned that these girls had way more options, many of them high quality, than the most conventionally attractive "hot" girls in my school. Like not even close. I really do think there is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:28 PM
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That's just the Coolidge Effect. It's been observed in both male and female mammal species, but to a higher degree in males.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:15 PM
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yet my life experience showed me that men are turned off by a woman wanting to stay celibate. So what is it then, men? Do you want the virgin or the whore? You can’t have both. It's a false dichotomy, stop listening to guys who tell you any N count above one makes you a slut. Most guys would prefer a girl with a little experience that doesn't give off whore-ish vibes for appearances sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:09 PM
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Alternative solution: Limit swipes for both genders at 25/day. Limit total matches to 10. Once you reach those 10 matches, no more swiping. Like Bumble, women still have to message first, and those matches disappear in 24 hours if a conversation hasn't been started. Allow a third option to reshuffle people you are unsure of back into the stack so you have a higher chance of seeing them again later if your current matches don't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 05:30 PM
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How is it that all my average looking friends have girlfriends and only on the internet the average looking guy cant get anything In my real-life peer group, the average looking guy is struggling. Not incel per se, but definitely struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 05:05 PM
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Are you more concerned about your offspring's partner's attractiveness than your actual offspring's attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 05:01 PM
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I think most women intuitively know that a man simply wanting to have sex with them is practically worthless. They're certainly not bragging to their friends at brunch that random guy #1097 wants to fuck them; it's not validating. They will brag about a guy wanting to take them on a date and making romantic gestures, though. The reason why so many women still get stuck in situationships has more to do with many of them angling for a relationship with a guy, fooling themselves by thinking he migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 12:12 AM
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Weird if you're assuming I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:40 PM
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Who are you talking to?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:28 PM
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You think there are more single women at your average social gathering than single men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 04:36 PM
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The overwhelming majority of abuse is done by a minority of men due to being born a psychopath or childhood trauma leading to sociopathy. If they wanted to change, they would've done so already. in the multiple senses of the word Does this include being lazy/complacent once you're in a relationship? Seems to be a more common complaint but I wouldn't call these men an abuser, just shitty partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 04:14 PM
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I mean, if more single men are showing up to these gatherings than single women, the fact that some single men are too scared of rejection or too bothered isn't the main problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 04:06 PM
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Why is he a drain on women? Because it's assumed he will turn into an entitled man-child/adulterer/porn addict/(fill in the blank for the most common negative traits you've seen about men on here) after a long enough period of time in a relationship with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:45 AM
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I will direct you to a comment by u/Forsaken_Berry_75 in this very thread. Second guy checked most of her boxes and she still got rug-pulled. Second guy was still better than the first because even though she got rug-pulled, it was a fun and exciting relationship up until the point she realized she didn't live up to his standards. Stories like these are a dime a dozen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:33 AM
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This is you, right? Yep. And we both agree women aren't going to date someone they think is a shitty partner. Longterm, no. I'm referring to perceptions that shape mate selection in the initial stages of dating. The higher the perceived risk, the higher the upfront requirements that can be determined before the "shitty partner qualities" even become apparent. I also never said that all women think this or that I agree with the perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:50 AM
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Well I keep saying that social circles actually work well for finding mates when you don't bring immediately obvious value, and men here keep saying no that's too much work like having friends and doing stuff and not being an obvious loser when observed closely over time is just so extra a thing to do. I think most single men would jump at the chance to go to a social gathering with a lot of single women. I also think most single women will have various reservations and excuses they might come u…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:38 AM
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Yes, I see how your strawman interpretation fails with simple logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:18 AM
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ignoring these traits does seem to be pretty silly. I never said they should be ignored, I said there is an incentive for them to take a backseat to developing more immediately appealing traits. I think “net negative” doesn’t necessarily means that men are bad. Any incompatible partner can be met negative, even if they’re wonderful people and save puppies in their free time. I don't think the women repeating the narrative I stated above are bemoaning the lack of compatible men, they're bemoaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:17 AM
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Why do you believe that women are dating men whom they believe will be shitty partners? I don't believe that and I never said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:13 AM
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it justifies not improving your interpersonal and emotional skills and moping about men with status and money? I never said nor implied that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 04:56 AM
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Banks still want customers. But if the risk is perceived to be high enough, banks would rather sit on their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:35 AM
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Bank analogy still applies. You don't think banks talk to each other? Read and analyze the same macroeconomic studies and forecasts of consumer creditworthiness and trends? You're still in the pool of "sub-prime" if you don't meet the minimum requirements. so your only options are to either raise your credit score or find another bank. FTFY. So yes, the only option is to raise your credit score (or come up with a bigger down payment to go back to my original example) or give up. That's the point…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:25 AM
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No bank owes anyone a loan, just like no bank is owed customers. Where did I imply people are entitled to a loan?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:11 AM
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It's almost as if dating within your social circles where men are more likely to have shared values and interests, as well as the seal of approval from your peer group is more conducive for finding a stable long-term partner. Crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:09 AM
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There’s this pervasive myth that defies reality that woman are not going for average men, which isn’t true. It's a myth promoted by both men and women. You do realize that, right? Of all the weird narratives the manosphere propagates, "women don't want to date average men" is one that many many women will enthusiastically agree with. The reason it's nothing to catastrophize over is that yes, plenty of average couples do still exist and declared standards mean nothing when you look at the types o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:04 AM
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And if the community bank won't approve you, find a loan shark. Brilliant plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:51 AM
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That makes sense. At least you're consistent. What doesn't make sense to me is the rise of "primary attraction standards" (looks, charisma, and money) in response to shortcomings in long-term relationship skills. If instead of: Men are going to be shitty no matter who I date or lower my standards for, so better to be miserable in a relationship with a hot/rich guy than miserable in a relationship with an average guy. And if I can't find that hot/rich guy then I'm happy staying single. It was: I …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:48 AM
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Why don't they just not be a drain on their future partner's lives? They can and they should but what does it matter for obtaining a partner when it's assumed they are going to be a shitty partner in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:33 AM
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And when a pool of potential debtors is considered high risk, a credit score that was once considered decent is no longer good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:30 AM
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And therefore men are always going to end up a net drain in their life Men are perceived to be net drains on women's lives. All you need is the perception. Happy couples and rom-coms will probably still exist to drip-feed hope to an ever shrinking pool of increasingly jaded women. And to come full circle, men have to be even more good looking, more rich, and more charismatic to convince these jaded women they are worth it. It's a positive feedback loop with a lot of collateral damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:55 PM
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That depends on the woman and her lifestyle though. Of course it does. We're talking about social trends though not individuals and exceptions that disprove the rule. Like a woman with a middle class lifestyle might want a middle class or upper class man to maintain that lifestyle. But also as someone who out earns (and always have out earned) my partner, it can also just mean you can make her happier in other areas. So you're saying emotional stability, emotional intelligence, shared values, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:38 PM
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I've argued elsewhere that the lack of shared community spaces and atomisation of society are the primary drivers for the current dating issues. However the op specifically talked about "rising standards" or specifically financial standards. They're correlated. Atomization and lack of shared spaces drives up the "down payment" (since men are seen as liabilities to women's lives) men have to pay to convince a woman he's worth her time and investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:41 PM
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I agree, they want money. I'm assuming the qverage guys profile doesn't signal that. Send a message saying you want to take her to Paris/ or somewhere nice like Budapest, for a weekend (separate rooms) all expenses paid and buy her some jewelry. Dont be creepy and don't choose a woman with a boyfriend.This is paying upfront, girlfriends will cost a similar amount over years. Why do this though? It's just simping to the extreme. There's no guarantee there will be any reciprocation and most men kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:54 PM
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Remember men, it's only been 15 years since women were locked in cages, couldn't have jobs, and were forced to be bang-maids.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:13 AM
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Once you understand and internalize that being needy and desperate gets you the exact opposite result of the one you wanted, it's not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:22 AM
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The opposite sex is the ultimate arbiter of value and attractiveness in heterosexual relationships. It goes both ways. That's like when a dude on here was complaining he couldn't score because he was shy. And all I could say was, "I don't make the rules, women do."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:55 PM
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Your social media presence needs to be up to snuff. What? Can you explain? Also, how is this any different from non-traditional settings?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:51 PM
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Well then you admitted yourself you aren’t putting in effort. Where did he say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:44 PM
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And if he was making less than you when you met him, you still would have gone with him, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:50 PM
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I did that with success. Okay, but doesn't this go against your first comment? If you agree it can be done, then you would also agree women shouldn't handicap themselves by disqualifying all men that make less than them, yes? But it's still sad watching young men get swayed by JBP and Tate thinking this is the way. Very limited reach these two have outside of online spaces. I assume you're not dating younger men anyway being an accomplished career woman so it's no skin off your back.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:40 PM
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Well, there you go. Those are all things you can vet for during the dating process instead of disqualifying all men who make less than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:32 PM
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The men who make as much or more than you and have fragile masculinities would pull the same shit. So the issue isn't that you make more than him; the issue is, as you say, fragile masculinity. Which men of all income ranges are capable of having. This is almost the same mentality as "I don't want to sleep with him too soon because he'll think I'm a slut!" Uhh... why would you even want to be with a man that thinks you're a slut for sleeping with him too soon? 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:23 PM
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What had you so upset in the first place about the way this guy was behaving and knowing you had to cut him off? Were you afraid of retribution/violence or are you more of the people pleaser type that's afraid of making others uncomfortable or angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:30 PM
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It’s anyone’s game. Takes two to tango. Most single men would jump at the invite to go to a house party with lots of single women. Most single women have a lot of reservations or excuses they come up with before going to a house party with a lot of single men, even when the gender ratio is somewhat balanced. Many of these reservations and excuses are entirely rational, some are not. This makes no sense. Most single women have deeper mixed-gender social networks than than most single men do. We'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:13 PM
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Curiosity, probably. He was probably waiting for you to set the tone of the interaction. Does she want to get back together? Does she just want to hookup? Does she just want to talk because she's lonely? If all you guys did was play chess and nothing else, he probably figured out you were just using him for emotional validation and support, which are the same vibes I'm getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:00 PM
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Closure is overrated. If I were him, I would see this as my ex trying to weasel her way back into my life because she wanted something out of me, whether it's validation, emotional support, or money. Your ex seems pretty cool btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:47 PM
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The difference is that the overwhelming majority of mixed-gender social settings have far more single men than single women. Social networks or lack thereof are far less correlative of men's dating outcomes than they are women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:44 PM
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But you can have the IG woman, it just costs more upfront money and less time. Lol, false. If you don't believe me, make a fake IG account of an average guy and try to slide in their DMs. Let me know how that goes for you. What the hell is lookism? Lookism is just the concept that better looking people have more privileges in society. It isn't necessarily limited to just dating, sex, and romance. As for the halo effect I've seen many men prefer the "ho vibes" woman over a "wifely woman" with a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:12 PM
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I have all the sympathy in the world for unattractive women. I do think they have it equally as hard if not more so than unattractive men. I would have a bit more sympathy for "struggling" average and above looking single women if they were actually putting their money where their mouth is when it comes to their supposed demisexuality most of them claim to have. What if I told you there was a way to meet and date men where the risk of being ghosted/used is minimal, the chances of these men being…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:28 PM
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It's just lookism + halo effect + wanting what you can't have. No gender is immune from these biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:48 PM
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Everyone does to an extent. High degrees of facial asymmetry are immediately recognizable. Most people just don't make the connection and jump to "ugly".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:38 PM
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The most common question a wife asks when she discovers her husband cheating is, "Do you love her?" The most common question a husband asks when he discovers his wife cheating is, "Did you fuck him?" Men's ability to have sex absent any emotional attachment probably plays a role in this, but I'd say more often is just the "sunk cost fallacy". Infidelity rates spike for both genders after seven years in a relationship and when approaching the next decade of age (29, 39, 49). With women the biolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:23 PM
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Most men who get rated as 5/10 on the truerateme sub. Ratings outside the 4-6 range are dubious due to scaling on a normal distribution bell curve, but they can spot average-ness pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:11 PM
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There are some people that just can't be helped. I'm sorry, but it is what it is. If he really wanted to change, he would. He just lacks the introspection and effort to do so. If you haven't done so already, establish a narrative with both the girls (and preferably the guys as well) in your friend group before cutting him off for good. He will probably try to spite you by going after your reputation and trying to claim you led him on but if he doesn't have many friends his words won't carry much…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:03 PM
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It still applies to monogamous and/or demisexual women that don't use the apps. Shrinking social circles, increasingly gender segregated friend groups, and infrequency at which women actually go out have reified Blackpill for even the more "grass-touching" singles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 04:43 PM
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What do you think is the actual % of women that would break up if they saw any inkling of weakness/vulnerability? 50%? 30%? 15%? Now ask yourself if you would jump out of a plane if your parachute had that same % chance of failing and when you also have the option to just wait until the plane lands.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 04:23 PM
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Do you want children?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:03 PM
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Yes, but probably not on dating apps. Make an effort to expand your social circles and you'll find one eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:17 PM
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I have never accused anyone of having delusionally high standards until I know what they are. Vetting is just getting to know someone at your leisure so you can find out if they are compatible with your needs and desires for a relationship. I.e. If you know that you'll feel used if you have sex and he leaves before a relationship is established, maybe don't have sex until he's committed. If guys are still leaving after securing that commitment, then 90% of the time there were warning signs you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:41 PM
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Now connect the dots between "you must be taking action every moment" (which I never said) to "actions speak louder than words".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:35 PM
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It's weird that you think that because you desire something, you must be taking action every moment. Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:26 PM
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Desiring something doesn't mean you're required to take action every single second of every day. Yes, because I think the overweight person should devote 100% of their time, mental, and emotional energy towards improving their situation. /s Quit the strawmanning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:01 PM
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The point of contention we have probably revolves around what "desire" really means. Can an overweight person desire to be a healthy weight despite not taking any action to improve their situation? I mean, technically yes. They may think it's a nice idea to look thin as they wait in the drive-thru line for their 6th fast food meal that week. Actions speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:48 PM
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Honestly, thank you. More people with a jaded mindset should be giving up, so I appreciate you selecting yourself out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:13 PM
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Is there an alternative option? If so I’m down for hearing it. Yeah: GIVE UP I'd honestly rather have the dating market be 1000X more competitive if it meant jaded people like yourself would self-select out and stop bringing their baggage to the dating experience. I'm sorry, but this is the same reaction I would have to an overweight person that claims they want to lose weight but keeps stuffing their face with fast food and lays on the couch all day. Actions speak louder than words. So you can …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:11 PM
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So being single is better use of time. So then they don't desire relationships anymore if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:30 AM
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Person gets hurt -> person gets jaded -> person segregates themself more and more from the opposite sex and/or puts up so many walls their chances of finding a partner go to zero. Tale as old as time. "B-b-but I would love to be in a relationship!" Uh huh, sure...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:16 AM
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Hopefully, you've given up on dating then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:57 AM
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I can acknowledge that various antiquated narratives still exist and negatively influence and affect women. If your argument is these narratives consciously or subconsciously shape what women are willing to put up and expected to behave, as well as how men treat women, then I would agree, but as it relates to pumping and dumping, I don't think these narratives hold much sway. Men who use women for sex do so simply because they can in order to satisfy a base instinct for sexual variety. Like I sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:36 PM
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Not inherent, no. In certain dark corners of the manosphere where bitter men are taught to think this way, certainly. If you spend enough time lurking in these spaces, I can see why someone would think there would be a widespread narrative for men to lie, manipulate, and take sex from women by any means necessary. But do you really think the bitter men posting on seduction/RP/PUA forums are the ones doing the majority of pump-and-dumps? I've met and known a lot of the men that leave behind a tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:07 PM
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If someone engages in sex under the expectation that they'll be in a relationship or are in a relationship, then that person has in fact been used. If those expectations have not been communicated and agreed upon by both parties, then they are not being used.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 04:16 PM
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Good behavior feels more objective (like boilerplate communication and basic-adulting qualities you'll find in any self-help book), desirability feels more subjective. A desirable partner could mean a guy with an avoidant attachment style using manipulation tactics to be more "desired" by a woman with an anxious attachment style. I don't want to model my relationships after that, but plenty of men still use it to their advantage to get a lot of sex from vulnerable women. Doesn't make the men exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 04:02 PM
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I do find it odd, however, that in this survey, only 36% of single women are exclusively looking for a committed relationship, while the other 64% would be okay with a casual dates (that probably involve sex outside the bounds of a relationship at some point). What is probably happening is that yes, the majority of all women do want exclusive committed relationships, but the majority of these women are already in relationships, leading to an over-representation of eligible single women that rate…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 06:28 PM
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Sex must be earned by being a desirable partner and if you keep pissing them off, you will stay an undesirable partner. Do you think sex should be viewed as a deserving reward for good behavior or being a desirable partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 06:10 PM
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Hypergamy under certain social and cultural contexts may have unintended consequences which cause bad outcomes, but it isn't necessarily a problem. When most guys complain about hypergamy, what they're really complaining about are the socio-cultural contexts that infect the hypergamous OS that is evolutionarily hard-coded into every woman's brain to guarantee the best chance of survival of her offspring (And FWIW, I think most of these complaints are overblown). There is nothing wrong or immoral…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:26 AM
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So the only women that matter are the hottest cheerleaders? All of the other women don't count because they weren't hot? No, it's just dating/romantic experience with women in general. I was definitely a league or two below the guys that were going out with the prettiest or most popular girls. I still dated and had interest from many average and slightly above average looking girls. Still helped my confidence and is one of the reasons I'm not completely doomer-pilled. Many of my less good-lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:39 PM
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The more options you have, the more likely you are to employ choice heuristics to narrow down your options. Oftentimes, those choice heuristics are shallow. Welcome to what it feels like being an average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:34 PM
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Clearly, they don't care about whether women like them. Ok, so they're like most hot women, got it. Tall men probably just have an abundance of options/abundance mentality. They can afford to be picky/superficial because there are a long list of girls lining up anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:31 PM
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Selection bias in action. I don't doubt women are being hit on the majority of the time by players, delusional losers, and creeps. Because that's what players, delusional losers, and creeps do. It doesn't take that many men doing this to lead to universal bad experiences with being hit on by men. https://youtu.be/C9ONWHXCsrk
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:59 PM
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I don't doubt it. That doesn't mean there aren't other tall guys out there that don't care about height. My point is there is a reason for many tall guys rejecting tall women. A lot of people still have traditional preferences in their head about what roles men and women are supposed to take. A larger height disparity makes many men feel more dominant and masculine, same as it makes women feel more feminine and submissive. They're probably more attracted to the energy shorter women give off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:49 PM
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I can honestly say after being around a lot of tall men that height doesn't even register as a disqualifying factor because they're already taller than 99% of women. Some dated women way shorter than them, others dated women a few inches shorter. It's more about your options as well as the enthusiasm and signaling you're getting from women. Shorter girls just try harder (in my experience) to obtain and keep the tall men. It's probably a combination of subconsciously directing more energy towards…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:37 PM
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I find men judge woman on their height just as woman judge man on their height We don't judge so much as assume height disparity preferences scale proportionately with a woman's height. Since most women prefer and end up with men 4-5+ inches taller than them, we assume you would only go for guys that are 6'2" and above. It only feels like guys are being shallow about height because you probably have an extremely limited pool of guys to choose from, and being 6'2" is pretty desirable for the vast…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:24 PM
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I've witnessed both men and women employ the mate switching (monkey branching) strategy. Almost every time the man tried it, he did so out of over-estimating his own value and options, which inevitably ended up with him crawling back and begging for a second chance. The last one I saw was an absolute trainwreck. Solid 8/10 Chad personal trainer (who was suspected by everyone in our friend group of having multiple side chicks) followed his ex to NYC and borderline stalked her. Yeah, she was heart…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:43 PM
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I'll save your comment and link to a TRM post with before and after pic in 6 months after I'm done with my surgeries. Then you can see for yourself, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:17 AM
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My gonial angle is 125 and the QOVES report I got said it was slightly feminine so that's what I was basing it off of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:02 AM
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I can't objectively rate women because I'm a heterosexual male lol. I think a lot of the women in the 5-6 range (which is most of the women posters on there) are pretty cute, so I'd just end up overrating them. Always been more into the "approachable attractive" type than the stunningly beautiful look.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:00 AM
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On a different account, yes. I don't rate women though out of principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:41 AM
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For men it's (I believe) 100-120 degrees. For women it's 125-145 degrees. Might be off a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:40 AM
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What about Michael B Jordan’s face screams feminine? How about Jason Mamoa? Henry Cavill? Brad Pitt? Chris Evans? Hemsworth? Idris Elba? The lost goes on Prominent cheekbones and/or neotenous facial fat distribution for most of them. Men on average have both lower set and flatter cheekbones. Prominent cheekbones are anatomically uncommon in men. High set prominent cheekbones are extremely rare in men and all of the highest paid male models have them (Francisco Lachowski and Sean O'Pry, for examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:39 AM
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A long midface is generally defined by a midface ratio below 1:1.1 Negative canthal tilt is when the lateral canthus sits below the horizontal line set by the medial canthus. They're not bad, they're just indicators of health and youthfulness. Both qualities men and women select for in the looks department when selecting mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:32 AM
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Based on conventional beauty standards. An attractive male face has to strike the right balance between masculine and feminine features as well as youthfulness and maturity. Whereas an attractive female face just has to be feminine and neotenous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:15 AM
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The body-type beauty "standards" have always existed in trends. I honestly don't know why women over-emphasize their importance as I've never witnessed men collectively shift their standards in lock step with whatever model happens to be on the cover of People magazine (which cater mainly to women consumers). Facial beauty standards have remained relatively constant over the past 50-60 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:12 AM
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Well, there's your answer. The fact that beauty and attractiveness are almost synonymous for women but aren't for men. Men's attractiveness, on the other hand, is much more multidimensional. Men may carry more angst because it is definitely harder for a man to be attractive to women than vice versa because you are weighing more factors beyond just plain beauty. His "path" is as real as a woman's, only longer and with more obstacles. Because they obsess over the view of other heterosexual men. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:51 PM
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Both, but it's also true. There was a TikTok circulating a while ago from a young woman complaining about the lack of attractive men. Plenty of women agree but tend to erroneously assume it doesn't go any deeper than personal grooming, rizz, and fashion choices. Anyone who has dipped their toes into the mixed-gender looksmaxxing or predominantly male Blackpill spaces have seen it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:00 PM
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It's not casual misandry to point out that, on average, there are more attractive women than attractive men. Different beauty standards, different rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:55 PM
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I got really lucky and have a very outgoing best friend from high school with a fiance that is starting to build up and expand a mixed gender friend group in the part of my city that has a lot of young single women. If it weren't for him, I'd probably be pretty doomer-pilled. It's not really a niche-group per se, mostly just other older zoomers that work in a variety of different industries with different interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:23 PM
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It always shows when they see another woman who is ‘taken care of’. 100%. Also doesn't help that social media exposes more women to couples where the woman gets the princess treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 05:26 AM
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Women are increasingly relying on online mediums where looks are the only honest signal that can be communicated -> Women use looks as a choice heuristic to narrow down options -> Looks certainly are everything
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:27 AM
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A small minority of women insist a man be ridiculously tall. I agree, its a very small but loud minority of women. But there does seem to be a stricter height cutoff beyond which I don't blame Gen Z men for giving up. Every Gen Z guy I know below 5'7" is single and struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 03:17 AM
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Thank you for at least keeping an open mind and wondering if things really are different. A lot of the older coupled millennials on here want to kick and scream, and claim nothing has changed despite being off the market for over a decade. But to answer your question, yes. There aren't even that many real-life spaces to find single women after college, so most men are pigeon-holed into OLD because it is the only space left where you are guaranteed to find them. Every bar, club, festival, and hob…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 12:32 AM
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Oh no, it's almost as if women aren't paragons of moral virtue and can be manipulative, overly neurotic, and narcissistic!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:10 PM
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Yeah, like this guy clearly doesn't care about his wife's feelings and complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:56 PM
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Ah, so it must be all men, got it. Touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:23 AM
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So what? Do you think we care? When I saw those pics, all I thought to myself was, "Damn, makeup can really make a difference in the right hands" then moved on with my day like most did. What's your point? Stop fishing for rage-bait and using that as an excuse to paint with a broad brush.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:13 AM
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🙄 what a widespread, totally not niche behavior you've pointed out. And its not that different than candid photos of woman celebrities without makeup featured on magazines purchased primarily by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:02 AM
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Already dropped to 0/10 when she mentioned BPD. Should stand for Bad Person Disorder. Not even once.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:54 AM
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The men who catcalled me badly or followed me or were actually creepy were almost always men 40 years older or homeless men with no shoes. I confirmed that this is a generational thing when one of my platonic female friends was complaining about being hit on on the train. I asked, "It's always the older men, isn't it?" And every mid-20s woman in earshot enthusiastically agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:01 PM
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Polygyny doesn't invalidate aquirement of resources or having the best mate, hes still yours, hes just going to fuck other girls It absolutely casts doubt on the acquirement of future resources for her and her offspring. That is what matters because, as you admitted, men often do leave to trade up or satiate their desire for sexual variety. There is absolutely no guarantee he will remain her's forever and just jump to the next piece of ass that get's thrown his way. And assuming children are inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:06 AM
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All girls think they are 10's/high value, deserve the best or they'll go strong and indepedent (not settle for low value men) Uh, no they don't. Maybe the delusional, freezer temperature IQ Miami girls Myron has to bring on to make him look smarter are that delusional but not true for a huge portion of women. Women's primary evolutionary mating strategy revolves around finding the best mate that can provide the most resources and genes to her offspring to guarantee their survival, correct? So wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:34 AM
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Ok, since you won't pick one, I will: Can you explain the "truth and logic" behind one-sided open relationships Myron advocates for?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:09 AM
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If you have a good reason to ghost, which it seems you did, I don't see any reason to question it. I was referring to instances of ghosting absent any red or yellow flags because of bad past experiences and if bad past experiences negates the immorality (or rudeness if you don't think it crosses the line into immoral territory) of ghosting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:08 AM
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I'm listening to the audiobook version of Why Men Behave Badly by David Buss and he theorizes that mate pairings where a man perceives the woman as higher value than him are more likely to result in abuse or hits to her self-esteem because if he can convince the woman she is "at his level" or below, she is less likely to mate switch to a better partner in the future. So basically, it is a "mate retention strategy". Cruel yes, but also effective in many instances because abuse can be quite the mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:02 AM
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Ok, name a talking point/argument he gives and explain his "truth and logic" behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:41 AM
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Another point is that certain mental issues can lead to a messier dating life both for men and women, so maybe they happen to have more situationships or casual encounters while more stable people...don't. But it's pure speculation, of course. That's not pure speculation. What you're describing is an obvious fact of selection bias. The reason why single men have to deal with a surplus of women with personality disorders, mental health problems, and attachment issues is because they keep getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:38 AM
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There is very little truth or logic to any of what Myron says.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 01:24 AM
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Replace immoral with rude, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 01:23 AM
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I didn't really have grilling partners about finances, children etc in mind. What did you have in mind then?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:25 AM
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I wouldn't even consider that ghosting. More along the lines of fading.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:48 PM
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Is it more rude for a man to do it to a woman than vice versa due to safety concerns?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:39 PM
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I know it's true. So after your few date threshold, would a woman ghosting a man be considered immoral if he wasn't showing any red flags?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:06 PM
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My question applies specifically to "blanket ghosting", or ghosting where the man has provided no prior warning signs that he will react negatively to a rejection. He just presents a risk by simply being a man. Because frequently you'll get responses on these threads about otherwise polite men with no red flags turning nasty after a rejection to justify blanket ghosting in all circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:37 PM
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I think we might be talking past each other. My comment and this post specifically revolves around escalation in the early stages of the relationship. The courtship phase, if you will. Even most women over the age of 30 are not going to give a man a roadmap to how they want to be courted. If you reduce the compatability/chemistry problem to just finances, children, gender roles, household chore division (the essentials, basically), congrats, you've now turned a date into a job interview. There a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:29 PM
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Clear communication defeats the "cerebral-ness" of the tests women typically put forward to gauge chemistry and compatability. Here's why: If you tell a guy straight up what you're looking for, you've essentially told an almost complete stranger the questions to the "test" that is sussing out the potential boyfriend. So I believe it's a hard ask for women to be up-front because, as we all know, men can be deceptive too, and some men are going to take advantage of this cheat sheet you've just pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:50 PM
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That's puzzling to me. If a guy is continuing to schedule dates and showing consistent communication but hasn't yet escalated for a kiss, then logically it means he's still interested but probably nervous. Possibly an unconscious evolved response to filtering out unconfident men since you're far from the first woman who's said this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:35 PM
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(Also, why is, for example, having a nice face presented as so incredibly hard for men yet for women it's no big deal to just reshuffle their genetics?) Makeup and less narrow definitions of conventional beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:24 PM
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I've seen women use those exact same criteria for quality men and I don't consider them high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:03 PM
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Plus, if someone is "high value" enough, why would they worry about that imbalance? If they're that high value, they would be better than most people, and it's very normal to have that imbalance with people naturally. They won't have to go out and seek it, it would happen naturally with most relationships. Very few people would be able to poach "mates" from them because they're already top of the pack. That's kinda the point. Men are far less likely to mate poach if they perceive the boyfriend/h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:41 PM
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while guys that I thought were higher "level" didn't. Or they might've known and liked the inherent imbalanced dynamic. There is a substantially reduced threat of mate poaching and general enthusiasm women bring to a relationship when they think the guy is higher value than them. A lot of guys, including myself, know this and desire that imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:01 PM
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Have you seen any guy say that? 🙋‍♂️ That's me. Would rather have good sex than awkward sex with a likely inexperienced partner. I still have a body count limit that would raise an orange flag, but that's because of correlating personality disorders and trauma that would make them bad partners in the first place, not because the amount of different dicks inside her somehow made her unclean or polluted. So probably the same way women view high n-count men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:48 PM
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Do you think in men in relationships with active social lives are struggling with dating and social isolation? If they're in relationships, why would they be struggling with dating? Lol There are many men not in relationships with active social lives that are struggling, 100%. I know plenty of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:31 PM
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its men who think women treat male friends different when in fact, they treat em like one of the girls Uh... that's not true, though, unless you're the gay bestie. I have several platonic female friends. I see them maybe 5-6 times a year whereas I see my male friends maybe every other weekend. I also follow them on Instagram so I know by watching their stories how often they go out and with who. And nearly all of the time, it's brunch with the girlfriends or girls night out. Now, is there anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:59 PM
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I did, yeah. Even back in high school, I knew it came down to raw physical attraction and status (i.e. what instrument/sport you played, what clubs you were in, and how you were perceived in those spaces). But I also disagree with the idea that simply succeeding with girls meant you had poor moral character. Most of the guys who succeeded were nice and fun to be around, not the stereotypical bully straight out of a 90's coming-of-age high school movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:04 AM
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Too bad there aren't too many men out there that do Rick and Morty impressions /s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:54 PM
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If true, that's pretty heartbreaking. Shit home environment probably led to her lacking any vetting skills or proper sex education. That dude will get royally shafted if he decides to ghost once the state comes after him for child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:52 PM
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Women? Yes, all the time. Single women? Rarely and usually in groups that are exclusively for other women. Only speaking for my city.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:11 PM
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That just sounds like a massively jaded man who doesn't believe in love or the benefits of companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:44 PM
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I don't see this very often but if you have an example comment in mind that conveys this feeling, feel free to DM me the or ping them because I'd like to know where they're coming from. I do see frustration and anger but usually it's a bit deeper and more complicated than just "I have a job, therefore I deserve a woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:32 PM
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The second one almost feels like a deliberate obfuscation since it's not really a binary of net positive vs net negative. I don't think women approach mate selection from the simple standpoint of "he meets the minimum baseline for being a net-positive. He'll have to do". Obviously there is a minimum threshold of being a net-positive that men have to pass and this is going to vary a lot depending on the woman. I do see a lot of men complaining/lamenting they fall short of the threshold to be cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:15 PM
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75% is pretty high. How do you know it's coming from a place of entitlement and not just lamenting the cards they were dealt in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:00 PM
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Go ahead and ping em. I'm curious to know what basement they've been locked in for the past 30 years to come to such a conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 10:52 PM
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Well, at least you're honest. It doesn't make me mad as much as it makes me confused. In your opinion, what % of single straight men, consciously or unconsciously, actually believe that them having a job and a pulse should be enough to secure a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 10:43 PM
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To the people who comment or upvote truisms such as: "women make their own money now" "men are liabilities and need to actually add value to women's lives now" "men are actually competing for women's peace and stability" What response are you hoping to get?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 10:32 PM
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The evidence is often misinterpreted and/or conclusions dubious in the majority of "evidence" that is presented.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 10:24 PM
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I'm guessing passport bro
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:12 PM
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Paternal grandparents were very much in love and married for over 60 years before she was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. He visited her and read to her every day even after she entered the non-verbal, "brain mush" late stage of the disease. He died about five years later due to old age. Maternal grandparents divorced before I was born in the 1960s when my grandpa showed signs of being abusive. My grandma actually did quite well for herself post divorce, even back in the days where women were suppos…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 09:05 PM
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All else being equal in today's society, I think it would have a negligible effect. Women would just weigh status and money more heavily in mate selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 09:02 PM
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Cosmetic surgery will only get you so far. It's very dependent on the individual and their maximum "aesthetic potential". Take it from somebody who's had work done and plans to get more done. It definitely isn't for everyone. Social-maxxing and personality-maxxing need to be done alongside cosmetic improvements to have any measureable changes in success. And I don't think we'll ever get to the point where cosmetic surgery can make an average person a 10/10, as there are underlying deficiencies w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 08:55 PM
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If a guy knows a girl is really into him, it makes him less nervous, and communication flows a lot easier between the two. Since he's more at ease with himself, she also gets a better understanding of who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 08:49 PM
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Not necessarily, no. Those are all examples of the power dynamic being exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 08:39 PM
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It's funny that you bring this study up to make a point that online dating doesn't work, when this study literally says 39% of heterosexual COUPLES met online. Survivorship bias
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 06:17 PM
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Every relationship at the beginning is a bid for power. Who is invested more? Who can more easily walk away? Who does each partner perceive as more replaceable? Who does each partner perceive as higher value? Everything is easier for the guy, at least in the beginning, the more these balances are tipped in his favor (and the gender reversed scenario doesn't really happen because of hypergamy). The effects can range from being simped over, which feels nice, to the woman laying her cards on the ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 07:41 AM
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It's a bit of a complicated power dynamic that many men, including myself, are more comfortable with. And just because that power dynamic exists does not necessarily mean it is being exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 06:07 AM
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since the 1970s Learn how to read
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 04:25 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_legal_rights_in_the_United_States_(other_than_voting) I don't see where that falls in this timeline, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 04:23 AM
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socially made just gave women more options I assume you mean social media. And how do more options influence mate selection?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:04 AM
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Still doesn’t explain why we didn't see a downward trend in marriage rates and an upward trend in sexlessness from the 1980s and onward (until 2008-2012) as women accumulated more and more financial freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:02 AM
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1970s
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:54 AM
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So the rule that men had to be likeable and attractive to women just appeared spontaneously and coincidentally around the same time social media started becoming a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:07 AM
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In the 70s women literally made half as much as men. Mainly due to life choices. Men still had to be likeable and attractive to women, and women weren't so dumb as to partner up with a poor quality man just to be in a better financial position.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:05 AM
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Women have been able to provide for themselves since the 1970s, at least here in the U.S. This is not a new phenomenon. If financial freedom was indeed the cause, then we would've seen a massive rise in the uptick of single or sexless men in the decades following. Except that didn't happen. The sexlessness and marriage rates were remarkably stable until around 2008 to 2012.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:51 AM
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Is the standard instant visceral attraction from a large number of women? Because if so, then about 90-95% will fail because it mostly boils down to facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 06:42 PM
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If you're not touching grass and spend most of your time on reddit, it's easy to get the opposite impression. All the dating subs have women that frequently complain about men being too pushy, sending dick pics, etc. Check their profiles and they're almost all 35+ women with some form of neurodivergence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 06:29 PM
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What David Buss is saying that the "mate switching hypothesis" provides better explanations for how women choose partners and why women cheat than the "good genes hypothesis" aka dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:58 PM
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Ok, so the main reason is... immaturity. Makes sense. I don't see how that contradicts any of what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 05:25 AM
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The epitome of an AlphaBucks-man is an ideal. But to me, AlphaBucks as a strategy just means that women analyze potential partners holistically (i.e. taking into account both physical attractiveness and provider traits) and will choose a singular partner that gets as close to that ideal as they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 05:21 AM
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Isn't that kind of disingenious? It can be if the in-group person is misrepresenting the narrative. Which they usually do. So usually, yes. It also allows people to act the worst they can but spin the narrative to something that puts them in a positive light. True. Would basically result in an emphasis of attractiveness instead of morals. Not necessarily, it depends on the person. A lot of women do learn from their mistakes and choose better long-term partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 05:16 AM
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We need to define our terms. The dual mating strategy hypothesis (or what the manosphere calls AF/BB) in its original coinage meant the cuckolding of a long-term provider partner to secure the genes of the more genetically attractive mate. This doesn't track with reality for several reasons. First, it imposes extreme risks upon the woman's reputation. Second (according to the paper I linked), 79% of women who had affairs reported being in love with their affair partners: If the primary function …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:58 AM
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I don't see why a man, or even a woman in the same scenario, should have to sacrifice their mental health just to save face. Rejection is personal, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are acting out of animosity if they don't want to continue being around someone who rejected them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:29 AM
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PDF Source: The mate switching hypothesis by David Buss Et al. It's under section 6: Comparing the mate switching hypothesis with the good genes hypothesis and other competing hypotheses for explaining why women have affairs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:18 AM
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The psychologist (not affiliated with the manosphere btw) who proposed the theory of a dual-mating strategy with women recently came out and said he found little evidence for it upon further surveys and studies of mate preferences in women. I'll try to find the study and edit my comment with sources when I find it. What he instead found should surprise absolutely no one: The vast majority of women do not dichotomize potential romantic and sexual partners into "rich beta schlubs" or "poor hot alp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:17 AM
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Wanting to be single and wanting another guy (or guys) are not mutually exclusive. Ex-GF of a mutual friend broke up for many of the same reasons OP listed. I have no reason to believe she was lying and even the women in our group don't blame the dude for the relationship ending. She just wanted to be single and felt like a relationship was weighing her down. She then went on a month long trip to Italy and returned with many stories of hooking up with several local men (thankfully the ex-boyfrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 11:39 PM
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That’s why men should make platonic female friends and fucking stop with the friendzone shit. I agree, but from what I gather, most men seem incapable of having platonic female friends due to a scarcity mindset and poor socialization. You really need frequent interactions with women early on in your life combined with a little positive reinforcement of your attractiveness. I was lucky because I did drama throughout high school. Even though I wasn't the most popular or in demand guy at my school,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:35 PM
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Preaching to the converted. Still, I do still think it is substantially harder for guys to integrate themselves into new social circles, mainly because we are known for being more socially awkward and aggressive. Because women are more skittish, people are usually more hesitant about inviting unknown guys into the group. If there are too many guys, it feels like an unwelcome environment and women stop showing up, regardless if any unwelcome or creepy behavior is taking place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:09 PM
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Comparison is inevitable once a guy she wants or is dating enters the picture. This is the real reason. It's an insecurity but entirely rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 09:59 PM
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What you call an advantage is now viewed as a disadvantage. Dating within social circle = risks for both parties Dating outside social circle = risk only to the "outsider" member. When the outside member is de facto "excommunicated", the in-group member gets full control of the narrative for why the relationship ended and at no cost to said reputation of the in-group member. In-group reputation is no longer the "silver bullet" to keep a guy in line; the threat of being dropped and replaced in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 08:07 PM
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It's literally just the difference between androgen dominance vs estrogen dominance. I believe it's just androgen dominance. Even women have much higher testosterone concentrations than they do estrogen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:28 PM
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I explained it to him like for men it seems like the engine is always running as backup and influences how you view the world, and for women sometimes it cna be kind of disconnected and you need to really start up the engine and get er going before you can ride the bike This is a mostly accurate representation of the male brain, and a lot of it has to do with the effects of testosterone. There is evidence to suggest testosterone has a "decoupling" effect on neuron signaling between the amygdala …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:24 PM
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The disadvantage, as you said, is that you get 1, max 2 chances within a social group at a relationship, after that you get a bad reputation. This is the real reason. Gen Z is very risk-averse, especially when it comes to social situations and awkwardness. This is, of course, anecdata, but I have an expanding mixed gender social group made up mostly of older Gen Z men and women and an unspoken rule is that you don't date within the group. Both the men and women talk amongst themselves about thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:05 PM
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Unironically, this is how it should work in real life and how it worked for me in high school. High school dating and relationships were substantially easier because I had a wide social circle of girls who would clue me in if another girl was into me. The reason it doesn't happen as much when you get older is because social groups get substantially smaller, more fragmented, and gender segregated as the serially monogamous people start settling down and focusing on relationships. These people are…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:54 PM
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This back and forth is the epitome of the inter-gender "fuck-you"ism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 03:54 PM
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I think dating within friend groups is becoming less common and there is some evidence to back this up. Another user here made the comparison that if dating a coworker is a 10 on the "don't shit where you eat" scale, dating a friend or mutual friend is like a 6 or 7. Anecdata, but I have a friend group with a few single women and it's not the golden ticket out of singledom like a lot people think it is, at least not anymore. Social circles are perceived to be a lot more fragile in the post-colle…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 03:10 PM
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Yes, becoming. I'm aware and agree the gay community has long had issues with promiscuity. Enclaves and communities still allowed gay men to meet and date seriously if they wanted to. The atomization and rise of hookup apps like Grindr have made it harder to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:27 PM
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A majority of gay men still desire relationships. The shallowness of gay hookup culture is becoming a major problem in the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:38 PM
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The reason men don't go after tall women has nothing to do with masculinity; it's because of perceived chance of success. In almost all heterosexual couples, the man is taller than the woman. Men see this and don't even try with women taller than them because they know any attempt at romance will be futile.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:09 PM
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People need to use their fucking brains. Lets say standards are increasing for men and more women are looking for men not only better looking/earning but also more socially or emotionally calibrated. That means an ever smaller pool of men to choose from. Past a certain point, women's standards counterintuitively lead to more dissatisfaction & less bargaining power in demanding the type of relationships they want. The proliferation of hookup culture on college campuses with high female:male ratio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:55 PM
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It's largely the boomer's fault for the situation we're in. Buying a house when they were dirt cheap then lobbying local governments to oppose any new construction and densification so they can sell their overpriced homes and enjoy a comfortable retirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:31 PM
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I don’t know what exactly you mean when you say dating. The first operative definition you gave. In other words, you are going on dates to determine if the person is compatible and want to keep seeing them. There may or may not be sex depending on the girl, but there has definitely not been any conversation regarding exclusivity and cohabitation. Under this definition, would you not agree the dating process is comparable to a loan application and all the vetting that entails?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 12:44 AM
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Dating is much more than running a background check (You actually don't even need to analogize the background check since that's something a lot of women already do when first seeing a guy). It's much more akin to a comprehensive application process. Or do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:17 PM
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An average woman always has something to give to the guy, a guy on her level doesn’t always have anything to reciprocate. You can argue till blood runs down your throat and I’ll shred you completely if you so choose, because this is exactly what we see men act out when they complain they can’t even get an average woman. I mean, that's what dating is for, right? To see if there is any reciprocal value. Isn't this analogous to how banks treat loan applicants? The bank has something the applicant w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:56 PM
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I don't know what study you're referring to in the OP but male hormonal birth control isn't feasible. Men's fertility operates in a completely different way from women's. Women's fertility is decided by the relative levels of 4 main hormones (LH, FSH, progesterone, and estrogen) to release the egg from the ovaries and prepare the uterus for implantation. Men's fertility is happening 24/7 and is only decided by one hormone: testosterone. Testosterone is an order of magnitude higher than all 4 sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:23 PM
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What's the cut off from going from a lower libido partner to an LL? For me, the cutoff would be a desire for sex less than or equal to once a month which does not include a decrease in sex drive caused by temporary trauma, stress, loss of attraction for the partner, or health problems such as pregnancy. But she is not a terrible partner, I think that's pretty rude. The reason why you think it's rude is because you're assuming it's a character judgment. It is not. It is an incompatibility. Childf…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:41 PM
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Why would a low libido woman make a terrible partner? They would make terrible partners for the overwhelming majority of men, because, as I've already said, they lead to dead-bedrooms, which are miserable. I'd put money on the fact that over 95% of men would not be ok being in a sexless relationship or marriage. Plus statistically most woman are lower libido than their male partners so does that make most women terrible partners? Just because you have relatively lower libido compared to your par…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:25 PM
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There is rarely any "intentionality" when it comes to the latter two groups. They have women come to them and their looks alone allow them opportunities to either: A. date and hookup with the minority of women who rate high on socio-sexuality spectrum. These women don't care if they're relegated to the fuckbin and probably also have other guys in their rotation as well. B. date and hookup with women who don't yet know what they want or how to advocate for themselves, so they just accept situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:16 PM
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Withholding sex solely to get respect from male suitors is really just enabling and reinforcing the Madonna-Whore complex women claim to hate. By all means, wait for sex if you want to, but do it for the right reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:33 PM
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Asexuals/low-libido women would make terrible partners for most men anyway, leading to dead-bedroom situations. I personally see it as a huge plus if asexual women are voluntarily removing themselves from the dating market and, by extension, the gene pool. Better no relationship for a man than a sexless relationshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:23 PM
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What’s the motivation? Hedonism and sexual variety Do these men turn around and want a sweet bride? Most do, some don't. There's generally 3 main archetypes: First, there are the late-bloomers. They will try to keep casual dating and cultivating soft harems until their early to mid 30s. I dislike them intensely, but Fresh & Fit have the "candy store analogy" that I think is fitting for this particular subgroup of men. This sub-group probably has the highest buy-in to manosphere ideas. Then, ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:41 PM
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A direct result of the hyper-consumerist, hyper-individualist, hyper-materialist, hyper-culture war obsessed society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 06:19 PM
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and of course my own fault At least he admits some responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 06:10 PM
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There was also a genetic study released that showed less than 40% of men historically were ever given the opportunity to procreate while 80% of women historically have procreated. This would tend to prove only the top percentile of men are having sex in a regular basis and with multiple women. Which study? The one I see that keeps being referenced says there was a genetic bottleneck in the Y-chromosome at a specific point in pre-history, not all throughout human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 06:07 PM
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What I hear more of around these parts is that since looks do not inherently determine whether or not a guy is hateful, might as well fuck around with a hottie because being mistreated by a hottie is better than being mistreated by an uggo.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 04:52 AM
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I wish I had more guy friends that just wanted me strictly as a friend lol. Why though? Seriously, what can a guy friend offer you that a female friend can't? I have strictly platonic female friends and I only see them maybe 4 or 5 times a year. Why bother if >90% of your "friend time" is just going to be exclusively with other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 11:48 PM
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Because if you are having to go out of your way to go somewhere you don’t usually go to meet women it’s probably not the sort of women you are compatible with long term, so you are probably looking for sex. Late-blooming/introverted/"healing from trauma" women will do this when they finally decide they want to date men. You wouldn't accuse them of the default "only looking for sex" would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:18 PM
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The strong correlation is itself an orange flag. I think women could sympathize more with this if instead of "sleeping with a lot of men makes you damaged", it's instead framed as "being damaged probably means you've slept with a lot of men". And FWIW, I have a much higher limit for what is considered "high" compared to a lot of these men. I laughed when a guy said an n-count of 7 makes her a slut. No, not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:08 PM
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Oppression Olympics, here's your gold medal 🏅
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 04:56 AM
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Vasalgel is coming to market in the near future. Currently wrapping up human trials in Australia.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 08:01 PM
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This one highly desirable man’s existence has caused more drama than I can list here, Go on... 🍵
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 05:59 PM
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Incel factory lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:36 PM
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Not a troll statement at all, although the mods will probably disagree and flag it for incel content. I am a guy too, btw, and raising a male child gives me similar levels of anxiety (although not to the same extreme) as raising a child with a severe mental disability.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 06:34 AM
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However, don’t be fooled as the comparison isn’t fair. I think that because cosmetic enhancements and makeup are so common now, that is the reason why they’re more attractive. I barely see good looking guys, but good looking women are everywhere. I think it goes beyond cosmetic enhancements and makeup. Dimorphic conventional beauty standards give women a huge edge over men as well. https://youtu.be/0xhXDAEsIzo
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 11:26 PM
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And I agree with everything you just wrote. If these psychology articles had incorporated a bit of this nuance into the supposed mating crisis, I wouldn't have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:58 PM
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I don't disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:55 PM
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what solution would help make this better? The short term solution would be for men to stop bitching and do everything they can to improve their looks. Gym, style, interesting hobbies, all your classic self-improvement advice you see on here daily, and maybe even a little plastic surgery if they can afford it. This is the only solution in the present day if a guy still seeks relationships with women. The well has already been poisoned, so might as well stop complaining. I agree that there is usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:54 PM
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Yes, some of them may be attractive enough. But does the fact that they are attractive enough and still not encountering success necessarily mean this is due to a lack of social and emotional intelligence on their part?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:22 PM
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Because most people already know that. My gripe isn't what TotalTravesty said, it's the absolute brainless psychology articles that get repeated like gospel truth when all they're doing is reducing men's dating struggles to a lack of emotional intelligence. It’s almost like men want to force women to date men they aren’t attracted to which doesn’t make since because that would just waste the time and money of both parties on the date. Barely anyone is saying this. I'm certainly not. You are allo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:15 PM
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Yeah, of course, but that's not addressing the point of the post. If a guy can get dates and surface level interest from women and still consistently fails, then he is probably lacking some social and emotional intelligence. If a guy cannot get dates and surface level interest from women (which is most men, tbh), social and emotional intelligence are non-factors in his lack of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 05:02 PM
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I would extend the term "youths" to the 22-29 age range. Maybe young adults would be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:01 PM
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Realistically, you can't ultimately force women (or men) to do something they don't want to, but in my ideal world, there would be some forced, mixed-gender community service for young single youths every Sunday morning (religious and disability exemptions apply). It's just frustrating to hear so many women bitch about a problem that is completely within their power to solve. I don't like dating apps. I really have to get to know someone on a personal level before I'm attracted to them. Ok, so t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:24 PM
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Women not putting themselves out there. You can expect the collective social intelligence of men to decline as long as single women keep sequestering themselves away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:59 PM
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History does not evolve in stages. What most people associate with late or end stage capitalism have barely anything to do with capitalism at all. Capitalism will be here to stay. Women should do whatever the fuck they want to do. Cultures that promote having more children will pick up the slack until things balance out. An unintended consequence of more left-leaning liberal women not starting families is a shift in the political balance towards the traditional right over a longer period of time…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:20 AM
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Because there will be extremely hard challenges on the horizon. Cost of living will rise. Labor shortages will become chronic. Consumption will fall, which is usually associated with recessions/depressions. Tax revenues fall due to less taxpayers. Social welfare programs will have a harder time functioning as less people are paying into the system and more people are beneficiaries as the population pyramids become inverted. If you know where the problems are going to be, you advocate for policy …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:03 AM
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And you can simultaneously acknowledge these are facts and not advocate for force-breeding women à la The Handmaid's Tale. There's always one in every thread that has to jump to this conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 11:34 PM
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I saw Dune in an IMAX theater while on shrooms. Just as Frank Herbert would have wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 10:41 PM
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That scene where Kim Wexler walks back into Wachtell's office like a boss and tells him he was being an idiot for not following her counsel on the Acker case was just 🤌. https://youtu.be/x2HOhg7qldQ Made me develop a celebrity crush for Rhea Seehorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 10:02 PM
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I was going to reply check for the Adam's apple, and then I saw your flair. Happy hunting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 09:55 PM
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Genuine question why aren’t you talking to them? The way you’re describing your efforts it comes off as a wait and see strategy. You go out to meets and you wait, no one there ok give up! You use apps, no one there ok give up! But your daily interactions with men and women are you not expressing your personality and who you are? What about when you were in high school? College? What was displayed there? I would like to jump in (if you'll allow me) and answer these same questions because I am in …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:43 PM
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In journalism, this is called the Woozle Effect (named after a Winnie the Pooh story where Pooh and Piglet are trying to track a mysterious creature known as the "woozle", only to discover they're following their own footsteps): According to Donald G. Dutton, a woozle effect, or a woozle, occurs when frequent citation of previous publications that lack evidence misleads individuals, groups and the public into thinking or believing there is evidence, and non-facts become urban myths and factoids.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:49 PM
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They're resentful towards all women because they feel entitled to sexual acces to the women that they want whenever they want. What is your "litmus test" for entitlement? Is a woman, for example, entitled because she feels frustrated because she couldn't find a man at 35 and wants kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:18 PM
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It's a significant disadvantage, so kinda.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 06:06 PM
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Most of normal society knows that your 20s is an important time in your life to try things and figure out what kind of person you are. Do you really think socializing isn’t a large part of how you do that? Of course it is, but an aspect of that is dating. You find out a lot about yourself and what type of person you're into by dating. The problem is it becomes like the "job experience catch-22" for a sizeable portion of men. If women are dating up in age and lifestyle progression, then that excl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:49 PM
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That's good, I'm happy for you. My 26 year old friend just proposed to a 30 year old woman and I consider them both lucky. His stepbrother is around the same age and in a LTR with a woman who is 31. It happens, but it is rare. 22 years is a long time to be out of the game, though. Much has changed for the worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:31 PM
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It is the internet combined with the fact that the most frustrated are more likely to be vocal about it. Talking points aren't necessarily an endorsement of an ideology. They sound like talking points because diagnoses have elements of truth to them (even when the downstream prescriptions are way off).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:27 PM
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And I know a League of Legends player that has good hygiene.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:22 PM
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It's not the end of the world for most guys. Most unsuccessful men don't devolve into adopting totalizing ideologies about gender, sex, and dating. And if they do, they usually outgrow it in a few years at most. Most of these guys are in the same boat you were in; they're sad, they may feel resentment that isn't necessarily directed entirely at women and more to their individual life circumstances. As a black woman, I'm told simply cause of my skin color I'm the least desired. I've seen uglier w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:05 PM
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Everything is women's fault. Do you talk to a lot of men that say this or is that just the impression you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:55 PM
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This is the same conclusion I arrived at and the same conclusion I hope the guy in the video arrives at. You can't change systems/societies. You can't negotiate attraction. You can't change human nature. The only thing you have any agency to change is yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:04 AM
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Zero-sum on a macro/market scale. One woman getting into a relationship means one less woman who is in the singles market.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:40 AM
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Lol at sex drive being a deciding factor for success. You can't be serious, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:38 AM
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They're internalizing an internet ideology that leads them to view women as obstacles to their own happiness that need to be stepped on. That's never going to be able to result in anything but resentment. How does looksmaxxing promote viewing women as obstacles to their own happiness that need to be stepped on?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:37 AM
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That's just a lack of experience manifesting as creepiness/awkwardness. Ugly people don't get a lot of experience and positive reinforcement, so they are more likely to come off that way. I suppose it's because of an entitlement mentality and a view that women are something to "get" rather than human beings. If it were really as simple as just "seeing women as human beings", you'd think a lot less men would be struggling, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:58 AM
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He's also 5'6" and has alopecia areata.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:18 AM
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Pretty much all relationships are established with mutual consent. Since monogamous relationships are a zero-sum game, the 29 yo man in a relationship 22 yo woman is as much to blame for increasing the bar for 22 yo men as she is. No one forced him to get in that relationship. He chose (and probably persued) that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:17 AM
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How can you not be resentful to a degree, when as a man you are only respected and valued when you put in effort and time in yourself and have quantifiable life accomplishments, whereas women are told that they deserve things just cause? Because the vast majority of women's privileges in dating stem directly from men's desires and preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:56 AM
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The men here are pretty diverse. The main reason people think RPers and Blackpillers have taken over the sub is because they provide the most controversial/edgy takes which drive more engagements and responses. And if single men are going out looking to be Andrew Tate or the Fresh and Fit dudes, it will probably go very poorly for them indeed I agree. My post is explaining (in part) the precursor situation that leads men to maladaptive strategies, role models, and ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:22 PM
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Forbidden fruit, I guess. Casual sex can still be extremely validating in the short term because the women willing to do it are in short supply. The women know this, so they are therefore only choosing to do it with a small % of men they deem the hottest. So to "get picked" feels nice because that market is even more competitive than relationships. But what made me understand was being friends with a himbo. The only thing he could get was casual sex because he had the personality of a potato. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 10:44 PM
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I'll say that I've been friends with many "Chads" (like your boyfriend) over the course of my life. Most of them got their man-hoe phase over with pretty early before realizing they wanted something deeper and more intimate. When you get a certain level of pussy thrown at you on a daily basis, you eventually start to de-pedestalize casual sex with a variety of partners. There are a few exceptions of course but most are settling down with their similarly hot wives and having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 09:58 PM
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So in the modern day, we get a situation where men aren't encouraged to focus on their looks to nearly the same degree that women are, which is why a lot of men are poorly groomed and poorly dressed. Men's looks are more genetically deterministic and less flexible when compared to women's conventional beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 09:41 PM
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I agree. And women gaining the right to choose their partners is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:30 AM
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Better than what we have now. Like it or not, men and women are operating with major trust deficits towards each other. The threat of social ostracization for bad behavior seems like a good step forward to rebuilding some of that trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 02:32 AM
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Explains why Bridgerton and other Regency Era romances are popular with women. They provide an environment where the slow building of sexual and romantic tension are necessitated, while providing a patriarchal backdrop to inject feminist critiques about women's freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 02:28 AM
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Never been to that sub. If I'm wrong, explain how I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:31 AM
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I don't think I'm being nitpicky. They are different skillets albeit with some overlap. I also wouldn't consider a man that gets consistently friendzoned to be "a good dater". Usually that is a result of failing to escalate properly and/or not flirting well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:30 AM
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Things I would classify dating skills: Flirting Being attractive Having hobbies, interests, and an active social life Escalating at the right time Not being creepy Knowing how to put together a solid dating profile assuming you decide to online date Things I would classify as relationship skills: Being financially and emotionally stable Being reliable Being emotionally intelligent Having basic adulting skills (i.e. knowing how to cook and clean and not expecting your SO to be your mom) Consisten…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:47 PM
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Regarding social skills, despite women probably being on average more competent at it, the bar is still higher for men. The majority of the effort still falls on men as the proactive gender to initiate and escalate due to gender roles that aren't going anywhere, which takes skill and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 08:45 PM
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So where are they meeting women? And how often do they take the time to SPEAK to those women and get to know them? A better question would be: How often do single women put themselves in positions where these interactions are likely? In my experience, not very often.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 08:37 PM
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You're confusing dating skills with relationship skills. A prospective employee's job interviewing skills and work ethic don't mean shit if his resume keeps getting binned.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:18 PM
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As I already mentioned, the largest correlative factor in whether my male peers are in a relationship or not is looks. Since opportunities in the post-college aged 20s come very few and far between, it puts a lot of pressure on me to want to impress a single woman the first time, since I probably won't see her again for months, if at all. There are virtually no opportunities to do this "slow burn, build attraction over time" type thing all these women on here say works for average guys. It's eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 03:28 AM
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was your voice really that bad? I have overall juvenile features and (had) the voice to go along with it. It wasn't effeminate, just very boyish. I've seen women on first dates get the ick the second I open my mouth. Nothing like getting your throat cut open and having your vocal cords stretched in an Istanbul hospital while totally awake. What about Jaw surgery? I actually think I have a decent jawline so I'm not too self-conscious about it. I'm not saying its incredible, but it's not busted en…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 03:06 AM
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Where are you trying to meet them though? You go out to a club/bar, you hit on a woman and.. what happens? Mostly through friends and social events. Its impossible to generalize since they are very situationally specific, but they fall through for obvious reasons. Usually I'm not getting the signals I'd like to see to pursue any further or there are obvious incompatibilities (i.e. a couple of the single women I met were doing the sugar baby thing. One was open about it, the other I only found ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 01:18 AM
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I'm telling you, the least likely place you would find an 18-29 year old woman is Reddit. The few ones that are here are neurodivergent 80% of the time. You probably grew up during a time when social media and the internet were seen as tools to enhance social interaction, not replace it entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 12:53 AM
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Most women commenters here are in the millennial generation or older and already partnered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:27 PM
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It is very much a thing. PPD women and older men are a bit... I guess disconnected on how much has changed. And I'm not even talking about the "casual sex market" but the relationship market as well. The only men I'm seeing getting into relationships around me are tall attractive dudes. I'm currently $20,000 in the hole for cosmetic surgeries/treatments and probably have about 30,000 left to go before I think I'll even have a chance. I'm not shooting way outside my league and I don't think I'm r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:11 PM
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That's why I think most men advocating for traditional gender roles in a family setting are borderline delusional. Unless you are pulling $200K+ a year, you're going to have to adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:11 PM
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We need more of those in schools but a lot of men feel emasculated at even the thought of becoming a teacher since it's so female dominated. Do you think this is the only reason why we don't see as many male teachers? Taken from a comment on this video: "I'm a male teacher, in middle school. At the start of my career I interviewed for 12-15 elementary school positions, and was rejected by every single one of them. I earnestly tried to teach elementary, but I just couldn't get in. was just starti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:06 PM
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Explain why it doesn't jive and post relevant quotes to support your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:38 PM
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The Pew Research study you linked is a survey on all adults. Obviously since there are a lot of older couples that met before online dating was ever a thing, that's going to skew the data. Even if you just look at younger couples aged 18-29, you are going to get different results since they aren't accounting for the year the coupling happened. The chart I posted is based on the specific year couples first met and the medium through which they did so. Fig. 1 shows updated smoothed graphs (using d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:19 PM
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Nothing in that link contradicts the chart. Who said I agreed? Usually people that have a disagreement voice them instead of just getting on a soapbox and signaling "I'm a woman, I know how female attraction works". 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:01 PM
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What's weird is that data doesn't match up with other data. Post the data. But yeah I'm a woman I have a teensy but of insight into how lady attraction works. It was for other guys, not necessarily you. Glad you agree though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:14 PM
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It was never controversial. What makes women physically attracted to men is a bit complicated. If you're funny and charismatic, then some women can start to be more physically attracted to that guy, even if they weren't initially. The best way to try to conceptualize women's attraction to men from a man's POV is as follows: imagine you meet a girl. As you get to know her and appreciate her personality more and more, her teeth become straighter, her boobs become bigger, and her face gets prettier…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:47 PM
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Enjoy Name obscured because I don't want to dox her. Also I'm setting those images to auto delete after a day. https://ibb.co/7b9KBhP https://ibb.co/VB11LDQ https://ibb.co/Z2qZ4Br https://ibb.co/Nr1Yvqw
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:22 AM
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She got really involved with this womb-pussy-female orgasm cult. Her entire Facebook profile is promoting these "workshops" and how she "waters" the soil of Mother Earth with her period blood.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:10 AM
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All those girls turned out pretty normal, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:50 AM
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Like, had a new crush on a different guy every week and wasn't shy about it either. I was one of those guys and even I didn't want to get involved with the drama. Now she posts on social media about "watering" the plants with her period blood. So yeah, she was a bit weird, but not nearly as weird as she is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:48 AM
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Weird girl I used to go to high school with went on one of those Fresh n' Fit copycat podcasts and it went about as well as you'd expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:41 AM
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What were the felonies?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:27 AM
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A lot of people overestimate the cost it takes to raise a baby. Yes, it is expensive, but those costs can be alleviated with financial planning and community support. Most of the costs in the first couple years can be attributed to diapers, baby food, and clothes. Diapers can be stockpiled well in advance. So can baby food. Your baby doesn't need brand new designer clothes just to look cute for IG pics or a brand new crib. I'm not religious but the church I used to go to had a mutual support net…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 03:47 PM
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Then we should also be focusing more on the other factors that cause violence towards women by men, instead of the fact that men exist in the same spaces as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 12:19 AM
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Come on, that's being dishonest. You can't compare the "average 30 year old" to the "popular college football player" who's probably towards the top of his social hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:12 PM
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Consider how the young man ended up there. He was frustrated with his outcomes in life up to that point and went online to seek out meaning to his shortcomings with women. No. Environment determines outcomes. Every once and a while we get people like you who grew up before social media and "internet algorithms" that are quick to dismiss and tell young men to just "soldier on". We are living in a completely different system than we were 20 years ago. Blackpill is just adapting to how things are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:30 PM
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It’s also very possible for women to develop genuine attraction over time, but it isn’t something that can be forced. And a lot of men here seem to be offended by this anyway, they only want instantaneous attraction, which is a lot more common for men than women. Would you agree that greater social atomization and over-reliance on social media as a form of human interaction has fostered environments where developing genuine attraction over time is more uncommon? One of the reasons I think blackp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:49 PM
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That's why I said physically attracted and charmed. I'm well aware an attractive guy can blow his chances by being creepy and not reading social queues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:03 PM
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No, it's just another way of referring to baser desires. But back to the topic: there are certainly degrees of attraction women can have for men, ranging from "icky" to "exactly my physical type". Not saying women should feel compelled to go out with guys they are physically repulsed by, but social media expectations and abundance of options have driven looks standards to the point where, in most cases and for most younger women, if you're not a 10/10 (to her), you might as well be a 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:17 AM
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What ad hominem? Everyone has monkey brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:34 AM
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which I have mixed thoughts on I'm curious to know what your mixed thoughts are on this assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:06 AM
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Isn’t the implication that they should “lower their standards” and give the guys they won’t give a chance (don’t find attractive) a chance? No, the implication is that women should stop chasing after "the spark". And that's not RedPill advice, that's standard, boilerplate dating advice being given in most women-centric dating self-help books and podcasts. Wanting "the spark" is just a nicer way of saying "I want to be instantly attracted and charmed the instant I first interact with a potential …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:01 AM
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About the same, tbh. I prefer the 6'5 guy but that's only because we have very similar upbringings, interests, and sense of humor. 5'5 guy would probably be more interesting at face value to the average person. He uses his money to travel a lot and pursue interesting hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 04:53 AM
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"I never would've swiped right on my husband if I found him on a dating app." "I wasn't initially attracted to my boyfriend. Then on the third date, something just clicked and he's the most attractive guy in world to me." "There wasn't a lot of chemistry on the first few dates with my current boyfriend because he wasn't really my type and he seemed nervous." ...are all phrases I've heard by women. I don't see a lot of conventional dating advice telling women to "take one for the team" just to so…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 02:11 AM
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Different beauty standards, different rules. Modern conventional beauty standards dictate that there will always be more attractive women than attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:59 AM
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As opposed to other factors (luck, atomisation of society, and yes physical attractiveness, or even just having a slightly different lifestyle) lots of men I assume everyone online See, if you had led with these qualifiers/caveats I would agree. Now it just looks like your backtracking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 09:20 PM
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Good to know though, that way I can stop feeling bad for men who I thought was just lonely. Instead it's I've learned that they're well... What you see on ppd. Just World Fallacy in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 09:04 PM
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Who is "y'all"? There is no "collective men", only individual men that exist on the margins of society to various degrees and for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 06:22 PM
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The majority of women are in relationships though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 06:18 PM
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Maybe a bit but I don't get that from him. He's confident but attempts are always going to land differently depending on how you are perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 09:40 PM
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Not that I know of, no. If he does, he's keeping it on the DL.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 09:29 PM
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I would put fitness under face but I generally agree. My 6'5" friend who doesn't lift, looks like big bird, and pulls in an average salary has never been single for more than 4 months for the past 8 years. My 5'5" friend who powerlifts at the competitive level, has the face of a model, and pulls in more than $200K/year hasn't been in a relationship since high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:50 PM
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Not where I am they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 01:53 PM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:52 PM
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I would say that even this is difficult. Maybe it's just my (mixed-gender) friend group, but there aren't really an abundance of single women that choose to go out often enough to build any kind of rapport. I don't know what I'm supposed to do if less than 1% of your average, mid-20s, single woman's free time is spent putting herself in situations where she'll even be around single men. There's just a general feeling of apathy in the dating market where I am. I don't even mind approaching, plann…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:24 PM
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