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Funny how we're all giving that girl the 'just be yourself' advice here :)
/r/seduction13/07/15 07:16 AM
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Great stuff. One improvement I've learned from experience: Usually that entails taking 10 seconds to find something, anything to ask her about. Don't ask, instead simply comment. Asking stuff as an opener is a subtle turn-off as you are 'demanding' something - typing out an answer - from the very start. Counter-intuitive? Sure, but that goes for many things on this site - give it a shot and watch your reply rate soar.
/r/seduction14/04/15 07:48 PM
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Proclaiming yourself a hopeless romantic is actually by itself a pretty great thing to do when it comes to seduction, but that's a topic for another day :)
/r/seduction09/04/15 11:44 AM
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Her taste!
/r/seduction08/04/15 05:42 PM
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I spent about 8 years being very much into, well, girls, and following the seduction community and things like that (with my 'claim to fame' being apparently to introduce the 'wait' going-for-the-kiss line that to my delight seems to have shown some ongoing appeal). Now, all those great experiences, lessons learned, successes and 'failures', from multiple-year relations to one-night stands in exotic locations abroad, outcome independence, increase in confidence, etc etc... led to the moment wher…
/r/seduction08/04/15 04:41 PM
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Try this: stop 'giving a fuck' about any 'closing', and just focus (and do give a fuck) on making a friend. Obviously there's a lot more to say about the topic, but I've found that reframing things in your head to 'making friends' is one great way to lessen the fuck-giving.
/r/seduction08/04/15 12:24 PM
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You're a good sport and step back and stop flirting as soon as you note your friend is interested of course! Plenty of girls to go around. Even better is to take it a step further, and fully support / wingman him in any case you can, for example by leaving them alone, or by letting him do more of the talking etc... It's karma, and will pay off :) Two notes: careful that you stopping flirting and stepping back and becoming more 'aloof' is not actually making you the more attractive one to her! (w…
/r/seduction08/04/15 12:17 PM
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That was me :) Glad you like it!
/r/seduction02/04/15 07:35 PM
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OP's post is a bit... old-fashioned it feels.
/r/seduction14/10/14 03:03 PM
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Attractive and interesting women don't put themselves on the internet to meet men because they don't need to. That's just a fact. No it's not. You're forgetting that for some people online dating is not a 'need', like the typical desperately-looking-for-love cliche... It's simply fun and adventurous. Attractive girls can find themselves stuck in a bit of a 'limited' social circle just like anybody else (e.g. just moved into a new town, or they had the same small group of nerdy friends since high…
/r/seduction14/10/14 06:20 AM
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I'll grant you that pictures are the most important thing there is, but 'hitting the numbers hard'... Dunno, strikes me as a bit crude - you can also communicate in such a way that you get at least a third of people messaging you back, and frankly I like that approach better.
/r/seduction14/10/14 06:17 AM
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Powerful as though this experience may turn out to be, it is worth pointing out that it's still nice to be, well... Nice. Attack the behavior, not the person.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/14 09:50 AM
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Shame that it escalated so much over text in a way - without the possibility to actually make it happen right there in that atmosphere. Expect to have to build up rapport again from the start, as if those texts never happen. But no worries it'll be fun. One point to think about, as not many beginners do: LOGISTICS! Are you practically set up for the best case scenario? (i.e. meeting close to your place, where you got wine or whatever and no flatmates or whatever)
/r/TheRedPill02/10/14 05:27 PM
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may ... because you never know! :)
/r/seduction11/08/14 11:41 AM
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Wonderful! It's what I've been telling friends for a long time as well, but never managed to put it quite as thoroughly as he did. Options, options, options. (I also like that 'golden era' thing he talks about in a linked article by the way - I remember like yesterday when I had that, and it rang very very true. Also the fact that it's never gonna be like that again :( )
/r/seduction10/08/14 05:42 PM
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I've been meaning to write a post about this very subject, but didn't get around to it. Here is something you almost never hear in tips about making conversation, and I think it damages things: It's ok to talk about yourself. Of course, listening to the other person and showing genuine interest is extremely important as well, but you've read that already a million times. What is so powerful about the above fact, is that it is what friends do. If you run into a friend, you talk about yourself and…
/r/seduction09/08/14 02:24 PM
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Just walk backwards away and do the 'call me' gesture for maximum lols. This is genius, and this by itself may actually cause me to go and approach more women.
/r/seduction04/08/14 04:49 PM
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Thanks! (interestingly, pretty much out of the blue last night I decided to put the business aside and ended up with what appears to be a pretty great girl so hey, perhaps the love side of 2014 can still be saved after all!)
/r/seduction14/07/14 06:02 PM
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Online marketplace for gift coupons, something a bit like groupon - starting out as locally as possible so I can brute force the 'chicken and egg' problem by stopping by at local stores and trying to convince them to join. So, not much action, but definitely an interesting project for the social skills!
/r/seduction14/07/14 06:26 AM
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I'm on the other side of this coin now - love wise this year has been a major dud so far, but having loads of fun with my startup! (which I could definitely not dedicate this much time and energy to if I were worrying after girls more. Hard to find a good balance though, being single / not getting lots of action is getting annoying too at times)
/r/seduction13/07/14 05:18 PM
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This bugged me as well... So ok, you have to think about emotions/motivations/character traits... So what does that mean you SAY? I concluded he simply implied that, in reaction to somebody sharing a fact about themselves, you talk/ask about the emotions/motivations/character traits behind it. So to 'I moved to Sweden from Argenty' you would say for example 'man that must be scary'. ...I think.
/r/seduction11/07/14 10:12 AM
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Holy shit, around the 26:00 mark where he demonstrates for that girl how he changes the way he talks and she gets all giddy right away.
/r/seduction11/07/14 08:16 AM
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God, for me resisting the urge to tell my own story is SO difficult. I know it can do more harm then good, and I also think I'm a pretty good listener, but somehow it is so deeply ingrained in me that if somebody shares a story, I'll want to share a similar one I lived to show I relate to them.
/r/seduction09/06/14 08:39 AM
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while introverts are less likely to be needy and more outcome-independent. Why would that be so?
/r/seduction25/05/14 12:44 PM
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Yeah same here - if somebody turns down exchanging numbers, it's because you're asking too soon.
/r/seduction17/03/14 07:59 PM
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I always use "let's", making it like a 'group activity'. Let's exchange phone numbers! Or, which I like better because it fits my conversational style better somehow: let's do the whole exchanging phone number thingy!
/r/seduction17/03/14 07:19 PM
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Concrete, succinct, actionable advice with some numbers to back it up. Great contribution, thanks for writing it up!
/r/seduction17/03/14 07:18 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/seduction26/01/14 01:51 PM
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That's what happens when you deal with friend-zones, and there's no avoiding it. Sure there is. Try getting over your crush on your friend by dating some other girls, for example.
/r/seduction26/01/14 01:04 PM
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sigh finally somebody says it. Sub's ok, this thread is kinda weird but that's because obviously OP is waaaay weird. But it's nice that he's posting his experience though.
/r/seduction26/01/14 01:03 PM
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Kid's 19...
/r/seduction26/01/14 01:00 PM
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Replace 'nice guy' with 'chill out cool girl' and 'sex' with 'relationship' and you have the gender-switched version.
/r/seduction26/01/14 02:09 AM
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'Internalized' has nothing to do with it - you can be 100% consistent in your behavior and this can still happen. The problem (or, well, challenge) lies in the fact that seduction is like 90% about attraction, whereas in a relationship attraction's only the beginning. If you're fiercely independent for example, this may very well be partbof the attraction at the start, and part of conflict during the relationship. Making her laugh all the time is wonderful when all you do is going on dates, but …
/r/seduction10/01/14 07:34 AM
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That's because seduction and being in a happy relationship are 2 different things. In many aspects, and this often drives me mad, they are quite the opposite.
/r/seduction10/01/14 12:04 AM
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I found the article to be pretty actionable. Make more friends. Stop whining. Stop the 'pedestal' thingie.Etc...
/r/seduction26/12/13 02:26 PM
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A tad too extreme for me to ever adopt, but definitely a great way to put the correct perspective on things. Great!
/r/seduction22/12/13 01:00 AM
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I just realized I've been subconsciously doing this all my life. It's great, and for all the reasons depicted in the article. To be more specific, the 'pattern' I've always kinda had in my head is: it's easier to talk to groups than individuals, and the smaller the group the better. So if you don't see groups of 2 (that contain a girl, to stick to the theme of our sub), go for groups for 3 or 4 and all the benefits still apply. It's worth stating this a bit more explicitly: if you can choose bet…
/r/seduction15/11/13 01:31 AM
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That quote right there is fucking sidebar material. Awesome.
/r/seduction15/11/13 01:16 AM
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For some reason, I could picture the kind of guy you're describing really well (good job), and I've run into people like that as well. And you know what? I can't stand them. Call me irrational, but I can't help it.
/r/seduction15/11/13 01:15 AM
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People love saying the '5 minutes thing', but it implies that girls don't judge a guy based on what they gradually learn about him. I guess what you could say, though I doubt even that, is that girls can tell if they would fuck/date a guy very soon. That is, they will exclude the guys that have too terrible looks/body language/social skills for them to ever like. But for the not-obviously-repulsive amongst us (and that's 90% of guys), VERY OFTEN a girl will at the start just decide 'meh, he's no…
/r/seduction14/11/13 09:17 AM
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Girls can tell if they're gonna fuck/date a guy from the 5 minutes they meet him. Such great stuff and then you mess it up with this nonsense.
/r/seduction14/11/13 12:05 AM
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Just recently I've started dating girls for their personalities and I've been significantly happier Haha I love how blunt - and true - that is.
/r/seduction04/11/13 10:46 PM
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I mean as in, jokes that risk the girl being offended or you coming accross as a douche/nerd/... somehow. Making fun of her in some way even though you just met, making fun of yourself (possibly about antics/habits you have with girls), jokes which heavily generalize about women which can easily come accross as sexist, etc... In short, the kind of jokes that is kinda high-risk high-reward if you want.
/r/seduction22/10/13 11:53 AM
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Because it only states a relationship in one direction: truly confident -> these 9 traits. The opposite may (and indeed does) not always hold true. As for true confidence with women, the clearest indicators of that I have found in myself in periods of high confidence with women would be: talking about cool aspects of my life to them without feeling conscious about 'showing off'. take more 'risks' when joking, both in real life and through messaging and stuff like that. never explicitely consider…
/r/seduction21/10/13 06:23 PM
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Not sure if you are kidding or not, but saying it like that is actually quite likely to be taken as an insult :)
/r/seduction08/10/13 09:46 PM
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That dress looks nice on you, I love how you've contrasted it with your shoes, and how bright they are, it brings attention to your legs, a good way to show off your assets. I also love to see someone who is not just colour coordinated, but knows how to properly accessories, by matching their earrings with their bag Oh man, we have different definitions of easy conversation ;)
/r/seduction08/10/13 09:44 PM
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I just realized I by far the most often say the second type, "that is a nice dress". And I'll keep doing that, because when I give a compliment about a dress, I mean it that it's about the dress. OP fails to mention that the second one also indirectly compliments her taste by the way. That's a pretty damn powerful thing to compliment a woman on.
/r/seduction08/10/13 09:43 PM
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but there's gotta be something about that one girl. And you know what? That's perfectly fine. Racking up numbers is one thing, but if you never have that super special head over heels oh my god can't imagine being with anybody else feeling ever in your life, your missing out just as much as that guy that marries his first girlfriend, just on another level. I say, play the field for long enough to gain both skills and perspective, then use both of those to get your The One and never look back :)
/r/seduction07/10/13 11:40 AM
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That's all very good and all, but I've said it before and I said it again: when your life will be over, many years from now, there WILL have been a girl that was the most amazing girl you met in your life. Not the most amazing girl in the world, mind you, but the most amazing girl that you met. I had a friend meet my gf for the first time this weekend, and afterwards he said 'yup, she sure is enough like [ex] to be a good match with you'. Implying that said ex is the yardstick against which to m…
/r/seduction07/10/13 12:43 AM
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It helps to make vaguer plans. Vague, and different. Don't go to the same place, and perhaps have some different people than usual around, and don't put a friggin' number on your plans that you tie to its 'success', that's just asking to be afraid of failure. I just realized an interesting rule of thumb I've used subconsciously all my life: make plans that consist of 'checking out' something. Think about it, that's both low-pressure and adventurous and a mindset for experiencing new things, incl…
/r/seduction29/09/13 08:37 PM
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Also, it's nice to have friends. They make life better many ways.
/r/seduction27/09/13 07:42 AM
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Wow, awesome - I've always struggled to find a non-offensive way to tell women their dating advice is ... well, not always useful. But this is it!
/r/seduction12/09/13 06:24 PM
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Interesting book from the perspective of a woman who spent one year living disguised as a man: Self-made man. Not all parts are equally good, imho she put herself in many situations that were far too 'extreme' to show any realistic insight in what it's like being a man - but the most 'realistic' parts, the one at the start with the bowling guys, and the online dating experiences, were really fun to read. Interesting perspective for either gender.
/r/seduction12/09/13 06:23 PM
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No it doesn't, it made your post annoying to read IMHO. The message is a not a bad one though, but it was despite, not because the lengthy apologetic disclaimers that people like it.
/r/seduction12/09/13 08:47 AM
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Haha, oh my, I feel you with those 'head decides to explode in the middle of flirty banter' moments. Been there. Also, lesson learned: if you're planning to propose an activity, have one in your head before asking. Less stressy that way :)
/r/seduction06/09/13 01:51 PM
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Excellent - would be a shame to not at least conclude that experience with some more regular dating if you clicked so well (or, well, at least seeing her naked :))
/r/seduction03/09/13 04:22 PM
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Aaaaaaah that instant date with the Eastern European girl. For those reading this: forget about scoring numbers and preventing flakes and whatnot - things like that instant date are the highest goal and what's life is all about if you ask me. Those moments when you feel like you're living some kind of edgy romcom. It made me think back of similar moments and brought a huge grin on my face. Thanks for that. Good stuff.
/r/seduction03/09/13 03:01 PM
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ITT: either people that get that this article (starting with the submission title) is bollocks, or asshole commenters.
/r/seduction03/09/13 02:58 PM
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True, and not just a rehash of stuff we've all read 100 times before here. Thanks for sharing, and good luck on the quest!
/r/seduction28/08/13 04:41 PM
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Interestingly, I've argued the same a short while ago, but for entirely different reasons. Can't be bothered to dig up that post now though, sorry.
/r/seduction28/08/13 11:49 AM
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It very much should be - whether or not you are a douchebag to women stands rather orthogonally to whether or not you run any conscious 'game' on them. As for the book by Strauss, it really is quite amazing - the guy is just such a good writer. I failed to google the specific passage I refered to in my earlier comment, but here are some other nice quotes from the book. Hmmm, should I go and read it for the 5th time? (note that I am not a 'The Game' fanatic - I habitually re-read books, and for e…
/r/seduction26/08/13 03:37 PM
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An illustration of (what for OP and probably many others is a) succesful outcome if you did it right.
/r/seduction26/08/13 10:21 AM
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Oooooh, a tantalizing thought - are there any exes running around that have a new guy and think 'man, this is not how choc_is_back would handle that...'
/r/seduction26/08/13 10:20 AM
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Strauss put something among these lines very eloquently in his The Game book. Like, girls typically are the 'gatekeepers' to sex, guys the 'gatekeepers' to relationships. Which is one of the reasons girls tend to be reluctant to sleep with a guy they like too early, on a gut level: as soon as they do, the ball's in his court again, and they gave up the 'control' they have of whether to accept/refuse his proposal for sex, and the situation changes where he now has the 'control' to accept/refuse h…
/r/seduction26/08/13 10:19 AM
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But: you do feel similar about her, right? True 'value' in a relation is only if it is exchanged, not if you can go 'yes, I gave the girl some value!'. I guess my question is, did you reply to her with a similarly grateful and 'vulnerable' text?
/r/seduction26/08/13 10:13 AM
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They want you to be interesting though.
/r/seduction17/08/13 09:37 PM
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I know half of this sub is supposed to be about self-improvement and all that inner-ish stuff but: HIGH F*CKING FIVE
/r/seduction17/08/13 09:32 PM
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Go in with a wingman.
/r/seduction17/08/13 09:08 PM
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WTF... Please detail more on those 2 pretty legendary minutes!
/r/seduction17/08/13 08:40 PM
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Actually, I've felt like that, and even though there's always definitely a DM;HS feeling in there, it can still suck, even as a guy, that a girl sleeps with you and then disappears.
/r/seduction03/08/13 06:32 PM
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Awesome story :-) Fuck, I'm trying to remember my first 'wait' now, but I really don't have a clue... Stupid drunk (lack of) memory :(
/r/seduction31/07/13 07:50 AM
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How can you ever know she's the best unless you meet and date other girls That's true, you can't. That's the bitch about this whole thing, that you basically only know it the day you die :) (or technically, during your very last relationship I guess)
/r/seduction20/07/13 02:37 PM
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Then again, some girls really are. As soon as you admit that not all girls are equal, it is a mathematical fact that some girls are gonna be better than others, and yes one girl is gonna be the best girl you ever met in your entire life. Let's call it the Weierstrass theorem of dating ;) Not among all girls in the world, but more relevantly among girls you meet. The meet-other-girls advice to get over her still stands of course, but there's also no point denying it.
/r/seduction19/07/13 01:54 PM
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It's risky - you are betting a lot on simply her memory. Best way is to just call her (yes you pussy, CALL her) and agree on a moment. 'hey are you free tomorrow? No, ok, friday? No, ok, how about somewhere next week then - I'm pretty busy then to but let's talk again later and see if we busy folks can get our schedules to match. [maffia bossy voice] I'll have my people call your people ;)"
/r/seduction19/07/13 01:49 PM
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Firefighter-Paramedic Oh don't worry, you'll be allright ;)
/r/seduction18/07/13 12:53 PM
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Unfortunately, this, too me, is still one of the biggest enigma's of seduction :( I would never approach a group, and often find myself frustrated of not being able to create a natural 'alone' moment with a girl I have set eyes on. Curious if any others have more wisdom than me in this department!
/r/seduction15/07/13 10:49 PM
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For maximum results of interesting-ness: these should be in reverse order.
/r/seduction15/07/13 10:43 PM
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An interesting aspect though is that the girl will often give you these at the start, at the very moment she decides 'ok, I want to get to know this guy better.' So while avoiding them themselves is one obvious lesson, there is something interesting to say about techniques of getting out of the interview topics too :)
/r/seduction15/07/13 10:39 PM
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Want a new challenge? Well, you climbed Mt. Everest, only to find that there is ANOTHER Mt. Everest standing just next to it ... :-D Great story and nice takeaways on the whole shit-tests-and-logistics stuff, congrats!
/r/seduction15/07/13 10:37 PM
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I wrote another comment in this thread on a different tangent, but let me just also add: YES, just like the most important advice is for us men, the biggest thing you can do is get over the AA and talk to him! This is a nerve-wracking thought isn't it? Welcome to our world :) (the good thing is, you really can take things in your hands and improve on this, even as a girl) More concretely: if you go up to a guy at a moment that he is not surrounded by friends or on his way to the bathroom or some…
/r/seduction15/07/13 10:34 PM
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Most are definitely not interchangable. What women like in men, and what men like in women, is often very different. HOWEVER, a funny observation: a lot of the psychology behind this stuff relies on the fact that attractive women are used to having a choice in guys, and in having guys try to kiss their ass all the time. The funny thing is that guys who are very successful with women will share this psychology. And thus as a consequence, they will be fascinated by a girl doing this kind of stuff,…
/r/seduction15/07/13 10:23 PM
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Armchair philosopher also, no?
/r/seduction15/07/13 10:07 PM
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The biggest and most important 'not typically alpha' skill in my book is having - and not being scared to mention - passions and feelings, however 'un-seductive' that may be perceived. That said, we should kill the whole 'alpha/beta' terminology thing with fire.
/r/seduction15/07/13 01:13 PM
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Hehe, no need to modify what you said - I guess it's better concluded that we came up with a third possibility beyond the first 2 you listed: driving her away because you're not aware that what you say will have a bad effect on the attraction driving her away because you do/say something that, well, is universally a dickish thing to do/say and our new third: driving her away because, while you are aware that what you say may have a bad effect on the attraction, but you decide to run with it anyw…
/r/seduction13/07/13 06:38 PM
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OMG I do this all the time, but I never realized it until now. This is a great 'lets make a vague technique concrete' moment for the seduction community right there folks, this should be sidebarred under 'situational openers'. Another one of these is 'agree and amplify', the great concretisation of 'cocky and funny'. Good stuff.
/r/seduction12/07/13 04:43 PM
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Here's my goto 'FUCK I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING' opinion opener, which has a certain elegance to it: Hey, excuse me (she stops). I could use a woman's opinion on something: does it ever really work as a man to approach a woman out of the blue? Like, you see somebody, you think they have great style, and you would love to have a conversation with them, or at least compliment them. Is there any way you can do that without seeming like a creep you think? There are many fun ways to keep this going depe…
/r/seduction12/07/13 04:43 PM
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Replying to a question - and thus, implicitly, telling her that you expect a reply - is still work that you, the stranger, impose on her. More work than just giving her the gift 'here is a short and fun thing I have to say'. Of course, none of all this is a hard rule, so she might respond to a question if she likes you. And, like you say, if she wants to reply, you would think that giving her a question makes it easier on her. Here's the funny thing though: coming up with something to reply to a…
/r/seduction12/07/13 02:50 PM
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Good points :) However, I am fairly certain I am not a dick. I am also fairly certain I am not the most fun company to a certain subset of people. If anybody reads this comment and finds themselves thinking choc, if you do that to me you ARE a dick, that would wonderfully prove the point I'm about to make. There's a whole range of actions you can do, or things you can say, that are not 'being a dick', but will still be disliked by some people. Often, I very much sense that what I am about to do …
/r/seduction12/07/13 09:59 AM
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No need to worry - it's a lot easier to 'restore' attraction and earlier rapport than it is to create it from scratch, you have a bit of an in-joke now, you are a little coffee club. So my 'starting from scratch' was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else. You will have to recreate the attraction, but hey, that's what interesting lovers/men do anyway even years into marriage. You can do it!
/r/seduction12/07/13 09:43 AM
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'A single week?' I've had girls make out with me and than be stone cold forever minutes later for something I did/said. (one of the rarely discussed drawbacks of really always having a bit of a DGAF attitude, not just when it's useful for seduction purposes - be warned :)) Start from scratch.
/r/seduction12/07/13 12:34 AM
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People who are a little crazy, and who will just start talking to anyone regardless of context Ah, yes, that would be me :-D
/r/seduction11/07/13 04:31 PM
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The biggest things to bear in mind are: come accross as a fun person (duh) stand out from the rest (duh, though you'd be surprised), and don't impose work on the other person (and BINGO, this is the one 99% of guys are clueless about) People know they have to seem nice, and ideally stand out, but forget that above all that another consequence of girls getting tons of messages is that giving her work makes you come across a bad, inconsiderate and boring, and thus dangerous for wasting a night on …
/r/seduction11/07/13 04:26 PM
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I got a response to a lot more than 10% of my messages on okc (took me a while to figure out the correct style though). They took less than 6 minutes to write as well, but I guess you have to build in browsing for interesting girls. So not sure what the 'recommended targeted message' is, but I'm sure I can do better.
/r/seduction11/07/13 03:53 PM
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I had a period of 2 years or so where I went pretty heavy on the OkCupid. In my opinion online dating is great, as long as you don't pin your hopes desperately on it. It's just one more way to get dates (and I love going on dates :)) just like approaching a girl anywhere else and asking her number, or getting to talk to somebody at a party and agreeing to meet again, etc... The real action is during the date, not online. And just like any other situation, it's hit or miss. In my experience, the …
/r/seduction11/07/13 03:51 PM
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You have an interestingly opposite perspective compared to the classical 'your opener does not matter'... Nice read! And nice to see you are forcing yourself to go out and do those approaches you are considering (I like that 5 rule! First I was like, wait, don't these kids have enough with Mystery's 3-second rule anymore? But it's different and better), no matter what people here type, that's pretty awesome and takes balls. Typing a snarky reply on an anonymous internet forum on the other hand, …
/r/seduction11/07/13 03:41 PM
1

That goes without saying.
/r/seduction10/07/13 11:58 PM
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There's many reasons one wants to be good at seduction, and while getting hot women in bed is almost always a part of the process, it's not the end goal for many people. So somebody thinking "I'm so lonely, I wish I could find that special girl for me", who would clearly find great value in the journey of improving seduction skills, could think "these guys are only looking to getting girls in bed, this is clearly not the place where I can improve my life"
/r/seduction10/07/13 09:16 PM
1

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
/r/seduction10/07/13 08:55 PM
1

Well, that can be a possible turn-off for the wrong reason for potential people that would otherwise be 'valuable' members, both in the sense that seduction may greatly improve their lives, and if it does, that they may share back with the community on their experiences.
/r/seduction10/07/13 08:54 PM
1

Meh, this sounds dangerously like "don't look for concrete advice, just be yourself! FUCK YES!' to me. Nice rethoric, but don't let what he says make you give up on a girl too early.
/r/seduction10/07/13 10:21 AM
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Your second time of game does not compete with the first type you describe, it adds to it. That said, I like your idea that calibration could become a major next focus. Currently, almost all strategies/advice leave who/how the girl is/seemed very much as a side note. And with reason: general seduction advice and strategy is, well, general. People objecting with 'but but this or that special girl would never fall for that' (including girls thinking that) tend to be wrong most of the time. But the…
/r/seduction09/07/13 11:00 PM
1

Massive props for actually posting a picture together with your description.
/r/seduction09/07/13 10:47 PM
1

My personal rules, with very few exceptions, has been for the past few years: jeans + shirt + (if the weather allows it) blazer. It's often a tad more 'chic' than everybody in informal environments, and a tad more casual than everybody in formal environments. Both of those effects are ok in my book. That said, with fashion I find it really hard to judge whether success with women comes because of it, despite of it, or just independently of it.
/r/seduction09/07/13 10:46 PM
2

Well said.
/r/seduction09/07/13 10:37 PM
1

Haha, yeah, I was actually quite enjoying inventing a 'FR step syntax' like that. Shall we write a little paper on it? :)
/r/seduction09/07/13 05:40 PM
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I like that :-) Though there's often still use in indicating, when there's more than one girl involved, who the 'better' one is, as they will often be very aware of this themselves and it will influence behavior. (just think about the commonly related case of 'start talking to the uglier one first', which has a purpose even if in the end you are attracted to both of them)
/r/seduction09/07/13 03:41 PM
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I have no idea who could actually think this would work. Actually, even phrasing it like this will already be offensive to many people. 'work'? like you're mastering people some kind of 'system'???? Obviously, those people should be ignored - but still.
/r/seduction09/07/13 10:10 AM
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For some reason I like that 'game' a lot, because it's so short, silly, and you can see from the first second where you wanna go with it :) I'd say, nice 'bridge' to transition between never having a clue when/how to kiss a girl, to just doing it all the time without bothering too much.
/r/seduction09/07/13 10:03 AM
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I - do - understand how it's supposed to be used in seduction context in fact (I mentioned a fairly old but greatly detailed post on seddit clarifying the HB meaning elsewhere in this thread but I couldn't find it. this comment does the job pretty well though), but for the reasons stated in my OP I'd be hard-pressed to use the system anyway :) In any case thanks for taking the time to point out some Mystery History (ha!), always interesting.
/r/seduction09/07/13 12:37 AM
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Actually, the fact that it is dense with jargon by itself is not disturbing at all for me. For all I care your story could have been written like: [FR:HB8(2AFC,1AMOG,0GF)]->[AA++]Direct+Neg->IOI+Kino->K-close. ... and the only point about my OP would still have only been about the 8 in that formula. As I stated elsewhere, my education/background is pretty heavy on the symbols/formulas anyway so I would feel quite ridiculous denying their general value. Of course, nothing new of value is shared w…
/r/seduction09/07/13 12:31 AM
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Ok, I'll humor you, because I appreciate the effort you are putting in making your argument. And because you're so infuriatingly almost right in interpreting what I say :) But, really, however much you try to fit it in, what I think of 'numbering women' by itself really does not enter the argument. I didn't even mention that yet, and if I did that was poor wording on my part, and what's more your if I indeed were talking about me disliking the habit of numbering women in seddit your points on th…
/r/seduction09/07/13 12:22 AM
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It's arguably a rather extreme case, but, yes, I do believe that it falls under that category, and yes I even believe that it can work. (99% of the time though, I personally suspect it would EXTREMELY backfire and I would never go for that approach myself. But that doesn't change my point)
/r/seduction08/07/13 11:24 PM
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There is a clear definition, which is how the author is perceiving her status Ok I take it then that you made an innocent mistake in your earlier comment ('everything with how she is perceiving her status'). Fair enough. But I am aware that I am starting to sound increasingly negative, argumentative and nitpicky here and I don't like being like that. Apologies for that, and thanks for taking the time to join the discussion rather than dismissing me outright as a troll :) As I said earlier, I hav…
/r/seduction08/07/13 11:21 PM
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You could say that my issue is not with 'society', but rather by how 'society' perceives the seduction community. We are not the frat boy bunch that you illustrate so well, and frankly, it's a shame that people mistake us for it. (apart from the more subtle point that becomes apparent in other parts of this thread: our numbering does not even hold the same meaning as it does to those frat boys. It just happens to look exactly the same to those not in on it.)
/r/seduction08/07/13 11:15 PM
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how she is perceiving her status Or how the author of the FR is perceiving her status (my HB9 may be your HB6, right?). Or no wait, how the other people at the venue were generally perceiving her status (see the birthday party example). Or no wait... See? Even we on seddit cannot agree on a clear definition. Add that together with people new to FRs simply thinking yet another way (i.e. the mainstream 'physical looks' way), and I think the case for it being 'efficient communication of an idea tha…
/r/seduction08/07/13 11:07 PM
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I agree with what you say about jargon being integral to a sub-culture. That's normal, that's how you manage to efficiently talk about what matters rather than having to explain things over and over again. The problem is with jargon that is loaded with connotation without it needing to be, and if this being. A very similar case could be made for gaming culture and all its jargon, which is fine, but the frequent use of 'rape' for beating somebody in a game (typically fragging - ha! - in a FPS - h…
/r/seduction08/07/13 11:02 PM
2

I know I know, and in fact there was a pretty well-written detailed post specifically on this a while - like a year or so - back (that I didn't manage to dig up unfortunately). But let's be honest, while the 'value' interpretation is by far the most useful one when discussing seduction, it's also one that was added to the whole numbering thing a posteriori. Numbering girls predates the internet, and has always meant to rate purely physical attractiveness (i.e. it's fun to do it when looking at g…
/r/seduction08/07/13 10:45 PM
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As a physicist, I see where you're coming from ;) if people are judging us based solely on this specific jargon, then I would argue that the likelihood that individual is inherently judgmental is very high The problem with specifically the HB notation, as opposed to many other jargon we use, is that the practice of assigning girls a number is known in the mainstream (and predates the whole seduction community). It is not just a technical term that is normal not to be understood if you didn't spe…
/r/seduction08/07/13 10:41 PM
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(reddit's spam protection and/or site down mechanism was giving me a bit of trouble submitting this, so apologies if this post is there more than once)
/r/seduction08/07/13 09:28 PM
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You know what they say, half the work is getting out of your chair :) (or something like that)
/r/seduction08/07/13 09:22 PM
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OP of this post here. While it's tempting to just report you to the mods for unconstructive name-calling, I'm a bit scared that they may then remove it and cause you to make a fuzz for 'THE CREEPY SEDDIT MODS ARE TRYING TO SILENCE ME' or something on the likes. I don't know you, so sorry if fearing that is greatly underestimating your maturity. So let's just keep it at: I respectfully disagree :)
/r/seduction08/07/13 08:09 PM
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Well, obviously. Being the change I want to see in the world and all that :) But a conscious decision by the community (i.e. a highly-upvoted post by a mod arguing it, an explicit guideline in the sidebar and/or when posting a new post...) could make a great difference.
/r/seduction08/07/13 07:22 PM
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Sounds good - a reply saying 'I tried this, and rather than OP's reaction, I got [what you got]' would be incredibly valuable.
/r/seduction08/07/13 07:10 PM
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Ooooh, fascinating one! No clue though :)
/r/seduction08/07/13 07:06 PM
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...Which is exactly what I did :) Anything we can do to make you guys' work a bit more bearable - must be pretty tough as it is modding such a controversial sub.
/r/seduction08/07/13 07:04 PM
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You know what would be a 'low hanging fruit' change that would make a HUGE difference in how this whole seduction thing is perceived? Drop de HB notation entirely. It is very often the thing that is off-putting to new-comers, because it is so blatantly objectifying the woman, even though it's implicit that this is just a convenient way to indicate level of physical attractiveness and/or relative 'status' of her. I personally dislike it because the negative effect of objectifying the girl outweig…
/r/seduction08/07/13 06:59 PM
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Useful way to interpret it: "just be as relaxed during conversations with women as you would be with friends." Harmful way to interpret it: "don't try to change your life even if you are not satisfied with (aspects of) it."
/r/seduction08/07/13 05:04 PM
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Careful with that one though - it runs the risk of making them more interested :) I've found the easiest way to become close friends with a woman (and assuring it's mutual) is to invite her to talk about her feelings / romantic events surrounding other men in her life. And of course be genuinely interested in those things as well, because that's what friends are. Because, well, that's the kind of stuff you always do between friends all the time, and never with somebody you want/have a 'spark' wi…
/r/seduction08/07/13 05:00 PM
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I do like this advice though, even if we're just gonna be shallow and interpret it in the physical sense. I interpret it as follows, and see it as only the very basic starting point of whoever wants to be more attractive to the other gender: Try to look your best whenever you're out. Shower daily and brush your teeth. Don't give your gender of preference a reason to dismiss you before you even had a chance to learn about each other's personality. If we interpret it in the wider (and far more rel…
/r/seduction08/07/13 04:55 PM
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Aha, makes a bit more sense then, yes. Fighting the urge to go in that thread and start arguing... (and succesfully - I mean the urge fighting - because, well, it wouldn't make any difference)
/r/seduction08/07/13 04:33 PM
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That's good to hear - thanks for your reply, and keep fightin' the good fight of making seddit the great community and information-source that it is!
/r/seduction08/07/13 04:31 PM
1

Yeeeeha, summer's here baby! My take/experience in this, laid (HA) in easy to follow steps for you: Assure you are sometimes in the crowd alone and away from your friend group. Easy way is to offer to get their drinks, slightly ballsier way is to say 'hang on' and go approach a girl (or group) you see. As always, but even easier if the crowd has the kind of energy you describe, get TOUCHY quickly. Spontaneously dancing and hugging is great for this. How to go from good time to makeout? First ste…
/r/seduction08/07/13 03:37 PM
1

I love sinns blog - shame he doesn't post all that often anymore, but it's very down to earth, and really feels like he is just 'one of the guys'.
/r/seduction08/07/13 03:27 PM
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Most of my pickup success comes from night game with me being completely wasted and 'gaming' girls who are, well, less drunk :)
/r/seduction08/07/13 03:25 PM
2

David Deangelo. His Double Your Dating newsletter (and e-book) was my first contact with pickup, and 3 important lessons from it are still very important to me, and still often the first I give to people new to this: Take care of yourself. Having good hygiene and clothes will not make a girl choose you, but not having them can cause her not to choose you. An extremely effective tool for answering 'though questions' is Agree And Amplify (the principle way he explained his 'cocky and funny' stuff)…
/r/seduction08/07/13 03:24 PM
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I've had a bunch as well - though surely a lot less than most experienced guys here - and I hate clubs and suck at dancing, and thanks to my lifelong infatuation with junk food my body is not exactly what you would call 'hot'. It happens mostly during travels where I actually do go to clubs more often, and there's the whole more-social and more-exotic factor I guess. Often you also start out immediately with free 'impressive' bonus points by the mere fact that you can speak the local language. M…
/r/seduction08/07/13 03:20 PM
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You do realize you are on /r/seduction right? That's like going to /r/nofap and going 'yeah suuure, you not fapping for an entire month?' Why the fuck are people upvoting this guy? Please kindly go away from this sub if you don't believe that spectacularly successful pickups can be a reality. That's like, the only point to being here.
/r/seduction08/07/13 01:00 PM
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That. Was. Awesome. You have balls of steel, or more realistically a healthy 'what the hell let's see where this goes' addittude that can only come from a great life and lots of experience. Kudos, seriously. To me the point where I was thinking 'nailed it' was when you refused even to even share your name to not distract from the main topic at hand :-D Also, obviously your guess regarding HB8 was correct. Women...
/r/seduction08/07/13 12:55 PM
2

Still bad. Calling shouldn't take long either.
/r/seduction21/06/13 06:17 AM
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BAD idea.
/r/seduction20/06/13 04:17 AM
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Online dating is slightly different, as you are forced to use text to spark her initial interest. As soon as you have your first date set up, and you better go for this ASAP, same rules apply though. Btw I feel EXACTLY like the 'girl perspective' you describe. Texting is for practical stuff, let's keep the banter for real life please.
/r/seduction20/06/13 04:16 AM
2

Hurting people sometimes is unavoidable, and sometimes, in matters of love, it's also worth it :)
/r/seduction18/06/13 10:59 AM
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As someone who just discovered the 'rationality' community and is devouring Eliezer Yudkowsky's posts this was awesome. (even if, as others point out, it won't apply to girls who habitually get hit on multiple times per night)
/r/seduction18/06/13 07:40 AM
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DUDE. If he says 'no', that means you told it to your friend the wrong way, as if you were asking some kind of question/permission. You should tell him about the current situation, including the fact that it's already progressed quite a bit beyond 'I would like to ask her out some time, is that ok', and that you respect him a lot and that is why you want to make sure he hears it from you. In that conversation, avoid asking 'are you ok with this?' and instead HAMMER on the phrase 'I hope you are …
/r/seduction16/06/13 05:36 AM
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As I am currently dating one of my best friends' exes, I wholeheartedly approve :) I ran it by my friend even before going on a first date with her, and he approved, and then ran it by him again when things clicked and are looking serious, and he still approved though admitted there was definitely a weird / not cool side to it. But I have a pretty good confidence in both my dating life and my friendships that this will not have any negative effects on either in the long run. I also have had the …
/r/seduction16/06/13 05:25 AM
2

An interesting reversal of the commonly lamented situation for hot girls :)
/r/seduction16/06/13 01:37 AM
5

What kind of advice is that? (especially for this sub) The friend thing was 3 years ago, and they click. Surely it's at least worth trying to get the friend's approval?
/r/seduction16/06/13 01:34 AM
3

... And I got annoyed when they were just talking about how maniacs could be dressed and he did NOT make any joke about the spongebob guy at all. Seriously, that guy was boring as fuck (though, fair is fair, he had a 'cool' vibe and kept the conversation going, and got her digits, so I guess that's a win, but man did he sound robotic).
/r/seduction16/06/13 01:30 AM
3

One of the best ways I've heard describe this feeling (and situation) - nice!
/r/seduction16/06/13 12:59 AM
2

an awesome pickup routine on HB8.5, So, which one exactly was that?
/r/seduction16/06/13 12:56 AM
5

Actually, it's kind of an interesting story how I discovered there was not a lot of chance in us going about it any time soon again. So, it's about half a year after my last encounter with [zombie shooter girl] (could it be a Call of Duty bonus game? It was on PlayStation I think). I had been drooling over this cute barmaid of a bar I often frequent, and it was also in this bar that I met zombie-shooter-fan girl, and I knew she hung out with all of the staff there a lot. I am having a drink ther…
/r/seduction14/06/13 12:29 AM
1

Just double-checking your comment history to make sure you are not actually that girl... (because yes, fondling was had!)
/r/seduction14/06/13 12:17 AM
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I'd just like to comment that we seem to have ever more girls on seddit, and their contributions are ever more useful/insightful (rather than the old 'you are all creepy manipulators blabblabla'). Nice, and thanks!
/r/seduction13/06/13 08:54 PM
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I actually had a girl teach me some zombie-shooter game once. I know, that was a keeper (which I didn't manage, sadly).
/r/seduction13/06/13 08:52 PM
12

One of my coolest pickups was when I told the girl I played piano, and on our way from the club to my place she demanded I play for her naked. I also just happened to have a bottle of fancy champagne in my fridge (from a gift) that we cracked open, while nakedly playing, singing and dancing and getting drunk together. It was glorious. (sorry for the tangent)
/r/seduction13/06/13 08:50 PM
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Except often when I try to teach a girl guitar (or something else), I completely forget about the fact that I am trying to seduce her and keep a friendly atmosphere, and instead I start obsessing and insisting they practice one more time long after we should have moved on to another subject. Just kidding, I love explaining stuff, totally worth 'losing' the light-hearted atmosphere for, because it's a good time.
/r/seduction13/06/13 08:48 PM
3

Oooooh old-school mystery style ;)
/r/seduction13/06/13 08:46 PM
1

Though the reason is always "she is not attracted to you", the fact is that sheer 'novelty' is a rather big factor in finding somebody interesting and thus, yes, attractive. The novelty going away is something inevitable, and hard to find.
/r/seduction13/06/13 10:55 AM
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... So what happened?
/r/seduction12/06/13 11:58 AM
1

This is the kind of rejection-ish interaction that will give me a huge grin for the next couple of minutes.
/r/seduction09/06/13 01:28 AM
2

Oh god that has to be so stressy. And awesome. Did you get many brilliantly awkward moments? :) Or moments that you thought 'ok now I'm just gonna stay in set even though it's silly', but that turned out unexpectedly great?
/r/seduction09/06/13 01:27 AM
1

You don't have to live with that regret though today, because you went and got a truth from that girl. I'm left here wondering what if. That's beautiful :)
/r/seduction09/06/13 01:26 AM
1

Haha, man, I know the feeling, the 'start messaging in the middle of your approach' is pretty cold. Anyway, so that is that, you've done a cold approach, and had a taste of 'laughing it off'. Nice! On to the next one!
/r/seduction09/06/13 01:23 AM
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The answer is: wtf don't plan your JOB around girls :)
/r/seduction05/06/13 06:37 AM
1

That's... Awesome :) seriously, thanks for sharing, and glad I could help!
/r/seduction02/06/13 11:00 PM
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Common wisdom has it that girls tend to put on 'barriers' to avoid being seen as 'easy' by their peers. But let's face it, in 90% of the situations, a girls' friends aren't exactly listening/watching while you're interacting, so in practice it is super easy for her to hide you as long as she wants. Yet still she puts up barriers, even if she obviously seems into you. Why is that? Here's what I have learned over time: if she's even remotely attractive, it's because she's afraid that if she shows …
/r/seduction31/05/13 09:33 AM
2

Oh boy - if you ask me you're friend zoned hard and good on this one. (which does not have to be a problem, there exist ways to get out of the friend zone, many of which are detailed on seddit - never done it though)
/r/seduction30/05/13 05:09 PM
3

You already slept over at her place without even kissing?
/r/seduction30/05/13 04:24 PM
3

This... This makes quite a lot of sense. I've had the feeling more than once that I went for the kiss too early (even if she reciprocated happily), because kissing is a bit the official ending of the 'tension building' phase. The longer the tension builds before actually giving into it, the deeper/better what follows I've found.
/r/seduction30/05/13 01:40 PM
2

Grinning is absolutely fine :)
/r/seduction30/05/13 10:32 AM
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Guilty as charged.
/r/seduction30/05/13 12:51 AM
5

He's one of the great 'original thinkers' in this whole 'seduction' thingie - a bit like the Newton of seduction if you will. One of the first (but by far not the first) to ask the right questions, be systematic about relentlessly testing stuff in the field rather than just believing 'common wisdom', trying to discover patterns and distill them into actionable rules, and writing like a madman to share them with the community. To continue with the 'influencial scientist' analogy, he also was the …
/r/seduction29/05/13 05:11 PM
1

I have no idea how that escalation ladder works exactly, so excuse me if this sounds stupid, but: did you actually try taking off her clothes, starting with her top/shirt/whatever? That sounds like a reasonable next step to me (and it makes holding her in your arms while making out feel all the much nicer).
/r/seduction29/05/13 04:57 PM
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She sounds pretty great and spontaneous, not just giving her number, but actually going trough with the date as well - great! I also now imagine you praying by the side of your bed, going "hi there God, it's me. I'll be honest, that losing weight thingie is not going to happen anytime soon. But if you could please just help get me laid anyway? That would be super, thanks!"
/r/seduction29/05/13 04:55 PM
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I'm a little torn on whether manufacturing a romantic moment will actually make for a romantic moment. I have very strong opinions on this, and my answer is a big fat yes. That sunset isn't any less beautiful because you explicitly decided to grab a blanket and some wine and drive all the way to the beach to go see it. (though I wouldn't exactly call your scenario romantic tbh :))
/r/seduction29/05/13 04:12 PM
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True, that's worthy of a thread all on its own. Personally, I'd say the biggest and most common indicators for me would be: She is super comfortable with you touching her, having your arm around her... And is maybe even touching you back. At one point, the conversation revolved around sexually charged topics in a fun and open way. You took some initiative to move together to another place and/or be alone, and she happily followed you. There's many others of course (as I said, other thread, and i…
/r/seduction29/05/13 03:29 PM
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Honestly, I would be pretty freaked out if a girl did that to me :) Because it would be so unusual, I honestly think I've never not been the one to initiate the first kiss. But, yeah, if we were into each other when she did that (and this approach is assuming that a priori, it's not a strategy to create attraction or anything), I would enthusiastically embrace the opportunity and not turn her down. Go for it :)
/r/seduction29/05/13 03:21 PM
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On the mouth, but softly and smoothly and not pulling away again after 1 second.
/r/seduction29/05/13 03:16 PM
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Naaah, that's too much talking, and leaves her room to think about it. You want her to react to the kiss itself (and yes, sometimes that reaction is still a rejection), not to some thought process before it. EDIT: whoops, my peanut sized brain failed to register the word after I now realize.
/r/seduction29/05/13 03:15 PM
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shoved their tongue down my throat immediately as well Guys, here's another lesson: don't use so much tongue.
/r/seduction29/05/13 03:12 PM
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I tend to start laughing and give her a (light-hearted) look of 'awwww, come on', and often also say that out loud. Because she spoiled the atmosphere while things were just going so nice! And then I just cheerfully start talking about something else as if nothing happened. Not making a big deal out of it is key (though, boy is it also really hard because of course, I am shaken up from it). The thing is, even if she doesn't kiss you back the first time (!), you have made it very clear what your …
/r/seduction29/05/13 01:40 PM
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I know that seddit tends to dislike alcohol in general, seeing it as a 'crutch' that you should not rely on etc etc, but it really is a fact that we often pull our smoothest moves while drunk. Nice! (in situations like that, when she just gets it and goes out to kiss you I often can't help myself and start grinning literally during the kiss)
/r/seduction29/05/13 01:30 PM
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Cool! Curious to see how it goes.
/r/seduction29/05/13 01:26 PM
11

This, while true in conversation and all, does not really make any sense when it comes to deciding when/how to kiss I've found.
/r/seduction29/05/13 01:26 PM
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It truly does. In a way it's a bit cheating of course, because you're almost literally 'stealing' a kiss - but since it was already on both of your minds she doesn't mind at all and the moment turns into 'natural' after about one second anyway.
/r/seduction29/05/13 01:25 PM
1

Awesome!
/r/seduction29/05/13 11:42 AM
1

I'll talk to the one I like and say something like "Your friend's really cute. Is she single?" (I say it sarcastically, making sure she knows that I'm just fucking around). Wonderful! :)
/r/seduction29/05/13 11:37 AM
2

Maybe this makes it more clear (or at least that's how I view it): propose things rather than asking them. People can - and will - still object to something you propose, but it will make you seem less like somebody who has no sense of initiative.
/r/seduction29/05/13 11:35 AM
2

Mine can be summarized as situational, situational, situational. I.e. making a witty-ish/sympathetic remark about some common situation you're in, and then just continue talking as if you're old friends. I also have a bit of a rule among the lines of, all else being equal, choose the prettier girl. (e.g. who to ask the time to, where to sit down on the train/plane, who to start chatting with in some networking event...)
/r/seduction29/05/13 11:30 AM
1

Pickup is just not that difficult. The people making it seem difficult are the people with a financial motive. While I agree with your point that mastering it does not always necessarily take 7 years (the biggest variable is simply how much time you can devote to this stuff in your life), surely you are rational enough to realize that how 'difficult' something is is a very subjective thing? Maybe pickup is not that complicated, but whether it's difficult depends on a LOT of personal factors.
/r/seduction29/05/13 11:23 AM
1

You know, seeing it laid out makes it very explicit to me that there are soooo many different paths, and that this 'common' path laid out by the author is just one of many. While in terms of 'lay count' and inner state I would probably fit best in category 3. But then on the other hand I recognize myself at LOT in parts of each of those four stages, be it being often very fucking nervous (and often unable) to do an approach (which puts me squarely in stage 1), read only one real seduction book (…
/r/seduction29/05/13 11:20 AM
11

Aaaah, the infamous p-close. Well done.
/r/seduction24/05/13 03:38 PM
5

Damn, you obviously have some GREAT stuff to share with us, but I can't stand the way you format it all without linebreaks (press enter twice to insert one) or casually referring to things without clarifying them. Still though, with some googling I'm sure I'll be able to learn a lot from your original post, it looks wonderfully concrete which, you are right, is always valuable!
/r/seduction16/05/13 02:38 PM
0

Don't fucking judge people by their reputation, and don't fucking let other people's opinion influence your decisions, that's what you do.
/r/seduction16/05/13 08:24 AM
3

I often say 'marry me', which is among the same lines I guess. No need to clarify, it's just a fun way tobillustrate that you also really love that thing she just said she loves.
/r/seduction15/05/13 10:32 PM
0

Great thread indeed - I aleays get kind of annoyed when people hold that 'perceived arrogance = actually insecure' belief though.
/r/seduction15/05/13 10:25 PM
1

I tend to stick to a practical question shortly (a day, an hour) before the date, with an element of funny 'inside joke' banter mixed in. Just to male sure she didnt forget. But it depends on the situation, really, in particular on how often you guys texted before agreeing on the date.
/r/seduction15/05/13 10:10 PM
2

Just... Have REASON to be it: experience many things, and truly experience that you win some, you lose some, and life goes on. No 'mind trick' can replace that.
/r/seduction15/05/13 10:06 PM
4

I think he meant to say, even with good looks or approach, if you approach enough you will always get rejected sooner or later. Because, you know, there can be other reasons: let's say she's an underaged hardcore lesbian non-English speaking tourist, very busy reading (and hating) a book on common seduction techniques, just to try and get her mind of her recently deceased parents. Doesn't help that she's deaf either. Try approaching that.
/r/seduction14/05/13 01:28 PM
4

Couldn't help smiling at how matter-of-factly you talk about 'the fat friend'. Man, we are such assholes - but we say it like it is and I like it!
/r/seduction06/05/13 05:19 PM
11

sigh That Date 1 thing is why I sometimes really hate how it is in dating. You can never just 'let go' when you are still in the getting-to-know phase. (it's wonderful if you seduce her and then can relax and just drink in her great personality all you want though, but typically she needs to have had a big O before that for it not to significantly lessen your chances) GREAT FR in any case, thanks for writing it up!
/r/seduction02/05/13 11:45 PM
1

To be honest, I often say I'm really bad with names to soften the blow of my actually forgetting their name the next time :(
/r/seduction18/04/13 08:51 PM
1

Aaaah, good old Dale. Careful though: that book's great at becoming greatly liked in interactions, which is a huge advantage also with girls (for various reasons), but attraction it does not really get you.
/r/seduction18/04/13 08:50 PM
1

Look, I'm sorry, but you're getting waaay too excited about your little nugget of "trying to impress a girl is bad" wisdom. You could also get her flowers and take her out to dinner and write her poems. Now, see, that doesn't impress anybody, which is why it's not what OP was talking about. You're confusing things. It's more subtle than that.
/r/seduction18/04/13 08:48 PM
2

Trying to impress women comes off as try-hard. I'm sure you think you got it all figured out, but you're missing the point. Trying to impress a woman comes off as a try-hard. Impressing a woman on the other hand is exactly that: impressing her. And impressing a woman is a great thing, always. Don't fool yourself.
/r/seduction18/04/13 08:46 PM
1

Yeah, about that bad with names thing... Has anyone here also had this happening, or am I just crazy: you spot a girl, you know you've talked to her before and even got her number, and then you start going trough your cell's contacts like crazy just hoping to spot a name that will somehow ring a bell? (note: I actually am kinda crazy and my crazy pills have a known bad side effect on memory and alcohol isn't helping as well, but still :))
/r/seduction18/04/13 08:38 PM
7

Seeing how many people are yawning apparently just from viewing this post, a tshirt with YAWN written on it in big bold letters may be a useful shortcut to see who is checking you out. (Especially if you're a girl and you put it on your chest :))
/r/seduction15/04/13 09:01 AM
2

What would be the correct subreddit for that?
/r/seduction15/04/13 09:00 AM
1

And you're going to get stares from/ hit on by a lot of guys that you have absolutely no interest in (this is also dependent on how physically attractive you are, which is also something that a lot of women constantly deal with in social situations like clubbing). You're going to get the closest idea of how it feels to be a smokin' hot woman at a club that you'll ever get, and you'll learn a lot from it. Dear god this is so true, and SO freaky. Joined my gay friend to a gay club in Madrid once, …
/r/seduction11/04/13 03:41 PM
1

I almost did. Cheating a bit with only implying in scenario 2 that he almost lost the account though. Still, nicely written out illustration!
/r/seduction09/04/13 04:37 PM
2

Soooo next up, trying to seduce somebody?
/r/seduction06/04/13 08:19 PM
2

Watch this. That's how you do it.
/r/seduction31/03/13 04:16 PM
1

Nice article, but you should limit its width, it's a bit annoying to read and/or having to resize your browser window.
/r/seduction30/03/13 01:08 PM
2

Just because they 'conventionally' don't want to hear about it, it's a fun shock effect to do it anyway. Come to think of it, I instinctively do this all the time, mainly because I just have a bit of a twisted sense of humor I guess.
/r/seduction30/03/13 01:06 PM
2

In that case, good on you :) And of course, in hindsight it turned out to be just the right amount of venomous!
/r/seduction27/03/13 08:38 PM
59

Epic. Calling her 'bitch' was pretty damn risky though.
/r/seduction27/03/13 11:34 AM
1

I would think (and probably tount her) that she had it off some PUA forum ;)
/r/seduction26/03/13 12:44 PM
1

She may have not understood the joke actually :)
/r/seduction26/03/13 12:41 PM
2

I made it up on the spot. You got talent my friend!
/r/seduction26/03/13 12:40 PM
1

There's more about whether or not you want to do something than whether it 'works'. Flirting in a way that does not feel as 'your style' may work, but there's something to say for not wanting to do it.
/r/seduction26/03/13 12:38 PM
1

de-sexualize I think?
/r/seduction17/03/13 10:46 AM
-1

Read more sidebar stuff :) Your thoughts are quite common, and there's an answer in there. (Ultimately each one of us has to be the judge themselves of course.)
/r/seduction15/03/13 12:04 AM
0

Love the nickname.
/r/seduction14/03/13 11:06 PM
2

There is potential for a wonderful discussion here: for us to try to define what we want. I think the path to truth is to look for common traits in people you dated in the past, rather than how you imagine your 'ideal' to be. Then again, maybe that's just what you got, not what you wanted :) (I had a bit of an 'eureka' moment the other time though, when I realized with absolute clarity the personality characteristic that attracted me the most: cheeriness)
/r/seduction14/03/13 11:05 PM
1

At some pint I am expected to make the first move No you're not. Be attractive to her, and then wait until she makes the first move, and learn to recognize it. (Hint: it's not kissing you or asking you out)
/r/seduction14/03/13 11:01 PM
6

Luckily, the lesson is as straightforward as it is effective: don't show your interest in them. (not too early at least)
/r/seduction14/03/13 10:58 PM
12

Mind. Blown. Never thought about that.
/r/seduction14/03/13 10:57 PM
1

Reading your first paragraphs it downed on me that perhaps you were building to a conclusion saying: don't take dating advice from women because they base it on traits, not actions. Which I kinda liked and nodded in agreement to. So while it's still an excellent post, and thanks for sharing, for me it was slightly disappointing to have the conclusion be, in essence, 'you want to be great for you, not for her'.
/r/seduction14/03/13 10:55 PM
2

All the usual stuff (kino, trying to isolate from the group, sharing stuff about yourself that hints at your live being interesting...), really. It just instantly establishes her interest, intriguedness - and thus attraction - and willingness to be around you and find out more about this guy who's so different from the usual friendly sucking up she gets. It's a tool that makes everything you do after that more likely to succeed. If I had to name a next step that typically follows or me, it's com…
/r/seduction14/03/13 09:04 AM
3

This never applies to me at all - I aim the playful punch dropped jaw thingie usually waaay early in the interaction (like, within 5 minutes) when we're still totally within the group and making a physical move like that would be totally wrong.
/r/seduction14/03/13 08:58 AM
19

A playful punch in the arm is the ideal response to a tease. Yup. Jaw dropping, eyes sparkling, followed by lip-biting while arm-punching. That is SO often the moment in the interaction that I consider the 'turning point'. Love it.
/r/seduction13/03/13 04:51 PM
5

I wonder if some of us men aren't as receptive to kino as the women are. Even if we would be, most men's default assumption would still be that it's a coincidence just out of fear of embarrassing themselves.
/r/seduction13/03/13 04:50 PM
2

In his defense, I once took out a girl for a drink on the spot that was listening to music with headphones (and reading a book) across me on the train. So (like everything else) it can be done! Trains are a different thing than subways though, people are not so rushed. Quite the contrary in fact, come to think of it. Trains are nice places to approach. Go sit across that pretty girl and offer her some gum to open!
/r/seduction13/03/13 09:33 AM
6

First fix the Who’s passions though.
/r/seduction13/03/13 09:31 AM
3

a very personal experience usually is the one that the most people relate Totally unrelated and cheesy, but: this is the reason Adele's Someone Like You is so universally acclaimed. Couldn't be more personal and more universal at the same time.
/r/seduction13/03/13 09:29 AM
4

Aaaaah, yes, there is a new kind of stress that comes with this, isn't there? Where hot girls used to only phase you a bit, because talking to them (let alone getting somewhere further) was never a realistic option in your mind, suddenly each pretty girl you're not talking to is truly a wasted opportunity. (in case you wonder, the cure is having spectacularly great sex on a regular basis)
/r/seduction13/03/13 09:27 AM
1

I'm happy to learn that I'm just a couple of 'older women' away from having achieved every single thing on that list! Isn't 10 a bit much :(
/r/seduction04/03/13 02:36 PM
2

Actually I don't buy all the 'openers don't matter' stuff people so happily throw around here all the time. An opener that has the possibility to naturally spark a conversationis a better opener than one that doesn't. Saying something totally random because a stranger dared you to it is not a bad opener in that regard actually! Those who deny it have just gotten wicked good at making conversation and can do it from any starting point, but to discount openers altogether based on that is stupid. S…
/r/seduction01/03/13 04:44 PM
7

He closed allright. Would have been truly epic if he went for a kiss though.
/r/seduction01/03/13 02:29 PM
28

You forgot the ingredient that made all the difference: funny teasing.
/r/seduction01/03/13 02:27 PM
27

"Sheltered much?" "Oh my god!" She punches me in the arm playfully. "So what do you do?" ... Aaaand this is the exact point where you go from "ok, sure, let's see if this stranger is any good" to "I LIKE YOU". I love it when you get to the playful arm punch moment moment (though it does add a bit of pressure, because instantly expectations are raised). Loved the field report, you got flair my man!
/r/seduction01/03/13 02:25 PM
2

... and you did! I like this approach, and I suck generally with 'openers' (as in, I don't dare to do them if I don't have something 'situational' to comment on), so this was definitely a useful tip. Welcome to seddit :)
/r/seduction01/03/13 02:13 PM
1

effectively objectifying her and anything else between us Yeah that's also what I meant, but you said it more elegantly. Neil Strauss hints on this in the game as well - there's a weird point where you lose respect for (but not interest in) women, viewing them as so weak and interchangable because the same things seem to work for creating attraction on so many people. Of course, we men are a bazillion time more stupid/shallow/easy because while with girls at least it's personality and how you ma…
/r/seduction27/02/13 02:35 AM
4

And, while annoying on first sight, that is actually a very powerful position.
/r/seduction27/02/13 02:00 AM
6

Interestingly, there's also a point where you give not enough fucks and descend in some sort of girl nihilism, where you just routinely hit on - and fuck - girls even though you dismissed them as uninteresting in your head the very first second (which may or may not be justified mind you, this is part of the nihilism). And go 'meh, whatever, on to the next' as soon as that awesome girl gives you the slightest resistance after sleeping with her, instead of putting up a bit of a fight to keep her.…
/r/seduction27/02/13 01:59 AM
1

Put work in improving yourself, regardless of 'prerequisites'.
/r/seduction27/02/13 01:56 AM
4

Actually, spooning is more for falling asleep, in the morning I love to have her head rest on my chest.
/r/seduction25/02/13 08:45 PM
1

They don't hate you - that's a pretty self-centered thing to believe actually. They are at worst indifferent about you, and, rather than hate, indifference is what you should feel as well towards a girl you didn't get anywhere with.
/r/seduction25/02/13 04:59 PM
2

Women like good sex.
/r/seduction25/02/13 10:12 AM
1

Meaningful relationships tend to start out with attraction (and often, if you're a bit more experienced, sex), so you're definitely in the right place! Don't make the mistake of discounting a girl too soon because she's not 'the one' or something though - nothing wrong with having some great fun with the other sex just for the sake of that!
/r/seduction25/02/13 10:11 AM
17

For me, the best part is the cuddling the morning after (seriously).
/r/seduction25/02/13 10:09 AM
2

Stern advice is still advice.
/r/seduction17/02/13 02:53 PM
7

In the initial phases, when in doubt, ask yourself "would I behave like this with a mate or would he give me strange looks if I did?"
/r/seduction16/02/13 11:51 AM
1

No idea what you're talking about :-/ Anyway, even with the five lies game failing I still got her in the end, so it's nice to know that I'll be fine without using any 'canned routines'.
/r/seduction14/02/13 08:32 AM
3

I tried that game only once, and completely crashed and burned - the girl responded indeed with 5 lies without blinking, and cheerily said 'allright, you're next!' and started asking me questions back.
/r/seduction14/02/13 12:47 AM
1

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA (wait did that sound insincere?) The problem is, maybe she is thinking just the same! But, no, I've also done it, and people do appreciate it, after all they already accept you enough to kiss you! Next topic: how to sensibly tell somebody they're giving you terrible oral ;)
/r/seduction12/02/13 11:05 PM
13

I like to abruptly interrupt it after 5 seconds and start happily chatting about something else as if nothing happened. Keep her wanting more ;)
/r/seduction12/02/13 10:53 PM
1

It's really hard not to come across as arrogant when you start to 'teach' them so early in the interaction though.
/r/seduction12/02/13 10:52 PM
11

99% of kissing well is to hold yourself back and do it slowly. Don't stick your tongue in her throat right away and start twisting, as I've heard girls often report (and, honest is honest, probably did myself way to much when I was younger). This scene in Cruel Intentions shows how it's done. Bonus points for also being an extremely hot scene.
/r/seduction12/02/13 10:49 PM
3

If I'm in a bar or something and I'm having eye contact with a girl a bit further, I like to stick my tongue out at her, and then just turn around and continue talking to my friends as if nothing happens. ... Not sure what the use of this is, but if she sticks out her tongue back it's a nice moment.
/r/seduction12/02/13 01:17 PM
2

So, you hold eye contact all the time to somebody walking the opposite direction, and then they are right next / in front of you. ... Then what?
/r/seduction12/02/13 01:16 PM
2

Yup, that's more or less my plan! My life is a bit too chaotic to cook 3 days in a row, but I'd already settled on the 'cook the same thing a couple of times until I can do it without thinking and invent variations on it'. Thanks for the advice!
/r/seduction11/02/13 07:20 PM
6

If the weather's good, go for a picknick! Picknicks are great. I like to just do them with takeaway pizza and a bottle of cheap wine, but that's because I'm about as refined as a caveman.
/r/seduction11/02/13 01:20 PM
1

I know dates where you can move around and have plenty of natural stuff to talk about are the best (e.g. somewhere with a pool table), but in the end I mostly just go with a nice cosy pub where they have plenty of great beers, good music, a nice 'buzz' atmosphere, free jazz concerts or jam sessions every other day, and it's within walking distance of my place.
/r/seduction11/02/13 01:17 PM
1

As soon as I have some more confidence in my (currently barely existing) cooking skills, I'm gonna do this. Fuck it, I'm even also gonna do it with self-made pizzas! For all I care she can run off with my best friend after that, an evening with self-made pizza is a good evening.
/r/seduction11/02/13 01:15 PM
2

Hehe, yeah, it's not black and white admittedly. I recently had one case where both me and my flatmate were obviously completely crazy about the same girl the moment she entered my apartment, and I just went for her hard and fast (I was waaay more her type anyway so I'm not sure he had a chance to begin with). I called dibs though, and it was me who brought her in our place to begin with, so I'd argue that grants me some rights :)
/r/seduction10/02/13 08:40 PM
19

Speaking from a guy's perspective, I also have this happen quite a lot: there's some fun initially merely because of the newness of a person, discovering who somebody is and how they think (and, well, all aspects of their body :)) etc etc... But as soon as that's gone, you realize that she actually makes you go kinda 'meh', and even answering texts/messages becomes a bit of a chore. And of course, saying flat out "I'm not interested in you anymore" sucks, nobody likes to be the asshole and hurt …
/r/seduction10/02/13 06:08 PM
5

I guess there's also some fun in that, as long as you're all good sports about losing, and it's not always the same that wins/loses :)
/r/seduction10/02/13 06:03 PM
4

Yup, fair enough, that can happen indeed. All in all not too bad an outcome of the night: a valuable lesson, and a buddy - a valuable source of wisdom it appears - that got some action. Could be worse :)
/r/seduction10/02/13 03:46 PM
31

The next steps, roughly: Invite her to go somewhere more private. Kiss her. Invite her to go somewhere even more private. Undress her. (depending on the circumstances of course, proper 'escalating' may of course be just getting her number before she goes)
/r/seduction10/02/13 11:19 AM
431

I ended up watching my buddy swoop in Wait wait, you were competing with your friends over a chick? Here's another valuable lesson: don't compete with your friends over a girl. You should be helping and supporting each other in getting girls, not competing.
/r/seduction10/02/13 11:18 AM
2

Wasn't it like alt.seduction.fast or something? Ooooh the olden days of yore!
/r/seduction08/02/13 08:09 PM
1

I usually say, after it has already become clear that we like each other, "hey, let's do the whole number exchanging thingie" while getting out my phone. It never feels like a 'big deal' like that, and it's even slightly ironic about the whole fact that people make it out to be.
/r/seduction31/01/13 11:36 PM
0

Trying to show value is not attractive. Showing you are creative by doing something creative shows value just fine though. Similarly for example, showing you have a sense of humor by saying things that make her laugh is a good thing, it's not 'trying to show value'.
/r/seduction31/01/13 11:31 PM
0

Way to be a mood killer - that first method is awesome, no matter how you spin it.
/r/seduction31/01/13 11:28 PM
1

Aaaaah, the game brilliantly played. This is one for the books/sidebar if you ask me. Took some balls to try that 'my girlfriend' line as well! I agree that a girl that is good in bed riding you is one of the most amazing things you can ever experience in life. Hot stuff!
/r/seduction31/01/13 11:57 AM
1

I'm sure seduction has a word for this, but I'll just call it post-relationship blues. That's an interesting point - do we? (in any case, if you ask me, no better way of fixing it than booty calling whatever fuckbuddy / girl that hit on you during the relationship / ex / ex-FWB... that you have lying around as fast as possible to get some 'release' before going in the field again!)
/r/seduction30/01/13 03:24 PM
-4

I really can't stand the guy though.
/r/seduction25/01/13 09:19 AM
8

Thanks! Djeezes christ that took me way too long to find the actual download button/link. For other people who have a bit of a slow friday: the big black title is also the download link.
/r/seduction25/01/13 09:15 AM
3

Got an example of one that you suspect (or know) to be fake?
/r/seduction25/01/13 09:12 AM
2

TL;DR: admitting, and acting on, your attraction for girls = FREEEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOOOOOOOMMMM ;)
/r/seduction23/01/13 04:44 PM
1

Aaaah, you're right indeed. Fixed, thanks for letting me know.
/r/seduction23/01/13 04:39 PM
4

Just a quick note to let you know that I've been really enjoying all of your comments in this thread. Thanks for taking the time to articulate your thoughts so nicely, you sound very 'human' somehow, and pretty inspiring. And of course, may you indeed find that wonderful mother for your child(ren) soon, I'm sure you'd make for a great dad!
/r/seduction23/01/13 04:18 PM
3

Sinn addressed something similar in his wonderful blog a while ago: we all know that coming across as trying too hard, or just being too outcome independent dependent (i.e. caring about what happens) is bad for your success with women. On the other hand though, if you don't care about getting the girl at all, you're not gonna put in any effort and, basically, not push yourself, so you won't get anywhere. So, what is it then, caring about getting the girl(s) or not? The answer is to care about tr…
/r/seduction23/01/13 03:54 PM
2

Good or not, it sure is fun!
/r/seduction22/01/13 11:49 PM
1

Also, have a look at /r/sex, it's a wonderful place :)
/r/seduction22/01/13 09:09 PM
1

All I can say is: it is way easier to get girls among international students like yourself, because everybody's more opener to meeting new people etc etc... Have fun!
/r/seduction22/01/13 09:09 PM
12

Haha, I honestly didn't see that one coming :-D
/r/seduction22/01/13 09:06 PM
1

Absolutely agree, and his chances at this point are slim to put it very mildly - but that said, 'cause fuck it, right? Right. Beyond a second attempt it gets pathetic/creepy though.
/r/seduction22/01/13 03:16 PM
0

Pretty likely it won't go anywhere, but I would like take an opposing stance to the 'just move on' that people like to throw around here all too often. I'd give it another day, and if she still hasn't replied, give it one last but friendly (i.e. extremely casual) shot at starting a conversation. Not immediately asking her out/number (just act like that never happened), but just starting a friendly conversation somehow. Something among the lines of "haha, just thinking back about that winter drin…
/r/seduction22/01/13 10:59 AM
1

That was a pretty great and profound read - nice. Success is based off of one thing, if you are constantly improving your situation. This is a great point of view.
/r/seduction22/01/13 10:47 AM
1

That doesn't sound like a question, but rather a nice success story! No, you shouldn't have acted any different, sounds like you had a great time and great results!
/r/seduction22/01/13 10:45 AM
3

Dude, they are your friends - if it goes right, celebrate with your friends over a beer. If it goes wrong, mourn / make fun of your self with your friends over a beer! Disclaimer: I really like beer.
/r/seduction22/01/13 10:44 AM
2

Here's a great article from the generally brilliant blog of Chase: How to text girls: 20 more tips. Especially his breakdown of 3 types of texting guys seems spot on, and you may be 'endless conversation guy' described in the article. As said by others: try to reserve your texts as much as possible only for arranging to meet. All the rest is just you becoming a 'fun distraction' for her at best.
/r/seduction22/01/13 10:39 AM
1

How about these: If she doesn't reply to a text / call / message right away, just send another, longer, one to ask her why! Preferably in the middle of the night, girls like a guy that makes time for them. There is no such thing as saying 'I love you' too soon. Saying it morning after the first time you sleep together will sweep her off her feet. Similarly, push for meeting her friends and parents as soon as possible, for example during the first date - she will know you are a true 'family man'!
/r/seduction19/01/13 01:21 PM
3

How to fail with women: never fail ... At this point the author should have realized he was making BIG sacrifices just to be able to use his catchy headline.
/r/seduction19/01/13 01:16 PM
4

I often playfully start phrases with an ironic 'I love you'. I guess saying that playfully counts as a 'disqualifier'? 'Honey, you know I love you, but promise you won't ever make me choose between you and The Beatles / this cold beer / waking up to a bacon-and-eggs breakfast' Stuff like that.
/r/seduction19/01/13 01:11 PM
6

You. Did. Amazing. On to the next one! Be aware that you kinda hit the jackpot to get a kiss out of your very first approach right away though, this will not always happen. But that's ok.
/r/seduction19/01/13 01:08 PM
1

Haha, great to hear from you! I was wondering already if you saw my self post with this same comment (somebody suggested it here)? Quite a shitstorm, so I guess the lesson is, don't take my '2 week plan' too serious as the only possible option :-) Anyway, great that you actually almost managed it, and that's even with still the 2 weekends to go! Curious if my advice had anything to do with it? Seems like you also really did everything you could back at your place to make it happen, even with poo…
/r/seduction18/01/13 08:04 AM
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They are, but not in the way you imply. One very noticeable effect is that, rather than giving out a number, giving out the last name is now for a girl the 'big commitment' to a stranger. In my experience, these days it's about 50/50 between 'exchanging Facebook' and 'exchanging numbers' - where becoming FB is the far superior option if you ask me. More natural to start a full-on chat compared to texting, less 'big' than a phone call, and, well, you got pictures to see if you weren't misled in t…
/r/seduction17/01/13 10:59 PM
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Stupid idea. T-shirts help you blend in and not look like a jackoff in a red polo. :-D Thanks for the feedback!
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:44 PM
1

Relevant scene from When Harry Met Sally :)
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:17 PM
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Damn, that's pretty great actually. Having a large but finite number of movies is sooo much better than the 'ok, which movie out of ALL MOVIES EVER shall we watch together?' I'm always stuck with. Similar arguments for which music to put on these days. Choice is good, too much choice can be, well, too much :-/ FWPs like that aside, watching a movie is always a winner indeed, great tip!
/r/seduction17/01/13 07:28 PM
1

I agree. That said, where I'm from, if you have never drank for 2 weeks straight (the post is a '2 week program') ever in your life, you haven't lived ;-)
/r/seduction17/01/13 07:25 PM
1

Hell yes! Not sure how much of an impression a demonstration of that back at your place would make though ;-) (piano or guitar+singing is the killer for that)
/r/seduction17/01/13 01:50 PM
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Guys in the okcupid 'scene', read this man's advice, it's golden. Care to PM your profile to me, and I'll do the same to you? I'm getting intrigued :-)
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:43 AM
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Only for the 'laid in 2 weeks' program, after that you can go back to more human values ;-) (if you don't, /r/barroomheroes welcomes you!)
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:23 AM
1

Any interests you have that have that are occasion to sign up to courses and things like that perhaps? Gatherings that are based on something beyond 'being social' are a great place to meet people and make friends. (I'm into physics for example, and had great fun going to off-campus lectures on astronomy and whatnot)
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:22 AM
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First of all: study and practice your butt off to learn that French of course! Making the effort to talk in their language, however broken, is enormously endearing to most girls, will make you seem like an interesting guy off the bat, and an extra foreign language is a skill that is wonderful to have and lasts a life time. Also, talking in another language provides a strange sense of carefree-ness somehow. Having a girl teach you some bits of the language is a great way for funny banter by the w…
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:16 AM
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Sounds good! This is how David DeAngelo started out, and he became a very rich man while doing so. (he had of course an early mover advantage which you don't, but still, I'm convinced there would be plenty of interest in this.) One tip: go easy on the PUA lingo.
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:08 AM
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True - I'm convinced of that as well by now, mainly by great comments like yours in this thread. So thanks for that.
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:07 AM
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Just be yourself! ;)
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:04 AM
1

True, but a girl knowing that is definitely a shortcut to her finding you an interesting guy! That still leaves the whole 'game' aspect of course before you go from 'having some interesting qualities' to 'girls want you', but luckily there's plenty of inspiration in this subreddit for that part :-)
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:04 AM
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Yes, that makes a lot of sense - sorry if I seemed to imply that you said girls always want to have sex with guys they make out with. You are simply a tad more selective in who you make out with than most girls it seems - which is of course perfectly fine!
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:01 AM
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theres a manual to get laid ? There are definitely things to be said about improving your chances of getting laid, yes. Welcome to (one aspect, though not the most important, of) seddit!
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:14 AM
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Just wanna say that you are my favorite commenter in this thread :-) Thanks for having read beyond the beginning and for the constructive thinking along! I stand by my 'question in first message is bad' filosophy though. My reply rate went WAY up after adopting that habit. Hmmm, would make an interesting post to just lay out a full list of inbox messages in that fake girl's inbox and analyze what's so wrong with them! ANY GIRL THAT MESSAGES YOU FIRST on OKcupid is Down to Fuck Careful: either th…
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:11 AM
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gives pretty crappy fashion advice and tells people they need to talk about guitars, travel and should have scented candles back at their place. At this point I am seriously starting to regret not editing out the ridiculously specific (and as you say, actually dishonest) stuff before posting this as a self post since that made more sense in the original 'ok, here's a 2 week plan for a beginner to have a shot at getting laid' comment than as general pickup advice. But fuck it I'll leave it up the…
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:05 AM
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You are definitely in the minority with the "If I'm making out with you, I want your dick". Frankly, for all the dubious stuff on 'drunk works better' in my OP, sending the message here that a girl making out with you means an automatic go is a far more ... Dangerous lesson if you will. So, inexperienced guys reading this, take not: if she is making out with you, she may still not want your dick. I'm annoyingly indecisive so if he puts the decision in my hands we're not going to go anywhere On t…
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:01 AM
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Damn, I now realize I really should have titled my post 'one approach to getting laid' or something like that. First long thing I post on seddit, and branded myself a narrow-minded douchebag right away :-) Because yes, I get your point and 100% agree, there are many ways of getting laid, and obviously even far better ways than 'fake some things that women find traditionally interesting and get them drunk'. For all the flak my post is getting, I'm enjoying the interesting discussion it is sparkin…
/r/seduction16/01/13 09:05 PM
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I've heard this advice before, but whenever I give that a try it just ends up taking way longer, thus killing the mood a bit. Maybe I just need better condoms or something :-(
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:58 PM
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Maybe they seem 'forced' and 'wrong' to you because you are trying to stretch them longer than your current comfort zone? I've found that even habitually asking strangers for directions or the time or whatever, and then only chatting for 30 seconds more, is already a nice way to make it feel more 'natural'. Also, your thoughts at any given moment are probably more interesting than you give yourself credit for, don't feel 'dirty' (or guilty) for sharing them!
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:57 PM
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Thanks for sharing this. Not afraid to admit it: I'm by now convinced by the comments here that 'no glasses is a plus' was too simplistic, to put it mildly. TIL!
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:52 PM
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True.
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:49 PM
1

Haha, awesome! Connecting with a girl in such hugely 'nerdy' circumstances is fantastic indeed, and this one sounds like a keeper if you ask me! So, yes, I'd love to come to your calculus class - shame there's probably an ocean between us :-/
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:48 PM
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That's pretty interesting, how different our approaches/experiences are. The thing is, a girl friend showed me her inbox once, and every single comment had either a question, was a wall of text, some general copypasta, or just "you're hot" or the likes. Asking a question in your first message 'demands' some action from a girl, however subtly, and puts you among the legions of others pulling her sleeve with questions. A short message that is personal and 'no strings attached' is quite refreshing …
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:43 PM
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Drinking (and being around drunk girls) increases your chances at getting laid, cynical though that conclusion may be. Not a necessary condition at all - none of the things in my post is, and I don't pretend them to be. Funny how 'drunk helps game' seems to be one of the more 'taboo' subjects in seddit. Requiring girls to be drunk before you can seduce them means you're not actually very good with girls, but denying that it makes things easier is, well, denial.
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:21 PM
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That's fair enough - leave the drinking out (which was stressed so much because, well, it does increase chances of people 'opening up') and the other bits still apply. Keep a bottle of orange juice at hand in your place at all times ;-)
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:17 PM
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Ok, I'm realizing now all of this will sound all a bit over the top because I didn't give the context: it was in reply to a guy saying he had a bet to get laid by February. A drunk atmosphere is an easier to get laid in, especially if you're still kinda nervous around girls, so it increases his chances dramatically of pulling it off within 2 weeks. Edited my post to clarify this. In the long term, obviously, if alcohol is such a cornerstone part of your game, you're doing something wrong :-)
/r/seduction16/01/13 08:15 PM
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You may have been fooled by the lack of recognizable 'PUA buzzwords' - most of this is in fact pretty standard advice to beginners according to the consensus on seddit - which is why it was a comment in the 'beginners questions' thread. But, if you really want them: the text recommends heavy kino from the start, cocky&funny game, isolating her, fixing your logistics, talk to everybody to overcome AA, outcome independence in the 'whatever, it's just for fun', etc... The FR remark is totally justi…
/r/seduction16/01/13 06:38 PM
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I agree, but I am convinced it does make a difference. If you can choose between glasses and lenses, choose the latter - but it's not a dealbreaker of course. Nothing on this list is. I'll edit accordingly. Nothing on that list will make or break your game actually, it's just that each and every one contributes a little bit, and nailing them all down gives you a nice 'whole package' that leads in good chances of getting laid soon.
/r/seduction16/01/13 05:33 PM
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Haha, fair enough - tried my best to put as much structure and readability in it as possible, but it's still a pretty huge wall of text indeed.
/r/seduction16/01/13 05:10 PM
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Thanks! Maybe reposting is not a bad idea, I did put quite some time (but had loads of fun) into this after all. Done, feel free to go upvote for visibility :-)
/r/seduction16/01/13 04:57 PM
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Haha, yeah definitely. It gets worse, I also play (and compose for) piano and guitar and played in some bands that did quite a lot of gigs, another thing that will make a certain type of girls go wide-eyed. Between the languages and the math, it's almost unfair really :-) (there's also a type of girls who dig money / carreer, and I'm REALLY not a 'big shot' on that front, so there) (but still, however fascinating one's 'resume' may sound, in reality how much game you have is still by far the mor…
/r/seduction16/01/13 02:55 PM
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If a girl comes home with me right away, she must be a slut. What kind of asshole, and particularly here on seddit, would still think that? Well, in a negative way I mean of course - I for one love people that are active sexually without apologies, and could be (and sometimes am by my friends) called quite a big slut myself :-) Great advice, and awesome write-up in general! Who knows, this may grow into something more permanent? She sounds wonderful!
/r/seduction15/01/13 02:22 PM
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This was a great read, and finally a post here that I really, really recognize myself in - both the style of talking, and even the languages bit. I do the exact same thing of starting in English (which by itself isn't my native language but ok, it's pretty universal) and than switching to their language - it definitely makes a nice impression in most of the cases. For all the talk about confidence and things like that, let's be honest: impressing a girl with who you are and what you (can) will s…
/r/seduction15/01/13 02:19 PM
1

Did you kiss yet?
/r/seduction15/01/13 12:55 PM
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Make sure you talk about doing something together while getting that number. Text her right as you head home for the bar with a 'nice to meet you!', a refernece to your 'inside-joke' if you had one, and sign with your name so she won't forget it. Then call her the next day or AT THE VERY LAST 2 days later, somewhere late afternoon, preferably while walking somewhere so it feels casual and 'in between'. SMILE before she picks up and troughout the conversation, both of these things will show. Have…
/r/seduction15/01/13 12:54 PM
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Here's a quick one: look people in the eyes every now and then while you talk to them.
/r/seduction15/01/13 12:51 PM
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bars and stuff I feel out of place at. Well, don't! Make some guy friends and go there anyway, it gets better over time. (I for one am 100% a pub guy though, so loud bars also make feel out of place sometimes)
/r/seduction15/01/13 12:50 PM
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Probably not, but taking a conscious, visible step like this has all kinds of positive consequences besides just how you look. And a bit 'casual chic' never hurt anyone!
/r/seduction15/01/13 12:30 PM
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EDIT: added some more detail and structure here and there because frankly, I'm having fun with this. Should be doable, at least if you are in your twenties, in a place with many bars and parties where lots of drunk people in their early twenties tend to go, and are reasonably good-looking (i.e. not fat, no glasses, no acne). Do those apply to you? Ok, let's go: Prep work If you don't yet, shower and brush your teeth every day, and have neatly cut nails. Would be stupid to give her a reason to no…
/r/seduction15/01/13 12:26 AM
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Yes - he played it perfectly, and indeed what he said was a (pretty masterfully executed) request for confirmation. Just addressing those who may be a little less experienced, and less subtle, here. Those who are still trying to figure it all out, don't have the experience to 'read' social situations that well perhaps, and may potentially take the wrong lesson away from OP's headline there.
/r/seduction14/01/13 10:13 PM
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Correct, OP handled everything in a top-notch way - just trying to prevent others from reading the wrong things into it, for example when only reading the statement in bold but not the FR itself.
/r/seduction14/01/13 04:40 PM
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Yes, agree with all of that. The '100%' sure is the crucial part - but even then asking for confirmation (for example in OP's brilliant way) is the way to go I would say.
/r/seduction14/01/13 11:16 AM
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Just a small warning for the readers: don't take the 'agressive' literally, and thread very carefully with your interpretation of her "you are getting a bit aggressive". OP turned out to have done the right thing for her by pushing trough in hindsight, but better to errrr on the side of caution I would say. If she says, however playfully, that you are being "a bit agressive", tone it down, you are going too fast. If she is really into you you'll get physical anyway, just a bit later than your ho…
/r/seduction14/01/13 09:19 AM
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Great, thanks! The biggest reason (I suspect) is my severe attention deficit though, so not much I can do about that, however nice those tricks are!
/r/seduction08/01/13 11:03 PM
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Yes, I've used this one - or when storing a phone number asking for the spelling of their name. Still though, there's situations where you cannot avoid it, or where it is totally unnatural to ask for a last name (I run into my problem equally in professional contexts for each other, entire meetings with people without knowing their name)
/r/seduction08/01/13 10:52 PM
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Fuck yeah, goals like that are awesome, good luck on getting your back-to-back f-close! So, there's my opinion: cool goals are cool, especially if reaching them, or spectacularly failing in the process of trying, makes for a great story. Don't worry about that 'inner game' shit.
/r/seduction08/01/13 09:08 PM
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Start a (genuine) group discussion on something girl/boy/social related, and then go 'hey you! Come over, we need your expert opinion on something. As a girl, what do you think of [etc etc]'? (It's 'classic', but opinion openers really are nice ice breakers when you don't have any other inspiration)
/r/seduction08/01/13 09:07 PM
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I, for one, would just not hit on everyone. Pick a cute girl that you manage to connect with her, stick with her, then leave her for others every now and then, but don't go around approaching 10 girls at the same night if the crowd's small.
/r/seduction08/01/13 09:05 PM
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I am soooo jealous of this - my memory SUCKS, both for faces, names and conversations, so I often insult people because I genuinely can't remember what we talked about, or that we even talked, let alone their name. For those reading along that have the same issue: with girls I try to alleviate things a bit by putting a ton of meta-info there when I store her phone number. Name, where she's from, some facts I know about her, and what we talked about. Still, had quite some times where I see a girl…
/r/seduction08/01/13 09:01 PM
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my new years resolution is to not drink for a year Hey, girls are not that special you know, let's not go all crazy here. Try January.
/r/seduction04/01/13 05:40 PM
1

I'm sooo jealous of you for having that skill, would love to be able to do that.
/r/seduction26/12/12 08:54 PM
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Why are you getting downvoted? This sounds like way more fun then most other games mentioned so far :)
/r/seduction26/12/12 08:49 PM
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I don't get it :-/
/r/seduction26/12/12 08:46 PM
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... And as a bonus, easy to find out if they are redditors!
/r/seduction26/12/12 08:44 PM
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I tried this once on a girl sitting next to me in the plane, and she completely nailed the game; lying about both which question we were at, and after a brief hesitation and then a smile, replying 'yes' to my 'heyyy you played this game already didn't you?'. She then cheerily said 'ok, my turn now to ask questions!' and I was totally baffled.. Eventually we ended up making out before the plane landed, so how things went with her can definitely be considered a success from a seduction POV (planes…
/r/seduction26/12/12 08:43 PM
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Haha, great, thanks for sharing - I think we can agree that you can leave it at that. See? All that nervousness when talking her, and turns out how you acted wouldn't have mattered either way!
/r/seduction25/12/12 12:30 PM
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SPOT ON. I'm a bit at loss with all those 'intentions' thrown around here. Obviously, in situations where I'm abroad or something like that, it is clear to both parties that it is 'casual' from the start. But apart from that, sex is simply a phase in attraction and getting to know each other and having a great time together. When you have sex early (i.e. same night, or after the first date), very rarely is there any thought about how 'casual' this is in my head, and I suspect, neither is there f…
/r/seduction24/12/12 03:16 PM
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At the moment, I'll have the beach in Thailand, thanks :-) (preferably in female company of course!)
/r/seduction24/12/12 03:07 PM
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I'm having a hard time accepting the idea that alot of girls are just looking for casual sex. Contrary to a lot of talk about 'intentions' here, my experience is that girls, just like me, don't have it all planned out so well when they are attracted to, and have sex with, somebody new.
/r/seduction24/12/12 02:46 PM
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An average 24 year old girl has slept with at least 30 guys. No fucking way that's true. About 5 perhaps, but 30? Not in my country/experience at least.
/r/seduction24/12/12 02:44 PM
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Sure! Basically, any real anecdote where it is implicit that a girl liked you will do. Top of my head: I have been experimenting with online dating on and off over the past year and a half or so, and it's been pretty awesome. So bringing that up, defending it, and mentioning that I have been on dates with some pretty great girls on there (that often turned into a lot more than just a first date) is a nice one I think. Or just the other day, I started talking to this girl/woman (when she's late 2…
/r/seduction24/12/12 01:16 PM
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Haha, so true, and so frustrating. The real best situation is when you regularly have success with girls, then you have and outcome independence, and if you get along you can actually go trough with it.
/r/seduction24/12/12 10:41 AM
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Go in thinking "So, let's find out how nice a person she is by how bitchy/friendly she rejects me" ;)
/r/seduction24/12/12 10:37 AM
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What are you worrying about, you did awesome!!!! Approached a random girl, and ended up with her number? That's more than 99% of guys will ever do in their life. Hell, I never even did it, I always need some 'situational opener', though admittedly I'm good at coming up with those :) Don't postpone calling her, even though it will probably make you nervous as hell too - just remember that whatever the outcome with this 'test subject', worst case scenario it will be over in 2 minutes. When you cal…
/r/seduction24/12/12 10:34 AM
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she needs to think she's capturing you as opposed to you winning her over Never heard that one said explicitly here, but yes that's really powerful and not a bad thing to keep in the back of your head! Ways to achieve this: Habitually be the one to end the conversation first. Don't be scared to mention other girls in a casual (NOT bragging and NOT 'I still like my ex') way. Tease her. It's truly shocking at a party what first making fun of a girl, and then just leaving her to go back to your fri…
/r/seduction24/12/12 09:55 AM
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I do it all the time too. Well, I more like, start to laugh at a thought, and then while still laughing say that thought with the others around me.
/r/seduction22/12/12 11:41 AM
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Don't always respond when someone calls your name. When you do respond, turn your head to them slowly. God I fucking hate guys that are like this.
/r/seduction22/12/12 11:39 AM
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Consistently partying hard and helping everybody have a blast is probably the biggest factor. Being cheap and/or boring is probably the biggest factor in the other direction. So if you get invited to a party, say 'HELL YESSSS', show up with some bottles/cans for all to enjoy regardless of whether you were supposed to bring your own drinks, have a good mood all the way trough including having lots and lots of great laughs with boys and girls alike, and keep going hard till about 6AM. REPEAT. Also…
/r/seduction20/12/12 05:23 PM
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I'm with this guy. Except that you also jumop on the 'neeeext' bandwagon waay to soon. Maybe y'all get numbers of any chick just because you can, not just girls you actually would like to see again some time. Now, not to be mistaken, if you're still in pre-first-date phase OBVIOUSLY you should be GFTW all the way, no 'go' to it, that's just what you are doing when you are single and having first dates. But to drop the girl so quickly, meh, always worth at least an extra phone call or text or som…
/r/seduction20/12/12 05:17 PM
2

YES. Don't make a fuzz out of it either.
/r/seduction20/12/12 05:16 PM
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You're being way to hard on people here. My humble opinion is that if you pull the 'FUCK THAT BITCH SHE DOESNT DESERVE ME' card to soon on people, you miss out. It's a FIRST DATE, of course she isn't very invested in you yet. You should not be in her, either. I realize that makes me the odd one out here, but still. If she stands you up, and it's a really big deal for you, you either: put waaaay too much effort in a first date. A casual drink near your place or 'help me go shopping for clothes/gi…
/r/seduction20/12/12 04:02 PM
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Holy crap - that article was not bad, but the linked critique on 'hipsters on food stamps' was brilliant.
/r/seduction18/12/12 03:01 AM
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She sounds like a keeper.
/r/seduction16/12/12 10:59 PM
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Whatever, this was ballsy enough as it is. Speaking of which, did you actually have a boner while sitting there naked? That would turn from 'funny and edgy' to awkward/creepy very quickly I imagine...
/r/seduction16/12/12 09:38 PM
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HAhahaha, I was hoping it would be form somebody who actually did 'the naked man' and you didn't disappoint. Well fucking done mate - including the "that's a brilliant observation". Can't believe that actually works :-D
/r/seduction16/12/12 09:37 PM
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That's a fair point, and hard to argue with. I guess the conclusion is simply that I'm more forgiving of flaws than you (or most people I suspect), but I respect your stance on the matter. I'm aware there's some flaws in my reasoning as well :) (though I still stand by it)
/r/seduction13/12/12 07:48 PM
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Yeah yeah, sure, 'abundance mentality', let go for the slightest excuse possible and FTOW etc etc... But as soon as you accept that you match with some girls better than with others, you can say what you want, but that means that of all the girls you will be with over the course of a lifetime, there is one that you matched the best of all with. Now, IMHO, what you want to go for, is make that girl the one you eventually end up with for the last and longest possible. Now, if that girl had a boyfr…
/r/seduction13/12/12 06:55 PM
2

Then again, what if she is the greatest, best-matching girl you will ever run into in your life?
/r/seduction13/12/12 05:02 PM
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Haha, the 'appearently I'm a fetish' thing is so recognizable... I've had these moments too, were you 'game' your ass off, only to have her gasp 'wow I've always wanted to kiss a guy with a beard' and you realize that was like 80% of your 'game' :-D
/r/seduction13/12/12 05:00 PM
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Not sure the outcome will always be this spectacular :) (his brass words were obviously a big factor, but so was the fact he was American it seems)
/r/seduction13/12/12 04:49 PM
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/commentthread
/r/seduction13/12/12 04:18 PM
1

Here we are rooting you on for making a girl cheat on her boyfriend. To be fair, it seems like he really was a better person than her boyfriend, and (if the FR is sincere) if their brief little affair made her realize that she doesn't have to stay with the asshole forever, it may have been a good thing for her.
/r/seduction13/12/12 03:48 PM
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It's to stick with the 'closing' terminology I would guess, which makes sense.
/r/seduction11/12/12 04:56 PM
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Haha, that would be so over the top it might actually work :-D
/r/seduction06/12/12 10:52 PM
10

'So, I approached this UB3...'
/r/seduction06/12/12 07:33 PM
4

Technically he could have done one better and just ask to go for coffee right now.
/r/seduction06/12/12 07:31 PM
5

That's actually quite brilliant! And I imagine it puts a giant smile on both of your faces, which is as good an outcome of a boring situation as ever. You should write your number with 'I dare you!' on it or something on a giant sheet to press against the glass :)
/r/seduction06/12/12 07:30 PM
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say "I know this is out of the blue, but do you want to get coffee soon?" (I am curious whether prefacing it with an acknowledgement that my request is random is OK or if I should just jump to the question. Maybe it doesn't matter.) Naaah it's ok. It stresses the spontaneity and randomness of what you are doing, and both of those things are often liked a lot by girls.
/r/seduction06/12/12 07:28 PM
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Seddit - or the seduction community in general - did not create them, but boy did they make it a central 'paradigm' in their vocabulary. I hadn't heard of 'type a' and 'type b' I must admit (how beta ;)), but judging from the wikipedia article they seem not entirely the same as what we tend to call alpha and beta?
/r/seduction03/12/12 11:07 PM
1

Let's just all agree that being fat is a lot more likely to get you a disgusted/hostile look from girls when even insinuating the idea of her giving you attention, her number, or let alone a date. Eeeewwwww!
/r/seduction03/12/12 11:04 PM
2

I love to call it a date, and 'playfully' make a big deal out of it. 'Ready for our big date??? Better make sure you're dressed to kill!'
/r/seduction03/12/12 07:48 PM
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Off-topic, but: DEAR GOD I cringe so hard each time I hear those 'alpha' and 'beta' terms. Cut it out already. In real life, I love talking about picking up girls and all that surrounds it, but if somebody would use those words I'd be really put off and instantly consider them a huge loser. Luckily, nobody I know, however much they love thinking/talking about girls, would use those words, ever. If you go 'oh really, well, they are just handy terminology like so many terms in the seduction world,…
/r/seduction03/12/12 07:46 PM
1

girls in North America can be so icy As opposed to...?
/r/seduction03/12/12 07:17 PM
2

Sure, but there's no denying that looking bad is often not ideal, as Marski nicely illustrated.
/r/seduction03/12/12 07:16 PM
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This reminded me of something no-nonsense blogger and seduction veteran Sinn once wrote and that really resonated with me. You know how you have to be 'outcome independent', i.e. not care too much about what eventually comes of one specific interaction? But also, you have to put yourself out there and go for it, practice, no excuses, so really care about improving your game? So what is it, care or not care? As Sinn puts it: you have to care about trying
/r/seduction03/12/12 07:15 PM
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Yes, I am aware of that. Thing is, my love life is quite busy as it is just working with accidental instances like this, so apart from the occasional frustration (especially come spring/summer) of not talking to a specific girl that lasts only 5 minutes anyway, I'm good. It's a bit of a funny situation that I'm sure many here can relate to: by typical standards I have a wildly active love life (like, I don't know, when I'm single I'm with 5-10 girls per year or so, and routinely instant-date or …
/r/seduction03/12/12 09:06 AM
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I'm the same - if a girl 'crosses my path' somehow (e.g. sitting next to me on a train/plane, friend-of-a-friend at party) it's all doable, but approaching some random girl passing the other side of the street: whole different ball game.
/r/seduction03/12/12 08:35 AM
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Haha holy shit, now there's a nice and fast outcome. You definitely know how to close in style it seems! Rock'n roll.
/r/seduction03/12/12 12:14 AM
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Yay, short and sweet :) Let us know what happens next!
/r/seduction01/12/12 11:00 AM
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Just to give some perspective here, I don't think both goals are mutually exclusive. There are short and long term goals, and I happen to believe that you're not very likely to find true love if you suck at attracting girls in general. Concretely, over the past 2 years I've gotten laid with about a dozen of girls, most of them more than once - some in parallel fwb situations, some just one-night stands when travelling or whatever, and some where we were dating each other exclusively for a couple…
/r/seduction29/11/12 07:20 AM
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No need to be so defensive, I said I agreed with (most of) your points, and always respect people taking the time to write things like this up. Those are indeed common 'newbie' mistakes - it was more about word choice and overall tone, and, well, a too narrow focus of what goals 'improving at seduction' may help with. I think there are simply long term and short term goals, and my long term one is, well, happily ever after, yes. Not gonna deny that my road to fairytale love and happiness is pave…
/r/seduction29/11/12 07:18 AM
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I had an ex who didn't want to have sex until marriage, and that was fine with me (albeit a bit frustrating), but after 6 months she changed her mind and became a nympho. Which was awesome. That put a huge smile on my face. You got flair my man, as ever :-D
/r/seduction28/11/12 10:39 PM
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Healthy long term relationships also tend to start with feelings of attraction, and yes, having sex. So, apart obviously from his silly 'even if you don't find her that attractive just bang her anyway for practice' stuff, most of this advice is pretty applicable to increasing your chances of finding a great LTR as well.
/r/seduction28/11/12 10:38 PM
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I agree, this guy gives off a lot of the typical 'creepy PUA type' vibes - but maybe it's just unfortunate writing skills, because his points by themselves ring very true.
/r/seduction28/11/12 10:32 PM
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I don't think that fucking should be considered the end-all-be-all goal in seduction. I think that creating attraction with the girls you are interested in should be the goal. Or, to add some more perspective: my goal, for one, is to find true love and live happily ever after.
/r/seduction28/11/12 10:31 PM
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Djeezes christ, I consider myself pretty good with girls by now, but the numbers always casually thrown around are, well, a tad extreme or am I wrong? The typical newbie: virgin or a guy with less than 30 lays I would argue that if you've been laid 15 times you're hardly a 'newbie' when it comes to girls. Am I being naive?
/r/seduction28/11/12 10:30 PM
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Exactly. The first couple of days we just hung out together a lot (since she was sleeping on our couch), and while it was pretty obvious for the beginning that we really liked each other, it only 'escalated' in a wild sex session after a couple of days. I like to think that those first days of 'building up', where we just went for walks and played music and discussed about our favorite topics etc etc, while gradually becoming more obviously attracted to each other and getting more 'touchy', made…
/r/seduction24/11/12 10:07 AM
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I am now in, that trough circumstances started with the girl staying at our place for 3 weeks (extended Couch Surfing :)), and we only really got together after a couple of days of 'living together', and it has been the most exhilerating love affair I have had in 2 years, blowing all of the 'sex on the first date' affairs out of the water. I am tempted to attribute it to those first days we spent together without hooking up. (well, that and her being one of the most amazing girls I've ever met o…
/r/seduction24/11/12 09:52 AM
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I'm surprised she doesn't just give you a blank 'huh' stare. But as mentioned elsewhere, it is an opener, and quite a clever one, and after it you're talking so that's good :)
/r/seduction24/11/12 09:43 AM
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Speak to her more and it turns out she is a dumbass or she is selfish or ignorant or crazy ass down right bi-polar. Now, that's what everybody is always pointing out. 'once you talk to her you will realize that you are projecting qualities on her because of her beauty' But I am not intimidated by beautiful women. I am intimidated by beautiful, caring yet strong, extremely intelligent, ambitious women with a great sense of humor and a life filled with interesting activities and people. So, yes, I…
/r/seduction23/11/12 08:17 PM
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Thanks for the extensive reply! As for the 'issue' you have: the solution is simply to go for women of, say, 20-25 years. They are not looking for babies, are generally more adventurous and looking for a fun time, have less 'bagage', and, well, as a bonus they tend to be prettier :) Of course, to each his own 'target demographic' I guess, after all I don't know how old you are. You sound like a seriously cool and sincere guy by the way - pretty easy to imagine the ladies loving you. My speed dat…
/r/seduction22/11/12 04:09 PM
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Got invited to a speed dating event, came here to see if there's anything fun to read on the topic, found your FR, and liked it! Shame you got so little comments, because it's a great read. I'm gonna try to do the same I think, just open as many of them as possible before the event, and shoot random questions to avoid the 'job interview' stuff. Good times, good times. You call yourself a newb, but you're obviously fast on the way to be getting girls all the time, and having fun while doing it. D…
/r/seduction22/11/12 01:38 PM
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Should I fake it if I do not have it or not? Yes, fake it, confidence is a self-perpatuating circle thingie, where if you have it, people will treat you nicer which will give you real confidence. The way to break into this circle is to 'fake it'. Luckily, there's nothing shady about 'faking' confidence, it's about smiling, posture, etc... So you are not really lying or anything when appearing in a confident way, it's about on the same level as dressing nicely for a day even though it's not how y…
/r/seduction12/11/12 08:57 AM
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I want to know of she's cool, smart, has a sense of humor, is single, and has interest in enough of a range of topics to make spending lots of time with her a blast. Go :)
/r/seduction06/11/12 01:16 PM
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I'm in your boat! I have periods of rather intense 'gaming' / dating changed with even more satisfying periods of intence dating / doing / romanticizing with the results of those previous periods. Gaming all the time (succesfully) sounds very tiring, and ultimately even boring to me. Currently enjoying a great time with a girlfriend (though the circumstances are such that it's bound to end in a couple of months, abroad etc etc) and not missing the 'gaming' in the slightest. Cool to know that the…
/r/seduction02/11/12 02:14 PM
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To use an example from physics undergrad (because I'm a physics undergrad) :-D (also: fuck yeah from a fellow physicist here!)
/r/seduction01/11/12 06:06 PM
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Well, for, you know, more original content and stuff. 'here' is an entire subreddit full of content after all, not just reformulations of things that can be found in the sidebar. Now, that said, I didn't mean to be harsh - there's always new people coming here and as the number of upvotes implies, many clearly found value in what you wrote, so it's definitely nice that you took the time to do it!
/r/seduction01/11/12 06:05 PM
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Tl;dr stuff we all have heard over and over again, but written with a sterner voice
/r/seduction01/11/12 01:43 PM
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Makes sense, and I do the same, but I think if you do that too often eventually they just won't come back, and you won't come at all :)
/r/seduction29/10/12 04:59 PM
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but I really don't know if scolding the girl would win you points. I think the point is this: don't care about 'winning points' all the goddamn time. Let's see how that looks in 'motivational quote' format: You know what wins you points with girls? Not trying to win points.
/r/seduction29/10/12 03:51 PM
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All this after one year? Inspirational sidebar-worthy material right there. Awesome post, thanks for taking the time! Only thing I didn't find myself nodding in agreement with was the one on focussing on pleasing her. I do think this is the best 'default' additude to have, if you please her good and often, she'll naturally return you the favor :)
/r/seduction29/10/12 03:48 PM
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Haha, so am I, though I branched out to keys, singing and guitar quite soon - with according results with the girls :) Not that I did that for that purpose of course, bass is just a bit... dull I would say, especially if you are into writing music and playing on your own. Never been tempted to pick up a guitar?
/r/seduction26/10/12 07:43 AM
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... Only if the girl ever sees you performing :) I kid, but only partially: at the very early stages of getting to know each other, i's quite ridiculous how fast a girl starts drooling as soon as she finds out that you play, say, in a rock band or something. (and then how fast she loses interest again if it turns out you are the bass player)
/r/seduction25/10/12 03:17 PM
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Remember guys: it helps massively in your success with girls if you do something that puts you on a stage somehow. (not to discount OP's story, which is exceptionally awesome independent of his being a musician)
/r/seduction25/10/12 09:23 AM
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Not being afraid to tease mercilessly however short you know her for.
/r/seduction24/10/12 09:15 PM
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Yeah, same here - and while that sounds like a good thing, I've been wondering lately if it's also not dangerous for classifying myself into 'intense but not forever' territory from the getgo. I've been playing with the idea of intentionally not going for the kiss/makeout/f-close on the first date, even if I feel I can get it. It's like, the opposite problem of being consistently friendzoned :) We should talk about this more sometimes here, the downsides of having (and using) game for your love …
/r/seduction23/10/12 07:48 AM
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Don't let all those sluttily dressed groups of women pass you by!
/r/seduction17/10/12 07:14 PM
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ok, we're getting somewhere. What question?
/r/seduction16/10/12 09:48 PM
2

... I think it would work equally well (or even better) when you say it's about a female friend?
/r/seduction15/10/12 10:39 AM
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this isn't an opener, this is a excuse to talk to her. they're different. How?
/r/seduction15/10/12 10:38 AM
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Oh dear god the concept of "I am shopping for somebody like you" is AWESOME. One of the best (and most universally usable) openers I have ever found, you could use this one pretty much everywhere I think. As others pointed out, no need to lie about having a sister, but whatever you can just say it's a female friend you're giftshopping for (bonus points in 'social value' of having close female friends). Definitely gonna try this one.
/r/seduction15/10/12 10:38 AM
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Rather the confidence acquired through seduction-type stuff :) (though a life time of "oh boy you must be so smart" definitely helped, to a point where I'm a bit scared it has become a bit too much of an unconscious qualification for myself - after all intelligence is deeply overrated imho)
/r/seduction12/10/12 03:09 PM
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Nobody assumes I have social smarts because of my book smarts - they just tend to be more 'forgiving' on the social front because of them. It's just a gut feeling of course, but the bit of social smarts that I have, combined with my shockingly nerdy 'curriculum' of interests and education, seems to be respected more highly somehow. To put it another way, typical quote after learning about my hyper-nerdy background/interests, but also having a delightful time during the conversation I get: "Wow, …
/r/seduction12/10/12 02:42 PM
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I am in a strangely advantageous position when it comes to caring about acting stupid: people often assume in advance that I'm really smart based on my degree. So I can be/act as stupid as I want and make fun of myself for it and it's ok. Hooray, yet another advantage for science! :) (they assume so wrongly though, I'm quite an idiot in many ways, but that's not the point here :)) NOTE: actually, as long as you make fun of it yourself, any presumptions people had about your intelligence don't ev…
/r/seduction12/10/12 12:32 PM
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Man you're good :)
/r/seduction12/10/12 11:47 AM
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You jest, but I've often complimented titties (while also explicitely looking at them) and it always made for nice conversation. I do this all the time once I'm actually with a girl and got to see them of course (because, well, I love em), but also a lot earlier sometimes. It shows you don't care about 'the norm' I think.
/r/seduction12/10/12 11:46 AM
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I have a feeling seddit's getting better again after a bit of a 'weak' period if you ask me. Nice!
/r/seduction08/10/12 03:03 PM
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Oh hi tofu, long time no see/read, great you're more active again! (unless I'm wrong) How've you been? Started a LTR but decided you're more into the seddit life after all? :)
/r/seduction08/10/12 02:58 PM
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That's more my style. Or something like 'wow, wow, slept with? I'm still trying to work up the courage to kiss you!' (regardless of whether or not you already just slept with her)
/r/seduction08/10/12 02:54 PM
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Relationships are hard, even the good ones. But dammit, love is worth putting yourself out there and being vulnerable with your partner. Not really relevant here, since OP's (imho excellent) post talks about when it's no longer your partner. That said, your comment really rings true to me when it comes to /r/sex.
/r/seduction06/10/12 08:53 PM
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"Let's make a story!"
/r/seduction05/10/12 04:14 PM
1

Haha, high five for totally doing totally absurd random stuff. Would never do this in any place where I could run into anybody even remotely likely to know somebody who knows me. Shame you didn't get to fuck her while wearing her dress though :)
/r/seduction05/10/12 01:01 PM
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Naaah, I for one like explaining stuff to people and think it's a fun way of interacting, and that includes girls.
/r/seduction04/10/12 08:19 PM
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Touching story, but the only morale is that you should not just do her home work, from a distance. Coming over to her/your place and helping her while sitting next to each other is still nice though.
/r/seduction04/10/12 02:14 PM
2

Sure, explaining stuff to people is always a nice way to interact. Tease them about anything but sucking at the homework though.
/r/seduction04/10/12 02:13 PM
3

I, for one, have no trouble at all with EA as soon as we're connecting in any kind of way, but AA I still have really badly. In other words my seduction experience can be described as 'making the most of what happens to come my way' :)
/r/seduction28/09/12 02:09 PM
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Sucks to hear that man. Give her some space at first, but don't give up on seeing / talking to her if you really like her! (contrary to the advice others here will without doubt give you)
/r/seduction27/09/12 12:22 PM
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Internet high five :D That feeling rocks indeed. Must have shocked her pretty hard (and by 'shock' I mean 'gave her some nagging doubts about her decision')
/r/seduction27/09/12 12:20 PM
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am known in the "industry" to a certain degree That's understating it a bit, since the Keys To The Vip episode. (guys, search 'cajun keys to the vip' or whatever on youtube and be blown away by what this rather ugly dude can do :))
/r/seduction26/09/12 10:48 AM
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Don't feel too bad about it - finding a woman is not a bad outcome after all :) But yeah, don't go for just that.
/r/seduction25/09/12 12:30 PM
2

Just a quick note saying that how like this aspect of reddit: as a 'self promotion' platform, but the self promotion happening trough providing nice and extremely on-topic content. Something similar (albeit a bit more silly) is happening over at /r/standupshots and I can't do anything but appreciate it. If only all 'ads' were like this. Thanks for the write-up! My thought was: damn, following this advice is gonna be costly, both in time and money :)
/r/seduction25/09/12 12:29 PM
1

I started my 3rd round of /nofap before this, 3 days in. This is the point where I feel the extra testosterone kick in. Instead of being conflict-shy, I feel agitated. Instead of quivering I feel like punching something. Yeah that effect kinda scares me.
/r/seduction24/09/12 02:47 PM
2

I'd say /r/askseddit comes close to that, in spirit at least.
/r/seduction18/09/12 03:45 PM
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nner game is the foundation for outer game. Outer game is like little tricks and tips. When you have strong inner game, outer game will come through naturally. Actually, in my experience it goes a bit like this. The learning-about-seduction process Start with using 'outer game' stuff - e.g. react by agreeing and amplifying when a girl is 'testing' you where before you would have just mumbled an apology. Find that that kind of stuff actually gets you girls, dates, and thus increases your contact …
/r/seduction18/09/12 02:32 PM
4

The coveted 'inner game' actually comes automatically after that.
/r/seduction18/09/12 02:26 PM
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/r/getmotivated
/r/seduction18/09/12 02:25 PM
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A-fucking-men. What is often called 'inner game' here is pretty much synonymous with the goal we're trying to reach, but presented as advice it is not a lot of steps higher on the usefulness ladder than 'just be yourself'.
/r/seduction18/09/12 02:24 PM
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Being reactive is always beta. Throwing insults only brings you down to a lower, non-value giving level. Oh sod off, it feels good to not be afraid to talk back to a pretty girl that thinks she has the right to give you shit just for saying a friendly hi to a stranger. Nothing 'beta' about having standards like that if you ask me. Then again, general friendliness (including to strangers) is one of the qualities that I look for in a girl. Setting your 'criterea' beyond 'hot' is another one of the…
/r/seduction17/09/12 08:05 AM
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you're really cute Now, see, the problem is that there's no decent way to translate this to my language without sounding like a total jackass :( There's no 'cute' way like that of saying a girl looks, well, beautiful. (Dutch from Belgium btw) But Thanks for sharing this! I'd love to see more of things like this, 'universal fallbacks'.** I think mine would be to start talking about the fact that strangers are so afraid of each other and they don't dare to connect, and I think we should not give i…
/r/seduction17/09/12 07:56 AM
1

I'm very fascinated by the whole /r/nofap movement (especially after seeing the linked TEDx video). But if anything I would like a bit less sexual energy (since horniness can feel like a burden sometimes which I don't like), not more. Wondering if there's a /r/morefap or something :)
/r/seduction15/09/12 04:26 PM
1

Still awesome though. And you still must have given out some hottie vibe for them to go for you like this.
/r/seduction15/09/12 04:06 PM
2

Contrary to popular opinion, I often do like to buy a girl a drink (not as opener of course, but if we're talking for a couple of minutes and, well, I want a beer, I'll ask her if she wants a drink). Typically she will get her wallet, but I just say "never mind, next round's on you." The compliance test if she indeed buys a next round.
/r/seduction15/09/12 04:04 PM
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just being an awesome person and being happy with yourself Couldn't agree more with this, and I love how the whole seduction thing has evolved beyond 'impress the girl by DHV and lowering her value etc etc' to more of a self-improvement edge, where attraction is created mainly by being confident and feeling good with who you are, and being generally fun and interesting to be around. Or like you say, attraction not even being necessarily a goal at all sometimes, as long as you feel good. BUT I co…
/r/seduction10/09/12 07:09 PM
1

After reading this thread and thinking this over a bit, my conclusion is I would have simply answered with something like: 'nope, but it's cool if you wanna hang with him - let's reschedule [our first date] then, I'll get back to you.'
/r/seduction10/09/12 03:07 PM
1

Naaah, still applies: it's not saying that you don't do relationships, it's that the conversation/plan is not about them, it's about a date. Talking relationships this early is just irrelevant.
/r/seduction10/09/12 03:05 PM
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As some people here sometimes seem to forget: the end goal is not to be properly 'alpha' (god how I've come to hate that term), the end goal is getting the girl.
/r/seduction10/09/12 03:02 PM
2

Thanks, TIL. I always love little tidbits of 'general culture' like this. My first pass at the game of Cyrano might just involve stating something about the play of Cyrano - meta FTW.
/r/seduction10/09/12 08:02 AM
2

This is similar to a game I've read about earlier (probably here) where you just can point to any of your friends and then to a girl saying 'go approach that girl' and they have to do it. But yours is better because of the ridiculous factor and the fancy cultural name.
/r/seduction10/09/12 07:54 AM
8

Could you sum it up for us anyway please? Wikipedia gives a plot summary but it's too long for my attention spa
/r/seduction10/09/12 07:53 AM
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Also, you might find it's somehow EASIER to not feel AA when you're playing this game because the lines are so ridiculous that if you get rejected you can't take it personally. Brilliant. I have to start making pterodactyl noises more often to girls. Maybe to ease into the habit I can start with a mix of opinion openers, asking her what she thinks of my pterodactyl noise.
/r/seduction10/09/12 07:52 AM
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Nope, that completely changes things. Very well done basing yourself on more than just her looks. (if you're being honest and not post-rationalizing what you perceive as a mistake here of course)
/r/seduction09/09/12 01:36 PM
1

Go on talking to not make that moment too big a deal. Easiest way is to ask her a question.
/r/seduction09/09/12 01:35 PM
1

You clearly have a knack for this, nice :)
/r/seduction09/09/12 01:34 PM
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That was very nice, but at the end of the day you ended up with exactly the same as those other 5 guys: not her number. So: yes you messed up - screw 'maintaining your frame' if that holds you back to get what you want. You should have said I like you, let's meet, gimme your number. Good that you're outcome independent, except you're not outcome independent enough to take risks it seems. But, fuck all that, plenty of girls around and it's great that you can hold it together with them - good stuf…
/r/seduction08/09/12 02:11 PM
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One caveat though: only really works if you are confident and not frustrated about your current dating/sex life. It's like that great friends episode about money, and some of the group always wanting to go to fancy places, and others hating it because they don't have the money. Ross: "we just don't see money as that big of an issue." Rachel: "that's because you have it."
/r/seduction06/09/12 11:58 AM
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I'm sorry that you had to read that.
/r/seduction04/09/12 02:46 PM
5

That's the best :-D
/r/seduction02/09/12 06:45 PM
2

It's not despite her being only 17 that she treated you this nicely, it's because.
/r/seduction02/09/12 06:44 PM
2

I do this all the time, making somebody's day is one of the best feelings out there - great that you did it, the world needs more people like you! I have a bit of a similar story that I shared over here, on a sadly unknown sub made for those: http://www.reddit.com/r/mystory/comments/yjb4h/i_got_ripped_off_by_a_beggar_explained_him_my/
/r/seduction31/08/12 02:28 PM
3

Nice that for once this is illustrated with something that, by about any standard, would be a sad, lame and boring night. People always accompany there advice with some kick-ass FR, while leaving the lesser stories at a vague 'you need to dare to fail'. Which could potentially make anybody who takes the leap to go out alone but doesn't have a lot to show for it make feel like a loser and 'doing it wrong'. You didn't, and it makes the 'inner game' message infinitely more powerful. Here is how it …
/r/seduction30/08/12 05:14 PM
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With all that said and done, first of all thanks a million for your advice here, but I still mainly think: but what do we talk about? Now, first of all, don't get me wrong, I've been with plenty of women by now, have absolute confidence in myself and feel pretty great about the person that I am, have experience, conversation skills, can turn anything casual into a longer chat, can get people to laugh easily, and have the general 'being good with girls' down (naturally touching them, knowing when…
/r/seduction28/08/12 11:53 PM
1

Not sure why I ended up in this thread again, but: care to share some of the openers? I'm sure you use the same openers sometimes - you have a huge opportunity for going science-y here! Just create a spreadsheet, jot down the opening phrase you used, and indicate if you used it, and if the outcome was a number or not. For science!
/r/seduction27/08/12 10:09 AM
1

Shitty bar near your apartment. After one drink "This place sucks, let's go have some wine at my place." Haha why did I never think of this (and why am I in this thread 4 months after it went down)? For this idea alone you should get an award. My colleagues are gonna start wondering where my huge grin suddenly comes from.
/r/seduction27/08/12 10:04 AM
1

I... don't get it? Is that how it's actually spelled?
/r/seduction27/08/12 09:45 AM
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lol, way to use a sensational headline only to contradict it entirely trough you post. Looks don't matter, except you should decide on which look you want and than obtain it?
/r/seduction20/08/12 09:45 AM
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Unlike most 'wall of text' FR's I completely read trough this one in one go, very nice! It's cool that you are so coolly observant about yourself, flaws included; I'm sure that's the kind of additude that gets you far in life. Also, as somebody who still has never done a 'direct approach' in his life: respect :)
/r/seduction19/08/12 01:50 PM
4

Recovering from a poorly responded to neg is a helluva job though :)
/r/seduction18/08/12 05:01 PM
2

Interestingly, in a world where every guy would use negs, being flattering and friendly would become the way to go again :)
/r/seduction18/08/12 05:00 PM
16

I imagine "do you want one". Or perhaps, starting to blush and sweat and run away in panic, who knows.
/r/seduction17/08/12 12:41 PM
4

Amen. Personally, I'll take banging a hot girl over a night with the friends I see each week any day.
/r/seduction16/08/12 04:23 PM
4

Sorry but unless the girl is really self-centered pain in the ass bore, option 1 is the most fun to me. Also, if the girl is being boring, you can always try to make the interaction more fun again (flat out saying 'stop it, you're whining' is always nice) rather than finding somebody new and starting all over again.
/r/seduction16/08/12 04:22 PM
1

Would be kinda cool if the cards also had the option to have your phone number and a 'what made me like you' option or something
/r/seduction15/08/12 07:19 PM
2

THIS GUY GETS IT (also, it's already working because we're talking about it)
/r/seduction15/08/12 07:18 PM
1

Apart from all the other nice advice in this thread, here's something very concrete that should solve most of your 'oh no I am so inexperienced will I be able to please her' doubts: as soon as her pants are off, go down on her.
/r/seduction14/08/12 05:20 PM
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That's very true - it isn't common at all, and definitely not common enough to fulfill all the wishes of the guys out there, so hell yes that a forum like this fills a need :) Just saying they exist, and that it's all generally more of a spectrum than people often think. Well, than I used to think at least.
/r/seduction14/08/12 01:17 AM
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I'm not talking about 'asking'. I'm talking about observing how some girls can go out, hit on a guy they find hot and take him home, have a wonderful fuck, and then sigh at how the guy just won't let it be what it was: just good sex, no more, please stop texting me and falling in love with me just because we had some good times physically.
/r/seduction13/08/12 08:55 PM
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Well, I kinda get it, I mean it's obvious some girls like a thrill like that - but deep inside I resent it when that happens. It's like you're punished for having a bit of a well-rounded (with both adventurous, unpredictable, confident but also 'sweet' aspects) rather like a one-dimensional personality.
/r/seduction13/08/12 07:59 PM
3

women love a project, a project to change a bad boy into the most loving bf/husband Yeah that one's always funny. They chase you, are all excited about you, are extatic about you completely dominate them in bed and setting the agenda, all the while continuously complain that you are an unpredictable, unreliable, self-centered, bad influence, no-future worst possible boyfriend, never showing any affection kinda guy, then you make one nice gesture, aaaaand ... you've lost them forever :)
/r/seduction13/08/12 03:43 PM
3

NEVER on prime dating time like Friday or Saturday Night, those are nights for people who are in a serious relationship This is brilliant - I have always subconsciously done this, but never realized why. This is why. Fridays/saturdays are for 'common' dating and doing your regular social activities - week days are for experiencing the bubble outside of life we are creating together.
/r/seduction13/08/12 03:13 PM
3

You strongly underestimate how much women can be 'typically manly' when it comes to sex/relationships.
/r/seduction13/08/12 03:11 PM
4

Awesome post. My experience is largely the same: it's all about framing. I still struggle with this, but indeed if you keep the interaction entirely playful from beginning to end, and show extreme comfort in sex/nudity, it's gonna be entirely different then if you talk more about 'deeper' issues, had more than 1 date before sleeping together, etc... Only problem is that I love to talk about 'deep' issues, even with people I just met :) It's as much (if not more) fun as typical flirting is to me.
/r/seduction13/08/12 03:10 PM
1

I meant to say that you a word in the comment I replied to.
/r/seduction13/08/12 02:03 PM
3

Last I heard the goal of seduction was to get laid. Last I heard, people have all sorts of goals :-p
/r/seduction13/08/12 12:53 PM
2

You're... sure? hoping? positive?
/r/seduction13/08/12 12:30 PM
2

The other thing to keep in mind is that this will likely be the only time in your life when there's at least several thousand attractive, (usually) smart girls who all live within a 3-mile radius, and in a situation where drinking/partying/hookups are the social norm and usually encouraged. :(
/r/seduction13/08/12 12:30 PM
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That may be an effective way to score the most girls, but I personally cherish my "let's just see what happens" attitude too much to go down this road. The big difference is that to be happy, you absolutely have to get rid of this part that you correctly spot as detrimental: But we all know what "see what happens" really means. In reality, we are defining the night, we're just doing it in vague and abstract terms. "See what happens" really means, "I want to get laid." But it's said in such a vag…
/r/seduction12/08/12 10:43 PM
2

But how do we get satisfaction? How do we eliminate the voice that says "you should've done more," even after we've blown past our comfort zone? I think for me (having gotten my share of lots of dating and sleeping around and getting cute girls and whatnot), the end will be when I hook up with an amazing girl and we eventually fall in love with each other and start an equally amazing relationship that lasts for, ideally, a life time.
/r/seduction12/08/12 10:40 PM
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The takeaway story here is that guys already know if they want to sleep with you or not Never thought of it like that, but that's very well put, nice. all you have to do is ask, and you have nothing to lose. ... Except the 'humiliation' of rejection if it happens to be that the guy thought that he doesn't want to sleep with you. Now, you and me as sedditors both know that this fear is silly, counterproductive and something irrational that will only hamper you in life. But for many others, probab…
/r/seduction11/08/12 02:39 PM
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Interestingly, come to think of it, I think a good way to go as a girl is to follow the advice given here anyway. Most of it is aimed at spiking interest in people who have choice in partners, standing out so you are the one they choose. Now here's the deal, it's something I have come to realize and experience first-handed: the better a guy is with women, the more his situation changes into the typical female's. Social interactions with strangers become easy and plenty, he mercilesly selects on …
/r/seduction11/08/12 11:20 AM
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Just walk up to a dude and start talking to him about anything at all. Interestingly, that's the same kind of advice people often give out to men, and if there's something we learned here it is that it does not always feel that 'simple' now does it? I agree that the trick is to get over AA and learn some outcome-independence for girls, but it must be equally (if not more) scary for them as it is for us if they haven ever tried it before. It's not like girls cannot be rejected, for example if the…
/r/seduction11/08/12 11:15 AM
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lol, woke up, checked reddit on my phone and was confused because my thought was exactly that, about my own date. For different reasons though: okc date, turned out from the very start I couldn't stand her, wanted to punch her in the face most of the time; but for some stupid reason I stuck it out, like some kind of personal challenge to myself or something, how zen. Kissed her instead of punching her in the face, invited her home, and had the worst sex ever. Meh :-( I gotta learn to man up with…
/r/seduction11/08/12 11:10 AM
1

I've been approaching girls for years now, but I still can't bring myself to open directly. To each his own I guess.
/r/seduction09/08/12 11:48 AM
1

You beat that by calling a friend to go have a drink with, and then by trying again next time!
/r/seduction08/08/12 07:35 PM
2

High five from a fellow okc enthusiast! There is definitely a higher than average population of crazies (but not all the kind you describe) on there, but then again I'm pretty crazy myself so I don't mind.
/r/seduction04/08/12 04:25 PM
2

Looks like Luc's looks got a bit in the way of his luck.
/r/seduction02/08/12 06:21 PM
3

Let's call it 'pomodoro pickup'. (google 'pomodoro method' or something, it's a time management technique involving a tomato)
/r/seduction02/08/12 11:09 AM
1

You. Got. Balls.
/r/seduction02/08/12 11:08 AM
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"she acts this way because ________, this is how you can counter/avoid/whatever it" The problem is though, verrrry often this is actually true. It's painful to realize how much people will act the same, and of course we all are individuals, but in general many people will have verrrry similar tendencies, motivations, ways of reasoning, etc etc... It is why the entire field of psychology can exist. Also, the closer you get to 'primitive' thoughts/behavior (hungry people will crave food), the more…
/r/seduction01/08/12 06:50 PM
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With the culture of requiring things exchanged to be tested, reported back etc etc with FR's - it's not scientifical in the typical sense, but it IS how science gathers knowledge as well. You know how things like 'kino', 'talk to everybody' and 'always assume attraction' keep popping up? That's in part because there are fads (after all, 'negs' used to be like that and now nobody talks about them anymore), but also in part because they are confirmed to work over and over again.
/r/seduction01/08/12 06:41 PM
1

No problem - main 'guru' inspiration for thia came from the 'double your dating' mailbag from david deangelo btw.
/r/seduction01/08/12 09:02 AM
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Don't worry, guy calling first is how the game is played. If it's not the first date, I always try to agree on a next meeting at the end of the previous one though, I don't like all that arranging from a distance.
/r/seduction31/07/12 03:31 PM
3

Do I understand correctly that you built up your skills almost entirely by going out all on your own? In any case, nice read!
/r/seduction31/07/12 03:29 PM
6

Your only true competition is in the mirror FTFY
/r/seduction31/07/12 03:28 PM
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Because it's typically associated with 'gays' or 'not very manly' guys, so wearing that shows that you don't care being perceived that way. Makes sense?
/r/seduction31/07/12 01:54 PM
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Teasing someone I've just met might start off a little bit unnatural compared to someone I am already somewhat comfortable with/know. Yes, yes, it does. But bite the bullet and do it anyway, really, as early as your 3rd phrase or something, as if you were already comfortable with them. Prepare to be shocked :) (The reaction you are aiming for is jaw dropped, and typically right afterwards biting their lip and hitting you on the arm. This is when you casually start talking about something else as…
/r/seduction30/07/12 11:57 PM
1

I am now imagining walking up to a girl and just saying the words 'ping pong' followed by a blank stare. Could work.
/r/seduction30/07/12 11:20 PM
2

"Hey you know that shit's really ba... [pull out your own cigarettes] Just kidding, got a light?"
/r/seduction30/07/12 11:18 PM
4

"Hey, can I offer you a glass of tap water?"
/r/seduction30/07/12 11:17 PM
5

Just point to it and say 'hey... Is that yours?'
/r/seduction30/07/12 09:56 PM
3

Hey, I have a question but it's a bit personal: I had this crazy ex who wanted to do 'candle play' where you involve hot candle wax in your foreplay somehow. I was like 'wtf' but apparently there's even a movie where they do it - was wondering if this is some kind of girls can have or something?
/r/seduction30/07/12 09:55 PM
1

So, let's hear your take on some of the top-level comments then! :)
/r/seduction30/07/12 09:53 PM
2

With me, saying something (that I find) funny is not really that much of a 'conscious effort' as much as a habit even in my own head. My mind seems to constantly be pointing out the absurdity of situations and (potential) scenarios to me - saying them out loud is only the final step. Not sure if that makes sense?
/r/seduction30/07/12 09:17 PM
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Hey there - people always call talking to girls a 'game' or 'gaming', but I don't think it is a game at all, there's more to people than just 'winning' or 'losing' them. What do you think?
/r/seduction30/07/12 07:48 PM
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'hey, I just downed 4 red bulls. Tell me, do I have some crazy manic look in my eyes right now or not?' (I imagine saying that while making a silly manic face should work in setting a cheery mood)
/r/seduction30/07/12 04:28 PM
1

Energy drinks
/r/seduction30/07/12 04:27 PM
1

'what do you think of a guy wearing a pink shirt? Gay or shows he has confidence?'
/r/seduction30/07/12 04:27 PM
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Shirts
/r/seduction30/07/12 04:27 PM
1

Haha, seriously? Awesome! You're welcome :) We should make a thread purely based on these, the big fresh 'invent some openers' thread or something. EDIT: DONE.
/r/seduction30/07/12 04:23 PM
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Ouch! One of my bigger fears as well :)
/r/seduction30/07/12 03:35 PM
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For me, hands down: TEASING. Tease her sooner, and more relentlessly, than you ever thought was reasonable/polite with somebody you just met. That, and fighting hard against the urge to keep talking with her. Tease, and say 'sorry I gotta go' when the conversation is still 'hot'. (disclaimer: I didn't actually read your entire post, just the title question, sorry if my answer makes no sense. But teasing more than I ever held possible with being stared at in admiration rather than hit in the face…
/r/seduction30/07/12 03:31 PM
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This... is actually one of the most amazing ideas I've read here in a long while. Just in the 30 seconds after reading your post I came up with these: Shirts 'what do you think of a guy wearing a pink shirt? Gay or shows he has confidence?' Energy drinks 'hey, I just downed 4 red bulls. Tell me, do I have some crazy manic look in my eyes right now or not?' (I imagine saying that while making a silly manic face should work in setting a cheery mood) Excel Tricky one, but hey, I'll take the challen…
/r/seduction30/07/12 12:52 PM
1

This is like a parody on 'feel good man!'
/r/seduction30/07/12 08:33 AM
1

Hey awesome, I just rewatched your KTTVIP performance and your Men's room interview yesterday! Especially the Men's Room interview is awesome, you have a great talent for explaining shit. My question is this: how much do you still do the 'impressing the girl' kind of thingies (or 'interactive value demonstrations'), palm reading and things like that? They are classic 'old school Mystery Method', but I don't like them, and feel that you can get by just as well without relying on silly stuff like …
/r/seduction30/07/12 08:19 AM
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Obviously there's a large correlation between communication skills and both seduction skills and writing skills - so yeah, I'd say it's not a coincidence. Then again, I have a bit of a reputation among my peers for relating my failures with girls in a very colorful way :)
/r/seduction26/07/12 09:55 AM
1

Aaah welcome to a whole new kind of stress that's typically only for girls: the stress of waiting for the other to take the initiative. Will she truly text me?
/r/seduction26/07/12 09:54 AM
1

We got a contender for tofutofu in awesome FR's here it seems. Somebody, put this with the 'motivational stories' in the sidebar's beginner post!
/r/seduction25/07/12 07:22 PM
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I began by comparing the two girls to those girls from my elementary school who would always stalk me on the playground and try to kiss me. Is this real, did you make it up, or did you read/hear it somewhere? Just curious, because that story is good in soooo many ways.
/r/seduction25/07/12 07:14 PM
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But if a man is afraid of driving women away, (in a woman's mind) it must mean he doesn't have a lot of them in his life. That's why teasing women is so crucial in seduction. I've always known (and applied) this instinctively but never managed to put it so eloquently. You got talent for writing my man! It's also insane how subtle a woman's detection of this is. I'm in a bit of a 'dry spell' now after a long period of serious womanizing (trying to 'get off women' a bit, for myself), and those gir…
/r/seduction25/07/12 07:11 PM
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That was pretty brilliant (and exciting hehe) to read, but fuck I could never bring myself to do all that typing.
/r/seduction23/07/12 01:46 PM
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lol @ that last line, almost as if you look forward to the FR more than the actual events that will take place ;) In any case, that was solid game and fun to read, thanks for sharing!
/r/seduction23/07/12 10:29 AM
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Whoa. Never heard about this term before, but: if there is one area I could be considered a 'natural' in, it's 100% this. I can (and do) have conversations like this all the time, with anybody, after only exchanging 2 phrases, without any effort. I feel that this has played almost as big - if not bigger - a role in my carreer (and getting girls) as anything else. Now if only I were a bit better at approaching ...
/r/seduction23/07/12 08:23 AM
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I hear you, and pretty much agree - but part of what makes this so difficult is that: I myself am not always 100% sure of what I want, especially when I just met the girl and like her. I imagine it's easy if you are going for a 'one night stand and GTFO please' kinda thing, but that's never the case for me. Things may change over time - blowing up all possibilities of 'serious' (well, at least making it so explicit) early on is a bit of a risky thing. I have to admit I kinda love this tension al…
/r/seduction20/07/12 03:31 PM
1

I know this, but I am still very guilty of 'leaving it in the open', aka being well aware that the girl is hoping things may develop into something more serious, while in my head it's just some carefree playing. Not nice, I know, but damn it's so hard to fight this. I've never thought of a way of saying "I am not looking for anything serious" out loud without completely spoiling the atmosphere. If she isn't either she will think I'm an arrogant prick for thinking she is needy, and if she is she …
/r/seduction20/07/12 02:26 PM
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No worries, that was pretty damn nice!
/r/seduction20/07/12 11:10 AM
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'[first an answer to her last question]; but hey, we're starting to become teenage text-message buddies here :-p Let's just meet, fast!' (ignore anything from then on that is not directly about planning a meeting)
/r/seduction20/07/12 11:08 AM
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who is a near match I think the exact same. Don't be too serious, deflect 'shit tests' with laughing at them, be interesting...
/r/seduction20/07/12 11:05 AM
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Well, except if he actually wanted, you know, hit on her with success.
/r/seduction19/07/12 11:56 AM
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Well, they would sure react a lot better had he just started a friendly conversation instead of making it so blatantly obvious 'flirting' from the get-go.
/r/seduction19/07/12 10:07 AM
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I often just start talking about myself. Tell stories, anecdotes of what happened earlier, observations, anything you would also talk about to a friend. Lots of "isn't it funny that..." or "man, I sure wish I..." or things like that. Contrary to what you'd think, this does not necessarily makes you come across as a self-centered jerk. Sharing thoughts and experiences is just more fun conversation than job interviews.
/r/seduction19/07/12 10:05 AM
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Touching her. It's quite amazing that we all use such a complicated/obscure term ('kino' comes from 'kinestatics' or something) when, really, 100%, all it means is touching her.
/r/seduction19/07/12 10:04 AM
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Meh, I thought quite the opposite. Who cares about the price of shoes (especially a guy?), starting with a compliment immediately tends to get a 'guard' up where the girl goes in friendly-but-distant mode, and also, generally, again, talking about money is a bit lame in any case I think, let alone so early in the conversation. He got exactly what is to be expected if you do that: a friendly smile and the girl walking away. EDIT: that said, his 2 pieces of advice are pretty great indeed!
/r/seduction19/07/12 08:25 AM
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Both don't have to be mutually exclusive. I like to build a nice connection while also making sure there's at all time a level of 'flirty'. It's a delicate balance, but doing only flirty or 'DHV' (fuck that, that's really not my style) stuff is deeply unsatisfying I think. But I tend to talk to girls, even attractive girls that I just met, about all the same things, hopes dreams goals thoughts background anecdotes history etc etc, than I would talk to with my friends, but just make sure that the…
/r/seduction18/07/12 03:14 PM
1

I think for me it's like this: I used to have the 'gloomy' periods for all my life, but getting better with girls they are mixed with a LOT more awesome events/stories now :-) (I've always been blessed with awesome friends though, so apart from some clinical depressions, I've always had somebody to call and hang out with and have fun, which I consider a great luxury not to be taken for granted at all) So, netto: yes, happier than before, but more fun with girls is only a small part of that I lik…
/r/seduction18/07/12 01:52 PM
1

David Foster Wallace :-(
/r/MensRights15/07/12 02:30 PM
0

people being terrible impartial observers of themselves. To be fair, we as guys typically have no illusions about what we are attracted to :)
/r/seduction06/07/12 06:34 PM
2

Actually, most of what I've heard from girls is pretty much the same we all agree on that 'works', i.e. display confidence, don't be clingy/needy, take initiative, don't be all serious from the get-go etc...
/r/seduction06/07/12 06:33 PM
0

just randomly poking her or something This image made me smile :)
/r/seduction06/07/12 06:31 PM
2

Meh, I can work it just fine, not gonna change phone just because it makes it easier for others to enter their number. (and my revolutionary technique with girls of saying 'hey let's exchange numbers' has been working fine so far)
/r/seduction05/07/12 08:24 PM
2

Amen! Also, my phone keyboard totally sucks, they would never manage to get it in there without having to try 5 times.
/r/seduction05/07/12 03:19 PM
2

Changing venues halfway trough is great in all kind of subtle ways. Say "let's go to ... it's more ... there" and then do it. Kino, like, light touching on the shoulder Don't be afraid to make fun of her! Do it while cracking a smile and looking in her eyes though, and it will be conceived as fun and flirty rather than mean. You'll be shocked at this at first, but be bold. Don't be afraid to talk about your own passions, even if they are 'boring'. Be very interested in what she has to say too, t…
/r/seduction04/07/12 02:14 PM
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AMEN
/r/seduction04/07/12 02:11 PM
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My 2 cents, royally late in the thread but whatever: I generally don't like to hook up with women with a boyfriend, because even if in the moment they totally want it, I know they will very likely regret it afterwards. Not to mention that I do try not to hurt people, and that includes her boyfriend, yes, even though I don't know them. I try to be nice to strangers, and to me that includes trying to resist making out with their g/f. Plenty of wonderful single girls to go around anyway. Go for tho…
/r/seduction04/07/12 02:10 PM
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Seems like you failed to frame it even in the slightest way as "let's do something fun later together", which may have been the push she needed. Still, looks definitely like you're on the track, and I like the trick with the way of looking, will try that one :-)
/r/seduction03/07/12 01:26 PM
1

Awesome, I feel we could use some more posts here about this aspect (even though, honestly /r/sex is a reallllly cool place to learn and share also, check it out guys!). couldn't agree more on your post. Don't hold back and take control, it's what you both want (in most of the cases at least).
/r/seduction03/07/12 09:39 AM
6

God I'm so sick of that 'alpha male' term, can we all agree to let it die already?
/r/seduction03/07/12 09:32 AM
2

"holy great penis, where did you get that" I LOVE THIS GUY.
/r/seduction01/07/12 12:54 PM
1

That being said, I still can't visually imagine a women masturbating. The concept seems so weird. It helps if you have seen one do it, preferably while sitting on top of you with you inside of her. (ok I miss my girlfriend now :-( )
/r/seduction25/06/12 10:48 PM
1

True, I've struggled with this too. I'll happily try to wing for a friend, but if I am the one that opens, and generally the more talkative one, it's really hard for them to make a good impression in comparison.
/r/seduction25/06/12 10:45 AM
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But probably the most important duty of a wing is to split up a set so you can isolate Amen! Interesting other effect: I was winging the other day for a friend, and he got the girl to have a drink with him at the bar. I started chatting with some girls outside to leave them alone, and they invited me to their place for an after-party / drink. When I went inside to tell my friend I went to that party, subtly offering him the keys to my flat, he said 'cool, a party, I wanna go!' So turns out rathe…
/r/seduction25/06/12 10:44 AM
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Yes, definitely. If she is shy, you can open groups containing a guy that she is interested in. For girls opening a group is a lot more awkward anyway I think, so you can be a major help here.
/r/seduction25/06/12 10:38 AM
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miss quite a few social norms/manners Aaaah, this one can definitely be an asset, depending on which specific norms/matters of course. I have something similar going on, and girls seem to love my 'fuck all' attitude and how 'inappropriatly' direct I typically am. Fuck social norms, let's go out and play!
/r/seduction25/06/12 10:13 AM
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Also, if she does get the 'what question are we at' thing right (i.e., wrong). Say 'oooh shit! You already played this game before didn't you???' and if she says 'no really it's my first time!' you win anyway :-) I played this game only once and the girl made it trough 5 questions (including these 2 last ones) without blinking, and cheerily said "ok, my turn!". I was completely thrown off guard, but my respect for her became only greater :)
/r/seduction18/06/12 08:19 AM
1

normal conversations that are auto-pilot for everyday people. They really aren't. They may seem like that from the surface, and to some people though.
/r/seduction15/06/12 08:44 PM
2

B-close? :) (born close)
/r/seduction15/06/12 03:41 PM
3

I meant actually getting married, not doing a married woman :)
/r/seduction14/06/12 11:28 PM
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For some people, looking a pretty stranger of the desired sex in the eye, and getting a beautiful smile back, is a rare occasion - so much so that it feels like a truly uplifting accomplishment that's worth sharing. And, while most of the discourse here is about loftier goals and this post is definitely is a bit 'silly' in comparison, is perfectly fine. We applaud every story about a person taking a step towards more self-esteem and success with (typically) girls. Today a smile, tomorrow a phone…
/r/seduction14/06/12 07:30 PM
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It originates from sales terminology (though of course that has a bit of a sleazy reputation - then again, so does this subreddit :)). The meaning is, reaching a desired goal, or, also, the 'best' you got out of the interaction. EDIT: tiny shitty smartphone's a bitch to reddit on.
/r/seduction14/06/12 06:26 PM
1

Thanks! If this hadn't occured with my 'safe for the rest of the world' account I could have linked to it :-)
/r/seduction14/06/12 04:20 PM
3

Perhaps we should give it a name then. I would love to name it choc_is_back's hierarchy of closes but sadly with my stupid nickname that doesn't sound too catchy. As an alternative we could just call it the STL#KFRFGFM sequence, especially for saying it out loud there's nothing at all wrong with this name.
/r/seduction14/06/12 03:02 PM
1

5:45pm Me:hey haley, its your favorite partner in crime 5:45pm Her: Hello 5:46pm Me: Whatcha been up to? Weirdest text conversation ever. Do you guys in the US text exactly like you chat or something? (not meant to be rude)
/r/seduction14/06/12 02:55 PM
7

FM-close (famous memoirs close, where after that divorce you realize that the marriage you had together - while not meant to be - did make for so enriching a life experience that it warrants recording for posteriority. These memoirs then go on to become world-famous and make you a millionaire)
/r/seduction14/06/12 02:53 PM
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Cool! One of the greatest things to happen to me on reddit was in fact, somebody in a thread about 'daily habits' on askreddit or something that said he watched this cute girl in his class each day, thought she looked at him back interested but wasn't sure and he didn't know how to do anything with it. Everybody stepped in of course with 'just ask her out, nothing to lose!' advice, which is no doubt well-meant but also pretty damn useless. I told him to disregard all that 'ask her out' crap, and…
/r/seduction14/06/12 02:40 PM
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[animated gif]
/r/seduction14/06/12 02:16 PM
5

HA, I just semantic satiation-closed you ;-)
/r/seduction14/06/12 02:07 PM
12

What do you mean, seddit is all about positive energy! FUCK YEAH, HIGH FIVE SEDDIT ;-)
/r/seduction14/06/12 02:06 PM
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Amen! Is there a way we can make this idea spread more? I mean, implicitely we are already very much aware of this (especially with the 'talk to everybody' advice for example, which I consider still one of the strongest 'getting ready for real game' concepts), but I don't think anybody has ever made it explicit yet.
/r/seduction14/06/12 01:19 PM
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Nice :-) Next up, after the 2 S-closes, I propose you go for 1 T-close! As in talk-close. Actually I very much like this concept, of aiming to some steps BEFORE that #-close everybody seems to regard as the 'lowest' step. There are stages before that, and being able to do them can make you feel pretty damn great, and I propose we make them official. The extended hierarchy of closes S-close (smile close) T-close (talk close) L-close (laugh close) #-close (number close) K-close (kiss close) F-clos…
/r/seduction14/06/12 01:11 PM
2

[pseudo-intellectual comment about how you're totally wrong]
/r/seduction14/06/12 09:27 AM
4

Very true. My life, and my attitude towards many things, changed immensely since I finally got some cash in the bank. Money is freedom, and is a HUGE factor on how happy you are. You don't need to be rich, but you do need a certain minimum to enable you to really have some options.
/r/seduction14/06/12 09:26 AM
3

There's a famous Mark Twain quote (and a bunch of others have said the same), about how, in the end you have a far greater regret for the things you didn't do, than those you did do.
/r/seduction14/06/12 09:25 AM
1

Men who try to understand and simplify quantum mechanics are suited to doing the same with women, because they are similar in their vagaries and difficulty. Haha, interesting theory! Trying to come up with all kind of clever physics-seduction related puns here but failing miserably...
/r/seduction11/06/12 06:17 PM
2

Judging from the upvotes, I count 4 of us so far! Also, I kid you not, physics and being popular with girls go well together. I present you evidence one: Straight from my OKCupid inbox from last week [girl]: I just finished a book about a fat old physicist who gets ALL the girls. What is it with you guys? ;) (physicists, not fat old guys) [me] That has GOT to be every physicist's (and especially my) hero Feynman! Or, wait, Von Neumann wasn't too bad with the ladies either, perhaps him? What can …
/r/seduction11/06/12 05:29 PM
5

You should have suggested something concrete to talk/ask about with that one person, that would have made your post a bit more effective. Even though I'm super late in this thread and nobody will see this, let's start with something simple. Go out, find a girl (or any person, really), and say EXACTLY this: Hey, excuse me! You have to help me out here: I got 2 movie tickets for free and a girl to go with me, but I can't quite decide what movie we should go watch. Got any idea if there's anything …
/r/seduction11/06/12 01:12 PM
2

Clearly the only sensible thing to do is to take a picture of your empty streets and post it back to reddit! At least you went outside for that, which deserves applause.
/r/seduction11/06/12 01:08 PM
5

Aaaah, the good old path integral approach to seduction, popular mainly among theoretical physicist PUAs.
/r/seduction11/06/12 01:07 PM
1

Wow, thanks for the well thought-out and engaging comment! You clearly thought this trough, and are very aware of what is being talked about in both communities. Since it's a deleted thread Eh? Was something 'shadow deleted' based on my IP or something? Even logged-out nothing seems gone to me? Alpha males have the luxury of caring more about a woman's character and whole personality; but beta males without this luxury often need to pursue women only for their looks. I'd go even further and say …
/r/seduction10/06/12 09:42 PM
1

I was afraid of this too, but what turned out to happen was that my comment was largely ignored (no votes in either direction), except for one short exchange which was pretty well-balanced and civilised - in part perhaps because I cut it off before it could go beyond bickering about opposing beliefs. So, no shit was stirred in the end, and if you consider it, my comment was not as 'dangerous' or 'damaging' as you fear. Also because, if you read it (please do, I'm curious what you think beyond "d…
/r/seduction10/06/12 09:02 PM
14

I just said, "Put it back... I'll get it myself later." Brilliant!
/r/seduction10/06/12 06:12 PM
1

Ignoring them is a bit too crude, I agree. Meant it more like, I would not make the first thing I say something like "hey ladies..." but rather a remark/joke/... to the one sitting next to you, and making it a natural conversation with her rather than trying address the entire group. I guess it's a matter of taste, I always feel a bit unconfortable 'adressing' a group like that, and like personal conversation more.
/r/seduction10/06/12 06:02 PM
2

Wait, I'm a bit confused about what you are saying - how is it limiting to ask directly for a number rather than suggesting something like "how can I get in touch with you?"
/r/seduction10/06/12 05:56 PM
5

Comment on the situation. "Finally, I find some single girls here. Have you noticed it's like couple's night at the casino? What's a single guy to do?" This will spur them to tell you who's attached in the group and who's single. That way you immediately get a feel for the social dynamic. Takes balls, but I like honest 'meta openers' like this, where you talk about issues of men/women and who's single and how to best approach women/men etc etc as openers. Nice :-)
/r/seduction10/06/12 11:10 AM
0

Talk to just one (not the most attractive one) of them and watch the others join in, starting to compete for your attention.
/r/seduction10/06/12 11:09 AM
0

Also while we're at it, I'm curious if there are other folks here that take a liking to (aspects of) both those - traditionally very conflicting, - worlds. I thought of writing a post once detailing how I view feminism and seduction/PUA stuff not at all conflicting (well at least in some aspects, some are really diametrically opposed), but I wonder if anything constructive would come from that.
/r/seduction10/06/12 11:08 AM
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Well, first of all, you never specifically ask for the no. You say something like, "It was great talking to you, let's do this again. How can I get in touch with you?". Meh, I used to follow that line of thought, but now I'm more like fuck it, why beat around the bush. If you've established in the conversation that you like each other (BUT NOT SOONER), just saying in a matter-of-fact-way 'hey, let's exchange numbers so that we can meet up again somewhere later' works just as well. Gotta be confi…
/r/seduction10/06/12 11:03 AM
11

First off, have a look at r/sex, it's a gold mine of awesome sex advice for both genders. Speaking for me personally, it's a great turn on if you make lots of noise that shows you are enjoying it, and if you are not afraid to start touching yourself to maximise your pleasure. But, after all, you are in a luxury situation here: you are submissive, he is dominant. So if you just submit to his dominant actions it seems like you're good to go!
/r/seduction06/06/12 01:22 PM
3

You're very welcome, thanks for sharing that story. Sidebar material if you ask me! (perhaps together with an explanation like mine detailing the less-obvious reasons that that story was not just 'being funny')
/r/seduction05/06/12 03:05 PM
1

Great post! Spot on, and a pattern I've also noticed but never managed to word so eloquently. This is the main reason that the start of a new relationship is the most awesome part of it (and of life in general imho): both of your interests in the other are equal, and sky high to boot, no questions asked.
/r/seduction05/06/12 02:07 PM
2

He indeed teased her, but in the process also figured out whether she had a boyfriend, created a common bond with the promise of 'keeping a look out', established that he was not in any way trying to kiss her ass or even be gentle by phrasing it 'stuff your face', and transitioned smoothly (and again, funnily) to the idea of meeting some next time at a restaurant. So yeah, it was all done teasing, but every single tease happened to serve another purpose as well (though I'm sure not even OP was a…
/r/seduction05/06/12 08:02 AM
2

Practice small talk in general.
/r/seduction05/06/12 12:03 AM
2

Maintain that high! Approach more girls, before you text some and they don't reply right away and shake that precious, precious confidence drive you are in!
/r/seduction05/06/12 12:03 AM
3

That was not just anything though, that was being a master conversationalist, sending all the right signals and setting the perfect mood in very few phrases.
/r/seduction05/06/12 12:02 AM
2

Same here!
/r/seduction04/06/12 11:44 AM
1

Awesome post, especially the 'arrive on time' is fascinating, I am more of the fashionably late type :-) But it makes some sense, I'll be sure to give it a shot.
/r/seduction04/06/12 11:44 AM
0

I'll give you that, allowing yourself to become chubby is asking for trouble.
/r/seduction01/06/12 07:07 AM
1

While you are playing video games, I am lifting. While you're picking out your outfit, I'm doing crunches so I can take my clothes off. While you're at your job, I'm at my career. While you're hanging in your parents basement, I'm paying off my mortgage. Yeah yeah, sure. While you are 'self-improving', suffering and sweating at the gym trying to live up to some society-imposed ideal, climbing that corporate ladder you apparently love so much and making sure you don't forget your daily workout, I…
/r/seduction31/05/12 12:05 AM
1

You are awesome, thanks for this, I've been reading your posts for like a year now and they never fail to be awesome, genuine and inspiring.
/r/seduction29/05/12 09:59 AM
8

Can we please agree to stop using the 'nice guy' thing already. Ok, the rest of the world may not realize it yet, but we know better: how 'nice' you are as a guy doesn't matter, it's how confident and interesting you are.
/r/seduction28/05/12 09:42 AM
3

Ok, I get where the misunderstanding is coming from - you get her number and her name, and are still putting that in your phone while she already left, and during that process you meet a new girl. I tend to store her number and give her a call to check validity and get her my number as well while she's standing there, so in my scenario you'd be opening a new girl while the old one is still there. Anyway, closing and opening at that rate: good times! :-)
/r/seduction27/05/12 09:24 PM
15

and just as I'm typing in her name, another hot girl has walked passed, and I open her as well lol, surely girl #1's opinion of you drops quite a bit when you do that?
/r/seduction27/05/12 07:49 PM
4

I don't necessarily have to fuck them, but I like talking to them :-) (though it's a nice bonus of course, not gonna be a hypocrit)
/r/seduction27/05/12 07:43 PM
1

It's severely out of date As Neil Strauss himself points out in the book, 'meanwhile the community's theory were evolving, yet the girls were not.' I don't think things like that can be out of 'date', it's not like everything in that book is common knowledge to all girls. The community just has its trends and priorities that evolve over time. But I promise you you will be able to get a nice conversation going about the ex-girlfriend story in 50 years, as well as you could 50 years ago.
/r/seduction27/05/12 03:48 PM
1

That was wonderful and text-book 'following the steps' game, and it's great to realize how easy meeting girls actually is. But I think a next good step would be to try and talk about actual things you are curious and passionate about, rather than reciting routines others have figured out before you. Others' mileage may vary though, I have a PUA friend who's been using the typical 'classic' routines for years (with his own stuff mixed in of course) and doesn't feel bad about that at all. But for …
/r/seduction27/05/12 03:46 PM
4

And that ladies and gentlemen, is why the 3-second rule, though rarely mentioned anymore, is still a very good thing to go by. He should have just said 'hey, cool shirt! I am totally addicted to reddit' before he could even start to think about possible outcomes.
/r/seduction26/05/12 12:56 PM
4

Amen from a fellow nice-guy-not-push-over. Nice or mean, confident guys finish first.
/r/seduction25/05/12 02:14 PM
1

Late to the party but: even if she does turn out to have a boyfriend, it can be worth it to get along as well as possible, stay in touch, etc... I typically try to get her number anyway, you never know, especially if she's truly a cool person and you guys get along. And if that's not the case, well, then you shouldn't even be caring about hitting on her all that much of course. Making new friends is always great (and can lead to other opportunities, invites to cool events, etc) and what's more: …
/r/seduction25/05/12 12:48 PM
2

TELL THE BF DESTROYER ALREADY. Just kidding :-) Or wait, no, I'm not.
/r/seduction25/05/12 12:10 PM
22

As a seducer I think this is tricky, but as a party-loving borderline alcoholic I wholeheartedly approve. Genius!
/r/seduction25/05/12 08:23 AM
4

Got me confused there for a moment, that the two HB7's somehow turned into a HB1 and HB2 halfway trough the story.
/r/seduction09/05/12 01:01 PM
1

By the way, up until this point in the conversation I'm using every ounce of my effort to not get a boner. Hell, that even applied to me as I was reading it. Must have been hard (no pun intended), and very relieving In any case, awesome story, you lucky (and, no denying it, smooth) motherfucker.
/r/seduction09/05/12 01:00 PM
3

What I find myself saying to myself in my head more and more these days is the following: whoa, that's one hot chick! I wonder if she's also cool though. Helps quite a bit.
/r/seduction08/05/12 12:18 PM
2

Contrary to your username, the fact that you're obviously smooth as fuck is quite helpful too. I'm sure that took massive balls or, as seemed the case, feeling on top of the world already, to pull off. Nice nice nice.
/r/seduction08/05/12 12:10 PM
8

Much as I know all this, and much as I know that they do it for a test and because so many guys approach and are losers and whatnot... I still instantly lose instant respect for a girl pulling this kinda shit on me. Sure I can have an additude of "it's just a test, but the fact remains that it's bitchy and annoying and there's more than enough plain friendly people out there to go around". This especially goes for the girlfriend interfering by the way, sod off really. The story of the girl bitch…
/r/seduction07/05/12 09:41 PM
5

If a guy is in a bar and everyone is laughing and loving life around this guy, e.g. if he is the life of the party - confident, fun, outgoing, hilarious... YOU are going to want to know who that guy is FYI, if you leave out the costume part this sentence remains equally true.
/r/seduction30/04/12 09:17 AM
1

haha, ok, fair enough, with the 'or eyes'... And actually I'm not sure if "just before our eyes" is even an experession at all, come to think of it. Not a native speaker here - is it?
/r/seduction27/04/12 07:59 AM
1

Nothing too terrible, don't worry, just a compliment on everything he wrote being so awesome and making me really like the guy :-)
/r/seduction26/04/12 08:55 PM
13

powerful voice Many people forget that this is also something 'physical' in attraction that you can't really choose on, like body length. You can train on talking slowly and less nervously, but a deep bass voice you either have or you don't...
/r/seduction26/04/12 03:35 PM
1

Apart from the fact that refering to that stuff as "being alpha" still makes me vomit a bit in the mouth (which doesn't mean I love you all guys), the last one hit close to home. Once you start getting what you want out of life, and in your bed, seducing ladies is not that much of a pressing issue anymore. You just are who you are - new and improved as that may be - and girls can take it or leave it, few shits given. Of course this has 2 addendums: * this additude tends to get you girls anyway *…
/r/seduction26/04/12 07:06 AM
1

Oh my, this is EXACTLY what I do - hooray for situational openers! (I do those all the time to young and old, pretty and ugly, male and female alike btw, so it really comes quite naturally, and it gets you so much more than just chicks out of life. Job opportunities and small favors come to mind.) I use opinion openers too sometimes, but ONLY if they are actually true i.e. it's something I was actually wondering/curious about. Contrary to The Game's motto, mine is: it's flirting, not lying
/r/seduction24/04/12 09:14 AM
1

For me, the key is indirect + rapid escalation. Start with a comment about her dress, try to get the subject on sex, adventures and other good stuff within minutes.
/r/seduction24/04/12 09:11 AM
2

Not using protection is like shoving your dick in a blender and throwing rocks at the buttons. You're gaming us all as just before or eyes aren't you.
/r/seduction23/04/12 02:35 PM
5

she just tells me to fuck off and go die. This amazing start had me yearning for more so I chat up a few other people This had me chuckle, and it only got better after that. Damn you guys are on fire these days, like that other FR with the guy converting a lesbian and getting a BJ from the blue-haired girl, and now this. Sometimes I regret we only are together on a message board instead of going out for beers together. serious_fun, you're my kinda guy, and I bow in respect to your attitude. If o…
/r/seduction23/04/12 02:35 PM
1

I think his point was "he had good looks, yet still he has so litle success in general that he considers hitting it with somebody very unattractive a 'success'"
/r/seduction22/04/12 10:08 PM
2

Naaaah, the difference between 'good looking and has game' and 'bad looking and has game' is waaay smaller than between 'has game' and 'has no game'. So the playing field would perhaps level a bit more, but we'd still be on there.
/r/seduction22/04/12 10:07 PM
2

Nice! Wanna know how confidence really feels? It's when you have that exact moment, and love it for what it was without wondering afterwards whether you could have gotten 'more' out of it. So don't listen to the ask-her-out advice here, just enjoy things like this, make a habit of the eye contact and things like this, and start growing a mentality where you love great moments but don't crave them.
/r/seduction13/04/12 06:45 PM
1

Pool billiard, minigolf and picknicks
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:41 PM
9

My general habit is to rephrase any question that may form in my head with "let's...!"
/r/seduction13/04/12 01:33 PM
5

Texted There you have what went wrong.
/r/seduction13/04/12 12:38 PM
11

TIL there is such a thing as a 'trampoline park'.
/r/seduction13/04/12 12:35 PM
0

Well, first things first: do you have many friends? Apart from girls, the first thing to make sure you have is a wonderful circle of cool people that are always down for a drink or an activity I think. Then you can start worrying about girls.
/r/seduction12/04/12 10:21 AM
1

Just a silly question: do you party hard and often? If not, don't forget to do that. Don't be too skimpy about money either, and buy people rounds. Being able to have drunk fun with cool people is a great way to, well, be more fun yourself :-) (disclaimer: when it comes to seduction I am very much the 'Hank Moody' type in many ways, so maybe this doesn't apply to everybody)
/r/seduction12/04/12 10:19 AM
2

I believe so hard in the "Let them come to you" mentality Yeah that's kind of a risky mentality imho. Just... be more captivating by doing more captivating things. Grow a sense of humor (I'm not sure how one would go about that, but am still convinced humor is the fastest and easiest way to make people wanna be with you), start taking part in adventurous group-oriented activities, learn to play a musical instrument (there are so many benefits to that) or to cook wonderful stuff. Also, I've found…
/r/seduction12/04/12 10:15 AM
1

Sure. the 'ideal' waist-to-hip ratio for girls is 0.7 in one study, they told students of opposite genders to just look each other in the eyes for 2 minutes straight. They universally reported being really attracted to each other, and quite a few participants ended up married. body odor is a really big factor in attraction for girls, and if she doesn't like yours, over time this can really become a turnoff in a relation. the origin so many girls fiddle with their hair when they are being flirty …
/r/seduction12/04/12 09:46 AM
1

As a bonus, it's also full of really interesting tidbits about attraction.
/r/seduction11/04/12 11:13 AM
2

True. Also, if you live in an appartment not on the first floor: stairs and elevators! Or even the street while walking to yoru place.
/r/seduction11/04/12 11:05 AM
5

I agree in part, but calling has a big drawback too: if she didn't pick up because she's busy, you're the guy she missed a call from, and that subtly lowers your value a bit in my head, dunno why. Especially if you call her back a second time and the same happens. Those '2 missed calls from..' make you look pushy. A text gives her at least the time to get back to you at her time.
/r/seduction10/04/12 12:17 PM
1

Meh, while I agree mostly, sometimes I'll be in a hurry or hung over or just un-creative and can't be arsed to come up with something concrete on the spot. So I'll just say, hey let's do something together one of these days and ask her number and figure out whether or not I wanna do something with it later. Hell, sometimes I ask her number but am simply to lazy to do something with it later, I hate commitments. Ok ok I'll be over at r/howtonotgiveafuck now
/r/seduction10/04/12 12:13 PM
3

Awesome. Big fan of the 'mid-way' kiss here as well, great way to set thing straight before the rest of the night.
/r/seduction10/04/12 12:09 PM
1

I am 90% sure the missing step for you is "not being afraid to push forward, even if it risks losing here". So, experiment with getting more touchy, more suggestive, more looking directly into her eyes while giving a compliment, then laughing it off again or something, asking for phone numbers faster... So, that's my advice: do some more stuff that makes you nervous that you might lose her.
/r/seduction09/04/12 06:07 PM
2

For me personally, it's this sort of radiating cuteness, and niceness, and warmth that I get from some girls, that makes me see them as potential girlfriends, and then connection, and sexiness finishes the deal. Very well-put, and exactly the same here.
/r/seduction09/04/12 05:05 PM
2

DAMN YOU for pointing me there, articles like that are my personal equivalent to tvtropes, and I got work to do.
/r/seduction08/04/12 05:58 PM
7

with lipstick to match!
/r/seduction08/04/12 04:53 PM
3

Actually this is just stuff linking attraction to sweater colors, but for the math-inclined I'm sure there's all kind of fun graphs to come up with, for example if you make the girl's attraction the dependent var, and perceived value, looks, popularity... the dependent ones, one could effectively plot the course of a pick-up as a line traced out on that function, with (if we plot just 3-dimensionally and make attraction the vertical axis) some horizontal planes indicating resp. the hook point, t…
/r/seduction08/04/12 04:52 PM
4

Actually, what would the x even be? Perhaps the best approach is to consider HotGuy as a multivariate function on the 3-plane, with x-y-z representing the levels or R,G,B resp. in the sweater's color RGB composition. This way, we can consider HotGuy(x) by convention to mean HotGuy_x(x,y,z), measuring HotGuy along the red x-axis with y,z being held at a constant value (e.g. zero). And by these simple definitions we would conclude from the original article that, indeed, HotGuy is an increasing fun…
/r/seduction08/04/12 04:47 PM
2

Oh, is it? Yeah come to think of it I've heard Leicester Square mentioned as the ultimate pick-up place in London - perhaps even in The Game?
/r/seduction08/04/12 04:42 PM
4

Yeah, he should have omitted the brackets. Also, if you don't know /r/math yet, come hang out there, it might be right up your alley :-)
/r/seduction08/04/12 03:36 PM
1

In Europe nobody is.
/r/seduction08/04/12 03:35 PM
1

I love wearing red, and I am now definitely gonna wear it some more! :-) Thanks for the compilation OP
/r/seduction08/04/12 03:35 PM
2

You are awesome. The "Oh, have you met David" is all David should need (and be infinitely grateful for) I think.
/r/seduction05/04/12 09:43 PM
3

It's a wonderful point in your life where you can finally say: I'd love to bang you from how you look, and I have the skills to make it happen, but because of your personality I just won't. Good stuff.
/r/seduction05/04/12 10:38 AM
0

There was a subtle game of chicken that nobody else was aware of, and I had just lost. Haha, this is soooo recognizable. I lost that game a couple of times before I realized you can break trough it by just interrupting the pause and saying something even more teasing or whatnot. Also, great that you didn't put up with that shit. Some people are just not fun and pride themselves on this "I don't care what people say about me, I just say what I want" thing, but in the end they are as insecure as t…
/r/seduction05/04/12 10:31 AM
3

/r/shitredditsays
/r/seduction04/04/12 01:47 AM
4

For me it all started with David Deangelo's mailing list.
/r/seduction04/04/12 01:46 AM
4

A-men from a fellow 'fact sponge'! I may not be that pretty but my superpower is that I am super interested in (and have probably read about) just about anything, and if her talents lie in some area I don't know anything about I'm genuinely interest in learning more from her and it shows.
/r/seduction03/04/12 05:02 PM
2

Just spend money anyway, but as little as possible :-) Like, taking that walk, but bringing a picknick and wine with you
/r/seduction02/04/12 10:18 PM
3

Holy batman, you are one persistent fellow. How many of those phone numbers did you actually do something with? And did you get many dates out of it, or did you not even care :-)
/r/seduction02/04/12 05:58 PM
1

Yeah yeah, but it's a bit like with money: by itself it doesn't make you happy, but it sure as hell does make things easier. Similarly, good looks/value doesn't get you girls, but it sure as hell makes game easier. For example, if there are friends of hers nearby and you first meet, I can bet that she'll like that it's a good looking guy her friends see her talking to, and not somebody looking like a loser/weirdo. Even though the latter can still win her over with game of course if he manages to…
/r/seduction02/04/12 08:53 AM
5

How many of you ever feel awkward when it comes to getting a girl's number Personally, never. It's just not a big deal after you had a nice conversation that was longer than, say, 10 minutes. I typically just say in a matter-of-fact way "Hey, would be cool if we could meet again later - let's do the whole number exchange thingie." Sometimes she'll happily give it, sometimes she'll give it while not too sure if she should really do it, but whatever that doesn't matter. By phrasing it like that yo…
/r/seduction02/04/12 08:45 AM
11

I've had the same happen, but I have one thought for you: don't hold back on going for it if you like her too much, man. Better to have loved and lost, just jump in, with all the risks committing to somebody awesome takes. Including having a full-on relationship where you stop gaming around. If it clicks on a great level with a girl, it's worth it. Going all the way only with girls you consider 'dispensable' may be comfortable, but it's not the way to live your life to the fullest. tl;dr: don't …
/r/seduction02/04/12 08:36 AM
1

Yeah, not a fan of 'canned' stuff either. I did use some 'opinion' openers at the very beginning of my realization that being good with girls is something you can learn, but these days my philosophy is a bit different: if there is no natural way to start the conversation with a thought or quip on my own, fair enough, then it wasn't meant to be, or it was that I was not in the mood for random banter or whatever. Random chatting and trying to establish a fun atmosphere in minutes takes energy and …
/r/seduction02/04/12 01:36 AM
1

But honestly, I don't really use canned lines Hmmm, come to think about it, me neither. So if I am good on the inner/confidence part, and don't consider 'canned' stuff as part of my game, where does that leave me... I guess I just come here to be inspired (and occasionally give out advice that's hopefully useful to somebody).
/r/seduction01/04/12 08:38 PM
2

Yeah you see, advice in that direction would actually quite useful. Like, I'm sure there's plenty of cognitive therapy kinda stuff that helps you over come those self-defeating things and nervousness around pretty girls. (I myself am quite fond of the 'talk to everybody' philosophy, but there have to be faster ways towards total confidence around people)
/r/seduction01/04/12 07:10 PM
1

Whoops, I replied to my other commenter what I meant to reply to you. It has a mini-FR in it even!
/r/seduction01/04/12 04:56 PM
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Ok, perhaps that's it then indeed, because I indeed consider my 'frame' or 'inner game' pretty solid, and the message that you need to have confidence and stop caring about outcome gets old fast because it's obvious. Case in point: between my original message from 3 hours ago and now is a train ride + instant date (grabbing couple of drinks near the station) with #-close with the cutie that sat across me, reading a book with headphones on. Hooray for not giving a fuck indeed :-)
/r/seduction01/04/12 04:52 PM
-1

I gotta be honest, and I know it's not gonna make me popular but: I am getting really tired this 'inner game' stuff featuring on seddit all the time these days. We are all awesome. I am awesome, you are awesome, stop giving a shit. I get it. Now can we please move on to more concrete stuff please?
/r/seduction01/04/12 01:33 PM
2

Just out of curiosity, what do you talk about next?
/r/seduction01/04/12 01:30 PM
1

Haha, yeah I've found that to be true also. As an example for the seduction equivalent of this, I've had girls saying "stop trying to kiss me, I'm just not that attracted to you" and then make love to me right there on her floor minutes after that :-) (good times)
/r/seduction01/04/12 01:25 PM
2

Care to share?
/r/seduction31/03/12 03:07 PM
1

Haha, yeah, I've realized that too. It's funny to notice how the same things that make the other sex like me also help to make potential customers like me. (doesn't hurt that most of our target audience are also women :)) So yeah, it will have a bit of an effect on my business if 'great sales people make great players' also works the other way around...
/r/seduction31/03/12 01:59 PM
5

they always assume it questions the same line of thinking that is running through their pretty little heads Holy shit that is brilliant. I love mindplays like this. I'm doing well on the seduction front but at this moment I can greatly use this because I need to get better at sales :-)
/r/seduction31/03/12 11:39 AM
5

Also: lean your head to the left (ROCK N ROLL) bonus points for abruptly stopping the make out, shouting 'hey let's go [some place]!', taking her hand and going there. Or get another drink or something. Love the head pulling go for neck thingie, will definitely try that some time!
/r/seduction30/03/12 01:54 PM
1

Just a quick guess, are you a student or something? 3 new goals every single friggin' DAY? That said, good luck!
/r/seduction30/03/12 12:11 AM
2

Also, this is the least important one of his list, because it's not about cool stuff happening to you which is what amounts to the best stories. I am up to date about NOTHING accept for tech but I still have plenty interesting stories about the people I interact with and the things I do. If there's anything note worthy somebody will tell me 'off line' eventually, and that conversation by itself, while potentially making you come off as stoopid (but who cares), is also often an interesting one fo…
/r/seduction28/03/12 11:18 AM
2

First I thought 'awesome!' when reading the OP, and now this My advice to the people who want to have something interesting to say is to start experiencing. ... supersedes it all in my book. +1 for experiencing cool shit as the best way to have cool stories.
/r/seduction28/03/12 11:16 AM
2

Sounds like you're stumbling over yourself. Or getting defensive or something. I don't know. Perhaps someone else can chime in with what I'm trying to say. In any case it sounds awfully insecure, so I'm with you.
/r/seduction27/03/12 02:01 PM
12

"Hell yeah it is! And not a casual one at that, dress to impress please." (while smiling, obviously) When in doubt, do the good ol' agree-and-escalate.
/r/seduction27/03/12 02:00 PM
100

For added value perhaps add "but how good are you at cooking breakfast?"
/r/seduction26/03/12 08:59 PM
2

Yeah I complied there once when somebody asked in reply to a FR and I got lots of flak for it. And in the end I agree, it's not a nice thing to do.
/r/seduction26/03/12 08:33 PM
1

Welcome my man, and thanks for the reply! You're saying nothing spectacularly new, but you're saying it in style ;) Looking forward to more of your posts in the future! Still no reply though, shame. I'll give her one more day :-)
/r/seduction26/03/12 08:31 PM
14

Wonderful read. Keep it up, and looking forward to the FR of your next encounter with Miss 10 :-)
/r/seduction18/03/12 11:19 AM
2

basically i'm asking did your age couple your wisdom to give you a good edge, or is confidence and self-assurance the universal key? Being able to grow a beard (though I'd recommend against everything more than 5 o'clock shadow) and generally look more 'manly' definitely helps also.
/r/seduction16/03/12 03:53 PM
3

Loads of fun obviously! (personally I often think this is the best part, particularly from that unspoken point where y'all know you are going to hook up - the hot sex is just the icing on the cake so to speak. Takes a bit of experience to view it like this I guess, but once you do the girls will pick up on it and it will make it all even easier. Snowball and all.)
/r/seduction16/03/12 03:50 PM
2

Damn, reading this, combined with the first good weather of the year, makes me wanna be single again so badly. But then I remember my wonderful young hot cool (yeah they can go together :)) and realize I got all I needed. Still, awesome read, as usual.
/r/seduction16/03/12 03:48 PM
3

As somebody who landed an awesome job once by passing by the office building of a company I happened to admire, deciding to walk in on a whim and say hi, I say: amen brother. Good luck and hope you get the internship!
/r/seduction14/03/12 01:34 PM
0

Actually, this applies surprisingly often when it comes to seduction, a number of great posts on that topic come from /b/. (can't be arsed to look up earlier links, but they are there)
/r/seduction08/03/12 05:12 PM
5

I can't believe none of the top level replies says that, so I'll do the honor: tell that girl you are actually still a virgin, have a good laugh about it together, and then have sex together. And then after that some more of course. Also, logistics, bring condoms of course, you know the drill. There's lots of practical advice over at sexxit but I'll just give you this one for free: let her be on top so she can 'control' and resist the urge to start pounding as soon as you're in her, both for the…
/r/seduction04/03/12 11:50 PM
5

Talk about a firstworldproblem!
/r/seduction04/03/12 11:48 PM
11

Oh, and since nobody seems to have said it yet in the short and explicit way: tell that girl you're a virgin, have a good laugh about it, and then have sex. Right after that, get drunk together and have some actually good sex. (not implying you need to be drunk for good sex, just that the first time is rarely that great because everybody's all tensed and whatnot)
/r/seduction04/03/12 11:46 PM
3

I know that's what I'll call it from now on!
/r/seduction04/03/12 11:45 PM
2

Everything you just wrote could be said about approaching strangers in real life, and from what I've gathered the consensus here seems to be that approaching is not exactly a bad thing... Hell, I tried to ask out my dentist the other day right after my check-up because she was fun and cute. It was a pretty bad crash&burn and indeed things like that are 'taking a huge chance' but whatever, I'm all for taking chances.
/r/seduction03/03/12 01:44 PM
1

Whatever, how is 'approaching' on FB worse then approaching in real life? I once got talking to a girl on FB just because she had the same name as the person I was searching for so she showed up in the search results, her profile pic tickled my curiosity, and the info on her profile (cool education, interests and job) inspired me to send her my compliments.
/r/seduction03/03/12 02:59 AM
3

Dude, I'm almost jealous you're only about to get started. Granted, you're a little late to the game but still: prepare to inject some awesome moments in your life! You have all it takes to be successful with women: good conversationalist, don't look repulsive and living an interesting life. The only missing gap is the one you just took: realize 'success with women' is something that you can work on. My advice for a first step would be this. From now on, be hyper-social, not just to pretty girls…
/r/seduction02/03/12 02:17 PM
3

He should have playfully made sure that she would 'owe' him something after her 'I'm so sorry' message (preferably texting back only hours later). Her: 'I'm so sorry anon plz don't hate me :(' Anon: 'Hey don't panic we all make poor decisions some times :) Looking forward to those 3 guilt beers you're gonna buy me to make up! cu around' If she then turns and invites him to come after all he (which I think she would) he should of course say that sorry, he can't come anymore because he made other …
/r/seduction01/03/12 09:49 AM
3

Making your intentions clear is nice, but making you something 'worth chasing' (in this case, because you stated so explicitly you are unattainable in a way) is always better.
/r/seduction26/02/12 10:46 PM
9

Giving advice on seddit while on the phone. That's dedication. Highly appreciated!
/r/seduction23/02/12 09:59 AM
4

+1 for compliance tests. It's easy, straightforward, and indeed a very powerful indicator. In a more subtle way, I think it also indirectly helps with her liking you, for the following psychological mind trick: girls AT ALL COST want to rationalize why they 'give in' to a guy, the good ole slut defense and all. This has a wonderful side effect: once you got a girl to do something, she will tell herself it must be because she truly liked you (because the only alternative would be that she is 'eas…
/r/seduction23/02/12 09:58 AM
1

Dunno about seduction-specific stuff, but /r/london has great reddit meetups! :-)
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:48 AM
2

Yup, I still consider that text one of the most useful things I've learned on seddit. Love using it and it works, if only for your own ego (making other plans and sending her that is a nice way to get 'closure' in your head, and stop worrying about her, when the girl doesn't respond to your attempts to make plans)
/r/seduction21/02/12 10:48 AM
1

try to create those romantic, spontaneous moments you see in romantic comedies Aaaaaah but that I am all for!
/r/seduction18/02/12 05:00 PM
2

All solid stuff, but we were talking about what to start with; to each his own I guess, I guess I'm just more of an 'indirect' than a 'direct' guy. (I love complimenting girls on something cool about their life or their attitude somewhere during the conversation though, if I appreciate something about a person I'll definitely say it. Maybe the difference between us is that the kind of properties I care about enough to compliment a girl about are not those that you can say at first glance) To eac…
/r/seduction18/02/12 03:42 PM
1

Don't do it constantly, but do it often and naturally during a conversation. (most guys do it never or at most a couple of seconds/times in an entire conversation)
/r/seduction18/02/12 03:37 PM
3

When I was an AFC, and still now, I am much more intrigued by somebody being witty and clearly saying their mind independently of what 'impression' that would make than somebody being just friendly and giving me compliments for the start. Actually let me correct that: I was intimidated by it as an AFC, and intrigued by it now, but both count towards the same: it's attractive. I am all for being warm, and in fact I laugh and smile all the time, so if anybody would feel attacked by my tease (becau…
/r/seduction18/02/12 03:11 PM
3

It's ALWAYS better to start w/ something positive ("I really like that hat" vs "Why are you wearing shorts when it's so cold?") Disagree with that one. I think if you start something like the second statement (but in a playful way of course) you have established right away that you don't just give compliments to anything and anybody without knowing them, and she will be much more sincerely surprised and flattered by a compliment given later.
/r/seduction18/02/12 01:51 PM
1

It is in every job title so basically means 'not a student anymore'.
/r/seduction18/02/12 12:15 PM
5

Wait, I don't understand, what do you mean? It's a truism?
/r/seduction17/02/12 05:13 PM
11

Sounds like a loser. Except if he's telling outrageous lies (think SNASA) to see if he can get away with it, then it's allowed of course :-) But saying he's a 'manager' to impress girls? Dude...
/r/seduction17/02/12 01:01 PM
44

I like her :-) Remember kids, girls aren't insecure about their looks, they are insecure about how cool they are.
/r/seduction17/02/12 10:02 AM
1

Can you give a link to the thread?
/r/seduction16/02/12 03:34 PM
1

Just goes to show that he really is a world-class guy and PUA and not just some writer who doesn't know what he's talking about.
/r/seduction16/02/12 02:58 PM
2

Thanks for writing that up! And: ouch, she's a tough one :-) She really wasn't playing along there, I'm surprised you even found the energy to keep it going for so long (I personally get bored with texting very quickly). I would lose the puppies theme for your follow-up though, she obviously wasn't liking that too much, and she's obviously more for short texts so you should try to keep it more short too. I'd say be ballsy and refer back to her right hand remark somehow - not sure how you'd find …
/r/seduction16/02/12 12:00 PM
2

I am particularly curious how this one worked out, care to share?
/r/seduction15/02/12 10:00 AM
4

Whoa whoa... Tony D from AbsoluteAbility? Awesome that you're on here too. I LOVE your writing, thanks for all the wonderfully entertaining and insightful blog posts.
/r/seduction15/02/12 09:50 AM
2

... and her phone number.
/r/seduction09/02/12 01:29 PM
8

OP (who the move was actually made on) totally got it though. Yeah, I was warning the rest of reddit who will read your comic. It worked for that guy, but I doubt you would have had a positive reaction if the guy wasn't cute. The vast majority of women would be freaked out by a guy they're not attracted to getting their number in this way. To which the OP replied: The vast majority of women appreciate confidence and originality more than you think, my dear.
/r/seduction09/02/12 12:52 PM
9

One woman who stopped on her way out told me, "Hun, I been watching you pace this club all night long, just ask any girl to dance and she is gonna say yes. It is what they came here for." Should have gotten this one's phone number, she sounds cool :-) Anyway, congrats on taking these steps, keep it up and more good stuff shall come your way!
/r/seduction06/02/12 03:17 PM
4

Yup, I appreciate that, but if I would have been part of that table I wouldn't have liked the guy, all I am saying. Now, I am fully aware that what makes a guy likable to girls is vastly different from what makes him likable to guys, and I respect that this makes it a bit of a fine line to walk. All I'm saying is, whether or not he acts like he does in this movie because he is always more or less like that, or because it works when approaching a group of girls: a friend of me he wouldn't become …
/r/seduction05/02/12 07:21 PM
7

Effective as that might be, he sounds a bit like a douche. I like the matter-of-factness of his "Ok, this is what we are gonna do, I am going to get your phone number" though!
/r/seduction05/02/12 06:11 PM
2

I see - thanks for the reply, and of course for making the glossary! It's amazing to realize how 'natural' all of these terms feel to me by now, guess I spend too much time reading this stuff instead of doing it hehe...
/r/seduction05/02/12 05:18 PM
2

Did you just copy this out of the back of The Game?
/r/seduction05/02/12 04:50 PM
2

Well, only try it if you genuinely find the girl interesting of course.
/r/seduction03/02/12 11:25 AM
30

I love how think with your penis. is actually given here as a piece of advice, rather than don't think with your penis.
/r/seduction02/02/12 10:59 AM
1

That was a great read. Love nights like those - hooray for randomly meeting new people!
/r/seduction31/01/12 11:31 PM
1

Can't argue with that!
/r/seduction30/01/12 03:57 PM
4

Tell us more! Did you meet him randomly on the street, or at a party? As somebody else asked, did you talk about game (either the book or doing it) at all, and if so is he still doing something related to it in any way? Did he have a hot girlfriend? :-)
/r/seduction30/01/12 03:13 PM
0

Interesting point! I'm all for making her more comfortable. But that's not exactly what I imagine the 'freeze-out' to be though.
/r/seduction30/01/12 03:09 PM
-1

That's fair, but I value logic and reasoning so highly that I'm not really prepared to 'give up' on that world view, even temporarily, only to get my way with a girl. If she's not all for making out (and more) just for the great time I give her alone (which they more often than not to do) I don't want to play emotional/psychological games to get it anyway, however well they work. Enough girls do have the passion+logic to not have LMR so that I don't mind cutting my loss and just have it happen o…
/r/seduction30/01/12 02:07 PM
1

No it isn't - sealing the deal is still super important and a point where many people fail, even if for somebody experienced it is very 'duh'.
/r/seduction30/01/12 10:40 AM
1

Here's the asshole way to do it: make sure you have a great new girl waiting for you before you break up with her. (no cheating of course!)
/r/seduction30/01/12 10:38 AM
2

Great stuff! Allow me to add a controversial one: supply more alcohol ;-) This will very likely be downvoted, but there's a certain level of drunk that is good enough to make her loosen up and give up on those silly society-instilled inhibitions, without it becoming taking advantage; say 3 glasses of wine or so. That's what you're aiming for. I disagree on 7 though, it can be definitely worth it trying to convince a girl that her reasons are stupid. Because often they are, she really wants it bu…
/r/seduction30/01/12 10:27 AM
1

Actually he said the opposite :-) I personally think the truth is somewhere in the middle, you don't want to be all-out flirting with her all the time (that would be silly) but nothing is as deadly as just 'settling down' and considering your work done once you're in a relationship. And for that aspect there are some great things in your post OP! Gonna try the 'dress fancy and await me at 8' thingie :-)
/r/seduction29/01/12 04:43 PM
0

My first reaction was "Well, I definitely agree, let's do it again then sometime soon! I gotta go now though, gimme your number." And then get her number.
/r/seduction29/01/12 03:11 PM
42

Great story, thanks for sharing! I love how matter-of-fact you stated 'I'm young and single, thus I live on a boat' as if it's the only logical conclusion possible.
/r/seduction29/01/12 02:26 PM
3

Classic hollywood stuff. Boy wants girl but is to shy to go for it, boy works on his game until he's banging chicks all over the place like a motherfucker, boy gets girl years later.
/r/seduction14/01/12 11:24 AM
5

Finally getting it on with a girl that has been lingering in your mind for so long... That must be a truly magical experience! Great read. And of course, great line to say to her too to get the topic finally full frontal in between you!
/r/seduction14/01/12 02:24 AM
-6

This is like Evolution Theory, an idea so elegant and brilliant that it seems almost silly once you've thought of it. Brilliant! I will now take ASD type rejections way better.
/r/seduction14/01/12 02:22 AM
1

then I'll blow on her stomach/belly button that makes fart noises and we'll both laugh. I do that too all the time, and apparently many guys do. Have to admit I was a bit disappointed when I found out, but in any case it's a great way to keep things nicely absurd :-)
/r/seduction13/01/12 11:14 PM
7

Please stop referring to every single kiss or fuck as a 'k-close' or 'f-close'. It's called a close for a reason - it's not like I think of myself as 'k-closing' my girlfriend every day. But, over-use of acronyms and PUA lingo aside, sounds like you had a pretty brilliant night - good luck with the porn star!
/r/seduction13/01/12 11:09 PM
1

As somebody who knows the sidebar by heart I agree and won't make that bet thank you very much :-) I guess people who see this as new and or misogynistic are, well... New to the entire 'seduction can be learned and girls differ from men' thing. Thanks for modding this subreddit though, I may not always agree with the bluntness of your comments, but I love seddit and respect you guys big time for putting time in maintaining it!
/r/seduction13/01/12 11:05 AM
3

He phrased it poorly but what he essentially meant was: accept that women are vastly different from men, and a lot 'worse' when it comes to controlling your behavior when emotions are in play. Couldn't agree more.
/r/seduction12/01/12 05:17 PM
9

No one wants to be the first to go into double digits or be the first to hit 20 and then so on. From now on if a girl rejects me I'll just tell myself I would probably have been her 10th, no wonder she was resistant!
/r/seduction12/01/12 05:00 PM
0

Love this name!
/r/seduction12/01/12 04:44 PM
3

It's a lovely summary of lots of PUA wisdom though. Bookmarked to show to friends who haven't heard ever from 'game' and can't be bothered with the big fat bag of links that is seddit. Just one image with lots of wisdom, perfect.
/r/seduction12/01/12 04:44 PM
2

First make it a habit to talk to anybody that happens to be standing near you, not just girls also guys, old ladies, whatever. Just make observations as if they were a friend. If you have a funny thought about the environment or see a way to help them out with what they are doing, great, do it. After a while talking to strangers will be a more natural thing to do, including girls.
/r/seduction11/01/12 01:55 PM
3

One of the things I've learned over the years (and that is rarely addressed here) is this one: cut your losses. Sometimes you just can't come up with something witty on the spot, and it's a lost cause. Typically I'll think about the great comeback right after she left :-) Just get over it, other girls will come when you're in a better mood for cleverness. You're not a loser or even bad at gaming because you don't have a reply ready always, everywhere, all the time. Then again, you could argue to…
/r/seduction11/01/12 11:12 AM
4

The sooner you can get completly past shyness when talking to / meeting with complete strangers the richer your life will be. Talk to everybody as if they were a friend (and treat them as one) and you will make many actual friends in the process. Don't waste time on negative people, but go out of your way to be great to know for your real friends (and the strangers from the previous bit): buy rounds, offer help on the spot, introduce people to one another if you feel they can be useful to each o…
/r/seduction08/01/12 02:16 PM
4

Even though this thread is basically about the same thing we always talk about in seddit, it's my favorite in a long time! Sidebar-worthy I would say, because I read many answers for people wondering what all this 'pick up' stuff is about.
/r/seduction03/01/12 04:15 PM
2

People like conversation infinitely more than they like learning new things by itself. (that's also why so many times you feel the urge to link to 'lmgtfy')
/r/seduction30/12/11 01:37 PM
1

MAN this is so right, and it frustrates me that I can't seem to put up the same happy social vibe here than when travelling (speaking an other language also frees you up in a big way I find). That said, I'm sure you've never been to Spain :)
/r/seduction29/12/11 05:05 PM
1

Pretty sure that one of the bits he edited out was where he said the camera was for some kind of 'show' or 'documentary' he was personally making. She acted naturally at the start but in the cab she clearly was very aware of the camera and consciously trying to be sympathetic.
/r/seduction29/12/11 05:03 PM
1

The good news is, if you let it go and you end up never sleeping together, she will very likely feel bad about the wasted opportunity (and she should).
/r/seduction29/12/11 04:52 PM
2

Just say no to her always coming to your place, in a slightly pissed / humorous tone, and start calling her Miss. Blueballs. I had this happen to me too, and god I hate the hypocrisy of it so much. What has worked for me (both my mood and to get her to give in eventually) is to go chase other girls ASAP and just ignore her for a while. Just flat out don't reply to texts or at best say you're busy, give one-syllable answers on chat etc... She's had her fun with you but enough is enough. Either th…
/r/seduction29/12/11 04:51 PM
2

Ok that makes a lot of sense, thanks. I think we can conclude that the community uses ratings like that in a very different (and indeed more useful as you made me understand now) way than the general population.
/r/seduction27/12/11 05:34 PM
2

Wait, so you're... Fuckbuddy-zoned? Ouch! I read a nice article about getting out of that zone recently, I think it was on absoluteability.com - maybe you'll find something useful checking out his recent blog posts (I'm a bit lazy to go look it up, sorry)
/r/seduction15/12/11 08:24 PM
0

Feeling good about himself. Evert now and then somebody will come by here and rant about 'the guys who are in it for the wrong reasons and without respect and honesty' etc etc. But looking closer than just how you 'imagine' people thinking you will notice that it will take anybody about 2 seduced girls to realize that it's not just about the sex it's about connecting and having great moments together. Sex disregarding personality and emotional impact gets old real fast. So yeah, it's directed at…
/r/seduction15/12/11 03:22 PM
5

I admit, I have a fantastic smile, and I'm also on the cuter spectrum of handsome... Lol on first glance I thought you were still quoting what you say to girls when they ask where you stand, and I quite like it! I am gonna start using this :-)
/r/seduction15/12/11 03:09 PM
6

For some reason, with me, they really sense that without anybody having to say it out loud. Especially if you sleep with a girl quickly, she will be mature enough to realize that what we both want to get out of it is still an open question. Never had any girl complain actually. As long as you don't lie you should be good. Just don't bring it up and most of the time she won't either.
/r/seduction15/12/11 03:07 PM
1

I actually thought myself to stop caring about girls I don't talk to. Like pretty waitresses, and bartenders, sure they are great and you would love to talk to them but it's just not the hassle and the feeling bad for not having hit on her. Too many factors out of your control. Just smile and flirt, but don't expect anything more out of it except really powerful social proof. So my advice is this: stop caring about the staff (but talk and smile with them of course like you should with every girl…
/r/seduction14/12/11 11:16 AM
1

As un-cool as 'computer security auditor' sounds, so cool sounds 'I am a hacker, people pay me to break into computer.' I don't see what the problem is to be honest, you could be a character straight from a movie.
/r/seduction13/12/11 01:50 PM
3

I asked a girl if she was drunk enough to go home with me yet. I am so gonna use this. Great post all around! Language thing definitely hit close home, I almost accidentally learned quite a few languages by just trying to speak it right away without caring how sucky it sounded. Well I would suck at writing anything in them, but hey I can have a bar conversation in them :-)
/r/seduction26/11/11 05:05 PM
2

It's a pretty crazy amount of work to get a girl just to reply to you, let alone set up a date. If you don't let that get to you it's also loads of fun though. I've been on a couple of dates trough OkCupid (the coolest dating site of them all of course) and they turned out to be good-looking and fun girls. To pull off a decent close you need to be skilled in being interesting in a date with somebody you barely know though, which is not a piece of cake. The particular mindset of girls on dating s…
/r/seduction18/11/11 01:55 PM
1

Sounds good, keep doing that or you're a bit of a dick imho. On top of that be also flirty, take initiative (in general, not just in flirting/escalating), and kino them hard from the first moment you meet them.
/r/seduction14/11/11 02:25 PM
1

I would start by finding some existing content on reddit, rewording it in your own consistent way, and putting it up there. At the start, all content is good content, and a site with changing / increasing text on it gets more love from le google!
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:55 PM
1

You should also offer that friend of his a job.
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:53 PM
1

This is so over the top and messed up for many reasons I can't help but smile at it :-) But you are of course on to something, because help with dating (including online) is something many guys are definitely interested in. Having it completely taken over by some indian guy will not exactly feel appealing though. So I would tone it down, and sell 'personal help with your online dating'. Then train 5 (or 2, or 50, depending on demand) of those indian guys with all the seduction material out there…
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:53 PM
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~~~~STOP FOCUSSING ON GIRLS. Seriously, ignore that entire aspect of your life. When you catch yourself being frustrated about girls, tell yourself: stop it, I am not going to let this get to me. You sound pretty young (as in, less than 30) so there's plenty of time and you WON'T be forever alone. What you should focus on? Finding a new activity that you enjoy. I personally enjoy learning new things, and have gotten out of a depression simply by accepting that I'm gonna suck at many times of my …
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:46 PM
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Realize that it's okay to be depressed. I have been depressed, and tried to give advice to many depressed people in my environment, but damn I never came up with this one and it's the CRUCIAL first step to overcoming it. NEVER be ashamed that you are depressed, in therapy or on psychopharmaceutics. It's a disease like many others, a chemical imbalance, and it's NOT a sign of weakness.
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:43 PM
1

On a related note, get condoms.
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:39 PM
1

My option isn't in there: I am perfectly happy with the girl-related aspects of my life, even though I'm not 'proficient' at picking up most women I want so not quite [3] here but it's close. Because let's be honest, we see women we want walking down the street all the time - I can just pick up any cute single women I happen to have started some interaction with, however small. So I am mostly here for your last option, but as a guy. [10] I simply love to think, talk and advice about seduction wi…
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:36 PM
1

Can't believe nobody stated the obvious yet, and maybe I'll get downloaded for being blunt but: because we're so damn horny all the time. Even the most remote possibility of sex (even if it's only subconscious) raises the stakes enormously in our heads, and results in neediness. All the more so if you're not getting any - having great sex regularly is the biggest way to kill neediness.
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:32 PM
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My rules are this: be doing something else, walking to a store or smoking a cigarette or whatever. Something that makes it quick and casual in your head. have an invitation prepared and get to it ASAP within the conversation. Don't say 'we should hangout', say 'hey there's this cool concert tomorrow at XXXX, let's go there!' SMILE. Both before the call, while dialing the number, while waiting for her to pickup, and during the conversation. if she doesn't pick up, send her a text right away with …
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:27 PM
1

Aaaaah frustrating! I'd just go jack off in the toilet and call it a day :-) Next time bring a condom! Apart from that, solid game there, nice read!
/r/seduction14/11/11 12:21 PM
1

Quick fix (or at least improvement): look people straight in their eyes more. Not all the time, but more. Especially when saying something serious or asking a question.
/r/seduction12/11/11 12:20 AM
1

Actually, I believe that guys who never ever heard of seduction / pickup are a lot more likely to come off as creepy compared to somebody who tries to consciously work on it. You know what's creepy? Caring too much about a person you just met. That's exactly the mistake NON seduction peeps would make.
/r/seduction12/11/11 12:17 AM
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will do, thx for the tip!
/r/seduction10/11/11 07:59 PM
4

Oh cool! Is it a bit active?
/r/seduction10/11/11 07:45 PM
3

You know, seeing your reply posted '6 seconds ago' makes me regret sometimes we don't have a seddit chatbar on the right here somehow...
/r/seduction10/11/11 06:27 PM
3

I struggle with it, I'm still quite excited if I got something going with a girl because you know, it's a cool thing to happen and it's nice to share cool things that happen to you with your friends. Yay stories! But I'm starting to regret this because it comes off as bragging I think - though for compensation I make sure to mix in an equal amount of failure stories too :-) (e.g. tried asking my dentist out this week: didn't quite work) But yeah, I should work on that. It's not because I have a …
/r/seduction10/11/11 06:26 PM
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Takes a verrrrry particular (and rare) kind of girl for this to work though (especially so publicly!). That said, if this is real, it's awesome.
/r/seduction10/11/11 11:49 AM
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Actually, many you's from her part isn't too bad an IOI either... But now that you say it, I DO find myself saying 'we' statements often and early and indeed it's a lovely way to create a cozy little 'us against the world' atmosphere. Nice post, thanks for sharing!
/r/seduction09/11/11 02:42 PM
2

Clever, original, easy to execute, and bound to get you some lovely interaction troughout the rest of the conversation. Now that's how a pattern should be! Shame I never use patterns. (as long as I can get the girls by being interesting with stuff I come up with myself I'll stick to that)
/r/seduction09/11/11 12:27 PM
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VERRRRRY untrue. Whatever your situation is, the point is to own it. If that means accepting it and actively trying to improve it that's ok. But a broke 'loser' by society's standards can still be super attractive because he doesn't consider himself a loser.
/r/seduction08/11/11 08:11 AM
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By the way, I would frontpage this.
/r/seduction07/11/11 10:48 AM
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This was very nice to read - good on you! It also makes me a bit proud because I live every single 1 of these points; then again it's taken me years to build this attitude, so we can say you're 5 years ahead of me! :-) Just to also contribute something: I would add TRAVEL to the list. A cool trip is always worth the money (and it doesn't have to be a lot). I have countless memories, friends, pics, stories... from travels. Got 4 days free? (and you DO!) Grab a few friends and head off to a cool c…
/r/seduction07/11/11 10:45 AM
2

I just give random tips, and constantly stress the fact that you can work on being good with girls, it's not some magical ability. And, the obvious and easy way: tell them that The Game is awesome and they should read it. Let Neil do the explaining for you :-)
/r/seduction04/11/11 12:39 PM
3

The thing that matters the most (say 80%) is number of approaches. You need to be approaching a LOT (like you need several thousand) to get to the type of level most guys want. Also, approaching a lot is what is necessary for success (even for those at that advanced level) as it is largely a numbers game. Strongly disagree. I very rarely approach unless it feel really 'naturaly' and there's a nice situational opener, and am very happy with the number of girls I get. Just pointing out that 'diffe…
/r/seduction04/11/11 12:34 PM
2

Touching her. (in every way, including putting a hand on her shoulder, a handshake to introduce yourself, playfully hitting her on the arm, putting your arm around her...) Doing this as early and often as possible will increase your chances for a naturally starting makeout enormously.
/r/seduction04/11/11 12:31 PM
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A girl (or people in general) will respect you infinitely more if you dare to say "you're wining, stop it." Seriously, try it. It's scary as hell the first time, but you will be shocked by how differently she will watch you. Open mouth and 'wtf did you just say to me' is the look you want to aim for. Also, it's actually a nice way to stop a girl from whining :-) (you know, the 'oh I have so much trouble and blabla and why does xxx always do yyy to me and ...' even the most upbeat girl falls into…
/r/seduction04/11/11 12:22 PM
1

I don't think it matters that much how fast you send, as long as you don't get freaked out if her reply takes longer than yours. That said I'm lazy and hate texting, so will often postpone replying until I'm on the toilet or having a smoke or something.
/r/seduction03/11/11 03:24 PM
2

I can imagine! That said, there's no way that this: Brush her hair keeping eye contact. won't get a girl freaked out if it's the very first thing you do to her. Unless, as always, you're pretty damn hot of course.
/r/seduction03/11/11 02:02 PM
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I've found that, however much you entertained her on first meet (and of course, got her to commit right there to a day two), at least a bit of banter greatly increases your chances to her agreeing to meet though. Have her enjoy the interaction with you and then ask her out. Risky: You: "Hey, there's this great place xxx I've been meaning to check out - how about we go there together tomorrow. You in?" She: (too busy to answer right away, still a bit in doubt, and before you know it's the next da…
/r/seduction03/11/11 01:54 PM
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Who the hell are you? I like the tone of this :-) I often say 'so, what's your story?' to girls and I imagine it kinda has the same effect: they suddenly feel the pressure to qualify to you why they are interesting to talk to. Good times!
/r/seduction03/11/11 01:42 PM
1

Oh oh oh, just remember something (as I've been thinking of writing a similar app)! It's a tricky one, but a great feature would be to have some interactive games in there you can actually play with a girl! So if you want to have some fun, you just tell a girl 'hey I got this cool game on my phone, wanna play?', and then just load that section of your app. Can't think of a concrete game right now, but anything that's dirt-simple and shows both people questions and ways to tease is good. For exam…
/r/seduction01/11/11 01:42 PM
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I seem to be the only one with an Android here :-) Just downloaded it, and I like it, great work! Should be fun to be in a bar, see a girl, get some opener from the app for inspiration and use it right away! Personally, what I find the most fun to read on my phone while on the go is articles/blogposts by PUA coaches and things like that, like girlschase, sins of attraction, crime&federalism, absolute attraction, hell even some of the best posts on seddit, etc... Sadly, many of those blogs only g…
/r/seduction01/11/11 01:39 PM
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Tip: don't drag it on, especially in the first few approaches, stop the conversation and move on yourself, just smile, say 'ok I gotta run' or something and take off.
/r/seduction28/10/11 02:03 PM
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Here's my tip: write a post after you've approached those 10 girls, not before! ;)
/r/seduction28/10/11 02:02 PM
1

... Aaaand I think we have the winning answer, this makes the most sense of all of them so far. Thanks, bigger better longer harder it is from now on, no excuses ;-) (and indeed come to think of it I've had a couple of occasions where the girl talks about leaving, I ignore it, pull her back and we go at it some more and they never seem to object that)
/r/seduction27/10/11 03:05 PM
1

I like this guy's style. Seriously. And indeed, you don't pull that stuff off without experience, giving a very solid and confident first impression in those first seconds. All the rest is knowing how to adapt to the girl, which he obviously did very well by letting her do the talking. Lovely read!
/r/seduction27/10/11 01:17 PM
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Hehe, I was just kidding :-) Even having a condom in handy waaay to smoothly while making out already leads to those questions, let alone having all those items!
/r/seduction27/10/11 11:34 AM
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Check :-) Maybe I should get spare make-up remover, tampons and eyeliner too or something...
/r/seduction27/10/11 09:04 AM
1

I think if their seeing you as a player makes them leave you it's because you are 'gaming' too obviously, too soon. You can get them very comfortable you say, so keep them in that comfortable state for a couple of minutes longer before going all out on the escalating :-)
/r/seduction26/10/11 11:16 PM
1

Thanks for the extensive reply! I was talking mostly about situations where a date / encounter eventually ends with her going to bed with me though, so I've either just met her that same night, or it is the end of what is often called 'day 2' around here. Which makes the general tips you give that are based on planning it ahead quite entertaining actually! So announcing beforehand when we're only meeting for a drink in some pub that she should bring an overnight kit: not a typical thing to do, b…
/r/seduction26/10/11 11:08 PM
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Am I the only one who finds this advice a bit silly? Frankly, if anybody is saying no something's not going right :-)
/r/seduction26/10/11 01:40 PM
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Actually, replace 'I know you'd never date me' with 'I know I'd never date you' and suddenly that becomes quite a good thing to say.
/r/seduction26/10/11 12:58 PM
1

I've found the fuck part to be easy, but the challenge is to get to an emotional connection starting from there. Talk about firstworldproblems :-)
/r/seduction25/10/11 11:30 AM
1

Well I hope there's at least a day 2 coming!
/r/seduction25/10/11 11:28 AM
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Negging. What I do use all the time is teasing playfully; but simply pointing out something negative (I know it's more subtle than that but you get the idea) without adding a comic twist to it is not my style.
/r/seduction25/10/11 11:25 AM
1

I don't distinguish between work and casual when it comes to the shirt, except maybe when it comes to whether or not to close/open that top button :-) I am confused about the hot thing, I always wear them when it's hot, it's when it's cold that I get in trouble (because then you have to put something over them). In any case, when it's hot, you take it off and have just a shirt in which you should look your best anyway normally - if not your weight isn't optimal :-)
/r/seduction24/10/11 10:47 PM
1

My one simple rule is: wear a shirt always. No t-shirts. When the weather allows my style is something like this (including how he is shaved but still looks manly hehe), and I've gotten auite some compliments on it. As azteck says, can't go wrong with semi-formal, both in places where everybody dresses formally and everybody dresses casually.
/r/seduction24/10/11 03:04 PM
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Ok, fair point, so what you're saying is that the 'nice guys' are actually flawed in thinking about the guys that do get girls as 'assholes'. Makes sense now, thanks.
/r/seduction24/10/11 02:59 PM
1

Great read, shame you didn't get the number! I think you should have given her yours or something, not sure how, but you never know.
/r/seduction24/10/11 02:58 PM
2

Haha, love this experiment! You sound way more rock'n roll than most of the over-theoreticizing guys in here, way to go all out :-) I laughed with the 'I think I Kclosed 3 girls, now that's my style! I also recognize myself a lot in this: started finding more ammusment in my blowouts & stupid things that I could say than actually getting the close Being able to think like this is a sign you've reached the ultimate social don't give a fuckery that is so powerful when it comes to girls and life in…
/r/seduction24/10/11 02:54 PM
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I really don't get this obsession with 'nice guys'... Even when I was still very unsuccessful with women and frustrated as hell because of it, I never did or feel anything like this. Same with assholes, I think very few guys are actually assholes, and have never thought anything like 'damnit why do the good girls only date assholes?' Am I alone in this? Are people in the States more extreme than here in Europe, both when it comes to being a 'nice guy' and an 'asshole' perhaps? Just a theory.
/r/seduction24/10/11 02:50 PM
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I've said it a bazillian times here and elsewhere and I'll say it again until it becomes a common theme (or not, whatever). The one magic keyword for pickup is: WHATEVER Say it to yourself whenever you wonder about talking to somebody, when somebody is not responding your text, when you are re-reading a message over and over before finding the courage to send it, when wondering whether now is a good time to kiss her. The answer is not yes, no or maybe. WHATEVER
/r/seduction23/10/11 10:18 PM
2

True, but this should be the LAST FUCK YOU'VE EVER GIVEN.
/r/seduction19/10/11 10:51 AM
3

Tofu and Throwaway are gone Tofu is gone??? Why? :-( (is there a post by him explaining it or something?)
/r/seduction13/10/11 01:12 PM
1

I wanna hang out with you.
/r/seduction12/10/11 07:18 PM
2

"Man, if you are calling that short already... Are you sure you're not one of those crazy compliment-seekers and start calling yourself fat next thing?" Or something among the lines. Please type normally btw, wouldn't want this to become like one of those main subreddits where half the comments are some novelty account trying to live up to his name. It's not funny and not helpful, thanks.
/r/seduction11/10/11 10:51 PM
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Aren't we (almost) all at some point in our lives?
/r/seduction11/10/11 10:26 PM
1

Good stuff! Obviously, the next thing to try is instead of saying "I'm gonna go back to my friends" and going, saying "I'm gonna go back to my friends. But hey, wanna meet up some time?" And if she says 'sure' (which they often do) you take out your phone and say: "Cool! Let's do the whole phonenumber exchanging thing then" and get her number.
/r/seduction11/10/11 10:12 PM
1

I meant the right conversation skills :-) If that 'big dumb confident jock' of yours walks over to a cute girl with a sly grin and one short, well-chosen line or conversation (hell, even the apocalypse opener) delivered confidently he both out-confidenced and out-conversed the kind of talkative gutless debate-team-president you seem to be picturing. Duh. You are right, routines suck and are actually the opposite of conversation skills. So in short, leave 'your body is healthy' out of your entire…
/r/seduction11/10/11 04:11 PM
2

You're kidding, right? People who say 'seduction is mostly physical' are those that have built up the confidence and conversation skills that are a lot more essential to seduction, but they just don't realize that not everybody has those.
/r/seduction11/10/11 02:27 PM
1

It's all just training wheels to get you kickstarted in the following wonderful cycle: have a try at all that 'seduction' stuff > whoa! > more success with girls > more confidence > more success with girls > more confidence > more success with girls > more confidence > more success with girls > more confidence > ...
/r/seduction11/10/11 09:18 AM
1

in my defense, there were a few other golden lines in there as well. True that. Well done!
/r/seduction10/10/11 02:50 PM
1

Also good, but again, nothing beats just going for it when the time is right (i.e. when your faces are close to each other and you're both smiling and not saying anything).
/r/seduction10/10/11 06:33 AM
1

Welcome! It's been a couple of days by now, did you try it?
/r/seduction08/10/11 07:45 PM
1

I was expecting this to be finally one of those FRs in tofutofu style, but no :-( Good on you for kissing a pretty girl though!
/r/seduction08/10/11 07:59 AM
1

Strongly disagree with admitting that she is somewhat intimidating, whether said with a comedic vibe or not. I would just ask for her name, shake hands and say his as next convo starter.
/r/seduction07/10/11 11:27 AM
2

You didn't mess anything up, making small talk and then deciding to leave is a good thing. She now knows you and will not even be surprised if you talk to her again. I was gonna say 'annoyed' but that's a common misconception, girls are NEVER annoyed by friendly conversation with a stranger. So, stop feeling bad, that's some good groundwork you did there! Next time you pass her while on your way out give one of your comments like you always do, but DO NOT say "you're cute, let's hang out." Inste…
/r/seduction07/10/11 11:25 AM
2

I've read some PUA advice saying that asking 'do you want to kiss me?' is not a bad one. Never tried it though, I always just say "Let's kiss!" (if I say anything at all)
/r/seduction07/10/11 10:01 AM
1

Don't get some numbers, get some kisses!
/r/seduction07/10/11 09:59 AM
2

Or as I like to tl;dr it to people: the magic word you need to truly internalize is whatever. Seriously, whatever. Try saying it the next time something annoying happens to you, or when doubting whether or not to send that text or go and talk to the girl. 'Whatever!' and you're good to go.
/r/seduction06/10/11 06:34 PM
3

Yes. Also, keep going out with the model guys - looks is one thing, game is another and who knows maybe when it comes to that you're even better than them.
/r/seduction06/10/11 06:29 PM
1

Smile when you walk in the room or "change frames". It's a simple way to show that you are completely comfortable in that setting, and have ownership over the situation. Also do this in every bar and club, I truly believe people pick this up and it makes you look like 50% more attractive just on first look.
/r/seduction06/10/11 04:22 PM
1

I am having great fun with okcupid these days! Only got one date out of it so far, but that went really well and we've had more dates since. Took me a bazillion messages and fuckton of tweaking my profile at first though before girls finally started to respond, but now they do so quite consistently.
/r/seduction04/10/11 09:55 PM
1

Don't ask too early in the conversation though :-)
/r/seduction04/10/11 02:37 PM
1

Wholy crap. Nice.
/r/seduction03/10/11 08:53 PM
2

You should press enter TWICE between paragraphs not one, that fixes it.
/r/seduction03/10/11 08:12 PM
2

lol what?
/r/seduction03/10/11 08:10 PM
3

Imho, with all the abundance of material on the internet (i.e. EVERYTHING) and the fact that 90% is practice, bootcamps are a waste of money. Just read the side bar, talk to everybody, make a conscious effort to go out of your comfort zone and be patient. Disclaimer: I haven't done any bootcamps.
/r/seduction03/10/11 08:07 PM
3

Great list! We also had a 'common comebacks to shit tests' thread a while ago that I loved. We should make one HUGE MEGACOMPILATION of all of these compilations :-)
/r/seduction03/10/11 09:32 AM
2

I some times run with it and make up a very outrageous story and see how far I can go with it until she says I'm full of shit. Haha doing little things like this means you've really stopped caring about how you come accross to people - admirable :-)
/r/seduction03/10/11 09:31 AM
1

Haha, ok that's just a bit mean.
/r/seduction03/10/11 08:46 AM
4

Holy shit, do not pay attention to how often that guy says 'like' or it will ruin the entire thing for you. Sorry.
/r/seduction03/10/11 08:36 AM
1

I agree in fact, but just saying: the guy that approached her might have won her over too had he had a better story ready. Looks matter, but it's a bit of a 'sliding scale': the more looks you have the less game you need.
/r/seduction03/10/11 08:23 AM
1

Just a wild guess: stop smoking so much pot :-p (sounds like a pretty interesting house you live in though!)
/r/seduction02/10/11 11:26 PM
1

Drop the first and last sentence on that profile. Fix the capitalisation. End one or two sentences with an ! instead of just . You sound a bit dull and talking yourself very seriously now. Move this one over to the 'you should message me if ...' part of your profile, I suspect many people instinctly go straight to that one if they like your pics: it'd be nice to meet a cute, nerdy, mostly introverted, punk-ish girl with a diy mentality and an ambition to make the world a better place--not in a p…
/r/seduction02/10/11 11:23 PM
1

This made me smile :-) Next step: longer conversation! Try this: First say 'hi!' or even better 'hey!'. Then ask some question like you did on the first 'easy' week, how late it is, or where there is a shop nearby to where you can find XXX. THEN smile, and say something more after she answers. DONT SAY 'thanks'! Instead, say: 'man, I should really get myself a watch. But then again, I wouldnt be able to meet a nice stranger!' Or (she knows a place where you find XXX): 'whoa, you definitely know …
/r/seduction02/10/11 11:15 PM
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Kino! Make a conscious effort to touch her on her arm or leg casually while making some kind of joke at one or more points in the conversation. Or if she says something sad about her life or the situation, however trivial, make a playful drama out of it and give her a big hug saying 'you poor girl!', things like that. Second thing: don't be scared to joke at her expense, however short it is you guys know each other. Teasing a girl sends all the right messages, and it's fun anyway. Third: if you …
/r/seduction02/10/11 10:50 PM
1

Shame though, that apparently in this societ haing had a wonderful night together where you even kissed, is in this society still 'not well enough to offer a friendly couch'. Hell I've crashed at the couch of a girl I met that same day in the street to ask directions and nobody got killed.
/r/seduction02/10/11 10:41 PM
2

I have people crashing at my place, and crash at other people's places (even if I only know them very little but we did get along) all the time. Offering your roof to somebody is a very nice universal gesture, and I've crashed at people's places that I even only met one time before (or not at all). So no, I don't think it's necessarily creepy at all, especially if it's practical as it was for OP and his night-shift it seems. That said, indeed it can be easy for a girl that you don't know very we…
/r/seduction02/10/11 10:37 PM
2

Actually I though only the first 20 seconds or so had the interesting message: guys, realise you have it easy because you can work on become more attractive, whereas for a woman there is only so much you can do (because, well, there's only so much you can do about visual appearance which is the dominant quality guys are attracted to).
/r/seduction02/10/11 10:25 PM
2

Hmmm ok makes a bit more sense put this way. Also, I am the first to admit that I've taken home some oh well that will have to do tonights and had a great time with them, so yeah, in the end we pretty much agree I guess :-) I am personally also always verrrry willing to trade in 'raw beauty' points for 'fascinating personality' points, so I can definitely say this: learn to understand that looks are not the only thing that can make a woman attractive even though everybody (well, guys) seems to p…
/r/seduction02/10/11 10:21 PM
2

A guy who was great with non-verbal communication and 'carried the conversation' wins out over a guy who actually approaches but who just says the boring 'hey you are beautiful!' Hit the social interactions, work on being fascinating to interact with. FTFY.
/r/seduction02/10/11 10:14 PM
1

Great FR, thanks for being so open with the texts! First thought when reading the first part: aaaah no better moment to score a # then when on your way to a date from the previous one you got! :-) If ever there's a moment you are at your most confident it's then. My thoughts on your questions: You just go with it, and enjoy it for the wonderful messy chaotic firstworldproblem it is :-) HB9 can definitely still work out well, if you just cool down for at least a few days - you indeed sent too muc…
/r/seduction02/10/11 10:04 PM
2

I want dimmed light, people look the most beautiful in that anyway. Lights turned completely off seems pretty insane to me because great part of what turns me on is actually seeing the pretty naked lady :-)
/r/seduction02/10/11 09:32 PM
3

Say yes to things more. THIS THIS THIS. Even if you're tired, pissed because you just heard some bad news, and the person inviting you is not even your best friend, you never know how great the party will turn out if you don't go. Plenty of time to sit at home when you're 40!
/r/seduction02/10/11 09:31 PM
2

When the lights are off and you're the only two people in the room, looks instantly become unimportant. Wait, what? First, I don't want the freaking lights off (just dimmed for atmosphere :-)), I want to see the beautiful girl I am making love to. And second, I want her to be beautiful because that definitely adds to how good it all feels. That said, I do agree with your next one: You have to think of things in terms of what you will regret the most. So taking a girl home that wasn't the hottest…
/r/seduction02/10/11 09:29 PM
1

Lol, that would be beautiful :-) But of course the idea is that she gets how you are joking about the idea of somebody paying for the entire date. Sorry, I ninja-edited a bunch to my first comment btw (refresh!), after you added your reply already. Didn't mean to be confusing.
/r/seduction02/10/11 09:19 PM
3

I typically make jokes troughout the date about how nice it is that she's buying me this nice dinner etc etc... But I think it's a bit of a cultural thing too - where I live not splitting the bill would seem pretty weird. Especially if you established the date as 'hey lets do this cool thing together' and not as an invitation from you that she accepted. Actually, maybe this warrants bold: present the date as a proposal, not an invitation.
/r/seduction02/10/11 09:14 PM
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Awwwww that hurts to read :-) If your place was down the road, why didn't you just walk there with girl A? Girl C was just bad luck with the people showing up that know her bf, nothing you could do there but schedule a later meeting I think.
/r/seduction01/10/11 12:38 PM
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Strongly disagree. Sounds like you're rationalizing afterwards the cases that didn't go so smoothly and try to dismiss them as wasted time. In my experience, the vast majority starts lukewarm at best and heats up as the interaction progresses, and pretty much every girl that agrees on a date has in her mind somewhere that she wouldn't mind if it goes really fantastically and there turns out to be sex. So, don't dismiss anybody because they feel lukewarm at first - that's just how it is, and the …
/r/seduction01/10/11 12:32 PM
1

True. Luckily I am rarely the victim of heavy negative emotions towards anything, least of all some trait of somebody else, so I personally am not that easily phased by being called [trait I don't like]. Also, because, again, knowing yourself is the most important thing. I dislike irrationality, but if somebody were to call me an irrational person (we all have our irrational moments of course) I'd just know it wasn't true.
/r/seduction30/09/11 08:03 AM
1

Touching you often and laughing harder than normal with your jokes.
/r/seduction29/09/11 01:14 PM
10

I strongly disagree with the notion that what you dislike in others reflects something you dislike in yourself. If anything, if I dislike a trait in somebody, it's because I am proud for not having it, not afraid that I do. Maybe in the end it's just about knowing yourself and being glad with who you are.
/r/seduction29/09/11 01:13 PM
3

FUCK just the thought of this makes me nervous as hell. Then again, they just dropped like 40 000 gorgeous students in my city this week, so will try :-)
/r/seduction29/09/11 09:19 AM
4

Love this. Saying yes to everything from now on it is!
/r/seduction29/09/11 09:18 AM
3

I'm gonna go against common opinion here and say this: who cares about sober :-) If I feel held back because I'm sober (or the girl is sober) I don't go for k-closing soberly, I go for getting some booze somewhere.
/r/seduction29/09/11 08:51 AM
1

a girl does not want to be responsible for having sex with me. It has to happen 'by accident', i.e. if I invite her home this Thursday, she'll won't see it as an accident The answer is to have a plausible reason to invite her home. Talk about a funny video you can show her, you have boose lying around to finish the night with ... It's ok if you both understand the subtext, and you are right that having something like this can make it easier for her to say yes. Final remark: it's not because you …
/r/seduction26/09/11 09:34 PM
1

Thanks for the insight! I don't like direct openers but maybe that's also because I'm still a bit scared of rejection. I see an opener as just that: something to get over those crucial first 30 seconds, after that you can start a 'real' flirty conversation and go for the attraction. Frankly I was getting quite disappointed that nobody seemed to be reading, voting or commenting on my post here :-( Last time I'm gonna put this much effort in a post I think, the shorter the better I guess.
/r/seduction25/09/11 10:27 PM
1

Thanks for the explanation! Since I asked you the question I've been browsing r/mylittlepony, read the wikipedia and knowyourmeme pages and whatnot, started watching the first episode and ... Yeah, your explanation makes sense, but it's still not really my style :-)
/r/seduction25/09/11 09:37 PM
1

Exercise to try in the future: never stop talking until the other person walks away. This is wrong because it makes you the 'needy' one, on however small a scale. Whenever you can, especially in such a closed environment (where you're sure to walk in to each other again later in the night anyway), if you can be the person to cut of the conversation to go do something else, do so. That said, I've been a bit baffled by the 'hype' of MLP on reddit lately, what IS its appeal anyway? Care to explain …
/r/seduction25/09/11 08:42 PM
1

Because hitting on girls, talking to them and connecting with them is fun.
/r/seduction25/09/11 06:46 PM
6

Reading about the yelling to people on the street gave me a big smile - great moves, great report! Reading this, you're neither Average, Frustrated or a Chump as far as I'm concerned.
/r/seduction25/09/11 06:40 PM
1

realizing the importance of it made realize i had nothing to fear because it is valuable to me. To quote Sean Connery in First Knight: "A man who has nothing to fear, has nothing to lose." In other words I strongly disagree, if anything realizing something's value only has the potential to increase fear: the fear of losing it, or not getting it in the first place.
/r/seduction25/09/11 06:35 PM
2

I think indeed your situation reduces the chances for a same-night f-close drastically. I guess you'll just have to go for 'true' dating, k-closing or #-closing and saying goodbye, then building the kind of connection where you she doesn't mind going to her place.
/r/seduction25/09/11 06:31 PM
1

Thanks!
/r/seduction25/09/11 06:27 PM
1

I have it too, but I always say to my self while lingering over that send button: 'oh well whatever, fuck it' and then hit send. The trick is to then go do something else :-) PS: come to think of it, I say to myself 'oh well whatever, fuck it' about a LOT of things in my life, and I've found it to be a great attitude personally.
/r/seduction25/09/11 05:57 PM
1

do you have any past relationships, etc While they do like talking about past relationships (and how many you had does not matter at all I think), a girl will NEVER ask about your sex life before she actually had sex with her. So don't worry and just enjoy the ride!
/r/seduction25/09/11 05:55 PM
3

"Whoa there, I just asked because the drinks are free over there. You're thinking about sex way to soon here!"
/r/seduction25/09/11 05:51 PM
2

As always, your AA was not needed because this FR was a great read hehe... I love your use of 'bam' for k-close, I propose we make that a common thing! The bullet-point style is not bad to read; I like to read as much verbatim conversation as possible but it seems like there was not that much talking involved both times here :-) You must look pretty damn good or something to have girls into you like that though, or am I wrong? In any case I am sure you felt like a boss going back home! As for th…
/r/seduction25/09/11 05:50 PM
2

Not too bad, it definitely takes balls to call a girl who didn't give you her number personally :-) If she doesn't call back, I'd say try calling her again, as you've already written her off might as well consider it an exercise in smalltalk, nothing to loose! What on earth would you tell her, you say? Good question, tough one too :-) I'd say call her on a moment you're actually quite busy so you don't feel pressure to stay on the phone too long. This way you can also genuinly end the conversati…
/r/seduction25/09/11 04:34 PM
3

Whoa, that should make for some interesting FRs - and nights of course - to say the least. Can't wait to hear about how it went :-)
/r/seduction25/09/11 03:36 PM
3

Ask him to do an AMA on seddit of course!
/r/seduction25/09/11 12:10 PM
1

So, how was it? Did you get to talk to him about seduction at all?
/r/seduction25/09/11 12:10 PM
1

Respect.
/r/seduction24/09/11 09:29 PM
1

No, its normal, its nice to go out with friends. Having said that, how'd it go?
/r/seduction24/09/11 08:45 PM
0

For a hot girl who very likely gets her ass kissed by 99% of the guys she interacts with? You'd be surprised.
/r/seduction24/09/11 08:39 PM
1

What exactly did you text her? Call her sunday during the afternoon or something, than theres a higher chance shes tired nor with friends nor busy, which is how you want it.
/r/seduction24/09/11 07:14 PM
2

Amen indeed! Just happen to be reading The Game, nice to see that smile shape thing actually works :) Some unasked for advice: dont text her. Instead, put on a big smile as if she were standing in front of you (I am convinced a smile can be heard over the phone) and CALL her. Soon, too, while she still remembers the good feelings you gave her. Like, one day later or so. Remember the CCCC thingie for proposing that first, almost 'blind' date.
/r/seduction24/09/11 06:34 PM
2

Dont try to escalate to sex right away from the first time you meet them - though nobody knows better than me as hard constraining yourself like that can be! Most girls have INCREDIBLY deep issues wih sex on the first meeting, because their worst fear is to feel 'easy' but on the other hand will gladly go along on the second, if the first ended with a makeout. Have fun, and let me know how generally my experience applies :)
/r/seduction24/09/11 06:25 PM
1

Joke about it. Caring about stuff like that is unattractive and, frankly, a bit dumb.
/r/seduction24/09/11 04:48 PM
2

Definitely open with, and talk to, the guys first. Ask them for something practical and then start talking about the class or whatever. Dont even acknowledge her unless you absolutely have to. Keep the first conversation brief also, uess it really clcks and you are all having fun right away of course. From then on it will be natural to say hi and talk to either one of the group when you run in to them, even individually.
/r/seduction24/09/11 04:46 PM
1

I have the same, and suspect 90% of all guys do if they would be honest. Lots depends on context of course. For example I recently realized when in a group of girls I would nearly always be prepared to go for the cutest even if she's verrry moderate at best in 'absolute' terms.
/r/seduction24/09/11 04:36 PM
1

European 'student ciries', that are completely dominated by some old university, preferably historical ones so there are some tourists to boot. Bologna or Padova in Italy, Salamanca or Granada in Spain, plenty of places in Germany...
/r/seduction24/09/11 04:32 PM
1

Sucks, but I'd say damage control time! Fingers crossed she doesnt happen to be genuinly busy, this will make it feel like you're desperately chasing even though you are not. This has destroyed things for me sometimes and it's frustrating as hell. Anyway, welcome to the club, and thx for the report, it was a good read. I hear you with the wall of text problem, I suffer from it too, even within comments :)
/r/seduction24/09/11 03:37 PM
0

Plenty, because he wont be kissing her ass and trying to 'convince' her that she should like him in all the typical boring ways men usually do.
/r/seduction24/09/11 12:04 PM
1

The first, and then ideally it leads to the second sometime later. And even more later, eventually to find your true love of course.
/r/seduction24/09/11 11:59 AM
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Aaaaand as usual the female advice is well intended and may work if you have the kind of looks that make her flattered by your attention, but it's not half as good as OP's way I think. Then again, if she's with hot friends indeed she's a lot less likely to show shes impressed by your additude, let alone hand her number, but I think that holds in general. In any case thx for the input! As fascinating as you find seddit, I find a girl's take on seduction :)
/r/seduction24/09/11 09:39 AM
3

Thats going too far imo... As soon as youve become 'buddies' why not buy her a drink like you would with any mate? Making it clear that the next one is on her of course, no special treatment... Well maybe its a cultural thing, where I live 'going dutch' I considered simply antisocial.
/r/seduction24/09/11 09:30 AM
1

Yup! Well, sedittors do at least, most men... Not so much :)
/r/seduction23/09/11 06:33 AM
1

Oooh so thats why! So sad, I really loved reading that and found it a shame he stopped as soon as things got better for him. Hes a sedditor too, no?
/r/seduction23/09/11 06:29 AM
2

Damn, beat me to quoting Zorn :) I hope we can continue down this track and see how the mathematical quirkiness that follows if you accept Zorn as true translates into the world of pickup. Banach-Tarski, any group of girls together can be doubled in size using just elementary pickup techniques?
/r/seduction23/09/11 05:37 AM
1

Well, it's not pretty, you need to be a 'talker' type and you the kinda guy that keeps smiling in the most unlikely of circumstances (a girl just said no to your kiss!), but given that, you can 'pitch' the kiss like this: Awwww, come on! What's the deal with people these days, always worrying about the consequences and what people might think. I think we should just live for the moment and do what we feel like now. Who cares where it leads? Worse case scenario we discover we hate each other's gu…
/r/seduction20/09/11 08:30 AM
1

FUcking mobile.... Anyway, last line was: used it with success often when travelling, after getting acquinted with the girl next to me on the plane. Hooray for cheap airlines without numbered tickets :)
/r/seduction17/09/11 03:16 PM
1

It's not supposed to sound like asking for permission, more a fun and exciting idea you propose, with a smile and loiking straight in her eyes. I try to fill my interactions with 'let's do this or that' phrases to the max anyway, they enjoy being leaded and it sends all the right signals. That said, if you have a 'moment' where your heads are already close together, better to shut up and use that of course. This one is more a last shot, if the situation just isnt practical but you dont wanna lea…
/r/seduction17/09/11 03:13 PM
1

Its the girl from this FR - when we agreed to meet she asked for a picture without sunglasses to recognize me: Its a fake pic in fact. I know its silly but as much as I like okc, somehow i am still a bit scared that somebody would recognize me on an online dating site... I'll send you plenty of real ones to make up for it! But im curious: would you date me without knowing how I look? We already had great rapport at this point though, and as I said I look at least as good as the guy in the pic (t…
/r/seduction17/09/11 02:58 PM
1

Haha seems like we both cant help it, clearly some dysfunctiinal push-pull relationship going on here! Next post I'm gonna write in fucking French or something to avoid you :-p
/r/seduction17/09/11 08:22 AM
1

Dunno, so far it has come up only once and there I just said exactly as it is and sent some real pics by message... He looks more or less like me though, also in body type, so it does not really feel like cheating to me. (but of course you could see its a different face) Ive played with the thought of never saying it until the real date though, should be interesting to say the least.
/r/seduction17/09/11 06:44 AM
1

I hear you, it can get tiring trying to get some response from a girl with a good profile, as there are so many others trying. Have you had any dates from okcupid? This was just my first and I suspect I got rather lucky - curious to hear your experiences!
/r/seduction16/09/11 10:37 PM
1

That would be continental Europe... And this comment makes me glad I live here, we all go to bars regularly from age 16 or something.. But I am suspecting what we call 'bar' is what's called a pub in America? Like, there's no loud music or dancing, only people sitting, talking and drinking.
/r/seduction16/09/11 10:29 PM
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Errr, no it isnt... But I admit it's not something I experience every day!
/r/seduction16/09/11 10:22 PM
0

I think all of what you say is true, though it shouldnt discourage you. As for lying about weight, I only had one date and it turned out great but I cant speak in general. Okcupid has a great reputation for 'quality' non-desperate ppl though. And indeed I get rather few replies (like one in every 5 messages), but when I do the conversation is always nice and the girls toung, sincere and witty! Also, I just like it as a playground, trying to come up with something that will catch her attention am…
/r/seduction16/09/11 10:19 PM
0

Ok, you convinced me here, good points - i took them down.
/r/seduction16/09/11 06:43 PM
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Look, I get that it would come across as pretty harsh if she would read all this. But I promise you that goes for 90% of the content on seddit, and even the very premise of seduction being something you can learn and analyze. How is posting a picture to illustrate worse than detailing every single word and action of the girl as everybody always does here? If anything it's the more vulnerable move - now I can't just claim she has some hotness rating but leave it up for you to decide.
/r/seduction16/09/11 05:47 PM
1

Haha, just realized it was indeed you that called me on trying to sound too suave - what are the odds :-) Actually upon rereading it I agree with you, I am verbally high-fiving myself a bit often there. I toned it down a bit, and appreciate the blunt honesty!
/r/seduction16/09/11 05:39 PM
-3

Whoops, good point, thanks. Corrected.
/r/seduction16/09/11 05:19 PM
2

I need to eject before they do, before they make the decision. That must have been a tough call, but indeed the right one I think, or her 'last' impression of you could have turned out to be that you're clingy. Beautiful read and wise lesson!
/r/seduction16/09/11 04:46 PM
-5

Yeah that was the plan in fact, as I am definitely impressed by her! But as I said, I've always found it a bit of a shame we so rarely get to see the face of the central character of the story here so there you go :-)
/r/seduction16/09/11 04:42 PM
2

Wait, where did I brag? Apart from the fact that I'm detailing an obviously successful night, the best response to this I can get in my book is criticism saying what I did wrong and where I almost blew it or whatever ... As for techniques, I shared verbatim wherever I could. Mentioning how good looking she turned out to be seems relevant too here, because there's always the risk of getting truly shaken up by that and getting all nervous. But I'm starting to sound all defensive here, sorry, that'…
/r/seduction16/09/11 04:38 PM
1

Biggest danger imo is that it is three of you together all night. That's the number to avoid. If you can't get rid of the bff easily (and you probably won't if it's just the two of them going together), I would suggest trying to make the group even bigger so the two of you chatting/... amongst yourselves won't seem weird. In practice, that means joining that birthday party thingie ASAP I think. There just entertain her off her socks and, well, it's Oktoberfest for a reason, get happily drunk tog…
/r/seduction16/09/11 04:34 PM
9

Awwww that hurt :-) Not a native speaker here and the usual comment I get is for trying to sound to suave and elegant and whatnot. So now I try to tone it down a bit and it's still not good? Guess I should just loose the 'lol's and smileys ;-)
/r/seduction16/09/11 04:28 PM
-3

But hold in mind as I said in my fr, she looks rather average on this one (and it's the best on her profile) but somehow applied the right subtle makeup or something, a body she never shows in her pics, and combined with clothes that just somehow 'worked', KABOOM :-)
/r/seduction16/09/11 04:21 PM
1

Have fun out just how 'public' they are!
/r/seduction16/09/11 03:38 PM
1

Haha, great! I love the enthousiasm pooring out of your writing :-) Salsa classes are pretty great for this too, for all the same reasons and maybe one extra that it is a bit 'exotic'. Also I think there's more salsa courses than swing courses in most cities, so there you go guys, if there's no swing course nearby you know what to do.
/r/seduction16/09/11 03:21 PM
1

If your nickname is a reference to Les Mis I love it. Can't you just include great posts from seddit for example? I'm sure that's all 'public', no?
/r/seduction16/09/11 03:16 PM
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Haha, true! Actually they are often not even lying: girls are super self-conscious in 'typical' social environments where they are always a bit aware that many people 'publicly' hear what they say, if something they do will be interpreted poorly, if they come across as too cold, too warm, too purple, whatever ... But once you have a relation of trust, establish that having fun is the main goal (my specialty :)), and you're both in a place where it's obvious nobody else is near, all hell can safe…
/r/seduction16/09/11 03:07 PM
-8

EDIT: removed pics for finally getting it was not the most brilliant thing to do after all.
/r/seduction16/09/11 02:45 PM
1

I'm a guy, but: people who abused a shitload of drugs when younger but made it to a great spot in life anyway (or stopped the abuse first and then started advancing) are very cool in my book. Congrats on having lived the good life without fucking yours up!
/r/seduction16/09/11 12:25 PM
1

Dude, how can you have the kind of self-confidence where you have 3 girls in a few days, but then come and post here about some stupid sweater. The obvious one is of course doing nothing until somebody askes, but how about if one of them comes over you say 'hey I got a present for you!' and then give the sweater. If it's hers she'll laugh with the 'present', if it's not she'll be glad with the gift. Stir things up a bit :-)
/r/seduction16/09/11 09:20 AM
1

Aaaaaah that first time you went up to a girl, completely blew it and walked away, and realize you didn't really care and will forget about it real soon. Guys that never experience this in their lives are a bit 'dying a virgin' if you ask me.
/r/seduction15/09/11 11:48 AM
2

I disagree with all the guys saying you have to be so harsh to your friend - or even cut him out of your life. What are we, a bunch of drama queen college 'bff' chicks? No. He did a bit of screwup, sure, but people screw up all the time, sometimes slips out by accident, whatever. The definition of friends is that you don't go all OMG YOU BETRAYED ME when they do something bad. And hey, sorry, but am I the only one that thinks that saying the truth about you being a virgin (OH NOES!) to this one …
/r/seduction14/09/11 08:04 AM
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