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This is because anxious patterns lose attraction. In your own words miss actually red pilled :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:14 PM
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You also never taught them. Because you are entitled and the problem. Have you considered dating someone and raising them up? Women are responsible for the happiness of the marriage. If you marriage went bust, its because you got unhappy and projected that all over your life and ruined it. Your guy would have been there foreever, and he would have been there to learn if you were patient with him and treated him respectfully. You didn't though and now you're here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:04 AM
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not sure if you have dated women but they often get really angry if you ask permission.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:53 AM
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That's the most illogical woman shit i've ever heard in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:03 PM
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That's a manipulation tactic called putting words in my mouth. Care to discuss respectfully in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:53 PM
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Both? You live in a society that behaves in an expected and predictable way. Being naive or ignorant to reality is not an excuse. Playing with fire and burning yourself is a complete victim mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:44 PM
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That's because they don't want to look shallow to other women. They ask the men they are dating. Red pill men are not wrong. They see the same patterns with every woman they date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:29 PM
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Appeal to ignorance or appeal to naivety fallacy. Take your pick Women are absolutely accountable for their decisions. We even have a term for these men, fuckboys. If you play with fire you get burned, its your fault. No sugar coating lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:22 PM
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no but fuck no where canada and it still happens. Women are crazy man. Scab rats
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:29 PM
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When you date women you hear the same thing "did you buy bitcoin" Tells you all you need to know
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:31 AM
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Also the red pill man blends into the typical family structure. He's attractive. He's red pilled. So these men ended up being the men being dated, systemically. I watched as all my hs friends got red pilled. and mind you im mid thirties. And they all immediately got women. What we are not understanding here are the red pill men are the successful men. Women are dating red pill men and then gaslighting incels. The red pill man fits the inherited childhood trauma. Thats why it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:22 AM
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The issue is with where we are in the super cycle. It's just how the zeitgeist rolls. Our society is valuing quick wins, frivolous and shallow things, open corruption and exploitation. We have an employment crisis, yields uninverted and we had 5 hindenburg signals. Shit is going to get F U C K E D and everyone rats trying to get their piece. Women are no different. Now straddled with housing debt, in jobs that will be replaced, they will have nothing to turn to other than bankruptcy and nice guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:55 PM
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Nice guys don't know what's not nice about being a nice guy. They don't understand the subtle game being played indirectly. The power dynamics. The psychology. The projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:58 PM
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They say this to gaslight beta bob. This is to feel power. Feminists want to see men fail, so do actively gaslight nice guys. repeatedly. Like womens default is to treat men as nice guys and try to manipulate them. Every time you enter a relationship with a new woman, romantic or not, they will always gauge how nice of a nice guy you are. They say this to give chad the opportunity to be attractive. This is to feel lust. They want to find the chad who calls them out on their bs. Then they stop. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:49 PM
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Just world fallacy. Those old school masculine men, who value those masculine values, aren't valued in a society that values instant gratification, shallow pursuits. These mens value is lost because our society has degraded. A result of economic "prosperity" (negligence), creating an entire generation of disillusioned women. Whom will have a very very hard lesson to learn when the outcomes from bond yield uninversion begin to appear. Most of these women own houses with skyhigh debt levels. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:30 PM
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Yes, it's a cluster B victim mindset. Literally population wide generational inherited family trauma. They're all just parroting this bs to eachother and triggering eachother
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:15 PM
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So we should believe you because you said you researched it, and you came to the opposite conclusion of this peer reviewed work?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 02:15 PM
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So you are taking the opinion of an influencer on a broad topic like "evolutionary psychology" to invalidate objectively measured and peer reviewed work about a very specific topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 02:05 PM
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Yes, gaslight me using something you invented in your mind about my life and person. Totally works a treat!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 02:02 PM
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Objective data is not patriarchal because you don't like it. Grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 01:37 PM
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Okay but you're still like 5000% off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 01:37 PM
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I believe you are framing my comment as wrong person to dismiss what I said. I did NOT respond to the wrong person. Please have better critical thinking (perhaps consider why i'd bring it up following "I think consent is so often male focused because the overwhelming majority of violent registered sex offenders are men")
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:48 PM
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yes, and imagine dating these women lol. They've been so pedastalized and simped for they are unable to act reasonably.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:46 PM
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okay and most men who work out power lift. 4 million is <1%. More than 1% of males lift. You are extrapolating behaviors of like a subset minority 1% across all power lifters and its just a silly argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:44 PM
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Men and women actually, and the data is impartial. What an irrational woman argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:38 PM
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No, I just didn't adopt your frame. This is very obvious and clear female behavior, you can just chat gpt it. The fact that you do not know this is gendered is actually highly odd, considering the experience with women you are insinuating. No one with experience with women believes your naive ungendered view of their behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:26 PM
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this is objectively not true. it's parroted, but the direct quote from mate selection studies is 'there is a looks threshhold that must be crossed before women will consider any other attribute in a male partner'. They actually measured between genders too and you got it backwards lol. women are the shallow ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:24 PM
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minority. i'd wager most do power lifting to start
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:28 AM
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It's her wording.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:40 PM
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Yes, ""oh you dont need to put a condom on for a little bit" - her words are minimizing and boundary breaking, our agreement is condoms. Then used as a poker chip to withdraw. Quite toxic really. Have not met a woman who didn't do it in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:29 PM
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So you dealt with only guys and think women are like guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:27 PM
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Of course you would minimize and try to frame my experience as not rape. Why wouldn't you, despite how irrational that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:21 PM
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Like - have you interacted with women before?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:20 PM
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Not true. This teaching is from the idea that women are often codependent and expect a man to facilitate a lot of interactions. Not all women are like this, but enough are (statistical majority i'd wager especially younger). As a man you learn women expect you to lead. In many many ways. There is an unsung rule regarding what is your territory. It's the gold standard where do you want to to dinner today babe? Except the ladies don't realize that scenario plays out in some many ways. They never h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:26 PM
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That's not what I said. Forcing penetration when the agreement is condoms is actually considered rape where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:15 PM
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All women I have dated have raped me. Whether it was "oh you dont need to put a condom on for a little bit" or just like waking up and fucking me at 3am. They want the control to set boundaries arbitrarily, but also advise you to take them when the time is right. They create a game where they control the narrative and the frame around sex and intimacy. If its a dead bedroom, the frame is you suck at foreplay or its the wrong time or shes tired. It's all just about power and control. Everyone wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 11:26 AM
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The issue is with shame. Most women don't handle it well, so they will like string a guy a long because they feel bad about ghosting them, so will literally fight tooth and nail to say they are interested but somehow cognitively always reject anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 11:04 AM
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It's not projection. The dating market literally fills up with anxious and avoidants. You get a lot of bpd traits in women. These men aren't wrong and this is completely backed by statistics...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:22 AM
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They also give red pill advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:11 AM
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Let's not normalize bpd
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 10:01 AM
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I am not required to post a study. lady, this is wendy's The fact is this is a simple google. You are naive regarding the role of testosterone and estrogen in our bodies. So educate yourself, or continue being incredibly irrational. To me, this is a simple fact about the hormones in our body that are well studied. I do not need to cater to you because you are naive. You can in fact just google the role of testosterone and honesty, or perhaps plug it into chat gpt? Like you have spent more time a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 10:26 AM
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They measured how honest men and women are. Testosterone affects mens honesty greatly. It's one reason the high T jaw is such a strong attractor. Like don't blame the messenger and get all triggered. It's totally insecure. This is reddit. Own your shit and don't flip the script, cuz i dont give a shit lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:43 AM
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look it's not a victim complex when you can measure how much they are victims. stop gaslighting lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:33 AM
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Look I won't be gaslight, you commented on me in some insecure autistic rant and you then wrote a paragraph in another autistic rant. >Psychologically, it’s an act of projection. Their own sense of humiliation, insignificance, or inadequacy becomes unbearable, so they externalize it by attacking the very being of the other. It’s an attempt to expel internal shame by inducing it in the other Yes, that is what has happened. Very self aware. Now realize that you are projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:32 AM
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They suffer in silence. As their peers openly gaslight them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 08:43 AM
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It's not a claim? it's literally just true. That's how testosterone works. Put away your fembot triggers and be rational and look it up yourself. You are embarrassing yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 08:35 AM
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No it shows courage to stand up to a bully. Why do you even exist
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 08:27 AM
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No I value authenticity and vulnerability and frankly you're a moron.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:11 PM
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Yes but they are less agreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:07 PM
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putting words in my mouth? consider investigating what testosterone does in your own time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:07 PM
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it never stops to amuse me when uptight people have an autistic aneurysm over spelling. That was a 100% contextually appropriate use of the phrase. No one has time or care for your grammar checks, it's autistic af.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:31 PM
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All the good men I know are single and all the shitty men I know have been with women for a decade. most of the women i dated gave away 9/9 in the dism5 by the first date. It is truly unfortunate. I converted and instantly found success. Was just sad to see the truth, as it cost some of those friendships with those good men. People can't handle change in others. The resentment came as a result of my success. I'm a little emotional about it still. say la vie I knew it would happen beforehand and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:43 PM
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Men and boys care about justice. So men and boys will speak out against 'authorities' which threaten their sense of justice. Rational or irrational. They also have a switch puberty which changes their behaviors and chemically makes them less likely to listen or do what their parents ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:36 PM
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This is how people are is a good argument to support me, not detract from me. You realize that right? We can observe that there is a looks threshhold that must be passed before any other attribute is considered. So telling men to improve their personality is not the best advice if they are struggling to get their foot in the door. Because it has the least effect for the most amount of effort. Especially nowadays people are impatiend and want things fast. Like, some people expect sex from the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:17 PM
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I just don’t think behaviour is biologically innate or inevitable. Yes, and how does that even matter for this topic? You are trying to say an apple is not an orange when we are talking about how fruit interacts with people. More directly, it doesn't matter! it's an argumentative fallacy. You are distracting from the point by changing the topic. And it's not about yung. Again, you are trying to say an apple is not an orange. My message is human behavior is well measured. It doesn't even matter w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:25 AM
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Okay so it being cultural shows the observed behavior and felt behavior. You are basically saying because it's cultural it doesn't matter. That's not very logical or rational. Whether you look at what the greeks did on male/female behavior. Maybe delve into some Carl Yung and anima, or look at the field of evolutionary psychology they all rhyme. We have entire fields of psychology dedicated to gendered behaviors LOL. cluster b personality disorders for instance? The message matters in this discu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:16 AM
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And do you have concerns with a branch of psychology that is well studied, well referenced, and very well understood? We've been studying this at least since ancient Greece...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:04 AM
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Yes - exactly!! Men are obsesses with competing with each other. Directly. This is because men prefer to compete directly and women indirectly. intra-sexual competition! Why do women think men make them? My position here is actually from intricate psychology knowledge on the topic of intrasexual competition. That is intra - within the gender. Social scientists have researched how we compete for mates against our own matching gendered peers. Women have been beautifying themselves for thousands of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:52 AM
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They shouldn't be, however the nice guy is used basically as a golden retriever and pet. So is the co in the codependent relationship. So i feel it happens often. I agree with you though. Wouldn't be suprised to see similar tactics used man, lots of manipulative people out there both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:41 AM
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try not to be triggered. she actually has a good and reasonable point. In some ways supporting you. She also answered your question indirectly. She acknowledged the truth of the situation. She cares about personal agency. She is okay with this person being used and discarded. She recognizes how the society works and the value in that for her and the society. As sheep, men are clueless to the world. The system is very very good at exploiting maximum economic output. Certainly read the book you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:36 AM
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the best thing we can do for men, is show them the data about how shallow women are. Men are shallow too. But men need to hear that women are shallow for them to make any change. For context - i spent years being unable to get a girl out for coffee. Was well educated, well groomed, dressed somewhat ok. 10 years of this, had the career, had the life, still getting ghosted. Well I got muscular and had 8 first dates with 8 different women within two weeks of updating my photos. And these women were…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:30 AM
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It's easy to put this on men, but I feel like women just compete indirectly from a young age. Men will 'be boys' and just go out and have fun, be a part of the group. Women by that point are already playing the game socially. Whether they know it or not, they're putting makeup on, making comments about their peers or themselves and tooting their own horns. I'll watch these women start just asking boys to do things for them, already starting to exert sexual power over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:56 AM
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Oh that would be exciting! how did that one turn out?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:55 AM
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It's their avoidance. They are highly conflict avoidant and prefer harmony over authenticity. But they actually aren't effective, it's just a ruse. Just go watch that one season of survivor where they did a full male vs full female tribe. They never did it again it was that telling and bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:26 AM
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And i answered you. Women respond well to eroticism. Measurably via FMRI. Are you a native english speaker?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:32 PM
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Women measurably respond very very favorably to eroticism. The data is pretty objective. They ironically all report the opposite. But this is what the sexperts have found. If you want to educate yourself more on womens arousal - learn from the experts yourself. This is a direct quote basically from Tracey Cox - who spent her entire life learning about sex. You are however quite misinformed and naive here. As a bluepill man you may even be okay with the status quo you currently have. But if only …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:12 PM
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Yes, and that is the appeal to common sense fallacy. For one common sense isn't common (everyone knows that...) and two just because its common doesnt mean you cant talk about it and it certainly does not mean that is not a red pill view. Like there is a venn diagram of what is red pill, bluepill, blackpill. There isn't really room for how you feel, because a lot of those are pretty clear cut. You don't get to pick and choose. If you understand dynamics you have game. If you observe, you underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:02 PM
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Oh ya 100%. I've had women full on tell me they follow all three red pill pillars themselves, date a man who is all 3 red pill pillars, in their own words, then somehow can't accept they are red pilled. Then they call themselves blue pilled to avoid the shame hahaha. Most of it is shame driven behavior. They attack incels because they have shame around how they treat them subhuman while simultaneously gaslighting them about their own demonstrated preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:10 PM
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So because you feel you that the pills are dumb you are no pill, but to everyone else you are objectively red pilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:03 PM
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That is called putting words in my mouth, and shows the manipulative nature of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:02 PM
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Of course she has anxiety, that's what dread is. Did you listen? Not ok to put words in my mouth. Obviously i'm not going to be manipulated by her nor you...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:02 PM
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It's not fair for you to project trauma from getting plowed from some rancid fatty as a fact of behavior of all nice guys. Yes it does, think more critically. Thats why they obsess over looks because they wish they were hot enough for nothing else to matter. That is not true, because in order to invoke dread they need to be attractive. Women are only dating men that invoke dread - the spark. They care about looks because objectively they must care about looks to get a girlfriend...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:37 PM
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Yes. The red pill teaches men how to care for especially BPD and other cluster B personality disorders. In fact a lot of those cluster B personality disorders are from unmet masculine needs in childhood. As the red pill teaches masculinity from the lens of measured objective societal and or biological gender norms, it succeeds in giving men the skills to care for and treat these women. These disorders have around a 30% treatment rate after 1 year of very disciplined care and attention. A lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:30 PM
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not true. I was just a little chubby and couldn't get a girl out for years. When I did become attractive and glowed up I was swarmed. My current partner was having full on panic attack breakdowns at the thought of losing me regularly early on in our relationship. The emotion is called dread. When men are 'it', they invoke dread. it's strongly correlated to choosing signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:27 PM
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so you are red pilled? probably date a man who conforms to all 3 red pill pillars?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:13 PM
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>There are men who ignore problems in their relationship This is expected men to be leaders and facilitate resolution. You are reinforcing a gender norm because them violating the gender norm statistically has a 63% chance of causing a negative emotional response in your brain. In fact most of your post is reinforcing the red pill on leadership and status and game. Accept you are red pilled omg you are delulu. When you talk to red pill men you aren't talking to these nice guys, you are talking t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:05 PM
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Yes they care about status, and so aligning themselves with red pill chads in real life, and making fun of incels online feeds the ego. They also feel power by gaslighting nice guys their whole lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:43 PM
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You are trying to say part of what he said isn't true and ignoring the message. It's a very bad faith argument. You are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 02:42 PM
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Yes it is. It doesn't matter if these people believe they are being genuine it not. That they truly believe they are not withholding anything and are being honest. Because objectively their measured behaviors display otherwise. You are just trying to invalidate his point on the basis that it's not true because part of what he said is not technically correct or difficult for him to argue. Though its not difficult for me to argue. You are objectively wrong and arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 12:50 PM
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Most feminists do not understand the difference between equality and equity. Equality is everyone is treated the same. Equity is people who are lower are raised to the same level as others. Feminists often say they wand equality, but describe equity. Equity is the opposite of equality. It is by definition unequal treatment
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 12:46 PM
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I find it funny but I will talk to blue pilled women here, and guide them through all three pillars of the red pill. Without fail they're always red pilled. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 12:43 PM
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hiding or not the effect is the same. Appeal to ignorance fallacy. It doesn't matter because objectively reported preferences are not the same as measured preferences. So whether they are rational or not is hardly relevant to the observed behavior and outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 12:37 PM
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I was a late bloomer and every women I ever had romantic reciprocation from rejected me as soon as they learned I was a virgin. Like complete shift in behavior. Sorry lady, but my lived experience is that women treat you sub human. It didn't matter the amazing dates we had, it didn't matter that we talked all night every night. It didn't matter. Because as soon as they heard still a virgin they all left. This wasn't just one or two experiences. This was almost a dozen before I learned i had to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:42 PM
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if hes autistic he will be good with women. just needs the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:32 PM
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Had several women reject me, completely 180 shift behavior wise as soon as they found out i was a virgin. almost every girl made asking about relationship experience a big priority. Unfortunately past like mid twenties you cannot be a virgin and be honest. you have to either skip the topic or lie. It's just how it is. The first experience I did have I left the girl screaming out the top floor apartment window because I did know what I was doing, but you cant get to an intimate relationship with …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 07:00 PM
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which means 1 set of rules for attractive people and 1 set of rules for unnatractive people, which by definition is "throwing away rules for one and not the other" so you are arguing fluff and nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:49 PM
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Yeah except I made myself more attractive and women started throwing themselves at me en masse, and finding every which way to get involved in my life. So reality > whatever you do to make yourself feel better about being measurably this shallow as a gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:48 PM
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We have scientific validity for a very wide array of gendered male and female behaviors. Are you trying to say that we have not studied male and female behavior to identify these differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:47 PM
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Yes it does, its in the graph. Near 0 is still 0 and its near 0 till 80 percentile objectively. Since its exponential the 85th percentile is like 1,000% more than the 60th percentile lol... and by 95th its like 10,000%... do you know how to read graphs and understand rate of change, derivatives, slopes, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:43 PM
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not sure why you feel putting googling chad on me for you invalidates my points. And thats my point - different rules for attractive people than for unnatractive people. How are you blue? you literally just defended the red pill. The absence of a given rule for one group is objectively throwing away rules for one, if you inverse the perspective. so you defended me too??
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:32 PM
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when i talk to blue pillers i no joke almost every time get them to admit they are actually red pilled. the solution is the red pill. looks, status, game. Work on those 3 and you will be attractive. Worked for me - 0 coffee dates in 10 years to 8 first dates with 8 diff ladies in a two week period. night and day. too ugly to meet for coffee to omg i gotta cook this guy dinner and fuck him because i dont wanna lose him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:05 PM
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i agree red pill is a in control thing and there is no blame. that would violate the acceptance component, so is inherently anti red pill as you state For one, people who 'say' they are red pill say those things and two im not sure the appeared rate of occurence matters? Men and Womens nature has been well studied for centuries. The greeks for instance wrote a lot, and it was quite a bit more misogynistic than the red pill is. Go research C Yung's work on anima for a more recent take. These teac…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:02 PM
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They are perceived as not having social skills because they are unattractive. It's an unfortunate side effect of people not changing their behavior and thought process all the time and instead operating like animals. The judgemental, objectively halo-effect producing narcissistic apes we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 06:13 PM
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do you not know what a chad is? when I was not chad women needed weeks to feel safe enough to meet me for coffee. When I was chad I would send a kiss emoji, a coffee emoji and be meeting girls the next day. These women would also promptly double down and invite me into their apartments where they would in fact fuck me. Like the polarity is actually a little vomit inducing, given the behavior and mindset of most women & their opinions of the male loneliness epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 06:02 PM
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just became chad. women swamped me. all their rules went out the window. they were cooking me dinner and fucking me just for being chad, exactly like the red pill says. Yes I found a partner, according to what ive learned is good traits according to the red pill. Been together for years now. She says she is the luckiest girl in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 05:50 PM
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Yes very not understood. I feel that how abuse manifests in relationships is similar for both genders though. Most people lack self awareness let alone the awareness to identify these very specific behaviors which are abusive and likely not OK. Lots of men get really hurt. Women do too, for different reasons and some similar. I feel awareness around these behaviors is important but I do not feel it is inherently gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 05:47 PM
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Totally agreed, thats how it should be. But it's also not really realistic to how people actually behave. Or even you or I behave. That's a really intent reliant view. For someome who values reasoning, like you and I, the emotional reaction is out of proportion. And you are right that to most people it is out of proportion. But to this person it is real. So the trick she is looking to see, to feel safe, and yes to satisfy some emotional wound (abandonment likely), or as an external manifestation…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 05:42 PM
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I was a turbo virgin. Used to get asked out frequently but got a little chubby. so the grade school romances stopped and was ignored by women, even women in my friend groups. Had really strong male friends, was well liked in three friend groups. But the ladies never liked me. They wouldn't want to engage in conversations, respond shortly, change the topic often. Well it stayed this way well through my university education. Tried OLD, for years. Women would want to talk for weeks before a date, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 05:34 PM
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well it's a spectrum right, so she can just be less bpd than the other women you dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:28 AM
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Hmm are you well versed in borderline behaviors, codependency?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:21 AM
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You are right but you are forgetting it's just a repeated shit test. She wants to see that you can show care and attention towards an emotionally safe environment for child rearing reasons. It's irritating for a secure man who thinks like you do, because you are reasonable and rational. However she's acting irrational as a shit test to verify if you are safe or not around people who display insecurity like children would. Honestly it's all just annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:15 AM
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Honestly you are so far off what the pills actually are, im not sure how you got this wrong. But please educate yourself on the pill types because its really frustrating to communicate with people who have such odd views about something objective. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oz-tOcwlVs The red pill correctly claims the 20% rule. Look at who women actually message - we measured it. its objective. you are just lying to yourself by denying it: https://i.redd.it/robcb3ggida81.jpg - Thats from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 06:56 AM
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Well kind of. I feel more accurately men need to stop allowing women to dismiss mens issues under the false narrative that these issues are being put on women to solve. The entire red pill unquestionably puts it all on men by definition. So in the context of this debate forum is also a grossly negligent and ignorant position to bring up. I agree with you that as soon as its a mens issue it gets no engagement and dismissal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:43 PM
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No, men just want to be heard about the issues. The red pill is actually an optimistic mindset and puts it all on the man to accept the world for what it is and meet the worlds expectations. It does this by acknowledging how the world works. This means not being offended that all the women want chad and becoming chad yourself. Because no one cares about your issues and no one is going to save you. If you do not become chad you will just be labeled a sexless incel, sexual retard. And its your fau…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:28 PM
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>It would be less fine by me if I was also living at home* She literally verbatim says that if she didn't have a house it would be a big priority (defacto less fine). You are just wrong, own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:24 PM
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She very clearly said having a house matters in her decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:11 PM
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She very clearly said that if she did not have her own place, it would matter that he did. Because she cares about the status of being a home owner and owning a home. This is objective. You cannot posture your way away from it. So get outta here with your nonsense LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:41 PM
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which was completely fine by me because they could just come here. It would be less fine by me if I was also living at home* Very clearly status.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:29 PM
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It's a way they protect themselves. They refuse to 'see' parts of their reality because to admit that part of their reality would be uncomfortable for them. So they work to protect their sense of self, which is based in a reality that isn't really true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 07:49 AM
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No, they all feel the ick. This is per instance of displaying behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 07:44 AM
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It's not a fear, it's a truth. Women do not interact with men who ick them out. If you want to connect with women in any way (not just sex) you must conform to gender norms. Otherwise they get too triggered to maintain the relationship with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:08 PM
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Care to explain how you got there from my comment? Feels like another attempt to change the topic (after the whole shackle part).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:01 PM
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Yes you are talking about equity, raising everyone up to the same level. That's actually the opposite of equality - because by definition you are giving unequal treatment and treating one more than the other. But this is not really the topic at hand, I don't really want to talk about how people often mistake equity for equality. I agree equity is good, and we should raise everyone up to '0' - whatever we define '0' as. The issue is that the dating market forces it on men, not red pillers. You ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:34 PM
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Those old values absolutely align with how reality is today. the red pill is if anything a more traditional view. It's actually new values (body positivity) and some misnomers about what equality means (and the difference between equality and equity) that are driving this discourse. If they had old values they wouldn't have this problem. Incels are a modern problem created by modern ideals that do not align with real world human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:19 PM
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So this is a hard status red pill view. Why are you blue?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:56 AM
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we dont care about old people who cant even get their dick hard when we are talking about modern dating market. It's like saying people aren't active enough and looking at seniors in a senior care home.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:49 AM
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I like it! Very looks based red take tho
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:19 AM
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its actually 107 to 100. men die younger so it evens out at later ages, like 60s. Men are more likely to be born and we import a lot of male workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 11:15 PM
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ya just a typo
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 03:28 PM
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The dating market is just stretched completely elastic, like the housing market. For every seller there are many buyers, so the buyers have power.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 02:15 PM
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They project their shallowness by defending not being shallow. It's just projection. This is why you have to invert what women say, because they are often projecting some insecurity so you gotta trail backwards from the 'why does she feel like this'
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:21 AM
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except social scientists proved there is a looks threshhold that must be crossed before any other attribute is considered in a male partner. The personality angle doesn't work because its been objectively disproven. Looks matter first, above all, and then personality matters. If you can't even get a girl to engage with you - it doesn't matter how much rizz you have lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:18 AM
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A cow looks at a pig in a pen and thinks he is a sheep.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:11 AM
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He's also not wrong though. Sticks to the facts. There is actually a tremendous amount of social science research about this stuff. Go deep dive into anima from C yung. Go read what the greeks thought about men and women. Then ask yourself how we got here today... Just dive into history and the only outcome is red.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:18 AM
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I agree there is probably a lot of red pillers who are not at peace. Though that is against what the red pill defines as red pill. They should be more stoic about it, and change what is in their control. Basically down to the teaching of the ancient greeks. They aren't following the red pill if they are not at peace with how the world is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 05:54 AM
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the bluepiller hides from reality as a form to protect themselves from it. the red piller sees reality for what it is, accepts it, and has inner peace about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:15 PM
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Until the man is less lustful than the woman, when the mans SMV is higher. It flips the script. The attractive person always has power. Hence why chad has power over all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:10 PM
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ya but like you don't test for that, that's super scum bag behavior. most people just wanna fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:36 AM
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ya you may feel that way but last i checked my partners thighs were quivering uncontrollably yesterday. i feel you just have had bad sex and bad partners to not like sex. My partner was the biggest prude I have ever met in my life and that went right out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:00 PM
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most secure people want to have sex and often. what even is this lmao. the average is twice a week for younger couples. It's like 3-4 for young young.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:25 AM
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The issue is the social cues angle is just a cope to avoid accountability. The real true experience is 1) be attractive 2) dont be unattractive, but our society is still stuck on finding any excuse other than that. The best way is just appeal to primal attraction. Then you do not need to do anything at all. Women just chase you instead. Attraction is composed of many angles. From looks, money, status, social skills, prowess in a life tasks. We've even measured how much each matters. 80-20 rule t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:58 PM
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You are confusing the actions of those who self identify as red pill with what the red pill is. The red pill of this topic would simply be luxuries and neccesities model by norman li we can objectively say how much money and status matters compares to personality attributes. It's been measured. Read the study. We can also objectively say how much this varies by region. For instance south east asian women prefer money over physical appearance. Women in the west value physical features much more p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:37 PM
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I earned status in my 20s, then came chad. my experience is lmao. no dates in 10 years to like 8 first dates within 2 weeks of updating my photos. girls were literally throwing their vaginas at me. A year prior I couldn't get a girl out to coffee for a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:13 PM
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We can however objectively measure what traits men and women select for when selecting partners. So although behaviors may vary based off individual preferences we can certainly glean insights from trends set by statistical likelihood. These preferences are objectively gendered and vary quite significantly by gender. So although there is a degree of personalization here, overall you can still say X Y Z makes a 'better' than not 'better' wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:29 PM
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i feel like I pressed the wrong comment to reply to. it made sense to who i wrote it to originally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:22 PM
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you are free to read norman li's published work, for instance necessities and luxuries model. He measures what each gender values when selecting mates for both long and short term mating. The looks threshold is a direct quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:12 PM
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you would hope the data came from a blog dating website, as you'd be referring to the founder of OK cupid
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:10 PM
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Yes well the good news is that in the social sciences we have determined that there is a looks threshold that must be crossed before any other attribute is considered
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:11 PM
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Just google number of male competitors by height lady. one of your friends having rizz doesn't change who we have measured is actually chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:07 AM
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Yes. I know how to help her overcome her shame and insecurity around sex. I am also very very skilled in bed which helps. If you know how to really love a woman, I feel like turning her around on it isn't very hard. My current partner was basically this. Women love eroticism (measured through fMRI) so its inevitable with the right care and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:05 PM
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seduction is just a skill. Also - i found that just by attraction alone i didn't have to do anything. Went from girls turning around in the supermarket to being woken up and fucked, straddled on first dates, hr executive touching me in the elevator. basically there are no rules for chad. women are just happy giving to chad for little in return
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:03 PM
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Yet when we look at mate selection research, a man 6'3" has on average 0.5 other competitors for the same woman, and a man 5'5" has 30. So 60x the competition. Measured by who women actually went on dates with after meeting. The issue with the 'able to talk to women argument' is we observe a few traits dominating, such as height.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:50 PM
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chads always such an amazing guy. He lets me fuck him every day! ewwww an incel wants sex? loser became the chad and my girl woke me up and fucked me this morning. now im drinking my coffee wide awake while she sleeps in. Just fucked me and then went back to bed. Woke me right up. Gee, thanks I guess. The sleep would have been nice. I only have so much cum for you dear and it's starting to hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:41 PM
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why is that the case? are you an ad for a politician like your username says? Why does their flair have anything to do with what they are saying? Are you trying to suggest that this persons truth or merit is less because of the flair or something because that just sounds pretty silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:40 PM
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they saw chads headlights and stopped in the middle of the road, got plowed. then fawned over him repeatedly, magic bullet in hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:35 PM
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no i doubt that sincerely. women tend to know if they got a good one and treat them accordingly. This is due to inherent power differences. I saw nothing but better and better treatment from women the more successful I got. Much more respect, much more lust & desire. I feel like those with money and power were treated very well by their wives. We forget that men and women worked together for thousands of years. I'd wager men with money and power would be more likely to treat their wives better a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:33 PM
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But they objectively do want a slut in the bedroom. Women want a boy toy too (well secure women who enjoy intimacy at least).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:59 PM
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We will await progress on this issue. For now, just get muscular and then women will suddenly want your semen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:40 PM
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The red pill is what to do? Like i don't get it. you disregarded the entire red pill which objectively is what to do about it and then say there isn't anything to about it and discussions are meaningless. It sounds like you just dont have a concept of what the pills even are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:24 PM
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These aren't held up by statistics, thats the issue. Those are non arguments often. Women actually get paid more per hour in similar fields in most working class jobs. They also graduate college/university at twice the rate men do. There's like thousands of statistics which flip the narrative. i've been sexually assaulted by women several times. The world acts like you cannot sexually assault men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 11:54 PM
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not really true. valuing purity as a trait is reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:05 AM
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No it's not misandrist or mysogynist for men to have a preference for purity in women. men care a lot about paternity certainty, and this manifests in looking for purity. also objectively studies show there to be a relationship between purity and relationship success rates. So its just rational and reasonable to want women who are more pure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:46 PM
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here That is from OK cupid cofounders book, dataclysm. It shows men receive virtually zero messages below realistically the top 10-15 percentile. It's objectively worse than the 80-20 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:42 PM
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hmm. unsure about that. sex is the number one most important thing for men in a relationship, and I think any rational thinker will come to the conclusion that she should have a good time too. It's called being a gentleman. Im confident most men would want to optimize for sex quantity and sex quality. Most people are good people too. Like i cannot honestly imagine any one of my friends not wanting to completely satisfy their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:37 PM
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why do you think that? by being red pilled they know what to look for in a partner. being more physically attractive is just one part of the red pill dude. Whats expected from men and women is another.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 04:05 PM
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I feel that most good men want their partner to enjoy sex. im not really sure I see the rationale here. One person having that opinion doesn't mean much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 03:49 PM
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Not quite a good interpretation. Mens messages received demonstrate that men in the bottom entire 80 percentile virtually receive no messages. realistically it wasnt until the top 10 percentile would they start receiving messages. You are correct attractive women got the most messages received. Every man messaged them. This doesn't discount that the entire 80% of men get no messages. They're just different things. The difference is men showed interest linearly as women became more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:00 AM
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shotgun approach. Just ask the whole table
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:53 PM
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Not true regarding 5'8. You can actually good the data yourself. Google 'number of male competitors by height' At 6'3 you have on average 0.5 other competitors. At 5'8 its like 12. so like 20x+ harder than for you. And this is like just objectively measured. you can argue all the when how why - but its just how it shows up when you control for height. Height is really really important - you are just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:52 PM
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Well historically polygamy was illegal, that's a good start. We are become a polygamous society. Women would in fact prefer to be plowed by chad, even if they have to share.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:46 PM
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It's like peak red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:43 PM
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But they are. Google messages received by attractiveness percentile. The data literally shows women are only engaging with a few percentile of men. It's been measured. Visible. Known. How is this hard for you? You are arguing against the data or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:39 PM
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google male competitors by height messages received by attractiveness threshhold He says he did a tinder experiment, recall WHO IS SAYING THIS - THE GUY WHO FUCKING OWNS TINDER LOL. That blog post was from the cofounder of OK cupid who has internal access to tinders own database. Because he owns tinder (matchgroup).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:38 PM
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There are some psychology answers to your question. Honestly, I feel its a mix of many things. Men tend not to compete indirectly. They tend to be overt, aggressive, and out in the open. As an analogy, consider an arm wrestler. He could be the absolute best arm wrestler in the world, but have a beer and pizza stained ratty shirt. Men are like this. They like to get really really good at whatever their motivation in life is. So a male model will develop their body to a very unhealthy standard, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:01 PM
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studies show that women feel the 'ick' when men do not conform to gender stereotypes, they didn't find the same when they measured mens brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:46 PM
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60% of relationships start on OLD, its the most common way people meet now. it also shows behavior without virtue singalling. please read the cofounders of okcupids work in his book dataclysm. It's actually more authentic data as it shows who women select for when no one is watching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:45 PM
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Yes it is part of the social heirarchy, because how you fit relative to others dictates where you are in every day social interactions. You are taking it too literally - like do you consider the social heirarchy being financial wealth or something? Like its part of it and this is my point. You have a very limited view of what constitutes social heirarchy. But for instance take a group of people and they form heirachies and behave in ways that conform to the social heirarchy. Physical attractiven…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:43 PM
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no you invented all of that in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:41 PM
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do you just project your feelings as facts or something? Men wanting access to sex and especially sexless men wanting sex says nothing about the other things those men want. You are assuming some narrative about these individuals intentions and it's pretty gross of you to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:09 PM
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That is never considered because he is chad, and has the halo effect. I went from 0 dates in 5 years to sending a kiss emoji and a coffee emoji and girls saying yes immediately. Prior girls would make me talk to them via IM for like a month just to ghost me. The dread of missing chad is too great for them to care about personal safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:06 PM
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my point is that being chad makes it so you don't have to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:53 PM
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I found that when they invite you over for a dinner date 2, because you are the 'it' guy for them, they just want to fuck YOU instead. Without fail. Why even ask women out on dates? just become chad and then they do everything in their power to cook you dinner and fuck you just for attending.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:44 PM
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It's womens natural state to mate up and across social heirarchies. There are many attributes that contribute to ones standing in a social hierarchy. This is where your confusion lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:33 PM
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you're like trying to say that because they 'stopped halfway' they aren't red pilled? The guys women are going for are following all three red pill pillars. Seem pretty red to me? Are you just unwilling to admit that women are attracted to red pilled men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:15 PM
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I got asked out by 5 girls in grade 7. I stopped being the bully and joined the nerds because they were cooler. Invisible. Kinda funny when I look back at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:12 PM
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not possible. if you are red pilled you understand how attraction works. it's hard to not become attractive after you know. lol most people here who are red pilled have partners, because it works. i watched like 2/3 of my cohort of guys i grew up with get red pilled and get a girl. you are so out of touch hahaha women are all dating red pill men. thats whats happened. and you dont even notice it because you think chad is not red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:32 PM
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are you even aware of what the red pill is? that sounds like a really naive take. it sounds like you took the rage bait from a few bad apples and called it the red pill lol. the red pill teaches stoicism and what are good fatherly behaviors too. Teaches how to be a good man. What a good man even is. One of the core principles of the red pill is optimism and things are in your control, emotional regulation, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:28 PM
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No I rejected her ass after I became chad and she threw herself at me after 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:21 PM
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primal attraction is non-negotiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:21 PM
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Look up the hypergamy-assosiative mating cycle. (or hypergamy-assortative, or there is a third word for it too...) Basically women start out by trying to satisfy their hypergamy. They monkey branch, they look for better. When their environment fails to satisfy them then they settle for assortative mating - their relative equal. But they wont pick less. This cycle of mating demonstrates that women will go for the best male they can but give up that pursuit but never compromise. Thus as a man it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:19 PM
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bitterness is black pill, not red.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:16 PM
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I feel like people forgot that this is the internet and there are many trolls. Applying the behaviors of one person to an entire group also isn't very reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:15 PM
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Most red pill are with someone. It teaches men how to be good partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:04 PM
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I'm like the guy screaming about Jesus in the tourist area of town.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:56 PM
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People often ask for studies when they actually just dont agree, and all the studies in the world wouldn't convince them otherwise. Its usually the really naive people who think they can have no argument other than their opinion who ask for studies. Much of this stuff can just be googled. And most of the time the opinion of the person asking for the study could just look it up themselves. It's just a way to avoid personal accountability as if this was a IEEE or proper educational citation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:55 PM
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then you do not understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:36 PM
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Beautification is just the way women compete. Which is often in indirect ways. Beautification for men is competing with women in the way women compete. It shows social awareness and directly appeals to hypergamy. You raise the bar and that is attractive. It shows discipline, commitment, ability to do hard things. Demonstrates them at a glance. Beautification for men is very important.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:39 PM
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chemistry is just mutual attraction, highly SMV based and personality can be learned/taught.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:31 PM
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We have a lot of very very insecure women. And insecurities spread like mad on platforms like instagram and tik tok. There is a tremendous amount of propaganda being spread and it leads to highly codependent and deeply insecure men and women. Our society raises women up but pulls the ladder up for men and tells them to pick themselves up by their bootstraps. It's an unfortunately sad reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:00 PM
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Ambition and the compounding results of it are measurably very attractive male traits. This is objective when we look at the qualities of men women select for either short or long term mating. These men aren't seen as 'men' as they do not conform to gender norms of building themselves up. They also haven't been taught that is their objective because they had poor / weak / missing fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:50 PM
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There is some credence to it. Read the necessities and luxuries model by normal li. We have plenty of social science research which looks at the attributes and traits that each gender looks for when selecting long term or short term mates. One attribute is a looks threshhold. Men and women have different minimum threshholds when selecting between long and short term mates. Measured, men must cross a looks threshold before any other attribute matters. Statistically - across women mate. How attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:42 PM
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If you have good social awareness (given either through experience, your father, dating coaches, friends and family, school, self reflection) the act of flirting is pretty natural. Really, it's about being authentic and looking for reciprocation (a desire to connect) from the other person. Reading the room and acting appropriate for the current mood. Instead of learning pick up lines it would be more productive to learn the types of flirting, and the social interactions acceptable during all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:28 PM
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This is all part of the game red pill pillar.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:08 PM
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well there are a lot of things people believe are subjective, but we have objective measurements. One is example is what is and is not attractive. We would like to think attraction is subjective, but we can still measure what is and is not attractive across our population. What feels subjective to an individual is actually objective across the population. You also haven't dated women, so he is kind of right because what worked for you or what you think works isn't neccesarilly true - because aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 07:37 PM
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Well - was everything wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 07:28 PM
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okay some people may learn it from experience. there are a lot of circumstances where people do not learn something (poverty comes to mind, any sort of trauma). It may be common sense, to some. Not others. the advice can still be common sense and red pill advice. You basically advocate for all three pillars, looks status and game. Do you feel a good career is a good idea too? like honestly just call yourself what you are lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:41 PM
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I just don't understand how you are blue if you hit like most of the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:39 AM
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what do you think composes something to offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:36 PM
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And what is that meant to say? its still true so??
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:23 PM
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red pill was traditionally looks status game. You are applying PUA tactics to the manosphere which i don't really feel is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 12:37 PM
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basically a little bit of childhood trauma, and not a lot of life experience, you become revolting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 12:35 PM
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okay lillith let me explain this to you. You keep ranting about nice guys... i keep seeing it. its annoying because you dont get it. nice guy behaviors, not "nice guys" give women the ick. In your psychology there is a mechanism that makes you feel repulsed. That feeling of ickiness, you get when men display nice guy behavior. I feel like you confuse "nice" and "nice guy". They mean two very very different things. Please - learn for once!!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 07:12 AM
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arranged marriages are statistically more successful than non arranged marriages however. So like across the board they are better for success rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 07:05 AM
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You can read Brene Browns work on vulnerability and men. The common narrative of 'be vulnerable' just isn't reflected in reality. It's a nice form of virtue signalling. We wish we worked like that. But we don't, and this has been measured. Here’s the painful pattern that emerged from my research with men: We ask them to be vulnerable, we beg them to let us in, and we plead with them to tell us when they’re afraid, but the truth is that most women can’t stomach it. In those moments when real vuln…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:25 PM
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The average age gap by the time women have children is 7 years, measured through DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 08:02 PM
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I feel you are taking an overly thin definition of leadership. Leadership is also facilitation of many aspects of relationship dynamics. This is planning dates, creating engaging social interactions, growing and teaching new skills, building your island. Leaders do not only make decisions. They facilitate meaningful interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 06:55 PM
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Yes - a form of indirect competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 06:03 PM
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can you tell me about what you think a nice guy even is?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:00 PM
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While thats all true, you also need to take into account the differences between men and women here. Women do not engage the entire bottom ~85-90 percentile of men in conversation. Men however do engage the bottom 85-90 percentile of women - linearly according to how attractive they are. Just because men also message hot women a lot does not mean that men and women behave the same at the rest of the attractiveness percentiles, and unfortunately for most men, that is what they perceive. So it's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:19 PM
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you are giving red pill advice. All three pillars basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:24 PM
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sounds like you ignoring how things already are and relying on what you have been conditioned to believe. Read the book propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:03 PM
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this already happens lol even the subway owner is plowing poon as he has 5 immigrant slaves making sub sandwhiches for white people. probably takes some of the lady employees out for a spin as they try to get their yearly raises.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:01 PM
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I explained it in an earlier comment, please re read them. They grow up with no genuine concept or understanding of real women. And neither did your father. If he understood what I just wrote none of this would have happened. He is a product of his environment (not understanding true womens behavior) and now all the women in his life hate him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:16 PM
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Put yourself in his shoes. He is just as on autopilot as you are. No one teaches this shit (well, now they do, and it's called the red pill). Has a first wife, with kids, and then finds himself complete undesired. Sticks around for a long time. Doesn't know why he is undesired (hint: emasculation succeeded). He wasn't taught that women naturally emasculate men as part of their behavior. They always try. They feel unsafe with men who are emasculated, and they act out. Always shit testing. Your fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:13 PM
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From your description, he is sounding more and more like a victim. So your father failed to perform whats called 'containment' and enforce good boundaries. That is one of the symptoms of being a 'nice guy'. If he wasn't a strong looker he would have been an incel. Your father failed to enforce good boundaries. This is a concept called holding masculine frame and is needed for men to perform containment of the feminine. These women acted out because your dad let them. He let your mom abuse him in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:03 PM
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Yes you go from being completely invisible to women literally throwing themselves at you. Every interaction with every woman you meet is infinitely better. Their tone, their engagement, their body language. You are totally right that once you know, well, you know. It's one of the harshest truths of human behavior. Once you become 'that one guy' women compete mercilessly. It's almost comedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:51 PM
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You said you don't want apples, why did you say you didn't want apples when you actually do not like oranges?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:49 PM
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It is mens responsibility to perform what is called 'containment'. If men fail to learn the skills to provide containment (no father figure, no siblings, limited social skills), then they will simply not be very attractive. Women will test for containment early and often in relationships. Until the end of the relationship. If you let them break containment they lose attraction. This is how women go from "i love you" multiples times a day to instantly exploding in emotional outbursts. If you let …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:36 PM
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If your dad cheated, your mom put him in a sexless relationship. There's a great book called the care and feeding of husbands which talks about it in great detail. Overall women are responsible for the health of the relationship. Men usually stick it out as long as they can. Your moms turned you against your dad after she ruined the relationship. She did it to save face and her social standing post divorce. Your dad was just there and chill all along, now with a better woman than your mom was. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:18 PM
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why is it wild? Women always say they dont want to be objectified. But then when you date them they love being objectified. "not wanting to be with someone who only wants you for sex" is not the same "not be objectified". It's wild that you even think this way. Women respond very positively to eroticism. They say they don't but the fMRI scans do not lie. Their brains love them being treated like a cum dumpster. They don't like the social aspects of it and feel differently about it when they refl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:15 PM
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Hey so I went from 0 coffee dates over years to like every single woman inviting me over and wanting to get plowed. Being attractive really really works. I spent years sending clever responses to prompts, trying to have good conversations. I just got ghosted. When I became chad I could literally send a kiss emoji and we'd be fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:11 PM
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Women often emotionally abuse their partners in this way. It's a way for them to gaslight their husbands, and shift blame onto them and make themselves the victim. You do not get to forego your vows because you had children. These wives failed to uphold their vows and got the expected result. Your mom likely put your father in a dead bedroom. Held him hostage. Turned his children against him. All because she wouldn't invest energy into HIM. He has lived his entire life with this unfair dynamic a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:09 PM
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"you have no idea" "you are projecting" While refusing to acknowledge like actual studied and verified facts that contradict your views is literally you projecting
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:44 PM
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the spark is just the word for the complex set of emotions - lust, desire, dread. If you know how to invoke these emotions you get the expected result. We are animals. Women like to get plowed by chad. Why? chad gets them wet and drippy drippy. If you aren't chad you aren't gonna make them drippy drippy. Therefore they will be less likely to let you plow them. Become chad and plow the poon, so that more women have more orgasms everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:42 PM
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I feel that a lot of people mistake the projection of struggling men as their intent when they bring up these topics. It comes across as an attack but really these men are just projecting frustration. Their words get translated into 'unfair'. Often that's not even the intent, but a convenient way to discredit their hardship or their views. Why? it's tough to accept that what they are saying is right and challenges people's views on how we date. It's also tough to hear someone else's issues and g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:01 PM
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You missed the plot. That is the wrong question to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:25 PM
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Gottman actually says the opposite. You do not need to have shared interests at all. You need shared values. Not interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 11:20 AM
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tldr: no one dates fatties
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 09:29 AM
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this is the antithesis of red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 10:39 PM
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okay but we are discussing the findings, not what is a better format for a given individual. So you changed the topic to something random that I do not care to discuss
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:06 PM
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It being bland also doesn't change the actual contents or validity of the data. So its a nice anecdote but not really something I am interested in discussing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:38 AM
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Irony? The statistics actually show that women will only send messages to the top 10 percentile of men, demonstrated above. This is what the cofounder of OKCupid found and he put it into his book Dataclysm: who we are when no one is looking. It's very clear that men below the 80th percentile get 0. The men below 90's effectively get 0, statistically their messages received are 0. They're so low. Women just are not willing to date the quality of men their fathers were. This is demonstrated by the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:35 PM
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hmm. is audiobook really the best format for this book? it's all visualisations. Do you get a PDF too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:32 PM
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instead of making a comment you could have literally googled the hinge's demographics. Instead you made a comment that only succeeds in posturing (as if me providing it or not changes the facts) and instead makes you look like an idiot because its so easy to see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:31 PM
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Literally my MO here on this sub. Just ask blue pillers questions until they say they are 3/3 pillar red pilled. They're red pilled and they dont even know it. Because their rolemodels were red pilled. Or their chain of fathers were red pilled through life experience and tradition.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:25 AM
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women also date multiple men at once, so its quite a bit different. They're more picky so go through more candidates too. So i think your model is too simplistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:22 AM
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That's a good point. Very much a red pill take. You are suggesting they self improve their treatment of women which is red. Why are you no pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:21 AM
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Yes but it's not as skewed as you alluded to. My point is that I had no coffee dates in 6 years, got muscular & updated my photos and had 8 first dates with 8 different women within 2 weeks of updating my photos. It's all about attractiveness threshholds. If you are below a threshhold women will literally not engage with you. if you are above it you get them in droves. The founder of OK cupid found it's like 90th percentile in his book Dataclysm. It was also my lived experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:18 AM
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yes but they engage with lesser women, which women do not do with lesser men. They just all try to message attractive women too. Basically less attractive women still get talked to by men, most men do not get talked to by anyone. I couldn't even get a girl on a date for 6 years till i got fit and muscular. 8 dates in 2 weeks with 8 diff women. Was there the whole time, updated my photos and boom. In came in the bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:15 AM
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That is not the same pattern. One is an exponential increase, effectively being 0 up to 90 percentile, and the other is a linear progression. Did you fail highschool mathematics? This is messages received, which means someone has to send them. women do not send messages to men < 90 percentile. Its what it shows. Your take is pure delusion. The data is right there, just accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:41 PM
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she literally said status matters and a man who does construction isn't high enough status. When you listen to women they just tell you the red pill in their own words
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:24 PM
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Here That is from the book Dataclysm - who we are when no one is looking. Written by the cofounder of OK cupid. Men always message hot girls, but they are actually fair and show interest linearly as women become more attractive. So you are right that hot girls get a lot of interest. Women however will not engage in any way with <90 percentile men. Theres some engagement at ~80percentile, but realistically women will only converse with the top men. It's that bad. Basically if you arent 90percenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:09 PM
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are you too good for a construction worker? Anger issues aside - as you aren't even talking to these men to suss out any anger issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:07 PM
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its 60-40 for hinge so your take is just stupid. You were led to believe its skewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:06 PM
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Women mature faster and then get more out of school / interactions. Boys get further behind because their brains are less developed. The advantage women have is compounded over the years. For instance university admission rates is like 2 girls for every 1 boy these days. This is a worse ratio than at the height of the feminist movement to educate women in universities. Men NOW have it worse than women did then - which is a shocking fact that our society likes to sweep under the rug. And unfortun…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:20 PM
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you are like 400lb you would take a sheep because it has a vagina
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:17 PM
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The data shows women literally wont even message men in the bottom 90 percentile. It has nothing to do with men swiping, and everything to do with women literally NOT engaging with men at their fathers level.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:16 PM
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The shameful part is sharing it with a bunch of different men. That's gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:12 PM
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There's actually a trick. you pull out just before you blow, but cum anyway, you can pull out, go no stimulation, cum, and then stay rock hard. this lets you cum twice. I've found girls love it too, because you cum on them, then go back to fucking them, and the eroticism just pushes them over the edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:11 PM
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it's not even stereotypes - its biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 06:45 PM
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ok thats from a gpt bot
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 02:35 AM
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Honestly a lot of it is getting past the idea that women don't want sex because, especially younger, it's such a taboo topic. That enough puts like the majority of men out of the running. They never even get to flirting, because the idea that they would be wanted is so foreign to them. So the girls are sitting there going "i want to fuck this guys brains out" and the guys are just like "DO YOU LIKE THE AVENGERS?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 10:33 PM
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no i said straight facts. It makes you feel like i made his POV irrelevant because the truth is different from his views. it's measured so like - what he thinks doesnt even matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:34 PM
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Was commenting specifically at >Hell, she's potentially putting out live-action porn that I can confirm isn't made from abuse Shes fo da streets
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 07:42 PM
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It lowers her value from a mans POV. She's worth less because everyone gets her. It would also be super embarassing if people in a mans life could see his partner. It's just an uncomfortable icky feeling all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 01:09 AM
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its low value behavior. It gives men the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:25 PM
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Yes and a lot of women have vitriol against men. A lot of what they say isn't even wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 10:08 PM
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>It'd be hard finding someone who I share an intellectual connection with who will also respect my space and not have a bunch of expectations from both him and his family placed on me That is your BPD making you feel not good enough. You invented this in your mind, by interpreting things he said to putting expectations on you. BPD has a 30% remission rate after 1 year of treatment. near 95% after 10. If you put in the work it is easily fixable. All it is, is self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:59 AM
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Power dynamics. Don't say more than you need to. Men let women think they have power.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 04:23 PM
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Hmm I see where you are coming from. I agree with it to an extent There are good women out there. I think what the red pill men say is that they are hard to find. Also, I think the red pill men complaining about not getting women just can't get anyone at all, let alone find a unicorn. Even in my large city it took years (6) to even get a coffee date with a girl. How would I find a unicorn? However when I did, I had 8 dates with 8 different women within a 2 week period (Changed my physique and a …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 01:02 PM
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Rules 1 and 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 04:24 PM
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id break up with her. not gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:24 AM
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No, because you compete in a way that aligns with their perceived mens beauty standards. It's social awareness. If you dress gay you will select for a subset of women who value that. It's a form of peacocking. It makes you really attractive to a niche. Also I think that niche is really small. Saw a study where women overwhelmingly refused to date men who have had sex with a male before.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:48 PM
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They aren't equal. There is a plethora of social science research that objectively states otherwise. We have society equality, or strive for it at least. But we are not equals. It's not about being the same, it's about understanding our differences and treating each others strengths and weaknesses with respect. Masculine men understand this dynamic, and provide containment. A safe harbor the feminine. If you understand this dynamic you will see it everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:54 AM
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There is nothing creepy about finding others attractive. It's just normal human behavior. We like attractive people. That's why we have them parade themselves on the stage, television, and in your hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:46 AM
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this is why prettying yourself up as a man and learning the red pill is so attractive. You learn how to compete socially in the ways women compete, appealing to their hypergamy and making them feel safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 05:40 AM
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men look like women or are overweight. Gender conformance really matters and you cannot beat physical attraction. It's raw, unfiltered. Men need to work on their bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:56 AM
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pick up is just like a small portion of the game pillar. How do you attribute a small part to the whole? Being able to flirt is attractive, more news at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:48 AM
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Just google the hypermay assortative mating cycle. it's simple - women try to appeal to their hypergamy, and settle assortatively when their environment cannot satisfy their hypergamy. This transition takes time. Some women settle early, others double down. The measurement of people generally marry'ing their equals is at the finish line. When it comes to the experience while dating men experience womens natural hypergamy. Then we look at the finish like and try to say that hypergamy doesnt exist…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 02:43 PM
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As a red pill man (please correct me if I am wrong, I am just going by your flair), do you find that the ways in which the red pill puts the responsibility on men to be a negative sometimes? Depends on your outlook. There are things that are in our control and things that are not. If you go to age old teachings of say marcus aurelius, the first step would be acceptance. There are truths to our society and the people in it that are out of our control, and the other thing that is in our control is…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:09 AM
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And again here you are, putting it all on men, when YOU were the common denominator among all of those failed relationships where YOU got left. No accountability, just as the red pill says. You have a boyfriend, you aren't married. He may just be more of a nice guy and have fewer boundaries / standards than your previous partners. And you say 'luck' - that's a joke. If you were wife material any one of those previous guys would have put a ring on it. Another way to skirt any and all accountabili…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:40 PM
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This is how dating works. Women choose first, and men choose to stick around. If you have a common experience of men dropping your ass after a few months, then you likely have issues you need to work on. From a strong anxious attachment, to codependency, to BPD or another class B disorder. Good men will hold onto a good woman because they too have had struggles. Just the reality of how dating works. Men choose to stick around. If they are not choosing to stick around, you aren't good enough, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:27 PM
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Lots of these women speak English.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:24 PM
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The red pill actually puts it all on men in the form of mens self improvement. People complain and say womens standards are too high. The red pill solution is to improve in the three pillars of looks, status, game, because womens behavior is not in your control. This part is left out, and you just say its men putting it on women. When the entire red pill is about men raising themselves up. It makes your assessment grossly unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:21 PM
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You say its fine. The data shows men who are bald have a hard time in the dating market. Stop gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 02:11 PM
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That's literally the looks based red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 01:12 PM
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Where do you sit in terms of pills? Because that's like looks based red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 11:36 PM
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Yes that is true, it is considered an advantage and out in plain sight. However what you are doing is what is called the appeal to common sense fallacy. Just because it is common sense 1) does not mean that everyone knows it, and two, it doesn't discount the idea itself. So you haven't said anything at all. You haven't discounted the idea, you just what, don't want to hear it? You basically said nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:25 PM
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you are basically using the appeal to common sense fallacy to say its not red pill? Yes these ideas existed before blue or red pills. And yes there may be a crossover between a blue and red pill idea. But that does NOT mean that the red pill is BP remarketed. One crossover point does not equate what you are saying, and such a statement is categorically false. The blue pill ultimately is be yourself and love will come. The red pill is an optimistic mindset that says there are three pillars of att…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:28 PM
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The number of single child bearing aged men that has been measured and proven TODAY begs to differ. You are trying to insinuate its not relevant and due to males dying off to war or disease, except, we can see it happening TODAY and at even LARGER percentages (65% of males aged 18-35 are single)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:24 PM
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The study i referenced is over human history, through DNA analysis. Are you trying to insinuate it is not relevant to today? when measurably and demonstrably 65% of men aged 18-35 are single. Basically worse than evolution even measured?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:22 PM
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why do you assume that there is 400 million women sleeping with them? 60% of men failed to reproduce over history. 90% of women succeded. They weren't fucking the bottom 60% so it's likely <150million women - if that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:02 AM
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The study directly stated it was to maintain status as the status was threatened by a lower value males initiation. You are actually just wrong. After being rejected by the attractive man, women were more likely to reject the less attractive man, and they did so more harshly. The researchers suggested this was a status-protective behavior: being approached by someone perceived as lower value after a blow to self-esteem (like being rejected) may feel insulting or threatening to social standing. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 12:09 AM
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Recall the topic is this Women more prone to express disgust and take offense when a guy perceived as "below their league" shows any kind of interest If there is no low value male approaching there is no offensive rejection. What are you even talking about? Either way its to maintain her status and to signal to all other men she is higher value. This is what the study directly said. You are trying to argue she is insulted in the rejection case but not the approach case. She is more likely insult…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:57 PM
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This has been measured. What I said is what psychologists found when they had a woman get rejected by a higher value male, and then approached by a lower value male. They found women were significantly more likely to reject the lower value male. They also found that the severity of their rejection was increased. It's counter intuitive. Logically as a man you would think she would be more likely, but that is not true. It's to maintain status. Because to be considered in the league of a lower valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:47 PM
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I would change this a bit. It's more about maintaining status. Women will reject a low value male in more hurtful ways to virtue signal to everyone else that she is higher value. It's because they feel attacked because they are at risk of losing their status. Women tie a very strong emotional bond to the status of their partner. They want to look like they are high value compared to everyone around them and this appeals to their form of indirect competition. It's not so much about telling the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:23 PM
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More men are needed in education. I know two male teachers who are still single at 35, despite being surrounded by women and good enough social skill wise to care for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:42 PM
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its mostly based in science, the illness is people who dont acknowledge the science (red pill)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:26 PM
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I've heard women say that 'LOST MY PRIME' because they didn't really understand these dating dynamics younger and lost their best years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:25 PM
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i dunno i had a doctor call me autistic and then I just learned how all the normal interactions work and it all worked out for me. You are autistic because you do not conform to what they think behavior should be. You can just learn skills on all of those things and choose to behave in the same way, or the expected way. You are literally just smarter than everyone and see how garbage it all is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:39 AM
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Okay so then your comment about 'not fully formed' is just some bs?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:11 PM
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It's not about 'proving' women are just as shallow as men, it's about educating men regarding womens behavior so that they can make good choices to improve their future outcomes. In fact, red pill itself USED to strongly discourage debating with people - which is part of what DGAF and “keeping frame” means Not true. You are applying male:female dynamics to conversations about the red pill. Totally misappropriating the guidance to something unrelated. I spend my time raising men up, by educating …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:29 PM
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Let's not go there. I see you must be early 20s to think I meant anything <18 (and are projecting that in your response). For context I agree that its important that men and women be on similar levels of emotional intelligence. Men typically develop later so its actually really natural for them to be older. This helps make the relationship work for a wide variety of reasons - one of them being hypergamy. Women also seek out older males in general. From my perspective as a mid thirties male who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:09 PM
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Women are never truthful. Psychologists have measured the body proportions that are most attractive. V chest frame, broad shoulders, the T jaw, hunter eyes. V > trapezoid > ... it goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:07 PM
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Yes well the red pill is literally self improvement, no thinking about it. The more apt analogy is womens wiccah.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:04 PM
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Except the red pill is about self improvement in the areas of looks, status, and game.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:00 PM
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Yes its an unfortunate reality that has allowed the red pill to be contorted into something it isn't really. Individuals who apparently speak for the red pill are taken as red pill ideas, when really they were just naive, bitter, angry black pillers. The confusion just adds to the difficulty of having these conversations. I hear you on amuse and amplify, the dgaf. Those are just small teachings of the red pill as it regards to seduction - aligning with be a rock and unaffected (testing your fath…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:50 PM
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'fully formed' LOL, you mean borderline BPD, anxious and avoidant, entitled, overly high standards for what they bring to the table. IMO that's not fully formed, that's like buying a used busted up piece of furniture from facebook marketplace for double the going retail price. Rather than getting the latest model which needs a coat of paint on it, you sign yourself up for a tremendous amount of work restoring what used to be great and you pay out the ass for it. Just get the ikea one that assemb…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:39 PM
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imo it's non red pillers who dismiss the red pill under the basis of identity politics. It's just a convenient way to dismiss the red pill under the basis that there are self identified "red pillers" who say misogynistic things. However the red pill is and always be a self improvement mindset, and a positive mindset at that. It's about improving the three pillars of looks, status, and game. These things in your control, be the best you can be in these areas, and you will succeed. A lot of the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:47 PM
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Please point to where and how my reply was 'aggy'. Directness is not 'aggy' because the truth behind the words makes you feel hurt. I never said what you wrote was illegible or inarticulate. That is putting words in my mouth (more posturing). What I actually did was call out your fallacious statements which served no purpose (of which you still have not addressed, and have instead attempted to change the topic to be about 'aggy' and making up things I said) Embarrassing...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:33 PM
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What's with making assumptions? There is no butt hurt, this is a strategy you are using to posture and is not related to the discussion. First you dismissed under the guise that both genders show the ick True, but men display icks wrt women for other things. Men and women are different and so forth and so on lol Now you describe the dynamic why I just think their compulsive libido makes them betray their standards more. You are all over the place and I am correctly pointing it out. First off, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:58 PM
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so what is your point? that it works as I said except you think there is a different reason why men behave differently from women? Like what are you even saying...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:16 PM
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Sure, though that's not really relevant because in the case of conforming to gender norms this is a behavior exclusive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:05 PM
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65% of the time women were measured to have the ick when men displayed non gender conforming behavior. Men did not do this. Sorry blue pilled incels, but, you need to actually BE A FUCKING MAN to be attractive. Your mom was wrong, get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:44 PM
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High degree of codependency, anxious attachment, and avoidance. It makes many leftover women completely undateable. They have higher standards due to more experience (and more hurt), but are low quality themselves due to the aforementioned traits that come with 'baggage'. Men want a few things. They want a good sex life. They want peace. That's pretty much it. These women lack the self awareness to identify and correct these negative behaviors and insecurities, then put it all on their male part…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:28 PM
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So why are you blue pilled then? That sounds like a super red pill take. The blue pill in this case would be these men should continue living as is, and the right person would come. You are suggesting change which insinuates that the person is not good enough (red pill), and are too black pilled (whiny, hopeless). If I may ask, why do you consider yourself 'blue'? The red pill recommends men do self improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 11:23 PM
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You say you're against manipulation, but you're describing manipulative behavior yourself. Saying you'll choose your friends the moment your partner expresses discomfort isn't setting a boundary, it's issuing your own ultimatum. You're framing any request for change or compromise as control, while making it clear you're unwilling to adapt in any way. That's not mutual respect, it's defiance dressed up as principle. You also claim your partner comes first, but actions speak louder than words. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 11:07 PM
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You say your lifestyle is stable and intentional, but your example shows otherwise. Going out drinking with male friends until 4am while your partner is home asleep does not reflect strong boundaries or respect within a relationship. You framed it as normal and justified it with being a working mother who deserves a break, but responsibility does not disappear because you're busy. In fact, limited free time makes how you use it even more telling. You chose late-night drinking with other men over…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:24 PM
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It's the cat and mouse game. Women emasculate as a test, men either pass or fail. Women choose to settle for an emasculated rat that pays their bills or they find chad who won't be emasculated. But when a masculine man holds his masculinity and does not become emasculated, she has no recourse other than to be feminine. It's just biology. She will fight, lose repeatedly, and then go "wait i cant win because hes right" and be her happy bubbly self. This is the art of containment. Masculinity provi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:10 PM
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Your situation works for you, and that’s great, but it’s not a universal model. You’re framing any boundary around opposite-sex one-on-ones as rooted in insecurity or control, but that’s not fair or accurate. For many people, it’s simply about minimizing unnecessary risk and emotional strain. Just because your partner is comfortable with you being out until 4am with male friends doesn’t mean everyone should be, or that it’s a sign of emotional maturity if they are. Trust isn’t just about blind f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:56 PM
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They are happier because they have avoided the difficulty of having to actually be self aware and correct the poor behaviors and personality traits that have kept them single. Basically they are happier because they avoid conflict and avoid change, but it stunts them. One reason why the red pill is so effective is it forces men to confront these issues with themselves and correct them. MGTOW and women doing the same is just avoidance. Part of a 'green' personality who hates change, avoids confli…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:06 PM
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Lots of assumptions in that. So for context, my partner and I both feel that 1:1's with the other gender is wrong. She is socially aware enough to know that her orbiters just wanted to fuck her, and I am socially aware enough to know that if a woman is in your vicinity and makes attempts to stay in your vicinity that she just wants to steal you. You can have a support system and not go on 1:1 dates with other men. It isnt controlling, because there is no ultimatum. We have chosen that this is be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:47 PM
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Because why would you want your partner to feel uncomfortable in the first place? It's just a respectful decision because people do have these feelings, do get insecure, and you as an individual can choose the relationship over your desire to have 1:1 time with the opposite gender. It's not about control. It's not about trust. It's about respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:38 PM
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Associating traditional gender norms with MAGA is just a sad attempt to dismiss those views by associating them with a controversial political movement. Its the same strategy employed by others who try to say the red pill is mysogynistic because Andrew tate says misogynistic things. My point was that you bringing up MAGA was embarrassing. And by only bringing up one difference, strength, you undersold just how different men and women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:01 PM
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You wouldn't have done shit, because you are wrong and just grasping at straws. The topic was body count matters, and it objectively does. 304's are for the streets. Just look at your demeanor. Why would someone like me date you? I earn a multi six figure salary, I have a nice traditional Ukranian girl who doesn't have your trauma or problems. You can't even be told data from a study without becoming an aggressive insecure wreck of a human being. Embarrassing behavior lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:51 PM
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Huh, the studies say exactly what I said and that it in fact matters. specifically this graph. Women are more adversely affected by partner count. And it objectively matters for maritial happiness and divorce rates. You not understanding the words in the studies does not make them wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:30 PM
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Actually, I stay on topic and disregard all attempts to change the topic as that is a form of social manipulation & argumentative fallacy. The topic was body count matters. And it does. I will not deviate from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:29 PM
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Yes they would. This is the easy path to learning where they stand and what they can get. It would remove a whole lot of confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:30 PM
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so strength is like the only one they say is different. Otherwise we say we are the same. Why are you involving maga into this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:28 PM
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So you just pick and choose to ignore things you dont like, got it. Typical woman :D
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:25 PM
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Yes and therein is the problem, our society tells us that we are the same. But our differences are well studied. So we are raising boys who treat girls like boys and interact with girls as if they are boys. They aren't given the tools to make good decisions. They aren't taught that women feel fear, anxiety, and all of these strong emotions. We've set our boys up to fail by falsely stating equality. Families do lie. Either through ignorance or love. Highly regional i'd bet. Eastern europeans fami…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:11 AM
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Provided plenty of studies. It does matter, objectively. If you can find objective data that says otherwise please provide them :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 12:57 AM
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Most men would prefer that rather than be lied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 12:56 AM
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Men are different creatures. We are both animals and each gender behaves in different ways. You are clinically insane if you think otherwise and you can actually just go google these differences. Gender differences are well studied. So what you take one fuckboy in your life and apply that to all men on the internet. Isn't that what I said what you were doing? Taking fuckboy behavior and applying it to incels here? Self awareness please? These studies are not bullshit, they're real, and they prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 11:05 PM
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Why would you ask women this. Ask men this. Womens primary concern is safety. They have traits high in agreeableness, which means the way they show up in the world in this context is that they prioritize their own safety over being authentic. They would rather tell you to your face that they want to be friends so that they do not face consequences in the moment (potentially physical, emotional) as a method to keep the peace. It's a way to let you down. When they say "sorry, you're not my type" o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 10:52 PM
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Why do you think that is not my goal? I told you I got one good one one and got out. You are making the assumption that is the goal for these men because these men desire sex, but these men aren't having any, so you are placing the blame of fuck boys on incels which is an insane take. It's actually clinically insane. You are also trying to put everything on me, stop writing paragraphs and google marriage happiness by partner count. There is a lot of research on this. Study Key Findings (Female F…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 10:39 PM
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Why are you saying if you are a man who thinks? What men think does not matter. There are studies on this. What people think and feel *does not matter in the slightest*. Body count matters, objectively, for longevity in relationships. The studies show that the affect is pronounced for women and not for men. Rather than writing comments about stuff you no nothing about, how about YOU LOOK IT UP: https://imgur.com/DnMjpl3 Women go from like 90% happiness at 0 partners to ~25% at 20+. It's a linear…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 08:53 PM
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Huge mental leaps there in your statement. For one, it's not "I think" - the studies literally prove marriage happiness is strongly correlated to body count in women specifically. Secondly, huge assumption "i want to ruin a lot of women" You are taking the woes of incels who just want to have access to sex and calling that "ruin a lot of women". These guys just want one girlfriend. You somehow take fuck boy behavior and apply that to men who want sex. In the future please think more critically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 04:11 PM
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The men complaining here are still on the journey. They haven't woken up yet. Any red pill guy knows how the world works, accepts it for what it is, and works to improve his life within the rules of the society he is in. The red pill is an optimistic mindset. You are mistaking doomers for the red pill. Doomer is black pill. They're black pilled not red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 04:04 PM
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dating apps are a great indicator of real life dating. It shows womens behavior without virtue signalling. They are actually authentic on the apps. The book datacylsm written by the co-founder of OkCupid demonstrates this. Womens standards go up to match what they can get on the app. You think they are different but they are highly interrelated. Women will compare any man IRL to what they can get on the app, end of story. Why? because they know what they can get on the app (or what they think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 04:00 PM
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it's changing the topic. The discussion is that women are hypergamous, and they are, until they learn their value and settle. That's what looking at the finish line means. How much more direct do you need me to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:45 AM
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They still behave in a hypergamous way until they learn their environment is not satisfying their hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:06 AM
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They'd still be displaying hypergamy while growing up. Thus they would come here and talk about it. It's not wrong because it's not all women, as they do all grow up eventually. It's still true from the perspective of males in the age before they grew up. And that portion of male experience matters. They're allowed to talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:45 AM
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I am not sure it matters, because some people who identify as red pill saying incorrect, even incoherent or baseless things is not really relevant to the discussion. That does not make the red pill wrong. Lots of what people talk about here is backed by social science research. The study of human behavior. It's not wrong because you don't like it or it makes you uncomfortable. And these certainly aren't wrong because other people said tangential and sometimes incorrect things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:15 AM
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two wrongs dont make a right. The mental gynastics you did to say men did it first and so women do not have accountability is an insane take. Both misandry and misogyny is wrong. At least here - women like to take facts of human behavior and specifically facts of their behavior and label it misogynistic - when thats not true because it's just stating an observation and the misogyny is assumed because the truth hurts. Its a classic case of 'what you said hurt me, so what you said is wrong, you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:42 PM
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Literally proven through hundreds of studies. Please google the hypergamy assortative mating cycle, read up, and come back to me!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:39 PM
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We are living in the same timeline, so your age almost doesn't matter. Most relationships NOW are started on the app, its like over 60% at this point. This means that as a man you are competing against whatever sperm donor these women can find on the app. You are expecting mom and pop shop treatment when amazon is doing sperm deliveries to all your neighbors.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:54 PM
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Those people grew up in a different era with different expectations. At 18 a girl can open tinder and fuck a 28 year old chad. Why would they date some loser who happened to go to their highschool? My girlfriends step mother is telling her daughter to go find a hockey player, she's 18. It's just how it is my man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:51 PM
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65% of men aren't anti social so it's a weak argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:50 PM
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Actually people do keep score, and one of the largest drivers of conflict in a relationship is when one person thinks X is worth Y and the other person thinks X is worth Z. There's actually plenty of research on this and its even gendered! Men tend to value difficult tasks with a lot of points, and women see those as 1 point. So men will say something like 'i painted the deck and the fence, and you wont even have sex with me'. They think the deck and the fence is 100 points and sex is 1 point, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:48 PM
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But you would still inherently expect some level of engagement from them for you to reciprocate, which makes every relationship inherently transactional. As soon as they stop putting in the effort, you complain or leave. It's transactional whether you like it or not, or want to feel otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:32 PM
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I am not telling you that you don't deserve dates. Women as a whole are telling you that you do not deserve dates. I am merely the messenger, so please redirect your anger from me. You should never had to have done this. Your father never had to, neither did his father, or his fathers father. It's women who are fucked up. Unfortunately this means that if you want to find love, you have to put in the work. Because average men are replaceable. You are whether you like it or not a market commodity.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:30 PM
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Yes that is why most men are checking out, and red pill men are succeeding. Nobody wants to, but you have to if you want to achieve your goals. It's how the game is played whether you choose to play it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:27 PM
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Re-read your post. You basically just said a goldfish has more empathy than you do But there is a -0 chance those men can legitimately claim "loneliness". How embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:26 PM
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This is the hypergamy-associative mating cycle. Lots of studies on it. Women start hypergamous, and end up associative when they find their environment cannot satisfy their hypergamy. It's wrong to look at marriage stats and say 'look women are not hypergamous!' because on average the end up with their equals. By doing so one would be forgetting the journey to finding their equals! It's like looking at the finish line and ignoring the entire race, with broken down cars, a few crashes, shortcuts …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:02 PM
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women like to show a version of themselves that you like, then they take that away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:14 AM
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There is nuance to communicating clearly and being direct. It sounds clear as day, but it's more ambiguous than you think. Gendered communication, etc. A book called surrounded by idiots details it pretty clearly for instance with red personalities, which men statistically are more likely to be. They basically need the ultimatum as a form of direct communication to begin with... If they are saying they are blindsided they believe it. Their truth isn't wrong. If the male partner is blowing them o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:11 AM
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If you do not mind me asking why do you believe what you believe? Poor experiences or ? On a side note I believe that this is heavily rooted in the process of emasculation. Women want the most commitment for the least amount of sex. If you give commitment willingly, they learn that your cost is low. So its important to set boundaries regarding what behaviors you are okay with in a relationship - and this means learning how to not be emasculated and learning how to have difficult conversations - …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 04:38 AM
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simple: it's codependent. A woman has a choice to be a leader, she chooses not to because that takes energy, then gets mad and goes her own way. She had the power of choice, and she chose exit whether she has the emotional fortitude to admit it or not. it is easy for her to place the blame solely on the man in an effort to protect her own ego and image of herself and her behavior, but she is just coping for her inability to be a leader and create proper boundaries. It's a huge red flag to me as …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:34 PM
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Yes, but observing the pattern does not mean that you are wholly responsible. This is a highly codependent pattern that is emotionally abusive to the male partner. We do not teach men the art of containment, because containment is anti feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:14 PM
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It's not about ultimatums, it's about clear communication. I have found through my relationships that women will for instance make one small comment about something they would like to change. Whether its scheduling more dates, or drinking less. They then withhold reinforcement and allow themselves to become more and more dysregulated until they explode. As a man who is balancing many different priorities with a challenging life, its often easy to overlook the severity of their initial comment. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:48 PM
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to clarify, and sorry for the double comments - I feel particularly engaged in this conversation: It is your job to show a girl what being in a relationship with you will be like. She chooses you (accepts your advance) - you show her the island you have built. She wants to visit your island and see what you got - including your rollercoaster if you have one :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:09 AM
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what do you mean wtf? these women marry men and fuck all the time. It's what couples do. The average for young couples is twice a week. Once a week for older couples. do you think they aren't gonna fuck men or something?! These are single women who are used to / want to fuck up to multiple times a week while in relationship. Do you think that just goes away when they are single or something?! Honestly lmao. no pill and blue pill people are clueless to human behavior. Watch for yourself (regardin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:54 AM
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My experience was sexual experiences on date 2 every time - after becoming red pilled and getting fit / muscular / having a good career / good social skills / good at flirting. Girls who say they are a prude, are not prudes. They want you to think they are prudes because they are worried you will dump them if you think they are a whore. So they play hard to get. But for the right guy the dread is too much and they want to fuck you anyway so they do. Unless they are unsure - have better options -…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:43 AM
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Date 3 is just when the most prominent expert on relationships recommends to have sex. This man gets his answer early. He was open honest and authentic. She's not a sexual girl. he's not gonna waste his time being a wallet. They both win. She stays insecure mad at men and he finds a good partner. If these girls aren't having sex with you, they're having sex with someone else better than you. Or they're waiting for you to make a move then figure out you are a wuss and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:39 AM
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He is following John Gottman's book 8 dates, which is date 3 is for sex. He didn't do anything wrong, this woman is just really insecure and has trauma and an avoidance around intimacy. He gets his answer early, she moves her seperate way and uses some other cuck as a pocketbook. He finds a girl who actually wants him
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:30 AM
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But.. you just said you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 09:31 PM
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two years of serious self improvement, minus the career which I already had. That was a 10 year ordeal. As a young kid I was the first kid to have a girlfriend, got asked out a bunch, pretty much most of the girls in the class. I however got a little chubby because I liked computers. Henceforth invisible. I stuck with computers, got an engineering degree and started working in tech. Then got red pilled, because i had spent 5 years being unable to get a girl out for a date and searched for answer…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:05 AM
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Men want a cook, a maid, and a whore. They only want a whore who is a whore for them. They want peace. If you can cook, clean, fuck, and be easy going - thats literally all men want. They don't care about anything else. You have the journey through life that you want to take. That may involve a career - or not. It doesn't matter. You are responsible for your path. This isn't to say men wont cook or clean. Just what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:58 AM
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As in?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:55 AM
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not dating a wildabeast isn't proof of hypergamy among males.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:18 AM
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Why do we even discuss this, this is well studied lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:17 AM
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This is the hypergamy associative mating cycle. The mistake this argument makes is that it looks at the finish line and says 'look - hypergamy doesn't exist'. This fails to account for the period of time before the pair mated associatively. Yes it is correct that in general we end up with our equals. Why? because of the hypergamy associative mating cycle. When womens environment cannot satisfy their hypergamy, they settle for equal but not less. It's that simple. Their instinct is still to find …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:13 AM
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I had 6 girls ask me out within a few months. Just gotta become chad first.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:11 AM
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Still nothing to say. How embarrassing :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 02:58 AM
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red pill* lol. you admitted to being attracted to all three pillars of the red pill in like 3 comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 06:04 PM
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Why are you blue pilled, you just admitted the right pill is right according to your own preferences...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 04:44 PM
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You are right bro, you are, but this red pill mentality is counterproductive, studying these things is shooting yourself in the foot, this is what the Manosphere doesn’t get. It is cringey, it is repugnant, it is extra, it communicates resentment and victimhood How is that so? you have made an awful lot of assumptions here buddy guy. This is actually your opinion and it is opposite to my experience. You basically just dont want to hear it. Except others here do want to hear it, and they want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 04:34 PM
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The reason is this: virtue signalling and fitting into a crowd. Women are MUCH more likely to say what people want to hear, due to agreeableness. They like to fit into society and climb it from within. If society says LGBTQ+ good, women will promote that because its popular. Except psychologists go and measure their dating choices and across the board very few of these vocal supporters would actually date a bi man. Why? Deep down they are grossed out. It's gross to them. This is virtue signallin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 04:26 PM
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The studies say they lower their physical standards for casual... thats why. There is a looks threshhold that must be crossed for women to engage in any relationship with a male. Women will only consider other attributes in males once this thresshold is crossed (Please see Norman Li's work). Prior to the threshold, the other attributes of a male do not matter. The relative size of this minimum threshhold changes depending whether the woman is looking to engage in a short term or a long term rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 03:56 PM
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It's literally just psychology, why do you need to sling insults. Wait I know why, you lack self awareness. This is a classic case of 'something true hurt my feelings, therefore the person saying them is wrong, the person saying them is my enemy'. You haven't grown up enough to recognize this is how your psychology works, and others as well. This is literally all the discussion here. People refuting facts because the truth hurts them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 01:49 AM
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No, they proved that women are harsh when rejecting men they consider lower value than themselves. That in their brain they consider the advance offensive. And when approached by a low value male they will signal to all other males and all other females in their reach via the harsh rejection that they are higher value as a way to preserve their status. Its objective, you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 07:36 PM
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Not true. Psychologists have actually proven this. For instance they took a woman and had an attractive male reject her. They then had a less attractive male show interest and measured the responses. What do you think happened? Was the woman more likely to accept the lower value males advance because the higher value male rejected her. This is logical. But false. It turns out that women are rejected by a higher value male, they are MUCH more likely to reject advances from a lower quality male - …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 05:00 PM
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Yes but there are other facets of knowledge like your faith. Why is your faith considered guiding when in reality it is only one small subsection of knowledge as a whole. Also those theories are not universal to the faith, and the faith is inherently limited in scope.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:14 AM
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Those questions are a change of topic. Zero interest. But if you understand how people are governed, how can you believe in faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 06:57 AM
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no red pill man wants women to date down, thats inherently anti red pill. the red pill is about mens self improvement, not womens lowering standards. It's about men rising to the occasion. How do you have this so backwards?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 12:31 AM
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Well if you truly had an open mind - you would go out of your way to learn about the laws of power. You would learn for instance how our society has constructed itself to utilize men as livestock. We are farmed. Religion is one mechanism which keeps us in our pen and keeps us as obedient livestock. But you aren't redpilled enough yet. That's okay. Learn the ways men are manipulated, by other men, by their bosses, by their wives, by their church, by their pastor. Learn how fake the world is. Bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:57 PM
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It isn't about expecting women to pair with these men. Its about informing other men of the expectation and teaching them how to meet that expectation. The red pill is an omtimistic view. Your looks, in your control. Your status in society, in your control. Your game (social skills) in your control. Stating an uncomfortable fact about male female dynamics (such as hypergamy) is NOT expecting women to date down. Women and blue pillers use the statement as a fact as a reason to dismiss the fact, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:17 PM
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What I am saying is dismissing this variance because both are affected is an argumentative fallacy. You add nothing to the discussion and do not disprove anything by saying it. Its silly. You just delude yourself into thinking you are winning the discussion but you actually said nothing of value at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:42 PM
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then you are not fully red pilled. You have merely selectively learned parts of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:41 PM
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30% of men are virgins by 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:30 AM
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You cannot be red pilled and be religious. If you are actually red pilled you would have learned about power and the ways men are manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:27 AM
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It's a problem because 65% of men aged 18-35 are single and only 25% of women are. They're dating the same men and getting hurt, while the majority of men go single. This is very destructive for our society long term. Actual collapse is on the cards. Imagine if you were a 10 year old boy and someone told you that there is a 30% chance that you will be a virgin into your 30s and that there is a 65% chance you will be single. What would these statistics do to a young boy? Id wager half would step …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:27 AM
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You missed the part about 'not interested'. That's an indirect form of language and pretty much means 'you are not hot enough'. This is well documented in psychology, for instance Normal Li's neccesities and luxuries model. Women have a looks threshold that must be crossed before they will consider any other attribute in a male partner. Basically, if you are not attractive enough, the answer is almost always NO. This is further refined across the globe. For instance south east asian women actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:23 AM
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You are missing the important part of chemistry for women which is the emotion called dread. Men can create the feeling of dread. If a man has satisfied hypergamy and even exceeded it to a great extent, he will invoke the emotion of dread in women. Women recognize that they have to step the fuck up or the catch is going to be long gone. They have to be on their best behavior. Because the dread of missing out on the opportunity is such a strong controller of their behavior that they literally jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:09 AM
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The extent to which they are limited is relevant and matters. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:00 AM
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most men I knew growing up are still single and they're into their 30s. Ouch.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 05:59 AM
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And that is actually his point. You get access to a wide range of partners as a woman, and as a man you are limited by what you can get. What are you trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 05:25 AM
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wanting to have physical intimacy is not the same wanting to use women for sex. It's completely reasonable to desire physical intimacy, and want to share that with a loved one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 02:31 PM
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Sounds like the sex she has isn't very good.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 07:25 AM
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that's only your perception though. as a woman you compete indirectly and care about your status in society. So when you see men who are not competing in attractiveness and do not make themselves well presentable, you resent them. When people view another person negatively they will project that negative perception onto their behavior, hence "multiple experiences with these guys". Not finding superficial girls. All the good ones want chad too. No I got myself quite a catch, from a very good fami…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:17 AM
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except when you become attractive as a man your entire experience completely changes. women treat you much better in all scenarios. you are really downplaying the halo effect. You basically go from creepy to fuck me daddy. The 'lets build a relationship' goes completely out the window when you become chad, it goes straight to let me cook you dinner and straddle you daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:25 AM
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Men fall in love on average in 6 dates, and women 13. So this gap also contributes. Men need to hold back otherwise it pushes women away to take longer to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 07:20 AM
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Women forget this simple fact: Women choose first, men choose to stick around. If you keep getting left, you are not good enough for the men you choose. Most men are good men, you are either shooting out of your league or you just aren't a good woman to be around. I have zero empathy for women who have issues in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 07:19 AM
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it's also just okay to not know certain social skills. For instance when you think about how a conversation works, there are so many details that people do not notice if you don't go looking. There are gender roles in the mix, indirect and direct communication, projection. In order to be competent with people you need to learn how people work, and most people just fly by the seat of their pants. It's a tremendous amount of information to pick up on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 02:28 AM
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no girls to all the girls. they're all just waiting for the next chad to give them a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 02:18 AM
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When you become chad you learn why fertility rates are so low.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:52 AM
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Sex is private. Look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 07:44 AM
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You need to be red pilled to know a lot of the psychological tricks being played in conflict, and how to handle them in a constructive way that fosters growth and stronger relationship ties. Most men aren't red pilled enough to handle women. They need to learn over time. Setting boundaries is much easier when you are red pilled and know what the boundaries are, how to respond to tests, and be assertive. Most women date unaware men who don't stand up and set boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:20 AM
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attraction is objective and chemical. The red pill wouldn't distiguish between the two because they both represent a loss of attraction. Boring ass broke deadbeat man and unattractive woman are the same. The red pill would not be judging in this case, the red pill of this situation is that in both cases the person who got left was no longer attractive to the other gender. The red pill just says what is attractive and it is people who judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:57 AM
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What did you put in?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:20 PM
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A colloquial definition because we live in a society where our language evolves. Delusional is just the term being used in mens spaces to describe high standards. I think a lot of women know that their standards are high and are okay with that. So they are not delusional by definition. That doesn't mean men need to be okay with that and they have every right to coin the discrepancy between what they think these womens standards should be to be fair to men as delusion. The discrepancy is very ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:08 PM
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A handful of very severe crimes does not discount a very overwhelming amount of less severe assaults that go unreported or not prosecuted. They're all worth one point each. You cannot discount abuse against men because some women get murdered. That is what the poster you are talking to is calling you out on. It's a logical fallacy. The right answer is agreeing that abuse against men is rampant and these men are not considered victims. You don't need to make the discussion be about how men abuse …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:05 PM
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I read a psychology study that showed how strong the "woman effect" actually was. If I recall it was very large. Women have a very large bias to select for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:53 PM
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Basically the halo affect in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:51 PM
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Men and women balance. For instance men tend to be better at dictating appropriate justice, which would be dictating what fair is. It's one of the reasons we have gender roles. Some gender roles are cultural and societal, but many of these originated from the strengths and weaknesses of each gender, whether perceived or tangible. Too much empathy can be bad for obvious reasons. Ethical dilemmas often have truths to both sides, and what feels like the right thing can be the wrong thing because of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:47 PM
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You can calculate your number very easily: https://www.femaledelusionalcalculator.com/p/united-states.html The word 'delusion' is used because that's the colloquial meme word to describe standards which are difficult for the vast majority of the male population to meet. And be honest with yourself regarding racial and body fat bias. Whats funny though is that those don't actually have a large perceived effect because the numbers are already so low lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:40 PM
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This may just show that women string along less attractive males. When I became chad, I went from getting strung along my dozens of women over my years on OLD. Never succeeded in getting a girl to agree to a first date. They were savage. Got muscular and lost like the bit of chub I had, updated my photos, and went on 8 first dates within two weeks of doing so. All i had to do is send a kiss emoji or a coffee emoji... So the men the women message could just be the men they have on their radar but…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:29 PM
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>from posting online rants about women being shallow bitches and no one wants to suck your dick. This is just them projecting their desire to be loved and wanted by someone, there is nothing wrong with that. >Then men and women both struggle with relating to each other's problems Just because women also struggle does not mean we should dismiss mens struggle. It's not like helping men will detract from women, helping men helps women. You are assuming there is blame, confusing something vulnerable…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:25 PM
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this guy puts his ideas out there and doesn't give a fuck, he's chad. Chad gets pussy. Do you get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:07 AM
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When I went through the pilling i went from no dates to literally 8 individual first dates scheduled within a two week period. It matters a lot. Go ask the 60% of men over history about how they feel about being unsuccessful at mating, while over 90% of women succeeded. Man survived because 40% of the men had 100% of the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:04 AM
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You do you, If you select for promiscuous women then do not be surprised with the outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:59 AM
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It's quite simple really - because others judge you based off your attractiveness, and they aren't aware or really conscious enough to recognize that in their behavior. Psychologists found that within 5 seconds of meeting someone, the brain automatically sorts that person into a camp. These first impressions are really hard to break. We live in a society and people behave in ways that are not morally justified or align with the current zeitgeist around optimal behavior. It's an acceptance that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:38 AM
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Although true the type of relationship matters as well. You can look at Norman Li's work, such as the luxuries and neccesities model. Women lower their standards for short term, but prioritize looks for short term. So for short term flings they want a minimum attractiveness but dont care about other things. For long term, the minimum attractiveness GOES UP (so higher looks standard which doesnt quite make sense but it does) while her preferences shift to money and status. So looks matter a littl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:27 PM
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Yes absolutely. You showed vulnerability, leadership, and confidence by being more forward with your intentions. You are in fact taking a big risk by doing so and so quickly, this breaks the rules and also displays some dark triad traits. It's refreshing because most girls spend their time waiting for a guy they like to make a move and you just did it without them asking or having to try. Mr wrong fuckboy becomes Mr right real quick. One big part of seduction is just being honest. There's a grea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:19 PM
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I am talking about authenticity. Women can spot a niceguy a mile away and they run away, why? Because they see body language signals and IOI's of "i wanna bend you over your desk right now" and they get "oh hi there *giggle*, so nice to see you" and super safe communication that comes across unconfident, socially inept, and sad and embarrassing. The nice guy hides his true intentions because he is scared to show who he is, and that is offputting. When you just 'went for the lay' you were authent…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 08:03 PM
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Because women have these thoughts too. 40% of women voted for trump. Stop being terminally online and start being authentic. Once you start being authentic and speak your mind, you will stop being a hopeless nice guy to afraid to be vulnerable and put your ideas out there. The thing is you can just find people who believe what you do. So speak your mind and let them filter themselves out. It's attractive as fuck too. People who believe what you do or dont have a problem with it will stay and tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:06 PM
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This is in essence confirmation bias. So you 'went for the lay' ie what - did kino escalation or seduction tactics? were authentic and spoke for yourself and what you want (also seduction tactics). vs sitting there "no miss hot chick i dont wanna fuck you no not me please keep dating me". Obviously when you are authentic and confident women who are attracted to you respond positively and reciprocate. You are being vulnerable and showing much more interest than is 'appropriate' and they're waitin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:51 AM
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It was my experience that women were quite open to getting tested beforehand. However I had become chad at this point and chad can get away with saying "you might have cooties so I wont fuck you". Prior I couldnt even get a date let alone have sex. But after i became chad it was much easier to say 'hey just letting you know im going to get a full sti panel done and i'd like if you did the same' 'oh does this mean we will be having sex' - yes baby girl, I will plow you once you have you test done…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:42 AM
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And this is why the red pill talks about it? so that if you follow the red pill and max yourself you wont be a boring unappealing husband/boyfriend? Are you straight red pilled or something? Yes women monkey branch, and the red pill is all about being so much better than her that she has no choice to chase after you. It's an emotion called dread, and when a woman sees a top tier man she gets hit with it really hard. The red pill idea is that men are like islands and women are like boats. If ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:29 AM
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You don't believe it? Google "Male competitors by height" and come back to me. Then delete your thread, thanks. A man 6'3" has on average 0.5 other competitors. So basically he has two women to himself without having to compete at all. Guess how many competitors the 5'5" man has? 1? 5? 10? It's like 30+. 0.5 to 30 is 60x more competitors and 60x the difficulty in finding a mate. Height matters, objectively. Stop the gaslighting. You likely lack confidence or are objectively not attractive. Make …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:22 AM
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no, they on average end up with people on their level. This ignores the journey to finding their level. In general women mate up and across social hierarchies and men down. This is called the associative-hypergamy mating cycle. Just because on average married couples mate associatively does not mean that women are not hypergamous. It just means that when unable to satisfy their hypergamy they settle for associative but interestingly not usually less than. Just looking at the finish line and sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:19 AM
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Anxious + disorganized doesn't make sense. Your google photo also doesn't say what you think it does. Disorganized attachment is characterized by having both anxious and avoidant attachment styles, which is very rare. <1% which is a direct quote from the defacto expert book on the topic (Attached). You have mixed all the terms together to get to 25%. One cannot be anxiously attached and disorganized attached to get a 25% - you can't add them because they don't add up like that. You have a subset…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:13 AM
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I am not speaking to OP. you said that men going to play games was indicative of a disorganized attachment style, that is false. You also said that anxious disorganized was 20%, disorganized is in fact less than 1%. Which makes your take that 'going to cave to play games = disorganized' even more absurd. In fact all i did is correct your false and misleading statements. There was no putting words in your mouth, I quoted directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 10:35 PM
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When your an adult, especially when your a parent, it’s the children needs that come first. If your putting yourself first like this, you are being a selfish arsehole and a terrible partner. I do not disagree. These men were likely arseholes and were not providing when they were needed. If they were red pilled they would have known what was expected of men, and provided, and wouldn't expect anything in return. THey also would have held their women accountable so that things never escalated when …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 10:05 PM
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No you are making the assumption that they withdraw because relationships are stressful. It's actually just because men crave adventure and enjoy solitude because they are thinkers. You are using psychology terms willy nilly without fully understanding what these are. Going to the cave to play video games does not make one avoidant AND anxious. That's an absurd take. Read the book attached and come back please.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 10:03 PM
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Who said these are things they should have been doing? And also aren't you just supporting the red pill by saying these men should be doing these things anyway? Ie men are valued for being a provider, when they stop providing value they are expected to provide they should be discarded? Sorry - its actually the women in this case who are acting like children. They are not giving, not receiving, and leaving. They are being passive aggressive children who are not holding themselves accountable for …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 06:40 PM
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Do you want to know why this happens? Men and women value contributions differently. If men do something big and hard, they expect a lot of points. Women see it as a single act of love. So men do big things, and then when they have a lot of points in their mind, they sit back and expect to be rewarded. Women count points differently, and that 'big' thing was really just one small thing in her mind. Whether thats fair is up for debate. But basically, a man will put in effort ONLY until the point …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:09 PM
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Disorganized is like 1% of the populuation. Men going to their cave or adventuring is just how men are. Attributing going into the cave "to play videogames" as a form of anxious attachment style is quite the absurd take. That's literally just male behavior in a nutshell. They get their cave and they get their adventure. It ticks all the male boxes. It has nothing to do with anxious attachment style. In fact - going into the cave would indicate avoidance??
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:02 PM
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What do you say to all the psychology research such as the neccessities and luxuries model by Normal Li? The fact is we have measured the traits each gender values - to the exact amount each matters. Your take is basically saying this research is wrong because you don't believe it - which is an absurd take. These are absolutely biologically driven and psychologists proved it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 04:53 PM
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frankly: it works and correct describes female behavior and how males should act. I validated its correctness through experiment with the women I was dating and female friends in my life. Women are completely unaware of how they behave in ways that validate the red pill. I went from being a turbo virgin, to having old female friends and old coworkers asking me out when I already had a partner. Went from being unable to get a first date for years on dating apps (getting ghosted repeatedly, dead e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 03:54 PM
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I find most women are inherently red pilled. The lack of self awareness is completely baffling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:47 PM
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you are conflating sexless men projecting being sexless and desiring physical intimacy with what the red pill is. The red pill on promiscuity is backed by data that shows marriage happiness declines with partner count, and more considerably for women than for men. Just because some men project being sexless virgins does not mean that men are hypocritical. There is a difference between a woman who has sex with a lot of men (gross) with women who have lots of sex with one man (less gross). One sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:45 PM
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The analogy is very apt. You just don't like it because the truth hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:29 PM
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Women are already fearful of men. Your appearance dictates peoples perception of you. Male + undesireable is major ick. Every one of your behaviors will have this idea that you are a creep projected onto you. When you become chad, like I did, women go from ew disgusting creep get the fuck away from me to fuck me daddy energy. They go from not wanting to even be near your presence to going out of their way to touch your muscles, flirt with you when its inappropriate, do everything they can think …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:28 PM
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Duh. Women are a protected class and men are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:25 PM
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That's like telling a starving child that food isn't important.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:20 PM
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the red pill teaches men what women need from men in long term relationships too. How women test men, the idea that you should welcome these tests, pass with flying colors, and set your woman at ease. Be a rock, create a nice island, all the things women need to keep them in states of mind where they are fun, happy, loving, and very giving in all the right ways. It teaches men how to be the guy they always dreamed of.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:17 PM
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who said penetrative sex doesn't lead to orgasm? Perhaps penetrative sex with a man whom a woman is not attracted to or feels no lust for is not satisfying. My girl is left breathless and having to put herself together after our sessions. Women respond very positively to hot erotic sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:10 PM
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they didn't understand attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:36 AM
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ditto for the red pill to me it was always looks status game being in your control, its optimistic meaning you can do something about it. but people here say its hatred of women , a doomer mindset that you cant do anything. People misattribute something tate says as red pill to dismiss the red pill. But it was always looks status game people just want a convenient way to dismiss other ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:17 PM
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you are mistaking men coming here lonely, frustrated, confused, who read a few studies about mate selection and want to talk about it with men being deeply unhappy. Coming here and bringing up how dating works does not mean these men are unhappy, or that they hate women. They are coming here to vent and seek understanding. A red pill man doesn't hate women or hate the world. The red pill is an optimistic view that teaches a man how the world works and how people work, it's peace through knowledg…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 05:07 PM
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Absolutely. Women want a good guy, not a nice guy. It actually more comes down to authenticity. I was always nice, but I never showed authenticity in regards to attraction. Women see the body language cues of "i wanna fuck you" but get a smile and a hi there X. And they're like - why aren't you telling me you wanna take me out back and bend me over im hot as fuck. It's off putting, icky, shows a lack of confidence. Once I started being authentic and act on my desires things changed pretty drasti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 04:46 PM
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if you are fat you are a 2 so everyone ignores you and says you are nice. lose weight you get treated much better. gonna have sex with my gf in a few hours when we wake up like usual good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:24 AM
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it isn't about forcing women to lower their standard. it's about raising men up about what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:04 AM
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its also attractive to compete at their game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:45 AM
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being vulnerable is being a leader. Having the strength to do something anyway even when the outcome is not known. Leadership is attractive. It's the same thing your gonna have to do to make her orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:55 PM
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I seriously doubt more than one person ever said "A child not embraced by the village will burn it to feel its embraced.". It sounds like you are attributing what one person said to everyone else. Its not ironic. That's literally what you were doing. You didn't say those words but that is the result of what you said. You are dismissing the argument under the basis that these men want sex. The desperation is completely fabricated and even then being desperate when starved isn't even that surprisi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:50 PM
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Did these men say they were in desperate need of it? Or is this something you have assumed. That would be something called putting words in their mouths. Wanting sex is completely normal, and I would expect people who haven't ever had sex or who live lives that are extremely restricted in sex to project the desire of sex. Whats not high quality conversation is having your take. You break the four agreements and immediately go to 'wanting sex is wrong' to dismiss the conversation - but that makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:23 PM
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hey thats me. can agree, was nerd, got muscles, completely different life trajectory when it comes to the ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:10 PM
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40% of women voted for trump, so it's only weird to the other 60%.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:10 PM
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I agree with you on the basis that quality of conversation in social media is low and you should have low expectations in your communication with others on those platforms. We should still all strive to be better. The goal of what i said was to point out that I see the poor communication and irrationality in almost every discussion here. For instance "You just want a girlfriend to get your dick wet" is a pretty absurd take. Most people like sex?. Its intentionally inflammatory and downright kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:07 PM
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I think its reasonable for men (and women) to not want to continue the conversation. I find some of the interactions here to be very poor from both sides. Lots of terrible listening skills, debate skills, and general respect which devolves conversations to this level. It just happens, and i do not think that because men exit conversations they have a victim mindset. I find a lot of the discussions here tend to avoid facts and use a large array of logical fallacies and social manipulation tactics…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 01:51 PM
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how good you are in bed matters. I would recommend any man read the book she comes first. You also need to learn how to last and do training - so kegels and reverse kegels (reverse especially). This comes with learning male and female arousal. For men - tension causes you to bust, so you need to learn how to relax your muscles - Learn how to reverse kegel to last. You need to what gets women off to arouse them and pleasure them. Women need hot and erotic sex - they absolutely go wild for it. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 01:34 PM
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because it's actually absurd for you to ask. My guess is that he wanted #2 and to go to sleep because #2 had been shown as not obtainable in your presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:48 PM
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getting a blue piller to explain womens general demeanor at a Jonas Brothers concert is like hearing a child talk about astrophysics. Those are screams of lust and desire young padawan! The level of social gaslighting to believe otherwise is mind blowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:41 PM
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the issue is that women seek red pill men, so men need to become red pilled to compete. as more men get red pilled more women become alpha widowed. Basically, once a woman has had a red pill man she cant go back, and the need for more red pilled men becomes apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:39 PM
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Quite the assumption there darling. No my experience was that in the supermarket girls would turn the other way when they saw me at the other end. In university - women wouldn't want to talk to me or be in a group with me. I got muscular and womens body language and general demeanor went from 'get the fuck out of my face creep' to 'fuck me daddy'. you are clueless to the male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 09:38 PM
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ya but I didn't get a date until I was 30, I spent years on apps getting ghosted. There were a few girls who talked to me for a week or two, refused all date invitations, and then ghosted (or randomly got super upset at something I said and took a convenient exit through insecure delusion in some sad attempt to try to frame me as being the reason they are ghosting). Well i got muscular, updated my photos, and had 8 first dates within two weeks of doing so. Stop trying to explain what the obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:29 PM
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Let me tell you the two most important things for men in a relationship Sex Peace By making a big deal out of not paying for your own uber early in a relationship you break #2. No man will want to commit to you and will just use you for #1. Your reaction to him not paying for your uber is highly codependent, which he responded to correctly by saying no and not enabling the codependency. Since you did not agree on him paying for the uber home before the date you failed to communicate properly and…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:11 PM
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girl, if you are his girlfriend he is of course going to buy shit for you. think of the long con.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:56 AM
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You are responsible for your actions, not people's feelings in response to your action. If your action was reasonable, then the feelings that result are not your problem - they're the other persons to deal with and handle. Its important to communicate this early when you spot the behaviors you talk about. Nip that bad behavior in the bud early. Sorry girly im not gonna let your insecure tantrums gaslight me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:13 PM
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"he wasn't the perfect disney gentleman that I deserve so I must go through a dozen other men until I find him" her definition of disney gentleman: pays for her shit like a walking wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:09 PM
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and why would you pay for her uber? lmao what, the gold digger cant afford a car?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:01 PM
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both your partners sound like red pilled men, looks money game is what they went after.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:36 AM
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describe your new boyfriend. appearance, career, how is he in the bedroom?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 01:04 AM
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ya but you could say anything you want right now, make anything up, and it doesn't change the fact that it takes two willing to match energy and try to fix it. My guess is you both sucked at making the other person feel heard for 25 years and both didn't realize that. Like you both just needed to learn a skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 01:01 AM
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25 years is a long time to throw away, just sayin` edit: Also how in 25 years did you not fix this? Do you both just suck at resolving conflict?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:43 AM
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arguments can be very nasty though. He sounds like he really still loves you and wants you and seems remorseful. Im not gonna justify his actions. What he did was wrong. In my experience I do think it took a long time learn the skills to resolve conflict with my romantic partners. My current SO had to be taught, by me. We're all at certain stages of conflict resolution and the social understanding / emotional awareness required to realise that you can make someone feel heard in a discussion and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:37 AM
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In the REAL WORLD, young women are with guys their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:48 PM
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you said women are with guys their age but the data says otherwise. This is just how men and women behave. Older is more normal than any other classification, even across human history because the median says so. I have no desire to discuss any further, such as new topics about how women are pursued.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:00 PM
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its gained momentum because it works and gets results. The logic is sound. The red pill is an optimistic view that teaches men how to be their best, and attracting women is just a side outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 06:16 PM
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Can you please stick to actual facts rather than your feelings? The real world does NOT describe what you say. Women are simply attracted to older men for a variety of reasons. Only at younger ages where women are not around older men do they stay in their age range. Your statement is literally only true for women in their teens or VERY early twenties. https://www.sciencealert.com/fathers-have-been-older-than-mothers-for-250000-years-study-finds The average Homo sapiens father has always been ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 06:04 PM
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To me it seems like a waste of time and energy to even date men who care about youth above all else. why are you assuming that this is the case? ). So what is the benefit of dating an older man as a young woman if we hit the wall, and is no longer valuable to them once we hit a certain age? Because younger women have less baggage. They are still fun and agreeable. Once women become older and further from where they think they should be in life (kids, wedding, etc) they become more dysregulated a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 07:13 AM
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You used a hasty generalization. A logical fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:05 PM
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I explained it. All of those stats are true though, so what is your point. These people are just indirectly saying that its difficult for men (based off x, y, z statistics) in the dating market and that is why you need go on a journey of self improvement to be better than other men and be the best you can be so you do not get divorced. Either way people sucking at debating is not the red pills mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 01:52 PM
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I think argumentative fallacies go both ways, like the fallacy you just used. This is a debate and people debate in it. They are people. You mean to say its the mistake of people who speak about the red pill and red pill things. The red pill is not wrong because people who speak for it suck at debating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 11:39 PM
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Assortative mating describes who people end up with at settling age across the broad population. You cannot look at a broad statistic that says women and men match their relative equals based off marriage statistics because who people marry is not always who they want. This does not describe the men women do go for especially as women are young and haven't learned what they want yet. What assortative mating describes is that women on average end up with their equals - but never worse. This actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 03:27 PM
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You really see people mostly on one side trying to get it live, in action, and on camera Random influencers who say red pill things still aren't the red pill. People will try to discredit views through argumentative fallacies like 'go outside' they are insinuating that your views do not reflect the real world. You need to call out the social manipulation. Such as trying to say that because andrew tate said mysogynstic things and said red pill things that the red pill is bad. Its an argumentative…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 04:02 AM
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This is why the red pill looks so hard at statistics and data. We just look at how the world works and describe it. The issue we have is that people hear the fact, the fact makes them uncomfortable, and they blame the person who presented the fact. That is by definition what a child does. They project insecurity around hearing the fact you state and attack you for stating it. Literal NPCs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 03:20 AM
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80% of women succesfully reproduced vs 40% of men over history for anyone wondering. In other words, if you are a man and you are in the bottom 60% you gotta step it up if you wanna have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:30 PM
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One of the ways women secure the mates they want is by improving their appearance. Its one of the reasons women wear make up or involve themselves with fashion. Its an indirect form of competition with the others around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:10 PM
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You are trying to argue that i am avoiding the issue but that is completely absurd. What I would be doing is not relevant and that is why I did not answer. You used it to conveniently convey that I was hiding something. But in fact I have nothing to hide. We weren't talking about me, and especially not some hypothetical version of reality which you appear to be residing in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 01:57 AM
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I did answer one of your questions. I also ignored the other because it is not relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:19 AM
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Women tend to use social manipulation, emotional abuse etc to emasculate men. It is just their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:07 AM
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I can see your sarcasm I think? i dunno its text. Either way: Relevant reading would be to look up how women compete intrasexually (with other members of their gender). There is plenty of research on it. This is for instance where the 'mean girls' traits come in as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:06 AM
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100% they are real. Once you learn what shit tests are, you will see women in your life employ them often. If you talk to them about it they don't know why they do it. It's just how women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:13 PM
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They've been emasculated en masse by feminism and feminists. They are weak men. They got cancelled for their thoughts and feelings and rather than stand up for what they believe they go out with a wimper. It is sad as fuck. Women will always seek to emasculate men. Its a test. If you have ever been in a relationship with a woman you would know what this is. When you do not allow yourself to be emasculated you get fun, bubbly, feminine, horny energy. When you allow yourself to be emasculated you …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:51 PM
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They're also more likely to have matured enough to be a father figure. It takes a lot of life knowledge to be a good father. From understand the world to the people in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:49 PM
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Or men do not care about how they dress so do the minimum to be socially acceptable. Indirect competition in this way (through your appearance) is generally how women compete (and socially aware men who want to compete with women in the way they compete).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:45 PM
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Women prefer to avoid conflict so tend to go with what is socially the norm. Its a conflict avoidance strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:43 PM
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Having a bias does not make the conclusion they make wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:41 PM
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Because men prefer women with lower body counts and they get cancelled, so the public discourse only has the opinions of women and lower quality men who benefit from the promiscuity. The good men who care about those values do not get a voice. The irony is that women fighting for their right to be 304's are fighting against the very men they want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:39 PM
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The issue is what you say you want and how you behave differs. So the men who say this through confirmation bias are sharing their lived experience that disproves what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:24 PM
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I feel like it’s mostly men putting those standards on themselves, As I spent years on dating apps getting 0 dates and not even getting messaged. I worked out for 7 months updated my photos and had 8 dates in two weeks. Women want chad that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:24 PM
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Women compete in indirect ways. You can look at the psychology of how men and women compete. Its why they pretty themselves up. Its why they look for high status partners. Its very well documented.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:21 PM
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Women and men are starting families together men and women getting together does not change any of this. 63% of men are single aged 18-30 (family starting age) and you are trying to say that doesn't matter because 37% of men are pairing?! Men seem to know enough about women to attract them Attractive people don't need to know anything. Less attractive people need to learn more to compensate. Also, divorce rates are very high so although you may initially attract a woman 80% of divorces are initi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:20 PM
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They ask men to buy things, weak men say yes. I dated a girl for 6 dates and she asked me to be buy her an e-bike for $2000. I told her to start saving. She ghosted me. She ended up getting preggers with a random dude a month later and then gaslighting and emotionally abusing him out of the relationship - all the while getting validation from our mutual friend group for being a horrible human being and baby trapping this dude. Apparently she had a basement full of 'stuff' too. Women learn ON AVE…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 02:22 PM
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Most women do not intend to manipulate, they do it instinctively. Its hardwired in their biology. Learn spiral theory. You have not reached a high enough level of perception and self awareness. You claim all women manipulate all the time. He claimed women manipulate, and this is you changing his words (a form of manipulation) You claim that 12 year old girls enjoy the gross behavior grown men give them He stated nothing about enjoying the gross behavior grown men give them. This is you changing …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:14 PM
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Women with 10 or more partners at 2.5x more likely to cheat, and their marriage happiness suffers. Reported happiness at 1-3 partners is ~70%, drops to ~50% by 10 and continues to decline. Many other reasons. Why would a man take a coin flip? Its not rational at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:28 PM
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Testosterone makes men supportive of other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:58 AM
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I was just a little overweight. Women were cruel to me my entire life until I lost weight and got jacked. Then they were all over me. it went from avoid hugging me at the end of the friend gathering and ONLY me to HEY CHOCOBOLAMO HOW HAVE YOU BEEN OMG THATS SO AMAZING *plays with hair* *giggle*
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:56 AM
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So based on that, should men avoid virgins? If thats what the data shows, then yes. From a personal standpoint 0 would mean I have to teach her how to not be anxious and codependent. Though we all know things aren't black and white. This is just one data point. The virgin girl could pass a lot of other bars. There are a lot of data points that a promiscuous woman has to overcome. So its easier for a virgin woman and harder for a promiscuous one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:51 AM
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A lot of women who do not like advances are already in relationships and it gets annoying for them. Some women get A LOT of attention because of their beauty. This is a case of the loudest person in the room being the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:25 AM
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if you dont tease her, neg her, flirt with her, touch her, and just be the nicest best friend who will inevitably declare his love for her she will keep you at a distance because its not assertive or confident to sit on the sidelines and hope she makes a move. She can see if you are attracted to her within a moment of meeting you just through body language. You aren't hiding anything... Rip the bandaid off and get yourself rejected right away. Its desperate and sad to sit and wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:15 AM
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the red pill teaches men the statistics of promiscuous women. Women with 10 or more partners are 150% more likely to cheat (MORE, so 2.5x) and at 10 partners reported (women lie) marriage happiness rate drops to 45%, by 20 partners its 25%. 1-3 its like 70%. This menas that at 10 partners your woman is much more likely to cheat and much less likely to be happy with who she chose (you). The red pill teaches facts and statistics. Influencers like andrew tate take it to the extreme because that get…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:11 AM
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Its because women are OK with using men when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:00 AM
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The red pill doesn't tell you to manipulate. It teaches you attraction (Among many many other things, how to attract men or women is just a small part of the path to waking up). This is an important distinction. Pick up artists that also teach the red pill teach manipulation. But that manipulation is wrongly associated with the red pill. The red pill teaches what manipulation is and how to spot it. It teaches you what women and men find attractive. It is up to the man or woman and his/her values…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 12:52 PM
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But women have a higher sex drive then men do. Proven facts. Studies actually show women have a higher libido then men. Women just gaslight society to make them appear more virtuous. Women also are pickier with who they want to have sex with, which is convenient as society thinks they want less sex. This offers an easy cop out. Its easy to say a man you are not attracted to is thirsty then admit you dont want to have sex with him because he is not attractive. Its easy to blame the man for the 'i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 11:07 AM
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I have no issue with it, but its not taught which is where my gripe is. Women will actively deny its a thing and gaslight society, yet in every relationship I have been expected to take the lead. It was difficult to learn this and accept it at first. But now that I have gained the skills to initiate it is easy, and attracting women is easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 11:03 AM
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Its funny because how women compete is well documented in psychology. They compete in indirect ways. One is through their appearance. Its how they gauge their value to other women and men in society. Its how they attract a higher value mate, which validates her own value. Women have been prettying themselves up for tens of thousands of years to appear more attractive. Its one of the ways they survive. The halo effect is well documented. Men generally don't care or if they do its to get women, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 10:54 AM
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The issue is people in your life get really offended if you change. This is a wierd nuance of psychology where other people in your life become resentful when they see you improving or growing. It makes them insecure about their own progress. It also makes them uncomfortable because people are generally uncomfortable with change. If you follow the path of self improvement get ready to lose friends or family.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:22 PM
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The solution is to normalize masculine and direct language. Men are too scared to stand up or speak up for their values, or do so in beat around the bush ways. We need men to start speaking their mind and speaking out directly at misbehavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:20 PM
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I was 30lb overweight, working in tech, and I spent 4 years on all dating apps not getting a single conversation. Just ghosted repeatedly. I wasn't even average. I was already in the top 3 percentile of income earners. I got fit and muscular, and had 8 dates scheduled within a week of updating my photos. So yes, average men struggle. I knew the statistics, that the 80:20 rule had become the 95:5 rule. I had seen dating app data published in "dataclysm: who we are when no one is looking" which pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:18 PM
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Bluntness is also a cultural thing though. If you speak to anyone or were raised by anyone with an eastern european background (Ukraine, russia, anywhere around there), blunt is the default. Its how you were raised. This clashes with western values where often peoiple prefer to avoid conflict and beat around the bush. Bluntness is also a very masculine way of speaking. Its mens default way of communicating. Do x, you are y, I hate z. Its no different from 'grunt, spit, roar'. For instance if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:09 PM
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Read the book 'Of boys and men', the pendulum has certainly shifted. Men are disadvantaged in every single way in our society. It is facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:05 PM
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club women are gross anyway lmao. the club is the last place I would go to find a good woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:04 PM
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facts. 0 dates over 4 years. got fit and msucular. 8 dates scheduled within a week of updating my photos. yawn
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:03 PM
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I would regularly leave the women I was talking to on opened, either just for fun to see if they'd react or if they said something I didn't like. This is attraction building. Ignoring her signals to her that you perceive yourself as higher value than her. And if she does something wrong you are holding her accountable, signalling that shes not good enough. Both of these induce anxiety. Because on one hand, she needs to step up and on the other you are slipping away. I'd ignore something she said…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:57 PM
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Nurses They love rich and successful doctors, and are surround by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:54 PM
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Low quality woman :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:21 PM
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Out of all of that that is all you choose to respond to? Pointing out a minor detail does not invalidate the rest of what I said. The red pill also teaches men how women manipulate. They're very adept socially
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:00 PM
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Literally a video of a woman just showing her outfit will be filled with comments like “fatherless behaviour” Dress like a prostitute, get treated like a prostitute. Welcome to living in a society. Men get the ick from promiscuity. They cannot trust a kid will be theirs if a woman is promiscuous so it turns on our internal alarm bells. Its not our fault. Just like women get the ick from "creepy" guys (unattractive guy just minding his own business in the corner because his presence isn't welcome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:48 PM
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As a man who worked on body a significant amount I have seen the difference in how women behave during intimacy. After gaining muscle it was heavy contractions and completely left breathless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:36 AM
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This is a difficult to answer one as I am the receiver in this case. My partner says she likes pleasing me & it makes her really horny if she is in the mood, which isn't as often as I am in the mood. She doesn't like initiating however at all (uncomfortable with it) so at times I am ready to go and like really horny but she wont really be feeling it at the moment (tired, etc). I think its important to realize that men and women's arousal systems just work different. When men do not ejaculate the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:44 PM
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Its like 33% honesty 33% virtue signalling and 33% arguments filled with fallacies and common manipulation tactics from women win my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:51 PM
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100% serious. I made myself an experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:00 PM
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5'11
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:57 PM
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something like 45% of men aged 18-30 is single and only 25% of women in that age group are. Yeah, most men are, but its dangerous close to less men are then aren't in the demographics which matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 07:03 AM
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The psychology answer is a woman will feel offended by your advance if she believes she is out of your league. Women care a lot about status, and especially their status within society. This is because women compete in indirect ways. Being with a lower value partner would signal that she is lower value, and its offended by a lower value males advance because that man has the audacity to think he has a chance. So she rejects him and shows everyone else how much higher value she is then him. Then …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:51 AM
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I had seen multiple women turn their carts around. A good looking face goes a long way. If you want to learn what facial features you have and which ones are attractive, there are plenty of black pill studies which detail that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:06 AM
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you can read my comment here https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1618xr7/how_do_red_pillers_explain_the_average_guy_being/jxsgq0x/ thats related to height. I have read some relevant studies on height preferences and shared what I remember there. Regarding self hate, I never had it. I just refused to play the game I saw all the other men in my 20s age range were starting to play. Get fit, muscular, and suddenly they had hot gf's. After being ignored for years. One by one. Then I re…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 04:46 AM
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The heightened awareness of reality is a big one. You learn how fake the world all is. You can read people, you understand people, you know how people operate. You become a man who has woken up to the fundamental truths of our society. And thanks. It took 10 years Self improvement or self destruction. From a personal standpoint I saw self improvement as the only option - its just who I am. So I see others who were me as people who haven't woken up. Or aren't willing to step up. They are weak. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 04:40 AM
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Absolutely. They don't quite understand just how shallow people really are. Society is so body positive right?! You cannot change human behavior. You go from love to lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 04:33 AM
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I did power lifting for a year. I'm an excellent cook and knowledgeable in nutrition as well so could eat perfectly for it. Financially set for life so able to buy good food. So got really fit. I look like the guy from suits, Gabriel Macht - I get it all the time Not sure in 5'8", i'm not an expert. I do know that in north america 6' is a super number for women proven statistically. This is not seen in europe because they use the metric system and 182.88cm tall does not quite ring the same. So I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 04:25 AM
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There are studies done in psychology where researches put photos of unnatractive partners and showed them to people while noting their body language. They also asked these people questions about the person. It turns out that how attractive you are really matters when it comes to initial impressions, and how people perceive your behaviors. The halo effect is real. And the reverse is just as true. Studies proving that people who are attractive are seen as more virtuous and trustworthy. Well in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 04:06 AM
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I got fit and muscular and I got "i fucking love you" "you are a real man" "fuck me right now". When I was a little overweight girls would recoil or turn around in the super market when they saw me. None would ever want to have a conversation with me. None would ever show interest or bring up their imaginary boyfriend within two spoken sentences, I even heard "I will never listen to anything you ever say" as an opener. Now waitresses eye fuck me in the restaurant. Smile and give IOI's everywhere…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:33 PM
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The line is quite simple - what is the definition of the red pill? where is it from? Well its from the matrix. You take the blue pill and live in false oblivious ignorance or take the red pill and see the world for what it is. The red pill is everything that describes how the world works. Whether its society, people, behaviors, and response to stimulus. So yes, the red pill does teach you how to turn women on. Is turning women on a bad thing? No it is not. Women want erotic hot and intimate sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:23 PM
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Its because they mistake toxic masculinity with the red pill. The red pill teaches the world as it is, as evidenced by data, psychology, evolution, and real world experience. Pickup artists teach men how to get casual sex. The red pill teaches men what women find attractive. Pick up artists teach what woman find attractive for the purpose of picking up women. The red pill teaches men seduction and the purpose is up to the man. For me, it was saving one good girl from this horrendous dating marke…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:37 PM
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Its BS though, because every other tech workers experience is that women are a handicap. source - engineer in tech. Most of the guys have 20-30 years of soft skills with computers. Women cannot compete because they in general never had related hobbies growing up. Its just a nuance of how soft skills are built in childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:35 PM
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I was a successful tech worker, engineering degree. multiple six figures. Got ignored by women my whole life (I learned because I Was 30lb overweight). I got red pilled, got fit & muscular, and had 2 sexual experiences within a month of updating my photos. Many dates scheduled in the first 2 weeks that I couldn't fit any more. This was after not getting any messages for almost 4 years on all dating apps. 0 to fucking hero and all that changed was my appearance. In fact, through my dating experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:30 PM
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There is nothing about the redpill that teaches young men to go for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:24 PM
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I think a lot of men prefer small boobs. They just like boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:46 PM
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The real issue is women dated men way out of their league, whos only interest was sex. They are victims of their own psychology and as always the rest of the men take the blame because they will not hold themselves accountable. The men @ the top of attractiveness are just taking advantage of them and they are blind to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:45 PM
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I know right. I was a little overweight and it was 30 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:07 PM
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There is a study that shows 6'0" is a magic number, and ONLY in north america. For whatever reason women cling on the 6 foot fantasy and stick to it. This is not observed in europe because they use the metric system for height. Its absolutely about the fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:05 PM
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this is because of the dichotomy of how relationships are formed. Women choose the man, the man chooses to stick around around. This leaves women terribly confused at times. Yes there are men who just want sex, but a lot of times women lack accountability and are not self aware enough to figure out that they are the problem. In a lot of cases it is not their fault, because society has skewed their self image. But alas they still behave poorly, treat their partner like shit, and he leaves because…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:01 PM
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I think 1 on 1's with the other gender is just a recipe for disaster if you are in the media spot light or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:54 PM
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If you want my personal experience. I was 30, very successful (engineer in tech). 30-40 lb overweight, never went to the gym. Not visibly fat but bigger, I have a big build. It wasnt for a lack of trying. I was on dating apps for 4 years and basically never got any matches, and if I did the girls ghosted me after 1-3 messages. Even the fat chicks wouldnt match me. Well over the course of losing my extra weight I red pilled and black pilled myself. Went to the gym. Got myself to the point where I…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:50 PM
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What I choose to write about has no bearing on the accuracy or relevance of the studies. Are you trying to insinuate (manipulate) otherwise? I chose to use personal anecdotes. I can just as easily link the contents of the studies speaking the same universal truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:48 PM
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As a man who entered the dating market later in life I can tell you that it is absolutely correct. I had to work my ass off to be the best listener, the best communicator, the best sexually, the best financially, the most stoic. I could tell that the women I dated had high expectations on my behaviors. Through their body language, how they responded, how they behaved. So i sucked it up and just did a lot of research. After a period I avoided women with a lot of partners, because I found they wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:18 PM
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Once you start slappin asses, talking dirty, being a bit dominant, engaging her sexually, treating her like a sexual object (when it is appropriate), you stop being 'nice' and 'boring'. You take her on a rollercoaster every single day. This is where nice guys get it wrong. They don't realize that women WANT to be desired sexually. they WANT to be treated like a sexual object. They want deeply satisfying erotic hot sex with a man who can ravage her. The issue you have as a man is becoming the man…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:03 PM
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Sexual satisfaction and resources. Most men fail at doing both and find themselves divorced. In reality, as a man you provide her your world. She either likes your world or finds another mans world to join. Its up to you to figure out what your world is. Then its up to the woman to like your world enough to stay. As a man you provide a woman with life as you see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:59 PM
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Read no more mr nice guy. You have a habit of tuning yourself to others. This is not attractive. A woman can spot a guy being nice from 100 miles away and they will instantly get the ick. You not standing up for yourself, taking sacrifices, and not putting yourself first makes you look weak, and thus not attractive. A man who knows what he wants, is assertive in what he wants / needs, and has the balls / social awareness to stand up for himself in all scenarios is attractive. A man who gets walk…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:56 PM
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Yes, men need to shame each other. Its how men bond and improve. Its how men keep each other accountable. Contrary to what people think, men are built not born a certain way. Their experiences shape who they are. If a man is taught that he is perfect the way he is then he has no reason to improve himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:51 PM
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Statistically stubble is the most attractive facial hair on a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:47 PM
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No, its not wrong. Your biology has wired you to be attracted to certain traits. You cannot help what you are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:46 PM
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No that is not true. We tell women that the partners they are interested in are only going for them to pump and dump them. Men who focused on their looks, their body, their fitness. Who learned their sexual market value. Those men have made it and they know it. They made it through the gauntlet and survived on the other end. They have access to a ton of pussy and thus women are naive and ignorant if they think they are going to be the one to lock that man down. The data shows womens preferences …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:35 PM
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The halo effect is well studied in psychology and is very real.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:32 PM
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Engineer here. Only met two women in my field who was competent. The rest I had to carry on my back. The fact is men put in more effort, are more driven and motivated, have more skills, and just get the job done. Its also annoying as fuck as a male to have to switch to indirect beat around the bush language whenever a woman is around. Among men we speak directly, bluntly, and to the point. Then we get an HR complaint from women who lacks the awareness that men have to cater to female language an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:25 PM
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Studies show that the effect is less pronounced in men. Like significantly so. This is where the idea that its only women comes from. Also putting women in front of it does not exclude men. When stated like that its ambiguous and scorned women take it as an attack of women only.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:19 PM
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in other words women want to be fucked. Beta men won't do it for them because they suck in bed. Once a woman has had a good sexual experience that sets her expectation. Its one of the reasons learning game and seduction is so important these days. Once a woman has been with one pick up artist you are expected to perform just as well. And these women have been pumped and dumped by pickup artist after pickup artist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:03 AM
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I would argue their age plays a big part. How old are these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:00 AM
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The studies show women are shallow, and more so then men...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 12:58 AM
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I dated a few women who got stuck on the carousel. I heard it frequently early on in a relationship from the mouths of women I was dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:14 PM
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I have found that when I succeed in containment and maintaining a masculine frame women get much more horny. Which you could consider romantic. But really, I still do all the seducing. They're just much more receptive and sometimes just jump my bones with a little push. Slap of the ass in the morning, an impromptu makeout sesh while making breakfast, a few choice words, and she's ontop of me without me having to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:58 PM
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Actually thats not completely true. Studies show that there is a minimum threshold of attractiveness that must be passed for women to consider any other attribute when seeking long term partnerships. This effect is shown most obviously with dating app data (The 80 20 rule) but this is observed in real life as well. There are exceptions obviously, and a woman may choose a less attractive man as a form of securing a mate. Or she isn't aware of her value, has insecurities, is naive, etc. But the ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:53 PM
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Speak truths. Glad you found success after taking the pill. I did too. I ate it softly some 10 years ago before I undertook my career aspirations and filled the rest of the details later after that goal was achieved. Just like you, women became easy for me overnight. With 8 dates scheduled over 2 weeks after years of being ignored. They've shown their hand and are upset that we have figured them out. Hence gaslight society against the red pill so as to hold onto some form of virtuousness. Real m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:26 PM
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Then its not about kids, its about quality of life, and the quality of life that the woman feels she can get. This is pure speculation and my opinion, but most women feel they are entitled to too much. Completely average insecure broken women who have no skills, cant cook, cant clean, cant control their emotions, cant have a rational conversation like men do. They are not dateable by men who know their value. They completely lack self awareness and have been gaslight by people around them that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:01 PM
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Womens primary goal is to feel safe. If you cannot provide for her and her children she will never feel safe with you. Thus as a man it is your burden to climb the financial ladder to ensure that as a father you can provide for a family. Yes women are making good incomes, but they cannot override this biological programming. And what happens when they get pregnant and have to take time off work to properly care for children? You need to be able to do 100 percent. And its not just 100% to hit the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:20 PM
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The study I read said twice a week, which is a significant step up
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:15 PM
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Its not spending money that is the problem. Its how spending money comes across. if someone is genuinely rich and just wants to share something special with a girl she will like that. If she feels he is trying to buy sex she will get the ick and run away. Thus rich men with fuck you money can be extravagant and treat women with money. They have a dont care attitude about money and the frame is more 'you can enjoy this vacation with me or i can enjoy it myself' rather than 'please let me buy sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 12:40 PM
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It reduces risk because you can validate your partners traits to determine if he is a good partner and is genuine. If hes just looking for sex then he wont stick around. Its one of the reasons you should have higher standards for yourself and not give yourself up so easily. If hes just in it for sex he will find the exit door himself and show his true colors. If he has no interest in investing in you, then he will get angry at you for not putting out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:44 PM
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No. The red pill teaches men that early on in a relationship is when the terms are set. To use an analogy its like the rules that the relationship abides by. Kind of like a barter where both parties set their boundaries, set the expectations. This is just basic human nature. If you really think about every relationship you have is a barter. You trade your time and energy and in return set your expectations for what you want out of that relationship. If a red piller goes through the steps to be h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:03 AM
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Being more feminine makes you likely to emotionally / verbally manipulate and test men, which is how you gauge the quality of a man
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:38 AM
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As an otherwise successful guy. Engineer. Working in tech. I was a little overweight. I didn't care for materialism so didn't dress well. Well I lost the 30lb I had extra and hit the gym as a computer nerd extraordinaire. I went from not even managing to have a conversation with a women across all dating apps over the course of 4 fucking years to having sexual experience with two women within a month of updating my photos. Looks are the ONLY thing that matters. Women who say otherwise are ignora…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:55 PM
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