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Sure - but the way IQ is changing is that the mean is getting driven up The point had to do with averages, not variability. Average female IQ has caught up, or will shortly catch up, with men-- that's the salient point. But my experience suggests there is something deeper going on then "nerd culture" - and that the mechanisms of that culture that drive women away may have something to do with the success of nerds in their fields I don't see how you could construe this as anything else but someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 08:45 PM
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Yeah, humanities faculties in western academia have absolutely no ideological agenda. /s An ideological agenda, where applicable, does not erase logical rigor, analysis, and evidence. O:) Because all these kinds of oppression studies (gender studies, women studies, african etc. ) have existed in the academia since the times of Enlightenment, Voltaire and Immanuel Kant. Yes, I want to believe. What on earth does that have to do with anything? Also: gender studies, women's studies, african studies…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/14 12:02 AM
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Because they would tell me in an academia infiltrated by feminism would be very different from what they would tell me in one which is not. "an academia infiltrated by feminism" -- as if feminism has a magical ability to dispel evidence and facts. lol. lYou don't understand anthropology if you think it is entirely subjective -- they actually do the best job, IMHO, of quarantining subjective analysis from the facts, as they accept subjective analysis in specific forms and utilize that data with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 10:07 PM
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My point was the fact that IQ statistics are changing makes them elastic and far from clear. "Should." I was a philosophy major who took grad classes, and I can assure you that it is not. The groups are still, at their most benign, shaped by male socialization and interests, which is not a bad thing but still isolating. At worst, they are actively hostile; plenty of people have aired grievances about the environment in those disciplines as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 10:04 PM
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I'd actually agree with those points, particularly the travel one :) But the idea of TRP as a default state is ignorant as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 10:02 PM
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Exactly, TRP is the default setting in human society until feminist infiltration. Hence, all non-western countries hold TRP views without even talking about it. Oh, please. Go take a goddamn anthropology class, or, hell, a history class that actually discusses what women were up to. You have no idea what you're talking about if you think that that the vast majority of human cultures fit neatly into TRP framework. It makes sense that most (poor) women would go after resources when children are pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 04:02 PM
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The stats are far from clear. There's also nerd culture to contend with, something every female nerd I know has aired grievances about. Some of it is misogyny, some of it is that nerd culture is very shaped by male socialization and that is hard for a lot of women to relate to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/14 03:58 PM
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Right, but clearly anecdotal evidence is relevant, or else people on both sides wouldn't bandy it about all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/14 04:14 PM
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Your argument is ad hominem because you are assuming that someone's relationship history has bearing on their stated arguments. For the purposes of argumentation, it does not. If you think otherwise, your logical fallacy is ad hominem. It would be more like attacking someone's credibility when they say something like "Asians aren't capable of robbing banks." And I point out "You are Asian and served 3 years in prison for robbing a bank." Please. No one is making an argument as extreme and simpli…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/14 04:09 PM
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If anyone cared, this whole subreddit would fall to pieces O:)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 09:18 PM
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It doesn't work at all. To give but one example: a common trend among gay men now is to put, on grindr, "masc, and you should be too." Therefore: proudly "masculine, straight-acting" men are seeking other proudly "masculine, straight-acting" men at the exclusion of femme men. The analogy is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 09:12 PM
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That's what I said, under the gay male relationshipping options. #2 of 3. "Big Bear / Little Bear." Bears often like bears of equal and commensurate size. That's what I said, under the gay female relationshipping options. #3 of 3. "Dom Femme / Sub Femme." Femmes often fuck with no power dynamics involved whatsoever. You missed my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 09:11 PM
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And TBP sets very high standards for the amount of evidence needed to make a generalization. Sort of? I mean, how can we speculate about a comedy standup routine without massive generalization? The whole premise of the conversation is suspect at that point. If I have time (I doubt I will), I'll do it. But I consider myself fairly satisfied to inform you you're missing an entire section of the psychology section of the library.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 09:10 PM
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1.) Who said they would only listen to you if you were thin? I'd take your post with the same merit if you were fat. Doesn't matter to me. Also thanks for answering :) Plenty of people! It's incredible how often I make arguments against conventional beauty standards and fat-shaming and am dismissed as being fat, ugly, etc -- when I actually fit those standards, or at least fit them more than 95% of the population does! It's a symptom of the problem. A man liking slender women is at the same leve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 08:55 PM
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I've never been screwed over by a jerk, have had 3 satisfying LTRs (6, 2, and 3+ years) with hot, caring, fascinating men, don't sleep around with dudes unless they're reaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllyyyyyyyy pretty/femme, and I'm still a walking, talking contradiction to everything you like to say about women. Your logical fallacy is ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 04:36 PM
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Gays identify as either tops or bottoms, with the top being more masculine and dominate and the bottom being more submissive and feminine. No, no, no, no, no. Just no. This is but one trend of numerous and I can bring up a dozen more that can't be reduced to some pale male/female analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 04:30 PM
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From what I gather, it's that feminine traits and masculine traits will appear and the same rules will apply. loooooooool. No. Bears love them some bears. A lot of self-described "straight-acting, masculine" guys are ONLY interested in the same. Plenty of femmes only want other femmes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 04:28 PM
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I will break this down for you. Blaming other people for physical preferences is dumb; obviously, to a large degree, they can't help it. For instance, I like slender men, and I've gotten no flak for that. But the difference between me liking slender men and a man liking slender women is that a man's preferences for a woman have an enormous amount to do with a woman's self-image. Men who are unattractive can generally see that they have redeeming qualities. Meanwhile, women are told that nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 04:23 PM
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Whether or not individual audience members shout out their answer based on that theme is something we cannot determine. And like I said, it leaves the dynamics of why that would be a stock joke/common theme un-investigated. This makes no sense. Are we not allowed to say anything on the situation because it could be a generalization? This is not enough to have a conversation about it. Many people think 'the literature' supports whatever point of view they hold. Please go seek out a reputable lite…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 04:18 PM
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I don't think it has anything to do with it being a 'stock funny answer'. It's absolutely a stock funny answer. Everyone makes jokes about how men only think of sex. The extent to which this kind of cultural programming drives women's' self-objectification is less clear than you are making it out to be though. If anything, I underemphasized it. The literature absolutely supports what I've said. Maybe I am reading this wrong, but it seems to imply that gender based messages from culture are uneth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 04:15 PM
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When he gives his female audience a chance to describe what value they as a unique person are giving their partner outside of sex, they fall back on sex. Why the hell is everyone assuming they do this for reasons other than 1) it's the stock funny answer and 2) internalized misogyny? Every girl is told, sometimes literally, that unless they're attractive, nothing else they are is worth anything. TRP certainly harps on it nonstop. That doesn't mean they don't have other worth; it has to do with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/14 03:32 PM
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Living the way I'm living is doing plenty! Also, I spread the hell out of some feminist propoganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/14 06:36 PM
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Well, I'm a lot more sympathetic toward that impulse. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/14 07:42 PM
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Good god. You do realize that, if "the wall" or anything like it exists the way TRP says it does, women are probably made completely crazy by knowledge of the fact the fact they have an impending expiration date? That this sort of thinking is encouraging them to treat men callously? Also, resentment is hella unsexy. *I personally doubt it does; there's no doubt that the dating pool changes, but practically I know too many people of both genders dating successfully at every stage of life. Except …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 10:04 PM
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Or she simply needs to be assured that she will have the resources she needs to care for the child via some other means. This is something which is increasingly easy today, hence the rising numbers of single mothers. That's a huge amount of resources. You're overstating the risk factors involved in pregnancy. Yes risks exist, but it's a normal physical process. Women are evolved to survive and thrive despite being pregnant. It's still 9 months of a physically taxed body (on top of the resources …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/14 07:17 PM
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(or ‘experimenting’ with female) Perhaps it's poorly worded, but this is not framed in terms of partner count, it's framed in terms of the act of experimenting itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/14 06:53 PM
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No, I don't think it shows poor impulse control. It depends very much on their motivations. Do they appear to have no standards*, do they appear to compulsively seek out validation, or are they simply very fond of sex or very sensual? It depends. A sense of desperation is rarely attractive, unless existential. A cultivated enjoyment of casual sex comes across differently. As a bisexual, a man's partner count makes me warier than a woman's. In the latter case, I could kind of care less. Not sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/14 06:03 PM
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Yes, but the "men who will commit" don't have to be the fathers of their children. Which is the point of cuckoldry and the male aversion to it. I think you have a very inflated view of how easy this would be. Under this ideology, if a woman is going to have casual sex and gets pregnant, she needs to find a committed man, stat. This is on top of the fact that pregnancy can be incredibly risky and disabling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/14 05:54 PM
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Oh, I just meant RPW. I was curious if there'd been a subreddit survey or something. It seems there are some that aren't into the whole ethos, but like that they can openly discuss 'traditional' arrangements within that umbrella.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/14 05:52 PM
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On top of that, having a lot of male (or ‘experimenting’ with female) sexual partners shows that a woman has poor impulse control. Wow, I had no idea they were homophobic. Or biphobic, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/14 05:42 PM
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Out of curiosity, can you give us a sense of how many women there are not explicitly TRP but relate to this 'traditional' model?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/14 04:42 PM
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I'd be Sirkka from Freakangels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 09:48 PM
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That's understandable. I don't have a huge investment in the male/man distinction myself. However, a case can be made that specific usage of one vs the other does mean something. They are separate words, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 08:33 PM
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That's fine, but you seemed to miss in the original comment that she was describing the use of "females" vs "women" and "men" vs "males." She wasn't discussing dimorphism at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 08:09 PM
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We have males and females exhibiting sexual dimorphism. "Men" vs. "males" is used.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 08:07 PM
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TBP is not claiming to be neutral. It's an explicit parody of TRP. It has an agenda. TRP claims to be free of moral valuations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 08:04 PM
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Narcissism: 3.6 Machiavellianism: 3.2 Psychopathy: 1.5 Of course, I think this is all kind of bullshit because I have a pretty complex philosophical understanding of why I am all of these things which doesn't preclude generosity, kindness, empathy, humility, etc and which is kind of incompatible with a lot of the assumptions that go into each definition. My narcissism score comes mostly from my ambition, not because I think people are supposed to pay attention to me. That's ridiculous. Either th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 07:35 PM
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This is a consistent thing with you. You read what I say and take it any way you want to, and act like you won the argument by doing that. I'm analyzing what you're saying quite directly. You may have a problem communicating; that is possible. But it isn't me "twisting" your words; your words are plain for anyone to see. This has nothign to do with food scarcity, or starving constantly. Then why on earth did you bring it up? "They were more egalitarian because everyone was living hand to mouth. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 07:18 PM
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Women need men who will commit so that their offspring will be taken care of. Isn't that TRP dogma? Promiscuous men are as much of a risk; it stands to reason that they'd want to make sex count.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 07:16 PM
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What kind of hard proof do you have of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/14 07:15 PM
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"I don't idealize hunter gatherer days. I just know they were more egalitarian because I've studied them, and, conveniently, this contradicts many TRP points." They were more egalitarian because everyone was living hand to mouth. No one could really specialize. They'd starve to death. Doesn't mean women's safety wasn't prioritized. Women gathered while men hunted. If the "they" you referred to doesn't mean "hunter-gatherer," you need to examine your pronoun-subject agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/14 09:55 PM
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Given that you actually thought hunter-gatherers were constantly starving, I think your time is better spent reading a book anyway. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/14 09:37 PM
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Yes, but the child will definitely be theirs. Possibly at the cost of immense resources or even their life??
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/14 09:36 PM
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I think many are like you, that they see the truths, but get put off due to the harsh words and the people that come of as misogynists. No, we just know they're wrong. TRPers cite anecdotes to justify their involvement. I'll cite that absolutely nothing about my experience resonates with their philosophy at all. And on top of that, I have an arsenal of scientific/psychological knowledge and the critical thinking skills to understand how their perspective is incredibly small and limited and misle…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/14 06:13 PM
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Except it increases the risk they might get pregnant? Uhh?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/14 06:00 PM
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No, it isn't an extremist example. It's very standard of the type of job men are expected to do, and it still very much goes on today on a very large scale. It's not "very standard." It's exceptionally hazardous. If most men had that job, we'd have far fewer healthy men. But if at all possible, men tried to spare women as much of that as they could. You are not getting this. Domestic labor is NOT sparing them. You have a rosy, 1950s view of gender roles, and this is making you think the worst th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/14 05:49 PM
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citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/14 05:34 PM
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It's really pointless to talk about things when you just say "lol the coal mines again." I say that because it's a tired out, extremist example that is a convenient way to ignore the reality of the situation: that a less dangerous job can be just as taxing and soul-destroying as a high-risk job, and less immediately risky jobs can be just as dangerous over time if you are exposed to, say, a dangerous disease. Or try to obfuscate by deliberately comparing examples of dangerous work to ones of str…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/14 12:07 AM
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Oh, the coal mines. Why do the coal mines always come up? lol. So you don't think the gender whose upper body is 60% stronger, has 30% more lung volume per body mass, and the ability to heal wounds faster (through higher blood clotting factors) than the other gender was given the more strenuous work. Okay then. What are those muscles for? Not survival or work. Oh right, abusing women. Don't be dramatic. Of course men tended to be given the tasks that required more strength, but that is not the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 04:44 PM
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Excellent example - I note the bible prescribes women "submit" to their husbands and that husbands "love" their wives. One of dozens of imperatives, complicated by 1) the fact that in Christianity, "submission" is identified with love and 2) they are told to love quite directly. When men are told to be stoic, women are crafted to make up the difference by being expressive and doting. I think you overestimate how much control men have over their wealth and status - top-tier men become such by din…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 04:25 PM
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Correction - women have been expected to cater to their families in the domestic sphere. Women's role in the family = love, but the overworked dad = absent, distant, even though his overwork provides for the family. Unacknowledged love. Have you not read the plentiful material out there on "caring" for a husband? A romp through history will provide you with plenty of examples. A good start is Abrahamic religious texts, which are full of instructions for women. In thinking/reading about this, I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 03:56 PM
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And in all those cases the most dangerous and strenuous work is kept for men or mostly for men. "Dangerous" in what sense? Risks don't end at assault. There is also the risk of disease, childbirth, and deterioration of health. And let's also not underestimate what a huge, massive risk childbirth is for humans -- much more of a risk than it is for most mammals. "Strenuous" men don't get, either; on top of needing to take care of children, which is strenuous enough as it is, women participated in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 03:40 PM
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I agree with that list of qualities, but I don't think they are inherently feminine. Me neither! I think it's bullshit to assign them to a gender! However, they are historically attributed to women. Esp. "investment" - father's have always been highly invested The stereotype is their paternal legacy, not always their emotional well-being. "Distant" fathers, as you said. I believe we can leverage the presence of women in the workforce to more gender equality at home, which means more present fath…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 03:03 PM
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Women were limited in a way similar to nobles, in that they were kept away from the dirty and deadly work. This is so ridiculously incredibly insanely ignorant about what women do, and about the actual lives of people who are poor. Most impoverished women work their ass off, not just at domestic tasks, but at acquiring food and resources. They aren't sitting at home with their kids all day. They can't; they're too poor! And that's been the case throughout history. The provider-housewife dichotom…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 03:36 AM
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Women still need men. Really. You think that in a science-fiction altered universe where the men all dropped dead and women could procreate on their own, women would suffer overmuch? You really think that they wouldn't be as inventive and adaptable, particularly with no structures placing them into some arbitrary role that, despite being "natural" and "right" and secretly what women want, requires constant, relentless reinforcement that they're men's intellectual inferiors? Like, do you realize …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 03:32 AM
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I don't know exactly what the way forward is, but I'll make a suggestion that couldn't hurt, and could help: re-valorize fatherhood. This sounds great. It will involve re-framing male identity to include lots of qualities traditionally ascribed to women: caring, openness, investment in children's lives, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 03:27 AM
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But let's actually unpack your statement, here. What about being gay is feminine? It's a sex act between two men. If you're referring to being the receiving partner, I'm here to inform you that women do not have prostates and cannot experience prostate orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 08:49 PM
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Men have never been considered a class that requires protection - and I think this attitude continues today. I agree with this, and certainly see the huge problems with it, but "love" is not accurate. Women have been expected to cater to men in the domestic sphere-- provide them, in fact, with selfless love and consideration. So it's not a dearth of love you're talking about. I'm not very well-read in feminist analysis, but I've never seen any that addresses male disposability, nor have I seen a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 08:42 PM
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So - right now, you seem to be playing the "who's more oppressed" game - or some sort of "quantitative analysis" of who had it worse, maybe. It's important to recognize that the problems stacked against women are different, yes, and that recognition doesn't require diminishing the many issues with the male gender role. Men's surplus of respect (or deficit of love) had the effect of giving them the potential for holding formal power, but also had the effect of making them disposable. Can you tie …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 07:26 PM
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Please, for the love of god, say that with a straight face to a bear. And film it. For me. O:)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 07:24 PM
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If "masculine is attracted to feminine," explain bear subculture...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 04:24 PM
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It's quite obvious that most mammals are hypergamous. It's not "quite obvious," and I'll caution you to take the latest word on the subject. Animals are notorious subjects for human projection. In the case of chimps, for instance, many mid-century biologists assumed the females were just passively taken by the males despite the fact that there are tons of recorded instances of females actively STALKING males in order to mate with them. That's how far these biologists had ingrained "women are pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 03:01 PM
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You say you want a man with personality and a will of their own. Wouldn't a submissive man by definition have less will? I said pretty clearly I want him to do things I tell him to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 02:58 PM
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If what you were saying were the only facts, you might have a point; but the truth is that the gender roles of women in particular came with tons of baggage and tons of rationalization of why they were treated the way they were treated. Specifically, the gender roles of women often came with the specific constructed identity that women were less smart, less capable, less worthy, and constitutionally suited to treatment as chattel. Aristotle asserted that women were defective men. The reverse was…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 01:02 AM
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What do you mean by a submissive man? Covered this here. It is about letting go of your ego in order to improve your life and the life of those around you. Which doesn't mean dominant, but it doesn't seem to mesh with "submissive" either. Ehh, it definitely means dominant the way conventional terpers use it, and most seem to openly assert that women want dominance, but your perspective is interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 12:55 AM
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And then it transpires that she's cheated on him and cuckolded him. You only need to watch some episodes of Jeremy Kyle to see how this plays out. Anecdotally, I don't see how this is any less likely with a virgin. Wouldn't a virgin always be curious about other options?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 12:51 AM
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"Most mammals" are not hypergamous. I would accept that it's possible, but since the concept would be quite easy to study in humans I would be much more interested in human subjects.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 12:49 AM
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I've often thought that if I were of age in the 70s, I might be a lesbian separatist. I'm that ill-suited to a world where I'm expected to be submissive. People, men and women, are constitutionally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/14 03:41 PM
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OK, I think I understand: the theory is that there's an element of self-determination there but if someone assesses themselves as "really" male TRP will fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 09:39 PM
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it applies to biological males who identify as "really" male What if a man doesn't care about this idea of "really" being male? Is he going against nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 09:02 PM
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To extend this, I also think it is completely shitty to shame men who don't want to have sex all the time with conventionally attractive people. I know a number of dudes who've developed complexes for that and it's idiocy and it causes all kinds of miscommunications. Also ironically, this exact sort of social shaming is what pressures men into overvaluing sex, PUA, TRP, etc. to the point where some even become suicidal over it, like that Searcher24 guy (the guy who threatened suicide on multiple…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 07:29 PM
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Certainly I only felt it was a good way of describing my sexual kinks once I learned I didn't need to behave like a professional dominatrix. This. Always had a thing for it, didn't relate to traditional portrayals. And the culture just does not reward it, whatever the actual demand for dominant women may be. Look for any kind of portrayal of a woman pursuing a man, or behaving aggressively towards him, where it's positive and she's not a bad guy. You see a lot of people in slash fandoms who clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 07:23 PM
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all men who identify as men What does this mean, exactly? Does it apply to transmen or to people who are biologically male but don't identify as a man? Not just transwomen, but people along the gender spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 07:20 PM
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So you are affirming that women, even dominant women, do not like and respect submissive men. TY So you are affirming that men, specifically alpha men, do not like and respect submissive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 04:36 PM
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Yeah, and more to the point, the general emphasis on 'provider' is inaccurate to how hunter gatherer societies acquire calories. I can't find the source (will look for it soon), but as I understand it the 'gathering' side of things contributed more net calories anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 04:29 PM
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He's not banished because he was never RP in the first place. But if it's his "natural sexual and social dynamics," surely he is? Secretly? Somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 04:28 PM
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We wouldn't like the man who takes his sexual submission as a matter of identity. At TRP we'd might say that he's gone awry - that he's gone wrong somewhere - not morally wrong - but wrong in the sense that he's departed from his nature and can't become his "best self" by embracing sexual submission. Is that really a common line of thought? Moreso than "well, TRP just doesn't apply to those people"? It's really that they're denying themselves in some kind of teleological sense? Not rhetorical qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 04:26 PM
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That's better. We agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/14 03:02 PM
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They are using science to illustrate a point to non scientist. But they aren't using science at all, is the point. And more often than not, I've seen them masquerade their biases and philosophies, based in large part on their resentment, on "reals" and "reason" and "logic." They think that articles about brain scan differences between the genders means they're right (and they seem to have no idea what brain scans mean, or that those studies have undergone heavy and scathing critique-- in short, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/14 03:00 PM
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A lot of them are struggling to find a way maintain a relationship where they forget they needed lead. There using alpha in different way, than a PUA might. See, though, I don't think the way TRP uses alpha is valid. In fact, I don't think the idea behind alpha is valid at all, but at least PUA's is not always underlined by atrocious misuse of the idea of evolution. The idea has a little heuristic value, but is too philosophically and scientifically misleading to justify itself. TRP is kind of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/14 05:51 AM
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So you're telling me that menstruation is cultural, and the only thing that is stopping a man from menstruation is a social influence? No. Read it over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/14 05:48 AM
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Well there's the original, fat chance of getting that. And there here are 2 new ones one with illustrations one without. Ahaha, no, that thing belongs in a museum. Jung's art/calligraphy is worth that, much less his writing. Ridiculous that he could be so talented. I have the one with illustrations (Christmas gift from my paramour!). It does. It's mitigated by 2 things: success in sexual conquest, and sorting ability. Over reaching, is mere hyperbole designed to give direction to the follower. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/14 04:35 AM
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Which version? Isn't there only one? I'd be surprised if a new one had come out so soon after its first publication. Which ones are you familiar with? They solve this problem by sorting properly. Not something scientist really have luxury of doing. Well, see, as a pragmatist (in the strict philosophical sense of the term), I'd be willing to grant them this but as we've established, their philosophy overstretches.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/14 04:09 AM
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There are a lot of people that talk about archetypes. Carl Jung isn't necessarily "scientific", and archetypal thinking isn't either. There isn't any true scientific theory that defines gender roles. There's definitely science applicable to gender roles, though. But yes, of course I agree, multiple disciplines would be necessary to write anything insightful at all. But they do agree that people have independent expectations of their mates, that inherently sexist in nature. That's one favoring fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 11:22 PM
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Yes. We are talking about differences between the sexes. What you don't seem to understand from the context is that I am complicating this supposed black and white difference by presenting a way in which the situation can be nuanced. It's perfectly obvious the sexes have different cycles. However, the differences between my cycle and another woman's can be quite considerable. There is at no point in the male cycle where the body behaves by reacting to the chemicals released to go into menstruati…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 11:09 PM
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That's true, and worth examining, but there are differences between how those cycles function. There are differences and those tendencies have a specific cycle. That also applies to differences between the cycles of individual women and men, among their gender. Everyone's cycle is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 06:47 PM
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Means that it's possible to define human history of relationship through archetypes. What do you mean? Are you referring to specific professional historians? What evidence do they use to justify seeing history this way? I'm quite intimately familiar with Carl Jung, and I believe he has his uses, but science he is most assuredly not, and he is absolutely not a historian. Perhaps I'm not familiar with some thinkers you're implicitly referencing? Carl Jung is basically applied mysticism. He's just …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 04:03 PM
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Men also experience a hormonal cycle and fluctuations in libido. NASA recently documented this as a side effect of some of their training. It's not the same timeframe as a woman's, of course, but the hormones, they affect all of us, and quite powerfully too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 03:55 PM
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So are you saying that archetypal human history doesn't exist? Not sure what you mean by "archetypal human history." Or the concept of alpha doesn't exist in history? I can see why people think the alpha concept is useful to refer to since obviously certain people dominate certain situations more than others, but it is not an absolute, nor is it a very perceptive way of looking at leadership, most of the time. It's also based on flawed rationale: "alphas" don't exist in the animal kingdom the wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 03:44 PM
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Unlike history, which is actually based on painstaking review and analysis of evidence, RP creates rationale based on a fundamentally broken, irrational, evidenceless understanding of how evolution impacts human psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 06:05 AM
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Right, because Dany didn't totally have Drogo whipped by the end there...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/14 04:46 AM
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Anecdotes are fine, but they aren't worth building an entire philosophy around. Because, y'know. Other people have competing anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/14 02:49 AM
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anecdote anecdote anecdote anecdote anecdote. yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/14 02:15 AM
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Insofar as "they should have a personality," yes. But I'm pretty sure their ~O Captain My Captain~ bit is not even somewhat compatible with my outlook on things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/14 02:06 AM
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tl;dr: No.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/14 01:28 AM
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If you're desperately curious about what kind of man I like, you can read up here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/14 01:09 AM
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BUT SHOULDN'T THEY SECRETLY KNOW THEY WANT ALPHA DICK!?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 10:26 PM
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lolololol. Okay, come at me: This is confirming a lot of trp concepts. If you make leaps-over-Mt-goddamn-Everest sized assumptions about me, sure. You are firmly entrenched in the "I'm the prize" mentality. My entire post was about how entitlement is unattractive in anyone. That applies to me. I don't think I'm entitled to anyone's attention; I don't act the part. (And yes, I'm conventionally Western-standards attractive, correct height/weight/measurement/facial feature etc requirements, not tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 10:12 PM
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I'd also be highly interested in any peer-reviewed studies that are used to justify the hypergamy idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 07:23 PM
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Then why do men experience hormonal effects when they have kids? Why do they feel protective over kids at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 07:16 PM
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Actually, according to this, the characteristic features of a 'feminine' face are: A small chin (not wide) Large eyes A high forehead Longer, smaller noses Thin eyebrows Basically, that V you're referring to is actually the sign of a feminine face because a larger lower half of the face indicates masculinity. Brad Pitt's jaw is an excellent example of a masculine jaw since it has a lot of width, but Jared Leto's is not, particularly since it is paired with a very high forehead, very large eyes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 05:40 PM
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A sense of entitlement is extremely unattractive. Everyone thinks this; TRP talks about female entitlement all the time. Honestly, few things are more unattractive than someone who thinks you owe them something for being a perfect gentleman, nice guy, etc. -- because it makes their nice behavior seem fake, dishonest and manipulative. At least I can dismiss outright douchebags right off the bat. That particular form of male will often waste my time by appealing to pity and friendship while being …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 02:58 PM
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There was actually an article about this posted in TRP recently. Of course, they miss the part at the end where they describe how it backfires eventually, and the part where the study was genderneutral. If you're confident, people assume you have reason to be. Women are groomed to defer-- I know I had to condition myself out of that. For a long time I assumed anyone who showed confidence knew as much as they purported to know. A number of those people, men and women both, became longterm friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 02:53 PM
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Sure, call Jared Leto masculine. Dude, his eyes practically sparkle. You seem to be mistaking "has a jawline" with "masculine." As any photographer will tell you, jawlines are important in either gender in the acting game; they add definition and shape, particularly on camera. You don't see actresses without defined jawlines, really; even Natalie Portman, that ideal of femininity, has quite a sharp jaw in many pictures. A round face will make you look bigger than you are in 2D. Leto has a define…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 02:27 PM
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At the very least they shouldn't be taugh to do the opposite. Why would it matter? If it's their biological, natural state, wouldn't it shine through? You teach them so that they can reach their full potential. Why is adhering completely to their natural, biological state fulfilling their full potential? In our natural, biological state we'd most likely be dead by 30. Progress occurs much faster with help as well, I've personally sought masculine role models to help accelerate my recovery from f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 12:41 AM
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This is a huge problem with you blue pillers and your attempts at identifying attractive things in men. A huge problem with red pillers is pretending they have telepathy. You guys really enjoy trying to tell us what we like, don't you? Meanwhile, our romantic history and porn stashes say differently. Not only do 95% of your examples include celebrities, Since they are easy points of reference, and legitimate barometers to some degree of what people in general find appealing, otherwise they would…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 12:30 AM
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I'm serious. It's a logical fallacy. If it's their natural, biological state, they wouldn't need to be taught to be in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/14 12:08 AM
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A boy should be taught how to be masculine and a girl should be tsught how to be feminine. That is their natural, biological state. Why do they need to be taught to be in their natural, biological state?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 10:57 PM
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I said Beyonce isn't dominant. You said Beyonce isn't dominant in her personal life, which you have no way of knowing. Her public persona, which the sales depend on, is often quite dominant. The original point had to do with Robin Thicke's popularity so whatever you're currently saying must not have anything to do with the original point if sales aren't relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 07:52 PM
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If you want to believe that Beyonce tells Hov what to do, you go riiight on ahead. So Beyonce's act is a performance while Jay-Z's isn't? Uhhh. Rather than speculate on celebrity relationships, let's look at the facts? Beyonce's act sells. Exceptionally well. She is widely considered to be hot as fuck. Those are the facts. In terms of staying power she currently has Robin Thicke beat by lightyears.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 07:38 PM
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"Performing" being the key word. There's a reason it appeals. Otherwise it wouldn't be making landslides of money. Lots of people sing about slaying dragons, something tells me its a bit of a fabrication. That "something," in the case of Beyonce, is your bias, which currently seems to be doing mental gymnastics to avoid accepting that some women are dominant and that plenty of people like to see dominant women. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 07:30 PM
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Not having girl problems = being dominant. Suuure. ;) The point is, Beyonce has top singles performing as a woman who doesn't take no shit, often telling her man directly what to do. Pointing to Blurred Lines as the only example of what's successful is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 07:11 PM
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You really think it's any more likely Beyonce is submissive? lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 06:50 PM
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The pressure to "perform" is higher for men But the pressure to be attractive is higher for women, and women are constantly encouraged to compare themselves to other women. For both genders, not satisfying your partner means they might go to someone else. It is equally scary. Look, if you've worked on it and you can't do it, fine. But you acknowledge that there is nothing wrong with feminine men, it's just you. A lot of TRPers are sitting there trying to rationalize the hell out of exploitative,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 06:22 PM
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O the difficulties of wanting to misbehave on the internet when all of your friends are also on reddit...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 05:57 PM
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Yep, a work friend caught a glimpse of my screen during my posting flurry and I decided I didn't necessarily want him knowing my porn habits egregious swooning over r/feminineboys etc. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 05:40 PM
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My work here is done. :3 (Or it would be if I didn't like arguing so damn much lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/14 05:15 PM
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