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Oh I didnt mean "date anybody" even if I wrote something about settling that might imply that. Have typed a ton tonight. Definitely wasn't ever thinking about fully desperate people with zero standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:16 AM
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Miserly dick = volcel? Haha Ok but seriously that gets into the warped expectations from overusing porn, and how sex is treated as a $ based commodity (it always was but it's much more now in the age of onlyFans and internet ad revenue). I'd argue that what we like to watch in porn isn't always what we want IRL, or if we do, we know it's ridiculous, unrealistic and not the kind of fantasy that a real live woman is going to indulge us in. Sure, you hear stories about college freshmen who ask thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:02 AM
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Not me. Literally dont care if she makes more $$, as long as the two of us together are making more than enough to get by, and we're putting about the same effort into our life together in whatever ways we do. Would prefer I find her attractive. Confidence is fine, except if that means she starts thinking I'm not good enough (if confidence raises her standards). The tradwife thing is weird, been seeing some really stupid shit on youtube and tiktok about it. Seems like a MAGA-sphere phenomenon bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:40 AM
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Yeah this has been one of the more thoughtful responses even if I don't entirely agree. Ew. This also proves my point Do you mean your point that "if his standards haven't grown then he hasn't"? I don't really see how. Hormones are serious as far as drugs go, and ours just happen to make us stupid and horny more often than yours do. Maybe not "constantly", that was an embellishment on my part to highlight my view that it doesn’t change much over time. Anyway it doesn't make us bad people or nega…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:59 AM
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Women rate themselves by men’s standards. When you say men's standards, that's really your (women's) perceived idea of what you think men want, aka the male gaze or whatever, right? And maybe it's more about what you think the men you want want... if you believe the redpilled premise that almost all women are going for the top fraction of men, and then think those guys are only going for super hot model types. I dont think it's 80/20 IRL like it is on the apps but seems like it's at least kind o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:40 AM
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"I never said all that shit" Confucius
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:59 AM
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Art imitates life, it's at least evidence that the idea rings true for people. But seriously if you're a reasonably attractive woman you could stop wearing makeup and doing your nails and fashionable hairstyles etc, and the men who would've wanted you before would almost all still want you. (Same goes for the other assorted LGBQT folks who are attracted to women). But the other women around you are more likely to talk shit behind your back if you go out without getting dolled up. Depending how i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:56 AM
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Yeah but that's the top 1% of rich and famous so I'm inclined to think their behavior and instincts would be a bit different than like the top 20 or 30 bracket. For one thing they have constant media attention so they're a lot more worried about public perception for their "brand" or whatever. But mostly, those celeb guys will always have a large pool of top tier women and will therefore not have to consider the mid to better than average that tests my theory. Leo and his neverending parade of 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:29 AM
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Hey now, where exactly am I blaming women for any of this in a "how dare they" sense? I do think the downstream effects of all this are bad for society and everybody but I'm not trying to make any moral judgements on anybody, and I don't intend for anyone reading or commenting to do that but clearly it's BYO bias and chips on shoulders today. Just trying to point out this is a thing that's happening and bounce ideas around as to how and why. But I am getting annoyed that most of the comments jum…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:13 AM
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Hey if that's what works for you, more power to you. Fuckin bats, I love that. Takes al kinds though, some people want to start casual, some are looking to settle down, some say one thing while angling for the other, and there's all these unwritten rules and invisible minefields in other people's heads. It's OG Discovery Channel rules out here in the wild, the ecosystem has become toxic af, so we all gotta talk about it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:48 AM
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Capable, yes. But it's harder. For reasons. It's all good, whatever, let's get back on topic please
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:41 AM
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And all the girls walked by dressed up for each other While the boys did the boogie woogie om the corner of the street -Van Morrison, Wild Night
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:39 AM
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I am serious and don't call me Jan. Marsha marsha etc. just so you know I get Brady bunch Really? A dude won’t take the hottest available because his standard won’t change? Sure he will, best he can get like I said elsewhere. But in a situation where the hottest available isn't much higher than his existing standard, he'll absolutely take it. Say he's in a limited dating pool for whatever reason, like a small town, or his dating app swipe rate has been in the toilet for months and the algorithm …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:38 AM
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Seems like you mostly agree with me and are saying yeah of course that's how it is and thats how it should be. I'm for the idea of weighing pros and cons, so applying my general thesis in that context, I assert that when a woman is doing pretty well she starts requiring a LOT more in the pro column and tolerates practically nothing in the con column. Ends up rejecting guys who have many more pros than cons that really would be a clear net positive but not quite enough of a high ratio as she sees…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:30 AM
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We don't generally recieve as much empathy concern amd support as you ladies do but that's a whole other series of conversations. Also quit being a jerk, will ya? We all know what friendship is even if men tend to experience it less
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:47 AM
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Agree that women naturally receive far more empathy and support, both in this context and generally. There's that "oh honey" instinct, whereas a man gets told "tough shit bro, deal with it" if we get any feedback or even seek comfort and validation. But women don't always get that. They're not necessarily going to talk to their girl squad about every guy who immediately unmatches on an app, and the mids of the world get a lot of that. Or if they do get that support and validation, do they believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:42 AM
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Those things may make us attractive to women, but are totally irrelevant to what we are attracted to in women. Our ceiling of who we can get with will definitely rise, but the floor of who we would get with? Not so much. If I find a woman desirable, I'll desire her, simple as that. Why? I think the same reasons male thirst is a reliable constant hum in the back of our minds, and if we like a woman we don't get in our head looking for reasons not to get together. Older guys who will hit on younge…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:28 AM
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Uhh, for one thing I don't see how it has to do with living together or not, I'm talking about standards for hooking up or starting to date somebody. Feels a little false-equivalency too. But I'll try to take this in good faith and boil your statement down to "women don't want to settle, while men often will." Sure, I don't disagree. My intention is to dig deep into WHY we settle or not, and identify the factors that determine where we set our "good enough" threshold, and how men and women might…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:12 AM
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On the insecurities thing: I also think men and women respond to rejection differently and that changes how easily we develop insecurity. When we're told (or treated as though) we're not good enough, our initial snap response is "no that's wrong, I am good enough, and screw anybody who says otherwise". Because testosterone maybe, and that we were told to confident, self assured. These days people call that "unearned confidence" which I think is a dumb term because how does one "earn" the right t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:40 AM
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Hey I'm supposed to be the pedantic one in every thread... I've gone ahead and edited in an "almost". Still, I think you're talking about a really small sliver of the worst of humanity with no redeeming qualities, and no ability or desire to contribute positively to a relationship or
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:39 PM
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I think most people are mediocre, men and women alike. Almost everybody has something to offer though. Men are still expected to bring very specific traditionally masculine things to the table, and guys who might have a lot to offer but not financial security and social status are not getting romantic opportunities. But the main point is that most women's standards are now significantly higher than mediocre, even if they are also mediocre, and that's a factor in the declining quality of life for…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:12 PM
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More like in their fifties. My 40-45yo female friends are mostly in their proud independent cat lady phase but that regret hangover seems inevitable
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:46 PM
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Charisma? I like to say "applied emotional intelligence"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 06:31 PM
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In terms of of the battle of the sexes devolving into a cold war to the extent it is in the US? I actually don't know what the sexual culture is like in Germany France or Australia, haven't traveled abroad for a while
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 04:26 AM
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the things that get girls have nothing to do with their virtue But men are literally perpetuating that by pedestalizing and chasing women based on their looks. Fair point, but I think the reality is that cis-het men and women are both perpetuating shitty sexual behaviors in the other gender, in a vicious cycle that's recently started to spiral badly. I think it's due to the legacy of patriarchy, and our recent clumsy attempts to "shatter it" and achieve equality one thing at a time in selective …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 12:58 PM
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For a start, let's get radically serious about equality. By that I mean: Eradicate ALL gender-based double standards, not just the ones that harm women. Have real conversations about the underlying moral philosophy behind our laws and social norms. And actually listen to men when we bring up men's issues instead of dismissing it as "whataboutism" or "derailing the conversation". I know there are plenty of heinous trolls out there but can we please just get back to starting from an assumption of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 10:30 AM
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Well I don't really blame feminism for the age gap or much of what OP lists, just the off-the-rails aspects of modern feminism for teaching Gen Z and younger millennial women to hate and fear men generally, and possibly be more wary of older men's attention. Hey that's the first time I've heard a lady complain about post-wall dudes, lol! The relatability thing is big for me too: as an elder millennial who relates to Gen X more, I usually date women my age or a little older. I totally thought the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:07 AM
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OP I'm thinking you probably should've asked how miserable instead of how dangerous, and said suffering instead of trauma. To avoid this sort of misunderstanding. Ever watch that game show Misery Index? It's based on a 100pt scale that's the sum of physical pain, immediate emotional suffering, and long-term psychological damage
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 06:43 PM
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I saw that Black Mirror it was damn good
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 06:56 AM
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the pill would pretty much have to be blue though
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 06:54 AM
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OK, that absolutely makes sense as applied to third world child marriage situations, which obviously highly impact the overall marriage age gap in those countries, but I feel like the discussion here has been focused on the age gap in relationships and marriages between consenting adults and how that impacts the dating market conditions in cultures where feminism is mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 06:51 AM
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Oh neither camp will like it, in this scenario the misbehaving kids are being forcefed each others' junk food so the grownups can have a moment's peace to try and remember what vegetables are
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 06:39 AM
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Reminds me of a few years back when I was hired to be a teacher's aide at a public school. We're monitoring recess one day and this 8 yo girl is failing at swings so I walk over and ask if she wants help, which she does, so I give her a push to get her going. On the back, of course. The other aides and teachers (all female) huddle up and whisper for a minute then one walks over to me and suggests it would be best if I never touched the kids at all unless absolutely necessary "you know, because y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 06:11 AM
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Fair points, but this is by no means as big a factor as women's standards getting astronomically higher in all areas, including these social skills and EQ you speak of
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 05:54 AM
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I think there's a lot of reasons for the lack of visible discussions of better male birth control: first, a lot of guys are probably ignorant of the fact that any options besides condoms and vasectomies could possibly exist, and it doesn't occur to them to look into options. I had to google it, have also been waiting on Vasalgel's clinical trial for years. Glad other ppl in this sub know about it. But at this point, I wonder if Big Condom and Big Pharma (the Pill etc) are conspiring to indefinit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 05:49 AM
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The part of the ideological culture war dealing with gender issues, in this context feminists vs MRA's
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 05:15 AM
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That marshmallow thing is kind of a big deal in both economics and moral philosophy, concept is called delayed gratification. Do you want 5 bucks right now or 20 next week? Can you wait your turn for a shared resource so it's more efficient and fair for everyone? Do you sell out the next generation's future livelihood for short-term profits? As it applies to sex though, male thirst is real, and on average we're also more likely to be reckless and impatient
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 05:12 AM
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Reminds me of my friend's dad's idea to round up all the idiots in America and fence them off in Montana, but that might not be big enough these days
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 04:57 AM
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Disagree with that first causal link, do you have any data or arguments showing feminism lowered the divorce rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 12:13 AM
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I support this idea for handling polarized extremism, but not in a violently accelerationist way... Like maybe just get the top 5 debaters from both sides and lock them in a securely partitioned room so they can yell until they're blue in the face and have picked apart each others' worst bad faith arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 12:10 AM
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Always? I have this impression (very possibly from movies) that in the 70s and 80s there was at least some moderate amount of 20something women marrying guys in their 30s. If anyone here was alive and in the game back then, or more likely the offspring of such a union lol, please chime in. Yeah that's true about the distribution, bigger age gaps in older brackets generally
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 12:05 AM
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Eh, for one thing there are just way too many points in the cycle and some of of the links are tenuous in terms of causation or even association. For example the very top and bottom: feminism -> entitlement and bitter FDS -> more feminism don't really track for me. Although, Jesus F-ing C are those FDS chicks ever entitled. But that doesn't mean feminism's mainstream ascendance is the primary cause of everything messed up in the culture war over gender issues (although it certainly plays a role …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 11:49 PM
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Fair points, and also what those other factors are will vary greatly by age bracket. Like "trendy" is probably golden for 22-29, "ambitious/interesting" for 30-39, "stable, has pulse" for 40+, and "attractive, not poor" are of course evergreen. We know most/all women tend to compartmentalize very different sets of criteria for Mr Right vs Mr Right Now, usually success/status for Right, and attractiveness/charisma/trendiness for RN. My point relates to the hypergamy aspect of all the criteria: th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 11:03 PM
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Ah, didn't realize there was a significant edit... Lol of course there are no rich or famous people slumming it over here, they're out living their wonderful lala-land life in the clouds of their halo effect. And even if hypergamy were a thing Are you really denying the existence of hypergamy though? Definition and usage vary but it seems like it's obviously still a thing, where women's standards for men seem to directly scale with how well she is doing at life/career/adulting... Like, however m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 10:28 PM
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US/western only, or worldwide?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 09:29 PM
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feminism has meant women are less reliant on men’s money That's one way of looking at it, and not the whole picture. The fact that career women make good money is awesome, but the fact that it raises the bar for what they expect from an eligible suitor is really bad and unsustainable, and IMHO will accelerate the incel problem more than any online radicalization. And this bears repeating: hypergamy isn't really about money, even the rare blatant gold digging is rooted in what the money represent…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 09:26 PM
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To be fair, OP didn't nail down age brackets on this so framing it as 20something ladies x 40something dudes is a bit of a mischaracterization. It's just the general trend of age gaps, which in my experience varies between Gens X Y and Z. I feel like young 20something women are EXTREMELY wary of any advances from men even 5-10 years older, having come of age with the influence of mainstream feminism. Meanwhile, seems like a lot of mid-to-late thirties women are coupling with 40-50something dudes…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 09:07 PM
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Yeah but that only spares our feelings until we figure out that it's BS, at which point it pisses us off, feeding into their feelings that they need to be careful
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:01 AM
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why be sneaky about it let's all wear high heels
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:31 AM
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Yeah as long as it's reciprocated with a mutual understanding of what the deal is
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 09:14 PM
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Problem with that is that in my view, most of the young woke left is into a different version of the golden rule: treat others how THEY want to be treated, by having superhuman levels of intuition/empathy. Which I consider an unrealistic expectation
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:07 PM
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So first, I'd argue that 30 minute sitcoms and 90 minute romcoms are a realistic template for how to live and love... in the same way that US cable news is a trustworthy source for unbiased and accurate journalism. Also there's waaaaay more to media than TV shows and movies, which is what I assume you're mostly referencing. Obviously porn is a bad influence for young men, not only in making them think women are into rough/risky sex or turned on by rapey situations, but it also creates a very unr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 12:20 AM
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Yuuuup... Also late thirties, and I was raised with the idea that gold-digging/social-climbing women are the exception not the rule, and that most women are just looking for love based on personal compatibility. Not real sure exactly what instilled that, but I think at least part of it was those 80s/90s movies and sitcoms I think you're talking about where the female lead chooses our hero for his virtue over the villain/bully with the money and power. And sometimes there's a redemption arc in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 11:29 PM
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Agree, the ritual withholding as a test or indicator of long-term commitment is ridiculous and way too common, and all the rules go out the window anyway when people are drunk or being manipulated. Questions for OP: Do you consider asexuality to be a spectrum or a 0/1 binary? And, have you experienced any increased degree of sexual interest or pleasure when drunk and/or high?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 10:15 PM
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Depends which island, right? And how big of a town, and whether it's just the locals or there's 5 cruise ships and 50 yachts every day. But yeah I'd assume OP was generalizing about tourist traps, either from anecdotal experience or all the overly sexualized travel ads. Makes me think of something related that I could use your perspective on though: the idea that women are way more DTF when on vacation or even just traveling out of town. Picture your average shy, careful, 30-50yo office cat lady…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 09:41 PM
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Totally thought he was shorter, I know they use creative camera angles and other Hollywood magic to make him look as big or taller than his co-stars
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 02:42 AM
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Doubt it's mostly about virility or sex drive. That skew post-50 has to be due to what is considered attractive in traditional hetero gender roles: Men want pretty young women, women want stable successful men, so... Young women: Exist Middle-aged men: Have established career, house, savings
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:19 PM
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WhErE hAvE aLl ThE gOoD mEn GoNe? In a world, where men's SMV is tied to conventional measures of success, and the middle class has been squeezed for decades as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:08 PM
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Don't have to mention men because it's implicit: directly saying straight women would choose to stop being straight; implying straight men (and relationships with them) are inherently undesirable. The pro-woman interpretation would read something like: Lesbians are the best people ever, everyone should want to be with one. Which interpretation do you think got all the likes and shares if this quote blew up on social media? what is the old fish/bicycle slogan? "A woman needs a man like a fish nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:18 AM
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BS. I mean, I see how it could be interpreted as pro-woman or anti-man...but come on now, it clearly originated as smug rad-fem propaganda like the old fish/bicycle slogan
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:52 AM
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never heard that saying, but it sounds a lot like "men r trash" with extra rhetorical steps
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:15 AM
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IMO it's more about social status than money, though you can certainly buy or leverage your way into prestige. Nice /u name BTW, I used to claim "moderately radical" as my political affiliation
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:12 AM
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Premise reminds me of a John Mulaney bit: "All of our dads have no friends... if you think your dad has friends, you're wrong! Your mom has friends, and they have husbands." Disagree w a few things though: Most important, there are plenty of guys who have solid friendships, maybe even some with female friends but that doesn't make them immune to feeling lonely/angry/horny when they have no romantic prospects. Or if they constantly have prospects which NEVER pan out, when every girl they feel the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 06:46 PM
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Dude. Everything just "works" if you're good looking
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 05:13 AM
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TLDR this might be good advice for college/20's but not any older. I think lots of people who should naturally have an uninhibited personality are living inhibited lives and abuse alcohol as a release valve to compensate. Applied to sex, this obviously raises serious consent issues. Inhibited is exactly the right word: there are a fair amount of adults who choose to live their lives very carefully, unless they're drunk. Not me, but it makes sense, since it's clear that in most of the world your …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 12:27 AM
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I've seen faster, like "be yourself", "treat women how you want to be treated" or "be patient"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 06:29 PM
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Sure. I bet there's also a nonzero amount of ladies who actually are open to casual after a couple dates (this is what I'm down for), but still SAY on the app profile that they're looking for a relationship because they don't want to deal with 1000 messages from a horde of horny dudes wanting to hook up immediately. I feel like I don't see this because women I date either friendzone me or sort me into the "potential LTR" bucket, and subject me to a different set of rules than some chadly f---boi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 06:10 PM
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Feels like it from where I'm sitting? Most women on the apps say they're looking for a relationship (and a good amount of them specifically say some variation on "NO HOOKUPS!)", might see 1 out of 20 looking for something casual. Again, might be a generational age-bracket thing. And western culture isn't a monoculture. America seems to be fucked in ways that are different from Canada/EU. And within USA, things will be different for red/blue, city/country, poor/mid/rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 04:40 PM
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Yeah, the issue isn't "well she was a slut so I could never be in a serious LTR with her" more like "oh OK, so you want to be prude for me, but a slut for every other dude ever? And that's what you think is the foundation for a serious and healthy relationship? F--- that, I'm out." Sorry for saying the s-word so much, idk if that's going to trigger mod attention, but anyway I feel like 95% of slutshaming these days is judgmental gossip from other women and that's what killed the cultural trend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 04:15 PM
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and all the girls walk by dressed up for each other -Van Morrison, "Wild Night" Women care about other women's appearance, and care about what other women think of their appearance. There's a downside to being too socially aware when it creates a fear that all your peers might be as judgmental as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 03:46 PM
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Totally fine with that. As long as "LTR" doesn't mean she makes me wait for months when I know she had flings before and might have another one with the next rebound guy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 03:41 PM
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Yeah, usually over drinks within a friend group
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 03:35 PM
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A lot of men often claim... A lot of men here or on /RP maybe... that sample bias is not going to be a good representation of men as a whole. A lot of this is going to depend on age brackets and culture, maybe there's still super-evangelical right wing 20-something guys who require virginal purity? Me, I'm a 30-something who mostly hangs in left-leaning circles, and I'm getting annoyed with the number of women my age or older who openly talk about having been promiscuous and sex-positive in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 03:16 PM
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Mm, cuts both ways though. There are also plenty of women who think they're better than they actually are, and they're holding out for what they think they deserve. Especially since it's been all about OLD and social media
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 04:53 AM
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Then you're better than most
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 09:59 PM
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Yeah generally true, but don't forget there's plenty of "a la carte" or lapsed Catholics and "culturally Jewish" on the left who don't take moral imperatives from spiritual leaders (like evangelicals do) but still have the moral imprints from their upbringing. Think that's a voting bloc that will merit some attention soon
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 09:54 PM
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Yeah I don't think it's exclusive to left or right though, maybe different in style and degree. Like, I still see radical progressive and neoliberal women slut shaming and gossiping at each other. And remember that one milf with an onlyFans getting her kids kicked out of Catholic school in CA a few months back? Dollars to doughnuts the other moms who demanded her shunning all voted blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 09:23 PM
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Mmm idk, I support Carano but she really got fired for "beep bop boop" and "boop you", if she had just shut up and never changed her Twitter bio she'd have been fine. Then months later, Disney just used that sloppy Nazi comparison repost as a convenient excuse. Anyway who got fired or lost a gig for not speaking out against her? Rather than actively defending her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 09:16 PM
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In a word, status-mongering. However well a woman is doing, she'll feel like she is supposed to increase her social status through a match and hold out for that, rather than pairing off with an equal and striving for a better life together. You'll never see me calling anybody a golddigger because even the income thing is really about status and lifestyle, or "keeping up with the Joneses." What traits: status, confidence, intelligence, humor ,height, fitness. How a woman prioritizes those last fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 09:10 PM
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Probably only in the most liberal of liberal cultures
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 08:30 PM
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Agree that patriarchy as a collection of gendered double standards ultimately is bad for most everyone. My biggest gripe with modern feminism is some feminists' insistence on only dismantling the parts that harm women, while leaving intact or even denying the existence of the parts that harm men and accusing anyone who wants to talk about that of "whataboutism". Not that you're doing that, but it's a thing. Well that's going to be nigh impossible to quantify, since I'm mostly talking about emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 08:28 PM
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Right let's focus on career then. Here's my take on how OP's thesis applies to the job market and working conditions: Generally, women have an easier time finding work, then have to deal with tons more nonsense once they have a job (harassment, office housework, office politics, makeup tax, glass ceiling/cliff, etc.) For men, the opposite. Job hunting sucks, but once you get in the door it's usually easy to coast through or even fail upwards if you've got charisma or clout. I am presently coasti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 08:03 PM
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You may have built some of that, but the foundation was already there for you in the form of societal norms that expect women to mutually support each other while expecting men to fend for themselves. Men who support others, especially female friends, often don't get support in return. And when they notice that and complain they'll get accused of having a sense of entitlement or only helping others because they want something in return. Have not seen those comments about the customer service per…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:35 PM
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Examples of the first thing actually happening? Where a celeb gets blacklisted for actually staying silent while a Twitter mob demands they take a position. Not when they clumsily explain why they won't officially pick a side in a way where it's clear they're on the "wrong" side. Yeah the demands for conformity/solidarity got ridiculous last summer, saw those videos too and it reminded me of the Seinfeld scene with Kramer and the Puerto Rican parade... "Who? Who will not wear the ribbon?" I feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:21 PM
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Exactly. Most of us learned the word privilege as kids, from the context of "___ is a privilege not a right". Compare that to how it's used now, it's practically a misnomer
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:07 PM
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And the very few news segments that did cover it, referred to them not as boys, but as “villagers” or as “people”. These gender neutral terms that dehumanize them. Not super familiar with the details, just skimmed wikipedia... it's a lot. The kidnapped schoolgirls thing obviously got the most international attention. Seems like most of the other times they rolled up on a village, took the girls, killed the boys, but what about the adults? I'd assume they killed most of them too. In that case I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 09:57 PM
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Let's focus on the BH thing: seems like you're arguing that OP's whole point is invalid because BH saw the boys as a threat rather than disposable nothings, honestly I figure it's a bit of both, and also wanting to fully stamp out the Christian influence which they see as a threat to their culture. Dehumanizing the victims through tribal out-group psychology. But OP wasn't arguing anything about BH's motive for murdering the boys. The point as I understand it wasn't "BH sees the boys they killed…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 09:38 PM
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we're more likely to be in situations where we are hurt or killed. Society hasn't just molded around that, it actively reinforces it with stuff like military drafts and dangerous manual labor
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 08:03 PM
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Curves over muscle tone. Legs > chest > butt. Don't care about height, am annoyed when others do, especially when women of similar height put stuff in their OLD profile like "be taller than me so I can wear heels"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 02:22 PM
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Hey it's not my definition, just my take on what people mean when they say the word privilege these days... Which is far enough away from both the proper definition and the original connotations that gen X and older have of the word, that it may well be a misnomer. As applied to OP's post and women's privilege: cis-het women generally have much less of a struggle with dating than cis-het men or at least a different struggle, and are therefore privileged
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 11:24 PM
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And the other other definition of privileged: not being oppressed or deprived to the extent that others are, or historically have been. I've found that meaning to be closest to what people actually mean when they're talking about privilege in context of social justice. It's just a small switch to the frame of reference: not being subject to negative stuff, instead of having access to positive stuff, but it makes a ton of difference in terms of perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 03:11 PM
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Maybe move somewhere healthier? W coast or Denver seems good lately, or become an expat. Or try to meet people at the gym, or running groups when all that comes back. My first thought reading this was "oh no, let's not set the bar according to US averages"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 11:15 PM
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Big fat cities exist though... Am from Chicago, apparently our adult obesity rate is 31%, and another 30% are overweight. Anyway I'd say it's also not useful to apply a statistic by region or even state, because you'll get different numbers for city/suburbs/rural within that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 11:10 PM
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I mean, they could wear condoms and insist that their partners be on the pill, while they have all that casual sex. TRP, like feminism, is not a monolith... There's plenty of redpill guys who are pro-choice, and others who don't want to be dads, ultimately do want a good monogamous relationship, etc. But if we're just looking at the subset of TRP men who want lots of casual sex forever, are against all birth control, and against abortion, then yes those particular guys are hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 07:29 PM
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The tech for reversible male birth control is coming, look up Vasalgel
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 07:18 PM
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Deadend? Nah. Does it reach a point of diminishing returns? Yeah probably
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:01 PM
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What's the "breakup side of reddit"... is it here, are we there yet? Anyway fair point, no one intentionally dates/marries down unless they're already truly desperate. Ideally we should all find someone on our level to be equal partners with, but in practice sometimes that feels like settling. But I'd say women are hypergamous to a much greater degree and that's why redpill constantly gives them hell for it. Also there's the idea that women reject equals to hold out for men who eclipse them in s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 01:58 AM
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Hamlet, to Ophelia: "Get thee to a university"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 03:56 AM
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The timing on that 17:1 stat certainly supports the idea that the agricultural revolution ultimately fucked humanity over. At least culturally, that is... It was great for progress or whatever. I don't buy that women have an innate natural instinct to only mate with apex fallacies in male form. I think it's mostly cultural influences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 06:25 AM
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Yeah I would. Mostly to be able to get different perspectives on gendered cultural stuff, and to call each other on our bullshit in ways that women generally don't with other women. The issues around boundaries and risks is something that everybody needs to navigate for their own relationships and honestly most people don't put enough thought and intention into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 10:50 PM
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I think it's still accurate to use the term to refer to dating up, not just marrying up. Compare that to polygamy/polyamory. Obviously different connotations but my point is that the former necessarily implies marriage while the latter doesn't... Are we going to try to coin the term "hyperamory" just to satisfy Latin root nerds? Good luck making fetch happen! it is not the tendency to upgrade to higher value mates, that’s a red pill invention. Are you saying the tendency doesn't exist and was in…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 08:59 PM
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I define it as intentionally using a romantic relationship to increase your quality of life in a materialistic or superficial way, usually through wealth, power, or social status. I think that's bad because a good relationship should ideally be a goal in itself but in hypergamy it's a means to an end: a golden ticket for the gravy train to the good life on easy street, if you will. I think there's also an element of women being attracted to superiority, which does not bode well for any lasting e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 01:04 AM
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Yeah it's a pretty grim analogy. Also here's some classic rock lyrics on the subject: Love is like oxygen You get too much you get too high Not enough and you're gonna die
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:31 AM
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Serious question: Which was worse, getting zero attention or getting more attention than you wanted? I often think of this as would you rather starve or be force-fed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:20 AM
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For starters, how about employing all that "empathy" that is supposedly going to heal the world, according to every basic social media and OLD profile. Because it seems like women's empathy is actually only reserved for everyone else on the planet EXCEPT cis-het men who are to be ignored, mocked, and reviled, because patriarchy and intersectionality or something. Practically, just treat men like fellow human beings who have feelings. Less lies, less ghosting, and when rejecting someone don't be …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:08 AM
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Yeah but I still think the larger principle applies, that women who are or could be interested get turned off when men respect their boundaries. So, men learn that pushing boundaries is the only way to ever get anywhere, and that's why you have to deal with guys always trying to angle for romance whenever you're friendly to them. Really I think the reason "friendzoning" is a thing is that women insist on strict compartmentalization between friendship and romance. I would love to be able to start…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 10:44 PM
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Bit of both really, 4 days of leaving me hanging followed by "I want to be friends, I wanted more but something's missing." My point is the pattern: woman sets boundary, man respects boundary, woman's attraction fades
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 09:43 PM
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Boundaries are tough. Also, I think we as men learn less about boundaries and different lessons if we even think about them at all during our teenage and young adult years. Maybe kids these days are getting better emotional education and thus will be OK in a few decades? My observation has been that most (hetero) people view boundaries through a very sexual lens: women thinking of boundaries as good things that keep them safe from physical and emotional risks, men thinking of boundaries as annoy…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 09:16 PM
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Here's a great example of a problem we have, that is the reason why "the guy ALWAYS tries to escalate": The rare guys who don't escalate talking into dating, or don't escalate towards physicality while dating, also get friendzoned, every single time. Basically if we respect your boundaries, you lose interest and start making BS excuses about it. I can't speak to your intentions or awareness of this phenomenon as women, but I'm sure there are die-hard redpillers here who would say the boundaries …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 09:06 PM
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Clever girl!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:17 PM
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There's a Rick and Morty episode for this "Raising Gazorpazorp"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:15 PM
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Anyone have post-wank depression is that a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:11 PM
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Dog mom is the new cat lady
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:05 PM
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Car, sure...but who's old enough to remember the 90's sportscaster who got canned for saying something like "women shouldn't golf because their tits get in the way"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:04 PM
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Fair point, mostly. understanding and empathizing with women. Do this constantly or too soon, and it's a great way to get friendzoned... One hell of a deterrent. They see women as separate, not the same as themselves Sure, women do this too though, lot of "othering" going on from both sides lately. Also, men being more independent and less social generally, we're more likely to see everyone as separate including other men, falling into the fallacy of uniqueness. They either put them in the dirt …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 03:39 PM
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Don't know if that's a thing. To the extent that it is, it's likely to be more about a general trend of anti-intellectualism. Personally, I feel like I sometimes get rejected because I'm intelligent but haven't converted that into high level career success
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 03:22 PM
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OK I see the hypocrisy, but also I feel like your argument boils down to not letting men be hypocrites while continuing to allow women to be hypocrites. In that hypergamy + equality = hypocrisy. Agree about the last bit about relaxing on performative masculinity, at the end of the day patriarchy is also bad for the majority of men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:02 AM
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I can't speak for OP OP here, LOL women as a whole are generally better at being social That's the whole collaborative vs independent thing. You're right it may have to do with upbringing and gender norms, and also it may be an evo psych thing. Whatever the reason, old women form sewing circles while old men sing My Way at their retirement party. Also I think this is why younger women have taken to social media like fish to water. Fair point, nobody wants a chronic couch potato. But it's led to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 07:52 PM
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Yeah, I'm American, and am not a fan of how superficial and materialistic our culture has become. You're right on target about marketing, social media has everyone curating their image and applying sales tactics to everything. So I just now found out about the idea of "frame" and quickly googled a couple things that reference it. Slippery concept to define, seems to involve perspective, dominance that commands respect/deference, and a general sense of controlling-the-situation. Possibly what I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 07:29 PM
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I get that, people are allowed to have their values and preferences and live accordingly. What do you mean by idiosyncratic, like compared to what? What I see as a problem is demanding equality and then keeping the high standard of men needing to be better. And I resent the entitlement and expectation inherent in "well what do YOU bring to the table? Impress me."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 07:06 PM
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Eh, happens to me often and either I'm desensitized or have so much wonderful empathy that I don't feel offended or violated. (lol I'm desensitized) So I'm a hetero man, I live in a queer-friendly neighborhood, some of my friends are bi and gay and queer etc, and while they don't hit on me, sometimes we'll go to gay bars or to a party with their gay friends of friends who might make a pass. If they're obnoxious about it I'll say hey fucker cut it out, if they're respectful or smooth I'll say hey…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 07:00 PM
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No that's not bad at all... of course if you compare any two people who are likely to meet, one of them is going to be superior in some aspects and inferior in others, and it'd be unrealistic to think people are trying to perfectly match up to minimize any differences. Takes all kinds, viva la diference, etc. And actually I think it's crazy that more people are applying political polarization to their love life and only getting with people of the same ideological affiliation. Like, sure, have so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 06:44 PM
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OK that's getting into random esoteric hidden talent stuff. I asked that RAA leading question because I bristled at "just... be competent at something" as I feel like that comes from the narrative that men are generally derpy and useless, which has been increasingly pushed lately by feminist-pandering mainstream culture and media. Think every commercial where a woman has it together and a man is full of fail. Have your "girl power" thing, fine, just stop highlighting it by constantly shitting on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 06:18 PM
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Probably both, that needn't be an either or. Also depends on the guys own level of attractiveness Also I think the concept of leagues is useless but that's just semantics, I'll take "out of their league" here to mean way more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 05:43 PM
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Lol at celebrity evidence, celebrities are frickin weird. Yeah it's not a hard rule, but a recognizable pattern. Just the fact that hypergamy exists as an ideal is messed up though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 05:38 PM
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OK, yeah I'd do it, I'm sold at "beautiful woman" and "nice house". Honestly I probably wouldn't even need the house and now I'm reminded of an old Chappelle bit: "Ladies, if y'all would let us fuck you in a cardboard box, nobody would be buying houses. " Pretty much everyone would take that deal given the opportunity. So if we as a society are serious about equality, we should either normalize men getting that deal, or stop giving women a pass on it or expecting them to want that or whatever th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:29 AM
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I had in fact never heard of dusties, thank you for that. Just looked it up on urban dictionary
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:13 AM
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Right on. And happy cake day!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:10 AM
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involves more than people realize Do you mean the associated correlating stuff that goes along, like subcultures of racial groups? I still think race is easier to sort out than class. What do you mean by outlook?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:04 AM
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so being hypergamous is finding someone who shares the same values to a greater extent than others? Why is that a bad thing? No that's nowhere close to anyone's definition of hypergamy. What I think it is: no matter how good the woman is, the man has to be better, and combine that with a superficial, materialistic, gimme gimme entitlement mentality. I think that's bad because it's incompatible with equality/equitability which is the direction that progressives are trying to steer the culture
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 12:54 AM
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Eh you're fine, I wouldn't even call what you're looking for hypergamy since you're fit and successful and looking for an equal with shared interests/values. Also your ex sounds awful by any standards. Snapchat only? Yikes. the average dude who will be attracted to me will also tend to be taller than me Maybe, but also possible that there's shorter guys who like you, but are intimidated by that, or assume you wouldn't like them because height.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 12:41 AM
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Do you think that in men who are romantically unsuccessful, it's because they're incompetent at everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 12:15 AM
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Happening in nonwestern countries, but because mainstream feminism is a Western thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 09:54 PM
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women are expected to on an onging basis do more emotional labor, housework and childcare Well that's the regressive 50's housewife thing, hopefully women who still choose to do that are signing up for it rather than having it foisted upon them. But the flipside of that is that men are always expected to focus on their career and exude success and authority. I think judging a man by his job is basically saying "men belong in the office" in the same tone as "women belong in the kitchen". Fuck tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 09:49 PM
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This is basically the plot of Easy S1E1 which I referenced
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 09:04 PM
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and never shall the twain meet. Well Actually the expression is "and never the twain shall meet." Also, you're wrong... the twain are intrinsically linked, it's insane to think women can continue to compartmentalize them individually while the societal trend is toward equality, that's a "something's gotta give" situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 09:02 PM
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Sure there's a whole heap of criteria. What I'm getting at is that in any given criterion they value, women tend to prefer a match who is more/better than they are
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:46 PM
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Define class? Upper/middle/lower, education level, income? If the buckets are big enough those stats are not meaningful. I don't consider hypergamy a default or innate human quality, I think it's more of a social construct and I hope we can all deprogram a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:43 PM
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more control over your career/ ambition than you do over looks beyond working out/hygiene. Socioeconomic mobility trending downwards lately, so maybe not. Try going from unemployed to employed, or getting a good job when you've mostly worked shitty jobs, or even just going from service industry to corporate. Yeah I have a whole other rant about how corporate HR and recruiting practices are what's really keeping poor people down and shrinking the middle class. Who the hell are all these people as…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:29 PM
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What's dark market?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:07 PM
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Just the size and height stuff. I'm looking at the big picture which is that plus the status/power aspects. Not trying to make any points about that particular converse from the male perspective although I did use that example to try and salvage a low quality response yesterday
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:05 PM
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Hey you're allowed to have your own values and seek out others with same, and it sounds like you highly value financial stability. I'd just counter that what you see as human nature I think is really just social artifice from living in a predominantly capitalist culture. Very good point that much of this stuff is internalized. I think it's both though: we internalize what we're supposed to be, and enforce (project) on others what we think they're supposed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:00 PM
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Are you bi, by chance? If not I doubt your ability to accurately rate people you're not attracted to. Honestly as a cis-het dude I don't have a good handle on what physical attractiveness even looks like in other dudes, seriously everything in the 4-8 range may as well be one number
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 07:53 PM
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They can, and I would hope that they do, and switch to better criteria which are less materialistic and more along the lines of "am I happier with him". What I fear though is that as we approach gender-equal wealth and opportunity, most women will continue using the old rules (causing widespread frustration for everyone) because their self-worth is tied into having high romantic standards
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 07:47 PM
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Sure, on average men are bigger/taller, but the ranges overlap. Anyway I'm trying to focus on the general trend nor just the physical difference aspect. Am not an incel, not working out does not equal atrophy, and no one with any knowledge of anthropology thinks men and women are physiologically identical. Personally I believe hypergamy is more psych and social conditioning than a biological imperative
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 07:30 PM
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Evolutionary bio/psych may play a role here but I'm not convinced it's the only or even the main factor. Women make their wants known Do they though?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 07:16 PM
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Wouldn't assume Awalt as true. And observable generational change is the best indicator of how much of this stuff is nurture and not nature
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:57 AM
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Congrats on being an outlier, always more interesting than the average muggle!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:32 AM
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hold please while I go watch a god-awful movie starring Mel Gibson
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:30 AM
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Gen X, "when I was in my 20's"... The battle of the sexes has gone completely off the rails since then, man! I'm an elder millennial and I long for the social norms of like 5 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:24 AM
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No confusion, we probably agree on more than we disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:21 AM
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Alright, flair checks out, glad you kids are throwing out some of the sillier traditional dating rules. Kudos to you for having more genuine criteria than most, I mean that. I think people end up with their equals. Both men and women strive to get the best partner they can get (hypergamy). The issue I have with this is that by and large, men and women judge each other by different metrics: Men for power, status, and utility; Women for youth, fertility, and beauty. It ends up like a math/physics …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:17 AM
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You're just zeroing in on education though. I probably should've included that in the list, but still it's only one criterion and my reasons for posting is that it's about hypergamy applied over all the criteria
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:06 AM
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I'll accept the possibility that the bell curve on this is horizontally scrunched so that outliers are more uncommon than rare. You and your friends sound awesome, congrats on the advanced degrees and the good relationships. But also, that probably correlates to a bit of privilege in terms of zipcode-destiny stuff. By which I mean you're likely to be a member of a more enlightened and progressive-thinking subculture than the population at large. I hope we can all get there but I don't see it hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:02 AM
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I mean, people do it anyway... That probably contributes to the high divorce rate
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 01:48 AM
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Yeah but I only ever see the term referring to money and occasionally social status
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 01:45 AM
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Your first sentence about everybody wants someone better was also speculation. It's not uncommon at all for people to say one thing but do different/the opposite thing either Absolutely, everybody's a hypocrite in one way or another. But this topic is a large scale cultural trend of women saying they want equality and then still clinging to hypergamy, which hamstrings equality, that's what I mean about it being counterproductive. people need others to do the things that they can't do If the matc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 01:40 AM
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many men say they want their girlfriends/wives to be more submissive, smaller, thinner than they are. Yeah that's valid, I touched on it with the "damsel in distress thing" towards the end. But I do think it's an open question whether there's more men only attracted to weaker women, or more women only attracted to stronger men. At the end of the day, who's reinforcing the dynamic of imbalance? Are you 38 trying to hang out with 21 year olds? Not generally, no. I'm 36, age range on the app is set…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 01:22 AM
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I think everyone ideally wants someone who's better than them in some way... Disagree, many people claim to want an equal or a good match, I'm sure some of them mean it. Nobody dates down, my point is that women insist on dating up to a ridiculous degree. it makes sense why women want tall, strong, successful men to tag along with. That paragraph is about the whole standard alpha/beta dynamic where women compare us to other men. My point is that it may be more about a woman comparing a man to he…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:44 AM
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Are you upset that women don't want spineless men they can push around, that they can beat in every category that women find important? No, I think it's BS that matching with an equal constitutes settling. Nobody wants to "date down" but the emphasis that women place on dating up (aka hypergamy) is ridiculous. Yeah, outliers exist, have noticed some here and there. I don't know these strawman people that you want me to stop listening to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:35 AM
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The number one problem in this country in terms of attractiveness is obesity Explain the "dad bod" appeal then. It can't just be daddy issues, it really seems like overweight guys get a pass as long as they exude alpha traits like power success and authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:39 PM
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Yeah the focus on weeding out is pretty obvious. Notice women are constantly talking about red flags and dealbreakers, usually over super petty and trifling shit. The reason of course is the sexual double standard of glorifying male conquest, and of course slut shaming BUT the flipside of that is canonizing female purity as virtue. In terms of SMV being validated by sex: Men think we're only as good as the best woman we've seduced; while women seem to think they're as bad as the worst man they'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:25 AM
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Better question: why isn't there a real male equivalent for feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:37 PM
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Look, hate is a strong word. I don't hate all women, or you... I don't know you, if I did I we probably wouldn't like each other (extrapolating from this discussion) but I doubt it'd jump straight to hate. I would like to have the latitude to call women on their BS (as we men have lately been called on ours) and not have everyone who identifies as a feminist immediately assume my arguments are rooted in hate. Women are judgmental/picky/insecure. Where have I ever denied that? I guess you didn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:54 PM
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Is "women are judgmental/picky/insecure" even a controversial opinion? Certainly not here, going by top-level comments from women about how and why women select their friends. Anyway the interesting discussions only start when we accept the observable truth as a premise then ask why in terms of nature or nurture. Pfft at 99%, even allowing for rhetorical hyperbole 99 is way too high... I may be an asshole but there's no way I'm in the 99th percentile. Loads of other men view women as I do or wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:10 PM
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38% of women out-earned their husbands So it's probably safe to infer that 62% of married men outearn their wives, and that these stats only apply to married couples that both still work. Overlooking single people including high-earning women who won't settle, relatively low-earning men who don't compete, and also possibly overlooking traditional single-earner married couples where only the husband works. Also: That link on the 38% stat goes to an article about how both men and women tend to lie…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:50 PM
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Maybe... but what if the core issue is that half the human race is pathologically judgmental, picky, demanding, and insecure
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:24 PM
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Still make less than white men, white women, asian men, asian women on average That'd indicate race is a bigger factor than gender, at least for hiring and salary. This sub should really have a sticky megathread re the gender pay gap IMHO. lower average household income, though that's likely due to spouse choice/lack thereof True, and that's also going to be a big part of why they're more likely to be breadwinner/HOH assuming that classification includes single moms. Intersectionality would asse…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:37 AM
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Black women doing better than black men. That undercuts the premise that racism+sexism is dramatically worse than just racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:45 AM
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Wait isn't this basically the plot of "Good Luck Chuck", a terrible movie about a guy where all his exes marry the next guy they date after him
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:07 AM
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Oh look, a statistical argument against intersectionality
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:02 AM
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Lol yup, meanwhile I'm 36 and there are ladies my age going out with dudes in their forties. There's a lot going on with this though... First, there's the general "life-script" expectation that once you hit 30 (regardless of gender) you're supposed to be getting serious/respectable about your lifestyle, career, and partner. I don't ascribe to this but I recognize it in a large percentage of muggles especially my ex (who is my age) so I'm a bit biased here. So: when a man of a certain age wants t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 03:15 PM
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Ridiculous. Not everyone is constantly worried about "attention and validation", really just people who are starved of those things and or very insecure. Also I'd disagree that men paying for sex and women giving it up for free are effective ways to get validation. Even if any of this made sense, it wouldn't be "the reason" for the sexual double standard on N-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 01:33 PM
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I'm reminded of a Seinfeld bit: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/497643-the-basic-conflict-between-men-and-women-sexually-is-that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 10:15 PM
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Fair point. I know some, and I know there are others I don't know because most women I dated didn't give honest feedback of what the real problem was, or even if it was their personal issue or my red flag. Sometimes I'll stubbornly pry the truth out, usually I'll just leave it be. I guess the "silly" ones have mostly been culture/values clashes, because I have a so many unconventional views on so much that I feel like I can't afford to hold out for someone with exactly my values or even close. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 01:45 AM
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I think the root reason for this is other social forces that are not just about hetero sex issues. We all have a general gut feeling that there's too many damn humans on the planet already and the world's many problems will only get worse if we keep procreating faster than people die. Legally marriage is a bad deal for men at least in most of the US. Also there's generational stuff going on: young people aren't financially stable enough to blow money on a wedding, let alone support raising a chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 01:19 AM
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I don't see it as a matter of respect or a maybe backup 2nd choice thing, more like I meet somebody awesome when it's bad timing for them or for me so I'm like "mm, save you for later..." in a theoretical future when we're both ready. And until then, we just hang out like people. It's just that I've noticed a pattern where as soon as she realizes I'll offer emotional support without going for something physical (by taking advantage of the emotional vulnerability, which I see as morally far worse…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 01:02 AM
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First off, good for you for actually having conversations about real shit with male friends. That's awesome and rare. But I take issue with: But we would never date. That's the limit we've set and it's the only reason they value my input. I fully believe that if we dated they would change and start claiming emotions, not logic, are my main drive and stop hearing me. I've done this too and I don't just value their input because of the boundary, i value it because they're my friend and we're being…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 11:45 PM
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Who are you showing it off to anyway? "and all the girls walked by, dressed up for each other" -Van Morrison
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 11:08 PM
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