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See, it's a general statement that in TRP there is a clear preference for misogyny and a clear distaste for tolerance, but when confronted by "prove that" you all stumble around. "I see some bad things that EC say about women - and they get upboats". But then you say that radfems aren't indicative of feminism in general, despite you saying that those are indeed people who are considered by feminists to be feminists. I wasn't equating ECs with radfems (lol), I was equating them with academically …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 01:31 AM
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Who is they? How is "they" representative of TRP in general? Can you indicate how "their" opinions are the opinions of TRP as opposed to their individual opinions on this matter? I see what you're trying to do here, but it's not comparible the way you percieve it to be. I never said you couldn't characterize the feminist community as whole (which would be comparable to characterizing TRP as a whole - in any group, there are core beliefs that tie the group together). What I was asking you to do w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 01:00 AM
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Making a second post for the rape topic, as it would be too long to include it in the other: They were angry that she was persecuted. Who is they? How is "they" representative of feminism in general? Can you indicate how "their" opinions are the opinions of feminism as opposed to their individual opinions on this matter? Because, quite frankly in every publicized case, people always pick sides based on the facts that they are familiar with, and facts they're sympathetic too. There were indivdual…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:31 PM
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I've picked it. You did not give me a quantifiable definition of how to acertain what core beliefs of a group are. You argued something else entirely and I expressed my issues with it. editLater in your post you mention right hand material sufficient, so I will use that. If TRP members roughly about 50 000, and EC's sexist statement is upvoted by 200 comments, that means that only 0,4 percent of the entire TRP community agrees with him. I wrote a detailed explanation on this, but for the sake of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:30 PM
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The thing is there is a common theme in feminine behavior that is shared across the whole gender but the same goes for male behavior. That's the thing. There isn't. Not for men, and not for women. Even on a primal/biological level, it is not true, as the human species is one characterized by multiple sexual strategies. But primal/biological imperatives are hardly the only nor main influences in attraction, bonding or behavior. If that is what TRP is about, then they inherently fail, as it is imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:28 PM
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with his dodgy debate style Yeah I picked up on this, which is why I'm trying to get him to pin down something concrete to make a discussion/debate actually worthwhile. I feel like RP here are generally more moderate than RP on TRP, but with that comes this weird refusal to let you pin down any TRP core beliefs because it's hard to defend, no matter how blatant they happen to be (such as stuff in the RP reading material...apparently you're not allowed to use that to determine what RP ideology is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 09:08 PM
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You keep making this about others failure to understand the argument (with a barrage of personal insults) when it's about the fact that the individual delivered his argument poorly, in the same manner which he was criticized BP of doing. It's not about "being slow," people understood what he was saying, he was just guilty of doing the same thing he was criticizing. People were pointing out the irony. BP is too much today. Then you should take your circlejerking back to TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 08:59 PM
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I want only the criteria which you pick I'm asking you to pick the criteria. I'm asking you what defines a community/group's tenets/core beliefs, and to give me a quantifiable definition of it. I am asking you to do this, so that when you are presented with evidence you do not like, you do not get to backtrack and outright dismiss it. I want only the criteria which you pick. If you can dismiss established feminists, established results (i.e. legal inequalities) of their actions based on the idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 08:19 PM
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Prove it. The thing about this is that someone can spend a considerable amount of time gathering proof (I myself have done so in the past) only to be dismissed as, "That's just the extremists!" or "You're cherry picking!" as a way to evade criticism. So why don't you narrow it down and tell us what proof you're willing to take. Is right hand material sufficient? Is EC material sufficient? Are upvoted threads sufficient? Are statements made by RP admitting that RP is misogynistic in nature suffic…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 07:15 PM
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Dude, you pointed at a RP comment that was convoluted and didn't directly answer the question, and mocked the criticism of it that it was convoluted, out of context and didn't answer the question. So are we to shield comments from criticisms for the sole reason that they are written by a Red Piller, no matter how awful they are in nature? Part of having a discussion isn't just about what you say, it's how you say it. It's no ones job here to piece together wtf you're trying to say argue or how i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 07:06 PM
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feminism is a political movement that has way too much power One thing you need to realize about this statement it's that it's inherently subjective. Trying to argue it as matter-of-fact is futile. It's an opinion, and at best you can try to convince others to see things your way but arguing as fact that others are oblivious/ignorant to is pointless. consider, for example, this and what Women Against Rape state. This is problematic, but consider also that you are basing your opinions on exceptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 05:47 PM
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Are RP really strong debaters? More than half of the discussions involving RP is some variation of, "That's not what TRP believes!" "That's not what they say!" "You misunderstood!" in reference to obvious core beliefs of TRP. Half of the discussion from the "blue pill" side is simply spent having to prove to a RP that a RP belief is indeed a RP belief, or that a RP pattern is indeed a RP pattern. And even then, despite all the effort you put into finding links to right hand reading material, mod…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 04:44 PM
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I feel like I've gained more understanding of TRP views and where they come from, but I've yet to see a truly reasonable and convincing argument why TRP is a healthy and productive way of approaching the world and human interactions. Individual parts of it can be okay, but some core tenets like AWALT, and the general butchering of the field of evolutionary psychology (and science/scientific method in general) really make it impossible to seriously consider their views as facts or anything more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 02:58 PM
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Putting your needs first Setting boundaries with women Saying NO to women and never letting yourself be a pushover (to anyone, men included). Understanding how to compromise. I've seen these things mentioned outside of TRP. Understanding why women do the things that they do and say the things they say. What does this mean? Honestly, this seems like it would be that "context" I was referring to...that you can't take the common sense without the context that TRP puts it in, which is usually a skew…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 02:52 PM
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But then why do you, or other men like you, need TRP at all? This advice exists off of Red Pill, why are you only taking it in TRP context? Why are you aligning yourself with a an ideology/community that IS sexist/misogynistic? That's what I'm trying to say, the people who are in it only for the self-improvement are still on TRP because of the context that TRP puts self-improvement in. Otherwise, they would have taken the common sense advice to self improve and never been on TRP to begin with. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:31 PM
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To me the negative is tied to the positive of TRP, and cannot be separated. TRP positives are for the most part common sense things...dress well, be fit, be more social and so on. I cannot think of anybody who would tell you to do the opposite. But for years this common sense advice was ignored by pre-Red Pillers. It was only taken to be true and used as motivations when they encountered in on TRP, when such advice was tied to the misogyny and the negative. It's in that context that they finally…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 03:55 PM
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I do think terper has a negative/derogatory connotation, but I don't think it should be banned. If you advocate for banning that, then you should also advocate for banning words like beta because they most certainly also have a derogatory connotation, if not worse ones than "Terper."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 06:08 PM
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I think what others are trying to say is that people ARE told not to downvote, ARE told to be civil, they're just not listening and nothing can be done. If you truly want to prevent that, remove your tag. I know when I had my blue pill tag up, the same thing happened and there would be random flying accusations about how I was either a white knight mangina, or a ugly fat feminist who is jealous of not getting alpha attention, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:20 PM
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Letsgetlaid was made as an alternative to TRP/PUA game subreddits, for people who want casual sex but don't believe TRP's way is the best way to achieve it. Idk how this is evidence of support for promiscuity, or at least, I don't know how you then don't see TRP as advocating promiscuity since the primary sexual strategy of TRP is casual sex/plate spinning. The only difference is BP tends to be tolerant of women having sex too, but I guess that's the problem. But I think the mod's point was that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 05:18 PM
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I have a genuine question. I was disappointed, yet unsurprised to see a barrage of comments by blue pillers insinuating that the problem is actually the fault of men for being: First of all, I do want to calrify that there was no insinuation, there was a discussion of possibilities and those possibilites were mentioned as potential explanations for the difference in divorce rates. But why be disappointed by this? Why not make those considerations yourself? Whenever you see a statistic or correla…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 03:40 PM
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how come there are barely any ex-TRPers? How do you know this is a fact? Based on the amount of people who come out and say they've left/are leaving TRP? People who make their leaving public are only a small portion of all individuals who've left. Second of all, you are making the presumption because something is bad, everyone will be averted from it. As we've see time and time again, no matter what awful, bad, or dangerous claims or beliefs one can make, there are others who will agree with it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 03:28 PM
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You're right, I'm not going to accept the delusional explanation that it's a "self-improvement" subreddit when self-improvement tactics do not constitute a majority of the discussion and most of the tactics intended to make you self-improve aren't ones most would consider self-improvement (disregard for impulse control, becoming a callous human being being some examples - most people don't consider these things improvement). I take what TRP is based on what I see, not what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 03:19 PM
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Not everyone threatens with it She didn't. She said she wouldn't dox. She was using the information to counter his claim that he was popular with women. Thats kind of like a mugger holding a hostage at gun point and saying they wont kill the hostage. No, it's like having possession of a gun. Based on your logic, some TRP mods made claims that seemed to advocate/defend rape. So, based on your logic, I should just jump to the assumption that they would rape and did rape and that all the members of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 05:11 PM
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To non-Red Pillers I guess? I think this is coming to the root of the real issue, which isn't about a censorship so much as a desire for acceptance/agreement. You have right to say what you wish but people have the right to form their own opinions about what you're saying, some of which won't be warm and fuzzy. Some people think that TRP is false and damaging, and they are typically the ones with a problem with TRP (for the record, I do think factuality can be formally addressed via science). Ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 05:03 PM
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That person doesn't seem hesitant at all to doxx someone. The person explicitly said they wouldn't. We can debate whether or not they would, but going by what they said and the failure for them to follow through on doxxing of the individual in the ss, I don't see how you can make the conclusions you are making. This is not akin to TRP mods being judged for what they said they WOULD do, or recounting what they HAVE done. The reality is if you use same usernames for all your online content, you CA…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 04:41 PM
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The person had access to publicly posted information, and stated that they would not doxx with it. So what actions are actually representative of the userbase? That they are able to use Google search?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 04:28 PM
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It becomes much easier to use more and more aggressive tactics when you believe morality is on your side. It's akin to TRP becoming utilizing more and more aggressive tactics when they hold the belief that the "truth" is on their side. TRP has posted personally revealing information numerous times before, has harassed commentators/OP's of other subreddits, and has brigaded subreddits/websites. This is not a "BP" only thing. This is a strong beliefs thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 04:23 PM
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I'm trying to say that it is popular among the left to crucify anyone with a opinion that stands against the status quo. It's popular among any side/ideology that has strong views to crucify the opposing side. TRP is no different. They are trying to quell it by doxxing an individual through public shaming, for example. There was no doxxing, there was a link to a blog post, which was removed and the individual banned, as it should have been. For the record, TRP is not above such actions. I've see…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 04:14 PM
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You were attempting to justify progressives' desire to quell and shame all speech No, I only corrected the word "offensive." TRP'ers tend to believe their views are just "harsh truth" that everyone else is too sensitive to. I was clarifying that's not the case. If I wanted to justify censorship, I would have done so. If you're not in favor of it, you probably shouldn't have tried to justify the behavior. And you shouldn't project arguments into people's posts that aren't there. The last time I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 04:08 PM
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Not sure where you draw that conclusion from. I never advocated censorship or lack of religious freedom. I only clarified what most people's problems with TRP are, and answered your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:57 PM
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. First of all, I don't think anyone is quelling TRP. I think they are responding to it. Second of all, they respond antagonistically to it because it's incorrect and damaging, not because it's "offensive." Third of all, your claim that BP'ers fall largely into that category needs an argument if not evidence, especially considering you identify with a group of people that has nothing but derogatory terms for anyone who disagrees with them (mangina, beta, ome…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:48 PM
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Science probably has the best authority to decide what is and what is incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:45 PM
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Those kinds of claims serve several purposes, none of which have much to do with identifying the truth behind human nature. It's just blatant ego stroking and for people with shitty compromising skills to do things their way and justify it as the "ideal/natural" state. It's entirely self-serving, and not representative of the ideal of anything as the individuals that think that are usually not fit to be the leader of any relationship. The reality is, there is not much difference in the maturity,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:38 PM
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Not really. One isolated individual linked to someone's blog and was promptly banned. On the contra side, I've seen multiple instances of TRP linking to people's blogs, Craigslist ads, Facebook profiles, OkCupid profiles, etc, so even this one isolated incident is hardly a "BP" thing. Granted, even on TRP most of those were removed/banned, but some have slipped through and remained posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:24 PM
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Not offensive, incorrect and damaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:21 PM
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Those are all common beliefs of TRP ideology; I was referring to that, not you individually. Half of the stuff I mentioned is listen in the right hand intro reading material, the other half are common themes in the most upvoted comments/threads or those made by mods/EC's. These are not the actions of "one individual." It's the actions of the average of a group of people. And even if it's a small vocal minority, to me it justifies the existence of feminism, just like misandry or male-oppressive s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 04:57 AM
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I find it ironic that you are a Red Pill man, and complaining that feminism is still around. I never truly identified as a feminist, and I naively though the same as you until I discovered that places like TRP exist. Now I truly believe feminism is still a relevant and necessary movement - when there exists a good portion of individuals who, rather than address their own issues, truly believe women are subhuman and shouldn't have the right to vote, let alone have a career, have the freedom to ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 06:20 PM
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As TRP says, actions have consequences. If you state an opinion, be prepared for the fact that some people will disagree/dislike it. If you don't want to face those consequences, don't state the opinion in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 06:17 PM
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The effects of groupthink on an anonymous forum would be fairly low, especially since you cannot see the votes of others for the first hour or two. The better likelihood is that people simply don't like what you said, and it happens to be a lot of people. To answer your question, I find it varies from thread to thread. In some threads, blue pillers get downvoted for making very reasonable and noninflammatory responses. The Red Pillers that get downvoted are usually the ones making offensive/infl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 06:14 PM
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Because up until now, dread game has been something only women did. No. I guarantee you TRP is not the first one to think of using dread game against women. Dread game has been a timeless tool utilized by shitty insecure people of both genders. And we all know this is something women do all the time. Said something wrong? She doesn't need you tonight, you're on the couch. There's a difference between dread game and your partner not wanting to be around you, even if the latter results in anxiety.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:55 PM
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I think most of us have personally experienced the opposite of their reality so we know it exists. I think TRP is an elaborate coping mechanism for shitty life experiences and ego/insecurity problems, and as a result, people will go to great lengths to confirm it...because of their emotional investment in it. Confirmation bias, for example, is ridiculously rampant in TRP. It's not that they observe a multitude of experiences and draw conclusions from them. Instead, they put on their TRP lens and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:50 PM
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The problem is it is completely useless. How is the response "there are many other women not like that," to a complaint about a specific type of women completely useless? I guess it's useless if you just want to bitch and vent and don't want to put in any effort to change anything. I suppose by that logic, it is useless to share diet secrets or work out tips with someone who is unhappy with being overweight? staggering amount of the population That's the thing. They're not. But if you subject yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:44 PM
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You told me to move on? Isn't that worse? I said if all else fails, move on. The best solution to your wife not giving you enough attention is to figure out why it's happening, figure out the root cause(s), and form a joint strategy to fix it. Unfortunately this requires effort, tolerance, patience, and willingness to admit faults, or one's own contribution to the problem which is absent in a lot of people. Maybe I still like my wife but she isn't giving me attention, I'd prefer to dread her tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:40 PM
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I was wondering when the obligatory NAWALT rebuttal would rear its head. Well when you make a statement where the most common sense response is NAWALT, then obviously it would happen soon afterwards. Typifying the rebuttal doesn't dismiss it as valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 05:28 PM
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You'd prefer to dread game your wife of 10 years with kids instead of doing whatever it takes to figure out what the problem is and make whatever necessary changes to spice things up? Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 04:26 PM
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you just accept that right? I specifically said you move on if she still doesn't feel attracted to you. Not everyone is going to be attracted to you. Some people become attracted to others based on what they think the other person is, then find out what the other person actually is, and lose attraction. Some people get carried away with infatuation chemicals and realize there is no attraction without them. Your partner losing attraction in you sucks, but it's not the end of the world. There's pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 04:00 PM
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Only certain women are attracted to assholes. TRP is a prime example of individuals who seem to be predominantly focused on the group of women who are attracted to assholes without realizing that they should expand their social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:53 PM
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Dread game happens when an insecure codependent person overreacts to their partner not lavishing them in attention 24/7 and actually having other aspects in their life that need addressing, moods, emotions, varying levels of energy, etc. TBP's solution is to be a secure individual whose sole happiness does not depend on another human being so that when your partner has a bad day and is a little distant, you don't go off the deep end. If your partner is continuously being distant, address the pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:52 PM
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Why is dread game an issue? Because it's a shitty and unnecessary tool used by shitty people. It's using someone's emotional investment in you against them for your own imaginary power struggle due to your rampant insecurity. It's neither healty, nor lasting (let's be real, people get tired of this and check out of the relationship pretty quickly). And for a subreddit that tries SO hard to claim to be about self-improvement, it's a perfect example of NON self improvement and basically using chea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:48 PM
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but the reality is that the girl is trying to manipulate the outcome of a relationship by artificially implementing behavior that's not natural for her. This could happen, but this is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a woman who learns from previous experience that she does not enjoy something. Not everyone knows they do not like something until they try it and realize they don't like it. If I never had a banana, can I know I hate the taste? Not until I tasted it. And maybe I will t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 06:02 PM
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is that you refuse to look at it from the common man's perspective I don't refuse to, I just have fundamental disagreements with these claims, and the general claim that this IS the common man's perspective. Men have a natural visceral revulsion towards sluts because these are the women who are most likely to cuckold and commit paternity fraud against you. Like this. I touched upon this in another post on this thread but I'll summarize it quickly here. This claim is the result of a poor evolutio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 05:48 PM
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The consequences in this instance seem arbitrarily attributed, rather than inherent. edit - my problem is the claim that these consequences are inherent or the product of more than individual preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 04:59 PM
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Let me rephrase. Why is a woman having sex an action that has negative connotations, in the way a dorky overweight man has negative connotations? Why is it not a neutral thing? most men don't want to be in a relationship with a woman they deem "too slutty." The same goes for both genders, and the definition of too slutty can vary considerably if we are talking about the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 04:51 PM
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I feel like this entire post is a perfect example of misconceptions surrounding evolutionary psychology. If a man is able to sleep with many women it is indication that he posesses skills and traits that make him a highly desirable and valued individual. Yes. But the human species also has adopted a joint rearing tactic, meaning that the quality of the female partner is also important. You could claim that perhaps on a biological level, what makes a female partner and a male partner "quality" di…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 04:45 PM
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While I can understand what you are saying, where does change of mind or maturation or learning fit into this? Meaning, let's say a girl has a bunch of one night stands, realizes that's not what she wants/she doesn't enjoy it/it winds up badly, and decides to change her behavior in the future. You come along, and she doesn't sleep right away with you because she doesn't want things to end badly, doesn't want to be hurt, and wants to enjoy it. Based on what you said, it is almost as if the latter…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 04:27 PM
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Why is female sex a bad thing deserving of consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 04:25 PM
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I think the main issue people have with people who prefer submissiveness isn't the preference itself, it's the reasoning that is sometimes (well, actually, often in TRP's case) given behind it. The statements such as, "men are supposed to lead," or "it's in male's nature to dominate/have the power," or, "women are not mature and logical enough to be capable of making good decisions for themselves," or, "women are like the most responsible teenager in the house." If these individuals would simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 04:44 AM
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I have seen that on TRP too, although it's usually not the better commenters. I've seen it by EC's and I think by mods but I can't say the latter for sure. The people that write stuff like that, or who think about women as damaged goods, are rationalizing the pain of being rejected by women too. I think part of it is that. I think part of is insecurity. And I think part of it is simply preferring chaster women (which is fine) but with a lack of open-mindedness to consider that their own preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 04:14 AM
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The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. Humans have unique evolutionary adaptations for offspring rearing and social interactions that transcends what we see in the rest of the animal kingdom. I believe in our species, it is more that both partners have to benefit from the other and both have conditions. Lastly, I do not believe such a law is universal to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:30 AM
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Every time an AskReddit 'what's the most fucked up sub' comes up, 'TRP, TRP, TRP' every time. I believe this makes people go to the sub. Just an fyi, not every subscriber is actually a regular member of the community or even someone who is pro Red Pill. You have to subscribe to be able to vote/comment, and many people subscribe just to troll it. I'm sure for some people it is advertising but I feel TRP is more of an aggregation of the type of individuals prone to such an ideology in the first pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:27 AM
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While I agree that women slut-shame, would you also not agree that TRP as a majority slut shames pretty significantly? Most of TRP sees a woman with double-digit partners as damaged goods unfit for LTR. So we are not talking about just women here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:18 AM
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How is that supposed to work out? Women are supposed to be mind-readers and predict whether or not a man feels like having a relationship at all, and having one with her in particular. This must be especially difficult since many Red Pillers believe women are self-centered and not very good at reading other people. Serious answer: What you're witnessing is just general dislike of women or women's behavior, and it is contradictory and doesn't make sense. This is one of many examples of where no m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:16 AM
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Nowhere in TRP is there a hard rule saying to "next" by the second date. Again, you just made that up and then used that hoping someone will bite. It's not a hard rule but it's encouraged by many Red Pillers and hardly a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 03:11 AM
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PP are individuals who sit somewhere in between Blue and Red, with the implication that they are at least somewhat Red, therefore, they can't be not Red. They're just not fully Red. Either way, there's no point in getting super technical, these are hardly concrete terms. If "Red" means those that believe in TRP, and Purple means those that believe some of the things in TRP, Blue would be everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 03:16 PM
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they have the right to expect something made up that might not even exist? There is a big difference between nonexistance and being exhibited at a 100% rate. It exists, it's just not exhibited in every single instance due to faults in people. Well ajusted individuals are just a modern way of saying "proper" Well-adjusted to me simply means a person in a reasonable state of mind without major mental, emotional or personality issues that affect their functioning within a society. Proper implies so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 03:10 PM
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You are an obvious aggressor, and thus opened to judgement. I understand that, I just do not think that is the biggest motivation behind people giving others a baseline of respect. Most people tend to "play by the rules" even when they think they're not being watched. There are social psychology experiments documenting this. That's not to say stgima doesn't motivate behavior at all, but I don't believe it to be the primary motivator in this context. Are you arguing that you never cut of someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 02:11 PM
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I think for most well-adjusted individuals, it is respect. But some people are also not capable of (or don't have the desire to) offering this baseline respect, so perhaps what keeps them in line is indeed fear of social stigma or consequences. But I would say most people typically don't turn into assholes or criminals when no one else is watching. I know for me, what keeps me from shoving the person in the line isn't fear that others are going to see and negatively judge me, it's the lack of de…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 01:24 PM
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I feel like it's because every ideology like TRP, that is rejecting the norm, needs a common enemy/cautionary tale. Blue Pill simply means someone who is not Red Pill, but in TRP, it takes on an additional meaning of a supplicating pushover. Thus, they can then say, "Do you want to become an alpha male, or do you want to be beta bux who is going to get divorce raped by a carousel riding slut?" Beta in that instance becomes the enemy and something you don't want to be. The distinction that most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 01:10 PM
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For me, there is a basic level of respect I give to everybody, until they give me a reason to withdraw it. For example, when someone is in a line, I do not shove them out of the way. I respect that they got there first. Friends/partners/family earn a level of respect that goes beyond the basic because I know them, but that doesn't mean I don't have some baseline respect for human beings in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 12:51 PM
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I consider the two distinct things that overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 12:46 PM
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Ok, this is beginning to be silly. People are arguing the semanics of two very similar words. Call it earned or attained, my point is that love and attraction are not things that happen to you automatically nor should you expect them to. They are things that require some kind of exerted effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 12:43 PM
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Says he who started a discussion, failed at it and is throwing a tantrum. I just have no qualms about pointing out you're full of shit and grasping for straws. The fallacy thing wasn't an attack, it was a characterization of your behavior. And just a friendly word of advice, you might want to save the "hit a nerve" phrase in discussions where you don't devolve into personal attacks like a child when requested to back up your claims. Resorting to unprompted emotionally-fueled insulting is pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 04:23 AM
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Kid, how about instead of ad hominem you actually either admit you were wrong or back up your claim? The last time I checked, for every response I made to you, you made one to me. Ad hominem all you want, but you invested as much in this discussion as I did, the exception being you cannot back up any of your claims and think hurling insults will make up for it. Don't start a discussion if you're going to get butthurt when you're called out and aren't enough of a mature adult to admit you were wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 04:00 AM
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It's not. But it is. I showed you that it is. I didn't even read the posts you linked That much is pretty obvious from your denial of pretty evident fact that TRP majority opinion is pretty radical and more radical than you believe it to be. because I thought it was kinda pathetic that you had them bookmarked like that Ah, here is the ad hominem. I actually had nothing bookmarked, I did a simple search on TRP for "AWALT" and looked at the most upvoted threads. Whether you find it "pathetic" or n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 03:56 AM
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You mean like the fact they think completely different, approach problems in completely different ways, interact socially on different levels, and have a completely different hormonal cocktail driving their bodies? Hell, they even value their appeal in mates differently than men. They don't think "completely different." They don't approach problems in "completely different ways." They don't interact socially on "different levels." There are differences, but these differences are actually relativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 03:46 AM
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Achievements are usually earned. I was asking what word you would use in place of earned, but nevermind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 01:18 AM
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I think "earn" is as inappropriate a concept as "entitled" What word would you use in its place? I don't think it is inappropriate because that is what it comes down to. It isn't like there is some equation that goes expend 300 hours of work get one HB7. There is no hourly rate for this work. Of course not, because individual preferences exist. However, if you put work into some aspects of yourself and your personality and someone becomes attracted to you, that is "earning" their attraction. Lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/14 12:22 AM
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The examples above indicate that, as a majority, TRP community believes AWALT is a reference to the inherent nature of women. You claimed it didn't, but I showed you very clearly that it does. YOU may think differently about the subject, but it appears that YOU do not hold the majority opinion of TRP, which is what I was discussing. Pointing out radical ideology is a surefire way to make anything look crazy. What I pointed out wasn't radical ideology of a small minority, it is the most upvoted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 10:28 PM
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Get the fuck out of here with your silly as "scientific basis" shit. lol It's love, it's an emotion, you are scientifically quantifying it. Actually, I said the claim men and women love differently is not scientifically founded. As in, there is no valid reason why men and women would love differently, and thus, why that claim should be made. Where you got quantifying love out of that, I do not know. But you cannot make claims and then not back them up with evidence, and yes, we usually consider …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 10:18 PM
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A person is entitled to basic decency and respect (note: respect as in respecting their status as a human being, not adoration). A person is entitled to make decisions for themselves, to choose their path in life, and entitled to be free from harassment and harm, and free from other people invading their private space. Good, decent well-adjusted human beings respect these rights of others without problems. Do you agree with Sarah Baker('s character)? Is a woman 'entitled' to these things? If yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 09:27 PM
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Regarding your edits: Everyone is inherently selfish Everyone is selfish but the selfishness of men is greatly underrated and underestimated in TRP philosophy, because honor and virtue are male abstracts, something something biotruths. Therefore, selfishness becomes a predominantly female trait, for some reason. Particularly, this is expanded to mean that women are incapable of NON selfish acts. I cannot count how many times I've read "when have you heard of a woman sacrificing for someone else.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 08:09 PM
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I can't believe I spent 15 minutes on this, but there is something incredibly satisfying when a RP on here disassociates from the more ridiculous tenents of TRP ideology so that he comes across as reasonable, and pointing out how he's full of shit. AWALT is not intended to mean that all women have an inherent nature that some are merely better at controlling? Well let's see. http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1voi1h/awalt/ particularly these comments http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 08:02 PM
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but I think entitlement is influenced by where these kids are getting their educations and also through propaganda in the media. Sure, you can blame MTV for glorifying douchebaggery on TV, but I think the larger problem is simply how they are raised. I feel like most people growing up nowdays don't face their big challenge in life until their 20's, and that leads to lot of entitlement, hedonism and poor personality. Challenges shape people positively by putting life's goals in perspective. Peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 04:54 PM
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People who don't or won't get pregnant but have to subsidize those who do. It's noteworthy to point out that taxes have not gone up as a result of birth control, it's just a division of current taxes are set aside to prevent future costs. If we wanted lower the crime rate, why not sterilize low income women? It's not low income itself that causes future costs or even criminal youth, it's unplanned pregnancies. The latter causes young parents in many instances to become low class due to missed jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 04:12 PM
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These people are largely a result of the single mothers from the last generation who never had to develop mentally beyond that of teenagers. I'm talking about men overall nowadays, and most men are not raised by single mothers. I'm a woman who generally has always preferred LTR - not because I have a moral problem with casual sex, I think there is nothing wrong with either gender fucking around. It just has not been my preference. There is a significant portion of men who are not fit whatsoever …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 01:47 PM
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because the current way society works, women are under no obligation to use their brains or mature beyond that of teenagers How is this a problem unique to women? People in general are less mature and more entitled/selfish nowadays. With nothing holding them accountable for their actions You don't think bad behavior in women is, at the very least, frowned upon? They are slothful, mindless whores that do not know the true meaning of honor or virtue that will say anything to maintain the status qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 12:49 PM
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Are you really entitled to BC pills? I just want to point out the reason why the government offers birth control isn't necessarily because of some inherent right or entitlement to it, it is because in practice it leads to a decrease in unwanted/unplanned pregnancies, which leads to a decrease in low poverty youth, which leads to a decrease in crime and government spending overall. It's more like an investment. Some people are getting screwed in this situation for no reason than to help women but…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 12:34 PM
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what is your advise? Once a cheater always a cheater, right? How bout if he hits her? If he does it once, he'll do it again, right? This would not be my advice. It's meant to slap that notion that your situation is a special unicorn out of your head, You can give it any pretty rationalization you want, but the presumption that all women are hypergaming sluts who WILL deceive you, all selfish and not capable of loving you (and you can put the qualifier "like men love" if you wish), and WILL dump …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/14 12:22 PM
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I think only one out of all of the studies I've linked have any direct ties to the government. The rest were either private research companies or universities. I think your argument that you can't find evidence to support your claim because the government is trying to hush it down is completely absurd. I think it's much more likely that you made a hastly, biased claim with no founding evidence, can't find the evidence when asked for it, and are now clinging to straws to save face rather than be …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 09:54 PM
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What is the relevance of this? I'm asking for research or any evidence to back up your claim that the vast majority of married men are miserable. Why do you keep arguing random side tangents instead of staying on the actual topic? My point of contention with you is your claim that most married men are miserable. I provided proof of the opposite, you dismissed it. So now I'm asking you to prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 09:01 PM
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Of course, the marriage is the biggest source of revenue for the government, why in hell would they jeopardize that? What does the government have to do with anything? I'm asking for research or any evidence to back up your claim that the vast majority of married men are miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 08:50 PM
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We have no idea of knowing how they came about their answers, saying things that make you sound good/denial could play a big part. I think you are reaching. These are studies of over a thousand of individuals using various report measures, in which the answers to the questions would remain anonymous and certainly not available for their partner to see. While desire to look good for the person asking the questions and denial could introduce biases into the study, they are not going to account for…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 08:22 PM
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it could be they just marched up to the guy and asked him in front of his wife The vast majority of research methodologies never use this method for obtaining data. They mention no actual benefits over singledom. Not sure what relevance benefits holds in this discussion. Once again, I am not trying to argue that marriage is better or the ideal. I'm challenging your claim that "most men are miserable in marriage." That's not the case. As evidenced by the fact that married men tend to be happier t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 07:59 PM
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Because your views are based on a skewed perception of the world, and there is no benefit in trying to convince you otherwise. Marriage has pros and cons and it is ultimately up to individual people to decide if it's something they want, not something that is objectively right in the same way that perhaps not treating women as children is. I'm not going to tell someone they should like marriage if they don't. Not every topic needs to be debated. What I did say, and will say again, is that your p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 07:37 PM
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I don't even know where to begin handling this, so I'm just going to say ok. Your view on marriage is insanely biased/delusional, but I honestly feel no desire to actually argue against it, because if you don't like marriage and don't want to get married, then by all means don't. Marriage isn't for everyone and no one has to get married. Just have the shred of self-awareness to understand that your perception of marriage is highly skewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 07:15 PM
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I have seen numerous examples where over the course of the marriage the wife beats down and essentially ultra domesticates the husband and then leaves him for a guy quite similar to the husband before the marriage claiming he's changed. Like I said, these things may happen on occasion, but generally speaking, no, that is not the case. Also, just an fyi that we tend to see what we want to see. Is it also not possible that in the examples you mention that the woman was disappointed that her husban…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 07:02 PM
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No, generally when she says that, she means he wasn't the person he used to be or she thought he was, just like she said. Thus why she said that. A woman may on occasion use that excuse while she means what you are implying, but that is hardly the rule-of-thumb, nor what the expression implies on any general level. The possibility of becoming involved with someone and that someone changing to someone they didn't use to be is high. Thus the probability of that reason being valid is also high.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 06:49 PM
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Most of the guys in TRP don't buy into the universal truth nonsense. Bullshit. See the concept of "AWALT" that is accepted by the majority of TRP. Your statement makes more sense when you say some of the guys in TRP don't buy into the universal truth nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 05:58 PM
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Your conscious mind is the one telling me that you're not hypergamous. That's separate from what's "deep down". This would be a good time to point out that the existence of hypergamy has not been scientifically confirmed on a conscious or subconscious level, so for you to tell this girl that deep down she is hypergamous is a bit absurd, since it may not even exist. Passing it off as a "subconscious" motive is also a convenient way to prevent it form being challenged, since anyone who disagrees i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 05:56 PM
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Women will justify it like crazy. I don't see how a woman saying "he wasn't the man I married," is a confirmation of the existence of hypergamy - a woman leaving a man with more status/resources. In fact, the answer to why she cheated or left is in the statement she made. People fall out of love for many reasons. "He wasn't the man I married," is one of them. People, in their optimism, infatuation, or straight up stupidity, can really miss the mark in judging someone's character, and wind up fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 05:50 PM
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I went through a fairly similar transformation, except I did so without TRP. I too have the respect of those around me, yet I hold a philosophy that is very anti-Red Pill. If TRP managed to do that for you, by all means good for you. My only concern is what you've taken away that isn't benign or good in your swallowing of TRP. I have yet to meet a Red Piller who did not take away some degree of misogyny, resentment or delusion with him - even when they claim otherwise. A simple discussion with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 05:40 PM
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Why in the world, would swallowing the Redpill not be better than divorce Because some relationships are doomed. Some people just don't get along, some people are just too shitty/damaged for a relationship or marriage. Maybe TRP strategy may make some of these relationships better or bearable, but you still have to take in mind where the baseline is. You're wasting your life living in a marriage that is "better than terrible." I feel like that's a version of settling, and I think people shouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/14 05:34 PM
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Thanks for the explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 01:49 PM
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We really don't market or take redpill outside our little corner of reddit I actually first was introduced to TRP based on people preaching about how various OP's should join TRP on other subreddits, and finally decided to check it out after seeing it come up so often.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 01:28 PM
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Have you considered that maybe she's just not a good person and that this TRP strategy is a temporary bandaid on a bigger problem, and you'd be better off finding a better partner? Or maybe you guys just don't get along and there are other people out there you'd both get along with better? Or maybe even that you have faults that bring out the bitch in her? I'm not saying these are the case. I'm just asking why "swallowing TRP" to save a relationship 2 fights away from a divorce is preferable ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 01:26 PM
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If TRP would change its ideology to match that of science and logic, and acknowledge the existence of individual differences and preferences, I would consider their stance but as it stands right now, I'm just not angry enough for their spite to sound either alluring or sensical. Even then, I see being a decent human being as a positive trait, and the utilization of traits like empathy and fairness as evolutionarily adapted in OUR species, while TRP sees them as weaknesses. TRP to me much of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/14 01:18 PM
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but only feminist researchers dispute widely known scientific facts about gender difference. The statements that men are more intelligent, make better leaders, are more mature, more honorable, love unconditionally, and are less selfish are not undisputed facts about gender difference. In fact, not only are they highly disputed, but there is straight up peer-reviewed evidence that disagrees with such claims. Just pick one of those topics and I'll link you to the studies, if you need it. You are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 03:52 PM
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Do you support waiving their obligation and forcing a refund on all CS paid? Logistics aside, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 07:16 AM
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Whoever was attractive, outgoing, and willing to put himself out there. Some were sweet, most were in between and some were assholes. The same went for the girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:17 PM
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That's a whole lot of hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 09:06 PM
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You're being unnecessarily dense. Calling someone irrational, comparing an adult to a child and calling them selfish and less intelligent are descriptions that carry negative connotations in our language. This isn't a matter of stating "objective differences" like women have a uterus and men have testicles, it's describing one thing as worse than the other. And doing in such a way where item A has nothing positive about it and item B has nothing negative. To dismiss that on, "it's not bad or wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 08:49 PM
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I don't get your Wiki links or how you think they support your argument, so until you explain, I'm not going to address them. Testosterone has been highly correlated with impulsivity, aggression and irrationality. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2029601/ http://faculty.washington.edu/dtae/manuscripts/campbell%20-%20Testosterone%20exposure,%20dopaminergic%20reward,%20and%20sensation-seeking%20in%20young%20men.pdf http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=4688200 Just a few I pulled while on …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 07:56 PM
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That would depend on what you're trying to achieve, I guess. As I said, most of these differences can be eliminated in a few generations. So discussions about the inferiority/superiority of any population is futile, especially in reference to skills and attributes that are not primarily genetically determined, like intelligence. The main use I see in look deeper is tracking genetic illnesses and assessing who is more at risk or who needs screening to prevent/treat individuals. A mutation that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 07:24 PM
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You're shifting goal posts so you don't have to defend your points when presented with evidence. No one is denying men have more testosterone than women or that hormones have some impact on behavior. What is being challenged is the extent of the influence if hormones in behavior and if it coincides with the differences in behavior that TRP claims (women are irrational, less intelligent, more selfish and are glorified children). Because, quite frankly, testosterone isn't associated with maturity …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 07:13 PM
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Basically, my point is that there are multiple ways to deal with things, and I find that TRP is more destructive than helpful Same. I do not negate many Red Pillers had bad experiences or dysfunctions, but I do think TRP is a bad way of addressing or coping with those experiences. It's a feel-good shortcut, and like most shortcuts in life, you wind up ultimately paying for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 04:35 PM
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The question simply asks what TRP is to people individually. I don't see how this framed in any way. Not everyone thinks TRP is a positive thing, nor do they have to. If you think it is, give your own response saying it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 04:33 PM
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Should be interesting to see if the movement catches on to this, though so far there isn't much awareness in the countless "I turned red pill, and now my girlfriend wants to break up!" posts. That's because TRP is designed to be unfalsifiable. TRP actually serves very important functions in its members, and many of them are grossy emotionally invested in it, to the point where their entire ego or self worth is built from the conceptualized idea of man that TRP espouses. It cannot be left open to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 04:24 PM
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To me, TRP is an elaborate coping mechanism for individuals who simply don't get human interactions and attraction, or had bad experiences with them. It tells vulnerable men what they want to hear. There seems to be a few different archetypes of the members of TRP: The nice guy who never got laid The Nice Guy The guy who got cheated, dumped or divorced The dysfunctional or disturbed loner The first set is typically compromised of really naive individuals who don't have much knowledge or experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 04:01 PM
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Biologically, there is no such thing as race. Intraracial differences tend to be greater or equal to interracial differences from a genetic point of view. Source: The Human Genome Project Different regional populations can tend to have different prevalence of certain genes, certain mutations, or certain phenotypes. However, it is important to note that generally, these differences are hardly as impactful as the average "race realist" believes it to be. These differences are such that can be elim…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 03:21 PM
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That being said, I would propose a system in which all children are DNA tested by default before birth certificates are signed, unless the parents decline. That I think would eliminate paternity fraud and would probably be beneficial overall for mothers. The flip side is, regardless if you're the biological father or not, if you sign a birth certificate, you are doing so knowingly and the birth certificate will serve as a legally binding contract; The birth certificate would serve as a legally b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/14 04:11 AM
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Should all women who have young children be given lighter sentences or have their cases thrown out altogether? Depends on if it is possible to punish them in such a way that it impacts their ability to parent. If it is, punish them in that manner. If not, you need to punish them in a way that it doesn't affect their ability to parent. This also applies to single fathers. Why is paternity fraud against the government coupled with extortion not a serious crime to you? You are making an assumption …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 06:18 PM
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It's not lying and cheating that is the problem. Stop trying to force your strawman/red herring on me. It's not gonna happen. The problem is her fraud against the government, and her extortion of her husband's resources under false pretense AKA theft. But it is the problem. You are equating to lying/cheating as fraud. Because having doubts or knowing the possibility of the father not being the father is not the same as knowing for an absolute fact he is not the father. In your case, you are crim…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 06:02 PM
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Ok, fine. My question (and this is the question I have been asking you) what do you suggest we do or what kind of consequences do we give these women that won't prevent them parenting the children they have? I understand your stance is essentially, "fuck the kids," but that is never going to be the government's stance because when we say fuck the kids, we wind up with more criminals, more paternity frauders, and it becomes an even bigger problem in society. The point of punishment is to deter cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:53 PM
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You failed to address one of my most pertinent points: that women who commit paternity fraud are committing fraud against the government which is undeniably a crime. I asked you for a solution in which these women are punished in a way that doesn't breed more crime because I could not think of any myself. I also explained why it is not a good idea to throw children under the bus. I ALSO provided an alternative solution, in which paternity testing becomes a default before certificates are signed.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:43 PM
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Agreed and that's why I believe informed consent is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:32 PM
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How is it not fraud to allow a man to believe/love/support a child that isn't biologically his? I'm purple and female and I really don't see how this isn't criminal. I think the issue is the difference between a woman knowing the father is not the father of the child, and her presuming he is, even if it turns out he isn't. The only way the latter can be legally reprehensible is if we criminalize cheating. That being said, the best solution is simply to use paternity tests as the norm before birt…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:30 PM
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Look, I engaged you in a sensible discussion and reasonably explained my stance in a non-inflammatory nor insulting way. If you cannot do the same, or you have no tolerance for differing opinions and cannot maintain a productive discussion, why bother making this thread at all? In the context we are speaking in, a woman who has doubts about the paternity but does not know for sure that the child is not the father is not the same as a woman who KNOWS that the child is not the father. To you, it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:17 PM
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You don't think knowing paternity is a part of informed consent? I think you may have misread. My entire point was that paternity testing should be the default so that men can know their paternity and make an informed consent. A father who has been determined by PT to be the biological father will go on the certificate, which will serve as a legally binding contract. Of course, you could also have something in which both parents sign a piece of paper that relinquishes the fatherhood from the bio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:10 PM
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"Investing in the youth" philosophy is not a valid argument for overlooking criminal actions. That paragraph did not stop at that phrase. The rest of the paragraph discusses how the philosophy has proven itself valid through systematic decrease in crime. I am also not using it as an argument to overlook crime, but rather, in punishing crime, to avoid methods which throw kids under the bus. Again, I believe women who knowingly and deliberately commit paternity fraud deserve some type of consequen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 05:06 PM
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Does it matter? Seriously? Why are children so sacrosanct in this culture? "Invest in youth" philosophy. Because when we fail to protect or invest in the youth, we wind up with more criminals and more costs to the government and society than it costs to protect and invest in the youth. Poverty, low education, etc, these things lead to children growing up to be career criminals. We don't want career criminals. And when this philosophy is applied, we see a systematic decrease in crime when those k…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 04:21 PM
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I agree that, that attitude is the problem. However, I wouldn't necessarily contribute it to feminism in general. The quote you selected is one that appalls most people, including most feminists. The author implies that women should be able to choose fathers, something that resembles more TRP-style pseudoscience rather than reason. There's also the issue of general misunderstanding/skepticism about such a system, and people who strongly believe DNA is not important to parenthood. But I believe u…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 03:57 PM
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Long time lurker of PPD. I feel like this is an interesting topic but you're probably not the best person to argue on either side of it, since no offense but you come across as batshit crazy in most of your posts. That being said, I consider myself BP. paternity fraud coupled with the extortion of the cuckolded man's economic resources (paying for healthcare, tuition, etc.) under false pretenses is THEFT. If done knowingly and deliberately, I agree, and I do think there should be some consequenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 03:22 PM
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