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2	Dating is just sales. I wouldn’t claim to know what every individual woman wants But of course your "women expert" men do, right? To quote you: "Some men certainly know more about women than some women do." So if you just listen to what they say, you'll know half the world's population better than they do themselves! I don’t believe this. I think they have some value, but do not correspond neatly to real behaviours. You think women's self-declared preferences have only some value in dating? Are you genuinely serious?…	/r/seduction	19/04/23 10:09 PM
1	Dating is just sales. A lot of men will literally tell you they go to the gym and do other things with the intent to "get bitches." I'm not quite sure where you're going with this, but what I meant was that I disagree with the belief that men have to be the pursuers. It should be normal to approach someone whether you're a man or a woman. (Also, I understand you're quoting other men, so this isn't at all a criticism of you, but I think men using "bitches" to describe women is deeply misogynistic. I just feel the need…	/r/seduction	19/04/23 11:51 AM
1	Dating is just sales. I wouldn't claim to know what you personally want nor is it relevant to this discussion at all. My claim was that 1) people's self-declared preferences are not always what they respond to and that 2) men who have dated many women generally have better insight into the seduction process than most women OP wasn't talking about men knowing the seduction process better than women, but men knowing women's wants better than women. If your "female expert" men wouldn't be able to determine accurately wh…	/r/seduction	19/04/23 11:40 AM
1	Dating is just sales. First off, men don't "have" to be the pursuers. That's a belief that I hope to see die away in my lifetime. And men can fix their hair and dress a certain way to be attractive too. Developing social skills is one thing, designing your whole life and persona around the idea of being marketable to people (as OP describes) is another thing altogether.	/r/seduction	18/04/23 10:33 PM
1	Dating is just sales. I think that's an extremely naive view of human psychology. You're assuming that all people are at all times honest and self-reflective. Plenty of people will say obvious falsehoods about themselves like "advertising doesn't work on me". If you're so certain that these male "women experts" know women's wants better than they know themselves, tell me what I want. Let's hear your expert psychological assessment, as opposed to my naïve one. If you can't do that with 100% accuracy, how can you possi…	/r/seduction	18/04/23 10:25 PM
1	Dating is just sales. Your post is making the assumption that: people's self-declared preferences are what they actually respond to Yeah, weirdly enough I think it's ridiculous to presume to know someone's thoughts and feelings better than they do. Controversial opinion, I guess? As an example for the third point: plenty of women say that they like confidence in a man. But I've yet to meet a women who knows what practical steps a man can take to become confident. For that you need the advice of a man who has gone thr…	/r/seduction	18/04/23 09:28 PM
1	Dating is just sales. OP wasn't talking about technique. He was saying women are incorrect about what they want, which is ridiculous. It is literally impossible to know more about someone more than they do about themselves. Every person has deeply complex and unique life experiences, interests, perspectives, relationships, etc. Women are not one-size-fits-all. Any person who claims to know someone better than they know themselves is talking bullshit. If someone said, "I'd love a snickers right now", it'd be totally r…	/r/seduction	18/04/23 08:42 PM
1	Dating is just sales. Fair enough. I think the rest of what I said still stands though.	/r/seduction	18/04/23 08:26 PM
1	Dating is just sales. The 'misogynistic' comment I made was in relation to men assuming they know more about what women want than women do, which is misogynistic and has nothing to do with LTR/non-LTR discourse. In relation to non-LTRs, I actually said "If you're just in it for sex, then fair enough I guess". I meant that applying this advice to LTRs would be harmful and unhealthy.	/r/seduction	18/04/23 11:34 AM
2	Dating is just sales. OP literally said "Build a product (your life) with the qualities they value", how is that not to be interpreted as revolving your life around it?	/r/seduction	18/04/23 10:45 AM
2	Dating is just sales. A huge amount of the people are on this subreddit because they want a romantic relationship, so it is does belong on this sub.	/r/seduction	18/04/23 10:43 AM
1	Dating is just sales. Because all of your relationships should definitely echo corporate America, a system of capitalism that is 100% working and not failing at all. If you're just in it for sex, I guess fair enough, but I think what OP wrote is very unhealthy when applied to a romantic relationship.	/r/seduction	18/04/23 07:00 AM
1	Dating is just sales. I didn't say anything about lying. I said that if someone found out their partner had built their entire life (hobbies, interests, personality, etc.) around the idea of making themself marketable to them, that someone would probably be weirded out and uncomfortable with that.	/r/seduction	18/04/23 06:56 AM
1	If men started to respect themselves more, we would have a much easier time You could just say you're unable to answer the question lol. On a more serious note, I'm no longer expecting you to engage with me on this topic, so you don't have to bother responding to this message, but you should probably think about what I said on your own time. It's really bizarre that you'd want to date people you actively dislike.	/r/seduction	18/04/23 12:22 AM
3	If men started to respect themselves more, we would have a much easier time Because back when your grandfather was in the dating scene, women like your grandmother had no choice but to get married to survive, because life was extremely difficult for an unmarried woman for a myriad of reasons that you should've been educated on as a child. Now women are able to choose to not be with people they don't want to be with, because they are no longer dating for survival. And if women don't want to be in a relationship at all, or at least not one with a man, they are free to do …	/r/seduction	18/04/23 12:09 AM
1	If men started to respect themselves more, we would have a much easier time If you believe women are "lazy" and "narcissistic", and for them "dating is transactional" and "men are wallets" why do you want to date them? If they're as awful as you've described, it sounds like you'd be better off if you didn't.	/r/seduction	17/04/23 11:53 PM
2	If men started to respect themselves more, we would have a much easier time Absolutely lol. Most of the people in this sub don't even see women as people, like we're some kind of malevolent alien species who actively work to deprive men of happiness.	/r/seduction	17/04/23 11:49 PM
2	If men started to respect themselves more, we would have a much easier time Rather than criticising her you should be criticising the men who decide to lie and manipulate to get what they want from someone.	/r/seduction	17/04/23 11:44 PM
2	Dating is just sales. Then it would probably be a good idea for you to meet women who share the same interests as you, like through a book club or writers group in your city. Bonding over a shared interest (especially ones as intimate as reading and writing) fosters a really authentic connection.	/r/seduction	17/04/23 11:23 PM
0	Dating is just sales. I mean...wouldn't you be weirded out if you found out someone you were dating crafted their whole life and persona to make themselves 'marketable' to you? And thought of themselves as a 'product' and you as a 'customer' to sell themselves to? It indicates a degree of self-loathing and an unhealthy dependency on a partner to make them feel valuable.	/r/seduction	17/04/23 11:15 PM
10	Dating is just sales. That's kind of a sad way to see dating, isn't it? To use your sales analogy, there's a reason focus groups exist. Women know what they want, and generally it's traits that make someone a suitable life partner (kindness, respect, loyalty, patience) which somehow many men think they're lying about? It's really misogynistic to think you know more about women than they do about themselves. I'll give you this business tip for free: misogyny doesn't sell well. You should build your life with the aim o…	/r/seduction	17/04/23 11:03 PM
1	If men started to respect themselves more, we would have a much easier time How about seeing it from another perspective? Rather than just dismissing women as having "inflated egos", think about how it would feel as a woman to be constantly hounded by these so-called "wolves hunting for sheep"? Have you considered that maybe women do not want this attention "for just simply existing", and that is why they so often reject it? Most women do not go about their day looking for male attention, and certainly not from people who would rank them from 1-10 based on physical attr…	/r/seduction	16/04/23 10:07 PM