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It's because each individual actually has multiple "minds", each with it's own functions and needs. A lot of what you wrote in your post is coming from a rational place, but our actions often are mixed bag of conscious and subconscious motivations, with the subconscious almost always winning out in the average person. The BP pretty much ignores the subconscious. I have 0 reason to love tits, and ass, outside of some evolutionary goal to procreate with healthy women. It's literally fat, and some …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 02:59 AM
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Looks are not as important in the alpha/beta consideration as traits, but I do think looks can be alpha/beta. For example when we see cars, we see masculinity in the common american muscle cars. Compare that to a toyota prius, or a minivan. Same with people, "rugged" looks are alpha. Soft skin, curved features are feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 11:41 PM
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I went on amifat and that was some weird shit. Normal looking girls asking if they were fat and then a bunch of dudes were like "yep gotta get down to 110".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 10:21 PM
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Need a snickers?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 01:12 AM
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I would have raged. Wow. No that wasn't right, he should abandon all of them. He's young.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:05 PM
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"That sweet sweet dick"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:35 PM
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Cause loneliness is probably 10 x worse when you're older. No one understands you're struggles, you're weaker, hear worse, have worse health and a partner who's going through it with you can make it better. Having someone to yell at, or talk to is nice too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:22 PM
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Women should ideally get pregnant before 30 if they want kids. The rates of infertility, birth defects increase drastically after 30. I mean you can still do it, but I rotated at a fertility clinic and that was the common advice. Peak is probably 21-25.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:19 PM
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🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:16 PM
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So that you could then make that statement that you'd endure a lot of bad sex based on something concrete. Unless you mean men in general are bad at sex, in which case you're gonna endure bad sex no matter what before you find the one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 08:44 PM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 08:18 PM
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As far as I know no one has invented a test to detect your n count. No one needs to know. Guys will multiply their n count by 3 and women divide by 3 didn't you know? My n count is 1 million
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 08:07 PM
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How would you know, have you tried?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 08:01 PM
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Damn all the guys you run into on tinder are both bad at sex and want a relationship? I'm sorry that you are facing these burdens
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 07:37 PM
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Lol yea they are, a guy on tinder you kidding me?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:49 PM
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all you gotta do is give enough dudes a chance til you find the right one, and if he isn't willing to date you just fwb. Boom, solved your sex problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:12 PM
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You won't know til you try
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:10 PM
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Well one is free and the other costs money, so it's actually easier than ordering a pizza
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:09 PM
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That is so much easier said than done.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 05:46 PM
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maybe the rest of reddit, ppd however, sexy af
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 05:44 PM
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Well that's the thing. Maybe trp doesn't make you happy, maybe it leaves you empty and jaded inside because it was never what you were seeking, it just seems that way because you were so thirsty. Maybe being bp and full of wonder like morty is better. That's for the viewer to decide, but the show is trying to depict reality as is. Especially with Jerry and his wife when it comes to marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:46 PM
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Np, lemme know if you think it's trp or feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:10 AM
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Like a week ago, it's on YouTube
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:03 AM
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I can see that. Mom is extremely resentful though, both because she's the head of the family and because of her lazy husband. Morty is conflicted cause he's nice, has the bp conditioning, but Rick is trying to peel away at it. The first episode of season 3 was really good btw
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:00 AM
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yea?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:13 AM
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I can tell you from a man's perspective, it takes so little to make us happy. All those magazines are utter bullshit. Women require a lot more, it's subconscious so it's not your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 02:40 AM
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Women are far more complex than men in relationships. There's a subreddit with 200000 people trying to figure them out. There's a whole pua community which has essentially tried to break it down into a science. There's a whole industry behind teaching dudes how to get laid and excel with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 02:23 AM
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Fascinating, enjoy reading these unique perspectives
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 02:10 AM
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Lol, someone needs their vitamin d
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 01:30 AM
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Imagine you had a higher sex drive, got turned on by things simply by looking at them, and that your drive can go 0-100 pretty quick, and that you are guaranteed an orgasm from sex, and that you get praised by society for having a high n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 01:10 AM
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The writer of Rick and Morty is deeply familiar with TRP/RP. It is so blatantly obvious at how jerry is treated and how rick, a heartless asshole who is exciting entices his own daughter. Not sexually but a deep admiration. The show has so many layers to it that it is not a main focus but RP is present. As to your question, it is extremely rare, and is a horrible idea for the majority of men. THe only scenario where I see it being good for the man is if he is very feminine and enjoys being domin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:07 PM
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There is no advice that magically makes your life a lot better lol. A good role model who you admire might help, but that's about it. As far as truths, someone shoulda told me early on that women aint shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:44 PM
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It is as big of a disadvantage as you make it. It might be better to not even play the game. Just live life on your own terms. Being ugly in the dating world is obviously disastrous, and big picture it results in less attention. You will get no special attention or treatment. You can be successful, and still live a fulfilling life but you gotta set your expectations right imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:40 PM
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Lol, there is 0 chance that men get raped by women at the same rate that women get raped by men. Not on this planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:23 PM
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that self awareness, props
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:37 PM
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Maybe, whatever it was, it was great
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:18 PM
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have you ever seen korean male celebrities? They look feminine as fuck, but they are still considered good looking. Have you seen Jon Snow from GoT? He is considered to look "pretty" like a woman, still considred attractive. You are just mixing up these two variables (looks and character traits) for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:17 PM
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Conor mcgregor is an alpha, George Clooney is a successful and charming beta dude. Testosterone can shape your looks via bone structure and shoulder width etc but it doesn't automatically make you good looking. 2 separate variables that are marginally linked to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:47 PM
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I'm like this. If I see bone, ribs I'm turned OFF. I'm also turned off by masculine women. It's not a fetish, but rather a turn off. There's a golden zone where she's thick but not fat, but I would bang a fat chick over a super skinny chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:25 PM
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Agreed, have dated needy women. Not an ounce of entitlement, very easy to talk to. Don't need maintenance, put out often and are a lot of fun in the sack. I am actually nicer than normal towards needy women for some reason too. I'm not talking clingy, I wouldn't put up with that for a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 05:42 PM
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Agreed, have dated needy women. Not an ounce of entitlement, very easy to talk to. Don't need maintenance, put out often and are a lot of fun in the sack. I am actually nicer than normal towards needy women for some reason too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 05:39 PM
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George Clooney is most likely not an alpha male. He's a mix of both, but unless he's secretly confrontational and dominant I'd be willing to bet he's predominantly beta (not a bad thing). There is a massive confounding variable here: fame. Alpha males don't always look good either: Mike Tyson, Donald trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 05:29 PM
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Do you believe in masculine and feminine people?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 05:24 PM
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That's great that you were able to overcome something so difficult. Keep in mind though, it must have taken a specific moment, in the right circumstances, at the right time for you to say fuck it im going to change. Those circumstances and the time is different for everyone. Telling an incel to stop being bitter and to objectively improve, would be like me telling you when you were an alcoholic to stop being an alcoholic (at a time when you weren't ready for change). It takes something different…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:14 PM
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Lol, these are damaged people who have lost the genetic lottery and have a poor upbringing. All of which contributed to their "personality defects". You'd be doing the same thing if you were in their position friend, and so would I. We are human after all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:32 PM
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You think personality defects are easy to correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:45 PM
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Whatever the number is, it's a lot lower than women. Most guys would high five a high schooler for banging a teacher lol. Unless she was hideous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:41 PM
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Don't they do weird shit like hissing and snapping instead of clapping? Honestly those guys are taken for granted. What they did is unreal, literally walked forward knowing they would most likely die, while watching their comrades face the same fate. Heroes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:39 PM
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How often do you swipe right? Don't need to become a dude but should lower standards. volunteer/mountain biking/ rock climbing/ music festivals and drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:21 PM
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Yeah. Why don't you try online dating? Unless you're in the middle of nowhere, its good for shy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:05 PM
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You are not going to be with this woman. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:59 AM
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SMV - tits, ass, long hair, symmetrical facial features, style RMV - Warm, positive, open minded, fun
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:47 AM
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You've got it right. A bit of a tangent but a good friend of mine who is naive but a very good guy accidentally slept with a tranny. It was obvious to me and other people, but it wasn't to him. His reaction is something I still won't forget, it was essentially "ah damn I didn't see that" and moved on. Completely unphased and as if it wasn't a big deal. I realized at that moment that so much of the pain we cause is by ourselves. It's one of the reasons I don't buy into trp even though I agree wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:09 AM
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If you're gonna be lazy, that's the way to go about it. Either you meet your self- expectations, or you lower them entirely. You've taken the latter approach, while not super noble, is ultimately the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:20 AM
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Porn does hold men back, there is absolutely no doubt about it. To what extent is another question, one that we don't know enough about. All of our carnal urges, hunger, lust, violence completely silenced by society via fast food, porn, and videogames so I'm sure we will see a decline in risk taking behaviors, specifically entrepreneurship. My experience is the same as yours btw. When I don't jerk it for a while, I stop thinking about sex. It comes in waves every now and then, but it feels like …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:41 AM
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Men still run everything. All major corporations and government leaders are mostly men. Porn, videogames, internet, are the BANE of our existence and have drastically slown us down though. Believe it or not, our thirst is both our greatest strength and weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:09 AM
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How would high T result in beta lol, beta = feminine, femininity is associated with women because of estrogen and lack of testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:50 PM
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If your SO was a navy seal? or a MMA fighter? Or the president of the US? I have seen women here post that they are not attracted to body parts, they need a holistic picture to be aroused. The profession, depending on which , can definitely add to that picture, based on what I've read here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:39 PM
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I don't get this, women don't really control their orgasms, it depends almost entirely on their partners. Some dudes can go ham for a long time before busting, and others bust in 2 min. So unless you've been fucked well by someone who doesn't have a micro penis, I don't think you will even know if you can orgasm vaginally or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:08 PM
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What kind of idiotic reasoning is that. So if you had a memory of 5 min can I just keep torturing you? Since you won't remember?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:41 PM
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unecessarily inflicting pain for one. It removes a lot of sensation as the majority of nerve endings are on the foreskin.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:50 AM
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Theres few people on trp, subscribed and posting. Then theres a large segment I predict who just read, and don't speak of it at all in rl. Especially with this fisher thing, I would bet atleast 10% of hs/college males know what trp is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:25 AM
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Because once that bitterness goes away, you still hold to rp beliefs. It's just a different way to see reality, who knows who's right or wrong. It makes sense to me so I believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:17 AM
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Culture shock bro, didn't say a word
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:04 AM
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In my opinion, all men should value women secondarily in their lives. TRP is a trap in the sense that it makes everything about women. Even the fucking posts about "don't do this for the women!" are delusional. Gotta have a little bit of that MGTOW in ya, always.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:56 AM
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walked into a legit crack house one time cause I was high on some shit and a "friend" knew of a happening place after hours so I followed. 2 girls doing cocaine, one looked 16 and the other was in her 20s. A drug dealer suited up and everything in the apt as well, just had to play it cool and not react lol. I remember this one dude there was like "oh yea she's a prostitute btw if you couldn't tell" because I wasn't following her stories about old men and their treatment of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:30 AM
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Point is laziness in men breeds a special type of resentment in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:33 PM
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he is lazy if he is passive, not proactively pursuing something. The degree of the passiveness is probably going to be directly correlated with her resentment and nagging. Someone proactive is actively trying to get their shit together in some aspect, regarding their health, wealth, relationships or their own hobbies/whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:23 PM
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not op but, people aren't 100% feminine or masculine. If you were only feminine, you would be weak and dependent to the point of mental illness. The point is women also have masculine elements to them, that enable them to dictate their own fate and standing in life. RP simply states it is better for men to be more masculine than feminine, and vice versa for women from the prism of relationships/sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:56 PM
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Masculinity in a philosophical sense is a form of proactiveness, self reliance, independence, freedom. At the most basic level it is testosterone driven behavior --> dominance, violence, confrontation
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:52 PM
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Oh ok, misunderstood.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:15 PM
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Lol, I know. I'm just saying the routine behavior of women in these situations, which is to lie rather than be brutally honest (i understand, it's hard to be upfront about this type of shit), ends up confusing dudes and makes them wonder if it is THEM or their height or something else, and does more damage than just straight up mocking someone for being short in the long run. I would rather be told: "dude you're short, and I don't want to fuck you because of it" than be told something vague and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:04 PM
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damn dude, this level of excuse making will probably make the women of this board ready to nag you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:00 PM
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nagging is due to a drastic difference in how women and men communicate, added on to the fact that the dude might be being a lazy pos. I have experienced this countless times where some girl complains about her problems and I tell her what I think is the best course of action, and it was as if I just insulted her or something. Nagging is the way she communicates that something is wrong, but doesn't really address it. It's just emotional vomit. Based on her lack of respect due to him being a lazy…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:53 PM
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Yeah, not only is it more fun, it's more humane too. Win win
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:34 PM
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Love the honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:06 PM
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Lol wow I didn't realize it was that bad lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:56 PM
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Even worse, you don't date him because he's short but yet make it seem like it's for another reason so he wonders for the rest of his life if MAYBE his height had something to do with it 🤔.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:54 PM
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There's about to be a massive increase in number of terpers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:45 PM
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rp being talked about in default subreddits, damn. I wonder how many guys know of rp and it's theories but say absolutely nothing about it in rl.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:00 AM
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You're young, 19 right? Get your first lay out of the way. It will happen sooner or later, you seem like a good dude. Go to music festivals, raves. Easy as fuck, everyone is so social and friendly. Gotta be secure about your station in life man, self judgements will fuck you worse than any divorce rape. I see the damage trp does by making young guys obsess over smv and women. Shits toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:48 AM
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Dude all this self improving and maximizing smv is subconsciously pussy whipping you. Agree with experimenting w/ drugs to learn more about yourself. Mdma will show you that happiness is nothing more than a fucking chemical, lsd shows you how flawed your perception of reality can be. Other than that, chase a check (or whatever you want), never chase a bitch (futureee)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:34 AM
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It's weird for a man to be attracted to a woman more masculine than himself. It's not weird for a masculine dude to be attracted to a slightly less masculine chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:45 AM
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Dat privilege doe
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:43 AM
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Virtue signaling is actually a form of self delusion for most people. I'm a good fucking person because I believe in xyz. It goes deep. Agree with your point though, only if other labels are also not used to shut down debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:33 AM
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Because validation from thirsty dudes is awesome and they don't admit. On the rare event they see someone hot who isn't a serial killer they might take a chance. That is entirely secondary to the validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 06:31 PM
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Hm. All men or most men would be players if they could be. The reality is they can't. The majority of them literally cannot do it, so if you want to go after the avg guy, you have little to worry about. Now the problem for you (speaking generally about women) is you are only attracted to those that do have lots of options. AMALT indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:29 PM
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You think the average guy is scheming to become a plate spinning trper? The most common sexual strategy from both sides is casual fun --> sexual relations -> re-evaluate. Very few dudes are like "omg I'm gonna fuck the shit out of this girl and then never speak to her again!!" This will be done by guys naturally who have a tremendous number of options, who are the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:18 PM
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How do women know that tinder is basically a bunch of dudes just want to pump and dump? Tinder is just average people on both sides. They don't have some super plan, (outside of Trp and pua) it's just played by ear.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:04 PM
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This is so ridiculously outdated, with the advent of online dating, social media, obsession with alcohol and drugs, the most common protocol is just hang out eventually have sex, do that a few more times, wonder what the relationship is and then define it. No one outside of religious folk commit before sex lol. It's casual fun that naturally progresses into ltr if there's potential
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:51 PM
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But getting pumped and dumped is not a status quo on tinder. It's an exaggerated fantasy drummed up by women after reading the redpill. Most guys are open to something more, they just start it off super casual cause she's getting mad offers from lots of other men and they have to make sure they don't put anything on the table too early. If it turns out a tinder date was awesome and y'all had great chemistry that can easily transition into a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:36 PM
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Great hypothetical. I wouldn't see it as a negative. For two reasons, friends are cool and I could try to make it more if I cared to. If I fail idc, so many options lol. Edit: ok so since you are making these women be shit friends, yea then I wouldn't care. Wouldn't use the app.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:51 AM
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nobody really gives a shit what you do, one day you will be in the dirt. Those are questions you gotta answer yourself bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:26 AM
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I have yet to meet a secure dude who is obsessed with getting his dick wet. I would give the same advice to my daughter, but I would caution her that masculine character traits celebrated by society aren't the end all be all. Too many women with a chip on their shoulder just trying to beat the patriarchy by attempting super hard to be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:34 AM
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That's surprising. Don't care about societal pressure? What about kids? You don't really lose anything by getting married. He does, why not take advantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:17 AM
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That depends, if you just want to get your dick wet: get jacked, get great pictures, employ pua techniques and be very aggressive online and offline. Number's game. If you want to succeed LTR, there is no short cut here. You have to inspire respect, and that will never come easy. I would tell my son to be secure with himself first. Doesn't matter if he is beta, alpha, omega. Cut that insecurity out of your life completely. Then I would tell him to find character traits he sees in other people th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:03 AM
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madness
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:35 AM
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Marriage is an important aspect of social status and reputation. It still has an important role for raising kids. The plate spinning fantasy is just that, and no woman is going to stick around in cohabitation forever without that ring. It is a worse deal by far for men, but so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:52 AM
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Gonna agree with you, it's the expectation men place on themselves that crushes them, not the actual lack of sex. The thing is monks have abandoned sex alltogether from the very beginning. They COULD be successful if they tried, so their self judgements aren't as harsh. Most incel types are in a state where they are trying and can't get sex. That self judgement is going to be severe. The lack of sex physiologically doesn't do anything harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:52 PM
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I have never really cared much for height, as long as she's not on the extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:46 PM
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That's a great point, money and status is in some tangential way related to who I am then. So it could reflect on my character/personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:04 PM
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Turn off PPD and never come back. Your peace of mind should be >>>> whatever theories discussed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:23 PM
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If not done correctly lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:15 PM
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They don't need to plan, they have an instinctive 24/7 "oh fuck did that grass just move in an unusual way" --> move head back and forth 10 times and then resume eating while looking vigilantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:56 PM
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I think both men and women are terrible at estimating their own worth in the dating world. For men it is much easier though, how much effort do I need to spend to get laid? For women not so much, it's how much effort do I need to spend to get a partner for a relationship? One is a lot harder to answer because guys might not be forthright about their motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:43 PM
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Yup, but there's a slight bit more to it. Everyone isn't just Feminine OR Masculine, they fall in some gradient between being 100% one or the other. To add to this, men can be more feminine than masculine, and women can be more masculine than feminine. There are also highly balanced individuals who are in the middle, who will probably seek someone else who is in the middle also. There is a correlation between sex and masculinity/femininity but it isn't always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:36 PM
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Yup, and it's often dressed up as "no hookups". In their mind's no hook ups means "ey bb you want sum fk" "no". If you go on a fun date however and bang that very same night without knowing if it will go anywhere--> that isn't a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:27 PM
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My money/status is a part of who I am as a person, so B
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:20 PM
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She looks like a dude, that is a complete turn off to me. I'd rather fuck some average chubby chick who no one will give the time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:55 PM
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She's a bit below average tbh. World of Warcraft is sexy af so in reality that guy is close to 10/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:54 PM
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It's hard for them because women give it up so easily these days. Normally a woman would just withhold sex and see if the guy is actually LTR material. Now if she withholds, I'm out cya. No need to wait. This allows guys to easily enter into fwb relationships, casual flings, and avoid commitment until they really need to. Women have made it harder for women to obtain an LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:51 PM
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Requires self awareness bro, telling a fish it's surrounded by water is hard. "omg so many tinder matches!!, I don't think this desperation or thirst translates to benefit me in any other way except for casual sex!"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:00 PM
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RP bashes on BP a lot for the "be yourself" platitude. It's actually not a bad concept. It essentially means be secure with yourself. Secure RP male > Secure Bp male> Insecure RP male> Insecure BP male.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:25 PM
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Gazelles live in a constant state of paranoia, for fear of being eaten. Lions have the disadvantages you mentioned. I'd rather be a lion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:13 PM
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Let's go back to physical strength, men are stronger. There is no "men and women have different experiences" hamster there, women are fully aware that they are weak compared to men. When this sub first started, women were actually blind to the fact that they even get casual sex easier. Common rebuttals were "it only applies to attractive women" or "attractive men can easily get casual sex too!" Eventually, the women became some what self aware and realized their power of getting legions of "ogre…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:05 PM
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sexual and social attention are often mixed. As I said earlier, most guys don't talk to women by saying "ey bb want sm fk", it's subtle and subconscious. Think about all the guy friends you have (assuming you are a chick), all of them give you some social and sexual attention. If they can't outright display it due to friendzone or whatever, then they will find other ways. Maybe by talking to you more, being nicer to you, etc, which wouldn't otherwise happen if that sexual attraction wasn't prese…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:48 AM
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I get that, but if we follow this type of thinking before we know it we will have a generation of "omg that makes me uncomfortable, im annoyed" at everything. Better to just have thicker skin, no laws are being broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 02:03 AM
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Lol, this is true for women who are hot and also aware of how to use it. Most women don't realize that they get extra attention for being xx, and even more inflated attention for being hot. So they usually just get a lot of extra attention, more opportunities to make friends and relationships and that's about it, but if they REALLY wanted to they could get the above. It would require a stunning amount of self awareness + some effort and you gotta be hot ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 10:47 PM
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There are some very important reasons, which are more about reputation and status. Being single is seen as a negative the older you are, and that's a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 10:39 PM
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pretty sure you can learn from internet and become a make up god yourself. Just don't overdo it, cause once you cross that threshold it's hurting you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 10:28 PM
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That's entirely subjective though. Most people have common decency and don't want to go out of their way to make others uncomfortable. What if someone just easily gets uncomfortable? Or easily annoyed? It's much more useful to just not give a fuck, not be so easily rattled.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 10:25 PM
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poc usually love big booty, so it's gonna have an even more exaggerated effect
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 10:21 PM
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I think this depends on the individual, and each person depending on upbringing will be a certain level of soft. Men are encouraged not to show it, and woman are encouraged to be vulnerable so what we see is entirely different from how personally affected someone is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 10:18 PM
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This is the male hamster rationalizing that it wishes it could appreciate pure natural beauty, but the reality is women with makeup are more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 10:13 PM
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I wouldn't jump to that conclusion, maybe on other dating sites like match or okcupid. On tinder most men and women are looking for casual fun, you can dress that up in language like "no hookups" or "date" but it's the same shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 09:36 PM
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It's purely psychological. The woman knows that the dude will incur some losses if he leaves, so he is pinned down a bit more than normal. He doesn't have a clear exit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 06:42 PM
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People don't swipe based on leagues lol, it's literally a "would I bang or would I not".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 06:18 PM
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You missed the point of my post, ugly Jenny can get more dick, more validation, will have more friends on average than ugly Ben. In all stages and at every level, women will get sympathy and support if they are seen as struggling in any facet of life. If it weren't for the anonymity of the internet I would never even raise this issue as it would make me look incredibly weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 03:55 PM
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Since I don't have a flair, I might use it. I'll figure it how to get a flair tomorrow
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 05:01 AM
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It's aight man we all coping one way or the other. Just enjoy the ride as best you can
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:56 AM
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There's no way I'd believe that, this she's disconnected from reality
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:45 AM
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When you have so many options to choose from you lose sight of things. A normal way to start a conversation becomes boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:37 AM
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paragons of thirst
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:15 AM
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When's your next lecture? I'd love to learn about virtue and how to be a winner/good person. You clearly have it figured out
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 03:07 AM
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Lol, I am not one of those people. As in one girl never had a boyfriend in her life, is overweight, chubby face, bad facial features. The other girl was actually attractive, great facial features, but pretty overweight so I said she was avg.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 02:50 AM
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Just take my word for it, I was actually gonna say they were below average and gave them the benefit of the doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 02:46 AM
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Maybe that's the final level of RP, where you just pretend to be BP in all facets of life while slayin
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 02:15 AM
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Thanks marcus aurelius, we are dealing with average people here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 02:04 AM
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Nope I'm not being sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:45 AM
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Yes, that's because they didn't go their own way. They are still pussy whipped somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:41 AM
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Unless you are in LA, most guys don't really try to maximize thier looks + photography
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:24 AM
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Damn it I'm only 8'10
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:17 AM
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lol, do you think she would put her money where her mouth is and swap her invasion of ogres experience with the average male experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:15 AM
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I'm not a chick, :-o
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:12 AM
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What does that mean? I don't understand
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:09 AM
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You're right, except men aren't allowed to say "check your privilige". That would be weak as fuck, and pathetic. That's why the manosphere exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:06 AM
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lack of self respect is definitely a factor in the bitterness
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:03 AM
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That's more than good enough lol. As long as you're not like "omg, i have TOO MANY guys coming after me!" we gucci
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:50 AM
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Ok. Just to explain your matches, guys are fully aware at how many matches girls get and how a "hey" isn't going to cut it since they get bombarded by messages. That alone cuts into my motivation atleast, and the standard fear of getting rejected makes me message girls rarely if at all. I stopped trying on tinder because it does take a significant amount of effort, Ive had some good experiences with it but its pretty random.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:47 AM
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I don't care, because I know life comes with it's share of disadvantages and advantages. I know it would help men feel better 100% though, people love being empathized with, man or woman. edit: men wouldn't actively seek sympathy, and would probably tell you "eh it doesn't matter" like I did to not appear weak, but I can tell you without a doubt being empathized with is a good feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:10 AM
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Yup, sexual attraction is the basis of it. However sexual attention doesn't always come at you like "ey bb want sum fuck". It can be very subtle, guys who say hi and smile at you might not have done that otherwise if you were a dude. Someone might go out of their way to help you find something you lost, from that sexual attraction. Anyways, you seem more self aware than most of the posters in this thread imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:07 AM
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No, I am talking about more than casual sex. That is just a minor symptom, women get more attention from other human beings generally. Do you agree with that? Does that align with what you see on social media? with your experiences in your life? I agree with you that women get casual sex ez pz, and that it also doesn't mean much to y'all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:03 AM
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Not a single woman in this thread as far as I am aware has agreed that women get more attention generally and have more opportunities for relationships (friends and romantic).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:00 AM
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Your response was the exact same response given in my hypothetical lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:40 PM
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You see this privilige of getting people to click on profiles and express passing desire to use them as a hole in isolation. It is merely a perk, one of many that stems from the foundation that women on average receive more attention than men, from day 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:39 PM
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Nope, just like how a man who never works out in his life will still be stronger than 95% of the female population, the average girl will be better than the averag guy regarding relationships. I'm not going to make a claim that the average girl >95% of guys, for that I have no data, facebook does though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:21 PM
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it's not a rational response, most people aren't entirely rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:03 PM
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you don't need to take responsibility for anyone else's problems. I'm just telling you where the bitterness is coming from, as an observation of reality. You either agree or disagree. You saying "it doesnt matter" is irrelevant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 10:58 PM
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Nah, I understand you don't give a shit about attention you receive from men who you aren't attracted to. That isn't my point, it's more about just understanding you have a first world problem on your hands, and that you would rather have this problem than have the male version. You're essentially saying, women being weaker than men isn't really a disadvantage, because women don't give a shit about being strong. Wouldn't hurt to be strong though would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 10:49 PM
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This is exactly what I'm talking about, you claim you are attractive, make a tinder account, get lots of matches, then say the guys are attention whoring when they don't ask you out on a date. Maybe they are just afraid or taking their time. I fully agree with you that online dating and social media inflates attention to everyone. I see a disproportionate amount of attention going to women though, so from that I think it's disingenous to think there isn't a reason for it. My reason is that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 10:42 PM
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Was at coachella last weekend, saw plenty. I don't blame them for not really seeing it though, because it isn't as straightforward as physical superiority. These things are hard to measure, more subtle. With the advent of facebook, online dating I'm sure there is more than enough data to support one side or the other, and I'd love to see such data.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 10:31 PM
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My only question to you is why are you analyzing subconscious concepts with such a high degree of certainty? Always be critical of your assumptions, because once you find one of your assumptions to be false, the rest will follow. Happens to the best of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:51 PM
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arrogance, entitlement, unable to adjust or accomodate for others, constant gossip
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 06:49 PM
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The most emasculated, soft, supplicating bp male can be happier than an insecure plate spinning, wealthy, jacked rp male. It all comes down to your own self judgements. Ultimately the reality of the world may be accurate that the traditional "alpha" male might be much more successful than the traditional "beta" male in relationships and life. However how does a beta/autist/low smv male go on this journey without the ever increasing self judgement? Is it worthwhile to be a fat slob who is complet…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 03:36 AM
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how can this be true when testosterone is directly linked to "masculine" behaviors? Do you know how you would feel if you injected TRT into your veins? the differences in your behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 02:37 AM
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hot!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 01:21 AM
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RP men cannot become alpha lol, that would require some sort of insane subconscious change most people are not capable of. They can become more attractive to women using RP techniques though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 07:57 PM
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I fully agree with you. When I said the SMP is favored towards women I meant that they control the sexual marketplace. Not that they unfairly are ruling over men with their vaginas
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 05:14 PM
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I think for rape of a man to be comparable to rape of a woman, it has to be a bigger, stronger, gay dude, pounding you in the ass. The type of rape discussed in that thread is probably not even close to the experience of a woman who experiences rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 05:12 PM
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dude you really read way too much into my post than what was there. I could care less about the vast majority of men not getting as much sex as women, or how "fair" it is. I am simply pointing out an obvious observation and seeing if blue pillers agree or disagree. This would let me know if arguing with you guys in the future would be a good idea or not. That was the extent of my rationale for even asking this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 05:02 PM
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I am fully aware that women for the most part don't give a shit about casual sex with randoms, that's something my mind was changed on after reading this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 04:56 PM
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I agree with this, just wanted to know where we stand on the reality, and it seems we are on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 04:55 PM
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When you just observe, without judgement, this shit is so obvious. It baffles me we even need to discuss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 04:10 AM
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Sure, but I'm interested in the differences in the genders. To me there is an obvious difference in how men and women choose their partners. Men will easily give up reputation or wealth in a partner if she makes up with looks, I don't think women make that same trade off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 03:18 AM
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Some combination of 2 variables, wealth and reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 03:16 AM
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I just don't see a natural alpha as someone who has good temperament, especially when it comes to anger. Maybe I'm wrong and you are right about that aspect not having anything to do with alpha/beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 01:40 AM
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If you were a woman, you wouldn't date an incel or some low tier man. You would try to get the best man you possibly could. Stop looking at life through the prism of sex and then complain, because you have no chance. Play a different game, one you can actually win.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 01:26 AM
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You are over complicating alpha beta, the alpha dude is simply a guy who is not afraid of confrontation, and relishes violence. 100% alpha guy is probably a gang leader who can kill at the snap of a finger, a UFC fighter or a boxer might be 70/30 (just generalizing). Self mastery, amused mastery, and whatever other type of mastery RP came up with have nothing to do with alpha or beta. The beta guy avoids confrontation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 12:07 AM
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clarified
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 10:59 PM
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I clarified that these aren't 100% alpha or beta dudes, those would be terribly unattractive to the vast majority of women, so I agree. These dudes are predominatly alpha or beta, so 70/30
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 10:56 PM
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That isn't alpha, that is just logical detachment. Alpha is rooted in violence, either direct or implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 10:55 PM
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Lol, I can imagine this, but there's got to be some level of cognitive dissonance there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 10:54 PM
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you're telling me a 10/10 fit, healthy, non criminal record, top 1% male is not great? The alpha and beta divisions aren't on the extremes, I clarified that they are predominantly alpha or beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 10:53 PM
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Society can limit violence with rules and culture, and an alpha can be relatively tamed but the implied threat of violence is always there. A beta dude has no threat, he can go to the gym and lift 500 pounds, but if he has a warm personality it doesn't matter. The threat or implied threat is a defining characteristic imo, and if it is tested by another male then it will lead to violence. But I see what you're saying, maybe I should have been clearer in alpha traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 09:58 PM
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How else can an alpha secure his position without direct confrontation? If another male disrespects a truly alpha character there is no "amused mastery", there is violence, or atleast a threat of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 09:28 PM
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To me an alpha is not a obama type figure, but rather the dominant force in the pack, which is usually backed by strength and threat of violence. A beta can play machiavellian games by being intelligent, but can never actually become alpha unless theres an epic change in environment where he is in confrontation sparta style non stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 09:17 PM
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If this is actually true, PPD is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 09:13 PM
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Isn't the ideal male for a woman a good looking alpha dude with resources/status?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 03:51 AM
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SMV inversely correlates with amount effort either needs to put in to get romantic partners. I guess online dating gives the good looking beta dude an edge in this era. Maybe pre online dating era would make this question more interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 03:51 AM
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In a perfect world, woman would find the chaddest of chads and men would have access to an endless supply of women. The problem is the amount of effort and the cost of going about this. Finding another alpha is not very easy, unless the woman you are speaking of is highly attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 10:18 PM
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Unforunately our basic drives and instincts are all short term oriented, so it is inevitable that red pill sexual strategy focuses on short term success.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 10:06 PM
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Yeah, it's hard to be precise on how men and women would behave if we removed all social conditioning. I think it's a safe assumption to make that male sexuality is far simpler than female sexuality. Porn has basically taught us men love novelty, coolidge effect or w/e. Female sexuality does not follow this trend, trp tries to answer what it is, but just overreaches in the characterizations of awalt as fixed character traits rather than physiological impulses.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 08:25 PM
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You're right about that, being a guy in 2017 is no easy task. No one is going to pity or help you though, because women won't understand our struggle same way we can't fully understand theirs. I pity the incel more in this society than I do the married man with a daughter who gets consistent sex and still complaining how he can't fuck young beautiful women. At that point, his complaints are equivalent to whining about getting up early for work. edit: not you specifically, I meant men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 08:12 PM
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When you wake up early in the morning to go to work you are not acting on the desire to sleep in. It's part of being an adult. If you act on every single desire you have you will be filled with regret, if you act purely through reason and ignore all desires you will... well idk you'd have to ask a monk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 07:52 PM
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I don't know how cavemen societies interacted, that is not my area of study nor do I particularly care. I know from the men's side of the equation that we have a drive to have sex with multiple women. In a hypothetical situation a man who can have nsa sex with one average looking woman 100 times or 100 average looking woman 1 time will most of the time choose the latter option. Male sexuality is simple. Female sexuality on the other hand is way more complicated. That is what TRP tries to explore…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 07:39 PM
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Yes, pity is appropriate. Mature adults are able to adequately control this conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 05:51 PM
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The question is more about her drive to be with the man on lizard brain level, if a former chadly man is no longer high status, out of shape, meek and submissive, then her initial drive should also be gone. She might be overriding that lack of desire for pragmatic reasons, however. Edit: I see what you are saying though, she can still have an emotional attachment to this former chad even though she doesn't have that initial flame.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 05:19 PM
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