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Who are the women talking about the bar being low for mens look? I’ve not noticed that at all, only seen it in regards to their behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:21 PM
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I agree with the comment below this one but also wanted to add: I think a lot of men (and women as well) tend to overestimate how kind, caring, emotionally intelligent and vulnerable they truly are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:17 AM
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But it’s not irrelevant to that person, and that’s what matters. That’s why personal hierarchies make more sense - look for someone who checks the boxes for what you want, not what other people say you should want
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:14 AM
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I’ve never done scouts so I might be wrong, but I thought there was still one for each gender and then one mixed?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 08:35 PM
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Okay, let’s see then - boiled down and simplified: Less people are dating. Women are, on average, still happy as they find fullfilling friendships with each other instead of romantic relationships. Men are, on average, less happy and more lonely because they aren’t able to substitute romantic relationships with friendships, the same way women do. So if that’s the case, what would be a possible solution? I’m being genuine in this question, because I do care about men feeling lonely. I would want …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:07 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:01 PM
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No but literally: if men want groups specifically for men, why don’t men create these groups? How can it be womens fault that it doesnt exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:01 PM
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I love for men to be open with me about whatever struggles they have, as long as it’s not one-sided. I’ve had dates with men who realized they could talk to me about their problems, but then that’s all it was - them letting me be their therapist. I’m not into that at, and especially if I don’t know them too well
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:54 PM
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I’m in a Nordic country, which is also part of the west. I know there’s a huge culture gap, but throwing your hands up and saying “it’d never work” is just a shame. Be the change you want to see in the world and all that. I honestly didn’t see the specific video, because I see tons of similar ones on Instagram everyday, with the same comments from (mostly) men. If she’s crying about wanting a husband and children, yet doing nothing to achieve that life, then I agree there’s no point in posting i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:38 PM
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It’s definitely not gonna happen, if nobody fights to change things. I’m not from the US, and while men in my culture are not as open with emotions as women, they’re quite open - especially younger men. To many women, that’s not a turn off - and to the ones where it is, are they really someone you’d want to be in a relationship with? What bullshit behaviour are you talking about? Women shitting on men, I can agree that part sucks and should be called out. Women choosing to be single and childfre…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:47 PM
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“Constantly being reminded how wortheless I am as a man” You are not wortheless. Men are not worthless. I’m not gonna address the rest of your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:10 PM
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I don’t agree with your statement that the vast majority of women are misandrist, arrogant, entitled and disrespectful - even if they were, would that make the behaviour mentioned in this post okay? “Shocked to discover that people mock them” yeah, I think it makes sense to be shocked. Why would anyone expect others to mock them? Why are we okay with people mocking each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:08 PM
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Can you provide a source? I’m not on Twitter, so I wouldn’t know. If that’s the case, then that absolutely sucks. However, that’s not what this post is about and does not excuse the behaviour in this post. Can we agree that this type of behaviour is not okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:04 PM
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. There are definitely some women out there who insult men, and that’s not right either, but what does that have to do with this specific woman? We can agree that we would all benefit from a culture change where men are encouraged to share their emotions, but this behaviour does nothing to help with that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:02 PM
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I disagree with your idea that logic is clear here, and I will once again stop this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:42 PM
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I think it comes down to gendered differences. I’m a woman. If I want a relationship, my main reasons for that would not include “access to regular sex” because it’s not that difficult for me to find someone to have sex with. If I wanted a partner, it would ofc be someone I’d have sex with but sex is not one of the reasons I would want a partner. And it seems icky to me that it’s the reason someone else would, but I guess that’s not fair because a relationship is probably the only way some men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:08 AM
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I have lots of things to learn and I’m aware of that, I think you might be lacking the awareness that so do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:59 AM
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Omg stop stalking me you creep. I have nothing against sex, I just don’t want my vagina to be seen as my main value
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 03:26 PM
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You are not teaching me anything, because your idea of what is logic is not the one objective truth. It’s just how you understand it and I believe it is way to simple. You are talking at me not to me, so I hope you’re joking about the teacher part.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:56 PM
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I have finished this conversation and will not be responding to any more of your comments, don’t waste your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 09:34 PM
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Yes, it does. There is not only one true definition for a concept like being good. Read up on discourse theory if you want to continue this debate. You say your approach is purely logical - but to whom? My approach is logical as well. It’s logical that doing good actions but not having good intentions doesn’t make you good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 07:30 AM
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See, that’s why I didn’t want to have the debate with you - we obviously don’t share the same worldview. Also I never said anything that could make hitler good - it’s not only about intentions obviously, but intentions do matter. You have a different theoretical approach to language, that doesn’t mean your approach is necessarily the right one - that’s not how language works. But if we can’t even agree to disagree, then I’m done with this conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:34 PM
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Can I ask you if you’ve studied anything related to discourse, humanities or language? Because I get the sense that you haven’t, since you aren’t able to understand that “being good” can be a more abstract concept than just doing good deeds. Being good is not a natural thing, it’s a concept we, as humans, have created, based on our societal morals. How we understand what being good entails is not as simple as saying “it’s when people’s actions are good” and deciding this is the one, objectively …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:59 PM
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Why would I waste my time explaining it when you’re just gonna say it’s wrong, when clearly it’s not. You have a very black/white view of a concept that is not that. I’m not going to reply anymore, as we have different approaches to understanding the world, we’re not gonna find common ground
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 12:25 AM
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Already from the start we’ll disagree - you tell me to give my definition, but frame your question so that my definition HAS to fit into yours, which it doesn’t. It’s an abstract enough concept that it doesn’t have to be “verifiable” through actions, and a simple Google search is not gonna convince me of anything lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:49 AM
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Your way of defining being good is miles away from my definition. Let’s leave it at that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 09:07 AM
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They do not only care about looks - they care about looks and personality. If you can’t change anything at all about yourself to make yourself more appealing, and if you are not interested in doing an effort by meeting new people IRL, then you’re likely not going to suceed. Is it unfair that attractive people have to do less work? Maybe so, but that’s how it is - it’s how it is for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:34 PM
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I don’t know your background, I don’t know how old you are, what you’ve tried so far or anything about your personality, but I can say for sure that women do not ONLY care about looks. If you’re not good-looking, dating apps are hardly ever worth the effort, as you will not attract people based on your look, you need to go out and socialize in places where you’ll meet new people and give them a chance to see who you are. But if the attitude you have is that nothing matters, everythings out of yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:05 PM
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I get that must be super frustrating. I just want to make sure you know that if you stop being nice, you will not have any more succes than right now. Being nice is a bare minimum, the few obvious jerks who get dates do so because they look good, and it’s definitely not all, I’d say not even a lot of women who would date someone like that. Attraction does matter, and if you’re unattractive you’re going to have a harder time dating than others. You’ll have to either find ways to improve your appe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 10:15 PM
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I’m sure I don’t, but I’m trying to. But I also don’t think you understand how women feel. To some women, they’ll put with shit from an attractive man - most women I know, would not. Where do you expect to get messages? And from who? Women do get messages more often than men, also unattractive women, but 90% of these messages are garbage, just men looking for a human fleshlight. They don’t care how you look, who you are, as long as you have a vagina. It’s not a nice experience. Your family cares…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 07:52 PM
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Being nice is not only good when it comes to dating, but lets assume this conversation is only about dating. Being nice does matter. Many women will prefer and attractive and nice man. Some women are also into not as attractive by social standards men, so then they can choose from these men: a nice one or a not nice one. They will choose the nice one. So it does matter, but no it’s likely not gonna get you picked over the nice attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 07:32 PM
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No I did not. Women are not one person, they’ll value different things depending on their personality. I responded using your own logic, because I was making a point. The point being that being nice always gives you an advantage over other people who are the same level of attractive as you who are not nice. Being nice is not enough to get a date, it’s the bare minimum
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 07:13 PM
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Well, if you’re not getting dates it’s not because you are being nice. You’re probably right that it might be because you’re not attractive, but being unattractive and not nice does not make it easier, that’s my point
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 06:52 PM
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Would you rather date someone: Attractive and nice or average and nice? If you’re average and not nice (which many average men I’ve met fit) then it’s gonna be even harder. It really takes very little to be nice, it’s easy, do you really only wanna be nice if it can get you dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 06:34 PM
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I plan to only discuss and debate with people who come from the starting point that men and women are equal human beings. Many people I’ve debated with who use the same words as you, do not in fact view women as being equal value as men. I’m not gonna debate with anyone whose starting point is that I’m not their equal, and therefore everything I say has less value. You might not be one of the people who thinks like this, but I’ve wasted too much time discussing with these people. Now I’ve also s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:12 AM
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Based on my experience with incels, they do not value women as human beings. I’m not saying you specifically share the same thoughts or values, but I’ve wasted enough time discussing with people who do, and I don’t care to try and convince someone my value as a human isn’t determined by my gender. So maybe you don’t think that way, but the rhetoric you use come from a group where most hold this belief, therefore it’s easier for me to back out now despite not knowing you, rather than risk ending …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 09:20 AM
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What is the definition then? Is there even one for such an abstract concept? If you’re okay with treating people badly if it got you what you wanted, then you’re not a good person - I stand by that. Because what you’re saying is that given the chance, you’d do actions that make you bad to gain what you want, but since you don’t get the chance you don’t do them. That means you don’t really care about doing the right things morally, you’re just not in a position to do something else
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 09:17 AM
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I’m not gonna disagree with you because I don’t but I think the comment is quite off topic regarding the debate on wheter only attractive men are making too many sexual advances on first dates and dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:21 PM
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Nothing you’ve said is objectively true, and the reason I do not want to argue with someone who uses incel rhetoric is because I know they already do not acknowledge me as an equal human being. There’s not point in debating with someone who truly believes I’m less because of my gender
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:55 PM
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It’s not to do with looks at all, it’s to do with intentions. I’d say I’m below average, which might explain it, but in my experience it’s all kinds of men who want to just have sex. Like, it doesn’t have to do with their looks at all, and if we follow the thoughts in here, it’s likely that most of the men also aren’t more interested in genuine relationships just because they’re below or average, but they’ll do it because their options to have casual sex are much slimmer. Doesn’t stop them from …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:53 PM
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We don’t think all men are rapists, but we don’t know who is. We don’t know strangers and it’s not like rapists just give away their identity as one. A woman you’ve had a child with is presumably someone you know enough to have an idea if she could have cheated or not. It’s not a good comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:44 PM
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As a woman who have experience with unattractive men, I’m just speaking from what I’ve seen. They are just as into casual sex as attractive men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 12:27 PM
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They do not. It’s fine if someone doesn’t want a relationship, but either: This person is only interested in relationships and would like the men who aren’t to pursue others instead, or They’d actually be fine with having casual sex at times, as long as the men were honest about their intentions and it wasn’t the first thing they brought up. I do casual sex, and also on the first date, but never if it’s brought up before the date or if they expect it to happen. I need to go on the date to see if…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:05 AM
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Unattractive men are the same
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:59 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:56 AM
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It doesn’t make you a bad person to want to attract women. But if you’d give up being a good person to do that, then you aren’t a good person. If you’re thoughts are that you’d be okay with being a bad person, as long as you get women, then you’re not actually good
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:37 AM
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I’m not gonna debate with someone using incel rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:36 AM
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You never responded to how many times it’s actually worked for you. I don’t speak for all women, but every time there’s a debate on the topic, you’ll see that women share this opinion So if a woman has nothing to offer you, why would you even approach her? There’s a difference to what you want and what I want - You want to impose yourself on others. I want to be left alone. What I want is bothering no one else, while what you want will bother others. It’s selfish af
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:33 AM
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Orrrr maybe some guys are attractive AND nice. Most attractive guys I know are plenty nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:02 PM
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Then you are already not a good person, so there’s nothing to trade with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:01 PM
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So, how many times has it worked out for you? Even women who aren’t looking to date are still looking to NOT date while doing daily errands. It’s freaking annoying when you aren’t able to walk down the street without being checked out and viewed as a possible date by strangers. If I’m wearing AirPods while waiting for the bus, it means I do not want to talk to anyone, least of all men who are trying to ask me out. I can’t believe that men think their right to disturb someone else is greater than…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:00 PM
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But that’s not how it is though. Most partnered people I know are not shitheads
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 10:44 PM
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Wow, well done. Every man is contributing to building society AS is every woman. You are delusional if you think all of these things would collapse without men, and I’m not gonna waste my time debating with you if that is your honest beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 10:41 PM
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What are you on about? I don’t believe that many of the men in this subreddit are good men - most seem to hate women, and only want access to a vagina. What is this false claim and misinformation? What am I lying about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:00 PM
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With that kind of rhetoric, I hope no one woman is unlucky enough to take interest in you. That’s disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:58 PM
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Lol, no. I think men deserve happiness. I also think it’s possible to find happiness, while still being a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:55 PM
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Yes, and good men do get laid lol. As someone else said: it’s not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:55 PM
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I do think people deserve happiness, but I think it’s important to be a good person, otherwise you’ll impose on others happiness. Do I think you have to buy flowers and be a gentleman? No, but I do think you need to be kind and respectful. It’s the bare minimum imo. I know some assholes manages to get women, but if you’d really be okay with being an asshole, you weren’t ever nice in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:54 PM
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Because being a good person is more important than attracting women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:21 PM
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It is, of course it is. But it’s not enough on it’s own
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:59 PM
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I just don’t get what you expect to get out of approaching women who are just going to work, not looking to date. Has that ever worked lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:48 PM
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Who is doing that though? What I see is men complaining that women want equal opportunities to do high paying boss-jobs, but not enough women want to work in construction
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:47 PM
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That’s a very mild example. It’s got more to do with making sexist comments towards women that men seem to consider a joke, while women don’t. It’s not a good working enviroment for women and if men really want more women in construction, they need to realize thay
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:54 PM
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I’m not sure where from that I’m supposed to gather that you specifically are desirable or not. Did you follow that strategi yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:53 PM
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Before I read the research in your other comment, I will reply to this: I don’t think it’s wise to listen to an audiobook or podcast when you’re taking care of children and, Even if they could, that still sounds like a very unfulfilling and lonely life (to me at least, I can’t speak for everyone) It’s a bigger issue than just that - There might be more men working harder, but there’s so many social structures that’s making it hard for women to put in as much work (not being approved of at work, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:52 PM
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I’ve just got off from work, and this message is a lot to reply to, sorry about that. I really struggle to believe that men make up half of rape victims - I will reach the research you provided, but I doubt it will convince me. I’m not neglecting the fact that men are abused and raped - and that’s awful, just as awful as when it happens to women. I’m gonna read the research you’ve provided, because it’s difficult for me to reply to the rest of your comment without having read it. As for your que…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:46 PM
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The help they want is for the structure to change enough to allow women access to these jobs. Do you not see that there’s been an issue with women, despite being as qualified, were never able to get these positions? I would never say we need 50/50 anywhere, but if there’s any place it should be 50/50, it’d be in the high-power positions as the ones you mention, not because of the money but because I think it’s healthier for society to have all genders represented in the top. With that said, I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:40 AM
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Are you even reading what I’m writing? What I said about misogony is based on a societal debate going on right now where I am. And as I said - I recognize that there might be similar issues in women dominanted fields. Office jobs are not usually female-dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:27 AM
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I claim that many women who want to be construction workers, will refrain from it because the workplaces are often misogynists. I don’t think offices being misandrists is a thing or that it keeps men away. I’m not saying no where is - I imagine in the healthcare section and in kindergardens/early education where most workers are women, it’d make a less nice enviroment for men to work. That’s an issue we also should fix, just as we should deal with the misogyni in certain male-dominanted fields.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:21 AM
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I’ve not seen that, I’m curious where you do. I’m in on the “men is not an oppressed group” crowd, and I agree with that based on societal and structural power, but men can definitely experience sexism and feminism should be against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:19 AM
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I’m in scandinavia, it’s probably cultural. It absolutely is exhausting and demanding, partly because it’s boring. It’s not “sit-around-and-do-nothing” boring, it’s “mentally-on-doing-boring-housework” boring. Not all women think that of course, but most I know do. But women would work just as hard to be in the top. The women that want the top tier jobs, do as much work for it as the men who want them. Feminism is a movement for equality, but as persons there’s only so many issues you can work o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:18 AM
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Of course they want the high-paying jobs, just as men would prefer. I don’t understand the argument that they should also want construction jobs - a few do, but even so: We’re not saying every job needs to be 50/50. We’re just saying there needs to be equal opportunities. Do you think construction workers and plumbers take those jobs because otherwise society would collapse? I doubt that’s their reason. If it was an issue and no one wanted to, I think we should find some more reason for both gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:12 AM
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Of course they deserve empathy and help. If more guys want to do an education but are struggling too, we should definitely help them, I never claimed we shouldn’t. This comment was just a response to a comment saying that not all men can work in an office - which is true! And not all men would like to. If they would like to, they do need to seek out the proper education. Should we have more help available for the ones struggling? Yes. Should we revolutionize the school system so both genders but…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:20 AM
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Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but where I’m from it’s very few women who work part time because of children. SAHMs is not a thing at all, hasn’t really been. It’s so boring when it’s assumed that women should be the one to work less and be home with the kids - some might enjoy it, but many find it super boring. And of course not all women work equally hard, but the ones who go for top tier jobs do,otherwise they wouldn’t be getting these jobs. And I agree with your point on teaching positions for…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:16 AM
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I’m sure there are some women who don’t want men in female-dominanted fields, but those aren’t feminist. Of course it goes both ways or it’s not equality
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:13 AM
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Okay, so I read all of that and I’m just wondering… do you actually think it’ll work though? Do you really think you’ll attract a woman, by approaching her in a non-appropriate setting, especially if you aren’t desirable at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:10 AM
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Now I see your point, and I actually mostly agree. There are structural things that make it harder for women than men to suceed in certain ways, however not so much that it’s all mens fault if a woman don’t suceed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:08 AM
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I’m not necessarily gonna disagree with you, because dating is hard. It’s a longer debate that I’m not up for, but what I said here still stands: while you personally don’t, many men insist that they should be able to approach women and ask them out in public spaces, and that’s an issue. If you’re at a social place, gone out to hang out with people, it’ll generally be alright - if you spot a woman waiting for the bus, shopping or whatever else while minding her own business, that is not an invit…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 10:39 PM
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That is equality exactly, and I’m just kinda concerned that you think all the losers are men and that losing will be completely new to women. Your life isn’t just good and comfortable when you’re a woman, you do know that right? We don’t want “the male experience”, we want a unisex experience, equal opportunities for all genders when it comes to society based structures
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 10:36 PM
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In which I was responding to a comment claiming that not all men can do Office jobs because of limited availability. I was saying that if men want office jobs, they need to do the training to get them, which many do and therefore many men have office jobs. It was not a claim that men are not in office jobs, but that if men that are not would like to be, they need to pursue that through their education. Both of my points still stand
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 10:20 PM
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There’s plenty of men in offices, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:53 PM
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Women are different individuals, just like men are. Some women are tough by nature, some are not. The point of this is all the men in this thread complaining that there aren’t enough women in construction jobs, when men in construction jobs are keeping women out. Like.. do you want us to do hard labour or not? Make up your mind
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:23 PM
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Okay, so how are you contributing to building the society? Also you’re contradicting yourself: Women can’t help build society, but they are also not oppressed? Make it make sense please.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:21 PM
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YES, we want to play the same lottery. Not a lot of people are gonna be multibillionares, no - but you do have a say in how your life unfolds. It’s not either being the top 1% or the bottom. You have options, and that’s what women also want, and luckily have gotten closer to having. How do you think women’s lives are different, apart from having been kept from mens positions by societal norms? What do you imagine a woman’s life to be like, that is so much better than the average man?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:20 PM
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Yeah, sounds good! Let’s agree to just do that then. The women who don’t do the approaching can just be single, and the women who want to walk the streets in peace can do that. I do not see the issue here
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:17 PM
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They are not, and I’m not saying there’s any laws stopping you from making advances towards strangers. But when women again and again tell you that they don’t like for men to do that, why do men insist on doing it anyways? The men who defend other men doing it, are showing great disregard for women’s feelings, which I guess should not be surprising, however it is disappointing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:15 PM
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I know. Men continue to make sexual advances in public spaces, when women have repeatedly told them they don’t want that. And then men are upset when women tell them men suck
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:14 PM
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I’m done debating with you, if you truly believe men are more qualified than women in general. If a man’s only option is to become a plumber, then he needs to either do that or do the work that lets him become something else. Women are not just secretaries, women do high academic educations just as men, and are just as qualified for higher positions. Not ALL women, just as it’s not ALL men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:43 PM
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Why do you think that? I think if we try to be nice and respect each other, we’ll be a lot happier. Karens and women who freak out when men show sexual interest in them are two different things. I’m telling you, as a woman, it’s exhausting that I’m not allowed to just exist in the world, without having men sexualize me - When I’m smoking outside my apartment, when I’m getting groceries, when I’m waiting for the bus - I’m literally just trying to live my life, and I’m not interested in being appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:41 PM
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Women get office positions because they are qualified for them and it’s good to have a workplace of both men and women. You can’t force someone to do a job they don’t want to, but there are many ways to make a plumber workplace more appealing to women, if you truly wanted more women to be plumbers. Then some of the men there could work at nursing homes or daycares, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:38 PM
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Freedom of speech is the freedom to say whatever you want (with limitations) not a right to approach others. It’s also not illegal to approach others, but when women ask men not to approach them on the street, why do they still do it? Life can be uncomfortable, but why shouldn’t we try and make it as comfortable for anyone ad possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:36 PM
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If men want office positions, they should educate themselves to get them, just as women also do. Men are not choosing to be plumbers or ditch diggers as a favour to society, they are doing it because it’s a job and they fit the requirements. If nobody wanted to do plumbing anymore, yeah we’d have a problem - but that’s not where we’re at right now. It’s also the truth, at least where I’m from. It’s something that’s heavily debated on the news, with many men coming forward and being honest about …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:34 PM
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Yes, they want the option to do the same as men - And they’ll work as hard as the top tier men to get the top tier jobs. If work places in construction were less misogynist, maybe more women would wanna work there
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:27 PM
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To that I’d say nobody is entitled to hit on a stranger or make someone else uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:26 PM
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They would be more than welcome to, in the right setting and in the right way. However, a lot of men are unable to do that - they approach women on the street, throw sexualized comments in their faces and make women uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:18 PM
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Of course not. I don’t want people to ignore me, but I want strangers to stop interacting with me in the way they do because they think they can get me to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:00 PM
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They want to have the same options as men in society, and not be told that they should do x or y simply because they are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:59 PM
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It is like that because of societal norms. Women do those things too, but in smaller numbers because we raise boys and girls differently. Where I’m from, there’s sadly also a lot of misogony in construction, which means women don’t want to be in that workplace. You realize that the reason men in older times build most of society, was because women weren’t allowed, right? Also even if they did, it’s not all men today who contribute to this, so I don’t understand why some men today act like they p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:03 PM
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I really don’t think they are, but it’s mindblowing when men think they’ve singlehandedly created the world we live in. Especially when they were born in the last fifty years and had nothing to do with any inventions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 11:11 AM
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I stopped reading when you stated how everything we know today is invested by or build by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 10:18 AM
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Why not go ahead and do that then? Find someone who’ll settle for your money and leave the rest of us alone
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 06:13 PM
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Who said that it should?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:11 PM
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But who said anything about chasing after someone JUST based on sexual attraction? Wasn’t the original point that both things are important?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:10 PM
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Amen :’)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:45 AM
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I’m from Europe, live in a capital city. I definitely think it’s an urban thing - We have so much to do all the time, so many things to do and see and so many people to hang out with. I think to many people who live like I do there is nothing appealing about traditional relationships/families, but my family is from a small town and my siblings who still live there are all married
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:43 AM
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Look, as women we encourage you to get your AI sexrobots. If they are fulfilling enough for you, that’s great! Contrary to what many men here believe, we don’t want men to be unhappy, just because we don’t want to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:36 AM
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That’s not the point though. Lets assume they are the way they are, and satisfied with that. You don’t have to settle for these women, but the fact is that eliminating all these will make it harder for you to experience succes in dating, in case you’re just average yourself. And there’s nothing wrong with having standards, as long as you’re okay with the chance that it’ll lead to being single forever
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:26 AM
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and I disagree. I think we should all be aware that our actions affect others, and if they tell us something we do makes them uncomfortable, we should try and accomodate that. But now We’re going around in circles so let’s agree to disagree. It’s not a huge surprise after all
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:21 PM
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We do care about mental health. But that doesn’t mean we have to date someone we’re not compatible with. There are women who have similar issues, and also women who prefer staying home, who are not super outgoing and so on - they’d likely be a match. I wouldn’t put off dating a man just because he has mental health issues - if those issues leads to him being very anxious and a homebody and not very social, then we are not compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:17 PM
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I’m in favour of listening to when other people tell you that what you’re doing is making them uncomfortable, and then stopping that behaviour, even if I personally wouldn’t feel uncomfortable had the roles been reversed
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:12 PM
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Yes, that’s also true. Which is why some men also wouldn’t like being approached by a stranger at dusk in a secluded area. It’s just something you shouldn’t do
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:09 PM
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But every man IS a potential rapist, that’s the thing. You can’t tell if someone has good intentions or not, that’s why time and place matters in case you really want to cold-approach women (which I’d advice against but anyways) If a woman doesn’t know you, how is she supposed to know if you want to harm her? If you’ll take rejection well? Most men do not rape or harm women, but we don’t know who do and who don’t. So it does make us uncomfortable to be approached by a stranger in a secluded area…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 12:57 PM
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I’m sorry that you’re not, that sucks. To me it seems quite logical that no one would like to be approached by a stranger when they’re alone at dusk in a secluded area, and I’m not a very anxious person at all. To me this is not innocent behaviour, while the intention might be, he is putting his wants (to ask a stranger out) above someone elses (to not feel uncomfortable) and I think that sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 12:43 PM
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Ahh okay, so you’re a misogynist. Womens experiences aren’t valid, they’re just insane, got it. It was not stating that you do that, it was general advice. Though honestly with the way you double down, and think about women, I’d be surprised if you haven’t made some women uncomfortable already. Feel free to think that me debating this issue with you makes me creepy, I don’t concern myself with what misogynists think of me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 12:41 PM
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Look at the replies from women on here. Do you think all of them are neurotisk basketcases? When THIS MANY women tell you that this behaviour makes them uncomfortable, don’t double down and make it their problem. Listen, and stop doing things that make others uncomfortable The point is also that you don’t KNOW if you’re in danger or not. It’s not an irrational fear
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:06 AM
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It’s not very friendly to approach a woman alone in a parking lot at dusk. Maybe listen to all the women here telling you that it makes them nervous and uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:05 AM
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Possibly, but I’m not gonna carry that on me. No one is gonna commit suicide solely based what I say or think. While it might add to something ongoing, it’s not on me in the end. I’m happy to support people but I’m not gonna baby men who are treating women inappropriately
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:04 AM
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It doesn’t say they don’t want that label because it’s strong though. Even if I don’t think it’s a strong word, it’s obviously bad and people don’t want to be considered creepy, which makes sense. But if they can’t approach women without fearing they’ll seem creepy, they probably just shouldn’t. I’m not gonna continue this discussion, because clearly we’re not gonna come to an agteement. I realize it’s not nice to be called creepy, but it’s also not nice to be cold-approached in different situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:02 AM
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Same examples apply. At the bar, I might say a guy is creepy if he keeps approaching me when I’ve turned him down. I might tell my friends that someone from uni is creepy if he keeps approaching me, or if he texts me about something unrelated several times when I’ve rejected him
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:55 PM
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I don’t find creepy to be a very strong insult. And I think it sounds like she dealt with that situation perfectly - she said no, then vented to her friend
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:53 PM
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Perfect, we agree then :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:40 PM
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Yeah, of course they are. I never said anything else, I just said if you don’t want to be considered creepy, don’t cold approach women at dusk in a parking lot
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:38 PM
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I’ve already made my point in another comment, it still stands if you’re just slightly above average
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:37 PM
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he reason I ask is because generally attractive people of both gender get away with a lot of things. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it is what it is. You can’t expect the same treatment if you’re not attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:35 PM
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The reason I ask is because generally attractive people of both gender get away with a lot of things. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it is what it is. You can’t expect the same treatment if you’re not attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:34 PM
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Definitely not, and I am not responsible for anyone deciding not to live anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:32 PM
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But are you good looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:30 PM
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He’s partly to blame for it being creepy now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:26 PM
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I mean, I’d give different advice but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:25 PM
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The problem is no can tell your intentions if they don’t know you. So I think it’s actually helpful to people who are not super aware, if we let them know what behaviours would be considered creepy by women, and then they’ll know what not to do if they don’t want that thought about them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 04:30 PM
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Yeah, so the safe bet is to not approach women who are alone at dusk in a parking lot. You can approach them in many other places. Maybe a few would have reacted positively, but it’s the minority and it’s not worth the risk of making someone uncomfortable/nervous
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 03:41 PM
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If you read my other reply to your comment, I gave you three examples already. How I interpret a word depends heavily on the situation. In some situations, yes I’d think creepy could be = possibly predator. In some situations it could be = lack of social awareness. Language is a lot more fluid than you want to acknowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 03:40 PM
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We’ll just have to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 03:39 PM
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No, lacking social skills is when you won’t acknowledge that there is a time and place to chat up a stranger, and other times and places not to. As you can clearly tell from this thread, women dislike being approached by stranger when alone in a parking lot at dusk, it’s quite easy to read the room and not do that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 03:38 PM
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Why should I? Just leave women alone and it’ll likely happen at some point. We agree that it’s dusk, if it’s that time. I see what you’re saying, but she has every right to tell the scenario as she experienced it. She thought it was creepy, and she chose to explain it like that. The thing you don’t get it as that some men dl not take rejection well. And as a woman, we don’t know who these men are. So one might approach us, and be cool when we say no, but we don’t know that until it happens, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 09:27 AM
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Example 1: I’m at work at the bar. A woman tells me a guy is being creepy. I’d keep an eye on him, but that doesn’t mean I assume he’s a predator. Example 2: I’m talking to my friends about a guy at our studies. She says I know him from X, I think he’s creepy, he once said/did Y. I would not assume he was a predator, I would assume he acts in a way that makes people uncomfortable. Example 3: I’m out with a group of people. One starts hitting on a woman who turns them down. They keep at it. I’d t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 09:23 AM
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The DEFAULT interpretation might as well be my definition, not yours. He definitely would be keeping an eye out, I’m a bartender and I definitely would, but that doesn’t mean I’d treat the person worse until I saw what it was about. And no, if my friends told me someone is creepy, I would not think he was a predator. I’d think that if they told me he was a predator. If they said he was creepy, I’d think he was making them uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 09:21 AM
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Yes. And I stand by that, even though your version of creepy is = being considered a possible predator. I’m definitely not a basement dweller, and I do not think it’s socially appropriate to approach people in general in public. There are certain places where this would be okay - a parking lot is not it. It might have been socially accepted, it isn’t anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 09:18 AM
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It is a word to describe predators, it is also a word to describe people that you do not suspect are predators, but who are acting creepy. In that scenario, the bartender will likely keep an eye out and only kick him out if he is indeed acting creepy. You do not have to molest someone to be considered creepy, it also happens if you don’t respect other peoples boundaries and make them uncomfortable. In this situation, creepy is a strong word. In other situations, it’s not as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:39 AM
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Yes. Most women also do not like cold-approaching, especially in places where they are not open to conversation, e.g. when in a parking lot alone at dusk. You can pursue women without going up to a literal stranger in a parking lot at dusk and asking them out. There’s loads of other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:26 AM
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How do you determine that? I’d say that while most normal people talk to other people, they’d also feel uncomfortable if they were being approached while alone in a parking lot when it’s getting dark. The second part you’re responding to is not part of my comment, but no - that is not how most people meet. I have a lot of friends, none of them I’ve met randomly on the street. I’ve dated a lot of people too, none of them I’ve randomly met on the street. I think there is a time and space where it …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:24 AM
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I think you’re overestimating how strong of a word creepy is. Your definition of creepy is not necessarily the true one; for me creepy can be a lot of things and it definitely doesn’t only apply to predators. I think most women who use creepy do not do it to liken someone to a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:20 AM
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Nope, there are many other issues you’ll experience due to racism. These were just the obvious one to point out, since no one was ever enslaved or killed for being short
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:04 AM
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So don’t cold-approach women in the whole of America, easy solve
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:01 AM
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You say “I’ll answer though” and then proceed not to
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:59 AM
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Why do you think you have the right to social interactions that women state clearly they do not want? All the women in this thread are saying they don’t want to be approached and asked out in a parking lot where they’re alone. How difficult is it to say “ok, I respect that and will not do that”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:58 AM
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It’s a normal feeling to be alert when a stranger approaches you in a parking lot when it’s getting dark and you’re alone, with no where to run away. It has nothing do with anxiety, and is a very normal feeling - you might not have it, but most if not all women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:56 AM
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Yeah, so the thing is.. if you act in a way that makes other people uncomfortable, that makes you creepy. It’s your actions, no matter the intent, that will make women (and others) see you as creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:52 AM
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No one said they felt felt like they were lowkey almost assaulted, they said that this situations is uncomfortable and the man is creepy for not understanding that it would make them uncomfortable. That’s a fair assesment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:51 AM
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It would also be creepy for an attractive man to do that, in a parking lot at night. Ted Bundy vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:44 AM
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Yes, but it’s not comparable. One, possibly both, might make dating harder, while the other affects you in nearly every aspect of life. There aren’t active hate groups that try and take away the rights from short men, or excuse violence towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 10:26 PM
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For men, not specifically short men and likely not based solely on the fact that they are short. People are killed for being not-white
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 10:23 PM
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You’re right - If you go to my comment history, you’ll see I responded to that exact argument in another thread, and then I’ve managed to get them mixed up. That’s my mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:20 PM
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What historically happened can be relevant, but it does not have to determine what is and how it is today. So it USED to be for men, back when men were in charge and women had no rights, but luckily now we have got to a point where most of the world realize that the genders are equal human beings. It’s disgusting that there still men out there who think they are or should be in control of what women can and can’t do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:18 PM
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As in: racism and treating people of certain heights differently are both wrong, but they are wrong in different ways
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:53 PM
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I’m sorry to hear that, that sucks. Even so, I think it’s two seperate issues that do not compare well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:53 PM
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Universities, schools and workplaces - You want them back? That means you think that this (HUGE) part of society belongs to men and is something you can allow women to participate in. Why do you think that? That’s what I’m questioning. Why do you believe men own these things, and women are only allowed to use it because men let them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:26 PM
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Nothing like that, you’re very welcome to discuss the challenges that average men face in dating, and I’m not neglecting their issues. But saying that being rejected because of ones height is similar to racism is completely whack
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:15 PM
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Yes, but not for short men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:14 PM
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Please stop comparing dating problems with racism. One leads to lack of sex/intimacy, the other to violence and death
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 11:43 AM
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Why do you think men own the world? Why do you think you own everything and have the power to let women do or not do things?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 11:41 AM
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Right, but racism got you enslaved and killed. Being short made your dating life harder. It’s insanity to try and compare the two
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 08:08 AM
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Relating it to racism 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 05:00 PM
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You can be ugly and confident, it still makes you more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 09:11 AM
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I have a lot of hobbies, arguing with strangers online is evidently one of them :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:53 PM
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Yes, that doesn’t have anything to do with my happiness hah. I’m not faking concern, though my concern disappears the moment I’m talking to a misogynist. No woman deserves to be caught up in that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:28 PM
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It is absolutely wild to me that you’re so confident in your insane beliefs and your misogony. I’m not gonna waste anymore time talking to someone who thinks I’m subhuman. I feel so bad for the women in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 03:10 AM
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I have three sisters and two brothers. I’m a woman myself. What I learned is that people of the same gender are widely different. Two of my sisters got married at 22, and are still married to the same men. The third one is more like me, but she’s also married now. My older brother is single and has been for most his life, and I see why. He’s very entitled and demanding, and doesn’t have a lot of emphaty. He expects women to be one certain way, and cater to him, which I get why no woman wants to.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:54 PM
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What’s the point in living if we have to have children that we don’t want and live a life we don’t like? Then the children can do the same and so it goes on. Why would I waste the life I have on being unhappy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 01:47 PM
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I never said I was unique or different, you’re the one maling those claims. I know plenty of people who feel like me. Also big yikes to the rest of your comment. The world is not mens, and women are not a subcategory who only exists because you allow it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 01:46 PM
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That’s bullshit. If it were true, life would be 10x simpler for many people. Just because you have a strong biological pull to do something, does not mean others do as well - it has nothin to do with anyone being special
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:23 AM
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Have the day you deserve as well :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 01:50 PM
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How am I putting words in your mouth though? I am only replying based on what you write.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 01:49 PM
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And not everybody has yours either. Friendships only dwindle if you let them, and expecting that gaining a partner will eventually mean losing your friends, is sad imo. We can leave it at that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 01:47 PM
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How was I supposed to know what you meant, when you at the same time said it’s natural to not have times for friends by then? I think we’ll just have to disagree. My friends are there in important moments of my life, both the single and partnered ones. I live with one of my best friends, so I’m not lonely at night or in the morning either, and if I was, she’s right there. I’m not saying my lifestyle would make just anyone happy, but I do think friends are a lot more important than a lot of peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 01:20 PM
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Women don’t need a man, women aren’t the only ones struggling and they aren’t struggling because they are women. They’re struggling because of the financial crisis, which is affecting mostly everyone, also couples. A man is not gonna be the “saviour” in this scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:52 PM
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What makes you thing they are not happy? What about having cats/dogs and travelling links to being unhappy? What do you think “the right path” is and why do you think it is the same for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:37 PM
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Why? If women are happy being “career bitches” why do you not want them to be? Career women are not miserable, and calling them bitches is not okay. I would love for you all to leave us alone, because you are actively trying to take away our choices, and force us to live a way we don’t want to, because YOU want a woman to service you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:16 PM
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Why though? Why do you need either of those reactions? You can just not care about them, lol. Let them live their life. You don’t need to take my advice if you don’t want it, I’m just telling you that if you’re not experiencing love and care in your friendships, then they aren’t real friendships lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:09 PM
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Why do you hate single career women? Having a cat or dog does not mean you are sad. Being single doesn’t mean you are sad. Also where did the anti-depressant comment come from? Do you really think people are depressed are so because they don’t have a partner? Just because you haven’t experienced great friendship, does not mean that others can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:02 AM
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You said “people don’t have time for friends anymore(…)” And then you go on saying that you want a partner because they would be exclusive to you and prioritize you - I think that’s part of the problem. If you expect your partner to spend their time exclusively on you and be available to you at all times, then obviously they will not have time for friends, which really isn’t healthy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:00 AM
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Yeah, so I’m not gonna comment on your mental state, but I’m just gonna say that what you’re experiencing is not what I’d consider the norm. Most people like to hang out with their friends fairly often, and that’s why it seems crazy to me that they’d be alright to just let those friends go just because they got a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 08:52 AM
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Women don’t want a man who is only interested in them because they are “young and hot” - Women want a man who views them as a person. Also why is it that “men bringing something to the table = career and money” while “women bringing something to the table = you’re and appearence”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 08:46 AM
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And to that I can only say again, I don’t think you’ve experienced real friendships then, otherwise friends would mean something more to you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 08:40 AM
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I disagree. I don’t get the obsession with having a partner, over anything else. I also don’t experience loneliness, but that’s because I have a lot of friends. If I had a partner, but not my friends, I’m 90% sure I’d be more lonely than I am now. In the end, different people want different things - but if your friends drop you the moment they get a partner, or you expect to do that to them when you get a partner, then I don’t think you’ve experienced true friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 08:04 AM
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What an awful way to talk about women, or other people in general
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:40 PM
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I agree completely
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:33 PM
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Men say they are lonely, socializing with friends combat loneliness. But maybe it’s because they’re not really lonely, they’re just horny? Or maybe they do just want a romantic connection, which is fair as well, but if that’s out of reach which it sometimes is for a period of your life, making and hanging out with friends is a lot better than isolating and getting bitter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:32 PM
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I’m sorry, but the mindset that once you get a partner, you should stop having friends and just hang out together is soooo toxic. I can not for the life of me imagine a more sad life than only socializing with a partner/immediate family
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:30 PM
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Women*
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:24 PM
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Woman*
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:23 PM
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Who are you to decide what are right and wrong things to prioritize. Men and women should both be allowed to live their life however they want, settling down or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 01:15 PM
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I think it speaks to the fact that not many men consider themselves or their friends to be below average, even when they likely are
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:24 AM
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Which they might not be able to anything about. That doesn’t mean they will never be able to date, but if they are unattractive AND struggle with the things I’ve listed, it’s gonna be very difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:01 AM
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You can’t ask that in such broad terms. Different men have different reasons why attracting women is difficult. Something I think a lot have on here have in common is: Not much of a social life in general, a not-so-great view on women, and not satisfied with their lives, but doing nothing to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:48 AM
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Why wouldn’t women support it? Believe it or not, most of us wish others well, even if they’re strangers and undesirable to us. If it can make some men happier, that’s great! I’m happy for them. It’s not harming me in any way, so why would I be upset?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:26 PM
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I don’t categorize people by rp logic and tinder works just fine for the same purpose
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:58 PM
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Why do you think it doesn’t benefit women to have casual sex? Many women have a sex drive as well, and want to explore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:42 AM
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Not the average man, but the man who does it is likely average. Meaning: average men can leave bad impressions on women as well
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 06:12 PM
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“Men are trash” doesn’t necessarily come from rejection or being treated badly by a (sexual) partner. It comes from all interactions with men, including average Joes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:26 PM
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You wrote females. It’s called women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:11 PM
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Do you really think the women who are referred to as trophy wives would be considered bums if single?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:11 AM
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So what are you doing personally? Not guys in general, but you. What do you do in life to make yourself more attractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:10 AM
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Women*
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:52 AM
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Really doesn’t, no. Having a social life is really not unattainable standards
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:50 AM
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If that was the truth, then why did the other commenter say that the ex wife weren’t close with the other women? There are plenty of single men who are part of social circles
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:14 PM
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It’s not the same thing, no. It doesn’t matter if they were friends or not, they are not keeping him out because he is single. They are keeping him out because he’s an ex partner of someone in that social circle. Again: if he came back with a new partner, do you honestly think they would allow him in?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:28 AM
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We are disagreeing on their reasoning for shutting him out. You say it’s because he became single, I say it’s because he was an ex partner of someone. And no, I am not saying that their behaviour is okay. I explicitly state in every comment I’ve made that I disagree with their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:25 AM
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We’ll have to disagree with that. Close or not close, if he’s the ex partner of someone in the social circle who they still ser, that would make it weird. I don’t agree with their choice, but it was not because he was single - if he came back with a new girlfriend, he still wouldn’t be allowed in
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:22 AM
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While I agree that their behaviour is shitty, this is different from the scenario you first put up. Their reluctance to let him in their social circle was not that he was single, but that he was an ex partner of one of their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:18 AM
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Are you struggling socially in general, or just when it comes to dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:00 AM
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That’s not my experience. I’m sorry if it’s yours, but I don’t agree that that’s a general thing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:53 AM
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Which is fair. But that’s not gonna change most women’s mindset on this. You might find some introverted women who don’t care
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:28 AM
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It’s different because dating is such a personal thing. You can pay women equally, because that’s not a personal thing. You can’t expect women to date or have sex with men they are not attracted to, that infringes on their personal rights
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:26 AM
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Maybe you’re right about that. World’s not fair. Very few women are into men who have no social life
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:23 AM
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Why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:21 AM
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If you think all a woman is good for is sex, then I feel bad for the women dating you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 11:29 PM
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I think many below average men see themselves as average
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 11:28 PM
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Thank you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:43 PM
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Lol, I don’t watch street interviews, they’re obnoxious
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:03 AM
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What do you mean he is the table? Do you think a man is the main character, while a woman is just a side character or what are you trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:01 AM
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I think some people are stuck in the past. Maybe it’s a cultural thing as well. I would not expect any of this from a man lol, I’m perfectly capable of making my own money, and yeah I would like to be treated to stuff sometimes but I’d do it back just as much. I don’t agree that these are things men do exclusively for women - I think it reflects what a traditional couple used to be, but for the you ger generation today, I don’t think it will be the same. Maybe for the conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:00 AM
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I’m not wasting more time talking to a misogynist. Have the life you deserve :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:29 PM
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I am confident that I am not less than a man, just because I’m not one. What you’re implying is that men are worth more in general, if a man and woman makes the same money, the woman should still be expected to clean and cook. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what I’m getting from your comments: You say “what else would a man gain from being with a woman” If so, I’ll say “what would that woman gain from being with that man”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:22 PM
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Not sure what you mean by that. So if I don’t make more money, then I’m not as good? Even if I make the same money?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:19 PM
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Sure, but that still does not make sense in regards to what I wrote. You’re saying a man wants to commit to someone who is not the same as him: Why would you assume I was the same as him? Why would you assume I was the a less good version of him? If a man only wants a relationship because he wants a partner to provide him with food and cleaning (and sex ofc) then yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:15 PM
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I don’t understand what you mean by that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:00 PM
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You think that women should clean the home and cook food for you, and you wouldn’t take them seriously if they didn’t. Then you say “unless they want to settle for a dude who doesn’t offer much” - How are you not that dude? What do you offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:57 PM
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As a woman: I don’t like cooking, I don’t like cleaning. I hate doing laundry. I find all that to be boring, time consuming chores. I do them because I have to. I have absolutely no interest in living with someone who’d expect me to do even more of that. I’m educated and will make my own money, I don’t need a man to work hard and provide for me. If I’m ever gonna date a man, it’d be because we were equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:54 PM
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“Dote on” how? What are men expected to do for their wives, that their wives don’t also do for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:51 PM
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I think there’s a culture thing here. What do you mean “most men are taking care of their entire family” - How are they doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:50 PM
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Controlling is also controlling what other people can and can’t wear
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:50 PM
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No, but that is the comment I am responding to, and if you are not arguing from the point of the original comment, then you are derailing the conversation and pulling my first comment out of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 09:01 PM
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Yes, and I have like minded people. I don’t prefer having few/little friend, I prefer a big and ever growing amount, so that’s what I prioritize. I’m absolutely not antisocial, I’m just not interested in a regular life of 9 to 5, hanging out with the same person everyday and absolutely no way would I want children. I have no clue how you got the idea that I’m antisocial, I’m with people most days, but it’s just different ones :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:32 PM
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The point is that while the top 20% might attract more women, there are many more still able to attract some women. Yes, some marriages are affected because one or the other is not attracted, but it’s not 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:30 PM
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Probably yes. But what does it matter if they’re happy together?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:30 PM
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I agree with your point but have to add that 80% of men are not single, maybe the top 20% is more attractive but it doesn’t mean the rest aren’t attractive to someone
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:00 PM
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It’s fair that you feel that way, but you can’t speak for everyone. I’m single and I’m happy. I have a tight friendgroup, and plenty of other social groups I spend a lot of time with. I don’t want a partner, I don’t want children. I’m not lonely, and I’m not unhappy. There’s no shame in wanting a partner, but when people Express that they are enjoying their single life, it often means that they are enjoying their single life. Not everyone wants the same, and that’s okay
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:10 AM
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I’m lumping it together because you have to be socially awkward to be outwardly misogynist and bitter. Probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:59 AM
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It’s likely because of gendered bias, but I don’t see the 6ft stereotype in action. I see more men complain about it, than I see women saying that’s what they want and the ones I’ve seen say it are the tiktok/Instagram influencers that average men aren’t going to be dating anyways. In other female spaces, I never see a serious criteria for the guy to be 6ft
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:12 AM
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I agree that it must suck to hear that from women, but many of the men who post here are not good men. They are misogynist, bitter and socially awkward. Being socially awkward does not make you bad, but it makes dating you difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:05 AM
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Well when the complaint or frustration is “women suck, because they only want to date chads and it’s their fault I’m single” then it’s very much blaming women. I wonder if you have an example of another way these men show frustration, which is the misconstrued to be blaming women when in reality it’s not that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:50 AM
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That’s a strange thing to say. Do you not want to? What makes you think it would be a better world without?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:48 AM
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I think we’re talking of two completely different scenarios. On one hand, we have the two people where the man develops feelings for a female friend, and is rejected, which makes it uncomfortable for him to be around her. On the other, and this is the nice guy: A man befriends a woman he is interested in sleeping with, treats her nicely and then gets mad when she rejects him. To her, this feels like he only ever valued her for the possibility of sex, and not her person. Whereas in the first scen…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:01 PM
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I don’t agree with your take after 6. Most people would absolutely understand if a man said “hey I respect that you don’t want to date me, but it makes me unhappy to be around you when you don’t share the same feelings” It’s the entitled behaviour that “nice guys” exhibition that make them “nice guys” - when they get mad or salty or blame the woman for not wanting to sleep with them. It’s completely fair to want to be romantic with someone, and not want to stay friends after being rejected. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:35 PM
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What do you mean they get nothing? They get friendship, social interaction and stuff like that. If you’re doing a lot of favours, but are being ignored when asking for help, maybe that’s just not a relationship worth having. I see what you mean with the implications of my language - I was only trying to spell out some of the other things that count as something, even if it’s not sex (as is the only thing these guys think count) I am kind to people because it makes me happy. I do expect people to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:02 PM
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It goes beyond politeness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:54 PM
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Maybe I am in context to strangers, however with people I like such as friends/coworkers/aquintances, I do nice things for them and they do nice things for me. Like these “nice guys” do nice thing for women, and complain they get “nothing” in return - They might not get sex, but that definitely doesn’t mean they get nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:16 PM
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I’m sorry to hear that’s your experience. That sucks. I know plenty of men who regard women as human, just the same way they regard men. They might want to sleep with some of them, but it’s not their only reason to interact with women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:12 PM
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It’s okay to resent their place, it sucks and I have sympathy for them. It’s not okay to blame women for their position
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:11 PM
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Why do you think that? It sounds like you’ve had a tough life, but I can guarantee you that most people do actually give a fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:06 PM
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It feels nice to be nice. Most people you meet will be nice in return, which leads to a more positive energy in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:05 PM
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You get plenty in return when you’re nice to people. I’m nice to everyone I meet, and I get met by niceness in return, be it a smile, a positive remark or just a nice conversation. I help my friends out with lots of different stuff, and they do the same for me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:04 PM
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Well most people respond to kindness with kindness. If you’re nice to someone, they will likely be nice back. They give you stuff of value, even if it’s not sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:03 PM
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I’m sorry to hear that is your experience. Most people I encounter are nice to other people because it feels great to be nice and have people be nice to you. Most people I know care about other people, wheter they know them or not, even if there’s a different degree of caring for someone you know
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:01 PM
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I disagree completely. Maybe it’s a cultural thing but where I’m at casual sex is very common, with most men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 06:54 AM
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Then make sure to make friends continously, and friends who have the same interests/lifestyle as you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 06:54 AM
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I definitely don’t, lol. It’s not like they can pick and choose who to have sex with at anytime, but they do casual dating which leads to sex without a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 06:43 AM
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I’m not sure where you get that from. Most men I know who are single, are still sleeping around
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 06:40 AM
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This comment goes of in a lot of directions - I don’t agree that it’s because of prehistoric risks that women don’t want to have sex with someone they aren’t dating, I think there are many other possible reasons. And so what if getting a partner is driven by biology (which I still don’t really agree with) We are so much more than biology, and we are able to think rationally. If you are lonely and having trouble dating, the obvious solution is to start looking for friends instead, then you can al…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 06:38 AM
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You don’t need a partner to have sex, unless you prefer only having sex in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 06:35 AM
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Says who? Sex is a biological drive, partnering up is more a sociocultural thing than anything else. I think friends are a lot more important than a partner, your social life should not depend on one person
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:05 PM
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What do you suggest the solution is? I’m asking in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:50 PM
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Why is a partner much more important than friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:50 PM
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If your only solution to loneliness is a romantic partner, and if you can’t find one then forcing one, then you have issues. You can feel not lonely by engaging with other people without it having to be a romantic partner. I am not saying you would be happier by forgoing a relationship, I’m saying if a relationship isn’t available to you, then you should focus on finding happiness in other places, rather than trying to force women to be with you. I agree things are wrong with society, many thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:57 AM
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He shouldn’t have to be needed. We don’t want to need a man for protection, we want men to stop assaulting us
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:22 AM
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But it’s not really just the hunk. Look at male celebrities that women are into recently: Pedro Pascal being a really good example. Women want kind men, men who believe in equality and who they have fun being around
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:20 AM
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These systems are build by men. Police officers? Mostly men. Judges? Mostly men. Law and how to handle it? Created by men. Why are you making it womens job to fix it? I’ll support you, I don’t agree with the way things are right now either, but I’m not the one who has the power to change them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:18 AM
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While it may be natural for people to crave romance, it’s not a given that everyone will experience this. Why do you think you are entitled to a partner? If the partner doesn’t want you? Would you honestly wanna be with someone who is forced to be with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:15 AM
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I would have to go to each single one of your comments and fold out surrounding comments. And I was going to do that, but then I saw the misogynistic shit you post, and came to the conclusion that it’s more likely they tell you those things because you hate women, not because you don’t want to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:10 PM
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What responsibilities do you think they need to take on? And I disagree with your second statement, I’m not sure where you have that from or why you state it as a fact
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:04 PM
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I started to reply to your comment part by part, but I refuse to engange with men who hate women. Good luck in life
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:03 PM
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Social doesn’t mean romantic relationships necessarily. You can have fulfilling, great social relationships that are not romantic. Men can start giving social support and validation to each other then. Ugh yikes - I really hoped you weren’t gonna suggest decreasing women’s freedom. That’s disgusting, and I’m sad to know that some men truly think that’s the best way to deal with an issue of male loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:06 PM
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I don’t think happiness should be dependent on having a partner. I absolutely can and will write it off, if People’s only reason for being unhappy is that they are single, then they need to broaden their view and find alternative lifestyles that will make them happy. I will support them in that, but I will not date someone I don’t want to, and I don’t think anyone else should either How do you suggest we bring the standards down? How can society change to make more realistic dating standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:18 PM
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So what if they are? Women are allowed to have inflated standards. So are men. Every person is allowed to have standards, however unrealistic they are. And yes, I stand by that, if you by sustainability are talking about the human race
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:09 PM
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So your solution is basically to “force” women to lower their standards. I think men need to focus on finding something other than sex and romantic relationships that they can enjoy. It’s not womens job to make men happy, by providinh them with sex and romance
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:03 PM
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That’s not been my impression with the single people I know. I’m chronically single myself, and while personally I also would prefer a partner, the kind of relationship I want is very unrealistic to find someone I vibe with who wants the same, which means I’ll likely be single. And that’s fine. I’d rather be single than in a “traditional” relationship (not even speaking of traditional values but stuff like living together, being monogamous and so on)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:01 PM
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I am a normal person with a normal life, I’m not sure what you mean by “easy to decipher”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:58 PM
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The height thing is wildly inflated by the internet. The only one I know who cares about a guy being 6 ft is myself, and that’s because I’m 6 ft. And tbh I don’t care if he’s a bit shorter. Online it looks like all women only want tall men, but that’s not how it works in reality. Looking and feeling good about your looks is not only relevant in dating, that’s why beauty standards hurt both genders. Maybe women are more shallow than men. It could seem that way, but if they want a relationship and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:54 PM
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Back then women didn’t have the same opportunities, which means most women would automatically be below men in income/education. Also men dating below their education/income level is totally up to them. It doesn’t make women bad for not wanting to. “Where are all the good men” refers to men who treat women well, e.g. believe in an equal relationship, and treat women (wheter dating them or not) as human beings. Can you point me to any of those articles? I have not seen a single article talking ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:48 PM
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No, I wouldn’t know. There are shallow men and shallow women, it all hurts themselves in the end if they’re looking for a relationship but get stuck on small imperfections. That’s their problem. I’m not saying it’s generally true that women don’t want average men, but if it was, that’s their choice. I don’t think women are more judgemental than men. And fatness is a whole other debate, but I see more men complaining about fat women than reversed. We’re probably both biased because of our gendere…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:52 PM
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I see the articles, and tweets you talk about to, but I understand them differently. Men complain that women want “tall, rich and over-average men” when what those articles often ask for is for men to contribute to the household (not just financially, but in terms of housework and childcare) treat women with respect (not send them nudes, or see them as access to sex while judging them for having sex) and not be controlling. Which many men tend to do, not all! But many men have outdated expectati…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:50 PM
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I agree with most of your points, but not the “women would happily bare the brunt of housework if with a rich man” Times have changed, women can make a living for themselves, and while some find housemaking to be nice lifestyle, many just don’t. Women want careers as well, they want to go out and socialize and use their abilities. Men don’t need to make more money, some might be able to find a family like that, but the easier path is accepting a 50/50 at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:41 PM
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Several of my male friends are single and happy. I dont know why you think you know more about my social circle than I do
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:36 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:35 PM
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That’s a weird take, but you’re allowed your opinion. There are people who thrive being single though, or who have just decided that between being single or dating someone they don’t want, single is the better option. That’s fair, it’s their choice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:29 PM
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Well if they are unhappy being single because they can’t get the specific type of person they want, I feel sorry for them. There’s not really a solution to it, other than re-evaluate your life choices. You’re not gonna get everything you want, and you’ll have to accept that at some point and re-evaluate your goals to find happiness in some other way. We all have a certain degree of personal freedom, and we’re not gonna be happier if we take that freedom away when it comes to dating and relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:28 PM
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You can believe me or not, it doesn’t really matter. Why would I want to be around someone who judges others for being single, by choice or not? It’s the mindset that matters; if they hate women, then of course I’m not gonna judge someone for judging them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:25 PM
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Maybe he sucks, maybe he doesn’t. I understand that it must be really sad to crave romantic relationships and struggling to find them, I can emphatize with that. But the solution is not that women should date men they don’t want to, we need to talk about other ways we, as a society, can support men to not feel lonely, or sad. But yeah, if he’s not willing to consider other options than sex as the solution, there’s just nothing we can do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:53 PM
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I do care about men. I would love for men to not feel lonely, but I don’t want to force women to sleep with or be in relationships with men that they don’t want. I have many male friends, and I care about them, and value them the same way I do my female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:51 PM
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I don’t surround myself with toxic people, so I would not. I try not to use incel at all. The only time I dislike incel men is when they get hateful towards women because they are unable to get laid and blame women for that. If they are unhappy they can’t get laid, I emphatize with them, but it’s not womens fault. And if they don’t want to date, that’s fine too, I would never judge someone for that, unless their reasoning boils down to hating women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:50 PM
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Yes. That means that in broad terms I don’t care if humans continue to exist or not, and that I will not be reproducing just to add more people to the world. We are all responsible for contributing in the way the society we are part of needs, to some extent, but how to live your life is up to you. I care about social issues, people who are suffering and I do my part in contributing to a society where we can reach equal rights and life quality for most people. So what I stated is in terms of repr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:34 PM
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Where do you get “only” and “not giving a damn how it impacts others” from? I never said that, and I never would, because it’s not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:27 PM
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I might be self centered, but I’m definitely not a narcissist - you might want to read more up on what that is :) I have plenty of great friends, and I would never do anything to hurt others, wheter I know them or not. I’m just not willing to sacrifice my personal happiness for “the sake of humanity’s existence” and I don’t think anyone should.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:20 PM
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You’re contradicting yourself here. You say they are miserable, yet that they are able to get what they want when they want it. I don’t believe either of the statements to be right, but my point stands
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:12 PM
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I would never call a man a manchild for deciding to be single, over dating someone he’s not really interested. And to the last of your comment: lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:10 PM
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So what? We are not individually responsible for humanity, and tbh I couldn’t care less if we go extinct. Would be better for the planet anyways lol. I mean, I have one life. I’m gonna live it for me, how I want
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:10 PM
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I don’t agree with what you say, but even if that was true, what’s the issue? She can just be alone then. That’s her choice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:40 AM
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Why is it unsustainable? If women would rather be single than date average men, then that’s their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:25 AM
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You don’t get to tell women what their standards should be though. Most women absolutely know they are not gonna be with a “Chad” - average men are not comparing with “Chad”, they are competing with the single life, which for women is often pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:24 AM
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It’s not, but many men (at least on here) who consider themselves average, are not. Maybe in looks, but personalitywise they tend to have very little understanding of women, and even less interest in understanding women. A lot also seem to dislike women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:45 PM
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As a woman, with many friends that are women, I can tell you that is just not the case :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 07:45 AM
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Not every women can get asked out. Many women don’t get asked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 07:09 AM
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That’s a belief, not a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 07:08 AM
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Maybe. But I’m not talking about sex, I’m talking about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:12 PM
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And there’s no guarantee we would be able to find a partner. We’d be able to find someone who’d fuck us, but that’s not what a partner is
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:06 PM
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Yes, if we are willing to lower our standards dramatically we will, and so would most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:05 PM
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If you were a woman doing what you wanted and that was eating cheetos and playing video games, and then complained you couldn’t find a partner, you would definitely also be blamed for it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:00 PM
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Women*
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:22 AM
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Oh wait lol, I think I misunderstood your reply
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:13 AM
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Yes. Its average to have friends. So average on one aspect at least
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:12 AM
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I disagree with both your points here, and will not argue them any further as we are not going to agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:20 PM
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You are SO set on the height and appearence perspective, and have clearly not spend anytime on twox at all. If you did, you’d realize that women are not complaining that men are too short or ugly, they’re complaining that men get away with being manipulative, abusive and so on, and that is NOT the woman’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:19 PM
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They are judged by both. In regards to dating, you might say they are not judged as harshly and I’m not sure I agree, but mainly what women worry about with their appearence is not just dating, but existing in society in general. Believe it or not, being fit is not the only beauty standard for women :))
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:31 AM
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Yes, I agree. But we should lead with getting them to consider what is most important: a partner that’s 6ft but you probably won’t get, or a partner that’s shorter but realistic to find? If they choose the first and end up lonely, that’s still their choice
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:41 AM
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Women aren’t hurt by beauty standards with men as the primary judge, but society. Beauty standards are difficult for both genders, but for different reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:40 AM
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I wasn’t interested in replying to your comment but saw the other one underneath telling you to “just lose weight and get jacked” so I felt a need to say “don’t take that to heart.” On paper it’s that easy, but in reality it’s not, and even if it was, it may not align with what you value in life. I’m a chubby woman, and I’ll admit that I am picky when it comes to men, but I’d never sort out a chubby man because of that - I’m picky in personality and need political/moral values that align with mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:59 PM
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Probably something about avoiding women all together because “women aren’t worth anything anyways”/s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:42 PM
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No matter how tough it is for men out there, women are entitled to their preferences, no matter if you or I or everyone thinks those suck. I’m not sure why you’d wanna date someone with that preference either, if you’re not what they’re looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:41 PM
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Maybe that’s true to a certain degree - I definitely believe some men experience that, and that average men has less luck in dating, but the average man likely won’t be single forever. Less than average men might.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:37 PM
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Agree 100% ofc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:31 PM
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That’s not my experience, which I’d say is just as valid as yours
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:54 PM
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Well if experience count as facts, I can counterargue with my experience as a woman who doesn’t value that, and with friends who do not value that either. It might be stupid, the ones who do, and I would say if they want a relationship, yeah they should probably re-evaluate their priorities, but in the end that’s their choice, and we can’t blame mens unhappiness on that. Or we can in some ways, but we don’t get to demand or ask them to change, because they are living their lives how they want an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:50 PM
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I honestly agree with everything you say here. As a woman who is very career-focused, or rather - who doesn’t thrive in a locked position/with every day being the same, I can’t at all relate to the women who are interested in traditional partnerships, but I realize they are out there. And then, yes, a man who provides is a huuuge benefit. I think because it’s difficult for me to relate to that, with no interest in children and especially NO interest in raising them, it’s hard for me to have the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:47 PM
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But that’s not how things are in reality, most women do not care that a man should be 6ft. It’s a thing that some women prefer, that’s been blows out of proportions on the internet. Of course they’d want to be attracted to their partner, but we all have different standards. Even if we didn’t, even if all women only wanted to date 6ft tall models, that would still be alright - it would be unrealistic and stupid, but it’s their choice. But if they choose to stay single over dating some men, it’s p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:26 PM
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Yes, and you are allowed to be mad, your feelings are valid. It’s just not womens fault. If women are happier being single than having a family, then that’s their right. It’s okay to be mad at the way life has turned out, but it’s not fair to blame others - not saying you do that, but too many men in your situation do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:00 PM
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At no point did he say that you HAD to be single, while doing these things. You can work on finding things you enjoy, on being content alone while still being open to dating, and making an effort in that area.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:52 AM
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It’s okay to be mad, as long as you don’t project this madness onto women, for not dating you. I’m not sure how being mad will help you feel better either, so while I get the need for it, I would also look for ways to be happy despite it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:49 AM
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How is it selfless to date women? You’re not dating women for the woman’s sake, you’re dating them because YOU want to. Which is fair and good, but has nothing to do with selflessness
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:59 PM
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Hmm, I’m not sure. I think it’s partly because traditional relationship benefit men, whereas they often don’t benefit women. Judging on the answers on this sub, men don’t want a woman because they’re more romantic, but because they want access to sex and comfort. Which are fine! Women want that too, but traditionally a relationship brings more labour for a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:59 PM
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Then why don’t men stop dating women as well, if they’re not getting what they want out of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:45 PM
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Woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:22 PM
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I hate it, but from being on here I’m starting to believe that as well
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 11:58 AM
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That women can open tinder and find a “top tier guy” is not true. Some women can, the average woman cannot. In some instincts yeah, but not nearly as readily available as men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:56 PM
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I would not, and I would feel weird if my partner wanted to do that/have sex with me when I’m not in the mood
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 04:27 PM
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Interesting I didn’t know that! Is there any way to know how many women procreated?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:12 AM
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I have several male friends that I’m not attracted to, but value as people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:48 AM
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You dont need to do favours to make friends. If you like your friends, you should want to and they’d want to for you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:45 AM
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I’m very curious! What is this based on? Like where does the knowledge that only 1 in 17 men reproduced come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:41 AM
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Not making general distinctions about female and male friends is a good start. Like if you treat women as if they are a totally different species, that’s not gonna make them wanna spend time with you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:40 AM
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If that’s how you view women as a general, maybe that’s got something to do with it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:39 AM
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I’m not sure I’d say it’s sad, I would also be a bit sad if I never had sex. But I’d never be lonely by not having sex, I have many other fulfilling relationships that are not romantic, and that helps a lot, but ofc I expect something more from a romantic relationship than just sex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:03 PM
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If it’s only a $3 coffee, why can’t you pay for it? Is he not valuable enough for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:39 AM
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I hate to say it, but from what I’ve seen here, the main thing many of the men in here look for in a relationship is regular access to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:37 AM
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Of course it’s not fair. And I’m sure someone out there would probably like you for how you are. Maybe you’d like them too. In the end, it’s up to you wheter or not you want to work on yourself to please others, I completely get why it sucks when put like that. But in the end people are drawn to what they are drawn to. If you’re ND, maybe try seeking out more ND people?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:32 AM
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Yes, women like that when they have consented to it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:22 PM
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Just to add a last point to the last of your comment: I don’t think less men are loved now, than before, I think it’s just become really easy to compare yourself to others due to stuff like social media. Higher marriage rates and lower divorce rates ~50 years ago don’t mean there was more love. I’m also curious to hear, and this is again honest interest: do you have any proposals on what could help men in the situation of today, as based on your views on today?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:16 PM
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I think there’s plenty of empathy for men, but you’re not gonna find it in niche subreddits that are basically genderwars at many times. Women and men both get soured by the extremes that are in places like this subreddit, and therefore are less likely to be empathetic. I think most women agree that some men are struggling, and would like to help change that, however the issues that women face and have faced, are issues that primarily women fought to change, with the support of some men. In the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:14 PM
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Ahhh, I think I get it now! Correct me if I’m wrong but, what you’re saying is: Men are biologically able to overpower women and rule society but in western societies they are letting go of that ability/urge to let society be equal? And then your questions is what are women doing that’s equal to that “sacrifice”? I think I got it right, so I’ll try to answer but correct me if I’m wrong. First though, imo men are not subdueing these urges for the sake of women specifically - not all men would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:19 PM
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I’m not. I’m genuinely curious as to why men being biologically stronger and more aggressive is something they hold back for the good of the society/women. When you write long paragraphs, I have a hard time picking out the exact answer to that question, which I’m still curious about - what is it that men biologically want to do, but can’t do?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:29 PM
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Yes, men in general are. Not all men. How do they have to hold back those things? What would they like to do that they can’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:31 PM
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More fit for what? What are men more fit for? If you give me an example, I’ll be able to answer
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:34 PM
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I’m being a 100% genuine when I say this, but I’m still not quite sure what your point is. Men are biologically stronger and more aggressive, but they are holding back from harming women, or what is it they’re holding back from?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:04 PM
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They’ll probably have to realize it’s not realistic for them to land a “hottie”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:47 PM
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It’s the same as women. Both partners should make contribute equally to a relationship. Women and men can bring the same to a relationship - like love, care, comfort, companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:29 PM
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Can you explain in what cases men have to restrain their natural biological advances like strength and aggression? (and why is aggression considered and advance)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:26 PM
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That’s fair, but maybe that’s why they’re lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:28 PM
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Maybe male friendships are different, I’m not a man so I wouldn’t know. I put equal effort into my friendships with men and women, and the love I get in return is absolutely worth the effort
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:27 PM
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I will not because I don’t agree with his points. I would, if I did. I’m not interested in debating with people who are aggressive or talk down to me, and I’m not gonna justify that any further
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:26 PM
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Men absolutely do not have to pay for their female friends. Mine don’t lol. Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but that sounds ridiculous and not like a proper friendship. Helping with practical stuff sounds more normal, but should be both ways. I’m not sure there’s a point in debating it for us, because if you’re right and men only want relationships, not friends, then I’ll have to agree with OP that they are at least partly to blame for feeling lonely. Again, it might be a cultural difference, but w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:09 PM
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If they are only going out to meet new people they would date, they are shutting of the opportunities to make new friends. What you said about the single women being “protected” by the group - Would it not be helpful to not go straight for the dating perspective, but maybe make friends with the group? I know it’s not as easy as it sounds, and in many places groups don’t come to meet new people, but that’s why stuff such as volunteering or social hobbies are good, not only to meet potential dates…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:35 PM
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I’m not interested in debating with you, when you’ve already decided that women are an enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 11:32 AM
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Women have been prioritzed as objects for men, nothing else
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:53 AM
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Because the system is not set up to help men, it’s set up to help wealthy, white men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:34 AM
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It can be part of life, it can’t be all of it/all of ones freetime
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:15 PM
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This is one incident though, you even say you’re surprised he said yes, and so am I. This is not something any woman can do at any time, and if she had two guys come up to her, she was probably a bit nicer than average. You thinking the two average guys were better looking than her is subjective, quite a few guys are into fat women, most just don’t shout it out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:41 AM
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More often than men, but definitely not as often as I’d want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:37 AM
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And if you read my comments, you’ll realize that I am agreeing with you on that aspect - I agree that women generally have it easier. But that’s not the point, the point is that men think that women can have sex anytime they like - which is only true if they abandon their standards. And if men abandoned their standards, most men would also be able to have more sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:22 PM
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I have tinder. Most of my single friends have tinder. This is not the reality for most women. I’ve had sex with men that are 3x hotter than me, definitely - but not on demand. If I wanted to find someone to have sex with tonight, I probably could but I would have to lower my standards (and no, I don’t go for men that are 3x as attractive as me as a standard)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:17 PM
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Definitely not. I’m sure some women might be able to, most women are not
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:13 PM
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They definitely do. They might not have to lower them as much, and sometimes they’ll get with men that are objectively better looking, but the “easy sex that’s available at all times” is only available at all times if you’re hotter than average or lower your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:12 PM
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I will have a great day, not thinking the world is dark and evil by nature. As much as you think I take your comments “the worse way”, I believe you are doing the same - We obviously have very different perspectives on life, gender and everything else that’s been discussed so far, and I agree there’s no point in debating when we can’t base it on a common understanding of the world. I hope you’ll be happy as well eventually, believe it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:15 PM
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Absolutely not, it was a genuine question as I did not understand what you meant by your comment. It’s definitely an uncomfortable conversation to have when you’re reminded that the one you’re conversing with sees you as less than themselves because of your gender. I don’t know which biological advantages you think women have, that they should be curtailing to “make it up to the men who allows them to exist and participate in society” I don’t understand your second paragraph and will not respond…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 08:29 PM
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Yikes. My question was definitely in good faith, but I have no interest in talking to you any further if you truly believe men are “letting” women be part of society, and that doing that is going against their nature - that’s disgusting and frankly it’s insulting to men. I will say that I absolutely emphatize with men that are struggling romantically, and I don’t think they should “get over it”, but blaming women is not a solution. However now that I can see that you don’t even like women, I’m n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 07:57 PM
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Because standards are personally and you can not make anyone attracted to who they are not, wheter or not that’s “unfair to men.” I don’t agree that it takes less effort for women to get a relationship - it takes less effort for them to have casual sex, for sure, but a relationship requires work put in by both people. If you’re on about the “men are expected to pay” then I agree that that culture should change, because ofc that’s not equality. What do you mean that men are required to restrain t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 07:20 PM
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I have no clue what you’re trying to say tbh. Maybe men and women have different standards, but that doesn’t change my statement: Women have an easier time getting casual sex, but it’s not just something they can get at any time, unless they are willing to compromise on their standards, and if men did as well, they’d probably have more luck to. Am I saying they should? No. I’m just highlighting the fact that most women can’t just get whatever they want in terms of casual sex, despite many men th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:58 PM
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Well clearly it’s not being delusional if it works for her, is it? Many women also don’t care about commitment, and why wouldn’t you take the best you can get. The comment I responded to was just about sex, and pointing out that while a woman might generally have more men willing to have sex with her, it doesn’t mean she can get whoever she wants and she’ll often have to compromise on her standards to get easy sex, which many men would be able to do too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:54 PM
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Yeah, exactly. I also have friends I find attractive and wouldn’t mind sleeping with, but that’s not why we’re friends :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:11 PM
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It has nothing to do with being “one of the guys” or “different from the other girls” My male friends often have multiple female friends as well. Maybe they’d sleep with some of them given the chance, I also know some of my guy friends wouldn’t say no if I asked, but that’s not why we’re friends. Men can like women for their personality and friendship, and vice versa. I feel sorry for people who aren’t able to have friends of the opposite gender without an ulterior motive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:20 PM
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I agree that women generally have it easier, but it’s not as easy as you think - unless you don’t care who you have sex with, and I’d argue most men would be able to get laid if they abandonded their standards as well
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:14 PM
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I don’t agree with this statement. I’m sure some women care, but most I know do not - yeah, ofc it’s nicest if the guy is just slightly taller but honestly it’s not a dealbreaker to me. I have two male friends that are both quite short, one is engaged and the other has no problem getting women because he’s secure in himself
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:49 AM
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Well his response was super irrelevant to her comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:13 PM
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And are willing to compromise on their standards. It’s definitely easier to find someone to have sex with, as a woman, I’m not disagreeing on that, but generally you’d not want to have sex with just anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:13 PM
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I’m planning on it already, I don’t want a traditional relationship nor do I want children. I’m not concerned. I love people in general, not just ones I’m romantically interested in or blood-related to, and I’m sure I’ll be fine to keep my friends for as long as they’re around, and add more when needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:06 PM
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What on earth are you on about? Which female leaders have started wars?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:39 AM
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The mans not at fault but he’s hypocritical for judging her bodycount while wanting to add to it. I don’t wanna debate the rest with you, as we clearly have very different world views and it’s a waste of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:37 AM
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Not at all. In the end I think everyone is responsible for themselves and you can date/not date or have casual sex with whoever you want. But judging men and women differently for doing the same thing just sucks :) Also the poster was pointing out the hypocritical point that men judge women for having a high bodycount, while they still often want to sleep with that woman themselves. It is hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:49 AM
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You can be in a relationship and coparent without being married though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:44 AM
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Still I’m curious to hear your thoughts on this scenario - would you only have casual sex with someone who already har a high body count? I’m not talking about men being womens fathers, I’m talking about being a decent person who treats people well, and respect them regardless of their gender
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:06 AM
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So if you met a beautiful woman with a low bodycount and she didn’t want to date you, but she would have casual sex with you, wouldn’t you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:48 AM
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Most of the victims are women, most of the perpetrators are men. Most of the people investigating and judging are men. Most people in power, who can actually help to change these issues that men face, are also men. No one is saying men aren’t having a hard time, but you’re so focused on the “who has it worse” in very specific scenarios to realize that two wrongs can exist at the same time. And to your first point, that men are treated worse - Maybe you’re right. But it’s also much less likely fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:11 PM
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But isn’t it the same when men claim that “men protect and die for the women and children” when 1) there is no war threathening us in western countries, 2) many men have never been in the military. That men argue on the base of the historically traditional mens role, while not being part of it themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:07 PM
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I mean you can leave at any point and for any reason, but be respectful about it and if you have kids, don’t leave them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:05 PM
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Women fight in the army too. As has been pointed out many times before, women wouldn’t need protection if men didn’t hurt them. Also many women are able to defend themselves, but if you care about someone you should want to protect them, no matter your gender and no matter their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:03 PM
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You really think womens only role in society is to provide men with pleasure or raise his children??? Are you for real?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:02 PM
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I’m not saying it is. I’m just saying men don’t like when women are cautious around them, but what else can we do if we’re also blamed for being mistreated?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:50 AM
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I feel like this would be something that’s easy to communicate, if you’re not feeling up to invest too much time or effort. You won’t be the closest you could to the person that way, but it doesn’t mean that you can’t still be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 06:35 AM
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I’ve had that situation without attraction several times. Still do now
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:45 PM
1

“We create” - Who’s the “we” you talk about? Sports is very far from my interests, so I’m not gonna debate about that. I also don’t see what men are losing by women having their own sports league. Being better at something does not make one gender inherently better than the other. What do you mean it’s only sought when it’s an advantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:51 PM
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Need a handout? What in the world does being good at sport have to do with being an equal part of society? Not all men are stronger or faster than women, what about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:56 PM
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That’s not the point. In many cases men are stronger or faster than women, but that doesn’t make them better people in general or make women lesser. You don’t need to win sports to count as a human being
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:43 PM
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In this case, the toxic behaviour is being dishonest and misleading about what they want, in order to have sex with the woman. I’m not saying that women shouldn’t be looking out for themselves, but the problem would be solved completely if men stopped manipulating. It sucks if you can’t trust any man, because you don’t know which ones are the liars
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:33 PM
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Toxic people rarely show their toxic behaviour until after they get you. Maybe some guys’ behaviour makes it obvious to you, but for many women it’s often not clear. Alternatively women should just not trust any man because they can’t tell who is toxic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:36 AM
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Most toxic people don’t show their behaviour until they’ve got you. Not everyone is good at predicting who is and isn’t toxic, an alternative is if women decided to collectively not trust any man, because they can’t tell from the start who’s toxic and who isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:34 AM
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Maybe not in a specific case, but if a man only ever wanted to talk to women when he thought he might get to have sex with her, that’s dehumanizing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:13 AM
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What women are you people meeting? That’s really not the case where I’m at, that women are friends with men to get their help with stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:09 AM
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If they are ONLY interested in talking to me because they want to have sex with me, then yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:08 AM
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They did not say women deserve better than they have as a general term, they say that women deserve better than toxic behaviour and being used by a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:33 AM
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That’s definitely hurtful as well. I’m sorry if you’ve had that experience with female friends, because that’s not a friend. There are bad women just as there are bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:35 AM
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No, because you think you’ve found some sneaky get around to calling women bad while “only referring to data” and that’s just not it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:31 AM
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No, but it also does not justify you villainizing women when you don’t understand their reasons for divorce. We’re going around in a circle now
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:14 AM
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That’s true. But the data is pointless if you don’t also research the reason why
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:10 AM
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But where is the evidence? I don’t think women as a whole is ready to leave a life behind for something that may/may not be better because it doesnt make sense to me. Why’d you leave something if it works
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:07 AM
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Because relationships should be equal and they are not if one is paying for the other
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:06 AM
2

That’s why I think its interesting to find out WHY they divorce. Hypergamy is a red pill assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:57 PM
1

So you want women to date men they aren’t attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:31 AM
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Maybe they can’t find a relationship because their main motivation for said relationship Is access to sex, which would be a huge turn-off for any woman. Who wants to be in a relationship with someone who mainly wants them for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:23 AM
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I’m really noting the quote you responded to “most young men would love an actual relationship with regular sex” Like… maybe the reason they can’t get a relationship is because they are only interested in it so they can get access to sex, and women don’t want to be in a relationship with someone who wants them just for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:22 AM
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And the sky is blue, which makes the sky look blue. What’s the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:46 AM
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You said: “I get that you want to assume that because you’ll try to deflect anything that makes women look exactly how they are” So you were clever with your words, but this definitely says that. You think I’m trying to make women look good, instead of exactly what they are, which must then in your eyes be the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:42 AM
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Yet you are making a judgement, deciding women are bad for initiating most divorces without knowing their reason. If that is not an assumption, then I don’t know what is. I’m not trying to make any fact disappear, I have stated several times that I realize women are walking away from marriages than men, but to use that data for making judgements, we need to know why.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:33 AM
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There are no facts in what you said, and why would I want to argue with someone who wants to take away my rights, who thinks I’m a lesser human than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:31 AM
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It doesn’t come from our biology. There’s nothing instinctual about most things we do. You are absolutely vile and I will not listen to anymore of your misogonyst ideas, and I will not respond to you any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:24 AM
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The Numbers say they initiate divorce. But if we don’t know why they do it, how can we blame them? Their reasons might be very fair and good, so making women look bad for wanting divorce is not a fair thing. Second, I never said men couldn’t suffer in a marriage. But looking at what we are now, that women initiate divorce more, it made sense to say that probably these women aren’t happy in their marriage. I’m not saying women are worse off in marriage, but if they are initiating divorce more, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:23 AM
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On what do you base that assumption?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:19 AM
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Because the data doesn’t tell us WHY the divorce happens. You cannot make women the enemy for initiating divorce when you don’t know why they do it. Or do you think they should stay in a relationship no matter what the man does?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:15 AM
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Oh definitely not, we’ll have to disagree on that. While biology plays some part, we are way to aware to be classified as animals. We don’t follow our instincts if it clashes with societal or cultural norms, which is enough to show me that we are more affected by the latter. Equality is only an issue for men, because traditionally their role was nicer, while women were stuck with the short end
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:13 AM
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I’m not desputing your claim that divorce rates show that women initiate divorce more than men. However, if there’s not interest in understanding why it is so, I don’t understand the need to even know. What are you gonna use that knowledge for, that women initiate more divorces?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:57 AM
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It’s not interesting to point out that there is a problem, with no interest in understanding why. That makes no sense to me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:51 AM
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Agreed. As a woman, I hate when men try to pay for me or bring me stuff when we first start dating. It makes me feel like I owe them something, which I don’t like and I’m also very capable of paying for myself
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:49 AM
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What’s your take on divorce then? Why do women want to get divorced?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:47 AM
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Why should men have to pay for women, when women are perfectly capable of paying for themselves? And “protectors” - what do we need protection from? It’s a dated gender role, and as female gender roles have evolved as well, there’s not as much need for that type of man. Which is great, imo. No one should HAVE to be anything, except for kind and honest. Let people figure out what they want from a relationship, and find someone who wants the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:47 AM
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He thinks he is more deserving than them, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:01 PM
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I’m sorry to hear that. Women can be bad people too, and it sucks despite what gender does it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:45 PM
1

Incel has come to mean something differen than someone who doesn’t have sex. The word have started as that, but it has grown to speak of a community of men that hates women. I do not see women using virgin as an insult
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:44 PM
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How have you, as a man, experienced pain, suffering, death and destruction? I acknowledge that men have different, and real issues in the modern world that women are not always aware of, but that does not make mens reality more real than womens. We experience pain, suffering, death and destruction as well, maybe in different ways - but I’m curious to know how you have experienced it personally
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:12 AM
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Why do you think I live in a fantasy? You do hate women, and I think maybe you’ve had some bad experiences that made you that way - if so, I’m sorry that happened. But women can and do feel love. You say they can’t love “unconditionally” and I’m honestly not sure anyone can love 100% unconditionally - but I love my brother, my friends, my roommate, my cat. I love them for who they are, I love spending time with them and watching their lives unfold. I don’t expect anything of them, and I love the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:10 AM
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Why do you think your reality is more real than mine, or anyone elses? Why do you think you know what I can and can’t feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:01 AM
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Says who?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:56 AM
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Many of my guy friends are in relationships, and happy at that. I am sure some of them would want to fuck if given the possibility, but they’re not expecting it to happen and yet we are friends anyways. Personalities are unique, man or women. I don’t get why you hate women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:55 AM
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What about womens nature make you think they are incapable of love - where did you get that idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:52 AM
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No response because the beliefs you claim here seem to be very ingrained, and I won’t be able to change that. I’ll answer your point though. Do you have more than one male friend? If yes, why? Personally I have many friends, male and female. They are different people who enrich my life in different ways. Some of my male friends are just really great people that I enjoy being around, and they don’t need to have sex with me for me to see their value. I think you must have been hurt deeply or somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:48 AM
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I don’t agree with your statement but I do think women should ask clearly if they are not up for a ons. Of course he can change his mind, and in that case it’s okay for the woman to be disappointed but We’re all allowed to change our mind always. If his intentions were not to mislead her to just get sex, then he has nothing to be ashamed of in that scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:21 AM
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Who is judging men for not sleeping around? Women can choose not have sex with men for many reasons, I think it’s a funky idea that it would be because he hasn’t had sex with many or the right ones
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:15 AM
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I’ve answered the same in another comment but there is more than one scenario here. If leading up to it, he leads her on and acts as if he wants a relationship, he is on the wrong for intentionally misleading her. If he is clear about his intent, then yeah, she doesn’t really ger to complain about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:12 AM
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Ahh wait, I see - you’re relating this point to the women who get disappointed. In some cases they definitely should have seen it coming, in others the guy is a douche who pretends to want a relationship but in reality only wants sex. Both of these cases suck
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:46 AM
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But what’s the problem in that? As long as they’re honest with their intentions. Leading someone on to have sex with them is immoral, man or woman
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:45 AM
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Hopefully not. I don’t speak for all women, but that’s just toxic - sex doesnt define you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:39 AM
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Lol. Women are allowed to have different intentions with different men, just as men are with women. What I want us all to agree on is that women should have the same right as men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:38 AM
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Just yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:37 AM
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Meh, I think there are many different kind of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:37 AM
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And you feel alright being like that? I’m sad that you seem to have no women love you, or never experienced caring about women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:36 AM
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Because in my experience, my body is not the most valuable I have to give - my heart is. I realize you see differently, as women are just for sex in your eyes which has become clear through your other comments
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:07 AM
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They value them more thus giving the man the power to hurt the woman, which is why they would rather wait in that case
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:05 AM
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What I’m reading is that your only interest in women is to have sex. Your misogony is showing. Please leave us alone
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:05 AM
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How does it make them second choice? The men we want to date is obviously the ones we value more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:49 AM
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Well that’s his loss. Would you also call a non-virgin man “ran through”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:45 AM
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What if you dont want children? Also not every woman wants a relationship. It’s fair to have casual sex if both are honest with their intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:17 AM
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If they find a man they want, chances are there are some feelings involved which means it would hurt to be ghosted after sex, and therefore makes sense to wait and see if the connection is genuine. Some men you want to date, some men you just want to fuck - just like men feel about women. As long as everyone is honest about their intention, it shouldnt be an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:15 AM
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Too bad so sad. I think most women realize that these very attractive men are not gonna end in a relationship with them, but that doesn’t mean they can’t have fun if they want to as well. It’s okay to want to have sex with one guy for one night, and not with another
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:13 AM
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Or the men that are interested in the woman beyond sex and actually likes her company despite having to wait for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:11 AM
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To actively and with intent con someone means you think they’re less than you. Otherwise you wouldn’t feel entitled to treat them that way
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:10 AM
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I doubt I’d want to
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:10 AM
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TL;DR
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:45 AM
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“Mating choices” 😭 Honestly, I feel like a good lot of the men in here are not even interested in finding love, they just want a woman they can marry and have children with. What’s logical about love? Emotions are real. What is the point of dating if you’re doing it for logical reasons, and not to experience and share love with someone you have a special connection with? It’s sounds so cynical, and I feel bad that you must not have had someone you loved just because of who they were and what you…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 10:00 PM
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Because as I’ve already explained in another comment, while I think we need to hold crappy people accountable, we also might wanna think about what changes we can make to make the dating experience more equal. I have also already said that I realize my first comment came of as a deflecting of womens guilt, which was not my intention, and why I have explained further in now several responses
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:42 PM
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I already approach men, and we split the bill. I would likely not date a man making minimum wage, but not because I want his money - I’m gonna be making quite a bit more and I’d like us to live a life where we can pay equally and experience things. However if I meet the right guy, his salary isn’t gonna hold me back.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:36 PM
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Yeah, if you look at the comments responding to mine, you’ll see that this have been brought up. I was not aware of this issue as where I’m from, splitting 50/50 is the norm. But taking advantage of men is ofc not okay either
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:59 AM
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Yeah, that’s not what I meant - of course it’s the womens fault that they are taking advantage of men, and that sucks. Those women suck. What I meant is that shitty people will always exist, and the easiest way tp avoid this situation would be to change social norms to avoid women feeling entitled to being paid for. Of course the blame is still on the women for doing it, I was just thinking in terms of what would stop it happening
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:19 AM
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It’s crappy women. My other thoughts are just that it’s difficult to change how individuals act, and while I wish those women would stop taking advantage of men, I think it’d be easier to change the culture so that 50/50 is the norm and men aren’t put in a position where women are using them. But yes, crappy women should stop being crappy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:17 AM
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What should men give up for women to be happy? What I want is a society that is equal and treats both genders the same. I want men to be happy and women to be happy, but I don’t want their happiness to be dependent on each other. I would be happy to change societal structures that make men unhappy, to help them. But I would not be willing to date a man I’m not interested in, be a housewife/servant or any other old fashioned traditional “womens role” just because men would be happy if women did t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:14 AM
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Hmm, but men are also upholding the cultural norms. I dont think American women are insufferable, but it sucks when people take advantage of other, be it men or women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:55 PM
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Yeah, definitely. Some women suck. Probably quite a few. I can see how my comment might read as trying to take the blame off of women, that wasn’t my intention - I just rarely get a chance to point out when the patriarchy hurts men, so I always jump at it when I do. Women who lead men on for free food are bad people
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:43 PM
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That sucks. And it’s one of the ways the patriarchy is hurting men (the whole “men must provide”-thing.) It obviously sucks that some women do that, I didn’t realize it bc in my culture splitting the bill is a norm (and dinner dates are rare as a starter)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:29 PM
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But the OP states that women will put up with it in a relationship. Only basing it on attractiveness of course, and leaving out anything else that makes a relationship great enough that you might stay even if one of the OP examples are a problem. But yeah, I don’t think most women would keep having sex with a guy who’s bad at sex just because he’s attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:26 PM
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We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’m not gonna debate this with you, when 1) you seem to think women are ill-intended in general, 2) your choice of words and the sentence structure makes it difficult to actually respond to anything
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:22 PM
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I really don’t believe that as many women lead men on as you think, moreso that men read into situations that women don’t intend to be flirtatious. I also don’t think our cultures are comparable, because where I’m at it’s normal to split costs for date 50/50, and giving someone a gift is strange if it’s not someone you’re already seeing. Attention and validation, maybe but you can get that without intentionally telling someone you’ll have sex with them while knowing you’re gonna back out. I just…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:04 PM
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I think there’s more men intentionally leading women to believe they want to date them in order to have sex with them. What do a woman ger from leading a man to think she wants to have sex with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:51 PM
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Why wouldn’t they? Everyone should act in their self-interests. I doubt many women say they wanna have sex, and lie about it - sometimes you think you want it, get in the situation and realize it’s not what you wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:50 PM
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What do you want from a woman? In my opinion, a relationship should be based on being happy together, liking each other and wanting to be with each other, not what the other part “can do” for you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:48 PM
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What’s my job?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:47 PM
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I mean, every relationsship, romantic or not, requires effort and compromise on both parts. I thought of this as a given, but I realize it might not be. However due to experiences, that are shared by many women through many years, I am absolutely careful on what I compromise on. I’m happy single, I’m happy with my life - If I meet someone that I really like and that would add value to my life, I’d be happy to date them, and then I’d be open to change some things. But if those changes took away m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:47 PM
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Lol, what. I want men to be happy, but I don’t wanna compromise womens happiness to make that happen. Men need to find a way to be happy, that doesn’t require women to sacrifice their happiness to make that happen, it’s not womens job. I’ll support men and I’ll join them if they tell me how I can help them, but not if it requires me to sacrifice my own happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:11 AM
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Because women are happy living our lives as we do now. If men are not happy with how women are now, that’s their problem - women shouldn’t change to make men happy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:48 AM
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Men like masculine and hard men. Women like fun and charming men. Look at the male actors that are super popular with women: Ryan Gosling, Pedro Pascal, Chris Pratt, Ryan Reynolds. I wouldn’t define them as masculine and hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 08:23 AM
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More than half of the traits you described are not external
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 08:18 AM
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No, because that freedom is not actually free when she is in love or in other ways attached to/in need of you) So while she is free to choose, she will not just be able to, because humans also have feelings. Having different standards for yourself and her is not alright tbh, it does not make an equal partnership
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 08:22 AM
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She does not, if she cares for you. She will not choose to leave you, and that gives you control over her, which is borderline abusive. You should be free to choose for yourself, but not control who she can or can’t see.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:26 AM
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Okay, then I have an issue with it. That goes from being equal freedom to controlling behaviour, if you allow yourself things that she’s not allowed. She deserves better
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:36 AM
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That is one scientific belief. It doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:28 PM
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I’m not sure I disagree with you, but I’m curious: if she wanted to stay friends with an ex, would you be alright with it? I think it’s fine to live your life by your own values, and share it with someone as long as they let you, but they’d need the same freedom
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:27 PM
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They should not. The norm should be to split the bill or do rounds, depending on what you are doing for the date
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:38 AM
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I have plenty of male friends who are having sex as well. I’m not saying there’s not someone struggling, I just don’t agree with the discourse that’s being fosteret
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:55 PM
0

I’m a woman, who enjoys participating in sex, as most of my friends do as well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:50 PM
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Sounds like you’ve had a/maybe more bad experience(s). Women do plenty of work in sex - and I’m speaking in broad terms as you are
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:43 PM
1

Well that doesn’t answer my question. And my answer to your question would be: you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:30 AM
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Why do you get to decide what’s appropriate or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:28 AM
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I think that’s a very depressing way to see the world - I doubt all those people who are dating/married think that they settled. The divorce rate has to do with a lot of things; as a society, although different in different countries and cultures, are still recovering from the “men go to work, so women do the childcare and household labour” and while most men are coming around to do their fair share, our parents generation (Idk your age, I’m 28) are probably influenced by past norms, and then co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:17 PM
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I don’t see it as a problem, not for me personally. It sucks for those who do want to date, but they will have to find a way to compromise. I’m fine if I date, I’m fine if I don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:50 PM
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It’s not about “top 10%” it’s about finding the right match. But honestly, look at the people in relationships/who are married? Would you say they are all top 10%?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:38 PM
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It’s not that men are worse to be with that nothing, it’s that for one reason or another these specific men do not meet these specific womens wants, or it’s just become so difficult for them to meet each other, and find the right one. I don’t think men are bad, just because I don’t want to date them. I personally like being single, so if I was to get in a relationsship, it would have to be because I met the perfect match, otherwise I just don’t really care for it. And that’s nothing to do with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:05 PM
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Why should anyone settle? I’m happy single, and while I wouldn’t mind dating if the right man for me came along, I would rather stay single than be with someone I’m not into
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:02 PM
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It’s not at all. Our society does a lot of things that doesn’t make sense from a biological perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:26 AM
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It’s not. Biologically, we may have evolved with some specific instincts, but we are also social and cultural beings, who are brought up in a society that is much more complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:41 AM
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What the actual fuck. That’s such a sad view to have of women. Humans are a lot more than our biology
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 02:38 AM
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It’s still the men that are the problem in these cases
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:15 PM
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Yes, we definitely can - when they make poor choices. Do you think deadbeat dads act like that at the beginning of the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 10:36 AM
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No - how are women supposed to know which men are gonna stay and which are gonna disappear? Women aren’t oracles
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:35 AM
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I don’t want to find someone, very few men are worth the hassle. But I’m sure you will, and I wish you the best
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:35 AM
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It’s not the same thing to me. Things can be important without being the main reason I’m doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:34 AM
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I don’t disagree, I was just pointing out compared to the argument that fatherless children have issues, that it’s not womens fault if men decide to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:33 AM
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There’s a difference between casual sex and marriage, yes, that is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:18 AM
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That’s not what I’m getting from your earlier replies, but you’re welcome to think whatever you do. Sex is important to most people, men or women, and yes - it’s important to know that you’re sexually compatible before marriage. But to put it, as OP did, as one of the main reasons to get married, is sad in my opinion. Now we’ve gone full circle, and I’ve explained to you what I meant, and we can agree to not agree
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:18 AM
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Same page? different books.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:09 AM
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Why do you think? Because if men only value me for sex, it’s not worth it. I have better sex with myself than I’ve have with any man, and while I do enjoy sex, it’s not worth being with a man if that’s all he’s with me for
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:08 AM
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We’re not. There are many men I would have sex with, less men I would marry. Sex is not the most important factor in a marriage. But as said in another comment, I doubt I’ll marry at all by now
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:01 AM
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Honestly, after being on this subreddit for a few days? I’m not really attracted to men anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:00 AM
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Of course, and that’s valid! Sex is important, to women as well. I would not want to be married to a guy, who I had an amazing non physical connection with - he would be a great friend, but not a husband. A marriage is a lot more than sex, it’s a lot more than non-physical connections - It’s both of those, but a lot more as well. If you’re only getting married because you want an easy access to sex, and you don’t care about the other stuff, just don’t get married
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:57 AM
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Sex is important to women as well. But not necessarily more important than forming connections with other people on a non-physical level. If you’re honestly only interested in women for sex, that sucks for you - what a sad life to live
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:50 AM
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Whose fault is it that the boys grow up fatherless? The women, who stay by their children and do their best to raise them, or the men who jump ship because they realize it’s not that fun to be responsible? What I’m saying is not representative for all of course, but your logic is flawed. Raising children is hard work, do you really think women would prefer all of that on themselves? Why are you not blaming the men for not being father figures for their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:46 AM
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So what is that reading these kind of things and realizing men only value my vagina, not me, is gonna turn me off from dating men. And many women are likely gonna feel the same. How does that help all the men that are crying out about how unfair it is that they can’t ger any women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:40 AM
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Of course it is, but in your post it reads as one of the main reasons to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:47 AM
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Of course it is. It’s important to me too. I wouldn’t want a marriage, or relationship without sex. But listing that getting “ access” to regular sex by getting married, is one of the main reason some men want to do it, makes me sad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:45 AM
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It shows where your priorities lie, and my point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:39 AM
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If what you truly want from a marriage is just access to regular sex, then yes - you should not get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:30 AM
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I disagree with that statement. I’m very aware of many issues men face, and they are definitely brought up and debated in society. I’m not from America. The thing about who gets rejected and who doesn’t is based on who’s choosing - you won’t know that the socially awkward man is very nice and caring, compared to other men. And you’re not gonna want to take a chance that he is, if you’re not attracted to him, which you likely won’t be if he doesn’t have social skills. Your men vs women argument i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:28 AM
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Based on the bias of my lived experiences, I have not noticed it as a recurring issue, although I believe you that it happens. So no, I haven’t - but I will, if I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:55 AM
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Do you know how she forms a connection though? Maybe it’s through conversation and dancing at a night club
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:47 AM
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I was not aware there is a tendency to shame men for being virgins, but yes, I agree that it needs to be adressed then, because obviously not alright. I don’t think men who are socially awkward are bad, but I believe they are in a position where they are less desirable to a lot of women. I don’t wanna confuse socially awkward with introvert, because you can be someone who prefers to stay home mostly and still be able to socialize with other people. If that’s something men or women are struggling…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:45 AM
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You don’t have to give them anything, in fact I think you should just leave them alone. Your comparison is not one I would make, it’s two completely different issues. But there’s no need to shit on other people, just because you’re not into them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:40 AM
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We could, but I’m honestly interested in his answer. Why does he feel the need to judge someone else? No one cares about his opinion tbh, on someone else’s looks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:38 AM
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There’s more of a cultural difference between Asia and the west than just their family shaming them, and I don’t believe that’s what makes the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:37 AM
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Shaming does not work, there is plenty of studies to show that. Also if it did, people would not be obese, because they are currently shamed at all times. We are working towards a world where putting others down is considered bad, yes. Why would you want to hurt other People’s feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:02 PM
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Why do you have the right to criticise someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:00 PM
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Your way of arguing is exhausting, which is why people won’t bother. I don’t wanna have to scroll up to find the quotes that back up my claim, because then you’re just gonna argue that I’m misreading your words and so on. It’s a waste of time, and it looks like plenty of people in here have realized that as well
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:36 PM
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There are a million different reasons why people are obese, and struggle with losing weight. Shaming them does not work. Everyone deserves to love themselves, even if they are not perfect. If losing weight was easy/accessible to everyone, do you really think that many people would be obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:34 PM
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Since making my comment, I have read the rest of the thread and I will not enter in a debate with you. Your responses to other people show me that it’ll be a lost cause
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:18 PM
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Well people identifying with her does not mean they are striving to look like her, it means they already do and finally see someone else like them. Also Lizzos health is between her and her doctor
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:54 AM
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Have you ever heard of the orgasm gap? Yes, women have more men offering to fuck them, but most of those men are not someone we want to fuck. And it’s very rare for women to orgasm during sex with a stranger, so no - they do not have easier access to potential sexual pleasure because most of the potential sex they have access to, would not result in pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:31 AM
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That he likes her as a person as well, not just as someone to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:28 AM
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Experience in what way? As a woman, I would not date someone who was socially awkward and didn’t have any experience with going out and about in the real world. I would be friends with them, and help them, if they’re making an effort to do better socially. If you’re thinking about sex, I’ll say that for me, it’s not about experience. I wouldn’t mind dating a virgin, however I would wonder why they were a virgin, and there might be reasons for that, that’d make me not want to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:23 AM
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You have to practice, yes - but you can practice socially skills in soooo many ways that are not dating. Join a club, volunteer, even just at your job, hang out with people without romantic intentions and get experience at being social. THEN start looking for a date. Not a lot of women want to teach a man they’re dating how to not be socially awkward, but if it’s in a friendly setting, the standards are way lower
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:20 AM
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Most women do not want “chads.” But you’re right, most women also do not want socially awkward virgin man. Men who are socially awkward might need to work on that, before focusing on dating - it’s nothing to do with any sort of game, it’s just not a lot of fun being around socially awkward people, for obvious reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:31 PM
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That is different as many social structures such as jobs, schools and so on are not based on “personal preferences” such as dating. I agree that it’s an issue that a large group of men feel like they’ve been left out of the dating field, but you can’t force someone to want to date/have sex with anyone, because that’s infringing on personal rights. Which means that we have to look at what makes this group of men undesirable to women, and try and find a solution to that. I also do not agree that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:11 PM
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I don’t surround myself with just attractive, popular people, but I see your point. I realize that it’s an issue for men that are involuntarily single, but blaming women and society is not gonna fix it, it’s just gonna make people have less sympathy with them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:42 PM
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Where do you get this idea from? I see it all the time, that women only want the top 10% men, but I’ve never seen how that result was discovered? It’s definitely not true with the people I’m around, but I’m not denying it in general
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:08 PM
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No. I claimed that I have plenty of friends that buy me things, also early in the friendship - which is definitely not the same as “people I barely know but me things all the time.” My experience on that part is maybe not translatable to US culture, as there still seems to be an idea that in a romantic relationship, the man pays and buys gifts. In my culture, buying things for someone else is not necessarily linked to romantic behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:22 PM
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Many of the people I’ve dated were also very nice and not boring. Some were boring, but that wasn’t because they were nice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:52 PM
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What do you consider drawbacks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:35 PM
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No, that’s the point - you don’t know that they expect it. You think they’re trying to make friends with you, because they act the same way people do when trying to make friends with you. And then suddenly they spring it on you, and get mad that you didn’t realize their intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:21 PM
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It sucks when you like a person and think they like you too, and turns out they were only interested in you because they had romantic intentions that you were not aware of, and if you’re not into them, they’ll treat you badly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:16 PM
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That’s not what’s frustrating - the frustrating part is that often the woman thinks that they are building a new friendship, then the guy suddenly professes his love, and then turns out everything they did was not to be friendly or nice, but because they were expecting romance/sex in return. Which sucks. I’m not from the US so the whole “buying things” is not really big where I’m at, I’ll always give as much as I get. The point is that if a man has romantic intentions, he needs to be clear about…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:15 PM
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And my point still stands. When I’m making new friends they also often try to impress me, and I do the same. If there’s nothing else to indicate that they have romantic intentions, that can be frustrating, if they expect romance
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:11 PM
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No, I haven’t. But that’s not the case in the OP - niceguys are guys who do nice things for you over a period of time, as described in OP and then see that as romantic advances, without letting the woman know that their intentions are romantic/sexual. I don’t meet guys at the pub or message me on a (dating) app, and decide they are nice guys or have friendly intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:08 PM
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I have plenty of friends who buys me gifts or does favours for me. They did that before we knew each other very well as well, however they havent pursued anything romantic/sexual
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:05 PM
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Aaaand everyone I’ve dated have been nice as well, otherwise I wouldn’t date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:03 PM
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It’s really not. I have many nice friends who are definitely not boring
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:03 PM
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And you’re free to do that. What I like shouldn’t dictate what you like
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:59 PM
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It’s not really good either, is it? I might sleep with a man that I would not be in a relationship with, but I would never sleep with a man that has bad morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:29 PM
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Lol, where on earth do you hear that and conclude that is the feminist view? There are women out there that suck, but what you mention is neither the general opinion of women nor is it feminist beliefs. I feel bad that men are struggling on dating apps, having a hard time getting laid if they’re not attractive. That sucks for them. It’s not womens fault however, and women should not be blamed for having preferences. Just as men are allowed to not want to sleep with obese women, or women they oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:28 PM
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Definitely not. Can you give me any example?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:11 AM
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I’m sorry that has been your experience with feminists. The ones I know both like men and care about their issues as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:03 AM
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I think it’s oversimplifying it. Some men will choose A, some will choose B. Some women will choose A, some will choose B. In any case, good for them - they should do whatever they like
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:11 AM
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Marriage can be good for women, if they find the right man. However, we live in a patriarchal society where old gender norms are still relevant to some degree, which means that many men expect that once they get married, the wife should do the majority of the cleaning/cooking/raising children/managing the household. Which is not a good deal for women. Many years ago, women had to put up with it because they couldn’t work and earn their own money, but now that they can, they don’t need a man. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:05 AM
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I’m not sure I agree, but let’s pretend I do: Why is that a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:00 AM
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Who says that she would have more succes? If the guy she wants doesn’t want her, that’s the same. And true, I’d personally rather be single than settle. I’m happy being single, I’m not gonna change that unless it’s someone I’m really into (wheter it’s looks or personality) I know it’s different problems, but it really isn’t as great as you think, because it’s 95% of guys just wanting to fuck because they’ll fuck anything. But I do get your struggles too, and yeah I’d rather have a lot of guys wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:58 AM
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No. I obviously can’t speak for all women, but I think most would agree that they would not wanna sleep with a man who has bad morals
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:43 AM
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It’s literally the same for women though. What if a woman doesn’t want one of the men who wants her? Believe it or not, most women do not have a lot of men “choosing her” at all times. Do we get a lot of offers to fuck? Yes. But that’s not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:37 AM
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She actually sympathizes a lot and relates to the struggles of incels. You may not agree with her, but I think it’s worth a watch
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:33 AM
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Thank you for sharing! I saw it was 30+ min and was like lol, I’m not watching all of that but what a great creator, and a really nice take on the whole debate. I finished it, and enjoyed every bit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:32 AM
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