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Who are the women talking about the bar being low for mens look? I’ve not noticed that at all, only seen it in regards to their behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:21 PM
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I agree with the comment below this one but also wanted to add: I think a lot of men (and women as well) tend to overestimate how kind, caring, emotionally intelligent and vulnerable they truly are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:17 AM
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But it’s not irrelevant to that person, and that’s what matters. That’s why personal hierarchies make more sense - look for someone who checks the boxes for what you want, not what other people say you should want
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:14 AM
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I love for men to be open with me about whatever struggles they have, as long as it’s not one-sided. I’ve had dates with men who realized they could talk to me about their problems, but then that’s all it was - them letting me be their therapist. I’m not into that at, and especially if I don’t know them too well
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:54 PM
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I think it comes down to gendered differences. I’m a woman. If I want a relationship, my main reasons for that would not include “access to regular sex” because it’s not that difficult for me to find someone to have sex with. If I wanted a partner, it would ofc be someone I’d have sex with but sex is not one of the reasons I would want a partner. And it seems icky to me that it’s the reason someone else would, but I guess that’s not fair because a relationship is probably the only way some men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:08 AM
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Omg stop stalking me you creep. I have nothing against sex, I just don’t want my vagina to be seen as my main value
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 03:26 PM
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I’m not gonna disagree with you because I don’t but I think the comment is quite off topic regarding the debate on wheter only attractive men are making too many sexual advances on first dates and dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:21 PM
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It’s not to do with looks at all, it’s to do with intentions. I’d say I’m below average, which might explain it, but in my experience it’s all kinds of men who want to just have sex. Like, it doesn’t have to do with their looks at all, and if we follow the thoughts in here, it’s likely that most of the men also aren’t more interested in genuine relationships just because they’re below or average, but they’ll do it because their options to have casual sex are much slimmer. Doesn’t stop them from …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:53 PM
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We don’t think all men are rapists, but we don’t know who is. We don’t know strangers and it’s not like rapists just give away their identity as one. A woman you’ve had a child with is presumably someone you know enough to have an idea if she could have cheated or not. It’s not a good comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:44 PM
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As a woman who have experience with unattractive men, I’m just speaking from what I’ve seen. They are just as into casual sex as attractive men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 12:27 PM
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They do not. It’s fine if someone doesn’t want a relationship, but either: This person is only interested in relationships and would like the men who aren’t to pursue others instead, or They’d actually be fine with having casual sex at times, as long as the men were honest about their intentions and it wasn’t the first thing they brought up. I do casual sex, and also on the first date, but never if it’s brought up before the date or if they expect it to happen. I need to go on the date to see if…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:05 AM
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Unattractive men are the same
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:59 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:56 AM
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It doesn’t make you a bad person to want to attract women. But if you’d give up being a good person to do that, then you aren’t a good person. If you’re thoughts are that you’d be okay with being a bad person, as long as you get women, then you’re not actually good
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:37 AM
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Orrrr maybe some guys are attractive AND nice. Most attractive guys I know are plenty nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:02 PM
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Then you are already not a good person, so there’s nothing to trade with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:01 PM
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But that’s not how it is though. Most partnered people I know are not shitheads
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 10:44 PM
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With that kind of rhetoric, I hope no one woman is unlucky enough to take interest in you. That’s disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:58 PM
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Lol, no. I think men deserve happiness. I also think it’s possible to find happiness, while still being a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:55 PM
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Yes, and good men do get laid lol. As someone else said: it’s not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:55 PM
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I do think people deserve happiness, but I think it’s important to be a good person, otherwise you’ll impose on others happiness. Do I think you have to buy flowers and be a gentleman? No, but I do think you need to be kind and respectful. It’s the bare minimum imo. I know some assholes manages to get women, but if you’d really be okay with being an asshole, you weren’t ever nice in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:54 PM
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Because being a good person is more important than attracting women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:21 PM
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It is, of course it is. But it’s not enough on it’s own
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:59 PM
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That is equality exactly, and I’m just kinda concerned that you think all the losers are men and that losing will be completely new to women. Your life isn’t just good and comfortable when you’re a woman, you do know that right? We don’t want “the male experience”, we want a unisex experience, equal opportunities for all genders when it comes to society based structures
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 10:36 PM
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There’s plenty of men in offices, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:53 PM
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Women are different individuals, just like men are. Some women are tough by nature, some are not. The point of this is all the men in this thread complaining that there aren’t enough women in construction jobs, when men in construction jobs are keeping women out. Like.. do you want us to do hard labour or not? Make up your mind
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:23 PM
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YES, we want to play the same lottery. Not a lot of people are gonna be multibillionares, no - but you do have a say in how your life unfolds. It’s not either being the top 1% or the bottom. You have options, and that’s what women also want, and luckily have gotten closer to having. How do you think women’s lives are different, apart from having been kept from mens positions by societal norms? What do you imagine a woman’s life to be like, that is so much better than the average man?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:20 PM
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Women get office positions because they are qualified for them and it’s good to have a workplace of both men and women. You can’t force someone to do a job they don’t want to, but there are many ways to make a plumber workplace more appealing to women, if you truly wanted more women to be plumbers. Then some of the men there could work at nursing homes or daycares, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:38 PM
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Freedom of speech is the freedom to say whatever you want (with limitations) not a right to approach others. It’s also not illegal to approach others, but when women ask men not to approach them on the street, why do they still do it? Life can be uncomfortable, but why shouldn’t we try and make it as comfortable for anyone ad possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:36 PM
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If men want office positions, they should educate themselves to get them, just as women also do. Men are not choosing to be plumbers or ditch diggers as a favour to society, they are doing it because it’s a job and they fit the requirements. If nobody wanted to do plumbing anymore, yeah we’d have a problem - but that’s not where we’re at right now. It’s also the truth, at least where I’m from. It’s something that’s heavily debated on the news, with many men coming forward and being honest about …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:34 PM
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Yes, they want the option to do the same as men - And they’ll work as hard as the top tier men to get the top tier jobs. If work places in construction were less misogynist, maybe more women would wanna work there
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:27 PM
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To that I’d say nobody is entitled to hit on a stranger or make someone else uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:26 PM
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They would be more than welcome to, in the right setting and in the right way. However, a lot of men are unable to do that - they approach women on the street, throw sexualized comments in their faces and make women uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:18 PM
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Of course not. I don’t want people to ignore me, but I want strangers to stop interacting with me in the way they do because they think they can get me to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:00 PM
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They want to have the same options as men in society, and not be told that they should do x or y simply because they are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:59 PM
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I really don’t think they are, but it’s mindblowing when men think they’ve singlehandedly created the world we live in. Especially when they were born in the last fifty years and had nothing to do with any inventions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 11:11 AM
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I stopped reading when you stated how everything we know today is invested by or build by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 10:18 AM
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Who said that it should?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:11 PM
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But who said anything about chasing after someone JUST based on sexual attraction? Wasn’t the original point that both things are important?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:10 PM
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Amen :’)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:45 AM
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I’m from Europe, live in a capital city. I definitely think it’s an urban thing - We have so much to do all the time, so many things to do and see and so many people to hang out with. I think to many people who live like I do there is nothing appealing about traditional relationships/families, but my family is from a small town and my siblings who still live there are all married
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:43 AM
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Look, as women we encourage you to get your AI sexrobots. If they are fulfilling enough for you, that’s great! Contrary to what many men here believe, we don’t want men to be unhappy, just because we don’t want to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:36 AM
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That’s not the point though. Lets assume they are the way they are, and satisfied with that. You don’t have to settle for these women, but the fact is that eliminating all these will make it harder for you to experience succes in dating, in case you’re just average yourself. And there’s nothing wrong with having standards, as long as you’re okay with the chance that it’ll lead to being single forever
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:26 AM
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We do care about mental health. But that doesn’t mean we have to date someone we’re not compatible with. There are women who have similar issues, and also women who prefer staying home, who are not super outgoing and so on - they’d likely be a match. I wouldn’t put off dating a man just because he has mental health issues - if those issues leads to him being very anxious and a homebody and not very social, then we are not compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:17 PM
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Ahh okay, so you’re a misogynist. Womens experiences aren’t valid, they’re just insane, got it. It was not stating that you do that, it was general advice. Though honestly with the way you double down, and think about women, I’d be surprised if you haven’t made some women uncomfortable already. Feel free to think that me debating this issue with you makes me creepy, I don’t concern myself with what misogynists think of me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 12:41 PM
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Look at the replies from women on here. Do you think all of them are neurotisk basketcases? When THIS MANY women tell you that this behaviour makes them uncomfortable, don’t double down and make it their problem. Listen, and stop doing things that make others uncomfortable The point is also that you don’t KNOW if you’re in danger or not. It’s not an irrational fear
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:06 AM
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Why should I? Just leave women alone and it’ll likely happen at some point. We agree that it’s dusk, if it’s that time. I see what you’re saying, but she has every right to tell the scenario as she experienced it. She thought it was creepy, and she chose to explain it like that. The thing you don’t get it as that some men dl not take rejection well. And as a woman, we don’t know who these men are. So one might approach us, and be cool when we say no, but we don’t know that until it happens, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 09:27 AM
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Yes. Most women also do not like cold-approaching, especially in places where they are not open to conversation, e.g. when in a parking lot alone at dusk. You can pursue women without going up to a literal stranger in a parking lot at dusk and asking them out. There’s loads of other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:26 AM
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I think you’re overestimating how strong of a word creepy is. Your definition of creepy is not necessarily the true one; for me creepy can be a lot of things and it definitely doesn’t only apply to predators. I think most women who use creepy do not do it to liken someone to a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:20 AM
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Nope, there are many other issues you’ll experience due to racism. These were just the obvious one to point out, since no one was ever enslaved or killed for being short
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:04 AM
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So don’t cold-approach women in the whole of America, easy solve
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 08:01 AM
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You say “I’ll answer though” and then proceed not to
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:59 AM
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Why do you think you have the right to social interactions that women state clearly they do not want? All the women in this thread are saying they don’t want to be approached and asked out in a parking lot where they’re alone. How difficult is it to say “ok, I respect that and will not do that”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:58 AM
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It’s a normal feeling to be alert when a stranger approaches you in a parking lot when it’s getting dark and you’re alone, with no where to run away. It has nothing do with anxiety, and is a very normal feeling - you might not have it, but most if not all women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:56 AM
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Yeah, so the thing is.. if you act in a way that makes other people uncomfortable, that makes you creepy. It’s your actions, no matter the intent, that will make women (and others) see you as creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:52 AM
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No one said they felt felt like they were lowkey almost assaulted, they said that this situations is uncomfortable and the man is creepy for not understanding that it would make them uncomfortable. That’s a fair assesment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:51 AM
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It would also be creepy for an attractive man to do that, in a parking lot at night. Ted Bundy vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 07:44 AM
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Yes, but it’s not comparable. One, possibly both, might make dating harder, while the other affects you in nearly every aspect of life. There aren’t active hate groups that try and take away the rights from short men, or excuse violence towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 10:26 PM
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For men, not specifically short men and likely not based solely on the fact that they are short. People are killed for being not-white
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 10:23 PM
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You’re right - If you go to my comment history, you’ll see I responded to that exact argument in another thread, and then I’ve managed to get them mixed up. That’s my mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:20 PM
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What historically happened can be relevant, but it does not have to determine what is and how it is today. So it USED to be for men, back when men were in charge and women had no rights, but luckily now we have got to a point where most of the world realize that the genders are equal human beings. It’s disgusting that there still men out there who think they are or should be in control of what women can and can’t do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 01:18 PM
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As in: racism and treating people of certain heights differently are both wrong, but they are wrong in different ways
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:53 PM
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I’m sorry to hear that, that sucks. Even so, I think it’s two seperate issues that do not compare well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:53 PM
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Universities, schools and workplaces - You want them back? That means you think that this (HUGE) part of society belongs to men and is something you can allow women to participate in. Why do you think that? That’s what I’m questioning. Why do you believe men own these things, and women are only allowed to use it because men let them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:26 PM
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Nothing like that, you’re very welcome to discuss the challenges that average men face in dating, and I’m not neglecting their issues. But saying that being rejected because of ones height is similar to racism is completely whack
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:15 PM
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Yes, but not for short men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 12:14 PM
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Please stop comparing dating problems with racism. One leads to lack of sex/intimacy, the other to violence and death
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 11:43 AM
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Why do you think men own the world? Why do you think you own everything and have the power to let women do or not do things?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 11:41 AM
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Right, but racism got you enslaved and killed. Being short made your dating life harder. It’s insanity to try and compare the two
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 08:08 AM
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Relating it to racism 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 05:00 PM
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You can be ugly and confident, it still makes you more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 09:11 AM
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I have three sisters and two brothers. I’m a woman myself. What I learned is that people of the same gender are widely different. Two of my sisters got married at 22, and are still married to the same men. The third one is more like me, but she’s also married now. My older brother is single and has been for most his life, and I see why. He’s very entitled and demanding, and doesn’t have a lot of emphaty. He expects women to be one certain way, and cater to him, which I get why no woman wants to.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:54 PM
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How was I supposed to know what you meant, when you at the same time said it’s natural to not have times for friends by then? I think we’ll just have to disagree. My friends are there in important moments of my life, both the single and partnered ones. I live with one of my best friends, so I’m not lonely at night or in the morning either, and if I was, she’s right there. I’m not saying my lifestyle would make just anyone happy, but I do think friends are a lot more important than a lot of peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 01:20 PM
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Women don’t need a man, women aren’t the only ones struggling and they aren’t struggling because they are women. They’re struggling because of the financial crisis, which is affecting mostly everyone, also couples. A man is not gonna be the “saviour” in this scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:52 PM
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Why though? Why do you need either of those reactions? You can just not care about them, lol. Let them live their life. You don’t need to take my advice if you don’t want it, I’m just telling you that if you’re not experiencing love and care in your friendships, then they aren’t real friendships lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:09 PM
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Why do you hate single career women? Having a cat or dog does not mean you are sad. Being single doesn’t mean you are sad. Also where did the anti-depressant comment come from? Do you really think people are depressed are so because they don’t have a partner? Just because you haven’t experienced great friendship, does not mean that others can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:02 AM
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You said “people don’t have time for friends anymore(…)” And then you go on saying that you want a partner because they would be exclusive to you and prioritize you - I think that’s part of the problem. If you expect your partner to spend their time exclusively on you and be available to you at all times, then obviously they will not have time for friends, which really isn’t healthy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:00 AM
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Women don’t want a man who is only interested in them because they are “young and hot” - Women want a man who views them as a person. Also why is it that “men bringing something to the table = career and money” while “women bringing something to the table = you’re and appearence”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 08:46 AM
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And to that I can only say again, I don’t think you’ve experienced real friendships then, otherwise friends would mean something more to you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 08:40 AM
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I disagree. I don’t get the obsession with having a partner, over anything else. I also don’t experience loneliness, but that’s because I have a lot of friends. If I had a partner, but not my friends, I’m 90% sure I’d be more lonely than I am now. In the end, different people want different things - but if your friends drop you the moment they get a partner, or you expect to do that to them when you get a partner, then I don’t think you’ve experienced true friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 08:04 AM
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What an awful way to talk about women, or other people in general
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:40 PM
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I agree completely
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:33 PM
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Men say they are lonely, socializing with friends combat loneliness. But maybe it’s because they’re not really lonely, they’re just horny? Or maybe they do just want a romantic connection, which is fair as well, but if that’s out of reach which it sometimes is for a period of your life, making and hanging out with friends is a lot better than isolating and getting bitter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:32 PM
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I’m sorry, but the mindset that once you get a partner, you should stop having friends and just hang out together is soooo toxic. I can not for the life of me imagine a more sad life than only socializing with a partner/immediate family
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:30 PM
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Women*
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:24 PM
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Woman*
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 07:23 PM
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Who are you to decide what are right and wrong things to prioritize. Men and women should both be allowed to live their life however they want, settling down or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 01:15 PM
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I think it speaks to the fact that not many men consider themselves or their friends to be below average, even when they likely are
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:24 AM
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Which they might not be able to anything about. That doesn’t mean they will never be able to date, but if they are unattractive AND struggle with the things I’ve listed, it’s gonna be very difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:01 AM
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You can’t ask that in such broad terms. Different men have different reasons why attracting women is difficult. Something I think a lot have on here have in common is: Not much of a social life in general, a not-so-great view on women, and not satisfied with their lives, but doing nothing to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:48 AM
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Why wouldn’t women support it? Believe it or not, most of us wish others well, even if they’re strangers and undesirable to us. If it can make some men happier, that’s great! I’m happy for them. It’s not harming me in any way, so why would I be upset?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:26 PM
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I don’t categorize people by rp logic and tinder works just fine for the same purpose
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:58 PM
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Why do you think it doesn’t benefit women to have casual sex? Many women have a sex drive as well, and want to explore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:42 AM
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Not the average man, but the man who does it is likely average. Meaning: average men can leave bad impressions on women as well
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 06:12 PM
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“Men are trash” doesn’t necessarily come from rejection or being treated badly by a (sexual) partner. It comes from all interactions with men, including average Joes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:26 PM
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You wrote females. It’s called women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:11 PM
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Do you really think the women who are referred to as trophy wives would be considered bums if single?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:11 AM
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So what are you doing personally? Not guys in general, but you. What do you do in life to make yourself more attractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:10 AM
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Women*
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:52 AM
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Really doesn’t, no. Having a social life is really not unattainable standards
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:50 AM
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If that was the truth, then why did the other commenter say that the ex wife weren’t close with the other women? There are plenty of single men who are part of social circles
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:14 PM
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We’ll have to disagree with that. Close or not close, if he’s the ex partner of someone in the social circle who they still ser, that would make it weird. I don’t agree with their choice, but it was not because he was single - if he came back with a new girlfriend, he still wouldn’t be allowed in
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:22 AM
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While I agree that their behaviour is shitty, this is different from the scenario you first put up. Their reluctance to let him in their social circle was not that he was single, but that he was an ex partner of one of their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:18 AM
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Are you struggling socially in general, or just when it comes to dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:00 AM
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That’s not my experience. I’m sorry if it’s yours, but I don’t agree that that’s a general thing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:53 AM
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Which is fair. But that’s not gonna change most women’s mindset on this. You might find some introverted women who don’t care
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:28 AM
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It’s different because dating is such a personal thing. You can pay women equally, because that’s not a personal thing. You can’t expect women to date or have sex with men they are not attracted to, that infringes on their personal rights
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:26 AM
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Maybe you’re right about that. World’s not fair. Very few women are into men who have no social life
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:23 AM
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Why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:21 AM
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If you think all a woman is good for is sex, then I feel bad for the women dating you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 11:29 PM
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I think many below average men see themselves as average
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 11:28 PM
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Lol, I don’t watch street interviews, they’re obnoxious
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:03 AM
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What do you mean he is the table? Do you think a man is the main character, while a woman is just a side character or what are you trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:01 AM
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I think some people are stuck in the past. Maybe it’s a cultural thing as well. I would not expect any of this from a man lol, I’m perfectly capable of making my own money, and yeah I would like to be treated to stuff sometimes but I’d do it back just as much. I don’t agree that these are things men do exclusively for women - I think it reflects what a traditional couple used to be, but for the you ger generation today, I don’t think it will be the same. Maybe for the conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:00 AM
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Not sure what you mean by that. So if I don’t make more money, then I’m not as good? Even if I make the same money?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:19 PM
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Sure, but that still does not make sense in regards to what I wrote. You’re saying a man wants to commit to someone who is not the same as him: Why would you assume I was the same as him? Why would you assume I was the a less good version of him? If a man only wants a relationship because he wants a partner to provide him with food and cleaning (and sex ofc) then yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:15 PM
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I don’t understand what you mean by that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:00 PM
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You think that women should clean the home and cook food for you, and you wouldn’t take them seriously if they didn’t. Then you say “unless they want to settle for a dude who doesn’t offer much” - How are you not that dude? What do you offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:57 PM
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As a woman: I don’t like cooking, I don’t like cleaning. I hate doing laundry. I find all that to be boring, time consuming chores. I do them because I have to. I have absolutely no interest in living with someone who’d expect me to do even more of that. I’m educated and will make my own money, I don’t need a man to work hard and provide for me. If I’m ever gonna date a man, it’d be because we were equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:54 PM
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“Dote on” how? What are men expected to do for their wives, that their wives don’t also do for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:51 PM
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I think there’s a culture thing here. What do you mean “most men are taking care of their entire family” - How are they doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:50 PM
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Controlling is also controlling what other people can and can’t wear
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:50 PM
1

No, but that is the comment I am responding to, and if you are not arguing from the point of the original comment, then you are derailing the conversation and pulling my first comment out of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 09:01 PM
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The point is that while the top 20% might attract more women, there are many more still able to attract some women. Yes, some marriages are affected because one or the other is not attracted, but it’s not 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:30 PM
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Probably yes. But what does it matter if they’re happy together?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:30 PM
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I agree with your point but have to add that 80% of men are not single, maybe the top 20% is more attractive but it doesn’t mean the rest aren’t attractive to someone
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:00 PM
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It’s fair that you feel that way, but you can’t speak for everyone. I’m single and I’m happy. I have a tight friendgroup, and plenty of other social groups I spend a lot of time with. I don’t want a partner, I don’t want children. I’m not lonely, and I’m not unhappy. There’s no shame in wanting a partner, but when people Express that they are enjoying their single life, it often means that they are enjoying their single life. Not everyone wants the same, and that’s okay
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:10 AM
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I’m lumping it together because you have to be socially awkward to be outwardly misogynist and bitter. Probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:59 AM
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It’s likely because of gendered bias, but I don’t see the 6ft stereotype in action. I see more men complain about it, than I see women saying that’s what they want and the ones I’ve seen say it are the tiktok/Instagram influencers that average men aren’t going to be dating anyways. In other female spaces, I never see a serious criteria for the guy to be 6ft
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:12 AM
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I agree that it must suck to hear that from women, but many of the men who post here are not good men. They are misogynist, bitter and socially awkward. Being socially awkward does not make you bad, but it makes dating you difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:05 AM
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Well when the complaint or frustration is “women suck, because they only want to date chads and it’s their fault I’m single” then it’s very much blaming women. I wonder if you have an example of another way these men show frustration, which is the misconstrued to be blaming women when in reality it’s not that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:50 AM
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What do you mean they get nothing? They get friendship, social interaction and stuff like that. If you’re doing a lot of favours, but are being ignored when asking for help, maybe that’s just not a relationship worth having. I see what you mean with the implications of my language - I was only trying to spell out some of the other things that count as something, even if it’s not sex (as is the only thing these guys think count) I am kind to people because it makes me happy. I do expect people to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:02 PM
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It goes beyond politeness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:54 PM
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Maybe I am in context to strangers, however with people I like such as friends/coworkers/aquintances, I do nice things for them and they do nice things for me. Like these “nice guys” do nice thing for women, and complain they get “nothing” in return - They might not get sex, but that definitely doesn’t mean they get nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:16 PM
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I’m sorry to hear that’s your experience. That sucks. I know plenty of men who regard women as human, just the same way they regard men. They might want to sleep with some of them, but it’s not their only reason to interact with women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:12 PM
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It’s okay to resent their place, it sucks and I have sympathy for them. It’s not okay to blame women for their position
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:11 PM
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Why do you think that? It sounds like you’ve had a tough life, but I can guarantee you that most people do actually give a fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:06 PM
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It feels nice to be nice. Most people you meet will be nice in return, which leads to a more positive energy in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:05 PM
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You get plenty in return when you’re nice to people. I’m nice to everyone I meet, and I get met by niceness in return, be it a smile, a positive remark or just a nice conversation. I help my friends out with lots of different stuff, and they do the same for me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:04 PM
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I’m sorry to hear that is your experience. Most people I encounter are nice to other people because it feels great to be nice and have people be nice to you. Most people I know care about other people, wheter they know them or not, even if there’s a different degree of caring for someone you know
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:01 PM
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Then make sure to make friends continously, and friends who have the same interests/lifestyle as you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 06:54 AM
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Says who? Sex is a biological drive, partnering up is more a sociocultural thing than anything else. I think friends are a lot more important than a partner, your social life should not depend on one person
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:05 PM
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What do you suggest the solution is? I’m asking in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:50 PM
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Why is a partner much more important than friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:50 PM
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He shouldn’t have to be needed. We don’t want to need a man for protection, we want men to stop assaulting us
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:22 AM
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But it’s not really just the hunk. Look at male celebrities that women are into recently: Pedro Pascal being a really good example. Women want kind men, men who believe in equality and who they have fun being around
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:20 AM
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I would have to go to each single one of your comments and fold out surrounding comments. And I was going to do that, but then I saw the misogynistic shit you post, and came to the conclusion that it’s more likely they tell you those things because you hate women, not because you don’t want to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:10 PM
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That’s not been my impression with the single people I know. I’m chronically single myself, and while personally I also would prefer a partner, the kind of relationship I want is very unrealistic to find someone I vibe with who wants the same, which means I’ll likely be single. And that’s fine. I’d rather be single than in a “traditional” relationship (not even speaking of traditional values but stuff like living together, being monogamous and so on)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:01 PM
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The height thing is wildly inflated by the internet. The only one I know who cares about a guy being 6 ft is myself, and that’s because I’m 6 ft. And tbh I don’t care if he’s a bit shorter. Online it looks like all women only want tall men, but that’s not how it works in reality. Looking and feeling good about your looks is not only relevant in dating, that’s why beauty standards hurt both genders. Maybe women are more shallow than men. It could seem that way, but if they want a relationship and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:54 PM
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Back then women didn’t have the same opportunities, which means most women would automatically be below men in income/education. Also men dating below their education/income level is totally up to them. It doesn’t make women bad for not wanting to. “Where are all the good men” refers to men who treat women well, e.g. believe in an equal relationship, and treat women (wheter dating them or not) as human beings. Can you point me to any of those articles? I have not seen a single article talking ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:48 PM
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No, I wouldn’t know. There are shallow men and shallow women, it all hurts themselves in the end if they’re looking for a relationship but get stuck on small imperfections. That’s their problem. I’m not saying it’s generally true that women don’t want average men, but if it was, that’s their choice. I don’t think women are more judgemental than men. And fatness is a whole other debate, but I see more men complaining about fat women than reversed. We’re probably both biased because of our gendere…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:52 PM
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I see the articles, and tweets you talk about to, but I understand them differently. Men complain that women want “tall, rich and over-average men” when what those articles often ask for is for men to contribute to the household (not just financially, but in terms of housework and childcare) treat women with respect (not send them nudes, or see them as access to sex while judging them for having sex) and not be controlling. Which many men tend to do, not all! But many men have outdated expectati…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:50 PM
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I agree with most of your points, but not the “women would happily bare the brunt of housework if with a rich man” Times have changed, women can make a living for themselves, and while some find housemaking to be nice lifestyle, many just don’t. Women want careers as well, they want to go out and socialize and use their abilities. Men don’t need to make more money, some might be able to find a family like that, but the easier path is accepting a 50/50 at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:41 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:35 PM
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That’s a weird take, but you’re allowed your opinion. There are people who thrive being single though, or who have just decided that between being single or dating someone they don’t want, single is the better option. That’s fair, it’s their choice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:29 PM
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Well if they are unhappy being single because they can’t get the specific type of person they want, I feel sorry for them. There’s not really a solution to it, other than re-evaluate your life choices. You’re not gonna get everything you want, and you’ll have to accept that at some point and re-evaluate your goals to find happiness in some other way. We all have a certain degree of personal freedom, and we’re not gonna be happier if we take that freedom away when it comes to dating and relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:28 PM
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Maybe he sucks, maybe he doesn’t. I understand that it must be really sad to crave romantic relationships and struggling to find them, I can emphatize with that. But the solution is not that women should date men they don’t want to, we need to talk about other ways we, as a society, can support men to not feel lonely, or sad. But yeah, if he’s not willing to consider other options than sex as the solution, there’s just nothing we can do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:53 PM
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I don’t surround myself with toxic people, so I would not. I try not to use incel at all. The only time I dislike incel men is when they get hateful towards women because they are unable to get laid and blame women for that. If they are unhappy they can’t get laid, I emphatize with them, but it’s not womens fault. And if they don’t want to date, that’s fine too, I would never judge someone for that, unless their reasoning boils down to hating women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:50 PM
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I might be self centered, but I’m definitely not a narcissist - you might want to read more up on what that is :) I have plenty of great friends, and I would never do anything to hurt others, wheter I know them or not. I’m just not willing to sacrifice my personal happiness for “the sake of humanity’s existence” and I don’t think anyone should.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:20 PM
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You’re contradicting yourself here. You say they are miserable, yet that they are able to get what they want when they want it. I don’t believe either of the statements to be right, but my point stands
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:12 PM
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I would never call a man a manchild for deciding to be single, over dating someone he’s not really interested. And to the last of your comment: lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:10 PM
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So what? We are not individually responsible for humanity, and tbh I couldn’t care less if we go extinct. Would be better for the planet anyways lol. I mean, I have one life. I’m gonna live it for me, how I want
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:10 PM
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I don’t agree with what you say, but even if that was true, what’s the issue? She can just be alone then. That’s her choice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:40 AM
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Why is it unsustainable? If women would rather be single than date average men, then that’s their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:25 AM
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You don’t get to tell women what their standards should be though. Most women absolutely know they are not gonna be with a “Chad” - average men are not comparing with “Chad”, they are competing with the single life, which for women is often pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:24 AM
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It’s not, but many men (at least on here) who consider themselves average, are not. Maybe in looks, but personalitywise they tend to have very little understanding of women, and even less interest in understanding women. A lot also seem to dislike women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:45 PM
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As a woman, with many friends that are women, I can tell you that is just not the case :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 07:45 AM
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Not every women can get asked out. Many women don’t get asked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 07:09 AM
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That’s a belief, not a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 07:08 AM
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Maybe. But I’m not talking about sex, I’m talking about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:12 PM
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And there’s no guarantee we would be able to find a partner. We’d be able to find someone who’d fuck us, but that’s not what a partner is
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:06 PM
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Yes, if we are willing to lower our standards dramatically we will, and so would most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:05 PM
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If you were a woman doing what you wanted and that was eating cheetos and playing video games, and then complained you couldn’t find a partner, you would definitely also be blamed for it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:00 PM
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Women*
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:22 AM
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Oh wait lol, I think I misunderstood your reply
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:13 AM
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Yes. Its average to have friends. So average on one aspect at least
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:12 AM
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You are SO set on the height and appearence perspective, and have clearly not spend anytime on twox at all. If you did, you’d realize that women are not complaining that men are too short or ugly, they’re complaining that men get away with being manipulative, abusive and so on, and that is NOT the woman’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:19 PM
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They are judged by both. In regards to dating, you might say they are not judged as harshly and I’m not sure I agree, but mainly what women worry about with their appearence is not just dating, but existing in society in general. Believe it or not, being fit is not the only beauty standard for women :))
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:31 AM
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Yes, I agree. But we should lead with getting them to consider what is most important: a partner that’s 6ft but you probably won’t get, or a partner that’s shorter but realistic to find? If they choose the first and end up lonely, that’s still their choice
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:41 AM
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Women aren’t hurt by beauty standards with men as the primary judge, but society. Beauty standards are difficult for both genders, but for different reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:40 AM
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I wasn’t interested in replying to your comment but saw the other one underneath telling you to “just lose weight and get jacked” so I felt a need to say “don’t take that to heart.” On paper it’s that easy, but in reality it’s not, and even if it was, it may not align with what you value in life. I’m a chubby woman, and I’ll admit that I am picky when it comes to men, but I’d never sort out a chubby man because of that - I’m picky in personality and need political/moral values that align with mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:59 PM
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Probably something about avoiding women all together because “women aren’t worth anything anyways”/s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:42 PM
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No matter how tough it is for men out there, women are entitled to their preferences, no matter if you or I or everyone thinks those suck. I’m not sure why you’d wanna date someone with that preference either, if you’re not what they’re looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:41 PM
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Maybe that’s true to a certain degree - I definitely believe some men experience that, and that average men has less luck in dating, but the average man likely won’t be single forever. Less than average men might.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:37 PM
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Agree 100% ofc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:31 PM
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That’s not my experience, which I’d say is just as valid as yours
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:54 PM
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Well if experience count as facts, I can counterargue with my experience as a woman who doesn’t value that, and with friends who do not value that either. It might be stupid, the ones who do, and I would say if they want a relationship, yeah they should probably re-evaluate their priorities, but in the end that’s their choice, and we can’t blame mens unhappiness on that. Or we can in some ways, but we don’t get to demand or ask them to change, because they are living their lives how they want an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:50 PM
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I honestly agree with everything you say here. As a woman who is very career-focused, or rather - who doesn’t thrive in a locked position/with every day being the same, I can’t at all relate to the women who are interested in traditional partnerships, but I realize they are out there. And then, yes, a man who provides is a huuuge benefit. I think because it’s difficult for me to relate to that, with no interest in children and especially NO interest in raising them, it’s hard for me to have the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:47 PM
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But that’s not how things are in reality, most women do not care that a man should be 6ft. It’s a thing that some women prefer, that’s been blows out of proportions on the internet. Of course they’d want to be attracted to their partner, but we all have different standards. Even if we didn’t, even if all women only wanted to date 6ft tall models, that would still be alright - it would be unrealistic and stupid, but it’s their choice. But if they choose to stay single over dating some men, it’s p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:26 PM
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Yes, and you are allowed to be mad, your feelings are valid. It’s just not womens fault. If women are happier being single than having a family, then that’s their right. It’s okay to be mad at the way life has turned out, but it’s not fair to blame others - not saying you do that, but too many men in your situation do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:00 PM
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At no point did he say that you HAD to be single, while doing these things. You can work on finding things you enjoy, on being content alone while still being open to dating, and making an effort in that area.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:52 AM
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It’s okay to be mad, as long as you don’t project this madness onto women, for not dating you. I’m not sure how being mad will help you feel better either, so while I get the need for it, I would also look for ways to be happy despite it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:49 AM
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How is it selfless to date women? You’re not dating women for the woman’s sake, you’re dating them because YOU want to. Which is fair and good, but has nothing to do with selflessness
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:59 PM
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Hmm, I’m not sure. I think it’s partly because traditional relationship benefit men, whereas they often don’t benefit women. Judging on the answers on this sub, men don’t want a woman because they’re more romantic, but because they want access to sex and comfort. Which are fine! Women want that too, but traditionally a relationship brings more labour for a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:59 PM
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Then why don’t men stop dating women as well, if they’re not getting what they want out of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:45 PM
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Woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:22 PM
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I hate it, but from being on here I’m starting to believe that as well
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 11:58 AM
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That women can open tinder and find a “top tier guy” is not true. Some women can, the average woman cannot. In some instincts yeah, but not nearly as readily available as men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:56 PM
1

Interesting I didn’t know that! Is there any way to know how many women procreated?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:12 AM
1

I have several male friends that I’m not attracted to, but value as people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:48 AM
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You dont need to do favours to make friends. If you like your friends, you should want to and they’d want to for you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:45 AM
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I’m very curious! What is this based on? Like where does the knowledge that only 1 in 17 men reproduced come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:41 AM
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Not making general distinctions about female and male friends is a good start. Like if you treat women as if they are a totally different species, that’s not gonna make them wanna spend time with you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:40 AM
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If that’s how you view women as a general, maybe that’s got something to do with it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:39 AM
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I’m not sure I’d say it’s sad, I would also be a bit sad if I never had sex. But I’d never be lonely by not having sex, I have many other fulfilling relationships that are not romantic, and that helps a lot, but ofc I expect something more from a romantic relationship than just sex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:03 PM
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If it’s only a $3 coffee, why can’t you pay for it? Is he not valuable enough for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:39 AM
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I hate to say it, but from what I’ve seen here, the main thing many of the men in here look for in a relationship is regular access to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:37 AM
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Of course it’s not fair. And I’m sure someone out there would probably like you for how you are. Maybe you’d like them too. In the end, it’s up to you wheter or not you want to work on yourself to please others, I completely get why it sucks when put like that. But in the end people are drawn to what they are drawn to. If you’re ND, maybe try seeking out more ND people?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:32 AM
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Yes, women like that when they have consented to it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:22 PM
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I’m not. I’m genuinely curious as to why men being biologically stronger and more aggressive is something they hold back for the good of the society/women. When you write long paragraphs, I have a hard time picking out the exact answer to that question, which I’m still curious about - what is it that men biologically want to do, but can’t do?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:29 PM
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Yes, men in general are. Not all men. How do they have to hold back those things? What would they like to do that they can’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:31 PM
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More fit for what? What are men more fit for? If you give me an example, I’ll be able to answer
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:34 PM
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I’m being a 100% genuine when I say this, but I’m still not quite sure what your point is. Men are biologically stronger and more aggressive, but they are holding back from harming women, or what is it they’re holding back from?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:04 PM
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They’ll probably have to realize it’s not realistic for them to land a “hottie”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:47 PM
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It’s the same as women. Both partners should make contribute equally to a relationship. Women and men can bring the same to a relationship - like love, care, comfort, companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:29 PM
1

Can you explain in what cases men have to restrain their natural biological advances like strength and aggression? (and why is aggression considered and advance)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:26 PM
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That’s fair, but maybe that’s why they’re lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:28 PM
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Maybe male friendships are different, I’m not a man so I wouldn’t know. I put equal effort into my friendships with men and women, and the love I get in return is absolutely worth the effort
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:27 PM
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Men absolutely do not have to pay for their female friends. Mine don’t lol. Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but that sounds ridiculous and not like a proper friendship. Helping with practical stuff sounds more normal, but should be both ways. I’m not sure there’s a point in debating it for us, because if you’re right and men only want relationships, not friends, then I’ll have to agree with OP that they are at least partly to blame for feeling lonely. Again, it might be a cultural difference, but w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:09 PM
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If they are only going out to meet new people they would date, they are shutting of the opportunities to make new friends. What you said about the single women being “protected” by the group - Would it not be helpful to not go straight for the dating perspective, but maybe make friends with the group? I know it’s not as easy as it sounds, and in many places groups don’t come to meet new people, but that’s why stuff such as volunteering or social hobbies are good, not only to meet potential dates…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:35 PM
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I’m not interested in debating with you, when you’ve already decided that women are an enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 11:32 AM
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Women have been prioritzed as objects for men, nothing else
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:53 AM
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Because the system is not set up to help men, it’s set up to help wealthy, white men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:34 AM
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It can be part of life, it can’t be all of it/all of ones freetime
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:15 PM
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This is one incident though, you even say you’re surprised he said yes, and so am I. This is not something any woman can do at any time, and if she had two guys come up to her, she was probably a bit nicer than average. You thinking the two average guys were better looking than her is subjective, quite a few guys are into fat women, most just don’t shout it out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:41 AM
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They definitely do. They might not have to lower them as much, and sometimes they’ll get with men that are objectively better looking, but the “easy sex that’s available at all times” is only available at all times if you’re hotter than average or lower your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:12 PM
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Because standards are personally and you can not make anyone attracted to who they are not, wheter or not that’s “unfair to men.” I don’t agree that it takes less effort for women to get a relationship - it takes less effort for them to have casual sex, for sure, but a relationship requires work put in by both people. If you’re on about the “men are expected to pay” then I agree that that culture should change, because ofc that’s not equality. What do you mean that men are required to restrain t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 07:20 PM
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I have no clue what you’re trying to say tbh. Maybe men and women have different standards, but that doesn’t change my statement: Women have an easier time getting casual sex, but it’s not just something they can get at any time, unless they are willing to compromise on their standards, and if men did as well, they’d probably have more luck to. Am I saying they should? No. I’m just highlighting the fact that most women can’t just get whatever they want in terms of casual sex, despite many men th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:58 PM
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Well clearly it’s not being delusional if it works for her, is it? Many women also don’t care about commitment, and why wouldn’t you take the best you can get. The comment I responded to was just about sex, and pointing out that while a woman might generally have more men willing to have sex with her, it doesn’t mean she can get whoever she wants and she’ll often have to compromise on her standards to get easy sex, which many men would be able to do too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:54 PM
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Yeah, exactly. I also have friends I find attractive and wouldn’t mind sleeping with, but that’s not why we’re friends :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:11 PM
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It has nothing to do with being “one of the guys” or “different from the other girls” My male friends often have multiple female friends as well. Maybe they’d sleep with some of them given the chance, I also know some of my guy friends wouldn’t say no if I asked, but that’s not why we’re friends. Men can like women for their personality and friendship, and vice versa. I feel sorry for people who aren’t able to have friends of the opposite gender without an ulterior motive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:20 PM
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I agree that women generally have it easier, but it’s not as easy as you think - unless you don’t care who you have sex with, and I’d argue most men would be able to get laid if they abandonded their standards as well
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:14 PM
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I don’t agree with this statement. I’m sure some women care, but most I know do not - yeah, ofc it’s nicest if the guy is just slightly taller but honestly it’s not a dealbreaker to me. I have two male friends that are both quite short, one is engaged and the other has no problem getting women because he’s secure in himself
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:49 AM
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I’m planning on it already, I don’t want a traditional relationship nor do I want children. I’m not concerned. I love people in general, not just ones I’m romantically interested in or blood-related to, and I’m sure I’ll be fine to keep my friends for as long as they’re around, and add more when needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:06 PM
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What on earth are you on about? Which female leaders have started wars?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:39 AM
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Not at all. In the end I think everyone is responsible for themselves and you can date/not date or have casual sex with whoever you want. But judging men and women differently for doing the same thing just sucks :) Also the poster was pointing out the hypocritical point that men judge women for having a high bodycount, while they still often want to sleep with that woman themselves. It is hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:49 AM
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You can be in a relationship and coparent without being married though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:44 AM
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Still I’m curious to hear your thoughts on this scenario - would you only have casual sex with someone who already har a high body count? I’m not talking about men being womens fathers, I’m talking about being a decent person who treats people well, and respect them regardless of their gender
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:06 AM
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So if you met a beautiful woman with a low bodycount and she didn’t want to date you, but she would have casual sex with you, wouldn’t you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:48 AM
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Most of the victims are women, most of the perpetrators are men. Most of the people investigating and judging are men. Most people in power, who can actually help to change these issues that men face, are also men. No one is saying men aren’t having a hard time, but you’re so focused on the “who has it worse” in very specific scenarios to realize that two wrongs can exist at the same time. And to your first point, that men are treated worse - Maybe you’re right. But it’s also much less likely fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:11 PM
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But isn’t it the same when men claim that “men protect and die for the women and children” when 1) there is no war threathening us in western countries, 2) many men have never been in the military. That men argue on the base of the historically traditional mens role, while not being part of it themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:07 PM
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I mean you can leave at any point and for any reason, but be respectful about it and if you have kids, don’t leave them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:05 PM
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Women fight in the army too. As has been pointed out many times before, women wouldn’t need protection if men didn’t hurt them. Also many women are able to defend themselves, but if you care about someone you should want to protect them, no matter your gender and no matter their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:03 PM
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You really think womens only role in society is to provide men with pleasure or raise his children??? Are you for real?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:02 PM
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I feel like this would be something that’s easy to communicate, if you’re not feeling up to invest too much time or effort. You won’t be the closest you could to the person that way, but it doesn’t mean that you can’t still be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 06:35 AM
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I’ve had that situation without attraction several times. Still do now
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:45 PM
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That’s not the point. In many cases men are stronger or faster than women, but that doesn’t make them better people in general or make women lesser. You don’t need to win sports to count as a human being
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:43 PM
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Toxic people rarely show their toxic behaviour until after they get you. Maybe some guys’ behaviour makes it obvious to you, but for many women it’s often not clear. Alternatively women should just not trust any man because they can’t tell who is toxic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:36 AM
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Most toxic people don’t show their behaviour until they’ve got you. Not everyone is good at predicting who is and isn’t toxic, an alternative is if women decided to collectively not trust any man, because they can’t tell from the start who’s toxic and who isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:34 AM
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Maybe not in a specific case, but if a man only ever wanted to talk to women when he thought he might get to have sex with her, that’s dehumanizing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:13 AM
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What women are you people meeting? That’s really not the case where I’m at, that women are friends with men to get their help with stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:09 AM
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If they are ONLY interested in talking to me because they want to have sex with me, then yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:08 AM
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They did not say women deserve better than they have as a general term, they say that women deserve better than toxic behaviour and being used by a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:33 AM
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That’s definitely hurtful as well. I’m sorry if you’ve had that experience with female friends, because that’s not a friend. There are bad women just as there are bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:35 AM
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But where is the evidence? I don’t think women as a whole is ready to leave a life behind for something that may/may not be better because it doesnt make sense to me. Why’d you leave something if it works
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:07 AM
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Because relationships should be equal and they are not if one is paying for the other
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:06 AM
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That’s why I think its interesting to find out WHY they divorce. Hypergamy is a red pill assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:57 PM
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So you want women to date men they aren’t attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:31 AM
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Maybe they can’t find a relationship because their main motivation for said relationship Is access to sex, which would be a huge turn-off for any woman. Who wants to be in a relationship with someone who mainly wants them for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:23 AM
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I’m really noting the quote you responded to “most young men would love an actual relationship with regular sex” Like… maybe the reason they can’t get a relationship is because they are only interested in it so they can get access to sex, and women don’t want to be in a relationship with someone who wants them just for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:22 AM
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There are no facts in what you said, and why would I want to argue with someone who wants to take away my rights, who thinks I’m a lesser human than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:31 AM
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It doesn’t come from our biology. There’s nothing instinctual about most things we do. You are absolutely vile and I will not listen to anymore of your misogonyst ideas, and I will not respond to you any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:24 AM
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On what do you base that assumption?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:19 AM
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Because the data doesn’t tell us WHY the divorce happens. You cannot make women the enemy for initiating divorce when you don’t know why they do it. Or do you think they should stay in a relationship no matter what the man does?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:15 AM
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Oh definitely not, we’ll have to disagree on that. While biology plays some part, we are way to aware to be classified as animals. We don’t follow our instincts if it clashes with societal or cultural norms, which is enough to show me that we are more affected by the latter. Equality is only an issue for men, because traditionally their role was nicer, while women were stuck with the short end
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:13 AM
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I’m not desputing your claim that divorce rates show that women initiate divorce more than men. However, if there’s not interest in understanding why it is so, I don’t understand the need to even know. What are you gonna use that knowledge for, that women initiate more divorces?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:57 AM
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It’s not interesting to point out that there is a problem, with no interest in understanding why. That makes no sense to me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:51 AM
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Agreed. As a woman, I hate when men try to pay for me or bring me stuff when we first start dating. It makes me feel like I owe them something, which I don’t like and I’m also very capable of paying for myself
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:49 AM
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What’s your take on divorce then? Why do women want to get divorced?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:47 AM
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Why should men have to pay for women, when women are perfectly capable of paying for themselves? And “protectors” - what do we need protection from? It’s a dated gender role, and as female gender roles have evolved as well, there’s not as much need for that type of man. Which is great, imo. No one should HAVE to be anything, except for kind and honest. Let people figure out what they want from a relationship, and find someone who wants the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:47 AM
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He thinks he is more deserving than them, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:01 PM
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I’ve answered the same in another comment but there is more than one scenario here. If leading up to it, he leads her on and acts as if he wants a relationship, he is on the wrong for intentionally misleading her. If he is clear about his intent, then yeah, she doesn’t really ger to complain about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:12 AM
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Ahh wait, I see - you’re relating this point to the women who get disappointed. In some cases they definitely should have seen it coming, in others the guy is a douche who pretends to want a relationship but in reality only wants sex. Both of these cases suck
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:46 AM
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But what’s the problem in that? As long as they’re honest with their intentions. Leading someone on to have sex with them is immoral, man or woman
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:45 AM
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Hopefully not. I don’t speak for all women, but that’s just toxic - sex doesnt define you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:39 AM
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Lol. Women are allowed to have different intentions with different men, just as men are with women. What I want us all to agree on is that women should have the same right as men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:38 AM
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Just yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:37 AM
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Meh, I think there are many different kind of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:37 AM
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Because in my experience, my body is not the most valuable I have to give - my heart is. I realize you see differently, as women are just for sex in your eyes which has become clear through your other comments
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:07 AM
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They value them more thus giving the man the power to hurt the woman, which is why they would rather wait in that case
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:05 AM
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What I’m reading is that your only interest in women is to have sex. Your misogony is showing. Please leave us alone
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:05 AM
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How does it make them second choice? The men we want to date is obviously the ones we value more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:49 AM
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Well that’s his loss. Would you also call a non-virgin man “ran through”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:45 AM
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What if you dont want children? Also not every woman wants a relationship. It’s fair to have casual sex if both are honest with their intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:17 AM
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If they find a man they want, chances are there are some feelings involved which means it would hurt to be ghosted after sex, and therefore makes sense to wait and see if the connection is genuine. Some men you want to date, some men you just want to fuck - just like men feel about women. As long as everyone is honest about their intention, it shouldnt be an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:15 AM
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Too bad so sad. I think most women realize that these very attractive men are not gonna end in a relationship with them, but that doesn’t mean they can’t have fun if they want to as well. It’s okay to want to have sex with one guy for one night, and not with another
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:13 AM
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Or the men that are interested in the woman beyond sex and actually likes her company despite having to wait for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:11 AM
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To actively and with intent con someone means you think they’re less than you. Otherwise you wouldn’t feel entitled to treat them that way
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:10 AM
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I doubt I’d want to
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:10 AM
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TL;DR
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:45 AM
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“Mating choices” 😭 Honestly, I feel like a good lot of the men in here are not even interested in finding love, they just want a woman they can marry and have children with. What’s logical about love? Emotions are real. What is the point of dating if you’re doing it for logical reasons, and not to experience and share love with someone you have a special connection with? It’s sounds so cynical, and I feel bad that you must not have had someone you loved just because of who they were and what you…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 10:00 PM
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Because as I’ve already explained in another comment, while I think we need to hold crappy people accountable, we also might wanna think about what changes we can make to make the dating experience more equal. I have also already said that I realize my first comment came of as a deflecting of womens guilt, which was not my intention, and why I have explained further in now several responses
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:42 PM
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Yeah, if you look at the comments responding to mine, you’ll see that this have been brought up. I was not aware of this issue as where I’m from, splitting 50/50 is the norm. But taking advantage of men is ofc not okay either
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:59 AM
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Yeah, that’s not what I meant - of course it’s the womens fault that they are taking advantage of men, and that sucks. Those women suck. What I meant is that shitty people will always exist, and the easiest way tp avoid this situation would be to change social norms to avoid women feeling entitled to being paid for. Of course the blame is still on the women for doing it, I was just thinking in terms of what would stop it happening
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:19 AM
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It’s crappy women. My other thoughts are just that it’s difficult to change how individuals act, and while I wish those women would stop taking advantage of men, I think it’d be easier to change the culture so that 50/50 is the norm and men aren’t put in a position where women are using them. But yes, crappy women should stop being crappy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:17 AM
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What should men give up for women to be happy? What I want is a society that is equal and treats both genders the same. I want men to be happy and women to be happy, but I don’t want their happiness to be dependent on each other. I would be happy to change societal structures that make men unhappy, to help them. But I would not be willing to date a man I’m not interested in, be a housewife/servant or any other old fashioned traditional “womens role” just because men would be happy if women did t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:14 AM
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Hmm, but men are also upholding the cultural norms. I dont think American women are insufferable, but it sucks when people take advantage of other, be it men or women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:55 PM
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Yeah, definitely. Some women suck. Probably quite a few. I can see how my comment might read as trying to take the blame off of women, that wasn’t my intention - I just rarely get a chance to point out when the patriarchy hurts men, so I always jump at it when I do. Women who lead men on for free food are bad people
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:43 PM
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That sucks. And it’s one of the ways the patriarchy is hurting men (the whole “men must provide”-thing.) It obviously sucks that some women do that, I didn’t realize it bc in my culture splitting the bill is a norm (and dinner dates are rare as a starter)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:29 PM
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We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’m not gonna debate this with you, when 1) you seem to think women are ill-intended in general, 2) your choice of words and the sentence structure makes it difficult to actually respond to anything
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:22 PM
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I really don’t believe that as many women lead men on as you think, moreso that men read into situations that women don’t intend to be flirtatious. I also don’t think our cultures are comparable, because where I’m at it’s normal to split costs for date 50/50, and giving someone a gift is strange if it’s not someone you’re already seeing. Attention and validation, maybe but you can get that without intentionally telling someone you’ll have sex with them while knowing you’re gonna back out. I just…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:04 PM
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I think there’s more men intentionally leading women to believe they want to date them in order to have sex with them. What do a woman ger from leading a man to think she wants to have sex with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:51 PM
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Why wouldn’t they? Everyone should act in their self-interests. I doubt many women say they wanna have sex, and lie about it - sometimes you think you want it, get in the situation and realize it’s not what you wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:50 PM
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What’s my job?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:47 PM
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I mean, every relationsship, romantic or not, requires effort and compromise on both parts. I thought of this as a given, but I realize it might not be. However due to experiences, that are shared by many women through many years, I am absolutely careful on what I compromise on. I’m happy single, I’m happy with my life - If I meet someone that I really like and that would add value to my life, I’d be happy to date them, and then I’d be open to change some things. But if those changes took away m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:47 PM
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Lol, what. I want men to be happy, but I don’t wanna compromise womens happiness to make that happen. Men need to find a way to be happy, that doesn’t require women to sacrifice their happiness to make that happen, it’s not womens job. I’ll support men and I’ll join them if they tell me how I can help them, but not if it requires me to sacrifice my own happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:11 AM
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Because women are happy living our lives as we do now. If men are not happy with how women are now, that’s their problem - women shouldn’t change to make men happy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:48 AM
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Men like masculine and hard men. Women like fun and charming men. Look at the male actors that are super popular with women: Ryan Gosling, Pedro Pascal, Chris Pratt, Ryan Reynolds. I wouldn’t define them as masculine and hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 08:23 AM
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More than half of the traits you described are not external
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 08:18 AM
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No, because that freedom is not actually free when she is in love or in other ways attached to/in need of you) So while she is free to choose, she will not just be able to, because humans also have feelings. Having different standards for yourself and her is not alright tbh, it does not make an equal partnership
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 08:22 AM
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She does not, if she cares for you. She will not choose to leave you, and that gives you control over her, which is borderline abusive. You should be free to choose for yourself, but not control who she can or can’t see.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:26 AM
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Okay, then I have an issue with it. That goes from being equal freedom to controlling behaviour, if you allow yourself things that she’s not allowed. She deserves better
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:36 AM
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That is one scientific belief. It doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:28 PM
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I’m not sure I disagree with you, but I’m curious: if she wanted to stay friends with an ex, would you be alright with it? I think it’s fine to live your life by your own values, and share it with someone as long as they let you, but they’d need the same freedom
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:27 PM
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They should not. The norm should be to split the bill or do rounds, depending on what you are doing for the date
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:38 AM
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I’m a woman, who enjoys participating in sex, as most of my friends do as well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:50 PM
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Sounds like you’ve had a/maybe more bad experience(s). Women do plenty of work in sex - and I’m speaking in broad terms as you are
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:43 PM
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Well that doesn’t answer my question. And my answer to your question would be: you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:30 AM
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Why do you get to decide what’s appropriate or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:28 AM
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I think that’s a very depressing way to see the world - I doubt all those people who are dating/married think that they settled. The divorce rate has to do with a lot of things; as a society, although different in different countries and cultures, are still recovering from the “men go to work, so women do the childcare and household labour” and while most men are coming around to do their fair share, our parents generation (Idk your age, I’m 28) are probably influenced by past norms, and then co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:17 PM
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I don’t see it as a problem, not for me personally. It sucks for those who do want to date, but they will have to find a way to compromise. I’m fine if I date, I’m fine if I don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:50 PM
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It’s not about “top 10%” it’s about finding the right match. But honestly, look at the people in relationships/who are married? Would you say they are all top 10%?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:38 PM
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It’s not that men are worse to be with that nothing, it’s that for one reason or another these specific men do not meet these specific womens wants, or it’s just become so difficult for them to meet each other, and find the right one. I don’t think men are bad, just because I don’t want to date them. I personally like being single, so if I was to get in a relationsship, it would have to be because I met the perfect match, otherwise I just don’t really care for it. And that’s nothing to do with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:05 PM
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Why should anyone settle? I’m happy single, and while I wouldn’t mind dating if the right man for me came along, I would rather stay single than be with someone I’m not into
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:02 PM
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It’s not at all. Our society does a lot of things that doesn’t make sense from a biological perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:26 AM
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It’s not. Biologically, we may have evolved with some specific instincts, but we are also social and cultural beings, who are brought up in a society that is much more complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:41 AM
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What the actual fuck. That’s such a sad view to have of women. Humans are a lot more than our biology
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 02:38 AM
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Sex is important to women as well. But not necessarily more important than forming connections with other people on a non-physical level. If you’re honestly only interested in women for sex, that sucks for you - what a sad life to live
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:50 AM
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Whose fault is it that the boys grow up fatherless? The women, who stay by their children and do their best to raise them, or the men who jump ship because they realize it’s not that fun to be responsible? What I’m saying is not representative for all of course, but your logic is flawed. Raising children is hard work, do you really think women would prefer all of that on themselves? Why are you not blaming the men for not being father figures for their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:46 AM
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So what is that reading these kind of things and realizing men only value my vagina, not me, is gonna turn me off from dating men. And many women are likely gonna feel the same. How does that help all the men that are crying out about how unfair it is that they can’t ger any women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:40 AM
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Of course it is, but in your post it reads as one of the main reasons to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:47 AM
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Of course it is. It’s important to me too. I wouldn’t want a marriage, or relationship without sex. But listing that getting “ access” to regular sex by getting married, is one of the main reason some men want to do it, makes me sad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:45 AM
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It shows where your priorities lie, and my point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:39 AM
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If what you truly want from a marriage is just access to regular sex, then yes - you should not get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:30 AM
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Based on the bias of my lived experiences, I have not noticed it as a recurring issue, although I believe you that it happens. So no, I haven’t - but I will, if I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:55 AM
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Do you know how she forms a connection though? Maybe it’s through conversation and dancing at a night club
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:47 AM
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You don’t have to give them anything, in fact I think you should just leave them alone. Your comparison is not one I would make, it’s two completely different issues. But there’s no need to shit on other people, just because you’re not into them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:40 AM
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We could, but I’m honestly interested in his answer. Why does he feel the need to judge someone else? No one cares about his opinion tbh, on someone else’s looks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:38 AM
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There’s more of a cultural difference between Asia and the west than just their family shaming them, and I don’t believe that’s what makes the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:37 AM
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Shaming does not work, there is plenty of studies to show that. Also if it did, people would not be obese, because they are currently shamed at all times. We are working towards a world where putting others down is considered bad, yes. Why would you want to hurt other People’s feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:02 PM
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Why do you have the right to criticise someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:00 PM
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There are a million different reasons why people are obese, and struggle with losing weight. Shaming them does not work. Everyone deserves to love themselves, even if they are not perfect. If losing weight was easy/accessible to everyone, do you really think that many people would be obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:34 PM
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Well people identifying with her does not mean they are striving to look like her, it means they already do and finally see someone else like them. Also Lizzos health is between her and her doctor
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:54 AM
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Have you ever heard of the orgasm gap? Yes, women have more men offering to fuck them, but most of those men are not someone we want to fuck. And it’s very rare for women to orgasm during sex with a stranger, so no - they do not have easier access to potential sexual pleasure because most of the potential sex they have access to, would not result in pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:31 AM
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That he likes her as a person as well, not just as someone to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:28 AM
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Experience in what way? As a woman, I would not date someone who was socially awkward and didn’t have any experience with going out and about in the real world. I would be friends with them, and help them, if they’re making an effort to do better socially. If you’re thinking about sex, I’ll say that for me, it’s not about experience. I wouldn’t mind dating a virgin, however I would wonder why they were a virgin, and there might be reasons for that, that’d make me not want to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:23 AM
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You have to practice, yes - but you can practice socially skills in soooo many ways that are not dating. Join a club, volunteer, even just at your job, hang out with people without romantic intentions and get experience at being social. THEN start looking for a date. Not a lot of women want to teach a man they’re dating how to not be socially awkward, but if it’s in a friendly setting, the standards are way lower
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:20 AM
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Most women do not want “chads.” But you’re right, most women also do not want socially awkward virgin man. Men who are socially awkward might need to work on that, before focusing on dating - it’s nothing to do with any sort of game, it’s just not a lot of fun being around socially awkward people, for obvious reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:31 PM
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That is different as many social structures such as jobs, schools and so on are not based on “personal preferences” such as dating. I agree that it’s an issue that a large group of men feel like they’ve been left out of the dating field, but you can’t force someone to want to date/have sex with anyone, because that’s infringing on personal rights. Which means that we have to look at what makes this group of men undesirable to women, and try and find a solution to that. I also do not agree that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:11 PM
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I don’t surround myself with just attractive, popular people, but I see your point. I realize that it’s an issue for men that are involuntarily single, but blaming women and society is not gonna fix it, it’s just gonna make people have less sympathy with them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:42 PM
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Where do you get this idea from? I see it all the time, that women only want the top 10% men, but I’ve never seen how that result was discovered? It’s definitely not true with the people I’m around, but I’m not denying it in general
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:08 PM
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Many of the people I’ve dated were also very nice and not boring. Some were boring, but that wasn’t because they were nice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:52 PM
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What do you consider drawbacks?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:35 PM
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I have plenty of friends who buys me gifts or does favours for me. They did that before we knew each other very well as well, however they havent pursued anything romantic/sexual
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:05 PM
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Aaaand everyone I’ve dated have been nice as well, otherwise I wouldn’t date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:03 PM
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It’s really not. I have many nice friends who are definitely not boring
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:03 PM
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And you’re free to do that. What I like shouldn’t dictate what you like
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:59 PM
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It’s not really good either, is it? I might sleep with a man that I would not be in a relationship with, but I would never sleep with a man that has bad morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:29 PM
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Definitely not. Can you give me any example?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:11 AM
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I’m sorry that has been your experience with feminists. The ones I know both like men and care about their issues as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:03 AM
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I think it’s oversimplifying it. Some men will choose A, some will choose B. Some women will choose A, some will choose B. In any case, good for them - they should do whatever they like
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:11 AM
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Marriage can be good for women, if they find the right man. However, we live in a patriarchal society where old gender norms are still relevant to some degree, which means that many men expect that once they get married, the wife should do the majority of the cleaning/cooking/raising children/managing the household. Which is not a good deal for women. Many years ago, women had to put up with it because they couldn’t work and earn their own money, but now that they can, they don’t need a man. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:05 AM
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I’m not sure I agree, but let’s pretend I do: Why is that a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:00 AM
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Who says that she would have more succes? If the guy she wants doesn’t want her, that’s the same. And true, I’d personally rather be single than settle. I’m happy being single, I’m not gonna change that unless it’s someone I’m really into (wheter it’s looks or personality) I know it’s different problems, but it really isn’t as great as you think, because it’s 95% of guys just wanting to fuck because they’ll fuck anything. But I do get your struggles too, and yeah I’d rather have a lot of guys wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:58 AM
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No. I obviously can’t speak for all women, but I think most would agree that they would not wanna sleep with a man who has bad morals
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:43 AM
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It’s literally the same for women though. What if a woman doesn’t want one of the men who wants her? Believe it or not, most women do not have a lot of men “choosing her” at all times. Do we get a lot of offers to fuck? Yes. But that’s not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:37 AM
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She actually sympathizes a lot and relates to the struggles of incels. You may not agree with her, but I think it’s worth a watch
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:33 AM
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Thank you for sharing! I saw it was 30+ min and was like lol, I’m not watching all of that but what a great creator, and a really nice take on the whole debate. I finished it, and enjoyed every bit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:32 AM
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